lore-discussion

[restive river]

Sargus Ruk somehow survived to the new war

[lost crypt]

the only problem i have with that is the fact they're rotting clones that can't be replicated perfectly

[restive river]

I would take a short story even

[cunning ore]

So we have to fight like two times of Natah?

[restive river]

Clonerot ):

[stiff folio]

With the Grineer I just presume they get recloned.
With the Corpus it's just Frohd Bek who dies, and also the Sergeant is a generic anybody character

[pale cedar]

DE should just add Alad’s lore to PC

[cunning ore]

Mb, mistook with Ropalyst thing

[restive river]

We “fight” mom twice iirc
Drifter running around and end of New War kinda

[lost crypt]

alas,i must sleep

[stiff folio]

I think the story quests could do with being given UI that shows you the intended timeline. Like the incarnon buff menu you can see where each quest is supposed to be played in the order

[cunning ore]

Like we did it in normal chart then we did it again in Steel Path chart? I still confuse

[restive river]

The sergeant doesn’t come back, does he?

[stiff folio]

No, but they don't really have an identity either. They're just a sergeant, like the tons of capture targets we capture

[velvet ermine]

Does jade use her baby as a secondary aura slot

[stiff folio]

I'm not asking for a way to make replaying missions lore-friendly. More just saying that a lot of the quests have missing information from old operations that you can only access outside of the game now

[lost crypt]

also some context for some old events that were integral or referenced by those main quests

[restive river]

Both happen in the new war, one is drifter running from her the other when Ballas controls her

[restive river]

The replica we make has the baby technically iirc

[cunning ore]

So it in normal chart or steel path chart?

[restive river]

It’s
The New War quest

[cunning ore]

I thought you guys talking about lore with bosses and how they returned in Steel Path?

[stiff folio]

I don't consider Steel Path part of the story

[restive river]

They aren’t returning in steel path
That’s just gameplay lol

[cunning ore]

Wait so what was you guys discussing? I think i got a confusion

[restive river]

Most bosses we kill stay dead lore-wise

[stiff folio]

I'm talking about the quests. They have missing information and reference old game events that you can't play anymore. That should not be the case, and the old content should be turned into quests or codex entries ingame.

I'm also talking about how some bosses revive. E.G we kill Alad V like 4 times, the Grineer bosses die constantly but presumably get recloned

[cunning ore]

That remind me of Jordan

We did defeat him? I cannot remember

If we did or not? I mean kill him?

[restive river]

We need the nightwave stories too

Glassmaker’s investigation scenes were so good

We got to keep their boss fights at least

[stiff folio]

Alad V dies when we fight him with Zanuka, and because he doesn't have the infested scarring, that means it's prior to...
When we killed him because he became infested, but then he comes back for Jupiter and future quests too

I'm pretty sure Alad V also dies in New War lol

bro just can't stay dead

[restive river]

Alad’s an actual roach

[restive river]

Nope, got confirmed alive

Actual
Roach

[cunning ore]

I can only remember two times: One on a Corpus ship or sth and one at that infescted planet

[cunning ore]

Oh, yea bro made a deal or sth like that

[stiff folio]

We still haven't really gotten closure on the Kuva Fortress plotline either

[restive river]

No?

[cunning ore]

My big bro once said about the Amalga stuff between Alad V and Hunhow.

[restive river]

Worm queen is just doing her thing
Same as the Corpus Board
Parvos
And the infestation

[restive river]

That was Natah and we don’t know how he survived

All we got is a yes he’s alive

[cunning ore]

And yea, when we in Veso pov, Alad V also told us to disable what that auto thing to be spared

[cunning ore]

My big bro said it was Hunhow and Alad V's secret lab thing

So confuse lemme recheck it

[velvet ermine]

I hate the fact that I'm confused about hating orokins

[rancid tinsel]

uh, dont think Alad V's secret lab is THAT huge

[velvet ermine]

Because like orokin consciousness transfers between bodies so yeah

Ballas might be a gigachad or a twink looking dude before

[rancid tinsel]

that explains the leash

[cunning ore]

I didn't find out all so idk honestly

Wally really made sensitive with every "inhuman smile" in game

[humble sierra]

"Inhuman" in this instance is just a weird smile, it's Sentients, not Wally

[twin wigeon]

so i learned that parvos might have had a run in with Wally

[pale cedar]

Or he's just Schizophrenic

[cunning ore]

Yea i just said that Wally made me sentitive with every inhuman smile

[pale cedar]

Him speaking Voidtongue doesn't show much because he did assault the labs with a ton of it on the walls

[cunning ore]

That haunt me honestly

[pale cedar]

Wally trauma

[stiff folio]

I always figured Worm was gathering kuva to revive her sister somehow, I'm not sure if elder queen is dead or not.

As fascinating as it would be if elder was one of the seven who escaped, that'd require a kuria retcon

[cunning ore]

Sadly, Elder sis not as by it written by Kuria

[restive river]

Elder queen is very much so dead

[restive river]

It’s funnier that she’s a reject Orokin

[pale cedar]

The Queens were judged for existing in the first place and almost killed

[stiff folio]

All we saw was her get shot with void energy and then fall under the 'throne' whilst wailing, plus there's the alternate ending where nobody kills her, and she just gets left to rot

[restive river]

They abandoned them and they were the ones to survive and build a new empire of sorts

[stiff folio]

Given she's alive in one outcome I'd presume she'll come back in the future

[pale cedar]

The rot kills her

[stiff folio]

If it's implied and doesn't happen onscreen I remain skeptical

[restive river]

We kill her
Teshin kills her
Or she rots to death
Either way, don’t think what’s left can be saved

[pale cedar]

in all 3 she does die

[restive river]

By this point I don’t think there’s enough kuva that could revive her :p

Cause
Kuva doesn’t revive like that, it’s for continuity

[pale cedar]

She was dying for the entire quest due to an old Grineer body and we was her only chance at the time

[stiff folio]

I hope we get more expansion on what the worm queen is actually doing as a goal then, because ever since release it's just been gathering kuva, but it's not really clear -what for specifically-. Unless we infer it as her spamming liches. Or idk, maybe she really likes rolling her Kesheg riven

[pale cedar]

They did expand on it twice

[stiff folio]

She did handwaive "oh send a bunch of grineer to lua to get voruna" at best

Same with Zariman

[restive river]

Hypothetically if she had energized kuva and was at the circulus when it happened she could have been grafted on and revived but
She didnt have that and wasn’t there

[pale cedar]

Both Kuva Liches and Circulis are expansions on it

[stiff folio]

I suppose I just want another story-related quest with a bit of cinematic to bring her back into the story instead of being a background character

[restive river]

It might be a while tbh

[stiff folio]

Hopefully Tau kicks it out the park, and Jade Shadows too. Maybe next year

[restive river]

Presently we have the void war with no clear end in sight
And they just started the Tau arc which will we’ll get more on later this year

Also possible they’re setting up Parvos for something but he may be more so tied to Jade Shadows

[pale cedar]

I don't even think it's a Tau arc I think it's just more Void War arc

[restive river]

Constellations features specifically futuristic Corpus tech
So

[drowsy saddle]

Plot twist, elder queen returns...

but different

[restive river]

No
They have said it’s its own arc
And the longest yet

[stiff folio]

Elder Queen Mirage protoframe

[restive river]

How tho

[drowsy saddle]

Wall

[stiff folio]

Elder Queen but she's just a norg in a giant tank of kuva?

[restive river]

I need the roathe eternalism image but about protoframes

[pale cedar]

Eternalism
Trust

[restive river]

Ok but with eternalism tech likely being a thing soon-

[drowsy saddle]

How many buzzwords do we have for "y/how tho?" questions

[pale cedar]

You mean Roathe roasts?

[drowsy saddle]

You're telling me a Roathe roasted this coffee?

[restive river]

The void
Eternalism
The Orokin
The Infestation
Wally
Conceptual embodiment
Could use O.R.O. maybe but we need more on them

[stiff folio]

I despise multiverses and time travel in stories but at least Warframe manages to keep it kinda interesting imo

[pale cedar]

Roathe roasted a plant

[drowsy saddle]

Imo its because every other timeline merges with our own and is effectively a dead end

Its like a reverse river delta

[restive river]

They use it sparingly and smart
We have 3-4 cases of it iirc
Operator and Drifter
Possibly Revenant Prime
Baro and Scaro
Sirius and Orion

[pale cedar]

Eleanor also sees her nun self

[restive river]

I mean other timelines def still exist
Kaya mentions them
That’s how we have the constellations

[stiff folio]

I took the Baro one was him being temporarily possessed considering the lore in the past about crossplay with him being offered to consolidate all his beings into one

[restive river]

Oh yeah
5
And only 2 of them are actually big

[drowsy saddle]

Ain't the constellation timelines effectively doomed timelines?

[stiff folio]

I just really hope DE doesn't get into a habit of making constant dead-end timelines that branch off from the main one, and that they all stay relevant and impact the main universe

[fast dew]

Not a big fan of using eternalism like that either

[drowsy saddle]

Shi now i want a fgo crossover with warframe

[restive river]

So
I think it’s a Drifter situation since Baro couldn’t get back into realspace while Scaro was here, Scaro knew of Wally but more so in a fearful way and Baro much like Operator made a deal with Wally

[stiff folio]

Oh, was there a special inbox message or something? I wasn't here for Scaro

[fast dew]

Mhm

[restive river]

I don’t think we entirely know, just that at least one for certain isn’t our own

[restive river]

Scaro was not acting like he was Wally
He was def weird though

[topaz pawn]

I really wanna know how they got their hands on protoframe serums

[restive river]

It’s very possible that Wally’s deals always result in a split

[restive river]

My best guess atm is Parvos stole em and they stole em from him
Same with the tech

[fast dew]

I really really hope its just parvos stole them from Albrecht

[topaz pawn]

yeah

[fast dew]

I'll genuinely tweak out if they just make it so apparently Albrecht can jump timelines

[restive river]

Maybe no kim convos means no Albrecht

[topaz pawn]

idk what else they could do with it without it being weird and breaking the tension

[pale cedar]

Albrecht should've honestly made better security that just killed Parvos

[restive river]

He wrote a book about the polytemporal nexus

I doubt he didn’t look into that at all lol

[drowsy saddle]

Parvos opens the vault and gets a höllvanian subway train to the face

[fast dew]

I meant theres the theoretical and there's actually putting that thing into practice 😭

[restive river]

I’m not saying he for sure used it or even made a machine to access it, to be clear

[drowsy saddle]

Actually, Albrecht, just redirect all your train traps into the Granum Void

[restive river]

I’m on team Parvos did it

[drowsy saddle]

It'd be funny

[pale cedar]

Gets a Thermian RPG to the face

[fast dew]

Oh i should probably get the roathe getting hit by a train clip i have

[drowsy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-gun-jojos-josuke-meme-gif-18019715

[restive river]

I do think if Albrecht even thought for a second that accessing eternalism would help him he would at least try
But we ofc have nothing that points to that being the case

[fast dew]

Man what is Jojos even about/j

[restive river]

Gay men
You’d love it

[drowsy saddle]

Adopted brothers who's love language is extreme magic based violence and multi century blood feuds

There's also the side quest of a paraplegic on a horse attempting to stop the president of America from implementing the patriot act by riding across America

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[restive river]

Go watch it

Sevagoth will make more sense

[topaz pawn]

does it help if I say that the president is trying to do so by utilising the natural power of the corpse of Jesus Christ himself

[fast dew]

Good lord

[pale cedar]

I watched Jojo's first season but how they walked started annoying me

[topaz pawn]

lol

id say it gets better but they just get More flamboyant as the series goes on

[pale cedar]

I swear with how they walk anyone could just trip them over

[sleek charm]

Guys how do i sell a kuva lich cause i just spawned a kuva sobek 36% toxin

[pale cedar]

Crimson Branch

[drowsy saddle]

Gotta convert it first

[sleek charm]

Alr ty

[drowsy saddle]

Not sure if there's a market for 36% toxin sobeks...

Unless it's a funny name and/or ephemera

[fast dew]

Would there be for like. A 40 something% tonkor idk i hate liches

Oh. Electric
.shouldve. mentioned that

[drowsy saddle]

Fairly sure people only buy 60% rolls and/or funny names

[fast dew]

Throwing something

[opaque zenith]

Adding there ephemeras and, technically, bugged heads like the stalker's

[unique talon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/BxyppiT-f2M?si=REJ5C1fmBC6Oe4Zn how this explains the prime variant?

What was that thing about Warframes again? "No mind to think, no voice to scream and no will to follow"?

[lean garden]

orokin made angry kitties all the same

[pale cedar]

Warframes can still feel and have emotions

Warframes can still scream despite no voice

[unique talon]

I can only see exceptions being applied to it

[pale cedar]

Also wouldn't trust Pen of Evil just look at his channel he's got weird theorycrafting

[lean garden]

are you confusing Hollow Knight LMAO

"No cost too great. No mind to think. No will to break. No Voice to cry suffering"

[pale cedar]

This is the actual quote from Hunhow which he was ultimately wrong about

"No self, no sense, no death. Just a metal puppet, dangling on Tenno strings."

[unique talon]

The only exception as far as I can see is umbra

[pale cedar]

No

All Warframes are sentient

[lean garden]

or like all the protoframes, and stalker, and jade and dante and kullervo

[pale cedar]

The special thing about Umbra is that he has a burning memory meaning he doesn't lose the motivation

People think it's just an Umbra thing when it's more than that

[fast dew]

Not them having two different but almost identical quotes 😭

[turbid kestrel]

Because they were human beings once

[pale cedar]

Still are

Warframe legitimately hammers the point home that they're still human

[turbid kestrel]

Ok

[tall echo]

Well most frames we use no longer contain people

[turbid kestrel]

What do the smurfs and the orokin have in common: Blue

Blue man Group

Mr. Blue

[celest needle]

What happens to the guys that survive an attack by the Tenno?
besides the trauma

[turbid kestrel]

Amputee

[dusk temple]

If there isn’t a warframe there? They’re cooked to medium rare. If there is a warframe, who knows.

[rigid compass]

I have no mouth and I can scream

[rigid compass]

To my dissapointment there is no hunhow sticker or emoji

[celest needle]

Well you not all mission require murdering everything in sight

[pale cedar]

I'm surprised there isn't a GIF of the animation Hunhow yet

[rigid compass]

Dont forget about red veils "no cost too great no blood too precious"

[fast dew]

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[normal mountain]

<@&778745217037238293>

[fast dew]

Filthy bots

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-void-lugger-daklo-gif-4334627403413065645

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/doomguy-doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-gif-14901082521966246439

[fast dew]

Mm, devstream is on the 30th

Or. 29th probably

Timezones 💔

NO OH MY GOD WAIT

Either im super lucky or super unlucky

[pale cedar]

Just stop being Australian and become lucky

[celest needle]

I can’t wait to see their actual models in game

I pray their abilities are unique

[dark compass]

Exact same, but it's green and red

One does a lot of damage in an area, another makes an area that does a lot of damage

[turbid kestrel]

Who’s the void lugger?

[fast dew]

Ive deemed that i am both

I have to be awake at ridiculous hours two days in a row

But

Good thing is, devstream is not overlapping with slayer's club live the week devstream is on

Bad news is i have to be awake at 4am and 6am 😭

[twin wigeon]

Adis

[ocean geyser]

It was always interesting to hear because like
They can’t even lug void bro

Allergic

[pale cedar]

Dangerous game

[hexed oxide]

How do sirius and orion work ?

[twin wigeon]

Eternalism

both exist as alternate versions of the choice you made in Jade shadows

[hexed oxide]

I know, but how do they fight each other ? Thought they'd have a similar deal to drifter and operator

[twin wigeon]

as for how they exist at the same time we dont know yet

usually that shouldnt be possible since thatd be paradoxical as one only exists because the other didnt

usually the only time we both drifter and operator at the same time, its bc both were in places with high concentration of void energy

like the zariman or the sanctum anatomica

[dark compass]

something something

names are powerful, so powerful they punch each other in the face

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[turbid kestrel]

Must’ve been the wind

[twin wigeon]

so powerful that you deserve a disintegration beam to the face for giving one

[tall echo]

No that was for a different reason

[twin wigeon]

oh right she was beamed bc she looked soulless or smth

im larping

[fast dew]

So powerful your horse is intimidating

[lost crypt]

i have two questions
1: what exactly... are the eximi lorewise? and how do they come to be? the jade eximi are obvious enough; granum did some stuff with jade's motes to bring them to be,but then it becomes a question how the grineer got it. plus the techrot and scaldra (infestation not so much,all it has to do is just nom another)
and blitz/guardian eximi for the grineer/corpus can be easily explained as some form of tech...

and 2: are we still in 1999 when doing coda confrontations? or did the boyband come to the future?

[strange turtle]

For 2, they came to the future, yeah

For 1

“They’re built different”

Basically what you guessed

Equipment and maybe a bit of augmentation for Corpus/Grineer, Infestation being Infestation

[restive river]

The Coda take the long way round, tracking us via our void saturated DNA

They’re an example of the palimpsest
We make them in the past, beat them down and oop now they’re mad at us in the present

[strange turtle]

Until it gets acknowledged, we can assume that techrot and scaldra eximi + jade eximi being all over are just game play

[lost crypt]

proto-nova (i don't know her name right off hand) follows us into the future in the same way,doesn't she?

[twin wigeon]

Kaya and no, she actually time travels to the future bc of us (we motivate her)

[lost crypt]

but still using the same method,right?
i vividly recall her saying in one of her conversations that we were the anchor to allow her to do so

[strange turtle]

No

The coda didn’t actually time travel

They just had a long nap, and detected us in the future

[restive river]

No, she discovers how to time travel with our help

[strange turtle]

Kaya tracked the “void fingerprint” left by Drifter so she could set up a portal

[twin wigeon]

The coda basically sleep on a massive asteroid and wake up with a vengeance when we’re in the present

[restive river]

Coda take the LONG way
Kaya found her own way

[twin wigeon]

Just like Flare/Temple

[restive river]

Temple/Flare also take the long way in their good ending, but they show up for the naga drums not for hanging out with us

[twin wigeon]

Yeah :<

Too bad the proto serum didnt delay them that long

[lost crypt]

oh so the coda are literally
waiting it out
that's kind of hilarious actually

[celest needle]

Cetus citizens watching a stadium rise into space

[twin wigeon]

You hurt their feelings, now they hurt you

[restive river]

I dont think it’d last 10,000+ years nor would I want Flare to be conscious for that long lol

[restive river]

“Konzu. Get the popcorn.”

[lost crypt]

"by the unum what in the balls is that -"

[restive river]

“Wait this is kind of a jam-“

[twin wigeon]

Technically, the stadium is always there but not always inhabited

[restive river]

I do wonder if anyone else picks up on the signal they’re putting out lol

[restive river]

I still wanna know how it got up there

[lost crypt]

i want kaya to be able to curse again

[twin wigeon]

Asteroid from severe nuking

Like the earth got a small piece broken off is my theory

[lost crypt]

local corpus obelisk tech squinting their eyes at the screen as they suddenly get blasted with party of your lifetime at max volume -

[twin wigeon]

Pretty sure the techrot music has some kinda emp effect

That disables us from flying

[restive river]

Same!

[restive river]

We can fly just fine
It’s just annoying iirc

[twin wigeon]

Yeah I want Kaya, the basically teenager, to curse

[lost crypt]

"what the fu##? what kind of energy even is that?"

[restive river]

I’m unsure if a nuke would do that
It’d have to be like
Placed under it I’d assume lol

[lost crypt]

the line was removed for some reason

[restive river]

I have it saved as a soundboard :]

Important Kaya history

[twin wigeon]

I still love that Kaya spooked Albrecht

[restive river]

Maybe if they go ahead with the fissures in 1999 with Kaya leading it she’ll have a rare chance to say it again lol

[twin wigeon]

Yesssss

I need 1999 fissures

Maybe throw in murmur instead

[lost crypt]

wait that's also eternalism -
unless kaya's wrong -

[twin wigeon]

Of the normal corrupted

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1495851343544455459/togif.gif

[lost crypt]

blame kaya this time when you pop out of her
"Woooo, eternalism!"
"Love the theory - the reality is kind of messed up."

[twin wigeon]

I love Roathe (for his reactions)

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420749180674113577/1503883402871574712/image.gif

[restive river]

what is?

the possible 1999 fissures we could get wouldn't be due to eternalism, probably more so it'd be akin to temporal archimedia
aka
fixing the timeline, ensuring the loop is stable, etc etc

[twin wigeon]

New gif drop Ty PC-91

[restive river]

lol why is that a gif

[twin wigeon]

Bc it’s fun and yall complain that ppl can’t read

[restive river]

no I mean
is it animated?
or is it just a gif so it's on demand with discord's favoritinig feature lol

[twin wigeon]

it’s a gif file uploaded to discord so it classifies it as a gif that can be favorited

[restive river]

love it lol

[twin wigeon]

Thank you PC-91

[dire mountain]

New weaponized gif thank you

[twin wigeon]

And it’s general so I can use it in any server too

[celest needle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-writing--k01KQJ6J3MYR76W2HWDSQR9JCS5

[lost crypt]

blame kaya this time when you pop out of her
"Woooo, eternalism!"
"Love the theory - the reality is kind of messed up."
this

[humble sierra]

Two separate lines just an FYI

[celest needle]

Does the infestation ever need to breathe or eat?

Or does it just endlessly grow or reinforce until stopped

[vestal vine]

Is Kahl the most capable Greneer?

Or the others made at the same time are as capabale as him?

Cus the others who burned up after are a little bit more stupid

[lost crypt]

separate lines,but for the exact same action

[fast dew]

Kahl.. mm. Only reason he's alive is cuz he's with the Tenno. Vor or Tyl are more capable overall

[humble sierra]

Kahl is also technically 'defective' since he was able to ignore his loyalty to the queens

[fast dew]

Mhm

What measure of capable do we use lol

[vestal vine]

How useful is in combat

Or "strong"

[loud oriole]

Clem is pretty capable unless there is one extra grineer trying to kill him

[fast dew]

Oh

Yeah no unfortunately Kahl sucks compared to the others

[vestal vine]

He's always level 15 😭

[vestal vine]

So the concients are weak against the grineer or something?

Cus in the veil quest he with some of them defeated a lot of enemies

[fast dew]

The sentients? I mean. No not particularly but if we're comparing combat abilities, once again, someone like Vor or Tyl Regor have far more capabilities

[vestal vine]

Of course

[fast dew]

• after all the nerfs the sentients have had its not surprising they go down easy

[vestal vine]

They defeated Army's of Prime Warframes

Should've been the biggest nerf in the system lol

[fast dew]

Mhm, alas. They kinda suck now

[vestal vine]

It explains a lot

Whats the most and the least competent faction in Warframe?

Nowadays Tenno is the strongest I suppose

[fast dew]

Mm, least competent is. Probably the orokin neural sentry

[vestal vine]

Crazy

[humble sierra]

Even the ventkids have done more than the Neural Sentry

[vestal vine]

To be fair, the sentients did a lot of damage to the system overall

I just wonder

How could be a interaction between Kahl and Glem

[loud oriole]

Kahl: -fluent english-
Clem: Clem

[restive river]

Glem

[fast dew]

Clem

[cosmic badge]

Clem

[marble timber]

Clem

[rose estuary]

Clem Prime

[loud oriole]

Clem Deluxe

[stiff fable]

Clem Heirloom

[lost crypt]

clem vandal

[high bay]

Who mogs harder, Clem or Kahl?

[spice wedge]

[pallid spoke]

Not exactly fluent English but...

Kahl does seem to be smarter than the average Grineer though despite the broken English.

[dire mountain]

Kahl

[dire mountain]

True

[celest needle]

everyone loves Kahl

[pearl axle]

I mean don't a lot of grineer have a speech impediment

Clem only says Clem after all

[pallid spoke]

Most do yes.

[languid parcel]

grakata

[lost crypt]

i'd say so on part of the fact they're... actively rotting or otherwise screwed up
except tyl - tyl seems like he can talk no problem

[pallid spoke]

Vor and Kela also speak normally.

[languid parcel]

can't stop Vor from talking
maybe there's a voicebox in the Janus Key?

[lost crypt]

to be fair he also seems to strain a little bit. not much,but just a little

[torn wave]

Question for anyone that has had a better look, does anyone have a better look at tickers eyes, like a possible close up?

[torn wave]

Ty

[pearl axle]

what....what do you need this for

[fast dew]

Awh her nose is so nice ticker my love

[pearl axle]

I'll never forget the time I got to 5 fortuna favor and got jumpscared by heads

[zenith quail]

Alright, I'm caught up with the main story. Let's see if I got this straight. The Drifter is still in 1999 and doesn't plan to leave because they see the Hex as family. 1999 keeps looping to prevent the Indifference from messing with it. At the same time the Drifter is also in the present, because you can talk to the Hex about the church trio. The Operator is also out of commission, being busy with constantly revisiting their memories of Tau, so the Drifter is currently everywhere.

[stiff fable]

Drifter casually goes back and forth between the Origin System and 1999

Basically the Operator and Drifter are doing whatever you're doing. If you're doing Duviri missions Drifter is in Duviri, if you're doing Descendia that's where Drifter is.

[narrow pendant]

i remembered a weird detail in a dream i had
baro was selling operator headphones for 15 omni forma 😭

[strange plinth]

were they at least good headphones

[celest needle]

The Drifter's talking to their friends KIM while the Operator is doing a hour long Void Cascade

[narrow pendant]

pretty good looking

but absolutely abhorrent pricing if you were to buy it with omni packs

750

[celest needle]

ultimate drip flex

[narrow pendant]

speaking of baro, they should add honorias to his shop

especially nabarus baro

[celest needle]

varzia too

[narrow pendant]

and they gotta add more that are tied to owning a prime frame

waverider for yareli being an obvious one

[celest needle]

saint of altra 🗣️

[restive river]

You get the prime frame titles from owning the prime

[narrow pendant]

something something scoria for ash

[narrow pendant]

i got that one after like 3h of mining for it specifically and the next day they dropped the guilty with the absolute peak title savior of perita 😭

sorry saint of altra..

[celest needle]

But GAUSS?

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-gauss-prime-gauss-prime-gif-2755582297218315057

He has so much personality
I love him to death

[narrow pendant]

was a main until koumei..

[celest needle]

side note
WHAT?

[narrow pendant]

im guessing warframe website has it embedded

or those discord point quests

did anyone else not get the 50 nightwave cred for already owning the naimore armor

made a report for it

[strange turtle]

Excalibur Prime

[blissful merlin]

Lmao that reminded me of this: https://fxtwitter.com/Hjemdg/status/2052168684173427034

Karo♦ (@Hjemdg)

↩ (@Hjemdg)
for context:

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FxTwitter · May 6, 2026, 11:28 PM

[gritty dew]

how does The Devil's Triad further the plot?

[celest needle]

They made a sequel
https://fxtwitter.com/Hjemdg/status/2052167525756969135

Karo♦ (@Hjemdg)

Jackpooooot #warframefanart

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FxTwitter · May 6, 2026, 11:24 PM

[glacial bough]

It furthers Albrecht's character and sets up the question of redemption for monsters

[blissful merlin]

Yea I know haha. That’s what I was linking the tweet from. The “context” was for this post.

[gritty dew]

elaborate?

[narrow pendant]

"can the orokin ever be forgiven"

in the reveal trailer

my guess is he believes undoing or fixing the many wrongs of the orokin can weaken or pacify wally

so im guessing we will somehow make peace with present day tau sentient

[glacial bough]

I'd say the question would be more about himself than the rest of the Orokin

[narrow pendant]

its roathe mostly i believe

devil of tau and all that

[strange plinth]

roathe is the test
if roathe can be forgiven/redeemed, so can albrecht

[narrow pendant]

true

[gritty dew]

out of all the orokin, why roathe? is it because he was transformed into a warframe?

[strange turtle]

It expands upon the idea Arthur mentions of there potentially being more of Albrecht’s protos throughout history, Albrecht becoming more open about the transformation, and further develops Albrecht’s journey seeking redemption, with him contemplating spirituality and religion and actually giving another (Roathe) the chance

[strange plinth]

albrecht gave him the helminth serum, that was part of the whole 'he abducted me and took my memories' thing that roathe is always complaining about

[strange turtle]

Roathe because he was in a bad place at the time and Albrecht could give him an out, and potentially because he somehow knew about his good intentions (emphasis on intentions)

[gritty dew]

interesting, i like know nothing about the triad lol

wait is Roathe pulling a -- sorry for the terrible comparison-- Jax from TADC in the similarity that he's scared of showing his true self to other people

[strange plinth]

more part of the trope than anything, but sorta

[gritty dew]

that's the word i was looking for, trope

ROATHE IS A TSUNDERE

[celest needle]

My brother/sister/fellow in Profit he ruined the Hex, Flare, Kaya and Velmir & Minerva’s lives 😭

And lied too

And shot us

[glacial bough]

Not really?

Ruind lives to say. The Roundtable all volunteered or would otherwise die

[spice wedge]

👀 so roathe waits until Albrecht appears.

[celest needle]

True…

Although I don't know if Lizzie was a good fate?

[strange plinth]

i mean, the roundtable knew some of what they were getting into
the hex had a rough time with their transformations, but most of them are more ok with it than not
lied? yeah
shot us? yeah

[gritty dew]

anyone else get a certain itch-itched when albrecht talks? just the way he speaks is so interesting to me

[glacial bough]

Flare is the closest, but Lizzie wasn't part of being proto-ed and they has other trauma to work throught than that

[celest needle]

*they

[dire mountain]

Yeah I love his voice

[gritty dew]

one thing i love is how he goes ten-no

[dark compass]

I'm fairly sure the voice actor does audiobooks

[strange plinth]

still wonder why he said it like that

[celest needle]

Although for the Hex specifically they did get trapped by Albrecht in his scheme and didn't even ask

Amir was just working at the power plant

[gritty dew]

i heard one theory somewhere the reason he speaks the way he does is because of his encounter with wally all that time ago messing with his mind

[strange plinth]

it isn't like the "albrecht" in the arg that stretched out "congratulations" a ton and messed up "your species",
that one's just regular albrecht. why'd he do that.

[dire mountain]

He likes to be esoteric

[gritty dew]

i like this

[humble sierra]

Tbf Albrecht had no hand in Lizzie, Flare created her themself

[celest needle]

Well I mean he should've considered the possibility of unintended effects besides just injecting helminth

[humble sierra]

Yeah kinda crazy he basically used a completely untested Helminth strain

Was it even labeled? What if he just created a Protoframe that had the power to make a really big sign in the Void that says "Missing Finger Here"

[celest needle]

Well it's like
Worse since you inject them with the technology aligned strain
Next to a lot of tech

And electricity

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210073264928456764/1470484544539852861/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_1.gif

[umbral magnet]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Rude_Zuud

[dire mountain]

Btw where did people get the misconception that people couldn't see the Void if they didnt have prior exposure to it a few years ago now

[pale cedar]

I think it's them taking the word Void too literally

They ignored the whole studied from afar

Oh, and this post has them thinking because it's called “Starless” apparently so it must be black due to that

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1hlq2c3/what_does_the_void_look_like/

[narrow pendant]

he implies using excal prime wont let you get the Arthur accolade from the Apex tank

silly DE

[pale cedar]

Prime probably can be used

[raw shoal]

i wonder if the game ever tells us who's the villain behind the necramech trying to sabotage the heart in deimos

[pale cedar]

Grandmother

[fast dew]

Stefan does do audiobooks yes

So does Loid's VA

[fast dew]

Sounded fun idk

Does he say it again like that?

[pale cedar]

It's Wally being Wally

[fast dew]

I don't think he does

[fast dew]

Not wally this time, its Albrecht

"Tennnn-oh." very fun pronunciation but like what Albrecht

[pale cedar]

Which one does he say it like that?

[humble sierra]

Has Wally ever referred to us as Tenno?

[strange turtle]

Which is the VA that uses the same voices?

[fast dew]

Both actually, Loid's not as much but you can definitely hear loid occasionally

[fast dew]

Mm, either in the hex or. Whispers where he's getting us to do the gargoyle. "Arthur? Mm. Tenno." Yaps, then goes "Tennnn-oh. i require your trust." Or whatever the hell he says

[pale cedar]

“Arthur? Tenno? Forgive me. I need Loid to understand why I had to leave. Without him. Why I forced him to destroy the device after I had gone. And why I could never say the words he so needed to hear.”

Tenno - I require your trust. Craft the little curio whose blueprints you will find in the computer's memory. Complete the Kalymos Sequence. Repair. Rebuild. When the time is right, find me."

Think he says it weirdly because he's old or because Wally gave him damage to his vocal cords

[fluid charm]

Hi everyone I am looking friends

[ocean geyser]

Welcome to lore chat mate

[fast dew]

Mm, to be totally fair on Albrecht's part, I drag out names as well

[restive river]

Only Kiddo and Mara Lohk afaik

[humble sierra]

And I guess "The Wee Child"

[fast dew]

So thats how we know its Albrecht

Cuz. He calls us tenno

[ocean geyser]

Mildly goofy how Wally makes fun of how he talks though
By dragging words out even more

[fast dew]

Hes so petty lmao

[ocean geyser]

Largest troll in the known universe I think

Mf showed up as a man in the wall because people (and the Lotus) didn’t believe he existed

[fast dew]

The way I'd genuinely just punch wally lwky

He aint gonna do shit if i hit him

[ocean geyser]

Thomas piloting a Vessel real

[fast dew]

What's he gonna do? Spook me?

Wooo so scary wally

[ocean geyser]

Lmfao

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-gif-25538262

[ocean geyser]

But honestly yeah
In true Wally fashion he’ll probably just have a tantrum about you not being scared

[fast dew]

"Waa why aren't you scared waaa" walgreens if im totally honest with you, my father is scarier than you

[spice wedge]

Once wally caught Albrecht disguise, no wonder he will go in other spaces

[rigid compass]

🥶

lowkey albrecht a bum

couldve just hit wally smh

[rigid compass]

are we making stuff up now? since when has wally ever acted like that?

[rigid compass]

walgreens if im honest with you he would turn u inside out and make u go insane vrotato. u are not gonna be not scared of him

https://giphy.com/gifs/son-im-crine-aaFz1Arg0h5cOwAu2w

[pale cedar]

He acted like that in Old Peace

[rigid compass]

he was in old peace 😭

[pale cedar]

Murmur legit crashed out

[rigid compass]

lowkey link dat in a playthrough

lemme see

[pale cedar]

Plus when Albrecht left Origin they crashed out

[rigid compass]

by crash out do u mean when the murmur increased in activity?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[rigid compass]

lol

not really a crash out but okay

[pale cedar]

It's a non human crashout

[rigid compass]

alright vrotato

[rigid compass]

Stand ready for my spam

[restive river]

It has been confirmed that Sirius and Orion’s situation is similar to Drifter and Operator’s by Rebb

[rigid compass]

um what

[restive river]

In terms of how they exist at the same time in spacetime

[fast dew]

HAS IT

[rigid compass]

u mean they dont?

[pale cedar]

The universe is gonna get them

[fast dew]

I PASSED OUT DURING DEVSTREAM AND THATS WHAT I MISS

Shorts.

[rigid compass]

theres a devstream rn?

[fast dew]

Devshorts.

Its late.

[restive river]

Not devshort, no

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-gif-22734101

[pale cedar]

Where does she say it?

Interview?

[restive river]

I don’t think I can send the link but it was a bilibili video/stream

[fast dew]

Find a way to download the clip maybe?

[restive river]

Wait
I clipped it
Please hold

[fast dew]

Please hold as if we're on the phone 😭 /lh

[pale cedar]

What is a billie Billie it honestly sounds like a meme of silly

[fast dew]

From memory its kinda like Chinese YouTube?

[rigid compass]

tiktok 😔

[pale cedar]

Damn China be afraid of being normal

[rigid compass]

someone would make an arguement that they are the majority and thus normal lol

[fast dew]

True

[restive river]

Take what Rebb says with a grain of salt
She isn’t the writer
It’s not literal lol

She’s the creative director not the head writer

[celest needle]

Bilibili is like
Insanity

[fast dew]

The word reminds me of the animal, a Bilby

[pale cedar]

Is it worse than Tiktok

[fast dew]

Hey i see some neat things on tiktok

[restive river]

All I know is I couldn’t fullscreen or access the player and I can’t read anything lol

[celest needle]

I got bombarded by several AI drama videos and movie recaps

[pale cedar]

There's small things that are neat

Then there's the majority loretuners that are just spreading misinfo

[restive river]

They told this cute story about a tenno who was told they could do iron man fashion by a vet and tried, couldn’t but stuck with the game
Years later they discovered voidshells and achieved their goal, went to find their friend but they had stopped playing for over a thousand days
So they messaged them elsewhere and they just started talking about it and being buds again!
adorable

[pale cedar]

How does a Voidshell create Ironman?

[restive river]

Voidshell for drifter ig

Voidshells are more customizable so
You can do a lot more

It might be the patterns align just well enough or the light do or something idk
It’s not like they showed it lol

[fast dew]

AWHH

[restive river]

Point is they were able to do the fashion they were told they could do but couldn’t do for years and in doing so sparked their friendship again :]

[dark compass]

What's the lore reason for the entirety of Kahl's armor having voidshell properties

What is he hiding

[fast dew]

True. I do my part to help though, other times people are just

[pale cedar]

They should go to Tennocon with the Voidshell Ironman cosplay

[fast dew]

Dense.

[restive river]

Due to his proximity to us his fashion capabilities have shot through the roof to the point that even the void has responded
Like the tunnel of love
This is totally canon /j

[pale cedar]

Voidshell is really the Void being kind after years

[fast dew]

I will never understand how people think grandmother is Mother's mother

[pale cedar]

Headcanoning it anyway

[restive river]

Idk the tunnel of love was kind

[dark compass]

On the surface it makes sense

I mean you just see a mother, you see a grandmother

[restive river]

Lack of reading comprehension

[fast dew]

But does grandmother not mention having a son? 😭 i swore she did

[dark compass]

Yes but "sorry I don't listen to all that"

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1420749180674113577/1503883402871574712/image.gif

[pale cedar]

Warframe players just skip dialogue and cutscenes

[restive river]

First thing she ever says btw

Grandmother: "They're an insufferable lot, aren't they? My son, Father, blustery and spineless, all at once. His absentee wife, Mother, who can't see past what she's lost… to see what she has. And who can blame the children? Daughter, trying to convince herself she's so different. It only makes her more the same. And the boy, poor Son, he mistakes kindness for mediocrity. Who's he competing with, other than himself? But, in a crisis, they can come together."

[restive river]

I tried posting it from my favorites but it didn’t go through ):

[fast dew]

Daughter's whole "freaking orokin bullshit" statement is funny considering, even to another orokin, Daughter is just

More of the same

[restive river]

“I’m not like other girls” aah

[fast dew]

Like girl you're not as different from the others as you see yourself as. Not so different from Albrecht, despite her saying that she's not like him

Girl you want to eat Fibonacci sit down

[dark compass]

But can others cut fish as well as her

[fast dew]

Genuinely the most different one from Albrecht is. Probably father 😭

Grandmother is just as manipulative as he is, mother is just as unstable, Son is still the failed scientist and poet, and daughter is the raging hypocrite. Father is

Idk what he does

Hes just kinda there

He got the whelp part of the entrati family

[pale cedar]

Warframe players probably read between the lines rather than taking this at face value

[dark compass]

He's just having fun with his weapons

Vibing with Snake

[stiff fable]

Father gets himself in trouble with everyone else through not saying how he really feels

[fast dew]

That goes for everyone tbf

[dark compass]

Including you, the reader

[fast dew]

Yeah we suck at our emotions too

[dark compass]

[pale cedar]

Emotions?

Aren't emotions just playing cards?

[fast dew]

Nemesis that may be the autism

[ocean geyser]

Isleweaver
That whole thing was just him being spiteful about 1999
He doesn’t throw conventional tantrums but they’re tantrums nonetheless

[fast dew]

Wally absolutely throws tantrums and crashes out lmao

He does that a lot, thats like

A whole thing he does

[dark compass]

True...

[ocean geyser]

Due started getting pressed when Albrecht went “haha i know your weakness” mid interrogation

[pale cedar]

When it comes to Albrecht Wally stops being indifferent

[fast dew]

He never is really indifferent

[ocean geyser]

He’s indifferent until things don’t go his way

[pale cedar]

To anything else though he honestly doesn't care

[ocean geyser]

And then he gets angy

[fast dew]

The only indifference he shows is how his actions affect others. Which is separate to what Albrecht does

Albrecht is. Pragmatic. He feels those feelings, but needs to put them aside

Indifference is the lack of those feelings

[celest needle]

Holy shit it's Atlas

[pale cedar]

Indifference doesn't actually mean you don't care about anything as I can be indifferent to your feelings but not indifferent to the feelings of someone I'm close to

[rigid compass]

lowkey albrecht just got wallys name wrong and he got mad

like we gonna trust the guy who doesnt understand wally

hows albrecht know hes indifferent

wally just a tsundere for albrecht

[pale cedar]

How can you get the name wrong of something that bares no name?

[rigid compass]

by giving it a name

it has no name

[pale cedar]

Wally has never been given a name

[rigid compass]

basically if i have no name u cant call me a name

else u've given me a name

[pale cedar]

He's given titles rather than names

[rigid compass]

the indifference is not a title

man in the wall sure

but we aint calling the indifference a title

[fast dew]

The indifference is a title what

[rigid compass]

maybe if it was The Indifferent

[pale cedar]

It is a title due to the fact that he was indifferent

[fast dew]

Its not a name, it's the short title of the great indifference, which isnt even really wally himself

[rigid compass]

brace urself thomas

...

Titleslop

jokes aside its more a name than a title. can u even really have a title without a name?

[fast dew]

There's.

The great indifference, which is. The whole taking over the labs part. The sand and dust and rock, thats the great indifference, which is apart of wally

And there's the entity that causes the great indifference, The Man in The Wall

[pale cedar]

DE create new titles for Wally which are just what other people see Wally as and describe Wally as

[rigid compass]

ive been told thats the murmur and that the indifference is wally

[fast dew]

Have you ever called some Mister? That's a title without a name

Or. Any number of characters in fiction just called. "The knight"?

Sir, Mister, Ma'am, Miss/Ms/Mrs

[rigid compass]

titleslop 😔

[pale cedar]

DE have been very careful to not give Wally an actual name

[fast dew]

Honorifics are generally usable titles without names

[rigid compass]

what is a name, but a title without meaning

https://giphy.com/gifs/pensando-ragebait-macaco-rieB6hYg1l15KrJJnk

[fast dew]

Names have power, perhaps thats why Albrecht seems so avoidant on saying Wally's titles in the hex

[rigid compass]

but titles arent names according to u

got ya lol

[fast dew]

Yeah

Which he doesnt do

What even is that supposed to mean

[pale cedar]

Giving Wally the “That which bears no name” title basically forced DE to not give Wally a name

[fast dew]

Titles aren't names, thats

[rigid compass]

he wouldnt need to avoid saying them if titles =/ names

[fast dew]

Just basic english

That doesn't mean they don't cause Albrecht fear

[rigid compass]

albrecht big brained so much he forgot what names are

[fast dew]

Good lord

[rigid compass]

maybe use ur basic english on this sentence to make it readable

[fast dew]

Albrecht just doesn't speak of wally in a direct sense in the first place, not in recent times

[pale cedar]

“You know of who I speak”

[fast dew]

That is entirely readable if you used something called context.

[rigid compass]

if names have power in warframe, titles should be no different

[fast dew]

Which

[rigid compass]

thus names = titles

[fast dew]

Is true??

But. Names aren't titles

They can have the same power and not be the same thing

[pale cedar]

Game never said titles = power

[rigid compass]

i mean u could at least understand what i say then

[fast dew]

That. Ironically, doesn't make sense.

[rigid compass]

so albrecht isnt saying man in the wall or indifference not to avoid consequences but so he can be tall, nonchalant, and mysterious

[fast dew]

Good lord

[rigid compass]

good lord

[fast dew]

You are making this chat genuinely insufferable to be in.

[rigid compass]

but "man in the wall" is a name

like do u not know how naming and language works?

[pale cedar]

It's describing features not naming him

[rigid compass]

can be both

[pale cedar]

It's a title

Based on a state

[rigid compass]

its a name

[rigid compass]

yall remember the 51st state "man in the wall" 😔

we got "man in the wall" before puerto rico

[pale cedar]

We got Man in the Wall before GTA 6

[rigid compass]

soon we might have gta 6 before tau

[pale cedar]

If it isn't delayed a 3rd time

[restive river]

Tau is likely december
When is gta 6

[opaque zenith]

Aaaaannndd it got delayed because you mentioned it

[rigid compass]

i love argueing with yall about non warframe related things where u can't site random grineer #237292832 's diary for why im wrong

[restive river]

It started as a way to describe him and that still applies but it can also be used as a name as it’s how we refer to him
It is primarily a descriptor

But also Wally has many names

[rigid compass]

supposedly the 26th

[restive river]

Good
Gta 6

[rigid compass]

i think. i dont care about it so i dont follow it

[pale cedar]

November 26th

[rigid compass]

When hantavirus lowkey about to delay GTA 6 so yall steal a jet from area 51 and slime out those cruise ships before they dock.

[pale cedar]

Someone call Techrot to invade Rockstar

[restive river]

I’d argue that none of Wally’s “names” are really uh. Names?
Closest would be Neci but that’s an identity he’s taken

[fast dew]

Mm, Albrecht hasn't actually called wally anything outside a description, has he? The Lidless Eye and The Adversary. Both serve as. Descriptions imo.

[restive river]

The Indifference

I have em all here one sec lol

[fast dew]

Albrecht hasn't called wally that though, has he?

[opaque zenith]

Not gta with techrot DLSS

[fast dew]

Just

Vaguely stepping around a name

[rigid compass]

when the techrot lowkey tired of waiting so they program the game themselves at the speed of light by fusing with the servers and launch it a day later but they accidentally added serverblight from tf2 so then half a billion bums get slimed out

[pale cedar]

Which is the argument

Just because a person sees it as a name doesn't make it an actual name as Wally is directly called “That which bares no name”

[rigid compass]

proceeds to name it*

[pale cedar]

This is how Wally blocks you

[fast dew]

An example i have is.

The doom slayer thats not his name, its a title, but its still used in place of one
-# had to bring doom up somehow

[restive river]

The Indifference
The Lidless Eye
The Voices
Possibly The Wall’s Other Face
The Other
Possibly The Daemon of the Void
HIM
The Adversary
That Which Bears No Name
The Wall of Bones
Xipe Totec
The Smiling One
The Glory (what it calls itself)
And ofc Wally

[rigid compass]

all roads lead to doom

[restive river]

All of these more so describe or compare Wally to something, the closest one to a name would be The Glory as he refers to himself as that but
That’s kinda it

[fast dew]

Yeah there's a lot of example of titles being used as a name in doom, i can list most of them from memory

[rigid compass]

bros HIM we are so cooked

[pale cedar]

Where does Wally say the Glory?

[fast dew]

Isleweaver

[restive river]

Every “name” we have is more so a title, descriptor or comparison
None of them are a “name” in a traditional sense and only one afaik is actually used by Wally themselves

[restive river]

That one is Sythel btw

[rigid compass]

what makes a name then? what if i say worm is my title do i have no name now?

[restive river]

Worm is technically your username or nickname

All a name really is is a word that one identifies with as themselves that others can use to refer to them as well

[pale cedar]

Worm describes a species not a name

[rigid compass]

kinda like how in language theres people who say u cant say "Me and my friends" and u have to say "my friends and I". however anyone with any braincells know thats not how language works and that language is what we want it to be.

[rigid compass]

if wally ever refers to himself as something then thats his name

[restive river]

The closest we get to that is The Glory
But all of these other “names” only apply to the referential part on our half
He bears no name because we don’t even know if he has one

[rigid compass]

also u can give names to other people even without them accepting it

[restive river]

The Glory is the closest and he clearly likes the title of Man in the Wall as he manifests such a form during the New War

[fast dew]

-# Doomguy/Great Slayer/Doom Slayer/Slayer/The Beast/The unchained praedator, The Seraphim/The Lucent Defiler/Ancient god/The Heavenly Betrayer, The Betrayer, The Wretch, Dark lord 1, 2 , 3 and 4/The Dark Lord [og], Prince of Darkness-

[pale cedar]

I’m Nemesis so my name is both a name and a title

[rigid compass]

ye im sure albrecht said he bears no name cause he doesnt know it. i dont say a stranger i met on my walk to school bears no name cause i dont know it

[fast dew]

I mean

[restive river]

I mean it’s also very possible he doesn’t have a name
Like
Properly

[pale cedar]

You can’t know something that doesn’t exist

[rigid compass]

wally's just in our heads 😭

[restive river]

Yes you can call someone a name but that isn’t their name, that’s just what you’ve decided to call them

[restive river]

The Voices

[rigid compass]

https://giphy.com/gifs/action-figures-variant-t13-tTfJONsn0yUur1yvRs

[rigid compass]

it is if i say it is. u gotta have that european colonizer mindset

[restive river]

Oh I forgot a title!
The Menace of the Void

[fast dew]

Thats the new one, from Thrax aint it

[rigid compass]

i got a class now but ill be back in an hour to argue with yall

[pale cedar]

Thrax calls him Void God

[restive river]

Bro thinks he’s an Orokin

[fast dew]

Ew thrax cmon

[rigid compass]

MURICA

[fast dew]

Eh hes a kid he won't know any better

[restive river]

Explains where Drifter got it from lol

[rigid compass]

hes a king he knows more than u duh

[fast dew]

Worse case scenario they both got it from Albrecht

[restive river]

I really doubt he’d call him a god

[fast dew]

The king who is incapable of seeing in a island he should have full control over

[restive river]

I do think Albrecht considered it but likely said
Nah

[fast dew]

Albrecht mightve spoken of wally in a way that thrax took as godliness

[restive river]

Notably The Glory is also just a name he uses for
His fanfic

It’s the equivalent to a kid wishing they had a much cooler name or an epic title

[fast dew]

I know fanfic authors with weirder user names

[restive river]

Well this is a self insert

Ofc Wally’s first fanfic is a self insert

[fast dew]

Oh thats why I hate isleweaver

That and first person fanfics, I cannot stand them 😭

Nothing against the author just

Who's this woefully out of place dude

And first person fanfics are just.

No thanks

I don't wanna be the character I wanna watch

[restive river]

Isleweaver’s cool cause finally more Duviri and also really funny cause bro just made a fanfic lol

The fanfic is basically just Wally takes the throne and ruled over Duviri rather than Thrax iirc

[fast dew]

Oh God its a insert reader fanfic too 😭

[celest needle]

“Look Neci, it's really cool and sick as hell. I take over Duviri, kill your adoptive-parents and Loid, and I get to summon two fragmented ones! It's so cool.”

[restive river]

Adoptive parents
Not step parents lol

[celest needle]

Terminology learned

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-writing--k01KQJ6J3MYR76W2HWDSQR9JCS5

[noble oyster]

so rq, what the hell is Neci's deal?

is she just an outlet for Wally now? when we talk to her in Duviri it almost sounds like shes still her, but she knows things and says things only Wally says

[stiff fable]

Little of column A, little of column B

[strange turtle]

She got possessed by Wally

[noble oyster]

..so what was the pitch like to her?

[stiff fable]

Living

She was dying of techrot in her lungs and so was smoking effervon to kill it

Which was also killing her

[restive river]

Wally hollowed her out mostly, pieces of her remain

[noble oyster]

i imagine he slid her like, 20k hollars and said "it'd be funny"

also, random thing im personally curiosu about, whens the first time we hear or meet Wally?

[strange turtle]

Chains of Harrow

[stiff fable]

War Within

[noble oyster]

i figured as much

[stiff fable]

or the Zariman if you want the timeline answer

But yeah the spooky voice that talks to you at the end of War Within is Wally introducing himself

[noble oyster]

"XATA VOME LOHK, RISS VOME"
translation:

[restive river]

From the player perspective we heard him in War Within and got the name drop in Chains

[noble oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/my-dog-gif-12440401012832139335

[strange turtle]

He makes a little cameo at the end of War Within, (+ IIRC the voices that ended up being him gets mentioned at some point between Second Dream and the Prologues), and then we get a proper appearance with Chains

[restive river]

Truth order void, light order (it’s Ris not Riss)

[noble oyster]

...i wanna punch you for being able to translate that

[celest needle]

“There is no man in the wall,”

[celest needle]

Albrecht has all of the definitions in his basement 😭

[restive river]

You gave the literal easiest possible voidtongue to translate dude lol

[noble oyster]

ITS THE ONLY DAMN VOIDTONGUE I KNOW 😭

[restive river]

We have a shocking amount
But I only know the requiems

And that Ka is a prefix that makes it the opposite iirc
So KaRis is dark

[fast dew]

I know Yara Jeliira by heart

[noble oyster]

also, i really wanna see if i cant figure out how to make an avi of my Wisp drip (a vrchat avatar, i mean lmao)

[woven coyote]

We actually have a few fragments of how wally tempted her

[strange turtle]

There’s the Requiems that revealed a few translations, then music lyrics with translations and IIRC we learned a couple a third way?

[restive river]

Goodluck, I’ve heard it’s hard to do that

[woven coyote]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Fragments/Isleweaver#Along_Came_A_Spider

[celest needle]

How does Wally screw with us in ||The Old Peace|| again?

One of the tracks has void tongue and he’s laughing at our ass throughout

[fast dew]

Mm. The Executor track has it.

[noble oyster]

avatar work itself i know, getting the files i do not

[restive river]

Why does he keep trying to appeal to or just straight up invading childhoods

[noble oyster]

the bit

[restive river]

Yeah I meant the file part lol

[fast dew]

Cuz hes a predator
-# non-sexual
Genuinely cannot understand wally defenders

[restive river]

The bit being basically being a predator?

[noble oyster]

nah, he just likes messin with people

[fast dew]

No no

[restive river]

He just a baby who no know nothin
Got a lil paper cut wah wah

[fast dew]

He's just a predator

He. Uses predatory tactics to get something out of children

[strange turtle]

Wait a minute

[restive river]

I mean it’s a bit more than that lol

[woven coyote]

My best guess is
We end as we began

[celest needle]

Like the Orokin he knows that children are the most susceptible to being screwed up

[noble oyster]

so from what i see about this, Wally basically broke her mentally and told her "i can make those things real for you if you let me in"

[restive river]

We don’t know his exact motives ofc but they ain’t good

[restive river]

Oh

[fast dew]

Ie alienating them from their connections and isolating them from any help they could get

[restive river]

Probably
I still wonder if he was trying that interaction 1 or learned it

I fully understand Albrecht’s fear but I do wonder what would have happened if he didn’t run in that moment

[noble oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/punching-air-avatar-the-last-airbender-fighting-fighting-words-gif-10974933550292720769

[fast dew]

Im curious for it, but i imagine due to the whole

Void isnt exactly inline with timelines, after the first one the other Albrechts didn't get that chance

[restive river]

Maybe lmao
Doubt he woulda gone the empathy route

[celest needle]

I know he’s the MAN in the wall but technically does the thing even have a gender ?

[fast dew]

No lol

Hes really an it, id say

Albrecht started calling wally a Him one day

[dark compass]

probably because its his reflection

[woven coyote]

Probably just because of their first interaction

[dark compass]

next time we meet Wally post Rusalka possession itll be woman in the wall

[restive river]

Wally uses he/him pronouns afaik

[ashen pulsar]

I think it just depends on who he's possessing

[dark compass]

its a creature that mimics things, and first thing it mimicked to form was Albrecht so i assume its the reason why

[celest needle]

Well they can just take any form they like

[restive river]

Imagine that’s how we stop em
By helping them come to terms with their identity and assisting them with their transition

[dark compass]

idk i think we just hug wally and he explodes

[restive river]

Wally has no known true form so it’s very possible it just
Doesn’t work that way

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/power-of-friendship-guardians-of-the-galaxy-star-lord-gif-222923134575936135

[restive river]

Wally clearly has an identity though but also clearly isn’t opposed to just nabbing whatever form

He/Him but gender apathetic

[celest needle]

The finalie

[fast dew]

Mm, i vaguely recall Albrecht showing distress over calling wally a he, for some reason

[dark compass]

maybe ultimately itll be more of a "hypocrite" type of situation

it really isnt all that "indifferent"

[restive river]

Wally isn’t indifferent himself

[rigid compass]

The larper who cant read replies that follow general English conventions

[dark compass]

we give him a hug, he questions whether we can actually forgive him for all that he did after all of this, but before he can process it someone just shoots him at his weakest

unloading a full clip

[restive river]

Physical damage doesn’t seem to be an option nor do I think he’d consider forgiveness lol

Also
We are not forgiving him

Maybe Albrecht could but the Tenno shouldn’t

[dark compass]

yes the joke was about shooting him

[restive river]

Help him?
Maybe
Forgive him?
Never

[rigid compass]

I thought we were supposed to be learning to love 😔 🥀

[dark compass]

i am talking about it from a perspective of it being a setup

[restive river]

You can have empathy for someone and still not forgive them

[rigid compass]

Wally did nothing wrong 👀

[dark compass]

theres two paths to take

[rigid compass]

All roads lead to rome

[dark compass]

actually im too low on energy to talk about my thoughts

[rigid compass]

Good thing ur typing

[restive river]

Gotta get this one back to the iso vaults, they’re losing their mind smh

[dark compass]

without turning it into lame jokes

also Worm is here and its a passive sanity drain

[restive river]

LOL

[hazy mango]

Does anyone have a bubonico build for me to use

[restive river]

This is not the chat for that lol

[rigid compass]

Wrong chat im crine

[hazy mango]

IM SORRY

[rigid compass]

#builds-discussion

[ashen pulsar]

bunobico

[rigid compass]

Misclick of doom and despair

[rigid compass]

I take that as a compliment

[hazy mango]

Please forgive me

[rigid compass]

#builds-discussion

[ashen pulsar]

its like a horror game, its important to manage time spent in lore discussion when you're here

[rigid compass]

Thomas after looking at my absolute masterclass of bs and being sent into a murderous rage cause his sanity reached 0 so he lowkey uses a gauss nuke and obliterates captain and nemesis while nuclearbox is hiding in the closet

[ashen pulsar]

exactly

[rigid compass]

I admit my lore knowledge is lacking and outdated. But my takes are peak.

[ashen pulsar]

sometimess

[rigid compass]

Always*

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/216371815482654720/1498004406237659319/togif.gif

https://tenor.com/view/cat-please-do-not-the-cat-gif-11013093716903899251

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spell-casting-paws-beware-gif-5871331555575372099

[rigid compass]

I always cook
Remember my take about protos never being added.
Or hunhow being a massive sentient boss in the war. Or old war dark refractory. Or the sentients actually being the enemy in a quest with a decade long build up.

[woven coyote]

Rarely, probably never

[rigid compass]

Yall just dont see the vision

Now let me slander new content: protoslop, eternalistslop, time travel slop, loveslop, 99slop

[celest needle]

99slop 🥀

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/slop-northernlion-slop-nl-northernlion-streamer-gif-15078494005410411868

everything's slop

[rigid compass]

warframe's community rn 😔

[strange turtle]

Gunslop

[ashen pulsar]

frameslop

[strange turtle]

Bowslop, knifeslop, swordslop, spearslop,hammerslop, abilityslop

Lets go back to just using the frame’s own fists

[tall echo]

warslop

[rigid compass]

adversary slop, lowkey the sisters so goofy idk about the codas though

[rigid compass]

fistslop

[ashen pulsar]

everything that exists is slop, reject reality and attain nirvana

[rigid compass]

nirvanaslop

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/adgrunge-gif-6792511724141496466

[rigid compass]

honestly some could be considered slop, but DE eventually gonna really run out of stuff to add. they might pull a fortnite and just do crossover frames. crossoverslop

also tauslop

i really hope they dont screw up tau though

[woven coyote]

Only fortnite is stupid enough to make crossovers their only update cycle

[ashen pulsar]

I have faith in DE

[rigid compass]

they cooked with old peace so im hopeful but I hope they dont involve anything like protos or time travel. and im hoping that they dont make it some buns map or gamemode

hopefully it will involve railjack and maybe a rework to railjack

but if they just make it the same gamemodes or free roams as origin imma be mad

maybe something completely new

[ashen pulsar]

we are getting railjack with JS:C, fortunately

[rigid compass]

yes...... but i dont believe DE is doing much according to the devstream but ig they wouldnt show everything in the stream

like just from the stream it just seems to be 2 new nodes / potential gamemodes

its content sure

but its not fixing old railjack content

[ashen pulsar]

how much of a fix does it need?

[rigid compass]

which really needs to be faster and not have those missions where ur whole squad enters a ship

[strange turtle]

messageslop

[rigid compass]

the main issue is that u destroy the fighters so quickly then it just becomes a chase down of crewships then disabling the platforms or wtv. what they should do is make the fighters spawn until u complete the mission but u still need to kill a certain number of them. aside from that remove the missions within missions. those completely break railjack immersion with the exception of the orphix missions

[strange turtle]

textslop
perchance even
thoughtslop

[rigid compass]

atomslop

conceptslop

[strange turtle]

Actualityslop

[ashen pulsar]

atoms used to be niche stuff, there was like nothing
then all of the sudden, they got popular and became slop

atoms are in everything like goddamn

use something else for once

[strange turtle]

so true

…truthslop

[restive river]

Realityslop

[rigid compass]

xataslop

khraslop

[ashen pulsar]

anyways, lore

[rigid compass]

loreslop

[ashen pulsar]

do we think they're gonna explain how we have 3 of the same person in the same reality

[rigid compass]

3?

who?

[ashen pulsar]

baby sirius/orion, adult sirius, adult orion

[restive river]

The baby isn’t a problem

[rigid compass]

time travel isnt eternalism

[restive river]

And yes I think they will

[rigid compass]

so yeah baby is fine

[restive river]

We time travel to the orokin era via lua spy and we’re chilling

Posting this again as it got buried

[ashen pulsar]

hm

[rigid compass]

lowkey forgot thats a thing 😭

[restive river]

Sirius and Orion are a Drifter Operator situation

[rigid compass]

but how do they fight bro

[restive river]

They are the ones with a spacetime problem
Not the baby

[rigid compass]

thats the issue they should only be able to exist in and near the void

[restive river]

Well we still don’t know how canon that trailer really is
But I suspect if they are fighting or coexisting it will only be for the quest

[rigid compass]

dont u dare deny me hunhow

[ashen pulsar]

daddy hunhow

[umbral mist]

is the sirius and orion trailer another one of that eternalism thing

[tall echo]

I don't like that I'm agreeing with you

[restive river]

I think a different problem that hasn’t been brought up is the playable Sirius and Orion
Will we just. Get them from the quest?
Or will it be an infested replica like the rest?
And if it is, then it in theory wouldn’t have to deal with the spacetime problem

[restive river]

Yes, explicitly so they’re a Drifter Operator situation

[rigid compass]

ballas is evil 😈

[umbral mist]

proud to say i name the kid Orion 🗣️

[restive river]

They’re our 5th(?) example of eternalism

[ashen pulsar]

I lwk forgot

[tall echo]

same

[restive river]

I’m not saying we won’t get him I’m saying the trailer itself may not be fully canon lol

[rigid compass]

honestly i doubt they gonna be a frame. they might be more like how stalker is in duviri, so basically we play them on their respective ships

[umbral mist]

also where does the protoframes come from i just got back after 2-3 years

[restive river]

The future

Well
The new ones do

Ryoku and Vena are from the future, possible futures

[rigid compass]

basically scientist goes back to the past and makes people into warframes but doesnt touch their face

[umbral mist]

damn i have to finish the storyline

[ashen pulsar]

slow warframe

[restive river]

The rest of the protos are a case by case basis but all of those other ones are confirmed to be from Albrecht
Vena and Ryoku are unknowns beyond future

[restive river]

It literally touches their faces lol

[ashen pulsar]

probably was albert tho

[lost crypt]

think umbra but more stable and still people
at least that's the most barebones way i can put it

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-1999-eleanor-nightingale-gif-17022609555433617631

[restive river]

Yeah the protoframes are just slowed versions of the normal warframe serums
All protos will succumb to the infestation

[lost crypt]

my beloved...

[ashen pulsar]

what that tongue do

[rigid compass]

u will either hate it will all ur being or love it to the point where all u do is talk about how much u love the dating

[restive river]

A lot

[restive river]

The dating is optional dude

[umbral mist]

THERE'S DATING?

[restive river]

You love complaining about it but it’s literally optional lol