lore-discussion

[brittle siren]

ok I'll stop

[opaque zenith]

You'll get next time, just don't hesitate to go in

[narrow pendant]

so i calculated hunhow by comparing him with uranus from the trailer, yeah that has to be artistic freedom, hed be around 10200 km wide, the diameter of the earth is 12756km btw 😭

very rough approximation though so perhaps he does reach at least 6000km width

basically just made a full circle for uranus then compared pixels with real values

[opaque zenith]

For clarity's sake, Hunhow's ingame model have been shown in the erra quest and it's moon-size at best. Def artistic liberty

But anyway, good math, glad this calc got sorted out

[narrow pendant]

moon size works better with him being called a farmer by natah, which is interpreted best as terraformer

[tall echo]

(aura) farmer

[narrow pendant]

moon's diameter is 3476km

lets say hes 3k km wide

or 1864.114 in miles

[opaque zenith]

Now he could be a future Hunhow who fed on the rocks and asteroids to get bigger (iirc Praghasa does that) but that's speculation territory

[narrow pendant]

its more likely that he has regenerated and the fight destroyed his tomb enough for him to intervene and yell GET OFF MY PROPERTY!!!

GET THE HELL VOID OFF OF MY LAWN

[marble timber]

Do any of you think Sirius/Orion will become craft able Warframes?

With the other sibling being a alt skin or something

[tall echo]

I don't see why not

[marble timber]

I mean we can’t get stalkers bp

[blissful wraith]

How schizo was the drifter compared to how schizo was the operator from warframe

By the way can we call the drifter with a better name so we don't confuse them wjth the transmat firing guy

https://tenor.com/view/how-hungry-horse-horse-gif-hungry-eat-gif-18226163491588274176

[strange turtle]

germaine

[blissful wraith]

No I mean the drifter from warframe we could call them the schizo duviri storyteller I think

[opaque zenith]

Just assosiate him with some other better drifter

[rigid compass]

Maybe just maybe he was closer to the screen than uranus

[rigid compass]

No but likely playable like stalker is in duviri

[rigid compass]

Kinda like thats his purpose

[rigid compass]

Future i doubt but eating to grow is maybe. He could've eaten debris from Uranus

[opaque zenith]

Rude
-# /j

[rigid compass]

Hunhow aura farming since 2013

[tall echo]

well a bit later

[rigid compass]

It would be weird for future hunhow to come back to the past cause 1 we would have 2 hunhows, and 2 one of the kids would have hunhow from their timeline while the other doesnt. Hunhow is likely dead or still imprisoned in their timelines and stalker prob is too

[tall echo]

stalker is also an enemy first and a frame second

[rigid compass]

A special frame on top of that he would be umbra and force us out if we remade him

[strange plinth]

stalker probably doesn't have the special bolt to keep a theoretical copy of him sapient

[marble timber]

True

[rigid compass]

Theres bolts to keep their conscienenc?

[fast dew]

Umbra has one

[normal mountain]

That's why Umbra is special

[tall echo]

umbra has a special bolt that keeps his one memory going on loop

[strange plinth]

when umbra gets rebuilt, that bolt does too
same umbra, essentially

[fast dew]

Forces the memory to stick, unlike the natural versions like someone like jade

[opaque zenith]

Yes, that theory is full of holes atm, but it's just a "trownaway theory" for trailer's Hunhow size. And I'm with the team of the easier solution: Artist liberty

[rigid compass]

Oh is that seen in his sunder helmet or just a part of him i havent noticed?

[fast dew]

Its probably not there

[strange plinth]

not a physical thing, just mentioned by ballas

[rigid compass]

Like I said hes probably way closer than uranus

[rigid compass]

Ill check that out then but that explains why we dont rebuild frames with conscience

[fast dew]

Because its not something we have

[rigid compass]

Although I wonder why the orokin didnt kill the ogs and just make mindless ones

[opaque zenith]

Yeah, there's that as possibility too

[blissful wraith]

Ash with kinda extra steps hes mid

[tall echo]

guess what

the orokin killed most of the og frames and made new ones that were tenno-controlled

you can't fully remove the conciousness though

[woven coyote]

Yup this is explained both by ballas and in kullervos crimes

[strange plinth]

kullervo being an exception because he was on the run 90% of the time

[narrow pendant]

he literally emerged out of that hole..

partially still inside it too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748872633533071370/1498697626713854112/07A718B6-E1AC-48B6-AF6A-7245A5693DC1.png?ex=69f21a6e&is=69f0c8ee&hm=645e3a625186786cb3935dba7070712b311a68de18af10c73e40315d8ed78faf&

[blissful wraith]

I need to reach it to pull himout
Im Reaching it
Im Reach
Im on Reach

[narrow pendant]

homeless frame

[pale cedar]

I wonder how canon the trailer is

[marble timber]

https://tenor.com/view/reach-halo-dogtags-remember-gif-27077445

[blissful wraith]

Ahhhh yessss I need to Reach it ahhhh

Im suing discord for posting tbis agains without my consent, long live the Ha Noi accords

[rigid compass]

I wouldn't know this cause ive been sleeping on the vids 💀

W hunhow upscale

[rigid compass]

Idk why u wouldnt take it as canon when yall all take the prime ones as canon

[pale cedar]

I don't take all Prine ones as canon

Voruna Prine for example

[rigid compass]

Im prine 😭 ✌️

[rigid compass]

Should just do all or nothing son

[pale cedar]

Ok

There

I ain't afraid of Scraps wrath

Back to the topic some trailers in Warframe are stuff that isn't added to the game

Duviri had like 3 that weren't part of the quest

[rigid compass]

I wonder if Orion and Sirius are canon or if its just 1

https://tenor.com/view/larp-larping-mahito-jujutsu-kaisen-larper-gif-5475157444924658810

[pale cedar]

The fight might be canon

But the Hunhow coming out might not be

We don't have much info rn to say though

[rigid compass]

They havent updated Uranus in the devstream but doing the quest would likely update it to have a hole

[radiant pier]

define canon

[rigid compass]

Also lowkenuinely we need Orion and Sirius to team up and carry the tenno to beat the grineer and corpus

[radiant pier]

if you mean like our current timeline, probably just the one, and it's what name we chose for em

[rigid compass]

Cause all that in the trailer is crazy

[radiant pier]

but those 2 in the trailer are from the future, so technically also canon

[rigid compass]

Im just kidding cause he said hunhow coming out might not be canon

[pale cedar]

DE are a company known for making some non-canon trailers and it can get annoying finding out if one is or isn't

[rigid compass]

Dw we riot if we dont get hunhow

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-megatron-rise-up-stand-up-d-16-gif-1643898940618276189

[narrow pendant]

that is def gonna be adressed in the quest or at least the new railjack proxima being on uranus

[rigid compass]

Yeah Uranus is important to it and hunhow on uranus

[narrow pendant]

hunhow is also tied to stalker and thus to them

[rigid compass]

My hunhow stocks are soaring through the roof meanwhile Thomas and these other bums thought DE would let him rot under an ocean cause of "themes"

[strange plinth]

such beef over nothin

[fast dew]

Thats

Not what the argument was about

[rigid compass]

Shhhhh its okay u cant steal my stocks from me

[fast dew]

It was about the fight you wanted

Dont lie we can deadass check the chat prior

[tall echo]

looks weirdly like an eye imo

[gritty dew]

whats the importance of Hunhow being out of his little hole?

[tall echo]

hunhow unstuck

[fast dew]

Read that as homestuck

[tall echo]

hunhow can do things

[tall echo]

hunhow homestuck

[gritty dew]

what does that imply

[pale cedar]

Hunhow can do things

[normal mountain]

He now has the ability to kill Orokins personally

[tall echo]

hunhow unstuck, hunhow can do things

he can not do things currently

[pale cedar]

Hunhow remembered to do /unstuck

[tall echo]

indeed

[normal mountain]

Imagine if /unstuck was broadcast to the squad

"Hunhow has been unstuck!"

[gritty dew]

are we allied with Hunhow? i cannot recall

[pale cedar]

In a sense

[normal mountain]

Iirc
It's about as much an alliance with him
As it is with Stalker

We work together when it suits us

[pale cedar]

Unfinished Business

Tenno.

The Shadow has fled. His lair is silent an empty. He will not return.

Understand: She haunts this place. Her light has marred the earth. She whispers in the sleeping machines. Through the disintegration of her flesh, she lives on.

In honor of my barren, Void-scarred womb I entrust Jade to you.

He would not have wished this. But she would.

I remain: the great and terrible Hunhow.”
—Hunhow

[tall echo]

more or less

hunhow realized we didn't steal lotus from him so he's kinda chilling out now

[gritty dew]

i see, so is not actively a threat that wants to seek our destruction?

i thought he was a bad guy

[pale cedar]

He's the Great and Terrible not just the Terrible

[fast dew]

He was a person who watched his people get murdered and enslaved

[strange plinth]

we're on speaking terms based on jade shadows but he also seemed more content to die at the bottom of the ocean rather than deal with changing
being potentially forcefully removed, however,

[rigid compass]

Hes the Sentient Destroyer of Worlds 🥶

[fast dew]

He saw the pointlessness of war

Ergo he doesn't want to fight

[pale cedar]

Has still not destroyed a single world

[strange plinth]

-# pointlessness of War
-# (primarily impact damage)

[rigid compass]

Hunhow slander? Sentence this man to death by jade light

[fast dew]

Oh the jade light, daring are we

[strange plinth]

need some more orokin-era punishments
we only have jade light and glassing
ig framing too but that seemed exclusive to people that slighted ballas

[pale cedar]

Batter idea
Let's get Jade Lighted together I bet I'll be the one surviving

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/megumi-fushiguro-ten-shadows-cursed-tecnhique-innate-summon-gif-7314075061044604464

If im dying ur going with me

[pale cedar]

Sure but

I'm a book of Void energy
Energy cannot be created or destroyed

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/larp-larping-mahito-jujutsu-kaisen-larper-gif-5475157444924658810

[strange plinth]

Roathe: The Jade Light is quick to those without the armor or shields to survive a single blast. It is a merciful death.
tbf you don't even need to be energy, just have a little shield

[pale cedar]

Equipping my book with Jade Light protection

[rigid compass]

WALLY ERASE THIS GUY FROM THE MULTIVERSE AND ILL GIVE U UR FINGER

[pale cedar]

Wally is chill with me though

[rigid compass]

Ez

[rigid compass]

U the kid who says time out right before getting caught during tag

[gritty dew]

"After several failures and circumstances forcing Hunhow to ally with the Tenno against larger threats, his hatred of them seems to have abated, and he seems content to simply exist by his lonesome in the depths of Uranus." from the wiki

i see i see so its not a we're screwed moment, just a grandpa looking after his kids

[rigid compass]

The warframe wiki😭

[gritty dew]

:3

[strange plinth]

a possible interpretation, and the one the wiki has decided to mention as fact
wiki's not super reliable for lore in most cases

[normal mountain]

Doesn't look like fact to me
Given they say he "seems to have"

[strange plinth]

fair point

[normal mountain]

But yes, wiki is not the most reliable for lore

[ashen pulsar]

thats also just an interpretation from Jade Shadows/TNW not a fact

not necessarily supported by lore

[lunar prawn]

why is eternalism in genshin impact?

[narrow pendant]

its a popular concept

[rigid compass]

Lol
If ur not joking though its cause de didnt invent it

[rigid compass]

Is it actually called eternalism?

[narrow pendant]

also time isnt liniar to begin with with how gravity can cause regions to have different perceptions of time

[rigid compass]

Or something else like wasnt it multiple timelines theory or something

[lunar prawn]

I am joking but it was a real jumpscare for me to see that

[narrow pendant]

also: baro can be :3 at times

[rigid compass]

Perception of time doesnt affect if its linear or not

If by perception u mean speeds

[fast dew]

Well after that just happened

[narrow pendant]

in theoretical physics some forms of timetravel are possible

makes me remember; theoretically a black holes density would let you basically see the future, but at the same time the density causes light that went too close to never return back, which causes the blackness and you being unable to look inside, which can be interpreted in a silly way that its a patch the universe did to prevent someone from creating a paradox lol

oh speaking of time; tenet is a fun watch

[rigid compass]

Im pretty sure its the "future" and its more like time is slowed down for u so u just see the rest of the universe go by really fast and thus time still linear but I might be wrong

[narrow pendant]

yeah i was going off topic that wasnt related to it

[marble timber]

It’s a theory* of time, not original

[fast dew]

Tryna remember if thats presentism or eternalism

Cmon Mrs Entrati taught us this in school...

[mystic mortar]

Hello all!!! Im rewatching the new war, and where you confront ballas in the end he says "You never truly knew her, did you? " Followed by "What she most needs?".

So idk if this has be going around already but is The Lotus desperate/hungry for orders because of her sentiment nature ? Thats how ballas has controlled her every time ?

[fast dew]

Mm, i can see it

Solid theory
-# one desperately needed in current events.

[strange plinth]

she wouldn't be super vulnerable to it like the fragments during old peace are, though she has been reprogrammed by ballas at least twice afaik

[stiff fable]

I would mostly chalk it up to abuser talk. Ballas of course knows EXACTLY what she needs because she needs him and he'll make sure she knows it

[mystic mortar]

Hmm where can i find about the reprogramming? Or do you mean during apostasy/sacrifice/new war ?

[stiff fable]

It's in her dialogue during Ropalolyst

[mystic mortar]

And then she proceeds to listen to every order ballas gives her. Like "i love you my master" also kill the tenno order

[stiff fable]

I mean yeah, he did the same thing to Umbra

Clearly Umbra is a Sentient and needs orders desperately

[mystic mortar]

Huh you are being ironic? 😅 Lol im just discussing

[stiff fable]

Yes lol

The Old Peace was conceived of long after The New War, meaning the idea of the fragments gaining independence wasn't around when Steve was director

[mystic mortar]

He just paralyzed umbra as far as i remember he did not order him to do something.

[strange plinth]

hit 'im with the "Stop."

[fleet zinc]

From what I remember in a memory he had a tranceferance bolt

[stiff fable]

All Warframes do

[strange plinth]

umbra's was just special, replaying that one memory

[fleet zinc]

So then ballas just used the bolt to say "stop" and he did it

[mystic mortar]

They have confirmed that old peace was not in plans during new war? I didnt know that, i thought they had the old peace as an idea for long time

[stiff fable]

No, it was a relatively recent concept

[mystic mortar]

Yeah

[strange plinth]

they've said that they had the next 5 years or so planned out since new war
but i don't think old peace was concepted when new war was being made

[stiff fable]

Keep in mind that even recent concepts are several years old before they come out

Like, 1999 came up as an idea over coffee at Tim Horton's

[fleet zinc]

Also didnt 1999 take from earth codex entries too?

[stiff fable]

Nope

[fleet zinc]

Oh I thought 1999 was the radiation wars 🤔

[strange plinth]

1999 was the plague year

[stiff fable]

Warframe is a re-do of Dark Sector, a game DE made in the late 2000s

[strange plinth]

the radiation wars started sometime after 1999 and likely continued into the orokin era

[fleet zinc]

Or maybe it was entrati?

[strange plinth]

hm?

[stiff fable]

During that game's development they had to change it from a sci-fi setting to a realbrown military shooter with Metroid Prime mechanics

[fast dew]

The plague year?

It predates Albrecht's shenanigans

[stiff fable]

So early Warframe has a ton of references to that older game

[mystic mortar]

Radiation wars is after that... I believe quite some time after

[stiff fable]

...like Excalibur's entire design, Nyx being Excalibur's sister, Stalker existing, and the technocyte

[fleet zinc]

Well he went back in time and brought the radiation back with him its a bit of a paradox?

[strange plinth]

no?

[fast dew]

Radiation? Oh no

[strange plinth]

the radiation wars happened separately
and the infestation was already in 1999 when he got there

[stiff fable]

The plot of Dark Sector involves a technocyte outbreak in Eastern Europe in the mid-2000s

[strange plinth]

the scaldra were messing with techrot in 1997 iirc, and i think albrecht showed up in 1998?
thomas you might know more about that estimate than i do

[fleet zinc]

Not saying the radiation wars more so the radiation that stayed till the orokin empire

[fast dew]

Oh, yeah it can go back as early as 1994 from memory

[fleet zinc]

I may also just be interpreting something wrong too😅

[stiff fable]

This overly long explanation is mostly to say that we always knew there was a technocyte outbreak in Warframe's ancient past

[fast dew]

But scaldra was later on, Albrecht's presence mimics Scaldra's

[pearl axle]

Side note is there any lore reason you can use focus powers as drifter or is that just noncanon gameplay convenience

[strange plinth]

there were 18 radiation wars, spanning the time between 1999 and the orokin era

[fast dew]

They share powers now

[strange plinth]

operator prolly shared their powers after the dinner scene

[fleet zinc]

Handshake

[strange plinth]

or the handshake when they swapped, yea

[stiff fable]

But "1999" specifically was only imagined in like 2022/2023

I think they mentioned it was first proposed as they were wrapping New War

[ashen pulsar]

this was shown in TNW

it was a huge thing

[fleet zinc]

Idk why I thought it was that a radiation war caused a radiation in the background while more wars went on and that radiation spanned till the orokin empire, not the case I know now, the reason I thought that entrati in 1999 says the nuke causes the same radiation in tau or a connection between the two? (Been awhile sense I played 1999 quest)

[strange plinth]

the tau radiation was some localized natural anomaly, not nuclear radiation

[fleet zinc]

Yeah that was something thought I was missing but the other explanation makes more sense then what I thought

[stiff fable]

"Natural"
"Literally tied to a World Seeder"

[strange plinth]

world seeder landed on it

[fleet zinc]

Tied more so to the tau blooms

[ashen pulsar]

yes, a natural anomaly.

[stiff fable]

I've already made the Babble Fish comparison, I'm not going to belabor the point

[strange plinth]

yes, conveniences are only ever manufactured
that's the babble fish

[ashen pulsar]

not really related to that either?

[fleet zinc]

I thought the radiation got weaker or got lost after the blooms died to the seeder?

[stiff fable]

The radiation only comes up during the teaser game

It's not actually part of Old Peace at all

[fleet zinc]

Gotcha, I more then likely just heard a theory and ran with it

[stiff fable]

And even in the teaser it was removed before anything could be done about it

[strange plinth]

the tau radiation was in one spot, the world seeder over it got blown up to cover it
the world seeders activating during old peace was just their intended purpose, making Perita habitable for humans
the tau blooms die in human-breathable air, which is why they weren't active before that

[stiff fable]

So that particular Chekhov's gun is still waiting to go off

[strange plinth]

i'm meant to be farming nightmare tatters i keep getting distracted agh

[ashen pulsar]

might be problem in tau

tau arc

[strange plinth]

xata,,

[stiff fable]

Maybe! Or maybe they decide to go in a different direction entirely and it ends up an orphaned tease

Like Praghasa in the original New War teaser, or "House Duviri" supplying Fortuna

[strange plinth]

i feel like its going to be related to dealing with wally

[minor hemlock]

Hello! I wanted to check, is this the place where I dicuss a new warframe to DE?

A friend of mine told me, I could dicuss a warframe I can create and tell it to DE and they decide if the idea is good or not, can anyone tell me where can I do that?

[pearl axle]

#tennogen-creation-discussion

Not new Warframe

[strange plinth]

the forums are the best bet for that, no guarantees of anything, though

[pearl axle]

Skins for ones that already exist

[minor hemlock]

But I can't dicuss to them about a new warframe I created with my imagination?

[pearl axle]

I don't think there's any Warframe that's fan made

[dire mountain]

Well

[pearl axle]

But a lot of cosmetics are

[minor hemlock]

A friend of mine told xaku was made by players

[dire mountain]

Sevagoth, Xaku, Nova iirc but those were all like special

[dire mountain]

Design council yes

[pearl axle]

Huh TIL

[minor hemlock]

Oh! I have one too, that's why I wanna dicuss it, about a warframe I made in my mind that looks like a snake.

Thought it would be a good idea to share

[pearl axle]

Is that currently open?

[dire mountain]

Last I checked new people are being added but idk if there's anything they're being prompted with

I am allowed to say that as a member I think

I know for sure I'm not allowed to leak

[pearl axle]

Ah so currently fan content is only tennogen yes?

[dire mountain]

But anything that's finished and added is fair game? I could be wrong

[minor hemlock]

Oh..-

[dire mountain]

To preface i haven't checked in ages

And its an invite only thing no applications

[dire mountain]

You could still talk about it ig people have fan concepts all the time just temper your expectations

[pearl axle]

I mean a few fan concepts on Reddit were pretty well received

Just gotta be eye-catching with your art

[minor hemlock]

Hmm

[dire mountain]

Yeah but it's not super common for fan-made things outside tennogen to be added

[pearl axle]

Yeah

[dire mountain]

Iirc datareaper (may he rest in peace) was responsible for the kronen

[pearl axle]

But if you just want people to look at your stuff and go "that's cool"

[minor hemlock]

May he rest in peace.

[pearl axle]

Then yeah the community's pretty open to cool fanart

[dire mountain]

Sevagoth was from Liger and that was not necessarily a one-off I think the Wraith concept was just so cool the company hired them? Could be wrong

[minor hemlock]

I kinda wanted to like, get DE attention to create us a warframe snake, I always wanted to be a snake and stuff so I had the idea to tell them, after I prepares the abilities and the design in my head.

[dire mountain]

Snake warframe is unlikely as of this moment though

[normal mountain]

He was also responsible for Clem and Twin Grakata, wasn't he?

[minor hemlock]

Wdym?

[dire mountain]

Lavos is the closest we have with Javi but mirage got a snake skin for lunar new year last year

[minor hemlock]

Yep..- my friend told me that ._.

[strange plinth]

not sure about twin grakata but definitely clem

[dire mountain]

Now that you mention it yeah absolutely thats why his memorial is in iron wake

[pearl axle]

You could start by trying to design a snakier looking tennogen skin for Lavos?

[minor hemlock]

But isn't lavos a mad scientist? What does he have to do with snakes if I may ask.

(And yes I'm kinda new to these stuff and kinda new to warframe

[normal mountain]

Two snakes on his arms

[strange plinth]

turned Javi into a snake

prime has a snake-ish head

[minor hemlock]

._.

May I see if u don't mind.

[dire mountain]

He turned his mentor into a snake via alchemy

[minor hemlock]

._. Oh my

[strange plinth]

Lavos gathered the remains of Javi tenderly in his hands. A soft glow emanated from them. As, in one horrible moment, Javi's Orokin oppressors realized what they beheld. And then: panic. Lavos was transmuting the remains.

A twining, living snake seethed up Lavos's left arm. Javi, transformed, and still - after a fashion - alive, just as they had feared. A second snake coiled around his right arm, this one sprouting from Lavos's own flesh.

[normal mountain]

That's Prime
Base Lavos shows the snakes better

[dire mountain]

True

[minor hemlock]

Oh

[restive river]

What gave you the idea he was mad?
He was probably one of the saner scientists lol

[minor hemlock]

My friend was telling me the story

But didn't finish it

[strange plinth]

the orokin prolly thought him mad

[restive river]

Lmao

[minor hemlock]

Oh man, I thought my new warframe idea would make a new warframe with snake abilities and snake shape :(

[normal mountain]

I mean, he might not have been crazy
But he was certainly angry

[restive river]

Lavos’ story is about him learning something forbidden
Turns out the forbidden thing was pretty basic knowledge about the universe and life

[minor hemlock]

Reasons why he is mad

[restive river]

I’d be mad too if the Orokin forced me to kill my mentor and closest friend

Mad scientist doesn’t refer to an angry scientist though
But that’s semantics

[strange plinth]

-# They say that Lavos often takes counsel from his serpents. One is his brutal advisor, the other his wise teacher. Both have their wisdom, and Javi still whispers to his beloved student.

-# Much like the snake, Lavos is easy to misjudge. The serpents that poison can also cure. He may have been a monster in his previous life, but he was able to achieve something that eluded the most powerful of the Orokin. He changed.

-# Moreover, he changed himself. Javi may have helped and instructed, but the will to change must have begun with Lavos.

[normal mountain]

I know
That was the joke

[restive river]

Lavos is snake themed and has snakes, but he is not the snake warframe
Iirc Saryn has some snake aspects too
And Mirage got a snake skin for some reason
Snakeframe can totally happen lol

[minor hemlock]

Maybe that's fair

[minor hemlock]

U really think so.!?

[dire mountain]

Can happen but maybe unlikely to soon

Hoping for a dinosaur warframe

[minor hemlock]

Same!!!

[restive river]

I think so, they could totally go harder on the snake aspects than they did with Lavos and Saryn

[strange plinth]

i wonder which of the three had the idea to prime him

[normal mountain]

Snake frame
Toxin abilities
Lamia transformation (may be unlikely, but Oraxia got spider legs)

[restive river]

Give snakeframe lavos’ bite and saryn’s molt but changed a bit, add some other snakey things and boom

[minor hemlock]

I really hope so!! Maybe j can give them ideas since I was studying all types of snakes and I know what they do

[strange plinth]

mm lamiaframe,,

[restive river]

Reminds me of the Adis snake concept art

[normal mountain]

Eh?
You have pics?

[minor hemlock]

That was part of my ideas too!!

:D

[normal mountain]

Lol
Great minds

[restive river]

I’ll get you the link one sec :)

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1N5n9X

[minor hemlock]

Wait is it ok if I shared what I said to my friends here??

[restive river]

Have fun witnessing the horrors

[minor hemlock]

._.

[restive river]

Sure

[minor hemlock]

It's kinda long ._.

But let me get it, hold on

[restive river]

In case you don’t want to look at all the cool concept art || https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/097/365/679/small/alfio-capotorto-1adis11.webp?1773945355 ||

Did
Discord not spoiler that properly lol

[strange plinth]

it did, just took a moment to register the image i think

[minor hemlock]

That looks sick

[proper barn]

Lavos is a alchemist warframe cuz alchemy is the transmutation of things. The whole reason Javi is in jail is because he was teaching the ideas of things being changeable teaching knowledge to the poor masses. The Orokin hated him for that cuz of lead can become gold a poor lower class person might become something more.

[dire mountain]

So glad adis didnt have flesh 😭

[proper barn]

Which we can't have that.

[restive river]

Mhm!
I’m hoping they reuse these designs to some degree for Tau

[minor hemlock]

Oh

[dire mountain]

Like I get it thematically but his official design is a lot less uncanny

[proper barn]

"We can't have that" is the Orokin thought not my thought.

[restive river]

I can see the present Sentients having it if they truly did evolve to be more human
But who knows, maybe after the war they took a different path

[proper barn]

But yeah.

[normal mountain]

And vice versa
Let it be known that there is another process out there that turns gold into lead

[proper barn]

Sure.

[restive river]

Imagine if we got a The Line trailer for Lavos Prime and it’s just fullmetal alchemist

[minor hemlock]

Lmao

[proper barn]

It's trans guy lavos proto letsgo.

[restive river]

He touches a wall and it erupts into some messed up snakes

[proper barn]

I still want that btw.

It would work so well.

[dire mountain]

Lavos prime trailer and it opens with debate between lavos and javi and leads into a magical girl transformation

[restive river]

If we get a Lavos proto then he has to be a scientist who knows about alchemy and it’s importance

[normal mountain]

Especially if it was the rarer female-to-male trans

[restive river]

So Yareli Prime but better?

[proper barn]

That's what I said.

That's what trans man means.

[restive river]

He did say trans guy lol

[normal mountain]

In my defense, I'm not familiar with all that stuff

[restive river]

I mean you wouldn’t call a trans women a trans guy

[minor hemlock]

Shouldn't be that wrong..?

[proper barn]

Also it's not really that much more rare but it's more not as many people seeing trans men but also being trans can just be not cis but many nonbinary/gender conforming people don't wish to call themselves that cuz they don't want to diminish others. But this is just random musing and talking to myself.

[proper barn]

Why?

Genuine question on what you mean not upset or anything.

[minor hemlock]

Last time I met trans woman I called her trans guy ._.

[proper barn]

Oh no. Buddy.

Oh honey no.

[minor hemlock]

._. What?

I never met a trans in my entire life

[proper barn]

Okay

A trans person.

[pearl axle]

Haven't seen FMA for a long time but who's the trans guy...?

I know there's an NB shapeshifter in there but that's not the same

[proper barn]

It's like you don't meet "a gay"

You meet a gay person.

[proper barn]

Oh I'm saying people often times head cannon lavos as a trans guy.

[pearl axle]

because he primed himself?

That's very funny honestly

[proper barn]

More cuz like

[restive river]

Might just be vibes lol

[proper barn]

The whole thing is he's a alchemist

Also vibes.

[minor hemlock]

So he isn't a snake! But he has snakes

From 2 or 1 people.. made them look like a snake

Or him, idk

[restive river]

From his mentor and himself

He is not a snake he just has snakes

[strange plinth]

his primary theme is alchemy, but he's also snake-related

[restive river]

If we get a proper snakeframe they would be friends (maybe. More?)

[minor hemlock]

(HEHEHEH) :3 but yea I know so!!

I really wanna play with a snake frame!! It would be awesome

[proper barn]

@minor hemlock but If you where trying your best to be nice and polite I'm sure she was alright. Next time though a trans person when referring to them use the word trans as like a adjective to who they are. Like a trans women is just a person that identifies as a woman that is trans. Also being more chill about it and just treating them like a normal person can sometimes be the most accepting thing ever.

[minor hemlock]

Oh, oki dokey

[proper barn]

Yee.

[restive river]

Honestly just ask what people’s pronouns are and do your best to adhere to them lol

[minor hemlock]

Valid point

[proper barn]

Yeah like I said

Be chill. Also people can tell if you are trying and failing compared to not trying at all.

[minor hemlock]

Alr

Btw, I prepared the snakeframe abilities, is it ok If I said it here? Or where? (Btwx they are kinda overpowered so don't expect me to balance yet) ._.

[proper barn]

People will just care that you tried alright.

[restive river]

The devs are in charge of balance anyway

[minor hemlock]

That's why I didn't bother to balance ._.

[minor hemlock]

I always try, unless if its hopless then nope

[proper barn]

Good on ya.

[minor hemlock]

Alr, here's the information about the snakeframe that i made..- (it's long so take ur time to read it)

The warframe is a snake male (rattle, cobra, viper, python)

PASSIVE:
Normal state:
Speed 10% venom 20 enemy sense 5% attack speed 10% can stick to walls slittle long than the other warframes.
Snake form:
Speed 20% venom 45% enemy sense 50% attack Speed 50% and he stick to walls AND ceiling even more longer

NORMALY FORM:
1st ability
Spits venom at enemies make them poisoned and slowed
2nd ability
He can jump on enemies biting their necks consuming HP and little bit of ability strength and he can do that several times, increasing HP and ability strength more which makes his poisoning more powerful
3rd ability
Snake armor making him take enemies damage and once he had enough, he shaves his snake then explodes making his scales at enemies like arrows and it does poison or venom damage

And in his 2nd ability if enemy is low HP, finisher appear finishing off enemies and Consumes HP and ability.

4th ability
SNAKE FORM making his legs transform into a snake tail, cobra thing appear near to his head with and his snake FORM passive states applies as the 3 abilities change

SNAKE FORM ABILITIES
1st ability
This ability has 2 range
Enemies in the inner range turn into stones and get stunned plus THEY BECOME VERY WEAK
Enemies who ARENT in the inner range will be effected by venom and make them slow
2nd ability
The cobra things starts to control enemies for limited time, plus he can summon snakes with him to help
3rd ability
Grabs an enemy ans has 2 choices, either eat the head which he gains HP ans ability strength
OR
Enemy gets grabbed my the tail consuming armor and attack speed.

In his normal form, he kinda focuses on being an assassin and consuming enemies HP and some ability strength but in his snake form, he focuses on being a little tanky and controlling + freezing enemies into stones.

And if if I mentioned it but he can also sense enemies warm blood behind walls, which u can see enemies in the snake's sense range (kinda look like echo location but smelling their blood to sense their prey)

And that's it, let me know what do you think

[tall echo]

so... enemy radar?

like, the mod thing

[minor hemlock]

Something like that, but it's for the snakeframe only (it kinda seems invalid but thought it would be cool also that's the true about snakes from what I was learning about them)

But the mod could work much better for him too.

[tall echo]

enemy radar is just basically free through animal instinct for companions that's why

[minor hemlock]

Oh ._. U can't put it on warframes?

[tall echo]

no

but loot and enemy radar mods are a wasted slot now since the mod can be put on sentinels too

[minor hemlock]

Well, I guess that could be nice to have a snakeframe who can do radar thingy from his passive I guess

[minor hemlock]

Oh, I didn't know that

Sure been playing warfrsme for 1 month I guess or more but still considered as a baby tenno

But what do you think so far about the snakeframe?

I really hope this gets DE attention and maybe they accept making us a snakeframe, it would be epic.

[tall echo]

I want to read it but I am physically incapable of reading long text walls, it actually turns off my brain for some reason

[fast dew]

Oh that's baby baby tenno

[minor hemlock]

And I won't say no to that because its kinda valid..- but whenever u want read it, feel free to ready it anytime u want

[minor hemlock]

I'm not that tiny! :(

[tall echo]

...wow I started playing in the same year that tnw released and still waited a couple months for it... that feels. wrong to realize.

[minor hemlock]

._.

[tall echo]

nice pfp btw, looks very fluffy

[minor hemlock]

Thx ^^ that's a matching for my bf

From our favourite comic.

Anyways, I gtg to sleep now, was a long day, feel free to read the snake frame anytime u want and let me know what do u think of him, still creating his design snd drawing him, and I will see u all some day
Good night.

[fast dew]

-# Albrecht

[restive river]

He does have a cool coat…

[fast dew]

And hes an alchemist!

Warframe giving alchemists cool coats and neat shoes:

Shout out lavos prime, those are some nice heels

I should've explained why Albrecht's shoes are cool too, they look to be Doc Martin's lol

Go my butch lesbian coded boots

[stiff beacon]

Albrecht 100% raided Aiden pearces closet

[loud oriole]

that was his first time travel shenanigan after the Void incident

[limber hull]

LAVOS 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[rigid compass]

elite ball knowledge. first thing i thought when i saw him

[pearl axle]

see I was thinking it's a joke about being a "self made man" or something

[clever linden]

Things I want for Narmer when they get “proper content” as put by DE:
-Star Chart presence (obviously)
-full integration of Amalgam forces, especially considering their lore connection
-Narmerized Grineer Ghouls

[restive river]

Are the amalgams connected to Narmer? Do they have amalgam units?
Ik they were made in partnership between Alad and Natah but do they show up in Narmer missions :?

[clever linden]

They do show up in some railjack missions at their current HQ, Veil Proxima

[limber hull]

Narmer liches would be nice

[clever linden]

Sentient Liches at all would be nice

[rose estuary]

Pretty sure it was more natah blackmailing alad…

I think

I’m probably wrong on that lol

[clever linden]

Basically, Amalgams were Narmer experiments forced by the old war sentient vanguard who forced Alad V into cooperating. It’s why he immediately surrenders upon the start of the new war, and why he’s happy if you kill the Hunhullus, it was used as leverage against him

[lean garden]

*ropalolyst

Got it a lil mixed up there

[daring tusk]

Why is steel meridian pretty chill with red veil torturing greneers across the hallway?

[marble timber]

Probably the hundreds of death machines walking around daily

Don’t wanna start anything

[restive river]

That’s not Narmer though

I mean it’s tied to it but the Amalgams sound more like a Natah thing than an Erra/Ballas/Archons thing

I could see the Archons existing in their current state from Amalgam research, since fundamentally they’re the same thing but I’m unsure if that’s ever talked about

[ashen pulsar]

arent they pre-narmer

[strange plinth]

pre-narmer but still initiated by those that would become narmer

[ashen pulsar]

sure but thats like saying old war-era amar was a narmer soldier

[restive river]

Only amalgam narmer unit would have been the wolf actually, no?

[twin wigeon]

all the archons are amalgams, and not erra fs

er not the typical amalgams but like amalgams in definition as they're fused with warframe bodies

[restive river]

Yeah i mentioned that

I can see the amalgam research being how Erra made them but afaik that isn’t proven

[twin wigeon]

i hardly doubt that Alad V was involved

im a bit confused about the alad v to salad v timeline tho

like on jupiter hes normal isnt he

[restive river]

No but
His research may have been lol

[strange plinth]

Rather he came to our meeting with a raft of his own, radical, proposals. An entire shift in direction. And then, as I made to leave, he smiled. He smiled and, for just a second, I don't think his face was human at all.
wally
/s

[restive river]

I can see the timeline being
Natah blackmails Alad
Analgams are made
Analgam Wolf
Erra uses Amalgam research for Archons
New War happens

[strange plinth]

the archons are old war creations, aren't they?

[restive river]

The Archons are from the old war but I don’t think there’s anything about their amalgam state

[clever linden]

Narmer isn’t just mind controlled ppl

It’s lead and started by the sentients that came from Veil Proxima

[restive river]

Amalgams are new afaik

[clever linden]

The sentients that forced Alad v to make amalgams would go onto help found Narmer

[restive river]

Lead by Pazuul and the Archons
I’m just trying to understand if Narmer themselves actually use them lol

[restive river]

That was Natah who did not do that

[clever linden]

They do but to a very limited extent

[clever linden]

Natah was part of Ballas and Erras gang at the time

[restive river]

Only time I can think of Narmer themselves actually using them is the veiled wolf

[strange plinth]

Hunhow: "Help you? Of course. What are friends for? Let me explain what you are up against, 'friend'. You see the Archons were made by my son, Erra. Hybrid abominations of the Old War... raised from the blighted battlefields where Sentient and Warframe fell."
they are mentioned as hybrids here

[restive river]

Yes I’m
Aware of that lol

[clever linden]

That’s the archons, not amalgams

But they are similar

[restive river]

So amalgams were not a new invention

[restive river]

It’s the same concept, just one adds infestation lol

[clever linden]

He’s talking about the archons

Corpus amalgams did not exist in the old war

[restive river]

Yes I’m aware of that

[strange plinth]

the debate was if the archons could be considered amalgams

or were made using that tech

[restive river]

Which by definition, yes
Human + sentient hybrid

[twin wigeon]

im they're not Amalgams but they are amalgams

[restive river]

Yeah they’re not Corpus amalgams but they are by definition amalgams

[twin wigeon]

mhm

[restive river]

Human + sentient

We’re amalgams
Caliban’s an amalgam

[twin wigeon]

human + sentient + infestation

caliban is a amalgam fs

[restive river]

In the case of the archons and caliban

[twin wigeon]

Erra is not an amalgam

[restive river]

No, he’s just a sentient

[twin wigeon]

well his head was grafted on but hes still sentient

[restive river]

Pazuul is just like
Your pc died so you grafted on a different pc to it lol

[twin wigeon]

i doubt Erra died

[restive river]

From the dialogue it looks like he didn’t

[twin wigeon]

I think he was captured and was decapitated

[restive river]

Not entirely at least

He got hit with the sun, he was def in a severely weakened state if nothing else
The archons then take his body, slap on Pazuul and boom

[fast dew]

Tfw i plan to harvest my pc to build a new one

[strange plinth]

erra's "died" twice
one is far more survivable than the other and it manages to be 'crushed in sun-related complications'

[restive river]

rip erra ):

[twin wigeon]

lol

[restive river]

What if we save Erra and he takes control of Narmer, disbands the veils and becomes an ally

[fast dew]

Gunna buy a new part, sell the part im replacing, repeat

[twin wigeon]

What if we storm a Narmer stronghold and retrieve his head to regraft onto another body

[restive river]

Or we just cut off Pazuul

[twin wigeon]

Or we just cut off Pazuul

reuse that sentient slayer we have rotting around

[ashen pulsar]

ballas, erra, and maybe the archons created narmer. like I said, that's like calling og amar a narmer soldier. They were just sentients, narmer hadn't been created yet.

[twin wigeon]

amar is just a hound

that they decaptitated and made evil

[ashen pulsar]

sentient hound

[twin wigeon]

sentients are robots so technically its just a Hound

[restive river]

Are the archons furries?

[ashen pulsar]

ohhhhh

[ashen pulsar]

uh... no?

they're... swordsteel-ies

[restive river]

lol

[ashen pulsar]

sentients cosplaying as warframes

[restive river]

I hope we eventually get to see old Nira and Boreal

[twin wigeon]

Hoot

[clever linden]

He is a Narmer soldier now. A leader in fact

[clever linden]

Me too. Pazuul too

[ashen pulsar]

I didn't say "now"

I said og amar

[clever linden]

Not then

[ashen pulsar]

exactly, just like how amalgams werent made by narmer

[restive river]

Oh
Erra probably used what he learned from making Caliban for the Archons lol

[clever linden]

They are used by them

[celest needle]

-# Nira is just a literal snake

[twin wigeon]

Erra tried his best to recreate what the sentient archimedians made with ballas

[ashen pulsar]

that isnt what u said, however

[twin wigeon]

corpus amalgams weren't used by Narmer, iirc

[clever linden]

There isn’t a difference between the sentient faction that made amalgams and those that are within Narmer, they are the same force from the old war

In fact, the wiki classifies Ballas as an amalgam after he was reborn through sentient technology

[ashen pulsar]

they may have been? I dont think we saw any evidence of them

but why wouldnt they

[strange plinth]

they should've had access to them, but we do not see any amalgams during TNW

granted, we also only see the vallis in terms of corpus stuff iirc
so maybe they're just not there

[ashen pulsar]

do we see them now?

[restive river]

Wolf

[ashen pulsar]

in archon hunts and stuff

[restive river]

The wolf is the only corpus amalgam

[clever linden]

And when Narmer gets “proper content” whatever that may be, Analgams should be used much more to help Narmer feel more unique

I’d also throw in veiled grineer ghouls

[zenith gate]

How does Nidus get to control a literal living, motile strain of infestation? Did we get lore on it? I see other warframes' powers, they are usually energy-based, in some way (yes there are obvious exceptions, but still), while Nidus gets to manipulate flesh, in a way, like the "lego man living in a house made of flesh" kinda thing

[twin wigeon]

oh wait the wolf of saturn six was turned into a corpus amalgam?

[restive river]

Nidus is just the helminth strain

[restive river]

Yup!

[clever linden]

Yes, and veiled after new war

[twin wigeon]

i never encountered him in the kahl missions

[clever linden]

Khal killed him

[twin wigeon]

oddity

[zenith gate]

But he spreads, he grows, other warframes dont

[restive river]

He’s a boss fight on the sentient tile

[ashen pulsar]

tried.

[strange plinth]

nidus has next to no lore, its just part of his abilities as he was made that way
however, given that the warframes are infestation, its probably just part of the hive that listens to him

[restive river]

Yes, he’s just infested themed

[zenith gate]

it's crazy to me that this just isn't expanded upon, we get told Warframes are infested, we see a warframe control infestation, but nothing is explored on it so far... we get a KIM message mentioning him I guess

[clever linden]

He kills him in the veilbreaker quest

[strange plinth]

wolf runs off

[clever linden]

Huh…I could have sworn that he goes down

[twin wigeon]

wolf is just him, ofc he wouldn't be easily taken down by some grineer grunt

[clever linden]

Khal is far from some Grineer grunt

[twin wigeon]

i mean yeah, hes much smarter and experienced

i wonder when hes gonna die

yk from the clone rot

[ashen pulsar]

whats a grineer's average lifespan

[strange plinth]

"not long" according to the kuva lich cutscene
which means nothing considering darvo's 105 or whatever

[zenith gate]

If a million people want Nidus lore, I am one of them
If a thousand people want Nidus lore, I am one of them
If a hundred people want Nidus lore, I am one of them
If one person wants Nidus lore, that is me
If noone wants Nidus lore anymore, then I am dead

[twin wigeon]

ok

[blissful merlin]

I’m just glad Garuda is actually getting the lore they were promised. Not only her proto having her own lore but the 3rd orb scattered remains having the ACTUAL warframe garuda lore

Garuda fans are EATING this update lol

[zenith gate]

Congrats, happy for you 😠

[restive river]

Wait what?
When was it started the third orb remains have her lore?

[strange plinth]

offhandedly during the devstream iirc

[restive river]

Good :]

[strange plinth]

"loyal to Orion is Vena, so she is Garuda protoframe, and she is her own character with her own lore, but there is also, due to the way the third orb got exploded, it may have littered debris of the true Garuda lore around it, so its all connected."
timestamp

[pallid spoke]

Depends on your definition of "furry", if you mean it as a blanket term for all animal-like anthro characters, most furries I used to know would say yes.

Sorry didn't mean to kill the chat with that necro-bump answer...

Man, I find it so anti-climatic that they've been teasing the third Orb Mother for so long, just to end up noping out and destroying it.

[loud oriole]

nah you’re good, its midnight for most of the usuals in here so it gets fairly quiet

[strange plinth]

i'd rather have an end than a promise that never comes

• it could be rebuilt/replaced at some point

[limber hull]

He's More connected to the helminth than to the main infestation/techrot

[loud oriole]

Archon Orb Mother

[pallid spoke]

I mean, true, but it's still disappointing.

Because I doubt the latter is happening.

[limber hull]

They just did superbosses, whose to say they won't add an Ultimate orb

[blissful merlin]

Yes this hehe

[strange plinth]

there's a slight possibility that we're able to blow up the third orb mother during the quest
but i would not bank on it

[loud oriole]

would be nice if DE did acknowledge how the third one got blown up but yeah not fully banking on it either

[proper barn]

Third orb?

When did this happen

[loud oriole]

thats the fun part

[dire mountain]

A soul for a soul... third orb for Garuda lore.

If you could trade, would you? Surely.
But all miracles require sacrifice.
For their life: yours.

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-umbra-gif-19388420

[proper barn]

I wouldn't be surprised if we do a fight with it during the quest.

[dire mountain]

I just want cool dualism update

[rigid compass]

Reverse furries

Animals with human(ish) bodies

Someone said earlier that umbra has consciousness cause of transference bolts which i think is what it was called. Would the bolts be bringing back his consciousness from the void or whereever it would go after he dies to his body when he gets rebuilt? Probably using kuva. Or is it just a copy of his consciousness loaded onto the bolt which just saves when he dies and stays with the blueprint so the new umbra has the old ones memories?

[narrow pendant]

made anotha wallpaper https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3716307996

[narrow pendant]

i believe the bolt was for ballas having control over him

the tenno can do it with their powers, ballas has to use a built in bolt

[rigid compass]

Dont think he ever controlled umbra just that he made it so the warframe is like Dax and cant kill orokin

Also talking about umbra just made me remember how peak sacrifice is

[strange plinth]

special bolt for ballas to talk with him, and its also probably responsible for replaying that memory over and over
the umbra we build just has a copy of the first's consciousness, i believe
reconstructed from scans and the vitruvian

[rigid compass]

Legit 3rd best quest behind old peace and new war

[twin wigeon]

ehhhhhh

[rigid compass]

I just hate the idea of it being a new umbra 😭

I hope it was some void related thing like continuity for a warframe

Might actually be possible

[narrow pendant]

hm either he cant kill orokin or it was through ballas waving his hand

[twin wigeon]

imo: old peace, hex, whispers, new war, and then sacrifice are my ranks

[dire mountain]

New War top 3 is debatable

[strange plinth]

if it is the same consciousness, it's because its connected to the infestation rather than the void

[rigid compass]

Woah bro whispers is not good its just an introductory quest

[twin wigeon]

its so fire wym

[rigid compass]

Setup for better quests

[strange plinth]

whispers isn't angels

[rigid compass]

It is though

[dire mountain]

Whispers is still cool though

[rigid compass]

Yeah its cool

[strange plinth]

they're both tutorial quests but whispers does it far better than angels does

[twin wigeon]

i love the ambiance and effects and the music of the sanctum

[dire mountain]

Top 3 i think is old peace, hex, sacrifice

Duviri might be fourth

[twin wigeon]

oh shi

i forgot abt duviri

[rigid compass]

I still believe angels had so much more potential but they made it a dam tutorial quest

[twin wigeon]

old peace, hex, duviri, then whispers

[dire mountain]

I am including the finale for the hex btw and supplementary lore around the quests

[twin wigeon]

same

tho i like the finale more

[dire mountain]

Idk the first time you hear core containment was insane

[rigid compass]

My top 5 are new war, old peace, sacrifice, second dream, war within

[vagrant zephyr]

I quite liked how they made hex a tutorial and actually really good

[rigid compass]

Hex is not a tutorial

[narrow pendant]

it teaches you all new modes

[dire mountain]

It has some tutorial bits which is, fine. Game design and all that

But the tutorial bits are always the worst bits

[vagrant zephyr]

Themes and such

I guess the whole thing with it actually being an overarching more like

[strange plinth]

-# uhoh

[dire mountain]

Guh??

[rigid compass]

I hope DE revisits the zariman with an actual quest cause it honestly feels irrelevant rn

[restive river]

Hex, whispers and to an extent old peace all have tutorial aspects to them
Cause
Game design

[dire mountain]

I wouldn't say no to new zariman stuff

[restive river]

I mean lore wise it is the most relevant ship probably in history
But yeah no we need new stuff, what does that third door lead to for instance

[rigid compass]

Yeah all main quests introduce some new mechanics so yeah but angels and whispers had a lot less story

[narrow pendant]

his life is roblox

[restive river]

Angels yes
Whispers had a lot of lore lol

[strange plinth]

angels can be entirely ignored rn and not miss out on much, would be cool to have something coming off of it

[dire mountain]

Yeah I will give you angels but whispers introduced and explained a decent bit more

[restive river]

Whispers is not a tutorial quest lol

[vagrant zephyr]

Whispers had crazy hype moments and aura too

[restive river]

You miss out on incarnons

[rigid compass]

Idk imo Whispers has a lot of that do objective return to hub feel

[dire mountain]

Strands of khra, 1999, the Murmur, the first real example of the main weapon in the tenno's arsenal against the Indifference

[restive river]

Yes but it also has a lot of lore and establishes what comes next lol

[restive river]

The cavia lol

[dire mountain]

TRUE

How did I forget my glorious king bird 3

[rigid compass]

Basically just says "this is albrecht" " time travel" "big scary bad guy"

[strange plinth]

incarnons are prolly the biggest thing that you miss, n even then they aren't super important

[restive river]

Whispers may teach because
Gameplay
But it is not a tutorial quest

[narrow pendant]

Bird 3 introduction dont forget that
he solos wally

[vagrant zephyr]

I think murmurs is decently heavy on the tutorial stuff but it’s story is also really good and important setup

[restive river]

When you oversimplify everything it will be reduced, yes lol

[rigid compass]

I mean the teacher is the best quest in the game let's be real

[vagrant zephyr]

like you definitely do a lot of tutorial stuff but it’s not there ONLY to be a tutorial

[vagrant zephyr]

Still haven’t done that one actually

[dire mountain]

Most important character in the verse he solos wally he just doesn't because he wants to be kind (this is true dont factcheck me)

[restive river]

The bait lol

[strange plinth]

you're missing the whole bit about repelling wally with old man yaoi

[vagrant zephyr]

I don’t assume im missing anything tho

[narrow pendant]

he believes in the good in everything 😇

[restive river]

It properly inteoduces Teshin and teaches the bare minimum for modding lol

[dire mountain]

We already knew albrecht but whispers introduced him as a player in the story and not just background

[rigid compass]

Compared to other recent quests it does feel a lot like pre 2nd dream quests

[vagrant zephyr]

“You just learn about the most important characters in the story and about where they are” yeah

[dire mountain]

You're missing the funniest foreshadowing ever

[restive river]

I disagree but aight

[rigid compass]

🤷

[dire mountain]

"See? So simple, even a child could do it. Now test your work."

Funniest line ever actually

[vagrant zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/javier-bardem-anton-got-it-think-about-it-ok-gif-17428218

“Does he know”

[dire mountain]

Objectively he would have to know

[vagrant zephyr]

Yeah he’s old as hell he would know

[rigid compass]

Seriously though zariman got the short end of the stick and they just made another open world on deimos

[vagrant zephyr]

wdym another open world

[strange plinth]

'you went into stasis but i didn't, i walked the long path for redemption' or whatever he says

[rigid compass]

Sanctum anatomica

[vagrant zephyr]

Those are just regular missions?

[rigid compass]

Ive already had this discussion about how its open world so let's not open that can of worms again

[vagrant zephyr]

like I guess the tile sets are kinda big but

Oh okay sure

[strange plinth]

that's a hub with missions around it, not an open world
its the exact same setup as the zariman and hollvania

[rigid compass]

Shhhhhh ive already argued with liek 5 people about it. (Im right) js forget about it

[dire mountain]

Ohh I get it, thats bait

[strange plinth]

it seems like this is your attitude about most things

[vagrant zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[rigid compass]

I mean lore is one thing but ill die on the hill that those are free roam

But forget it

[vagrant zephyr]

Well actually he did say he was right did we consider that part of his argument

[rigid compass]

What was we talking bout?

[rigid compass]

Thx

[strange plinth]

ah right of course why didn't i think of that

[rigid compass]

Whats ur quest rankings

[vagrant zephyr]

Idk I probably gotta replay them

[rigid compass]

Cant go wrong with vors prize lowkey

[dire mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[rigid compass]

Such a good quest and u know cause everyone's played it

[dire mountain]

I am so glad that xata instead of true has taken off its so amusing

[vagrant zephyr]

I love all the quests they’re all my favourites

I hate all the quests they’re all the worst

[dire mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1495851343544455459/togif.gif

[strange plinth]

as long as you say that you're correct, you're correct, right?

[dire mountain]

Who has that "eternalism means you're correct? Bring me that reality" or whatever image

[strange plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1498075631332757604/togif.gif

i have it as a gif but not an image

[rigid compass]

Yuh

[dire mountain]

Thank you I will weaponize this

[fast dew]

Its gotten to the point where I say it to friends who know nothing about warframe 💔

Also christ on a stick

[proper barn]

Did you play it?

Huh you said so many things that where wrong.

[fast dew]

You'll learn he never listens

[proper barn]

Also no he has consciousness ciz becoming a warframe doesn't kill you. That's part of the body horror all about it.

It's why the proto frames live in agony.

[blissful merlin]

…..

Genuinely….what

[hearty glacier]

Giving birth is like playing osu

[proper barn]

True

[narrow pendant]

omg its the guy from new war!!

caseoh

[fast dew]

Guys its deso!!!!

[twin wigeon]

smh, how do you forget his name, its Tesco

[pearl axle]

Queso like the cheese?

[fast dew]

Smh its Costco

[stiff fable]

Isn't it Nescafe?

I would have remembered if it was ESO

[fast dew]

Bah pretty sure it was Iso

[strange turtle]

Dude it’s Laso

Like from Halo

[fast dew]

Nah im telling you its venmo

[radiant pier]

Tesco would hate y'all

[fast dew]

Well he can suck it up

[twin wigeon]

Well he can suck vacuum (of space)

[pale cedar]

Well he can't because he died before being able to attempt that

[strange turtle]

Is the space alive or dead

[fast dew]

I blame Albrecht Entrati for my pizza falling out of the fridge

Whats the lore about Albrecht doing this chat

[pale cedar]

Void things

Science

[fast dew]

Is his science responsible for how the box fell

[pale cedar]

Yes

[fast dew]

Nodding

[cedar thistle]

there is same pizza exists, that dont fall. praise albrecht for this

[fast dew]

XATA......

[restive river]

Hey do we know when the Entrati void expeditions happened?
Other than during the old war

Not Entrati’s expeditions but the frame ones

Minor tangent from that
Were the iso chambers for frames too?

[fast dew]

You'd think so, but im unsure why they'd even bring warframes to void expeditions in the first place

[pale cedar]

Protection

[restive river]

Tap tap
My main question here lol

[pale cedar]

It's DE
They never give proper timelines

[fast dew]

Mm, my best guess would be just after the biobomb went off.

Mother went into the void regularly after Albrecht left, we could reasonably assume those were apart of the void expeditions

And. She started to do that around the time the biobomb went off, as she recalls hive... hiveweed? Growing around her as she came back from the trip into the void

[pale cedar]

Damn there's weed in Warframe now

[fast dew]

We've known this for a while

[pale cedar]

2 types

[fast dew]

Hiveweed and nestawood...

[restive river]

Maybe, but doesn’t Albrecht also mention expeditions sometime after his first trip too?
They may have just been ongoing
It honestly might just depends on what these expeditions were even about lol

[fast dew]

He mentions other folk following after him, i could see that as an expedition yeah

[drowsy saddle]

-# eternalism

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/source-source-i-made-it-up-my-source-is-that-i-made-it-up-my-source-is-that-i-made-it-the-f-up-darthmufin-gif-26077161

[pale cedar]

Rare Ballas honesty moment

[drowsy saddle]

this one

[pale cedar]

I have a Better idea

Double Eternalism judgment

[zenith ore]

I have a question, how does said frame get its specific power and ability? Like uriel is a demon with fire and minions (BTW where are the minions from?), and revenant with his void abilities. More and more

[opaque zenith]

Normally, it is just a design thing, but Ball ass tends to play with the circunstances or personality of the original person (see Gara and Jade), but there's some exceptions

[restive river]

It being a possibility just depends on if he did those during the war ig

[zenith ore]

Ball ass, I like this. Aight thanks!

[restive river]

The Warframes are powered by the Heart of Deimos

[zenith ore]

Really?

[restive river]

When the heart gets damaged many of the Warframe’s systems go down, such as abilities

[restive river]

Yes

[zenith ore]

I think I've heard this before

[restive river]

You experienced it lol

[zenith ore]

Ohhhhh

I remember now

Sorry my memo is hdd

[fast dew]

Mm, he must've done the inital finger cut off sometime before the sentients were made, as. Youd think theyd add the void weakness after the main discovery of use for the void lol

[fast dew]

Real..

[zenith ore]

I was questioning why my volty volt was barely moving

[restive river]

Transference remained because that’s not a void thing
But our abilities and such were kaput til we turned the Heart back on

[zenith ore]

Interesting

[restive river]

True yeah, and we know he was around for the zariman parades

[opaque zenith]

Addendum: Exceptions include the person twisting the desing (Mirage), personnal beef (Umbra), void shenanigans (Xaku), sentient shenanigans (Revenant/Warden), etc etc

[restive river]

Who knows how many expeditions he did afterward

[fast dew]

He did disappear sometime after the zariman 10-0

[zenith ore]

Uhuh, I was also wondering about them. We'll that answers my question. Thanks guys!

[restive river]

Speaking of Xaku
They are mostly likely akin to the Holdfasts, or their mind(s) is/are at least
Void spirits have to come from somewhere

[fast dew]

Nodders

[pale cedar]

I wanna see the traffic jam the heart caused

[fast dew]

I just want to know why they even brought a warframe inside the void

[restive river]

Protection

[fast dew]

From what 😭

[pale cedar]

Me

[restive river]

Same reason Voruna guards the circulus lol

[fast dew]

Albrecht being overtly cautious i can see

[restive river]

I mean
He did bring Oraxia at one point

Exact timeline on that isn’t known ofc

But the void is a dangerous place

[fast dew]

I don't like that we don't know when xaku came into existence compared to Albrecht leaving

[restive river]

It’s especially concerning cause uh
Where did the ability names come from
And their name

[pale cedar]

I don't like that DE robbed us of a trailer and then blamed 1999

[restive river]

There’s also the chance that frame expeditions had tenno which
Could be another avenue of explanation for Xaku and a much more horrific one!
But there is zero mention of this so ima say no, the expeditions were during gen 1

[pale cedar]

Some people just had Warframes as bodyguards

[restive river]

They gotta divert resources somewhere lol
I would have adored a trailer though, you know this

[restive river]

And when the void be embodying your conceptuals it’s best to have a walking nuke by your side

[pale cedar]

While true
The excuse fell flat when the frame after Xaku also didn't have one

[restive river]

Liches

Or wait
That was after

What was after them

[pale cedar]

I still think DE just couldn't think of a lore reason despite there being one

[fast dew]

I cannot wait for. Idk a qorvex deluxe

Dante came out after and he got a deluxe first 💔

[opaque zenith]

Lavos, the one after, was in the middle of 1999 and Techrot encore, so you can put on the chair's account for that

[restive river]

For what?

[restive river]

He’s better

[pale cedar]

Certain Prime trailers not releasing

[restive river]

What would be the lore reason lol

[pale cedar]

There is many that can be used
Copy made with gold then equipped to design
Prime was first
Void things if lazy

[restive river]

Ah that’s what you mean lol

The void one doesn’t work as much, the Unum theory is really the only actual explanation
That or he slipped through an eternalism crack or something but Unum is better

[lilac ivy]

Was it ever explained how Albrecht turned into a human?

[pale cedar]

By always being a human

So the exact same way you did

Being born

[lilac ivy]

I thought he was a big blue orokin?

[pale cedar]

Orokin are human

It's just a social rank in a social class

[lilac ivy]

I meant how did he lose his orokin appearance

[pale cedar]

By refaciaing his skin to look like a regular human

Even you can do this

[loud oriole]

if the orokin upper class had the tech to do body alterations, they certainly have the tools to unalterate
-# though the arm thing seems like it would be pretty taxing, thankfully albrecht didnt follow with the arm trend

[lilac ivy]

Ah

that makes sense

thanks guys

[fast dew]

And he also wasn't big lol

He was chubby tho, shout out chubby Albrecht

[loud oriole]

the only other orokin to have a crippling addiction to pastries

-# maybe

[fast dew]

Nawh, his weight just fluctuated a lot

Seriously his weight is inconsistent as shit

The statue has his body as. Solid, not much difference, the requiem logs have him as. Not that, and his zairman portrait has him as dadbod™

[lilac ivy]

I meant big like his family on deimos

i didnt mean to fatshame him

[fast dew]

No no, i know, i was just commenting on chubby Albrecht, im a big fan of that form

[topaz pawn]

the family on Deimos is big because of the Grey Strain of Infestation, which is native to Deimos. The strain is characterised by gigantism

it's also the reason why the ||Vessels (big bodies) in the Sanctum Anatomica are, well, big||

long story short when the infestation regurgitated the Entrati family, it made em big

[rigid compass]

Warframe players when u dont remember that ballas has 39569 hairs and not 39570 hairs

[rigid compass]

Except the part... where he died.

I might not see shi in quests but at least I can read

[normal mountain]

That was unrelated to becoming a frame

[celest needle]

[rigid compass]

Becoming a frame was unrelated to my question

[rigid compass]

Yareli so dumb and dont know whats going on they had to make her a emoji

Truly a L frame

[normal mountain]

Yareli slander will not be tolerated

[pale cedar]

Let's bully Ballas instead for infecting a person who might've been a child

[normal mountain]

Agreed

[rigid compass]

We already know he infected a pregnant woman

[humble sierra]

Yareli may be easily beaten (by both that fat grineer, and so easily defeated that even her Deluxe skin was defeated lorewise) but she has an indomitable spirit

[fast dew]

Yareli is awesome lmao

[normal mountain]

Yareli Prime must have really enjoyed the Night of Naga Drums

[fast dew]

Does more to speak up against oppression than most

[rigid compass]

How many skins are canon?

[restive river]

Not many

[rigid compass]

Nah id slander

Bumreli

[normal mountain]

I still say she only lost that one because she wasn't trying to win the fight
She was just trying to get the guy far away from his child slaves

[restive river]

If they’re in a Leverian or stated to be canon in some way then they’re canon
Otherwise, nah

[restive river]

I mean she could have also done that by killing him but if her goal was to let them rise up then that works too lol

[rigid compass]

Any tenno with half a brain cell wouldve cut him to shreds or turned him into Swiss cheese with a boltor

[humble sierra]

He had i-frames

[normal mountain]

True
Maybe she wouldn't have been able to kill him without serious collateral damage

[rigid compass]

Also the warmachine being outran by a fat guy makes no sense

[rigid compass]

Anything to protect the bum

[humble sierra]

His healthbar was grey she couldn't do anything

[restive river]

Weren’t they. Away from him?

Like she got him away from the kids

[rigid compass]

Yall just cant accept that de made yareli a bum for "themes"

[restive river]

What collateral

[normal mountain]

Okay, I'll concede the point at that one

[restive river]

Yareli’s strength doesn’t come from her strength, it comes from her rebellion, her will
And also the fact she is still a Warframe, mortal still but swordsteel

[rigid compass]

WHAT COLLATERAL SHE LITERALLY SENDS HIM TO THE STRATOSPHERE WITH THE KIDS WATCHING

[pale cedar]

The Reddit mod had God mode enabled

[restive river]

She’s a warframe, she def had ways to kill him

[rigid compass]

Shouldve called grendel to show him who's boss

[restive river]

Every frame has a parazon
And they’re an expert at using it

[rigid compass]

With sole exception of bum yareli

[restive river]

Nah she can use it too

[pale cedar]

Maybe Yareli was just disliked by Helminth

[restive river]

Idk what’s up with that comic but it does not do her justice during that part
It’s
So weird lol

[rigid compass]

Yareli (non prime) i believe was already said to just play around and stake

[fast dew]

Uh

[rigid compass]

Shes canonically a bum

[restive river]

Ballas didn’t like her
Maybe that’s why

[daring tusk]

dumahh amir wouldntve died in the first cycle

[fast dew]

No, we generally know little to no difference between when its a prime and base that does things

[normal mountain]

She also didn't seem to have Kompressa on her person

[fast dew]

This includes prime trailers btw

[rigid compass]

Bum lost her weapon

[restive river]

I’ll specify
Every WARframe
Not every protoframe who’s explicitly still learning their powers a year in 😛

[fast dew]

Arkadia with the most randomest of shrines

Didnt take you as a yareli enjoyer

[humble sierra]

She probably has the most decorations around her that I had

[restive river]

Yareli simply deserved better in every way
She launched with that comic, which personally gives me some icky vibes with that one part
She was incredibly weak and tied to a content island a majority of players didn’t like
She 10000% deserved so much better back then

[fast dew]

Same she has a lot lol

[rigid compass]

About skins being canon arent the helmets equipable? Cause guass mag helmet is in his leverian which implies its something he had. I could see helminth being able to equip skins on warframes or at least the helmets

[humble sierra]

Even this thing is related to her, this is where the sweatshop was

[ashen pulsar]

the waverunner comic is weird af

[humble sierra]

I think one of Stalker's targets has an alternate helms

[restive river]

I’d say probably all alt helmets are canon, especially those in leverians or seen elsewhere like Kullervo’s

[rigid compass]

Its too bright bro turn it down

[restive river]

It got very weird in a bad way

[topaz pawn]

my opinion on waverider is that it's a fictional comic and not an actual historical document of any specific real event in-universe

[rigid compass]

Nah she'd bum

[restive river]

I do not like using this word and this isn’t entirely of my opinion of her now but when she launched she felt more like “fanservice” than anything else
Partially due to her comic and her kit just being. Awful

[rigid compass]

She was fanservice

[topaz pawn]

and as such any feats (or lack thereof) don't need to actually make sense because. it's a story.

[ashen pulsar]

mhm

[restive river]

Not anymore

[rigid compass]

U seen @humble sierra 's shrine

[ashen pulsar]

who would win: one creepy fatass slave owner or a warframe that can damage cap 5 times in a second

[restive river]

Yeah
My opinion on her has changed a lot lol

[rigid compass]

Mine hasnt

[restive river]

I initially really did not like her for being fanservice, now she just
Isn’t that in my eyes lol

[normal mountain]

Is that... Tuvuul getting ripped apart by Voruna's wolves?