lore-discussion

[glass sluice]

@woven coyote different conversations, not less.

[fast dew]

I knew what I was getting into with Eleanor I feel

[strong viper]

Same.

[strange turtle]

His VA was picked specifically because of Rebecca is a fan of his work as a Final Fantasy villain, and the Kim/Proto writer is a woman whose thing is dark romance who got picked by Rebecca

[glass sluice]

lettie came across as the quirky animal lady and not much else, I liked that. i love animals too.

[strong viper]

Burning Up by the Jonas Brothers

[fast dew]

Oh, and on romance, I hope everyone can agree that the poly system is dogshit

[strong viper]

Oh sure totally

[woven coyote]

Can be less
Only is different if you have "all convos" active

[glass sluice]

I'm talking about a specific one, you are talking about all in general.
ngl, I have no interest in ever dating any of the male frames.

[woven coyote]

Yeah

[strong viper]

I might break up with el and loop so that she and lettie can finally figure it out, and then just date marie with no cheating apologetics required. Moon is compersive not compulsive

[glass sluice]

@strong viper you actually can get el and lettie to be friendly with each other, even if you're dating one of them.

[strong viper]

Oh i already finale'd

But i am shooting for that F&F anyway

[glass sluice]

the honoria are cool and all, but im not straight in the least.
just the thought of trying to date a male frame feels so weird to me

[strong viper]

And art and quincy already bounced.

I'm bi, and male irl

I just have a woman in my head sometimes ya know, so i used my operator to represent that

[glass sluice]

Its a bit obscured these days, but my pfp is surrounded by the lesbian flag lol.
im happy others can have the option, but its a path i just cant take

[strong viper]

Yeah, i am shy on anyone other than quincy tbh

And I find him hard to talk to so i just flirt and keep it business

Amir is... idk um, too immature. I don't want to babysit my boyfriend lmao

And I'm a gauss/volt/wukong type. I get the need4speed but he just isnt... efficient enough for it

[glass sluice]

amir feels weird, but i went though his convos more and im starting to get more of a picture.
he's the regular guy in a warzone. dudes terrified.

[strong viper]

Yes, exactly.

And that triggers Big Sister from me

[glass sluice]

i still dont want to be near him, but i feel bad

[strong viper]

Yeah, lol

[strange turtle]

Genderfluid?

[strong viper]

Bingo

Like a pink ranger driving a rad mechazord

[fast dew]

Pardon for the insult, but like the orokin!

[strong viper]

Sometimes its green ranger

[strong viper]

Well we are both like the snake shamans of old scythia i suppose

XD

And you see why I find Roathe so...plain.

Oh, gee, a 'devil'! Any other tricks from the pony?

[fast dew]

HA

Roathe is boring as shit.

[strong viper]

They could have played into his Nightcrawler schtick with some hefty guilt complex and devout religiousity

[glass sluice]

the fact that he's wearing no pants and a crotch flap just makes him being intimidating so much weirder

[fast dew]

Oh. Arrogant, annoying, entitled orokin. How many times have we seen that?

[strong viper]

Like kurt in X-Men you know

A luciferian figure

[fast dew]

Tbf that is just orokin fashion

[glass sluice]

hey now, you be nice to Kurt.

[strong viper]

Kurt wasnt orokin, its easy

Make kurt an orokin? Thats HARD

[glass sluice]

he looks like an underdressed titan from des2.
annnnnd now i cant unsee that. damn.

i have the perfect gif for this, but i absolutely cant send it here.
only issue is that its not more blue

[strong viper]

Im imagining norman osborne willem defoe embracing the breeze on his glider in the 60s goblin getup.

[fast dew]

Nihil does the whole. Pantsless deal better

[strong viper]

Lmao.

[glass sluice]

"hang free, spidermannnnnnnnnnnn"

[fast dew]

Nihil is just prettier imo

[strong viper]

Canon

I still think dagath is taking the glassing horror and turning it up to 11

Shows you how trivial it really all gets for Orokin

And that gut feeling in your stomach tells you you know they are evil

[fast dew]

Dagath as Grandmother or Dagath as the warframe

[strong viper]

Warframe, but even as grandmother in how she euphemizes the tale

Because we are told the story through her personality to begin with

Truly the name gimmick isnt just a gimmick. It was earned by delivery i think

And its a a recurring theme. Duviri, Albrecht and MITW, all of it

Mirror Which Accuses

[glass sluice]

hey uh, lore-adjascent, but y'all should double check your KIM

roathe now is my best friend?

[fast dew]

I think something that folk didnt exactly put together is the whole. "Dax physically cannot say no to a kuva holder" and dagath being a dax in a. Intimate relationship with two orokin (kuva holders) and how thats kinda. Kinda bad

[glass sluice]

guess he really liked that titan comparison.

[dark compass]

Do you think she has a riven rolling addiction?

[strong viper]

Like teacher and student bad, yeah

Not to mention the age gap and the objectification of caste

[fast dew]

No like full on inability to even consent

[strong viper]

Which is the pertinent thing here, isn't it? Objectification.

That's what I am saying, yes

[fast dew]

Dax are physically forced to do orders, think teshin in the second dream

[strong viper]

I remember.

Frames too at first. And she was in that first.

Its an escalation of a loss of identity and control

Consent was never on the table

[glass sluice]

One thing worth remembering, is that even if you are not physically forced to follow an order, a position of power is a dangerous thing.

[strong viper]

Hence my teacher ans student analogy

[glass sluice]

theres a reason there are restrictions on it in most professional environments

[strong viper]

It bypasses and violates consent to be in a powerful position like that.

Therapist and patient too

[fast dew]

Which folk may bring up with Albrecht and Loid, which, at least to me, is wildly different

[solar salmon]

this one especially in roathe and nitokh's relationship

[glass sluice]

@fast dew I actually think the two of them are a classic example,a nd we're going to eventually help loid realise that.

[fast dew]

Albrecht was a weird orokin, one reason being his whole. Treating everyone equal to himself

[strong viper]

Albrecht has a problem.

[glass sluice]

if you talk to grandmother after loid goes back up, she has some very choice words to say about it

[fast dew]

I beg to differ, despite the seeming power disparity, Loid is actually the one in control of the relationship! Its a weird ass thing that happened sometime

[strong viper]

He exercises love. He doesn't emanate it, he makes an effort to perform it

[fast dew]

Grandmother also thinks that him going off kuva was him trying to off himself 😭

[strong viper]

And his love is scarce and fleeting when not entirely ephemeral or nostalgia

He abandoned Cavia and Loid

[glass sluice]

I'm going to avoid any irl comparisons here, but when one party has that much power over another (any kind of power, not just space magic), you need to be incredibly careful to keep it even, and its better to just not in the first place.

[strong viper]

Yes.

Exactly my analogy btw.

[fast dew]

Which is what Albrecht does 😭

He never actually says the word servant, ever. He goes on and on about how he is below loid

[strange turtle]

Thats not why he abandoned Loid, and he didn’t love the Cavia

[strong viper]

Then what he turns art bi and abandons him. Leaves us as a party gift.

[fast dew]

Which.

Isnt what happened

[fast dew]

He could barely look at the cavia

[strong viper]

I see that

[glass sluice]

He didnt only abandon the cavia, he butchered them

[strange turtle]

The cavia were random animals they collected, he just felt guilty over what he was doing

[glass sluice]

remember why they have the names that they do

[strong viper]

I know he didnt have as much attachment to scientific lab rats lol

[fast dew]

Tagfer.... which, randomly and mildly unrelated

[strange turtle]

And he abandoned Loid specifically to protect him and lead Wally away

[fast dew]

Apparently is just the name of Tagfer's ancestors

So Easter egg or coincidence, who knows

[glass sluice]

it means "tag for disposal"

[strong viper]

I like the bird. He asks the best questions

Lmao

[solar salmon]

Im not an albrecht apologist by any means but he was slightly guilty at the piles of cavia he made but the moment they turned sentient he was actually disgusted by himself from what I gather

[glass sluice]

his wife had a similar naming scheme

[strange turtle]

“Slightly”

[fast dew]

It also comes from a thing in Höllvania's zoo, a tagfer.

[solar salmon]

most emotionally intelligent goat

[strong viper]

Right? Sleeper build af

[glass sluice]

"dont ask what happened to bird 1 and 2" is a quote from, I believe Loid.
he knows albrecth wasnt a good person.

[strange turtle]

Tagfers a deer thing actually

[fast dew]

Brother had essentially what id describe as post partum depression 😭

[strong viper]

Cervine?

[fast dew]

Ceravilline...?

[strange turtle]

Cervulite

[solar salmon]

cervulite

[fast dew]

It was a long word

[strong viper]

Cervulite. Smaller, then

Makes sense. A dimuniative.

[glass sluice]

"sunday roast" is faster

[solar salmon]

like those weird deer that have the forehead noses

muntjac

[glass sluice]

was someone here looking for a reason to hate roathe? i forget

[fast dew]

Yeah so thanks to that Easter egg, there is the whole option that Tagfer and a Tagfer is just

[strong viper]

Well Tagfer has fuggling lung antennae now so he's almost as emotionally intelligent as bird

[dark compass]

He pronounces "ass" weird

[fast dew]

Both what it was

[glass sluice]

I like to think thats albrecth going around and trying to justify the torture he put them all through in his own way

"see, its just a name"

[fast dew]

Tagfer comes from a 1999 zoo exhibition, that was NOT Albrecht lol

[strange turtle]

I like the idea that actually he was just called Tagfer, Tagfer being the name for Cervulite males. And Tagfer just read way to into it

[dark compass]

Waiting to learn that Qorvex was a gorilla from the same zoo

[solar salmon]

I always thought that warframes earth was almost exactly like ours and its like millennia of orokin gene editing that turned dogs into kubrow and similarly for every other animal ever but tagfer's species being the same is incredibly funny

[glass sluice]

valkyr is the name of the museum cat

[strange turtle]

Or even Tagfer being the name of a specific Zoo Cervulite and Albrecht stealing it (the name)

[solar salmon]

kubrows are mentioned in the 1999 chats right

[fast dew]

Tag for disposal... do we know when that tag even happened?

[solar salmon]

I should look into that

[glass sluice]

he just killed his wife instead, IIRC

[fast dew]

Because i don't see why Albrecht would tag the animal for disposal before the void incident

[strange turtle]

No

[strong viper]

Well aoi had no idea what my kubrow was so

[fast dew]

Especially tagfer and minn, given how hard it was for Loid to get them

[strong viper]

Wait i meant lettie

[glass sluice]

tagfer also still refers to Albrecth as "papa" though, so factor that in.

[fast dew]

What no

Minn died in the void

[strong viper]

Yes she did

[glass sluice]

aoi does ask about the predasites

[solar salmon]

amir mentions dogs and cats and such apparently so normal ass animals were the norm

[strange turtle]

“Tag for disposal” is as in, either after what happened to specifically “The Cavia” or jjst to dispose of the body when dying like the rest

[strong viper]

84%. Ready for my vauban skin (i dont even own vauban)

[solar salmon]

the tagfer thing might just be a full on easter egg

[strange turtle]

Fibonacci was the one to kill Minn, though not intentionally

[fast dew]

Could be, especially given its a translated thing

[glass sluice]

"tag for disposal" as in, a failed experiement that he is going to euthanise later on.

thats what that generally means

[strange turtle]

He vented the Bell when Wally got in

[fast dew]

Now we gotta debate if Easter eggs are canon, especially when they're barely Easter eggs

[strong viper]

Pretty good name for a haughty fish who commonly oblates the subjunctive tense.

[fast dew]

Fibonacci chose that name lmao

[solar salmon]

I love taking things too seriously

[strong viper]

Exactly

[glass sluice]

he didnt see the cavia as sentient, he threw them away.
the cavia chose their own names.

[fast dew]

Bird 3 was likely the actual naming convention he had

[strong viper]

Thirdbird!

[fast dew]

Fish 3, beast 3, bird 3

[dark compass]

Bird the Third

[solar salmon]

and we're bird 4

[glass sluice]

the bird, bird bird, bird is the 3rd

[strong viper]

The VA is def channeling some big bird too

[fast dew]

But he did. He feared what the cavia was saying, and was scared.

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/surfin-bird-the-is-word-uta-bar-gif-14418544245512473988

okay too real

[opaque zenith]

In all public spaces, there's a secret untranslatable simbol who transport your conciouness to a "end credits universe" with some strange words and names in it

[fast dew]

I wish more people remembered that this is a man who is terrified of genuinely anything that could get close to him

[strange turtle]

Not what he did either

[solar salmon]

"I have made this monumentally worse"

[strange turtle]

They did not die, save one. They came back changed. Witnesses. Pilgrims, even, chanting freakish praise to the one beyond the wall.

I knew, then, that my gambit had lost. So long as I worked through scapegoats, my guilt would only deepen. I must atone for what I had done through my own blood.

Standard laboratory hygiene would have been to dispose of them. But some instinct stayed my hand. The Voidtongue was an enigma to me, but another – more habituated to the Void than I – might one day unravel it. Through the imposition of form upon the formless, they could, perhaps, glean some meaning.

I assigned the Cavia to Loid, for I could not bear to look upon them. Not yet.

Loid is, at head, a good and kind man – better than I deserve. And completely oblivious to his own true worth.

[fast dew]

Theres also the concept he's grieving his dead kids too

Heh i got insider information screw yall

[strong viper]

Wym they upstairs

[glass sluice]

the daughter that he abandoned is looking real mad right now

[fast dew]

Kid, singular

[strong viper]

And her daughter, too xD

[fast dew]

Anyways, to explain what I mean

[dark compass]

Thomas did some doomsaying

[glass sluice]

she plays too much onlyne, i feel albrecht wouldnt be a fan

[fast dew]

I got the opportunity to ask Rebecca a question

[dark compass]

He IS

[fast dew]

That. That is the exact opposite of what he is

[dark compass]

He let Lyon listen to 1999 music canonically

[fast dew]

He has 31 onlyne cds in the backrooms

[glass sluice]

i just cant picture him singing into a hairbrush

[strong viper]

Thats why art shuts you down when you say you like onlyne

[strange turtle]

He has a metal guitar and may have done a thing with Onlyne in 1998

[fast dew]

Which was there before we moved in

[solar salmon]

huge fan of onlyne bigger fan of how theyre infested monsters

[glass sluice]

i mean, they arent technically though, are they

[dark compass]

They aren't

[strong viper]

No, the monsters badly wanna be them

[glass sluice]

i mean i guess those ones are, but theyre not the real....oh its confusing

[pale cedar]

Clones

[dark compass]

There are real on-lyne and the government project copies

The copies went coda, actual on-lyne are fine

[solar salmon]

I love the in world onlyne conspiracy its an incredible bit of writing

[fast dew]

Anyways, so Drifter and Roathe just. Randomly says Albrecht has multiple children. Albrecht had children. Which is weird. So I asked Rebecca what the hell was up with tbat

[glass sluice]

and amir said "im in" and hacked them, because it was the 90's

[fast dew]

Turns out this woman likes torturing people

[dark compass]

You just realized?

[fast dew]

And vaguely suggests that he did indeed have multiple kids

[strange turtle]

“I’ve breached the mainframe and bypassed the firewall”

[fast dew]

And that they're maybe dead.

[glass sluice]

"spandex, its a privilege, not a right"

god i need to rewatch that movie

[strong viper]

Well hey i earned the privilege

[fast dew]

This woman. This woman hates me.

If i die when we find out, blame her

[strong viper]

I blame me

I shoulda done Transference

[dark compass]

I bet Amir was ecstatic. He got a data spike just like in the hit movie Cybercop from 1987

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/samurai-hackers-keyboard-cowboys-we-are-samurai-the-keyboard-cowboys-gif-24000545

[strange turtle]

Shoots a guy for the first time

“Guess they couldn’t… hack it”

(is actually breaking down inside)

[solar salmon]

I wonder if those are natural or void related deaths

and how much that plays into his motivations

[strong viper]

I bewildered 200 people on facebook with this exact quote as my status update*

[fast dew]

Roathe suggests that they helped with his experiments, but I doubt he'd do anything to them

[solar salmon]

like I would up and leave if the monster of my creation killed my family too yknow

[glass sluice]

i do love old and terrible movies i saw way too young

[strong viper]

Right? Whole ass genre

[solar salmon]

the fear of it happening to loid when its happened to others and such

[glass sluice]

see also: short circuit. weirdly a shared actor
unfortunately a shared actor. oof.

[dark compass]

Nah, I'd win

[fast dew]

I think Albrecht is more scared that Loid will be wally one day

[strong viper]

Why

[fast dew]

I mean, he saw that fear actualised in the hex

[fast dew]

He's already worried that he himself is wally

[glass sluice]

He may have to ask where he is.
that joke works better if you're not from america.

[strong viper]

Yeah and then i went there and killed everything

[strong viper]

Thats..... conflating it

[solar salmon]

he looks into the untime door one day and its two walls kissing and one of them has a strangely loid shaped half face

[dark compass]

He will obviously give Loid the serum so he could become Limbo and hide from the indifference in the rift

[strong viper]

Its like tron

[dark compass]

[glass sluice]

I can picture loid in a fedora

[dark compass]

Nah it'll just be his glasses in animations

[glass sluice]

m'albrecht

[fast dew]

Do you think he wouldn't be worried about if the guy who can appear as other people, might appear as an other person one day?

[strong viper]

Wally is a reflection of his hopes and fears

Appearing as you yourself to talk to you is classical fae activity

[fast dew]

Never. Long hair don't fit hats often enough.

[fast dew]

Except it isnt?

[high bay]

Did DE add back the Duviri codex whatsits?

[strong viper]

Not just his

[fast dew]

Maybe at the start, as the driving force behind the conceptual embodiment

[strong viper]

The sum of anytjing that touched the void

[glass sluice]

I can confirm, you need to ponytail it up to even fit a hat alright. and it looks weird unless its a cap.

[strong viper]

So you aint wrong nah

[fast dew]

Which. Even then, is mainly based on fear

[strong viper]

Yes. So the entire point is to confront and expose fear

And to counteract indifference as the means

With Love and Empathy.

[glass sluice]

I really hope the solution to defeating the indifference isnt to sing in a circle

[fast dew]

Except. Thats not... what conceptual embodiment... is? It rips from the mind to form something but it isnt a reflection nor does it have a definite point

Half the reason love works against wally is because it makes it harder for him to isolate people

[strong viper]

Not a perfect reflection so much as a replicant, right

[glass sluice]

they hire Werner Herzog to show up, we sing at him, and he leaves.
hell no.

[dark compass]

I can picture picking Loid as a skin and him going "And for the next trick!" In his usual slightly tired tone

[strong viper]

Yes.

[solar salmon]

it seems to be the preventative measure but not the solution lmaoo

[strong viper]

The moon still crashes down on kirsten

Melancholia.

[fast dew]

"And for my next trick - Ekhein to the face."

[tall echo]

-# I look good in hats

[solar salmon]

and even then it doesnt help nearly as much if you go into someones house and sing at em when theyre ready to unleash the horrors on you

[tall echo]

-# I like hats

[fast dew]

I like hats too, if i could find it, id show the collection of 20+ hats

[glass sluice]

i would probably leave my house if someone walked in and started singing

to call the cops, but still

[dark compass]

The void cops

[solar salmon]

thats why lotus was doing it while mitw was calling her into his house

[strong viper]

Lappel du vide

[fast dew]

I got this hat tho

[glass sluice]

one day we're gonna have to admit to arthur that we stole his phone.

[solar salmon]

she didnt step past the threshold but she was singin her ass off

[fast dew]

Forever flexing hehe

[strong viper]

L'appel du vide!!!

[fast dew]

Wasn't it Albrecht who stole it?

[strong viper]

Call of the Void!

[tall echo]

I have 4 hats all hanging off the golden plastic replica skull on my wall

[strange turtle]

Close! We’ll trap him in The Circle, and join hands with Yareli, Nokko, Grandma, Nightcap and all the Sprodlings as we chant and seal him away in the roots and fruits, converting the whole ecosystem into the Nononos

[fast dew]

Albrecht steals a lot of shit

[dark compass]

Wally bossfight and it's a singing shawzin minigame

[glass sluice]

its on my orbitor, so i dont think he'll care that much

[fast dew]

Its like. Part of his whole thing

[strong viper]

It aint love if you dont kill shit for it

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/screwed-smiling-friends-gif-14004208455676196700

[fast dew]

He steals shit like a feral raccoon

[glass sluice]

i put it next to nora's station, so 2 ear-piercing tones can play at once

[fast dew]

Doesnt eat pizza crusts eithrt

[strong viper]

Wasteful

[fast dew]

99% sure hes autistic too

It has olives on it, i would rather starve

[strong viper]

I eat every bite of anything I pay for.

I will.extact the olives

[glass sluice]

"i paid for the container, im eating the container"

[strong viper]

They do not belong on my pizza

[fast dew]

High chance Albrecht didnt even pay for it

[solar salmon]

do you think thats why rell managed the man in the wall so well, his brains just like the void's papa's

[strong viper]

If edible, yes. If not, I use it as something else

I am POOR.

[glass sluice]

dont go wasting food now.
you eat your plastic container!

fibre

[fast dew]

I think the autism actually negatively impacted Rell and is why he was so easily exposed to Wally

[tall echo]

He threw an obol at the manager and was promised pizza for life

[dark compass]

Entrati? Sharing obols?

[strong viper]

There are ventikids starving in fortuna who would be GLAD your drink came in styrofoam...

[tall echo]

There's empty spots on his coat

[glass sluice]

I can picture albrecth as the kinda guy who would bring his own dirty fork to a pizza place to get free food.

[fast dew]

Reckon his very existence in 1999 crashed the gold stock market

[solar salmon]

gold cutlery to match the nails and fit

hes incredibly extra

[fast dew]

Albrecht is a pathetic rat of a man whod go through the trash.

[strong viper]

I hate gold cutlery btw

It is ineffective

[glass sluice]

he once put a diamond-studded mouse into a coke bottle, but it just confused them

[fast dew]

Theres no reason other than him being a mucking vegan or smthn for him to have a veggie pizzia

[tall echo]

I just hate gold

electrum is better

[strong viper]

I dont as as a visual but as a metal

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-i-love-gold-goldmember-gif-19735343

[dark compass]

Wasn't it on-lyne who promoted it?

[strong viper]

Mehhh.. oh yeah electrum is better lmao

[tall echo]

I had to make a joke I actually love gold

[fast dew]

Oh good GOD why is this man so damn. Autistic.

[solar salmon]

lavos after being left to his own devices for a few years

[strong viper]

I like it in alloys.

[fast dew]

BECAUSE I WOULD DO THAT

[strong viper]

Gold is.... weak

[glass sluice]

silver fits my skin tone more, but i can deal with gold

[fast dew]

I HAVE DONE THAT

[strong viper]

Silver is more my style

[strange turtle]

Maybe he just wanted to try the 1999 veggies

[strong viper]

Transmutes electrons better than gold

[fast dew]

God I hate Albrecht

[strong viper]

But nobody talks about that.

[fast dew]

Damn Autisitc ass old ass man i want to kick his face in

[strange turtle]

In that case

Have you considered. Lavos Green

[fast dew]

Steal his docs and kick his face in with them

[strong viper]

????

[solar salmon]

I want his hat

[strong viper]

I like geens

[strange turtle]

Transmute

[strong viper]

Oh lol

[dusty folio]

i may have a crazy idea of what the infested/techrot were origionally

[fast dew]

Comet from out of space?

[glass sluice]

y2k virus, yeah

[dark compass]

I this it was a devshort topic that got brought up multiple times.

"When Albrecht clothes for drifter?*
"Not the time*

[fast dew]

Some frozen bacteria unthawed?

[solar salmon]

I hope they bring it back on the merch store tbh

[fast dew]

Nah it was bad

That hat sucked

[solar salmon]

it was a sucky hat??

[fast dew]

He doesnt have obols, on the hat

[tall echo]

What, are we gonna steal his clothes at some point

[solar salmon]

falling to my knees in despair

[dark compass]

Inb4 he dies dramatically at the end of the arc and the hat is a quest reward for the mission

[fast dew]

The had had embroidered circles of gold, ingame. That irl hat did not.

[solar salmon]

I might have to make it myself in that case

[fast dew]

And apparently, from memory, the obols the hat did have, were poorly attached

[solar salmon]

its such a good hat

[tall echo]

The had

[strange turtle]

The mould from Gregory V’s crusty-ass leftovers that got out of hand after he left them in a hotel?

[fast dew]

Thank you scrap, its late and I did not see the typo

[fast dew]

[tall echo]

The typo scanner does his job

[glass sluice]

ive spelt albrecth wrong every single time, dw about typos in here.

[dark compass]

Kahlbrecht

[glass sluice]

i even used "old albie" at one point.

[fast dew]

Eugh

Even Mother doesn't use that word

[glass sluice]

hey when he talks to his daughter, ill look up how to spell his name.

[tall echo]

I think brecht is a good way to refer to him

Just brecht

[glass sluice]

because he's not all there anymore, i like it

[fast dew]

She only refers to her dad as "my father"

Albrecht doesnt know of her new name, so he uses Euleria

[tall echo]

No bc it's close to the german "brechen", which means "to puke"

[fast dew]

Her birth name

[glass sluice]

Don't give me ammo here, I don't want to start calling him "all brekkie".

[dusty folio]

Rag's crazy infested(/techrot) theory/speculation
For those of us who read the kim convorsation, we know that the band onlyne were cloned by a sketchy company, and most likely they cloned their workers to save money. however what if origionally it was something to deal with world hunger and the trash problem and got altered. And the alterations caused the hive mind crap and the mutations down the lyne.

[dark compass]

Abracadabra

[glass sluice]

Albrecabradabra Entratikazam.

[fast dew]

This is why Albrecht threw himself into the void.

[glass sluice]

turns out he read this chat first, he just made up the whole fingers thing.

the one on the RJ is from amazon

[dark compass]

You type with your fingers

[fast dew]

I still believe him throwing himself into the void both times was an attempt to off himself

[dark compass]

To reunite with his flock, eh?

[glass sluice]

"i wanna see tagers wife again, no not like that"

okay that felt like too much, my bad.

[fast dew]

Also something cool and interesting that folk haven't talked about enough

Albrecht's arranged marriage and the woman he did not like

[glass sluice]

do we know her name?

[silk atlas]

no

Wait.

[fast dew]

Gerivaine, what are you on 😭

[silk atlas]

I forgor

[dark compass]

Is this related to your comment above

[glass sluice]

hey now, im taken.

irl, not just ingame

[dark compass]

Hostage

[glass sluice]

i mean a little, but she's cool about it.

[dark compass]

What about it?

[fast dew]

Idk folk just dont talk about it

Much like Albrecht himself

[glass sluice]

nah im just asking if we know his bride-to-be's name

[fast dew]

No, it was his wife. He doesnt even acknowledge her as that

[silk atlas]

Yeah because she's not important outside of Euleria existing

There's nothing to talk about

[glass sluice]

i know this would be a little "the only 3 people in the world are mates" kinda thing, but imagine if it was a certain orokin starting with M.

[fast dew]

Yeah but. Dude we got. We got new information

...who?

[fast dew]

Albrecht could've had multiple kids

[silk atlas]

You mean from Roathe?

[fast dew]

From Rebecca!

[silk atlas]

Oh!

[glass sluice]

[fast dew]

I asked her bcs this shit was plaguing me

Genuinely lost sleep over it

[glass sluice]

to this day, i still feel a little overly proud of myself for slghtly figuring out transferrence before second dream.
solely due to the rhino codex.
not like, fully or anything. but more than i would've otherwise.

[fast dew]

Tldr Albrecht seems to have multiple kids and they might be dead, and i think its from the same thing that killed their (presumably) mother

[glass sluice]

You know, we have no idea how old albrecth actually is

[fast dew]

A few centuries

Maybe more

[glass sluice]

he could be like, a teenager to most orokin.

[fast dew]

Ehh. No I doubt that

[glass sluice]

think about it though, wild experiments, not taking proper precautions.

[fast dew]

He was just generally regarded as weird and that was it

[dark compass]

Are you comparing him to... Darvo?

[fast dew]

Nah he was just weird for that lol

[glass sluice]

@dark compass dun dun DUN

[fast dew]

Thats why he was given a wife

[glass sluice]

nah but for real, i dont think he's as old as he first comes across

[fast dew]

To calm his ass down

[dark compass]

To not be like Darvo

But Darvo found Clem instead

[fast dew]

He is at least over 2 centuries

[glass sluice]

for an orokin, would 2 centuries really be that long?

when you cant ever truly die, time is measured in events.

[fast dew]

That is the minimum. Thats not counting that he saw both grandchildren grow up too

Loid is at a minimum of 60 years of age, precryo

[glass sluice]

age really is just a number to them. 60 to them is not 60 to us.

what im saying is, its entirely possible that the whole ablrecth story is going to tie in to existing characters elsewhere

[fast dew]

... like?

He's been around for a while now

The orokin empire he saw till the second half of the old war

[glass sluice]

the orokin empire have been gone for an unknown period of time now.
actually 1 sec, did we ever get a concrete answer to how teshin/stalker are still around?was it just cryo?

[fast dew]

Teshin never went through cryo i dont think, and warframes just last a long ass time

[glass sluice]

stalker was a "low guardian" before the fall of the empire, unless thats been retconned.

im like 90% sure it mentioned him being that at the naga thingy

i would like to find out just how teshin lived however many years it was, I know we'll never get a concrete answer though.

[gentle isle]

I think dax are just made to last long

[glass sluice]

living forever without the use of kuva is unlikely

its sort of hinted that its been what, thousands of years?

[silk atlas]

At least a couple thousand

[gentle isle]

All we know is dax are enhanced super warriors obedient to the orokin

How teshins been around is anyone's guess

[tall echo]

Cryo seems likely

Varzia was in cryo, why not teshin too

[glass sluice]

i assumed cryo, but the queens taking control over him again does make me think that he was a puppet of theirs for a chunk of that time

[gentle isle]

Oh forgot varzia was in cryo

[glass sluice]

who knows, maybe a kuva situation.
that would explain it, if its even possible for him to do that

[silk atlas]

He wouldn't have had access to Continuity, being not-Orokin

Best to just assume cyro or he tanked it and simply got super old

[glass sluice]

i cant handle it just being him alive the entire time, it makes a mockery of the time jump.

[dark compass]

He shield-gated through aging

[pale cedar]

Duviri certainly took offence to Teshin being old but not looking old

[glass sluice]

different teshin though, right?

[silk atlas]

No

[pale cedar]

No

[silk atlas]

That's why the Narmer veil is there

[dark compass]

He is our Teshin, he was found there and nursed back

[pale cedar]

Dude was thrown into Duviri

[glass sluice]

wait, so the teshin in the conclave is the same teshin in duviri?
even though Drifter says in the KIM talks that he's still in there?

[dark compass]

Teaser before duviri came out even had his swords

[silk atlas]

...It's a hologram in the Conclave after TNW

[pale cedar]

Teshin in conclave isn’t Teshin at all anymore

[glass sluice]

so we nursed him back to health, then locked him away again for fun?

[silk atlas]

No

[pale cedar]

It’s not the first time this game has shown us that Cephalons can create Holograms either we had Lotus hologram for a bit

[silk atlas]

Someone found him in Duviri

[glass sluice]

he's still canonically in duviri.

[pale cedar]

Yes

[silk atlas]

A lot of characters from that time aren't any worse for wear in the present day of WF.

[pale cedar]

No content after Duviri has shown us Teshin leaving Duviri

[glass sluice]

yeah nah, not gonna accept that he just tanked the years.

[dark compass]

Mathila actually!!! She saved him and nursed him back to health

The happy one

[glass sluice]

we know he's still in duviri, since the kim convos are pretty clear on that part.
i am so lost on why he went into duviri. Did he only go in there after a while, or was it a time travel thing where he was there from the start?
because drifter says that teshin taught them how to fight.

[pale cedar]

Teshin is also deteriorating in Duviri

[silk atlas]

Did you forget his head getting snapped in TNW and him being sent into the portal?

[glass sluice]

Yes, it's been literal years.

[silk atlas]

Ah

But yeah he didn't willingly go into Duviri

[glass sluice]

also the start of new war was super distracting for me, since the drifter reveal of my operator was spoiled, since they changed the VA before that.

[pale cedar]

I did say he was thrown into Duviri

[glass sluice]

so he was only in there after a while, I guess early enough in the drifters timeline that they grew up with him there.

which means time isnt linear for them, which makes sense.

[pale cedar]

He was thrown in when Operator got stabbed

[gentle isle]

I think you should probably replay tnw lol

And duviri paradox for that matter

[glass sluice]

so he taught the drifter how to fight from presumably years and years back, but was only in there for the 5 year time jump.
i think i need a lie down.

[silk atlas]

Who said it was 5 years?

[gentle isle]

Where does it say the drifter "grew up" with teshin?

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-warframe-orvius-duviri-tpose-gif-2184915799053127106

[glass sluice]

"taught them how to fight" doesnt happen in a month

[silk atlas]

Also Duviri time loops after Drifter wants to escape and Thrax tries to hold them hostage.

[pale cedar]

It can

[gentle isle]

Wasn't it like a 1 minute tutorial

[silk atlas]

Teshin was there for at least some time looping, given how he talks to Drifter

[glass sluice]

yeah the way drifter talks about teshin in the kim convos, they knew each other for a long time.
refers to him as a "mentor".

[strong viper]

Thanks i hate myself

[glass sluice]

I think im getting the 5 year time jump from how similar the plot is to a certain timejump in SWTOR.
the villain even has a similar plan to absord energy from the galaxy to leave it.

[gentle isle]

Yea I can see the drifter being with teshin for some time in the loops but when you said the drifter grew up with him it sounds like you think the drifter new teshin even before acquiring the lotus' hand

[strong viper]

Yeah no he is just karate affirmation senseidad

Lotus is mom. Trust

[glass sluice]

drifter knew teshin from within durivi only, that much is clear

[silk atlas]

There's no mention of how long any of the stuff took place. DE keeps that stuff vague on purpose.

[strong viper]

Easier to not retcon when you dont establish

[fast dew]

I mean. The cetus kids are still kids

[gentle isle]

I know time in the void is screwy but nothing we've seen suggests this

[glass sluice]

@silk atlas its honestly freaky how similar the plots are, now that I think about it.
id be shocked if there wasnt a swtor fan on the team. its not like, totally unique, but an MMO and all, I'd put plat down on it.

you even show up to the fight youre sure you are going to win, then lose so badly everyone has to work together.

[strong viper]

Ehhhh at least they havent messed up like swtor did with quo est quid

[glass sluice]

no hate to swtor, its still going strong after what, 14+ years.

almost 15 now. damn.

[strong viper]

It was fun but they literally made their second big bad their first

And for no reason

Other than The Game

[glass sluice]

its technically the same person, although the fact that the movies stole the plot will be forever hilarious to me

[strong viper]

Smh they should have just done yuuzan vong and thrawn

Silly.

[glass sluice]

just need a starforge movie and we're sorted

[strong viper]

Totally. And apparently we are getting an old republic show

And a new rpg

[gentle isle]

Damn I lost

[glass sluice]

its not like, proper old republic unfortunately, but i do enjoy old setting star wars more

i know its a thing people like to clown on, but Outlaws was really good, and one in that style in the old setting would be very nice.

[strong viper]

Yeah like, we get the future and the skywalker legacy is a nice bow

Show us more of how the jedi and sith got to BE like... that

I unironically enjoyed The Acolyte

[tall echo]

It did happen kinda quickly

[glass sluice]

i love all the weird deep lore cuts of it, more of that and less that one family, thanks!

[glass sluice]

that was a rocky style montage. eye of the tiger was just too expensive.

[tall echo]

I will shoot you with my signature 220% cc lex

It's funny that I call it my signature gun yet I rarely use it

[glass sluice]

I renamed my twin lex primes "ebony and ivory" like 6 years ago now, and still dont regret it

[tall echo]

I can't get the stuff to make aklex but it's a downgrade anyways

[glass sluice]

you say that, but all i see are dmc guns

[gentle isle]

too bad only the singular lex has the incarnon

[glass sluice]

I was too plat poor at the time to make Galatine Prime "Rebellion"

oh this was YEARS before the incarnons.
wait i said 6, this was back like, 2017 i wanna say. possibly earlier.

[tall echo]

Can they kill lvl 150 SP rj gunners in 1 shot

[glass sluice]

lol, rj.

[tall echo]

...Rj is scaled higher than regular star chart

I know there's no SP rj but simulacrum

[glass sluice]

i named these about....lets say 9 years ago, possibly longer.
aint none of that was a factor at the time

[gentle isle]

a guy can dream

[tall echo]

Indeed

As an rj enjoyer, I crave more rj content

[dark compass]

Rebb made a promise

We should hold her accountable

[strong viper]

I just want prime akbronco vulgar sobbing

I hate being mr 13

I am tired of waiting for the squid game rank ups 😭

[strange turtle]

So did Steve

[dark compass]

Unlike Steve, Rebb usually delivers on them

https://tenor.com/view/rebecca-ford-warframe-sirocco-gif-2771293212020097233

[tall echo]

I don't want it but I've invested too much time to bin it all

[strong viper]

My prime inventory is seriously lacking on weapons. I have a nice array of frames who all just focus on damage mostly but ehh

Im tired of using acceltra every game. Very bored of it by now

And i atill want a grenade laumchrrle type mote so that aint the issue

Just like a really good song played on the radio too much

Because its that or zhuge prime or MR fodder. I need better primary guns

[tall echo]

Just start building stuff

[strong viper]

I have a nice inherited dojo to help with that so you're right.. questing pulled me from mr farming for a bit

[tall echo]

I have collected a totally normal amount of weapons bc I keep every weapon I think is fun and good enough

[strong viper]

Right, same by now

But i only really use zhuge prime and acceltra base. And like. I need more options lol

Loved quanta so i am thinking of farming Mutalist Quanta.

[tall echo]

Imma start listing weapons like ye olde pokerap

Not really, that'd take too long

[strong viper]

I still trust in your ability to do it but thanks

XD

[tall echo]

I'm able to, just too lazy

[strong viper]

Game sees game

[tall echo]

My brain is telling me to play elden ring so it won't let me get too distracted

[strong viper]

Oooo, on pc?

I have it on psn.

Just made zephyr. My heart leapa

[silk atlas]

<@&778745217037238293>

[strong viper]

Nice! Did you have to have vauban to get the new skin?

[north jolt]

I think?

[strong viper]

Dang

Dont got him yet

But would love that look

[north jolt]

I mean like, its a VAUBAN skin so you cant really put it on anyone but Vauban

[strong viper]

Right, but i want him

[north jolt]

But you can get base Vauban easily from nightwave shop

[strong viper]

So i will have him later

Oh cool. But bit late to get the skin now innit

[north jolt]

The skin just became available today

[strong viper]

Yes

[north jolt]

Oh sh*t this is lore?

My bad

[gentle isle]

[tall echo]

Ye

[strong viper]

Dang, wish i could play with ya

Oh well. We always have frame

[tall echo]

I am cursed, alas, to suffer the dlc alone

[strong viper]

I wait for my brither to catch up so we can do it togethrr

As famile

[tall echo]

Not counting the GOAT summons called black knight commander andreas and banished knight oleg

[peak ether]

Just had to reset the triad because roathe became anathema or however you spell it, do i have to finish the hell misions 21 times again?

[gentle isle]

kim is currently bugged, it's recommended you stay away from it for now: #game-updates message

[strong viper]

Question, is the original Amar still somewhere on Tau? I doubt he would have been defeated, considering how major a threat Archon Amar was, and the Archons as I know it are cheap imitations of the sentient deities. So if we were to go to Tau present day, would we encounter Amar and the others rampaging without the flowers to calm them?

[normal mountain]

Probably not
Because the Archon Amar is the original
He got a body transplant onto a warframe

[fast dew]

I got dragged to the fandom wiki page for the entrati family and. Albrecht's descriptions is. Incomplete. And kalymos is there!

[ocean geyser]

the
archons ARE those same sentients

seeing him on tau was supposed to be the realization of how "oh my god so that's what he used to look like"

as someone else put it

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[fast dew]

"Those savage jaws weren't made to bite" or whatever the lotus says

[ocean geyser]

it was supposed to make you do that

[strange turtle]

Not deities, Pazuul just made it all culty.

The Archons also seem to be “Individual-Type” Sentients, the ones that don’t need the flowers and were made “naturally” rather than through Fragmentation.

Like Natah, Erra, Hunhow and Praghasa

[ocean geyser]

then again amar had the blue energy an stuff

[silk atlas]

I doubt the idea of them being made without fragmentation would change the whole hivemind stuff, given that even "fragments" has blue stuff

[ocean geyser]

that's kinda what i mean lmao

given the reason they were even blue is because of the Xenoflora

[wanton mauve]

In Isleweaver, is the Rusalka that talks the actual Rusalka, Wally, both, or are they now effectively always one person who is a combination of both?

[silk atlas]

Both. Rusulka let Wally into her mind

[wanton mauve]

Ah, and that is the same thing Wally has been trying to get the operator to do right?

[silk atlas]

We don't know what Wally wants

[wanton mauve]

Okay. I have done The Hex, but havent started doing heart events for them. It seems like they remember dying right? So Lettie remembers Eleanor trying to gobble her up right? But Eleanor appears to not be heavily corrupted by the void stuff after the reset?

[strange turtle]

…that was Infestation

But yeah, that was only because she was connected to the Hivemind

And yeah, they do remember

[strong viper]

Wait, if Elanor remembers being (fully) infested, doesn't that mean she could be controlled at any time since Infestation hivemind goes across time?

[strange turtle]

No because it isn’t the memory that matters

[strong viper]

So... What did matter? Because the only thing that was different was Elanor going a little kill happy.

[strange turtle]

Do you remember what she actually did with the legacyte at the zoo and that whole sequence

It’s that

[strong viper]

But that happens across any version. She always kills the legacyte. She doesn't kill Lettie because we tell her "No, bad." But she still killed it in that time.

Legacyte still goes "Pls goth mommy mercy" and she just says "Nah, just die lol."

I mean, it could just be that we're always telling her no now that she's been infested, but that doesn't change that she could be fully taken over by the hivemind.

[silk atlas]

It was just a small lapse, and it's not like she's always deeping with the Infested taking over at the same strength the whole time. All that and the issue is kicked down the line with the loop

You build up enough of a bond with her and the rest to make sure they don't screw up like last time after the first loop

[fast dew]

Other than to harm Albrecht and to get fingers

[trail light]

Hey, how many prime war frames survived the war between the Oregon and them

[silk atlas]

However many DE decides there are

We have no specific numbers on the amount of anything surviving because that writes them into a hole that would make expanding the lore later harder.

[echo ruin]

Hey does anyone know what this thing is? I found it in Lyons lua circulus scene

[tall echo]

THE OREGON

[trail light]

Hey, I got a question are war frames part human because Jade was able to give birth as a war frame question

[ocean geyser]

Someone photoshop the Orokin symbol overtop Oregon

[ocean geyser]

Huh

Oh

[rancid tinsel]

are we gonna die from dysentery?

[tall echo]

have you played the sacrifice quest

[ocean geyser]

I mean they know about Jade

[trail light]

Yes, I have but I’m just confirming some things

[ocean geyser]

So unless they got spoilered

[ocean geyser]

Warframes are human

[trail light]

No, I did not get spoiled. I played throughout the game.

[ocean geyser]

As the Sacrifice directly tells you

They made da helminth “gardens” and infected people with them

[tall echo]

then ye gotta pay more attention, warframes, originally, were made by putting a specific type of infestation into humans

[trail light]

Yeah, I wasn’t exactly listening to that part. Thank you also, what creeps me out about the prime war frames is how painful it is to turn into a war frame, especially the umbrel excalibur

[tall echo]

jade was pregnant before being turned, frames can't get pregnant

[tall echo]

fun fact: the protoframes are all likely in constant agony bc of the slowed transformation

[trail light]

And every year it resets, correct

[tall echo]

yea

[ocean geyser]

Hence why you should pay attention lol

Anyway

“The 'Helminth' was created, born to yield these new warriors, worthy of battle against you. The great and terrible Hunhow. We took our greatest, volunteers or not, and polluted them with these cultured reagents. They transformed. They became Infested... ... but only just. Their skin blossomed into sword-steel. Their organs, interlinked with untold resilience. Yet their minds were free of the Infested madness. Or so we thought.”

[trail light]

That makes a lot sense

But do you think any of the prime war frames are still alive like in some why

[ocean geyser]

All warframes are alive, prime or not
Just kind of braindead

Prime frames just use Orokin tech, not much else

[trail light]

Like they lost their conscience

[brittle siren]

wait so Lettie and Quincy getting a rank down is a bug right?

[ocean geyser]

Yes
As the Orokin did to try and make them easier to control

[brittle siren]

My god I thought they have new things but ig not

[trail light]

But then how would they rebel like did some war frames retain some conscience?

[ocean geyser]

The fact that they lost their conscience requires them to have one in the first place

The very first warframes were sapient
We call them first generation frames

Then they all either went insane or went into hiding, prompting the Orokin to exterminate most of them

Then the Second Generation ones were made when the Tenno were found

Which are the ones that are braindead

[trail light]

They probably went insane from maybe being in a metal body, unable to feel anything

Also do you think they will regain their conscience anytime soon?

[ocean geyser]

They went insane due to the infestation stuff

Also because the Orokin tortured and drugged them to try and make commanding them easier

Which went as well as you’d expect this to
This, by the way
Is also mentioned in the Sacrifice

[trail light]

Yes, they absolutely got demolished by the war frame

[ocean geyser]

Well that was after the Tenno came into play

[trail light]

Also, the reason I’m asking if they could regain the conscience they had is that they infested which are a hive mind

[ocean geyser]

I mean
I doubt it?
There’s only shreds of ot

Which comes in the form of small memories that bleed into the Tenno’s own
It’s also why each frame has animation sets

[trail light]

So maybe if the tenno could go into the mind of each war frame and somehow give them their memories back it’s my guess really because like umbrella Excalibur he was still sentient somehow after we craft him

[ocean geyser]

Because we basically used his remains to as a basis for rebuilding him
Besides that, the unique transference bolt he was fitted with stores his memories

Maybe you oughta replay the sacrifice

[trail light]

So basically, if you wanted to restore the memories to the war frames, we would have to use the war frames original remains, i’m just having fun talking to people also it’s nice to chat

[ocean geyser]

Maybe???

Umbra’s just a special case ig

We also do rebuild him right after he dies so

Yk

[trail light]

I agree, so possibly we could never rebuild through the other war frames because by now where the actual game takes place of us waking up the remains could’ve withered away right now

[ocean geyser]

Probably
Although there’s probably more nuance to it

[trail light]

Yeah, like the void frame he’s made of multiple different war frames original parts

[ocean geyser]

Ah Xaku
They’re neat

Comes with the bonus of using this meme

[keen latch]

Did anyone elses KIM system randomly revert some convo states?

No input.

[silk atlas]

#game-updates

[keen latch]

Ah, thank you.

[north jolt]

Side note, but imagine how existentially freaky it would be to have whole or parts of your memories and personalities spread across multiple identical bodies at once all the time

[tall echo]

Lyon

[north jolt]

Exactly

[restive river]

Who you talkin bout
Certainly not Xaku since they’re not a he nor she

[swift sentinel]

Using he/him is straight the most wrong you can be about Xaku. They were femme in concept, and are now NB, but never masc.

[old wharf]

Could humanity beat the techrot?

[fast dew]

Absolutely not.

[old wharf]

No pinky promises?

[humble sierra]

Only one man can

https://tenor.com/view/hayden-tenno-tenno-suit-up-warframe-excalibur-gif-16279678330342086941

John Warframe

[drowsy saddle]

Nah we'd win, just one more radiation war bro, trust.

[fast dew]

Brotato, not even the orokin could. Masters of genetic engineering, could fully tame the infestation

[drowsy saddle]

Should've invested in more pylons nukes

[old wharf]

Fr

Stinkys

[limber hull]

So i was wondering, in the sacrifice umbra regenerates part of his head.
Is regeneration a common trait to all warframes? Or is just umbra with some other frames.
Could this regen be a way to canonize healing?

[drowsy saddle]

infestation can regrow incredibly fast

and the techrot tank is stated to heal the same way warframes do

[fast dew]

Thanks to the helminth's... milk

[midnight ice]

canonize healing?

[drowsy saddle]

milk of human kindness

[fast dew]

Strong.... strong looks for the milk of human kindness....

[limber hull]

Like red orbs, or being healed by a teammate. Because warframes could lose limbs or get scars, but suddenly they are at full health.

[midnight ice]

yes, infested grow really fast, and you could flavour healing orbs as either some form of biomass or "fuel" to induce the healing

off-mission helminth repairs us

[drowsy saddle]

he slurps the frame like he does to pets

[midnight ice]

your beloved mesa prime gets slurped, gargled, and spat out with full health

[fast dew]

My beloved yellowjacket garuda gets eaten occasionally

[drowsy saddle]

idk if its just me, but using he/him pronouns on helminth makes all the actions helminth does funnier/more disgusting

[fast dew]

Yellowjacket as in the. Wasp?

[limber hull]

I just named him John

[lean garden]

why not just use hee/hee

[fast dew]

Well folk can't sexualise men as much

[fast dew]

Im gonna hit you.
-# this is a joke

[midnight ice]

just a dude doing some nonsense to your frames at all times

[fast dew]

Jokes on them thats my full time job. Writing old man yaoi

[dark compass]

Helminth's gender is defined by whatever warframe it consumed last

[glass sluice]

congrats at getting hired for DE's writing department.

[glass sluice]

I'm just going to keep feeding mine Xaku, screw the haters.

[fast dew]

Unfortunately if i got hired at DE, Id write the most insufferable, most cringe ass shit regarding Albrecht

[glass sluice]

As long as you add in "and they were roommates", I'm down for it.

[fast dew]

No, not even that

I need this man being cringe

I need to see more of this man's "tortured love poetry"

[glass sluice]

It's a joke based on old assumptions of being quiet about the gay stuff. Sort of based on stuff about Oscar Wilde, etc.
Like, 2 guys could get married and adopt kids, but people would say "and they were roomates" in history books.

What?

[dark compass]

Sorry, meant to reply

[dark compass]

Do you want it to turn into Minerva/Velimir kim chat?

[fast dew]

No but I will kill to see Loid gripe and groan about Albrecht more. In a more domestic setting. "Albrecht would never eat" "Albrecht can't wash his clothes because he forgets" ect

[dark compass]

"Albrecht brought home a golden maw. Again"

[midnight ice]

asides from all its atrocities being trans must be awesome as an Orokin. you could get archimedeans to make whatever prosthetic you want top and bottom. portable boobies? you got it my Golden Lord

[fast dew]

"Albrecht was late to an appointment and we nearly got jade light'd"

[dark compass]

Magnetic attachment

[glass sluice]

@midnight ice Or just jump into the body of a screaming person of the gender you want.
ya know, skip the prosthetics.

[midnight ice]

yeah but continuity asides

[fast dew]

I certainly have enough binders for myself, one has frogs on it

[glass sluice]

I actually didn't know what binders were until like, 5 years ago.

[midnight ice]

telescoping Little Orokin Tower? do you want it in sentient colors or the ancient earth "hot rod" antique coloring scheme

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

They're great! They make it hard to breathe sometimes, and they kinda hurt my back, but thats because im god's biggest joke and he gave the trans man huge. I wont finish that sentence

[idle fog]

so since spoilers allowed here

LOTUS IS PLURAL????

[midnight ice]

wh

[fast dew]

Kinda?

[glass sluice]

@fast dew lol, dw i get ya.
not a thing i have to deal with, but you have my sympathy.

[fast dew]

You could see it as such

[dark compass]

Lotus is/was 3 different people at some point in time

[midnight ice]

(also, my partner with the same issue always forgets to take off his binders after 12 hours and i have to remind, i hope you do and take care of yourself 😭)

[midnight ice]

technically 2, if you ||don't count lotus and natah as different entities?||

or i may just be talking out of my ass

[dark compass]

Uhhhhhhhhhh game definitely seems to be treating them separately

[midnight ice]

hm

[idle fog]

nuhhhh tuhhhh

[dawn shuttle]

Technically 0 if you don't count ||lotus, natah or margulis||

[midnight ice]

||the way i understand it is there is Marge and Natah, Natah gets overwritten with Marge and turns to the Lotus||

[glass sluice]

She definitely does choose which one she wants to be at the end.
I never understood why her choice would be anything but Lotus, it just seems the best choice for her character growth.

[fast dew]

Ha. No. No I do not. I have fallen asleep in them.

[midnight ice]

||so there's only Archimedean Margulis and Natah-reprogrammed||

[dark compass]

||Reprogrammed, still a new identity imo||

[glass sluice]

Well, the former is dead, and the latter isn't happy.

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Theres no real reason to choose Margulis outside not paying attention to the lore, or "hurr hurr boobs"

[glass sluice]

Unless Ballas wants to ||"weekend at bernies" Margulis, ||I think we're safe to not pick her.

[midnight ice]

and the marge face looks a bit uncanny to me still

[dawn shuttle]

but she's so cool

[fast dew]

Eh

[dawn shuttle]

ily natah

[fast dew]

Oh. Natah

[midnight ice]

ily natah

[fast dew]

She does look cool, but id rather buy the skin than choose it

[idle fog]

I just know some of y'all saw Natah and was like "would"

[dawn shuttle]

you think im a margulis freak what the hell

[glass sluice]

ew, thats our mum

[idle fog]

OUR MOTHER

[glass sluice]

||hey my operator killed my parents, she's a good replacement.||

[fast dew]

I like loid, but hes an uncle who cares for us like a father

He does this a lot it seems

[idle fog]

Warframe crackship: ||operator x drifter||

[dawn shuttle]

what

[glass sluice]

I hope they do more with the whole "ayatan" thing with the entrati family.
I really hope it wasnt just a 1-timer

[midnight ice]

what

[fast dew]

Albrecht also does this, but for women he sees similar to his daughter

[glass sluice]

anyone but his daughter, oof

his actual daughter: "the hell?"

[fast dew]

This has a name, in fandom spaces. Selfcest. Suddenly its not a crackship

[glass sluice]

@idle fog that would get you put on a list

[fast dew]

Well, no, she is just an adult by the time he left

[midnight ice]

not with that age gap no

[fast dew]

OH YEAH

Sorry I forgot that the operator was a child for a second

[dawn shuttle]

lmao

[glass sluice]

yeah drifter specifically still refers to the operator as a kid.
I think you'd be thrown into a fomorian if you talked about that ingame

[fast dew]

Actually.

[idle fog]

oh wait the operator's a kid??????

[dawn shuttle]

I was surprised that wasn't the first thing pointed out

[dawn shuttle]

yes?? Everyone ever refers to them as such

• they look like a kid

[idle fog]

I thought the gap between the time they slept to the time the first quest started were like ages later

[fast dew]

Ykwhat folk on ao3 would say theres nothing wrong with that

[glass sluice]

"the kid says" direct quote from the KIM.
we dont do "the child is actually 5000 years old so we can date" here. INTO THE SUN

[midnight ice]

that is past crackship. that is at least a 5-10 year age gap

[idle fog]

holy moly we got Gundam esque operators here

child soldiers

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah

[strange plinth]

y- yeah.

[fast dew]

I mean if we're talking age gap, Albrecht could be a whole century older than loid

[strange plinth]

that's like half of the plot, the operator is a child soldier

[fast dew]

Maybe 4

[glass sluice]

loid+albie are at least both adults at base.

[dawn shuttle]

That's a big part of the human element of the warframe story

[idle fog]

oh that explains why the drifter is taller

[dawn shuttle]

lmao

[glass sluice]

operator is a child, like, child-child.

[idle fog]

I'm so stupid

[midnight ice]

do you play the quests with your eyes closed

[fast dew]

Man

[glass sluice]

to be fair, you dont realise just how much taller the drifter is until you see them standing next to each other with the Lotus in the sanctum

[fast dew]

I defend the warframe fanbase time and time again

[dawn shuttle]

blindfold: on
headphones: off
thinking cap: nowhere to be seen
Yeah, it's warframe quest time

[fast dew]

Maybe I should just stop

[glass sluice]

@dawn shuttle I think with wf players its more like "binders OFF"

[dawn shuttle]

TRUTH BOMB

[fast dew]

XATA NUKE

[midnight ice]

packers OFF

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Xata nuke

[idle fog]

uhhh Ballas thinking cap on????

[fast dew]

Sorry gotta. Put my Albrecht here

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-excited-gif-12266754

[idle fog]

I'm like 2-3 quests away from The Old Peace

[dawn shuttle]

I like him thank god he changed his swag since then though

[fast dew]

I want him to go back

[dawn shuttle]

You would

[fast dew]

I want dadbod Albrecht please GOD

[dawn shuttle]

I wouldn't have been able to take him seriously as a blue guy i think

[fast dew]

Because its a sign of him being healthy

Because at least the bastard is eating

[glass sluice]

well if we're going the direction i suspect and he'll be played by Werner Herzog.....

[idle fog]

I always headcanoned that Guilty Gear happened in Warframe universe until I played the 1999 quest

[fast dew]

Nah Albrecht always sounded the way he does

Just. Less stop-starting

[dawn shuttle]

||end of the void arc we get albrecht customization and that's a skin for him||

[fast dew]

Which seem to have come from dax???

[dark compass]

They definitely want Herzog to voice Wally

[glass sluice]

they changed my operator voice with New War, they can change albie too

[dark compass]

That's what he literally did in the trailer

[idle fog]

||teshin still not dead teshin still not dead he's gonna return trust||

[strange plinth]

someone's going to dip him in hot pink paint

[fast dew]

Autismmaxxing out in Höllvania

[fast dew]

Me hi thats gonna be me

:3

[dark compass]

Uh

[fast dew]

He is in fact, not dead

[dark compass]

Uhm

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah but why would they change his beloved VA now

[strange plinth]

you've.. done duviri, right?

[idle fog]

I did it before The New War

[glass sluice]

@dawn shuttle beloved lol

[dark compass]

We might be in the minority, but I also like his blue variant more

[strange plinth]

teshin's alive there, in duviri

[dawn shuttle]

Well i love him

[dark compass]

[dawn shuttle]

Ergo he's beloved

[glass sluice]

is this like a thing where game companies go "the iconic hat" and its just a baseball cap with no distinct markings.

[dawn shuttle]

What

[fast dew]

Oh no, he is well beloved

... maybe by the audience of the audiobooks he narrates

[idle fog]

not gonna lie this game feels like a 60-70 dollar game

[glass sluice]

@fast dew yeah maybe that's it

[fast dew]

Loid's VA also. Narrates audiobooks, I have learned.

Same sort of audiobooks too.

[dawn shuttle]

I didn't know people disliked his voice acting lmao

[dark compass]

Yeah, it's insane how much this game has for being f2p

[fast dew]

I am a learned man.

[glass sluice]

I love that WF is getting new VA's and all, but I do sorta miss how janky just having random devs voice people was.

[fast dew]

Hearing what sounds like Albrecht say a slur was

Wild.

[dark compass]

Teshin got dropped into the void and landed in Duviri alongside the hand

[dawn shuttle]

Hey, 1999 was a different time

[glass sluice]

i can confirm that i heard a lot of slurs in 1999

[dark compass]

One of the big duviri names saved him and nursed him back to health

[fast dew]

Its 2026 and I still hear slurs

Got called a slur for not liking doom eternal, so

They've lost a lot of weight

[dark compass]

"it was a different time back then" no you just weren't exposed to the groups the slurs were used against

[glass sluice]

i was the group they were used against back then

[dawn shuttle]

I fear my joke was missed

[glass sluice]

yeah these days its people trying to be edgy.

[fast dew]

Marthilla?

This. Autocorrected to Marshall

[glass sluice]

Marthilla Mathers.

[dark compass]

Not her name but yeah that's her

[glass sluice]

hey speaking of slurs

[fast dew]

Marthila shrimply transitioned

[dark compass]

The happy one

[fast dew]

Yeah. Marthila?

The pink one

[dark compass]

Mathila

[fast dew]

ITS MATHILA???

im gonna beat Albrecht to death

[dark compass]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Move over Loid, quincy, lettie, Roathe, tagfer- I gotta beat Albrecht to death for dumb names he chose to use

[dawn shuttle]

I uh

[fast dew]

This man infuriates me. So badly.

[dawn shuttle]

How is marthila any better

[fast dew]

MARTHILA IS A NAME IVE SEEN

[glass sluice]

Lettie wanting to beat up albrecht might be an issue,.
just saying

[fast dew]

I CAN PRONOUNCE THAT NAME

[midnight ice]

mart

[dawn shuttle]

You can't pronounce mathila?

[midnight ice]

marty

[fast dew]

I will walk into her skin and forcibly sit her ass down.

[glass sluice]

she might be into that

[fast dew]

Feed her to the helminth

No, no no. Lettie is a dominant woman.

[glass sluice]

shes also a sub

[dark compass]

Yeah well of life is a good subsume

[fast dew]

Thats half the jumpscare with her

[dawn shuttle]

It's like one letter away from mathilda

[fast dew]

Yeah and I cant pronounce Euleria

Nor can I pronounce yellow correctly

[glass sluice]

lettie's a total switch, it's kinda weird at first. but I think it was done so the fanfic writers are tempered

[dawn shuttle]

well see there's your problem

[glass sluice]

if it helps, i cant pronounce anything correctly
or incorrecntly
or at all!

[fast dew]

I struggle with words bcs i learned the words from reading, not listening

[dark compass]

It it helps, I won't pronounce anything

[dawn shuttle]

You just kinda copy how they say it in the game and you're golden

[fast dew]

I was the kid who read obscene amounts of books as a child but never spoke

[fast dew]

Thats the issue i can't. Ive tried and just continue to embarrass myself