lore-discussion

[strange plinth]

xaku's kinda the exception that proves the rule
nokko is whatever the hell nokko is hopefully that gets expanded on later

[brittle siren]

yeah that why I said maybe Xaku since at least they have a base to form from

[restive river]

Nokko would still be designed by an intelligence is the thing

[ashen pulsar]

what would happen is that strain blueprints would be created, original person transformed experiences whatever, strain modifies in response to what happened, from then on all versions of this strain work like the og and NOT the designed ver

[brittle siren]

the fact Yareli knows about Nokko is interesting too

[restive river]

Xaku’s three frames as one, their pieces were designed

[fast dew]

This also could just be ignored if it was one of the cases of "she was primed after her first strain", and its just the modified base frame

[brittle siren]

ah no I'm not trying to disprove you there

[ashen pulsar]

in which case, nokko is interesting bc it means his mushrooms (in any clones of the frame) aren't real and are just helminth recreations.

[restive river]

Ye my point is just that we don’t really have any frames that just
Happened out of nowhere without any rhyme or reason

[fast dew]

Alternatively, shrooms are just another docile variant of the infestation

[brittle siren]

though isnt all the mushroom in Venus is made from infestation?

[ashen pulsar]

she was primed... thousands of years after her base strain?

[ashen pulsar]

idk

[strange plinth]

it was referred to as "decay infestation" in the first devstream that mentioned it iirc

[ashen pulsar]

are they?

[silk atlas]

Mirage? No, what

[restive river]

I guess Nokko was made by Sumo so I’m not even sure the lore there makes sense since the into cinematic don’t make sense if it takes it literally

[brittle siren]

Valkyr

[fast dew]

As in she was primed after that first person, so the prime strain wouldn't be unique, and could he affected by changes to the base frame

[restive river]

Yeah Rebb called it that

[fast dew]

Rebecca moment

[restive river]

Hush

[brittle siren]

Valkyr prime have Alad Valkyr ability

[fast dew]

Pulled out her legal name christ

[restive river]

She’s more reputable than Sumo lol

[ashen pulsar]

valkyr became the one we know very recently

[brittle siren]

who is that may I ask?

[restive river]

DE has outsourced some stuff to them, iirc they’re a studio

I’m uh
Not sure they were given the full lore bible

[fast dew]

That would be the animation team behind the intro cutscene yeah?

[silk atlas]

I was about to ask

[restive river]

Yeah

I guess they did Nokko too :/

[brittle siren]

Nokko?

or Valkyr?

[fast dew]

Sumo. The studio.

[brittle siren]

I mean whose intro cutscene

[restive river]

The intro cutscene

[strange plinth]

the game's
before awakening

[restive river]

Like the first one

Mara shows up and if taken literally it makes no sense as that goes against the story

[ashen pulsar]

it just doesn't make sense lorewise that valkyr's prime strain, from the original orokin empire, has abilities from like 20 years ago. it's solved by accepting that this is just a disconnect between lore and gameplay and doesn't actually matter

[restive river]

My interpretation is it’s like
Us being sent and finding our frame in the “astral plane” or whatever

We can’t physically be there cause we’re on Lua

[fast dew]

Consider that the infestation doesn't have much of a regard for time mayhaps?
-# I need to explain what I said better

[restive river]

Sumo just
Didn’t get the memo??? Somehow???

[strange plinth]

-# the orokin-era valkyr easily could've been tortured into those abilities as well, though
-# if that's a proper requirement

[silk atlas]

Oh boo hoo Valkyr all the frames were tortured you're not special because you have torturee abilities

[ashen pulsar]

I suppose

[restive river]

I’m inclined to believe they don’t know how frames are made so now we have Nokko who may or may not even be infested

[ashen pulsar]

he is a frame underneath a lot of mushroom

which might be infested mushroom idk

[mystic lynx]

The shroom grows on the infestation

[restive river]

It sounded like he was a child that died and got brought back via the circle

The shrooms might be infested, we don’t know

[mystic lynx]

What's Nokko relationship with Yareli that she shows up on a lot of his idle?

[ashen pulsar]

you can see traces of his original frame in his design

[brittle siren]

though it should just our mind is seeking automatically, like when Lotus "controlling" us to kill Erra

not like "oh let's pick these lotuses"

[strange plinth]

"yareli's little brother" was the direction given to the animation team, but its probably not canon

[brittle siren]

does any infested hive exist on Venus?

oh yeah Khora lore confirmed there used to be infestation on Venus

[restive river]

And yet that goes against what we were told so idk where you’re getting that.

[brittle siren]

How early is Nokko appear in Venus? Because I could think Savah, the scientist is also link to Nokko

[restive river]

We don’t know, the undermind might be infested but we don’t know for sure

It seems to predate the Orokin even touching Venus so 🤷‍♀️

I’m going off Sumo just don’t entirely know the story

The intro cinematic and the teacher quest come to mind

They do great work but story-wise what is happening

I still think it’s a bad idea to just outright reveal Teshin is a dax that early when it’s treated as a surprise in the war within.

[fast dew]

Honestly folk should be disregarding a lot of the shit said on devstreams until it's physically supported by what the game tells us

[restive river]

?

[brittle siren]

when did Varzia reveal in the game?

the dax woman

[restive river]

With the first prime resurgence

Like a player can figure it out themselves but i don’t like them just saying it

[fast dew]

If Rebb makes an offhanded comment about something lore related, I personally think people shouldn't take it as 100% irrefutable truth, until the game supports it

[restive river]

I mean yeah but thats not the problem here lol

The problem is Sumo

[fast dew]

Oh no ik i just felt like it

[restive river]

Rebb’s comment makes sense for why Nokko is a frame, it would explain a lot
But nah now we have a random new mushroom hivemind that turned a dead kid into a Warframe cause ???

[dire mountain]

Just for fun

[restive river]

I’m not trying to just hate on Sumo btw
They do fantastic work but this isn’t the first time they just have not known how something works in-universe

[fast dew]

I wonder if thats why we got told Albrecht has multiple kids

The writing for the kimchats are outsourced, yeah?

[brittle siren]

we know that infested already on Venus in Khora lore so if this one was a extension of it, it does not sound strange

[restive river]

Practically iirc

They’re def closer to the writers than Sumo it seems

[fast dew]

Maybe the writer looked up what past writers said about Albrecht's family in the kims and saw kids plural and assumed?

[restive river]

What Khora lore
And it is strange when it’s implied the shrooms predate the Orokin messing with Venus

[brittle siren]

I may be wrong, but Tennocon at narrative part did said they write the Hex no?

[dire mountain]

The hidden messages in the ghoul fragments

[restive river]

Yeah the writing team should ve directly part of the protos

[restive river]

Ah

[dire mountain]

With Sigor Savah and VK-7 (Venari)

[brittle siren]

"I found her sharp gaze unsettling. The way she would watch my every move from her cage unnerved me. When a visitor came I would watch VK-7 studying their habits. In time she came to anticipate regular arrivals, having memorized their schedules. On the morning of my fourth shift I entered my laboratory to find her cage door open and VK-7 gone. One consequence of breathing life back into a world is unintentionally resurrecting life forms and viruses one finds less desirable. The Infestation is both of those things. Reports returned of some hives sites found destroyed... and then of a large beast found at others. An animal intelligent enough to learn and react to Corpus behaviors and patterns. Some claimed it had learned to measure ammunition expenditure to better attack when a target was most vulnerable. Needless to say almost none who attacked the beast survived. This had to be Specimen VK-7."

[restive river]

Anyway
Nokko is weird cause Sumo
Teshin shouldn’t be called a Dax that early (let the player figure it out or be told in War Within)
And the Opening Cinematic only makes sense if you interpret it non-literally

[fast dew]

I do specifically mean the individual kimchats, bcs the first mention of the possible other children could be a typo iirc, given how Roathe says children plural, that one doesnt seem to be one

So like. Game of... telephone?

[brittle siren]

yeah it strange that he call himself a Dax when generally they are the Tenno enemy too

[brittle siren]

It could just have been added tp open for new lore, nothing before mention anything about Albrecht other children

[drowsy saddle]

I mean does Dax mean anything until war within?

[brittle siren]

if anyone have knowledge about Orokin yes

[drowsy saddle]

Which we, the player, don't have until war within right?

[brittle siren]

though it has been ages since the Orokin fall

[strange plinth]

no, but its treated as a reveal in war within
the actual voiceline is much clearer about it than the subtitle

[dire mountain]

If you don't go looking for it

[brittle siren]

yeah we forgor

the Teacher kinda ruined the point of Second Dream

[strange plinth]

huh

[brittle siren]

he should said that he is a mercenary

[drowsy saddle]

Tbf he isn't exactly being sneaky

Popcorn bucket head lookin headahh

[brittle siren]

that would make the end he knows Lotus and Tenno secret more impactful

[strange plinth]

he calls us "child" several times
that man Knows

[brittle siren]

well he is hidden until he appear in Corpus vicinity

[brittle siren]

that's not what I mean

i want him to be subtle about this more

[dire mountain]

Yeah I did enjoy seeing him be a Knower

[drowsy saddle]

Da big K

[dire mountain]

"So simple even a child could do it!"

[brittle siren]

oh that is fine by me

[drowsy saddle]

"It goes into the square hole"

[strange plinth]

he has no reason to be, though? he openly disagrees with Lotus keeping you in the dark, but he isn't going to violate that either

[fast dew]

I wonder if Loid knew the tenno were children before he physically saw the operator

[brittle siren]

I mean beside Orokin we wipe out most Daxes too

[brittle siren]

I think he does

even Father knows

[drowsy saddle]

Makes one wonder how teshin avoided the whole orokin slaughter

[fast dew]

I mean obviously now, but i dont think he knew of us as children when they first met

[strange plinth]

yea? i don't see what that changes
obviously he's aware that we don't remember the old war, he's not putting himself at risk by Being A Dax

[brittle siren]

iirc if you haven't got Second Dream quest yet, Necraloid will said "too soon" to use Necramech

[drowsy saddle]

I thought Loid simply didn't think we, a child, were the chosen operator

Which we aren't, its the drifter

[fast dew]

We are... the chosen operator too

Thats. That is both of us

[drowsy saddle]

Potato potato

[strange plinth]

i'd argue the operator more than the drifter

[fast dew]

Both can use the vessels as they're the same person

[brittle siren]

he does not even know that the Old War ends

also he def understand that without Cryo sleep, Tenno would die of old age too, so he would make a simple conclusion base on what he know

[fast dew]

Cryosleep is becoming increasingly more common in recent lore

[drowsy saddle]

Its a sign! We must stockpile cryotic!

/s

[brittle siren]

I mean Albrecht did meet Thrax, and Drifter is alway by Thrax side

[fast dew]

Drifter wasn't yet able to perform transference, so I don't think he payed much attention to that specifically

Just moreso "random child in the void what the shit"

[strange plinth]

he still mentions needing a chosen operator after finding drifter i believe

• the kalymos sequence only starts once it finds the chosen operator, and it starts after TNW (though it was tracking the operator since they woke up)

[brittle siren]

I mean most citizens there are made of some kind of vase material, while Drifter is fully flesh human

[fast dew]

I still believe that Albrecht also cut the family off before his trip to duviri, if we are to assume he tried to off himself and landed in duviri anyway

We end as we began or whatever

[brittle siren]

Yeah he's definitely on Duviri before the final trip to 1999, and that's before Old War ends

[fast dew]

Reborn in the void, die in the void

Nevermind he just can't die

[drowsy saddle]

I imagine albrecht doing a kratos with Dream On then suddenly splat into the ravenous maw lake

[strange plinth]

oh that reminds me
do we think that lake verula is tied to war within the same way that the rain of chains is likely tied to chains of harrow

[brittle siren]

Tbh he may pick Drifter, take their DNA, and let Pom 2 track whoever matches with that DNA

[drowsy saddle]

Now im wondering what exactly goes on in the Operator's biology

[brittle siren]

My personal take is that just one of the OP's nightmares when they were a kid while reading Duviri.

[drowsy saddle]

Cause there's, voidstuff

[brittle siren]

Human with void fused with their soul ig

Soul kinda exists in a way, since Holdfast and the Void Angel are proof of it.

[strange plinth]

"Void-saturated DNA" according to arthur when spawning a coda

[fast dew]

And thats how Albrecht got the golden maw in his netracells!

[brittle siren]

Drifter def have a tons of void inside them

Like we are talking about a human contact with the void to make a whole book world

[fast dew]

Guh

[strange plinth]

ah that could be an issue with lake verula being tied to war within
obv time is weird in duviri but i don't think it'd be that weird

[brittle siren]

Not even Albrecht could believe this

[fast dew]

That was CE, not wally

[brittle siren]

I'm not even talk about Wally

[fast dew]

OH I READ CONTRACT

[strange turtle]

His fluid

The namer coughed while speaking

Voidtongue gets your throat very dry, too harsh

[strange plinth]

curse of ra but with great indifference sand

[drowsy saddle]

Considering how throaty you have to be to get the right tone

[strange turtle]

When you cough and say Ka at the wrong moment so the sand appears inside you instead of around outside

https://youtube.com/shorts/LkxH_5KHZz8

[strange plinth]

yes

[dire mountain]

Theyre real??????

[fast dew]

Yeah, seems to be

[brittle siren]

What is this?

[torpid quiver]

Me if I see ballas again

[strange plinth]

golden maw in a case in albrecht's labs netracells

[fast dew]

Golden maw, from Duviri, in Albrecht's netracells

[lyric raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/telepathy-telepathic-psychic-mind-reader-meld-gif-13614415

[frosty flame]

Lore wise I don’t even think uriel could exactly have a prime as we can see he’s there at tau and from what I get so far he’s literally just the devil like how Nekros is death

[pale cedar]

Roathe literally says he was there for Prime becoming a Prime so yes there can lore-wise

[frosty flame]

ohhhhh

I’ve lowk been avoiding talking to roathe

[pale cedar]

Listen to his Devil of Tau speech

[swift sentinel]

It sounds like Uriel Prime was either the first or a ceremonial Uriel, like a special individual version, and the rest of Roathe's men were just regular Uriels.

[restive river]

Any frame can be a prime if you try hard enough

Revenant Prime for example
Bro literally should not exist, and yet he do

[pale cedar]

For some reason there's a lot of players who think a frame can't exist because of lore of a base version

[mystic lynx]

Question can any random tenno fully utilize a frame ability?
Cuz i feel like for someone like Lavos there's somr needed elemental knowledge required to fully use his power
Or is it like an instant understanding the moment they transference?

[pale cedar]

They can just ask Lavos how to do it

Yes, Tenno can talk to the frames

[strange turtle]

Standard Frames (as opposed to ones like Umbra, Stalker/OG Jade, OG Kullervo etc) still have a little bit left

Not quite full memories but just, little bits of their personality and mind leftover

Its how we have their animations and why Tenno don’t just trip over trying to walk in the body of a 6 foot strongman

And obviously, how we know to cast the abilities

Though besides that, a line from Teshin in The Teacher implies Tenno know some Alchemy already for their mods

[mystic lynx]

So it's kinda like the drift from pacific rim of it kinda make sense?
Like some kind of telephatic communication between tenno and the frame

[pale cedar]

Kinda

[loud oriole]

this, even in Jades lore she sung to her operator to put them to sleep while she carried out the mars mission

[dire moat]

ballas...

[pale cedar]

We also entered Umbra's mindscape to talk to him

[strange plinth]

ball ass, yes, what about him

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/king-piccolo-dragon-ball-piccolo-clenching-fist-dragonball-gif-13564689907625049968

me when ballas

[mystic lynx]

Crazy to imagine the other 6 are worse

[pale cedar]

It wasn't said the other 6 were worse just that Ballas wasn't the worst

Just 1 he talks about tbh

[strange turtle]

And even then, Narmer was enough to maybe elevate him above even her

[pale cedar]

So we still don't know what he thinks about 5

[strange turtle]

In the eyes of her own… I don’t know how to describe the negativity of their relationship properly tbh, lover, no less

[fast dew]

He doesnt even mention the goat Avantus 💔

[fast dew]

Abusive or toxic, one of them :) thats what I'd call it.

[pale cedar]

Tuvul is the goat he gave me superpowers

Tuvul is the best trust

[fast dew]

I mean yeah he seems pretty normal for an orokin

[strange turtle]

Karrish is right there

When the empire collapsed and the peasants were rioting, he kept his men safe and even secured food and board for them

He stood (sat) with them until his last breaths

[pale cedar]

Karishh helped me figure out where my meal went

[mystic lynx]

I thank Karris for giving the best warframe duo in the game some lore

[loud oriole]

-# i had my catalytic converter stolen by ballas outside of the Orokin capital

[mystic lynx]

There wouldn't be a Gauss/Grendel leverian without him

[pale cedar]

True

[fast dew]

I like Nihil

The Nihil guy right here

[strange turtle]

-# we know

[fast dew]

I like his skin.

Its very nice looking.

[pale cedar]

I don't think Nihil is happy about his retcon

[fast dew]

IM NOT HAPPY EITHER

But it does make it funny that Ballas specifically targeted Nihil to piss him off

[loud oriole]

-# -tap tap taps on the glass-
-# "you know how many orokin you can fit into one of these things?"

[pale cedar]

It's a weird change

[fast dew]

Given the Orokin caste and their reputation for being freaks [derogatory] i wouldnt put two in one jar

They might kill each other

[pale cedar]

Like just him a statue DE

Maybe they changed it because Nitohk and Nihil sound too similar

[mystic lynx]

Can Orokin even throw hands
Are those lomg limbs just for show or is there actual muscle behind it
Except Scarne ig that dude is big

[loud oriole]

walk in to the orbiter and just see the shattered glass of the jar the two orokin were in.

-# (they're probably both dead)

[fast dew]

Given how Ballas just holds the greatsword he has, absolutely.

One hand. In one hand. I think

[fast dew]

Worse, helminth ate them

[loud oriole]

oh no, anyways

[fast dew]

I wish we got rid of like. One of them.

Screw Tormis he doesnt do shit anyways

Gilderglass sounds more like a Nihil thing anyway

[strange turtle]

I still think it was just a mistake on account of him just. Not being relevant outside of a single storyline so they skimmed over his mention in KIM

[pale cedar]

There's also the fact Executor and Executioner are often mistaken

[mystic lynx]

Speaking of Excecutor

[strange plinth]

Scarne getting murdered for some reason:

[pale cedar]

Someone really wants Nihil promoted

[strange turtle]

Like. He appears once. Is brought up as the guy who makes Cephalons and glasses people. Not called an Executor while the others are.

Doesn’t come up again aside from a single mention that also doesn’t establish him as an Executor, until a character who wants to know about Cephalons is written. Guy is written by the writing team newbie, who would’ve just been shown that he is a high up executioner, whose also just been introduced to the Orokin having Executors

[strange plinth]

yea, nihil?

[strange turtle]

Two really similar words, that are really easy to glance over both for writer and editor

[fast dew]

Hi thats me/j

[loud oriole]

-# slight tangent; i have this random 3am thought that has been stuck in my head for a bit now and it is completely out of left field;

-# how, uh, do we see out of the Warframes, like with pre-sacrifice when we all considered the frames were just 'suits' we wore.

like it could be something similar to echo-location but cranked to 11, but we have seen (in one instance) that eyes are still 'functional' under the steel skin

and like any frames with tech attached to their faces could be some form of optic, like ivara's 'mono-eye'

then there's dagath

[strange turtle]

We can see normally

Well “normally”

[loud oriole]

so like some form of astral projection type thing, i guess?

[strange turtle]

No

The warframes can just see

One of the main resources for warframes is “Neurodes”

Biotech sensor organ harvested from Infested entities.

And then we look at it and it’s basically just a messed up looking eyeball

With the little fleshy attachment stuff at the back and everything

[loud oriole]

ah okay, makes sense
so if anything its just super vision that can "see" past the armour via regular light wavelengths or in some cases a super hearing that makes a 1:1 picture

-# like I said, random 3am thought that hit my mind trying to sleep

[tall echo]

neuroptics.

neuro. optics.

that's a part of every frame

[storm dagger]

So I came back from a 4 year break, and saw the Stalker take the Sakamoto Days route.
Now he has a kid.

[tall echo]

yes

and his wife, who he just remembered is his wife, is dead

[storm dagger]

So we're basically Shin and Stalker is Sakamoto now

[pale cedar]

We're not shin but the child is

Or will be

When he can actually walk and talk

[loud oriole]

we love the suburban dad stalker story arc.

DE please touch on said story sooner than later*

[feral cape]

Youll get the story in 5 years

[loud oriole]

after the Garuda lore /j

[storm dagger]

Yoo I just looked back about the lore on the game.
And one of the choices on 2nd dream quest to Lotus' question "What do you remember?" is
"A hand, held in mine aboard the Zariman"
Are we referring to when we shook hands with the Man in the Wall?

[pale cedar]

No, that's referring to before we shook his hand

Either when we were running around to get away from the parents or holding our parents' hand

[ashen pulsar]

I assume nightcap saying "Don't know how or why, but somewhere along the line you became the roots and fruits" pretty much tells us this as well

the first part of that quote, "Well look at you, Nokko. You ain't some leftover freak that some Orokin mucker made in a lab" could easily mean nokko AFTER being shroomed isn't something the orokin made.

[silk sparrow]

obligatory doctor who reference

[twin wigeon]

”Something’s out there, Kiddo.”

[ashen pulsar]

can’t hear kiddo and think parents

it’s too hard

[twin wigeon]

Actually it was the parents that said that first

[ashen pulsar]

ik

[twin wigeon]

:3

[hazy prism]

What's y'alls theories one why Wally refers to Entrati and Operator by terms of endearments from their parents

I suppose it could be to mess with us with a personal piece of info

[ocean geyser]

Wally loves digging up positive memories to use against you
That’s really it

[unique talon]

"I see a suit of armor around the system" is there any reason why we didn't create an Ultron to destroy the factions for good?

With the prime Warframe technology

[silk atlas]

If it was that easy, they would've.

[ocean geyser]

Then there would just be another power vacuum bro

Also the Infestation has historically been
Exceptionally difficult to deal with

[hazy prism]

also note Tenno as a faction don't have the best high end tech stuff, most of it was already designed by the Orokin (in the case of primes) and the other factions (Adversary weapons)

[ocean geyser]

I mean
Tenno gear is pretty good
The problem is that we’re outnumbered

So the best we can do fight as shock troops, sabotage and the like

[strange turtle]

Also like, a good portion of our stuff early on is reversed engineered or really basic stuff

We used to be studying the enemy’s weapons and buying improvised weapons made from industrial tools

[pale cedar]

Grineer will just clone more soldiers

Corpus will keep having kids

Pazuul is in hiding and has a ton of batteries so Narmer is fine

Infestation will never stop expanding

Scaldra are immortal because of the loop

Sentients have lots of fragments

Destroying them all causes power struggles which we don't want

[hazy prism]

Old lore used to have the Tenno High Council that made Nova and stuff, but that's all gone/retconned pretty sure

[strange turtle]

We don’t actually know how to make prime tech, and despite the only slight boosts it has compared to the standard variants it’s seemingly advanced enough for nobody to figure it out

The only ones who really could are Roathe (who we’ve only seen do biology stuff, and specifically infestation), Loid or Albrecht

[pale cedar]

Think Roathe can make Prime tech?

[ocean geyser]

I doubt it

He’s not exactly an engineer or something

[strange turtle]

All of whom are busy or otherwise indisposed rn

[dark compass]

Corpus also print robots constantly

We fight one jackal as a boss, there are probably millions of them

You can find an entire factory every now and then

[hazy prism]

Ironically we killed Ballas, who was probably the last person alive who could even hope to make something stronger than what we have (Maybe Entrati, but he's Bell Labs to Ballas' Lockheed Martin)

[pale cedar]

Well

There's Vessels

[drowsy saddle]

the amprex is literally a welding tool

[fast dew]

Albrecht uh.

Did that.

He made protos, which is.. cool

[strange turtle]

We have a polearm that used to be an energy saw for cutting ships too

And Atomos is literally just a mining laser someone fiddled with

[fast dew]

He also hybridised helminth and the grey strain without causing deimos 2 electric boogaloo

[pale cedar]

He made me a Vessel and never let me free roam it

[hazy prism]

He did make the protos, but they're based off of Ballas' warframes and not stronger, only equal to Ballas' designs

[drowsy saddle]

i mean the real firepower is from mods anyway, and with the Teacher, we know we go out of our way to stop the factions from getting their hands on mod tech

[strange turtle]

Like they didn’t even add an extra component or jailbreak it, it’s can just do ts

[pale cedar]

Protos are actually weaker than full frames because unmodded with 0 arcanes

[signal geode]

Who can help me with build for gaus prime

[tall echo]

Other way around, an energy saw that we're using as a weapon

[pale cedar]

#builds-discussion

[tall echo]

Wrong channel

[twin wigeon]

We have a gun that is actually just two guns

[strange turtle]

Wait no, not atomos, different laser

[fast dew]

Ballas also never managed to make warframes that could regain their sentience, which is something Albrecht has somewhat managed

[tall echo]

I'm aware of akimbo guns

[strange turtle]

Thats what I said?

[fast dew]

Regain. Wrong word.

[tall echo]

I misread it

[pale cedar]

But they're all sentient

[drowsy saddle]

retain

[fast dew]

Retain thats the word

[hazy prism]

But seeing Umbra, ballas could probably do it too, but just didn't do it for everyone outside specific cases

[pale cedar]

All Warframes can act on their own but don't usually because we aren't in danger in the moment

[tall echo]

Umbra wasn't sentient

[fast dew]

Also

Theoretically, if Albrecht managed to infect a dax, it would be like.

The perfect warrior

[strange turtle]

Gammacor, that was it. Mining tool but for analysing the mineral content, not straight up mining them out

[pale cedar]

Well he was as all frames are

[tall echo]

Umbra 2

[hazy prism]

Dagath was a dax no? A dying/dead one, but still a dax

[ocean geyser]

Excalibur was probably a Dax too
We know Umbra was

[fast dew]

Mhm. No clue what the hell her deal was, but its interesting she can directly refuse a orokin order presumably

[drowsy saddle]

dagath but she's just a 3rd wheel who likes horses

[tall echo]

Tbf they only have to obey while in the direct presence

[pale cedar]

Nothing suggests because Umbra was a dax that Excal was

[hazy prism]

Yeah Dagath (or the posthumous Dax later known as Dagath) was a Dax cavarlywoman specifically

[tall echo]

Uhhh... do you know what a poly relationship is

[fast dew]

She was likely a intimacy slave ngl

[drowsy saddle]

was it really poly if they drilled a hole through her face?

[tall echo]

Yes

[fast dew]

She couldn't reasonably consent to an orokin due to that forced loyalty

[ocean geyser]

I said “probably”

[tall echo]

Because that was much later

[fast dew]

It was abusive imo, hardly a poly relationship.

[ocean geyser]

It’s not exactly out of the question for the people with swords to possibly become the sword guy

[tall echo]

It doesn't seem to be a constantly active passive thing so it is possible the couple actually asked first

[pale cedar]

Give a frame a sword boom becomes sword guy

[hazy prism]

By that logic you could apply that to all of them, the dax used similar weapons to our warframes.

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[tall echo]

Well the host doesn't affect the result with one notable exception

[strange turtle]

I mean I don’t think she was made to do it, at least outright just because, Grandma doesn’t say it is. Like Granny’s already telling us how awful of lovers they were, she’s not the type to mince words and dance around Dagath actually being forced into it

[hazy prism]

The fact that Dagath also named the horse despite being forbidden from doing so, makes it seem Dagath wasn't completely under their control

[pale cedar]

They didn't have the Kuva

[restive river]

Didnt that control physical action, not thought?

The dax can never strike the Orokin cause they have the kuva, but the dax can strike down anyone and anything else
See: the Anarchs

[pale cedar]

Yeah but naming your horse requires some level of physical action

Thinking about naming a horse don't break that rule

[restive river]

Okay but
The kuva prevented physical action against the Orokin
And. No it doesn’t?

I wish we had the old peace on the archives cause there’s dialogue talking about the kuva and the dax

If the Anarchs are doing what they’re doing on the scale that they’re doing it then naming a horse is nothin
She broke the rules yes, but I don’t think that defies the Kuva

[ocean geyser]

What intrigues me is that the ability to weild kuva is what’s important, rather than simply being orokin
Then again, I suppose the idea of anyone other than the Orokin using Kuva was nonsensical at the time

[pale cedar]

Nah, Teshin asked for a command the moment we took the sceptre

[restive river]

I’m guessing it also has to be that good kuva too
None of the bluva trash

[drowsy saddle]

its quite literally who has the talking stick

[ocean geyser]

That’s my point lol?

I’m just saying that it’s probably an oversight in the conditioning of dax

[pale cedar]

Funny how Kuva is meant to be rare yet it seemingly isn't

[ocean geyser]

Why have to worry about Dax directly defying Orokin if Orokin are the only ones with Kuva anf stuff

[ocean geyser]

Lmao yeah

[restive river]

It likely was a lot rarer during the empire tbh

More controlled then

[pale cedar]

Maybe regular is common

But refined is rare

[restive river]

Also don’t gotta worry about the Dax causing an uprising if they’re conditioned asap
The Anarchs being a case where they were far enough away, lied to on a large enough scale and eventually backed by an Orokin themselves which allowed then to further rebel (in terms of resources)

[restive river]

Crimson vs normal red

[pale cedar]

Bluva is the real rare Kuva

Thing is brought up once

[restive river]

Lmao

It’s like uhhh
Pepsi clear or whatever

[hazy prism]

Bluva is just mountain dew baja blast, it was a limited run Kuva that never got made again

[restive river]

Diet transference

Who needs it when you have somatics anyway

[strange turtle]

The House making it got shut down after The Incident

[restive river]

Which are probably safer ngl

[hazy prism]

Some people perfer the taste of diet soda transference, I personally prefer transference max

[tall echo]

I see capitalized house and my brain just thinks mr house I need to play less fallout

[torpid quiver]

reminder you dont hate ballas enough

[restive river]

Most of my hate goes to Tuvul!

I put spoons in his eyes :]

[fast dew]

Me when my burning hatred for... idk a lot of orokin

[pale cedar]

That's so kind

Swap to knife

[fast dew]

I blame Albrecht for when my shit goes missing

[restive river]

Nono
They hurt more, the consistent pressure under his eyes is eternal and terrible

Plus you have no idea how many knives I stuck in him everywhere else lol

[fast dew]

He probably broke into Ballas' stuff and stole cars. What if he steals the one here next 💔

[tall echo]

My hate is focused on nihil for reasons

[restive river]

We all got one ig

[loud oriole]

i had my catalytic converter stolen by Albrecht Entrati in the lot outside of the conceptually embodimented Wal-Mart

[restive river]

Bro can NOT stop stealing cars

[loud oriole]

-# i wonder how the indifference would react to me CE'ng endless Walmarts

[silk atlas]

If it was any of the other Executors, imagine just how much more screwed up the story would be

[hazy prism]

SCP 3008 but it's a walmart instead

[silk atlas]

At least I don't have to deal with the implication that the meatballs are made from human remains

[fast dew]

No, you dont understand, he needs... pistons. I guess.

[hazy prism]

To make a HOTROD WARFRAME, it's got a V8 engine that powers it

[restive river]

Why don’t we have a gauss tennogen with flames???

[hazy prism]

I either hope we get a Gauss Deluxe skin with those enginer funnels or a straight up hotrod warframe

[restive river]

Dante needs a deluxe skin first

[hexed vessel]

1865 writing ball. Wikipedia
Looks like it is Orokin/Entrati design.

I imagine an Orokin typist with extra digits added to one hand to use it, and leave their other hand free.

[fast dew]

Looks like entrati design

Something to so with the brown against gold

The orokin had more of gold and white, the entrati preferred, at least Albrecht did, gold against brown

[fast dew]

We need a new equinox deluxe please god

[loud oriole]

-# hmo, equinox gemini skin but its Sol and Lua

[restive river]

Probably not the actual ones but def a religious figure

[strange turtle]

Otak and Necraloid using tiny little arms or mechadendrites to type while hovering over it

[restive river]

Someone should run doom on this

[strange turtle]

Albrecht Entrati stole my testosterone for Helminth ingredients while I was getting a checkup. Wasn’t even at a hospital either it was a dentist appointment

Now my bones are broken because of the hormone imbalance after I tripped on the way out

[thorny stone]

i’ll do it

[restive river]

👀

[thorny stone]

what? i ran doom on my toenail so that should work too

[ocean geyser]

Nah man
Power it with Axi V8 relic

[fast dew]

He stole it for me mb

[prime mural]

Wait a second. So before the second dream came out and we knew about operator we assumed they were driven by us and that the personality they showed. Then via ballas we find out they were humans before. Is a warframes personality(example Grendel and gauss friendship) them or the 2 operators who used them. Also secondly to add to it. If rell was the autistic self flagulating type of person to regulate thoughts and feelings, why does harrow show those signs and shouldn't Lyons not have inherited those aspects if they were rells?

[fast dew]

HRT gotta come from somewhere

[quick wadi]

I mean a lot of this minutae is kept kinda vague

[fast dew]

Rell =/= Lyon

They share memories, yes, but not mental conditions

[strange turtle]

The personality thing depends

[quick wadi]

Its said in KIM conversation that theres some remnants of frames that the user adopts like stances and such.

Would be safe to assume that's where grendel and such get their personality. But its not impossible that some operator had their own stuff going on

[strange turtle]

Because there’s Operated frames which are either mostly under control or barely have anything left of the og mind kicking around (our modern crafted copies), and then there’s the actual Gen 1 frames that were obv independant

And for most Leverians we don’t know if they’re frames from before or after the Purges

Like Lavos seems to have been a Gen 1, and Nezha’s Leverian has that whole “yeah its not like they’d have anything in common with the kids wink wink nudge nudge”

And Vorunas ofc literally describes the Operator picking themself up with her

But with others we just don’t get hints

[restive river]

The idle and agile anims are remnants of the frame’s personality

[lilac aspen]

Like muscle memory
(Not literally, their personality is still in there a little so they’re not brain dead puppets)

[peak ether]

okay so Old Peace was hype but im so confused, can i get a run down of what happened?

[silk atlas]

Would it make everything make sense if I simply told you it was in the middle of The Old War

[quick wadi]

The slightly older war

[peak ether]

i feel like i need to replay it again because i was just too immersed, so ballas wanted the war to keep going so he sabotaged the whole peace treaty

[gentle isle]

yes

[twin wigeon]

because he can't tolerate things not being under his control

like the sentients

[peak ether]

he was the one backing the anarchis and they were acting under his command?

[twin wigeon]

no

he was on the orokin side, Executor Nitokh and Roathe were behind the anarchs

[gentle isle]

i believe ballas took advantage of the anarchs but wasn't directly supporting them no

[peak ether]

oh he just took advantage of the situation to get rid of the self aware sentients

[gentle isle]

he never was one to get his hands dirty

[twin wigeon]

Ballas didn't want Nitokh to win either so he let the anarchs rebel and then made us reactivate the world seeders under the guise that we'd be blowing up Anarch HQ.

[gentle isle]

classic orokins constantly backstabbing each other

[twin wigeon]

The World Seeders then completed their mission of terraforming Perita by wiping out the xenoflora population

[peak ether]

kinda sad i didnt get to see the owl and snake (assuming thats who amar was trying to get)

[loud oriole]

-# remember, ballas is the better of the seven

[gentle isle]

my understanding was the terraforming process led to xenoflora dying out because the flowers cant survive under a proper atmosphere or something along those lines

[peak ether]

it was cool seeing Karrish's statue but a bit disappointed that not all of the seven statues were there, im guessing the female seven is Nitokh?

[twin wigeon]

Correct. they're "Xeno" Flora, they are alien and foreign to us and so it poses an issue

[peak ether]

also the male grineer was sent to make sure something was done (i just completed the quest but i cant remember what it was) why didnt we kill him too?

[gentle isle]

yea i just wanted to clarify that killing the flowers wasn't the primary purpose of the seeders, it was a side effect that ballas and the anarchs took advantage of

[twin wigeon]

i mean the purpose of the seeders was to convert perita into something similar to our inhabited planets, overthrowing any preexisting flora and fauna

[quick wadi]

Well he was supposed to silence them but he couldn't go through with it. And it's established throughout the quest that we have some kind of connection with them

Whether or not he would have been able to anyway isn't really relevant, but he wasn't really responsible for anything

[peak ether]

welp gonna have to wait till the quest is replayable so i can lock in and focus

[gentle isle]

valdur had his orders but he couldn't go through with it, so we let him live because he was a good egg, tho we did warn him not to go back to tauron academy lest he get caught up in our rampage

"you're one of the good ones, valdur, don't come to school tomorrow"

[quick wadi]

Can't really think of how but I hope that there's some more content we get with them

[peak ether]

the uriel segment was sooo coool

[twin wigeon]

Tau is in Sight.

[quick wadi]

We need more grineer friends like kahl

[gentle isle]

one of the other npcs in kahl's camp is a female grineer called jarka or something like that who has a voiceline saying the only time a tenno is defenseless is when we're mining or fishing

they know us too well

[quick wadi]

I do hope they explain in some capacity what exactly we might have gotten from those memories that would help us get there. Cause it's not very clear right now

"Tenno I need you to think back to that one Lazy Afternoon when you were in the academy Library and poring over the schematics for the solar rail"

[gentle isle]

our void powers are probably stronger with those memories, maybe there's a way we can open a way to tau by ourselves that albrecht theorized about

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-clem-yellow-eyes-gif-14862662

[restive river]

More so our abilities are tied to our memories, our memories were sealed by Margulis and remembering them lets us access these abilities
See; The War Within

[gentle isle]

that too

[restive river]

With Old Peace we didn’t actually uncover new abilities though funnily enough, we did recall what we had but we only regain them via the void expeditions the Triad go on
Probably has to do with the Tektolyst weapons being more physical?

Lyon does specifically have to go find them, maybe we just remembered how to use them

[gentle isle]

still, albrecht does seem to know our powers quite well, considering it's thanks to his unconventional guidance the drifter grasped the true meaning of transferrence and understood that was the key to getting his vessels to work, i wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some formula to get to tau impossible without the tenno somewhere in those labs

[restive river]

What

True meaning of transference???

[gentle isle]

well i mean how it works in a sense, sorry

[restive river]

They’ve had innate transference since the new war

[gentle isle]

coulda worded that better

yea the drifter could transfer into warframes but it was still a more immature application to my understanding? albrecht knew it could be stronger with empathy and understanding

[restive river]

Also on the Vessels they were made to fight Wally and Drifter utilized them to get to 1999 after establishing the connection in Lotus Eaters
By utilizing the infestation’s relationship with time, the Vessel’s connection to the protos and transference the Drifter can time travel

[gentle isle]

that tells me albrecht has a rather deep insight into how tenno powers work

[restive river]

They used transference in the same as the Operator, the whole thing about saving the Hex is to gear up against Wally

By knowing them, understanding them we can save them and by doing so the Drifter gains love which is key to fighting the cold indifference we shall be facing

[gentle isle]

tbh we still dont know if albrecht had anything in mind in terms of the hex, wasn't there something about him using them to create warframes in case our arsenal couldnt be accessed or something

[twin wigeon]

Drifter is all about Emotion and Empathy while Operator is all about Fury and Vengeance

[restive river]

We don’t know why he made the protoframes, just that he did
We theorize it was so we’d have Warframes in 1999 but the real reason may have just been so the Drifter could learn how to love

[pale cedar]

Transference is literally about empathy though

[twin wigeon]

ngl i would freeze and wipe Operator's mind as well

[restive river]

The Operator is very much so about empathy too
The Sacrifice

The whole thing about the tenno and transference is they have empathy due to the major pain and trauma they went through, they can see into the broken mind of a frame and help them through basic human empathy and care

[twin wigeon]

didn't we use umbras memory as fuel for our wrath or such

[pale cedar]

Choices aren't relevant

[restive river]

You literally get to choose which one and we still help through empathy

[pale cedar]

There's 2 other choices that aren't that

[twin wigeon]

fair enough

i concede

[restive river]

Ballas talks about it like
We help the frames through empathy and from there we decide what to do, how to help.

[pale cedar]

Ballas couldn't explain it because he's smupid

[restive river]

He couldn’t explain it cause he lacks empathy

[pale cedar]

It was something else?
Really?
Like basic human emotion?

[restive river]

He had some basic human emotions

He felt love like
At least for a day

[pale cedar]

Till some kids came along

[restive river]

Ballas when the person he loves loves literally anything else in any other way

Bro would be jealous if she said she loved a piece of pie

[short mason]

Transference it's said to be possible because the tenno learn to leave in "broken places" iirc. So definitely it has definitely something to be with empathy

[restive river]

The tenno were traumatized and learned how to see into a broken thing and help it basically
So
Yeah just empathy

Anyone can do transference fyi through tech, but for the tenno it was an innate ability

Sylvana used it on a forest
Ballas uses it on Umbra to speak to and control him
Even the tenno had to use somatics (transference tech) up until the War Within

[pale cedar]

It's seemingly dangerous to do Transference via tech for too long just look at what happened to Silvana

[twin wigeon]

whatt about necramechs? don't they have like a transference bolt?

[restive river]

No?

We also don’t know the full importance of the bolts fyi

Just that Umbra’s was unique

We’ve never even seen one

[twin wigeon]

how DO we transfer to like mechs and the vessels? somatics then?

[short mason]

For what I've seen it's only through technology, how it is a innate ability?

[restive river]

Somatics is just transference
But the entrati say something about rerouting it

[restive river]

For the tenno it’s innate

Same as the rest of our abilities

Transference was only discovered because of the tenno

[twin wigeon]

somatics can't be just transference bc then whats somatic fibers and that little node tthing we charge up during the stalker portion of second dream(?)

[pale cedar]

Isn't the rerouting dialogue only if you did Heart of Deimos before Second Dream because I swear I never heard it in either playthrough of it I did

[restive river]

The necramechs aren’t alive, they don’t have minds so I think it’s more of a rudimentary form of control

[restive river]

Somatics do just allow for transference but okay

Also we had to charge the transference chair iirc

[pale cedar]

If Silvana can do it on trees doing it on a mech is child's play

[restive river]

We didn’t have innate transference UNTIL the War Within

[twin wigeon]

they aren't alive, they more or less have ai's tho built in to allow for like sentries

[restive river]

Trees are alive
Mechs arent

[twin wigeon]

bc we got semi-functioning mechs wandering deimos occaisonally

[restive river]

Everything we use transference on is a living being except for the mechs, unless they do have some biological component

[pale cedar]

Them not being alive makes it child’s play

[restive river]

It does just sound like they use a simple ai tho

[short mason]

What about the statues in Albrecht's lab?

[twin wigeon]

very simple and crude ai

[restive river]

I mean I guess but transference is specifically our mind jacking into another

[restive river]

What about them?
Those are basically just big warframes

[short mason]

A

[pale cedar]

A Vessel even has a heartbeat

[restive river]

The vessels are essentially giant frames utilizing the gray strain, helminth strain and DNA from the Protoframes
Gray strain for big
Helminth cause big frame
DNA for the human connection

[pale cedar]

What if we can just transfer into almost anything

Transfer into TV when?

[restive river]

We’ve only been shown to really do it to biological things, things with some level of a mind
The necramechs being the odd one out

Drifter can even use it on void-made entities such as the Orowyrms and Golden Maws, both of which do have some form of mind and/or are living beings

[pale cedar]

I feel the Entrati Family being the Void house they are found a way to allow us to do it

[restive river]

Further proving to me at least that void made entities are alive

[restive river]

Yeah they prob found a way to reroute our transference stream to control a basic machine

[narrow pendant]

considering the skull in the necramech i think we can make assumptions..

sure do hope its not some warhammer 40k type lobotomized mind!

[winged flume]

What happened to the original composer for Warframe?

Never mind I found out he's still with DE,

[kindred barn]

With that Loki head that Stalker drops in The Second Dream cutscene. Is that ours that he's just carrying around or some poor shmuck that he caught out on Uranus on his way to visit Hunhow?

[ocean geyser]

Nah the Entrati just really like bones

For
Some reason

[fast dew]

Wouldn't you? Bones are sick

[dark compass]

There was that one scene in transformers when John cena playing a fed said
"They're called decepticons, doesn't that raise any red flags"

[ocean geyser]

Valid response

[dark compass]

Have you thought about why there are skulls on human shaped pods capable of transference that pilot robots with a weird name

Uhh what was their name.......

Necramechs, decorated with obols

No they were obviously just pirates

If they confirm there are no corpses inside necramechs I'm gonna cry

This isn't FNAF where they had to come up with a completely random magical concept to market the series to parents

[fast dew]

The entrati family likely put their assistants and past yuvans in those pods

[dark compass]

Yes, that's what I'm also thinking

Gotta value their servants

[fast dew]

They have crypts and ossuaries too, so i assume they're in those as well

[dark compass]

Do you happen to have the crypt concept art at hand?

I can't find it anywhere

[fast dew]

Gwa

[dark compass]

Oh, would you look at the pod

[fast dew]

The little smiley one?

[dark compass]

The one floating in the center

[fast dew]

The smiley guy

[dark compass]

Yes, the smiley guy

Our valued servant of the Entrati family and a brave necramech pilot

[fast dew]

:D

[dark compass]

Necramech but with a smiley face instead of a skull

[fast dew]

I imagine that is what son or daughter would draw of the necramechs

[coral mirage]

evening you beautiful pokemon you
Quick question, when is the next story quest? because the story feeds the lore, so hence the question

[proper barn]

We don't know.

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-bean-sad-baby-rain-depressed-gif-15153737

[proper barn]

Tau is this year.

[rose estuary]

Probably tau since we’re going there this year but idk

[proper barn]

That's all we know.

There will probably be story in the other updates as well.

[coral mirage]

good enough for me

[dark compass]

"beautiful pokemon" which one though

[coral mirage]

theres literally over 2 decades, you can pick and choose
Me, im going with Squirtle, because DEM SHADES

[dark compass]

Asking me to pick something to define myself is like asking me to shoot myself

[coral mirage]

youre overthinking it, just go with the one that speaks the most to your inner child

[undone jacinth]

Mega Ray

[dark compass]

Don't make me scream

[undone jacinth]

Too much aura

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/mew-two-pokemon-dancing-sunglasses-shades-gif-10283895

best boi coming through

[proper barn]

Chandalure.

[restive river]

We find out what the next update is on the 23rd, this will likely be the Echoes update to the Old Peace akin to Techrot Encore
We don’t really know what’s planned for this year so you just gotta wait n see

[proper barn]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-chandelure-gif-17974094

[coral mirage]

dankeshen my dear duck, danke

good enough, one step closer to kung fu Space Satan

[restive river]

If we go off last year for a rough estimate of the most story / major updates then
Echoes Update
June Update
Tennocon
October Update
End of Year Major Update

We do know the largest arc the Tau arc started with Old Peace
That we will be going to Tau
That there will be railjack content at some point this year
And that we may or may continue or finish the Void War arc

[winged flume]

I liked the Whispers arc, wish it had a few more stories.

[restive river]

You mean the Void War arc, the one that’s still happening???

[winged flume]

Oh, I thought that was done, I guess the Tau portion is just a chapter change within the book.

[coral mirage]

Devils advocate, isnt every arc by extension, still happening?

[restive river]

Old Peace is part of both the Tau arc and the Void War arc

[coral mirage]

Oh just for the record, in case it wasnt said today.

Kahl Best Boi

[restive river]

No
These are the current arcs/sagas
only one not listed is the Tau arc

[winged flume]

I still want a Kahl and Clem mission where they team up and do Bad Company stuff.

[coral mirage]

arcs or chapters? because each is different, a chapter is contained in arcs, which can go into multiple chapters as arcs by definitions are what bridge between chapters.
The saga is the overall theme

[restive river]

Arc 5 is the Tau arc and just started with Old Peace
Void War is still happening
1, 2 and 3 all ended

We still have things happening due to the New War arc, such as Jade Shadows and Undermind but those are post-arc

[coral mirage]

but maybe i am getting too literal again
Happens when youre trilinigual and everything is basically literal to my brain

[restive river]

DE just named it stupid so I just call them all arcs

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/want-cat-want-it-rage-gif-24209074

[restive river]

https://www.warframe.com/en/guides/quests

[coral mirage]

fair enough

[lean garden]

kinda, its basically DE establishing why oppy and drifter need to go to Tau. Drifter is primarily albrecht and Oppy is because of The Sins of My Forebears Hands and then albrecht

[ashen pulsar]

note the distinct lack of jade shadows, which really shouldn’t have been a main quest imo

[restive river]

I think it is one cause it’ll show up later??
Also afaik angels isnt in here anywhere but its a main quest too, likely due to it being a requirement iirc

[ashen pulsar]

tbf angels rewards us with an important part of the game. meanwhile, jade shadows gives us… jade.

[restive river]

It gives us the baby!

Who will be something maybe at some point

[ashen pulsar]

if jade shadows is valuable enough to be a main quest, why isn’t veilbreaker or smth

[restive river]

Its a surprise tool for later!

[silk atlas]

Ew Veilbreaker

[restive river]

Real
Make sure to have your baby Tenno play peak!

[swift sentinel]

Veilbreaker is an epilogue to the New War, it's not really doing anything to further the story

[restive river]

Pazuul
Archons
Kahl is based

[swift sentinel]

You get all that from Archon Hunts

[silk atlas]

Archon hunt is already dealing with that lol.

[mystic lynx]

Jade shadow progress stalker story and the baby (who may or may not be important later)
Veilbreaker is just what's Kahl up to post NW

[restive river]

Dang nvm then

[swift sentinel]

Kahl is a fan favourite but not story important

[silk atlas]

Oh well that's unlocked from Veilbreaker but like... I just hate Kahl's Garrison

[ashen pulsar]

archon hunts are unlocked from veilbreaker no?

[lilac aspen]

Kahl Prime mission when

[restive river]

They should be?

That was the same update i think idr

[mystic lynx]

I'm confused about archon hunt i thought drifter killed them all already in the quest why are we still hunting them
Ig they got revived smh?

[restive river]

Sentients go brrr

We took out the jolly rancher, we didn’t kill them ig

[swift sentinel]

They do, but I guess that just means DE doesn't consider Narmer part of the main story for now

[restive river]

No Narmer orb

[lilac aspen]

They just gather the remains and stab another Tau Jolly Rancher into them

[ashen pulsar]

I think narmer is far, far more important than stalker’s baby. But instead of dealing with a major plot point we’re heading to tau to catch a morally questionable scientist, running from a void demon and learning the backstory of the random guy whose ass we kicked a while ago. I think the void war segment is important but stalker isn’t whatsoever

[restive river]

Oh and we just started the tau arc which is apparently the biggest one yet sooo

[lilac aspen]

Here’s hoping Narmer is more involved with Tau

[restive river]

Narmer should be part of it but i doubt they will be
We shall see

Ios keyboard sucks pls help

[ashen pulsar]

narmer is still a dangerous superpower holding half the origin system in a dream world so stalker’s kid is NOT important rn

[restive river]

But it’s the most unique lifeform in the system

[lilac aspen]

DE you better let us restore the Archons to their prime. We need our best dog boio back.

[mystic lynx]

Jade shadow plot is centered around Jade, Stalker, and the baby still surviving out of emotion like love
Which is revealed to be effective against the indifference
Idk I'm crossing fingers hoping Stalker will play a part in the fight against indifference

[restive river]

I’m glad Adis never got to see Amar like how he is now

[ashen pulsar]

maybe, but I don’t have high hopes for that happening

[lilac aspen]

It’s the first “naturally” born Warframe who also has access to Jade’s Light

[restive river]

Tbh the archons feel like an insult to the sentients
Erra did NOT cook

[swift sentinel]

Are they dangerous? End of New War seems to imply that they shattered, while still being a minor threat.

[lilac aspen]

Well yeah
That’s why they used his corpse for the Ram
They were NOT pleased with the results

[ashen pulsar]

nah they’re bigger than that. look at any narmer bounty.

[mystic lynx]

Also Stalker plays a major role in like 2 main quest having him resolve his thing so he gets off our back (cannonically) does feel somewhat important

[restive river]

Kinda deserved after he TRUSTED BALLAS FOR NO REASON

[restive river]

But he didnt get off our back

[lean garden]

I mean, consider who will be the prime suspect in getting us to tau in the first place

[restive river]

He still blames us for the empire lol

[lilac aspen]

Diapers aren’t cheap, Tenno

[lean garden]

theres only one faction which has the technical knowhow

[restive river]

Grandpa…

[ashen pulsar]

…corpus?

[mystic lynx]

He seems kinda chill rn
Appearing sometimes with the baby in the camp

[swift sentinel]

Lotus puts a LOT of blame on Mira for how Erra ended up, so it's weird we don't have any follow up to that .

[ashen pulsar]

or entrati

[restive river]

Go kill the sergeant a few times

[ashen pulsar]

albrecht specifically

[lilac aspen]

Give Grandpa Hunhow some of that tower Kuva

[mystic lynx]

That part is disconnected with the story i thought it was already established

[sturdy solar]

were there any warframes that became primes instead of originally being primes?

[restive river]

First we need to power lift him out of the fart ocean

[mystic lynx]

What was the word again when gameplay goes against story?

[ashen pulsar]

most of them, I believe

Primes are the elite variants

[restive river]

Some frames started as primes some frames earned their prime status and some primed themselves.

[lilac aspen]

Yeah he’s stuck in Uranus for now

[sturdy solar]

which ones earned the status, and which ones primed themselves

[restive river]

Methane ocean

[restive river]

Idr off the top of my head beyond Lavos priming himself via alchemy

[lilac aspen]

Get the Jade baby to just light it on fire

[ashen pulsar]

lavos primed himself… and we’ll see about temple, but they most likely did it too

[restive river]

Xaku Prime def came after normal Xaku

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow will adapt

[swift sentinel]

Lavos is confirmed to have Primes himself, the rest are unclear I believe

[sturdy solar]

what about revenant

[restive river]

Whole other can of worms

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/mahoraga-makora-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-15349122341911766662

[sturdy solar]

how did bro become a prime if balls didnt even know he existed

[lilac aspen]

Hunhow leaving the ignited methane ocean be like

[restive river]

Maybe eternalism via the Unum with a sprinkle of conceptual embodiment
We uh. Do not know for certain and likely never will

[lilac aspen]

Prime Hunhow* (we gave him Unum Kuva)

[restive river]

Best we got is what I just said

[lilac aspen]

Nah
Pure spite

“I primed myself just to piss you off, Ballas.”

[restive river]

The Unum bit comes from a private panel with the devs iirc
He def is born of the void to some extent

Rev Prime is seriously a whole other can of worms

[lean garden]

❌
Who's been guzzling up cryotic?

[sturdy solar]

so like bro popped out of the void, which means historically there are two revenant warframes

or idk

[restive river]

Revenant Prime from the void and maybe Unum
And Base Revenant from the Warden who sacrificed themselves or whatever bro did Idr

[swift sentinel]

Rev got corrupted by the Eidolon water IIRC

It dragged the Warden under, then later spooky ghost vampire frame sightings for Cetus horror stories

[waxen mesa]

What are Orowyrms

Are they purely an ex-fictional species?

Why are they in the void during void storms and in the void tunnel

[ocean geyser]

Orowyrms are what happens to the Courtiers of Duviri when they get overwhelmed by their respective emotion during a Spiral

That’s it

Go play Duviri

[waxen mesa]

🙄

[ocean geyser]

:3

[waxen mesa]

This is the lore channel not the game mechanic channel

[ocean geyser]

…that is lore

That’s literally why it happens

[ashen pulsar]

me

[ocean geyser]

It’s written into the original book that was Duviri

[ashen pulsar]

wait no

helminth

[lean garden]

For Narmer

[ocean geyser]

The reason they’d show up during railjack void jumps and the tyana pass tunnel is just because the Void

[ashen pulsar]

ah that’s what you meant

[waxen mesa]

I'm sorry but I'm not asking for surface level stuff. I'm really looking for lore discussion.

[ashen pulsar]

i’m glad you’re not arguing stalker’s baby or whatever is getting us to tau lol

[lean garden]

I mean, at this point its a mystery mousekatool

the kids not likely to be why we get to tau

anyways last tennocon DE teased rebuilding the rail to tau

and tacitly linked it to narmer

[ashen pulsar]

I mean, I don’t know how deep the lore can get. orowyrms are fictional dragon creatures from the tales of duviri

they might escape the void from time to time

[ashen pulsar]

which is why I think this is a really unimportant segment of the story right now, and I still don’t know why it’s a main quest

like do we really need to set up for something multiple arcs away?

and can stalkers baby and everything not just be a side quest?

[lean garden]

I mean, knowing the playerbase? Yea

[waxen mesa]

Well that at least answers one of my questions better. Yes they are ex-fictional

[wind ruin]

Orowyrms also reference 'Golden Maws' which were apparently Orokin defensive drones that behaved like Dune's Sandworms.

[waxen mesa]

it's a bit hard to say where orowyrms came from TBH.

It's...unclear how much of a part they played in Tales of Duviri as WE DONT GET TO READ IT. DE PLEASE

it is clear they are a representation of emotional spirals. "What kind of an orowyrm is envy?"

that is to say

[lean garden]

I dont think we can liken them to golden maws given that the golden maws are also present

[waxen mesa]

Orowyrms are a huge part of Duviri, but from the snippets we hear it almost sounds like they were a warning that would play a minor part in the book

although we kind of get mixxed messages about it unless im missing a connection

[wind ruin]

I don't think Golden Maws are present. Hungry Maws are, but they're aquatic.

[waxen mesa]

both the advisors seem to exist in the book from the narrator mentioning them, but Drifter claims Tales of Duviri is a book about (Dominius Thrax) changing his emotions everyday

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-saber-kamen-rider-saber-仮面ライダーセイバー-仮面ライダー聖刃-gif-21578976

[waxen mesa]

I can guarantee that the book thing he touches is exactly the same as the toy version that was sold. like they started producing the toys and pulled one off the line for the show

[wind ruin]

It's almost like the entire series was meant to sell action figures and their accessories.

[waxen mesa]

gasp

[wind ruin]

ikr

[drowsy saddle]

Imma bet we're gonna use Praghasa

[loud oriole]

super sentai? in my warframe server?!

-# i grew up with Power Rangers/Super Sentai

[buoyant lagoon]

Just completed the new war, what a journey, I love the story now lol

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-kamen-rider-decade-decade-tokusatsu-death-stare-gif-13987447961766624992

please tell me youre joking

[loud oriole]

oh is it Kamen rider? my bad

[lean garden]

yea lol

[loud oriole]

that is the one sentai adjacent series I never watched since iirc it never aired in the US up until not-so-much recently

-# 'sentai adjacent' being used vaguely since obviously Super sentai and Kamen rider are not similar aside from being a toy advert with a show attached

[lean garden]

you should check it out, and then check out the occasional sentai x kamen rider movies

[swift gyro]

i am almost sure most people grow up with time...

[strange turtle]

Hungry Maws are Golden Maws

[fast dew]

Counterpoint

Golden maw

[wind ruin]

Where is that?

[strange plinth]

netracell

[wind ruin]

Neat.

[dark compass]

Albrecht stole a fish

[pale cedar]

Most normal thing ever tbh

[fast dew]

Hr is just a kleptomaniac ig 😭

[strange turtle]

Also they get called Golden Maws in like, all the fish descriptions

[stray herald]

feed the ravenous maw

[ashen pulsar]

fishnapping

[fast dew]

How do you think he got Fibonacci?

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/fsh-spin-gif-14400153594659663270

fih

[fast dew]

Cro ❤️

https://tenor.com/view/hello-cro-crow-team-crow-hello-animal-gif-7086727397455856012

[narrow pendant]

the underground fih market

[analog swan]

🤣

[dark compass]

what was the cost

[pale cedar]

Albrecht uses Wf.market confirmed?

[opaque zenith]

Since Belly of The Beast iirc

[pale cedar]

Old man discovered the internet

[storm hearth]

dont let him find the emails

[tall echo]

Wonder how much my duviri fish collection would be worth on the fish market

[fast dew]

He uses a pager, he knows how to use an email.

Wait I think he does in the arg

[narrow pendant]

he literally hacked amirs pc telling him to tamper with the reactor

[restive river]

He hacked Arthur’s hand too
He’s got so many ways to communicate

[narrow pendant]

dont b l8

[restive river]

Oh he also maybe made a search engine named after loid

[tall echo]

Waht

[restive river]

AscLoid

It’s from the arg

[fast dew]

Ascloid? Albrecht is just a lover, and its so funny to me.

He be doing the most random of shit for Loid's sake

[restive river]

Maybe by making references to loid through history it will somehow strengthen him

[fast dew]

Imagine Lyon looking at his little. Icon thingy. And comparing it to Loid.

"Hm. M. Loid looks so familiar. I wonder why?"

The humble religious saint icon on his belt chain thingies

[restive river]

His scapula

[fast dew]

... as in the shoulder blade???

[dark compass]

who were these people again

[opaque zenith]

The ARG creators

[north jolt]

So, given that we have no seen examples of humans/orokin and sentients living side by side and some even forming social relationships (like our tenno befriending one) I must ask

When are DE going to stop being cowards and show us humann on sentient romances! When will we be able to date a sentient!

[dark compass]

tau update, trust

[dark compass]

actual people who made it for DE or?...

one of the names is just a Homestuck reference, thats why im not sure

[opaque zenith]

Actual people, or their online id at least

[dark compass]

i see

[fast dew]

@restive river GET YO ASS HERE HOMESTUCK WAS MENTIONED/lh

[restive river]

Oh

Hi yeah i know lol

[fast dew]

What's the reference i dont get it

[dark compass]

mindfang and the 8 eye emoji

[restive river]

Mindfang

[fast dew]

Explain it to me

[restive river]

It’s perfect cause the web and anansi

[restive river]

OK hold on lol

[dark compass]

oh this will be fun

[fast dew]

Im tryna engage folk in their interests instead of just infodumping onto them. Thing my therapist wants me to do

[restive river]

Mindfang is the ancestor to Homestuck’s most “controversial” (in action) character Vriska, she was a cool pirate and Vriska larped as her

The :::;) is how Vriska does emojis

[dark compass]

8 eyes, so they all get in her emojis

[fast dew]

Ah.

Spider

[restive river]

8 eyes cause spider motif

[fast dew]

Albrecht likes having spiders related to him in some way..

Maybe hes just a homestuck fan.

He would fit right into the fandom, or so ive heard

[restive river]

Both characters strongly relate to being important within their story too

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-cat-cat-ear-cat-cloes-up-gif-3440707554313723183

[restive river]

So being after Anansi was kinda wild

[dark compass]

the story of the game ever since Whispers has been weirdly fitting

[restive river]

Omg he would say she did nothing wrong 😭

[fast dew]

Lowkey i think Albrecht would hate that

[strong viper]

Uhhhhh silvana tho hello

[restive river]

Homestuck is the perfect media if you want to read about paradoxes btw

[restive river]

Maybe

[tall echo]

Oh that's a method? But I like infodumping...

[strong viper]

I just append the infodump topically these days

[north jolt]

Huh?

[restive river]

Top 5 things I’d ask Albrecht

1. Thoughts on Vriska?

[fast dew]

I unfortunately had a stroke last time I tried to read homestuck, so I think I might just skip out on that one and let my mates explain it to me

[strong viper]

Human/orokin thing

[fast dew]

... im kinda joking but I did have a medical episode

[north jolt]

I think there's a misunderstanding here

[restive river]

I recommend doing it with a friend or checking out the let’s read

[fast dew]

Just make a really, really bad fandub and maybe

[dark compass]

and now they introduced the triad

[restive river]

I’ve done it twice recently with my bff and my partner lol
Me being there helped them get through it

[strong viper]

Most certainly. Btw did you know that all conflict is rooted in miscommunication

[restive river]

That’s the let’s read
It’s amateurish but decent enough

[dark compass]

i would never wish on anyone to read it

[north jolt]

"Orokin" in this use case means specifically the elite, like Roathe or the executors. Technically they are still human, but distinct for obvious reasons hence "human/orokin"

[strong viper]

Correlation does not imply causation. Maybe go back to it and prove to yourself it didnt cause the incident

[tall echo]

...????

[strong viper]

Am aware

Was just saying silvana means they were contemporary

[restive river]

I would
It by itself is a good story, just ignore the creator and the fandom and the epilogues and

Being a fan of just the story is hard

Help

[dark compass]

i think a good idea is to recommend problem sleuth first lol

[strong viper]

You are not wrong

It was fun but i dont consider myself a fan.

[dark compass]

its much lighter and eases out in the way its written

[restive river]

Oh yeah probably!

[tall echo]

What are you talking about

[strong viper]

I dropped out around Lord English lol

[north jolt]

Something something death of the author

[restive river]

Bro does kill himself off-

[strong viper]

Orokin existed alongside non orokin humans

But orokin are ostensibly evolved from homo sapiens yes

[tall echo]

That's. Not the point though

[dark compass]

homestuck is not death of the author, its like a ritual sacrifice

with the author involved

[strong viper]

What was the point? Lmao

[restive river]

The Orokin aren’t a race

[north jolt]

I never ever touched anything related to the franchise so the irony here is completely unintentional on my part

[strong viper]

Never said they were. They are a caste bro

[restive river]

[tall echo]

DE not showing us orokin/humans in relationships with sentients

[restive river]

Okay good, I’m glad you aren’t confused
Too many people think they’re a race or aliens or something

[strong viper]

Yeah no thats a human arm just too big

[restive river]

Someone literally thought i was being racist
Nah
I was being classist to the golden lord corporate elites

[strong viper]

Hahaha yes

[restive river]

Eat the Orokin

[dark compass]

ok gren- actually i agree

[restive river]

Actually jealous of Voruna

[tall echo]

Maxxing or-
-# joke

[restive river]

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-wolf-alpha-alpha-male-sigma-gif-7323326399948700836

[north jolt]

I MEAN (and not meaning to get problematic so dont attribute any moral values to this) one could argue that similar to how we have different racial/ethnic groups like East and Central asians, North Africans, Western European etc etc the Orokin elites like Ballas are physiologically distinct enough (by their own choice) they COULD be considered their own unique ethnic group

[pale cedar]

Classicide is fun lets kill some social classes

[strong viper]

Its voruna yall

[loud oriole]

orokin are just humans that had a teeny piece of the Wonka gum Violet Bauregarde had

[dark compass]

i just lost the edit of this sort of gif where all the werewolves were replaced with voruna

[tall echo]

That is an unexpected reference

[strong viper]

With the mentality of violet baudelaire

[restive river]

Could be but aren’t since anyone can be an Orokin

The blue skin was as cosmetic as dyed hair

[north jolt]

True

[opaque zenith]

Geneticaly enginered and altered yes, but not evolved as in natural evolution thing, still the same human

[analog swan]

OwOkin

[dark compass]

injecting the blue dye

[strong viper]

Agree

[north jolt]

Also they could just hijack your body and then modify it via the kuva ritual

[dark compass]

eughhhh

[loud oriole]

thx, im here all day

[tall echo]

Please no

[strong viper]

Ologen

[pale cedar]

Albrecht looked uglier when he was blue

[restive river]

At least one Orokin was a catgirl/boy/theythem

[strong viper]

Nah it fit him

[north jolt]

"I get to be Orokin elite!?"

"Well yes, but actually no. Now drink this weird blood"

[dark compass]

who was that?

[strong viper]

Kooooo Vahhhhh

[tall echo]

@fast dew

[restive river]

Probably young Albrecht idk

[analog swan]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-da-ba-dee-eiffel65-gif-14330492

[strong viper]

Most are weird with gender. Only entrati seem not to be

[restive river]

Gender isn’t real

[fast dew]

Im gonna harm you/j

[dark compass]

i thought you were talking about someone specific

[north jolt]

Obviously Roathe /jkg

[dark compass]

but sure, catboy albrecht

[tall echo]

-# highkey lowkey wish that were me

[fast dew]

Im gonna hurt you nemesis

[restive river]

Roathe is also a cat yeah

[strong viper]

Kinda real tho

[opaque zenith]

modify is after the hijack, hence the ball assXMargulis yuri argument (thankfully) prevented by Yareli

[pale cedar]

But you’re Tormis so I’m just gonna Naga Drums part 2 you

[fast dew]

ALBRECHT SHOUDLVE STAYED MILDLY CHUBBY RAGHHHHH LET HIM KEEP THE DADBOD

Insert screaming Albrecht painting

[dark compass]

stress

[restive river]

Albrecht getting buff like Caliborn so he can fight Wally
Iykyk

[dark compass]

once all this is over, Loid will be nagging him about how much weight he lost

and how he should eat more now

[north jolt]

He traded the chub for the drip

[west oasis]

Roathe's assessment of the man in the wall is strange

[fast dew]

Exactlyyyyy

Weird he gained so much weight from the void incident tho

[pale cedar]

No it isn’t

[loud oriole]

Loid will offer him the special of square spaghetti

[fast dew]

He was rather thin in the statue and requiem logs

[analog swan]

Void fattens people up?

[north jolt]

But he might be on to something

[west oasis]

Even if it was made from Albrecht it still has God like abilities

[fast dew]

Suddenly, this mf has a stomach and visible moobs, brilliant.

[strong viper]

Demon*

[tall echo]

Well he was in a legally distinct bacta tank for a while

[pale cedar]

Godlike and actually a god are 2 different things

[dark compass]

all those calories

[fast dew]

I mean, when I was in a coma, I lost a obscene amount of weight

So I assumed it would be the same

Man my medical shit is wild

[strong viper]

Okay this thomas lore drop is insane

[analog swan]

Albrecht definitely ate lots pizza in 1999

[tall echo]

Difference is sustenance during it

[fast dew]

Protip don't have seizures. Thats why

[strong viper]

I survived a couple xD