lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Ew. So i didn't miss out on much.

[frank galleon]

nooo i love fishonacci

[fast dew]

Mister fishonacci...

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DGargEventShop0400Fib_en.ogg?58360

[fast dew]

Mister loid !!!!

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DGargEventShop0460Fib_en.ogg?cb24f

we're flusing that fish back down the voidlet

[pale cedar]

Fibonacci: "Do please remember that I can see everything that goes on in this Dojo. EVERYTHING."

[fast dew]

I think Albrecht has a soft spot for women who remind him of his daughter, which is why he's so tolerant of Kaya

[pale cedar]

Fibonacci: "Who picked out the color scheme, and are they wanted for any additional offenses?"

[frank galleon]

how did daughter get her onlyne music

[pale cedar]

Easy

[stiff fable]

Albrecht brought her a souveneir walkman

[strange plinth]

On-Lyne's in the hive

[proven spire]

From the coda asteroid

[pale cedar]

Or she just happens to be higher ranking than time so getting it isn’t that hard

[frank galleon]

im happy with all of those explanations

[hollow siren]

Infestation tends to not have much of an expiration date

so maybe the song just "travelled" to her from Techrot to Infestation

[proven spire]

The grineer and corpus are also on the zariman

[fast dew]

All answers are funny imo

[stiff fable]

They're invading, yes

explicitly they want your stuff

[hollow trench]

You know

They aren’t the brightest people for doing that

[fast dew]

Infestation shows her, Albrecht shows her, Loid shows her, we show her. All of them are arguably funny choices.

[proven spire]

The robot walked on the wrong floor

[hollow trench]

Also

[proven spire]

And now it wants to beep boop transmit what it saw

[hollow trench]

Can Kalymos have cheeseburger?

[stiff fable]

absolutely, but if they can get one or two void corrupted objects or the right piece of Orokin technology....

lawl

[fast dew]

Not good for her, but Albrecht probably gave her the beef patty from several argon burger boxes

[stiff fable]

Yes, in fact Kalymos is the one who eats the infested steaks Velimir cooks

(headcanon)

[fast dew]

Real asf

[hollow trench]

All for the low price of a few techs or grineer soldiers

[fast dew]

Gotta keep the girl full and not hungry

God forbid a large ass cat like that gets hungry

[hollow trench]

I love Kalymos

[fast dew]

Shes my palymos

[stiff fable]

you know about the special honoria right

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[stiff fable]

good

[fast dew]

We can pet her and become her best friend!!

[hollow trench]

Ye

I had it equipped

[stiff fable]

I have the argon one equipped because it's too damn funny

[fast dew]

Kalymos:

-# idk why but she looks like she knows.

[hollow trench]

Kalymos would chase Lettie’s rats around I’d believe

[hollow siren]

I have "Ack Ack" rn

[stiff fable]

oh you know why. She lives in that room, and your Hex partner moved in...

[hollow trench]

When does ur hex partner move in

[fast dew]

She also lived with Albrecht and Loid, and Albrecht did have a child so he is capable.

[frank galleon]

i love kalymos

[fast dew]

Unfortunately this makes me want to lobotomise myself.

[stiff fable]

rank 5 with the Hex syndicate

[hollow trench]

That’s hilarious

[unique aspen]

Highly relatable reaction

[hollow siren]

When you're max Chemistry

[hollow trench]

The grind doesn’t stop

[fast dew]

The blessings and curses of being able to have such a strong imagination i can imagine the mucking pores on Albrecht's skin.

Its a curse.

I do not want to think about that DE.

I wanna think about how bathing Kalymos works

[proven spire]

Lore expert here and ballas also has s word

[hollow trench]

Better equip a Warframe

[hollow siren]

Albrecht put Hydrophobic lilypad genes in her skin

[stiff fable]

the incentives are strong there lol

[proven spire]

The orokin even made the cats blue

[fast dew]

Yeah but her skin would still produce oils and shed, so she'd need to be cleaned, lest she get acne

[hollow trench]

I’m at rank 4 now

[stiff fable]

oh that'll go fast

[hollow siren]

She's a naked cat, shedding is like the least of her issues

[stiff fable]

Do some Coda bounties

[hollow trench]

Coda?

[fast dew]

Skin shedding, i mean 😭

[stiff fable]

Eleanor has a 56% bassocyst, highest that gun's ever been

[fast dew]

Like us. We have dead skin on our bodies constantly

[hollow trench]

I still have a kuva lich I have been stuck with 😔

[stiff fable]

ooooof lmao

more incentivizing

[frank galleon]

yeah naked cats have to be bathed because they get oily

but they still groom themselves like any other cats

[hollow trench]

My luck with requims is doodoo

Also kuva liches

Are they just intentionally different genetically

[stiff fable]

even freakier, not exactly

[hollow trench]

Do they get around the issue tyl regor was trying to solve

[stiff fable]

They're normal grineer that you gank

[proven spire]

Cat refacia

[stiff fable]

But there's something about those ones that reacts to Kuva

[hollow trench]

Loid be like

Tenno I have a mission for you

Wash Kalymos

[stiff fable]

So they end up super strong and near-immortal

[hollow trench]

Yeah my kuva lich is a mf

[stiff fable]

"We maggots live - not long...."

[hollow trench]

Also i genuinely feel the worst way to go is either being killed by nyx saryn or qorvex

Because legit death by radiation is something i would never want

[hazy prism]

anyone have screenshots of the executors statues in tuaron academy

[strange turtle]

Oh my god

Because the ayatan/star equivalency

And we’re Ayatan

[hazy prism]

thank you so much!

[hollow siren]

Avantus, Ballas, Karishh, Nitokh, Scarne, Tormis, Tuvul

might be mixing up Scarne and Tormis

[proven spire]

Fat executor

[hollow siren]

Baron Karishh Harkonnen

[pale cedar]

That’s only one of his stomachs

Literally had 12

[proven spire]

He could eat the other executors

[strange turtle]

Not to be confused with the Grineer house Harkonar

[copper mountain]

Yeah this is Karishh without the 11 bonus exo-stomachs

[hazy prism]

since there's 7 of them, you think DE will ever do a 7 deadly sins thing with em

[proven spire]

Third one is obviously gluttony

[hazy prism]

like Karishh is gluttony, Nitokh is wrath(?), Ballas pride(?)

[copper mountain]

They’re all pride though

[stiff fable]

that's what they're based on yeah

Ballas is envy, Nitokh is sloth

[hazy prism]

I have become so suspicious of certain numbers now

[strange turtle]

Theres also the 7 Orokin virtues

[stiff fable]

Which are odd

[proven spire]

6 no 7 executors

[stiff fable]

Like how is cooperation ever been an Orokin virtue

Agility, Cooperation, Cunning, Endurance, Power, Speed, and Stealth

[proven spire]

He is the one who voted for peace

[strange turtle]

Ig they were more for the people under them

Since they also talk bad about envy of another’s station, because it’s bad for the empire

Meanwhile the orokin themselves are, well, the orokin

[fast dew]

Did you just realise this 😭

[strange turtle]

Yes 😭

I never connected the dots

[fast dew]

Mother literally calls us little ayatan. Which is so sweet.

[proven spire]

Has albrecht ever travelled into the future instead of going back

[stiff fable]

every time he went back to the lab.....

but yeah probably

[proven spire]

Maybe there is no future to travel to

Ooh bleak

[silent orchid]

I replayed Second Dream and realized something.
The way some of the lore presented conflicts with recently established lore, specifically the fact that Transference was made after Margulis' death when The Old Peace reveales it was made long before her death.
I'm assuming DE is retconning a few things to make they're new direction fit better but it hit me with a thought.

Ik warframe is more spaghetti code than multple craft singles cooked at once but they could go back and reimagine the quests to bring them up to modern standards with how the engine has evolved.
The Teacher quest is very cool but it's thrown in an erra of quests that... honestly are not the greatest in terms of quality compared to The Teacher. So it's like Whiplash from the Awakening/The Teacher, then into The Archwing or Limbo Theorem.

It would be nice to get polishing for the very old stuff so it doesn't conflict too much with the future plans. Either way it's funky to see the quality difference and how amazing this game has come.

[copper mountain]

Transference being a thing the Tenno can just do and not Margulis’ invention has been “retconned” since The War Within. The whole point of the mountain pass sequence there is to undo the mental blocks Margulis embedded within our psyche to reawaken the stuff we could already do before. Old Peace just reinforces this.

[fast dew]

Still not over the silent Nihil retcon

My brother got retconned from executor to rando dude who was into glass a little too much

[copper mountain]

Teshin puts us aboard the struggle bus so that we can remember how to do cool void stuff beyond “dream we’re a cool neat robot”

[copper mountain]

But he was never referenced as an executor? Just a “judge” and “executioner”

[fast dew]

We did in one of Amir's chats, that was recently changed. We called him an executor.

[copper mountain]

Ah

See I’m going to guess there that that too was the result of some subordinate writer mistaking “executioner” and “executor” as being the same titles

[fast dew]

I wish. I hope. I hope that there's just a rando rogue writer

[pale cedar]

Was probably me

[fast dew]

Who ever is writing Albrecht having multiple kids, i will find you.

[pale cedar]

Trust

[fast dew]

I will get you nemesis. I'm already in your floor

[silent orchid]

I only just replayed The Second Dream so I'm just looking at the quest lore to today Lore, but yeah looking at The Old War quest too, it seems to be a Tenno innate ability.
Either way it hurts my head at how spinny the lore was in the early stages

[pale cedar]

As Nemesis I gotta carry the proper emphasis

[strange turtle]

They intend to go back, and already have done a bit, but unfortunately they’re so busy doing stuff for the game itself and continuing the live service that it’s pretty slow. They even had to outsource a bunch of work on The Teacher IIRC

[bold nexus]

||I thought Hunhow was the leader of the sentients, how come we havent seen him in the old peace?||

[fast dew]

Smh. Thought you were my friend/j

[pale cedar]

Funnily enough on IMDB the guy who voices Ballas is typed out as Executioner Ballas

[fast dew]

[silent orchid]

Probably wasn't born yet, or wasn't in his station for the war.
There was some gap period after the Orokin returned to the Origin System and the Orokin Sentient war

[strange turtle]

We also just, didn’t really see many Sentients in general

We saw participants in the ground side of the war and academy staff + Adis

Also Amar

[pale cedar]

We saw Lotus too

Technically

[silent orchid]

Margulis

[pale cedar]

Margulis is not a Sentient

[silent orchid]

Who isn't the Lotus by that point, only exists after Natah gets the memories of Margulis? I honestly don't know much on how Natah becomes Lotus

[pale cedar]

Natah only became Lotus after Margulis was killed by the Jade Light which would’ve been sometime after Old Peace

[silent orchid]

That I assume, but I've seen so many people mix all 3 as the same character when only Natah and Lotus are the same character. Some in my own server mix Margulis as Lotus.

[silent orchid]

Just gunna download that...

[brittle siren]

it's based on file name btw

[pale cedar]

Well Roathe has a thing you can use for these situations

[silent orchid]

Yeah but that is from an Orokin and I'd rather go infested take anything from him

[strange turtle]

Even a pastry?

[pale cedar]

That’s from an Orokin Infested

[silent orchid]

He's still an Orokin, even if he has helmith infestation eating away at him.

[silent orchid]

If I could make him paste then sure, but otherwise the suffering lines he has from attempt 21+ are music to my ears

[main crane]

He's probably in the Origin System. Hunhow is most likely the one controlling the hivemind alongside Praghasa.

[copper mountain]

Yes to him possibly being the “hive mind” we hear about, but Hunhow was definitely not in the origin system at the time of the Old Peace.

This is because when he does finally make the jump (which of course sentients can only ever do once) he breaks the solar rail on Pluto’s side to cut the Orokin off from Tau forever and vice versa

He’s in effect the last sentient to ever come to the origin system

[main crane]

Wait. Where is this indicated?

[copper mountain]

I do not remember off the top of my head, but I know it’s confirmed in lore somewhere. I’d summon the other lore regulars but I think everyone’s asleep at this point.

One moment, I’m gonna try to dig this up

[copper mountain]

So it’s derived from two sources, as I can tell, with some conjecture in there.

We crossed the gap, wombs in ruin, to bring an end to this. We severed the worlds, let them destroy me, why is the sequence not complete?
Hunhow, during Natah

My father severed the worlds, sundered the link we had forged with Tau in the days of our enslavement.
Pazuul, via Drone Broadcast

So Hunhow is the one that smashed the solar rail. Admittedly, while digging this up I am realizing that there’s no indication that Humhow wouldn’t already be on the far side during the Old Peace, since smashing the rail doesn’t preclude him from coming over super early. So I’ll concede that he might actually be in the Origin System just hanging out.

[main crane]

Alright. So it does make sense in some point.

[hollow trench]

Did the drifter have a sibling?

[pale cedar]

If you picked that, yes

You can say you didn’t

[hollow trench]

I saw one of the Kim convos mentioned the drifter having a sibling

And it was with Eleanor

[glacial bough]

Drifter and Op having a sibling is up to the player

I stuck with us still being a single child

[idle oasis]

Just noticed something. There were always two inconsistencies/questions for me in the opening cutscene. First is the protagonist (I think she is supposed to represnet an operator?) is completely underwater but as soon as she comes up to the surface the water is not even waist deep as she is sitting in it annd the Grineer are wading through and we can even see plants growing right below the surface. Second one is that she vanishes at the end when we go zoom back into her eye and leaves behind a similar particle effect to Adis' light.

While transference could explain the second one I think both can be explained by one theory: What if its actually a memory accessed by the Dark refractory? Would make sense why she is initially fully underwater as she "phases in to" the memory and then basically disappears. Now I dont think this is actually the case since I highly doubt that DE already had the concept of the Dark refractory back then but it would be a cool explanation.

[pale cedar]

DE didn’t even make the cutscene

[idle oasis]

I know yea but they for sure had creative input

[pale cedar]

Nah, they legit let them do their own thing with the concepts which is why it has inaccuracies

They didn’t consider lore when making it

[idle oasis]

I see. I mean yea like I said, I dont actually think this was intended at all. But its still a satisfying explanation to me.

[pale cedar]

The real inaccuracy is

If it’s meant to be us at the start of the game why are we awake when we’re meant to be on Lua and stuck in a pod

That light was also us doing transference btw

[restive river]

My interpretation, if we consider it canon we weren’t physically there but making our way back to our frame via transference

[strange turtle]

She’s Mara, the internal “character” for the Operator that DE uses for cinematic stuff and the script.

[restive river]

Think astral projection essentially

[restive river]

We got Mara and Pedro

The advertisement tenno

[pale cedar]

If it was astral projection though we wouldn’t physically be able to touch the frame till we were physically there

This is why DE should be careful when making other companies set up things in their game

[restive river]

I mean maybe we could on some level, I’m not really gonna argue there’s not holes here cause it’s a possible interpretation of a non-canon interpretation of us waking up

[restive river]

The Teacher was good lore-wise, my only gripe is mentioning he’s a dax that early

[pale cedar]

The lore is fine

It’s the modding that’s the issue

[restive river]

I get the intention

It just shows new players definitively “hey modding is good” and nothing else of substance

I’ve seen the idea of more modding tutorials later in the story as we get more gear which is a good idea

They could have taught new players about forma at least

I know people who barely forma if they can help it when it’s one of the most vital pieces to modding

[pale cedar]

I love forma more because I’m MR30+

[restive river]

It helps to have a lot

[pale cedar]

it’s fun using one without it removing the mod

[restive river]

But its not too hard to get and with a dedicated moment about it new players could just get some

[restive river]

The best feeling

Anyway
That anim of Mara is def just meant to be us waking up in a really artistic way that just doesn’t line up with the lore

It’s like they got to the second dream but only remembered the part about the tenno existing lol

[pale cedar]

Lore of Warframe?

Tenno were always awake

[sudden shard]

were loid and albrecht related blood wise

[pale cedar]

No

Just lovers

[obtuse vine]

Rip pedro, we'll miss you 😔

[woven coyote]

The curiosity is too much, what even gave you that idea?

[pale cedar]

Probably the fact Roathe says Loid is Orokin which was more about Orokin society related rather than actually being Orokin and they probably assume Orokin is a race

[limpid frigate]

Orokin are just Humans. The Orokin itself is a Class/Society.

More then likely those with enough class/nobility in their blood could be call Orokin.

The whole blue skin thing is more likely connected to some cultural status symbol.

once you obtain a rank like Lord/Baron/Count. ETC in the Orokins ranks you could undergo whatever turns their skin blue.

[ocean geyser]

It might just be the lighting but it felt like Roathe was bluer than Ballas

Even more so than the Entrati too

[proper barn]

Their gay Margerine.

[sudden shard]

fair enough

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/they-were-roommates-ohmygod-ohmygod-they-were-roommates-gif-13171811792749378048

[strange turtle]

The blue was just a fashion thing, as was the arm

And it doesn’t seem to have been a strict ranking system as much as there were castes and particular positions and organisations within the caste

[strange turtle]

It’s actually a really simple procedure, done with “Refacia kits” which are just like, needle looking things

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-needle-injection-grunts-gif-16417572

[dark compass]

at least its not a sharpie bath

[strange turtle]

The Orokin were also just simply, above everyone else. It wasn’t a matter of them being a particular level of standing in the caste system (though they were at the highest level)

Their superiority was a “forbidden question”, and even the highest castes we know of were unquestionably far beneath them

[strange turtle]

Is that what the homestuck cosplayers used in The Incidents

[dark compass]

nobody knows if this was real

but allegedly someone did that

according to a 4chan copypasta

so the source is already rather dubious

orokin have advanced far since those days

Oh yeah, speaking of technology

actually this might be the wrong channel, gotta go in spoilers

[strange turtle]

Instead they inject the sharpie

Much more sophisticated

[fast dew]

Chat uh. Where did Albrecht sleep in the backroom, if it was his initially? I don't see no bed so is he like. Sleeping on a couch 😭

[mighty snow]

I just imagined him sleeping on the floor curled up with Kalymos

[misty salmon]

Sleep is for people who didn't have access to Orokin caffeinated beverages.

[fast dew]

He doesn't when he's stuck in 1999 permanently, i don't think

If he does hed use them up pretty quickly

What if Kalymos stole each sleeping spot so he just. Sleeps on the concrete 💔

[mighty snow]

😭

Rest in peace his back oml

[fast dew]

Either option is gonna kill his back

Couches aren't the best, nor is concrete

At least the concrete is cold in summer, so there's that

[dark compass]

It's definitely the couch, alongside Kalymos

Or he was just passing out while working

Not used to not having 5 billion orokin drugs in his veins

[strange turtle]

We do so, presumably

Genuinely don’t get that tbh

Like this man owned a whole store in Hollvania’s big mall

[fast dew]

Ew do not make me think we sleep in the same spot as a old ass man 😭

[strange turtle]

And is a furniture designer

[fast dew]

Yeah he has so many random hobbies

[grizzled patrol]

what is la cathedral and the 3 protoframes there? They are accessible after old peace but i have no clue what their relation is with the story

[strange turtle]

The cathedral is a cathedral. The protoframes are 2 clergy members and Roathe, an Orokin

[grizzled patrol]

but like who are they, what is there purpose, why did they appear after old peace etc etc

[strange turtle]

Their relationship to the story is what Loid tells you in the message and what they tell you themselves, it doesn’t really go deeper than that

[strange turtle]

Did you not check the PC?

[fast dew]

Albrecht went to xx99 and stayed in a church, seeking redemption. ||He offered Marie and Lyon the protoframe serums, and after a few years, left again but not before abandoning Roathe after injecting him with another serum. Roathe is one of the people behind the rebellion, along with Executor Nitokh.||

[grizzled patrol]

so albrecht somehow took and abandoned roathe there basically

while giving him a serum

[fast dew]

Mhm. No clue how he got Roathe's ass, but he did. Kidnapped him.

[grizzled patrol]

I did get the initial message but I thought I mightve missed something massive coz it felt like it came outta left field

since all it said was that they arrived

[river rover]

Did the tenno get in the lua pods after the old peace or were they still out and walking during the naga drums?

[grizzled patrol]

but ig i can learn more about them from their kim conversations

[strange turtle]

Got in Lua pods after old peace

[river rover]

Ahhh but the second dream is implied from what I remember to be the second time they went in the pods but for so long they forgot they were human

so did the leave the pods after going in the first time

[strange turtle]

It’s not that they forgot, rather the memory got suppressed by Margulis

Like what Teshin talked about in war within

[river rover]

Man I gotta replay the story quests, miss my goat

[fast dew]

I should replay whispers in the walls

[strange turtle]

Didn’t leave except for the stuff we see in that one cutscene where Lotus uses us as a laser, as far as we know

Plus the stuff with Voruna ig

[river rover]

Another question didn't margulis get executed after the old peace because of what we did?

do we know when she gets jade lighted?

green beamed

[strange turtle]

Not because of what we did, but because of what she did to protect us after the framing

But yeah, it should be somewhere close to Old Peace end

[marble hound]

Question. Are Kullervo and Oraxia a creation of Ballas like almost every other warframe or the Drifter alongside Duviri itself?

[iron tiger]

If we tried to taxonomically/biologically classify the infestation what would its category be?

If it even counts as alive

[iron tiger]

Ballas made them

[stiff fable]

infectious parasite?

some kind of retrovirus

[iron tiger]

I mean it also grows by itself I believe so you can’t really call it a true parasite

[stiff fable]

pfft that's actually extra funny for techrot

[iron tiger]

Wdym?

Ya know there’s also the possibility that the infestation is a form of nanotechnology

Or maybe a xenobot

[stiff fable]

retrovirus + retro technology

[strange turtle]

Not just retro technology

[iron tiger]

Ahhh I see

[strange turtle]

Virus

[iron tiger]

Do viruses normally give off spores?

[strange turtle]

Can you say for certain that bonzi buddy wasn’t connected to and partially spread by a fungal hivemind in eastern europe?

[iron tiger]

Uhhh no

I had to look that up

Is he like grimaces cousin or sum

[strange turtle]

He was like a malware or something

[strange turtle]

…it just occurred to me that this bit about techrot is really missable

It’s literally a virus

Like it doesn’t just physically infect tech it can use wifi to spread and stuff

There’s mentions of practicing online safety and turning off your internet and computers because it can just do that in infested areas ig

[stiff fable]

it's probably one of the reasons the Orokin don't have that kind of network

The cephalon weave is the closest thing to it

[iron tiger]

Every time we learn more about the infestation their power is much more than what I would I think to be possible

[silk atlas]

"Is your friend really your friend?" poster with the handing off of a floppy

[iron tiger]

How does the the weave differ from the internet? Does it not use radio waves?

[stiff fable]

It falls into the category of "spooky Orokin bullshit"

[strange turtle]

The weave is woven really tight, because they used advanced future knots

[stiff fable]

It's literally a place made by their minds somehow, but you can also visit it through some form of mental projection

[silk atlas]

Why would it? It's a "physical" place that the Cephalons can go into. Even today, there are also intranets that people and companies use that are systems that are closed off to the public at large.

[strange turtle]

The internet? No weaving, no knots, it’s like a wall of loose string

[stiff fable]

which is how you access the Leverian, Nihil's Oubliette and that fight with Hunhow in Suda's mind

[iron tiger]

Oh I see so captain meant it wasn’t a widespread open network? But what do you mean by physical isn’t it a digital simulated environment?

[stiff fable]

ish

[silk atlas]

That's why physical is in quotes

[stiff fable]

Like, it's one step beyond "your mind making it real"

[iron tiger]

So it doesn’t use radio waves but then how do people in the original system communicate?

[silk atlas]

Different thing that isn't the Weave. Cephalons use the Weave and most things don't just happen to fall into it or use it.

[iron tiger]

Psychic communication? Perhaps quantum entanglement? Neutrino communication? Those are the only things I can think of that are possible

[stiff fable]

higher order communications via the Void

[iron tiger]

Or just blatant void magic

[iron tiger]

Yep makes sense now

[strange turtle]

Photonic stuff?

[iron tiger]

That is radio waves

[strange turtle]

Well it’s the only actual confirmed stuff

Cubic Dioides: Vital components used in the creation of Corpus photon-networks.

[stiff fable]

and it's worth noting that Corpus stuff is particularly vulnerable to infestation...

[iron tiger]

Now that I think about it yeah, corpus ships are always infested to the core on every surface. And we never see infested grineer machines

[stiff fable]

Grineer use a lot of dumb tech

[iron tiger]

Ballistics

[fast dew]

It works tho

[iron tiger]

Mechanics

[fast dew]

It may be dumb, but it works

[stiff fable]

Power tools, ballistics, chemicals

[iron tiger]

Vs the corpus who use robotics and electronics

[stiff fable]

Dumb as in "not smart tech", not dumb as in "bad idea". It definitely works.

[iron tiger]

Or photonics i guess

[fast dew]

Moas are so cute

[stiff fable]

I named my MOA Oddjob because of the hat

[fast dew]

There's a moa in... the perrin sequence? The corpus syndicate, and it is such a silly goober

[iron tiger]

Not really the grineer and sentients have cuter “sentinels”

[stiff fable]

Pretty sure that's the same one that gets squashed by the Jackal

[fast dew]

NOOO

[stiff fable]

It also shows up in... Iron Wake, I want to say?

[iron tiger]

I’m surprised we’ve never seen an infested jackal before

[strange plinth]

ye that's popcorn isn't it?

[fast dew]

THE MOA HAS A NAME???

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Popcorn

[strange plinth]

popcorn gets crushed by the jackal and shows up in iron wake
prolly not the same one in perrin

[stiff fable]

A user named Corpusbonds asked if they could adopt the MOA and name it "Popcorn", but PlayWarframe replied that it may be too late for Popcorn.

hahahaha

I actually had someone get got by the Jackal's intro a few weeks back

[fast dew]

My baby

[iron tiger]

Does anyone know the name of the grineer drones on the plains of eidolon that sometimes spawn

I rarely see them but they’re so cute and petite

[stiff fable]

er, the lures?

[iron tiger]

Nope, the ones I’m taking about are hostile

[stiff fable]

obviously not the thumpers

[iron tiger]

The sikula

But there is a plains version and a Uranus version

[fast dew]

Not me lowkey realising the Kuria looks like the lesser worm queen

[iron tiger]

Ahah eureka I have found it!

Behold the carabus!!!

[stiff fable]

oh huh

[iron tiger]

I honestly remember these being cuter

I want them in sentinel form rn

[ocean geyser]

i don't think these show up on the plains of eidolon

you might be thinking of the seeker drones

[ocean geyser]

its a dethcube skin

[iron tiger]

Yooo what I didn’t know

[ocean geyser]

you might be thinking of these

the lil winged guys

[iron tiger]

Nope I wasn’t

[iron tiger]

These guys are super obscure

[ocean geyser]

ah tusk commanders summon them

[iron tiger]

Yeah that’s why

[iron tiger]

Back to the reason this discussion started

So if the grineer use machinery and ballistics, corpus use robotics and photonics, the infested uhhhh idk

The orokin seemingly used electronics built into meaty structures, bionics if you will

[stiff fable]

100% GMO free

[iron tiger]

The sentients are a synthetic form of bionics, not meat and bone but something else entirely

[stiff fable]

The Orokin were originally high-tech but the Sentients hijacking their technology made them swap

[iron tiger]

Do you think all the structures we see on lua, the void and such were built after this?

[stiff fable]

broadly, yes

[iron tiger]

Do you think the Zariman was what it was like before

But we see Zariman aesthetics in the world seeds

[stiff fable]

yes actually, the Zariman left before the Old War

So it has a bunch of the Orokin's original technology base built in. Same for the World Seeders, because they're also Zariman drones

(just, Zarimans one through nine)

[iron tiger]

Ohhhhhh right

That’s makes a lot of sense

But then why didn’t the sentients latch them?

The tech in ships maybe is different from the techs in robotics?

[stiff fable]

No, it's all the same.

The Sentients didn't grab them because they started arriving on Tau right around the Old Peace

[iron tiger]

Oh so we can assume that whatever process they use to latch technology is highly invasive

And needs to be in order to work

[iron tiger]

Also I just remembered that we use somatic links to communicate

With the lotus atleast

But what even is a somatic connection, I’m guessing a void derived telecommunication system?

[strange turtle]

Transference stuff

[iron tiger]

Transference is psychic yeah?

[ocean geyser]

Entrati boutta be naming himself after all the days in the week or something

[strange turtle]

It’s the Void stuff we use for our Warframes and Necramechs

[iron tiger]

Oh how very descriptive

[strange plinth]

doktor friday, cardinal [sunday]
-# i forget the actual word but the translation/meaning is sunday anyway
yeah

[iron tiger]

Such a way with words

[strange plinth]

its.. not really gone in-depth on. how transference works isn't known. the tenno are particularly good at it, but its also able to be recreated and/or boosted w/ somatics

[iron tiger]

Somatics are the physical aspects of transference like what wires are to electricity

Like the white trees we see in orokin towers and their fibers

[ocean geyser]

Those are arboriforms
Essentially Void trees
Which we also don’t know anything about

[dark compass]

Where did we get the name?

[ocean geyser]

It’s from the game

[iron tiger]

I think from an interactive console on the lua or void tile

[ocean geyser]

That’s what they’re called in the decorations section too, like in dojos

[iron tiger]

Also isn’t it Arboriform?

[ocean geyser]

Yeah typo

[iron tiger]

I have a feeling they might be a void touched strain of infestation or just a void touched tree

[dark compass]

Oh I see

My lack of ikeaframe efforts is showing

[ocean geyser]

Probably the latter since the infestation doesn’t handle the void well

Most of the time at least

[iron tiger]

Yeah I’ve heard that the infested on Deimos were scared of Wally

[humble sierra]

They can sense the Heart of Deimos, which has a steady "one two three" beat. A rap tap tap, if you will

[ocean geyser]

I’m pretty sure they were getting freaked out because Wally was turning his attention towards Deimos

[humble sierra]

https://www.warframe.com/news/transcript-of-unauthorized-broadcast-attributed-to-unknown-vessel

[ocean geyser]

Latrox described it as knocking
So I doubt it’s the heart

[marble hound]

Then how are they in Duviri? If there is no lore behind it and it's just gameplay reasons okay but is there any lore that explains how are 2 Warframes that the Drifter never saw in their life in a city made only by the book the drifter read as a child?

[fast dew]

Albrecht mentioned

[dark compass]

Duviri is a manifested space in the void

[dark compass]

Kullervo just fell there

No clue about Oraxia

[fast dew]

... you know what would be bad

If oraxia came from ||Albrecht's dead wife||

[dark compass]

Inaros...

How could you do this to Albrecht

[tall echo]

Oraxia was brought there by albrecht

[marble hound]

Sorry for my ignorance but I thought Grandma was the mother of Mother and therefore Albrecht's ex wife. (Talking about the Deimos family)

[fast dew]

... the entrati family is a bit messed up but they aint a damn bush 😭
-# I mean this as a funny joke

Grandmother is father's Mother, not Mother's.

But no, Albrecht's wife was another person. Wasnt even a willing marriage.

She was apparently "given" to Albrecht in an attempt to "calm him down". Gross.

[humble sierra]

Kullervo landed there, basically just like Teshin and the Lotus's hand.

[marble hound]

Thanks for clarifying. Is there any mention of her, maybe a hint of what happened to her? To be fair Albrecht transforming her into a spider (Like a metaphor of him being trapped in her web) would make sense but I don't think that would happen

[fast dew]

"Go have a family" proceeds to have a child and said child ends up just as insane as him

[humble sierra]

Before the Devil's Triad, we knew that she was "gone" somehow, but it was unclear if that meant she left or died. The new chats reveal more.

[marble hound]

Do we know from where does Kullervo come from? Like we know where Teshin and Lotus hand came from but what about Kullervo?

[fast dew]

We don't actually know. She just died after Euleria's birth.

I like to think she died in child birth. Would be interesting.

[stiff fable]

He was an early Warframe

[humble sierra]

Somehow he ended up in the void after failing to kill an Executor (I think during the Night of the Naga Drums?)

[fast dew]

My main question is how a orokin, if she was one, died in the first place 😭

[stiff fable]

He ended up killing another Orokin on Ballas's behalf, and Ballas screwed him over for it

[humble sierra]

Might've been his own personal smaller rebellion though

[stiff fable]

no, not an executor

[fast dew]

... I thought it was?

I thought it was supposed to be ballas lol

[humble sierra]

Despite having 30% playtime on him I know only the basics of his lore

[lean garden]

Wasnt it ballas he failed to kill

[fast dew]

Yeah, i thought thats why the warden looks like that

[marble hound]

I mean, as far as Ik Orokins are not completly immortal persee but just stop aging although they can still die from other situations

[stiff fable]

No, he killed an Orokin for Ballas

[marble hound]

Ooooh, do we know what executor he failed to kill? Imagine that same executor survived just like Ballas

[stiff fable]

Then several hundred years later he went gunning for Ballas in exchange for the betrayal, which is when Ballas tossed him into the Void

[marble hound]

Oh okay

[lean garden]

which is exactly what arkadia said

[stiff fable]

So the original crime wasn't an executor

[humble sierra]

ignore the quote

[fast dew]

Yeah, but its stupidly unlikely. Along with the whole "given" aspect. Wasnt aware other orokin could be given to another.

[stiff fable]

Orokin can be permakilled, it's just that killing their meat body is just step 1

[humble sierra]

Was she an Orokin? Or did she become an Orokin after entering the marriage?

Presumably Grandmother became an Orokin because of her son's achievements

[stiff fable]

unlikely tbh

[fast dew]

Im not fully sure. You'd expect her to be, but why would an orokin die ages before the night of the naga drums?

[humble sierra]

Only asking because I haven't gotten that chat

[stiff fable]

She already had an Orokin name

[marble hound]

Now that I think about it. What do you think Ballas would have looked like in a human form before becoming an Orokin?

[fast dew]

Oh, yeah and her son didn't do shit lol

Best he did was necramechs, which was a failure

[humble sierra]

Damn so even he married into his status

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[stiff fable]

the necramechs were less a failure and more killed early

he never got a chance to refine them the way Ballas did the Warframes

[fast dew]

Unlikely. It was probably just orokin/orokin marriage.

If Grandmother had her orokin name, Her son would've.

[stiff fable]

who knows, it's possible that Operators could have saved the Necramech program

[marble hound]

Why did Margulis not have her skin color blue, she was an Orokin right? If not then maybe it was kinda like that situtation

[fast dew]

||Dagath Vorten...||

[stiff fable]

But also we know that Orokin actually fought in the war too, so Father piloting a railjack isn't disqualifying

[stiff fable]

She wasn't an Orokin

[fast dew]

Nup. She... should've? But I think it was because of how wildly taboo their relationship was, she never became one

[marble hound]

Then maybe Albrecht's wife wasn't either

[stiff fable]

the fact that she was a wife suggests otherwise tbh

[fast dew]

Margulis also could've just refused the surgeries and the like.

[stiff fable]

The orokin really really cared about status

[fast dew]

Orokin folk aren't blue by nature after all

[stiff fable]

we've never had any indication that she was elevated

[humble sierra]

Are there Archimedian Orokins? I was under the assumption that Archimedians were a step below

[stiff fable]

there are not, no

Archimedeans are a social class as well

[fast dew]

Well, Daughter was to be one, but was disqualified on a technicality

[stiff fable]

Similar to Dax

[ashen pulsar]

archimedeans were the rank below those of the orokin

[stiff fable]

the technicality is almost certainly "being Orokin"

[fast dew]

You can probably train to be one, but you wouldn't have the title

[ashen pulsar]

orokin society was like if you took a social pyramid and started making 800 divisions between soldiers and rulers

[fast dew]

Like Albrecht could, he has that weird diadem thing that yonta has, and he has specifically an Archimedian assistant

Albrecht also has a fire extinguisher in the netracells

Wonder what that could mean

[ashen pulsar]

clearly didn’t work in roathe’s memories

[marble hound]

What was the Human and Orokin status "lvls" again?

[stiff fable]

It means he was doing alchemy

as far as we know?

[ashen pulsar]

This is a joke by the way, I know that it’s just our mind’s interpretation of his memories.

[fast dew]

Albrecht also has a non-functional kuria on the cat bed in the netracells

[stiff fable]

The Emperors
Seven Executors
Orokin
Archimedean
Dax
Everyone else
Grineer

[fast dew]

Kalymos w da cat toy what she gonna do

[ashen pulsar]

but there’s a ton of ranks orokin can have

[marble hound]

If Albrecht had created Lavos instead of Ballas I would have thought that he learnt Alchemy from the guy that was transformed into the Warframe

[ashen pulsar]

including emperor or executor

[stiff fable]

we don't know any specifics

[fast dew]

Well. The entrati family had a connection to Ballas. Albrecht did at least.

[stiff fable]

Like, sure, grand carnus. How does that relate to the leaders of Orokin Houses?

We don't know

[ashen pulsar]

true

we do know vice regent is probably the rank under executor.

[stiff fable]

So, to be accurate and factual we have to post it like that

[ashen pulsar]

right?

[stiff fable]

ehhhhhhh.... no I don't think so

Nitokh IS one of the Seven Executors, not a substitute

[fast dew]

Well, Regent seems to be a whole other thing, as Nitokh has it iirc

[stiff fable]

oh unless vice regent is Roathe's title, in which case yes

[ashen pulsar]

like the right hand of an executor, eg roathe to nitokh

[ashen pulsar]

maybe

[marble hound]

I still don't understand how we never saw an emperor. Also I don't understand how Ballas (the literal focus for the Tenno) survived and the Emperors who should have had more protection than the executors didn't

[stiff fable]

the emperors didn't actually rule the empire

They were figureheads. The Seven were the true rulers.

[fast dew]

Its a old concept that seemed to be retconned or ignored until now

So they were incredibly neglected, lorewise

[stiff fable]

similar to Japan's shogunate

Yes, there was an emperor who ruled Japan, but the emperor couldn't take a walk without asking the shogun's permission

[ashen pulsar]

and there may very well have been feudal lords as well

[stiff fable]

much less handle affairs of state

[ashen pulsar]

it’s hard ruling a solar system

[stiff fable]

presumably that's the Orokin Houses

[marble hound]

But they seemed to follow the emperors rules or tasks so idk.
@fast dew If DE brought back the Emperors must be for something.

[stiff fable]

They're expanding on the Orokin backstory

So, Dualism

Sol and Lua = the two emperors

[ashen pulsar]

they execute the emperor’s wishes, i’d assume

[ocean geyser]

Im pretty sure the full thing is Vice Regent Grand Carnus
So yeah

[stiff fable]

not anymore

sorry, that was the "execute emperor's wishes" thing

[ashen pulsar]

I don’t think it’s that relevant to orokin history. dualism was dropped early on in the empire.

[stiff fable]

The system was probably intended that way but in practice the executors did what they wanted and the emperors were rolled out for ceremonies

[stiff fable]

correct but the remnants of it are everywhere

The Seven Executors themselves are a reference to Dualism

if you look at Lyon's cards there are seven "things" under the Sol and Lua figures

Seven stars and seven rays

[marble hound]

Thought Sol and Lua were like the gods. I mean Lyon follows Lua and Marie follows Sol so...

[stiff fable]

The Orokin used Dualism's religious symbolism during the takeover

[ashen pulsar]

but then,what happens is that dualism is dropped for the vain faith and the remnants of society based on dualism are forgotten to be anything but orokin

[stiff fable]

They ditched it once they started worshipping themselves, but the symbolism is supposed to persist in Orokin society

[stiff fable]

They stop worshipping the luminaries but keep the ceremonies

hence why the alignment system is Sol/Lua, it's a thing in-universe

[ashen pulsar]

without a dualist connotation however. in their minds, it’s an orokin ceremony not a dualist one

[stiff fable]

yeah exactly

[solar salmon]

Even then duality of soul and body itself is kinda inherent to the process of continuity so they're never truly rid of it

Would the Oro be Sol and the body itself Lua in this case? Is this retreading commonly discussed themes?

[wind ruin]

The Orokin Emperors were the majority shareholders; the Executors are the actual CEO's who run the empire.

[plain reef]

Are cephalons considered clankers?

[silk atlas]

Not robots so exempt by design.

[viscid aspen]

We finally have a name for Albrecht's wife

[tall echo]

no, but sentients are

[lilac aspen]

Cephalons are altered data of people turned into said data basically
Digital

They’re those filthy pixels

[proper barn]

Do you really wanna call things names that badly?

[silk atlas]

People love having an excuse to say slurs

[ocean geyser]

See
Daklo already made his own
Therefore Sentients aren’t Clankers

[proper barn]

I wanted to say that

But it sounded too inflammatory.

[silk atlas]

There's no other reason for it, frankly.

[silk atlas]

No, he had to make one to discriminate against Sentients because he himself was piloting a robot.

[tame meadow]

I know no one knows this but I wonder what the significance of seeing amar in the old peace will have

Will we restore the archons eventually? perhaps free era?

[tall echo]

no

the existence of archon hunts doomed the archons to eternal suffering

[humble sierra]

Eh, they could imply that we only hunt them once each, otherwise it would leave Pazuul/Erra stagnant too

[tall echo]

yes

[pine orchid]

it was all a loop, or part of the dark refractory
we've always been in the dark refractory until now we see the dark refractory /j

I would love to see the original forms of all the archons including pazuul tho, I was so sad we only got to see Amar and that I can't pet him........

[restive river]

The fact they designed one to me implies they thought about the others too

Very possible we see them at some point in some way

[pine orchid]

I hope so! whether it be through refractory or some other way

[ashen pulsar]

more tau info, maybe

[pine orchid]

I wanna see big owl! big snek! big sheepie!

[ashen pulsar]

come to think of it, if the head of the ram is here, could pazuul still have some connection to tau?

[humble sierra]

Would be sick to see in the Echoes of the Old Peace update

[ashen pulsar]

he could've maybe brought it from tau with the intention of a fourth archon tho :/

[restive river]

Would this question not extend to the others?

On the assumption their bodies lie in Tau

[ashen pulsar]

we dont know if the archons are from here or tau do we

[restive river]

All the archons came over during the old war, we don’t know in what capacity iirc

[ashen pulsar]

oh?

[restive river]

We do?
Hunhow made the archons IN Tau, Natah learned and met some of them IN Tau, they’re all from Tau in the same way she is

[ashen pulsar]

alright

but the head of the ram wasn't put on an archon yet. either it recently came from tau or erra brought it from tau in the beginning. either way, someone collected his body and used the ram's head to create pazuul.

[restive river]

All the sentients in the Origin System were within Praghsa when they took the solar rail toward the end of the Old War

Hunhow specifically would then cut off the Origin system from Tau by destroying the rail

[ashen pulsar]

oh okay

[restive river]

It didn’t recently come from Tau, there is no way to and from Tau presently

[ashen pulsar]

as far as we know

[restive river]

Eh

Hunhow destroyed the rail and there is no other way there

Hence Ballas wanting to make a void portal there

[ashen pulsar]

probably more likely that erra or someone higher ranking brought it. which gives us the question, who is really behind the new narmer?

[restive river]

In theory Yonta knows how to get there but the Zariman can’t really be used

[restive river]

Pazuul.

[ashen pulsar]

someone's behind him tho

[restive river]

The archons were on Praghsa, including Pazuul

[ashen pulsar]

someone created him

[restive river]

Iirc Nira is responsible for that

[ashen pulsar]

is she?

I don't think we know that

[restive river]

(mission start, variant) Lotus: "Nira. Could she somehow be responsible for what Erra has become? A repayment for what he did to her? The Serpent is old, Tenno, and full of secrets."

(mission start, variant) Lotus: "Who whispered dreams of dominion into Pazuul's ear? Who keeps Erra suppressed and tormented with delusions? The stench of Nira's venom is upon this, Tenno."

There may be more in here but that’s just what I immediately saw

https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-lotus-archon-hunt/

[ashen pulsar]

someone within narmer definitely did but I assumed the archons were out of comission for the time being when erra died

[restive river]

There kinda isn’t another party that could do anything

Unless there’s a mystery character that we don’t know about but that honestly feels tacked on when we have lines about Nira

Natah/Lotus would have known Nira so like

[pine orchid]

I may be reading into this weirdly but the implication that it was Nira gives me biblical vibes

[ashen pulsar]

so nira kinda whispers in pazuul's ear, even as he sends her to her death time and time again

[pine orchid]

Nira the snake, sentient fragments gaining independence after partaking of the flower, smthsmth snake and apple of eden XD

/hj mostly

[ashen pulsar]

nira could control pazuul to do anything, but she just makes him more hateful and more ambitious

[restive river]

We’re the ones going after them what

They aren’t going after us we go after them, that’s what the archon hunts are
Finding them

[ashen pulsar]

they're waiting for us.

[restive river]

Cause we’re hunting them down
To stop them

(bypassing gate for second phase, variant) Lotus: "I do not know if Pazuul is truly the leader of the Archons or their puppet. Of all of them, only Nira has the guile to seduce Erra like this."

[ashen pulsar]

so he isn't sending them to their deaths, but it isn't like they're hiding. ig they know they can come back.

we should really learn to dispose of bodies

[restive river]

The only ones that are repeated problems are sentients tbh

Which makes sense due to their adaptation

[ashen pulsar]

nira just fuels the flames of narmer's expansion for whatever reason

is her goal just domination?

actually, the archons are all the ones in control.

(mission start, variant) Lotus: "Whatever Pazuul may preach, Boreal and his fellow Beasts are the ones destined to rule. Erra is merely a tool to them. We must strike where we can."

[restive river]

(mission start, variant) Lotus: "To rebuild Paradise, Pazuul's Narmer will destroy all those they consider 'makers'. Archon Nira will be at the forefront of the slaughter."

[ocean geyser]

I know New War had like
3 rewrites or something
But i feel like Erra got done dirty
Bro had 20 minutes of screen time and then got crushed by the cieling

And then they grafted Pazuul’s stupid ass onto him

Cmon bro

[ashen pulsar]

nira may be the one giving the "orders" but boreal isn't being controlled either.

[restive river]

Erra showed up, got blasted, somehow lived, fell for Ballas’ lies
Proceeded to further help Ballas to his dad drilled it into his head that Orokin are bad
And then he got buried and body snatched by the Archons

[stray herald]

so how did some of the sentients retain their agency after the xenoflora git wiped out?

[ashen pulsar]

so this is interesting. pazuul is a figurehead, since the one they serve, the ram, is dead. ig they hoped putting his head on erra would return him, but it created our pazuul, the insane consciousness of erra messing with the thoughts of the ram

or the opposite

[restive river]

Xenoflora only gave independence to the fragments

[stray herald]

fragments?

[restive river]

Hence why Lotus, Hunhow, Erra and all whole sentients are chilling

[restive river]

Remember how Hunhow spoke through War?

That’s a fragment of Hunhow

The mimics we encounter are fragments of Natah

[ashen pulsar]

either way, this ram/erra pazuul is not the one they want to serve, so they put him on a pedestal and made him their puppet?

(mission start, variant) Lotus: "Archon Boreal serves only the Ram. He cares nothing for the twisted servant that carries him, the being I once called brother. Destroy Boreal, and Erra's mind may become clear again."

[restive river]

Sentients can break pieces off and control them remotely, functionally a hivemind

[ashen pulsar]

weiiiirdddd

[stray herald]

so like the 'drones' of the sentients? like the bracolyst typholyst?

[restive river]

Yeah, those would be fragments

The sentient Adis revives? Fragment that consumed xenoflora

[stray herald]

so is itzam a fragment or the main person?

[ashen pulsar]

fragment

[stray herald]

also just thinking on the old peace quest, lotus said the thing 'tau is in sight', the same thing Al said. she further talks about how tau will no longer be as the tenno or she remembers.

does that mean that we are physically going to tau?

[silk atlas]

They mentioned that Tau is gonna be 2026

[stray herald]

like a new star system? like the perita radar thing we saw during the old peace quest?

[ashen pulsar]

he's a summulyst

[ashen pulsar]

but that's just perita

[stray herald]

I wonder if the perita base will be used as a hub

[ashen pulsar]

tauron academy is very much in ruins

it was already in ruins when we saw it at the end of the old peace

[stray herald]

I wonder if the perita base will be used as a hub

[ashen pulsar]

I assume the perita base you are referring to is tauron academy

and im saying its unlikely

if it's something else then idk

[ashen pulsar]

again, us and the sentients and the grineer combined absolutely destroyed the place

[stray herald]

take it as a jest

[waxen mesa]

so someone remind me what the point of each of the cavia in the bell was

Tagfer and Minn were to serve as a unique 'offering'.

I know Fibbonacci was nothing too special, but i don't remember the specifics or what bird 3's purpose was

[silk atlas]

They weren't special is the point

[stray herald]

what was the bell's purpose?

[silk atlas]

The thing to send stuff into the Void

[tall echo]

diving bell

[eager briar]

Odd the orokin granted someone so defiant prime status(yareli)

[stiff fable]

the model worked

(Also the prime trailers aren't necessarily about the prime versions)

[eager briar]

Imagine sliming your lover, and instantly that gives you the idea to make a cat girl with a whip

[tulip bramble]

This damn game

[tall echo]

Grow up.

[ashen pulsar]

its you not the game

[solar salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-new-war-warframe-khal-kill-gif-22385990

the way that switch brrt I know he dyin ig

[wind ruin]

1899 is supposed to be the year; Marie references The Revolution. And even then there was a certain... callousness about children with congenital deformities.

[solar salmon]

human empathy has always existed but those who fall through the cracks of society or are seen as "leeching off" of the work of able bodied people always end up being scorned

constant to any era

[wind ruin]

That's why Marie was given to the Church. Her parents didn't want to or couldn't support her.

[solar salmon]

she makes it a point saying she tried her best didnt she

I should revisit those convos

[dusty folio]

so i have a rough idea of what possible year xx99 is

[solar salmon]

we also gotta consider even if the revolution is happening and we have big event markers the earth of warframe and ours is not one to one, iirc reb outright says they picked and chose a bunch of influences they wanted in there to build a unique and familiar vibe

[dusty folio]

lyon's writing(typeing) style and way of speaking along with marie speaks and types. also with how they both reacted not so fondly to the alchamy level in decendia.

also viva la revolution. the french revolution ended in 1799.

its possibly 1799

[fast dew]

Ehh. Ima guess its 1899

Given multiple cut things and time cues, ima guess irs 1899

Also, apparently, this was coming from another French person, Marie types more accurately to someone in our time

[dusty folio]

true

[fast dew]

We can't rely on much. The cathedral could date back to 1200s for all we know

[solar salmon]

a la revoyure is very unc french but its still used like

ironically sometimes

[fast dew]

Eh, from what I've heard it's just a more friendly variant of hello

[solar salmon]

maybe we use it diff in quebec

[fast dew]

Mm, wait wrong word I think?

[dusty folio]

i could look at my kim convo for where she said it

also quick question

[fast dew]

Oh maybe, she apparently is closer to Quebec's variant of French than European French

[dusty folio]

square spagetti

[fast dew]

Mhm.

Gelatine could've held its form

[dusty folio]

who else got that with aurther

[solar salmon]

I got kaya bullying me for not knowing how to bake a cake

[dusty folio]

lol

i may have got it once

[iron tiger]

So let me get the straight the known executors are: Nitokh, Karishh, Ballas, Tuvul and Avantus

So if there are seven we’re missing 2

[restive river]

You’re missing Tormis and Scarne

[iron tiger]

Oh shit nvm

[restive river]

Avantus, Nitokh, Tuvul, Tormis, Scarne, Karrish, Ballas

[iron tiger]

Do we know which ones had the statues in the Taunton academy

[restive river]

All of them?

[proven spire]

some of their statues are also on the zariman

[restive river]

That’s how we know what they look like
We know their names from the stream

[restive river]

Only Tuvul

Zariman doesn’t have anyone else

[solar salmon]

I wonder how accurate their statues are if we see some of them, Albrecht doesn't seem true to his at all, Ballas is tho

[strange plinth]

iirc 3 of the statues were inaccessible in tauron academy
but they were still in the files so

[solar salmon]

Hope we get tauron academy as a captura scene

[iron tiger]

Woahhhh, I only saw 4 of them

[restive river]

Albrecht’s is likely of him before a lot of his stuff went down
But Ballas’ is 1:1 so the rest of the Seven’s likely are too

Albrecht’s an odd one when compared to the rest of the Orokin so I doubt he commissioned the statues

[iron tiger]

Tormis looks like he’d be named Brad

[restive river]

Yeah lol

[solar salmon]

Brother hates himself he probably asked for the idols of him to be more symbolic on purpose

All the value seems to be put in his work and nothing else

[iron tiger]

I love how diverse all the seven look

[restive river]

Same

[iron tiger]

Scarne look the eldest

[restive river]

I kinda hope either Scarne or Tormis survived somehow just so we can kill em

[restive river]

Means nothing when they can hop bodies lol

Bro just wanted to look like that 1000%

[iron tiger]

I mean I’m not surprised

[solar salmon]

What if he's dumb as bricks but wants to look learned

[restive river]

LOL

nah the Orokin are pretty smart

[solar salmon]

Hes defo eugenicd and body modded to be the smartest possible I don't doubt that's the baseline for any orokin that's up in the hierarchy

[restive river]

Iirc Roathe literally remade the helminth using nothing but his blood so like

[iron tiger]

Woah that is super impressive

[solar salmon]

Theyre also old as hell and considering roathes reaction to not having the memories of how his whole devil backstory thing went down they're definitely not used to forgetting anything

I think it wouldn't be a stretch to say they prolly figured out photographic memory

[restive river]

Oh memories are VERY important to the Orokin

[solar salmon]

Maybe that's why they had such high demands of ayatan technology

[restive river]

It’s why being a cephalon is so terrible

[iron tiger]

Avantus has a doorknob on her head and what appears to be a knife from the flintstones house in her hand

[restive river]

I think thats a paintbrush lol

[iron tiger]

Oh wait it is lol

[restive river]

I wonder what works she made
Or if she’s behind the whole orokin aesthetic

[iron tiger]

I mean paintbrushes are Paleolithic to them at the point in time they’re in

[pine orchid]

maybe it's like a 3d printer paintbrush

technology and all

[iron tiger]

Orokin aesthetic changed from pre-war to post-war

[solar salmon]

She could be a historian ig but considering hm roathe goes on about how they loved the arts she probably pulverized kids and used their sludge to paint beauty beyond compare or sumn

[restive river]

Oh yeah
This old art is now confirmed to be Avantus!

[proven spire]

old guy with the cane is prolly chill

[restive river]

Even got the brush

[restive river]

Scarne?
Nah none of them were chill lol

They’re 1. Orokin and 2. Part of the Seven
They ain’t good people

[solar salmon]

Tbf Shawzins were probably paleolithic to them also I think they simply stuck to tradition and the rule of cool

[proven spire]

the chillest of the 7

[solar salmon]

He probably murdered one less dog on the way to work on the final day of the empire or something

[restive river]

I wanna say Roathe says Ballas was the least terrible of them so

[iron tiger]

He definitely said Ballas wasn’t the worst

[solar salmon]

Tbf in terms of large scale devastation most likely

[restive river]

Makes me hope that at least one other survived so we can smash their head in!

Paradoxically I think he said Ballas was also the most powerful

[solar salmon]

Ballas was certainly more scientifically and politically minded

If we go off the shit he pulls

[sick lark]

that blue skin made me remember the ballass

[iron tiger]

Ballas survived because he made a deal with the sentients, if we see another one they would’ve had to have pulled sum crazy shi to still be around

[restive river]

He also had legit loved someone which is wild to say for an Orokin of his standing

[restive river]

Yeah she’s an Orokin like him lol

[solar salmon]

He was obsessed

[sick lark]

and he was the reason why sentients got tau system

[restive river]

Wdym, that’s now how he survived?
That was his plan but things went differently

[restive river]

It did seem to start as pure actual love, quickly turned into obsession and when she loved anything else to any other degree he broke

[sick lark]

we didnt see the actual death of ballas maybe wally revive him for his work

[restive river]

No we
We did literally see him die

[iron tiger]

He was hiding out in praghasa this whole time no?

[restive river]

He is very dead now

[solar salmon]

While roathe says orokin are prone to love deeply and strongly it sounds like they were a lot more childish than anything else

[restive river]

What lmao no, he was on Lua
He was likely in stasis while Lua was in the void

[solar salmon]

If dagath's owners and ballas are anything to go off of

[sick lark]

( i meant the orokin immortality where they just switch bodies)

[restive river]

He
Would not be able to do continuity what lol

[iron tiger]

Hmmmmmm, where is that stated? A lot of things imply he was on praghasa

[restive river]

We see him die and his body just lays there, there’s no using continuity on him

Also why would Wally snatch him away for that, he specifically hates the Orokin

[restive river]

What implies he was on Praghasa??
And afaik nothing specifically states it but it lines up better than the alternative
He wasn’t just hiding out on her after the naga drums

[solar salmon]

Also Im p sure tenno are full counters to the orokins brand of immortality cuz even if his loose soul found a way to endure in any other case the tenno kill things dead with the void

[restive river]

He didn’t even trick the sentients into trusting him until the Sacrifice, keep in mind his initial plan was with Hunhow

[sick lark]

though we did not know but maybe ballas had agreement with wally like how entrati has and he came to collect his due

[restive river]

I mean if you stab them hard enough and they can’t do continuity they do just die

[solar salmon]

Is it old unused lore that their Oro sticks around

[restive river]

Albrecht doesn’t have an agreement with Wally and Ballas has never been shown to have any knowledge or relationship with Wally

[iron tiger]

He made a deal with sentients, he was likely plotting with Erra, when we go through the portal we end up on praghasa, lua makes no sense the orokin base of operations would’ve been searched thoroughly

Praghasa is at the edge of the system

[restive river]

We don’t even know if Oro is actually real so

[solar salmon]

I wonder if we get confirmation that that was the light we gave wally in tau

[solar salmon]

Considering Adis seemingly boosting ours with his

[restive river]

He made a deal with Hunhow
He would also have to be in stasis regardless
Also what portal?

[iron tiger]

Also you know how Ballas dropped a laser staff? I’m wondering if hers can do the same thing

[restive river]

Also Ballas’ first appearance is on Lua

[solar salmon]

Google ai is NOT a source

[iron tiger]

The one in apostasy prologue

[restive river]

nice AI overview that’s just blatantly incorrect.

[solar salmon]

It pulls from a bunch of forum theories

[restive river]

If enough people say something wrong on the internet the AI overview will spout it as fact.

[solar salmon]

It will also spout something as a fact if you search it as a specific enough question

[restive river]

Oh when he leaves?
Maybe? We don’t really know, again nothing really tells us where he was after the naga drums

[iron tiger]

I’m 98% sure DE was gonna give Ballas’ staff as a continuous laser bow type of weapon but turned it into a decoration

[restive river]

Lua makes more sense since it would have the tech he needs
Also we clearly didnt fully search it since Umbra was chilling

[iron tiger]

True I mean to me it’s 50/50

[solar salmon]

We should take Lyon to Lua and throw Marie into the sun I think they'd enjoy the field trip

Equivalent calm nice learning experiences

[restive river]

Marie has constant access to Sol, I think she’s good

I’m slamming Lyon into Lua like he’s Sampotes

Or whatever slam weapon is popular rn lol

[solar salmon]

Is that a noita enemy

[sick lark]

want me to show to reddit?

[restive river]

Show me a source from the game, AI and reddit aren’t definitive sources

[sick lark]

2nd thing then why wally was siting besides Albrecht at the end of the man in the wall

[iron tiger]

I wonder if this guy made every body he was in fat

[restive river]

That
Wasn’t Albrecht, that was both Wally

Wally can look like literally anyone

[restive river]

Bro had additional stomachs grafted on

[drowsy saddle]

He hungy

[solar salmon]

Do you think his coworkers bullied him whenever he was skinny cuz they knew it was a sore spot

[drowsy saddle]

Unfortunately grenball is hungrier

[iron tiger]

Wait really?!?

[restive river]

I love meatball

[restive river]

Yeah lol
He had to use an archwing to get around iirc

Hence why we have that archwing skin

[solar salmon]

The orokin probably loved ozempic

And doing weird blood transfusions

[iron tiger]

Lmao a whole archwing just to float

I wonder if his halo is some kind of atmospheric floaty

[solar salmon]

I actually could see an orokin eating till they almost literally burst and just cycling bodies to keep the debauchery and gluttony going

[restive river]

That’s Karrish!

[solar salmon]

Not an exactly unreasonable use of functional immortality if you've got a hard time getting out of the dopamine hole

[restive river]

It is when every body swap is literal murder

[solar salmon]

Oh by orokin standards I mean

[restive river]

Oh yeah ig lol

[iron tiger]

And kidnapping + some other implied crimes

[solar salmon]

I feel like there have been a lot of apologists in this chat after roathe dropped

😭 They systematically murder people

They got robot slave servants and also normal slave servants and also cloned slave servants just

Theyre quadruple dipping every atrocity

[iron tiger]

I mean there have been 18 radiation wars

[solar salmon]

Ballas' job beyond executor was probably sitting down and figuring out some aspect of human life they hadn't desecrated yet

[iron tiger]

I mean he ended the new war with the veil

[solar salmon]

Hes really good at that job

[iron tiger]

Though it’s far less invasive than the corrupted we see in the void

iirc the veil the corrupted have are litterally in their nose and mouths into the deepest parts of their body

[fast dew]

How delightfully horrific

[solar salmon]

Bodyhorrorframe is when warframes at its best fr

[marble pewter]

Question - What’s boolean LyonFake1 and LyonReal1 hinting at? That Lyon thinks the Void/Indifference is fake or real?

[fast dew]

No clue. What does the boolean connect to? Should activate on a certain message.

[marble pewter]

There’s multiple.. hmm hold on

[iron tiger]

Remember that story grandmother told us about how three orokin inhabited skinned, disembowled and contorted ostrons

[fast dew]

Earliest message should be the activation of it

[fast dew]

Ohh is that the blue kuva story?

[iron tiger]

Yes

[solar salmon]

She's pretty much who I've based my entire opinion of orokin on, imagine some unnamed people doing this like it's just another Halloween, what the hell kind of system makes people like that the norm

[fast dew]

Thats a bad idea, to base it only on the bad

[solar salmon]

Roathes definitely helping with that but I cant help thinking well clearly nobody wants the orokin empire back

[iron tiger]

The only kind of good orokin we know of is entrati and his family

[solar salmon]

And even then

Does loid count or was he just a manservant

I know margulis did

[fast dew]

The orokin caste could be very large, and the bad ones are likely the loudest. The orokin are bad, yes but I wouldn't judge a orokin when we first see them as automatically bad imo

[iron tiger]

Yeah I think loid counts

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[strange plinth]

as orokin? neither loid or margulis would count for that imo

[fast dew]

There was no formal relationship for Loid

[iron tiger]

Archimedeans or lorists?

[solar salmon]

I suppose archimedean would be an entirely diff class wouldn't it

[strange plinth]

yea archimedean is separate
lorist is also separate but idk what the hell they do

[iron tiger]

The orokin empire was huge there are probably several castes and sub-castes we don’t know about

[solar salmon]

Did Albrecht get lifted from archimedean or was he a loser nerd at the upper class kids table

[fast dew]

Iirc lorists were giga low

[fast dew]

Loser nerd basically

[solar salmon]

Makes sense why they say he was given a wife then

[iron tiger]

Albrecht was litterally studying nowhere

[fast dew]

Which didn't even do the intended thing

His daughter was just as insane as he was

[solar salmon]

Duviri being written was clutch tho

[iron tiger]

I wish duviri was a real faction in the game instead of just a place in the void

[fast dew]

Those stories came from Albrecht, interestingly. He told them as bedtime stories :)

[solar salmon]

He did care sadly

[fast dew]

Fym sadly 😭

[solar salmon]

Iunno it's easier to think he's a weirdo bastard

[fast dew]

Its a good thing he cared for his daughter

[strange plinth]

character isn't two dimensional, has motivations, more at 11

[fast dew]

He has a consistent soft spot for women he finds similar to his daughter too

[solar salmon]

How could they do this to me

Next you're gonna tell me margulis isn't literally the mother mary of this story

And she like bullied a neurodivergent kid or sumn

[fast dew]

Wait until you learn Lyon is schizotypal or similar

[iron tiger]

Rell was abandoned by his peers bruh 😭

[fast dew]

And Margulis. Why do you think he wasn't one of our tenno?

[iron tiger]

I assumed he was left in the Zariman and escaped on his own?

[strange plinth]

margulis cast him out
rell has to get to her for that

[fast dew]

Not if he was the one behind blinding Margulis.

[iron tiger]

😔

[solar salmon]

A bunch of eternal 9 year olds and a blind woman abandoned an autistic kid in the origin system of all places

[fast dew]

Mhm.

Severely autistic, unsupported and bullied child.

I do like DE's representation of autistic people though

[iron tiger]

Yeah like dominus thrax and ordis

[solar salmon]

Today I had the kim convo with amir where hes the most adhd person of all time when it comes to chores and it didn't read as cringe worthy at all

[fast dew]

Thrax is just an emotionally unstable child and ordis is literally not fully sane-

[solar salmon]

Its admirable

[iron tiger]

I know I just wanted to cause confusion

I’m pretty sure ordis just has DID

[fast dew]

I've never liked it, it does feel a little surface level adhd

[kindred barn]

I think parts of his mind are literally missing

[solar salmon]

Yeahhh

[fast dew]

Struggles to do chores, but never really explains why he struggles

Would've loved even a iota of executive dysfunction

[iron tiger]

Indeed I do wonder if they are in an ayatan or vitruvian somewhere

[solar salmon]

Probably just sheared off and the shards were smoked by ballas for a high

[pine orchid]

even if it's surface lvl I do appreciate it, I relate to him going on a whole other larger undertaking than the one singular 5 min task

[kindred barn]

I mean he's part of the arbiter at least. Maybe he's under the floor in the dropship

[solar salmon]

I really doubt they respected ordis to keep bits of him

[strange plinth]

i think you need to listen to ordis's codex messages

[solar salmon]

The fragmentation seems to literally be intended in this case

[solar salmon]

🫡 Gonna do that rn actually

[iron tiger]

It’d be for archiving

[solar salmon]

I still believe orokin can get a high off soul glass tho

[iron tiger]

I bet you the orange and cyan ayatans we see are only 2 of them

[fast dew]

He definitely feels like a representation of adolescent/youth ADHD over the adult variant, which would make sense if he was on the younger side. Definitely on the hyperactive side of the spectrum.

[iron tiger]

There’s probably umbral ayatans and white ones and who knows how many colors

[kindred barn]

There is that big green one in the new quest

[iron tiger]

The egg?

[kindred barn]

Tbh was expecting to get that thing as deco

[iron tiger]

Send a picture?

[kindred barn]

In bed. Yea the green egg thing with the data

[strange plinth]

the. green ayatan that has the codes n margulis message

[kindred barn]

We get it when we get married graduate

[strange plinth]

yea

[solar salmon]

I'm glad we can get the ayatan flower thingies

[fast dew]

Hm. There's a name for that ceremony. Canonically.

[solar salmon]

Theyre incredibly pretty

[strange plinth]

yea graduation /s
idr the spelling. starts with an n iirc

[pine orchid]

idk about adult variant, I have the inattentive variant myself and only diagnosed as an adult
but I do still relate to Amir in several ways

[solar salmon]

They should make a warframe 2024 and have a protoframe drop the term neurospicy so I can feel something

[strange plinth]

bold of you to assume it'd be so similar after 1999

[kindred barn]

First thing I did was put one near the sleeping spot
#decoration-showcase message

[fast dew]

You likely have the adult variant, inattentive is more common over the hyperactive subtype in adults lol
-# I got diagnosed when I was 7 and it was hell

[solar salmon]

We need Orobubus

[fast dew]

Took me till I was 16 to get diagnosed w autism. Like. Dawg I'd cry over vacuums

[fast dew]

...Ouroboros?

[kindred barn]

Tail eating serpent of infinity