lore-discussion

[humble sierra]

Timelines

[tall echo]

Wally

[twin wigeon]

i know the man in the wall is made of bone tho

[restive river]

Wally is LITERALLY invading

[tall echo]

Transformers is wrong

[restive river]

Not literal bone, he’s made of void
He can be whatever

[twin wigeon]

uhhhhhhh corrupted vor says he's merging with the wall of bone

[restive river]

In the labs that sandy stone is literally him, the murmur is him, he is invading personally

[humble sierra]

Temporal Dust

The dust of decayed universes, rich in entropy. Entrati's research postulates it as the animating agent of the nightmarish Murmur.

[tall echo]

Wally doesn't have a solid form

[restive river]

Its a name.

[strange turtle]

Can’t wait for him to take on his ultimate form. A giant, all-pink, Rhino

[twin wigeon]

oh ;-;

[humble sierra]

Because he looks like bone

[tall echo]

It is him. The warframe guy

[strange turtle]

John Warframe

[strange plinth]

not to be confused with John Warframe, who only wears Suit

[twin wigeon]

incorrect. he's a giant pink grendel with pink tutu

[tall echo]

You missed the joke

[dark compass]

The final boss of Void saga is Wally transferring to a Revenant with Torid Incarnon

[twin wigeon]

im nuking his ass then

[dark compass]

He will have cinematic damage phases when mesmer skin runs out

[tall echo]

Mutalist alad but worse

[twin wigeon]

god i hate his fight

salad sucks to fight

[tall echo]

I'd rather go through 100 tiers of circuit in one session than farm mesa again

[celest needle]

On the technocyte coda stage

[strange plinth]

good news ! you can farm mesa and do 100 tiers of circuit at the same time /s

[tall echo]

Silence

[dark compass]

Mesa drops from mutalist salad?

I got her from the circuit I wouldn't know

[normal mountain]

Hold up, let's cook with that for a sec
5 Revenant with Torid, fought in the same mechanics as the Coda

[celest needle]

And also he's joined by 5 sp fragmented

[dark compass]

It's just one

Just one

[celest needle]

Who you must kill in order to damage him

[dark compass]

It has to be climactic

[dark compass]

Murmur obviously

While he keeps shooting at you trying to charge the incarnon until mesmer skin runs out

If he hits you too many times the laser phase begins

[tall echo]

Yes

[celest needle]

The circuit:

[tall echo]

Yes

[celest needle]

What's the worst frame farm in your humble opinion

[twin wigeon]

imagine if wally hijacks all the frames in your arsenal and just uses your builds

citrine

[tall echo]

Easy win

My builds suck

[twin wigeon]

lmaooooooo

[twin wigeon]

#builds-discussion

[dark compass]

You're forced into an operator to fight it

[normal mountain]

Half and half, for me
Depends on what he grabs

[tall echo]

Even easier win, my operator build doesn't suck

[dark compass]

Citrine and Styanax

Styanax farm is so bad they gave him away for free like 2 times

[tall echo]

Citrine

[normal mountain]

Mesa and Dagath farms smell horrid

[tall echo]

It's not it's just bc he's the 50th frame

[digital thorn]

I may be dissecting everything Wally has ever said or done out of personal obsession and I really wanna dump all my findings somewhere but I'll end up typing paragraphs so maybe later-

[dark compass]

My idea is funnier

[twin wigeon]

indeed

[strange plinth]

citrine takes a long time and equinox is rng hell
still wouldn't buy them tho

[dark compass]

Oh right Equinox exists

[twin wigeon]

yk what grind doesn't suck?

[celest needle]

So between

Citrine
Equinox
And Stynanaxanax

Who's the worst

[celest needle]

Rhino

[twin wigeon]

Koumei

[normal mountain]

The Jackal kinda tedious
Mag farm is leagues better

[tall echo]

Dojo frames

[dark compass]

I would add Chroma to the list

[twin wigeon]

ehhhh

[dark compass]

He needs 4 specific parts of other warframes as part of the recipe

[celest needle]

Bruh

Farming 4 separate frames for one

[normal mountain]

Second Chroma, maybe
First, no

[tall echo]

Chroma sucks to farm

[strange plinth]

the saryn part of chroma is the worst part of him
the rest is fine i think

[dark compass]

Let's just agree to put him on the last place of frames that suck to farm

[celest needle]

I think Saryn is also one of the worst

Next to trinity

[dark compass]

And chroma asks you to sacrifice one of the parts

Trinity and Saryn are fine, just tedious imo

Unless you run out of charges for ambulas

Then welcome to hell

[celest needle]

Farming Kullevero tho… not as bad but still going through a full nearly 40-minute grind per bane

[tall echo]

That's very slow

[strange plinth]

that can definitely be optimized, yea

[tall echo]

Also keep in mind you get multiple banes per run

[dark compass]

Huh?

It usually took me much less if I didn't feel like playing

It's not that hard to streamline

[ocean geyser]

Less tedious if you only do nightmare missions

I just started building Rhino today :3

[tall echo]

How does that change it...?

[stiff fable]

I think it's more that people do Nightmare missions on the regular for that Hammer Shot 1%

[ocean geyser]

Passive grind better

It’s why i only run zone 8 ESO if i have something to level
Never farm it

I don’t do Shrine Defence outside of nigtmares

[stiff beacon]

also mag takes 72 hours to craft

rhino takes 24

[stray flare]

So... Aparently they did not fixed the glitch( or maybe not glitch?) That causes Grattler in the etmospheric to have very high enemy punchthrough, even tho it has zero on the ground...

And I am sitting here like... It is a Quad Autocannon. This is exactly what would happen if youwere to put armour optimised APHE rounds in it.

Like, what you see here is a great example of Overpen. Target is too soft to trigger the round fuse, so it works like high speed penetrator, hell, if it is optimised for armour then I bet it is also too fast to cause major kinetic damage as penetrators can be traveling at so fast that energy transfer may not be enough to cause serious damagd( as in, for vehicles/machine no spalling, for squishy targets, small exit wound).

So yea, it may be due to spaggetti code, and it is a bit overexadurated, bit funly enough, it is semi-realistic for Grattler/Kuva Grattler to be behaveing in that way

[chrome rivet]

So how does an Parazon hacking work?

Same question with Parazon mercy kills

Do we inject the target with void stuff or something?

[humble sierra]

Mercy kills are a stab, it's a big sharp knife to a critical organ

For robotic enemies it's also simultaneously hacking them

I think that's said in the Jackal fight

[twin wigeon]

its electricity being injected into vital areas that can tweaked to hack consoles, im thinking we can induce cardiac arrest, killing bios or electrocuting bots.

and then its also part "grappling hook" or smth which we use to pull down the crucibles in our railjack forges

don't ask how we can transfer the parazon from our frame to our operator to others (like amir during the hex quest)

[stiff fable]

Every Warframe has a parazon

[old dome]

i wonder if margulis was behind its inclusion, or was it ballas...

[twin wigeon]

but like amir is hardly a warframe, he's still new to warframing and didn't even know he had a parazon

[stiff fable]

Ballas

The original transference therapy frames were weaponized

[twin wigeon]

bc ofc they were

glad lotus ate him

[stiff fable]

right???

[twin wigeon]

slurped him like a smoothie, bro looked kinda desiccated

you'd think people would be sad for the death of the father of many loved frames but hell nah

[celest needle]

How did Ballas get the idea for Temple?

[twin wigeon]

oh god

[humble sierra]

~~ He's a fan of Bowie~~ Temple was probably gonna be something else entirely

Flare put a lot of themself into Temple, I doubt Temple would've had a guitar

[twin wigeon]

He likely thought of making a frame based on the idea of rebellion, made its strain but refused to make it a warframe bc... its rebellion incarnate. Alberecht either stole or recreated the strain, gave it to flare, flare turns to temple and is wounded giving life to their guitar, yada yada, flare realizes their infection isn't slowing down and decides to nap in a meteor until octavia starts the night of the naga drums where they'll join the revelry

[stiff fable]

As far as we can tell, Temple's based on the actual Temple

AKA Flare Varleon in their stage persona

They went to Hollvania for a concert with their band and were killed by Scaldra in the original timeline

But something happened to make Temple stick in Ballas's head as a symbol

Maybe Ballas actually listened to Flare's music and understood the lyrics

Viktor sure didn't

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[twin wigeon]

Really a blaze of glory

[old dome]

the more i learn abt the dax the more sorry i feel for them...

[stiff fable]

As an FYI, the whole Flare and Viktor story is based on a thing that happened on social media a while ago

Some moron who liked Rage Against the Machine got angry that the band was opposing Trump stuff

[twin wigeon]

don't pretty sure they were a corrupt warrior caste that bullied the weak

hence why sythel gets bullied by the fake dax in duviri tho maybe thats just her with duviri thrax

[stiff fable]

One of the members asked him what he thought "the machine" was that they were raging against

Which led to a whole thing about how tons of people listen to to music without hearing much less understanding the lyrics

[old dome]

iirc they were mind controlled by the Orokin seven... so i dont think they were corrupt.

[twin wigeon]

❤️ Varzia

[stiff fable]

Oh, they were mind controlled by the Seven, but not ALL the time

Teshin still has free will unless the Queens are holding the staff

So there were definitely corrupt Dax, but most of them were probably more "just following orders" types

[celest needle]

So is Temple a paradox technically?

[stiff fable]

Part of the system of control put on them was the espirit d'corps thing that messes up cops and soldiers irl

"One bad apple" spoils the bunch

[stiff fable]

The opposite, Temple is a non-paradoxical result of time travel

Albrecht got back to 1999 Hollvania and saw infested Flare and realized he could do the FUNNIEST thing ever with his phial of Temple serum

So Flare ends up inspiring the Temple Warframe, being the Temple protoframe, and becoming the original Temple Warframe

[celest needle]

Bruh why does Albrecht have to inject every frame with their coinciding personality Warframe 😭

Can't he inject a normal person

[stiff fable]

It seems to be a way of increasing the success of the process

[strange plinth]

i'm not sure how flare could inspire temple
that's a big gap with a lot of lost information to get through to get to ballas's design process

[stiff fable]

The Epic of Gilgamesh is based on a timber raid

Literally, bunch of desert guys running up north to chop down trees

Turns into the original reflection on mortal failings and mortality

We don't know how our stories will be remembered

[dark compass]

Mfw being british is important to survive Cyte 09 strain

[celest needle]

Being named Arthur is very important to becoming Excalibur

[dark compass]

At least I can understand ADHD and volt

[lean garden]

A really big gap that has the main subject of the gap be completely unreachable until after the design was created too

I highly doubt ballas would have been inspired in any way shape or form by flare to make temple

Im not sure what the relevance here is

[dark compass]

Oops, I misread what was said

I need sleep

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[dark compass]

[stiff beacon]

I think albrect decided it was necessary to make one of the proto frames into a terrible pun

[heady quest]

He was like: “Oh you know what would be funny….”

[swift sentinel]

He made the squad medic into Trinity, the mechanic into Mag and the sniper into Cyte-09.
Entrati loves his irony.

[dark compass]

What's with Minerva and Velimir

[swift sentinel]

Min's toxic and Vel's just a chill guy...

[stiff fable]

Minerva has an acid tongue, and Velimir is Russian

[heady quest]

He would have known Lyon was a messed up Pastor and decided do give the one frame that is messed up too to him

[short creek]

I wanna ask about the planet eris what really happened there? What kinda virus? Also it kinda crazy that this virus can infect cephalon like what?? This virus is op AF

Is any lore about the planet?

[strange turtle]

The Technocyte (Infestation)

[heady quest]

Eris is a planet fully infested by the infestation. We don’t really know what it looks like but it has sprouted some strange infested strains which are basically their own hivemind

We have the Emissary or Arlo which was a little kid that got insane healing power and someone made a cult around this kid but it turned out that he was an infested puppet that then began infecting everyone

There is also the Jordan’s Golem were the infestation infected the mind of a cephalon and kinda became their own hybrid strain

There is also the Mutalist strain that is present around and probably also on the planet made by Alad V

[short creek]

I did Jordan quest for the first time it was the most disgusting boss I ever see

[heady quest]

Yeah it kinda is

[ocean geyser]

They turned my boy jordas into a grey rectangle

[strange turtle]

It was a primarily Corpus planet (Corpus were the enemy type) until Operation Breeding Grounds, when Alad made Hives to spread the Infestation more quickly (as well as the Mutalist Strain) and caused a huge outbreak. After that it became an Infested planet in update 14

[short creek]

Thanks for the explanation!

[heady quest]

We gotta get those old lore events back into the game like that is super interesting stuff??

[stray herald]

do any prime warframes degrade into base frames

[heady quest]

I am not asking for quests but just some basic dialogue or a cutscene or something

[heady quest]

Not really no they all stay what their blueprint designed them to be

[ocean geyser]

The models would be too different for that to happen

As in like
Made with entirely different technology

[dark compass]

you havent played the game for 10 years?

your excalibur prime is now normal

[heady quest]

That would be diabolical 😭

[dark compass]

they killed off pets

so

[stray herald]

I always believed that some warframes left abandoned in the system degraded into base frames

idk why I believed that but it was a cool idea in my head

[ocean geyser]

The closest we would have to that is a frame degrading into a Spectre or something

[heady quest]

There are just more base form frames around than the Prime frames

[ocean geyser]

Mass production and whatnot

[hollow siren]

Sevagoth could be viewed to have gone through that, with how his base almost looks like an eroded corpse of his Prime

At least that's how I feel it

[dark compass]

Valkyr Prime is closer to her original pre skinning design than the one we can use at base

That sort of works?

[hollow siren]

I mean Gersemi is literally what base Valkyr looked like before being skinned

can still see half of her blue skin on her head even

[nocturne valve]

The Orokin wanted to hunt game like kings and aristocrats of the old, so they recreated birds, lmao.

[twin wigeon]

rush build

[nocturne valve]

No, lol

[twin wigeon]

charge your phone btw

[nocturne valve]

on it

[north jolt]

Gave the big booty frame (Wisp) to a nun

[round crow]

how did the drifter go back in time in the first place?

[pale cedar]

Same way they did the first time

[round crow]

im asking how he did it the first time

[pale cedar]

The Vessel

Vessels were made mixing strains so using it to get to 1999 makes sense since it is connected to Helminth

[celest needle]

Ok, what is Albrecht’s timeline of visits to 1999? Cause I know he at least went back once to make the vessels and those schematics in netracells

[twin wigeon]

i'd assume that he makes only one travel to 1999 bc it wouldn't make sense if he traveled to 1999 to escape wally multiple times allowing wally to go to 1999 as well

and thus likely the vessels and netracell schematics were all made before

[hollow wagon]

Who is the red baro?

Was he like, Baro's evil twin?

[twin wigeon]

we don't know

baro says his void drive was damaged and needed to get it repaired and so he was unable to make his visits and was sad we missed out on his goodies

so whoever it was, it wasn't baro

hopefully, baro this friday will reveal why

[pale cedar]

The one in Void drive email is real Baro

The one for Halloween was Wally

[twin wigeon]

presumably

likely

Silly Walter.

[pale cedar]

I mean
Voidtounge
No other Baros it could be after his deal

Baro hasn't got a Drifter type thing as much as many try suggesting

[twin wigeon]

but why would damaging his void drive trigger a rift

unless baro possesses a wally finger?

[pale cedar]

A Void drive is a relequiry drive

[lean garden]

I mean, he definitely went back and forth

because he'd need to come back with the samples from the protoframes

to make the vessels

[twin wigeon]

uhhhhh but that'd defeat the purpose of traveling there? unless im wrong about him going to 1999 to escape wally

[pale cedar]

He didn't go there to escape Wally

[twin wigeon]

wasn't it so that wally wouldn't hurt loid or smth?

[pale cedar]

He went there for Wally to follow him instead of Loid

[twin wigeon]

yeah that

[pale cedar]

Wally also couldn't easily get to 1999

[twin wigeon]

it think it was our influence or void signature that drew him there or smth

[pale cedar]

We helped him get in

The ARG was helping Wally

Literally the ending of it

[twin wigeon]

DAMMIT

AGAIN ANOTHER REFERENCE TO AN ARG I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT ;-;

someone let me know if theres a tau or old peace arg or smth

[strange turtle]

There might be a Tau ARG, but no Old Peace one. Not yet anyway

[marble timber]

Speaking of Old Peace, I really hope we get a clone wars tv show style thing

Like we get to actively do stuff during that point in time, not just the one mission

[pale cedar]

The rebellion is seemingly an endless gamemode

[unique talon]

Besides us, could any other faction have chances against the murmur?

[celest needle]

Watch the video on it made by coolkid369

https://youtu.be/27twfTwNBLA?si=AQkURHF6Ec0ePe1J

[unique talon]

I mean, these things are even scarier than the infestation

[hollow siren]

Highly doubtful

[celest needle]

Joke answer: Clem with twin Gratakka’s

[unique talon]

Prime gratakkas

[hollow siren]

Kuva, Wraith or Prisma if anything

[unique talon]

I mean, imagine a regular grineer or corpus unit fighting these things

[unique talon]

They would be like: "Dude, what in the actual F.. is even that?"

By the way, how and why are we not afraid of those monsters?

[hollow siren]

I mean, we are?

[hollow siren]

The Liches might be able to stand a chance, Kuva is Void-based so

[restive river]

It’s not void-based, it’s capacity to conduct consciousness is

3. What is 'kuva'?

A. Fluid with Void-derived capacity to conduct consciousness (correct)

[unique talon]

Like: look at these things they're incredibly bizarre and.. I dunno.. weird

[spark cipher]

Coming back after a long break to the game and seeing a protofrane for the first time at maroos I was so shook

[restive river]

The right one is a fan concept

[unique talon]

Well made tho

[restive river]

Very!

[unique talon]

Still

[restive river]

The tenno are afraid of Wally and the Murmur are just him

[unique talon]

I think even the toughest enemies, like kuva ones would be scared asf

[restive river]

Anyone who isn’t afraid would be stupid tbh

[restive river]

The infestation alone scares people, this? Whole other level of fear

Also since we use the requiems as a sorta passcode to get around the Kuva Lich immortality the Murmur would probably rock them
Cause
Voidtongue

[unique talon]

Based on what we know of the current lore and eternalism

Would this make any sense?

[restive river]

A murmur frame? Eeh

They would not have a normal creation

Like idek if there would be ant infested anything there
They wouldn’t be made by Ballas
I doubt Albrecht would

[pale cedar]

Murmur frame?
Best i can offer is Qorvex

[restive river]

If we get a void angel or murmur or just a void frame that’s more than Xaku, it will be from us (which is to say conceptual embodiment)

[restive river]

Xaku and Qorvex’s baby

[pale cedar]

Xakuvex shadows

[unique talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pawn-stars-gif-4899922095565476362

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframeballas-ballas-gif-903064965064944974

[restive river]

Ballas doesn’t know about the Murmur

[stiff beacon]

Yea why do you think albrecht made qorvex lol

[celest needle]

Only Albrecht would think to make the slab of radiation concrete known as Qorvex

Ballas could never

[pale cedar]

Because Ballas gave him samples

When you're Orokin you just gotta ask and you'll get something

[hollow siren]

It's also possible Grandmother made a deal with Ballas that got the Entrati access to it (never even implied but if anyone would be able to do that it's her)

[pale cedar]

I still think him just asking and getting is more likely than needing to make a deal

[hollow siren]

True, I just like the idea of Grandmother managing to out-negotiate the king of negotiating

[pale cedar]

I feel the king of negotiating is probably Parvos

[hollow siren]

true, he did manage to do just this

[pale cedar]

All Parvos had to do was nuke a few Waframes for Ballas to say “fine”

[narrow pendant]

his "vessels" which are those giant statues in his labs are a fusion of deimos's greystrain, ballas's helminth and tissue of proto arthur
also albrecht being the person who invented the void drive surely would be granted whatever he needed for his research after his success

[dark compass]

All Parvos had to say is "give me a warframe that can time travel" and ballas said "yes my dear"

[pale cedar]

Technically he stole the Void drives

[narrow pendant]

he stole the finger, which is the power source

he did put some effort into making it work

[narrow pendant]

ballas & parvos affair is why margulis left him its true i was there

[dark compass]

Yeah I can see that

Totally valid

You can't just call a frame "a child of two fathers"

[narrow pendant]

shes called child of 2 fathers for a reason

[hollow siren]

Ballas denying it as impossible seemed to me kinda like "okay I can't openly talk about our secret time-travel tech to this guy" and then Parvos just retorts with "Well then what's this secret time-travel tech?" and so Ballas just had to drop the ruse

[narrow pendant]

oh yeah true lmao

"is this secret time travel tech in the room with us"
"well actually--"

[dark compass]

"can you make her time travel?"
"What do you mean? Like we have some sort of secret time travel tech we don't talk about"
"Yes"
"Okay"

He folded

[pale cedar]

Didn't he only say not even the Entrati?

[dark compass]

Yeah, seriously it was probably Parvos' contribution

[hollow siren]

Because they were at the forefront of funky tech like that

[strange turtle]

Ballas: "Potent weaponry, exquisite anatomy, those are trivial. But temporal manipulation? Even the Entrati-"
Parvos: "The Entrati have violated time, and I have violated them."

[dark compass]

Horrible thing to say Parvos

[narrow pendant]

the violator

[dark compass]

Very insensitive

[pale cedar]

Hard to keep a secret when the man knows

[narrow pendant]

someone cancel that guy

[strange turtle]

They presumably either kept it on the downlow or Ballas just didn’t want to go behind their back in regards to it

[dark compass]

Parvos is the man in the capitalistic wall

[pale cedar]

Parvos broke into the labs twice

[hollow siren]

I assume he was not keen on talking about WIP secret Orokin research to the empire's main rivalry who as far as Ballas assumed was unaware of said research

[dark compass]

But love prevailed

And they made a joint project

[hollow siren]

Protea immune to Your Mom jokes, and if anyone pulls a Your Dad joke she just rewinds time

[pale cedar]

I bet Parvos got mad when he didn't even get the child of 2 fathers version but the base version

[narrow pendant]

ballas secretly making a gilded version just to innerly feel superior to parvos

is how i think of it lmao

[dark compass]

It was an anniversary gift, Parvos got voided before there was any chance

[hollow siren]

Hey if anything base Protea looks more Corpus-esque so maybe Parvos actually preferred that, who knows

[narrow pendant]

YOU CANT TELL ME THEY WERE NOT A COUPLE LMAO

[strange turtle]

Alternatively it could just be that Parvos wasn’t allowed a Prime

[hollow siren]

That is the likely reason

[narrow pendant]

is that another doomed old man yaoi in my doomed old man yaoi game?!?

[hollow siren]

many such cases

[pale cedar]

Old lore used to be that the Orokin didn't even make the base frames

Probably why they dropped from enemies tbh

[hollow siren]

yeah Primes as a whole are a bit muddy just cause they've had to endure the shift from Oldframe to current Warframe

[pale cedar]

There's people who still take the old Prime description as fact

They never bothered listening to Varzia

[dark compass]

"we have a fancy 3d printer"

[pale cedar]

I wonder if the 1999 3D printer is better than the Origin System non gold printer

[hollow siren]

Potentially, it is made by Albrecht himself so it's guaranteed prime Orokin tech (pun not intended)

[narrow pendant]

it has one more axis to move so id say based on that yes

[hollow siren]

I love how much Albrecht seems to have just slapped his tech onto 1999 things to super-boost them

Like the paper printer mod station

[dark compass]

Usb to a system millenia into the future adapter

[narrow pendant]

man gets his ego shattered, goes back in time to flex his stuff

[dark compass]

Became a 1999 influencer

A tv personality

[hollow siren]

Riot-848 is cool cause the barrel needs only Labs resources to craft, since on the gun itself the barrel is fully Entrati tech added onto Flare's normal gun

[dark compass]

It's an entrati kitgun

🥹

[hollow siren]

True!

[narrow pendant]

now imagine we could build just the barrel and slap it onto other guns

[hollow siren]

tho Father already kinda has those

albeit Infested

[narrow pendant]

i bet they came up with riot's gimmick after watching tenet

[pale cedar]

Something I find weird is you can't start Whispers from backroom which outside of release order makes no sense as Backroom has everything you'd need to do it just fine

[narrow pendant]

blame spaghetti code shenanigans

[strange turtle]

Tbf
They could just not be fans of the thirsting

[dark compass]

I can't stand the backrooms

They don't have Ordis

[pale cedar]

Mine does

[dark compass]

That's fake Ordis

[pale cedar]

That's not fake Ordis

[dark compass]

Does he make jokes?

[pale cedar]

Yes trust

He spoke to roast Helminth once

So he does

DE muted him after
But he did

[hollow siren]

I wish the Backroom's flower wall wasn't missing like half the flowers

[pale cedar]

Does it really not have all our frames flowers?

[hollow siren]

It has way less for some reason

[pale cedar]

Tbh it does make sense when the room is much smaller

All the screens take up flower space

[tall echo]

Subsume more

[strange turtle]

they should begin to have flower videos show up on them

[woven coyote]

Now we need the screens to do the dvd bounce but with flowers to make up for this transgression

[hollow siren]

I have subsumed most frames, the Backroom has way less flowers than the Orbiter

[pale cedar]

I’ll smash the screens and tell Helminth to place flowers in them

https://tenor.com/view/lol-notive-die-punch-computer-gif-26214336

[hollow siren]

Albrecht's first visit to 1999

[pale cedar]

Actually in Whispers didn’t the PC break?

[hollow siren]

it did, yes

"Not as 'future-proof' as the label claimed."

[pale cedar]

Albrecht lied, nooo

Bro said he was gonna be honest

[tall echo]

He didn't lie, the pc company did

[pale cedar]

Whoever made the PC lied, nooo

I must shoot them for breaking the Xata rule

[restive river]

HERETIC OF XATA

[celest needle]

But the vessels are made from the samples of the volunteers?

[silk atlas]

He traveled multiple times before Wally was hot on him and he had to break the time machine, so not sure what Mango is saying

[tame flax]

How do i explain my gf what a warframe is

[celest needle]

So generally what would the timeline of events be for his travels to 1999 since he made multiple visits, does time just pass differently in the time loop,?

[silk atlas]

Iunno lol. Just that he went there before

[hollow siren]

A warframe? Or Warframe the game

[tame flax]

Botj

[restive river]

Do you care about spoilers

[celest needle]

Ninjas with magical powers with guns against the cosmic screw-ups of their predecessors

[tame flax]

Prob if she enjoys it she will play it

[restive river]

Space ninjas must awake and return balance to the solar system after destabilizing an empire and uncover locked away memories and life changing secrets along the way

[tame flax]

Thank u ducky

[restive river]

Hope mind and Rubric’s explainations help

[tame flax]

Will do

[strange turtle]

Space ninjas after they have to uncover a “life-changing secret” for the 5th time

[restive river]

We need therapy

Refractory may be the closest we get

[celest needle]

The life-changing secret known as 84 hour crafting times

[strange turtle]

The life-changing secret that Ballas, inventor of Equinox, is still alive and ready for retribution

[hollow siren]

well, he isn't

[strange turtle]

Well he was at the time

[celest needle]

How many frames did ballast sacrifice to Chroma

[dark compass]

Chroma isn't real

But at least 4

[leaden thicket]

ummm

[hollow siren]

yeah? Lua Thrax Plasm is from the Thrax ghosts that spawn in Conjunction Survival on Lua

used to buy/craft Voruna's stuff

[leaden thicket]

wait why did i massge here

[unique talon]

By the way

Is there any reason why sentients are literally the only faction without eximus units?

For lore wise, would a scenario close to transformers dark of the moon happen in warframe?

Like the narmer faction looking for a mysterious technology to literally bring tau to the origin system?

[strange plinth]

probably not? iirc, pazuul seems content to just rebuild the rail and move over there

[unique talon]

Looks fine to me

As long as he does not make a mess for us to clean

[glacial bough]

There'd be no point to bringing Tau to Origin, Tau is a thriving system of Sentients

[celest needle]

Eximus units are experimental units using the void(I think)

[misty salmon]

Irony award: The sentients have outgrown Tau and are now looking to expand their empire by terraforming and claiming their nearest neighbour.

[north jolt]

I mean eximus basically have diet- Warframe abilities (not literally but best analogy i can think of) and the Orokin never really designed the sentients to have similar capabilities except for the disco lasers

[north jolt]

Afaik the actual source of their abilities depends on the faction. Grineer and Corpus I think it's just enhanced technology mimicking (to a limited degree) Warframe abilities while with the infested it's a rare but natural mutation

[tall echo]

You think wrong

[ocean geyser]

And Jade Shadows/Belly of the Beast explains why Jade Light eximus exist

[silk atlas]

Reddit AMA just says "they're built different"

[celest needle]

Ah yes, the Grineer with jade light and magical electricity tech

[proper barn]

It could. Pargasa. eats suns not planets though.

[silk atlas]

This was before Jade existed and let's not act like stealing tech from other people isn't on the cards here

[celest needle]

But the Grineer don't use that much Corpus tech in their troopers

[silk atlas]

The Jade stuff isn't explicitly Corpus tech, just happens to be that one of the main guys who wants it is Corpus

[ocean geyser]

Well they’re not gonna copy it 1 to 1

[silk atlas]

And also they do have magnetic weapons anyway

Mostly in their traps

[celest needle]

Goalposts moving time - how does the murmer have eximus

[silk atlas]

They're built different

[unique talon]

I claim your sun

[celest needle]

Infested?

[silk atlas]

Dude the entire answer was just "they're built different"

I'm not joking

That was all they said for that question

[celest needle]

🥀

[restive river]

Conceptual embodiment, ez

[restive river]

Can take in any tech

[spice moth]

Were humans in warframe had same history as us before finding a void or were they just born in it?

[glacial bough]

No. WF history is a wide divergence

[restive river]

It’s shockingly similar with some things but insanely different with others

[woven coyote]

Pffft megabloke

[restive river]

Where it truly diverged from our own history is unknown as even some biology is different for animals, for example

[celest needle]

Big Ear Rat

[restive river]

I was more so thinking of the proto Bird 3 and proto Tagfer lol

[dark compass]

1999 is an equivalent to our 1999

And you can see how many different stuff there is

Except Half Life, Half Life is canon in 1999

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's the same chronologically, as in, the same passage of time, but the history could be completely different

[proper barn]

No. Cus Albretch finds the void and it's already like height of orokik society.

And use of kuva and such.

[dark compass]

There are different countries as well

But there's still Half Life

[humble sierra]

Maybe the same geographically but the names and likely borders are different

[dark compass]

Scaldra having hooks everywhere, countries having different names

Whole writing system in the area being different

[celest needle]

Bird 3 is just a standard exotic bird though most similar to peacocks but also taking elements from other birds too

[humble sierra]

So far the IRL things that are seemingly unchanged:
Gordon Freeman and Half-Life (cardboard cutouts + posters in the mall)
Alexander the Great (Lettie's line in the backroom compares Arthur to him)
Lettie's gods are ones that were worshipped IRL
Amir mentions Jeopardy - ("I'll take Kicking Your Ass for five hundred, Alex.")
Amir mentions Dracula - ("Go at 'em like Dracula at a low-cut top.")
Digital Extremes exists, but it's based in Höllvania and it's a lazy, money hungry company that tried using Techrot to make games for them.
Rebb Ford is an OnLyne fangirl

[dark compass]

You forgot Marty McFlea

[proper barn]

I think think while everyone else is also correct this bit matters a lot. @spice moth

[humble sierra]

USA is USL (Libertatia)
No Canada, but that might've been a joke or they were saying "Warframe 1999 Canada isn't like our Canada"
Japan is Jipangu
Russia is Rus
UK or at least England is Britannica
Kaya is from the Philippines but I don't think it's been named yet

[celest needle]

Mythology is most likely the same

[dark compass]

What's orokik society

[humble sierra]

I'm just saying the things that seemingly aren't changed at all

[dark compass]

Ah fair enough

[proper barn]

Huh?

What do you mean?

[dark compass]

.

[obtuse vine]

rebb is canon in 1999?

[dark compass]

Rebb is canon in our world

And Onlyne too

Haven't you heard their new album

[restive river]

He and his species are different enough that he’s def not a bird from our version of reality :p

[humble sierra]

Yeah, she made this website

[celest needle]

Their songs are amazing, infectious to listen to, their fans are hive minds that's for sure

[restive river]

He didn’t find it, he was looking for a way to make it useful
Then literally stumbled into that

We don’t know when it was discovered or by who

[dark compass]

Not going to deny it the voice is still heard somewhere in the back of my head

[proper barn]

Albretch finds void travel and he talks about how Orokin society already exists.

[dark compass]

It was a joke because you made a typo

[restive river]

under the neon glow

[dark compass]

:(

[celest needle]

It's not that bad, just listen to it trust me I totally know what I'm doing

[humble sierra]

I think that's a spoof of a city in Japan, not Canada, unless Aoi was born outside of Jipangu

[restive river]

“Canata’s major cities right on the water”

Canata isn’t a city

[woven coyote]

I dont remember them mentioning city names

[humble sierra]

I need to learn how to read

[restive river]

Lol

[dark compass]

You play warframe

[strange plinth]

the "hard 2 get at home in canata" bit implies its separate from jipangu as well

[proper barn]

Oh sure. I guess I think it always existed.

[strange plinth]

'tis the curse

[celest needle]

We read numbers

[woven coyote]

Dunno if you were around but while talking about how synthetic sense don't seem to be able to detect the void the other day
I wondered if the reason they never found the void to be anything were because of their instruments

[restive river]

It likely did, but we don’t know who discovered it or when or even how

[strange plinth]

oh that's..
interesting

[restive river]

Maybe, the instruments saw and detected nothing but the energy and what it could do may have always been there

It’s something that can’t really be proven cause nobody went in prior and the void only had usable energy once Albrecht fell in, which it may only have such energy due to him falling in cause he wanted it that bad

[woven coyote]

Yup

[restive river]

Most I think we have is Eleanor utilizing the void to speak to her alt self, but we don’t know at what point that was since we don’t know how the protos are connected to the void

[woven coyote]

Wonder if we will ever get that particular answer

Just how are they connected to the void

[restive river]

We know the devs have thought about it

But we just don’t get an answer ):

Heart in 99?
Connected to the heart in the Origin System?
Secret third option?

[celest needle]

The Heart is just conected to the void perhaps

And so through Origin System -> Heart -> Void -> 1999

[restive river]

It
It is connected to the void… that’s how void tech works

[restive river]

I don’t think this tracks, there’s no way into the void in 1999

[celest needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/535451640812142602/1396991397185458216/media-iv-text.gif

Ok how does voidtech work

like the vessel we use to travel to the Sanctum and stuff

[restive river]

That’s why it’s a mystery, there’s no heart in 1999 as far as we know, but there is in the Origin System
So how are they powered?

[strange plinth]

heart in 99 would be odd. maybe a mini one, though?
connected to the future heart seems weird. something about kaya having to hijack our void travel. not sure how to explain it, though
secret third option seems.. likely.

[restive river]

Void energy power things like warframes and rails

You also have the xx99 frames which
If we’re getting any answer it may be from them

[humble sierra]

The Triad feels like they'd know more

Mostly thanks to Roathe

[restive river]

If they aren’t entirely locked away until Old Peace events occur then they do just have access to the heart technically

It’s weird cause I would either imagine their power source is cut off the moment they step through the portal, unless Albrecht has some extension (which if anyone would it’d be him)

Idk, how the protos are powered is just a weird mystery and hopefully we’ll get somethin’

[spice moth]

So it's kinda like halo except the fact that halo has a same history as ours in their past?

[restive river]

Warframe’s entire history is different, it’s still Earth with Humans, some things are the same but most are different

1999 is the perfect example of what’s similar and what’s different
Different religion, different country names, languages, even tech to an extent, animals

[prime grove]

What did the tenno give in exchange when they the shook hands with the man in the wall?

[dark compass]

Their light

"you've lost your light, you can take mine"

[ionic adder]

can someone explain to me how we are able to time travel, i think it has to do with the eternalism properties of the void but i just can't make it make sense in my head

[dark compass]

Helminth helped spitting us out

It's a timeless thing, it exists alongside/with the techrot

Even when you move to the mall with the map, you show up on stage

And behind you is the giant mouth

[proper barn]

Fair

[dark compass]

Same reason why Lettie calls you babas

What essentially means "drool"

[ionic adder]

so the helminth is the portal back in time how does thats work

[dark compass]

Weird hivemind stuff

It remembers us from the future and shows that through lizzie

[ionic adder]

oh my goodness, eating a hamburger with no honey mustard

but thank you i'll have to think on that though

[restive river]

We haven’t given him what we owe him yet.

[prime grove]

And what do we owe him?

[restive river]

The infestation views time weird for one
We tell it to replicate a frame and use transference to access said frame, then pop out and boom
Time travel

[restive river]

We offered our light
We were talking about our flashlight (that we find btw)
What he meant? we have no idea

[prime grove]

Oh

[restive river]

He also added the page we get for the grimoire to the deal too but that was later

[dark compass]

"can i have your name" type shit

[restive river]

We owe him something

Notably the Holdfasts mention a light we have too, but that must be referring to the piece of Wally that we have as they are kinda feeding off us rather than the piece of Wally in the engine room

[ionic adder]

i understand it now

[waxen mesa]

is the Operator an Orokin?

[glacial bough]

No

[waxen mesa]

er, could you elaborate a bit?

[rustic ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/peabody-sherman-warframe-hypnosis-hypnotize-gif-1539235486479045049

[restive river]

What do you think an Orokin is

[waxen mesa]

Ultra wealthy of human society

[restive river]

Close enough yeah
A class of individuals that ruled the system

The Operator is not part of that class of people and never was

[waxen mesa]

I mean that was my thought yeah. But i was talking about it to a friend and figured I should see if my idea was right

[restive river]

You can tell if someone’s an Orokin typically by their choice in blue skin, long arms, weird eyes and being a terrible person

At most, the Orokin lied to the people of the Zariman 10-0 about being upper class

[waxen mesa]

ok well what about Loid?

[restive river]

What about him

He was a literal servant to Albrecht

Literally the Entrati family butler

[bright temple]

The only Orokin we’ve dealt with in-game is Ballas and the Entrati

Was the bigger Grineer Queen an Orokin too? I forget

[waxen mesa]

Elder Queen was. but a body swaped one

[bright temple]

Right right

[glacial bough]

Both the Queens

[waxen mesa]

I think Worm Queen is just a straight up grineer

[glacial bough]

She's not, the queens are twins

[waxen mesa]

re-read the wiki page and you right

[proper barn]

all infested or at least the helminth can see back and foward in time

all at once.

[proper barn]

she is a grinner body.

[waxen mesa]

yeah I guess I misread the wiki page when i was reading up on them

[proper barn]

is in a*

well they both are.

but orokin aren't specially they are just a class of people

not a special race or anything.

[waxen mesa]

wasn't one of the cephalons an orokin?

[proper barn]

one of them was a archimedian

[waxen mesa]

ah

[proper barn]

which is a scientist.

[restive river]

Nihil

[proper barn]

I guess it depends on what you mean

by cephalon

[restive river]

Nihil

[restive river]

Nihil

[bright temple]

In my defense I wasn’t playing then

[proper barn]

Welll that's why i said idk what we mean by cephalon.

[restive river]

He

Glassed himself
He is a cephalon

[humble sierra]

Yeah just because we didn't program him to have precepts doesn't necessarily mean he's not a Cephalon

[proper barn]

sure. I guess in my mind Nihil is not in the same category cuz he isn't doing like cephalon things with a different name and such but i get it it he is.

[restive river]

A cephalon is just a digitized human mind through the process of glassing
Which is what Nihil did best and did to himself

He even has the weird geometric hologram representation of himself with his jar

[proper barn]

fair but that's after we like "capture him"

[restive river]

Where are we capturing him from?

[proper barn]

well more like putting him in a jar

away from everyone.

cuz he isn't connected to the weave anymore.

[restive river]

You get my point
He’s in the weave
After glassing himself
Cephalon

*was in the Weave

The Weave is a space we can kinda explore but he glassed himself fully, he’s not logging in he’s just in
Til we extract him and stuff the pieces in a jar

[twin wigeon]

yes yes, it is well known fact that I am MisinformedMango

[north jolt]

Don't forget on the down low bf

[latent chasm]

The lore in the old piece is going to be delicious

[stiff fable]

Move over One Piece, now we have OLD PIECE

[celest needle]

This actually relates since the old peace is probably going to shatter our view of a few characters and add MORE QUESTIONS

[short creek]

was jade and stalker the only canon couple in warframe? is there any other warframe that has love story other than them?

[stiff fable]

Do protoframes count?

Because Minerva and Velimir

[short creek]

ooo nice

[stiff fable]

Also Arthur and Aoi dated sooooo

[short creek]

they do look cute together

[hidden glade]

previously Aoi and Arthur

theres also Belric and Rania

the Entrati family

[humble sierra]

Citrine was involved in a love story... and so was Dagath...

[stiff fable]

weren't Warframes, otherwise fair

[hidden glade]

oh right the question was about frames specifically

I was gonna say we have plenty of relationships confirmed

[stiff fable]

haha, Oberon and Titania also are unconnected, but in literature King Oberon and Queen Titania are husband and wife

[short creek]

nah its fine i like see other couple too

[humble sierra]

Albrecht and his first wife
Albrecht and Loid
Ballas and Margulis
Ballas and his ego
Father and Mother

[stiff fable]

Ordis and the Operator...

[short creek]

lol ballas

[proper barn]

yee i agree.

[proper barn]

dagath had love but also jelously.

Gara

and the unum called each other beloved. @short creek

[dark compass]

Gauss and Grendel were roommates

[celest needle]

The Drifter and whatever Hex Member and soon Triad Member they're feeling that year

[turbid vigil]

do we even know the age of the operator ignoring the unknown time in cryostasis

[tame flax]

Why grendel so fat

[normal blade]

He's not fat

That's peak male performance

[strange plinth]

made like that
also his whole thing is basically gluttony, its thematic

[normal blade]

Ffs I wanna make cannonbolt grendel all of a sudden

https://tenor.com/view/cannonbolt-ben-10-curl-up-rolling-bowling-ball-gif-3076574140774848284

[brittle siren]

Do all the Orokin towers have “mind” like Unum?

[pale cedar]

No

[tame flax]

He eats a lot

[normal blade]

He does, but that's all protein

[tame flax]

HE EATS PEOPLE

Thays a few thousands calories

[normal blade]

Not cannibalism if you're using a warframe

[tame flax]

Millions maybr

[normal blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ehh-lolol-you-like-it-gif-14407643

[tame flax]

Didnt they say rhinl was a cannibal?

Or smth

Like idk abt lore😔

Are the orokin walls edible

Yk they made out of meat so like yk

[humble sierra]

Yeah the Ostron eat the meat

[ocean geyser]

I wonder if letting the Ostrons eat her is uncomfortable in any way

Provided she can even feel pain

[opaque zenith]

Is she who tells where to cut and stuff, so is assumed that she's kin- fine with that

[lean garden]

I mean technically... they are the same species, so it kinda still is cannibalism

[molten egret]

Is the man in the wall the most powerful being in Warframe??

[opaque zenith]

No, that would be Clem

[pale cedar]

Most powerful known character
DE could randomly decide to create a character that is more powerful anytime

[strange turtle]

They’re not the same kind of tower

[brittle siren]

how so

I mean how Unum has "mind" of her own

[pale cedar]

Unum isn’t in every tower

[strange turtle]

Ignoring the structural differences.

They’re not meat, and presumably don’t have Kuva, they have different purposes, the Towers aren’t actually towers, they already have the neural sentry which just seems like it’d be a worse alternative

[brittle siren]

what I mean is, how did Unum came to be? Does she already have her own "sentient" when she was build, or it never confirmed anywhere?

[strange turtle]

Probably more comfortable than them blowing the pieces off in the first place

[pale cedar]

She barely has any lore

[brittle siren]

that sad

[pale cedar]

We just know she feeds Cetus by letting them blow her up

[ocean geyser]

I think it was only revealed that she can talk when New War rolled around

[pale cedar]

Yeah

And that she can stop time

And that New War somehow turned her off

[strange turtle]

Stated to have been aware by the time of the Night of the Naga Drums/Collapse

In the dying days of the Orokin, with forums and promenades still blood-wet from Tenno betrayal, a colossal Sentient descended upon ancient Er, falling from distant stars to deliver upon Orokin a terrible and final ruin. Tower upon Tower fell to its weapons, but one withstood. The Tower of the Unum. The Tenno scattered, but one remained. Gara. She and the Unum - inseparable. The Unum: lodestone of our people, and subject of a hundred stories herself.

[ocean geyser]

The Sentient that became the Eidolons is mad goofy
Bro was mad he couldn’t kill the Orokin himself so he started blowing up towers on earth

[pale cedar]

There’s more than one Earth?

[old dome]

i finally got to the new hex messages & oh... oh quincy...... man's so traumatized he thinks the only way through is by money...

every time i talk to him i just take several emotional damages.

[hollow siren]

Quincy is very cool

[ocean geyser]

😭 typo

[hollow siren]

He's more than meets the eye in many ways

[old dome]

aorry for the sudden change in topic

[strange turtle]

Was

[brittle siren]

actually it the Ostron who blowing up the tower for extract the flesh

[ocean geyser]

What does that have to do with i just said??

[brittle siren]

you said the Sentient/Eidolon blow up towers on Earth

[strange turtle]

…read the message above

[hollow siren]

That is what it was trying to do before Gara defeated it

[brittle siren]

also this is another tower in Venus

it also have flesh

[brittle siren]

I see

[dark compass]

We love the meat tower

I wonder how it tastes

[crimson bone]

So, question here. Anyone know how long the timeline is from when the Operator gets woken up during the Vor thing up to The Hex? I know theres some time skip during The New War, but I'm not sure how much time has passed in universe since the "start" of the game.

[woven coyote]

The devs intentionally leave it unclear

[crimson bone]

Or... more accurately, I want to know how much time passes between Vor at the start and The Second Dream. For the players who played at the start of the whole thing that was literal years before we saw the Operator. I want to know how long the Operator was in action through the Warframe before getting taken out of stasis or what not physically.

[normal mountain]

I mean, I'd say it was as long as you want

[hollow siren]

13 years

[normal mountain]

Sure

[opaque zenith]

DE is usually not fond of these "numbered years" thing, so there's no specific time, only an order of events, and the irl update times ofc

[dark compass]

not a fan of numbered years
1999

[woven coyote]

It is true tho because now we getting xx99

[opaque zenith]

counterpoint: XX99 right after

[celest needle]

Time loop

[woven coyote]

So we have nothing at all to compare to

Most we have was a kim convo about enough time passing for constelations to shift

And that's just between 1999 and present

Funny thing is the characters actually know
Because kaya was able to calculate flare's return to the night of naga drums

[normal mountain]

This probably includes our character
So it's unlikely we'd ever ask and get an answer in-game
🤣 😭

[celest needle]

Tactical drop

https://tenor.com/view/sky-skydiving-cat-parachuting-gif-15024274

[restive river]

How do you even tell what year it would be in the origin system?
Do they go by Earth or the entire System?
Or is it planet to planet?

[lean garden]

I imagine they'd standardise to earth

especially if the Orokin seat of power is on Lua

which is yknow, right next to earth

alternatively they'd just keep how time is tracked, because thats standard all over system

no location is that gravitationally dense where a second becomes significantly more or less than a second

and so
60 seconds to a minute, 60 mins to an hour, 24 hours to a day, 365 days to a year

[restive river]

True

[quartz stirrup]

Im curious. Were warframe operators human once? And were the original ones forced to become their operators by the orokin or just volunteered?

[woven coyote]

How far along the story are you?

@quartz stirrup

[quartz stirrup]

Im in the deadlock protocol, ik its early game but i just wanna know

[woven coyote]

I mean answering that would need major spoilers that's why i'm asking

Like major

[restive river]

What main quests have you played?

[quartz stirrup]

I see......then Ig I'll just play and find out then!

[lean garden]

deadlock...

wouldnt deadlock be post Second Dream?

[quartz stirrup]

No, it is before that i think

[lean garden]

Oh my God it isnt

[woven coyote]

Just before lol

[quartz stirrup]

until heart of deimos

[lean garden]

So thats a no on Second Dream

[woven coyote]

Yeah you aren't too far away from the answers

[restive river]

Keep playing :)

[quartz stirrup]

Would they happen to be on second dream?

[lean garden]

youre like, right about the corner to the exact answer to your question

[woven coyote]

Part of them

[restive river]

You’ll see

[woven coyote]

The exact answers to your question would be partly in the second dream and partly in the sacrifice

[quartz stirrup]

yeah, this is like one of the games i really got hooked up on

[quartz stirrup]

I see, thats good to know

[lean garden]

just beat up some spooky blue weird machine things over in uranus to kick things off

[woven coyote]

Yup

[lean garden]

unless thats no longer a requirement to start that quest

[woven coyote]

Still is iirc

[opaque zenith]

If you're talking about the "strange drones" in Uranus, is not required anymore since the golden path rework

On islewaeaver update irrc

[old dome]

1899, 1799, 1699, 1599...

[dark compass]

3099

[old dome]

2099 :3c

if we actually do get 2099 in wf i hope they reference marvel's 2099 comics...

4099, 5099, 6099, 7099...

[dark compass]

The reveal of it actually being the future would be funny

[celest needle]

“Yeah so the radiation wars nuked us back into ancient times”

[strange turtle]

we get a cutscene with the Triad and it starts with a suspiciously-cog shaped door opening

[short creek]

Yo I just play the hex quest.. that quest lowkey broke me man😭 I got a bad ending 😭😭

[celest needle]

Don't worry you can change it

Just rank up the hex to 3, and use the power of friendship and daily KIM chats

[short creek]

Oh you can?? Thanks for let me know👍

[celest needle]

Make sure to gift them too

[short creek]

Oh I will I need to save my boy Arthur😭

[tame flax]

I need help with a question of lore

[hollow siren]

Shoot

[tame flax]

She asked why citrine has gems on her hoo haa

You know what i mean? Her yk

Her kavat 💔 💔 💔

[hollow siren]

Warframe in general does a lot of blending of morbid and sensual elements in its art direction

[celest needle]

What the ballas

[tame flax]

(My gf)

[tame flax]

NOT ME MY GF

[hollow siren]

Citrine's whole deal is being a caring protector of love, so the yonic design elements might be to evoke a motherly theme

[tame flax]

Ty nick

[tame flax]

Why does styanax exist

I wanna know

[hollow siren]

wdym why

[tame flax]

Why is he he

[hollow siren]

most frames have no concrete info on their in-universe origins

[tame flax]

Why he is himself why he be framing his war

[tame flax]

What about his lore

[hollow siren]

we know nothing about the Original Styanax

[tame flax]

The prime not even here tho

[tame flax]

He was prob a spartan smth smth

[hollow siren]

There's his Leverian entry, but Drusus does not care for differentiating between the Frame itself and a Tenno controlling a potential copy of the frame

So it's impossible to say if his Leverian lore is actually the Original Styanax himself doing it

or just a Tenno using a fabricated Styanax

[tame flax]

🤔

[tame flax]

What does that lore say he do sir

[hollow siren]

That is extremely easy for you and/or your gf to just check out in-game

[tame flax]

Im not playing rn aughhh

Ill check it ig 😔

[normal mountain]

It's important to note that he says the Styanax event happens much more recently compared to other frames

[strange plinth]

i don't think its that he doesn't care, more that he doesn't know
the only time its really brought up is in voruna's leverian iirc, and he acts like he doesn't know what's going on there

[merry parrot]

Hey guys! Just wondering if anyone knows how Protoframes existed in 1999 while the Orokin was invented in the future? 🤔 I'm super curious about this timeline and would love to hear your thoughts on it. 🕵️‍♂️ Any insights or theories would be amazing!

[woven coyote]

No theory needed

Albrecht explicitly brought the warframe injections developed in his time to the past

And to be abundantly clear no grandfather paradoxes are at play

[stiff beacon]

there are collectable lore entries that explain this, you get them by fighting the mocking whisper boss in albrechts laboratories

[woven coyote]

And 1999 is so disconected from the orokin era that no protoframe inspired the warframes

I said this the other day but warframes weren't found in the orokin era they were made in the orokin era

[heady adder]

can someone please give me a simplified TIMELINE of how warframe became.. warframe

[woven coyote]

Like the game itself? The warfarmes in the game?

[silk atlas]

what does that even mean

[woven coyote]

Like singular implies the game
But which do you really mean?

[celest needle]

Well first we start with Dark Sector

[woven coyote]

Guess we will never know which they meant

[merry parrot]

so if albert can travel back easily why he made the reactor explosion 🦥

[woven coyote]

The time travel machine was broken in the first cutscene of whispers

[stiff beacon]

if you wanna be technical we either start with a star trek game, or unreal torunament 2 multiplayer

[proper barn]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-shows-television-tackle-hug-hug-glomping-gif-14859564

[celest needle]

Turns out

You can't escape the eldritch god that exists in the timeless area of space hell

[woven coyote]

Yup

Albrecht should have played warhammer smh

[silk atlas]

he certainly stalled it out for a time

[woven coyote]

True

Us players just kinda messed that up

[celest needle]

Erm actually Rusalka was the one using the terminal 🤓

[woven coyote]

Well his final message was thx kiddo iirc

Which considering the russalka reflection makes me think he was talking to the players like actual players

[celest needle]

So wait what is the lore of the arg

[woven coyote]

Dunno my memory of the arg is foggy at best

[celest needle]

I know what happened but how does it tie into what even happened in 1999

[woven coyote]

I participated more in the zariman one

[woven coyote]

Ties into wally appearing near the metro cab we wake in as arthur during whispers if i understand correctly

[humble sierra]

Also it establishes Wally, or at least the concept of Indifference, being represented as Spiders

Also confirms DE is a lazy and greedy company that doesn't care about its employees

[celest needle]

Oh you Techrot

[Holy Sol Techrot is actually scary]

[heady adder]

As in like, timeline of events of the story. I keep hearing abt radiation wars and all this extra stuff that has never made sense to me

[celest needle]

humanity blew themselves up with nukes multiple times

[woven coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9AKhQZVFoI

Found it finally

[woven coyote]

Well we know 1999
Unknown ammount of time and Radiation wars
Orokin era
Void is discovered
Origin system at risk of running out of resources(by orokin standards)
Sentients aproved and sent to terraform tau and build a solar rail
Orokin get impatient and send zariman (which fails)
Sentients return
Old war
Zariman returns?
Feral warframes
They discover tenno pacify warframes
Old peace
Old war 2 electric boogaloo
Night of naga drums
Sleep
We start playing the game

[heady adder]

😭😂

Okay that makes pretty good sense lol

[proper barn]

Feral warframe before Zariman return.

[woven coyote]

Wasnt sure, that's why i put the question mark lol

[proper barn]

Well

It all depends on what Kullevro means

[hidden glade]

Sentients dont return until after the Old Peace

[strange plinth]

they link back up with the orokin empire through the solar rail
semantics

[hidden glade]

so
Zariman fails
Sentients rebel
Old War starts
Warframes are developed
Zariman returns
Tenno are used for War
Old Peace is formed

quest takes place here
Old Peace is broken, Orokin pushed out of Tau
Sentient attack on Sol, spearheaded by Hunhow
Solar Rail is destroyed, severing Tau from Sol pseudo-permanently
then so on as we know it

[proper barn]

incorrect?

they attack the origin system cuz the orokin where losing a few times.

unless we think they didn't attack until after.

[hidden glade]

the Sentients cannot return to the Origin System until after the Old Peace, otherwise it is impossible for us to have an active force in Tau

[proper barn]

why?

[hidden glade]

Hunhow destroyed the Solar Rail when they returned to the Origin System, no more forces could be sent to Tau, including us

[proper barn]

they juse use the solar rail

[hidden glade]

it was a 1-way trip

[proper barn]

well no he didn't do that until

[strange plinth]

there can be two waves of invading forces
hunhow destroys the rail in the latter half

[proper barn]

the end of the war

as part of the like plan to take out the tenno.

pretty sure in natah Hunhow talks about it like it was part of the whole lotus plan. @hidden glade

"Sentient: "We crossed the gap, wombs in ruin, to bring an end to this. We severed the worlds, let them destroy me, why is the sequence not complete?"

[proper barn]

WAIT also this doesn't make sense cuz the first grinner soilder happened when sentients attacked a mining operation with grinner at it.

UNLESS we think that happened in tau?

[strange plinth]

we know the name of the mine but not exactly where it was located, i thought

[proper barn]

which it might havee

[strange plinth]

yea we know there are grineer there. kind of a question of if there was an even briefer time of peace when the orokin started moving into tau before the old war started

[hollow siren]

Hunhow's final assault is far from the only assault on Sol they did. It's just that Hunhow's was the final and greatest assault, directly against Lua

[hidden glade]

I keep losing my train of thought but I just struggle to make sense of that happening, the Orokin were losing so would have been pushed out of Tau, having us forming the Old Peace in Tau while Hunhow is in the Origin System seems out of order and little sense to priorities to where Orokin resources are spread.
Hunhow making the move to make sure Tau is safe is much more aligned with the Sentients priority, and I dont see why he would only destroy the rail so much later, if the rail is available all this time he's in the Origin System and the infiltration plan comes later or if he returns to the Origin System with the infiltration plan as the goal either way would still want the rail destroyed immediately

and tbh I dont remember any attack on mining operations, I assume its in a very specific codex entry

[strange plinth]

its the lancer synthesis iirc

[hollow siren]

One of Simaris' research goals

[hidden glade]

Ill have to read it some time

[hollow siren]

Tells of how Combat Grineer were born from a mining Grineer managing to kill an attacking Sentient

Sentients attacked Sol many times during the Old War. It wasn't until he obtained the Vitruvian that Hunhow himself went on his final assault, destroying the Sol-Tau Rail on arrival

[strange plinth]

hunhow's force was also intended to fail. the whole plan was to assault lua, fail, the tenno would massacre the orokin, then natah would kill the tenno
hunhow spends a whole quest yapping about how lotus failed on the final step

[hollow siren]

yeah the actual assault was more of a distraction than anything

Hunhow would effectively sacrifice himself to ensure Natah could succeed

[proper barn]

okay so in the grendel guass prime trailer ballas talks about how some of the seven think they are losing the war. this feels like it has to be a long war. also i can understand hunhow going to the origin system after the old war i just don't fully accept they do the solar rail explosion immeditaly after he gets there.

but idk.

[proper barn]

WELL played dead.

that was part of the plan was to act like he was dead when he wasn't.

[hollow siren]

yeah true

[hollow siren]

He did that to ensure the Orokin cannot reach Tau while he is incapacitated

severing the link until the war is over

The Old War was indeed a long time-period of recurring conflicts tho, yeah

[rose estuary]

if there was a solar rail going to tau why didn't ballas just repair it during the new war instead of eating the sun?

[tall echo]

The sun wasn't the original plan

[dire mountain]

Other side 💥

[hollow siren]

Using Praghasa to jump there by having her eat the sun was a desperation gamble

[rose estuary]

oh ok

[hollow siren]

I'm leaning towards Tau 2026 being Pazuul managing to repair the Rail with the resources and data he's gathered in Archon Hunts, and us pursuing him to Tau through it

[strange plinth]

we wouldn't bow to him so he decided the best option was to Blow Up The Sun

[hollow siren]

he got fed up with the Origin system

[dire mountain]

Manchild throws a tantrum because the child he hates, hates him

[tall echo]

It was him going "ok this is getting too dangerous time to delete the system"

[celest needle]

Was there like

ANY consequence to to this

You can't just bite the sun 😭

[tall echo]

To what

[strange plinth]

there is a bitemark in the tennocon trailer lmao

[hollow siren]

we see Sol has a "scar" of sorts

that might come into play

[tall echo]

The consequence is wally doing a funny

[hollow siren]

yeah wildly opening Void Gates is also a bad idea as Wally now has much more room for action than before

[strange plinth]

yup

[tall echo]

Civilians in the system: "what a funky lookin sun spot"

[proper barn]

yeah

[hollow siren]

we'll wake up from our therapy sessions/inferno voyages to Hunhow DMing us like "hey uh Tenno we have a problem"

[woven coyote]

Two things to consider
1 the sentient and the tenno fought before the old peace it is explicitly stated during the demo
2 it wasn't stated when hunhow blew up the rail
So far the consensus seems to be on after the old peace

Which would leave the rail intact for back and forth travel and fighting during the first half of the old war

Hmmm i can see how it would be possible that no sentient came to the origin system before the old war

Like with the war starting with the orokin going there instead of the sentients attacking origin first

Both sides have said the other shot first, but neither said where the metaphorical shot happened as far as i remember

Also random thought
Anyone think the moon perita might be named so because of perintol the creator of the sentients?

[strange plinth]

i've mistaken perita for perintol at least once before in this chat
the words, not the actual person n place obv
its possible

[celest needle]

NARMER CONTENT! PLEASE!

THEY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING

[raven oar]

I agree

But on a side note I want you guys Opinion On where this quest ending is going

The quest I am taking about is the old peace by the way

Because I just find it weird that de chooses now to tale the story of the old war

[brittle siren]

cuz we barely know about the Old War

[raven oar]

Yes but they were avoiding Talking about it for Years and besides tau i don't see why we should go there when I think they were avoiding it for a reason

[lean garden]

and what reason might that be

[raven oar]

I don't know there reason I just find it weird that now they want to talk about the operator part with the old war

[lean garden]

Its seemingly a necessary part to finding albrecht now

[brittle siren]

Albrecht saying about Tau
We heard from Drifter and start finding a way
Then Lotus help us to recall old memories about Tau, prob to find a way to Tau without solar rail

[rose estuary]

ngl i hope de doesn't just kill off adis in the old peace

[lean garden]

I mean... what better way to reignite the old war

[mystic lynx]

important side character suspiciously not appearing in present events is usually not a good sign

[brittle siren]

or only die temporary

[rose estuary]

true

[raven oar]

Because I would find it cheap story telling to make you kill your friend and give you trauma you are going to walk of in 15 minutes and you are back to your old self

[lean garden]

Based on the trailer alone I think this is already going the wrong direction

[rose estuary]

same

[lean garden]

the Operator has a whole cutscene where they react strongly to the existence of Adis

in the present day right out the pool

[old dome]

i wonder if we're gonna see hunhow in the old peace... thatd be cool.

i miss the old man

[strange plinth]

i'd think erra is more likely to show than hunhow

[old dome]

also its very interesting to me that there was a peace treaty (?), given how Orokin were...

[rose estuary]

^

[strange plinth]

i mean, the sentients rebelled, succeeded for a while, and then got ravaged by warframes. the orokin would probably accept a deal as long as they went back to being subservient

[raven oar]

I certainly hope they don't make us kill adis to make us the but I think they said that this story is going to take a dark turn

[woven coyote]

A rebellion led by dax (who we know the orokin could control) and grineer (who have loyalty in their genes) is awfully convenient huh?

[old dome]

which, also given how all three sentients we know, either didnt want to be subservient or straight up wanted to kill the Orokin.

[raven oar]

Yes something does not seem right here

[old dome]

yeah like. 👀👀👀👀 whats going on there? 👀👀👀

(inb4 its part of ballas' whole secret rebellion plan.)

[woven coyote]

Chances are its ballas' favourite passtime again "backstab everyone"

[raven oar]

Yes that would seem to be the case

[old dome]

like,, umbra got warframed when he found out abt ballas' plans so the fact that there was a rebellion by a dax & a grineer? sentients possibly accpeting a peace treaty w their slavers...? Something's fishy!!

-# i also still havent watched top's trailer

[strange plinth]

it seems like the most likely thing. a way for the old war to reignite + "I killed him, lotus"

[old dome]

more trauma for the child soldiers...

[woven coyote]

insert san andreas meme

[old dome]

"ah sh. here we go again."?

[woven coyote]

Ye

Too lazy to actually go find the gif

[raven oar]

Yes unfortunately it is likely to had in that direction i don't like it but I will deal with it

[old dome]

i wish the old peace isnt actually all that traumatizing to the tenno,,, please theyve had enough i cant watch them go through more of it 😭😭😭

[celest needle]

Meanwhile the drifter

[raven oar]

I just wanted the operator to finally get the same character development the drifter has i mean the drifter is right now a better character than the traumatized chid soldier and they are going to have even more character development with the devil triad i mean come on

[proper barn]

You stole that from me. I'm glad it's spreading but it is from me.