lore-discussion

[stark bridge]

I think it was either the KIM convo of yesterday, or today, but the Drifter straight up mentions that Wally likes to play games, like playing with his food

[glacial bough]

Wally thrives on causing negative emotions and mental patterns. Love is the only thing that drives him away

[stark bridge]

Which is something i've thought about for a while

Because i feel like if he wanted to, he could just... put an end to a lot of things, but doesn't

[glacial bough]

He does yes. He's not out for the complete end of everything, he still wants entertainment

[stiff fable]

He actually can't

[quartz bison]

basically what you're saying is hes a jobless spoiled kid that doesnt care about anything?

[glacial bough]

No, Wally wants people to care about stuff

[stiff fable]

And he wins the universe if he makes everyone agree he's right

[glacial bough]

Wally wants people to care and he can then test and break it

[stiff fable]

Losing his finger means that Wally can't just roll up and delete existence

[stark bridge]

So the entire system is just playing a part in Wally's messed up experiment

[stiff fable]

He has to set up chains of cause and effect that start with someone opening a little door for him, then the Murmur show up, then the Fragmented One, and then him

[stark bridge]

Maybe that's why he's being a crybaby about it, but idk

[quartz bison]

IF HE DOESNT CARE WHY THE HELL DOES HE DO WHAT HE DOES?

this drives me crazy sorry

[stiff fable]

because he needs YOU to not care

[glacial bough]

He does "care" in a manner

[quartz bison]

why does he NEED if he doesnt care

its a loop

[stark bridge]

I'd say he does care about some things, what i don't know specifically, but in an extremely, almost psychotically nihilistic manner

[glacial bough]

Wally wants you to care so he can feed on breaking it

[stiff fable]

The usual answer is "how should I know how an eldritch entity beyond mortal understanding sees anything"

But I've always though that was a cop-out answer for losers with no imagination

[stark bridge]

This is why i never liked Cthulhu

[stiff fable]

I think it just comes down to how the Void works

The void manifests things

But only when you FEEL it

You can't intentionally shape the void, it's potential energy, potential existence

[stark bridge]

Unreality can be made into reality through feelings, which we call conceptual embodiment, which is the reason Duviri exists

[stiff fable]

Wally is the collective human capacity to not care about anything

Including "existing"

[quartz bison]

can i post links in here?

[glacial bough]

Every action Wally has taken has always been about creating more grief, heartache, sadness, etc.

[stiff fable]

no actually, they get auto-deleted

[glacial bough]

Wally is always happiest when people are feeling sad, or grief, or despair

[quartz bison]

i found a redditor that tracked all the fragments and made a post

[stiff fable]

If you've played the good Persona games, meaning 1 and 2, he's basically that Nyarlathotep

Which is an embodiment of the capacity for human evil

[stark bridge]

So i kind of feel like The Void is a thing that can, and might want to be filled, but Wally wants or needs to know that The Void, or emptiness as a concept, can also be inside other things

I'm basically grasping at strings with this though

[stiff fable]

Wally is one specific idea

The part of you, and every person, that says "who gives a shit" when you read something you don't care about

But it's like that about everything

[glacial bough]

By given examples, Wally wants to fill everthing up with despair, not apathy

[stark bridge]

Wait hold the phone

[stiff fable]

like v-tubers

They suck

People who try to explain why they like those weird wannabe celebrities just make me hate them more

[glacial bough]

Wally can't do anything with people who don't care

He needs to be able to get a respone of some kind

[quartz bison]

what if we are wtill the ones provoking wally to this day

[stiff fable]

So you try to explain to Wally why existence itself matters, and he just decides to erase it twice as hard

[stiff fable]

We are! Because we exist.

That's the issue. Wally wants everything to not matter. And if nothing matters, then it might as well not exist.

[quartz bison]

deep

[stiff fable]

no lol

but that's the point

[glacial bough]

Wally definitely wants things to exist though

He's never wanted apathy, he wants negative emotional responses

[stiff fable]

no that's just it, even negative responses keep him out. It IS apathy that lets him in.

[restive river]

At most he wants entropy

[glacial bough]

No, it's definietly not apathy

[stark bridge]

I wanna theorize about something

So... Duviri is based on mental and emotional states, being the spirals, and aspects of life like the island with the school on it, the watchtower, the gardens, the graveyards

But eventually, those islands drift away by either something that Wally does, or Thrax intervening so that worse things can't happen

So for those lost islands, would that mean that the general host of those emotions stopped caring about that certain emotional aspect?

Acrithis tells us that Duviri is a shell of what it used to be in many ways, and that merely base emotions are left, and not much else special like the lost islands

So it's not just The Indifference (Wally) swallowing parts of Duviri, it's actual indifference

[stiff fable]

That's the entire thrust of Arthur's KIM

[restive river]

Those lost islands were sent away by Thrax due to Wally sightings

[stiff fable]

Duviri is based on the edutainment book/game "How to control teenage emotions before we jump into the place where emotion is dangerous"

[restive river]

All but 1 was Thrax sending them away

[stiff fable]

There actually are only five councilors, it's not like each island corresponds to an emotion

[glacial bough]

Wally has always been at best when people are actively feeling negative emotions. It's why he like when you confuse your memories with Umbra's, it's why he's able to get into Loid's head during Whispers

[stiff fable]

It's just that over time, Wally ate more and more of it

[restive river]

Some other duvirians may represent some other emotions but they aren’t as “large” as the main 5

[glacial bough]

Apathy keeps him out, gives him nothing to work with

[stark bridge]

I'm aware, but i was bringing into question that a lot of the now lost islands might be key features of someone's experiences

[stiff fable]

In different ways, corresponding potentially to different things happening in the Origin system

[restive river]

Like Acrithis might be a representation of curiosity but she’s not the courtier of that emotion cause
It doesn’t have a spiral

[stiff fable]

nah lol, most of the other islands represents locations in Mom's RP sessions

I'm only joking a little kek

[restive river]

I do find it odd there’s no calm courtier but
The spirals are due to Thrax/Drifter’s emotions

[stiff fable]

I mean, the point is about how these five emotions specifically can run away with you

[restive river]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

The book wasn't teaching how to avoid Wally, but avoiding accidentally manifesting things

[restive river]

Those other islands drifting away probably aren’t even in the book cause
They were sent off due to Wally happenings :p

Cause Thrax and Drifter were warned about Wally by Albrecht

[stiff fable]

Yeah. Plus there were some islands that were set up after the kingdom was manifested

[restive river]

Ah the Orokin
They love making things that immediately backfire :)

[glacial bough]

Most everything that happens in Duviri wasn't in the book

[stiff fable]

Like, the Doll Mausoleum doesn't exist until after the Zariman crash, because, well, why would it

[glacial bough]

No Scholar, no Hermit, no Drifter

[restive river]

I mean the narration is from the book so to some extent those stories are there
But the history of Duviri isn’t in the book

[stiff fable]

yeah that's it

[restive river]

Scholar’s landing doesn’t exist until Albrecht comes along

[stiff fable]

Duviri isn't a real kingdom until it's manifested

[restive river]

Which I do wonder if it really was that close to the Castle

[stiff fable]

It's like asking about the court politics of Atlantis or Camelot

[stark bridge]

That does make sense, as she was the person who ventured the furthest from Duviri from my knowledge (before Isleweaver ofc, with Thrax standing physically in your dormizone rather than as just a hologram) and also just her curiosity about The Drifter

[restive river]

Some other NPCs may represent other emotions but like
They’re not like the courtiers and those emotions don’t have spirals cause Thrax has like
6 moods :p

Still wondering where the calm courtier is at

[stiff fable]

it's metaphors all the way down!

[glacial bough]

Well, more cause DE didn't want too many spirals

[restive river]

spiraling down!

[stiff fable]

AYYYYYYY

[stark bridge]

Speaking of, Wally mentioned that Oraxia was actually meant to first protect Albrecht, and then be passed down into The Drifter

Along with... someone? saying that there would come a time where Duviri would be needed

[restive river]

More cause they couldn’t

[stiff fable]

Oraxia was Albrecht's guardian Warframe

The way Gara defended the Unum, or Protea Parvos

[restive river]

Oraxia was Albrecht’s body guard in Duviri and she was meant to also help us
But Wally got there first

[stark bridge]

Yeah, that

[glacial bough]

iirc, the plan was like 10 spirals at first

[restive river]

In a roundabout way she does help us cause we dismantle her and use her :D

[stiff fable]

makes you wonder what would have happened with Dante if he hadn't unalived himself

[restive river]

Duviri was already pushing it from a technical standpoint too
Like there’s a reason we can’t explore all of it during triumph of dust lol

[stark bridge]

I really wanna collect all of Oraxia's lore tablets but i do not know where to find most of them, i only have like 2 or 3

[restive river]

People are working on maps :)

There’s a few in the undercroft waiting area

[stark bridge]

Honestly seeing the countdown under Triumph of dust makes me wonder what comes after

[stiff fable]

I have all but 4 and I know where 2 of those are

[restive river]

And 3 in the fragmented arena iirc

[stiff fable]

Loading is just too fast on PC, I literally need to play on Switch again bwahahaha

[restive river]

That’s for operation eight claw

[restive river]

Lmao yeahh

[stark bridge]

So Triumph of dust is permanent itself, then?

[stiff fable]

Isleweaver is, yes

[restive river]

Yes
After eight claw Thrax will go home cause we won :)

[stiff fable]

We're just not going to keep Thrax

if you want to see what Isleweaver will be like, talk to Acrithis

her shop is open now too actually

[restive river]

It’s just the oraxia shop basically

Same as Thrax’s

[stark bridge]

Because it does seem like a sort of spiral, with it having a story name, so i was wondering if we would get variations along the way, or if it was just a one and done story

[stiff fable]

yeah should have specified

I mean it's a one-shot fanfiction lol

[stark bridge]

It is yeah 😭

It's also literally named 'triumph of dust', how much self-glazing do you want

0/10 fanfic, the MC is a self-insert

[stiff fable]

Mary sue self-insert real person fanfiction

That's like, the unholy trinity right there

[stark bridge]

Might get you banned off of AO3 and there's not much that gets banned off of AO3

You'd just get an email saying "yo fic is trash" and then get banned

[stiff fable]

delete AO3 just to be safe

[dire mountain]

Chilling at their house probably

[stark bridge]

That kind of makes me question the trustability of the triumph of dust as a whole, or if Wally is just misrepresenting the entire thing

Because honestly, i don't think Oraxia would be nice to be around constantly

Makes me question if Entrati would make a Warframe that monstrous on purpose, or if Wally just made more things up

[stiff fable]

I mean, he drove Oraxia insane

[stark bridge]

Might just be infection strain alterations

[stiff fable]

also I figured that Oraxia was a Ballas original

afaik Albrecht only made Qorvex

[stark bridge]

I think Duviri can also change Warframes' behaviors and looks, given that i don't think Kullervo looked like that before he got into Duviri

So Oraxia going mad might have just been the catalyst for her becoming like this

She does still show some nobility and courage in her noble stance animation, but it feels corrupted somehow

[stiff fable]

that's true actually, though I figured that was Kullervo's void bath as much as anything else

Since there was some travel time between reality and Duviri

[lean garden]

dont forget skellington primr

[glacial bough]

I mean, it's not out of his abilties, we know he can actively change all realities as a whole

[lean garden]

i know those obols anywhere

[stiff fable]

.....fair!

[glacial bough]

wiping out timelines would be trivial to him

[lean garden]

so trivial he gets beat by old man yaoi

[glacial bough]

There'll always be more

[stark bridge]

If anything, this new outlook Oraxia makes her story even more tragic

A once noble guardian of an Orokin scientist, driven mad by silence and isolation, twisted and mangled for a master she doesn't want to answer to, but can't see that through the fog of her own mind, seeing foe as friend and friend as foe

[stiff fable]

....but she is going to be allowed to gorge

And that's not nothing

[stark bridge]

Damn i could make a book out of this

Basically The Sacrifice²

Because i think Transference is still therapeutic to first generation Warframes

[stiff fable]

if there's a person in there it helps

[stark bridge]

Reminds me of Jade's lore feathers

I loved that story, where she put her Tenno to sleep and went into battle while in control

[stiff fable]

I mean, all the Warframes keep their minds if they have something they can hold on to for long enough

Dante's search for knowledge (though, lol)

Jade's child

[stark bridge]

Yeah he kinda... ran out of funding and instead of going into debt he terminated the project
-# and himself

[stiff fable]

Kullervo's betrayal

Ah no, that was Drusus

Dante was worse!

He found Albrecht's book and it started eating him.

So he commited die.

[stark bridge]

Evil book fights 'frame's brain for space

Both lose

[alpine breach]

Damn didn't they make a game outta that

[stiff fable]

isn't that the plot of Evil Dead

[alpine breach]

That or Cyberpunk

[stiff fable]

Oh I thought you were going to say NIER Replicant

....man, three nickels

[stark bridge]

Would Silverhand be classified as a bloatware computer virus

[alpine breach]

Sadly I haven't played replicant

[stiff fable]

Jobberhands blows so yes

Morgan Blackhand the real OG

[alpine breach]

The fanfiction I made in my head says otherwise, checkmate Saka lackeys

[stiff fable]

coincidentally, that's exactly how Silverhand operated

[blissful merlin]

That story still gets me…

Sorry for the ping. I meant to click that off before hitting send but my finger slipped lol

[stark bridge]

Jade would have been such an amazing mother...

A few days ago i saw an artwork on Twitter of Sirius / Orion giggling while looking up at Jade's leftover motes, and Sorren was wondering why they were doing that

The second panel showed Sirius' /Orion's perspective, and that they were playing Peekaboo with Jade's spirit

[stiff fable]

I still think JS is the highpoint of Warframe's interactive storytelling

Midwife rhythm minigame notwithstanding

[stark bridge]

Like yes, sensually caress me with that sharpened chainsaw please

[stiff fable]

The only thing I think that would have been better would have been if the Acolytes showed up with batteries during the elevator sequence

[stark bridge]

I'd actually like some lore on the Acolytes someday

[stiff fable]

So much of the game's worldbuilding is underutilized

[alpine breach]

Yea, I'm pretty sure all we have is that they're into what they think Sorren does, but Sorren doesn't exactly like them?

[stiff fable]

Like, I get why, but man

basically yeah

[stark bridge]

They're like... Orion's sucky uncles that don't contribute to the family in the slightest

[alpine breach]

They contributing to this vospher pool that's for sure

[stiff fable]

hahahahahahaha

[blissful merlin]

Imagine if our operator comes into contact with the child again and it’s just like an instant recognition…or we somehow accidentally transfer into him?? Idk…trying to think of it where our own Tenno is emotionally connected to this child so stalker can stop hating us fully lol. I know afterwards he’s a little iffy on it but still!! He’s not fully convinced right?

[stark bridge]

But the problem is, i probably won't need to gamble with vosfor any time soon, since fn i have all the Arcanes i want, having gotten both a maxed Arachne, and Fury from Isleweaver

[stiff fable]

if stalker stops hating you you'll never get another Dread blueprint ever

and yeah the event is weirdly.... undertuned?

I cannot believe I just wrote that

but it won't be hard to max out the store basically entirely and never ever have to come back

[stark bridge]

Yeah, not much added to the pool of rewards for Eight Claw

It's all of the stuff from Jade Shadows but with slight differences

[stiff fable]

And have enough surplus pathos clamps for all your incarnons, plus some extra for Acrithis

like this is actually nutso

[stark bridge]

Actually i think Jade Shadows actually had more rewards

[stiff fable]

it did, the t1 eidolon arcanes were in that pool

so you can't use this for Arcane Nullifier which is weird

[stark bridge]

Rn i have more than i have ever had, i think i have around 100 right now, and i haven't even bought any of the 100 you can buy from Eight Claw

[stiff fable]

and I didn't check specifically, but is the Ceti Lacera available this time?

[alpine breach]

Even in the base missions outside event, didn't JS have more than the basic frame + weapons and an extra?

[stiff fable]

also, nice, get yourself the Duviri melees

[stark bridge]

It is

[stiff fable]

JS had the new ascension arcanes as part of base rewards

[stark bridge]

The Basmu is also available

[stiff fable]

yeah okay, it's the same reward set we've had since Gargoyle's Cry reward set minus the eidolon arcanes

[stark bridge]

And the Krios signa...

[blissful merlin]

That’s what his acolytes are for. They’ll never get lore so they can just drop us all the BP lol

Like how they somehow show up in 1999

[stark bridge]

Voilence specifically exists to stick a foot inbetween my door any time i try to use a frame that relies on abilities to function

[alpine breach]

Wait no yeah, how DO they get in 1999?.

[stark bridge]

And there's also that really annoying one that can basically make some sort of bubble around you that makes it so that if you do even anything hostile, you hit yourself instead

[stark bridge]

They are Tenno hunters, technically speaking, so there might be a theory where they might be tethered to the Tenno in some way

[dire mountain]

They hated so hard it traveled through time

[stark bridge]

Or just a personification of a Tenno's sins because they're all named stuff like Misery, Violence, etc.

[alpine breach]

The last answer leaves me with too many questions to wrap my head around and the first one sounds right, imma go with what Caesar said tbh

[quartz bison]

yo anyone know where velimir is ?

[alpine breach]

Grilling techrot again idk

[stark bridge]

I'm still hung up over the fact that Gianni Matragrano voices Sorren now, to be honest

[stiff fable]

same way any Warframe does

change their appearance in the arsenal, get on the transport, and change back before bushwhacking the Tenno

[stuck marsh]

so i found Loid's body on top of a giant pillar in duviri with a message on it that basically boiled down to this is a version of loid we failed and the indifference harvested the heartbreak from him like nuclear energy and the splitting of an atom.

[quartz bison]

eternalism

[stiff fable]

not even that, Isleweaver is literally Wally writing Duviri fanfiction

That Loid is a "what if"

[stuck marsh]

nice

[abstract canyon]

I have a theory that the modern day tenno are just glorified mercenaries similar to the Belgian Mercenaries during 1960s Congo we even use platinum which would be this world's version of blood diamond and the standard currency is a hyper inflated Credit basically worthless on the greater system economy I see many parallels with the 1960s Congo and The Modern Day origin system

[glacial bough]

We are mercenaries. yes. But no in regards to platinum and credits

Well, kind of with credits actually, if you believe there's a conversion rate

[stiff fable]

largely incorrect, thought a few Grineer bosses make that accusation

The Tenno are basically trying to stop both major factions from killing everyone else in the Origin System, particularly the independent colonies

To do that they alternate between helping the factions and hurting them, and in general making sure they're too busy with each other to smash every city and space colony they can see

Like, we're not even fighting their main armies

[abstract canyon]

Oh damn

[humble sierra]

The most "mercenary" work I can think of, besides just general selfish looting missions, is the favor we owed Alad V for his help in the Second Dream— which most people don't experience besides those lines of dialogue, since it's an old operation

Oh and Invasions

And that other operation where we chose either the Grineer or Corpus for something

Most of this is before my time, I only really played early 2025

[pastel onyx]

So can someone explain to me the new lore that added here? I have a basic understanding of Wally controlling the general and he needs his body that is traped here but waht else. I think what he is actually after is to control all possible and impossible realities

[glacial bough]

Wally can already do that to an extent

I'd say he's out to be able to treat all of reality as a playground

[red pasture]

I think the man in wall in durival and indifference

Tennocon I think man in wall (wally) going to sun and spread chaos

[swift sentinel]

Gradvius Dilemma, whether or not the Grineer took over Mars.

[pastel onyx]

do u think or know if wally is actually just Dr. Entrati in another timeline who happens to be the most evil version of himself?

[glacial bough]

Probably not

You'd to explain how they somehow got to reality manipulation on that scale

[pastel onyx]

no clue just guessing but is there evidence suggesting this isnt possible?

[graceful swan]

The fact Albrecht spoke with Wally in 1999 and was bleeding for that matter

The fact Wally chasing himself to 1999 would be pointless

[pastel onyx]

ok ok. So with this new lore from the update what have the lore hounds dug up? Seeing Wallys face in the sky of the boss battle or in that monolith is pretty cool and creepy

[graceful swan]

You could actually see Wallys face in Whispers too

[pastel onyx]

i know

[gusty flare]

Any good in-depth lore youtube channels y'all recommend?

[strange turtle]

Orokin Archives

Haven’t checked him out myself but CoolKid’s apparently pretty good too

[lean garden]

bagus is pretty good

[humble sierra]

You can find "corpses" of ||Loid and the Hex|| around the map that have stories attached to them, as well as some new lore fragments like the main Duviri's Lost Islands

[drowsy cobalt]

Anyone know where these last two Isleweaver scans are?

Are they in the undercroft or normal Duviri?

[pearl rune]

Are those new fragments added to the game??

[drowsy cobalt]

Yeah, they can be found around the Isleweaver map

and also in the Fragmented one arena

Decent amount of them were hidden fairly well

but now I'm stumped and it feels weird that it is specifically the last two

I feel like it has to do with a special statue, but can't seem to get anything out of it

[pearl rune]

Great job finding all of them except 2,hope you made a video and put it on YouTube and be the first to do it 😄

Honestly I didn't start the new update yet, but that's good to know that's there's something interesting could be farmed

[brittle siren]

so
Neci is kinda dead and Wally just use her body for fun atm

[graceful swan]

No

Neci is possessed not dead

[humble sierra]

Without an actual quest we won't know for sure

I mean we know it's a possession thing right now

But we won't get any conclusion without a quest

[graceful swan]

We knew it was possession from playing the quest

[humble sierra]

I feel like we're freeing her eventually, or killing her to put her out of her mercy. A lot of her lines in Isleweaver are implying he's taking on her form, simply shape shifting to look like her without explicitly saying he's controlling her— my guess is they're just leaving it open enough so that way when we end up freeing her, it will still make sense why he looks like her in future Isleweaver playthroughs.

With that in mind, I suddenly feel like we won't ever end up "killing" Wally, otherwise this gamemode won't make sense

Unless stuff changes after this Operation and theres some separate dialogue about the Indifference's influence

[graceful swan]

I don’t think we’ll ever kill Wally anyway

[quartz bison]

how do i get the new sudali from vor?

[brittle siren]

also Thrax has human skin

[graceful swan]

Still a doll

Human looking not human skin

[drowsy cobalt]

Eleanor states that she has been completely hollowed out, Wally is just pupetting a corpse essentially. Wally also states that the body is chewed up, so likely nothing much of her left anyway.

[hexed oxide]

rusalka does say something about inhaling poison to get rid of the techrot in her lungs so...yikes

[north jolt]

Maybe though some lines like her talking about being ousted from Hollvania make me think SOMETHING of her original self is still there, but she's definitely not the one piloting the ship so to speak

[drowsy cobalt]

I think Neci has basically been lobotimified by Wally

And she wouldn't be the only one in the lore to have gone insane from Wally messing with them

[rapid kindle]

I think Wally likes to play the role of whoever he is possessing at the moment

[drowsy cobalt]

That isn't really her personality from what Velimir and Minerva say about Neci

[rapid kindle]

yeah but him talking as if he is the real her would not be out of character is what I'm saying

[drowsy cobalt]

It's more like Wally will put on an act to manipulate someone if only for a bit, just wearing their skin to mess with them

[north jolt]

I see it as Wally basically propping her up as a puppet queen through which to enact his own will on Duviri while she's being deluded into thinking she has her own kingdom

[drowsy cobalt]

From what I understand is that Wally needs a puppet in order to hhave a direct effect on the world

[north jolt]

I don't know if that's also necessarily true for Duviri or not but it just seems like whats going on atm

[drowsy cobalt]

Duviri is just some place in the void

it can be found on accident even

kinda like Lua in a way

[rapid kindle]

I think an interpretation of that is that duviri is close enough to the rift to the material world that it's still not fully void

hence he still does need a puppet to physically interact

[north jolt]

Makes sense

[drowsy cobalt]

The Zariman acts a gateway to its place in the void

[north jolt]

Do you think the Zarimam guys actually met Thrax yet?

[graceful swan]

Zariman guys?

[drowsy cobalt]

Thrax mentions he won't go further into the Zariman without his centurions

[drowsy cobalt]

they mean Holdfasts

[graceful swan]

Oh

Probably not

He’s hiding in the one place they don’t go

[north jolt]

I legit forgot the group's actual name :d

[rapid kindle]

tbh considering the teasers for tennocon strongly hinting towards a return to the murex/sentients plotline I wouldn't be super surprised if there is a bit of a pause on the saving/killing rusalka storyline

though the ||new KIM convo|| somewhat does imply there's at least something to be saved of her

[tranquil mica]

hi, 8 spider fragments found

it's hard..

[quartz musk]

It is. Though Avarak has supplied a few good locations already.

[tranquil mica]

ah ...

[quartz musk]

I'm missing the 13th fragment.

[olive thunder]

i have a theory

[tranquil mica]

and there is a page to the high building

[olive thunder]

could thalys be an uncorrupted version of the hespar

[quartz musk]

I don't know where else it could be other than the undercroft. I've heard there's three.

[olive thunder]

its a zariman originated scythe and an incarnon

[quartz musk]

https://tenor.com/view/matpat-game-theory-vs-bob-fnf-friday-night-funkin-vs-bob-gif-12176028033304353407

[olive thunder]

oh btw i found a youtube channel that shows where every fragment is, need a link?

[tranquil mica]

but think for find all without problem , it's solo

[quartz musk]

Absolutely.

[olive thunder]

https://youtube.com/@ninjadeath7218?si=Z92j7Jm98ymnmnjj

each fragment is 1 vid

[quartz musk]

Thank you.

[tranquil mica]

but disappointed, i've quit squad, and lost all resources earn during solo move

i was to 176 times dust, i've finish on quit with 72 times dust

just for story of decree

[north jolt]

Oh and I just re-remembered Neci mentioning having the tech rot. Explains her huffing on toxic gas but it makes me wonder

Will she become a protoframe? (In the event we "save" her, IF )

[tall echo]

No

[north jolt]

Silence computer

[tranquil mica]

techrot is an invention

a word from Eleanor

[tall echo]

Techrot infection =/= warframe transformation

[north jolt]

I know that, I said " If we save her"

Like use one of Albrecht's serums on her

[rapid kindle]

tbh one of the new KIM conversations has me wondering if there even is a way to save anyone except nuking hollvania in 1999

[tranquil mica]

she has create this word on search in the sewers

[tall echo]

Track down albrecht and force him to inject her

[tall echo]

Ok but that's irrelevant

[north jolt]

I don't know if that will happen but it got me thinking about the possibility now (or we could just straight up kill her I guess )

[rapid kindle]

in her current state I think she's as unkillable as our own doppelganger

or maybe if you kill the original... the void copy dies asw? is there even an original rusalka anymore?

has the indifference taken the shape of someone dead yet

[tall echo]

Wally is posessing the original

[tranquil mica]

times from the past

it's strange, dev don't block the little way , hidden when received the glyph on act with a distributor

in hex hall

[tall echo]

What

[tranquil mica]

looks like blue egg with eyes, smiling

the way for go isn''t block

[tall echo]

Drippy

The "what" was more meaning "what are you talking about"

No reason to block off the place though

[tranquil mica]

the glyph

[tall echo]

Yeah big language barrier moment

[tranquil mica]

yep sorry drippy 1999

[north jolt]

I don't know what's going on I'm just vibing

[humble sierra]

Unlikely because of her big arm, would make an awkward looking Warframe because they'd either have to painstakingly reanimate it to fit (for example, using Kullervo's noble animation on it where the hand is on it's chest) or just leave the animations broken

[chilly niche]

so plague star aint coming

[swift steppe]

ITS JUST A GAME THEORY

[woven coyote]

Please don't summon the theorist

[acoustic coyote]

Didn’t he retire and appear in the political form?

[woven coyote]

No idea

[acoustic coyote]

Fair

[keen timber]

"um... there was a really whingey voice coming from your room- you might want to check that out

[keen timber]

please do- i miss him

[tall echo]

Huh

[jade echo]

Man, DE really missed the theatrics naming Citrine's new skin anything but 'Harmonia' feels like a missed mythological masterpiece. I mean, come on, Harmonia’s literally the daughter of Ares and Aphrodite, just like how Citrine draws on her relationship of Belric and Rana:. And to top it off? The gods in Greek myth gave Harmonia a necklace and what are necklaces decked out with? Gemstones. It practically writes itself!

[thorn bluff]

can someone explain lorewise how that woman managed to get in duviri and how the murmur came along too

[graceful swan]

Because it’s Wally

[thorn bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/welp-gif-16717512643988113508

im confused

[graceful swan]

Wally possessed Rusalka

[silk atlas]

This was in The Hex (quest)

[ashen pulsar]

yep. when wally goes "XATA FASS XATA" and disappears

[misty roost]

Rusalka was possessed before he does that. she calls us kiddo while we're chasing down albrecht

[thorn bluff]

oh just realised you called "the man in the wall" wally

[ashen pulsar]

no thats when they left

[graceful swan]

Typing out Man in the Wall all the time is a hassle

[thorn bluff]

isnt it partial possession tho

[ashen pulsar]

I know that rusalka was possessed before that, there was a whole scene with her turning into wallace and gromit loid

albrecht I mean

mb

[ashen pulsar]

ehhhhh

[silk atlas]

What's the difference matter?

[thorn bluff]

in the new event she still makes remarks when she was with scaldra

so i thought it wasnt a total possession

[graceful swan]

You also hear Rusalka saying Kiddo all the time which is a saying Wally uses to us

[ashen pulsar]

yeah but in reality its just wally there

[thorn bluff]

true

[ashen pulsar]

rusalka doesnt gaf about duviri

wally has access to her memories, so they've kind of blended together

[thorn bluff]

what is wally doing there and what is his plan involving rusalka

[thorn bluff]

that explains it then

[graceful swan]

Rusalka doesn't even know about it being an actual place the book hasn't been written yet

[ashen pulsar]

true

[silk atlas]

The only reason he took Rusulka was because she was mentally unstable and therefore an easy way to breach into 1999. Nothing really special about her specifically.

[ashen pulsar]

an eye for an eye, a home for a "home" i would guess

[thorn bluff]

explain

[ashen pulsar]

kicked wallace out of 1999

[thorn bluff]

i only know wally during the war quest

[ashen pulsar]

where would he go now

[thorn bluff]

after the whole fight ended

[ashen pulsar]

wait you havent done the hex?

[thorn bluff]

i have

[ashen pulsar]

right so thats all wally as well.

[thorn bluff]

he possess albrecht too right?

[ashen pulsar]

I dont think so

not that i remember

at the end of whispers, thats just him

[graceful swan]

He did possess Albrecht but the loop looped

[ashen pulsar]

O

[graceful swan]

1999 segment

Don't forget “you are late”

[thorn bluff]

sinced it looped is albrecth still possessed or not?

[graceful swan]

Nope

[thorn bluff]

so why havent we seen him since the loop?

apart from his kavat that is part of the bounty missions

[lean garden]

I mean, after the Hex where we were literally next to him in the end, he managed to escape

[silk atlas]

The whole point of The Hex was to get the reactor to explode so he could escape

[thorn bluff]

to where tho?

[silk atlas]

We have no idea

[thorn bluff]

i thought he went to 1999 to escape wally's reach or to stop wally from focusing on loid

[silk atlas]

Yeah and that failed so he needed the "nuke"

[thorn bluff]

ohh

forgot about that

so he escaped without his kavat

[graceful swan]

Yes

[thorn bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-hell-nah-no-no-thank-you-gif-5556407309512400852

[dire mountain]

Considering the ||email||. ||it might not be total possession. More akin to pazuul and erra.||

[thorn bluff]

whats that?

and how did u get it?

[graceful swan]

Get all the new fragments

[restive river]

I mean
||She does speak during some parts, like why/when she let Wally in||

[grand cargo]

Tried clipping through Dominus Thrax's model in the Backroom, confirmed some things I'd been thinking about him

||He is a person wearing a suit by all indications, you can see skin on the calves and peeking at the neck, apart from the obvious human looking hand. There's also a mark on his neck that looks extremely similar to operator scars.||

||Clipping through the model shows there's an actual human head (heavily scarred) under the helmet, but without a face. I think the lack of a face indicates DE hasn't modelled it yet, rather than a deliberate choice. You can see the back of the mask with the eye holes pretty clearly though.||

All of this seems to match up with the concept art I've seen floating around that's from the official artbook apparently.

[restive river]

||He does have a face, it’s just hard to see ||

[grand cargo]

Oh dang, you can? Do you happen to have a screenshot by any chance?

[grand cargo]

Artwork I mentioned

[restive river]

||None of this changes his origin btw||

[grand cargo]

In what sense

[restive river]

Lore-wise?
He’s still a conceptually embodied person, the King from the storybook

[normal mountain]

...
||why does he have giant suture marks along his jawbone, DE?||

[restive river]

I mean Thrax’s original origin during development was different
Cause
Duviri was on Jupiter iirc lol

[grand cargo]

I'm inclined to disagree

[raw sigil]

guys i have a dumb theory lol

prime warframes are just a version of kyogre and groudon's primal reversions

[restive river]

How? We have literally seen him be conceptually embodied

Thrax is not human

[normal mountain]

Funny thought, but that's not the case

[grand cargo]

I must've missed it damn

[raw sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-reaction-meme-funny-begging-crying-gif-11151243012681431164

[thorn bluff]

i just thought they were at their best possible capability?

[restive river]

It happens in the Duviri paradox when they reveal drifter made Duviri

[raw sigil]

i dont actually know the lore behind prime warframes

[restive river]

Thrax is just straight up a ce of the king from the story

Why he looks like that?
Cause Euleria made him that way

It would help if we knew more about the story tbh

[grand cargo]

Could you reference the exact cutscene or line? I'd love to check that out

[restive river]

Perhaps in the story Thrax was a human

[normal mountain]

They're just better versions
Some Primes are the original versions, and the base are poor imitations
Other Primes are just improved versions of preexisting frames

[grand cargo]

The scars are the thing that makes me wanna believe he might be a ||Zariman survivor||

[raw sigil]

so you're saying, if i get a base warframe then get the prime after, its a kyogre primal reversion

[normal mountain]

That's not the case
The Wall Man had everyone on the Zariman saved except the Drifter specifically

[normal mountain]

Eh, no
It would be closer to your standard evolution

[raw sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/magikarp-pokémon-magikarp-pokémon-evolution-gyaradoes-pokémon-gyaradoes-gif-26228899

[grand cargo]

I haven't seen anything that would indicate no one else could've made a separate deal with him

[restive river]

That’s his arm

54:06 https://youtu.be/-b7pCZLDn3E?si=UM4PnOUug-qKDZaO

[normal mountain]

You want a temporary power up like Primal Reversion (or Mega Evolution), Incarnon would be the closest we have for that

[raw sigil]

good point

[restive river]

He isn’t

[grand cargo]

Oh damn you're right

[normal mountain]

True
Inversely, there's nothing to suggest that anyone did make a separate deal with him

[restive river]

At most I can see that in the story he was someone who got stranded in the void and that’s what the story is about

[grand cargo]

Yeah that sounds more plausible

[restive river]

Considering it was made for the kids who were going on a big void jump?
Yeah makes sense

[raw sigil]

quick question, what was the name of the guy that we had to stop early into the story, it was like a tenno corrupted by the void?

[restive river]

Not a tenno
You’re thinking of Vor

[raw sigil]

no not Vor

[normal mountain]

unless they're thinking of Rell

[raw sigil]

we have to grab light beacons to deal damage to him

[restive river]

We didn’t stop Rell we helped him lol

[raw sigil]

right, rell

||wasnt rell holding back the wall man||

[restive river]

Rell was holding back Wally

[raw sigil]

wally? more like

https://tenor.com/view/wally-west-gif-27355484

[young jetty]

😭

[thorn bluff]

who is rell again?

[normal mountain]

Chains of Harrow

[restive river]

bruh 😭

[raw sigil]

no, no, its valid. rell is forgettable

[thorn bluff]

ohh i remember now

[thorn bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-eyes-crying-face-gif-22671690

i play that quest last year so i forgot

[restive river]

Gotta replay it

Or do what I’ve done and get a friend into the game and watch them play it

[thorn bluff]

oh i remember the events already

i just want to know what lead to it

[ashen pulsar]

Found that tablet today lol

At the amphitheater

[tall echo]

No he's not??

[runic bronze]

dissapointed with what Isleweaver gave me ngl

so ig this isnt really a spoiler but unmmmmm :
is it just me or was i supposed to be expecting this to be atleast a mini story update
like not even a cutscene to spare for isleweaver?
am i really going to have to just listen to Rusalka's recycled lines untill i theorycraft my own lore?
btw who the hell is the scholar no he didnt tell me what im supposed to do i just went in on my own

[dire mountain]

Do you not have the fragments for the lost islands of duviri

Or the new ones

[tall echo]

Painful

No effort

[normal mountain]

Also, we know who the Scholar is

[dire mountain]

Yeah we've known since 2023

Did you not question the architecture in scholar's landing?

[runic bronze]

yeah but he never told me anything about what to do with Rusalka

[fallen fog]

I'm curious, I could totally just scroll up and look to see if people have talked about it. At the end of the new duviri mission while fighting that fragmented, the scaldra lady has lines that seem to imply it used to be a warframe?

[dire mountain]

It used to look more human. I wouldn't think warframe. MAYBE used to be a tenno.

[runic bronze]

you mean the big screw you void centipede? that thing? ew.

i do not wanna see that process

[dire mountain]

Yeah but the Scholar is Albrecht

[runic bronze]

ok but when did Albrecht tell me how to uproot Rusalka out of duviri

[dire mountain]

Because, who else knows about the murmur? The cavia? Loid? Necraloid? It sure wasnt them

[fallen fog]

Right, and there's a lot of hand iconography. The deal the Tenno took aboard the Zariman, Drifter mentions it while texting with Arthur, must have been what led to them being all voidy

[dire mountain]

Probably a long time ago, when he was in Duviri

Drifter forgor

[runic bronze]

that's awfully convenient.

[tall echo]

You are. Already slightly infuriating.

[runic bronze]

You are. Also slightly infuriating.

[dire mountain]

Also it isnt exactly uprooting rusalka it's the Indifference as a whole from duviri

[fallen fog]

A part of me does wonder if some of them could have been made into the fragmented. Or some of the adults. They could have just been normal people but yeah that makes more sense, she's talking to The Drifter with those lines

[dire mountain]

Considring Temporal Dust:

The dust of decayed universes, rich in entropy. Entrati’s research postulates it as the animating agent of the nightmarish Murmur.

[runic bronze]

yeesh

sounds nasty

[static seal]

I think its interesting that Wally hates element mixing

[runic bronze]

Wally has trauma from base 5th grade chemistry confirmed

[static seal]

There's just so many fun little implications in this update

It almost feels like wally is playing with us rsther than actively trying to stop us

Or at least trying to get us to submit

[dire mountain]

Wait actually this makes sense

Decay is the whole MO

Combining to make something new kinda goes against that

[runic bronze]

ig if you cant get the child soldier because of their mega mom, you go after the adult with baggage instead

[runic bronze]

what does MO stand for

[dire mountain]

Modus operandi

[mossy zodiac]

oh he has actual eyes

[runic bronze]

ohhhh

[runic bronze]

why am i looking at the insides of bratx

[mossy zodiac]

you are curious

[runic bronze]

*cue weird route chime

[winter berry]

Are you on tumblr at all? Turns out he’s got a whole face under there that looks like a corpse

[mossy zodiac]

i don't use tumblr

never did

[glossy quarry]

If I were to follow the story in order, which one comes first? Angels of Zariman or Jade Shadows?

[mossy zodiac]

i didn't know tumblr existed until you mentioned it

[glossy quarry]

Lucky you

[mossy zodiac]

i would love to speculate but some people might get mad at me

for taking a guess

so i'll leave it to whoever deep dives in reading warframe lore

but it would be very cool if it like came before angels of zariman

if i'm not wrong the woman archmedian that exchanges feathers makes a mention of it

anwyays bye

[humble sierra]

Angels came out first, so likely that

Right now neither quest has a 'direct sequel'

But Zariman resources are required for a fair bit of the post-New War content

[glossy quarry]

Ah ok. I’m also interested in the shotgun and pistol incarnons it has. How hard are those to get?

I’m still trying to figure out what I want my final loadout to be too

I love shotguns. Rn I’m running Kuva Nukor and Cedo Prime but going all status isn’t great for boss fights from what I’ve seen?

[humble sierra]

So they're not too tough to get, just levelling through the Zariman syndicate and collecting medallions around the map would be good, but they do require you to be MR14 to purchase the Blueprints

[glossy quarry]

I’m nearing 16

[humble sierra]

Easy enough then

[glossy quarry]

I got to MR 15 before I did New War 💀

All cause I wanted Cedo Prime first

[humble sierra]

Laetum is among the secondaries in the game, very low effort build for massive damage

[glossy quarry]

I heard there’s a crit loadout and a flat damage loadout. Apparently the flat damage one is harder to do without a - crit chance riven

True or false?

[humble sierra]

Pfft no clue, like I said, very low effort for massive damage

[glossy quarry]

Also which one’s better? Crit or flat damage?

Ah ok

[humble sierra]

All I did was auto install then swap out the basic mods for galvanized ones, gets me through Steel Path a-okay

[glossy quarry]

Felarx still good too?

[humble sierra]

Haven't used the Ferlarx myself

[glossy quarry]

Hm. Rn I’m using self priming Cedo Prime and Kuva Nukor so eh

Cedo Prime’s kinda my go to for everything

And Nukor’s just… there.

I don’t use it often ngl

But yeah I need something for boss fights

[tall echo]

She has a name

[mossy zodiac]

cool

[tall echo]

Top tier shotgun, and infinite body punch through in incarnon form

Take the fire rate on reload evo for incarnon use

[glossy quarry]

What should I pair with it as my secondary? Rn I’m using the Nukor

For horde clear and sometimes priming

I have a primer companion though.

[tall echo]

Weapon swapping isn't recommended with the evo I suggested

[glossy quarry]

So eh

[glossy quarry]

Ah ok. So Felarx kinda just does anything I need it to?

[tall echo]

The fire rate buff gets yeeted if you swap off it

[silk atlas]

Felarx like having the reload holster evo tho

[tall echo]

Pretty much

[silk atlas]

Why are we in lore by the by

[tall echo]

If you don't use the fun part of it, sure

[glossy quarry]

I just brought it up cause I gotta do Zariman and Jade Shadows

Mb

[silk atlas]

Touche I keep it Incarnoff

[glossy quarry]

What’s the fun part of it?

[tall echo]

The incarnon form

[glossy quarry]

What does it do I mean

[tall echo]

.

[glossy quarry]

Oh massive punch through

[tall echo]

It's kinda just "screw everything in that general direction"

[glossy quarry]

So like my Cedo

Or my Nukor

Does it still do big damage to single targets as well?

[tall echo]

Massive projectiles, doesn't get stopped by bodies

[tall echo]

If it can kill a crowd it can obliterate a straggler

[glossy quarry]

I’m more so referring to bosses. Since those have short damage phases

Where you need to dump as much damage as possible

[tall echo]

Does well enough

[glossy quarry]

Is the incarnoff better for that?

[tall echo]

Noncarnon felarx was meta for archons for a while

They're about equal

[glossy quarry]

So basically hordes = Incarnon. Bosses = Incarnoff

Or something

[tall echo]

Both=both

[glossy quarry]

Okay fair.

I might go with the incarnoff build or make two builds.

Cause I do like using my secondary

So I think I’d go holster reload

[tall echo]

Noncarnon tends to struggle with ammo against bosses that lock you in

[glossy quarry]

Wdym by the lock you in thing?

Like drawn out fights?

[tall echo]

Get you stuck in a room

[glossy quarry]

Why does it struggle?

Sorry I never used it so

[tall echo]

80 ammo cap without mods

Or 60 I forgor

It burns through ammo fast

[glossy quarry]

Oof. Yeah that sucks. How does Incarnon make that better though?

[tall echo]

It doesn't use ammo

[glossy quarry]

Huh. Thats convenient.

[tall echo]

All incarnons are like that

[glossy quarry]

So basically with Felarx incarnon builds I CANT swap weapons cause it’ll screw something up? Or? Thats the part that confuses me.

[tall echo]

You'll just fire much slower

[glossy quarry]

So basically just don’t swap unless I NEED to

[tall echo]

Consider getting a lex prime for future incarnon adapting btw

[glossy quarry]

For something

[tall echo]

Yes

[glossy quarry]

I have a lex prime. Just haven’t forma’d it

[tall echo]

Lex prime can get really funny with its incarnon

Mine has 220% crit chance

[glossy quarry]

How so? Is it ALSO a big damage dealer or

We should probably go into #builds-discussion or DMs tho

[tall echo]

It's like felarx incarnon turned up to 11 but much slower and shorter range

Not a big loss

[tall echo]

I don't exist outside lore channels

[ashen pulsar]

He’s been bound to the lore

[tall echo]

Yeah this is my area of the weave

The other cephalons don't let me leave

[ashen pulsar]

Bars

[glossy quarry]

I like Shotguns so.

They just feel so right lol

Perfect amount of kick to em

[tall echo]

Lexcarnon has that feel

[static seal]

Warframe is one of the few games that does shotguns right

[ashen pulsar]

…what?

If you just mean having buckshot then that isn’t rare

[humble sierra]

A bit of clarity on Thrax's origin!

So he's a character in the book, but the action figure was Drifter playing pretend

What does this mean...?

[stiff fable]

lmao

"Make love not war"

[past halo]

I wonder what other lost islands DE will bring back. Hopefully Academe

[neat knoll]

any idea about this?

[restive river]

“Bend the knee” iirc

Interact with it

Though it may be broken
Last time I did it I couldn’t move

Also don’t do it as your frame
Do it as your tenno

[restive river]

Hopefully Lorn!

[neat knoll]

might be bugged

[restive river]

Idk if they fixed it in the last hotfix or not

[past halo]

What island is that lmao-

[restive river]

The Island of Lorn

When Duviri came into being there were many islands whose contents were – to put it bluntly – horrific. The Execution Cyst, the Golden Hive, the Inversion Tree, Stitcher's Gulch, and the Bountiful Swamp were all notorious, but each met a natural end, engulfed by the Void. Lorn was exiled deliberately.

The Island of Lorn was a desolate, bleak outcrop where ghosts would scream accusations against anyone who came close enough to hear. Shunned by all, it was ultimately severed from Duviri and set adrift in the Void, where it can still occasionally be heard screaming to this day.

Islands are usually unmoored or otherwise destroyed by command of the King. Here, though, it was the local citizenry who rose up and cast the offending island out, smashing the bridges with their tools and dragging it away using ropes and flying Kaithes.

Lorn was notable for its curious shrines, many of which were dismantled and their component stones taken from the island by royal order. One comes across them occasionally, and it is possible – though not advisable – to reassemble them. To do so risks a local outbreak of ghosts, an offence punishable by death should the Dax catch you at it.

[past halo]

Ohhhh

[restive river]

Lorn is one of my top picks for islands to come back
Now that we got scholar’s landing

[rotund current]

"A father" "A lover" "A friend" I really like this line from the indifference. Her constant use of kiddo means she clearly associates with the operator more. Saying father first plays into this, calling to them first. She knows the operator has a mother figure already. When that doesn't work she calls on the drifter who she knows seeks connections. When her call to neither work she says "A friend" trying to compromise with both of them on something she knows they both want

[past halo]

That would be kinda terrifying yet fascinating

[sly pagoda]

interesting thing is when in your warframe everything is in color, when in your drifter its monochrome around Dominus, similar to how the Duviri Door has always been.

[sly pagoda]

Is Scholar's Landing only visible in the Isleweaver mission or is it in regular duviri too just without the murmur?

[restive river]

Wally says Kiddo cause he just uses childhood nicknames
He did it with Albrecht too “little bengal”

It’s less associating them with Operator and more him being creepy and digging in our heads

[rotund current]

Hmm...just generally I feel like wally cares about the operator more then the drifter idk

[restive river]

Maybe yeah but
Him using kiddo isn’t evidence of that

[rotund current]

The Lotus didn't sent the operator, the more experienced of the two back to 1999 where she knew wally was

[restive river]

Wally was also on the origin system
Drifter was likely sent due to their experience with time loops and one dev reason is Operator dating the Hex is icky

[rotund current]

Besides the out of lore reason lol

[restive river]

Experience with time loops

Keeping the operator maybe safer-ish

[rotund current]

Also wally doesn't show up in your ship when you are using drifter

Atleast they haven't for me

[humble sierra]

Yeah, he uses "Kiddo" because that's what the Operator (and Drifter's) childhood nickname was from their father

[restive river]

Yes I’m aware
It’s unknown why that’s the case other than the devs just didn’t make it lol

[daring crow]

Is this upd canon?

Like next main story has wally in duviri

[blissful merlin]

Isleweaver is canon yes

[restive river]

All updates are canon?

[restive river]

He’s taking duviri cause we took 1999

[static seal]

Thanks to eternalism, everything is canon.

[restive river]

No

Eternalism doesn’t mean anything can happen

It’s what is what is possible
And ofc the main issue with eternalism is accessing it.

It was introduced to explain the Drifter’s relationship with the Operator during the new war and hasn’t been used to just make anything happen
At most one of the only other moments of it being used is maybe Rev Prime

[static seal]

I was just trying to make a funny sorry

[restive river]

Oh
Sorry

People used it to explain away everything in the past, got memed hard
My apologies

[static seal]

All good

[brittle siren]

So what is Oraxia lore? Is she just Albrecht frame?

[restive river]

Unknown who made her, probably Albrecht
She guarded him at Scholar’s Landing and stayed there even after he left
Wally impersonated Albrecht and turned her against her, apparently Albrecht’s plan was for her to help us and in a roundabout way she does as we defeat her and remake her

If I had to guess
She’s a gen 1 frame like Kullervo

[somber haven]

Why is the man in the wall so salty about alchemy

[dire mountain]

Oh I can answer this one

The whole MO of the Indifference is decay. The temporal dust is decayed universes. Alchemy, combining things to make something new is the opposite of decaying it

[proper barn]

Also it's the joy of creation and creation of things is going just against him.

A child making a drawing they like would anger Wally.

[humble sierra]

What's the Lore reason for me having a dream about finding a boxy SUV somewhere in Isleweaver that has the interaction "You are sure not in a strange place?" and pressing X opens up a menu where Fibonacci is possessed by the Man in the Wall, wearing Rusalka's hat, talking about Archimedia (which only costs one charge)

[lean garden]

"Delulu"

[proper barn]

Hey I don't fib would be caught by Wally.

Like even if what he did Killed Min he did stop the rest of the cavia from dying like every other cavia.

So i think he's smarter than the average person cuz instead of being a puppet or being killed he actually does something to get away.

It's the only thing he has in common with Albretch.

[humble sierra]

Is that the void tongue word for "completely rational thought and in fact a 100% accurate look at the future, you have gotten that gameplay beamed into you straight from DE"?

[sly pagoda]

I am not sure but I would ask more on how was Fib driving a Canyonero

[cloud agate]

Can I throw out a fun theory I have of what we’re to expect after isleweaver? It does involve isleweaver spoilers

[dire mountain]

Sure

[cloud agate]

I imagine that we’ll get another proto but this time it’s Rusalka as a gas focused frame. I think it’d be cool and I can personally imagine it happening as a sort of end of this part of Wally’s plans

[proper barn]

i think the next update about the story we might save ruskla

[feral cape]

👎 👎 👎 👎

[static seal]

👍

It was meant as a joke at the time tbh

Since the "eternalism means everything is canon thing" became a big meme for awhile.

[stiff fable]

Not possible. Void things like the Tenno can't be Infested, and Rusalka is VERY Void now.

[cloud agate]

It’d still be cool

Plus there’s Xaku

[stiff fable]

Xaku was already a Warframe.

Several, in fact. Just got broken and kitbashed into one.

[cloud agate]

But the thought is still there

I just like Rusalka and would think it’d be cool if she became a gas based frame/proto

[stiff fable]

The whole reason Minerva exists was so people would stop asking for it. 😛

[cloud agate]

I just like the gas status effect lol

It and blast are my favorites

[stiff fable]

she's the first of the Murmur NPCs

we'll probably see more in the future

though, admittedly, this is less Rusalka and more Wally roleplaying as her

[cloud agate]

Even still, I think there’s some semblance of her sticking around lol

(Also, it’s already confirmed she was infected with Techrot iirc)

[stiff fable]

The techrot can't produce Warframes

That's the whole reason the Legacytes exist, it's infecting gorillas and trying to get to a Warframe-like thing from there

[cloud agate]

Even still, it’d be cool imo lol

[static seal]

The techrot is just proto infestation. All the proto frames say they were infected with techrot and spread techrot.

Its why Lettie hates albrecht so much. He turned them and other civilians into silent carriers for it.

[stiff fable]

Yes, but they're not protoframes because they were infested with techrot, they're protoframes because they were given the Helminth strain

The Helminth strain is the ONLY variant that produces Warframes

[cloud agate]

I just think protoframe Rusalka as a gas/effvron based frame would be pretty rad lol

[stiff fable]

There probably will be a gas frame, but it probably won't be effervon based

That's stone age technology for the Orokin

[daring crow]

But wasn't the spiral keeping him out?

[stiff fable]

The Spiral is just how Duviri works

[restive river]

No

Thrax kept booting him whenever he was sighted

[stiff fable]

Duviri itself was keeping Wally out, because of Da Rulez

[daring crow]

But now it just doesnt?

[stiff fable]

No, he's cheating

[daring crow]

Report him fr

[stiff fable]

He's creating his OWN Duviri, with the Murmur and blow

[swift sentinel]

Wally tells us, through Rusalka, that she was dying. It is possible, that if we save her, we'd need to protoframe her to save her.

[daring crow]

So hes using her a like a avatar?

[stiff fable]

And once it's built up just right he's going to slam it on top of the Drifter's Duviri and make it so that the only Duviri that ever existed was his

[daring crow]

Wrong reply 😦

[stiff fable]

that is correct though

[daring crow]

So (Wally duviri)
(Duviri)

[stiff fable]

Wally's using her pretty similarly to how we use Warframes

[daring crow]

Then they slam down

[stiff fable]

....down to the part where there isn't much left of her

[lean garden]

Man, imagine having a whole system where theres incredibly advanced bio-med tech, and all we do is just stick her with icky bicky juice

[daring crow]

Could the next main quest be related to this duviri

[stiff fable]

Yes but it's probably not

[daring crow]

So Thrax resets not only reset us but also wally

[stiff fable]

Not really

Whenever Wally shows up, it's usually in the form of some horrific natural disaster

Like "raining blood from the sky" or "giant super void tidal wave"

and thrax just booted the effected islands into the void

[daring crow]

So he can cause disturbances but he can't enter duviri

[stiff fable]

he actually DID infiltrate normal Duviri though

[daring crow]

how?

[stiff fable]

There's a character called the Vagabond

Shows up in specific places in normal Duviri, depending on the Spiral

[daring crow]

As a enemy?

[stiff fable]

Just a background NPC

But if you get close it does the Wally laugh and disappears

[lean garden]

I mean theres also the smiling children, which are not distinct from the clones he makes of us

[daring crow]

So he just has a limit to how far he can affect duviri before thrax shows him whos king

?

[lean garden]

before thrax panics and hit the "get out" button

[stiff fable]

Yeah that's accurate

[daring crow]

hes the weirdest kid ever

no joke thought he was pregnant this upd

But hey thanks for the info

[stiff fable]

Like, the reason you can't use a Warframe in normal Duviri is that Thrax would reset the spiral automatically

so you're building up a "charge" that lets you break that rule for a few seconds

[swift sentinel]

Thrax clearly went through a rewrite at some point. There's concept art of him without the armour, scarred and with a breathing tube in his nose. He still has that model underneath the mask as well.

[stiff fable]

oh, the original plan for Duviri was that it was a rich Corpus guy's bubble on Jupiter

And Thrax was so old and crazy he hired actors to dress up in old-timey clothing and hang out while guests would fight "monsters" and "dragons"

They moved off of that pretty quick, but that's why Duviri's sky is so cloudy and odd, because originally the sky was going to be the interior of Jupiter's gas envelope

[swift sentinel]

Must have modelled him pretty early on then, if that's still there.

[stiff fable]

There's that and I also think they weren't sure what Thrax was going to be exactly until late-ish in Duviri's development

There's a trailer from a few weeks/months before Duviri's launch that implies that Thrax is preparing an invasion of the Origin System

[strange turtle]

He actually mentions this as one of his Dormizone lines

[strange turtle]

Don Thraxote

[hybrid silo]

Comparing to other fiction/games how strong is The man in the wall?

[lean garden]

depends on what other fiction we talking about

powerscaling is a fools game

[humble sierra]

As of right now he has limitless potential

[pulsar pendant]

A Demi God

Or God idk

Isn't he like the Void? And also not?

[north jolt]

He's a entity that lives within and to some extent controls the void

[graceful swan]

Literally limited by the strands of khra

[hexed oxide]

what does this mean ?

[pulsar pendant]

And since they're 2, 1 Albrecht clone and Operator clone, that means they're 1 entity or 2?

[north jolt]

1 entity that has multiple aspects to themselves

[pulsar pendant]

Scaldra and Techrot? Idk

Oh ways

No idea

[humble sierra]

There's literally no pre-requisite to it, at first I thought it was triggering because you got Veliminerva together again and he's talking about them banging

[south marlin]

was there ever an explanation on who controlled our warframe during the second dream quest after being impaled by the War?

[humble sierra]

The Warframe

[pulsar pendant]

Wasn't that the Operator?

[humble sierra]

Could be, but they make a point of how the Operator is kicked out of it and thus can't control it

Hunhow might be thinking the Warframes are just empty husks without the Operator but then it was still sentient enough to save you

[hexed oxide]

how ? the kimulacrum im seeing goes only up to r6c1

[humble sierra]

Weird, I'm on browse.wf and it goes all the way

[tall echo]

Warframes are still made from biological material, even our human-free copies. They reasonably could, in an emergency, act on their own

[hexed oxide]

can you dm me the link ?

[pulsar pendant]

That's so cool

[humble sierra]

(New KIM spoilers) 👀 will we finally get an answer

This is the only chat with her that refers to this, and no new booleans

[stray herald]

Oh my god they finally touched on voidtongue

And oull is solved

[tall echo]

Oh dam true

[pulsar pendant]

What does Oull mean even? Like Xata is truth

Iirc

[tall echo]

Read image above

[pulsar pendant]

Ohhh

[pulsar pendant]

Isn't that what Helminth/Infestation calls us?

[tall echo]

Helminth calls us void demon

[pulsar pendant]

Yea kind of the same thing

[tall echo]

Ballas calls us devils

[pulsar pendant]

And Hell is Void

[graceful swan]

Ballas also doesn't know about the devil

[pulsar pendant]

What devil?

[humble sierra]

Helminth calls us "demon" because the Infestation is afraid of the Void, Ballas calls us "devil" because he hates kids

[pulsar pendant]

He hates us

Not kids, or kids fr?

[humble sierra]

He hates us because Margulis loved us more

[pulsar pendant]

Ye

[humble sierra]

I'm still firmly believing that it means "Void Child", since allies also call us 'Mara' (Lotus Eaters OST and also internal developer name for the Operator) and Mara Lohk (the Cavia)

[pulsar pendant]

He could be our father, instead we have Baro

[humble sierra]

There's even the possiblity MITW calls us that out of endearment, It has lines in Isleweaver that try luring us to It's side

[stray herald]

Ballas: ‘void devilry’

[deep heart]

Is aeolak a distorted gotva prime?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[deep heart]

that's so sick

[drowsy saddle]

sooo ayatans also have blueprints

[graceful swan]

Yeah you can learn more about this by speaking to Varzia

[tall echo]

Nobody talks to varzia anymore

[graceful swan]

Orokin gave up on books

[hushed talon]

To think there are still more frames lost to the void or some other space magic we dont know about.

[graceful swan]

We learn about them the more we collect

[tall echo]

Some are probably just genuinely only lost due to not being added yet

[graceful swan]

Maroo loves destroying the Orokin history piece by piece

Don't blame her though tbh

[ashen pulsar]

Maybe some history deserves to be lost

The best possible ending to the orokin empire is for it to be forgotten

[tall echo]

Not entirely

Forget mistakes of history and they will be repeated

[ashen pulsar]

Hmmm

That being said, they’re already trying to repeat it

[hushed talon]

Some orokin technology may be useful, if anything they may have the answers to our questions later down the line.

[ashen pulsar]

The grineer and corpus

[strange turtle]

Both born from the Orokin Empire itself

[ashen pulsar]

Exactly

[strange turtle]

One literally being led by one of them

[tall echo]

The only ones actively trying to take control again are led by an orokin

[ashen pulsar]

Both are, kinda

[tall echo]

The corpus aren't trying to take full control but letting them expand would still be bad

[strange turtle]

The rest of the groups in the system on the other hand, are doing quite well so far

[ashen pulsar]

Wait, never mind ignore that

[tall echo]

No

[ashen pulsar]

Granum isn’t in control

[tall echo]

Granum isn't an orokin

[graceful swan]

Weren't the Queens like the most disliked Orokin by the Orokin

[ashen pulsar]

Wasn’t he?

[strange turtle]

Well, aside from like 2 minor groups but they’re barely relevant nowadays anyway

[tall echo]

But he is in control of a corpus faction

[tall echo]

He was a peasant that rose up to rival them

[ashen pulsar]

Ah I forgot

[woven coyote]

Yeah
Twins>look like clones>outcasts

[tall echo]

Parvos could've been a good guy if he just didn't reinvent modern capitalism

[hushed talon]

He had gotten something he didnt have in his youth; wealth.

I guess morals went out the window for him when he got his first fat credit check.

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah… got a lil greedy

Come to think of it, there are some warframe players who could probably buy multiple corpus factions

[spice jewel]

i bet some of us can purchase project zanuka

[hushed talon]

Everything comes at a price in the warfame universe.

[spice jewel]

like our sanity in farming tasoma-

[ashen pulsar]

Can’t buy that if there is none

[hushed talon]

I saw that Oraxia had that material for one of her parts and it gave me genuine ptsd

[tall echo]

Idk what the issue with tasoma is I built her and still got 43 left

[spice jewel]

i'm guessing not many ppl played duviri and got bored in farming

[tall echo]

Tbf I have 200+ of every other resource but still

[spice jewel]

bro those were like the same images i just saw a moment ago in a different chat

[hushed talon]

Yeah people spam post the same images

[tall echo]

Yeah the scam bots are going crazy

[ashen pulsar]

For some reason I only get two spawns per cave

[tall echo]

There are plenty caves in duviri

[ashen pulsar]

And, as much as I like duviri, warframes make farming much more fun

[graceful swan]

Both servers have been having a massive scam account problem just the other day a mod on community server mass-banned 26 accounts

[ashen pulsar]

Lots of servers are struggling with it

[graceful swan]

Yeah probably a Discord-wide problem

[hushed talon]

Its discord, people always try and promote some weird scam now a days

[graceful swan]

Community server luckily has better Automod than this server so the messages get flagged before being actually posted

[south trout]

Its not only discord its every social platform

[tranquil mica]

miss two fragments of spider

[restive river]

What’d you subsume for this 👀
I’m assuming her 3 or 4

[vale wind]

Nah those are actually really nice abilities especially her 4, if you don’t like her summons then I guess that, but I like it over her 1, as nice as an insta-kill is, counterpoint- GUN , depends on preference

[quartz bison]

how come that one has its mouth closed

[hushed talon]

Hes angy

[quartz bison]

angry?

the others aren't?

[restive river]

I like her 1 cause ig it also utilizes equipped parazon mods

[tall echo]

It does?

Oh is that why my weapons were randomly instantly reloaded

[vale wind]

I mean..eh? It’s neat, just depends on build style, I like summoning a bunch of children and buffing their damage with stuff like Nourish or volt+Augament for +144% elec damage before I can add shards

[restive river]

Yeah ig on the back end it’s a parazon finisher

[thorn bluff]

can u explain to me what that dimension is?

[quartz bison]

duviri

[thorn bluff]

no not duviri

i mean the dimension of the gaint men on the wall

it looks like an ancient place

especially when u go to the sanctum

[quartz bison]

not reality

[ashen pulsar]

The void

[prime cove]

If your Warframe:

• Has spider motifs.
• Crawls around.
• Lives alone in an abandoned crypt.
• Is completely insane.
• Loyally serves a master who is no longer there.
• And receives voices in its head that it believes is it's former Master commanding it to kill.
  That's not your Warframe,
  That's Voldo from Soul Calibur!

[burnt elk]

This is slander.

[prime cove]

It's pretty much the truth! The voices in Voldo and Oraxia's heads that they think are their masters are also both malignant forces of pure evil! (The spirit of Soul Edge for Voldo, and Rusalka/Wally for Oraxia)

All we need now is confirmation that Oraxia- or at least the original that we fight- is indeed blind, and the comparison will be uncanny!

[vale wind]

My brain got wires crossed and now all I’m thinking about is Soul Reaver

[ashen pulsar]

I mean most warframes are blind in a way

No eyes, probably just sensors

[silk atlas]

Neuroptics moment

[vale wind]

Are we forgetting the Excalibur scene?

[tall echo]

?

[ashen pulsar]

Yes

What Excalibur scene are we talking about?

[vale wind]

The literal first cutscene with Excalibur Umbra, he has eyes, he his pupils move and lock onto us. Definitely can see, but covered by a Chitin plate I’m Guessing they can see out of

[tall echo]

Vestigial organs or whatever it's called

[restive river]

Was just about to say that too Scrap

[tall echo]

Present but without use

[restive river]

Warframes may have eyes but they don’t use them cause
They’re covered

They see via neuroptics

Also like
Xaku
Dagath
They clearly don’t need eyes :p

[sly pagoda]

Warframes likely allow an operator to see over a wide array of spectrum.

[ashen pulsar]

Warframes did have every organ… they were humans

[glacial bough]

The organs are either fully gone or purely vestigial

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah

[restive river]

Remember, the frames came before the use of operators

[sly pagoda]

While we do not see it in game. I suspect we have full visible light, IR, Thermal, normal light amplifier night vision.

[restive river]

Possibly yeah, through the neuroptics

[sly pagoda]

I would suspect a warframe is all weather all conditions. You cannot hide from them.

[restive river]

We see through the frame’s “eyes”

[dire mountain]

We also have a flashlight iirc