lore-discussion

[rotund tinsel]

I thought stalker's abilities was just the result of his pure hatred of the tenno

[manic rover]

sounds like a hell of a risky plan

[manic rover]

His body is that of an Excalibur

[rotund tinsel]

Fair enough

[manic rover]

His hatred was so immense it altered Excalibur's abilities

[rotund tinsel]

That's badass actually

[old basin]

Yeah but you said it reconstructs them

[manic rover]

Dagath loved her horse so much one of her abilities summons 5

[blissful merlin]

Wherever did it state he did this specifically in lore??? Or even in game besides his known abilities??

[rotund tinsel]

Imagine hating a group so much that you turn slash in dash to misty type of teleportation

[old basin]

Yes but you are giving me mixed messages here is the temple in the do it what used to be flare or a remade version of them

[manic rover]

It's just an idea. If Flare failed to live to the present BECAUSE SLEEPING ON A COMET IS VERY NOT SAFE, it's possible that the infestation reconstructed them (because it loves them so much as I said) so they can keep their promise to the Drifter that they will be there along with Octavia

[old basin]

Ok

I get it now

[manic rover]

Stalker's 1 is just a more angry slash dash

Hate is the Exalted Blade

[rotund tinsel]

Radial blind replacement is just "You can see,but can you see me?"

[old basin]

That’s true

[rotund tinsel]

I wonder how Umbra got radial howl then

[manic rover]

Voruna is also a case of the host manipulating the warframe's abilities but thats kinda an exception

[rotund tinsel]

Probably his grief of dead son

It's definitely the dead son grief

[old basin]

Oh absolutely

It says it in his quest

[manic rover]

the anti-sentient flavor is probably purely for gameplay reasons I assume

does Radial Howl have a different sound effect to Blind?

[rotund tinsel]

I remember seeing someone point out that Umbra is a electric progenitor and Umbra emits electricity with radial howl

[rotund tinsel]

Yep,it's Umbra howling with the original blind sound effect

Loid said that warframes were specifically designed to only scream,shout or howl and Umbra fits all 3

[manic rover]

Jade originally was supposed to be a warframe that utilized the Jade Light fire but no..

Pregframe.

Also im not sure Ballas designed all 60+ warframes himself
that would be a bit too much for someones who has repeatedly expressed he hates them

[old basin]

Yup

[rotund tinsel]

I need a Warframe that's essentially just yuta from jjk

[manic rover]

copies another warframe's abilities?

or that has a big ol' exalted familiar

[humble sierra]

At least Qorvex, Caliban, Revenant, and Xaku are Warframes that Ballas didn't have involvement in, at least not the final product

[rotund tinsel]

Like a Warframe who has the built in subsume ability

[manic rover]

Caliban.

Caliban is literally a successful warframe that Erra made (don't ask how)

[manic rover]

impractical

[rotund tinsel]

Explains why his 4th is the absolute best

[graceful swan]

Eh Revenant and Xaku doesn't mean Ballas wasn't involved at all with them

[manic rover]

I don't remember Rev's lore but Xaku was a bunch of warframes that were abandoned in the void

[humble sierra]

Let's just say the final product as we know them

[rotund tinsel]

Its passive should state that it can only copy abilities of the squad and if it's solo it Just random

[graceful swan]

Combined in the Void

[manic rover]

Again, VERY impractical.

[old basin]

How so I think it’ll be fun

[rotund tinsel]

Like gambling with koumei but you don't know if you'll gets. Buff ability or a damage one

[manic rover]

do you think a random ability on cast is useful and not intrusive in any way?
And if its all the subsumed abilities why dont I subsume the ability itself for the one i want

[graceful swan]

Revenant was made by jumping into a hole and staying for too long

[manic rover]

A random warframe the fell in a hole?

[proper barn]

Okay I have had this discussion to many times. I don't think they are but they are close.

[graceful swan]

Went in on purpose

[proper barn]

well

do you mean the what is he called before?

THE WARDEN

[manic rover]

Depends on how Albrecht took the temple strain. If it was from the original unnamed warframe, then its not a paradox BUT IF HE TOOK IT FROM TEMPLE ITSELF?

[proper barn]

The Warden turns into Rev.

[manic rover]

was the warden a warframe

[proper barn]

he couldn't have the comet wasn't in the system and once it was in the system again Albretch would have already left.

[proper barn]

yeah it was Rev before the sentient corruption.

it's why Rev prime walks out of the void.

[manic rover]

it could be that Rev Prime is the product of Warden Prime

[proper barn]

i mean the lore reason is he is actually enterlism

[manic rover]

Anyways, most primes are purely for gameplay reasons now

[proper barn]

and the void spit him out at ballas cuz it was funny.

they always where.

but we have fun Prime lore now like protea or Hlydrin or Khora.

[manic rover]

They have lore explanation but themselfs are not explained

[proper barn]

what?

those are mostly the originals.

[manic rover]

the concept of a Prime is explained, but not all Primes are explained

[proper barn]

what primes don't make sense?

i will give you 1 answer.

[manic rover]

Xaku

[old basin]

It’s 4am and I need a sprite I’ll be back

[proper barn]

name a second prime that doesn't make sense.

@manic rover

[manic rover]

Lavo

[graceful swan]

Lavos Primed himself

[proper barn]

No lavos has a explaintion.

he primed himself yeah.

[manic rover]

Dagath Prime, one day

Kullervo Prime, again one day

[graceful swan]

That is an explanation tbh even if it’s not the best

[rotund tinsel]

That's funny ngl

[proper barn]

Kullevro and Dagath are easy also Both are just "Ballas though the original was really funny". Also Ballas making a prime of the gay man that loved him that later tried to kill him is something that he would do.

[humble sierra]

Kullervo Prime: before being sent into the Void
Dagath Prime: before clawing her way out of the scrap pile (but still having lost her face)

[proper barn]

no i think it's after and Ballas just thought it was funny.

[graceful swan]

Most Primes explanation is always going to be they started Prime first or earned it and whichever it actually is doesn't really matter

[proper barn]

Same for dagath.

"i saw her macabe manse and i had to enshrine her into a prime".

i hear it right now in his stupid voice.

[rotund tinsel]

Being primed is like becoming a Witcher you gotta earn it

[proper barn]

not always.

but sometimes.

[hybrid silo]

what warframe is the strongest lorewise?

[proper barn]

OH GOD

[graceful swan]

The one you're using

[proper barn]

NOT THIS QUESTION

[old basin]

It is the question

[proper barn]

i love nemesis' answer.

[hybrid silo]

what?

[rotund tinsel]

There are no weak frames,they are all strong at their own stuff

[proper barn]

the warframe you are using

is the strongest.

cuz you are the tenno good at using every Warframe.

[rotund tinsel]

They are all uniquely strong and none of them are weak

[humble sierra]

Lore wise Yareli is probably the weakest only because she's taken more Ls from potentially lower level threats than anyone else

But then in gameplay she can be more powerful than others

[proper barn]

i am gonna tackle you

[graceful swan]

If there was a strongest Warframe the Orokin would've started only making that Warframe

[rotund tinsel]

She almost got beat by vulgran too

[graceful swan]

Ngl I just think that Yareli was piloted by a new player

[old basin]

Haha

[rotund tinsel]

That and my little probably not effective reasoning that all warframes are uniquely strong in their own right

Like how kullervo excels at melee stuff

[graceful swan]

Which is what the point is

The only time we ever got a mention of the word strongest in relation to Warframes is Chroma being one of the strongest

[rotund tinsel]

However the way I'd assume there are weak frames is because yareli almost got whipped to bits by Vulgran

[graceful swan]

It always depends on the Operator using them

[rotund tinsel]

But that's because she got tired from running

[graceful swan]

Helminth really hated that Yareli

[rotund tinsel]

How so?

I only ever assumed there was one waverider comic so if it says in another one mb

[graceful swan]

"(Who nurtures you in your times of rest? Who restores your battle-torn frame, day after day after day? Whose milk enriches your kindred flesh with endless strength and vigor? It can only be me.)"

[humble sierra]

Maybe that Yareli just went through a bunch of different missions before this

She didn't get a chance for downtime

[rotund tinsel]

forgot about that line even after I got Helminth 3 days ago

[graceful swan]

Helminth was having downtime

[rotund tinsel]

The funniest thing I've ever done in warframe is catch up on all quests but didn't ever get helminth till this week

Which didn't really make sense when I played new war and saw it but I still asked questions when you unlock it

[plain turtle]

so normally don't chat here, but i found a weird secret room in the air ducts in 1999 and cant find any mention anywhere else, who is living in the vents???? fnaf reference??

off in some isolated corner of a survival map

[north ferry]

Probably requires translating those notes to get a better idea. I believe there's a translator somewhere.

[old dome]

i wonder if its bc he can just. turn into a literal dragon... miniaturized but still.

...wyvern?

[drifting mirage]

He's not a dragon, he's wearing the skin of a dragon

[river tangle]

how the oof worm queen knows tuvul...

[graceful swan]

They’re both Orokin

But anyway who said they did?

[river tangle]

huh?

pretty sure she said something about tuvul then said "nomnomnomnom"

[lean garden]

Why wouldnt the daughter of an orokin aristocrat know about an Orokin leader of her (now dead) society

[past halo]

How do converted Technocyte Coda join our side? Do they integrate themselves into the Helminth or do they just walk with us because lmao?

[manic rover]

Why were Lettie and Eleanor after the Legacyte in the final act? Dont remember why

[strange turtle]

IIRC it was for Eleanor to take control of the Techrot

[old dome]

does us buying any cosmetics have ingame lore reasons...??

[graceful swan]

No

[humble sierra]

They needed an army to handle/distrsct Scaldra forces so the others could get into the nuclear plant

So by taking over the Legacyte she was able to grow in power

[drifting mirage]

Tenno are secretly magpies

[west cliff]

if Kaya is in Lundara relay what does that mean for the origin system? would the corpus try & hunt her cause shes a proto-frame & could be studied? Would Alid V. try to make her a Zenuka? What does that mean for the Quils of Cetus now that they have a Living Paradox not of the Void? Would Tyl Regor try and Experiment on her cause of her Unique DNA of 1999?

wait

COULD THIS BE A NEW OPERATION!!!

https://tenor.com/view/light-bulb-gru-despicable-me-gru-light-bulb-cartoon-gif-17648830

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-gif-9388384639890532829

i disagree, but if youre right ur cooking

[graceful swan]

It means she’s in a Space Mall away from conflict

[azure elm]

^^ she went to larunda to chill, and theres nothing corpus would learn from her that the zanuka project wouldn't already have leads on

[west cliff]

dude the relays have been attacked before & you sure the Corpus & grineer WOULDNT NOTICE A TEMPRAL ANOMALY!!!!!!

[azure elm]

im sure, otherwise each limbo would be hunted

[graceful swan]

Yet they can no longer be blown up

So the danger is irrelevant

[azure elm]

until we get another relay, the relay number is set and safe

[west cliff]

sure from being destroyed but that doesn't mean it cant be raided or even threatend

[graceful swan]

DE realised we used to just let them blow up so they disabled friendly fire

[azure elm]

also, parvos granum doesn't even need to study temporal tools

he had a protea

[west cliff]

"had" being a key term

but still

[azure elm]

under parvos, the corpus have been steered from hairbrained schemes and more toward consolidating the orokin era tech specifically

[tall echo]

Relays are almost impossible to detect

[azure elm]

reliquaries, jade light, things parvos himself wanted during the orokin age

kaya would be an uninteresting thing to our golden handed leader

[tall echo]

And no one in the system really has the technology to detect one tiny temporal anomaly

[azure elm]

genuinely the riot 484 would be more likely to be a target of the corpus

[west cliff]

wouldn't the Corpus (mainly Alid) & the grineer (Tyl Regor) want a LIVING proto-frame to study, alid may be the lead on ZENUKA & not neet to better THAT project & has a Head on amalgams, but what about enhancing their own with protoframe tech, & wouldnt Tyl & the grineer want NEW DNA to boost the Grineer?

[tall echo]

Alad

[azure elm]

alid no longer has boardman power

he's out there somewhere

[west cliff]

Ok so the corpus are out but what of the grineer

[tall echo]

Tyl regor is presumed dead

[west cliff]

its still a thought ok... TnT

[azure elm]

sorry we've picked apart your theory, but kaya doesn't have anything of interest to the enemy factions

[west cliff]

not even to the Grineer?

[azure elm]

if they wanted a clean genepool they'd be better off kidnapping cetus citizens, which they already try to do

[tall echo]

He's still in charge of his corpus faction

[azure elm]

kaya is helminthed and will eventually be consumed one day

shes infested

[west cliff]

but still has a mind

a LIVING CONSIOUS MIND!!!

[tall echo]

Kaya is of no use to the corpus and the grineer don't care about warframes

[azure elm]

not useful to the grinneer, they dont care

[west cliff]

damn

[tall echo]

For now

[azure elm]

shes not even useful to the queen because an infested body would be a bad choice for continuity

kaya is genuinely safer than we are, in our universe

[tall echo]

The transformation is still going, just very slowly

[west cliff]

and here i thought Kaya being in the Origin system had a some ramifications

[azure elm]

her being able to jump directly to our time without going the long way, means we will be able to spend a lot more time with the hex

temple not withstanding, they already went the long way, the evidence is that they exist in our time as a warframe

[stray herald]

diee leech, bloody worm

[azure elm]

but with kayas jumptech, we can now basically live a long loving life with our partners, and then slowly watch them be consumed by the helminth

yayyy....

because as evidenced by temple and the coda existing outside of 1999, the loop IS broken eventually, we just haven't yet

[drifting mirage]

I need you to cease speaking now

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-parker-sad-eyes-frown-gif-13908568

[west cliff]

well even if it has many holes in the plot i still had (key word: "had") and idea of an Operation

[tall echo]

I prefer the backroom anyways

[azure elm]

an operation is likely, dont get me wrong there

but im just not sure it'll have to do with hunting kaya

[north jolt]

Well, I would argue no more or less then any Warframe is anyways

[azure elm]

we'll probably just see nullifiers introduced to hollvania or something

[tall echo]

The screamers already do nullifying

[azure elm]

do they?

[drifting mirage]

Yeah, in red

[tall echo]

Pretty annoying

[azure elm]

they die so quick

[drifting mirage]

Thankfully they also melt

[azure elm]

just like our lover in our hands...

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[tall echo]

Screamers act like demo units

[drifting mirage]

C e A S e

Mods redact this fool's keyboard

[tall echo]

If your warframe melts then there's something very wrong

[north jolt]

Unless there's a quest later down the road at some point where we somehow someway find a way to halt the progression of the helminth in their bodies. If I remember right in the 1999 comic Entrati already had some kind of serum that seemingly halted or reversed total transformation in the Hex. But I don't know if that's something DE will actually ever do

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fire-flamethrower-burn-on-fire-gif-7684110515453159552

[tall echo]

Entrati himself says that they will be lost to the helminth eventually

[azure elm]

the end result of love, no matter the way, is loss, and thats the beauty of it ;u;

[north jolt]

So then at best the serum I mentioned seems to only be a temporary "fix" meaning that yeah, unless DE does the thing, or unless somehow each Hex manages to pull a Stalker or Umbra, not much hope it would seem

[tall echo]

I'd argue that that's only if you're really unlucky

[azure elm]

no its just the way it is, the very best case scenario is you BOTH die at the same time at old age

[tall echo]

And then there's no loss

[north jolt]

Then again I don't think Entrati ever fully knew about Stalker, Jade or especially not Umbra so

Things might not be totally hopeless for the hex?

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-stare-serious-eating-gif-14309125

[tall echo]

I don't see loss in any kind of positive way

[azure elm]

nothing is every hopeless

but i wouldn't count on it even being touched on

[tall echo]

Difference is that all of those were designed by ballas to stay capable of thought as a form of torture

[north jolt]

Then why didn't Ballas design all the warframes to not go insane ?

[tall echo]

That's not the same thing

[north jolt]

It is though

[tall echo]

Umbra was completely feral

Stalker lost his memories

[north jolt]

The helminth is what makes people turned into frames go insane, being assimilated into the infested hive mind. Umbra was angry but not feral and still acted with reason and purpose

Same for Stalker, a little screwed up in the head but still has more of his faculties then most who went through the process

[tall echo]

The transformation isn't guaranteed to drive the host insane

[north jolt]

Umbra, Stalker and Jade all had something in common: inhuman levels of mental fortitude that allowed them to cling onto some slither of sanity and humanity

But most warframes before the tenno showed up DID go feral

[tall echo]

Kullervo was a 1st gen frame and he remained as sane as the other three

[lean garden]

"As sane"

Umbra levels of sanity

Jade and stalker fared better

[north jolt]

Oh yeah, forgot about him. Not sure exactly what his deal was like how he remained not-feral but

[proper barn]

Says only the Orokin.

[tall echo]

It's more likely that the orokin's attempts at subduing the frames is what often caused them to eventually act up rather than the transformation itself

[graceful swan]

Are they lying though?

[lean garden]

I mean lizzie indicates that warframe madness is as real as infested madness

[north jolt]

I get what you're saying, but since it is our only source on the issue, we at least have to consider it while taking it with a grain of salt

[lean garden]

Lil issue with being hooked up to a discord call all the time

[tall echo]

Oh, invite spam bot number 3

[north jolt]

It's kind of one in the same considering how warframes are made tbf

[lean garden]

Mhmm, my point exactly

The protoframes are already hearing the helminth

[north jolt]

However the conclusion (for now) of Flare's and Lizzie's story has me thinking about something I will elaborate on more in a bit

[tall echo]

Dante being mostly left alone by the infestation issues makes sense considering its fear of the void

[graceful swan]

I mean, it’s only next door to them

[tall echo]

They seem to always hear it

Constantly talking

Good thing none of the protos seem to struggle with sensory overload

[graceful swan]

Isn’t that normal though?

Like a thing all frames would’ve dealt with

[tall echo]

Yes?

[graceful swan]

Or at least till cloning

[lean garden]

Gee its like that might be a reason for infested madness

[tall echo]

Wait why are you a void trace

[graceful swan]

I’m just becoming random resources

Might become Argon for like an hour eventually

Then I’ll decay

[north jolt]

Okay so more on this, and 1999 spoilers for Flare and Lizzie: ||So at the (good) end of their story line, they basically manage to see eye to eye and come to peace with each other, Flare no longer fearing and rejecting Lizzie and Lizzie no longer trying to completely consume Flare's mind, but merely "sharing" it. Flare seems to think that he's still fated to eventually become consumed by the Helminth and no longer be a human individual and maybe that will be his fate, but what if strong enough emotions and will power can, at least in single individuals, hold the hivemind at bay and allow a warframe to still cling to some sense of "self" like we see in previously mentioned examples, obviously to different degrees. What if the key to saving the Hex from this fate (assuming that's possible or something DE plans of course) is to also help them have the strength and will power to continue being "them" ?||

[azure elm]

well, I think temple is a special case, and maybe it'll be something that happens to the other hex in their mindstate but uhhh

i dunno

[proper barn]

Flare Is they Lizzie is she.

[north jolt]

Seems like we're moving away from the 1999 setting in the game for a while anyways, so no telling when we will actually see the final fate of the Hex be it happy or sad, but its something I had in mind and wanted to throw out there

[azure elm]

ive got internallized david bowie misogyny I always make that pronoun mistake with flare

[proper barn]

David Bowie the real person was also very gender agnostic but we don't gotta get into that.

[azure elm]

yes I knowwwww

[north jolt]

Same, but Im too lazy to go back and change it so y'all can just point and laugh at my mistake

[azure elm]

im non binary myself, I just need to level my woke intrinsic Xd

[proper barn]

Me and my partner actually both made the joke "oh Non-binary David Bowie so just David Bowie then?" But imagine trying to explain that to people.

[azure elm]

its weird cuz i dont have the issue with xaku, but i constantly make the mistake with temple

[proper barn]

It's alright as long as your trying is still my take.

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-i-think-you-should-leave-i-think-you-should-leave-gif-summer-loving-tim-robinson-gif-1079208187676480315

very tru

[drifting mirage]

Felt. I feel like a heel when I get Flare's pronouns wrong since they're mine too

[north jolt]

But yeah could just be me coping, BUT there might be a slim chance of hope for the Hex. Wouldn't be the first time a seemingly hopeless group of individuals somehow got miraculously saved by our intervention

[azure elm]

the cope is fair, trust

im just not sure if it'll come to bear fruit

[north jolt]

It will probably be years before DE even touches the Hex again story wise anyways

[azure elm]

yea...

[drifting mirage]

Yeah. I'm hoping it'll pay off in a few years

[azure elm]

dang content island >:C

[drifting mirage]

Let our Drifter retire with their protos in the main system

[azure elm]

proto-cule

[north jolt]

proto-cule but its just multiple Eleanors

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-hot-sweaty-hot-dog-gif-15607521

freaky frame when, DE

and no khora doesnt count

[drifting mirage]

Harrow and Kullervo and Hydroid

[azure elm]

kullervo is only freaky if you also listen to the suicide boys

[drifting mirage]

He does chains. Harrow does self flagellation and chains.

[azure elm]

oh yeaaaa

[west cliff]

NEW OPERATION IDEA:

Operation Time Jumper:
Kaya Velasco is being hunted by both the Grineer as they want her protoframe DNA to see if they could extract what is left of the 1999 Human DNA & the Corpus as they see her Time jump as a way to aid parvos or maybe Alad V. sees her as a new "investment" to get himself back on the board by creating a new Zenuka type from her proto-frame Helminth and she asks to be Protected until the Heat dies down or can find a safe way to cover her tracks.

she gets aid from The Quills & Vox Solaris (little duck mostly) to see what can be done and this is another 2 front fight (Operation Scarlet Spear type thing)

she needs to salvage tech from the grineer & corpus to make a cloaking device or to find a save haven, so she asks us to accompany her to salvage tech while trying to destroy any evidence of her existence in the origin system. & to do that she needs us to help her scavenge & salvage tech by protecting Kaya as she moves around the ships grabbing parts & passcodes while the other half of players help by covering her tracks in outposts with the Op-link so that the quils/LD erase any trace of her & or help unlock tech vaults/supply cashes around for kaya

and as this is a community event, players could impact what happens Next with kaya. by helping her make her cloaking device she could stay on Lundara, or she could be on the run if we fail to get enough parts or by failing to erase enough evidence with a special reward if we win (idk a new item or weapon) or a new mission type if we fail ("Cover-up" spy/salvage type thing)

this is JUST AN IDEA

[woven coyote]

I mean cool idea but... why in lore chanel?

[west cliff]

read from this down #lore-discussion message

then stop here #lore-discussion message

thats the context for the op idea

[tall echo]

Why wouldn't we just have her copy the void cloaking of the orbiter and rj in safety

[strange turtle]

It’s ok, I somehow managed to not clock on to the fact that Flare was an enby male at all (is it ok to specify when just talking about physical characteristics?) until I approached them and got whiplash from hearing the voice

[stiff isle]

did i goof up to many times and now i cant save flare and lizzy, since they hasnt spoken in a while

[tall echo]

*they

[smoky solstice]

I kinda find DE's current sponsorship strategy interesting

like from what I've seen, they've sponsored some bigger creators having them play the new war, and considering the spoilers in that quest, maybe DE is going in a direction of kinda opening up what the story is about to the broader public

rather than keeping it lowkey and then hitting you with a "WHAT" moment

ig it makes sense, I mean the game is only gonna get bigger, eventually the second dream will be one of like 50 huge quests, perhaps eventually it had to happen in order to actually get people interested in the new stuff

because like how do you even advertise 1999 related stuff, everything new is a second dream spoiler, you can kinda be covert about it, but then you can't really go into what's cool about what you're releasing

so ig showing the world what the new war is, and by extension both spoiling the operator and the drifter, perhaps it just had to happen for the new era of warframe
I mean they are still keeping it fairly spoiler-free but maybe this is a sign things are starting to change in terms of that

[tall echo]

Ok

[graceful swan]

Trailers showing a 9-10 year old system is to be expected and watching a trailer with spoilers is your own risk DE stopped caring about the spoiler ages ago

[smoky solstice]

idk if they stopped caring, I understand why people say that, but they seem aware of the fact that a lot of things aren't gonna make sense for new players so they're kinda safe to spoil? like with duviri right, it sorta spoils a lot but also not a lot of it makes sense as a beginner, so that's why?

but yeah idk, mostly they still keep it lowkey in their advertising regarding operator and drifter, I'm just wondering if that's gonna change

[woven coyote]

At some point it does become like old movie plot points, it just becomes common knowledge

[graceful swan]

Even some people who haven’t done TSD know about Operator being a thing

The longer something is a spoiler the less DE stop caring about the actual spoiler

[smoky solstice]

sure, ig the thought just came to mind since I haven't seen DE sponsoring new war playthroughs before

[graceful swan]

Wisp Prime trailer didn’t have to show Operator but it did

[smoky solstice]

it did? I don't remember that lmao

but I also don't remember the trailer fully, wasn't one which stuck in my mind

[stiff isle]

right, its they forgot about that

[smoky solstice]

yeah, this is the dialogue that tells you to restart, helminth kinda breaking the fourth wall by telling you to "try again"

I mean you can keep it as is if you want, but this is the suboptimal ending

[woven coyote]

It isnt really helminth or a fourth wall break

[tall echo]

I still got the good ending even though I got that convo I think

[stiff isle]

how do i restart

[tall echo]

Wait for tomorrow

Every 4 weeks you can reset all convos

[smoky solstice]

well yeah, I only said that because helminth strain and the infestation are kinda like a hivemind, but ofc lizzie has a lot of flare in her and all that
and also yeah, ig fourth wall break isn't completely accurate?

it is a thing of like infestation has info about the fact that you can reset, which is why I said fourth wall break, but it doesn't have to be for sure, since we are also resetting in universe

[woven coyote]

Yeah its just that apparently the hivemind doesnt care about time

It simply knows everywhen it exists

[smoky solstice]

so fair enough

[woven coyote]

Lizzie had a line that sorta explained it

Less of an explanation and more of a statement of what they are capable i guess

[north jolt]

Cephalons are basically brains in jars. That is all

[brittle siren]

I still can't believe that I pass all 3 new protos chat without reaching bad end

[silk atlas]

Kaya is stupid easy to get through

[north ferry]

I hate that line, because it's completely nonsense. I am not resetting all other characters because of 'failing' an awfully made choice.

[stray gale]

yeah I picked that line as well and I can't fathom the way lizzie reacts so negatively

the way lizzie is the most deliberately obtuse to understand and also being the one to 4th wall break is a little annoying tbh

[silk atlas]

Lizzie wouldn't necessarily need to break the fourth wall in order to know that some time shenanigans are going on, especially with stuff like Coda causing order of events to get all screwy. Going back in 1999 to start a Coda fight means that the Infested would then know about the whole 1999 stuff happening before you even went and started it.

[lean garden]

Because "no one can hurt you again" isnt why lizzie is doing what she's doin

[silk atlas]

Lizzie wants to help Flare become whole, since they're part of the same being

[lean garden]

Mhmm, if you tell lizzie that its for this reason, to her you've not been paying attention to what either lizzie or flare's core issues are

[stray gale]

she just isn't very relatable or even sensible most of the time

[silk atlas]

Welcome to dealing with a weird zombie-esque hivemind. Doesn't have a lick of a clue what individuality is like

[stray gale]

and really the fact that flare's story kinda just ends here (most likely) makes it pretty hard to care

I assume kaya's time travel is going to be significant later, as is neci

[north ferry]

They're both bad answers. The whole 'its all music' doesn't seem like its what its all about either. And feels really trite.
Oh tbf, I really like Lizzie. And dislike Flare.

[stray gale]

but flare? well, good luck with your clingy guitar, buddy

[silk atlas]

Yeah if you've gotten through the 13-ish convos by now and didn't get them to reconcile you're just done here

[stray gale]

as in, I don't think flare is going to be significant in any way to the plot going forward, regardless of what happens

[graceful swan]

Why the Flare dislike?

[stray gale]

I just don't think flare's very interesting, personally

[silk atlas]

Flare casually dropping the bombshell that they're ||the original Temple and was at the Night of the Naga Drums:||

[stray gale]

the whole "I'm a counterculture rockstar in trouble with the law" isn't hugely original and that's kind of all that's going on there

and also they have a really roundabout and kind of annoying way of speaking on the kim

flare's fluent in yapanese fr

[old dome]

||would be*||

[strange turtle]

I’ve never done it before but I’m thinking I will this time, do you need to redo the Hex chemistry again or just proceed through the conversations?

[tall echo]

You're just salty that you failed

[tall echo]

Chemistry

[strange turtle]

Aww

[old dome]

||im wondering why its flare specifically who got to be in that event tho... considering quincy was also the only cyte batch ever...||

[tall echo]

Cyte existed before

[lean garden]

Cyte went missing during the orokin erra, temple was never built by ballass

[graceful swan]

Ballas was too afraid to

[stray gale]

I was honestly not really paying much attention and just picked things at semi-random

I think all the protoframes this update were kind of a miss in general tbh

at least the kim conversations

[tall echo]

Then your argument doesn't even work

If you don't want to talk to the character then just don't

[stray gale]

I did the content because there was content to do lol

and it's not an argument, it's an opinion

[old dome]

hmmm... i dont really get this either bc kully got 6 crimes to his name just bc he was rebelling against the orokin (& ballas was blatantly trolling him) but. suddenly ballas is afraid of temple?

it dont make sense to me

[stray gale]

how am I supposed to have an opinion on it if I don't do it

[tall echo]

Quite a flimsy one

[stray gale]

yeah I got to the end of the conversations and thought they were boring, what of it

[tall echo]

Kullervo did the crimes after he was built

[old dome]

i will say: velmin's kim chats dont do them justice... i think we shouldve been able to talk to them outside of it too.

[tall echo]

Doesn't pay attention and just picks at random

"Man this is boring"
???

[stray gale]

I feel the way the new protoframes just show up

really hurts their likeability

[lean garden]

The orokin had a penchant for unknowingly building things that would bite them in the rear, not knowingly building things to bite them in the rear

[stray gale]

I was bored because there wasn't a reason to care, lol

I don't know what about this is hard to understand

[tall echo]

Same would apply to the hex

[old dome]

was kullervo & jade built that way? to knowingly bite the orokin's hands??

[stray gale]

we got an hour and a half main story narrative mission on the hex

[lean garden]

Obviously not

[stray gale]

and the hex don't spend literally all their time on the kim whining about some outside context problem

[tall echo]

Yet all their backstory and stuff is in the chats

[stray gale]

yeah? we play as them and find out who they are and bond over the shared objective in entrati

so we have a reason to care

[old dome]

ok so... why is ballas afraid of temple, if both kullervo & jade went the same route flare is gonna? im genuinely confused bc i never got the email thing from flare...

[stray gale]

meanwhile flare just materialises out of nowhere and starts going all "hey so I have this really clingy guitar", like okay good luck

[old dome]

ok in lizzie's defense shes actually far more interesting than flare is.

[stray gale]

I'm really happy for you, or I'm sorry that happened

circle the one that applies

[tall echo]

[stray gale]

she is, she reminds me of that one lich personality

but ultimately she's nothing new, we've known that infested are all clingy and hivemindy and all that, she's just charismatic and has some fun lines

[tall echo]

The quest only has the most surface-level information ever

[stray gale]

yes but it was a fun quest and it was a good hook

[old dome]

also the fact that we ||learned infested can time travel through her... & how she even came to be...||

[lean garden]

Because you didnt understand what I said.

I said that according to flare, building temple would be knowingly building a bite-in-rear machine. This does not apply to kullervo and jade, because they like almost every other warframe were unknowingly going to be bite-in-rear machines

[stray gale]

the way the hex all die horribly and we understand we can save them if we get to know them is compelling, and all the more rewarding when we literally do just that and the good ending plays out

[old dome]

...ok but why? why is building temple a bite in the ahh to the orokin, knowingly?

thats what i dont get...

[tall echo]

Because rebelling is built into it

[old dome]

...thats such a ??????????? answer tbh... bc why would ballas ever do such a thing in the first place???

[stray gale]

we kinda knew about the infested being able to do time travel shenanigans already as well

like we arrived in 1999 through the helminth

[lean garden]

Thats the magic thing: ballas never did

[old dome]

so its just helminth doing whatever?

[lean garden]

"Why would ballas build a rebelling warframe"

Because he didnt, because he was afraid it would rebel

[old dome]

so... its just helminth doing whatever & making ballas afraid?

[lean garden]

Which isnt really the same as learning that the infested consciousness is connected through time, which is an even bigger thing than mad scientist's boyfriend making it do things

[lean garden]

Based off the email, ballas appears to have designed an earlier iteration of temple, which by its nature would be rebellious, he doesnt build it because it would rebel.

[stray gale]

I was kinda treating that whole thing as calvinball to begin with, personally

but it is a bit weird how flare has the narrative backseat in their own update

[graceful swan]

It’s not weird
Flare like all the people in the Mall aren’t the main character of the update

We are still the main character

[stray gale]

it is weird that an update with flare's face on it is where they're literally the least significant person in it

[graceful swan]

They aren’t the least significant person in it

None of the others got a mission in the update

[stray gale]

kaya figured out time travel and velmin has connections to the one character who is yet unexplained

all flare got was an awful defence mission

[lean garden]

This reads off as conflating potential significance to future plotpoints with the meat of the current update

[north ferry]

Except it kinda wasnt. But nvm me, I'm just salty I failed the KIM chat because the KIM chat was stupid.

[graceful swan]

Flare gets
KIM chats
Defence Mission

The rest get
KIM chats

[stray gale]

you didn't think it was rewarding to save the hex?

[north ferry]

Kahl is beloved and I don't know who likes his missions.

[stray gale]

there isn't a lot of meat to the current update so I suppose that's what I'm counting

flare feels like they're just a bit of an aside, like drusus

granted, this is me being presumptuous that kaya and velmin will get used in future content but I feel it'd be weird if they didn't

[graceful swan]

The update is an Echoes update not a mainline update

Wasn’t meant to be super big

[stray gale]

besides, if you want to play content calculus, kaya gets ETA and velmin get all their vendor business

and ETA is certainly going to outlast stage defence

[north ferry]

Somewhat, but on a bare minimum basis. but that's a failure of the Hex quest as a whole failing to get me invested in the characters and events. The emotional 'we lived' party conclusion felt particularly annoying, it was utterly out of sight. Now I know that's petty but it was kinda just, on top of everything.

[stray gale]

yeah where's the DnD game

[lean garden]

Flare also has vendor business that has items you can get with heartstrings

So if you want to calculate who got the short stick its the viral couple

[stray gale]

I agree lol those scaldra weapons suck

[lean garden]

Flare's secondary is cantare but better lol

And cantare is already great fun

[north ferry]

Flare also got a whole Warframe and kinda all the music.

[stray gale]

but I think this is kinda what makes the new protoframes even less impactful to me

they just appear there, there isn't a cutscene, and nothing really happens to them depending on the outcome

aside from kaya being in larunda, of course

I know they can't disappear any vendors but still

there is no feeling of urgency to their problems, basically

with the hex, there was at least a bit of narrative urgency in that the final battle will happen again on new years, even if the game doesn't mechanically follow through

[old dome]

tbf... the resident viral status dont know where their daughter is or if shes even alive &. basically have to accept that....... even tho 99% of their chats is more abt them than neci but thats why kim chats doesnt do them any justice at all

[north ferry]

Valid, but I think that's inevitable and okay. I do wish there was that tiny intro cutscene they had in the trailer.

[stray gale]

there probably should have been some benefit to getting the good ending for each of them

like a sigil or something like that idk

[graceful swan]

You don’t have to bother with their problems

You could ignore Kim

[stray gale]

yeah, I could've

and that's kind of a condemnation in hindsight

"I could have just not bothered with this"

not exactly a glowing review for another round of a highly anticipated feature

[north ferry]

Exactly, as I said, I don't want to have to deal with the rest of the KIM chats just get the conclusion for my least liked Chat.

[stray gale]

in the first round, one of the things I liked the most was all the insight on how the drifter sees and knows the world

like knowing the game of komi and not knowing the significance behind it until eleanor (iirc) tells you

but that's pretty absent in the new ones

[north ferry]

I mean... kinda, theres still a lot of content given. Scaldra/Rusalka Lore, Time Travel Lore, Helminth Lore unless you pick all the uninteresting answers. I think I still missed that Komi one.
Maybe needed more time to cook.

[stray gale]

I think I just much preferred the vibe in the first round of mostly casual conversation and questions back and forth rather than the whole "lie down on the couch" business this time

how was your relationship with your mother, flare

like, the new conversations are a lot more high stakes in terms of failure states and negative reactions but the actual narrative consequence is really low, which is a wonky mix

anyway time to sleep good night 🛌

[north ferry]

Night, I should be working.

[wintry mist]

Hey, guys! I have two questions that I hope someone could answer that would help in the comic or fanfic I’m trying to make, haven’t decided yet.

1. So Eleanor paints on herself and based on what I’ve seen online she has the word “strong” on her thighs and “Ruin” on her lower legs. If that is correct, what is written on the charm she has on her belt?
2. If our operator/drifter is the one who shook the man in the walls’ hand to make the deal and get void powers, how are there other tenno story-wise? (aside from what is done for gameplay mechanics’ sake) Are they the classmates on the room with us when we made the deal? And did they all have to shake on it somehow? Or ended up in the deal just by being there??

[woven coyote]

The terms of the deal were somewhere along the lines of "saving all of them"

The consequence was basically the kids gaining powers and saving themselves basically

And in drifters case
"I said i'd save all of them, never said i'd save you"

[lean garden]

For 1, I think it would help if you had a picture
For 2, deal specifically referred to the rest of the kids too, so while you made the deal, they benefitted

[wintry mist]

Oh yes! Haha! thought I did. Sorry about that. Here it is

[wintry mist]

Oh, so then how did the drifter get void powers like the operator? Because that whole part in Duiviri with the Lotus hand didn’t make sense to me XD

[woven coyote]

Only after shaking hands with operator

[azure elm]

the drifter also has the ability to specifically tap into looping void charged enviroments, something our operator could probably stand to learn

[tall echo]

Side effect of existing in a fake world for a VERY long time

[azure elm]

not to inflict the halo curse, but I'd love to see some warframe content in book form

[tall echo]

There's comics

[feral cape]

Or he doesn't and he just serves as a living battery for albretch to make an even bigger loop

[azure elm]

that would work, only if you didn't factor in that they do that in duviri with no albrecht

[tall echo]

Did you forget that the drifter created duviri and has full control over it

[north ferry]

There's a really good fanfic out there, it's pre new war but is complete
Admittedly, warframe is very much a 'game' story and wouldn't transfer a lot of its more experiencal details to other mediums. The same way at least.

[novel valve]

What do I pick lmao

[lean garden]

Imo thats a safe one

[novel valve]

Really? It seems like I’ll piss minerva off and ruin the chemistry

I’m getting nervous waiting for when I can solve all their problems lol

[lean garden]

Trust me, any other option and you will doom the relationship

[novel valve]

So the second one?

[lean garden]

Yes

[novel valve]

I didnt even get to talk to Kaya today

Just ended at her birthday message

If it says “trusted” does it mean i screwed up or is that before the problem gets solved/ruined

Cuz i legit cant tell if im screwing up or not

[wintry mist]

So the drifter made a deal with the operator to give them void powers to get them out of Duiviri?? 🤔

[humble sierra]

They were able to get out of Duviri before, which is how they're in the New War

[wintry mist]

Wait, now I’m more confused

[humble sierra]

Duviri Paradox is set between New War act 1 (Teshin) and when you see them in New War

That's why when you're playing as them they don't have powers

Until they speak to the Operator

[wintry mist]

So how did they get out of the paradox the first time?

[silk atlas]

...The quest.

[humble sierra]

They remembered it was all their creation

They were free the whole time, basically. It's just that they were holding themselves back.

What inspired them to free themselves was Teshin and the Lotus' severed hand landing in Duviri

[wintry mist]

So when exactly during the new war does the drifter shake hands with the operator?

Sorry I’m dumb

[humble sierra]

After feeding the Lotus the second archon shard, she's strong enough to fight, but she goes berserk not recognizing the Drifter. I think she fired a massive blast at Drifter, and it cuts to the final Operator "flashback" where they make the deal with Man in the Wall, and then a fancy cinematic has them shaking the Drifter's hand. Then it's revealed that the flashbacks were all just Operator being trapped in the Void, reliving their own memories.

Basically they just did a WWE style tag-in right before Drifter was obliterated and this also gives the Drifter powers

[wintry mist]

Okay. Apologies, but bear with me, so just as the Lotus was about to beam the drifter, the operator switched places with the drifter and that gave them the void powers??

[humble sierra]

Yep

The drifter made a deal with the Man in the Wall, just like Operator, only Man in the Wall didn't give Drifter powers— this was where the timelines split.

So Operator gave them powers in this moment.

I could be mistaken because there's not any specific wording in-game, but I think that's the idea

[wintry mist]

So they switched places, had that whole conversation and shook hands during that switch is what you’re saying? 🤔

[humble sierra]

The conversation came a bit later

I can't quite remember when but somehow the Operator ends up on the Zariman area again

[wintry mist]

I think when the operator gets stabbed by ballas?

[humble sierra]

Nope, that's what traps them in the void initially

And also possibly what makes the link between Operator and Duviri (during the Paradox quest, drifter gets randomly stabbed by a ghost sword and you hear Ballas)

[tall echo]

A ghost sword that looks exactly like paracesis

[humble sierra]

Okay I misremembered a bit, the handshake happens, but Drifter doesn't get tagged out, they've now got the powers. 44:50 in the video

https://youtu.be/L6nNJ6yPN-8?feature=shared

For whatever reason the Operator chooses to go back to the Zariman after the Lotus escapes

48:30

[wintry mist]

Maybe the operator ended up there after getting executed by ballas?

Since the Zariman is in the void and they got yeeted in

[tall echo]

You are not paying much attention

[humble sierra]

Initially yeah, but then they just fly there on their own for reasons unexplained

[tall echo]

After the lotus escapes=after the whole flashback loop

[wintry mist]

Look bro. It’s 4 am right now XD

[tall echo]

It's 3am for me

[humble sierra]

I recommend just watching this one hour video of all the cutscenes

When you have time

Or even better, replaying the quests

[wintry mist]

I’ll do that again, because I played the quest 3 times

[humble sierra]

Jogging your memory this way will explain things better than written text

[wintry mist]

I haven’t slept yesterday and stayed up till 4 am today, so my brain isn’t exactly awake 😅

Maybe I should get some sleep and it will make it easier for me to link events when I watch the quest cutscenes again

[north ferry]

Tbf. I got very confused about what was happening with the New War first time as well.

[wintry mist]

I need to rewatch and rewind clips then because I’m doing same face the operator did when he realized what the drifter is XD

That face is honestly meme material

[tall echo]

[winged flume]

Nevermind, I'm big dumb again.

Is the an FN P90 skin for the Burston yet?

[willow stream]

No but if it gets one it'll be called the EFV P09

[graceful sand]

Why is bro everywhere

#lore-discussion

[willow stream]

I decided to check it out after you mentioned it over on #builds-discussion

[graceful sand]

Oh lmao

[winged flume]

So; Dark Sector (tech demo), Dark Sector (launched game), Warframe, Warframe 1999/The Hex are all just "turtles, all the way down".

[novel valve]

So question when the hell will I know if ive successfully solved the problems of all the new hex members? I’m at trusted with Kaya and Flare and Close with Minerva/Velimir

[charred patio]

wait a minute

if you forget, it reset EVERYONE???

IT RESET THE SECOND WAVE OF PROTO FRAMES TOO???

you cant be serious

why?
WHY???

[glacial bough]

Cause it's all KIM's

did the same, big rough

[charred patio]

Im already tired of this

[winged flume]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

[willow stream]

Yes and unfortunately I don't think individual resetting is possible since conversations you get with one character can affect what conversations you get with another character.

What I would like is for there to at least be an in-game tracker that tells you in real time which dialogue choices you already picked and which ones are good if you picked it a previous time you had that conversation.

[shrewd wyvern]

I was gonna say to check the KIM convo history, but I suppose when you reset relationships, it probably wipes it all

[hybrid silo]

Why won't it go to the year 2000?

[blissful merlin]

Cuz we’re only looping the year of 1999

[hybrid silo]

But we're already disable the bomb

[dire shadow]

Do you remember Eternalism? That concept thrown around during New War?

[hybrid silo]

No...

[dire shadow]

It's the idea of different timelines at different points happening in different ways. Constants and variables (if you're unsure with the concept, please consult Bioshock Infinite for more).

There is a timeline where the Hex finally sees 2000, but that isn't the one you're in. You're the one in the loop that your Drifter created to help them have the best outcome. And that outcome is entirely determined on how you handle things in the timeline you're in.

Hence, Eternalism. You do and do not exist in space-time and you loop with the Hex because it's not entirely good enough yet.

It's sorta like how Duviri works, but the limitations there are much more bendable.

[hybrid silo]

Huh

Thanks for explaining!

[restive river]

I’m not sure 1999 involves eternalism?
Beyond Eleanor finding an alt version of herself

1999 has been established to be the true past, the loop existed because of Albrecht and was extended when the Drifter took control, any changes we make effect the future
The Hex are both in a loop and their history continues

[restive river]

Time continues but so does the loop
We retain the loop to retain the changes we made, the changes we cause affect the timeline and the future
We also retain the loop so the Hex may continue to exist without becoming full frames, even though technically they will and have

[willow stream]

1999 does not involve eternalism. It will forever be 1999 because it is in a time loop.

When 1999 ends, 1999 starts.

[restive river]

And time also continues

We loop to retain the changes we make

[feral cape]

Because we need to keep looping to make time cement itself

[restive river]

If it was just a loop then time would never move past 1999, but it does, time continues AND we retain our loop

The way I visualize it is the year of 1999 is a loop-de-loop on the timeline, time both continues and loops

[willow stream]

Not sure how we manage to rewind the entire year of 1999 without undoing all of the work we've done in 1999, but that's probably gonna be one of those things DE never explains considering something as broad as even eternalism doesn't answer that.

[restive river]

Wdym
Time is always moving forward so we rewind it so we can keep the changes we make by doing them again

[willow stream]

It only works if the rewind somehow only rewinds the time stream and not everything flowing in it.

...I think.

[restive river]

What

[willow stream]

Time travel is weird, man.

[restive river]

We’re rewinding the entire year of 1999

Including the physical state of things

Like the protos, we ensure that so long as they are in the loop that they will never succumb to the helminth

Ofc they also will but we have our own loop where they are also chillin’

[willow stream]

I just got really confused from you saying this.

[north ferry]

The loop happens regardless, it's a choice if we choose to reset the Hex's knowledge of it. I don't know if that includes their physical state, since Duviri has had physical changes persist. Although duviri does have different rules being in the void.

[restive river]

It def includes physical state, if it didn’t the Hex would be warframes by now

Heck anyone can die but it doesn’t matter within the loop, only for what comes next

[charred patio]

I mean, technically speaking, that would be shown in the source code, right

[north ferry]

Hmm, the ratty jerseys and shirt in the backroom, whose are those? Albretch seems to wear smancier stuff.

[humble sierra]

The Backroom is a literal backroom for a clothing store

That's why its icon is the needle and thread, and why there's some extra clothing there, and also that mannequin.

[north ferry]

Oh... duh

[fierce niche]

what language does the corpus speak?

[old dome]

a weird futuristic english... it kinda sounds slavic tho

[fierce niche]

yeh i thought the same thing

or russian

[old dome]

The Corpus Language uses a set of Roman-number-like alphabets and grammar that is largely similar to conventional English. The language is spoken by Crewmen type enemies and its writing can be seen around Corpus Tilesets.

Corpus as a whole mainly speak normal English, however, their helmets contain built-in vocal modulators, which cause their voice and any words spoken sound garbled and scrambled. These helmets also provide protection and identity-masking requirements.

[steel creek]

now im wondering what language do the grineer speak

[fierce niche]

gibberish.

😭

[north ferry]

Also English iirc

[graceful swan]

Grineer

[old dome]

all the languages in the game are some form of futuristic english,, except void-tongue. that one is just straight up mongolian throat singing w some gibberish words thrown in.

(or at least i think theyre gibberish,,, im not a linguist or a polyglot.)

[stray gale]

"mongolian throat singing" isn't a language, lol

as far as I can tell, both the grineer language and the void-tongue are conlangs

created from scratch

[graceful swan]

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[vast depot]

Gottem

[graceful swan]

Thanks

[old dome]

voidtongue, yes... grineer? p sure thats english bc i can understand whatever things they yell.

[stray gale]

grineer seems half corrupted english and half new words

though they're a bit weird because many grineer seem to speak totally understandable english, but then others speak the grineer... dialect?

[robust pawn]

No
I speak like a Russian person
The corpus language is more similar to English, where instead of K and S there will be Yu and Z

[stray gale]

a line like this is clearly 'corrupted' english

Sprear oot, furund klem!"" - "Spread out, find them!"

but then you'll get something like this which bares no similarity

"Ran's tet klem ket arai!" - "Don't let them get away!"

[robust pawn]

"Tenno scum"

[stray gale]

I actually wonder if the grineer language is supposed to be a separate 'language' or if it's supposed to be some kind of manifestation of clone rot that stops them from speaking normally

[old dome]

...i can understand how klem = them, ket = get, & arai = away..... but ran's = dont??

[stray gale]

kalh comes to mind, he speaks a grammatically simplified modern english but doesn't use these grineer-isms

[old dome]

apparently a kuva guardian uses grineer language when killing a larvling... so like. ???????????

why doesnt some of the grineer like kahl do that?

[stray gale]

yeah which is counterevidence becuase the guardian speaks very clearly

compared to english, grineer language seems to have more velars and less labial sounds which kinda makes me think that it's what english might sound like if you lost some ability to move your tongue and lips

but DE probably didn't think too hard about it, lol

[old dome]

thatd make sense considering how the grineer came to be in the first place...

also sikkhat = infested is. ???????? how??

[stray gale]

yeah, which is what is making me think that

like the steel meridian leader sounds very clear despite being a grineer

but then the kuva guardian also sounds clear but uses the grineer-isms, but then kahl sounds degenerated but doesn't, but then the grunts and the people in that one mission (escort?) sound degenerated and do

it's all a little inconsistent, DE pls fix

[old dome]

its less of a fix it & more like. de please explain the languages within your game more.

[stray gale]

the thing is is that writing languages and language cultures in a fictional setting is really hard

there is a lot you have to consider and it's a lot of effort

[drowsy saddle]

Gringlish is english adapted so even the most clone-rotted grineer can speak it, most steel Meridian members are less rotted (though defective in the eyes of the Grineer Heirarchy)

my assumption is that the guardians are talking to their underlings who only understand Gringlish

Vor is an interesting case of being rotted enough that he should be speaking grineer only but forces himself to speak proper english, likely as a show of superiority

[graceful swan]

Tbh certain Grineer speaking English in transitions is probably just so people who don’t bother reading or studying the Grineer language can understand what the bosses are saying

[drowsy saddle]

so vor can't speak without gasping for air in any language

collapsed lung looking ahh

[gray silo]

... you're all wrong. The clones speak English. They just speak a distant future version of brainrot slang. Many of the older grineer are rolling their eyes confused at the younguns but because they live such short lives, the language evolves at an incredibly rapid rate.

[nocturne valve]

Makes me wonder. Entrati went back to 20th century to make protoframes and trchrot. Dosent that mess up the timeline?

[graceful swan]

Albrecht didn’t create Techrot

He just cured Infested people with Infestation

[nocturne valve]

Ohh. I need to revisit the lore

[azure jasper]

Techrot was already there. If anything, he's introducing the helminth strain into the past.

[humble sierra]

Techrot's origin is completely unknown, perhaps even to the Orokin

[nocturne valve]

He promised a cure from what I remember

The helminth

[humble sierra]

It's implied Entrati sped things up and caused the Hollvania Outbreak to happen earlier and in a bigger way, and he also became some sort of iconic figure by providing cures

Also, messing up the timeline was possibly the goal

[azure jasper]

Lettie in her KIM chats seems to believe that Entrati was making people silent carriers to look like he's curing people but actually making it worse overall.

[tall echo]

There has always been a plague year, which the coda mire finally states to be 1999

[humble sierra]

1999 was an important year before then too, Albrecht calculated it somehow

[nocturne valve]

Ohh, I need to read weapon descriptions

[graceful swan]

Albrecht might’ve made it worse but he definitely didn’t create the Infestation
Probably the only thing we can’t blame the Orokin for making

Can still blame them for weaponising it though

[winged flume]

🤣

[nocturne valve]

Yep. They miscalculated it's impact and it got outta control

[azure jasper]

The Orokin seem to always mess with powerful things and have it blow up in their faces. Sentient, Infestation, Grineer, the Tenno...

[humble sierra]

The loop isn't also explained too well. For starters, it obviously has to end somehow, no? For the future to exist?

[drowsy saddle]

wasn't that after the sentients came knocking back

[silk atlas]

It doesn't need to end, the effects of what's going on in the loop still happen as time goes past the loop

[drowsy saddle]

i see it as more us rewinding the tape than actually looping

[silk atlas]

It's not like events just stop happening when new years hits from the perspective of anyone who's going through time linearly

[humble sierra]

Even before then they were using it a lot, I think the Unum might be some Infested thing since she's a living meat tower

[drowsy saddle]

"Look at this bozo going through time linearly like a bozo"

-# this post was sponsored by Shadow Time traveller money gang™️

[graceful swan]

If I made a marked a giant circle and put something on it that can move round forever would you ever see an end?

[drowsy saddle]

bio tech isn't completely about the infested, gotta remember that earth was already decimated by the infested, so the orokin had good reason to research biotech to maybe clean up the mess (orokin have plenty of sins but researching biotech aint it) releasing the infestation a short sighted gamble, but hey, when has that ever stopped humanity?

[tall echo]

Earth was destroyed by other toxic materials

Primarily

[humble sierra]

But the whole timeline is not just a circle? There are events that occur after 1999— the rest of the game— and 1999 isn't a different universe or anything.

I'm guessing the loop will loop around a whole bunch of times, potentially thousands or millions, but eventually it will have to cease for the future to continue?

[graceful swan]

The loop isn’t doing much bad to need to cease

We aren’t changing enough for it to be an issue

[humble sierra]

My question is, if 1999 is going to be an infinite loop, how can the future exist if time doesn't progress?

[tall echo]

It just progresses

[silk atlas]

It just keeps going

[tall echo]

The implication is that we don't loop after new years

[humble sierra]

So after the finale the loop is just for gameplay?

[humble sierra]

I guess that would explain the KIM chats that reference the loop, but Arthur has a message about it too after the quest

[tall echo]

I mean it'd be pointless to do a whole new years kiss if you're just gonna go back anyways

[humble sierra]

"You still need to keep the loop going, though, don't you? Because it's not enough to put things right, is it. We need to keep them right."

[winged flume]

It's a stacked forever the same and different 1999, a Groundhog Day of the Year, that when the loop is done, all things that had and haven't happened are canon to the continuity of the timeline.

A Timelocked event in the foreverandnever.

[drowsy saddle]

Like an episode of a TV show we keep on repear

[lean garden]

Think of it as a video game with replayable select chapters, and that theres a QoL feature where the last iteration of a playthrough of a select chapter has its choices reflected in future

[drowsy saddle]

We keep moving a mug slightly differently each loop and that butterfly effects its way into also randomly moving Parvos Granum's mug into different places

[winged flume]

Now, I wonder if a timelocked thing given momentum (either kinetic force or other energy) once released will it have multiplied it's force or would it keep the same vector and velocity.

All this looped energy needs to sink somewhere and somewhen.

[drowsy saddle]

Indifference and some time in the foreseeable future

[visual ermine]

the kind of time prisons they’ve erected in Duviri and 1999 feel so bleak to me narratively. I was pretty disappointed when the kimchat text seemed to enforce the idea that Duviri just stays stagnant and we’re mostly helping out the loop out of a sense of pity despite nothing changing there.

Like if the loop continues forever but the actual people grow and change, that feels different to me, yknow? That’s still life in a way.

[restive river]

Duviri is meant to be stagnant
1999 is not

Thrax doesn’t really like change and the Drifter just wants a way out
Meanwhile in 1999 while time is looped it does affect the future and we do actually help the 10 people closest to us, which does change things

[lofty pewter]

okay how about something less confusing

How is Aoi talking about that couch being strong enough all the time, then being all "awee this is embarrassing" in the new year scene

[graceful swan]

You can find some things embarrassing and other things not embarrassing

[restive river]

^^

[drowsy saddle]

Is repeating the same new year really that different from a regular new year?

[tall echo]

If we throw a mug just right do we throw a mug at granum

[restive river]

Yesn’t

[drowsy saddle]

I think he'll wake up one day with a mug suddenly dropping on his face

[tall echo]

That's not aggressive enough >:(

[feral cape]

Different things are embarrassing

Especially in a relationship smaller things can feel more embarrassing than bigger things

[tall echo]

[feral cape]

Atleast in my experience

[tall echo]

[Insert "Very poor choice of words" gif here]

[feral cape]

Does loid nuke gifs?

[tall echo]

Mods do sometimes

[feral cape]

Fair nough

[tall echo]

-# (edited)

[feral cape]

What the

What is that

-# (edited)

Fascinating

[tall echo]

An echo

[winged flume]

I just can't wait to meet the proto frames of Protea and Mirage.

And Ember.

[lean garden]

-# (edited)

[feral cape]

Fascinating

[tall echo]

Odd choices

[graceful swan]

Fascinating
-# (edited)

[tall echo]

Well not protea but the other two

[glacial bough]

Ember is the furthest from an odd choice

[slow shale]

Anyone can help me locating Flare in operator's timeline?

[glacial bough]

They aren't

[graceful swan]

They said they are the Temple in our timeline or something like that not find me in the future

[lofty pewter]

Imma be real with you, it does said the future has been altered at the end of the hex (good ending)
So our time line is not the future of the 1999 anymore.

[slow shale]

after gifting me lizzie (shwazin) the inbox message says about a location in pluto, which i cannot find because there's no such node with that name.

[graceful swan]

1999 is the actual past though

[lofty pewter]

Was, but the 1999 in our timeline the hex didn’t make it.

[glacial bough]

No, it's still the same future. We've just changed the course of history in regards to the Hex.

[slow shale]

Any of you got the inbox message from flare yet?

[graceful swan]

1999 is the past of Operators timeline nothing changed there’s almost nothing left of Drifters timeline anyway the only changes in the future is coda getting there

[lofty pewter]

That would be more comprehensible.

[lofty pewter]

Yes

[glacial bough]

Flare is not in the future like Kaya

[slow shale]

Where is 'Terminus'?

[glacial bough]

Flare technically doesn't exist anymore

[graceful swan]

Ballas didn’t even decide to build Temple

He was too afraid

[lofty pewter]

My game is in Chinese, I’ll have to check that. Really it could be another way of saying “I’ll see you at the finish line”

[slow shale]

No, it was a specific location

[glacial bough]

Terminus is an actual place

Temple just isn't in the future like that

[lofty pewter]

I was wrong then.

[glacial bough]

There's no "finding them" like that as is

[slow shale]

But its not 'Terminus', its simple the outer part of it. Flare waits there in the 'Terminus'

[glacial bough]

The emails mention of it was about them joining in the Tenno Rebellion

[lofty pewter]

So it’s like another paradox? Ballas created Warframe then entrati brings the virus back to create proto frames which will later be discovered by Ballas?

[glacial bough]

No, it's not a paradox

Temple is not literally waiting at the Pluto Terminus, and could not have been discovered by Ballas or Albrecht for all that's known

[slow shale]

Waiting by hibernating, Lizzie will be the alarm clock

[glacial bough]

That's not what the email is saying

[tall echo]

It is

[slow shale]

I think its on the kim, i remember have read it somewhere ingame, i just got that email today

Something about hitch hiking a comet to pluto

[tall echo]

Inbox

[glacial bough]

Temple isn't waiting at Pluto Terminus, they were saying there'd be there for the Tenno Rebellion

Time travel on a comet the long way around, out of the solar system until it comes back around for the Rebellion

Current times, they're long gone

[slow shale]

I thought about hitch hiking a comet, i thought maybe it's Deimos? But Deimos isn't a comet, so maybe kuva fortress? Since its moving around? I don't think so. But then the Pluto name was mentioned, and a location called terminus. Hmmmm

[graceful swan]

Kuva Fortress isn’t a comet

[tall echo]

An unnamed comet

It's not important anyways

[slow shale]

Will the duo also move to the operator's timeline as well? 2 of them already gone.

[glacial bough]

No? No one is moving out of 1999

[slow shale]

Well lore wise Kaya have gone, its because drifter keeps on resetting timeline that they appear to be there

[graceful swan]

She’s only in both so there’s still a vendor

[glacial bough]

Kaya can travel back and forth, though she's still semi-bound to 99

[lofty pewter]

So remember the "everything is canon" lesson on zariman? There's a reality they left then there's this one

[slow shale]

Can you make a specter with protoframe skin? Do they have dialogue line as well when fighting?

[lofty pewter]

that's

actually a good idea

if it works tho

[slow shale]

I actually wants the protoframe as RJ crew.

[graceful swan]

Just use transference on them and take them to the future and be a RJ Captain

[lofty pewter]

I hope proto frames can do their own stuff like umbra did

[winged flume]

That would be so rad.

[lofty pewter]

i mean it would make more sense, they havent lost their mind yet

[proper barn]

Not hitch hiking. Literally going into basically cryo sleep. It won't be in the system until the night of Naga drums happens.

[lofty pewter]

what's locking them in place?

[proper barn]

No that's not the lesson.

If that's what you took away from eternalism then you're wrong.

[eternal ether]

would a question about the jade quest/lore go here or #spoiler-chat ?

[proper barn]

Here is fine. Oh to add extra context go to teshins Hill top in any relay and theirs extra jade logs.

[eternal ether]

ok, good to know, but my question:
was i picking up the implication correctly that the stalker/jade are your operator's parents? (because the scene with them together is a 1:1 match with the picture of your parents from zariman)

[lofty pewter]

took me 5 years to get my mechanical engineering degree so yeah, not the best student in the classroom

[proper barn]

They are not your parents.

[graceful swan]

You killed your parents

[lofty pewter]

primed reach

[tall echo]

Specters don't use cosmetics

[tall echo]

No

[proper barn]

The point is more "everything is possible and the future is as real as the present and past". Also it's mostly to explain why The Drifter exists.

[feral cape]

Id also like to specify a very important thing people seem to misunderstand everything that can happen under the current laws of physics is possible that means there will not be a universe in where 3=1

[lofty pewter]

isn't there this one question that you have to choose who to save between your parents and the answer is both of them make it and both of them died?

[tall echo]

Everything that could realistically happen does happen, but it's irrelevant because other realities can't be accessed

[proper barn]

Yes we'll the answer is their a outcome where they life and they die. The Void can make these unrealized outcomes real.

[eternal ether]

i'm re-watching the quests cutscenes. i swear i remember a scene where they're standing together in like red misty void holding the baby.

[tall echo]

The frame child is their only child

[eternal ether]

yeah no it was me mis-remembering the silouette scene

[silk sorrel]

Question/statement.

Me and my friends when we play a game, we like to immerse ourselves with character creation and write personal stories for them and such

But it’s really hard to do that in Warframe because it doesn’t really dive into what all is JUST for THE operator, and what’s universal.

Stuff like does every Warframe nowadays know they’re actually an operator, or is that just the one? Etc etc stuff like that. Hard to make a “lore accurate character” when a lot of stuff is vague

[strange plinth]

modern frames are all controlled by operators (except for stalker n a few others, which will be more obvious when you meet them)
post second dream, its reasonable to assume that (lore-wise) other operators do know that they're separate from the frame
due to the way the game works, your operator is the only one experiencing the big story bits, no others

[proper barn]

Certain warframes had no operator. Kullevro, Stalker, Jade had one but she just put them to sleep and did stuff operatorless. Dante didn't have a operator.

The prime lore is for the actual warframes as well.

Even If they have a operator.

Like Gara's lore is about someone being turned into a warframe.

Umbra didn't have a operator. Neither did Dagath

[gentle wave]

The efervon h-09 tank have a crew inside or why is the techrot inside?

[strange plinth]

based on arthur's dialog, viktor either isn't effectively protecting it from techrot, or intentionally experimented with it
if there's crew inside, they probably die during the phase transition

[drifting mirage]

He refers to "they" when talking about the tanks

[gentle wave]

Like the submarine implosion or... I don't wanna imagine more of that tank

[drifting mirage]

Viktor: "Good morning, Höllvania. How are all we today? Good? Excellent. To the point: you have become weak and you crave what only I can supply - discipline. The H. Oh. Nine. They are, by contrast, strong. They are fierce. And they are unyielding true soldiers. NOW: we begin the first step in returning the city to the strength and glory she once knew. Under my watchful gaze."

[gentle wave]

Well, anymore the crew Will die by a efervon leak

[tall echo]

??

[strange plinth]

that sounds more like he's just referring to plural tanks

[drifting mirage]

Yeah but also he calls the tanks soldiers which always weirds me out a lil

[tall echo]

Ah yes, tanks, my favorite soldiers

[drifting mirage]

Does he mean the crew? Does he mean he has more than one of these and he's losing his mind?

[normal mountain]

Or does he mean the tank has some sort of rudimentary AI pilot?

[tall echo]

Unlikely

[swift sentinel]

That reads like the tank is autonomous in some way

[strange plinth]

i wouldn't be surprised if he has multiple, tbf

[tall echo]

Why no roles

[gentle wave]

I remember a dialogue in he kills the egineering team with a revolver

[normal mountain]

That's a funny one

[tall echo]

In this server since 2019 and no roles

[drifting mirage]

He does allude to that

[gentle wave]

Yeah, funny. Until your boss kills You because a bad managedment on the weird bio orgánic computer in a tank

A tank that can shoot the most potent acid

[humble sierra]

Temple. The Temple warframe is what Flare is now. When they mention "Pluto Terminus" in the inbox message, they're referring to past events— that's where the Orokin slaughter took place, possibly centuries before the events of the game. They're just letting you know that they were there.

[tall echo]

"Most potent acid"

Can't even melt stone or metal

[gentle wave]

Necesidades del guion

[tall echo]

Ok

[sly ibex]

Viktor didn't intend the tanks to be taken over by Techrot. That's why one of his lines is about getting the engineer and his gun.

[flat otter]

I return after playing Veilbreaker, Angels of the Zariman and Whispers in the Walls. Wow. I've not done Jade Shadows yet, but like, wow.

Regarding Veilbreaker: I'm very, very happy to see Kahl-175 again. Great character! I love me an underdog. I don't know if I'd enjoy doing his bounty, I guess you could call it? But yeah, very fun quest.

Angels of the Zariman was a quest that left me with way more questions than answers. Whispers in the Walls is in the same vein there, too.

Just to be clear: the Holdfasts are dead, right? But, if that's the case, how do they linger? Are they preserved by the Void, and simultaneously preserving themselves despite its pervasive song?

[strange plinth]

if you don't really like the kahl missions, you only have to do 5 for max rank, and a couple more if you want all of the archon mods

angels and whispers: yeah. they answer some, and leave more in the dark, rank up their respective syndicates is all i can say

[strange plinth]

they're void constructs, yeah. the original people they're embodying are long dead.
your "light" keeps them away from the angels' song

[lean garden]

Holdfasts were dead yes, that lil factoid has little sway over how they continue to "live" now

[flat otter]

Oh cool! And it's good that there are some answers there at least. Not that I'm bothered by the mystery of it all, ofc

How does our light preserve them? If the quest covered that, I don't think I recall it.

Also, ty for clarifying ^^

[lean garden]

Our light isnt preserving them, its helping them not turn into angels

[flat otter]

(about them being dead and what they are now)

[flat otter]

Oh, gotcha

[lean garden]

Their issue isnt about going back to being dead, their issue is turning into an angel

[flat otter]

Yeaaah, I wouldn't want to turn into one either tbh

[proper barn]

Conceptual embodiment. Also the Void can make things not really die. Look at operator/drifter.

How many times have they died?

[flat otter]

Also: met Albrecht and Loid! Very interesting characters. Tons of mystery there though.

[flat otter]

Faiiir

[proper barn]

The song is "wally" but the Void itself is what is keeping them alive. If you rank up with them they instead of using the like song or the passive Zariman Void that is corrupting them they use your Void presence. Which is a REALLY REALLY bright light apparently. Also they do see both the Drifter and operator.

[flat otter]

See, conceptual embodiment is something I thought about during Whispers in the Walls, especially when we were up against the massive statue. Was it an embodiment of the resentment Loid held against Albrecht, amplified/"personified" by the Void, or is its own thing? Is it a third thing, even? They were panicked about the Indifference encroaching, after all

[flat otter]

Oh cool!!

Damn, I wanna rank up just to provide them with my Void

Poor souls

[proper barn]

They also lose the corruption

[flat otter]

AW

[proper barn]

On their faces. You should also @flat otter level ip the cavia they explain their backstories way more.

It's very sad.

[flat otter]

God, I bet

I'm gonna take my sweet time with these syndicates, because reputation grinds in games burn me out like nothing else, but I can't wait

[proper barn]

Sure.

Zariman is the easiest.

[strange plinth]

wally was possessing a vessel, reminding loid of albrecht's love pushed it away
it feeds off of negative emotions, which the labs were full of

[proper barn]

Cuz its just do a good Bounty and always find the sleeping angle.

[strange plinth]

zariman is also fantastic for focus farming

[flat otter]

Ohhh, I see

I was sad that Wally didn't manifest as a literal wall this time, but there were still some scenes I found positively suffocating. 10/10 'character,' I bloody love the Void

(Also, good, I need Focus haha)

Dante seems interesting! Can't wait to find out more about him

I'm excited to continue with the Lotus Eaters. I don't know if I'm jumping into the quest after that right away, since 1999 seems very much like a rabbit hole that I'm not ready for, but yeah!

One thing I'm eager to find out is whether or not Albrecht has actually gotten corrupted by the Void. No reason to think he hasn't, given what I saw of him, but you never know

[woven coyote]

You sure he didnt manifest as a wall ?
Have you looked around the skybox of the corrupted parts of the map?

[flat otter]

Oh he did?!

I haven't, no!

[tall echo]

Gamers don't look up

A universal law

[flat otter]

LOL

I look up in most other games, at least

Saw the lower portion of it in the cutscene, at least! But yeah. Maybe I can still see it in-game

[tall echo]

I usually turn my camera slightly towards the ground for some reason

[woven coyote]

With some warframes i have i do it just so i can actually see whats in front

Please DE some frames really need repositioned crosshairs

[woven coyote]

Well the short of it is he is the corrupted parts of the map and the murmur are his fragments

[tall echo]

I do it in all games for as long as I can remember

[flat otter]

Oh I see! The corrupted parts were cool as hell tbh

[woven coyote]

Yeah

[flat otter]

But hell yeah

[woven coyote]

You can see the classic literal man in the wall face throughout the skybox too

And above the sanctum too

[flat otter]

Say, are the Indifference and the Void the same, or different?

[flat otter]

I can't wait to see it

[strange plinth]

different names
though Indifference is more for wally than the void

[flat otter]

Ah

[tall echo]

Different but same but not

[woven coyote]

Yeah we dont really know how much of wally really is the void

But he certainly controls parts of it for sure

[flat otter]

But isn't Wally just how the Void manifests for us?

[tall echo]

Indifference is just wally

[flat otter]

Oh!

[woven coyote]

Parvos(maybe) and duviri would be examples of regions he doesnt control

[tall echo]

Wally is a manifestation from the void, possibly created from albrecht's fear during his last void expedition

[flat otter]

Ahah

Very interesting! Ty

[winged flume]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9LRDpTpRhuw?si=DW3rftSFYqff236w

What needed to play when the Vessel gives Loid the peace sign was a 90s hip hop beat, that then either fades into an RnB style music during the credits or it picks up more of the hip hop.

Like dramatic Whispers music up to... peace sign: cue hip hop. Credits.

Nah?

[lean garden]

I would say the Indifference is a subset of the Void. The drifter loves to use it interchangeably but they usually are very clear when its the void in general or void as in wally

[flat otter]

Fair! Ty

[humble sierra]

Nah I agree some fun little 1999 beat to make it obvious to the player it's the Drifter giving an all clear. Something like the "This is What You Are" guitar bit right before Arthur says "Bring on the hellfire" before the Excalibur duel, but more lighthearted

[winged flume]

I was just hoping for some of that 90s action flick style endings where it adds in that gratuitous pop music.

Like; Men in Black.

Off the top of my head, I'm sorry.

[brittle siren]

wait so Kaya chat can't be reset?

because she out of the loop?

[humble sierra]

It should be resettable, no?

Actually no nevermind there's a bug right now

Because the first chat of a new year will be her birthday message

For whatever reason you can't get anything after that

[brittle siren]

or maybe it's intended?

like she literally escape the loop

[brittle siren]

also what do you mean "can't get anything"?

[restive river]

*first

[restive river]

For gameplay she can I’m sure

[brittle siren]

so if reset, the Kaya in Laruda will not there anymore?

[restive river]

I would assume?
I didn’t reset cause I got everyone’s good ending

[brittle siren]

same, I don't want bad ending too

(I could just watch youtube for that )

[restive river]

Lol

[brittle siren]

oh wait the kim website have that too

[restive river]

Yes it do

[north ferry]

I'm probably going to reset eventually but I'm waiting for finish off the last couple of messages, then I'll be able to find out.

[humble sierra]

Apparently if you reset, Kaya only has the birthday chat and the rest are bugged and don't trigger

Even though birthday chats are meant to be secondary (so you can have two chats with that person)

[brittle siren]

huh

yeah that sound like a bug

[plain reef]

Bit of a weird theory but what if the indifference is trying to understand emotions due to spending so much time with Rell maybe that is why we can beat it with love like the love Margullis gave

[misty roost]

I just realized something. With the new chair decor, Wally's appearances in the Orbiter are confirmed to be purely psychological. Because Drifter only associates Wally with the chair, Wally only appears in the chair. But that would mean the Operator associates Wally with the entirety of the Orbiter, minus the side rooms, since he doesn't appear there. In fact, some positions we find him in would imply Wally can't go into those rooms. The only thing that throws this theory out the window is the Drifter camp. that one makes no sense.

maybe the Operator is just scarred to see Wally in general, but Drifter only sees him in the chair. So Wally's appearances are moreso a result of trauma.

[proper barn]

Rell understands good emotions and love.

[misty roost]

The indifference doesn't understand emotions because it comes from a different kind of reality

[proper barn]

He just can't describe them or recognize them fully.

[proper barn]

He can understand them very well. It's how he gets to people. The only holdfasts in the Zariman are all people with no kids.

[lean garden]

Definitely understands how to feel good making other people feel small tho

[woven coyote]

Honestly my bet's on the decoration just being a nod to how troublesome that thing was during development
The description is too joke like imo

[charred wind]

Hey Tenno, can someone explain to me why we can’t use our necramech in Höllvania?! I mean, we can “transfer” the motorcycle to our present but we can’t “transfer” the necramech to warframe 1999?!

[strange plinth]

lore-wise, necramech is shown to only be usable in certain environments
lotus explicity mentions "the circulus's proximity" lets you use it for those two lua missions
they have to be brought in by loid to be used in the labs

[graceful swan]

Necramech is too big to get thorough Helminths mouth

[strange plinth]

i also like that explanation

[digital grail]

Proto necramech made out of techrot and scrap

[restive river]

It’s also just not made of infested material lol

[sly ibex]

The Proto one is!

I love the look of that thing. 😄 All the DS-looking stuff.

[tribal heron]

Hi random question but for Protea Prime's trailer, does Parvos choke Ballas at the line of "Even the Entrati-"?

Been listening to it on repeat for voice practice and wondered why Ballas sounds so raspy by the end of the trailer ("What shall we name her then, this child of two fathers?" line specifically)

[graceful swan]

No, he just put on a more evil sounding voice

[silk atlas]

He also just doesn't like Parvos much

[graceful swan]

Don’t blame him considering him stealing and then blowing up his frames

[silk atlas]

"Please build a frame for me Ballas 🥺"

[limber abyss]

when i make them remember at new year. do i only make the hex remember or am i making the whole world remember?

[old dome]

everyone,, including the new protos