gameplay-discussion

[rocky breach]

but you can do as many attempts as you want

no need to do prac runs anymore

[compact sable]

this guy sums it up perfectly for me tbh

but perhaps DE doesn't nerf rev's 2 because his playrate would disappear if they did lol

[rocky breach]

tbf, why wouldnt you just rev in the coda confrontation

[compact sable]

exactly lol

I've complained about this quite a few times before

if you're familiar with game theory terms, mesmer skin is what you would call a 'degenerate strategy'

[rocky breach]

you're time gated for the most part, the telegraphs for the stage stuff is bad
so you just cast mesmer and go afk until they jump off stage

[compact sable]

i.e. a strategy that is so much more effective and efficient than other equally possible options that people just naturally flock to it in large numbers because from a game theoretical sense it basically doesnt make sense to do anything else

[rocky breach]

meta

will always happen

[compact sable]

metas can still be varied overall, though that does happen with the immense weapon pool wf has

though I suppose magistar is another example of it

but yeah this valkyr rework is not it

she didn't need more damage, she already had 50% base CC and could output absolutely crazy numbers from the exalted change

[covert lily]

I’m still kind of baffled by the decision to warp the whole game around mesmer skin being buffed, but eh

[rocky breach]

im surprised they didnt revert mesmer buffs a bit

[compact sable]

what she needed was new abilities but they're still the same

[rocky breach]

sure having no invuln was bad, getting melted after that eximus rework
but 1sec per charge is way too much now

0.25-0.5sec would be better, especially since OG gate is only 0.5sec

[compact sable]

also idk why we are just fine with totally ignoring levelcap players lmao

because there are likely more of those than valk mains

[rocky breach]

well originally if you were good enough for level cap, it meant you were able to adapt

[compact sable]

yes but this is a levelcap change

[rocky breach]

but with the current power creep, its not really a challenge anymore

[compact sable]

and it's going to make peoplpe just not play valkyr anymore

they aren't going to "adapt", they're just going to drop her for someone else because her niche is gone and that's why she was played

which I suppose is adapting but not exactly in the way they probably mean

[rocky breach]

the diehard valk enjoyers will still give it a go

[compact sable]

sure but it's a massive push factor

[covert lily]

I would say it’s not great content to design the game around, but on the other hand im not really sure what the basis of power in warfrsme is these days

[rocky breach]

its like the khora mains, they complained heaps after the exalted/pseudo changes
and a few are still khoraing, the rest moved on to gara/atlas/etc

[compact sable]

the thing is, non-cap content is somewhat famously very much "anything is viable"

so why did she need more damage? lol

[rocky breach]

level cap is a player driven thing, with how bad/casual the majority of WF players are, its def not a good idea to balance around, take into account? sure, but not balance around.

just look at all the whining about EDA/ETA cos they suddenly have something they cant auto run through

[compact sable]

they don't balance around the base game either tbf

in fact they don't do much balancing at all

[covert lily]

I mean making things casually accessible is a big part of why any kit is popular

[compact sable]

she still has effectively the same kit, and if anything, she's more complex than before

before, you were just invulnerable while in hysteria, now you have to worry about rage stacks

[covert lily]

I dont know its enough to make her more popular but youll be more lazy survivable outside of endurance and grouping makes everything better

[quaint brook]

Funny enough, if a triumbral qoncrete block can run eta, then a triumbral kitty can run eta too

[stone notch]

Mesmer Skin being left the way it is is proof enough, 2025 DE would have kneecapped anything that looks similar to that lol

[compact sable]

exactly lmao

its just so sad to see the first invuln frame in the game lose her invuln but mesmer skin gets to stay

[stone notch]

I am for new Valkyr though 😶

[rocky breach]

was kinda funny seeing the before and after for rev after the archon patch when mesmer got the 1sec invuln

went from one of the lowest played, to suddenly matching wukong during the aoe meta

[covert lily]

I prefer it as a design tbh, it gets back to the roots of the kit using damage to resustain. Infinite energy flattened that whole sspect

[compact sable]

rev literally is just the most played frame period lol

he has been for like, a couple years in a row now

[quaint brook]

Rev mains when vay heks ogris turns off their mesmer skin

[lyric drum]

also, what should i do with my relics, i am running some relics, and with my overlay i am seiing all i got is vaulted

and i shouldnt run vaulted just like that...

[quaint brook]

DE should just introduce an alternative mode akin to steel path where abilities are disabled but you get 1.5x of everything

[rocky breach]

i think combined (prime+base) wukong is still number 1

[compact sable]

no offence but that is an awful idea

[rocky breach]

but rev is top3

[compact sable]

why? just to make every frame a gun platform?

[stone notch]

That's how I feel about it too

[quaint brook]

I'll make it worse, its going to be called "Vay Hek mode" and all you can use is the volatile ogris

5x boost to every reward

[compact sable]

i'd be curious to see how these stats check out without china in the mix because they love wukong

[stone notch]

We finally get a closer feel to a berserker. I think they tried not to step on Garuda's toes which is why there aren't any low health-related mechanics in the kit

[quaint brook]

I take full offence,

WHY IS THIS MAGGOT STILL BREATHING MY AIR

[quaint brook]

garuda doesnt have low health mechanics for a long time now

[stone notch]

Well yeah, but the original vision lol

[orchid mist]

harrow is funny

[covert lily]

I did have more fun with the self damage ogris than ive had in a while. Too bad self-damage still isn’t strong enough to defeat new shield gating

[stone notch]

The big 2025 and Staticor self stagger still hasn't been removed

[fathom cipher]

harrow is funny

[covert lily]

What’s the next content looking like by the way? I’ve found myself kind of tuckered out by time shenanigans so was hoping for something a little off from that in the setting

[rocky breach]

duviri 2.0 before tennocon i think i twas

wf only, no drifter

[covert lily]

Huh

Wasn’t expecting to get back there so quick

At this point im not really sure looking at past developments really preps you for where the game might go lol

[quaint brook]

well, albrecht did say duviri would be important in the future

[covert lily]

Yeah but im used to waiting half a decade for that kinda talk to mean anything

[supple inlet]

Were there a bunch of people ranting about Valkyr earlier today?
I feel like we need to buff Armor function, cause most people that I saw complaining, were complaining about the 4 changes.

[quaint brook]

"were"? more like right now

[rocky breach]

for normal levels of play (sub 1k), it looks more than fine

[fathom cipher]

yeah people are sad that valkyr lost her 4 invuln

[rocky breach]

its only really endurance where people were unhappy

[fathom cipher]

mhm

[quaint brook]

which as we've noted, is a really small sliver of the playerbase

[rocky breach]

you can already health tank that high on non tank specific frames

[fathom cipher]

ok i gotta wait 1 hr and 45 mins for my volt to be done subsuming then im slapping koumei in there

[supple inlet]

oh. fair enough. to be fair the negative crowd is always louder... we love that.

I personally like the changes though.

[covert lily]

Damage life gate has i think a 3 second timer proposed so Im not sure thats even gonna be very hard to do in endurance

[quaint brook]

imo it really comes down to the rage generation

[rocky breach]

for new players, valk already felt clunky and dated, so having their experience be better/having a more cohesive kit is good

[quaint brook]

because you only need like 210 rage to have the gate up

[supple inlet]

subject to change though, remember. could be lower threshold on release, especially with feedback

[quaint brook]

and the one video we have doesnt tell us much, cuz it was pablo at 233 rage, oneshotting a crowd to hit max 300 rage, which tells us nothing at all

[rocky breach]

yeah if rage gen is scaleable with dur/str or whatever, then it could be perfectly fine or even overtuned to be too easy...or undercooked and bad, no way to tell til its done

[covert lily]

I think if its not too hard to gen with body density and you just stick on another easy gate subsume itll be quite easy but yeah time will tell on that specific

[quaint brook]

ooh one thing I think needs particular tuning is what her augments do now

because paralysis and warcry dont need her augments for QoL now

[supple inlet]

could scale it with efficiency too, but strength would be more convenient

[rocky breach]

they could also give different rage gens depending on how the kills happen, gun/melee/claws/etc

[quaint brook]

warcry is recastable, so like dont need eternal war to upkeep up, unless you just want energy maintanence and 1 groups so paralysis augment isnt necessary

[onyx current]

its me, endurance valkyr enjoyer

[rocky breach]

pablos been pretty good on stuff for the most part

[onyx current]

im pissed bro what even is this shit

[supple inlet]

Claws give most surely

[quaint brook]

quick check, does influence kills proc things like melee dexterity?

[rocky breach]

i did my 1 solo valk run, did my 10min vid, then never did it again lol

[rocky breach]

counts as melee kills

[onyx current]

yeah ok DE approved wholesome nyxsimilate is allowed but the invulnerability frame has it removed

awesome

[fathom cipher]

hi me too

[quaint brook]

in that case by the power vested in me by the almighty spaghetti, influence kills will likely count to rage generation

[rocky breach]

inb4 influence nerf

[supple inlet]

ngl I'm already falling asleep when I see an Influence build now, and it's been like what a few months?

[rocky breach]

more like a year+, end of 2023 it was added

its just that everyone was doing 12x crescendo

[onyx current]

like yeah ok valkyr is better for ETA level and below with less investment

[rocky breach]

so it wasnt completely meta at the time

[onyx current]

but really man

[rocky breach]

after galv melee mods were added (and the slight wukong slam nerf), people started to branch out a bit

[quaint brook]

arcane battery on future valkyr will give 2000+ energy

[quiet oriole]

Multiplayer quest confirmed?

[covert lily]

Seems to be a mission node

[quaint brook]

wait no, I didnt do the strength calculations right

[supple inlet]

also, the Slam changes are fine.
I feel like if you were using macros, why even bother having a monitor? Play idle games lol

[rocky breach]

return of slamkong, cloud up, slam down

[quaint brook]

Total new kitty armour:
935 x (1+1.8+(1.5x3.71))=7821.275
Arcane Battery: 7821.275x0.3= 2345.3825
2345.3825+225=2571.3825 energy

[supple inlet]

or literally just bullet jump up

[rocky breach]

too slow

[onyx current]

all that energy and still dead to 3 stray bullets at 9999

:D

[quaint brook]

Sounds like you can do a war cry

or just cry

[rocky breach]

just cry

[supple inlet]

I'm starting to remember why I mostly avoid community interaction. It's been about what I expected

[rocky breach]

wonder if theyll tweak the animation speeds (since ripline is getting updated), cos some of valks stuff looks good but is a bit long/clunky

it helped caliban feel nicer when they sped his stuff up

[leaden obsidian]

Wdym

[storm oak]

I'd def be here for this. Valk should be a shred machine by description alone but she feels slower than she should, if that makes sense?

[quaint brook]

slower as in ability wise?

[quaint brook]

from the video it feels like ripline is faster, what do you think about that?

[leaden obsidian]

The rework should fix it

[rocky breach]

ripline looks usable, but i still think its gonna be subsume slot (if other skill buffs are decent)

[quaint brook]

the patch notes also mentions changing the animation classes for valks casting to prevent her from stopping

[storm oak]

Mostly just animations, maybe? op is right, things feel a little clunky as is, and slow.

[rocky breach]

oh nice

[marsh linden]

I think pablo called out something about hysterias animations

[quaint brook]

Honestly it might give way to the standard wrathful, but it likely requires the paralysis augment to make up for grouping

[covert lily]

Paralysis buffs as mini gloom/vunerability/grouping through status effect on augment means probably.

I don’t really see myself caring to add anything to kit if grouping and energy is super easy now

[stone notch]

I've done the math with her new stats and the 3x Hysteria Warcry armor buff, she has 95% DR with a decent build, sounds pretty good to me

[leaden obsidian]

That just from her base armor and warcry?

[quaint brook]

only 95% Im getting like 99.995%

[stone notch]

She'll also be immune to status which means you won't get holes punched in you while you stack up Adaptation

[supple inlet]

yeah I think it looks good, but also I don't do endless shit so...
I do get it on that side but MOST players really aren't gonna touch that, and they aren't gonna make shit JUST for the endless crowd, hate to say.

[leaden obsidian]

Or like adaptation, health conversion, triumbral, and whatever armor mods she can get and like max str

[stone notch]

That's with the standard Umbral trio, Transient Fortitude, Molt Augmented

[rocky breach]

qt/rage/battery candidate

[stone notch]

I hope they buff up the range numbers though. It's her least important stat and she's already "forced" to use 3 for Umbral mods

[leaden obsidian]

Damn

[quaint brook]

Armour: 7821.275
Armour DR: 7821.275/Armour+300 = ~0.963
Net DR: 1-((1-Armour DR)x(1-Adaptation Max))= 0.9963

[quaint brook]

oh thats a fair point

[stone notch]

I'm thinking of using Arcane Ultimatum for a flat 1200

should be easy with Paralysis

[covert lily]

Feels things will be pretty gravy for her tbh. I’ll mainly miss the threat of murdering myself with 4 if i turn off my brain entirely.

[quaint brook]

oh wait reaper might be quite good for valkyr

[quaint brook]

ah damn I cant remember the proper maths for it

I need to dig up my chroma qt/rage/battery build

I'm half sure that this valkitty severly outclasses that chroma build

since I dont recall my energy going over 2k, meaning that the armour value wasnt as high as what kitty could produce

[stone notch]

I think if Ripline scales with the upcoming slam damage formula then it'll be a really strong room cleaner since you can forgo strength mods for more range

[onyx current]

i mean, they could have just.... kept it the same?

they didnt tap down any of the abilities for the other recent reworks iirc

and certainly didnt gut any of em

[quaint brook]

Thats not what all the khora and gara staunch supporters were saying

[onyx current]

ah i meant like ash, trin, nyx

but yeah its basically still invuln for lower levels they just said fk cascaders lmao

[quaint brook]

Trin and nyx not so much, but I recall the outcry about changing ash's 4 to hit once instead of 3 times

which considering, is way more of a nonsensical complaint than having invul removed

[fathom cipher]

alright next frame i grab is hydroid prime

[onyx current]

yeah, ash 4 can onetap everything now so

buff for endurance

[stone notch]

Totally depends on how quick Rage builds up

[onyx current]

idk already moved my purple shards to ivara to abuse glaive brainrot

[stone notch]

If you hit 75% from one Ripline, it's a pretty nothing change

[quaint brook]

ok so I looked at the pablo video itself, its 3% per like what? 2 hits, Im still trying to determine how much you get on a kill

[onyx current]

seems to me like 3% for a kill 15 for finisher

i expect values to change

[quaint brook]

I think theres something off about the video, because pabs was getting 3% per hit since for some reason he wasnt killing anything, but when he killed one he got... nothing?

[rocky breach]

will also depend on if its modified by str/eff/dur

[quaint brook]

hits are supposed to give less than kills

[fathom cipher]

put em on mirage for that multiplicative buff 🙏

[onyx current]

fr...

[stone notch]

They should bake in Enraged to her 3 second timer so she gets one last big fight in

[onyx current]

im a glaive hipster (xoris instead of falcor)

[fathom cipher]

im a falcor person

well more zaw but wtv

[onyx current]

falcor is absolutely better but lmao

[stone notch]

Kestrel Incarnon when

[fathom cipher]

tenet falcor when

[quaint brook]

ok yea something not adding up, at one point he hits 51% by hitting a target, but when it dies he got nothing, so evidently the showcase aint working out right

unless the idea is "melee hits grant the least amount of rage" and "kills grant a small amount of rage" and theyre the same number

which I highly doubt thats what theyre going to ship with

[stone notch]

Yeah the Rage buildup looks pretty weak, maybe some big boosts to the bar if you activate 1/2/3?

[quaint brook]

https://youtu.be/plgJuKcu14g?t=166
yea at this time stamp you can see pabs hit 39% before the target dies and he gets nothing after it dies

So I cant even use the showcase to determine the gain

[quaint brook]

I'm getting conviced that the workshop showcase is not working at all

[pearl parcel]

hey bau, zoe just told me about this new system called pf2e

its perfect for concrete

[quaint brook]

oh God no I get it now

its 1% per melee hit and 3% per kill

the bar just doesnt update per 1%

thats is quite weak

[rocky breach]

could be limited to 3% per sec or something, unless its a kill

cos hes doing like 10 hits, only gains 6%

but gets a group kill and goes up 30%

[quaint brook]

looks more like it really only updates per multiples of 3

[rocky breach]

all subject to change i guess

[quaint brook]

actually wait

oh something might be different here

[stone notch]

It's a bit telling that Pablo doesn't even reach 75% throughout the entire video... I know it's a showcase

[leaden obsidian]

Waited long enough

[rocky breach]

yeah just UI jank/not finalized

[quaint brook]

the ripline video on the workshop

it goes from 233 to 300

so thats about a 67% increase

all that was done was a ripline melee onshot

[stone notch]

https://youtu.be/plgJuKcu14g?si=L4XvyjNR03qZUygv&t=351

this part should be an instant bar filler

[supple willow]

This'll sound random but anyone know who won the Protoframe contest? Thought it was gonna be today DE announce the winners but checked the time.. was meant to be 1st of May lol

[quaint brook]

wait wait compare this to the ripline segment here: https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1453670-dev-workshop-isleweaver-valkyr-rework/

thanks

[marsh linden]

I would assume there was a forum post
Maybe even a segment during a prime time

[stone notch]

Ah, probably because they were killing blows

[quaint brook]

thats 67% (or more) for 20 enemies in an instant

[rocky breach]

so 100% they messing with numbers a lot lol

[supple willow]

Yeah it would've been on PrimeTime

[marsh linden]

I think they tend to announce community contest results during prime time

[quaint brook]

which tallies, since 3%x20 is already 60

[old spruce]

so what's the vibe check on the valkyr rework?

[supple willow]

Trying to find out who won lol

[quaint brook]

thinking:
60%+20%=80%

repeat 3 times to clear 75% rage

[rocky breach]

could be different rage values based on enemy type too, cos they have normal, mid, heavy units, maybe eximus bonuses

[stone notch]

everything was buffed up, people are iffy on 4 because her invincibility was moved to a passive instead of a energy-dependant one(infinite duration)

[supple willow]

Found it

[quaint brook]

Based on this that move made 36 hits

[supple willow]

I should've brainstormed mine more XD

[covert lily]

Oh they’re putting daikyu prime in, lol. Kicking another off our playerbase’s weird hang up wishlist

[quaint brook]

Honestly based on feedback they could bump from 3% per kill to 5%

[old spruce]

what's a good gun build for Gyre cause i have like zero guns built

[quaint brook]

SHES COMING WITH DAIKYU PRIME???

[leaden obsidian]

Nah

[stone notch]

Magistar and Kestrel Prime not being a thing yet is insane

[quiet oriole]

Really? Seems pretty quick just tapping space bar and then middle mouse button.

[marsh linden]

After years we will finally have it

[quiet oriole]

What about Kompressa, it ain’t Yareli without Kompressa

[rocky breach]

she gets kompressa and daikyu

[leaden obsidian]

Kompressa is getting a non prime

[quiet oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc3-lets-rock-gif-24247042

[covert lily]

I feel they might add another passive to daikyu. Dunno what kind of stats you can add to the bow to make it something people care about in this era

[quiet oriole]

={

So… Like… Kompressa Vandal???

[quiet oriole]

As long as it’s fun I don’t care what it can do

[leaden obsidian]

Nah, kompresscant

[quiet oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-amazed-curious-masked-the-duviri-paradox-gif-14614552

[marsh linden]

It was already focused on headshots iirc so maybe even more of that

[quaint brook]

Make it ricochet on headshot

[leaden obsidian]

Wait, I should mean kantpressa

[quiet oriole]

So give Daikyu Prime builtin Aimbot?

[quick granite]

What does it mean i need tag for making a post in player help player

[marsh linden]

Was thinking more of a buff for headshots like maybe charge speed or something

But honestly no idea

[quiet oriole]

Literally need A tag

[marsh linden]

Might also not have anything

[rocky breach]

select one of those tags

[quiet oriole]

You can tell it’s A tag because of the tag-shaped icon

[covert lily]

Maybe they’ll give it infinite body punch through and call it a day and then release an incarnon lol

[quick granite]

Ohk

[stone notch]

curious on what happens to Eternal War, it wasn't mentioned at all in the dev workshop

since Warcry is recastable now, seems redundant

[covert lily]

Still a valuable time saver especially if you’re probably running transient fortitude.

Maybe a little more build flex. I’m probably not running triumbral Valkryr or the 4 augment still and probably taking leap off

[stone notch]

Actually I think it should just be baseline, considering her entire kit is now focused on endless killing

[lyric drum]

and damm, right when i come back i get a 75%

and i dont have the cash for it

is warframe desperate?

[placid turtle]

steal the cash

[lyric drum]

I wouldnt mind give this deal to anyone, but ig thats against the rules anyway

[stone notch]

I've never really got the point of Enraged because it gets an equally long cooldown, but I feel like it would be fun if it had an additional effect with the rework, like Enraged automatically activates when you revive with 75% Rage so you can possibly upkeep it forever

[covert lily]

It’s probably easier to fit in now, but I’ve never needed the extra damage and especially won’t with rage passive

Plus all the arcane nonsense and mod buffs. How much deader do you think something gets

[pearl parcel]

hey sapi, i just learned of a great new system, its better than dnd

[stone notch]

yeah that, plus the triple armor buff further disincentivizes turning off 4 in my eyes

[compact sable]

this would be the way i would go with it imo

keeping a high enough kpm means youre perma-invuln which is basically her intended playstyle anyway

[covert lily]

Pathfinder, Powered by the apocalypse, Lasers and Feelings?

[pearl parcel]

pathfinder

it makes my character Concrete so much more interesting, i get options without homebrew to throw creatures, perform unique attacks while grappling, and have improved unarmed as i do stuff

[stone notch]

I think it would have been cool if Ripline had a tap hold function, like tap for gathering+grapple, hold to melee wildly around you

Like a quick way to gather up Rage

[edgy atlas]

I gotta say... Melee Vortex doesn't get nearly enough love.....

It synergizes nicely with my Warcry Baruuk using Okina Primes Incarnon form, but I'm thinking of maybe even putting it on what are traditionally slower chunkier weapons. The new Coda Motovore comes to mind as an immediate contender, with some of it's bonuses. Penant was also seen to be nuts with it's attack speed on heavy attack ability. The stun on Vortex is so satisfying, opening up enemies to finishers and really makes you feel like dynasty warriors one swing hits an entire crowd just at the ready and put up on the baseball tee.

I do have a few qualms with it however. One being that it pulls all the enemies into the point of what you just killed instead of right in front of you, yeah that's kinda the point, but if you're moving forward: sometimes they can fly past you a little. The second is that it's a tad bit finicky with your weapons status weighting. You need to procc the magnetic to get it to pull consistently, but the more you might feel driven to add to it like blast or heat, means the more statuses are around to contest the pool for the weapon to draw from.

[covert lily]

Whoa

[edgy atlas]

I think to myself alot srry

[covert lily]

Yes melee vortex is good though lol

[steep wagon]

does melee duplicate work with atlas landslide???

[covert lily]

Damage and grouping are both kind of easy to come by these days but the flex for weapons which need one or the other makes it helpful

[rocky breach]

yes but its not really worth it, since you need to stay around 130-140% crit chance
and just bloodrush will get you to ~190% crit, with galv steel taking you to ~230%

[steep wagon]

yea i figured

[rocky breach]

influence/afflictions will improve clear/QOL
maybe duplicate could potentially be optimized for single target, but you lose the clear

[pearl parcel]

zoe also told me of a common house rule: you can use stolen enemy weapons but they break after combat, then i made this

[magic oriole]

Quick question does a resource drops chance booster affect cryotic?

[pearl parcel]

yes

[magic oriole]

awesome

[willow bluff]

What y'all think the augments will be for?
Will anyone among kullervo, citrine, or jade get augment for their subsume ability?

[pure gulch]

drop chance won’t afaik, but resource booster and the retriever mods will

[fathom cipher]

chance? or boost? chance then no, but if its the 2x resource one then yes

[magic oriole]

I was hoping that chance would yeah

[primal bolt]

Hey guys, does anyone have a torid build for ember?

[hollow sparrow]

Perhaps in #builds-discussion

[rocky lance]

Hi

[maiden tide]

HELLO WORLD

[austere forge]

Hi

[neat shadow]

DE, are you watching me for warframe concepts at this point?

I suggest a sniper warframe with very familiar abilities, and a .50 cal. Year after, Cyte is released, startlingly similar to my suggestion.

Next, I suggest a hunter frame that can walk on walls, and thrives off of executions. And look at Oraxia's niche

Pick up the phone, because I called it

[neat shadow]

well, if you really are listening to me (for some reason), Ace protoframe when?

@fathom cipher a fellow enjoyer of garlic bread in the wild??

[fathom cipher]

i do like me some garlic bread

i have some in the fridge rn

[neat shadow]

I keep finding fellow aces in the craziest places lmao

[chrome ruin]

can someone spoil this for me (techrot encore update spoilers)
|| i know the good endings for kaya and the viral duo but what am i aiming for with flare? i just pissed them off by suggesting they actually consider working alongside lizzie but that felt like the wrong thing to do||

[pseudo forge]

||that's right. compromise between them. but flare needs reassurance that they aren't going to lose themself if they give in||

[chrome ruin]

thank you!

i couldnt decide the best option as all 3 paths felt equally valid

[placid turtle]

If you struggle, there's a website called Kimulacrum where you can see all dialogue options

[frail heath]

Did anyone know that if you are on zephyr, on the cosmetic screen, you can play a type of flappy bird by interacting with the z load out?

[dry thunder]

You can do what when doing what now

[fathom cipher]

secret gamemode for zephyr

its like flappy bird but zephyr

u get to it by going into zephyrs loadout in the arsenal

theres a button

[dry thunder]

peak

[whole turret]

Is there any other opportunity to get the tonkat if I missed it or do I have to wait for the next event?

[fathom cipher]

oh shoot i hit 1k hours on wf woop woop

[frail heath]

What's the easiest way to farm edo?

[tranquil kayak]

Stuck on this screen I feel like I'm gonna have to play the mission again

Yep I was right. Damn it

[lofty garden]

they are replaying the events one more time next weekend

and then after that it will be obtainable other ways

[keen shard]

Hey I read somewhere syams wave thing doesn't work on tennokai. Is it still like that

[fiery valve]

Idk

[tranquil kayak]

I have really underrated Nekros my god

Even without Arcane Camisado, his 2 not only full strips but makes enemies stop attacking him, and his 4 scales with enemy level

His 3 giving loot is just a bonus

Camisado is always maxed out because 4's summons attack all the time which allows Roar or Eclipse, or any other subsume, over 1 to be even stronger

And if it works the way I think it does, Roar also buffs his summons to do even more damage

[leaden obsidian]

I’d imagine eclipse and roar both buff the damage of his 4

[oak pond]

Hey guys just curios how often is the event that boost credits active? And any idea when it would come?

[sudden tendon]

It rarely occurs

[oak pond]

Ohhh I see thanks for letting me know

[sudden tendon]

The only one i know of that always comes is the ani one

[sudden tendon]

Np

[oak pond]

I see thanks man

[pure gulch]

well that was fast

[hard egret]

Whats a good way to farm duviri resources? Do i just go solo on the story, do my farming then complete the story?

[tulip magnet]

I usually go solo non-SP duviri experience, get the 2x resource decree, collect what I can find, get a decree to save, quit, repeat

[coarse escarp]

Sevagoth prime or wisp prime?

I need everyone’s opinions

[hard egret]

Oh ok, so i can back out after i get another decree, without losing my resources, thank you!

[ashen bramble]

In spy missions
if I want a reward from drop table A
Does it matter if I hack all 3 or just 1?

[pliant trench]

just one but u still need to try "hack" em all to extract tho

if u have problem to hackm craft cipher and equip in gearwheel, u can use "Y" button to use em

[pure gulch]

in short for Spy
A is 1 vault
B is 2 vaults
C is 3 vaults

[pliant trench]

speaking of which, i not quite sure, if u trigger alarm 3/3 vaults or 2/3, ur mission change to exterminate instead

[honest oasis]

now i just have to watch out for times were the wave thins to much and acolytes i supose

[worldly bough]

So need help from console players. I got the Bonus Plat from daily logins but I can't access my PS5 to play. If I buy the plat from the PS App/from my phone, will I still get the bonus plat or do I have to buy the plat from the ingame market?

[grand solstice]

how much is this worth?

[harsh ether]

anyone else get massively put off the second they realise something has a mastery requirement?

finding out i need to get another 62k mastery before i can build the vesper or cytes gun is demorilising, thats so so many weapons to build and hopefully get in circuit to rank up

[ashen bramble]

Was this always a thing?

[lofty garden]

it is best to get to mr30

changes the way you play the game a bit

was helminth always a thing? helminth system is several years old at this point

[pure gulch]

as long as I have known yes

[honest oasis]

do you mean the damage buff exclusivity?
yes it was from the beginning. was a big thing they wanted to put a lit on so that we dont go insane right of the bet, and to be honest fair play to limit those to one, there are a lot more ways to get buffs depending on how lazy you wanna be.

[keen shard]

Which is the earliest obtainable incarnon weapon by mr

[honest oasis]

the problem is more the fact that you need SP for the Genesises. There are weapons to get without SP, those are MR14 from Zariman and Sanctum Anatomica.

[vapid vessel]

am i not supposed to let my kavat near the helminth?

[lofty garden]

it spits it out

[balmy wraith]

...dagath's gameplay loop is basically: crit increase ability > doom > wyrd scythes + horses??

[tender perch]

No. You lose them forever

That's why they ask if you're sure before you let them close

[tender perch]

Pretty much. She's not a hard character

[teal summit]

her 1 applies doom, so is ther any reason to use her 2?

[leaden obsidian]

[leaden obsidian]

I think it helps spread doom, I don’t remember

It interacts with her 1 somehow

[tender perch]

Her 1 doesn't apply Doom. It just gives a second instance of Doom after you've already casted it.

It doesn't apply Doom itself, you have to still use her 2

[rain loom]

how do u know wich frame gonna be vaulted ?

[lofty garden]

oldest prime

wisp is next to be vaulted, along with her weapons

[rain loom]

next update ?

[leaden obsidian]

Yareli prime

[rain loom]

oh i see so should i wait the update to sell my sets ?

[leaden obsidian]

When yareli prime releases

[rain loom]

yeah got it

[lofty garden]

when a new prime access launches, the relics for the oldest prime and its gear are vaulted.

[rain loom]

SO should i wait for the relics and primes to be vaulted to sell my sets ?

[leaden obsidian]

Since yareli is releasing in 10 days, yes

[rocky breach]

It takes a while for prices to really go up noticeably after stuff gets vaulted, since the relics are in abundance having been on the drop tables for 1-2 years

So waiting to sell won't make too much difference unless you wait for a decent amount of time, like 6-12months+

[short wagon]

hey

[quaint brook]

ho

[mild heron]

i got a problem during deimos adventure, it asked to catch fishes, i have rods from other open maps but not deimos and i couldnt catch any, while adventure is active i cant buy deimos's rods

[leaden obsidian]

Oof

[lavish pebble]

Coupons only work on the platform they were obtained on.

[rain loom]

DAMN

[glacial cargo]

warframe players learn about supply and demand

[lofty garden]

deimos adventures?

you can catch them with other fishing rods. use the dye or oxylus

[raven bluff]

Anyone have neo x1 relics? I need xaku prime BP

[wary relic]

eyo

[raven bluff]

You got one?

[unique umbra]

if you log in on warframe.com with your PS account your coupon will be active there

[barren slate]

xatas whisper get's pretty crazy with faction damage multiplication
and even more crazy when you get xatas whisper + blast

[brittle grail]

uh guys?

is it just me or valkyr invincibility bugged out?

[quaint brook]

You got the update early

[brittle grail]

wdym?

[quaint brook]

her rework come june removs her invincibility from her 4 and replaces it with a rage gate in her passive

[brittle grail]

doesn't that defeat the purpose?

[quaint brook]

defeat what purpose?

[leaden obsidian]

You’re not in your melee

Hit your melee button

[brittle grail]

yeah, but I'm more confused on the rework

like, isn't it used to be invincible when switching to gun?

[leaden obsidian]

The rework is gonna change her 4 to not be invulnerable, her passive will be changed to make her too angy to die

[brittle grail]

then why is it nerfed?

[leaden obsidian]

That happens all the time currently, switch to gun and you’re not invulnerable now

[brittle grail]

:L

[leaden obsidian]

It sorta makes sense since you’re mostly supposed to be in her 4

[brittle grail]

which mean similar to invulnerable?

[leaden obsidian]

It’ll be different, she won’t be invulnerable all the time but she’ll be able to sorta gate with it

Her rage meter will give her more damage but will give her a gate when at 75% or above

Which will be easy since yoy’re meleeing everything anyway

[brittle grail]

meanwhile they haven't fix the coda thingy lmao

[leaden obsidian]

What coda thing

[pliant trench]

coda weapon?

[brittle grail]

this

[leaden obsidian]

I was pinged?

[brittle grail]

pretty sure you don't have to pay the taxes to those bois?

[pliant trench]

ahhh the tips thing

honestly it been like that since kuva, copy paste to sister then coda

[leaden obsidian]

True

[pliant trench]

u dont but the game mechanic different as requeim to the taxes, if u asking me might drop this in forum for dev to take notice

and specifically changes the tips for coda

[pliant trench]

the only thing i like w valky, all her kit seems synergy pretty well for melee focus

[leaden obsidian]

It’ll be more synergistic after her rework

Everything will work together instead of sorta work with eachother

[pliant trench]

not sure how far her passive cap be at, or it can be modify w mod

[leaden obsidian]

Idk

It seems really good tho, wonder how far to cap it’ll go

[quaint brook]

cap at 300%

[pearl parcel]

hey bau, want to see a tank barrel i made a while ago

[quaint brook]

do it shoot lasers

[pearl parcel]

no

but it does fire fireballs

the barrel of the T-30 Ignis: the Incendiary Deployment Tool

[quaint brook]

ah the modern ship cannon

[pearl parcel]

no this is for a tank

its a 2000mm thermite launcher, similar to the one from titanfall 2 but scaled up massively and made into a railgun

[quaint brook]

Oh man

[pearl parcel]

on impact it removes a chunk of material from the target, typically a ship, airship, or enemy tank, and sets fire to the area

[unique tartan]

I always wonder why the 'Defeat the Dax guarding the treasure' mission is suddenly patched out

[worn fable]

.

[bleak coyote]

.

[pearl parcel]

'

[tender perch]

I wish the Laetum primary fire was more useful. It feels more like an incarnon only weapon

[sage shell]

.

[keen shard]

Hey I read somewhere syams wave thing doesn't work on tennokai. Is it still like that

[wheat mirage]

What would a Haven augment look like for Hildryn?

She has an augment for three of her abilities, Balefire Surge(useless), Blazing Pillage(mandatory), and Aegis Gale(borderline mandatory)

[willow bluff]

New wiki editors are funny

[pearl parcel]

if the spider doesnt have a grappling hook/wall climbing or extended latching, we riot

[leaden obsidian]

what is the first ability

[willow bluff]

Koumei threads

[leaden obsidian]

Ah

[maiden granite]

She is supposed to be able to crawl on walls etc

[solar temple]

By any chance are there any good guides/videos on building Warframes and weapons for endgame? What mods and where to find and build things?

[willow bluff]

I think they're gonna rework wall parkour

[pearl parcel]

if we get a wall climb frame i'll come back to the game

i would kill to go exploring walls and firing arrows like a stealth archer

[willow bluff]

ninjase overframe builds

[tender perch]

Would be cool if it empowered weapons with innate status or something

Haven is hard cause it's kind of an "eh" ability

[median topaz]

the short version is that you need mods from Arbitration and arcanes from Steel Path

[solar temple]

I thought Overframe was often enough not the best?

[willow bluff]

Except ninjase builds

[tender perch]

Usually they aren't

[solar temple]

This is also coming from someone who finds the endgame content very confusing on what to even do

[willow bluff]

ninjase builds work out max times

[median topaz]

Look for the galvanized multishot and status mods, plus primary+secondary deadhead and merciless

[solar temple]

Overframe tier lists are not the best right? That’s what I mainly thought at least

[boreal pier]

lowkey enjoy balefire surge O__O

[solar temple]

Thank you so much for the help btw!

[boreal pier]

blazing pillage tho is hit or miss

[willow bluff]

And even if u don't wanna follow ninjase builds blindly, there's usually a huge paragraph of explanation about the build so u can do your own changes

So it'll help u nonetheless

[tender perch]

I always like seeing Hildryns in my lobbies cause I can just overcharge her shields and make them immortal in their ult

Little ability synergies like that are so fun

[willow bluff]

Hildryn + shield osprey specter = infinite feedback loop

[median topaz]

Overframe's tier lists are hot garbage based on 5+ year old information from players who set their biases early and never bother to reasses

[willow bluff]

Except ninjase

[median topaz]

Ninjase has a single problem which is that he does all his testing in the simulacrum instead of field conditions

[willow bluff]

And that is not a big problem

[median topaz]

This isn't a ninjase problem, really, more a consequence of the game overall

[solar temple]

This is S tier for frames, not sure exactly how accurate it is

[pearl parcel]

wheres limbo

[median topaz]

very inaccurate

[devout burrow]

except mesa and wisp pretty accurate

maybe dante in A too

[median topaz]

There are frames that outperform them in any particular area, and frames that do X better overall

[devout burrow]

but its hard to make a tier list for everything in the game

[median topaz]

Like, saying Octavia is S but Vauban isn't means you've never seriously played high level Vauban

[solar temple]

I wanna know what it’s based on? Dante and Mesa seem like very different roles to fill for both to be S

[fathom cipher]

every frame has their own niche

[median topaz]

Literally: memes

[devout burrow]

its based off of votes from like 10 years ago until now, and old votes havent been deleted

[willow bluff]

Popularity

[stone notch]

The tier list would be more accurate if they had mission types as sub catergories

[willow bluff]

Never follow warframe tierlists

[leaden obsidian]

Everyone has opinions

[tender perch]

Dante is a support frame, Mesa is hard focused DPS

[stone notch]

Even gachas do that

[median topaz]

Dante broke the game in half for two weeks straight because he could make the entire squad invincible and clear entire rooms back to back

[tender perch]

If anything, I feel like S tier is missing a few frames

[solar temple]

Definitely

[leaden obsidian]

Yknow what? unsupports your support

[solar temple]

I feel like it should cover more bases like survival missions

[willow bluff]

Dante was the first specter AI to give overguard. That too reliably.

[median topaz]

DE fixed the latter part but the free, cheap overguard still works

[devout burrow]

I mean yeah you can make a tier list based off of your own opinion but then again whats the point of the tier list then

[median topaz]

true!

[leaden obsidian]

Idk

[tender perch]

Gauss, Volt, and Mag are pretty good contenders for S

[devout burrow]

imo a tier list is smth to look at and see whats good and whats not good

[median topaz]

The real issue is that the best Warframe in the game is "your favorite"

[tender perch]

My lists are usually based off endurance and level cap

[willow bluff]

I'm saying it again
Never follow warframe tierlists

It's always unstable

[tender perch]

They're all biased, so yeah

[median topaz]

Like, I can do level cap with Chroma

[devout burrow]

and you can only do that in gamemodes where you can take whats needed for the gamemode and value a frames usability off of that

[solar temple]

I love Gauss but I feel like his kit doesn’t cut it for me in higher levels, same for the Acceltra Prime

[fathom cipher]

thats what i would say too lol

[fathom cipher]

he has a bug rn that makes him fully immortal lol

[median topaz]

Most people would say Chroma isn't the best, which we can argue, and they'd also say that he can't level cap, which is clearly not true

[tender perch]

Yeah, but there are frames who do it more effectively, easily, or efficiently

[devout burrow]

not fully but functionally

[fathom cipher]

sure functionally

[tender perch]

So I feel like it's an OK way to rank

[fathom cipher]

like see im totally biased towards mirage shes the number one frame for me

[median topaz]

But that's just it, I have an easier time doing it with Chroma than Mesa

So "objectively" speaking Mesa is a C tier frame

who's right?

[fathom cipher]

yeah i lwk dont like playing mesa

[median topaz]

No one

[tender perch]

I don't really touch one button hero frames

So Mesa is a nono for me

[solar temple]

Thank you all for the help btw! Now I just need to find someway to like make a cohesive plan for what to do to build for endgame

Like Primes, Mods and then just go through SP

[median topaz]

The one stop guide: find your favorite Warframe, get an incarnon weapon, get all the endgame mods and arcanes, and put Roar over your favorite frame's worst ability

[devout burrow]

not much to say other than be around level cappers and try to learn from them
I can give you a buold for lvl cap but a lot of things for lvl cap are about mechanics and abusing certain things

[median topaz]

You are now able to rip through SP

[devout burrow]

lvl cap builds also tend to be very niche

[tender perch]

Unless your favorite is an hp tank frame lmaooo

[devout burrow]

unless you arent talking about lvl cap

[median topaz]

Nah even then

like if I can do five hour SP survival with Inaros, he's SP viable

[tender perch]

SP viable and level cap viable aren't the same thing, though

[median topaz]

But we're not talking about level cap are we

[tender perch]

Was that not your point?

[devout burrow]

everything is viable everywhere, yes even inaros at lvl cap, just a question on how sweaty you wanna be after the run

[median topaz]

It was not

[tender perch]

Oh wait, I miss-read.

Then yeah, I agree

[copper bane]

Whenever I have sacrifice equipped (companion mod) it never works, anyone know why?

[solar temple]

Stuff like arcanes and mod drops also confuse me a little as how to get them and where to get them

[tender perch]

Off topic but I wish survivals scaled better. I should be able to reach level cap in an hour or two, instead of like 30 hours

[median topaz]

arcanes are spread around different places, you basically have to look them up

[solar temple]

I see mods like Archon mods and more

[devout burrow]

depends on the mod/arcane

[median topaz]

The mods are much easier

Archon mods are from Veilbreaker ("Kahl of Duty") missions

[devout burrow]

the way to go about farming things in warframe is to look a smth you want/need, then look up where to get that

[median topaz]

Galvanized mods are from Arbitrations

[devout burrow]

you cant generally say where smth like an arcane drops

[solar temple]

Same for relics but I know there’s a lot of resources for those, it’s mainly how long do people normally stay for certain drops

[median topaz]

Condition Overload, Blood Rush and Weeping Wounds are from the Cambion Drift/Deimos bounties

Relics are different, people usually just take what they can get

[devout burrow]

you usually farm relics in void exterminate missions

[solar temple]

Like “this relic drops 15% from the C rotation” should I stay for an hour or reset after every c rotation

[median topaz]

Unless they're targeting a specific drop

[devout burrow]

and axi relics you farm at lua disruption

[median topaz]

Oh lord C rotation

So this is very poorly explained, but most mission rotations don't go A B C

[solar temple]

I throwing a lot out but I find the grinding process in cases like these so intense

[median topaz]

It's AABC AABC AABC etc

[solar temple]

Ohhhh

[median topaz]

For survival/defense

[solar temple]

So like 12 waves or 4 rounds roughly?

[median topaz]

Yes exactly

[fathom cipher]

the slow scaling in survival hurts

[median topaz]

Disruption is even weirder, because it's based on how many defense targets you keep safe

[devout burrow]

just make survival scale like cascade

[median topaz]

round 1 you get A rotation unless you protect all four, in which case it's B rotation

[devout burrow]

people being forced to go to level cap an hour into survival would be so funny

[median topaz]

round 2 it's A rotation unless you protect 3, in which case it's B again, or C if you protect all four

[solar temple]

There’s also the void trace farming but that’s fine if I get the right frame like Nidus or Kullervo and do defence or survival

[median topaz]

After four rounds you're locked into ONLY C rotation unless you only protect a single conduit

This is what makes Lua Disruption the best Axi relic farm, C rotation is 95% Axi relics

[solar temple]

So after 4 rounds you’ll always get the c drops? That’s really useful info 🙂

[median topaz]

(the last 5% is lua focus lens blueprints)

Not always but almost always

close enough for government work

[median topaz]

Anyway, void traces are drops, so the best way to farm them is to crack relics when you have a drop doubler

[solar temple]

As long as rolling that dice is more likely to reward me then screw me over

[median topaz]

I did 25 minutes of Convergence Survival on Lua and got 300 void traces

[solar temple]

0.0

[median topaz]

You can also get lucky with a kavat blessing sometimes

[solar temple]

Survival is also one of my fav missions so I’m glad

[median topaz]

mind you this is CONVERGENCE survival, with the omnia fissures

so bring a good amp

[solar temple]

Nekros is in the prime spotlight now so I actually want him too

[median topaz]

Nekros is very solid

(Oberon LOL)

[solar temple]

I need to farm an actual amp

[median topaz]

The Warframe experience: farm so you can farm

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-we-all-lift-together-gif-19925077

I think for Convergence survival you're probably okay if you rank your Sirocco and stick some arcanes on it

[strong field]

how does blood rush works?

[vale falcon]

When you hit with the melee, there's a number above the name of the melee, the number in bold take away 1 is how much it is currently stacked

[maiden granite]

They said that she is supposed to have the wall crawling mechanic. The problem they are working on with it is animating it.

[still vector]

so where do i farm for good mods to absolutely melt 75-90 Kuva enemies? because i need to open a bunch of relics to get requiem mods for my lich

[marsh linden]

stacks critical chance with the combo multiplier of your meele, the 2x, 3x thing that shows as you attack
also 1x doesnt count so if a weapon's max combo is 12, then your max blood rush is 11

[meager spindle]

is reactive storm ( for baruuk) still broken in the sense that it doesnt adapt to the weakness or was it fixed ?

[karmic wigeon]

in the belly of the beast event (and the upcoming eight claw thing), is the contribution to unlock the ephemeras clan based or global

im the only person in my clan so am i screwed when the event comes around?

[pearl parcel]

how is animating it a problem, just make it like a walk cycle

[pure gulch]

if its similar to BotB then its global progress, but I can’t say for sure if it will

[karmic wigeon]

ah ok, thx!

[maiden granite]

That’s what Reb said on the devstream yesterday sssooooo idk

[pearl parcel]

sounds odd, unless the frame has a nonstandard number of limbs perhaps?

[marsh linden]

spider frame so yeah

[pearl parcel]

just because its spider themed doesnt meant it has to be a spider

horses dont have hands but dagath does

[daring dune]

but she has extra limbs tho, thats the thing

[marsh linden]

dagath is a horserider tho

[pearl parcel]

squids dont have knees, but lavos does

[marsh linden]

lavos is an alchemist who happens to have snakes as pets

[pearl parcel]

rhino

[median topaz]

They're trying to make it so that Oraxia can wall crawl

[pearl parcel]

yes

[median topaz]

But they genuinely might not be able to pull it off

[pearl parcel]

but how is animating it an issue, wouldnt it be merely a walk cycle?

[daring dune]

each limb will have to interact different with the surface

[median topaz]

No, because there's going to be the chance of having some legs on the floor and some on the wall

[daring dune]

imagine you come into a corner

[pearl parcel]

then just use inverse kinematics?

[median topaz]

I don't recall your level of veterancy but have you seen the extremely cursed kavat pictures

[pearl parcel]

i've never owned a kavat

[median topaz]

grabbed from the internet

[pearl parcel]

what in gods name

[median topaz]

So, this, but with two different bases and up to eight limbs simultaneously

And yeah they still do this in-game every so often

[pearl parcel]

and some limbs potentialyl holding weapons?

[daring dune]

that would be a cursed version of xaku lol

[median topaz]

Not the spiderlimbs as far as we can tell

[daring dune]

would love to see that

[median topaz]

she'll hold her weapons in her hands

[daring dune]

yea but imagine she using the limbs as a form of holding the weapons, that would be rad ash

[median topaz]

but yeah the rig just breaks for certain bases sometimes, and if she's supposed to seemlessly move between floor and wall, it's going to be really bad

Because there are a LOT of nonstandard edges in Warframe's tiles

[pearl parcel]

one thing they could potentially look into are the Knack games

you constantly adjust in size and shape using various parts and it causes some light nonsense

[median topaz]

doesn't work like that

Different engine, plus Knack has a much more limited series of movements

[pearl parcel]

tahts fair but im still trying to help

[median topaz]

and a number of the transformations are very limited where they're used

[strong field]

is overextended worth on khora?

[raw sinew]

Spider frame is gonna be cool…
But what’s gonna be cooler is folding chair melee

[rotund horizon]

I have yes

[sudden tendon]

Yes if you have accumulating whipclaw u have more than enough strength and overextended is fine

[distant rapids]

where do we get the tak lug guard and handles? i thought it was the same mission but i got 4 blades but no guards and handles

nvm finally got a handle

[grim lodge]

Guys is Aya drop rate nerfed? Or am I just being unlucky recently??

[median topaz]

just you

[wild smelt]

guys, for neural sensors i been told alad v is the best place, but does steelpath give more sensors or can i just do the regular one?

[quasi sleet]

speaking of kavats, which type of kavat is regarded as the 'worst'?

[leaden obsidian]

Panzer vulpaphyla

[pearl parcel]

thats a vulpaphyla, and generally regarded as one of the best pets big

[leaden obsidian]

Nu uh

It’s a kavat

[acoustic mountain]

Why can't I see any nodes on Neptune proxima? I see all the others but not there

[median topaz]

all others including Veil proxima?

[vague river]

[potent condor]

Is Pox affected by Fulmination? It doesn't seem like it is.

[tender perch]

There's a lot of weapons that seem like they should be affected by those mods, but aren't.

[potent condor]

Okay, I'm fine with it not working, I just thought I was going crazy.

[fair flame]

Pox cloud is not effected by it

The impact explosion is tho

I know this as I tryed to make a steel path viable build. Got it to work but I needed to use carrier for ammo

[potent condor]

It's alright, but I still prefer the buffs from grimoire.

[fair flame]

Energy Regen is the only buff you need

The rest are far to situational

Guess the universal orb exulus slot too

[pearl parcel]

hey ezel, you want to know the funniest definition for propaganda

[lyric kestrel]

Question has anyone else gotten peely pix from DEEP archimida recently? It gave me some on the after mission report earlier today before the reset but not sure if it was real because idk how many i had before

[worldly aspen]

question just got back on so khora is no longer affected by my magistar stat stick?

[fathom cipher]

nope not anymore

pseudo exalteds arent a thing anymore

u gotta mod the actual weapon now like a normal exalted weapon

[ember parcel]

I invested into rolling a good riven for the Hema a year ago just for the Coda Hema to have a dispo of .50x...

[pearl parcel]

oh hell a third crispy?

[fathom cipher]

are you crispy prime or a different one

i think its crispy prime

hi crispy

[ember parcel]

Hi crispy

[placid turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[pearl parcel]

hey Crispo, whats your take on heavy particle cannons

[fathom cipher]

i ended up with a funny unrolled god roll recently but its on a crap weapon

0 rolls lmao

[ember parcel]

😔

That is good wow

[fathom cipher]

ikr but no one wants the thing xd

im lookin for a collector who collects unrolled god rolls

[ember parcel]

It saddens me to see things like the Tiberon with a dispo of 3 and the Coda Hema at 1 meanwhile the Torid is still at 5

[ember parcel]

Are those common?

[fathom cipher]

mhm

[fathom cipher]

theres so little collectors xd

smthns bugging lol

[pearl parcel]

hey Crispo, whats your opinion on heavy particle cannons

[tender perch]

Why are there two Crispy's

[pearl parcel]

idk man

[tender perch]

Extra crispy
Hehe

[pearl parcel]

i just hope this crispy isnt as bad as the old crispy

[fathom cipher]

kaths clone machine was used

[fathom cipher]

this is still crispy prime

[pearl parcel]

you're the insufferable crispy thats a hypocrite

[fathom cipher]

me?

[pearl parcel]

i didnt reply to the other crispy did i?

[fathom cipher]

u didnt reply to anyone actually

[fathom cipher]

alright?

what did i do

[pearl parcel]

be a hypocrite

[ember parcel]

Wow

[pearl parcel]

to be fair, he is a hypocrite

[ember parcel]

They're pretty cool, I like heavy weapons so I could get down with that

[fathom cipher]

wait what did i even do

[pearl parcel]

sehr gute, im working on one for a replica of the d2 Warsat

[fathom cipher]

this my first time talking here today

[pearl parcel]

getting on me for being "off topic" even though you do it all the time, and its magically fine when its you and jon or pix talking about those shows or your poke mans

or big talking about his back problems

[fathom cipher]

uh huh

[ember parcel]

Idk what that is, kinda sounds like a tank's weapon

[frank pumice]

Is rolling animations included in Noble and Agile animations sets? Like if I bought Protea's animation set would I get to use her roll on other frames?

[pearl parcel]

the destiny 2 warsat is a satellite with a big laser cannon

this is a test fire of my replica in From the Depths, the Dornroschen Heavy Particle Cannon, that shot killed a ship

this is an image of the warsat itself

[fathom cipher]

i assume so

[fathom cipher]

but you are always off topic 😭

[pearl parcel]

and you arent?

[fathom cipher]

rarely

[tender perch]

I'm tired

[pearl parcel]

i feel that man

[frank pumice]

Damnit it doesnt. DE I WANT MY PLAT BACK

[fathom cipher]

oh what it works for my protea i think with mirage animation

[pearl parcel]

its possible rolling animations arent tied to it because some characters have unique mechanics tied to rolling

limbo for examble

[strong field]

Whats a good defense mission to farm artefacts that there’s usually people in?

[sullen tinsel]

Currently the defense mission for temple farm

[tender perch]

Yummy protea

I love Protea

[fathom cipher]

ngl i have her fashioned out but i barely use her anymore. i relied on her for deimos bounties for awhile cuz she made it easy with her turrets and dispensary

[tender perch]

I love playing Protea. Probably my favorite female frame to play

[fathom cipher]

mirage 🤑

[tender perch]

She has one of the best deluxe skins too

[fathom cipher]

caldrius skin is nice for protea i agree. the helm is so nice

[tender perch]

It takes color so well

[pearl parcel]

my favorite frame to play was limbo before the bloating of eximuses, but ivara nowadays

i do wish we had a proper paladin/knight frame though, to fit with the european style greatswords

[tender perch]

Closest we got to that is Caliban Orpheo skin

[pearl parcel]

oh? whats he look like

[fathom cipher]

thats conquistadors tho :p

still european tho

[tender perch]

Best we got tho

[pearl parcel]

thats less of a knight and more of a conquistador

[placid turtle]

Sevagoth Prime also looks like a naval captain

[tender perch]

Like I said, closest we got

[fathom cipher]

true

[placid turtle]

I think Vauban and Rhino have Knight-y skins?

[pearl parcel]

im looking for less of an invading force of unknown lands, and more a knight templar/crusader

[fathom cipher]

yeah

[tender perch]

Also the skin itself looks more like a ghost haunting the armor than a knight itself

[fathom cipher]

could make harrow look like a paladin

cruxis helm

[pearl parcel]

like, full tabbard, greathelm, greaves, the works

[tender perch]

Oh yeah, those look better

[pearl parcel]

vauban is close, and i do have that frame, but rhino looks like a damn beetle

this is the kinda look im after

[fathom cipher]

try harrow

[placid turtle]

Protea might have a skin like that too

[fathom cipher]

default harrow prime

has cruxis helm

[tender perch]

Protea would definitely be a fire/steel type

[placid turtle]

Base Harrow with the Cruxis helm might even look more like a crusader/priest

[strong field]

Where?

[fathom cipher]

stickin with my harrow tho <3

[fathom cipher]

1999 stage defense

[pearl parcel]

wheres his heavy greaves, wheres his mighty, solid tabbard, he looks like a librarian

[tender perch]

Harrow would maybe be a dark/steel maybe

[strong field]

I haven’t even opened that event😭

[fathom cipher]

alright no one fits that description rn then

[placid turtle]

@strong field do you mean opening relics or collecting relics?

[fathom cipher]

chop chop get to grinding

[pearl parcel]

thats exactly my problem

[median topaz]

Knight Templar
Not actually an invader of a foreign land

[strong field]

Collecting

[median topaz]

My friend

[pearl parcel]

i said unknown lands

[tender perch]

Nidus is Bug type

[pearl parcel]

they knew and traded with the middle east forever, but still invaded it for jerusalem

[tender perch]

Loki is Normal type

[sullen tinsel]

Disruption is still pretty fast for collecting relics

[median topaz]

Europeans didn't know jack about the Levant!

That's half the reason they got rolled by Saladin

[strong field]

Thank you 🫶🙏

[pearl parcel]

i didnt say they knew about it, i just said they knew of it

it wasnt an unknown land, it was a foreign one

[median topaz]

I know this sounds like a minor quibble over terms but that's where the conquistadors were when they got started

[pearl parcel]

i mainly know conquistadors for their adventures into the americas

[median topaz]

Yeah, but they had several waves

Cortez gathered allies for a long time before the conquest kicked off for real

(Honestly the whole story is fascinating)

[pearl parcel]

it certainly sounds interesting, ill have to look up more information tomorro

[tender perch]

I wish they were faster at getting to level cap. It takes forever doing it solo

[rocky breach]

void cascade ~1.5hrs solo/~1hr in a group (107 exolizers, additional time if doing a fissure)
disruption ~2-3hrs solo/~1.5-2hrs in a group (45 rounds)
sp circuit ~1.5-2hrs depending on loadout/group (18 rounds)
survival ~8hrs+ (additional time if doing a fissure)
alchemy ~6-8hrs (~155 crucibles, later rounds can start taking a little longer, additional time if doing a fissure)

seems fine except for alchemy, i guess they could tweak survival but its whatever the people who like cap survival wouldnt care either way

[tender perch]

I would love to do survival level caps if they were faster

[fathom cipher]

fr i just love mindlessly killing sometimes lol

[tender perch]

Cascade is too hectic and disruptions are too boring

[devout burrow]

istg DE needs to stop adding defenses

[fathom cipher]

i swear

[devout burrow]

pls DE, add more original gamemodes

and not defense number 58

[rocky breach]

alchemy is the worst, you need cascade levels of mental attention, but survival levels of time

[tender perch]

God, yes

[fathom cipher]

i need more active gamemodes. i need fast scaling gamemodes

[sudden tendon]

Cascade isnt hectic if u and ur group know what to do

Id recommend u read the guide on the void cascade discord

And maybe lfg there too

[rocky breach]

the problem is 1hr is a time which a more casual player could sink into a mission
so while the bulk of the scaling (1k-9999) happens in the last 20-30% of mission time
if they made an even faster scaling mission, people would hit walls just doing normal play

[fathom cipher]

group cascade is nice, solo is pretty hectic if u make a mistake

[sudden tendon]

Solo is annoying cause u have to keep running around

[rocky breach]

it would be like back in the day with survivals being essentially capped at ~30min unless you ran rhino/loki

[fathom cipher]

mhm its a ton of micro management

[tender perch]

I don't have friends who like doing level cap or cascade. I'm forced to do them alone

[devout burrow]

sad that some frames excel in solo gameplay

[sudden tendon]

Thats why u can lfg for it

[fathom cipher]

my wifi is straight buns so i can only go solo 😭

[tender perch]

If I had just ONE other person, I'd probably do it easily

[rocky breach]

solo cascades are chill as long as you dont panic, you just have to realise that you have plenty of time/wait for the thrax to spawn

[sudden tendon]

Nidus lmao

[tender perch]

I wouldn't enjoy doing it with just some random tbh

It's why I'm looking for an alternative for level cap

[devout burrow]

yeah duo cascade is where its at

[rocky breach]

and you can always leave thrax alive for last gasps if you're really struggling

[sudden tendon]

I just go into a pub and wait for the other people to leave and just solo the rest lmao

[sudden tendon]

Ah fair enough

[tender perch]

I bet. My friends just don't like doing it which sucks

[sudden tendon]

Dont forget the pause cough tech

[rocky breach]

i just solo cos i enjoyer the subconscious threat/risk that my own mistakes will result in a fail

[tender perch]

Plus Randoms usually bring easy frames like Dante or Revenant. I don't like that.

[sullen tinsel]

You dont want to level cap with survival or alchemy cause warframe ai will slap you with a temporary trade ban.

[devout burrow]

ngl koumei solo is goated to play

[tender perch]

Cause it interferes with me testing out my builds survivability and damage

[sudden tendon]

U usually dont see those in the void cascade lfg’s

Usually

[devout burrow]

yeah you cant go higher than 500 exos in a cascade, otherwise you have a risk of getting even fully banned and then it really depends if you get good support or not
sometimes support will legit try to find any reason to just keep you banned

[tender perch]

Nah the few times I've done cascade in a group, I always get like 2 revenants with Mesmer Shield. Like- EW, get away from me

[rocky breach]

if you're testing builds then you kinda have to go do solo, since even with 1 other person you would subconsciously slack off a bit cos you know you dont need to go as hard

[sudden tendon]

I actually dont get how the support team is sometimes so ass

[tender perch]

And it only takes one Dante to completely make the mission obsolete

[sudden tendon]

From the void cascade discord?

[tender perch]

Prolly not there. So I wouldn't know about that.

[devout burrow]

cause its not DE pretty sure, its some 3rd party

[sudden tendon]

If u lfg in game u will get those people

[daring parrot]

DE support are the devs

thats why it takes so long

[sudden tendon]

Wdym devs

[daring parrot]

as in the devs of the game

[devout burrow]

I doubt the developers do the support

[sudden tendon]

I doubt the people developing the game is also doing that

Yeah why not hire other people to do it

[daring parrot]

are you talking about game support

[sudden tendon]

They already are occupied with developing the game

[sudden tendon]

Yes

[daring parrot]

its well know that the devs are the ones that handle support

if youve used it before youd see that only devs are answering you

[devout burrow]

some devs be not trying to actually support you

[sudden tendon]

Most other games have actual support teams so i assumed it was the same here

[tender perch]

Id do circuit more if it wasn't complete rng with equipment and defense missions

Level cap Jackal boss fight sounds amazing tbh

[devout burrow]

I remember when the defense target didnt even scale

[daring parrot]

circuit time

[devout burrow]

makes you realize how much DE knows about their scaling

[tender perch]

Does it scale now? If so then that fixes most of my issues

[devout burrow]

the defense target scales but at some point the enemy damage starts scaling faster than the defense targets HP

[tender perch]

L

[devout burrow]

that is around lvl 2k

[rocky breach]

scales slightly, and i think it got a shieldgate or some sort of DR against eximus stuff

but its still not worth the risk

[tender perch]

I could probably still defend well with Caliban

So that just leaves the rng aspect

[devout burrow]

if you have good crowd control frames or nuke frames its easy but if you have a cope loadout forget it

[rocky breach]

yeah if you kill hard enough its essentially invuln, cos nothing alive = no damage

[rocky breach]

honestly with how hard you snowball with decrees, theres no real difference between 9999 jackal and 100 jackal

[tender perch]

I forgot about decrees

Tbh that prolly trivializes the damage check

[rocky breach]

its why the random loadouts arent that much of a deal breaker in circuit, even the default automod weapons if they have decent base stats will get carried to cap with decees

same with nuke frames, get enough stacking increases and you can nuke even with the automod loadouts

[tender perch]

I still don't like the rng aspect. I'm one of those players who take specific things and don't care much for anything else

Even though most of my weapons are kitted out

Just not having the choice annoys me

[devout burrow]

ok so you can say shit but not bs as a full word

I also hate the direction DE has been going with doing "hard endgame" content in the last updates, just random loadout random nerfs to your loadout bs go

[fathom cipher]

mhm. make the content harder, dont make me weaker

[rocky breach]

theres no other way to really make a challenge witht he power creep
its either forcing people to try a wider selection (and since you always get 1 thing you own, you can game that system)
or harder modifiers...and people whined lots about some modifiers

unless they removed shield gating lol

[fathom cipher]

id quit cuz the only frames runnin around would be invis and revenant 😭

[devout burrow]

just give enemies like 1 billion HP and add a stressfull gamemode mechanic to it

[fathom cipher]

and im not gonna hp tank

[devout burrow]

enemies currently have like 10 million HP at best

[rocky breach]

the problem is the gap between good weapons/builds and average when you get above the 30-50mil of current level cap enemies

you can make anything do the 10-30mil total damage needed
but if you suddenly needed 10-100x that

suddenly its only meta stuff and gets even more cookie cutter

[devout burrow]

yeah there are certain weapons that deal with it pretty well and then there are primary weapons

DE really needs to give primaries good arcanes so that they can do high level stuff without having to keep up stacks

[fathom cipher]

primaries are just at the most utility items

[rocky breach]

they just seem to have issues with only doing safe stuff on primaries

[fathom cipher]

whether that be scourge for bubbles, or slappin on amalgam mods or smthn of the sort. maybe even some priminmg

[devout burrow]

they dont want to have another bramma/zarr situation

even though right after the AoE nerfs DE introduced influence and incarnons that have AoE and huge beam chains, seems right

[fathom cipher]

lmfao

everyone had a kuva bramma

[rocky breach]

every time they do a primary its like....rifle 851, but with +20% crit chance while standing on a lego
meanwhile secondary, blob shooter that explodes into aoe on hit, aoe paints targets pink and green, if pink they are slowed 50% and have a chance to fall over, if green they dance, also does good damage

[devout burrow]

and the funny thing is zarr/bramma can be brought back, even stronger than during their meta days

[sudden tendon]

I find it hard to figure out what they’re thinking sometimes

[rocky breach]

everytime they try weird/new stuff lately its on secondaries

[sudden tendon]

Cool stuff

[empty scroll]

Literally just give the Zarr like 5 more ammo and Bramma 2-3 more arrows

[devout burrow]

or melees

waiter waiter pls more melee incarnons with the most busted evolutions a man can think of

[sudden tendon]

Ehhhhh its just melee influence/exposure

[empty scroll]

Cause like did DE forget the Zarr/Kuva Zarr has a alt fire? cause with only a total of 10 shots there's not even 0 reasons to use the alt fire, there are NEGATIVE reasons to use it

[sudden tendon]

I could not care less about vortex or the armor one

[pearl parcel]

revert ammo nerf

[empty scroll]

OR, revert the Primary Merciless nerf

Either or tbh

[pearl parcel]

with the incarnons and all this nonsense, weapons arent balanced, its a horde shooter with imbalanced weapons, lean into it, let us get silly

[devout burrow]

yeah but melees actually get good passives nowadays, while primary passives are shit like "on last bullet in magazine, add a random status to your shot"

[sudden tendon]

Oh yeah thats fair

[empty scroll]

I think only nerfing weapons when they become problematic (which TBF the Bramma absolutefreakinglutely was on release ESPECIALLY with all the Mirage mains coming out of the wood work at the time) is completely reasonable

[pearl parcel]

i personally think they should've slightly nerfed its damaeg instead of neutering its ammo

[devout burrow]

yeah I agree with nerfing OP stuff, if DE would actually be consistent with it and not nerf a frame that has 0.5% usage rate LMAO

valkyr rework says hello

[empty scroll]

Thing is they also nerfed Primary Mericeless too and its just, why? the max ammo buff was good on A LOT of things AOE or not

[pearl parcel]

honestly man

they keep making this game worse when they adjust stuff, leave it as it is or make small adjustments to influence the meta

[empty scroll]

Not even necessarily "OP", just things that are disruptive. Again, Bramma on release + Mirage was literally causing my games to dip below sub 2 digit FPS

[sudden tendon]

Nahhhhh man she got buffed, im not gonna give any reasoning tho

[devout burrow]

yeah luckily people dont play cyte zarr, so it wont get nerfed probably

cyte zarr is old meta, but worse

worse as in more OP

[devout burrow]

bro her passive gating still gets her fully invulnerable, I dont give any realistic scenario on when this is the case but she is still invuln guys!!!

[empty scroll]

Far as the Valkyr changes go, I like everything BUT the changes to her 4. Health tanking just isn't really all that great for anything about level 2K, which means she becomes A LOT less useful in Duviri and endurance runs, but she still has mechanics TECHNICALLY making her nearly invincible anyways? just in a worse way

[pearl parcel]

hey gaben, whats your take on heavy particle cannons

[empty scroll]

Based

[sudden tendon]

Ensnare plus 0 dmg hysteria and just farming rage

[pearl parcel]

sehr gute, look at this

[devout burrow]

we gonna see people going full attack speed on her claws to cope with passive buildup 😭

[empty scroll]

Like I think in a vacuum making Valkyr more of a ACTUAL health and armor tank berserker is a good idea, but health and armor tanking as a whole needs to be improved

[sudden tendon]

And then most people are just gonna hop off her after then the valkyr mains stay sad

[devout burrow]

yeah I'll maybe try her out for some gameplay hours, then drop her again cause the rework us lackluster, same thing I did with nyx
nyx rework made her usable but after play stuff like saryn and nova, stuff like that, there just isnt a real reason to play nyx