gameplay-discussion

[placid flare]

thanks

[unreal surge]

damn

[daring parrot]

it's just rare, mine didn't show up for like 100 hours and then showed up twice recently

[boreal pier]

mine hasnt shown up in about 6k hours :]

[placid flare]

The 725 bundle in the store lookin at me like "I know I'm not worth it, but do u really wanna waste so much time?" 😂

[pure gulch]

narmer bounty was feeling generous

[woeful quarry]

What's better a 30 percent chance to crit with 65.multishot or 12 percent status chance

This or this

[sudden flame]

the crit multiplier isn’t the highest so i’d probably say status unless you’re gonna build for crit fully

[ivory gate]

guys
I have a serious question:
Why do we have a swear filter in game, if swear words get you chat banned?

for example: swearing in different languages.

[woeful quarry]

I can only get status to 17 percent

[sudden flame]

what weapon

[woeful quarry]

Twin rogga

I already dfirma once but can't again yet

I think 30 percent crit is better then 17 percent status

Right?

[jovial basalt]

best -27 capacity setup

[sudden tendon]

Someone else was complaining about this earlier too

[digital pond]

Hello

[jovial basalt]

real

[sudden tendon]

U just got random polarities on ur gun right?

[jovial basalt]

dunno

just opened it up to see if i could use it for index

randomly saw this

[boreal pier]

what weapon is this even

phen?

[jovial basalt]

ye

[sudden tendon]

Bruh

[next rampart]

can you transfer playstation account save from warframe to pc?

[sudden tendon]

Yeah u just need to activate cross save

[jovial basalt]

ig im lucky

[next rampart]

you mean like I dont need anymore play on playstiona and tarnsfer my staff to pc

only not tennogen items

[sudden tendon]

I guess?

Pretty sure it just strips u if u try to use it on pc

[pure gulch]

gara achieved

[sudden tendon]

Cause it costs real money on pc not just plat

[next rampart]

same on console with plat

ye

[sudden tendon]

I guess its an xbox thing then

[next rampart]

I want to pc because its better

[sudden tendon]

Yeah i mean only xbox can buy tennogen items for plat

[next rampart]

ps to

[sudden tendon]

Bruh

Yeah so ur tennogen items arent gonna work on pc

[next rampart]

ye

I only about my proggres and items andd noraml skins

[jovial basalt]

i mean in using it rn

[boreal pier]

im pretty sure if you bought the tennogen before cross save then itll still transfer?? could be wrong though

[sudden tendon]

Yeah then u should be fine then

[jovial basalt]

nothin happenin

[sudden tendon]

I was talking about skins when transferring from consolw to pc

[jovial basalt]

i c

mb

[hollow drum]

Hello everyone

[sudden tendon]

All good

[boreal pier]

omg it just dropped lmao

[jovial basalt]

congrats

[tranquil kayak]

ok so quick question - my Dagath has Corrosive Projection (-18% armor) and her 4 reduces armor by exactly 82%, without Molt Augmented being built up. Does that mean using 4 will strip all armour because it's already reduced by her aura?

As I recall DE changed armour so that % works based off the base value, and removing for example 10% puts it down to 90%, and another 10% puts it down to 80%, instead of 81%, so that it's easier to strip armour in general without having to build for 100% strip every single time

Does Corrosive Projection in this case put enemies to 82% of their armour? Or does their reduced armour become the new 100%?

[lavish pebble]

The former, that means it reduces the amount of strength you need to full strip.

[tranquil kayak]

Sweet

With R4 Molt Augmented built up to max I go from 250% to 300% strength and 300% is needed for full strip on her 4

So I won't need corrosive projection at that point

Makin a few more adjustments though

Oh god I accidentally forma'd a Y instead of a - 😭

That's gotta be the first time I'm put the wrong polarity on

Damn it they should let me change the polarity after I've put the forma on it

[tranquil kayak]

Uh... turns out the stats have changed now that I'm in my orbiter and not Hollvania

I'll figure it out

Oh wait it's because I forma'd so the abilities are weakened lmfao

[quaint brook]

I thought they stopped doing that

[tranquil kayak]

Apparently not

[fervent moth]

They didn't stop, the starting abilities after Forma scale with MR "now" (read: since a few years back).

So if you're MR 16 and Forma frame it's like you still have a Rank 16 frame.

[tranquil kayak]

That makes sense

And it explains why my abilities don't rank up much until Dagath goes to levels 29 and 30

Oh this is interesting

Duplex Bond makes copies of my pet go into bleedout

These copies can be revived

And reviving them gives affinity

[placid turtle]

One feature I want is the ability to have separate Drifter/Operator appearances for different outfits. For example, maybe I want a longer hairstyle and Refacia blue skin on my 'A' which is influenced by the Orokin, but for my military-looking 'B', I want short hair with human skin and tattoos.

[tranquil kayak]

Yes man I've been saying this forever (more like since shortly before 1999 released but that's basically forever ago lmao)

I want to use my Operator and Drifter for cosplays or to make visual references for OCs (I do text-based RP) but I'll never be able to make them look the same again

"Just PrtSc the sliders vro" yeah sure but the fact I need to write down my sliders to begin with is still a problem. And its entirely possible I'll end up losing the screenshot anyway and then I'm really screwed

Give us appearance presets please

I would absolutely spend platinum on accessories and Drifter/Operator clothes if I was able to change their base appearance through presets and then switch back to the original one

And yes, I would probably buy Tennogen too

[strong field]

hello

[blazing frost]

[nimble blaze]

hi, please tell me I'm not the only one who hates the bossfights in the New War, guys

[sweet apex]

You talking about the hand?

[nimble blaze]

I'm at the Archons rn (Amar to be precise, I've dealt with the owl guy)

[sweet apex]

Ohhhh!!!! Yeah they're rough. I think those are solo too?

[nimble blaze]

yes

[tired nova]

Wonder if j should use the hate on xaku?

Or maybe despair?

With Incarnon ofc

[sweet apex]

I used wisp and a flamethrower for that. I think you have infinite respawns

[pearl parcel]

I'm shocked how much free time some people have

Someone made a detailed model of the AK105 with moving parts, a functioning magnifier, custom magwells, magazine options, stocks, and even different foregrips in RoN

[exotic pine]

Can someone taxi me to a archwing mission on Uranus

I need tellurium

[tired nova]

So they made...an AK-47?

[peak moth]

How many arcanes does it take to max an arcane

[pearl parcel]

No it was an AK105

[tired nova]

I assume you meant the AX whatever it was

The one from warframe

[pearl parcel]

A fully modeled AK105 with more detail than even the devs added to base game weapons

[indigo bramble]

Spoiler: your third one will be much easier.

[pearl parcel]

They modeled the bolt moving

[pearl parcel]

Nope, ak105 in Ready or Not

[tired nova]

Huh

Neat, good for them

[pearl parcel]

Like, fully modeled, added additional functions to the game with a magnifier, a working drum mag option, everything

And they published that to nexus for free

[brittle agate]

Is someone in game who can link me their bulky kubrow appearance?

[tired nova]

Like you want gene codes for it or...?

Cause I've got a bulky sunika and a bulky raksa

[brittle agate]

No its fine i got someone thank you anyway haha

[dawn junco]

What's up

[nimble blaze]

yeah, I've heard 😅 It turns out snakelady is much easier to kill, so I guess I'll be able to handle Amar too as the last one

[covert lily]

grr, if i could only flip the channels for the body and the head on some skins separately

[indigo bramble]

I find Owl hardest regardless so I made different life choices on my second play through

[nimble blaze]

I started with the owl and liked it better than the wolf (even though I died like 5 times, then sat 10 minutes staring at the screen and regretting starting the quest altogether, before I tried again), because I could hide behind the tree and the owl didn't teleport on me literally.

[silent mirage]

Please guys lets get a decent base nekros rework who agrees?

[hexed imp]

Feel like atlas should get one too

[lime quartz]

most arcanes need 21, amp arcanes 10

[peak moth]

21 damn

Will take a while to max energize

[lime quartz]

yup

[covert lily]

About half the cast could use a full/partial rework of 1 ability still. Nekros soul punch qualifies imo

[peak moth]

Is dissolution worth it?

[maiden granite]

Yes.

[covert lily]

For farming energize specifically? Maybe wouldn

[peak moth]

K

[maiden granite]

Use sp arcanes once you have one of each sp arcane maxed

[peak moth]

How do you encounter a hydrolyst?

[peak moth]

Sp arcane?

[maiden granite]

Steel path

[peak moth]

There are sp ones? Is there a sp energize?

[maiden granite]

No

[peak moth]

Okay

[maiden granite]

Sp arcanes are arcanes you can only get from acolytes

[peak moth]

Ah ok

[maiden granite]

Which spawn in sp missions

[silent mirage]

Haven't checked him out yet but nekros with that extreme radical cooldown to terrify, ew.

[maiden granite]

Arcane dissolution is worth trying for getting energize otherwise that arcane is pain to farm

Steadfast you can obtain semi easily from citrine mirror defense. You get the crystals from mirror defense and trade them to otak

[covert lily]

It's a pretty long road to hoe if that's the only one you're going for, though. With any luck an event will bring the rare eidolons back again to grind before long.

[next kiln]

Homborgor spawn

[devout burrow]

dont bring the eidolon arcanes DE, pls the prices are starting to recover 🙏

[maiden granite]

I need to finish maxing my energize

It’s currently rank 3 which gets the job done

[maiden granite]

No. Ooo a burger sounds good though

[lime quartz]

the cheapest arcanes from Onkko are a good source of vosfor

[tulip tide]

Anyone know why my laetum evo v unlocked even though its the only incarnon I have?

[next kiln]

Borgor*

[maiden granite]

It happens. Is bug but handy bug

[covert lily]

Market seems to be having a broad improvement recently. Lots of new/returning players with 1999 maybe and lots of things to grind, perhaps

[maiden granite]

I’m waiting for my Titania prime to finish

[willow bluff]

More like
I'm not getting buyers!

[maiden granite]

2ish days to go

[tulip tide]

sweet

[devout burrow]

lots of destiny migrates, they are used to spending money so lots of demand

[maiden granite]

I had that happen in my burston. I unlocked one evo which completed another one

[devout burrow]

you simply havent overpriced enough in trade chat

[next kiln]

That a cool looking fox?

[tulip tide]

kubrow

[willow bluff]

Vulpas r foxes

[maiden granite]

*kubrow

[next kiln]

Close enough

[next kiln]

Borgor

[willow bluff]

Nowhere close in warframe

[next kiln]

Close enough

[leaden obsidian]

[willow bluff]

In wf, a difference between a fox and a kubrow is kavat and kubrow exclusive mods

[maiden granite]

Time to add more godpack accounts for Pokémon

[ember parcel]

Energy

[maiden granite]

I still demand a birb pet in warframe

[leaden obsidian]

Idk what to do

[next kiln]

U still haven't done?

[maiden granite]

Dude I am an adult. I don’t have timmmeee

[next kiln]

Ur energy Mr cwisp prime

[tulip tide]

So now that I got a laetum with evo v I need a good primary to go with it. Any tenet weapons that are good to pair with laetum?

[next kiln]

It's less than 10 m if lucky ._.

[willow bluff]

Get a Kuva Sobek and take Quincy to lvl cap

[maiden granite]

Tenet? Maybe glaxion or arca plasmor

[maiden granite]

No, I have to go find them first

[next kiln]

That's simple tho..

[tulip tide]

I do have a magnetic tenet glaxion but its kinda boring.

[maiden granite]

Torid is fun imo

[indigo bramble]

Felarx is great

[maiden granite]

Uhhhh acceltra prime

[devout burrow]

crazy takes

[tulip tide]

the steel path circuit incarnons are beyond me rn. need to get stronger stuff before I do that

[maiden granite]

Oohhh

Phenmor then

[devout burrow]

plasmor if you wanna stick to the tenet thing

[tulip tide]

strongest stuff I got right now are zephyr, braton prime with a decent riven, and a nikana zaw

[next kiln]

I'ma take u

[maiden granite]

You can get phenmor same way as laetum.

[devout burrow]

erm in what context sir

[maiden granite]

It’s good for sanctum too

[next kiln]

Borgor

[maiden granite]

Just running around with a mini gun turret plowing everything down

[tulip tide]

yeah was thinking either plasmor or phenmor cause laetum in incarnon mode is great for groups but I need a weapon that good against tanky dudes

[devout burrow]

plasmor has very good scaling and can easily deal millions of damage

[maiden granite]

I need a different plasmor build

Actually I don’t even remember if I have magnetic on it or not

[devout burrow]

phenmor does also have good scaling but needs to hit headshots for multiplicative acuity

[slow plover]

so uhm whatd i do in this situatiom

[devout burrow]

you try to find your way to that tile

just cause it appears in space in this tile doesnt mean its out of bounds, tile visual backgrounds arent dynamic and are purely visual

[slow plover]

ohh alright

[kind fossil]

What does "upscaling" in the settings do?

Is it some AI thing that increases the resolution?

[covert lily]

what I ran out of duviri mats? How could this happen? Vague memories of buying 100s of decors items

[maiden granite]

Keep it turned off. Makes things look like crap

[kind fossil]

Why does it exist then?

[ember parcel]

How good is the Traumna Prime yall?

[kind fossil]

Well therapy exists to remove it so not great

[willow bluff]

Bruh I feel sad for ya
Last time I did a poll for Tazicor and Helstrum in 4 servers, 2 of them tied it
Though the other 2 made helstrum win by 100% votes lol

[ember parcel]

Oh I just realized the funny

[leaden obsidian]

Primary fire sucks, alt fire good

Overall mid gun

[weak iron]

And suuuuper ugly

[lyric lotus]

[sweet apex]

Got a question on crit!! I read up on the wiki and want to make sure I'm right.

Dex Pixia Prime has a 10% weapon crit chance. Does that mean i need 1000% added crit chance from mods to reach 100% yellow crits at least?

And until I exceed that I won't see orange crits?

[uncut night]

900% actually, idk if secondary enervate affects pixia

[hexed lynx]

Hey I need some help understanding

[strong field]

10% crit chance is too low to mod for crit imo.

[hexed lynx]

Oestrus, the Infested Salvage mission, after what wave is Rotation C to get the Nidus parts?

[uncut night]

But you can get flat 45% with avenger, thus needing "only" 450%

[tulip tide]

is there a way to redo the drifter combat tutorial i completly forgot

[lyric lotus]

lost all the loot from the map before the server went down...

[sweet apex]

I was just wondering. A bunch of the builds I see has crit chance and crit damage mods and if that's how crit works, seems like it'd be a very diminished return

[sweet apex]

So the 10% is a flat crit chance but also a multiplier for crit from additional mods

Like if I had a 100% cc mod it would be 10% base plus 10% of 100% for a total of 20%

[strong field]

For weapons other than melee or weapons that have augments like sentient surge. Very diminishing for something like a hybrid 50-60 % crit

[sweet apex]

It almost feels like I'd be better off stacking statuses and using the damage per status mod..

25% status chance base...

[strong field]

Yes you’d outperform a hybrid crit build.

[sweet apex]

Thank you very much for taking the time to clear that up for me.

[lime quartz]

Guys what do you thing about having access to navigation in the hubs?, I think It would streamline things a bit

[sweet apex]

Real quick, status is calculated the same way but the status type is divided among the damage types?

[strong field]

There are frames like harrow, sevagoth and citrine that can enable huge crit boosts too so in those circumstances. A low crit chance build may be viable.

[sweet apex]

Ahhhh, that's why I've seen my crits spike up when my friend plays citrine?

[hexed imp]

Best archon shards for nekros?

[solid citrus]

Citrine crystals give you a flat 300% crit chance when you shoot them

So you just do reds instantly when you hit ‘em

And her 4 augment makes the crystals spread when you shoot them, so you can spread that crit around a bunch

[strong field]

It’s not divided per shot. It’s basically whichever element with the highest numbers have the higher chance to proc. Each shot has the chance to proc once when status chance is 100% or less. At 200% you have the chance to proc 2 elements per shot. If you hover over or click on status on your weapon you can see the percentage each element has to be the one to proc when your weapon does initiate a proc.

[solid citrus]

IIRC if it’s over 100% is a chance to proc more than one, since it’s guaranteed to proc once at 101% but then 1% chance it’ll proc another

So 200% status you’re forced to proc 2 and its usually weighted by your highest %’s

But yeah those pixia you can just slam a bunch of status into, making them crit requires a lot of buffing + modding

[sweet apex]

Ohhhhhh... thank you both so much! I cant wait to test this out

[restive warren]

[mellow summit]

I made it to Ceres, is there any good way to level a frame yet, or should I just keep going til Sedna?

[jovial flame]

Was Nora Nighwave Vol 7 the Stalker aesthetics one? General chat is too noisy and no one was really answering my question.

[restive warren]

You can do that on Saturn - Helene too

[restive warren]

I think so, lemme double check with wiki

Just checked yes it is

Isn't it current one or I'm confused as hek?

[jovial flame]

I know I completed the current one, that was like a month ago; I just couldn't remember which one that was. I've been away a while and only just got a new "computer" as a Steam Deck and I've been tinkering with it to do what I did on a laptop. Like reording my gameplay like a goblin.

Or rather kobold?

[median topaz]

Yes the current Nightwave is Stalkerwave

Next is 1999wave

[restive warren]

My man

[restive warren]

Late congratz on new computer

[quiet tusk]

If i could suggest the next warframe it would be a transforming warframe that has the unique ability to allow other players to mount it then allow the mount abilty to be subsumed so other frames could give piggy back rides to other warframes 😄

It would basically be a atomocycle warframe

[jovial flame]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-arcee-transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-hello-hi-gif-27199152

[restive warren]

Here is not really the place for suggestion, you'll have to try the forum under the right category.

[quiet tusk]

but they throw mean words at me on the forum 😦

and they call my ideas dumb...

[restive warren]

Yes that's called human on the internet

[median topaz]

None of the existing vehicle Warframes use that kind of behavior

[quiet tusk]

yeah thats true

[restive warren]

They don't have to be worried to be punched in the face

They have a screen to protect themselves with

[median topaz]

If an Atomicycle frame does happen it'd just be for yourself

Like Yareli and Titania

[restive warren]

Like Yareli? I mean Dagath didn't come in with the option of riding the honse in tileset

Titania is too popular to count honestly

Sorry

[median topaz]

Titania is also an archwing frame

[restive warren]

Ah you mean it that way yes

[median topaz]

Like, even the shrinking mechanic is based on archwing mode

Archwing content shrinks you and moves the camera closer

[restive warren]

... Are we actually shrinked tho? Seems fine size wise when you do plains

[median topaz]

Sorry, space based

[gloomy kayak]

Wow still Borning nightwave mix crap
Never going to get anything that keep me login daily...... after hiting L1. Rank not much of point beside story

[median topaz]

The open worlds came much later

[restive warren]

Maybe the new ephemera will look nice..?

[median topaz]

Ahh the days when the archwing launcher was a consumable

Also yeah they're not doing Nightwave story anymore

Glassmaker is one of the reasons that New War took four years

[restive warren]

Yeah the Glassmaker caused quite a ruckus

[fiery oak]

More for me

[pure gulch]

glassmaker was cool tho

[restive warren]

It's hilarious because when we used to have story, people cried for DE to stop with it

[pure gulch]

but I do understand that it takes resources from elsewhere then

[median topaz]

Not after nine months it wasn't

[restive warren]

Now it's gone, people are crying to have stories back

[median topaz]

And I only came back for the last month

[gloomy kayak]

I miss glass maker that was fun

[restive warren]

I have no issue with Glassmaker itself, but how long it lasted

[median topaz]

"hold up I'm seeing something weird--"

[pure gulch]

yeah I quit somewhere during that so I don't have a clue about how long it actually took lol

[restive warren]

"There's a glass resonance in your area"

... Again? let me do animal conservation in holy peace geez

[pure gulch]

yeah I still remember getting these in missions n stuff lmao

[median topaz]

What they should do is turn NW story into something like Grandma's Naberus stories

Every ten ranks you unlock a message from Nora with the next bit of the story

[restive warren]

Ooooh~! Yes that'd be very nice

[median topaz]

But it's just narration, no game content

[restive warren]

Or if we do, it's apart from the rest.

[gloomy kayak]

Nightwave story lines was fun...... shame all can be replayed is Scenes

[median topaz]

Once the NW season is over it gets added to the cred store as a placeable artifact, like Grandma's Naberus stories

[restive warren]

Mixing it up with gameplay was a weebit disruptive. Ngl it kept me "awake" in certain case

I love Grandma stories stuff

[median topaz]

And the Nihil fight

And the Wolf
And the Zealoid

[restive warren]

Glassmaker was disruptive, if you joined late into it you didn't see the issue most likely but like holy

[median topaz]

Hmm actually that could work

[pure gulch]

I didn't even know I could get the Vitrica with the Nihil's Oubliette and Enter Nihil's Oubliette key until my friend told me about it since I didn't get it back when the actual nightwave was on

[median topaz]

First month I was back someone tried to do Nihil in a squad

Over Discord

[restive warren]

And don't get me wrong I loved the story, it was just the glass resonance when I try to do open world content

[worldly dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1282403421189570621/1325180060394586112/caption-15.gif

[median topaz]

It was a lot of fun hearing him screaming as he got taken apart

[restive warren]

... I'm distracted by this marshmellow now

[median topaz]

I'd done Nihil already so I had Vitrica

[restive warren]

Can I eat it?

[median topaz]

Still a personal fave

[gloomy kayak]

Roasted mushmellows anyone

[restive warren]

Honestly they could've done Nightwave that included the next new update type of deal

That would've been nice to. But I think new updates are faster than nightwaves so idk how that'd go

[gloomy kayak]

That would be nice

[midnight flax]

How do I estimate the "true' rate of fire of a burst-fire weapon? (i.e.: number of bullets fired per second)

Is it just the listed rate of fire, or do I do something else?

[median topaz]

Stalkerwave basically tied into Jade Shadows, even though it came late

[lofty garden]

What do I buy??

[restive warren]

Yeah but there was no extra lore story from it, (unless there's some hidden in the flavor text)

[median topaz]

Wolf beacons

[lofty garden]

but I have all his stuff…

[restive warren]

Then you drop Wolf beacon in Netracells to make sure people ain't sleeping on the job

[median topaz]

But for real, helmets, no more than five wolf beacons, and then a bunch of blue potatoes

[gloomy kayak]

Wolf on steelpath oh fun

[restive warren]

Used to be worst

[median topaz]

"Summon him on Mot you coward"

[restive warren]

🔥 🔥

[median topaz]

https://youtu.be/yD84qgzGWtA

[restive warren]

Pink Rhino strength

[tired nova]

Ooooooooooooooo

I'm so excited for this new nightwave

Means I gotta grind the current nightwave though

Also

I wish DE would go on and revamp the passives of older warframes, Excaliburs is pretty much obsolete, mag, volt, rhino, loki

All useless!

I'll admit I don't know what to replace them with but I did get an idea for Excalibur whole watching the intro sequence

All acrobatic maneuvers (eg. Slide, bullet jump, roll) summon rhe exalted blade during it, could even give excal uniqe dash animations where he does a mini sword slash as he quickly dashes forward, bullet jumping would basically just be what was in the intro, slide could be like a mini slide attack

Needs work but I think it'd be cool so have it for excal, it'd really help sell him as a master of the blade that he is

[leaden obsidian]

Mags should be something to do with magnetic procs

Energy orb drops based on how many magnetic procs are on an enemy

Or like something

[restive warren]

Mag become glaxion augment herself but with diff element

[tired nova]

Her abilites deal more damage based on how many mag procs are on an enemy

Or actually

You know how mag procs make overgaurd and sheilds take more damage? Could make it so with mag all damage is increased on enemy's with mag procs

...nah that'd be too powerful, cutting it to just ability damage works better

[livid compass]

hello

[vale geyser]

does anyone else run into issues with mobs spawning an open world bounties?

I was running deimos bounties with a new friend, and we had to wait out for spawns twice in two bounties

[mellow summit]

How do I cook from here, I’m MR2 (can get MR3 in 3 hours)

[daring parrot]

i reccomend using redirection instead of vitality and using fast deflection

also aura mods (single one at the top) ALWAYS increase your maximum mod capacity

so you always want the aura mod maxed out

same thing applies to the stance mods for melee

[hard cliff]

ive been using gloom all this time but i just subsumed protea's 4 for Roar and omg? 77% dmg bonus to everything when used with her passive is crazy

[red vale]

#builds-discussion

[small solstice]

does melee animosity work on tennokai heavy attacks?

[daring parrot]

what's her passive again?

oh nvm i remember

[hard cliff]

every4th cast has +100% strength

i never thought about abilities like roar, or other buffs

it makes sense why people were recommending it

[daring parrot]

that gives me a really funny idea with precision intensity

[hard cliff]

omg

[daring parrot]

ok yeah i have something stupid planned. i need to test

[hard cliff]

i just put it on too 😂 going to test

but i swapped it for rolling guard (lol), im gonna have to think of something different when i get to hard SP

its probably an overkill 😂

on dmg

94% dmg buff on roar on whole party, bruh

[pure gulch]

conju survival can get some funny numbers on roar, even the subsumed one

i’ve gotten I think a 211% roar on ember there

and I imagine if you had a more strength oriented build on whatever frame you run with the same buffs it’d be even more

[hard cliff]

yeah i dont even have mods mods maxed out, the most expensive ones

[pure gulch]

I think with my normal ember at max molt augmented I’m still getting like 70-80% roars on average, but anything past like 110 or so needs buffs lol

[hard cliff]

i love protea sm im never playing other warframe again (xD)

[pure gulch]

altho ember is more situational in a sense too since her passive can make quite the big of a difference in that regard too

[hard cliff]

i leveled normal ember to 30 i liked her 4 but not really the rest, but she did seem strong yes

[pure gulch]

she’s my favorite frame atm lol

works wonderfully in SP content, haven’t tried level cap runs because I don’t really care for them but anything I do on the regular she can clear quite handily

acquired for heirloom, stayed for genuine enjoyment

[pearl parcel]

Evening spark

Yk the folks at bdubs give you free soda if you help people?

[pallid canyon]

her 4 isn’t even why she scales high

[pallid canyon]

she can do it pretty well its just a lot of spamming her overguarding augment for gate

[earnest cave]

hey guys, can someone explain what this part of the wiki means? I am aware of the concept of quantization, and it seems to be referring to the rounding portion of the calc, my question is why would a crit multi need to be quantized?

or even why specifically is there a division of 32/4095, is that a comp sci related thing

and is this something I should even care about from a modding perspective lmao

[pearl parcel]

I wouldn't worry about it

Idek what a quantize is

[earnest cave]

so it's described as mapping continuous infinite values to a smaller set of discrete finite values

the example shown seems to be that of a sine curve - yielding infinite values on its own but then reduced to a set of finite values that you can go between, represented in this screenshot

basically seems to be done to just be able to draw from something infinite in a way that would work with computing, sacrificing some precision for concrete values

[scenic sierra]

Does reload speed affect weapons with infinite ammo like shedu?

[weak iron]

Still less that if you just used her 4s augments

[hard cliff]

i dislike her original 4, im never using that

[strong field]

Definitely not

[pearl parcel]

Evening chirp, how ye doin

[strong field]

Just woke up

[pearl parcel]

At 6 pm?

Living the life brother

[strong field]

Nah I told you I live in mars

[pearl parcel]

Oh right your an australian

Keep forgetting about the inverted folk

[strong field]

Nope but close to australia

[earnest cave]

also, is the wiki calc in the example for crit headshots incorrect? the underlined part in the calculation before is explained to be "modded crit multi", which before is explained as base crit multi * 1 + (bonuses to crit multi)

in this example, it's only taking the 1 + bonuses to crit multi part and excluding Lanka's base 2x crit multiplier

full context

[strong field]

Well yea you can see before the 1+120% there's 2 x 2.0 x

[earnest cave]

ohhhhh, yeah, my bad

there's too many 2 times happening, my head's spinning

how insane is this though, I feel like this is such a huge difference of headshots and bodyshots, jesus

[strong field]

Basically headshots iirc just modifies the usual formula from
1 + tier x (modded cd - 1)
To
1 + tier x (2 x modded cd - 1)
There's just an extra 2

[strong field]

Well expect around 1.5-1.8 ish dps increase not counting the headshot multiplier yet

Not too insane, just a neat lil increase

[earnest cave]

well no, because it's taking the whole crit multi after crit tiers calc, adding a 2x in front of the modded crit multi - 1 part, and multiplying the result, what your crit damage normally would be to body shots (it would be even less though due to the aforementioned 2x), BY 3X

I understand you said "not counting the headshot multilpier yet", but considering that it's multiplying all of that, and itself can be increased through primary or secondary deadhead, this is crazy

I guess I understand why my headshot focused guns all feel like peashooters unless I'm hitting headshots, not even utilizing Acuity mods, with those it's even worse ofc

[strong field]

Yea you should try a meme headshot build with chakkhurr and epi with the new acuity mods and deadhead

[earnest cave]

man I don't have the chakkhurr yet, I need to do some lich runs

not just kuva, I still want a tenet arca plasmor lol

and just attained a xoris (which I deleted as a new player sadly) to hopefully make the sister runs easier

but yeah, heard kuva chakkhur goes wild

and I'm obsessed with the acuity mods, tried everything that would even semi-work in my loadout with them, results on boltor incarnon and braton incarnon have been amazing

[leaden obsidian]

Acuity epitaph

[strong field]

Lets say your crit multi is 10x. You do 3 crit tier aka reds. On bodyshots you'd have 28x final crit multiplier. On headshots you'd have 58x final crit multiplier. 58/28 = 1.526x. Like I said 1.5-1.8 increase in dps not counting headshot mult yet. I guess I shouldve said around 50%-80% increase

[earnest cave]

idk how you got to 1.526 there, it should be a number pretty close to 2

if we're doing 58/28

[strong field]

Its relative increase we're talking about right. How much of an increase is 58 from 28 basically

[earnest cave]

over 100%

aka 2x

[strong field]

Oh wait my bad I did the calc wrong lol

On my calculator

[earnest cave]

oh I see, yeah I was a little confused if I'm not getting something there

but ok one sec, I gotta see try this for myself real quick

also I discovered this aspect from a youtube video, which both stated that apparently DE buffed this from 2x to 3x AND that it screwed up the buff so primary acuity only has 50% effectiveness in terms of the crit chance thing

I have no idea, based on these calculations, what was even meant by that though, it makes no sense in my head

and the crit multiplier from headshots still remains at 2x

and if it was referring to the headshot multiplier, aka 3x, it shouldn't have any problems regarding Primary Acuity

or secondary, I just use primary a lot more

[gloomy tundra]

How much could I sell a +3.6 punch through and +243% damage latron riven for?

[earnest cave]

idk but the punch through stat is gonna be useless for it

due to the incarnon mode

[gloomy tundra]

Oh someone told me punch through was good:/

[earnest cave]

base damage is still nice but one positive stat does not tend to sell very high

[pure gulch]

makes sense, kinda similar to any overguard focused frame in that sense I imagine, been to level cap with kullervo albeit in duviri but I count that, overguard gating definitely one of the things of all time lol

[earnest cave]

it's good generally but not when you're shooting exploding balls. Unless DE screwed something up there, it should not synergize with the latron incarnon, and iirc doesn't based on my usage of the semi-auto mod

[gloomy tundra]

Oh

Should I just dissolve it?

[earnest cave]

why would you

[pure gulch]

I’d reroll it, latron is a really nice weapon

[earnest cave]

you can just roll it more if your intent is to sell, or sell it at whatever 1 good positive stat rivens go for

[gloomy tundra]

Idk

[pure gulch]

and yeah I don’t imagine punch through really helps the incarnon form at all since its just bouncing ball of mass destruction

[gloomy tundra]

Alr

[earnest cave]

yeah, I don't think it works, and if it did, it would probably be really bad lol, unless it exploded with each passthrough, although I'm pretty sure explosive weapons don't work that way, based on the few that have bugged interactions with explosives where they do punch through

[pure gulch]

if you want to keep the riven latron is a good weapon all things considered

but I’d still probably reroll it

[earnest cave]

there's one weapon people use semi-auto cannonade for, because it has a zoom mode which reduces fire rate, but the zoom mode from my understanding also causes explosions, and for some reason the punch through from semi-auto makes it not explode, so you have to like augment your playstyle, or run a rank 0 cannonade

so I assume that's how it would work if it did, but I remember using it on latron and it did not

[earnest cave]

it's probably one of the best primaries overall

turns out giant expolding balls of death at a high fire rate are pretty good

well giant is a bit of an exaggeration but exploding balls of death nonetheless

[pure gulch]

tbh semi-weapon cannonade can be pretty decent overall

[boreal pier]

latron has nice utility too

allota variety especially for a primary

[earnest cave]

oh it is, was just using it on my zarr the other day playing the cyte-09 zarr idea I saw on youtube

it works REALLY WELL btw

[pure gulch]

honestly just the armor strip evo makes it insane in my eyes

[pure gulch]

I think I’m using semi shotty cannonade on my strun and it works quite well

[earnest cave]

yeah, although a lot of damage builds for it don't run it from what I've seen, I mean it takes a lot of hits to armor strip all the way, especially since you need to proc puncture on those hits

[pure gulch]

its not that bad tbh

[earnest cave]

oh I was referring to the whole cyte zarr idea generally working really well but yeah, it's basically just a better serration on the weapon, so the mod is really good for it I think

[pure gulch]

even without any major puncture weighting I feel like overall it still strips pretty fast

[earnest cave]

perhaps yeah, although full stripping isn't as much of a requirement nowadays as well

feel like that was an indirect nerf to that evolution as well

[earnest cave]

anyway, do y'all have any idea what was referred to by this?

[pure gulch]

eh even then I’d still say its really good lol

[strong field]

Im not too sure about that. Either way, acuity is mult to headshot multiplier too and I seem to be doing good damage with it already

[pure gulch]

probably the biggest thing I’ve seen the difference in definitely is apex tank but thats still fairly niche in necessity

[earnest cave]

wait, what?

why is it a multiplier to headshot multiplier?

[strong field]

Yeah its another separate multiplier. I thought you knew

[strong field]

Because they're different things apparently

[earnest cave]

it says increased crit chance on headshot, I thought it meant like

you hit a headshot, your crit chance increases, that's what the mod says

well, and base damage, but I assumed that was also just additive to base damage for when you hit a headshot

[strong field]

Well no I mean the increased weakpoint damage, is multiplicative on headshot multipliers. But the CC itself is calculated the same way we just discussed about

...unless its bugged to be multiplicative as well lol

Like on chakkhurr and epitaph

[earnest cave]

so wait, when it says "x% increased Weak Point Damage", it is not referring to Base Damage, which is what Damage normally refers to, it's referring to the headshot multiplier???

[strong field]

No basically there's 4 different variables at play here. There's base damage, there's headshot multiplier, there's crit multiplier, and then there's weakpoint multiplier. All of which are multiplicative towards each other (they don't add up to one another)

[earnest cave]

oh my god, that's not even just how it works

it doesn't just multiply headshot multiplier, it multipliers headshot multiplier after headshot multiplier increases

this is so insane

[strong field]

Thats right

Think of it as a free uhh 4.25x mult to headshots, AFTER headshot multiplier applies

[earnest cave]

DE, PLEASE fix your mod wording issues

[strong field]

Or is it 4.5?

[earnest cave]

hire whoever does it for path of exile lmao

[gloomy tundra]

This any good?

[strong field]

I only explained the basic gist of it but it gets even funnier when you read the wiki

Turns out there's a hidden 1.5 mult to the 3.5

[earnest cave]

nah, you're generally looking for a bit more than just one positive stat, punch through is gonna be okay but not great, you also tend to want a curse that doesn't really do much (something like -x% zoom)

[daring parrot]

REAL

[gloomy tundra]

👍

[strong field]

But the takeaway here is that the 8.25x in the wiki is multiplicative to whatever deadhead offers

[gloomy tundra]

Is multishot any good?

I got one with +multishot +crit chance +slash -fire rate

[earnest cave]

ok so this is what was explained in the video. Basically the dude said when DE increased the headshot multiplier from 2 to 3x, someone there got a bit lazy and rather than going through everything and painstakingly modifying it, they just put a 1.5x multiplier on headshot multiplier and left it there lol

[strong field]

Ohhh

[strong field]

Well.. That's kind of too far off though. They're two different formulas

[earnest cave]

that's much better, multishot is one of the best stats to look for for almost every riven

[strong field]

One's for headshots, the other is for weakpoints.

[earnest cave]

yeah but they result in the same thing - acuity not being as effective on headshots as it may seem

[earnest cave]

yeah, but the weak point multiplier is applied to headshots, and seemingly DE is slowly removing headshots being a separate thing entirely

incarnons are already charging from weak points, seems like it will soon be obsolete

[strong field]

I guess so

[earnest cave]

which it should be

[strong field]

Another multiplier going poof

[earnest cave]

having separate weak point and headshot multipliers is just a headache lol

[cloud kite]

Sometimes weak points are not the head tho

[strong field]

To code maybe. I enjoyed it while it's still there

[earnest cave]

exactly, this is the problem with having headshot multipliers be separate
I mean I'm not saying make the multiplier go poof, I'm saying transform it into a weak point multiplier

because this is a bit ridiculous

[maiden nova]

[cloud kite]

I wish more weapons had the vesper trait

[earnest cave]

I mean yeah, then we're gonna have 2 separate weak point multipliers, which is gonna look a bit weird, but it's only gonna be the nerds who care about this stuff anyway

[cloud kite]

You should care for even more damage

[empty scroll]

smol

[cloud kite]

No

[earnest cave]

no I meant take what is now called "headshot multiplier" and literally just turn it into "weak point multiplier", keeping the separate "weak point multiplier" in place as it is

[cloud kite]

Riven good stats bleh

[strong field]

Im kinda bummed about that idea cuz if it wasnt multiplicative to each other anymore I prob wouldn't be able to do this again

[earnest cave]

again, just have two separate weak point multipliers and that's it

rather than having mechanics where you have to pick your poison in terms of headshots vs weak points

where's the fun in that

[cloud kite]

I understand what you're saying now but I wish they would make headshot multiplier higher on specific enemy types

[subtle flume]

We should have gotten rid of headshots long ago, in some enemies I don't even know where is the head, and then there's stuff like those cetus dudes where most of the body it's the head

[cloud kite]

It's easy just shoot the face

[frosty escarp]

Hello

[subtle flume]

Yeah, until you're not the one agroing

[earnest cave]

wait, there's another thing I don't understand regarding this - this says that butchers have a "weak point multiplier" stat of 3x, which from what I understand is separate from headshot multiplier, so do they, at base, just have a 9x multiplier on the head?

[pure gulch]

culverins in sanctum are funny in the way that the head looking part isn’t actually a weak point but the arms are which I only found out myself like a week or two back

[cloud kite]

You have to scan things

[subtle flume]

That would explain why they are made of paper

[strong field]

9x? As in, multiply the base weakpoint mult of 3 by another 3? So that means the headshot mult is 3? If so then that would be correct

[pure gulch]

yeah i don’t scan nothing I just be shooting and learning on the fly lol

[earnest cave]

yeah, that's what I meant 3x (weakpoint multi) * 3x (headshot multi)

[cloud kite]

Equip Helios for quick scans

[strong field]

Yea then its a free 9x separate multiplier on its head alone

[earnest cave]

and do all enemies who's heads are weak points have this interaction?

[strong field]

Im not too sure about that I'll be honest. I remember seeing some enemies have lesser headshot multiplier but I could be remembering wrong

But the point is that if the weakpoint happens to be at the head, just assume it has a huge multiplier

[subtle flume]

I remember reading somewhere that nox have resistance in everything BUT the head, so maybe that

[maiden granite]

Oommmggg they’re bringing back the nightwave landing craft!!!!!

Im so excited right now

[pure gulch]

too attached to my smeeta at this point extra loot just too good (and no I know its not the smeeta’s doing but I’m too lazy to build companions lol)

[maiden granite]

And a necramech proto skin..hmmmm

[strong field]

Ong?

[earnest cave]

ok actually how it could work is that headshot multi and weakpoint multi is kinda the same thing but weak point damage is multiplicative with headshot multi after headshot multi increases. So "Weak Point Damage" is kinda separate, but "Weak Point Multiplier" and "Headshot Multiplier" is the same for enemies who's heads are weak points

[maiden granite]

YES

[cloud kite]

I wish they would bring back some of the old necramechs skins

[maiden granite]

It’s in the announcements for the upcoming nightwave stuff

[strong field]

Could be, though I just assumed that using acuity just brings a whole different multiplier to the headshot multiplier. Without it, you'd lose out on a ton of damage.

[maiden granite]

New nightwave stuff all sounds lit

[strong field]

Actually

[earnest cave]

because when I click on the "Weak Point Multiplier" thing on the page where it's explaining the interaction with Acuity, it takes me to the page for the multipliers of different enemies, where Butcher is just listed as "3x Headshot Multiplier" @strong field

[strong field]

The weakpoint mult already exists before acuity

Hmmm

Im even more confused

[earnest cave]

well it seems like it does, since it's not additive with headshot multiplier effects, but there also isn't just an extra 3x to the already existing 3x

aka there isn't a base it's increasing, and that base is a separate 3x multiplier from the existing 3x multiplier, it's increasing the headshot multiplier by being an extra multiplier to pre-existing headshot multiplier effects

[strong field]

If it was multiplicative it wouldn't make sense to add them up resulting in 8.25x right? So the 3x on the snippet I shared mustve been an entirely different multiplier already existing before acuity, so these two multipliers has always existed (?)

[earnest cave]

although it seems like it also works weird, because the way it's described in the wiki, the relative increase is 175%, because what it does is takes the 3x, or I assume whatever the headshot multiplier is after increases, and adds 3.5 * 1.5 to it

[strong field]

So the way i see it is

[maiden granite]

[earnest cave]

yeah, like it adds to it but in a way where it's still sorta multiplicative with headshot multiplier, as long as you look at primary acuity as not "+350% Weak Point Damage", but "+175% Weak Point Damage"

[strong field]

The headshot mult is 3. Can be increased by deadhead.
The weakpoint is another 3. Can be increased by acuity (with a hidden mult of 1.5).
Both of which are multiplicative towards each other

[earnest cave]

although wait a second, if the headshot multi is bigger, and the 3.5 * 1.5 part is the same, it does diminish

[earnest cave]

but like

why wouldn't the weak point multi page make it clear that there are two multipliers then

[leaden obsidian]

[earnest cave]

ok I need to head into simulacrum and actually perform tests

on how much headshots increase damage

[strong field]

Just means someone is inconsistent in the wiki

[earnest cave]

and then how much acuity increases damage

and then how much acuity increases damage with deadhead equipped

[strong field]

Yea can ya tell me the result once you're done

[earnest cave]

give me a second here

[maiden granite]

Hi kiddo! How ya doin

[leaden obsidian]

I’m doin well

[maiden granite]

Good!

[strong field]

Sorry for all the wall of text

Maybe its best we discussed it in builds

[maiden granite]

Lol you’re good!! My brain just starts crying because i dont comprehend the multipliers and i wish i did

Carry on!

[strong field]

Hmm okay then

Im just waiting for the result of their test

[pearl parcel]

Hey chirp, guess what

[strong field]

Im also not understanding this completely. I just always assumed there has been 2 different multipliers when you shoot an enemy's head in the current meta. Maybe one of the mults never existed before acuity existed but im not sure

[tender dome]

I'm MR 16... how much more do I need to level it until daily stand caps stop being a problem... cause right now they are slowly but surely demotivating me from playing the game lol

[leaden obsidian]

Yeah, been grinding 7 days to die

[strong field]

Maybe until daily standing reaches 30k

Mine's at 27.5k and im mr23 so that means you still need uhh mr30 💀

[sterile gorge]

Yo i got the boar riven first try and this build after one cycle

[pearl parcel]

Chirp

[strong field]

Yea? You were gonna say smth

[pure gulch]

need mr28 for 30k cap

[lyric lotus]

[strong field]

Oh wait

[pearl parcel]

Yknow bdubs waitresses give you free soda if you help people

[strong field]

I did the math wrong then

[maiden granite]

I wonder 🤔

[pure gulch]

I forget if it was like 16k+500 per rank

[pearl parcel]

Today I learned that, I carried some ladies food to her car cause it was a giant catering crate and I got three mtn dews on the house

[pure gulch]

sounds about right actually

[pearl parcel]

I was just trying to be helpful though

[strong field]

Nice

[maiden granite]

Oooohh myyy yeah horror and i do not get along. OH do you know if they fixed the crashing with Ark Ascended?

[strong field]

Free food/drinks are always welcome in my area

[solar halo]

But what sort of psycho orders mountain dew for a catering order

[leaden obsidian]

Not a clue. What pc do you have

[solar halo]

Are you sure she didn't take your kidneys

[strong field]

We don't got mtn dew we got sprite instead. Similar I guess

[pearl parcel]

I had no idea this was the case though, I just offered to lend a hand cause the kitchen staff probably had better crap to so and I wasn't busy

[pearl parcel]

She didn't order mountain dew, I did

I got a table after I helped the lady and my server gave me free drinks and refills for me meal

[maiden granite]

Sprite is better. You can clean rust off of things with Mtn Dew it’s battery acid disguised as a drink

[maiden granite]

Well…it’s kind of a custom built/pre built situation. I’ll have to look it up because i miss playing Ark. i might just have to do palworld for now

Which i also love

[pearl parcel]

Sprite is nice, but bdubs don't sell it to my knowledge

And a good glass of dew goes well with fries and boneless wings

[maiden granite]

Bdubs boneless wings are quite good

[pearl parcel]

Aye, some of the best

[strong field]

Yea I remember that one zackfilms ytshorts explaining how mtn dew company got sued for having a rat in their drink but then they proved it's false by showing how a rat would get dissolved if it was covered in dew. Which kinda backfired

[maiden granite]

They fry in beef tallow so they get extra crispy on the outside and juicy on the inside

[pearl parcel]

Their fries are beat only by rally's

[leaden obsidian]

Well what’s your gpu, ram, that sorta thing

[strong field]

Also I just prefer sprite :3

[maiden granite]

Their fries and wedges are so gooood. That beef tallow just cooks everything perfect

[leaden obsidian]

Ark is a pretty taxing game on your pc

[pearl parcel]

I prefer the wedges to fries personally

[maiden granite]

I bet it’s my ram

[maiden granite]

ME TOO

[pearl parcel]

Crap I ordered thst wrong

[maiden granite]

Hehe i like the lemon lime bubbles

[pearl parcel]

I'm typing while listening to class

[strong field]

Smth about cold sprite makes me wanna jiggy

[pearl parcel]

I meant to say I prefer fries to wedges, the only time wedges are better is home made cause I got a special seasoning blend

[verbal oak]

is venari bugged on hollavania mission ? i cant summon her

[pearl parcel]

Cold, crisp sprite is always good

[leaden obsidian]

Could be, I looked up the requirements and it’s like 16gb of ram minimum, recommended is 32gb

[maiden granite]

Seasoned wedges are superior. You gotta have some seasoning otherwise it’s too much potato

[maiden granite]

Shweee i think i have 16?…wait…now i gotta look gosh darn it

[pearl parcel]

Cayenne, barbecue powder, and sea salt, alongside vinegar dust

[strong field]

Me when I give my friend a sprite instead of water like they asked (they're diabetic)

[earnest cave]

@strong field hey, idk if armor should do this, but would it affect the results in a huge way? if so, do you know a Warframe which armor strips without dealing any damage or applying any status effects (aside from maybe Corrosive, since that shouldn't skew things too much)?

[leaden obsidian]

Do it

[strong field]

Maybe nekros with terrify

[earnest cave]

oh wait Mag

with her 3

[maiden granite]

Drinking it through a straw for the extra crispy

[earnest cave]

oh it does deal magnetic damage

shouldn't skew results though?

[strong field]

Yea I mean magnetic only affects shields and og so its fine

[earnest cave]

how much strength do you need on Mag to full strip a Grineer

[maiden granite]

I will later. Gotta finish adulting lol. Have you played palworld?

[strong field]

Around 134 iirc but ask bigboy for that

[earnest cave]

anyway know that info off-hand?

ok, I'll put in an Umbral Intensify

[maiden granite]

Malt vinegar or regular?

[leaden obsidian]

I have, I enjoyed it for a while

[earnest cave]

ok it seems to not skew anything here

[leaden obsidian]

Probably like 130ish

[pearl parcel]

Regular vinegar is the dust, but I di have a spray bottle of malt vinegar I like to spray on foods before air frying at home

[maiden granite]

They added more islands and pals since i last played

[earnest cave]

umbral intensify works, that's all I care about

[leaden obsidian]

I’ll have to reinstall it then

[maiden granite]

Malt vinegar is so good on fries

Now i want some darn it

I gotta make dinner lol im hungry

[pearl parcel]

If you coat some chicken strips in it before cooking it and cook it to 425 for 30 minutes it gets crisper than mcdonalds sprite

[strong field]

I created my own vinegar before. In a lab 😈 it contains all sorts of chemicals still in it like catalysts and reagents

care to try some?

[verbal oak]

anyone now if its normal i cannot summon Venari on hollvania mission ? she is totally absent and i cannot summon her

[leaden obsidian]

Make food

[maiden granite]

What mission is it?

[verbal oak]

spore scrub

[maiden granite]

No thank youuu chirpyy girl

[verbal oak]

i started the mission from the backroom

[maiden granite]

You should be able to have her with you

[pearl parcel]

Also, luna, lmk if ye want a recipe for hard tack, I have a recipe for old timey ships biscuits that tastes good and keeps for ages

[maiden granite]

I would like to keep my teeth for as long as i can sleepy

[strong field]

Should I warframe

[maiden granite]

Is this ever a question?

[leaden obsidian]

Yes

[maiden granite]

Haha

[cobalt hatch]

Yes. Get on that grindset my brother

[strong field]

Yes :( either I warframe or sleep or play my gacha game or play my dad's ps4

[pearl parcel]

Then soak them in soup, coffee, tea, hot chocolate, or rum, grog, or ale first

[cobalt hatch]

PLAY WARFRAME

[maiden granite]

Soup! I make a mean chicken dumpling soup

[verbal oak]

that strange, i will retry later

[strong field]

Before I go warframe. Have a very low res meme

[pearl parcel]

Chicken soup, beef soup, pork soup, any kind of stew, soups made of various fish, vegetables, whatever, just a hot liquid to soften the biscuit for those with weak teeth

I prefer them dry because I like the crunch and sometimes like to cut them to make cracker sandwiches

[maiden granite]

What wings did you order? I like their rubs

[worldly dome]

i'm so ready for a good friday

[maiden granite]

Im gonna. Gotta do dishes first yipppeee. I an not quite spoiled enough to have a dishwasher lawl

[untold burrow]

im actually done bro some kid in my alliance (MR 7, nothing good but Excal Umbra) insulted my clanmate and dissed the most tiktoker bs ive ever heard

[pearl parcel]

10 salt and vinegar boneless, of course it's Thursday so I got 20 for thst price

[leaden obsidian]

Oof

[worldly dome]

rare good sleepyboi meal (deserved)

[maiden granite]

Shooot i forgot about their wing deal on thursdays

[pearl parcel]

Aye, it's about time things turn around

[worldly dome]

[pearl parcel]

Now that we got an oven again I may make tack soon enougj

[maiden granite]

Tomorrow my friend. Tomorrow.

[worldly dome]

today

[maiden granite]

OMG

LOL

I forgot you’re in that time zone. That’s hilarious

[untold burrow]

LOOL

[pearl parcel]

The clock is broken lad, there is no 0 oclock

[untold burrow]

AT 00:01 TOO

[worldly dome]

"that timezone" why'd you say that like i live in some forbidden dimension 😭

[worldly dome]

???

[untold burrow]

12:01 in central i think

[strong field]

Living in the Andromeda galaxy with this one

[worldly dome]

bro's out here using 12hr clocks

[pearl parcel]

I'm American, of course I use a functioning clock

[maiden granite]

Not a forbidden dimension just THE FUTURE

[untold burrow]

Luna you mf i said I THINK

[worldly dome]

😐

[maiden granite]

🤣 🤣

[pearl parcel]

You have morning and afternoon/evening, 1-12

[worldly dome]

americans scared of the number 13

[untold burrow]

thats it

[worldly dome]

Yes, in a 24 hour day

[untold burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gauss-gauss-prime-gif-2327414794049684011

[pearl parcel]

Two twelve hour cycles

[worldly dome]

but 1 distinct day 😐

[untold burrow]

guess what 2x12 is mf

[maiden granite]

Uh oh

[pearl parcel]

Yea

[worldly dome]

in which the two times of the same number are vastly different

3am is not comparable to 3pm

[maiden granite]

Here comes to debate between a 12 and 24hr clock

[untold burrow]

"UH OH" IS DAMN RIGHT

[pallid canyon]

Level capping in duviri doesnt count, but yeah, it’s just spamming her 3rd and shooting every now and then when you get breathing room

[pearl parcel]

The morning is for waking up and getting prepared, you eat lunch at noon, then prepare for night in the evening

[untold burrow]

exactly

[maiden granite]

24hr clock makes more sense imo

[pearl parcel]

Yknow what, I don't want to argue today, be happy with your wrongness sab, it's too cold for this crap

[maiden granite]

Dude it is too cold

[strong field]

"I just follow my phone format ever since I got it"

[maiden granite]

Fricken 10 degrees out

[worldly dome]

wrongness
Genuinely can't exist on the internet alongside Americans who declare everything foreign as wrong bro 😭

[pearl parcel]

The other day it was -4 before wind

[maiden granite]

Was a high of -10 yesterday

[worldly dome]

Lets not bring up Fahrenheit vs Celcius

[untold burrow]

fr??

[pearl parcel]

It was so cold my car wouldn't start at lunch

[leaden obsidian]

You canadian?

[maiden granite]

We were colder than Alaska last few days!

[worldly dome]

My car loves to stutter when it's even slightly cold

[untold burrow]

crazy

[maiden granite]

Canada come get your weather!!! It got into the beer and is now drunk and now blowing cold air all down here

[earnest cave]

@strong field ok so I have all the study prepared including the methodology, although I won't bore you with the details

So it's weird basically, the calculations lined up perfectly with Acuity and Deadhead separately but then I put in both and I got a total multiplier of 10.1x for headshots (30 vs 303). Keep in mind, my Acuity is at 318%, that was taken into account for all of this.

That DID NOT line up with the theory that it would calculate the Headshot Multiplier after increases and then add the Acuity bonus to it, as seems to be shown in the Wiki, however this calculation works:

(Headshot Multiplier + Acuity Bonus * 1.5) * Headshot Multiplier Bonus (from Deadhead). In other words, 30 was the damage for the body, so 30 * (3 + 3.18 * 1.5) * 1.3 = 303.

[pearl parcel]

Hey luna, i made a funny laser the other day

[pallid canyon]

A reminder that if Americans were supposed to use the metric system those Brit pirates wouldn’t have raided that french ship

[untold burrow]

GOTTEM

[leaden obsidian]

[worldly dome]

.... what?

[pearl parcel]

It's an antimaterial laser, ot removes material from whatever you point it at

[strong field]

Im fine with whatever unit of temperature or time but what doesn't make sense to me still is why people still use british units for length n weight etc like feet and pounds etc when meters is just easier to calculate? Don't make me do an extra multiplier when im tryna figure out what 5 lb/s is in kg/s 😭

[maiden granite]

DANNNG shots fired!

[earnest cave]

@strong field in other words, Headshot Multiplier bonuses and Weak Point Damage bonus from Acuity are multiplicative with each other, however the Headshot Multiplier bonus is calculated at the end of this

[maiden granite]

Fancy

[strong field]

Ooh

[worldly dome]

what shots were fired? lmao, i have no idea what that even means

[untold burrow]

VERBAL shots fired, my friend

[pearl parcel]

It's good at swatting that aggravating helicopter hovering too close to your mining rig

[untold burrow]

who tf tried to send that link

[worldly dome]

What verbal shots though?

[maiden granite]

I jk. We are aware we are all joking right?

[strong field]

Makes perfect sense actually

[worldly dome]

I DONT KNOW WHAT WE'RE JOKING ABOUT I DONT GET IT

[untold burrow]

real

[worldly dome]

pirates????

[pearl parcel]

Or that satellite that's a little too red for your tastes

[maiden granite]

Tis not important

[untold burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/togeinumaki-toge-inumaki-jjk-jujutsukaisen-gif-26805090

[pearl parcel]

Hey, that's heresy

[worldly dome]

destiny 2 reference

[untold burrow]

LOL

[pearl parcel]

No, Warhammer reference

Wrong kind of heresy sab

[pallid canyon]

Jefferson basically was like “wow this french math system is really cool we should use it”
The ship with measurements got blown off course into the caribbean where it got robbed by English pirates

[untold burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touching-grass-destiny-2-destiny-gif-9101972418909821881

[worldly dome]

Warframe reference in new Destiny 2 season

[worldly dome]

interesting, but who is jefferson

[maiden granite]

Ya know what, can they just go away already?

[worldly dome]

wat

[untold burrow]

accurate to the.... nah nvm im not gonna go there

[pearl parcel]

Thomas jefferson

[pallid canyon]

Thomas Jefferson

[maiden granite]

Fricken leeches

[worldly dome]

oh gotcha, i heard of him

[maiden granite]

Destiny 2

[strong field]

So did you learn anything from this

[worldly dome]

LEECHES? LOL WHAT

[untold burrow]

yeah the lightbulb guy

[worldly dome]

That was Edison

[pearl parcel]

That guy that did a bunch of strange crap in france and lived like a playboy despite being like, 30 and shaped like a bowling ball

[untold burrow]

oh sh-

[maiden granite]

Destiny 2 they leech money from everyone then take everything away people spent money on

[untold burrow]

oh wait yeah

[pearl parcel]

Oh and he did the founding fathers stuff

[worldly dome]

lmao alright

[untold burrow]

cue yapping

[worldly dome]

oh that's a bit more important than the france thing

maybe lead with that

[strong field]

que?

[earnest cave]

in all cases, it seems like Acuity has a relative effect equal to half of the effect shown on the Weak Point Damage area. So in this case, when looking at Base Headshots vs Acuity Headshots and Deadhead Headshots vs Acuity Deadhead headshots, my relative increases in both cases was roughly 159% (half of 318%, where my Acuity is at). Whereas the Difference between Acuity no Deadhead and Acuity with Deadhead is 30%, as the Headshot Multiplier increase from Deadhead implies.

[pearl parcel]

I'll cue up a howitzer if you don't pipe down

[worldly dome]

:O

[untold burrow]

aw

[maiden granite]

Imma need one to take out Elon’s drones

[pearl parcel]

You blunt

[untold burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/togeinumaki-toge-inumaki-jjk-jujutsukaisen-gif-26805090

[worldly dome]

inumaki :3

[pearl parcel]

It shoots down satellites too

[pearl parcel]

That's heresy

[maiden granite]

That’s impressive

[untold burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-eyebrow-raise-gif-23550103

[untold burrow]

fym TOGE INUMAKI is HERESY!?

[maiden granite]

Perfect, give me 14

[pearl parcel]

The name alone is heretical, weeb nonsense

[worldly dome]

weeb nonsense
a japanese name

[pearl parcel]

Sure, it costs 50k materials for a small deck gun model, or a satbuster sentry for 300k materials

[untold burrow]

two types of ppl in this world.

sends gif
"Inumaki :3"
"Thats heresy"

[earnest cave]

yes, Acuity and Deadhead are for sure multiplicative and while the Headshot damage increase should correspond perfectly with the 30% bonus shown, the Acuity bonus is always going to be a relative increase of half the damage shown on the mod

now, how Crit goes into all of this I don't want to go into, seems like too much of a headache, but I assume based on all of this info you can make similiar conclusions. Actually, real quick I'll do a Deadhead crit and an Acuity Deadhead crit to see if the results stay the same (159% damage increase).

[untold burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/itadori-yuji-itadori-jujutsu-kaisen-black-flash-hanami-gif-10392490987406168076

[leaden obsidian]

What I miss? Am watching youtube but also don’t wanna miss anything

[pearl parcel]

I can't stand weebs

[maiden granite]

Toast is about to get silenced by an admin for unrelated gif spamming

[untold burrow]

inhales

[worldly dome]

It's not "being a weeb" to be Japanese or watch anime

[maiden granite]

Nothin important

[untold burrow]

whats funny is im half japanese

[pearl parcel]

The second bit is weebery

[worldly dome]

Big difference between being a weeb and just watching anime brother

[pearl parcel]

No

[worldly dome]

BIG difference

[untold burrow]

ok this dude

[earnest cave]

@strong field YEP, EXACTLY THE SAME INCREASE

Tier 1 crits, so there does need to be some more testing to see how it goes into when you get Orange and over but 159% increase of Acuity Deadhead crits vs Deadhead crits

[untold burrow]

imma go get dinner like a sane guy rq

[earnest cave]

actually I should do some of that testing right now shouldn't I

[maiden granite]

OH RIGHT FOOD. I was gonna make food

Sheesh got distracted

[tender dome]

:skill:

[strong field]

I think crit is just a separate multiplier since the beginning of time so it makes sense (doesn't interfere with the 159%)

It needs its own testing separate from this headshot and acuity

What needs testing is whether the cc from acuity is multiplicative towards normal cc mods like crit delay or not cuz on some weps it is as such

[earnest cave]

once again, exactly the same increase with Orange Crits

my conclusion to all of this: the Weak Point Damage from Primary Acuity (or Secondary, they probably work the same), will always no matter what increase your damage by half of the shown value, in my case, 159%. Which is still insane but you do have to keep in mind that it's 2.75x (with maxed Acuity), not 4.5x

[earnest cave]

yep, just had to make sure, since crit tiers with headshots is like a long calculation that hurts my head a little, was thinking perhaps it does something weird at higher crit tiers

[earnest cave]

I can check right now, but I doubt it

[strong field]

True. Even on the case of the butcher at max acuity its still 8.25/3 = 2.75x mult aka 175% increase (or half of 350%)

Thanks for this new idea

[strong field]

I don't think you need to cuz the wiki already gave an existing list

[strong field]

I meant to reply to the other text mb

[strong field]

But hold on a sec. What if the base headshot mult isn't always 3? Unless it is always 3 but I never had the impression its fixed at 3

[earnest cave]

it's not always 3

but you just change the Headshot Multiplier in the calculation

I could test on 4x mobs I guess, I'll just quickly lay to rest the multiplicative thing

should be quite easy since the difference if it is multiplicative is 368,9% crit chance vs 216,3 %, will see immediately based on if it's guaranteed orange or guaranteed red

[strong field]

It's basically
(H + 3.5 x 1.5) x H
Divided by
(H) x H
Lol so it can't have been always half of 3.5 can it? Thatd be a huge coincidence

[earnest cave]

it's guaranteed orange, crit chance is additive between crit chance mods and acuity

[strong field]

What wep are you using?

[earnest cave]

divided by?

what's the h * h

[strong field]

Isnt that how you got the 159%

[earnest cave]

zenith, for the low crit chance

[strong field]

Based on your formula

[earnest cave]

oh, yeah, I divided the acuity deadhead damage vs the deadhead damage

[strong field]

It was (headshot + acuity x 1.5) x headshot
Without acuity wouldn't that mean headshot² or am I tripping

[earnest cave]

no you're misunderstanding, it's not headshot squared

it's not 3 * 3, it's 3 * 1.3, since the headshot multiplier bonus, as accentuated in the calculation but maybe not clear enough, is the bonus from Deadhead, aka 30%

[strong field]

Ohh your right

[earnest cave]

it's basically the same with or without acuity, 30% multiplier on headshot damage

as is shown on the mod

I mean arcane

[restive warren]

[strong field]

By the way I tested with a 4x headshot mult

[restive warren]

I'm gonna come back when the math class is over

[earnest cave]

this is big stuff man, damage multiplication, that's like half of what warframe is about

[strong field]

Its supposedly (4 + 3.5 x 1.5) / 4 right? The result is 2.3125 aka 131% increase so I guess its not always half of what's shown on the mod

[restive warren]

I already ate my homework, so you'll need to give me a second set for later snack

I mean what

[strong field]

It just so happens to be half when the headshot mult is 3

[earnest cave]

ok one sec, I need to do some testing on this

so first off, your acuity is maxed?

[strong field]

Yee

[earnest cave]

ok, was just checking, then the calc seems sound

[strong field]

You could try with yours too though

[earnest cave]

4 + 3.5* 1.5 for the headshot damage without deadhead, then divided by 4, headshot damage without acuity

which enemy were you testing with?

is it literally only nox with a 4x multi?

[strong field]

Ye was doing it on nox

[earnest cave]

did you make sure to take into account helmet broken vs helmet not broken

[strong field]

Either way for most enemies acuity just seems to increase your headshot damage by half of what's stated on the mod

[strong field]

Yes. Helmet not broken is still 175% increase

Helmet broken its lower, precisely 131%

[earnest cave]

wait

what is happening, I'm dealing 30 damage to his head when the helmet is broken

[strong field]

???

[earnest cave]

that's the base damage of the weapon

with both primary acuity and deadhead btw

[strong field]

Hmm

[earnest cave]

let me take them off

[strong field]

I should try using another mob. Maybe with only 1x headshot mult

[earnest cave]

OH NO ARMOR STRIP

wait, can you not armor strip nox?

[strong field]

Try with a neg damage corro stripper

[earnest cave]

assuming I have negative base damage rivens lol

uh

[strong field]

This is too bothersome I guess lol

[earnest cave]

idk, either way I won't be able to full strip with corrosive

[strong field]

Lets try out on another mob hold on

[earnest cave]

don't have green shards on any of my frames

I have one on mesa ig

[restive warren]

🐛 maybe

[earnest cave]

there is no other mob, although we can use some of the different headshot multipliers to test anyway

doesn't HAVE to be 4x

but wtf, first time I'm learning nox can't be stripped

can I deal low enough damage with latron to strip him maybe

ok latron works

now I gotta wait for the puncture buffs to run out

ok, acuity deadhead on latron now, 103 base damage

let see

[tidal dock]

Does every sister of parvos are freaks?

[earnest cave]

YAY HEADSHOT MULTI IS WORKING

[strong field]

So hows it?

[earnest cave]

so acuity deadhead lines up with the 10,1x multiplier perfectly

now time to test without acuity

[strong field]

If its still 175% idk anymore lol

[earnest cave]

ok this is weird

I think i found the problem

deadhead no acuity dealt 4x the damage, aka = to multiplier

maybe deadhead is bugged and doesn't apply to nox headshots?

[strong field]

It was also very inconsistent when I shot my non inc braton

[earnest cave]

it's not exactly 4x though...

[strong field]

I guess nox was uh

[earnest cave]

ok

[strong field]

Not a good example. I did come across a 131%

[earnest cave]

uh the wiki is full of it seems like, his headshot multi on his head is 3x

just tested without anything, 309 damage vs 103

[strong field]

Hmmm

[earnest cave]

is his head not where his helmet is? I'll try shooting around the body to see what happens

[strong field]

Honestly we can just conclude that for most enemies it'll just be half of what's shown on the mod. I kinda wanna leave it at that

[earnest cave]

sure, we don't have to go into it but now it seems like the wiki is just wrong

just shot literally everywhere on his body, all bodyshots except on his head

[strong field]

Someone's been very inconsistent yea

What were we talking about before? Lol it went from smth about headshot quantization to acuity stuff

[earnest cave]

oh that part was unimportant, I was just curious about how headshots multipliers worked, especially with crits

@restive warren math lesson officially over it seems

someone's gotta tell the wiki editors there's wrong info there though

[strong field]

Ong I can finally uh sleep >:)

[earnest cave]

I will say

headshot multi on head does seem lower with helmet, although it does seem closer to 2x

honestly, no idea what's happening, not gonna investigate further, the broad idea is out there

especially since it's not exactly 2x, it's a little over 2x

it's like there's some weird DR thing happening and it's not actually a different multiplier, or both, who knows

oh, maybe some overguard thing but idk about that

[restive warren]