paleontology

[full lagoon]

Oh nice

[balmy oyster]

Maybe the ants felt like having a nice view of the skyline

[haughty kraken]

ajaja no encerio you don't know why it looks like this

[paper parcel]

That's just bees/wasps

[runic heart]

Brazilian spino:

Ok, how likely is it that those cheek bone things were actual cheek bones?

[fossil ingot]

Still weird they scaled the Skeletal to the Holotype and not the Vert
Proof the Vert is just Scale bars Moment

[wind prairie]

funny how people always want to whine about hadrosaurs being portrayed as defenseless when there's an actually armored herbivore that just exists as fodder for another animal in all of its appearances

[paper parcel]

all 1 of its appearances, walking with monsters

[bright veldt]

In Life on our Planet it did put up a bit of a fight even if it still lost.

[wind prairie]

also primeval and like almost all paleoart with it I can think of
same with moas tbh

[thorn grove]

Tbf Scutosaurus doesn’t have much in the way of weapons either

I’ve seen some paleo art where the adults are implied to be “too big” at least when there’s smaller ones around

[paper parcel]

I imagine it just bites or headbutts things to death, or runs them over.

Maybe cotylorhynchus just tail slaps or tries to claw things

[balmy oyster]

It’s possible to crosscale all the specimens but it’s kind of a pain

[harsh forge]

are ceratopsids too front heavy to swim

[fossil ingot]

Scuto just wide

[stiff osprey]

They can swim fine, but they can't passively float with the head above water

[paper parcel]

Stronk

[quick lintel]

I don't know what the hell you are but I like you, creature

[jagged trellis]

it looks slightly like me

[paper parcel]

trex and spinosaurus may be cool, but can they say they kill sauropods 2 times their own weight?

[charred hearth]

rex? probably, someone send a rex and alamo comparison

[paper parcel]

rex doesn't even live in the same area as alamosaurus

[charred hearth]

??? okay then no because it didnt live with any sauropods

[thorn grove]

tbh I wouldn't doubt Tyrannosaurus could kill Sauropods larger than itself even if it's less specialized for it than Carcharodontosaurids

[paper parcel]

the humble stomp or kick, the fact its not a pack hunter.

[thorn grove]

probably less crippling than you think

[woeful falcon]

How do we know giganotosaurus was a pack hunter

[thorn grove]

in the image you showed the Andesaurus has legs no bigger than the Giga and I doubt anyone would argue a Giga or rex would cripple another member of its species with a single kick

[paper parcel]

giga wasn't but mapusaurus was and was a highly specialized megatheropod that adapted to kill or atleast feed off of argentinosaurus

[bright veldt]

I do personally think a sauropod of that size is within the range of a large carchar like that. Predators can and often do take prey larger than they are, and this isn't a 20+ ton giant.

[paper parcel]

carcharadontids are just peak

[woeful falcon]

Also gonna burst the bubble a bit, it's not unlikely they hunted mostly juvies or pretty weak adults, be it from injury, illness, age, etc

[charred hearth]

ARGENTINOSAURUS?
not: Choconsaurus, Cienciargentina, Limaysaurus , Sidersaura???

[bright veldt]

This however is conjecture. I do need to remind people that for every giant argentinosaur in an environment there's 5 sauropods similar in size to the carchar itself that're way easier, plus all the immature individuals.

[thorn grove]

the fact that sauropods are graviportal limits their ability to defend themselves quite a bit since they would struggle to even throw their weight around

I would honestly see a 15-20 ton Shant being harder to take down than a similarly sized Sauropod and I would hardly argue Shant is immune from Tyrannosaurs either

[charred hearth]

crazy that limayasaurus lived with both giga and mapu

does anyone have a size comparison between rex and alamosaurus? ( modern )

[woeful falcon]

I'd make one. But I don't wanna.

Am in bed and tired. I didn't need to say any of this

[balmy oyster]

Yes (kid named Alamosaurus)

[balmy oyster]

Dude edmonto fans WON’T be happy to hear this.

[thorn grove]

edmont fans also won't like the fact that whether predators can take prey larger than themselves or not isn't even relevant to edmont

[balmy oyster]

Ok fair

[charred hearth]

say one positive thing about edmonto fans

[balmy oyster]

I appreciate how they care more for it than paleontologists do for it

Also ASIDE FROM ITS ~2 ONLY GIANT SPECIMENS it’s honestly a pretty cool animal that DESERVES TO BE RESEARCHED MORE

[thorn grove]

I like how Edmontosaurus annectens seems to have specialized in grazing more than other Hadrosaurs

actually Edmontosaurins in general have quite interesting dietary paths

[stiff osprey]

I like that it preserves some of the largest bonebeds of any dinosaur

[queen oar]

Would you guys eat a bone?

[paper parcel]

Better question, Would you guys rather pay taxes, or be forced to become a large dino of any kind with only your basal instincts, little memory

[charred hearth]

how realistic would it be for a adult megalania to be climbing tree's? im gonna assume its too fat for that?

[pure plinth]

No it weighs way too much

[gleaming talon]

Well i mean there is a chance that some tyrannosauruses were becoming more social then others possibly due to selection

[gleaming talon]

As an Australian, taxes

[gleaming talon]

Rex wasnt built to kill large sauropods
Carcharodontosaurids like acro giga and titan were

[charred hearth]

wasnt specialized*

[bright veldt]

Even then if tarbosaurus was doing it I don't see why trex couldn't, practically speaking.

[keen citrus]

Just discovered this creature thanks to my friend who introduced me to it i like it i want facts about this silly creature

[charred hearth]

zhuchengtyrannus was also doing it right? probably hunted Zhuchengtitan more then shant ToT

[gleaming talon]

I couldn’t remember the spelling

[runic rover]

Best I could find

[runic rover]

I have the suspicion Giga killed someone's beloved relative cold blooded in this chat because this is the second time in a row I see a fuss about it :/

[paper parcel]

Giganotosaurus is peak, tyrannotitan is just mini giga

[gleaming talon]

Nah Meraxis gigas is the best

[runic rover]

You forget Tarbo had at least one minor adaptation for hunting sauropods, which is the most important: serrated teeth for slashing and gaping open bleeding wounds.

Tyrannosaurus had none of its adaptation, because while it could easily overpower a younger sauropod, its adaptations were for brawling weaponized creatures of more or less its size and possibly overpower them with their powerful musculature and bite, that is NOT a thing you do with a sauropod, maybe adolescent or lower.

[undone rapids]

Serrated teeth are found in all carnivorous theropods including rex, dunno how different those serrations are between rex and tarbo, if at all.

[runic heart]

There’s also that jaw locking thing in Tarbosaurus, though idk how holding something in place specifically helps hunt sauropods. Theres also the fact of sauropods being the most common thing it lived with.

[runic rover]

You have to picture Rex's teeth as bananas in shape.

Giganotosaurus is more like a steak knife

Tarbo is a very very sharp banana basically.

All of the 3 are serrated, but some are more serrated.

Tarbo's shape is much more similar to a carcharodontosaurid's, again, for cutting and slashing, perhaps even ripping chunks, Rex is more for puncturing bones and then hydraulic press them.

Carch and Giga teeth, you may see some huge semblance between Tarbo and these.

[halcyon cobalt]

the “jaw locking mechanism” basically just enhances the skull’s ability to handle stress

[runic heart]

So kinda for sauropods then

Bro the pachy is another edited JW stigymoloch 💀. This is why you don’t have Speilberg produce a documentary series, cause he has access to all the Jurassic Park/World assets to reuse…

[white matrix]

I've been out of touch with paleontology but something about rhamph and thal's hands being turned back when walking seems suspicious to me.
Is it a PoT design issue or pterosaur locomotion update? I have memory only about azhdarchids being like this

[runic rover]

Apparently it's a common "sauropod hunter" kind of adaptation too, I was about to say that Tarbo only really have the serrated teeth but It's so freaking cool to learn it had even more adaptations for it.

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-no-thinking-nope-skinner-gif-16471648

Also, are we seriously suggesting that just because an animal isn't explicitly adapted for something means that it never happened?

Its not like the question is if Tyrannosaurus sifted detritus and small animals from the mud, its if it could potentially occasionally hunt sauropods

[quick lintel]

It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize allosaurids, carchardontids, metricanthosaurids, and basically everything that seemed to be some kind of prehistoric slasher, were all just like. Basically the same dino. Just different variations of each other. The "can I copy ur homework" of dino taxon
Like how are you gonna tell me conca is technically related to something like. giganotosaurus this goober?????? Triangle butt?? How these guys are even remotely in some level of proximity on a taxonomic level of family tree blows my mind

[floral ivy]

Does anyone knows the size estimate of the Titanosaurus indicus?

[light osprey]

It’s just the suture between the angular and dentary it’s not all that

[granite thicket]

If youre talking about the funny pillar man sauropod, I think it was around saltasaurus size

[runic rover]

It's like, they all did one job very well so they just changed in sizes and stuffs, but they indeed just went "why changing something that works"?

[outer tusk]

Sauropod size

[gleaming talon]

Didnt Spino have like more smooth teeth

Or like had striations not serrations at most

[runic rover]

Spino had conical teeth made for piercing and holding tight struggling prey, mostly the huge mawsonias and pterosaurs and PROBABLY the occasional dinosaur of the era, it has a very faint serration too, but the function is piercing & gripping.

[gleaming talon]

Cool

[jovial girder]

New spinosaurus species, mirabilis. Unicorn 🦄 spoon

[floral ivy]

Btw the partial tibia is 71 cm with fibula being 74 cm, known parts only.

[runic rover]

"it depends".

Is this question about Alamosaurus or is this question about if rex could be able, in a setting like PoT, to hunt sauropods like Saltasaurus that were much more on that size? Is the question about a full adult or a paralyzed/downed/barely adolescent one?

I do agree that absence of adaptation should not mean they are unable to hunt (look at Baryonyx with iguanodontid bones in the stomach for example), but sauropods... They are on another kind of level (expecially Alamo!), what can really a Rex bring to it? How would it perform that? And expecially... Why?! They have so many more traits and benefits in hunting their own preys they evolved to take down.

[ancient crystal]

No, I'm talking about alamosaurus.

Taking down a sauropod is well within the realm of possibility for Tyrannosaurus. I find we try and fit these animals into neat little boxes where doing one thing disallows another far too often.

There is nothing a carcharodontosaur can do to a sauropod that rex can't also do albeit somewhat worse.

I'm not saying it happened often, and maybe it didn't happen at all given the relative rarity these two animals would encounter each other.

A larger sauropod is always going to be an immense effort to take down for a predator, but this whole "Carcharodontosaurs were bleeders who tore flesh, and Tyrannosaurus was adapted for breaking bones," almost feels like videogame logic where these two groups have no overlap.

[dense wing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mikgYLy-qZIit the unicorn spoon looks awesome

[scenic flame]

It's accurate for Thal and Hatze, though on rhamph it actually isn't as very basal pterosaurs didn't have the back facing fingers, it's a feature that only appeared in pteranodontids onwards iirc.

[jovial girder]

W mate!

[ionic linden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/605788102975291414/1475675144864403597/spinosaurus.gif

[coral forge]

the humble dry island bonebed

also arent there trackways showing multiple rexes walking together or am I tripping

[ancient crystal]

No, there's trackways showing multiple north american tyrannosaurs walking together that second party science articles will say belong to rex because to them Tyrannosaurus = Tyrannosaur

[plush fossil]

How are we able to tell which species a trackway belongs to?

[tough parcel]

Vibes

[undone rapids]

The shape of the tracks and usually what formation they are from

[plush fossil]

I can't imagine that would be super reliable though right?

[undone rapids]

Depends, like if there are some extremely large theropod tracks from hell creek, its easy to tell what it probably was. But if its smaller/medium sized ones maybe its a Nanotyrannus or maybe a rex

[tough parcel]

As I said, it's based on vibes which is why most/all trackways are given a new name instead of being attributed to a known animal

Except Hell Creek because the assumption is big theropod = rex

[plush fossil]

Oooh I see

[undone rapids]

Here's some tracks of 5 theropods walking parallel in Candeleros formation, it was probably 5 abelisaurs of around ~5 meters in length

[ancient crystal]

NO! Obviously any large theropod tracks from hell creek would be from a hypothetical supermegapredator that only hunted the slow and stupid Tyrannosaurus

[tough parcel]

Why could it not have been juvenile Gigasaurs...

[undone rapids]

Because the gigasaurs are stupid!! (Morphology)

[tough parcel]

Shout out to this one group of kids who insisted Rex could NEVER hunt Anky and said other predators could do it

When pressed what other predators could do it, they said "Don't you know there are other predators larger than T.rex (expletive)"

[undone rapids]

The time travelling mapusaurus was an ever present threat to the ankylosaurus

[ancient crystal]

See this is why I have the opinions I do regarding rex and how its percieved by the public that I do.

Genuinely I see far and away more people that want to diminish rex in some way than I do people who can be described as rex glazers or fanboys.

For every one "Tyrannosaurus would DESTROY Giganotosaurus in a fight!" there's ten "Tyrannosaurus couldn't ever hunt [Insert common Hell Creek prey species] and if you think it did, you're a stupid fanboy!"

[bright veldt]

Literally every predator has serrated teeth, and I highly doubt tarbo’s is significantly more so unless somebody can provide evidence. It’s giving serious paleomeme vibes like the thinner skull thing.

[undone rapids]

Maybe they were a pack, maybe they were moving in pairs at different times or maybe all were alone at different times. The first one is more interesting so it was True

[coral forge]

Ichnotaxa are peak
Brontopodus is definitely real and one genus and was totally the longest living and most widespread dinosaur even including birds

[stiff osprey]

the humble eubrontes

[ancient crystal]

What if these are all from the same animal that just really liked walking in mud 🤔

[undone rapids]

Yeah it was going it circles and the other tracks just got washed away

[coral forge]

Brontopodus is better
1 species, 6 continents, Hettangian to Santonian

[stiff osprey]

Eubrontes is Norian/Rhaetian to Albian lol
only 5 continents though

[coral forge]

some day there will be Maastrichtian Antarctica Brontopodus making it live from the earliest jurassic to the latest cretaceous on all 7 continents

[ancient crystal]

Earliest Jurassic to Early Pleistocene

[coral forge]

holocene elephant footprint gets mistaken for a sauropod and assigned to brontopodus

[ancient crystal]

Arc has been typing for over an hour now and I’m scared

[runic rover]

I was at work so I constantly had to get off and on :/ I wasn't writing that much... Just kepth being delayed

[ancient crystal]

Ah, ok, Delaware had its first state-wide blizzard in 30 years so I’m not at work and kinda forgot other people might not be so lucky

[runic rover]

Oh whatever I missed my timing and point :/

[little mauve]

necroposting but whatever, it's paleo. Tarbosaurus has teeth similar to other non-rex tyrannosaurs, Tyrannosaurus is the only genus with the true railroad spike teeth, so it wasn't sauropod-adapted in any appreciable way compared to other tyrannosaurs. We know from isotopes that it was equally hunting mid-browsing and high-browsing herbivores (shorthanded in the paper to hadrosaurs and sauropods, but could cover much more in life.) We have multiple specimens of herbivores damaged by Tarbosaurus attacks or feeding, including Saurolophus, Opisthocoelicaudia, Deinocheirus, & Tarchia showing a wide range of prey. Ecologically, Saurolophus was by far the most common large herbivore in the environment and logically the most common prey. Tarbosaurus hunted sauropods for sure, but there's no reason to say it was specialized for it

[gloomy cargo]

I hate how emotionally charged paleontology and its discussions are.

There is no point to such reactions and it makes no sense.

[runic heart]

Real?

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[runic heart]

Oh did we? To which plesiosaurs does this extend??

[balmy oyster]

I wonder what this animal would think of people arguing whether it could defeat another dinosaur in battle or how giant it cod get

[pallid heath]

Sarcosuchus is buns

[ionic linden]

buns is sarcosuchus

[pallid heath]

It wasn’t even that big compared to other giant crocodylomorphs.
Purussaurus kickass

[balmy oyster]

Fyi Puru is only this big because it has the same exact issue as Deinosuchus and Sarcosuchus

[plush fossil]

Just seen them react to this in real time LOL

[pallid heath]

hear me out

[wind prairie]

like it's not my favorite personally but it's very very easy to see why someone would love it

true

[pallid heath]

Round fat necks would help them have a lower metabolism via storing fat but would also improve their hydrodynamic movement

[ancient crystal]

How dare someone enjoy a popular genus and not Glupshittosaurus uniqueus

[balmy oyster]

Why

[bitter oasis]

@mortal fossil Please do not provoke other users, this also means reacting to messages just to provoke others. Thank you

[wind prairie]

you're mixing up "spino fans" with spino fans, my friend.
We like spinosaurus because it's a genuinely unique and cool animal, as opposed to a t rex killer

also sure 200 years of megalosaurus is fun for the science itself but megalosaurus itself isn't the most interesting animal to most people

[ancient crystal]

Are you asking why that would improve hydrodynamics?

[balmy oyster]

No why is he doing this

[pallid heath]

When food becomes scarce they have fat reserves and the hydrodynamics would allow them to move more smoothly and faster to catch prey

[ancient crystal]

Doing what? I feel like I missed something now

[queen oar]

@ancient crystal What do you imagine Wood soup would taste like?

[balmy oyster]

Yeah but why like a beluga whale? Their heads would have been the LEAST fatty from its entire body.

[pallid heath]

No not the heads the heads stay the same the necks just become a bit rounder rather than super thin

[ancient crystal]

Cellulose with a hint of sap and splinters

[queen oar]

hmmmm... Wood Soup

[ancient crystal]

Hey, humans physically can't digest cellulose but I bet it would still be more nutritious than shark fin soup

[pallid heath]

Oh you mean the way I drew the head. Thats just how I draw plesiosaur and sauropod heads :3

[arctic crane]

I'm curious about those Nigerian abelisaurid teeth they found. What abelisaurids were in that area that we know about?

[mortal fossil]

Megalosaurus isn’t any less interesting than all the arbitrarily forced dinosaurs that people talk about all the time

It’s at least as relevant as Allosaurus and yet it gets completely sidelined for no reason

Also that’s entirely subjective

[queen oar]

it's cute

[pallid heath]

Also blubber makes sense for plesiosaurs because they live in the water and the water is VERY cold people. wetsuits aren’t just to keep you dry but to keep you Warm

[wind prairie]

none of them are arbitrarily forced into popularity besides nanuqsaurus most of them are unique or just cool, or influential to the science itself
megalosaurs are kinda just generic theropods unless you want to crest speculate, which has made them more fun for me-

[queen oar]

Tbf, I think it was expected that Plesiosaurs would share the same trends as marine vertebrates today

[pallid heath]

It would be cool if they could galumph like seals on land that would make them cuter

[wind prairie]

like allosaurus has numerous good specimens and cool head crests, and is the only member of its group, also lived with stegosaurus, why doesn't it deserve popularity?

[mortal fossil]

“Generic theropod”

By that logic spinosaurus is just a baryonyx with a sail

It’s only viewed as generic in the first place because there is zero exposure about this animal

[queen oar]

Now we just need evidence of lips ( In Plesiosaurs )

[quasi token]

given how much plesiosaur teeth like to splay out i'm not sure about lips tbh

[queen oar]

I'm gonna put all of my money on Plesiosaur's Lips!!!!!!

[wind prairie]

I'm not saying that to downplay megalosaurus just that people like really wow factor or big features on their favorites that jump out at you. You know.
And spinosaurus doesn't just look like baryonyx besides the sail, that's what the whole last decade of research has told us lol

[arctic crane]

Leatherback sea turtles have blubber they are the only turtle that does o think. But pleaiosaur might have been warm blooded so blubber would be useful

[ancient crystal]

Yeah but the old mindset of "muh archaic mesozoic reptile" keeps people from accepting what are generally seen as modern adaptations

[quasi token]

there are studies showing endothermy in plesiosaurs so that would apply yeah

[queen oar]

idk, but it is a factor.

[plush fossil]

Megalosaurus does kinda have to be somewhat interesting given it is the first dinosaur discovered (I believe? Don't jump me if I'm wrong)

[ancient crystal]

That would kill them I imagine

[quasi token]

^plesiosaur anatomy is very weird

[wind prairie]

unless you truly do see every theropod as just barely variations of each other like a child, tell me another dinosaur that has the exact charm of this one?

[queen oar]

Oh yeah, we can't talk about this guy anymore.

Like, being serious, let's just not talk about mirabilis, until the authors address the elephant in their room.

[wind prairie]

wait what
you're telling me we can't talk about mirabilis just because of who funded it???? 💀

[mortal fossil]

It’s not that Allosaurus doesn’t

The prompt was how sPinO glazers keep coddling this animal and the amount of erasure it does to other taxa

The 200th anniversary of Megalosaurus was hijacked by mouthbreathers saying yEaR oF tHe sPiNoSaUrUs

The new sPinO 2 electric boogaloo is already sparking so many Giga and Rex hating comments and then they whine

“Spinosaurus is overhated!!!” When people try to mind their business and it’s always sPinO fans starting hate and demeaning comments

Spino is not hated enough for how people act about this animal and how much it erasures other taxa / people demean other taxa

And that is not even getting started on the fact how the popularisation of this dinosaur in the 2000s is problematic in and of itself

[arctic crane]

Megalosaurus and its family are very interesting, but the reason spino is currently getting attention is because spino currently got a new paper and species. Unless megalo or one of its relatives just got a new discovery in not aware off

[queen oar]

yup.

[ancient crystal]

It would be interesting to explore alternate heat sources in plesiosaurs.

Like the thermogenic twitch muscles behind the eyes of billfish.

But that would run the risk of turning away from science and into absurd speculation really quickly.

[paper parcel]

Spino is overrated anyways, its just a four legged goose gator

[quasi token]

if only we had a time machine

[arctic crane]

A billfish like regional heating would be interesting. Around the flipper muscles maybe?

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-fall-asleep-bad-lip-reading-star-wars-blr-star-wars-yoda-gif-17127489

[queen oar]

Hey Venator, I was thinking on making a grilled cheese, but add chocolate in the middle of the recipe, what do you think?

[arctic crane]

Why did that animal evolve in a way I don't like

[paper parcel]

I just think carcharodontids are more interesting. Nothing better then being a professional sauropod hunter

[mortal fossil]

There was a few new stuff about Megalo and Torvo people barely talk about

Especially the French specimens that are 4-4.5 tons

There is also a fragmentary second one that seems to be somewhere 4.5-6 tons and might be related to Torvo but might be a different taxa or even a different species to Megalosaurus

[light osprey]

You can

[ancient crystal]

It was my immediate first thought when the blubber paper discussed the limitations of the head being so far from the body.

But unfortunately I'm pretty sure that specific form of thermogenic musculature is only found in marine teleosts which are just about the worst animals to ever use as proxies for other animals.

[wind prairie]

omfg bro can you calm down about the "spino glazers" Not everyone who likes a thing is exactly the same as each other 🥀 you're completely in the right to be annoyed by kids who preach spinosaurus as a giant t rex killer or whatever, but not everyone likes it for the same reason

"year of the spinosaurus" I barely heard that phrase uttered a few times- besides, people like spinosaurus, what do you expect?
I haven't seen any discussion of mirabilis even related to giga and rex and fight comments, just how cool it looks and of course more of the "could it swim" stuff
There is no reason to hate any animal just because you don't like how a few of the fans you're narrowing down act

[paper parcel]

giga could beat rex in a fight, this is because giganotosaurus hunts in packs and trex does not. and mapusaurus also hunts in packs

[arctic crane]

Yes that's all cool stuff but nothing confirmed. If they find a new megalo species I'll be just as hype. Until then I like all dinosaurs all the time. I'm just as excited about new spino as I am about the little quilled ornithopod they found

[queen oar]

Grilled Chocolate Cheese Sandwich

[ancient crystal]

I saw maybe one person asking if the new species, having longer legs, would be able to defeat a T. rex in a fight

[quasi token]

[wind prairie]

I like spinosaurus because it looks cool and has a unique lifestyle do I really need any other reason 🥀

[ancient crystal]

You tow the line between ragebait, joking, and serious takes very well and it upsets me immensely

[queen oar]

which lifestyle?

[paper parcel]

Basically giga just ganks and megapacks

[quasi token]

weird crocodile-heron thing

[wind prairie]

then they just didn't bother to learn anything about it or they don't actually care about it as an animal. The people Vanessa is complaining about are the ones who just view dinosaurs as toys to smash together

[queen oar]

Do you guys like Megalosaurus Megalosaurus sounds pretty cool. Wow guys, Megalosaurus, wow

[arctic crane]

I think some sharks also have it and so do sunfish. But only fish all marine mammals and birds are just warm blooded. And I don't think any marine reptiles can do that but I'm not sure

[ancient crystal]

The spinosaurus lifestyle because trying to liken the lifestyle of a bird that weighs like 100 times less to... that is disingenuous at best

[paper parcel]

Average Charcharodontid hunting sauropod

[queen oar]

The Killers

[mortal fossil]

It’s also the fact it’s a self-feeding loop of spinosaurus being the most overrated and overglazed animal in all of history

It gets forcefully put in the spotlight all the time because it is popular for all the wrong reasons

Then it gets more glazers engage with it

Then that gets more people to glaze it

The amount of scientific interest and resources it gets is criminal at this point while we get no funding, expeditions or research for more interesting and more important taxa

It’s already one of the most researched and most understood theropod and yet we keep throwing money at it while

We have what 2 Carcha specimens and they are 10% complete TOGETHER

But noone is actively digging for or researching Carcharodontosaurus but Spino gets a new paper every third Friday based on just basically people arguing if it can swim or not or like 2 new handful of bone dust

[queen oar]

so [REDACTED] lifestyle?

[quasi token]

yeah basically

[wind prairie]

ok so you're just a broken record, there's no point in arguing then lol

[ancient crystal]

I've not heard of sharks having it, I know they have their own ways of producing/retaining heat, but maybe redundant twitch muscles (can't think what else to call them) are amongst them.

Sunfish wouldn't surprise me as they're more or less just about as derived as possible

[mortal fossil]

Not my fault you are incapable of understanding the point

“Broken record” when I explained how Spino is a scientific money sink that could be spent on better things but sure

[arctic crane]

Do you believe there is a conspiracy to keep carcharodontosaurus down lol?

They found a new spino and nothing diagnostic related to carch. They found some carch teeth that's cool but nothing else yet

[stiff osprey]

I'm sure mindlessly ranting and reacting with poop emojis whenever someone mentions Spinosaurus will convince more people to research other animals instead of Spinosaurus

[paper parcel]

But seriously, charcharodontids in general are underrated, literally specialized to kill walking fortresses, or feed off of them

[ancient crystal]

Also, how are you not fighting with this person but whenever I utter a word about Tyrannosaurus not warranting the hate it gets you're here to tell me I'm wrong faster than SCP 096 finding someone that saw its face

(I'm joking btw)

[arctic crane]

Mako sharks convergently evolved to catch tuna that also have warm muscles in their tails
https://www.oceans-research.com/are-sharks-warm-blooded/

[queen oar]

LMFAO

[wind prairie]

I don't understand the point because the point is dumb :P

[ancient crystal]

Just gonna... pocket this for later

[paper parcel]

Giganotosaurus also had a big brain for a megatheropod

[ancient crystal]

Well go on now, fight, kill! I'm waiting

[queen oar]

I mean, being serious, look at how long the discussion have gone to, do you think if I said anything it would change anything?

[mortal fossil]

Not a conspiracy; it’s just there are zero active Carcharodontosaurus research or dig site / on-site research being done and considering science is very capitalist slop since the 2010s with “publish and perish” and “impact factor” as well as the industrialisation of science papers

There is a correlation about funding research based on what “sells” and what is “less important”

I do not think it is aimed At Carcharodontosaurus itself

It’s just one of such victims that suffer from Spino being overrepresented and overrated

[paper parcel]

We all know giganotosaurus is peak, or carcharodontids in general, way more peak then tyrannosaurs

[mortal fossil]

Again not my problem you lack the cognitive comprehension to proceed with it

[ancient crystal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/viralhog-viral-hog-fish-feeding-frenzy-erupts-with-every-drop-YHrhzHuZfFlxinMP9B

[mortal fossil]

Beautiful
A mother bird feeding its chicklets

[stiff osprey]

Giganotosaurus would be peak if its nearly complete skeleton was actually described 💔

[ancient crystal]

A complete description in a field where such a thing is probably most vital?

Inconceivable!

[arctic crane]

Look friend I'm sorry you hate spinosaurus and all that it's not even my favorite dino either. But a new species that hangs around deeper inland is an interesting finding to the ecology of Cretaceous North Africa. That's all. I hope we do find out more about carchs and abelisaurids and onithopods and all the non dinos there too. We're in a little golden age of paleontology and we're finding amazing stuff all the time.

[undone rapids]

They did find a new carch there and it seems like it'll be described sometime in the future

[mortal fossil]

Yeah I have no issue with that
It’s really just the overexposure and the attitude of some people

[ancient crystal]

No, into the dungeon it shall go

[undone rapids]

The Digging Noasaur welcomes new taxa there

Its gonna try to dig out of the dungeon, we'll have to see if it works or not

[arctic crane]

You should have seen this chat with nano. Every time a new big theropod gets confirmed it gets it fanfair

[stiff osprey]

literally the most complete carcharodontosaurus specimen yet, wouldn't have been found if not for the Spinosaurus mirabilis expedition

[ancient crystal]

Listen, if Sereno doesn't do anything with the Tyrannosaurus mummy he teased recently, I'm switching career paths and doing my masters at University of Chicago

[paper parcel]

Smallest prey for giganotosaurus, vs largest prey for trex

[thorn grove]

I think he's just lying tbh

[mortal fossil]

Sereno 🤝 Ibrahim

Teasing something then disappearing for a decade and proceed to not elaborate

[thorn grove]

Andesaurus was not Giga's smallest prey

[ancient crystal]

Fanfair or moral grandstanding about "I was right and you all were wrong and stupid to tell me it was invalid!1!!"

[arctic crane]

Typical theopod fan. Forgetting about a hadrosaur

[undone rapids]

There's smaller and larger prey for both of them

[stiff osprey]

It's real, but it's not like those hadrosaur mummies that preserve 70% of the real skin. It's probably like a small patch of scales

[paper parcel]

sauropods are larger then edmontosaurus though, people overestimate edmontosaurus

[undone rapids]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DKQ1uW-LVHc?si=L73jl8ovckbGW-hh

[arctic crane]

I saw both lol. I was giving it fanfare and others said I told you so

[mortal fossil]

Do we have an idea when that is getting published?

[quasi token]

2050

[ancient crystal]

Again, its genuienly absurd to believe the bone exploder, exploder of bones couldn't also take down a sauropod even if it wasn't explicitly adapted for it

[stiff osprey]

Judging by mirabilis being uncovered in 2022 and published in 2026, i'd guess by 2030, but you can't make those estimates in paleo

[undone rapids]

In the natgeo article he just mentions after spino there'll be alot on Carcha, digging Noasaur, the armourless croc and alot of sauropods

[paper parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaurs-giants-of-patagonia-argentinosaurus-mapusaurus-patagonia-cretaceous-gif-2144040654563280616 average trex vs sauropod interaction

[stiff osprey]

maybe they will forget about it inside the lab for 30 years

[ancient crystal]

I'll take things that never happened for 500

[thorn grove]

there are plenty of sauropods smaller than edmontosaurus even ignoring the mega specimens

[mortal fossil]

Oh man the funniest thing was that recent study where a T-Rex just basically bit off the frontal part of an Edmontosaurus face

All the hadrosaur glazers going “A Rex wouldn’t attack an Edmontosaurus head on”

Then we get a fossil evidence of a frontal attack

It was peak comedy

[stiff osprey]

well you see the edmontosaurus only lost because it wasn't in musth at the time

[paper parcel]

Trex is just a morbidly obese theropod who doesn't have to deal with sauropods.

[ancient crystal]

Not my professor finding a 10 year old angel shark in the back of one of the freezers and deciding to dissect it on a whim in front of an audience

[mortal fossil]

Somehow, Nanotyrannus has returned

[wind prairie]

back
again, basically everything you're complaining about is the fans and people who like spino lol. You haven't given me a single reason why it deserves to be hated. No one species deserves to be hated, idc if one killed your loved ones

[tulip dove]

T rex would NEVER hunt a bull Edmontosaurus in musth (The edmontosaurus in question is an average individual, rex would get hunted down by the 13 ton bull in musth...)

[wicked shell]

@mortal fossil why did you react like that to my message?

[small geyser]

A bit old news now but anything related to new dino discoveries is always good news.

[paper parcel]

Least overweight trex tbh. Edmontosaurus and trikes been overfeeding them.

[wicked shell]

Ooooh I know that one fossil evidence

[mortal fossil]

Average American theropod

[wind prairie]

hadrosaur glazers are genuinely worse than spino glazers

[arctic crane]

The Paleo fan community has a huge problem with over simplifying everything. A large herbivore like edmonto is a dangerous thing to hunt but that doesn't mean impossible.

Herbivores don't wanna die so they fight and/or run away and carnivores do wanna die so they prioritize easier prey but there isn't always an option

[queen oar]

@thorn grove kill

[ancient crystal]

I think this all speaks to a general trend in paleo for counter culture to be a decade or so behind the current times, and so people end up brigading against something that's no longer a thing

Bubblewrapping against shrinkwrapping

Rex haters against rex glazers

Herbivore glazers against fodder herbivores

Etc.

[thorn grove]

Edmontosaurus wasn't large relative to T. rex though

[paper parcel]

Giganotosaurus is the peak of dinosaur hunting.

[wicked shell]

I am telling y'all

The powerscallers,annoying paleo nerds are jurassic park FANS in disguise

[wind prairie]

oh no not that kind of glazer
you know the ones

[ionic linden]

i am somehow NONE of those

[thorn grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542776901442338816/1463612710796394673/IMG_7664.gif

[wind prairie]

I was gonna post that gif but slowmode lasted too long lmao

[wicked shell]

Everytime spino uptades come out and jurassic park 3 spino glazers criticize it I cringe

[paper parcel]

Trex is just annoying to hear about constantly: WOAH LOOK AT THIS NEW THEROPOD FOUND OR HERBIVORE, ITS ALMOST BIGGER/SLIGHTLY SMALLER THEN TYRANNOSOYUS REX

[arctic crane]

Wrestling an animal your own size is pretty dangerous still. Especially one that ran around in herds. Carnivores fail or abandon hunts all the time because of this but that doesn't mean they won't try and succeed sometimes

[mortal fossil]

You know I just realised Acrocanthosaurus, Utahraptor and Tyrannosaurus; the quintessential American theropods are the proportionately fattest of their lineage

And if that isn’t hilarious I don’t know what is

[undone rapids]

Giga is cool because it lived with Ekrixinatosaurus

[thorn grove]

Edmonto wasn't the same size as rex either

[stiff osprey]

yknow i used to think edmontosaurus glazers were a rare and overblown phenomenon and then a popular youtube channel like 2 days ago made a video saying t.rex actually had a weak bite and would get m*lested by edmontosaurus if it ever tried to hunt it

[paper parcel]

Its bald.

[ancient crystal]

I think the problem here is not that people aren't recognizing edmontosaurus might be dangerous or risky, its people acting like recognizing that the (relative to literally every other large herbivore in the formation) defenseless prey animal would sooner run than fight its attacker head on is the same as calling it a free meal loser animal

[little mauve]

that was odd. it corresponds with this new dogma that megatheropods were limited to hunting the babies of their contemporary large herbivores, which makes no sense.

[mortal fossil]

carnivores do wanna die

Ah yes
My favourite emo band

My chemical theropods

[wind prairie]

paleo fans only see black and white

[queen oar]

tbh it lacks anything that it could use as a significant defensive mechanism, no?

[thorn grove]

it's so frustrating because there's so much overwhelming evidence only pointing in one direction on this topic and still people just go for Edmusthosaurus because it's compelling I guess

[paper parcel]

Someone should make a video of a trex getting jumped by a mapusaurus/giganotosaurus pack.

[ancient crystal]

Do you not think rex enjoyers also hate that?

[thorn grove]

Edmontosaurus is cool because the antelope of Hell Creek was as big as a modern elephant

that don't make it not an antelope

[tough parcel]

The Edmontosaurus is evil because I was hung up by my entrails and killed for the video...

[tulip dove]

What if the reason Edmontosaurus lived together was because they hunted in packs and specifically targeted adult rexes and the casualties were due to the Rex defending itself (It got mauled afterwards)

[mortal fossil]

New Edmontosaurus just dropped

Edmontosaurus jackhorneri

The Rex m*lester

[ancient crystal]

NO with its IMMENSE size and edmontian cunning it could slap tyrannosaurus silly in fights

[wind prairie]

like edmontosaurus is so cool why do we need to pretend it's physically the strongest just as an excuse to like it 😭

[stiff osprey]

I, too, evolve to weigh ten tons and have the bite force of jesus christ only to eat a baby hadrosaur that I could have caught and killed equally easily as a medium sized predator.

[arctic crane]

True, but sometimes herbivores do turn and fight sometimes. I didn't think your average ed was throwing hands with hands with full grown rexes every day though lol. Running is always safer though

[thorn grove]

baby hadrosaurs aren't easy prey either they already have proto-musth

[queen oar]

but it's small

[wind prairie]

tbf idk about antelope, that goes to ornithomimids
Edmontosaurus may be more like a zebra (if you HAD to make analogies)

[paper parcel]

we all know what the true best herbivore is.

[mortal fossil]

Nanotyrannus is a juvenile rex ❌
Rex is a juvenile Nanotyrannus ✅

Clearly the preferred diet is babies hence Nanotyrannus is the final form

[tulip dove]

Evolving a bone crushing bite to crack through a snickers bar

[undone rapids]

Not even equally, it'd be easier to catch small lunch boxes as a mid sized guy than a big guy who has to walk fast and crouch down for those

[stiff osprey]

True

[thorn grove]

I'm saying cuz it's a similar size ratio as lions and like lesser kudu for example

Zebra are larger than lions

[ancient crystal]

@queen oar I am rex enjoyers, I hate turning rex into a measuring stick

[wind prairie]

you are what you eat...

[ionic linden]

-# what did i just read?

[little mauve]

medium sized and smaller theropods even make better scavengers than the larger ones

[queen oar]

tell him to get smaller, I guess 🤷‍♂️

[tough parcel]

Actually if you pay attention to the video, you will see that the bite of T. rex is proportionately weak to its body size...

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/baikal-seal-toba-aquarium-niko-nico-seal-nerpa-gif-27122734

[wind prairie]

true

[stiff osprey]

Unironically a symptom of capitalism

News outlines want to reach the most people possible for money. Most people only know T.rex. Therefore every new dinosaur discovery has to mention T.rex

[thorn grove]

Especially now that I know there's some doubt about even the identity of the mega Edmonto specimens I've kind of given up on even entertaining the idea of mega Edmontosaurus

if you portray Edmontosaurus as anything but smaller than T. rex you're doing a disservice to the animal

[paper parcel]

rex does measure alot of his large hadrosaur leg buckets

[queen oar]

Hey Venator, what do you think Acorn Jam would taste like? It was a sudden curiosity I developed one of these days

[ancient crystal]

I think that's an actual thing people make

[queen oar]

It is? I only heard of Pinecone Jam, never about Acorn Jam

[mortal fossil]

Wait what is the Big Chungus Edmonto now if not Edmonto?

I reckon there were 3 of those too

X-Rex, “Anatotitan” and a third specimen

[wind prairie]

man it'll be funny when the glazers instead see the new saurolophin and go:

[little mauve]

it's repetitive for sure and that's annoying but using T. rex as a measuring stick isn't bad sci-comm imo, you should compare more obscure animals with more well known ones both from a scientific and public knowledge standpoint

[balmy oyster]

I’m just so tired of edmontosaurus glazers because any conversation you have with them always points to them knowing nothing whatsoever about the animal they’re worshipping and only doing so because tiktok showed them meat eating hadrosaurs

I have only ever seen one edmontosaurus enjoyer who genuinely likes the animal for what it is and its cool features NOBODY cares enough to discuss.

[ancient crystal]

Guys, clearly Nanotyrannus and Tyrannosaurus are actually the same thing.

The difference in size, tooth count, and both being adults is all explained by cannibalistic polyphenism. Where the larger tyrannosaurus represents a specific cannibal morph of the animal induced by an incapability of being able to take down the feasome hell creek herbivores

Like those fish in low diversity lakes without other prey

[queen oar]

@thorn grove what if renamed the " Becky's Giant " to " Big Bertha " ?

[little mauve]

nanotyrannus is the male, T. rex is the female. megatheropods were hunting babies and their size is due to runaway sexual dimorphism. Death by snoo snoo

[wind prairie]

make that 2
lets bump up that number fellas

[paper parcel]

Wish I was nanotyrannus

[ancient crystal]

All theropods exhibited extreme size dimorphism, obviously, because only some modern raptorial theropods exhibit moderate size dimorphism

[wind prairie]

it really is funny how we've already come around to making jokes about nanotyrannus and tyrannosaurus being the same thing

[balmy oyster]

Make it 3
It deserves better scientific recognition I’m sick of nobody describing any of its specimens that isn’t a ultra rare super complex mummy)

[mortal fossil]

“Americans will measure with anything but the metric system”

[queen oar]

@ancient crystal what if we cooked a Oreo Lasagna?

[arctic crane]

I miss when we were talking about plesiosaurus blubber

[balmy oyster]

I don’t

[paper parcel]

"Trex gets destroyed by new ice age herbivore"

[thorn grove]

Isn't one of the rex specimens already named that

regardless I for some reason always call it "Betsy's Giant" by accident because I'm thinking of a giant cow named Betsy

[mortal fossil]

Plesio Chungusmaxxing

[little mauve]

true

[wind prairie]

LMAOOO

[balmy oyster]

I once searched up “becky’s giant” but forgot to put “edmontosaurus” and i found…interesting results.

[little mauve]

send them to geb

[ancient crystal]

I think the last hour of this chat is an incredible example of people who otherwise can't stand each other uniting under a common enemy

[arctic crane]

Is that what some edmontos had broken tail bones?

[paper parcel]

Trex is the common enemy fr

[mortal fossil]

Congratulations or sorry for your loss

Pick the appropriate one whether you are into it or not

[jagged trellis]

bro found something else giant
was it mummified is the real question

[thorn grove]

Edmontosaurus is cool as hel and has an interesting evolutionary trajectory relative to Asian Edmontosaurins but people don't actually care about ecology I guess

[mortal fossil]

Edmontosaurus and Hadrocucks?

[paper parcel]

Trex bro. its time we rage against the trex matrix and end its tyranny.

[mortal fossil]

But I like T-Rex

[wind prairie]

AAAAAGGHhh

[queen oar]

Tarbosaurus better.

[little mauve]

Edmontosaurus is super interesting, Hell Creek is interesting. It wasn't the most common large herbivore there which is somewhat unsual for a hadrosaur but it did have pretty massive herds and probably colonial nesting like other hadrosaurs, it was ecologically very significant.

[mortal fossil]

Facts tho

[wind prairie]

it's just... so peak

[paper parcel]

We should rename trex to pseudoanteosaurus since it pretty much is

[arctic crane]

Qianzhousaurus is best tyrannosaurid

[queen oar]

@ancient crystal kill

[mortal fossil]

The pitbull named Princess

[paper parcel]

anteosaurus also came first since its from the permian, its also closer to you then trex.

[mortal fossil]

Ah yes
Adult Alioramus

[arctic crane]

My beautiful boy

[thorn grove]

I'm always left kind of wordless whenever chat starts discussing whether T. rex is overrated or overhated because I am seemingly a rare example of someone who genuinely doesn't care that much about T. rex either way

[ancient crystal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/arrowvideo-arrow-video-judy-matheson-tfFuThNzfJ601bcKYo

[jagged trellis]

mayhaps paleo chat needs a slight taste cleansing, does anyone have a fauna chart for permian southern urals formations?

[mortal fossil]

I hate this thing
It has the worst name ever

I want it to be lumped with Alio so bad

[paper parcel]

Prehistoricfauna is a minecraft mod about the mesozoic, idk

[wind prairie]

permian is somehow underrated despite being one of the most shown paleozoic periods

[thorn grove]

well the paleozoic as a whole is underrated

[mortal fossil]

Well pretty sure Rex is closer to me
I have one on my bookshelf

[wind prairie]

yes

[arctic crane]

I believe the skull shapes are too different for that

[stiff osprey]

there is no such thing as an overrated animal, T.rex is loved because it is incredibly awesome.

Other animals are simply underrated

[paper parcel]

we need a path of titans dlc for paleozoic creatures

[queen oar]

@thorn grove Do you want a stupid hypothetical?

[thorn grove]

sure

[mortal fossil]

I mean it doesn’t help most of the Permian rep was old movies where you had like a Dimetrodon fight an iguana stego

Also
Obligatory

Inonstrancevia and Ophiacodon my beloved

[bright veldt]

I think it's mostly because the Permian is by far the most "conventionally" charismatic time period of that era. It is the first period in Earth's history with proper land megafauna, with such insane variety, and climaxed with the greatest extinction the world has ever seen. Yet it's rep is equivalent to Triassic stuff.

[queen oar]

Do you think a old experienced individual of Giganotosaurus could kill an healthy Sub-Adult Shantungosaurus individual?

[thorn grove]

quite easily yes

[wind prairie]

pretty much. Even in just the carboniferous traditionally large land tetrapods kinda only barely exist

[ancient crystal]

I like T. rex for if nothing else but for the amount of silly ways people describe its bite force

"Bone exploder, the exploder of bones"

"The living trash compactor"

"The equivalent of being hit by a train"

"Biteforce of Jesus Christ"

[paper parcel]

average old paleo movie

[jagged trellis]

ima be 5 real, i am sore rn so maybe i'm not getting the joke but i don't think an mc mod has a russian mountain ranges formations

[mortal fossil]

I don’t know how that is a question
I don’t see a world where an adult Giganotosaurus couldn’t hunt a Shantungosaurus

It’s like

If Giganotosaurus’ regular prey was weaker

[paper parcel]

Its just a highly detailed mod with tons of creatures and paleo accurate plants/fauna.

[wind prairie]

there needs to be more paleozoic documentaries. Walking With Monsters can't remain alone as the good one
there was a recent one about the karoo basin though it's more about the paleo itself

[bright veldt]

Any 8+ ton theropod could, although I'd argue it'd be with difficulty. Anything twice your size trying not to die will take a lot of effort.

[mortal fossil]

You know
That is a passable Shringa reconstruction if you think about it

[arctic crane]

This conversation needs more cenozoic rep

[jagged trellis]

i see, i'll check it out

[paper parcel]

its also getting more large sauropods like diplodocus, currently just has camarasaurus, dongbeititan, and ruixinia

[mortal fossil]

Tbf
Life on our planet Inostrancevia vs Scutosaurus segment was so peak

[bright veldt]

The Lystrosaurus awakening from the great dying, wondering the barren hellscape, only to find its own kind was one of my favorite segments.

[arctic crane]

As the number one phorusrhacid fan I hated life on our planet

[mortal fossil]

You know what fair
I hated that segment too

[paper parcel]

walking with monsters is peak

[wind prairie]

doesn't it get called "the dodo of its age" in the same segment 💔

[mortal fossil]

tHe cUnNiNg sMiLoDoN

Life on our planet 🤝 prehistoric planet

Having gross levels of mammal bias

I do hate when mammals are overstated because cute and fluffy and related to us

[jagged trellis]

the bitey boi himself ey

[arctic crane]

More "age of mammals" propaganda

[paper parcel]

Bats are just mammal pterosaurs, just wait until bats get hollow bones and start developing beaks

[wind prairie]

oh no they're both mammal bias but different flavors
LOOP has the seriously problematic mammalian cunning stuff, prehistoric planet just doesn't like killing baby mammals cause they're (subjectively) cuter

[mortal fossil]

The humble Purussaurus
The humble Megalodon
The humble Barinasuchus

[arctic crane]

Pterosaurs are just vertebrae meganeura

[thorn grove]

for being the biggest land animals ever sauropods are weirdly kind of underrated

[jagged trellis]

loop had peak non dino designs and alr behaviors but actually centuries outdated theories( genuinely propaganda) and eh dino segments

[hushed fossil]

Speaking of the Paleozoic:

Fossil Fighters Edaphosaurus plus it's evolution Geneos

Good or nah?

[coral forge]

the permian is only the most shown because of how it ended. The entire rest of the period is underrated

[paper parcel]

Sauropods are just not relatable tbh, necks too long, faces too strange, and bodies too big, and heads too small.

[wind prairie]

I'm biased because I picked dimetrodon in that game and used Lugmos for so much of it

[thorn grove]

it's often only shown in how it contextualizes the dinosaurs is the thing

[ancient crystal]

Oh, we'll massacre a generation of sauropodlets but god forbid a baby bear gets a sabertooth to the neck

[charred hearth]

isn t it crazy, if atleast just short, dimetrodon and Arthropleura overlapped?

[arctic crane]

Argentavis humbly terrorizing small to medium sized mammals

[jagged trellis]

how do you go from a predator hanging out with potential prey because why risk it vs hur dur always kill
to mammal propaganda
how

[paper parcel]

Good diplodocus depiction or not?

[coral forge]

I feel like the only representation it gets is "look how life managed to recover after almost total annihilation", when it should instead be "look at how unique and complex life was, even tens of millions of years before the first dinosaurs"

[jagged trellis]

for mc yeah, id add a bend for the elbow but otherwise it fits without being too boxy seeing some mods do that

[paper parcel]

Good, its coming to that mod, its kinda heavy though, you might want to make a mod set up just for it. it even has advanced behavior for dinos, and the triassic

[mortal fossil]

Imo the Rex hunting trikes, Allosaurus looking for diplodocus babies and the Sinraptor segment was peak

[jagged trellis]

should do both yeah, show both ends vs everyone hyper fixating on the rebirth, see the roots that helped it prior

[wind prairie]

permian is neat because if you think about it with all the synapsids it's also kind of a funhouse mirror version of the holocene

[arctic crane]

Mammals are responsible for every bad thing in my life.

Jokes aside mammals are cool the problem is life on our planet added more to the myth that mammals were superior to birds and reptiles. I don't actually care if a smilodon kills a terror bird but "mammalian cleverness" is stupid

[jagged trellis]

this message for some reason made my phone crash
but i genuinely do not remember how those segments went

[paper parcel]

Could you survive being eaten by a sauropod?

[mortal fossil]

PP when a reptile child exists: 🔪
PP when a mammal child exists: 😇

[hushed fossil]

Probably not lol

[wind prairie]

better question, would a sauropod survive eating you 🥀

[thorn grove]

assuming it managed to eat you in the first place no

[mortal fossil]

Is this vore? ™

[paper parcel]

Alternate timeline where humans lived in the mesozoic and whales got replaced with sauropods

[small geyser]

Would probably be like a human being eaten by a baleen whale type of thing.

[tough parcel]

Actually it's because PP attempted to portray life as "cheaper" in the Mesozoic compared to the Cenozoic (according to Naish TMK)

[thorn grove]

technically sauropods are still giant fish

[wind prairie]

PP when a procoptodon child exists: ☠️

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/aurorus-pokemon-anime-pokemon-anime-sauropod-gif-9601775786071443156

[mortal fossil]

We are all fish in the end

[wind prairie]

I mean yes that's the literal reason but we all know that alone isn't why

[mortal fossil]

Maybe the real fish were the taxa we evolved along the way

[stiff osprey]

Mammal life is precious and should be protected at all costs. Unless it's a kangaroo, then get that bitchahh

[jagged trellis]

yeah mammals are cool, every animal is, people turn it into a "which is better" ( despite using this logic, mammals are doing "bad")...when its just partitioning and time frame bias, is the issue

[paper parcel]

Evil blood thirsty Lizas vs intelligent and neutral mammals

[jagged trellis]

so a literal pay to win rain cloud for mammoths is the clear answer

[charred hearth]

where do birds fall, protected like mammals or getting slaughtered like reptiles in media

[mortal fossil]

PAY TO WIN
I AM DECEASED

[paper parcel]

Yes

[thorn grove]

birds are a weird thing because they seemingly don't fit into the colloquial 'linear' concept of evolution

[arctic crane]

I don't think prehistoric planet was as bad as life on our planet was at this, it felt like an old doc back when people had a more limited view of darwinian evolution

[mortal fossil]

There were chickens in the Permian???

[jagged trellis]

worst part is i'm right using the show runners logic

[mortal fossil]

Wait wasn’t walking with beasts both Permian and Cenozoic

[stiff osprey]

Paleozoic was monsters

[wind prairie]

can mods really not take the slightest hint it's not like I showed anything..

[arctic crane]

Mammals are awesome, dinosaurs are awesome, fish and lizards are awesome

And arthropods are gods perfect creations

[mortal fossil]

Oh right
I thought it was lumped together oops

[charred hearth]

how would you guys rate the walking with series from best to worst?

walking with dinosaurs
walking with beasts
walking with monsters
walking with humans ( ? )
chased by dinosaurs
chased by seamonsters
prehestoric park

[jagged trellis]

pps was way better yeah
just too
g rated for a doc
if it was watership down g rating then it'd be fine
not arguing for senseless violence, but natural deaths
not a 20 cent revive for a mammoth

[paper parcel]

Ima go back in time and stop the permian extinction so I don't have to deal with dinosaur media tbh.

[arctic crane]

Agreed. Sad we never see any crocodilian in ice age

[wind prairie]

humanity evolves anyway just from suminia instead of primates

[jagged trellis]

ww beasts
ww dinosaurs
ww monsters
p park
chase sea
chase dinos

ww humans

[paper parcel]

This is real?

[wind prairie]

yes, unfortunately

[jagged trellis]

god i wish ww cavemen was good

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-deinotherium-walking-with-beasts-walking-with-dinosaurs-gif-3023295637816768770

[paper parcel]

Starting to wish the permian extinction really never happened now, go back I want to be suminia

[wind prairie]

I think I agree?
WWB and WWD flipflop for me

[mortal fossil]

Ngl it’s the main reason I actively dislike prehistoric planet

It larps as a dinosaur documentary

Then every single death is bloodless and / or censored by a conveniently shaped rock / plant or happens off-screen

It genuinely just feels like a kid cartoon

And I have a massive issue with “dinosaurs are for kids”

I don’t like
Expect them to make it visceral and gorey

But have REAL documentary standards

They show lions with bloody mouths or crocodiles eating a zebra leg in like

Normal rated documentaries

It felt so dumbed down and capitalist sterile

And that on top of

Focusing too much on making dinos “cutesy”

I understand not every scene has to be a hunt or a fight but they went way too UwU with it

Especially the first season

[paper parcel]

ngl what would a world without crocodiles or birds look like?

[wind prairie]

I love prehistoric planet but yeah there's something about it in general not just the format which is the obvious complaint that makes it not my favorite over walking withs

[jagged trellis]

i do disagree on the too cutesy notion
but we absolutely need natural show casing vs: greg was eaten alive, but we'll just show a rock and have him go to florida for the weekend

[paper parcel]

If birds and crocodiles simply ceased to exist or the mesozoic never happened. Bats or something like bats would probably take over. some bats already use the quad method to jump like the vampire bat, and giant salamanders would still exist.

[wind prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237502088691585124/1438647588911054888/Leaellynasaura_Clan_Face_Devastating_Blow__Walking_With_Dino.gif

[charred hearth]

i never watched ww cavemen, why would you say its the worse?

[wind prairie]

loved Walking Withs' unapologetic but not over the top gore

[jagged trellis]

i mean on an objective end wwb is better overall
though if its a personal rating then yeah
id personally put monsters as 1

[mortal fossil]

I just got tired of
Every single episode being like

Becky lemme smash
Blue or yellow

There was way too many mating segments with nose nuzzling and being cutesy
Or raising kids

[ancient crystal]

I think you're missing the point.

Prehistoric Planet's whole gimmick is being a paleodoc that treats the animals as extant species.

The traditional dinosaur documentary is not a nature doc, which Prehistoric Planet is, and most nature docs are not overly gorey or visceral

[paper parcel]

Dumb question but, what would you do if you found this burrowed in your yard.

[jagged trellis]

pros: AMAZING effects, most being hand made
decent hominid showings
cons: "better" animal arguments
very outdated info even for the time
and namely stuff even then mind wise that was wrong, like knowing outside of routine

[wind prairie]

funny answer: I'd stomp on it until it was a small brown stain
real answer: My entire worldview would flip on its head as I pinch myself, try to goad it, and tell scientists

[paper parcel]

and then you find a weird hole in the ground with weird gravity with what seems to be light coming from it.

[jagged trellis]

they aren't this is gru but literally having a baby have a self revive, or trees cover every showey kill
is too much

[wind prairie]

ok this ain't weird birds or primeval

[mortal fossil]

You are missing my point

I understand that
But they overfocused the mating / playing thing and

It’s not the fact it isn’t overly gorey

It’s the fact it’s a Disney+ kids feature having zero bloods or on-screen deaths

There is just something viscerally offputting about censoring NATURE

It just repeatedly hammers it home that
It’s CGI and fake

[ancient crystal]

There was a really good I think netflix doc about Neanderthals I saw recently

[charred hearth]

if you wanna watch dinoslop goresnlop paleoslop docemeuntryslop then you should watch jurassic fight club as its paleogem

[paper parcel]

Wish primeval was real, even I have to deal with more creatures raiding my trashcan

[mortal fossil]

Congratulations you missed the entire point

[charred hearth]

yay, do i get a reward?

[mortal fossil]

You get a 10 hour loop of the Nanotyrannus segment broadcasted straight into your brain

[jagged trellis]

you get an 8 second head start

[ancient crystal]

Oh well that's fair.

I don't think focusing on reproduction or social dynamics is so much a problem because, lets face it, every documentary between WWD and PhP didn't even try and take anything seriously or in a direction other than HUNT, KILL, MURDER, BLOOD EVERYWHERE.

I think PhP's biggest limitation is an expection to subvert expectations. Iirc the second season was all mostly cut content and that certainly had far more fighting in it, so I imagine some executive was like, "can't have that, too much violence, we want to be different."

[wind prairie]

bro I had a strange reply to this and hovered over the send button for like 30 seconds before backing out

[charred hearth]

just asy it

[jagged trellis]

now this interests me
could ya mayhaps dm me it
it'd be funny

[ancient crystal]

I don't think its until Ice Age that it can really be described as disneyfication or made for kids

[shrewd quiver]

prehistoric planet is already targetted toward such a small community, if it had gore they'd take out like half of it's viewership.

also, their whole thing is trying to portray dinosaurs as real, living things and not monsters. animal documentaries usually try to do the opposite by trying to shock the watcher and actively go against childish stereotypes people have about some types of animals

there is literally no good marketting or logical reason for prehistoric planet to have a lot of gore, but still i kinda agree that there should still be at least some death shown

[mortal fossil]

Yeah the second season was mostly serviceable

The velociraptor Spartan kick and the Nemegtotitan falling off a cliff like it’s the lobotomised 2005 King Kong Brontosaurus still gives me visceral rage tho

Like holy Disney+ slop what was THAT

Would it physically hurt them to show a Tarbo grab a sauropod by the neck and force it to the ground

[jagged trellis]

i don't think anyone is arguing for pp to be a smilodon slowly tearing a camel apart from direwolves while the calf watches for an hour
more not having magic rain or the perfect sized boulder to block a view

[charred hearth]

we need more scenes of baby birds getting eaten alive by ants

[wind prairie]

lobotomised 2005 King Kong Brontosaurus 😭

[mortal fossil]

I am not wrong

[wind prairie]

you're not I just found that hilarious for some reason
but yeah I don't think a tarbo bite would do nice things to a sauropod's neck depending on where it bit so that's why it's not shown

[paper parcel]

Hot take, the permian is just the first cenozoic, and the cenozoic is just the next permian

[wind prairie]

I said this earlier

[mortal fossil]

The way it just walks towards a cliff it clearly sees and flops down was actually outrageous

It was a tiny cliff too it could step over because we see the Tarbos do exactly that

No it just

Peter griffin death pose after a 4 inch fall

[tough parcel]

Keep in mind, the rating was also fickle because animated gore was considered "intentional" thus raising the rating of the show

[paper parcel]

True, plus the permian also had tons of super volcanos that went off.... Repeating History moment

[stiff osprey]

The whole point of PPs3 is appealing to the widest possible demographic, that is the reason they removed all the scientific names and basically ensured the audience learned nothing. Yes the gore would've hurt their ratings, but it's just another example of executives wanting money over substance

[shrewd quiver]

nothing will ever replace my goat jonkeria

[mortal fossil]

They could just go with the

I cannot believe I say this
But the Monster Resurrected Acro route

Show it grab the neck and push it towards the ground

Cut the shot

Next is the Group eating it

It’s what they do with crocs

Show the grab and the eating but not the gutting

[paper parcel]

Estemnosuchus reaction

[mortal fossil]

Can I pet that dawg

[arctic jolt]

Opa

[wind prairie]

yes but we should renormalize the gutting

[mortal fossil]

RIP AND TEAR UNTIL IT IS DONE

[shrewd quiver]

Chadlite titanosuchid framemogs fraudmaxxing estmenosuchid with overextended maxila and hyperprotruded upper jaw

[wind prairie]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237502088691585124/1445136666984583208/Most_Dangerous_Birth_In_Prehistoric_Oceans__Walking_with_Din.gif

[mortal fossil]

Too soon
Poor opthalmo

[paper parcel]

Thirty to fifty feral Lystrosaurus eat entire wheat fields and shank man to death with tusks.

[wind prairie]

I think another thing preplanet was missing over WWD was the refusal to use music all the time, and closeup shots

[ancient crystal]

Lots of documentaries nowadays try to be as PG and wholesome as possible, the only real exception I can think of are shark docs which I don't think will ever overcome the "BLOOD, GUTS, LOOK HOW EVIL AND COOL THIS IS" phase.

[mortal fossil]

Why does he look like a horizontal Sasquatch there

Holy reconstruction slop

[paper parcel]

thats just how they look

[wind prairie]

please surviving earth have this 🙏

[mortal fossil]

I despise the slopification of media

Everything has to be lame and boring because kids

When documentaries are like

More of a teenager thing too
You need a certain brain development to understand the info presented and shown

[shrewd quiver]

ex-kid betraying his own kind

[wind prairie]

this tbh
I watched and loved walking withs as a little kid besides the coelophysis puppet but I didn't really understand any of it

[mortal fossil]

Ok but what is the FNAF Coelophysis lore

I must know now

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/tprr-fnaf-fnaf-lore-nutshell-fnaf-nutshell-gif-17770767700092606310

[ancient crystal]

It goes both ways though, again, shark documentaries have become more about blood and violence and less about education in the last 20 years and are objectively worse off for it

Shark Week is genuinely unwatchable, and hardly any professor willingly works with discovery anymore

[wind prairie]

I was scared of the thing as a child and thought the baby cynodont puppets were gross, so didn't watch WWD itself until a while later lol

[paper parcel]

Yknow what really scared me, it was the sea scorpions from that wwd sea monsters special with N Marvin

[mortal fossil]

Yeah shark “documentaries” have been direct-to-DVD jaws sequels and I hate that

I don’t want violence and gore to be the main focus

Just

Show it as a natural thing instead of

Dino Train with realistic CGI

Again like
Normal documentaries where you still show an eagle ripping apart a rabbit while not showing the mutilated guts and it getting its brain removed harder than MCU fans watching slop on loop

[mortal fossil]

Oh god I forgot how awful it looked like

I mostly remember the shots where it looked like a worse version of WDRA’s Coelo

WDRA was so peak

[wind prairie]

surprisingly I loved sea monsters as a kid but looking back yeah the scorpions are gross asf

[paper parcel]

Not the grossness, the scorpions just freaked me out because of how sharp they were, like they could poke my eyes through the screen.

[mortal fossil]

TAKE THAT BACK

the Eurypterids are precious

[wind prairie]

actually YES this is it you're so right
hard to describe the feeling but they felt prickly and creepily ticklish, especially with the sound effects as well

[paper parcel]

Imagine swimming in waist deep with murkey water when you feel something sharp pierce your leg.

[mortal fossil]

You could say it’s
Unnecessarily
E d g y

Ehhh?
E e e h?

[queen oar]

it's a Puppy

[tender dove]

Reminds me of Luke in Star Wars

[lucid gyro]

that’s why i’m afraid of oceans lol i don’t like walking deep into them bc what i step on freaks me out

[ancient crystal]

As if that isn't still a possibility today

[wind prairie]

tbf that's not an exclusively ordovician experience, not even the worst form of it actually 💔

[mortal fossil]

The humble scorpion fish / rock fish

[paper parcel]

Getting eaten by a mosasaur whole is preferrable, then getting shanked twenty times by a sea scorpion

[queen oar]

The Freaky Apostle:

[mortal fossil]

Lmao the sync on the
Australian beach landmine

Honourable mention to the sea urchin

[wind prairie]

today it comes with uncurable venom and camouflage 🥀
like bro if you don't want to be stepped on you're supposed to have bright colors why do you look like a rock

[winter marsh]

the humble stingray ripping a 20 inch cut off of your leg:

[paper parcel]

its not uncurable, but it does hurt

[mortal fossil]

Maybe he is into getting stepped on 🥀
His face definitely has freak department vibes

[ancient crystal]

Its not enough to bury themselves in the sand, no, they needed to be extra super duper sure nothing could eat them and developed a neurotoxin coated shiv

[outer tusk]

All you gonna do is put unneeded filters on this ss and make into analog horror scene

[wind prairie]

or at least hard to cure, iirc

[paper parcel]

Stonefish are both predators and prey so they developed camouflage for hunting and venom for defense. they hunt via ambushing btw so them being invisible is intentional

[queen oar]

Would you guys hold a Robber Fly?

[winter marsh]

isnt that the guy who has a very sharp mouth part and eats blood

[wind prairie]

I see it lmao

[mortal fossil]

Tbf
At least it’s not stargazers

It did allat and then decided to be a handheld defibrillator too

Because being invisible and being venomous ain’t enough

Gotta channel the wrath of Zeus into someone for having the audacity to not see it when it specifically is doing everything to not be seen

[small geyser]

Not without very thick gloves.

[haughty kraken]

because there is no graphics panel for consoles

[queen oar]

Yup they are cool as f#ck

[winter marsh]

fuh no

[ionic linden]

fuh no

[paper parcel]

Imagine finding this under your bed/trashcan. Arthropleura

[queen oar]

they are chill lol. I had two of them land on me before.

[mortal fossil]

Yes and no

Robber flies are basically a fly analogue to a dragonfly and an assassin bug

They are predators with very sharp mouth parts that catch prey in flight then turn it into soup and Schlorp

[outer tusk]

The

[winter marsh]

yeah I am putting it between my hand and the wall

[wind prairie]

I'd be horrified but then I might feed it some detritus

[ionic linden]

THE ALLOSAURUS is such a cool animal that everyone should love

[mortal fossil]

Free pet!
I am going to name her Anne

[small geyser]

Oh so they're not like horse flies. Good to know.

[balmy oyster]

They’re fun to pet

[queen oar]

Does anybody know if irl pics are allowed here?

[ionic linden]

you scare me

[wind prairie]

genuinely screw horseflies
but also I bet all of us here have at least one personal horror story involving wasps

[thorn grove]

pics of what

[small geyser]

I think any irl insect/arachnid pics are allowed to be posted but spoilered.

[paper parcel]

Imagine finding this on a camera you have.

[winter marsh]

never tbh

[queen oar]

of robber flies who landed on me, on two different days

[thorn grove]

idk go for it

worst that'll happen is the mods take it down but they'll probably just say go to another channel if you wanna post more

[balmy oyster]

I grabbed one with my hand and it stabbed me and I was sad and cried

I am now more careful when I catch bugs

[paper parcel]

DO NOT GOOGLE ROBBER FLIES

[wind prairie]

was really hot one day as a little kid I was walking in my grandma's garden not even doing anything and a wasp slipped through my shirt and stabbed me on my soft armpit

[ionic linden]

imma do it anyway

[mortal fossil]

That one time at the beach I thought a

One of those grabby metal pole things at the sidewalk were covered in dried bird poop

And 7 years old me wanted to brush it off for some reason idk I was very dumb as a kid

I brushed it off

It was all wasps

Like 70 of them

I BOLTED into the nearest pool and dove straight in and stayed underwater for a minute

[balmy oyster]

Why? They look kinda cute

[ionic linden]

omg they're so small and look like dragonflies

[wind prairie]

"dried bird poop"
oh HEEEELLLLLL no

[winter marsh]

thank god it was wasps and not african bees

[balmy oyster]

Robber flies are like small degraded dragonfly/fly hybrid looking things that do nothing except sit around and look fluffy

[queen oar]

They do jump on other bugs and suck them dry of their blood tho.

[ancient crystal]

They almost killed me once

[balmy oyster]

Great punishment for horseflies

[ionic linden]

i love promachus vertebratus, they're so cute looking

[mortal fossil]

Yeah I was very dumb as a kid
I ate leafs once because if Little Foot ate tree stars then they might be yummy

I am glad i didn’t accidentally eat something toxic

[ancient crystal]

Like, genuinely, I stopped breathing for a bit

[ionic linden]

if you ate something toxic it wouldve been like a trap
-# get it? hehehehehee im so unfunny..

[winter marsh]

I almost ate a slug when I was a child

[balmy oyster]

I’ve eaten ants off the pavement and they’ve tasted good

[mortal fossil]

Mmmm
Liver / lung worm flavoured

Yumm

[ionic linden]

i ate sand once i think, dont know how im still here typing in #paleontology in the grand '26

[wind prairie]

my grandma's house just had so many wasps all around it
she had a swing on the porch and I'd go there not seeing the huge wasp nest in the corner

[winter marsh]

protein yummers

[paper parcel]

Do not panic or look at if you hate insects, but this is the elephant mosquito, they entirely live off of necter when they are older, and have larvae that specialize in eating normal mosquito larvae.

[ancient crystal]

I'm waiting for someone here to be like, "I fell into a gorilla enclosure in 2016"

[ionic linden]

why is twin blue

[wind prairie]

lmao

[mortal fossil]

My ant eating story is

I was picking blackberries from my grandparents’ garden

The Ants swarmed it and insisted fighting for it

They kept biting me

I got annoyed
I decided to bite them back to assert dominance

[balmy oyster]

Can we breed billions of these things

[stiff osprey]

can't say i know the taste of ant but there is a species of ant in my house that smells like soap when killed for some reason

[ancient crystal]

Its the pheromones

[mortal fossil]

My blonde dumbahh doesn’t get it

[paper parcel]

yeah elephant mosquitos are peak and no, they do not drink blood, basically the sauropod of mosquitos

[wind prairie]

living in a rural area thankfully I knew how dangerous and plentiful ants were very early on
what with the stepping in grass barefoot

[ionic linden]

https://tenor.com/view/grave-gravedigger-grave-digger-grave-slash-digger-graveslashdigger-gif-11576374890232670075

[balmy oyster]

Maybe they eat your soap when you’re not looking

[outer tusk]

soap 😭

[ancient crystal]

No, your hair is red!

Just like how Crypt is a purple dinosaur, kuritan is a pokemon, and random is tied to the back of a yautja

[wind prairie]

being held hostage by one*

[mortal fossil]

Those are government drones

But apparently there are people who can smell ants like even a singular ant and they smell either like vinegar or soap depending on the species

Also it feels another proof of

Anteater being the mammal version of crab

Everything evolves into anteater

[queen oar]

What about Moths, have you guys ever handed one, two or more moths?

[paper parcel]

This is not a mosquito, crane flies eat dead matter and also have larvae that may eat some mosquito larvae.

[ancient crystal]

By kryptops right?

[ionic linden]

i want to pet a rabbit sized moth

[mortal fossil]

Yes and yes
I held both robber flies and moffs

They are fren

[wind prairie]

when. you. misspell. its. name. it. takes. it. out. on. MEEEE!!!

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/paranormal-activity-stairs-fall-pull-gif-3478845

[small geyser]

Captured and released a large moth from an aunt's house who thought it was a bat at first.

[paper parcel]

Tbh though I have encountered elephant mosquitos and crane flies, they are extremely skittish and usually stay away from you, crane flies can even hop

[wind prairie]

sometimes I see a weird scary caterpillar or one of these things and they're huge

[ancient crystal]

Oh to be a lunamoth that dies on a wall but remains stuck to it

[balmy oyster]

A bird could dream

[wind prairie]

WAIT THEY CAN DO IT DEAD???

[mortal fossil]

You underestimate the biblical level of pettiness I possess

[ionic linden]

same vanessa

[ancient crystal]

Half the luna moths I've ever seen have ended with me going, "oh wait, its dead"

[paper parcel]

This is the brazillian wandering spider, they are hyper aggressive, live entirely on the ground, have a 100% fatal venom that causes high blood pressure and painful "wood" in males, they rear up to look bigger and hunt mammals, lizards, and bugs.

[wind prairie]

yeah I think I know what they look like so I'm sure asf not unspoilering

[mortal fossil]

The Brazilian death Viagra

[ionic linden]

yeaahh errmm thats uhh.. thats a thing that i dislike right there

[stiff osprey]

having encountered wandering spiders before i am often less scared of them than i am of this thing

can it harm me in any way? no. but it commits psychological terror by aura farming over your head with its 20cm wingspan

[balmy oyster]

I would poke one

[ancient crystal]

You've heard it here first folks, eyes spots work on Random

[queen oar]

Don't know how many of these are moths, but yeah, these are all of my encounters.

[mortal fossil]

Ok fishinggarret

[balmy oyster]

Boop

[ionic linden]

https://tenor.com/view/mothman-super-pet-gif-24958093

[wind prairie]

giant moths sitting completely motionless on a wall have unnerving aura

[mortal fossil]

Are you by chance 3 tropical birds in a trench coat

Random is sus

[ancient crystal]

I like how the only times the terms "hyper aggressive 100% fatal" can actually apply to an animal without coming from some total loser is in the context of bugs

[paper parcel]

This is the camel spider, its closer to scorpions, has 4 fangs, and doesn't build webs, it doesn't have venom either it just bites things to death and injects them with acid.

[stiff osprey]

Only if the eyes are big enough. I've handled Hyperchiria moths and they have these wicked eyespots but I think they're very pretty instead of terrifying because they're only like 7cm in wingspan

[mortal fossil]

So your worst nightmare is an Atlas moth

[stiff osprey]

Yes

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-mothra-godzilla-mothra-mothra-mosura-godzilla-gif-21674896

[paper parcel]

Btw camel spiders can't climb like other arachnids, so if you try that hand trick they will bite you to prevent themselves from falling

[small geyser]

They make squeaking sounds when threatened too.

[wind prairie]

I would say the bug I'm most afraid of but I just know someone will post an image

[undone rapids]

Its really fun since it chases your shadow for shade

[queen oar]

what about the Rhinoceros Beetle, has anyone found and handed one?

[balmy oyster]

My favorite thing to do is find a roach and chase people around with it

BE AFRAID, OF THE OVERSIZED TERMITE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ancient crystal]

I had an arachnophobe friend once.

I would send them pictures of bugs as a joke.

We don't talk anymore...

[small geyser]

||https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Eo2AqseFIgk?feature=share||

[paper parcel]

hes just like me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hz9Rjyr_vA

[wind prairie]

those things had the equivalent reaction of horror as rats for me. They received: My dad's boot being held very distantly by hand from me

[jagged trellis]

nah but have held japanese giant hornets
mostly unwillingly

[balmy oyster]

No but when i used to live in chicago stag beetles were crazy invasive and we played a lot with them

[paper parcel]

He's trying to be a vertebrate so hard with those jaws.

[ancient crystal]

Random being accosted by an atlas moth, 1964, colorized

[wind prairie]

I feel like I get more and more scared of bugs the as I find them cooler, it sucks

[mortal fossil]

I owned one of these as a pet
His name was Satan because I thought he died in a molt so I put him in a box and was planning to bury him but I forgot

2 weeks later it started moving

And by dying in a molt
I mean STUCK in the molt

It also had no visible heartbeat or anything

Then it “reanimated” 2 weeks later because I moistened him to confirm if he was dead before putting in the box

I never before witnessed a hardened failed molt specimen just casually re-soften and re-molt

Thing was posessed

But I loved him

He actually was a sweet boy and never bit me even when handling

[queen oar]

I did.

[ionic linden]

it sounds so weird 😭

[stiff osprey]

I've held an Euchroma beetle, very pretty but it was not an enjoyable experience because the thing jumped off a tree onto the back of my neck

[ancient crystal]

Whenever my sister would freak out over a spider, my dad would walk over, stomp on it really hard, chortle, and say, "I win the spider battle every time!"

[paper parcel]

Cat

[mortal fossil]

Does handling them at an exotic pet fair counts

[queen oar]

sure

[balmy oyster]

Maybe there is something wrong with me because I’d do the same thing with a rodent if I knew it wasn’t sick

[wind prairie]

spiders comparatively aren't that bad to me like
whenever I see one in my house it's usually dangling down in front of me from a web it's actively producing, so I just grab the string and carry it that way lol

[paper parcel]

I think its a arachnid trying to be a vertebrate tbh, makes sense giving its 4 jaws look like the 2 big rows of teeth vertebrates have

[winter marsh]

the most interesting bug ive handled was a dead tiger beetle which my mom stepped on when I was a kid

[queen oar]

Because someone mentioned hornets, I don't know what this is, if it's a Wasp, Hornet or whatever, but yeah, this also was a chill guy

[mortal fossil]

The most extreme thing I handled was a hornet and an Arizona giant scorpion
Oh and a giant vinegaroon

[wind prairie]

from past experience I can never trust a bug that looks like that ever again

[paper parcel]

Fun fact hyraxes are the closest relatives of elephant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ylwckvByk

[mortal fossil]

Some kind of paper wasp but too blurry for me to identify further

[winter marsh]

the lil guy was running like crazy on the floor. She wasnt paying attention so the tiger beetle just ran under her foot and the rest is history. I cried for like 20 minutes (I was like 7 years old)

[ionic linden]

what O_o

[queen oar]

oh yeah, after this interaction it decided to sleep on one of the tables

[ancient crystal]

Hornets are more compact and bee-shaped proportionally, this is a wasp

[wind prairie]

my mom accidentally dropped my goldfish down the drain when I was a kid 💔

[paper parcel]

they use special calls to alert other hyraxes and communicate. they have been around during the ice age, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vP9ie2PSY0

[tender dove]

You know fish can't survive in drains

[ancient crystal]

A few years ago I watched a group of carpenter ants hunt down a spider, split open its abdomen and pull its guts out

[ionic linden]

wowzers

[winter marsh]

I also found a dead green bee but my teacher thought it was a horse fly and threw it away (I had smth with dead bugs idk why)

[winter marsh]

in the same trip I was doing when I found the tiger beetle I was collecting dead ants for some forbidden reason

[ancient crystal]

A mere like two months before the almost-died-to-wasps thing, there was a huge wasp queen that my spanish class was all cowering from and I confidently walked over and squished it, entirely unaware I was deathly allergic

[stiff osprey]

a few years ago I found a wasp-mimicking moth in the woods with some classmates, the thing was about the size of my thumb

I thought it was a giant wasp, so when it took off vertically and flew vaguely in my direction we just absolutely booked it

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

[paper parcel]

Also non avian dinosaurs only went extinct. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QxIv62-rq8

[queen oar]

I was going to say, when we talk about bugs suddenly this chat is so peaceful... And then someone had to bring the dinosaurs back

[arctic crane]

It's fish lizard time
https://share.google/B2kkZkaIU2h0uVv2X

[stiff osprey]

well, the mods are going to kill us if we don't get back to dinosaurs

[wind prairie]

the bugs make me uncomfortable so I don't mind

[winter marsh]

I had an obsession with dead bugs, maybe I had a problem (or still have). I was fascinated with those little panels with bugs stuck to them with needles

[wind prairie]

the solution: discuss extinct bugs instead

[charred hearth]

thoughts on Omnidens?

[queen oar]

We have one in our campus, don't know if we have photos.

[paper parcel]

Yep plus cassowaries deserve to be conserved, the males are highly protective of their young and they have powerful lethal kicks

[arctic crane]

Evolution peaked

[winter marsh]

would make a divine fillet

[charred hearth]

what exactly are the two...ateena's? feelers? for

[queen oar]

The duality of man

[paper parcel]

cassowaries also make low rumbling sounds to mark their territory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuSVLMHUkvQ

[queen oar]

💎

[stiff osprey]

no way... omnimen

[ancient crystal]

I like how my knee jerk reaction to this is "erm, all animal life deserves to be conserved" and then I remember the video of John Green crashing out over Ticks and how it would be perfectly fine for them to all go extinct and I'm like... yeah, maybe not everthing...

[winter marsh]

prob smth similar to a hammerhead's... hammerhead

[mortal fossil]

Oh it’s a Potter Wasp
Pterocheilus sp.

[charred hearth]

would it be closest in niche to a bobbit worm?

[paper parcel]

honestly would create a nanomachine plague to remove parasites from the equation tbh

[mortal fossil]

You’re a Wasp, Harry

[winter marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/magnifying-glass-gem-gem-alert-spying-gif-8152235274896165137

[jagged trellis]

friend shaped

[ancient crystal]

I like how parasites basically saw the whole interconnected food web where everything has its role to fill and is important, and were like, "nah, I'm in this for only myself"

Oh my god. Parasites were the first capitalists.

[winter marsh]

prob smth like a stingray or an actual shrimp, its a bottomfeeder that feasts on (probably) dead matter and crustacens. Bobbit worms are burrowing ambush hunters and Omnidens wasnt really shaped for burrowing or ambushing at all

[queen oar]

What do you guys think we roasted some Scutosaurus?

[mortal fossil]

Crunchy

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/shinkaigyo-worm-eat-hungry-gif-10694963

[stiff osprey]

tbf parasites do have a major role in the evolution of most clades

It's just that role is ''being the creep everyone is actively trying to evolve away from all the time''

[winter marsh]

I honestly think it would taste like rubber

[mortal fossil]

He is pulling the poor fish straight to hell where it came from 🥺😭

[arctic crane]

newly discovered Xiphodracon
Always good to get more early Jurassic animals

[queen oar]

would be nutritious I think

[charred hearth]

bobbit worms scare me.

im scared.

im horrified of them, im horrified of worms, leeches, it dosent matter, im terrified of them.

[stiff osprey]

Also they gave us the placenta that one time, that was cool

[winter marsh]

he is feeling... lonely

[wind prairie]

one thing that instantly makes leeches hilarious is their reaction to salt

[mortal fossil]

I don’t know
Laying eggs sounds a lot better than going through the horror of child labour

Also
Which parasite should I hunt to extinction for the horrors of pregnancy

[charred hearth]

i may dislike them but i would never salt them, or snails, or slugs, or worms

[ancient crystal]

Fish: most efficient swimming animals to ever evolve, one of the only true examples of outcompetition between clades

This specific idiot: Oh no! A bobbit worm! Guess I should slowly walk backwards on my boneless, paper thin limbs!

[stiff osprey]

endogenous retroviruses
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9367772/

[winter marsh]

newly discovered poophead gets described and thrown in the abyss of the forgotten fossil record while everyone glorifies Spinosaurus Mirabilis for the 386th time

[queen oar]

what if we did a Triceratops BBQ?

[ionic linden]

it would taste like a triceratops

[ancient crystal]

The humble kiwi:

[mortal fossil]

They come pre-equipped with kebab skewers for the grilling so that’s cool

[wind prairie]

glyptodonts come with bowls as well

[arctic crane]

Lol nobody care about ichthyosaurs. They aren't dinosaurs.

But could ichthyotitan fight a Trex?

[mortal fossil]

Hey at least it doesn’t immediately scream after being pooped out

[mortal fossil]

Noot noot

[ionic linden]

https://tenor.com/view/agnes-tachyon-uma-musume-low-cortisol-gif-1044120754729731909

[ancient crystal]

The only true thing a Tyrannosaurus could never hunt: an ichthyotitan being crushed under the enormity of its own weight on a beach

Tyrannosaurus doesn't hunt it for fear or from the size difference, no, it doesn't do so out of pity.

[queen oar]

btw, paleoartist Cryptyrannus have you done any new paleoart?

[winter marsh]

first, nobody cares about anything that isnt related to the big famous ones, something like Haolong getting not even 3 days of hype while this dumb dwarf spino gets a whole month of fanart. Second, yeah icthy destroys

[ancient crystal]

They're too busy being tormented by the spirit of cryptobrosaurus

[mortal fossil]

God finally someone understands my pain

[arctic crane]

But the real question is do ichthyosaurs have blubber?

[queen oar]

I believe it's GPTceratops that is tormenting them now... Cryptobrosaurus went extinct like.... How many years ago?

[mortal fossil]

Ah yes
The famous NFTyrannus

[winter marsh]

its very cool but its not like David Peters hasnt done smth like it before. Woah bigger crest lets ignore the prickly ornithopod

[stiff osprey]

famously no one has ever drawn a quilled ornithopod before

[wind prairie]

I'm not a paleoartist, cryptyrannus doesn't like me drawing it either
at least I think? Hard to decipher its opinion sometimes

[ionic linden]

do not forget sigmasuchus

[mortal fossil]

The fact AI Spino gets more clout than porcupine iggy is crazy work

[winter marsh]

I mean the big crest spinosaurus (also I know heterodontosaurus, but haolong had much thicker quills hence I said prickly and not quilled)

[ancient crystal]

I think comparing a very basic crest in the grand scheme of dinosauria to David Peters' insane, probably drug induced visions is a little extreme

[wind prairie]

great. Now it's mad at me.. why would you say that?

[queen oar]

I would object, but then again, it's probably why he is so jacked

[winter marsh]

its for dramatic effect

[mortal fossil]

This reminds me of a meme hold on

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/not-good-jon-stewart-big-daddy-beer-gif-6090491

Oh there's the moderators, I was wondering when they'd show up

[mortal fossil]

This but with David Peters vs a normal paleontologist describing pterodactyls

[tight kettle]

A general reminder to please keep this channel on-topic with paleontology. Memes or other unrelated content should be directed to other channels.

Please read the pinned messages in this channel, as well as the server #rules.

[wind prairie]

both deserve cool art

[queen oar]

No, only Haolong.

[winter marsh]

spino mirabilis lowkey has more paleoart than what smth like Cetiosaurus has ever had in its lifespan

[ancient crystal]

How many copies of Path of Titans do I need to buy to convince Matt to change this channel to a general science channel?

[queen oar]

" 200 copies "

[winter marsh]

''both of your kidneys, a lung and 1/3th of your liver''

[queen oar]

" And your teeth!!! "

[small geyser]

Throw in an arm and a leg while you're at it

[arctic crane]

Omg did you guys know that they found a new spinosaurus? I hope this one can kill a Trex
https://youtu.be/VKkl887vwnE?si=cVml5h9mrJORx7K7

[paper parcel]

How many argentinosaurus would you need to feed a 100 people?

[winter marsh]

I lowkey searched ''cetiosaurus paleoart'' and the best I could find was some 2000s art

[wind prairie]

Just 1000 copies and I'll give it up! But don't think it'll be easy

[jagged trellis]

less than 1 ima be fr
large prob bois can feed hundreds on their own

[winter marsh]

mfs seeing a spinosaurus with a larger crest and lowkey be treating it how the people in the 1800s were treating megalosaurus when it was discovered

[queen oar]

Venator making a contract with the Path of Titans Devs to change the Paleontology channel

[wind prairie]

bro it's cool do we need any reason more 💔

[ancient crystal]

Its a little strange to act like arguably the second most popular large therapod of all time getting a second species after over a century likewise receiving a deluge of paleoart in the first week is a bad thing

A better example, I think, would Tyrannosaurus' second species receiving less fan fair and attention after almost 150 years

[small geyser]

We should do a petition. I'd sign in a heartbeat.

[wind prairie]

because mirabilis looks unique and it's debated whether mcraensis is even valid

[queen oar]

tbh, the only reason I don't like it, and i'll probably never draw it. It's because it has you know?

...The Myhrvold guy???

[winter marsh]

we lowkey discovered a porcupine in ornithopod shape and we glazing the gnome looking spino? Shameful

[ancient crystal]

Mcreaensis is valid because if it isn't I'll cry

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/Visceral9000/status/2026407423544598972

🦎Visceral🪶 (Tomistoma enjoyer🐊) (@Visceral9000)

Remember when the film 65 made such a bad tyrannosaur/theropod design that it genuinely gaslit people into thinking it was a Fasolasuchus?

X · Feb 24, 2026, 9:22 PM

[wind prairie]

haolong has nothing to do with this
but I glaze both

[mortal fossil]

Yeah it’s mega obnoxious
It got more art in 4 days than most dinos do in their entire lifetime

[ancient crystal]

Hey, lets not bring this up here in this discord that consistently deletes messages pertaining to the papers

[arctic crane]

Jokes aside. Hate an actual animal that really did exist because too many people like it today is pretty weird to me honestly

[queen oar]

Alright, but i'm just saying, that realistically, given the nature of what has been revealed about the individual. It's not a good idea to support a work of authors who hadn't pronounced anything about that matter.

[winter marsh]

it has due to it having like 5 paleoarts while the dwarf stubby looking creep has like hundreds of art of it

[small geyser]

Its pretty much the same as hating anything just because people like it. Doesn't make you cool or edgy.

[mortal fossil]

It’s the fact that it is the 2nd most popular theropod that is atrocious

It doesn’t deserve that fame when it hijacked undeserved popularity to that spot because of

One of the worst movies ever made
And an actual pdf file (Jack Horner) who pushed its popularity

[wind prairie]

what even is haolong are those like baby feathers that will turn into actual feathers, or genuinely just weird structures that looked like that for its whole life?

[winter marsh]

the thing is, I love spinosaurus but seeing its slightly different cousin getting glazed across the internet like something ''woah ts cool'' is genuenily idk man I wanna defy the hive mind yeah I love Haolong it deserves more

[hushed fossil]

Omfg

[charred hearth]

thoughts?

[small geyser]

Spinosaurus isn't even my favorite dinosaur because of JP3. It became my favorite after playing Zoo Tycoon and the 2020 findings made me like it even more.

[wind prairie]

and my favorite dinosaur is cryptyrannus!

[mortal fossil]

Kryptopstyrannus

[ancient crystal]

REAL

Not certain animal rights groups wanting to release all those cute cows from the feedlots with no regard whatsoever for what devastation that would release upon the surrounding ecosystem

[winter marsh]

sharks are overhated

[hushed fossil]

Real

[wind prairie]

it's biting me pulling me away from my keyboard oh my go

[arctic crane]

Sure. I find the ecological implications of mirabilis more interesting than the actual animal, but haolong is cool too

[ancient crystal]

You say this, and I agree wholeheartedly, but its a slippery slope because one second we're all fawning over the cute sea puppers and the next some idiot's lost a hand because they thought they could pet a tiger shark

[runic rover]

Ngl if I have to pick a side between "whatever is a new discovery to furtherly understand Spinosaurus" and Iguanodon with hedgehog neck I'd pick the spino in a heartbeat, maybe it can really help us understanding agaeypticus better.

( Besides, mirabilis is freaking beautiful no matter what it's not even a matter of X cooler than Y )

[jagged trellis]

jp3 isn't even a bad film what
its not lw or the firsts quality but its objectively alright as a film
horner is a
bad though yeah, though this has been the case for decades

[hushed fossil]

Based

[charred hearth]

everytime someone says dolphins are evil and sharks are innocent a puppy is forced to pay taxes

[mortal fossil]

Dolphins are evil

[wind prairie]

I really love both but I'm more curious about haolong bc genuinely what

[bright veldt]

tbf afaik the artist himself calls it Fasolasuchus, although part of me feels like it's just acknowledging what people dub it rather than that being the plan, because everything about the film's production suggests it was a trex that was made quad very late

[small geyser]

I may be wrong here but I think the fact that S. Mirabilis is getting more spotlight is the fact that its a carnivorous theropod and not just that its a Spinosaurus.

[winter marsh]

[ancient crystal]

No, no, its because its spinosaurus

[charred hearth]

😡

[arctic crane]

Be nice to over hated animals

[mortal fossil]

Go pay your taxes

[small geyser]

Vultures should be there too

[wind prairie]

jumpscared me

[hushed fossil]

Theyre cute. I like lampreys eyes especially

[queen oar]

Do you call it a Spinosaur indet or Spinosaurus mirabilis?

[mortal fossil]

Scolopendra my beloved

[ancient crystal]

I will say though, I was pleasantly surprised that the paper was a lot more than just a description of mirabilis, I liked the methodology for assessing spinosaurus ecology even if the conclusions seemed a little forced

[full lagoon]

Which is why there's a difference between respecting and treating an animal like a pet.

[jagged trellis]

there is the issue in fauna that people hyper fixate on some and it does cause info issues
but its not the animal magically being bad, its just people latching onto em
spino is a cool as sin as an animal, it does deserve the popularity, the issue is the lesser known stuff remaining lesser known from not getting studies

[small geyser]

The latter.

[queen oar]

If you call it Spinosaurus mirabilis, it's pretty clear why it's getting so much attention.

[arctic crane]

I forget people hate those

[hushed fossil]

Actual kid behaviour

[queen oar]

Like, I'll be genuine here, but if it was a paper simply describing " Spinosaurinae indeterminate ", I don't think people would really care, mate.

[winter marsh]

people lowkey studying about rex's toe girth interfering in walkspeed while Bahariasaurus remains a taxonomical mess

[ancient crystal]

A difference a lot of people don't understand.

Do I baby talk my sharks and worry over their every need? Yes, yes I do.

Do I also know not to ever stick my hands anywhere near where they can reach because they're wild animals with no love for me? Yes, yes I do.

[undone rapids]

I don't think there's anything they can do for bahariasaurus until something is found

[jagged trellis]

like the godzilla vs gamera bit
godzilla isn't lame, he's cool af and earned his rep, just gamera deserves attention as well

[arctic crane]

It's a pretty solid paper. I can't wait to find out more about Cretaceous North African ecology

[small geyser]

Good point.

[ancient crystal]

I mean, what do you expect? The most well studied animal in the history of the field to not be used as proofs of methodology?

[bright veldt]

I'm not about to be a part of the "trex is overrated" crowd but I do think it's accurate to say that trex does have a bit of an overzealous following

[arctic crane]

That's true for a lot of peoples "complaints" about paleontology
It's not our fault some animals refuse to fossilize

[bright veldt]

and keep in mind when I say this that I'm not talking about the typical rex fanfare it gets 90% of the time, I'm talking about the paleobuffs that think of each individual trex specimen almost like it's own "character" and they know every single one and are the first to jump on the next potential largest rex specimen

[winter marsh]

I expect people to look at other creatures and actually study them instead of throwing them into the taxonomical limbo

[queen oar]

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[undone rapids]

i think people also forget that most researchers can mainly study things from their own country/museum. An American worker can't really go describe some cool unique sauropod in Africa easily unless its easily accessible

[ancient crystal]

Sure, sure, but its not like taxonomic woes are avoidable. If extant animals are able to have very messy taxonomy, and not even rare deep sea ones, I'm talking about the brown bear of all things, then I think the same can triply be said for the field where all the animals are dead and actually rocks

[runic rover]

Wanna talk about how we have 5x "Rex specialists" that dedicate their lives to study it and every year discover new stuffs while "the oh so overrated" other giant theropods have one if lucky or literally one description?

[mortal fossil]

Ehhh it’s more complicated than that
A lot of more obscure species / dig sites just don’t get research / expedition founding because of the slopification of science papers and media

It’s a problem of certain animals that could / would be studied not getting any research or money or attention while the same overrated ones get an unnecessarily huge funding / spotlight

Do we REALLY need a 20th almost complete Rex specimen

[bright veldt]

I don't think that's entirely fair given, again, the sample size and ease of access compared to most other giant theropods.

[winter marsh]

we should lowkey quit everything and become stupid monkeys cuz ts lowkey confusing

[jagged trellis]

which is an issue of said latching and by proxy not getting studies so lesser knowns and funded stay in it sadly, not rex itself

[bright veldt]

The only time I personally think that's justified is with spinosaurus because there is a lot of unknowns with spinosaurus, especially taxonomically, that seem to get ignored in favor of sensationalizing it or paleontologists debating with each other over stuff that should be common sense back and forth.

[queen oar]

tbh, I don't think that is much of a factor. A factor is probably more related to preservation bias and how that sorta of affects some of the researchers choices on what clades they would study. By extension, Carr had the choices of either studying Dromaeosaurs or Tyrannosaurs, but he mainly decided to study Tyrannosaurs, because he was told that they preserved better than Dromaeosaurs essentially.

[ancient crystal]

Yes, and I don't know why you would pretend otherwise.

Large sample sizes are cool and valuable, actually. And no, 20 nearly complete specimens don't a good understanding of a millions-of-years-lasting genus make.

[arctic crane]

Yes we need all the complete specimens.

But also it's not about famous animals stealing funding from less famous ones. Without those famous ones there would be no funding. Ask the common man what he thinks about the new spinosaurus Discovery and I have no idea what you're talking about.

[undone rapids]

That is what they've been doing for a while. We don't even have a solid idea of what deltadromeus and gualicho are yet despite decent material since they don't have any skull material, bahariasaurus should be ignored until something better is found tbh. Its position is ash

[mortal fossil]

This
People not understanding that paleontologists and dig sites are fighting for money and funds because it’s a “useless science” to the public and the government

Money and funding is a limited resource

Then every unnecessary Rex / Spino / etc paper that is already overexposured is actively hurting the research that could be done elsewhere

[winter marsh]

megaraptors lowkey having no known ancestors at all and being across like 4 different groups

[queen oar]

Me when I'm at a competition of being the most unhelpful person ever, and my opponent is Public Opinion:

[undone rapids]

They're pretty likely to just be tyrannosauroids now

[bright veldt]

Why are people in here trying to suggest things get thrown into taxonomic limbo on purpose? Sometimes they don't exactly know what something is and it stays that way. Baharia for example doesn't have jack to work with. There's literally nothing rn.

[runic rover]

I don't think Thomas Carr dedicated his entire life in transforming everything into a Rex because "idk it's close to my home", popularity is clearly a strong strong factor, both in funding (we know very well people call everything "tyrannosaurus" in auctions to boost gains) and in general paleontologist interest.

[winter marsh]

being thrown out to the limbo on mistake might be worse since if you make it on purpose youd actually care about it enough to throw it away. its just bad as a whole. actually I sound stupid idk

[arctic crane]

Disagree all you like, but without the "overated" ones the average person wouldn't even know what a dinosaur is. All of science is underfunded, especially those the powers that be deem useless. Thanks to spinosaurus other animals in its region will get recognition but without it most of them would still just be weird tocks

[ancient crystal]

Thomas Carr was of the (at the time) reasonable opinion nano was rex, that does not equate to the man dedicating his whole life into turning everything into rex

[bright veldt]

Yall nearly lost me with that I'll be real.

[undone rapids]

You know, I think we're really lacking some paper that tells us if tyrannosaurs were biting harder than other theropods. Maybe some more Finite element analysis is needed

[hushed fossil]

First time?

[ionic linden]

i thought that said eddie carr 😭

[mortal fossil]

Baharia is unfortunately dust
It is the problem of like
Does anyone even try to look for new Baharia material tho?

Spino is actively searched all the time

I don’t think anyone tries to uncover more Baharia remains is what part of the issue is

It’s not the fact we have nothing
It’s the fact we aren’t looking for more

[bright veldt]

??? There's been several expeditions into North Africa for the past 20 years what are you on about.

[ancient crystal]

The worlds leading expert on Tyrannosaurus has one, ONE, bad take that he doesn't easily let go just like nearly EVERY paleontologist EVER and somehow he's the bad guy lmao.

[winter marsh]

I think what will actually happen is they walk away with their sunshine and just leave the rest to rot

[arctic crane]

Without the big mega theropods it would have even less funding. I don't like that fact but it's true

[undone rapids]

Egyptian paleo has been growing slowly, they published a dyrosaur last year iirc.

[wind prairie]

meanwhile the big therizinosaurus himself lays with only a claw and a few fragments to its name when I just KNOW there's more out there

[ionic linden]

the "tyrannosaurus was a scavenger" thing?

[ancient crystal]

That's horner who is about as far away from a tyrannosaurus expert as you can get whilst still calling yourself a paleontologist

[wind prairie]

same with hell creek and pachycephalosaurus... I'd be so happy if theri and pachy get more material

[mortal fossil]

I know that North Africa is researched as a whole
I just haven’t heard or specifically looking around / for stuff like Baharia or where it was found

[arctic crane]

Already describing some of the others. Spino was the excuse for funding now they gotta make the most of ot

[ionic linden]

oh

[ancient crystal]

That lousy swamp has more than just edmontosaurus mummies in it I just know it, its just hiding them from us

[bright veldt]

Carr thinking nano was rex. Like yeah. He was wrong about that. Given the context of what was known and going on at the time it was perfectly reasonable. Science changes. That's what science is. Nobody should give the nano non-belivers crap just like all the nano-believers going "I told you so" should shut their traps.

[mortal fossil]

This
It has been happening a lot as is

This is all “trickle down economics” all over again and it’s been not working

[winter marsh]

''some'' gang why dont we lowkey rob a bank and give the money to them so we could describe them ALL

[wind prairie]

if theri and pachy get more material and they look weird it'll be cool and bittersweet in a way, they're the most iconic members of their groups but also the most derived so they probably had strange features we can't see yet

[undone rapids]

Growing the Paleo program in these smaller countries is nice, hopefully we'll one day see something come out of no where from some small formation no one really knew about

[arctic crane]

Dangerous ideologies lol
Why indeed?

[mortal fossil]

he is not even a paleontologist

He got a “honorary degree” for “finding” Maiasaura (not even his discovery but he stole it) while he fell out of university before that

It certainly shows on his “papers” and “opinions”

[ancient crystal]

This is (sadly) what modern science has largely been reduced too

Saw a paper proposal to study the psychology of coyotes and in it, it was trying very hard to connect it to human psychology by the thinnest thread imaginable because that's the only way they can get funding.

[winter marsh]

because why the heck did spino mirabilis, which THAT much popularity, only give them enough money to describe ''some''

ts lowkey being less about spino mirabilis and more about how messed up science not being funded is

[undone rapids]

The author of S.mirabilis is gonna do a QnA on "Fish are People" it seems, will be cool

[arctic crane]

How radical am I allowed to get on this board?

[ancient crystal]

Because, and I'm going to be blunt here, these are rocks.

Rare, inert rocks with no industrial value. No country is willing to give too much funding to this field. Even big names, and big labs, with large amounts of funding in all actuality have pennies compared to the fields with more anthrocentric value

[bright veldt]

Utahraptor being chiseled out of a rock for 10+ years now

[undone rapids]

Sereno only was able to fund these expeditions due to an anon donor. There's also some eyebrow raising people in the paper's author list

[wind prairie]

please man I just want to know what therizinosaurus and pachycephalosaurus looked like

[winter marsh]

if I was a millionaire id give my money to them. But I dont have money 💔

[stiff osprey]

Begging people to learn to blame the hellscape system we live in for their problems and not a random dead animal

It's giving "pandas are to blame for the californian ass bug going extinct" energy

[small geyser]

I'm probably going to be playing bingo at a senior center by the time thats done.

[runic rover]

You realize he didn't even take a look at the bones, right? Because Nanos were in private collections, and he refused to look into them.

It may be an obscure thing but back then if you were lunatic enough to think Nano was plausible it was public knowledge.

[winter marsh]

We are in discord. What the hell do you expect. we ALL hating on S. Mirabilis 🔥 🥶

[stiff osprey]

You are. Everyone else is being normal

[arctic crane]

I think many of you don't realize how little most people care about dinosaurs. Just yesterday at fencing practice I had to explain what allosaurus was, they thought I was talking about the "dinosaur from the Disney movie'

[bright veldt]

You do realize you gave the problem with that in this statement right?

[small geyser]

Stone cold truth.

[jagged trellis]

which is worrying given this is potcord, normal ain't normal here
also hai random

[ancient crystal]

In the mere four years I have been apart of my university, I have seen a massive shift away from the life sciences we were once known for in favor of economics, computer sciences, and especially med school

Every year the College of Earth, Ocean, and Environment gets less funding while every year our medical campus gets another multi billion dollar complex.

This is how it is. The life sciences are unfortunately not important to the people with the power to fund them. Maybe in a few years the pendulum will swing and at least some of the fields will be swimming in cash. You know which one won't be regardless? Paleontology.

[winter marsh]

I am the whole reason paleontology is underrated, my bad gang

[runic rover]

Frankly i have never seen people this much displeased on a scientific discovery, maybe Nano discovery did better on that note.

[winter marsh]

We should lowkey feed all of our fundings into AI slop and destroy all fossils because theyre stupid rocks

[sullen cairn]

i think like any longrich paper sees more online backlash than mirabilis

[undone rapids]

The most backlash I have seen for mirabilis paper is it having 29 authors.

[ancient crystal]

Longrich is the reason for the culture surrounding nano's revalidation.

[bright veldt]

and having some people on there

[sullen cairn]

and not describing an additional two sauropods

[arctic crane]

Unfortunately he's speaking facts

[winter marsh]

not many people are tbh, might be just because we are also finding a lot of other cool stuff along with it and only spino mirabilis is getting the spotlights

[ancient crystal]

Oh, oh no, the paleontologists got together to write a paper on a massive discovery for an animal heavily in the public eye, and they ALL wanted credit? The horror!

[stiff osprey]

Well one of the authors is on Epstein's list

that's a much better reason to be mad than "the spinosaurus is eclipsing talk about my favorite carboniferous bug"

[bright veldt]

I don't want to give him THAT much credit, but him publishing an absolutely garbage paper on the same subject the year before really didn't help things.

[undone rapids]

Also the paper didn't say how big it was down to the miligram

[small geyser]

Absolutely wild to hate an animal just for existing or previously existing.

[arctic crane]

And I thought historians had it bad lol

[undone rapids]

Oh yeah that's understandable. I was just talking about the DMG stuff

[bright veldt]

Oh no for all the nonsense paleontology has to deal with from outside people and drama, archaeology and history folks have it way worse. Don't be mistaken.

[ancient crystal]

Netflix having some of the worst, out dated, near conspiratorial modern documentaries for both paleontology and archaeology is really something

[arctic crane]

I'm well aware. I went to school for zoology then I changed my major to history. The things random people believe about the medieval period actually scares me

[winter marsh]

aliens built the pyramids type shy

[arctic crane]

Dinosaur aren't real

[winter marsh]

I kinda feel bad for the people that study our history having to deal with stuff like this cuz we are just throwing the hard work of hundreds, even thousands of ancient people out the window with some extraterrestrial bullshi

[undone rapids]

Yeah its been a whole thing on if Preparators, diggers, etc and how many people should be authors and who should be in the acknowledgements section. Last I checked people seemed to like the idea of moving the "Acknowledgements" section from the bottom of the paper to the top, below the authors maybe. So people who help prepare, excavate, etc go there and people who work on the description areput in authors section

[ancient crystal]

@mortal fossil As much as you hate spinosaurus, you can't deny its in the public eye. It's perfectly reasonable for any grad student and professor with the time on their hands to be chomping at the bit to have their names on a big spino paper.

[pliant cedar]

what he said

[mortal fossil]

Yeah it’s exactly what I have a huge issue with
It’s just overrated slop that feeds into a cycle being overrated slop

[arctic crane]

There is a 15th century fencing treatise from a knight I study in that Vatican. And they won't release it because it is too much money to so

[ancient crystal]

So what? You want them to stifle their careers by refusing a literal once in a century opportunity?

[pliant cedar]

archaeologists after hearing the 50th biblical flood or pyramid building alien theory

[hushed fossil]

If I speak

[bright veldt]

I understand the hustle from the paleontologist perspective, I just really disagree when it actively misleads or gets in the way sometimes. See spinosaurus at times, and Perucetus. Keep in mind said instances are rare but jeez it annoys me when it does occur.

[winter marsh]

spinosaurus mirabilis is the meta, already overshadowed the previously released haolong smh smh

[arctic crane]

We might be getting too spicy gentlemen. I dig it though

[ancient crystal]

See there's seizing your chance, and then there's lying to trick people into giving you money.

One is a reasonable action on a very uncertain career path, the other is fraud.

[foggy river]

There’s a reason spinosaurus makes it to the cover of Science
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