paleontology

[ancient crystal]

Might've been a good thing I wasn't there today because I might've bought everything 💀

[tough parcel]

How is that a bad thing...

[craggy trench]

Venator when bank account is in the triple negatives

[ancient crystal]

I think my dad would actually commit filicide if I carted a bunch of rocks home in the back of my truck

[tough parcel]

I don't recall if there was a study on ceratopsid eyesight but there was a Trike study that found their sense of hearing and smell was kinda subpar

[craggy trench]

Trikes wore glasses confirmed

[queen oar]

Do you imagine if someday you buy enough fossils to build an entire skeleton? ( Probably would lead to some abomination )

exactly the idea. Or that analogy horror thing

These things

[tough parcel]

Is Andrew ok?

[full lagoon]

What is this abomination from

These Chimeras remind me of No Man's Sky's creatures and fossils (but more cursed)

[little mauve]

Optic lobes were inferred but not isolated in Zhou et al. 2007's description of the brain of psittacosaurus, but it had tall vertical semicircular canals that correlate with gaze stabilization- which may indicate strong eyesight and/or greater agility. Sakagami & Kawabe's 2020 study of Triceratops' endocast did not prominently describe the optic lobes but Witmer & Ridgley 2008's work on Pachyrhinosaurus describes the optic tectum as "small." So vision may have been more important for early ceratopsians than later ones but we don't know, early ceratopsians generally have more highly developed brains than later ones

[lime eagle]

I believe it’s red dead redemption 2. Red dead 1 had something similar.

[full lagoon]

Huh. I wouldn't have expected that from that game.

[tough parcel]

RDR1 has Sasquatch

[tough parcel]

Tbf I feel like it's common sense the small prey species in a dense forest would have higher visual acuity/agility than the multi-ton biological bulldozer

[little mauve]

True, just providing the relevant studies 👌

[ancient crystal]

I mean, it takes place right around the dawn of paleontology, so its certainly less unexpected than the time traveler or robot that develops a conscience

[tough parcel]

Hm I have decided I hate science and will destroy all relevant studies becuase of this.

[full lagoon]

Fair, but I didn't expect it to be an explored aspect on first impression. Tbf I'm not that familiar with the game.

[charred hearth]

thoughts?

[little mauve]

Tough but fair

[full lagoon]

Didn't watch it but I don't really mind because it just seems generic

[tough parcel]

Can't find any corroborating source

[charred hearth]

does this help you

[wind prairie]

did non mammalian therapsids have color vision more like mammals or more like reptiles

[full lagoon]

Lmao

[balmy oyster]

This is fake

[little mauve]

It probably depends on when nocturnality becomes dominant in the synapsid-mammalian lineage. Some put that point in the Mesozoic with true mammals but one study suggests it may go back as far as the Permian and include many non-mammalian synapsids as well

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01109-6#ref-CR6 here's a good overview

[arctic crane]

The tlc inspired me to do more research on thalassodromeus. I didn't know it was an azhdarchoid. I really misjudged it

[lime eagle]

Yeah it was an obscure side quest

[full lagoon]

Most actual nature enthusiasts do not appreciate said content

[balmy oyster]

Well it was never meant to be a nature documentary

It’s a movie about dinosaurs versus the military. Sounds like a decent movie to watch when you’re bored and looking for something exciting

[full lagoon]

Is there literally any explanation to why the dinosaurs are even there?

[balmy oyster]

No but frankly who cares?

[ancient crystal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/imagination-BQUITFiYVtNte

[charred hearth]

maybe everything dosent need a explanation

[paper parcel]

slurpasaur moment

I wish they brought back slurpasaurs in dino movies, cgi sucks

Spore tribal stage👍

[full lagoon]

In certain aspects I'd argue yes

[vernal fable]

Imma just say we low-key kinda get off topic from Paleontology.

[jagged trellis]

man i like dinosaurs
does anyone have a chart of the bering straits changes over the last 800k years

[paper parcel]

Macrauchenia is peak mammal design

[vernal fable]

That's one funky looking mammal

[full lagoon]

Isn't this a slightly outdated reconstruction? I agree regardless.

[balmy oyster]

It sucks it doesn’t have a trunk anymore but it’s still pretty rad

[charred hearth]

whats y'alls thoughts on paleophis?

[balmy oyster]

Oh no the koala is here everyone scatter

[full lagoon]

It still had some what of a nasal extension though, right?

[vernal fable]

Giant Pool Noodle

[paper parcel]

Sleeping bag

[charred hearth]

so, i heard paleophis lived through the cretascous - into the early paleogene, is this true or false?

[ancient crystal]

The koala yet lurks in this channel

[deft sigil]

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[paper parcel]

Stegotetrabelodon, the four tusker.

[full lagoon]

I wonder what that was for?

[charred hearth]

digging through the dirt for stuff?

[full lagoon]

Looks like possible specialized feeding, yeah, kind of like platybelodon

[paper parcel]

also, the marsupial lion, the original, DROP BEAR

[queen oar]

if only it was a bit more accurate. ( About the Stegotetrabelodon )

[vernal fable]

I mean would Prehistoric Planets Thyla be considered a bit more accurate? ((In general I do like it's design alot))

[paper parcel]

Drop bear is real

[vernal fable]

However this did Scare me I can't remember what it was called-

[full lagoon]

Procoptodon

[vernal fable]

Yeye- just

The face has me cracking up so much each time I see it

[full lagoon]

Interestingly they were pretty much like that

[vernal fable]

Squished Kangaroo Faces

[paper parcel]

Pugaroo

[ashen wedge]

I believe it did have a trunk due to the cave art

Also, why are we acting like a trunk isn’t possible? Tapirs have trunks

Not everything has to be moose nose, until evidence comes out that 100% confirms or denies whether or not it had a trunk or a moose snoot, we are allowed for our opinions on the matter to be respected

[paper parcel]

Yeah, like stuff like this exists(opabinia)

[vocal rover]

How are we able to find fossils from Triassic animals? Aren't they so old the fossils would turn into coal by now?

[ashen wedge]

We found fossils from prior to The Golden Age of Insects (that was prior to the Permian)

[balmy oyster]

It was said to have a more tapir-like trunk, not no trunk at all

Edit: sorry no not tapir, more like pronghorn? I forgot the animal geah it was somethn like pronghorn

[vocal rover]

But bugs don't have bones?

[jagged trellis]

saiga

[vocal rover]

Unless you meant their shells or something

[balmy oyster]

Yes Saiga! Ty

[jagged trellis]

always

[ashen wedge]

Oh, phew, the tapir-like trunks makes sense, as Proghorn would be mainly just not that fun to think about especially when it comes to mammals, I mean we have mammals that are in the same species that looks not like each other

[vernal fable]

I think we have found Preserved Ticks that were around when dinosaurs were around

[tough parcel]

If you're /srs then coal is formed specifically by the bodies of plants/microbes, not any organism that matters

[ashen wedge]

Also aren’t some of their relatives included Tapirs?

[vocal rover]

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[ashen wedge]

Also, explain then why the cave paintings have it with a trunk, it makes no sense for the cavemen to draw it with one, if they were teaching younglings about what to hunt

[tough parcel]

Which cave paintings...?

[fluid inlet]

By the prophets koala is alive

[charred hearth]

OH MY GOD.

[balmy oyster]

Montanaspinus will rise again…

[charred hearth]

edmusthosaurus says otherwise....

[paper vigil]

is it real?

[charred hearth]

si

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-no-thinking-nope-skinner-gif-16471648

[outer tusk]

no but this is

[fluid inlet]

Big Paul teasing up something big

[paper parcel]

They gonna resurrect dinos with this one( or even better, synapsids)

[ancient crystal]

Watch it be an absolute nothing burger

[balmy oyster]

Another big year for spinosaurus

Nah fr though it’s probably gonna be news about schimitar. Gonna be exciting

[fluid inlet]

Why would Paul tease it for it to be a nothing burger lmao

[wind prairie]

hear me out can we stop calling it scimitar
lets call it unicorn

[fluid inlet]

Nah.

[wind prairie]

how about "horn which pierceth the tide" lmao??

[ancient crystal]

What about "monoceratops"

[arctic crane]

Spinosaurus news is an ill omen. Something big will happen in world events

[ashen nacelle]

better than the other unicorn

[balmy oyster]

Dude yes

[arctic crane]

So I'm out of the loop on this is it a new spinosaurid or is spino going to have another makeover?

[stiff osprey]

New spinosaurid

[hardy sentinel]

This is frying me

[polar rain]

I heard my friend say mosasaurus is a dinosaur now

[jagged trellis]

lizard:)

[shadow sleet]

Soooooo, North America spinosaur news or fake news?

[polar rain]

Apparently they found a non compressed skull with antorbital fenestra

[ashen nacelle]

what do yall think the horn is used for? (other then display)

[jagged trellis]

that does seem
off
did he provide a paper on it

[polar rain]

No

[stiff osprey]

Mosasaurus is a dinosaur while every single other mosasaur is a lizard trust

[jagged trellis]

he finally came out the closet as an archosaur, how nice
hollywood does that i guess

[fluid inlet]

Anything that’s a reptile is a dinosaur

[polar rain]

Yeah my friend has the worst takes

Its also that same guy I told yall about that loves goo chee eng btw

[lavish frigate]

Scimitar is more fun, unicorn is what everyone defaults to

[ashen nacelle]

let me remind you.

[jagged trellis]

looks like my uncle

[ashen nacelle]

I know right?

looks just like him.

[wind prairie]

what are you talking about
everyone calls it scimitar, I barely ever hear unicorn 🥀

[ashen nacelle]

its funnier to say I guess

[lofty creek]

which would be the (currently known) largest stegosaur of asia
Tuojiangosaurus, Wuerhosaurus or Yanbeilong?

[fluid inlet]

One of them

[balmy oyster]

I think wuerho

[snow python]

Wuerho

[plush fossil]

I'm the largest one actually

[frigid delta]

is 1 to 3 tons are still Megistotherium's most up-to-date weight?

[runic rover]

I'm waiting for news

[undone rapids]

Its a few hours away, will be a livestream on his insta

[runic rover]

Eh, working + No Instagram, I'll just patiently wait for people to deliver me news

[ionic linden]

that one

[runic heart]

Well I hope it’s good…

[runic heart]

Kinda want to see a Morrison formation documentary with a lot of conflicts between different species of sauropods. Would that not be cool?

[ancient crystal]

No, because all sauropods were super slow and friendly

I bet you could do a documentary where everytbing teams up to kill a big bad torvosaurus in the end. I bet that hasn't been done before.

[pallid heath]

Sweet mother of pearl

[full lagoon]

Is this a different type of spinosaurus or just a structure we haven't seen before?

[pallid heath]

I think it’s a new structure

[full lagoon]

Perhaps dimorphism or a subspecies

[pallid heath]

It may be a new species since papers are being published soon for it

[full lagoon]

I will say some skull aspects do look markedly distinct

[fossil ingot]

Its the new species
Which might not be Spino
But yeah its pfob a new spino species

Its a Cool guy

[full lagoon]

It's definitely a very interesting find and further insight into dinosaur diversity

[ancient crystal]

Remember everyone, subspecies don't exist in the field of paleontology

[full lagoon]

Fair enough honestly

[runic rover]

Such a sad thing spino TLC came before this

[ancient crystal]

They would've given spino some horrible piercing headbutt so I'm glad honestly

[full lagoon]

It'll probably become apparent somewhere, perhaps a mod

[runic rover]

I would totally have loved the crested variant

[tough parcel]

https://archosaurmusings.wordpress.com/2026/02/17/how-do-i-become-a-paleontologist/

[full lagoon]

According to the lengths on that chart the skull size is in-between suchomimus and our classic spinosaurus

[ancient crystal]

Genuinely thinking about taking a full extra year of undergrad just to get the geol minor I'd need to do paleontology

[true juniper]

Were megaraptorans adapted for speed?

[ancient crystal]

Specifically it would be a coastal geosciences minor, so that still might not be sufficient for most grad programs but its a difference between graduating at 22 and graduating at 26 so...

[runic rover]

I recall they were very fast indeed, but that was more from the hollow skeleton cutting their weight than from the actual speed adaptations...

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/chi8HvR7ruk?si=-Ug1tqFME2oPG4e9

[undone rapids]

They didn't have an arctometatarsus which is something we see in all of the more cursorial colerosaurs. So not really, but Its still hard to say due to how fragmentary megaraptorans are overall

[fossil ingot]

Why?

I don't want a Crested Sub.
And Tbf, this is a New Species

[stiff osprey]

Meanwhile pycno sub species literally being a different genus

[ashen wedge]

What did I miss? Can someone summarize?

[stiff osprey]

New spino dropping today

[runic heart]

Nothing yet

[runic heart]

And possibly something about the whole group?

[ashen wedge]

Another species of Spinosaurus? Or another member of the family like Irritator and Baryonyx?

[stiff osprey]

It's a spinosaurine, whether Spinosaurus genus or a new one we dont know

[fossil ingot]

This guy is prob dropping

It jaws cool

[undone rapids]

I think its just about a new dino joining the family

[runic rover]

1. you don't HAVE to, but if you feel forced to pick something you hate go with it. You literally have 2x other subs for that.

2. ah right, as if Titan didn't have a "Giga" sub, rex didn't have a "Tarbo" or Styraco wasn't literally shaped after 3 dinosaurs. Yes subs is wrong name but that's what they are called in the game instead of variants.

Well it's not even a discussion since it's not happening

[open compass]

At least we got a spino sub with longer crest

[runic rover]

Does this brings to something else or is it just pointing at "scimitar"?

[runic heart]

Idk

[fossil ingot]

Tarbo subs looks nothing like Tarbo
Its Tarbo by Name
And Titan having a Giga sub that is more by name then appearence as well

[neat plover]

Nah I’d say the tarbo sub looks like the actual thing compared to the real Rex sub

It’s visibly far more lean

[fossil ingot]

And Tarbo is the opposite of Lean
Specially Skull wise

[neat plover]

The opposite of lean?

[fossil ingot]

Tarbo doesn't seem to be Proportionally thinner than the average Rex
It probably looks "Thin" Compared to Sue but like
Its Sue.
Tarbo also has a Skull thats Wider Proportionally than Rex

Tarbo having a "thin" Skull comes from an Inmature Specimen with a Crushed Skull

[neat plover]

Since when was tarbos skull wider than Rex

[fossil ingot]

Always.
Thin Tarbo Skull comes from an Inmature Specimen with a crushed Skull
Last is a Drawing of the Dorsal adapted from the Skull done by BataarProductions tho I call him Tarbo guy

Ignore "Juvie" Rex on the first pic
Proportionally Tarbo's Skull is slightly wider

[neat plover]

Hm u learn smth new everyday

Also icl wouldn’t it have been cool if the sanguis sub was replaced with mcraeensis

[undone rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1QAVYa3JWM

[fossil ingot]

PEAK

Weird ah name

Paper drops in about 48 mins if we follow Sereno's Insta atkeast

[runic rover]

Wdym it's beautiful

[fossil ingot]

Is smth like
Wonderful Spined Lizard or smth
Idk

[fluid inlet]

Nah it’s cool lmao

[runic heart]

It’s Spinosaurus? Thought it’d be a different genus (probably is).

[fossil ingot]

Its seems to just be a New Spino species
Called Mirabilis

[runic heart]

Still betting it’s gonna be classified as its own genus at some point

[tough parcel]

On what grounds...

[runic rover]

Hope not, yes, by totally bias of mine.

[charred hearth]

is this true?

[undone rapids]

vibes

[tough parcel]

This feels like a joke so Ima assume not but also I don't care enough to look up the heights of all Red Velvet members then compare it to known Paraceratherium sizes

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/um-who-is-that-charlie-pim-smiling-friends-tell-who-that-person-is-gif-10144487375295317241

[charred hearth]

paraceratherium is the largest terrestrial mammal

[paper parcel]

paraceratherium is actually the size of argentinosaurus/jk but I prefer paleoloxodon namadicus more

[runic heart]

Trust me bro

[stiff osprey]

I think the biggest paracer is probably more than 8 meters long but not all paracers were that big so

[fossil ingot]

https://www.popsci.com/science/new-horned-dinosaur-sahara/

[ionic crescent]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adx5486

[fair dome]

damn you beat me to it

[tulip dove]

False
They would NOT get along with each other... (Homie told me)

[hazy ferry]

Is there new spinosaurus news? Did we find out that it was actually limbless and blind?

[fierce quarry]

So, new Spino species or new genus ?

[tough parcel]

"Spinosaurus mirabilis" makes me think it's a new species!

[fossil ingot]

The 3 specimens are seemingly sub adult

[barren drum]

the spino paper goes hard

[charred hearth]

how big are the new specimens?

[fossil ingot]

Should be scaled to the biggest of the 3
So not that big

[ionic crescent]

8 meters the holotype

S. mirabilis with skeletal length of ~8 m scaled to the size of the subadult holotype (MNBH JEN1)

[arctic crane]

https://youtu.be/_HlsB3dn7sk?si=LsBU9aCS_KqKGEzF

[smoky arrow]

Hes the side by side of mirabillis and aegypticaus

Mirabillis got ARMS like holy

Closest thing we have to JP spino irl

[runic heart]

It actually has longer legs 💀

[charred hearth]

do we know its weight? right now im imagining it as the same weight as sucho

[smoky arrow]

If a spinosaurus mirabillis was the same size as a aegypticaus and they fought mira would EASILY win like holy

[smoky arrow]

I imagine a little heavier than sucho

[smoky arrow]

Ehhhh ok maybe not

[fossil ingot]

Sucho dwarfs it
So Doubt it

[smoky arrow]

Sucho dosnt DWARF it its just slightly larger physically but who knows weight? Spinosaurus itself is already notorious for its exceptionally heavy bones

[true juniper]

Look at those arms

[distant ore]

It's a sub adult, very likely at most it was Sucho sized

[true juniper]

It's femur looks so small in the skeletal, I think it's almost smaller than the human femur

[fossil ingot]

"Slightly larger"
Its 4m Longer and decent Bit Taller
Sucho is +5t
This Guy is 2-3t at Best

Having 1.05 density at most is not adding enough Weight to make it match Sucho

[charred hearth]

what is that

[true juniper]

Bros crest tilts to the side🥀

[hushed fossil]

An rpg horse-rhino thing

[fluid inlet]

So metal

[charred hearth]

i think you mispelled horror

[hushed fossil]

Wait what did I miss about Spino

[runic heart]

How big is it?

[charred hearth]

2 - 3 tons

[runic heart]

Length? And height?

[fossil ingot]

8m

[fluid inlet]

Cuz someone from discord told u that? Lol

[waxen raptor]

That’s so light what

[runic heart]

Interesting. Did it live alongside its larger counterparts, or was there niche overlap?

[ionic crescent]

The mighty crocoturkey strikes again

[hushed fossil]

I came at a bad time for this I think. But what happened, Spino news?

[fluid inlet]

Read buddy. New spinosaurid species

[waxen raptor]

New smaller subspecies it seems

Also it’s a unicorn

[craggy trench]

not a subspecies
another species itself

[ancient crystal]

They say its around the same size as aegyptiacus so I doubt that

[hushed fossil]

Thank you

[fluid inlet]

Looks too little to be as big as aegypt but somewhere a little under

[charred hearth]

why am i getting jumped when srmuis said it first 😭

[waxen raptor]

So relatively suchomimus sized? Maybe slightly smaller?

[ancient crystal]

I just saw a screenshot from the paper that says explicitly, its something like 61% without going back to search for the image

So not as big, but certainly not as low as 2-3 tons

[fluid inlet]

I agree with you.

[charred hearth]

😡

[fossil ingot]

Its 8m
Bro is shorter than Baryonyx
Prob as heavy due to its body type but who knows
Hasn't beedn GDI or anything

[craggy trench]

the material is a sub adult so not that shocking

[runic heart]

And this is a sub-adult?

[fluid inlet]

So weird tho, not in a bad way but that crest is so damn random.

[fossil ingot]

The Largest Specimen is the Holotype and is 8m
Which is about 15% smaller than the Neotype of Spino
However they are subadults like Spino Neotype so

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[fossil ingot]

Adults are Prob the Size of Suchomimus
Give or Take

[arctic crane]

A lot of spinosaurids have forehead crests Mirabilis is just extra

[runic heart]

Wouldn’t an adult still be smaller than a Sucho?

[fluid inlet]

Yeah nothing as exaggerated tho lol , like I wonder if it was used for anything else besides courtship

[fossil ingot]

Who knows
We don't

[ancient crystal]

Clearly the sail and crest were connected as seen it its very close relative Parasaurolophus

[arctic crane]

There was a study a while back about dinosaur crests helping with distributing skull pressure to increase bite force. But honestly its most likely for display getting laid is very important to a species

[wicked shell]

GUUUUUUUUYS

WOW

[ancient crystal]

"New Spinosaurus species represents a juvenile form of S. aegyptiacus whose crest was slowly absorbed into the skull as it grew" - Horner and Paul 2026

[craggy trench]

thats what toro did so
its gotta be true

[bitter quest]

[fluid inlet]

Is there a gap in the timeline between the new spino and spino ageypt

[arctic crane]

"But what if mirabilis is a male and aegyptiacus was a female?" I'm surprised I haven't seen that yet

[ancient crystal]

Not that I read

[ionic linden]

yeah, what if that was the case? 🤔

[ancient crystal]

They describe the structural differences in the crests which seem to go beyond potential dimorphism. Of course ignoring the other morphological differences.

[arctic crane]

I figured. But whenever new spino lore drops you gotta be prepared for everything

[craggy trench]

oh i have
its out there

[arctic crane]

I'm too scared to check Paleo twitter right now

[ancient crystal]

Not really. This isn't 2001 anymore, there won't be anymore extraordinary upheavals of aegyptiacus and beyond that we shouldn't act like animals in the same genus don't vary wildly in form and function.

[pure grove]

A new spinosaurus

[tender dove]

Panthera

[arctic crane]

I know that and you know that. But I can already hear people asking if it's "been nerfed again"

[ancient crystal]

Those people have no intention of actually interacting with anything paleo-related beyond the childish AvA they saw in picture books when they were toddlers. I would mostly ignore them.

[sterile trail]

Spino fans stay winning

[fluid inlet]

We never lost not even in movies

[sterile trail]

I can't stop winning!

[ancient crystal]

I think y'all lost with monster's resurrected, I wouldn't be too proud of that kind of representation in media

[arctic crane]

Bro is just a handful of bones, but that's very impressive for a spinosaurid

[sterile trail]

. . . One hiccup

[ionic linden]

two hiccups

[arctic crane]

I forgot about monsters resurrected. How dare you remind me

[warped peak]

I'm 90% sure we will see this split into a new genus

Basically every single piece of material is different to Aegyptiacus

[ancient crystal]

Which in life wouldn't mean these animals aren't the same genus but this is in death

[hallow sedge]

thats quite a small paddle tail

[ancient crystal]

Quick someone drop the bones during transit and see if there's some soft tissue in them!

[fluid inlet]

If it gots a sail it’s the same thing as spinosaurus agypt idc if it’s Dimetrodon it’s spinosaurus too.

[ancient crystal]

No its average sized, perfectly normal

[arctic crane]

Bro just got discovered and you're already bullying him

[pure grove]

How large is this one

[fluid inlet]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRuWww-MFjSIZfgA1O6cm1JjguGYyCp3mszLRi5KnAKzr_ntvceFvx0R_O2ImOv8UfalUGUkaTCoByKpV7aW5orEZnzGbGFAdA9bqKk5xM&s=10 original spinosaurus

[hallow sedge]

lmao

[ancient crystal]

Keep in mind the aegyptiacus here is scaled to the largest known specimen, and non of the mirabilis specimens are adults

[hallow sedge]

Dimetrodon was my original love but Spino is just better

[fossil ingot]

Its uses old Sereno's Scan Spino's Tail
So its missing a few caudals

[fluid inlet]

Nothing is better than original.

[fossil ingot]

8m for the largest/holotype

[arctic crane]

Handsome animal honestly

Is there a time gap between mirabilis and aegyptiacus or are they contemporary?

[ancient crystal]

Contemporary I believe

Somewhere at the beginning it says so

[fluid inlet]

bahariya formation had no reason being this dangerous

[tender dove]

Have you ever been to Florida? You have alligators, pumas, and crocodiles, and then on top of that you have tegus and pythons, so Florida isn't as safe as it seems, though it depends on when and where you go of course

[fluid inlet]

Now tell me how many of these things are native to Florida buddy

[tender dove]

Pumas, alligators and crocodiles are, but pythons and tegus aren't

[fluid inlet]

Yeah not a lot.

[ancient crystal]

I mean florida is a pretty dangerous place, though not as dangerous now as it was when it was mostly unsettle-able swampland

[tough parcel]

Tbf it should also be known humans have kinda sterilized every ecosystem

[ionic linden]

SPINOSAURUS PAXILLUS FROM PATH OF TITANS!!!!! /silly

[ancient crystal]

And by unsettle-able I mean colonists were practically eaten alive by mosquitoes

[runic rover]

Checking Twitter in general is a bad idea on average

[jovial tapir]

New Spino subspecie

[pure grove]

It’s femur is pretty small compared to the rest of the leg

[proud nova]

Pls add it to pot

[arctic crane]

Paul Serreno is live on Instagram talking about the new spino for anyone interested

[arctic crane]

Good news spino is already in PoT

[autumn crescent]

NEW SPINO SPECIES DESCRIBED WTTTFFF

[ancient crystal]

Congratulations! You are the first person to use the correct terminology when talking about the new spino! Here's a gold star ⭐

[tough parcel]

New subspecies for Spinosaurus just dropped

[charred hearth]

new genus for spinosaurus just dropped

[autumn crescent]

Wdym ?

[cloud breach]

Its a POT server bruh

[frosty compass]

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[queen oar]

does anyone have a ventral vew of the premaxilla of that supposed new Spinosaurus species?

[ancient crystal]

You didn't use the word subspecies

[frosty compass]

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[arctic crane]

Did mirabilis have longer legs?

[ancient crystal]

Giga needs more than one specimen and a chin first

[frosty compass]

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[tough parcel]

It had proportionately longer legs than the neotype, yes

[proud nova]

I meant the species but ok

[frosty compass]

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[proud nova]

Lol

[ancient crystal]

Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[charred hearth]

( original by @LiterallyMiguel )

[arctic crane]

Gotcha here you go

[queen oar]

Do we legit don't have a ventral view of the premaxilla?

[lucid gyro]

i believe mirabilis comes after aegypticus and nears the end to the spinosaurus species?

[frosty compass]

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[proud nova]

Lol

[craggy trench]

they are contemporary iirc
at least with the neotype

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, they are. The paper just describes the development into the spinosaurus body-plan as the final stage of their radiation before they all keeled over

[arctic crane]

If mirabilis had longer legs than aegyptiacus thats a pretty major difference

[frosty compass]

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[trim bluff]

Question: how did we find out S. mirabilis is an entirely new species and not sexual dimorphism?

[frosty compass]

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[proud nova]

Theyve got a point here

[ancient crystal]

The crest is completely structurally different beyond just shape and form

[queen oar]

It's not a Spinosaurus.

[craggy trench]

mirabilis is far inland

[lucid gyro]

i assume because it was more inland

[frosty compass]

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[warped peak]

Admittedly it would make a lot of sense to split into more terrestrial and more aquatic morphs

[proud nova]

Ummm…..

[foggy river]

are you offering to pay for it? thats so generous

[queen oar]

Spinosaurus has three pairs of teeth on the anterior section of the premaxilla, with the first pair being very reduced. On this new species, it only has two pairs at the anterior section, lacking the first pair seem on Spinosaurus entirely.

[charred hearth]

can someone translate this paleo thing for me?

[proud nova]

I would only pay for pteranodon to get addrd if it was possible

[ancient crystal]

Perhaps this is why it died!

[tough parcel]

Spinosaurus mirabilis exploded upon moving too far inland, this is why it is so fragmentary

[frosty compass]

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[foggy river]

are tooth counts always generic-level autapomorphies? i gen dunno

[proud nova]

Lol this ones funny

[fossil ingot]

Spinosaurus Mirabilis...

[foggy river]

cant belivee they didnt even look at the teeth, why didnt they have paleontologists look at the fossil smh

[fossil ingot]

Leg Proportions, Skull Differences, location, etc

[ancient crystal]

No, not at all. But paleontology is heavily limited in identifying species/genre through having to rely soley on morphological differences, so genre get named for very little compared to living animals

[frosty compass]

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[arctic crane]

"Terror in the Prehistoric Cerrado"
"The terror in the Cerrado today"

[foggy river]

so having a different number of teeth is not in fact a definite reason for it to not be spinosaurus 🤔 wild

[ancient crystal]

Which doesn't mean its the same as the type species ofc

[charred hearth]

is it about enviormental destruction

[foggy river]

ofc
it just threw me off cause like, i assumed a claim made directly would be based on sth definite

[queen oar]

I mean, if what I heard it's true, and it's a contemporary species to S. aegyptiacus, it shouldn't have lost that first pair completely. If anything, the only other derived Spinosaur that lacks that first pair of teeth... It's Oxalaia.

[arctic crane]

Probably

[tough parcel]

It does

Well, it discounts it from being S. aegyptiacus! Or whatever the snout tips belong to

I hate this slow mode

[craggy trench]

we all must suffer in slow mode

[frosty compass]

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[foggy river]

yeah im talking about spino or not, not S. aegy
what would that loss of pair not happening be based on? /gen
like, i see your point, but it seems odd that the people studying the teeth would hav completely ignored that possibility. Not that the publication is always perfect, but i find it highly unlikely someone on discord knows it for certain and the publishers and reviewers just forgot

[tough parcel]

Nanotyrannus.

Basically tooth count is solidified early on in development (embyronic stage type stuff) and is not really variable beyond like...1 or 2

[queen oar]

Wouldn't really know. My guess would be that it's not considered as important, even though, you as a species or genera don't loose or gain teeth, unless something about how you eat or what you eat has changed.

[foggy river]

if you wouldn't really know, why would you claim it as fact? maybe im missing something im just tryna understand

Also ye, i do know nano was in part based on that and it makes sense
but its kind weird to me if they just went lalalalalal here
are there any other dino genera that arent stupid that share different tooth counts

[tough parcel]

I already pinged Random elsewhere so I would feel mean doing so but Allosaurus might though that is also stupid so maybe we should all just give up

[queen oar]

Fair. Really don't have anything to object or add.

[arctic crane]

Tyrannosaurus rex vs spinosaurus aegyptiacus is tired

Get ready for nanotyrannus lethaeus vsSpinosaurus Mirabilis

[outer tusk]

loving that kitty pfp

[pliant cedar]

spinosaurus dropped

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/justice-league-crisis-on-two-earths-crisis-on-two-earths-dc-2521-yearn-crime-syndicate-gif-16146135219334184834

[trim bluff]

S. mirabilis probably takes it honestly

[foggy river]

im all for weird ideas, lord knows i have plenty and sereno has had some weird calls
im just big on communication stuff lol

also yeah dont have to double ping random LOL im still curious abt it but the next few days i can prolly learn more

[ancient crystal]

Unless you're a shark, shoutout to the 6 plus tooth count variation in Sandbar sharks

[pliant cedar]

coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb

[tough parcel]

I think the most amusing part is there's nothing stopping S. aegyptiacus from having a giant crest

And yea, that's cause they are sharks and need a dentist

[foggy river]

unless S. aegyptiacus are all girls... woman dinosaur...

[arctic crane]

Come on nano is powerful for sure but a hydrogen bomb is a bit much

[ionic crescent]

Sexual dimorphism I'd say

Now I only see em as big guinea fowls aggressively head bobbing and bokking after some gal /jk

[foggy river]

what if all species level distinction are sexual dimorphism...

[tough parcel]

I mean sure but S. aegyptiacus has a broken crest, there's literally no proof it did or did not have a giant crest but the default assumption should be it did

[craggy trench]

back to the mines for you

[pliant cedar]

what if yutyrannus is just the male morph for velociraptor 🤔 🤔

[brittle comet]

Once again I come here... To remember this little guy.
Maranhão -Brazil

[foggy river]

tigers are just girl lions...
it all makes sense

[tough parcel]

Shout-out to the potential juvenile Yutyrannus the Guiness Book of World Records labeled as "World's Largest Sinosauropteryx"

[foggy river]

wait did it actually cause thats wild lmfao

[pliant cedar]

what if titanosaurs just had crazy big females and alll the large species are just sexual dimorphism 🤔

[tough parcel]

Now THIS is sci-comm

[foggy river]

... i hate it here

[ionic crescent]

Even if broken, obviously until we find a more complete skull, it's likely that crest shapes had ton of different variations

Regarding mirabilis, Guinea fowl casques actually may have surprisingly weird shapes, from smooth and flat to even somewhat spiral sometimes (hilarious shapes)

Ngl, a somewhat rotated casque mirabilis would be fun to watch

[arctic crane]

Yes I believe they make this point in the paper

[ionic crescent]

In fact one of em specimens have slightly tilted to sides crest, which is funny from the front view

[winter marsh]

Spino on ss4 form

[ionic crescent]

AND THIS IS TO GO FURTHER BEYOND

-Patch Rollbacks
-Now can swim again (somewhat)

[tender dove]

Is it just me or do the devs on Path of Titans favor more genera that were dense forest inhabitants compared to Beasts of Bermuda, or The Isle? From seeing the genera on The Isle, Beasts of Bermuda, and Path of Titans, and what genera will be added in the future, it seems to me like Path of Titans is the better game in regard to dense forest inhabitants

[pallid heath]

Mirabilis is definitely gonna be Bonus of a new tlc for spinosaurus

[arctic crane]

That's too op you can't swim and catch fish. This is a slip and drown world

[winter marsh]

W devs, kinda felt like it was underpowered without its swimming abilities

[ionic crescent]

Next balance patch is being able to shoot the casque at will

[winter marsh]

Reminds me of that one pachy meme where it just shoots its child through the dome

[pallid heath]

People who believe in terrestrial spinosaurus should be ashamed of themselves

Spinosaurus doesn’t even look remotely terrestrial with those legs

[winter marsh]

Next paper boutta be about how Spino was a quadruped and slithered through the lands like a big crocodile with the evidence being that one trail and their arguments for the front limbs npt being shown up is Spino having soft tissue in its hands that allow it to cushion its weight and throw punches at Mach 6

[ancient crystal]

The new species was found inland

Either way I don't believe anyone is seriously considered spino as a fully terrestrial predator.

[winter marsh]

I believe most fossils of marine life are too so that argument is kinda out of the way

[ancient crystal]

I doubt they would put emphasis on where it was found if it wasn't in reference to the location as it would have been in life

[pallid heath]

Most likely a wader similar to aegiypticus but most likely not anything close to a land predator

[winter marsh]

Nah spinosaurus had a crushing bite and the ability to stalk its prey Sarcosuchus for months

[arctic crane]

Incredible Paleoart of Spinosaurus Mirabilis

[winter marsh]

This should be in a movie... so pretty

[serene sedge]

Spinosaurus was likely an opportunistic hunter of small animals that specified mostly on fish, spinosaurs could and did feed on other animals aside from fish like small dinosaurs and pterosaurs as seen in Irritator. They fed like herons/pelicans and likely had a wide diet like them, big arms and a long neck and jaws built for snagging fish could be just as effective at opening a burrow and sticking their snout in to grab prey.

[winter marsh]

Herons themselves dont just eat fish. They also eat frogs, lizards, small rodents and even snakes (I also think they can sometimes eat small birds but idk about that one). Idk why people would even think Spinosaurus was only a piscivore

[pallid heath]

Spinosaurids are just reptilian storks

[arctic crane]

So I guess aegyptiacus might have been more estuarine while s mirabilis preferred inland freash water freash water

[winter marsh]

Basically. The most striking resemblance is their amazing ability to fly

[tender dove]

Like a kelp raft

[winter marsh]

When they had to poop the creatures belpw had to pray

[pallid heath]

We are crapping out art reconstructions of Mirabilis already? I better start, I gotta stay hip with the kids!

[winter marsh]

Because we only care about popular dinosaurs and not Haolong the GOAT of 2026

[runic rover]

Sometimes in here people make too much irony and I cannot understand if this is a joke or not.

But if it is. I'm not surprised nor impressed.

[molten elbow]

WE NEED S. MIRABILIS IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW

[runic rover]

I WANT IT TOO. JUST CHANGE A SINGLE SPECIES

[molten elbow]

@runic rover It can be an INCREDIBLE replacement for the Paxilius species!

[halcyon rampart]

im so glad others have seen the spinosaurus mirabilis paper!!!! what a cool animal!!!!!

[pallid heath]

Staying hip with the paleo kids

I may have made him too colorful for a spinosaurid but that’s okay

[dim rune]

not colorful enough, where is the neon pink?

[autumn crescent]

I mean we have no clue of its colors so even a bright pink spino would technically be accurate

[pallid heath]

I usually give spinosaurids grey or brown countershading colors like a shark

[bleak rose]

Folks! I just got the news from our new guy Mirabilis. Do any of you know where i can see the fossils they found of it? I am soooo excited for this new discovery and i kinda want to understand what did they use to reconstruct it

[autumn crescent]

Even tho, ofc natural selection etc would make a big disadvantage to a bright pink animal and is probably wrong but who knows

[autumn crescent]

#paleontology message

[bleak rose]

I mean...

All of those birds with wacky mating rituals may beg to difer

[ancient crystal]

Mirabilis fossils are in blue, its a composite of three specimens found in Niger

It was reconstructed otherwise using spinosaurus aegyptiacus and I believe Irritator

[autumn crescent]

I was thinking of this but, small bird can fly and catch insects, giant pink spino can’t hide and ambush fish

[arctic crane]

They can fly though, and most birds of prey have earthy colors for camouflage

[bleak rose]

You are absolutely right on that. In this case i just wanted to joke around, but i still like these observations

Talking about sexual dimorphism: i wonder if the crest was bigger or exclusive on males 🤔

[pallid heath]

Pink is actually one of the hardest colors to see underwater if anything it’s actually advanced at ambushing fish

[bleak rose]

Wait, so...

Blue are the fossiles belonging to Mirabilis, and the rest are from other spinosaurids?

[arctic crane]

But just because some birds have more earthy colors or dark colors doesn't mean they can't still have beautiful patterns

[pallid heath]

Infact lots of fish in the deep sea or murky waters sport a bright pinkish red hue so predators cannot see them

[ancient crystal]

Inferred from other animals.

So like the fragments of the leg bones might speak to differing proportions than other animals (and they indeed do) but those other animals were still used to reconstruct a general idea of the shape of those bones

[arctic crane]

Some species of crocodilians have very interesting patterns to break up their outline but they still very pretty

[bleak rose]

That is really insane

All of this deal of how to reconstruct a new species using fragmentary fossils and the anatomy of other animals is something i still struggle to wrap my head around. But it's so cool

[pallid heath]

You should see a alligator that lives in iron oxide rich water

[autumn crescent]

It’s very speculative tho, but that’s how science works, you try something, and you try to prove it, now we need more fossils to prove what it would exactly look like, and even with a complete fossil we still wouldn’t be able to know what it would exactly look like, but with a lot of studying and comparisons with modern animals we could have a pretty good and accurate model of this specie just like we have with psittacosaurus and few other dinosaurs

[arctic crane]

Maybe if spinosaurus had feathers and ate shrimp it could have a pinkish or red colored feathers

[pallid heath]

what shrimp lived in the Cretaceous?

[bleak rose]

That is so cool

[bleak rose]

I see

This is awesome

[arctic crane]

Shrimp are eternal. Time is meaningless to such divine creatures

[pallid heath]

I wonder if their crest had a mini sail on it

Sailed crests are so 1940s but it’s not fully implausible

[autumn crescent]

Drew a new spino mirabilis

I just realized it looks like he is watching the other drawing but I just didn’t realized how much space this one would take 😭

[ashen wedge]

Wait new spino dropped?

[autumn crescent]

Yea, it’s a new specie, so aegyptyacus is still accurate but there is a new specie a bit different with a bigger crest

[ashen wedge]

Did it exist before or after Classic Spino? (In life not in discovery)

[north ember]

@ashen wedge @autumn crescent I was literally just reading this article

[topaz shell]

So we got a new Spinosaurus species, cool

[undone rapids]

https://youtu.be/_HlsB3dn7sk?si=EJ7x2qU_P3cIJ2pP

Interview with the Author

[topaz shell]

Doesn’t it have the longest crest of any non-avian dinosaur?

[ashen wedge]

May I present to you the Parasauralophus

[topaz shell]

Forgot about that guy

[pallid heath]

Come back when you have a sail in that crest

[ashen wedge]

What?

[pallid heath]

https://tenor.com/view/a-sagração-da-primavera-eating-le-sacre-du-printemps-the-rite-of-spring-igor-stravinsky-gif-11694531

[topaz shell]

Do we even have the size of mirabilis, like an estimate

[full lagoon]

In between suchomimus and S. Aegypticus I think

[pallid heath]

This is the parasaurolophus we prefer here.. got it?

[ashen wedge]

Uhm… I don’t think you should project your own views onto the chat’s views

[pallid heath]

It’s a joke 😕

[ashen wedge]

Hard to tell, when people in the past have done something similar to this

[arctic crane]

Mirabilis isn't fully grown and this is compared to the largest aegyptiacus specimens

[queen oar]

Do you think mirabilis smokes?

[ashen wedge]

So…. Not any chance it will be competing on the T-Rex for heaviest theropod

[queen oar]

We need to find a robust Spinosaur

[arctic crane]

Idk maybe it was very fat

[ashen wedge]

Go find it, cause I wanna find more spinosauruses

[full lagoon]

It's awesome regardless of size imo, and it's unrealistic to compare it to rex

[ashen wedge]

I know, I am Rex Fanboy, but I want to find some new competitors for the mega theropod top spot

[full lagoon]

Lmfao

[arctic crane]

Large and in charge

[queen oar]

is this also fat?

[pallid heath]

I found a new one spinosaurus googlius

[full lagoon]

The belly is kind of big but otherwise probably not

[full lagoon]

Ts is getting out of hand

[drifting condor]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VHSYFgC7fqs?si=wKhwufZCcTKw8G4f

My new favorite spinosaur even though i know nothing about it

[prisma hawk]

Hold the phone… what?

[ionic linden]

chonky

[bright sluice]

How do we know the mirabilis was in the genus spinosaurus?

[arctic crane]

It's very likely to be.

[bright sluice]

I dont get that sentence

[arctic crane]

It lived at the same time and more or less the same place and looked very similar. So it's very likely to be a species of spinosaurus it possible for it to be a different spinosaurid though just unlikely

[balmy oyster]

Well it’s definitely not aegyptiacus and the paper makes it clear it’s different

But still definitely a spinosaurus

[scenic flame]

these really aren't criteria for identifying a species/genus

[paper parcel]

I wonder if cats could survive the mesozoic?

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-animal-saber-toothed-cat-saber-tooth-roar-wild-animal-gif-17286099

[drifting condor]

Like house cats?

[plush fossil]

I think it would depend

[ancient crystal]

Not sure if anyone answered, but they were contemporary

[ashen wedge]

Any chance they are just male and female classic Spino?

[ancient crystal]

Don't think so

[stiff osprey]

bigcrest is so far only found in the Farak formation, where no aegyptiacus specimens have been found

[sand thorn]

https://youtu.be/VxdIJ-_kN1E?si=t-o8hXK_IO_B7He6

[plush fossil]

On the topic of spinosaurids, what's the earliest known one?

[runic heart]

So we still don’t have Spinosaurus arms at all???

[stiff osprey]

We have a bunch of isolated arm bones. No complete arm

[ashen wedge]

Ah, understood

[paper parcel]

Panthers and felids(big cats and small cats

[ashen wedge]

Yes, I believe that some species will survive, and others will die off

[paper parcel]

Cats destroying early birds and thus preventing birds from surviving the kto mass extinction

[ashen wedge]

But counter to that, dinosaurs will see cats as snacks, especially young cats, and will prevent them from having too much of a stable population

[paper parcel]

Cats can climb though and are pretty fast, only issue is slower reproductive rates

[fluid inlet]

any idea how tall the human is in the comparison

[lavish frigate]

I hope the new spinosaurus species can distract all the heron people so I can have aegyptiacus all to my semi aquatic self

[silent condor]

We should get new paleobotany species tbh they are lacking.

[ashen wedge]

Any chance for Draco, Stygi and Pachy being separate?

[craggy trench]

draco is lost most liekly
stgyi has a chance since its found in older rock layers than pachy

[ancient crystal]

Human height

[fluid inlet]

But as short as u or as tall as me

[coral forge]

170cm
says in the text for the figure

[paper parcel]

I hope spinosaurus is found out to be a four legged theropod who can't actually walk on 2 legs on land

[fluid inlet]

oh so short puny little man

[coral forge]

taller than the average human globally

[fluid inlet]

5'5 is short asf lmao

[paper parcel]

Speaking of short

[coral forge]

the average height if you combine both sexes from all populations is like 167cm

[fluid inlet]

tall as magnapaulia laticadus jr

[arctic crane]

Good old vividen. If course he drops a video day of when is a theropod

https://youtu.be/VxdIJ-_kN1E?si=H-JYaRr5fViuwL-f

[paper parcel]

I can't believe big paleo keeps covering this up

[ancient crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1161631515436920903/1338630595697180702/image0.gif

[arctic crane]

I hope Nizar Ibrahim is happy with what he's brought into this cruel world

[smoky arrow]

Not possible

[ashen wedge]

Big Paleo is hiding the fact that we evolved from Dogs

[smoky arrow]

If they were the same size theyd look like this THEY ARE NOT THIS SIZE but look how different it looks especially porportionally

That and the places of discovery for both species dont line up for just the opposite gender

[ashen wedge]

Granted we know about sexual dimorphism

[arctic crane]

Mirabilis out here with the legs that go all the way up

[fluid inlet]

It’s such a beautiful spinosaurid

[smoky arrow]

When in any species have females and males been segregated

that isnt human

[ancient crystal]

Porbeagles

[ashen wedge]

Sharks, Angler Fish, and more

[fluid inlet]

I’m actually impressed they didn’t take real longer to release the paper neither.

[smoky arrow]

I mean like TRUE seperation in specific areas of a place where they dont mix ever

[regal crescent]

Guys the paxillus subspecies kinda looks like new spinosaurus

Yet another alderon spoon prediction?????? jkjk

In all seriousness this is really cool and I’m excited to see how it turns out

[ancient crystal]

I don't think we can infer that from fossil beds when fossilization is such a low chance anyway

[ashen wedge]

The men’s and women’s restrooms

[arctic crane]

Can't say there was no overlap but aegyptiacus seems to have preferred the coasts and estuaries while mirabilis lived further inland

[smoky arrow]

They are 100% different species

[ancient crystal]

That was clear from the teeth alone

[regal crescent]

Yeah even the skull structure is vastly different

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I was going to mention that scimitar head looks more equipped for land.

[queen oar]

What if we did a Hadrosaur business?

[fluid inlet]

What

[queen oar]

Yeah, we sell trained Hadrosaurs

[ashen wedge]

For what?

[queen oar]

...I don't know

[arctic crane]

How different are the teeth?

[ancient crystal]

Different tooth counts and spacing in the jaw

[arctic crane]

But the same tooth morphology then? I was wondering if mirabilis was slightly more terrestrial given it's longer kegs

[ashen wedge]

Any chances we can find proof that Saurophaganax can keep its OG name?

[arctic crane]

What happened to it being called allosaurus Maximus?

[craggy trench]

its allo anax now

[compact leaf]

there isn’t really much to indicate it’s much more terrestrial

[arctic crane]

Seems so, that's why I was asking about the teeth

[ancient crystal]

Its pretty cut and dry that sauro is a sauropod now

[ashen wedge]

It betrayed its own name….

[ashen wedge]

It’s now Allosaurus Anax (King)

[ancient crystal]

It was a jigsaw puzzle put together wrong it didn't betray anything

[arctic crane]

I hope that's how I fossilize

[smoky arrow]

Yall think mira or aegy had a stronger bite? Like proportionally

[paper parcel]

Miragaia?

[drifting condor]

All of them?
Thats all lot but i think a handful could thrive but depends where they're put

[smoky arrow]

Mirabillis

[arctic crane]

Ooh lol I thought you were comparing miragaia to argentavis lol that makes a lot more sense

[tired orchid]

There’s a video by the YouTuber Pacozoico, who was part of the expedition, where they say it lived in areas near water like rivers. The thing is, those areas were further inland, and it’s generally accepted that Spinos were coastal rather than fully aquatic.

Unicorns are real

This dinosaur lived near inland rivers, which supports the hypothesis that these animals were predators that walked and fished in shallow waters, more similar to wading birds than to deep swimmers.

[ashen wedge]

It was suppose to be the Lord of the Lizard Eaters not Lord of the Tree Eaters

[hallow spear]

I mean.. you can literally do the math and find out upscale them to the same length and you’ll find out which is stronger

[compact leaf]

the paper data itself shows them as closer to divers than waders (they just don’t say that in the paper for some reason)

[ancient crystal]

I mean, they were in their own sort of group, suggesting some intermediate lifestyle

Though I didn't really look at their methods too much for that and should probably reread the paper tomorrow

Though, yeah, their conclusions are a bit contradictory to their results

[compact leaf]

they’re definitely intermediary but spinosaurus itself leans towards divers, it was definitely doing something interesting while foraging

[craggy trench]

he used a spear gun

[tender vapor]

Idk about that 😐

[smoky arrow]

They are ONE HUNDRED percent different
Heres why

1. Different porportions (much longer legs)
2. Different skull
3. Differently spaced teeth and amount of teeth
4. Location of discovery
5. Big crest never seen on any spinosaurid before
6. And 3 specimens that match eachother but not specimens of aegypticaus

[ancient crystal]

The crest of aegyptiacus is tmk incomplete, but has pretty distinct ridges along its length, mirabilis does not have that same structure

[runic heart]

So what are the arms on the new guy based on? Cause iirc, we don’t have any significant Spinosaurus arms material.

[smoky arrow]

Suchomimus

Roughly estimated size chart

[undone rapids]

The size of forelimbs is usually estimated from size of hindlimbs, so bigger legs gets bigger arms. The ratio was from such probably yeah

[ancient crystal]

The humble Tarbosaurus:

[smoky arrow]

The humble any tyrannosaur ever:

[undone rapids]

Early ones have pretty decently large arms.

Tarbo for some reason wasn't satisfied wiyh rex's short arms, it needed to go even further

[ancient crystal]

Even relative to other tyrannosaurs, Tarbosaurus has tiny forelimbs

[tough parcel]

How did you make this

[plush fossil]

Is it possible for a spinosaurid with like, super tiny arms to exist? This might be a dumb question but I'm curious

[smoky arrow]

Pixlr a photo editor

[tough parcel]

No, how did you scale these?

[runic heart]

Not sure, cause I’d think the arms correlate to grabbing fish.

[smoky arrow]

Memory

[plush fossil]

Alright thank you

[undone rapids]

If a spino wasn't using its arms much for whatever reason, then its possible it'd have shorter ones yeah. Maybe we'll one day find a spino that was very terrestrially focused with its skull adaptations or something

[ancient crystal]

I'm noticing their feet aren't leve with each other

[smoky arrow]

Yeah lol pixlr is suuuper snappy so its a PAIN

Suchos the only floaty one

[tough parcel]

Give me a sec

Vibes-based scaling, I cannot believe it actually happened

[smoky arrow]

Lmaooo its pretty close though ya gotta admit

[tough parcel]

Not in the slightest actually 💀

[plush fossil]

[smoky arrow]

LOL good thing i didnt try or id die

[ancient crystal]

Reveal to us the truth

[tough parcel]

I added the holotype/neotype size and it crashed Photoshop

Evidence God does not wish to see?

[craggy trench]

average spinosaur fate

[foggy river]

did i do it right

[craggy trench]

[balmy oyster]

The true dakotaraptor

We now got 3 spoons

[foggy river]

can i give them a fish

[fossil ingot]

The Legs

[charred hearth]

whats the difference between sub species and species?

[runic heart]

What about adult Mirabilis.

[tough parcel]

I'm stopping myself from saying mean things

[runic heart]

Hmm

[charred hearth]

like, do the different types of orca's count as sub species or species?

some people say orca's need a species split like bottlenose or just different ecotypes, idk, this stuff gets confusing to me.

[tender vapor]

Idk they look pretty similar bro

[craggy trench]

its unclear
there is research about it going on but nothing is concrete

for now best to refer to them as ecotypes

[charred hearth]

what makes a ecotype and a subspecies different

[tough parcel]

Edited mirabilis

[craggy trench]

https://klipy.com/gifs/good-question-meme

[charred hearth]

"a distinct form or race of a plant or animal species occupying a particular habitat."
is this just not subspecies??

[balmy oyster]

Sucho’s…large

[smoky arrow]

I dont think sucho is THAT big

[charred hearth]

ah, two loving parents and their kids

[balmy oyster]

It is, it’s second largest for a reason

[tough parcel]

Evidence vibes-based scaling is incorrect

[charred hearth]

you didnt KNOW*

" i dont think " implies its not

[outer tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-5-bro-think-he-part-of-the-team-will-byers-coming-out-byler-gif-3539453383765585523

[fossil ingot]

They are the same genus so looking similar is normal

[craggy trench]

An ecotype refers to organisms which belong to the same species but have different phenotypical characteristics as a result of their adaptations to different habitats. Differences between these two groups is attributed to phenotypic plasticity and are too few for them to be termed as wholly different species.

and to bring up seaworld for a brief moment and we will leave it at THIS ONLY
some orca ecotypes are able to breed and produce fertile offpsring

obvi this isnt perfect since some subspecies can do that too but yeah
its a messy and not always very clear

[charred hearth]

would you say this statement is true and applies to the orca situation?

" I can’t help but feel that part of it is humanization
Which might sound dumb but it really does seem that mammals being different species specifically gets a LOT of pushback just because they are mammals
And when you get an animal with social structures as complex as orcas I feel there’s something deep rooted and unspoken that can’t really help people from making parallel with human structures and thus are hesitant to class them differently "

[craggy trench]

i wouldnt
there is a lot of physical and dna differecnes aside from behavior that warrant a different status

[hallow spear]

Sub species is a species within a species basically

[fossil ingot]

Its a 12m along centra guy
So yeah it is huge

[hallow spear]

Its modern in the fact its impossible to distinguish the difference between them in most cases

[craggy trench]

humanization of orca and dolphs can be a issue but its a different one to ecotype vs sub species

iirc the was a paper that tried to make sepereat species for orca but it was rejected

BUT
it did create two sub species for them
Eastern North American resident: Orcinus ater
transient orcas: Orcinus rectipinnus

[zenith rose]

Here’s the comparison for you @chrome current

And here is the family you’re referring to (including the tyrannosauroid superfamily)

So when I say there are only two valid Tyrannosaurus sub species I’m referring to the first image with Tyrannosaurus R, and Tyrannosaurus M, not the superfamily tyrannosauroidae which is the second image

[hallow spear]

Subspecies cannot exist in dinosauria

What you’re referring to is species

[craggy trench]

yeah we literally cannot tell

[tough parcel]

Jarvis, pull up bird wiki page

[hallow spear]

IM TOO LAZY TO SPECIFY TO WHAT I MEAN LET ME BE VAGUE!

[tough parcel]

Bad sci-comm...please refer to KoI's banned words list for my comment...

[zenith rose]

Using this term lightly to explain a difference to someone else! I’m aware they don’t truly exist, I’m speaking in PoT terms here for this player. As in selectable sub species playable in the game

Please refer to the messages in #path-of-titans for a better understanding :)

im aware this person isn’t super paleo knowledgeable in this sense so i use common anima and game terms for this

[charred hearth]

you cant spell paleontology without facts

[hallow spear]

But this is paleontology… plus you really don’t need to dumb something down just explain it properly

[runic heart]

Unfortunately, you technically can 💀

[charred hearth]

try

[zenith rose]

I think you’re missing my point, I only rooted this here to not go “off topic” in path of titans channel to adhere to the rules. They aren’t a backer so I can’t reroot the images to the backer channel for them

[runic heart]

Oh your right I can’t do it

[fossil ingot]

Yeah but like
In Order to Properly Explain.
Just explain with species, if you explain witb Sub species the guy will just keep getting confused

[hallow spear]

It’s not difficult to explain that the separation of species and subspecies is at a variable level but as it currently Rex only has one species (Tyrannosaurus rex) and was suggested to have up to 3, T. Regina c T. Macraeensis etc etc,

You have no reason to use sub species as it just confuses him

[zenith rose]

As I said, speaking in game terms for this individual because we’re talking about the game here, If we were talking about Paleontology itself in disregard to the game I would explain it properly

[hallow spear]

Talking about the game doesn’t belong in this channel though

[charred hearth]

amasu aint even here to speak for himself on if he understands or not 😭

[zenith rose]

Hence why I rerooted images with an explanation in path of titans channel. Please leave it be, the member will read or not read it as they see fit, thank you and have a nice rest of your day

[fossil ingot]

Lmao

[hallow spear]

You’re so confused ngl, but hey have a good day too, I’m not trying to argue or anything 😭

[fossil ingot]

Amasu was confused on thought Dasp was a Smaller T-Rex Species
You didn't even had to educate on Sub Species
Just educate that Dasp isn't Tyrannosaurus Rex😭

[hallow spear]

Just trying to explain that posting that post here wasn’t actually paleontology related based on what you’re saying and it would have been fine to post in #path-of-titans

[tough parcel]

This was cool

[charred hearth]

do we think giganotosaurus will get a 2nd species like rex and spino or do we think rex and spino will tell it " every trio has a duo " and run off into the sunset together with eachother

[balmy oyster]

Giganotosaurus rosae

[hallow spear]

@stuck chasm hey this guys being rude to me and posting offtopic content regarding pot here please execute(the last part was a joke because you guys remind me of the clone wars guys from Star Wars lmao)

[tough parcel]

I think this is the better outcome

[hallow spear]

My outcome is that you become a giganotosaurus species

[charred hearth]

if im correct, that got turned into mapu right?

[pallid heath]

Did I cook with the remaster (sorry if it’s offtopic people were forwarding their mirabilis drawings here)

[fossil ingot]

The Guy thought that Dasp was Rex
You didn't even had to explain Sub Species
Just that they are different Species and not the same Genus or smth

[balmy oyster]

Yea it’s just it being a giga is a paleomeme

First we must find a specimen that isn’t a bonebed

[balmy oyster]

Plus daspleto isn’t even remotely close to being a subspecies to rex. It’s just a related species outside of tyrannosaurines.

[zenith rose]

I’ve been told by moderators in the past that speech is off topic so I wanted to adhere to their words first 🙂

And @fossil ingot what I was able to gather from their response to me was that they didn’t understand that T.R and T.M were two different selectable “sub species” of the path of titans Rex (yes I’m aware they’re not subspecies) so I tried to explain in path of titans terms, that they arent different tyrannosaurid members like dasp and alio, I did not gather from what they said that they thought members like dasp were just different tyrannosaurs. It’s likely I misinterpreted what they said due to wording, which is common

Hope you’re all well 😀

What are your thoughts on the new spinosaurus skull?

[hallow spear]

Did you guys know @tough parcel is actually a Tyrannosaurus species called T. falconensis, originally presented by Gregory S Paul

[charred hearth]

i wonder, whats the new big 3 of therapods? i know tyrannosaurus is still there , but did giga and spino get replaced? if so, by who?

[stuck chasm]

Hey everyone! Just a reminder to please be respectful and avoid provoking or antagonizing others on this Discord. Also, ensure that this channels stays on topic to paleontological as per our pinned guidelines. Thank you

[ancient crystal]

In fairness to him, there isn't a single article online about a non-tyrannosaurus tyrannosaur that won't at some point refer to the animal as Tyrannosaurus

[hallow spear]

Just explain to them in normal terms I’m sure he’s not like 3y old 😭

[charred hearth]

to think back then, rex was the smallest out of the big 3.....how much has changed

[balmy oyster]

You could say “daspleto is not tyrannosaurus but it’s related” and that would be the end of that

[hallow spear]

@balmy oyster I’m gonna explain why you’re wrong in 3 simple words.

[balmy oyster]

Is it “your mom fat”

[hallow spear]

Nah, I’d win.

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-lock-in-nah-id-win-amenathus-gif-1889648742143147519

[pallid heath]

Sigil is overlooked by oxalaia when it comes to sailed spinosaurids other than spinosaurus himself

[harsh forge]

i have a hypothesis that mirabilis used its crest as a lightning rod to attract lightning to electrocute its prey

[charred hearth]

sorry guys for dissapearing, my neighbor just got his car taken away and hes threatening to kill 2 people outside, just like how 2 nanotyrannus's attempted to take down a trike in the montana dueling dinosaurs fossil /srs

[brisk crown]

This guy is onto something
Spinosaurus B. Franklin

[pale night]

i just was gonna post that same ss

[tough parcel]

Sereno unironically drained the aura out of every 90s paleontologist except Bakker

[charred hearth]

whats the top 3 largest carnivores 2026?

[fossil ingot]

Rex
Spino
Giga until Suecheng specimen Spawns Probably/gets described

[ancient crystal]

Upsize mcreaensis and an arbitrarily lumped Tarbosaurus, and the answer could be Tyrannosaurus, Tyrannosaurus, and Tyrannosaurus

[charred hearth]

wow

[fossil ingot]

Suecheng mogs all

[balmy oyster]

Tyrannosaurus as the top 3 would be hilarious can we find a really big tarbo specimen pls

[ancient crystal]

Never heard of it 🥱

[balmy oyster]

New giant zhucheng

[ancient crystal]

Oh, I get it

Lets lump zhucheng while we're at it

[balmy oyster]

Then it’ll truly be the top 3 as tyrannosaurus

[gritty hatch]

Just lump every large tyrannosaurid atp

[ancient crystal]

Wait its all Tyrannosaurus?

Always has been

[gritty hatch]

Worth waiting for

[ancient crystal]

That would honestly be hilarious

Oh? Spinosaurus got a new species? Well, now Tyrannosaurus has four and they're all reasonably larger.

A genuine apocalypse for spino fanboys.

[lucid gyro]

I saw this on twitter and wanted to know thoughts? the @ is SpinoStan2

[balmy oyster]

They’ve got it better than carcha’s because not even carcha’s have a cool unicorn horn or supermassive size

[lucid gyro]

https://x.com/spinostan2/status/2024658984599498929?s=46

SpinosaurusStan2 (@SpinoStan2)

This is really impractical and probably not how the crest worked but I thought about this in the shower and thought it might be funny nonetheless

X · Feb 20, 2026, 1:34 AM

[balmy oyster]

Carcharodontosaurus itself, the namesake of the group, is STILL without a postcranial skeletal and its smaller relative lost its name to a spinosaurid

And now giga can no longer rely on its dentary

[ancient crystal]

The only reason Carcharodontosaurus isn't in the same boat as Hadrosaurus and Ceratops is because it lived with Spinosaurus

[lucid gyro]

did the paper on the new spino talk of charcaro remains being found in the formation as well

[lavish frigate]

How is my fella accuracy wise

Yes I give him lips, thou must cope

[queen oar]

he's doing the speed thing

[gritty hatch]

Some carchas have high spines like concavenator and acro!

[queen oar]

more filaments.

[balmy oyster]

Yeah and those are the only 2 that do it where it looks cool

Meraxes & TTT grade just looks…weird

[pallid heath]

I see it more as something they would use to spar with

[balmy oyster]

Too fragile

[fluid inlet]

i like it

[pallid heath]

Ofc it’s fragile it’s a fossilized part it could have been more strong than what the fossil felt like

[runic heart]

From a while ago but I believe it’s still valid, unfortunately.

[fossil ingot]

I doubt even with Keratin it would be like that
Its gonna still be fragild

[balmy oyster]

We would know. You can tell a lot about how something was used or function even if it was just a fossil.

[pallid heath]

I also hypothesized that there may have been a flap of skin between the crest for mating display (even without the sail the best guess is that the crest was for intimidation and mating)

[balmy oyster]

That’s…creative but unfortunately not how it would’ve been

[lunar quail]

https://youtu.be/JyJD2anOQPY?si=U-ii5Qv2O9pAtmMR

[pallid heath]

yea on second thought I got to get my heads out of the clouds

[arctic crane]

Do we have any examples in birds of a fleshy ornament being supported by a large bone structure?

[balmy oyster]

Yes but conveniently I have forgotten 99% of all bird species

[pallid heath]

Geese and swans (not the best example but it’s one of them)

Also cassowaries have a little ridge to support that huge crest

[fluid inlet]

quality meme

[arctic crane]

I know that there are bone structures supporting keratin, but off the top of my head I can't think of a large bone structure like spinos supporting something like a waddle

[pallid heath]

Your reminding me of a defunct hypothesis of crests having special inflatable tissues onto them

[arctic crane]

Lol I remember them saying that when dilophosaurus got its new crest

[fluid inlet]

cooler than suchomimus

[pallid heath]

Now I feel dumb for lowering the sail on mine

[fluid inlet]

nah i lke it !

[balmy oyster]

To be fair dilo’s situation is different than mirabilis

In it the sinuses have extended & expanded with the crests and don’t show signs of keratinizing, and usually the sinuses are the ones that end up being able to expand in certain animals

[pallid heath]

Cause it wouldn’t make sense for it lugging around a huge sail with those thin legs and skinny torso

[fluid inlet]

besides the sail is really just optimistic since there isnt really any sail material anyways , so i think its fine to have a little freedom to reconstruct it the way you want.

[pallid heath]

It’s got spoon physics

[pallid heath]

We have a teeny tiny sail fragment at the base of a sail bone so it’s confirmed to have had a sail but the height and shape is unknown

[tough parcel]

Maybe I should do mirabilis

[fluid inlet]

exactly , thats why i said you have the freedom to design it how you want, just don't get to crazy with it if you want it to be paleo accurate

[pallid heath]

I get more creative ideas when drawing a dinosaur that has paleo accurate boundaries

Literally this meme

[arctic crane]

Right, I know dilo's crest is different. It's just something I see a lot in spec evo. That an animal has a large bone structure but instead of supporting a keratin sheath it has a fleshy structure instead. I just don't know of too many animals that have that

I know edmonto has a fleshy structure on its head and I'm sure many other dinos probably had waddles and inflatable sacks, but I think a lot of the bone structures we see most likely supported keratin horns or crests

[fluid inlet]

iphones just keep getting bigger

[gritty hatch]

What are your guys' all time favorite dinos? Mine are mapu, altispinax, and spinosaurus

[fluid inlet]

torvosaurus , triceratops , carcharodontosaurus

[arctic crane]

Obviously, I think there's a certain level of creativity that you can take, especially when you're going for a more fantastical design or a fictional creature inspired by a dinosaur, there's a part of me that thinks it's kind of rude to go. Oh, I don't care about scientific accuracy. I just want them to look cool. These were real animals. They had a real look once upon a Time. That's just me though

[gritty hatch]

Carcha comes just behind Mapu for me. Interchangeable haha

[fading dawn]

Is Daspletosaurus wilsoni valid? I keep seeing contradicting sources

[lucid gyro]

acrocanthosaurus , suchomimus, rex and pentaceratops. ceratopsians fascinate me. i hope we can learn more about their frills and potential color patterns

[hazy basalt]

Credit: https://x.com/crunch_muc30631/status/2024574498624983485

Much crunch (@crunch_muc30631)

So basically

X · Feb 19, 2026, 7:59 PM

[plush fossil]

I was gonna make this joke LOL

[fluid inlet]

Beautiful

[queen oar]

tbh I would do the mirabilis crest differently.

like this

[balmy oyster]

Pterosaur heresies

[queen oar]

hornbill lol

@balmy oyster

[arctic crane]

From pteranodon to a rhinoceros hornbill
Bro has an identity crisis

[silk radish]

Spinosaurid fans must be really happy rn (I certainly am)

[halcyon cobalt]

colossal is incredibly based for this

[frosty cedar]

What do you mean lost it's name to a spinosaurid?

[serene sedge]

Not sure if I believe it could have structures like that unless its crest was all the way down the skull like Dilophosaurus or Guanlong which it doesn’t.

[runic rover]

Giganotosaurus (and all the giganotosaurinae, since they are basically the same)

Deinocheirus

Probably Barosaurus

Maiasaura

A lot more like Torvo, Miragaia, Parasaurolophus... And so on

[finite summit]

I'm really a fan of Maip, Spinosaurus (specially now with the new species) and spicomellus, but there are lots of dinos that i love, its hard to only select some lol

[autumn crescent]

@pallid heath @bleak rose bright pink feathered spino

[halcyon cobalt]

a remnant from 2015

[glossy arrow]

Mine is Carnotaurus. It became a favorite when I watched Disney's Dinosaur when I was just a little kid. I'm gonna get a tattoo of one on my lower left arm once I save enough money

[tender dove]

I developed favoritism towards Microraptor this month, whereas before I didn't have a favorite dinosaur

[autumn crescent]

spinosaur, ichtyovenator,austroraptor, concavenator and sinotyrannus

[runic heart]

Anybody brought up the blubbery plesiosaur paper yet?

[fierce quarry]

I didn't see that, what is it saying basically ?

[ashen wedge]

So that’s how it got the crest

[runic heart]

Blubber ig. Idk I didn’t read it yet.

[fierce quarry]

I see x), do you have a link to the paper ?

[runic heart]

https://journals.ub.ovgu.de/index.php/techmech/article/view/2328

So it’s hydrodynamics based

[fierce quarry]

Thank you !

[ashen wedge]

Did I miss that we found fat Mosa?

[ionic linden]

Fatty
The mosa I mean

[runic heart]

Nah, fat elasmosaurs. Based on hydrodynamics, blubber, and colder environments.

[ashen wedge]

Oh, got it, and that makes sense

[runic heart]

From what I got though, I don’t believe there is any actual fossil evidence for it. So another “do what you will with it” thing.

[ashen wedge]

Oh, I mean it makes sense

[runic heart]

Yeah, but nothing is set in stone until we find a fossil outline of such blubber.

[ashen wedge]

That’s fair and I agree till fossil evidence presents an answer

[runic heart]

As for the new spinosaur, I’m thinking, again kind of just guessing, that its sail probably isn’t as tall as spinosaurus’, and arms not as large as suchomimus’.

With the longer legs, I’m just pondering the possible balance issues it might have with a huge sail.

[undone rapids]

I don't think it has much of a sail preserved, so maybe it had a different shape/size

[outer tusk]

Waiting to see someone reconstruct it without the sail lowkey

[ashen wedge]

So…. Could it have Sucho’s semi-sail? Or was that debunked for Sucho?

[outer tusk]

How did it get debunked for such, it quite literally has large neural spines

[undone rapids]

There is thailand spino with small sail

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/2024627793468809464

Paléontologie (@PaleontologieFr)

En Thaïlande🇹🇭, un chasseur de poissons de 7 mètres attendait patiemment que quelqu’un déchiffre son histoire.
Découvert en 2004 dans la localité de Sam Ran, ce #fossile représente l’un des rares spécimens de #spinosauridés exhumés en Asie.
#Theropoda

https://sciencepost.fr/le-cousin-asiatique-du-spinosaure-vient-de-refaire-surface-et-il-cache-des-surprises/

vxTwitter / fixvx · Feb 19, 2026, 11:30 PM

[sterile trail]

Acrocanthosaurus my GOAT

[ashen wedge]

I was asking if it was or wasn’t proven that it had a sail

[runic heart]

You mean like, sail or hump?

[ancient crystal]

Mirabilis does have some sail material preserved

[ionic linden]

australovenator, austroraptor, allosaurus, ichtyovenator and parasaurolophus

[ancient crystal]

All dinosaurs are equally as cool, but if I had to choose, I'd choose the only correct choice which is Tyrannosaurus

[ionic linden]

forgot to include dilophosaurus

[serene moat]

Anyone have a up to date acrocanthosaurus size chart

[serene moat]

Has there ever been any follow up on the broom giant titanosaur footprints?? Is there anything they ever found relating to it after that or is it stuck at just tracks 😭

[paper parcel]

Etacystis communus, from the carboniferous

[serene moat]

What's the weight estimates for both, also holy hunch back

[undone rapids]

Big one is around 6500 kg, smaller one assuming its like 1.5 meters shorter is probably within the 4 - 5 tonne range

[queen oar]

You don't necessarily need to.

[serene sedge]

While I think that the rendering is good I just think that I need to start over with something else

[queen oar]

Draw a Proboscidean I guess.

[serene sedge]

Wait sorry wrong response, just woke up

[queen oar]

my suggestion stands still lol

[serene sedge]

I thought you were talking to me about some of the Spinosaurus art that I posted in a completely different server🫠

[queen oar]

@serene sedge Can we see it?

[serene sedge]

Maybe, I think I want to redo it completely.

As for a proper response to your original question. The skull of Spinosaurus cannot support a structure like that, there are no rugosity sites on the rest of the snout nor other necessary bone anchor points for a crest that goes all the way down the snout like that.

[queen oar]

Me when

[queen oar]

Also, I get what you mean, but that isn't necessarily a big rule.

[serene sedge]

The issue is Spinosaurus doesn’t have attachments supporting a hornbill like crest, the swept back cassowary look is somewhat more accurate especially for mirabilis. The issue is that much of the rest of the snout is smoothed out or covered in foramina for skin attachment and not a massive crest down the nasal area. Irritator may have had a short ridge running down its nasal area but that’s about it. Anatomically what you are suggesting is not exactly possible in Spinosaurus or other spinosaurs.

It would have likely looked like more like this

[ashen wedge]

Either or

[serene sedge]

It had a sail as far as we can tell

[ashen wedge]

Alright

[serene sedge]

There doesn’t seem to be any attachments for structures like fatty humps or huge anchor muscles, any fat or muscle past the spoon shaped base of the individual vertebrae is not likely.

[queen oar]

well, I would say most keratinuous structures don't necessarily need a bony base for how much they extend or not. It's pretty subjective as far as i'm concerned. Even that sketch itself, I think there are other alternative interpretations with a similar idea.

[ashen wedge]

I was asking about Sucho

[serene sedge]

Sucho is fine, it doesn’t have the extreme sail of Spinosaurus and could have had more muscle and tissue over its “sail”.

[queen oar]

Alternatively, there's not a whole lot to be objective about this. Since most of these structures in extinct theropods don't have any observations or analysis on their histology.

[serene sedge]

True to some degree although in this case it needs bony support on an animal that large, the crest you have is only really feasible if the animal had bone correlations going down the face like Dilophosaurus. In addition this structure gets in the way of its feeding style.

[runic heart]

Heard that the adult size could be anywhere from 10-12 meters. Though, I doubt they reached 12 meters often.

[ionic linden]

el creature

[runic heart]

Le critier

[queen oar]

not necessarily. Keratin only leaves rugosity marks on the skull of a animal, if that soft tissue is pretty tight around that section of the skull, which for a lot of times, isn't necessarily the case... If hypothetically, the animal has a more extensive keratinuous sheath. And, I wouldn't know for sure, but as far I know, I drawed it only being so present on the dorsal section of the skull, so not really on the way of the jaws, and assuming that " Spinosaurus " mirabilis was just a theropod with a purely piscivorous diet, I don't see how that would get in the way, when you are just either going into the water to get fish, or just diving your head into the water to eat fish?

But even then, I feel like this is a merely useless argument? Because as I said, I already agree that this is like subjective, so my interpretation could or could not be part of a impossible model.

[ashen wedge]

So any chance it will be heavier than Classic Spino?

[runic heart]

No chance

[queen oar]

Noted: Some people might disagree or agree on what is rugosity on the skull of a extinct theropod... Because it's just how paleontology itself works. Everyone has their own individual interpretations on what is or isn't preserved on a fossil.

[ashen wedge]

Got it

[runic heart]

Well, how much did Sucho weigh? I’m not actually great with weight estimates so…

[serene sedge]

I’m trying to get you to see that nothing about this crest makes sense given the current material, even hornbills have very specific skull attachments that dictate the shape of the skull. Spinosaurus DOES NOT HAVE THESE CORRELATES, the crest is shown as either a smaller rounded structure (in aegyptiacus) or a tall pointed scimitar shape (in mirabilis). If you want large hornbill like crests go to Guanlong or Dilophosaurus.

[queen oar]

Well, I think I'm a lost cause for you. Apologies 😔

[serene sedge]

The crest of this hornbill curls up at a certain point, past that point on the skull no keratin attaches to it. Spinosaurus did not have large casque structures.

[queen oar]

Well, I'll do it anyways 😛

[serene sedge]

Just don’t claim its accurate, there’s already enough paleontology misinformation as is.

[queen oar]

never did? If I did I'll just apologize accordingly, because like yeah, it's my bad... I guess?

[fossil ingot]

5-5.5t and 12.1-12.4m

[runic heart]

So an adult Mirabilis might be closer to Sucho in weight?

[fossil ingot]

Probably
But who knows
Is just an estimation

[runic heart]

Who just phantom pinged me

[pliant garden]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_HlsB3dn7sk&si=XFGnf1KqzEVuT1la

[steep jolt]

cant believe this is real

[queen oar]

Camptosaurus?

[sturdy oasis]

look at this cool whale tooth fossil I got

[ancient crystal]

Oh hey its the shark species that screwed up the results for my most recent research presentation, curse you Alopias vulpinus!

[steep jolt]

yes

[steep jolt]

mososaurid?

[sturdy oasis]

The place i got it from said it was a toothed whale

I have mosasaurus teeth and they look different

[steep jolt]

does it have serrations

[sturdy oasis]

no it does not

[steep jolt]

is it conical or does it have a sharp edge

[sturdy oasis]

it's more conical than not

[steep jolt]

probaly a ceteacean then

[sturdy oasis]

They never specified what genus it is but I think it might be a zygorhiza

[ionic linden]

either thats a small spino or a big campto(?)

[sturdy oasis]

do we know the age of the mirabilis specimen?

[ancient crystal]

Roughly its believed to be a subadult

[stiff osprey]

Not fully grown but probably old enough to be reproducing given the giant display structure on its face

[green helm]

would palaeoloxodon hide behind a tree like this elephant in the picture even tho i cant find it

[paper parcel]

The original spinosaurus, arizonasaurus, a poposaurid

[green helm]

is that the original indominus rex

[ancient crystal]

No this is the original spinosaurus

https://giphy.com/gifs/usnationalarchives-throwback-ww2-bombing-hSvEFynAnndC5JbH4A

[plush fossil]

I wonder what would've happened if it didn't get like, exploded

[paper parcel]

Four legs

[plush fossil]

[lime eagle]

Wasn’t that skeleton almost complete? Before it got obliterated.

[craggy trench]

it was bits and pieces

[paper parcel]

Also, I have a theory

[craggy trench]

this what the holotype had

[lime eagle]

Gotcha, thanks!

[potent steeple]

Minha vó

[sturdy oasis]

This is why war is bad, we could lose dinosaur fossils

[ashen wedge]

You can’t address the elephant in the photo? I expected better quality respect for the beautiful elephant

[sturdy oasis]

nice dog photo

[ashen wedge]

Am I the only one that thinks it looks like a cow?

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-yes-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-enthusiastic-yes-gif-15806751

[ionic linden]

yes!

[runic heart]

?

[queen oar]

@ancient crystal hey, I got an idea

[undone rapids]

They mention in the vid that they have alot alot of suchomimus material from its formation, but Poor guy never gets a paper focused on it, but everytime spino gets a paper, they just mention "Oh yeah sucho now looks like this this and this.... amyways back to the cool one, spinosaurus wooo"

[balmy oyster]

Apparently the skull in that paper isn’t the best too

[ancient crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/not-good-jon-stewart-big-daddy-beer-gif-6090491

[ancient crystal]

Its almost as bad as the description for Carcharhinus

Which needed a whole new assessment in the mid 90s because everyone and their mother wanted to name a requiem shark

[bright veldt]

Shoutout to Blue Sharks definitely being in the genus but are still rocking the unique genus name for some reason.

[queen oar]

Banana and BBQ sauce

[outer tusk]

REAL LIKE ONG

[winter marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/address-me-gif-3314967408153193330

[primal ice]

How did i do on the accuracy im only 19 starting college drawing dinosaurs I hop I did good

[arctic crane]

Poor sucho

[dense spindle]

cricodon wip. This makes impidens HUGE

largest triassic predatory cynodont

[charred hearth]

is any paleotology about humans classified as anthropology or is there a spot where they dont overlap when it comes to humans?

[little mauve]

Paleoanthropology technically covers all hominids but with a focus on reconstructing the evolution of anatomically modern humans

[ionic linden]

why its crest kinda like a bananer 🍌

[balmy oyster]

Idk why they make it so smooth cus all the crests are jagged and pointy

[lucid gyro]

so how much has sucho changed from previous understandings?

[shrewd quiver]

imagine if mirabilis was just sexual dimorphism and the females had smaller crests and were bigger

is this too speculative

[ionic linden]

idk maybe

[ashen wedge]

Wait already? New spinosaurus drawing from the paleo artist?

[granite thicket]

Mirabilis has longer legs tho that might be cause it still has growth left

[balmy oyster]

Nothing changed

It needs a redescription

[icy lagoon]

So does this further support spino's sail for display?

[hardy sentinel]

https://www.facts.app/encyclopedia

This is so peak

This is by far my favorite featherless nanuqsaurus depiction