paleontology

[stiff osprey]

there was something about the US west coast being further south in the cretaceous or the like

table or edmontonian will probably know more than i do

[hardy sentinel]

It's an odd situation thought because the fossil was found on an island, like how would it get there without being destroyed.

Rex ancestor island arc?

Also the bedrock of the island dates back 75 million years, so it's not like the island is new

[charred hearth]

it died before it became a island

[stiff osprey]

found it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646189848209915916/1413258522912755762/image.png?ex=68d05f10&is=68cf0d90&hm=0682c1f9b1bbda919f9e5c71698c28010046926b49263c31fd72fe338a7f6a8d&

orange are possible places sucia could be from

[hardy sentinel]

Ignore my dumbness for a moment, is the orange mainland or?

[stiff osprey]

mainland is yellow
where the orange is is unclear (hence why there's multiple orange bits)

[hardy sentinel]

The Suciasaurus rabbit hole is tiring, apparently the thing might have been deposited further south in California or Mexico

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4439161

kinda depressing that this is probably gonna be the only fossil of the mf for a while (if not forever) considering it's in a very odd situation of them not even being certain where it's from

[thorn grove]

Are they going with the lost humerus Magnapaulia?

I’ll take it over bars tho

[fluid inlet]

Yeah Magnapaulia is going to the biggest hadrosaur

[misty scarab]

what is suchomimus bite force for irl?

[astral valve]

Same as a chihuahua woof woof 900-1000lbs of force

[charred hearth]

how long would certain sauropod groups be able to go bipedal for?

[frigid delta]

does the animal exist as a Juvenile Rex or "Nanotyrannus"?

[hardy sentinel]

Goes either way but both side believes they are right

[white matrix]

wth is this stego 💀

[frigid delta]

so it could be both until further studies?

[hardy sentinel]

It could be whichever side you decide on but it's both and neither at the same time

[frigid delta]

okay thank you

[white matrix]

increase the size of the plates or keep them as is? used Sophie as a reference for them

[white matrix]

is this legit?

cause all I can I see is the difference in plates and how would we even know if ungulatus have flatter plates? wouldn't that just be from them being crushed

[fossil ingot]

Random...whats that Pic.

Also.
Isn't there possible Gorgo Material that makes it bigger than some dasps and Somewhat Close to Pete III?
Idk I have heard about some Femurs

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Dawn's Moschops?

[white matrix]

if apex is 8.2 meters does that not mean ypm 1388 is even longer? @stiff osprey

[white matrix]

@hallow spear idk why it didn't let me ping you

[stiff osprey]

Apex is not 8.2m, it is like 7ish

I don't know why they say that

[white matrix]

probably take "the biggest most complete stegosaurus" as "the biggest stegosaurus" and get 8.2 meters from searching up what the biggest stegosaurus is

anyways this is sick

[charred hearth]

would any prehestoric creature be able to reach the decimal level of sperm whales?

[hardy sentinel]

There's no way of measuring that (I'm assuming you mean decibel)

[charred hearth]

whats the difference

[astral spindle]

@fossil ingot , does YPM 1388 have a new size from 7.8 m and 8.1 tons?

[white matrix]

its 8.2 meters and 8 tons
I got 7.7 tons when I scaled it

[astral spindle]

So it just got longer?

[white matrix]

I think it got lighter, idk ive seen something from stego saying it possibly got thinner

[astral spindle]

Talking abt this guy, so what changed?

[white matrix]

sophie.

[astral spindle]

But what made it 8.3 meters? Just a different posture?

[astral spindle]

So he's still basically the same length.

God this one looks cursed

[astral spindle]

U pulled the tail back that's what added to its length right?

[white matrix]

this is outdated by tail got longer@astral spindle

[white matrix]

I combined these proportions with this posture #paleontology message
I dont have a good dorsal view so I used dempsey's

still basically the same thing @astral spindle

[astral spindle]

So other than the tail all that heppend is his belly got thinner?

[fluid inlet]

wtf

[pliant cedar]

How accurate is this torvosaurus

[white matrix]

wouldn't Apex be classified as ungulatus?

[astral spindle]

He is isn't he

[fluid inlet]

bro got that bataar path of titans sub dome piece

[pliant cedar]

was tryna get that uhh
neck musculature that torvo seems to have

[sly viper]

Fat

[astral spindle]

Muscle

[sudden wind]

You could make them bigger

[astral spindle]

Wait how long and how heavy is a single tail spike?

[coral forge]

pretty sure someone in here said a while ago that all of the thagomisers combined are like 32kg

[hallow spear]

The thagomizers combined for USNM 4934 is around 22.5kg

[hallow spear]

The proportions of the other one would have been better though

[solemn wyvern]

Does anyone have any information about studies that indicate that Deinocheirus could swim underwater and even quickly?

[hallow spear]

There is no evidence that Deinocheirus could even swim

[solemn wyvern]

Why is he the best swimmer in the game? Better than Sarcosuchus.

[ancient crystal]

Because giant murder duck

[solemn wyvern]

Do the developers like ducks and geese? Even the game named its voice attack "killer goose."

[sudden wind]

Deinocheirus "goose" reputation comes from its superficial resemblance in beak morphology and the fact that fish scales are associated with one of the specimen. Other than that, nothing about it screams "semiaquatic". In my opinion, Deinocheirus is a sort of Hadrosaur convergent Ornithomimosaur and that's it.

[compact leaf]

it does seem suited to eating aquatic vegetation and it’s associated with wetlands but that doesn’t mean it was swimming around, this isn’t a spinosaurus situation

[coral forge]

I mean
Evidence of piscivory + living in a wetlands environment kinda screams "semi-aquatic" imo

[fossil ingot]

Sarco is faster than Deinoc
And Deinoc been stronger is normal cause its a 5 slot vs 4 slot LOL

[white matrix]

the only thing that really changed was the length of the femur and the tail is slightly bulkier

[charred hearth]

ignoring hybrids , which park would you say was more plausible?

jurassic park or jurassic world?

[compact leaf]

it’s only vague evidence of piscivory, there’s half a dozen other ways that fish scales could wind up there, and living in a wetland doesn’t necessarily equate to being semi aquatic

[tardy dune]

Do we have any complete specimens for S.ungulatus, and any weight esitmates

Bc the weight est ive seen place it between 5-7 metric tons

[wet star]

J World. Its functionally better and feels more modern and more like a theme park than a zoo like jp.

[tardy dune]

@white matrix

Ur a stego intelectual you will know

[white matrix]

I'm not💀

[tardy dune]

🙏

[outer tusk]

we don't

[tardy dune]

Sads

So how do we know its a diffrent species?

[white matrix]

different plate shapes which is a bit silly in my opinion. I guess it depends in what age the rock theyre found in? idk if they overlapped

[outer tusk]

You don't need a complete speicmens to define a new speices within an existing genus

[snow python]

How long was Thalattoarchon

[sudden wind]

To be honest, fish scales associated with fossils does or necessarily mean that the animal actually ate fish (could have been displaced or the animal was already dead, fish invaded the body cavity post mortum, then got trapped and died so that's why you really ha to check in depth if this scenario didn't happen).

Also, fossils are all found in sedimentary deposits and the vast majority of them are aquatics habitats (wetlands, floodplains, lagoons, estuaries...) so being found in an habitat doesn't mean that said animal did live in said habitat.

[charred hearth]

is there any chance that fish were on the menu for rex

[sudden wind]

No evidences against Tyrannosaurs not eating fish afaik. They just were not specialized to eat fish nor show evidences of adaptations for fishing so it wouldn't be like a huge part of their diet.

[charred hearth]

i remember when people said cerato and dilo were fish eaters

[sudden wind]

So, like any carnivore, perhaps rex ate some fish, just like it could have eaten turtles or crocodiles or small ground birds. Unliky to be a major part of its died though.

[undone rapids]

There was a juvi tarbo with Fish found in stomach contents recently iirc

[hallow spear]

this isnt true

[white matrix]

then what is, you failed to educate me when I asked

[charred hearth]

" you failed to educate me when i asked "

[ancient crystal]

Seeing as Jurassic World was actually successful? That one.

The only problem with JW was the entirely absurd plot point of people getting tired of seeing dinosaurs.

[charred hearth]

how long was jurassic world operational for? i forgot

[ancient crystal]

I want to say it was like 5 years or something, but I could be wildly incorrect

[charred hearth]

was it from 2006 - 2015??

[ancient crystal]

Jurassic World was supposedly open from May, 2005 to December, 2015

According to google.

[charred hearth]

that sounds actually pretty good, a decade without diasters? awesome

[hallow spear]

I told you before, S. ungulatus is a chimera and is therefore complicated to say if it is or isn't a valid species.. It should be regarded as Stegosaurus sp.

[ashen wedge]

So they have been open and for ten years people got bored of dinosaurs already? At least make it like 20-25 years before most people get bored of seeing the dinosaurs

[undone rapids]

People haven't gotten bored of real animals, I doubt they'd ever get bored of dinos

[ancient crystal]

Genuinely, I think that single plot point is what brings that movie (and the rest of the Jurassic World franchise which all follow that same detail) down so much

[little mauve]

Jurassic World, despite using it in a lot of their marketing, pretty much completely dropped the ethics of cloning/ethics of captivity angle in favor of the "public got bored of dinosaurs" much to its detriment and the detriment of the rest of the series from that point on

[coral forge]

problem: the public got bored of the current dinosaurs

solution: clone new species out of the 700+ that are currently known instead of just having like 30

what they did: make hybrids with human level intelligence and keep them in poorly secured cages with subpar security

[little mauve]

sick of allosaurus? Here we made a gray allosaurus that can also experience existential crises

[coral forge]

yeah why did they make every dinosaur black/grey/brown/dark green

[little mauve]

it's more just like by the films own logic what would be more entertaining about an indominus versus any other large theropod

and to the average bumpkin visiting JW how would they even know the difference

[coral forge]

ngl I feel like the reason jw dinosaurs are so much duller compared to the jp dinosaurs was to make the hybrids seem more interesting because of their colors

[little mauve]

Could be, they definitely looked weird overall in that movie

[ashen wedge]

Agreed, I mean it was starting to be an issue for Jurassic World when we see the film, but it appears to have been a long problem going on

[ancient crystal]

Especially because it and Camp Cretaceous in part follow a character obsessed with dinosaurs. So its own driving force behind every conflict in the franchise is discredited by the main characters.

[ashen wedge]

Agreed

[fluid inlet]

Now ever since I can remember I been popping my colla

[charred hearth]

was it ever explained how the indom killed those 5 apatos? did it just push them over??

[fluid inlet]

Ya it’s called movie

[charred hearth]

im trying to find this spefic footage of a video of quetz on the beach, does anyone know what im talking about?

[hardy sentinel]

What year was the clip made around? 2000s? 2010s?

[balmy oyster]

It used kung fu

[charred hearth]

2000s - 2010s

[hardy sentinel]

What dinos was "Oxalaia" living with?

[native kindle]

rebbachisaurs, titanosaurs, an indeterminate carcharodontosaurid, abelisaur, unenlagine + other dromaeosaur, an anhangueird

[fluid inlet]

Edmontosaurus must be stopped.

[jagged trellis]

1 infant edmusthosaurus or 100 release bars

[winter marsh]

I wonder how fun would it be to make a fully functional Quetzalcoatlus suit and just pop up in the middle of the woods and scaring people

[full lagoon]

I think it would've been so cool if they got back to this, potentially even using some of the mutants like the D-rex to make such a point. I'd have definitely preferred it being something to feel bad for and angry at the company for creating.

I think everyone is getting tired of the generic monster trope at this point and they need to start changing it up if they want to keep dragging this franchise along.

We need more dinosaurs that actually act more like living beings and have a greater significance behind them.

I know this conversation isn't exactly relevant to the channel, and I'd love a dedicated channel to talk about off topic or media related matters.

[balmy oyster]

Everyone says this online, but in person people still go and watch the movies even without this, and enjoy them perfectly fine.

This franchise won’t ever be “realistic”, at this point it’s probably too late to try reverting what they did and maybe instead just explore further plot points with genetic modifications or something.

If you want to see media that portrays dinosaurs like animals, we have things like prehistoric planet. Hollywood is too dense to have regular portrayals of any animal for that matter.

[full lagoon]

I'm literally just sharing what I would like to see for the movies, even though it's unlikely

[little mauve]

Just learned about this Flowervale Street movie, sounds intriguing

[balmy oyster]

It’s hopeful, but knowing this franchise they would rather just bring back Chris Pratt and have him use telekinesis to tame dinosaurs.

[ancient crystal]

It wouldn't work in the movies, that's for sure. But maybe as some sort of supporting media.

The Jurassic franchise functions as monster movies, something people seem to be forgetting.

[full lagoon]

Some kinds of supporting media do have simple portrayals of such things

[full lagoon]

Just wanted to add, a monster movie can always have a greater significance behind it, and the best of them do.

[balmy oyster]

Pacific rim was just “alien kiaju invade earth through a deepsea trench, let’s build giant robots to beat them up (and dealing with trauma!!)” and yet it’s considered one of the best movies ever

wait isn’t that just evangelion

There isn’t anything about “these are animals…they are only trying to survive…human bad let’s all die…” it’s simple and it turns out amazing because of a coherent plot, likeable characters, and great monster designs

[full lagoon]

to be completely fair it was well made and had awesome portrayals for both the monsters and humans as well

[little mauve]

Would love to see Del Toro's take on dinos

[full lagoon]

if you think this is what i'm saying, i think you are mistaken, while these issues and themes are definitely important, i'm not being "anti human" just asking for better portrayals of creatures, which applies to both monsters and animals.

[little mauve]

https://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/flowervale-street-plot-revealed-for-j-j-abrams-dinosaur-survival-movie/

[balmy oyster]

Okay maybe I did get a little carried away, but my point was that while movies with deeper themes that include monsters or regular animals are always appreciated and when done well can be amazing, a lot of more simpler movies as long as they have good writing can also turn out significantly really good.

I too wish the JW franchise would portray dinosaurs in a less “grrr we only kill and eat innocent things!!!” way, and rebirth did a pretty substantial job of this & had normal behaving dinosaurs but still with elements from said JW franchise

[full lagoon]

Exactly what I was saying man. Also I feel like more nuanced human/animal conflicts could POTENTIALLY have a place in JW anyways due to the nature of the dinosaurs being loose and whatnot. It could open the door to something more unique and fresh.

[little mauve]

The Hatchling was a great indie short film that kind of felt like a "what if" the Jurassic series had taken a more interesting and effective direction

[charred hearth]

who's the biggest " potential man " dinosaur?

[hardy sentinel]

What is an Edmusthosaurus

[opaque kayak]

Might unironically be Sigilmassasaurus when it comes down to random dragments being assigned it

Either a random neck bone on the low end, or; Multiple leg bones, caudal verts, dorsal verts, some ribs, some gastralia, cervical series, multiple robust neural spines, and a weird looking skull with decent material

[queen vortex]

I want someone to imagine a deinocheirus dropkicking a tarbosaurus

[thorn grove]

I didn't realize people found Edmusthosaurus this funny

[hardy sentinel]

Can I be in the know of what Edmusthosaurus is or is it gonna be forever niche

Google just keeps asking me if mean Edmontosaurus

[thorn grove]

like 3 years ago discourse around giant Edmontosaurus specimens (namely X-Rex as well as Becky's Giant) that got some goofy overestimates on top of already being huge became relatively mainstream and people would talk about how Edmontosaurus was actually super dangerous to T. rex and people compared them to elephants saying they would go into musth and slaughter T. rex unprovoked, hence "Edmusthosaurus"

bare in mind even with these overestimates and T. rex not having as large of specimens at the time it was still only like a 2:1 ratio

[hardy sentinel]

Thanks gang

[zealous ravine]

Did a thing

[fluid inlet]

Any recent rugops skeletal

[fluid inlet]

Where would this new theropod from the Triassic period rank at the food chain ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cre5wqqgdp9o.amp

Holy moly finally identifying it 125 years later…. We cooked

Like that’s pretty big for a Triassic period Dino

[full lagoon]

That looks quite similar to a ceratosaurus, which is a pretty interesting speculation choice.

If it is even supposed to be newtonsaurus at all...

[zealous ravine]

This is Saltriovenator lol, it's earliest Jurassic

[fluid inlet]

What is bro yapping about https://www.earth.com/news/newtonsaurus-forgotten-dinosaur-fossil-reveals-a-giant-triassic-predator/

[zealous ravine]

the jaw is Newtonsaurus, the skeletal you sent is Saltriovenator lmao

This was my Newtonsaurus recon

[fluid inlet]

Ah I just realized I sent the wrong ss it was apart of this tweet https://x.com/dinoh555/status/1967258584905027981?s=46

Dactylioceras🇵🇸 (@Dinoh555)

A) Rhaetian-Aged Newtonsaurus (By cisiopurple; https://t.co/NVsn0Rsk49)
B) Unusually Giant Hettangian Megalosauripus from Poland (https://t.co/4mLBA80wNK)
C) Saltriovenator, Early Sinemurian

Add to it Giant Liliensternus and 50 cm Norian tracks

Yees, I see a pattern

X · Sep 14, 2025, 4:06 PM

[zealous ravine]

Fair

[coral forge]

bros worse than tameryraptor 💔

[frigid delta]

that is NOT my Moschops
bring my therapsid boy back 😭

[ashen wedge]

Dam, that’s weird looking thick Moschops, but I think Google be hitting the bong too much

[sudden wind]

https://tenor.com/view/pukekolawg-gif-2219179965988616935

[tough parcel]

[tough sleet]

this is very smart but also very dangerous

[tardy dune]

A real dinosaur

[ashen wedge]

Ain’t all birds dinosaurs?

[native kindle]

yes

[frigid delta]

i want to kick this guy for some reason

try me

[drowsy venture]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-revolution-dinotasia-eoraptor-gif-27027014

[balmy oyster]

Hate to burst your bubble but this does NOT look like a raptor. 😭 allat yapping just for this goober

[hazy basalt]

if you cross your eyes and squint it kinda sorta looks like a raptor.

[balmy oyster]

Now there’s two of it! Things are getting out of hand!

[patent mist]

kind of looks like a raptor, just not a dromaeosaur
https://lazoo.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Bateleur-Eagle-JEP_3970-e1685045390827.jpg

[open compass]

This

[plush fossil]

I love this thing

[sudden wind]

My favorite raptors : the shrikes

In order :

• Brown backed shrike (Lanius cristatus)
• Red backed shrike (Lanius collurio)
• Northern shrike (Lanius borealis)
• Gray backed shrike (Lanius tephronotus)

[lost moon]

I love the logger-headed shrike, they live in my area and they’re pretty funky

[balmy oyster]

Valid point

[fierce quarry]

I read that DB made their Edmontosaurus strictly quadruped because it is based on recent studies on them apparently proving that no adult Edmontosaurus could run bipedaly. Is it still true ?

Not a jab at DB, I'm just so used of seeing Edmontosaurus run bipedaly in media, and some very accurate (Prehistoric Kingdom for example)

[stiff osprey]

we have no reason to believe that it couldn't move bipedally, although evidence suggests it was quadrupedal most of the time (same for any other hadrosaur)

[white matrix]

doesnt make sense that theyre to trying to go for accuracy when their model doesnt really represent that

[full lagoon]

I would assume that something the size of edmontosaurus would definitely do better running on all fours, especially the really large ones

[white matrix]

@hallow spear thoughts? made it more like sophie

[full lagoon]

Were the plates near the tails of some stegosaurus really that large?

[white matrix]

the biggest plate was over the base of the tail which is kinda weird if you ask me because they kinda hinder movement...

[full lagoon]

What makes us think that the orientation is different than what we assumed before?

[white matrix]

sophie iirc

[full lagoon]

Just the individual or for the species as a whole?

[stiff osprey]

the largest plate has always been at the base of the tail (look closely at Roadkill), it just happens that Sophie has that plate proportionally taller

[white matrix]

i guess whole for now but every plate can be different i guess? same way that not every bull has the same horns or every elephant has the same tusks

it's still weird how the biggest is in the tail tho

[full lagoon]

I think the posture and height just threw me off actually, and I believe there's a significant amount of variation between individual dinosaurs.

[white matrix]

i also made my plates bigger than these https://discordapp.com/channels/537375400867659875/542776901442338816/1419771186895650847 to account for the keratin they would have on them. @stiff osprey are these an okay size?

[full lagoon]

I'm curious as to what a more natural idle stance would look like for a stegosaurus, I'd assume the tail would curve downwards quite a bit.

[stiff osprey]

they do look kind of small to me

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I’d reckon that too

[full lagoon]

Also it looks like the largest of plates on your model could be moved up a bit based on this @white matrix

[pliant cedar]

terrifying feathered mosasaur

other than the feathers how accurate is this

[hardy sentinel]

Was Torvosaurus tanneri bigger than Allosaurus anax?

[balmy oyster]

holotype of anax, yes

[white matrix]

no this is best

[fluid inlet]

Torvosaurus owns you and your whole bloodline

[balmy oyster]

This is why it evolved into spinosaurus…😞

[pliant cedar]

dinosaurs are a hoax

[fluid inlet]

They aren’t they lived 6000 years ago

[full lagoon]

Top ten ragebait

[sly viper]

Like a guy in a cave 300 years ago

[wind prairie]

don't fall for that 'ol devil's tricks bruther

[frigid delta]

is megalosauroid the evidence Megalosaurus & Spinosaurus are related?

[balmy oyster]

Yes, both are megalosauroids and share a common ancestor

[fluid inlet]

Big Joe skull is interesting

[ashen wedge]

As per internet requirement…..
Joe Mama

[stiff osprey]

That is crushed asf but it would make a sick dragon design

[fluid inlet]

Can u fix it

Me trying to google big Joe and this chick pops up in half the pictures

[balmy oyster]

That explains why the mount’s skull looks weird

[stiff osprey]

Maybe this is joes mama

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I was about to try to draw it and I was like something does not feel right lmao

Big Joe got wrecked by a even bigger Torvosaurus , confirmed.

[stiff osprey]

Idk which species it is but assuming jimmadseni it would probably look like big al two

[balmy oyster]

It was stated to be jimmadsenni

[stiff osprey]

evidence that i know allosaurus skulls after all...

[fluid inlet]

Wonder which allosaurus specimen we have at the Houston museum

[stiff osprey]

this guy?

[fluid inlet]

Just seen apparently big Al 2 yep

[stiff osprey]

yeah idk why the skull looks weird the other reconstruction of it looks normal

[tight kettle]

A general reminder to please keep this channel on topic with real-life paleontology.

[warped peak]

People regularly discuss JP and JW without much concern but I make 1 joke that was contextually appropriate and the whole conversation gets deleted

[ancient crystal]

The straw that broke the kookaburra's back 🥀

[warped peak]

Don't worry, the Tyrannosaurus loses to the Grizzly bear thanks to mammalian cunning

[thorn grove]

Well you see mammals were better able to fill niches after the non-avian Dinosaurs went extinct than birds were, ergo mammals are superior to birds and since birds are Dinosaurs that must mean mammals are superior to all Dinosaurs, ergo a bear can defeat a T. rex in single combat

[fluid inlet]

Bear still alive Rex ain’t

[hardy sentinel]

How accurate is the isle's hypsilophodon (if we ignore the feathers)

[frigid delta]

any news abt Dakotaraptor's validity?

[hardy sentinel]

still owned by a private greedy guy

[balmy oyster]

POT moderation to ya

Either that or the same thing happens but you get timed out for 5 minutes while the guy who was continuously arguing gets off fine

[frigid delta]

i should've known 🤦‍♂️

[balmy oyster]

all we know is

large hell creek dromaeosaur probably exists...I think...

[white matrix]

more like deinonychus sized

[astral valve]

Is allosaurus anax real now?

[thorn grove]

deinonychus is pretty big

[sharp dragon]

That's still huge.

I love how paleontology is the only science where someone can be talking about a "small predatory animal", and then proceed to describe a 7 meter long animal that dwarfs all modern macropredators.

"Oh this is a fairly mid sized ceratopsian."
Proceeds to describe 4 ton animal.

[balmy oyster]

kind of, kind of not?

holotype is flimsy & depending on what happens with sauroph, it could as easily be dismantled

[astral valve]

So basically allosaurus anax is just a theory?

[thorn grove]

everything is just a theory

[balmy oyster]

…a DINO THEORY!!!

[thorn grove]

https://tenor.com/view/just-a-theory-matpat-fnaf-movie-matthew-robert-patrick-gif-8650789653163891524

thanks for watching

[fluid inlet]

Proof that mapu would take on argent

[warm saddle]

How big was deinonychus like can you show pic?

[jagged trellis]

( ik this is a joke but the badger survives being kicked several times in the full vid until the elephant buggers off)

[fluid inlet]

He probably died later on I would be very surprised if it didn’t . Bro got stomped on.

[white matrix]

150 pounds isnt huge to me
4 tons isnt medium sized either

[patent mist]

here; this is deinobellator using acheroraptor skull material. this is about the closest you're going to get to a modern dakotaraptor. I don't know how much of dakot is actually dromaeosaur due to it being a chimeric taxa in private hands, but afaik the teeth are. maybe a vertebra as well. This matches up with the tooth scaling.

[fluid inlet]

Same

[jagged trellis]

i mean maybe yeah
even without the: omg honey badger would survive a nuke glaze they get
still relatively bulky bros
and still an elephant punting it
so a good maybe yeah

[white matrix]

when referencing dinosaur weights 2-3 tons is medium
id say 4+ huge
under 2 is small
but a dinosaur that i can pick up is especially small

[fluid inlet]

I’m real shocked the honey badger 🦡 decided to square up especially after the first stomp.

Call me crazy but maybe he wanted to be taken out his misery after the stomp. Idk.

[ancient crystal]

It probably had something wrong with it

[charred hearth]

does this pokemon ressemble any prehestoric elephants

[stuck hare]

yes but the ears are actually kinda accurate i just realised

[warm saddle]

Donphan reminds me of masstodon

[hazy basalt]

How long until we get titanosaur mod that fights like this instead of relying on stationary stomps and their comparatively stubby tail and fighting as if they’re a diplodocid?

[warped peak]

Camara:

[charred hearth]

okay but why did the badger do that

[balmy oyster]

They hate everything

[warped peak]

(rabies)

[charred hearth]

is the elephant gonna get rabies now too? 🙁

[river plinth]

welcome to earth

[river plinth]

probably darwins decease

[tough parcel]

“Depending on what happens with Saurophaganax”

The holotype is objectively just no bueno and that won’t change no matter how many Twitter posts by FossilCrates keep pushing for Saurophaganax

Truly the most diagnostic bone in the Allosauroidea

[thorn grove]

cheese

[queen vortex]

Guys is there a scientifically accurate Spinosaurus figure in this universe

[pliant cedar]

no matter how much we study paleontology we will never get the full picture

[queen vortex]

I need one

[pliant cedar]

this is good, i kinda doubt that spino's appearance will change too drastically

[queen vortex]

Could suchomimus jaws open 90 degrees btw

[balmy oyster]

spino's appearance hasn't changed majorly in over 6 years, so we should be in the clear

[pliant cedar]

we are not ready for feathered spino

[astral valve]

Feathered spino

[coral forge]

how much carcha material is there in total? Is it just a nasals, maxilla, lacrimal, jugal and postorbital bone?

[balmy oyster]

Yea it’s just the top part of the skull

[coral forge]

so its only those 5 bones (or 6 if you count the holotype) and the rest got reclassified as tameryraptor?

[balmy oyster]

Holotype? The “holotype” is the “neotype” skull, true “holotype” is just teeth from yet another separate formation

[coral forge]

Didn't the original holotype that got bombed have a single skull bone?

[balmy oyster]

Well, yes tamery did have the nasal bone preserved

[coral forge]

oh the nasal bone is also tamery? I thought it was just the leg and vertebrae

[tough parcel]

The entirety of the Carch "holotype" was turned into Tameryraptor

[balmy oyster]

Tamery is the nasal & whatever postcrania there was (also maxilia I forgot that one)

[coral forge]

ooooh ok

[queen vortex]

This might be true but at the same time I also think it’s might be false

Because I think that Spinosaurus would most likely have scales since their mouths are shaped like a crocodile even tho I have no idea if Spinosaurus are related to crocodiles and crocodiles have scales so I think that Spinosaurus would most likely not have feathers

[astral valve]

I think it’s a crocodilian duck

[queen vortex]

If it’s a crocodilian duck, don’t duck have feathers? But at the same time, crocodiles have scales..

[deft echo]

Well..somone said its a goose not duck

[coral forge]

but ducks also have scales

[queen vortex]

Ducks have scales only on the feet

[coral forge]

feathers are technically modified scales too

[queen vortex]

Fair

[balmy oyster]

Spino’s jaws are more shaped like a bottom dwelling eel then they are to crocodiles.

Only reason it’s compared to a crocodile is because both are somewhat related and both live with water.

[sharp dragon]

Identity theft. 🫵

This man is FALSE.

[queen vortex]

Is that you brother

[sharp dragon]

I am not your brotha, i am what you aspire to be!
You take my name in vain? woe be upon ye.

[queen vortex]

“Dinosaur” 🥀

[balmy oyster]

Eurhinosaurus on the right…why does it say “DINO…”

[snow python]

Do we have any ceratosaurus specimen bigger than 7m?

[tough parcel]

If you play pretend sure, but otherwise not really

[undone rapids]

There's a femur slightly longer than the Holotype in the recent Cerato histology, so if you scale it to that you get a ceratosaurus of a whopping..... 7.2 meters

[stiff osprey]

much like the idea of theropods larger than tyrannosaurus, ceratosaurus larger than 7m are a popular idea that pops up every couple years and it either falls apart when looked at with any scrutiny or is based on like hypothetical partial centrum measurements

[undone rapids]

Everytime a Ceratosaurus grew to 7 meters in length, a tree fell on it to prevent it from growing any larger

[frigid delta]

HEY
WHO ARE YOU?!

[brave nova]

The goat returned

[frigid delta]

erm
if the bottom is aegyptiacus
does that scimitar crest is maroccanus?

[undone rapids]

Top one Is from Niger, While the bottom is probably based on the Neotype from Morrocoo

[brave nova]

Oh it’s from Niger, I thought it was also in Morocco
Rip

[undone rapids]

There's a small chance it could be from the same formation as Sucho which'd be pretty cool

but its probably from the higher formation, they've found some carch stuff too and alot of sauropods

If you wanna read more about it : https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/sahara-desert-dinosaurs-cretaceous-paleontology

55000 kg of Bones, pretty insane

[brave nova]

The paper finally dropped?

[undone rapids]

Nope, its just info from the article above

[coral forge]

Just saw someone say the carnian pluvial event happened in the permian 3.8 billion years ago and lasted for 300 million years 💔

[opaque kayak]

Why could they be the same size 🤔

[stiff osprey]

afaik the scimitarhead specimens are consistently smaller than the neotype, so why this one is scaled to MSNM size is unclear

[opaque kayak]

Sereno did say he found multiple specimens, and that they were "the same size as the morroccan ones" so maybe,...? (ik you can execute me)

[stiff osprey]

maybe they are similar to the average morrocan spino and they scaled it up because uhh individual variation

or maybe it isn't MSNM size and i just have no depth perception

[opaque kayak]

Also someone already made a diagram oh lol nvm it's old

[undone rapids]

There's a vid on his stories, it seems about as long as a person iirc(nvm, seems a good bit shorter than that so these are probably Neotype Spino sized)

[frigid delta]

found my old drawing of Majungasaurus
this was like in 2020 lol i am so bad at dinosaur anatomy back then 💀🙏

[crystal dock]

WHAT this is perfect

[ancient crystal]

The spitting image of majungasaurus

[warped peak]

This is better than Majungasaurus

[static widget]

He's going in my saved images to look at when sad lol

[ancient crystal]

It reduced majungasaurus down to its core characteristics to show us who it truly is

In other words it is art

[native kindle]

the fact everything else is actually quite good is funny

[coral forge]

Tiktok powerscalers have discovered the acro trackway and are already using it to say acro can jump and singlehandedly kill adult sauroposideon which means it's the only animal that has fossil evidence of being able to kill an argentinosaurus solo 💔

[crystal dock]

It's TikTok, this isn't a surprise to nobody

[balmy oyster]

Apparently the sauropod it was hunting didn’t really care too much and probably just bumped it away suddenly when it tried to attack

[ancient crystal]

Tik tok paleo fans are dumber than the rocks they powerscale

[full lagoon]

Lmao

[still prairie]

Speaking of majunga whats its current best skeletal we have?

[undone rapids]

The one by Scott hartman

[astral spindle]

Including UCRC PV12?

[coral forge]

yeah
ive even seen people say that the sauroposideon was in horrible danger because it was moving faster than they've ever seen a sauropod move (it wasnt even walking it was ambling at best)

[tough parcel]

When I say holotype, I mean the holotype

When I say neotype, I mean the neotype

UCRC PV12 (is that even the name anymore?) is the neotype and thus is not what I mean

[astral spindle]

Oh okay.

[coral forge]

saw someone say allo fragilis beats spino mid diff because "spino isn't built to kill terrestrial prey but allo is built to kill things larger than it"

[zealous ravine]

New megaraptoran with adult cranial material, this is the second megaraptoran to preserve a maxilla and the first adult maxilla, really huge stuff. It’s called Joaquinraptor.

[undone rapids]

It was found with a Croc leg in its Jaws

[fierce quarry]

Apparently new Spinosaur material from Brasil too

[coral forge]

bro is giant

[coral forge]

please be oxalaia please be oxalaia please be oxalaia

[prisma hawk]

Sorry it’s 2025 every fossil gets its own genus and species now

[tough parcel]

Bro says this as if Oxalaia isn't horrible material to begin with

[primal ice]

New megaraptor nice I love these guys

[zealous ravine]

Nah but Oxalaia deserves to die tbh

[opaque kayak]

The unicorn

[coral forge]

just give it 3 more bones so I can tell oxalaia haters on tiktok that if they think oxalaia is invalid they also cant say carcha beats spino because according to them its also invalid

[balmy oyster]

Oxalaia is significantly more horrid than carcha, so not a very good comparison

Either way now we can properly scale spinosaurus arms and legs. Hoping the description doesn’t take too long cus we all know spino’s “big year” happened for quite a while now.

[fierce quarry]

Oh ? What's that ?

[balmy oyster]

The new spinosaur species (not to be confused with the even newer one from Brazil)

[opaque kayak]

Fossilized head of a unicorn

[fierce quarry]

Spinosaur sweep

[coral forge]

I mean the only argument ive seen for oxalaia being invalid is it having 2 bones so if we find 3 more it will have the same amount of bones as carcha which by tiktok logic would make carcha invalid

[opaque kayak]

I mean I'm not even sure it's diagnostic

[ancient crystal]

I feel like the greater problem is that its mostly a big pile of ash now

[stiff osprey]

he blew up, as all true Spinosaurus do

[opaque kayak]

This implys either that the neotype is not a spinosaurus or that it's yet to be blown up

[tough parcel]

I'm 90% sure they managed to save it but it literally looks like a solid chunk of charcoal now so any diagnostic traits it had are uh...not there

[ancient crystal]

No, no, its a trial by fire. One specimen must brave the flames so that the rest are safe.

What this actually implies is that Spinosaurus and Oxalaia are the only valid spinosaurs

[tough parcel]

This implies the new spinosaur is indeed Oxalaia and not a new species unless it blows up

[ancient crystal]

Everything is either spinosaurus or oxalaia now

[balmy oyster]

2 bones, 1 left, damaged by a fire.

[fluid inlet]

Ya buddy get short spino legs outta here https://x.com/thedarknix/status/1970511093182406894?s=46

The Darknix (@TheDarknix)

NEW MATERIAL FROM BRAZILIAN SPINOSAURID.

It was presented on TV so we have to wait more to see which species or genus is.

Check the link for more data: https://t.co/dzetV1SUCQ

#dinosaur #paleontology #Brazil

X · Sep 23, 2025, 3:30 PM

[opaque kayak]

Bro when pulling something not spinosaurus 💔

[balmy oyster]

I’m certain it’s confirmed the legs are apart of spinosaurus’s neotype by now, so I don’t see why there’s still a debate on this

[undone rapids]

It would be quite funny if only the Morrocco Neotype Spino species has short legs and everything else has more normal proportions

[ancient crystal]

Turns out ot wasn't the sail that was for sexual display but the legs

[charred hearth]

whats the more accurate baby carno?

[undone rapids]

The first one I feel, but we dunno much on baby Abelis

[balmy oyster]

Neither cus we have no baby carno, let alone a second specimen 🤓

(Though speculatively speaking, likely the left one since it follows general theropod ontogeny)

[charred hearth]

what were more common in south america, megaraptorids or abelisaurids?

[balmy oyster]

Abelisaurs

[coral forge]

well theres only 14 megaraptors in total so they arent really all that common to begin with

[charred hearth]

this is gonna stupid but a sauropod bite hurt?

[coral forge]

yes.

[balmy oyster]

Yes, especially if camara

[charred hearth]

Get bit by a camarasaurus or a edmontosaurus

[outer tusk]

no

[coral forge]

being bitten by any multi ton animal would hurt like hell

[fluid inlet]

This is the correct answer

[outer tusk]

only issue is that said multi ton animal have tiny ass head compared to their body and their bite aren't all that

[coral forge]

only issue is that you are a tiny human
humans arent strong biters compared to our body but we could still bite a rat's head off which are larger in comparison to us than we are to things like diplodocus
strength relative to your size does not matter at all when you are over 200x the size of the thing you are attacking

[tough parcel]

Problem is we have robust skulls and chew

Sauropods lack both of these

[coral forge]

would that still matter even if you are several hundred times the size of who you are biting
like even if you arent adapted for biting well, you can still deal a lot of damage to something if its a fraction of a percent of your size

like the average human is 0.48% the size of even a small sauropod like diplodocus so im not sure they would need to be adaptation for biting to do some damage

[fluid inlet]

This sums it up

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/23/science/megaraptor-fossil-crocodile.html?fbclid=IwdGRleAM_3dBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHjwK1V4S-zQv_HpbPA_ukeSqX825oEve3rdP8Ws70zz2zfLmxYfZVkt6chrA_aem_eV69H_aOb82F_4JTwY1Jiw Ooft new megaraptor ?

[coral forge]

yeah, size means a lot when it comes to the strength of something
like stoats have stronger bites relative to their body size than tigers which is how they can kill things 20x their size in 1 bite, but they would barely do anything to a human considering they're only 200g

[balmy oyster]

Amazing material for megaraptoran standards.

[stiff osprey]

Dying with a croc arm still stuck in its mouth is insane aura

[fluid inlet]

“Joaquin” we running out of dinosaur names ? Lol

[stiff osprey]

It's the discoverer's son's name, kid now has his own dinosaur

[fluid inlet]

Okay that’s dope I guess I ain’t mad at it

[coral forge]

I mean its better than some dinosaurs named after the discoverer's son
-# cough cough timimus

[stiff osprey]

can't beat Leaellynasaura though that was 10/10

[fluid inlet]

Newtonsaurus wasn’t a cool name either but hey at least new dinosaurs so I ain’t complaining

[coral forge]

yeah thats one of the only good ones
if you wanna count reptiles in general then attenborosaurus is a great one too

wait weren't timimus and laeallynasaura named by the same guy

[stiff osprey]

Very funny if true, timimus son and leaellynasaura daughter

Yup not only was it the same guy but his wife coauthored both papers

[wind prairie]

people who powerscale animals, or even anything real, need to pack it up bro 🥀

[coral forge]

pretty sure he also named a dinosaur after a company that funded one of his digs or smth

yeah atlascopcosaurus and qantassaurus

[white matrix]

spino got buffed! stego got buffed!

[wind prairie]

bro wdym, they're still short lol

[coral forge]

its always the ones who know nothing about the actual animals too
"acro could leap so it could just jump onto a t.rex's back and knock it over, 1 shotting it"

[outer tusk]

koolasuchus is another one

[sudden wind]

mogging bird

[charred hearth]

give me one arguement why its okay to let your dromeosaurids outside where they can be hit by a car or kill local wildlife

[balmy oyster]

Coyote food 😇

[stiff osprey]

me raising a 100kg deinonychus and letting it outside to eat the coyotes

sometimes it eats people too but skill issue

[coral forge]

idk if you should be overfeeding your deinonychus like that tbh

[stiff osprey]

but wholesome chonker reddit 100

[charred hearth]

it dosent matter if my deinonychus is overweight, struggles to breaht and has intense pressure on its bones, reddit gold is worth it

[fluid inlet]

That’s not short little mammal

[white matrix]

@stiff osprey @hallow spear are the tail spikes okay?

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/unumihaimedia/status/1970506865030132205?s=46

unumihai Media (@unumihaimedia)

The discovery of Joaquinraptor casali, a 23-foot-long theropod dinosaur with “claws like hedge trimmers,” in Patagonia reveals that this apex predator thrived just before the mass extinction that ended the reign of the dinosaurs.

X · Sep 23, 2025, 3:13 PM

[winter marsh]

nah it shouldve been named mangosixtysevenrex skibidiesnsis

[hollow vigil]

this makes me want to cry

[winter marsh]

humanity is doomed and there is no salvation, accept it

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Dawn's Dimetrodon?
atleast its a carnivore now

[wind prairie]

a small price to pay for coyote population control

https://tenor.com/view/coyote-coyotes-coyotepet-coyote-pet-pet-coyote-gif-13131904351791688723

[queen vortex]

I finally found a accurate spino figure that can articulate

[topaz shell]

They have a different one

[queen vortex]

What

[topaz shell]

They do have a rebirth version but personally I’d get this one

[queen vortex]

I dont rlly like the rebirth and i prefer the scientifically accurate one like how could you say no this this dude

[topaz shell]

I hope haolonggood takes another shot at spino

[queen vortex]

I feel like most people diss on Spinosaurus

[topaz shell]

My only problem with pnso theropods is that 90% of them are lipless
(Not the spinosaurs)

[queen vortex]

Sometimes when I scroll through some shops I get to see other types of dinosaur with great articulation but when it comes to the Spinosaurus, I only could find one that could only articulate its jaw 🥀

[topaz shell]

BOTM will have one

Only catch is that itll be over $100

[dusky jay]

I have this figure, I love the rebirth Spino but the realistic style is also really beautiful, and PNSO did phenomenally with this model, literal work of art, it looks far better in person than in pictures

[queen vortex]

If the limbs, legs, tail, neck and jaw articulates I’m buying that shi

[topaz shell]

This is an example of BOTM articulation

[queen vortex]

F yuh im buying that

[topaz shell]

Another example

[dusky jay]

If youve ever had an S.H. Monster arts Godzilla figure picture that level of articulation but dinosaurs not Godzilla, always wanted a BOTM

[queen vortex]

Are they making the Spinosaurus like rn

[topaz shell]

Maybe idk

[queen vortex]

you know.. you know where you are with….

Guys I can’t tell the difference between a Spinosaurus and this thing “oxalaia”

[wind prairie]

spinosaurus is a well studied dinosaur from africa, oxalaia was a couple fragments of bone in south america that got burned in a museum fire

[dusky jay]

Although Spinosaurus is decently fragmentary but we have a pretty good picture of it, Oxalaia is a lot, lot more fragmentary and we don’t really know what it is, but from what we do know of it, it is the closest thing to Spinosaurus if it is not just a separate species of Spinosaurus, speculating on it being or not being Spinosaurus is something we can do after we have more of Oxalaia

[queen vortex]

So does that mean oxalaia have a spine like the Spinosaurus? I see many pictures of it

[dusky jay]

Maybe, we really don’t know, not something we can determine right now

[queen vortex]

Why do people say that oxalaia has a spine like Spinosaurus even tho we don’t know it

[dusky jay]

Especially considering the very new Brazilian findings from today haven’t been described yet and we don’t know if those belong to Spinosaurus proper or Oxalaia, so we simply do not know right now

[queen vortex]

Ts so confusing

[dusky jay]

Safety, we know Oxalaia (from what little we do know of it) is very very similar to spinosaurus, so similar it is arguably lumped into spinosaurus depending on who you ask, so given this its about assuming that Oxalaia might also be similar in spine shape considering as it is right now, we have nothing of it’s spine

[queen vortex]

I just hope oxalaia doesn’t have a spine that would be very similar to the Spinosaurus

[dusky jay]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and vice versa, extremely hard thing to rule on at this stage

[balmy oyster]

Not bad

[queen vortex]

RAAAAH SPINOSAURIDS ARE SO HARD TO STUDY ISTG

[balmy oyster]

Considering how both the holotype & “neotype” are quite different from one another (not even mentioning all the random robust/slender morph spines scattered around) I’m willing to bet oxalaia would’ve been quite different too

[dusky jay]

Really? Where have you heard this, I would love to see this

Not trying to sound dismissive, genuinely curious as I haven’t heard this before

[queen vortex]

THEY ARE SO CUTE AWWWW I CANT

[coral forge]

the hell did bro do to you

[balmy oyster]

Quillkin was the sauropod

[coral forge]

Is there any news on that new Brazilian spinosaurid? Like what actually is it, basal spinosaurid, basal spinosaurine or spinosaurin?

[undone rapids]

It wasn't supposed to be public yet, still being worked on. Both Spino stuff I mean

[coral forge]

gatekeeping dinosaurs in the big 25 💔 🥀

[queen vortex]

Guys is there a pachycephalosauridae that looks like this, if there is tell me the name

[coral forge]

I dont think any dinosaur looks like a giant pile of poop

[coral forge]

Pachycephalosaurus Spinifer (formerly stygimoloch) since thats literally what yhe subspecies is

[queen vortex]

Alr thanks

[frigid delta]

wow what a far cry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolosaurus

[dusky jay]

From yesterday? It’s being posited as either spinosaurus or oxalaia from the skeletal shown (which was NOT supposed to be shown yet as the team have not described it yet)

According to Paul Sereno that is

[ancient crystal]

You could say its a bit of a stretch.

Get it? Cuz, like, it has the skin stretched between its legs

[crystal dock]

Okay unc

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/sardoche-sard-scare-sard-jumpscare-sardoche-jumpscare-sard-peur-gif-19012181

[tough parcel]

No clue if you or anyone else currently active knows but this (the flying ankylosaur) was made up intentionally. The original image is a "spot the fake" page from a children's book

[coral forge]

is there an average length for both trike species?

[hardy sentinel]

Big

[tough parcel]

You're funny if you think Triceratops is well-described enough to get an average in the first place beyond a generalization

[coral forge]

b-but lots of material surely equals we know a lot about it right....?

[coral forge]

does prorsus even have a single length estimate

[tough parcel]

I wanna say 8m but horridus and prorsus are like the same size so it really doesn't matter

[coral forge]

alr

[hardy sentinel]

Edmontosaurus slams T.rex son or dinosaurs didn't exist daughter

[crystal dock]

Oh that's a tough one

[ancient crystal]

I actually think I'd take dinosaurs didn't exist daughter

[coral forge]

abortion

[ancient crystal]

Actually yeah, that one

[coral forge]

ain't no way people think this is a close fight 💔

[ancient crystal]

They only see the first three specimens, and only if they're further upsized by at least a factor of 2

[opaque kayak]

Bro I thought this was a titanoboa silhouette because of the length of the edmontosauruses 😭

[coral forge]

they think MOR 1142 is the average
I got called stupid for mixing up E. Regalis and E. Annectens when I said annectens doesnt even hit 6 tons on average

[coral forge]

Yeah I did it on a plane today so its not very clear. Im gonna add some more colors soon

[hardy sentinel]

Imagine if X-Rex was just a male Edmonto and the other ones were all somehow just female (coping)

[astral spindle]

Elephant seal sorta dimorphism

[coral forge]

should I just make them rainbow colored or smth or should I color code them based on specimen names

like MOR = red, Hanson Ranch = blue ect

[coral forge]

Imagine if X-Rex was just one of the only recorded cases of gigantism in non avian dinosaurs considering there are like a ton of specimens

[ancient crystal]

X-rex lives up to its name and, by some impossible scenario ends up actually being Tyrannosaurus

Crushing the dreams of the Edmusthosaurus fans

[hardy sentinel]

That would be peak

Or what if X-Rex is just an extremely lost time travelling Shantungosaurus

[ancient crystal]

Saw an unfortunate reddit post about X-rex when I looked it up and the first comment is, "Imagine being the poor rex that tried to hunt this, RIP."

[hardy sentinel]

The only time Hadrosaurs would regularly slime Tyrannosaurs is when it wasn't a T.rex

[coral forge]

would X-Rex even beat a tyrannosaurus though lol
theres only a 2 ton weight difference and edmont doesnt exactly have much weaponry

[ancient crystal]

Imagine if the shant specimens we have are just the X-rexes of the genus and it was actually a lot smaller than we thought

[hardy sentinel]

I choose to believe Shants are roaming in large herds decimating plant life and not being preyed on by Zhuchengs

[ancient crystal]

I've said this before, but in a hypothetical scenerio where running away wasn't an option and the two had to fight (so basically the scenerio all these powerscaling weirdos think hunting usually is), edmontosaurus never survives an encounter with a similarly sized tyrannosaurus.

[hardy sentinel]

You're ignoring the factor that gives Edmonto the win here

I'd be there

[coral forge]

I don't think any hadrosaur is beating any tyrannosaur who is within 20% its size in a head on 1v1

[coral forge]

don't we have direct evidence of large shant herds

[hardy sentinel]

hence why I said I choose to believe it (which I was joking about)

[coral forge]

Reddit is also what made me realise esmont wasnt 10+ tons

this post specifically

[tough parcel]

Society

[ancient crystal]

Aaaaand now I'm in this exact arguement we're making fun of in another discord.

Kill me please.

[hardy sentinel]

The Isle stained the image of the best Therizinosaur, they done turned a cold weather boi into a semi aquatic penguin mimic

[coral forge]

beipi isn't even top 5 therizinosaurs

[hardy sentinel]

He is tiny, goofy, brown and fuzzy

Beipi is peak

It goes

👑 Beipiaosaurus
🥈 Therizinosaurus
🥉 Duonychus
4th Nothronychus
5th uhhh idk the rest is mid

i'm also a sucker for small herbivores so that's a factor too

[ancient crystal]

They're trying to suggest there are prey species that kill their predators 90% of the time

[tough parcel]

Let me in please, I must get in

[ancient crystal]

I don't know why but I really dislike this way of talking about dinosaurs.

I don't even know what their arguement was.

[stiff osprey]

probably meant to talk about how prey is actually dangerous but it mostly just sounds like T.rex is a badass for regularly preying on those two

[hardy sentinel]

"Regularly preying" dawg it's a scavenger

[stiff osprey]

have you ever seen a live triceratops? they're all dead. what do scavengers eat

[ancient crystal]

Before this they were talking about how edmontosaurus could totally wash a T. rex though which is why I'm confused

[hardy sentinel]

Which discord, lemme attem

Ima send em into a rage with one sentence

[hardy sentinel]

Poor Rex is starving because it has to fight all those guys which CLEARLY kill it all the time

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/thepalass/status/1970825733804339423?s=46

The PalAss (@ThePalAss)

The first pterosaur from the Bauru Group: an azhdarchid from the Upper Cretaceous of Brazil https://t.co/34cMhUI8Um #PapersinPalaeontology @pegasaurus_42 @MF_gadelha @wileyearthspace

X · Sep 24, 2025, 12:20 PM

[hardy sentinel]

Average Brazilian formation

[fierce quarry]

Brazil for the win, again

[ancient crystal]

"A single dorsal vertebra" reads like an insult

[hardy sentinel]

They didn't even try to tell us what is of the Noasaurid

[stiff osprey]

love how i saw unenlagiine dorsal vertebra and knew what formation it was before looking at the title

[undone rapids]

Love how they specify that its just one

[hardy sentinel]

"Yeah chat I think this single vertebra is an Unenlagiid"

[ancient crystal]

It reads like it should have the vine boom sound effect accompanying it

[hardy sentinel]

we're fr clowning on a dead basal² bird thing that had no choice in it's preservation

I love the paleontology community

speaking of which is that paper on if Unenlagiids and Halszka being basal avialans accepted or is it just ignored like the rest

[stiff osprey]

they have been recovered as birds before and likely will again

probably won't be consensus though

[ancient crystal]

They're "birds but not really, well, kinda sorta they are but not" and that is the official term

[hardy sentinel]

basal² bird as I am now gonna call em

[stiff osprey]

i miss when alvarezsaurs were birds that was funny

[ancient crystal]

How diagnostic are vertebrae across different groups of animals anyway?

[stiff osprey]

If you have the neural arch preserved they can be very diagnostic, centra not so much

[hardy sentinel]

Why is the wiki page on this formation set up like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serra_da_Galga_Formation&oldid=1313111489

They got a group classed as "Ornithodirans" which is basically just a clade inside Avemetatarsalia, and so they basically got just Avemetatarsalia in there, and instead of just naming it Avemetatarsilia or dividing it up seeing as it's just a list of sauropods and a pterosaur now

I wanna make an edit but it'll lowkey probably just get denied

[stiff osprey]

avemetatarsalia is just ornithodirans + aphanosaurs, there are no aphanosaurs in that formation so labeling it ornithodira makes perfect sense

[hardy sentinel]

Worse part about that is you gotta go outside of Wikipedia to know what they're just talking about

[stiff osprey]

my guess is they didn't want to make a new category for pterosaurs of the formation because there's only one pterosaur

[hardy sentinel]

Is the page owner the only one that allows edits or is there a team at Wikipedia that can deny and allow edits to pages? I wanna edit it since I feel like going out of my way but I don't want the page owner's bias to get in the way of that

[hardy sentinel]

well thing is it's Titanosaurs, two Dromaeosaurs and a Pterosaur. You can make 3 different groups within the Ornithodirian tab but the person who made the page is just being lazy

[stiff osprey]

i guess you could do that but like lots of pages for less diverse formations just have a 'dinosaurs' or 'archosaurs' or 'mammals' category instead of splitting it as much as possible

[wind prairie]

how are the rest mid bro??
also you forgot falcarius

[thorn grove]

You say this and then 1 minute later link a post which discusses a bonebed with 55+ individuals from a single herd

[coral forge]

hence why I said we have evidence of large shant herds

[thorn grove]

what would you consider a large herd?

[coral forge]

like more than 10 animals or smth

[thorn grove]

yea and the Kogou quarry has at minimum 55 Shantungosaurus individuals in it

[coral forge]

hence why I said we have evidence of large shant herds

[thorn grove]

https://tenor.com/view/frye-dyslexic-gif-4978104

yea sorry I read that as "we don't have evidence" lmao

[fluid inlet]

Do they have any clue which crocodile species ?

That joauqinraptor had in its mouth

[coral forge]

are we sure it even is a crocodile? Because that would double the amount of time crocodiles have existed for

[stiff osprey]

it's a crocodyliform

given the size and age probably a peirosaurid, but can't get more specific than that

[vale otter]

It’s a croc limb

[coral forge]

it was found in the same place as that new pseudosuchian which is also a peirosaurid right? So is there a chance it was that?

[vale otter]

Btw the joacuinraptor surely lived with the maip macrothornax. 70 million years ago in Argentina Patagonia

[stiff osprey]

kosten? no that was from chorrillo, this is from lago colhue huapi

[vale otter]

New megaraptorian. Insane. Now we have 10 species of mega raptors 😁

[coral forge]

is it not 14

[vale otter]

I think it’s around 10 not sure

[coral forge]

theres 10 megaraptorids but 14 megaraptorans including joaquinraptor

[vale otter]

Yeah I said there is now ten species of megaraptorids that we know of now

[coral forge]

joaquinraptor isn't a megaraptorid though its a basal megaraptoran

[vale otter]

Guys we should talk abt the new pachycephpsaurid that they found

[vale otter]

It’s is a mega raptor tho. Which is cool

[coral forge]

yeah, its a megaraptoran but not a megaraptorid so it doesnt contribute to the amount of megaraptorids

[vale otter]

U sure cuz I meant mega raptors so IT does count

[wind prairie]

where are you getting this I don't think that's true
it's late maas + everything I'm seeing lists it as a megaraptorid
the paper it was literally named in calls it a megaraptorid in the title

[coral forge]

you said megaraptorid

[vale otter]

Joaquin is a megaraptorid it has all the traits features and is a close relative.

[coral forge]

random was calling it a basal megaraptor and I haven't seen anything that says otherwise

[wind prairie]

https://novataxa.blogspot.com/2025/09/joaquinraptor.html literally the paper naming it

perhaps it's a basal megaraptorid, but it's still in megaraptoridae

[vale otter]

I agree

[coral forge]

oh i never saw that

[quaint trellis]

Do you think the giga would survive I'm the hell Creek formation

[vale otter]

No. Depending on what time tho. Sorry giga lovers

[coral forge]

it would thrive

[quaint trellis]

Thanks for the answer rex

[vale otter]

Yes most likely it would and ur welcome lizard 87

[quaint trellis]

I'm ready for the new catch to come to the game

Carch

[vale otter]

How do I get rid of this timer that effects my chatting

[fluid inlet]

Why y’all arguing over silly Willy stuff

[coral forge]

it would have easy access to the main food sources of carcharodontosaurus in the form of mid sized sauropods and ornithopods
the only issue i can see is that it would be in direct competition with tyrannosaurus because they'd both be looking for edmontosaurus buffets

wait alamo isn't hell creek nvm

[vale otter]

It’s theory’s and facts

[fluid inlet]

No one can get rid of it Alderon doesn’t like fun

[coral forge]

at least its better than the 2:30 slowmode in general chat

[vale otter]

WHAT

[wind prairie]

good thing I have no desire to play or talk about the game anymore anyway

[coral forge]

oh they lowered it to 1 min

[fluid inlet]

Echoes of extinction better

[vale otter]

Is it even out yet isn’t it the demo.

[coral forge]

I keep seeing them on tiktok it looks so good
probably gonna be ages until console release though

[wind prairie]

did a mod swoop in and delete that gif or what

[fluid inlet]

Tech demo this year only there QA are able to play it right now.

[vale otter]

I deleted it because I didn’t want to get in trouble

[wind prairie]

echoes of extinction seems cool to me but so far it just seems like every other game with realistic dinosaurs.

essentially: Development is at a snail's pace, and who knows where it'll go (into the trash a lot of times)

[coral forge]

yall who would do better deinocheirus in kem kem or spinosaurus in nemegt

spino would have less competition but less food
deinocheirus would have more competition and more food

[vale otter]

Gtg guys gotta shleep for tomorrow 😔

[fluid inlet]

Na echoes looks pretty damn legit, especially for a tech demo and they got a hell of a dev team going on,

Raul Ramos who has done art for path of titans is doing the models and man they look awesome.

I also love the whole idea of tribals and dinosaurs except without the over exaggeration of ark creatures sizes.

[wind prairie]

that's how it always starts, what they always say
you know where they so often end up
🇩🇪🇻🇪🇱🇴🇵🇲🇪🇳🇹 🔥🇭🇪🇱🇱🔥

dunno why it came out that way but you know what, I like that

[ancient crystal]

Let me guess, they were complaining about stupid crap again

[wind prairie]

it'd be more of a guess to assume anything else.

[stiff osprey]

deutschlandvenezuelalosaintpierreandmiquelloent hell

[thorn grove]

real

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/4ihYiTOIBT0?si=NB1tuThCHk2aitLP to the shadow realm unfortunately

[hardy sentinel]

PBS never misses, other than when they did WWD 2025 promo

[jagged trellis]

very gru

[south canyon]

Paleontologists Discover New Species of Iguanodontian Dinosaur | Sci.News https://share.google/aqLFmsfCyBaWVBGkR

[peak mesa]

cool

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[wet star]

My bad, i had no idea. Thanks for telling me i will try to stay clear of any mistakes in the future.

[marsh tapir]

No worries. We appreciate your understanding

[wet star]

is it ok if i share some of my mod ideas for pot?

[marsh tapir]

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[wet star]

ok thanks for letting me know.

[hardy sentinel]

Hear me out chat

Fuzzy H0mo Er3ctus

[charred hearth]

how much would being bitten by a sauropod hurt?

[hardy sentinel]

about this much

[jagged trellis]

so just @limpid sun

[wind prairie]

megaraptorans are so tuff dude 🔥 I know there's a mummy in the bowels of south america we gotta find it

[balmy oyster]

new one is best we'll get for a while

[coral forge]

yall what colors would make a chart containing 59 E. Annectens specimens and a singular T. Rex easier to read

[hazy basalt]

megaraptorans will be tuff when they stop being fragmentary nonsense. 💀

[balmy oyster]

Any sort of color theory will help you here

[coral forge]

I started doing rainbow to see but idk if it will work

I mean its better than what I had at first

[frigid delta]

how long and heavy is Joaquinraptor?

[balmy oyster]

And people are saying average edmonto is larger than Rex…..

[coral forge]

thats why im making it lol
Im gonna include a greyed out average too

Should I put in all of the weights, specimen names, both or neither

[balmy oyster]

Weights might not be needed because, well…

Specimen names would be nice though

[coral forge]

ngl the square cube law is crazy because what do you mean X-Rex is 57% longer than the smallest edmont on the list but 389% heavier

I could put them into weight brackets
like draw a line separating the 3t ones from the 4t ones, the 4t ones from the 5t ones ect

[stiff osprey]

it looks like you listed rex weight based on cope/goliath but have it scaled to the holotype

the holotype is like 7.5t

[undone rapids]

Around 7 meters and a 1 tonne, its similar is size to styff like qianzhousaurus

[coral forge]

oh yeah youre right
should I keep the holotype but change the weight or swap to sue or cope

or just include Sue and cope alongside the holotype

[spice mortar]

Today I found out horses have bitey teeth

[cloud dagger]

Most mares don’t have canine teeth

[full lagoon]

It's hilarious because it's so obviously not true. Go to any museum with both specimens and it's pretty clear that rex is usually significantly larger.

I understand that people are tired of hadrosaurs being seen as "fodder" but glazing them the opposite way is just as bad and just obscures them in another manner.

I'm not saying they couldn't fight back when necessary, just disputing the assumption that they were hyper aggressive rex killers.

You don't always have to beat something in a fight to coexist with it.

[ancient crystal]

Nuance doesn't exist in this hobby I'm afraid

[full lagoon]

Unfortunately not I suppose

[cloud dagger]

I don’t think i have seen mares with canines or maybe 1-2 if i remember correctly, it is not common, as someone who has been around horses for 25 years now

[sharp dragon]

The paleo community has a bad habit of getting an inch and taking a mile with a lot of things.
E.G: Hadrosaurs/Herbivorous dinosaurs weren't incompetent, so therefore they were all violent death monsters.

[frigid delta]

nah i'm glad they're extinct
most useless animal nature has ever created, they serve nothing but as a weak food not knowing how to fight back
#bringbackfodderhadrosaur

[balmy oyster]

Kid named steller sea cow

[coral forge]

Its the jurassic park effect
jurassic park portrays herbivores as fodder and carnivores as gods but when going for a realistic approach they go too far and make herbivores gods and hadrosaurs fodder

[thorn grove]

It’s extra funny because there are Hadrosaurs with a similar or greater size ratio advantage than what people claim for edmont/rex but because it’s not rex it’s not cool enough to be worth talking about I guess

[coral forge]

people also downplay rex because its popular
people say it doesnt deserve to be a top 10 theropod because its basic even though it's literally one of the least basic animals ever

it's always used as the baseline for the "average theropod" even though nothing about it is close to average

"____ has a weak bite force, its only 10,000 newtons" because youre comparing it to t.rex 💔

[thorn grove]

It’s not average but it has kind of become the default because of it’s popularity

But it doesn’t seem fair to downplay an animal just for being popular

[coral forge]

also it isnt even the biggest Maastrichtian north American tyrannosaurine/hadrosaur size ratio

people also overrate dinosaurs because they arent popular

tiktok is doing that with acro rn

[ancient crystal]

Its a good thing I don't have tik tok

[ancient crystal]

Especially because that animal is so popular because of how not-average it is.

[opaque kayak]

I hate the fact it's funkei sized meatball

[coral forge]

done

I might have oversized cope by a tiny bit
idk

The whole thing actually took way less time than I expected
only 5:15
probably because it was literally just resizing one skeletal 59 times and adding 2 rexes

[thorn grove]

cope looks about right idk

[wind prairie]

pachycephalosaurus

[coral forge]

What would X-Rex stand for if it were an actual species

Xerxes Rex (King of all men who is a king) because its so huge
Xvir Rex (one of ten men who is a king) because gigantism is so rare
Xysticus Rex (athlete king) because hadrosaurs are good runners (kind of)

[wind prairie]

euedmontosaurus

[zealous ravine]

Heterodontosaurs are omnivores but they probably fit this best

[tough parcel]

Are you sure they're omnivorous?

[zealous ravine]

Unless some new research has dropped I'm fairly sure that's the consensus

[tough parcel]

As the wise man once said
also heterodonty is common in these things, thescelosaurs have pronounced premaxillary teeth and have a paper discussing the possibility that their teeth is being mixed with pachy teeth in the field and no ones suggesting thescelosaurus was an omnivore and no do not start now

[zealous ravine]

Fair, from what I'm seeing omnivory was proposed based on the fact that the premaxillary teeth were serrated, but it's not certain

I wouldn't be surprised if it was fully herbivorous

[coral forge]

Parapropalaehoplophorus ahh name

[balmy oyster]

Sauroedmontosaurus

[coral forge]

Microparapropalaehoplophorus
Eumicroparapropalaehoplophorus
Eoeumicroparapropalaehoplophorus
Plioeoeumicroparapropalaehoplophorus

how many prefixes can you even add that just mean "new" or "more"

[coral forge]

"lizard edmont lizard"

[wind prairie]

I'm so brainrotted plioeoeumicroparapropalaehoplophorus is not even hard to say, let alone the original word

[coral forge]

fr
im so brainrotted by paleontology I drew a phylogenetic tree of every spinosaurid and tyrannosaurid over lunch in school today 💔
im gonna go back on Monday and see if anyone removed it since it isnt in a popular classroom

random I see you typing can i ask a quick question about your allo skeletal

[stiff osprey]

One time I drew a life sized Giganotosaurus head on a blackboard on the uni corridors and it stayed there for like 4 months

also yeah sure

[coral forge]

is it outdated in terms of AMNH 680 being the largest fragilis?

[stiff osprey]

what is and isn't fragilis is a total gamble at this point, even stating that 680 is fragilis is controversial. maybe the largest fragilis is epanterias, maybe the largest fragilis is smaller than 680

[coral forge]

is fragilis really that controversial?
For something that makes up 72% of the morrison theropod fossil content I thought we'd be able to agree on it a bit more

[stiff osprey]

Allosaurus is 72% of morrison theropod content, A.fragilis is not

historically most Allosaurus material was assumed to be fragilis because there were no other allo species known from the morrison, but since the 2000s this is not the case, and any allosaur specimen without a skull is basically indistinguishable between fragilis/jimmadseni/anax

[coral forge]

so AMNH 5767 could be anax or a giant jimmadseni?

[stiff osprey]

it probably isn't jimmadseni, but it could be anax, or something new

[coral forge]

so whats the largest allo that we know is fragilis

[stiff osprey]

hell if i know

[undone rapids]

Sounds clamplicated, just lump it all into fragilis cuz why not

[balmy oyster]

Allosaurus is like triceratops

If you don’t have a skull then nothing is happening, and even then take it with some salt

[compact leaf]

allosaurus is actually a myth

[ancient crystal]

Truly a different lizard

[coral forge]

I guess you could say the way we organise it is
fragile

[stiff osprey]

you could probably look at all described allo crania and find which one is the biggest that has the characteristic jugal

but that's effort i ain't putting in (and most of the biggest allos lack skulls anyway)

[fluid inlet]

Don’t be lazy

[ancient crystal]

What's everyone think of this? I don't know much about the math behind dinosaur size estimates. They're generally saying that the largest individuals of large theropods and sauropods were potentially twice the size of the largest recovered specimens.

Earlier they cited a paper that said sauropods could get up to 1000 tons before failing on a biomechanical level (though I don't think they're claiming anything approaching a 1000 ton sauropod ever actually existed)

[undone rapids]

Yeah there was a study that kinda theorized something like this, they used Rex specimens since we have a bunch of those and compared it to gators, iirc they estimated that the largest possible rex would've been like 16 tonnes or something, would never really be preserved in the fossil record or found, but just might've existed.

Doesn't just apply to Rex ofc, they just used rex in the study

[stiff osprey]

twice the size of the largest recovered specimens is a bit excessive, as the Hone paper says, it's more like twice the ''average'' specimen

although of course if you are talking about a species that only has one specimen, the largest recovered and the ''average'' is the same thing; but it's not saying there could be tyrannosaurs twice as big as Scotty or Cope, for instance

[undone rapids]

This means 180 tonne Argentinasaurus was around.... somewhere

[stiff osprey]

The ''average'' Argentinosaurus (between three specimens) is like 70-75 tonnes, so it's not unlikely that at some point in history a 140-150 tonne Argentinosaurus could have existed, though as glaive said, it would be so rare that we will never find it

[undone rapids]

Possibly even a Ceratosaurus more than 7 meters, but that's harder to prove

[stiff osprey]

1000 tonne sauropod is another matter, as you would need tons of biomechanical studies to figure out whether a 1000 t sauropod's body would even be mobile or able to acquire food, but no one's seriously suggesting a 1000 t sauropod actually existed

[balmy oyster]

200 ton brachi femur

[stiff osprey]

if the femur alone weighed 200 t i think the full animal would be a lot larger than 1000 lmao

[ancient crystal]

Could edmontosaurus possibly represent this idea where something like X rex was approaching the largest possible E. annectans

[remote shadow]

I suspect that there isn’t a 200,000kg femur of a brachi

[stiff osprey]

we are certainly closer to finding the largest annectens ever than say, the largest Argentinosaurus ever, but how close it is to the largest possible is hard to say

(x-rex is already more than twice the ''average'' edmontosaurus, so clearly annectens was an exception to the trend of the largest individuals being double the average)

maybe annectens had lots of females and the few large specimens are males, or the population as a whole became larger/smaller over time and we only have a few samples from when it was larger

[charred hearth]

besides coloration/pattern, what made quaga's different to zebra's?

[plush fossil]

What was thought to have caused the Permian extinction again? I forgot, was it stuff to do with volcanos?

[ancient crystal]

I don't think there are too many records of quagga behavior

[charred hearth]

so a orange zebra would just be a quagga

[remote shadow]

Volcanos where involved, but not the only thing if memory serves

I want to say run away bacteria also caused the ocean ecosystem to collapse

[plush fossil]

Alright thanks!

[stiff osprey]

Siberia kind of exploded

[ancient crystal]

Well, more accurately a black and white striped quagga would be a zebra

Since the species name for both is quagga

[charred hearth]

when did the western interior seaway dissapear? did it stay after the cretascous? and for how long?

[ancient crystal]

Everything that could've gone wrong, did go wrong

[hardy sentinel]

Saw someone ask if Koleken (which was discovered at 6 years of age and was 15 feet long) could have possibly been a juvenile Carnotaurus. Both are from the same formation and are both really close relatives and known from one pretty complete holotype each

What's the likelihood that's true?

Kolken skeletal and Carnotaurus skeletal

[undone rapids]

Not very, the paper that describes Koleken goes pretty in depth on why its not a Juvinile or female carnotaurus

[hardy sentinel]

Someone suggested it as a female Carno? That's bonkers

[undone rapids]

No, the authors just wanted to shoot stuff down in advance since someone could've suggested it

[balmy oyster]

Tableseating et al. 2025

[charred hearth]

whats the difference in fuana between lower and higher hell creek

[balmy oyster]

Lower Rex has short legs & horridus is small, upper Rex gets length extension and prorsus exists

[charred hearth]

is lower/upper rex a different species like trike or no

[tough parcel]

Where is any of this coming from

[ancient crystal]

The inner machinations of his mind are an enigma

[undone rapids]

Fishy's schizo has won, he's started spliting up stuff based on vibes

[wind prairie]

rex is a species

[balmy oyster]

Nah no confirmation on any of this…yet. atm it’s just Rex

[balmy oyster]

I will never be GSP, his aura is too strong

[undone rapids]

Don't worry, you will be his successor

[ancient crystal]

GSP vs Horner vs Peters who wins?

[tough parcel]

Like in a fight? Peters with 0 hesitation

[outer tusk]

Peters negs

[warped peak]

Peters digs up Drinker and then inaccurately reconstructs him into a mecha suit

[compact leaf]

yeah dudes built for no reason

[ashen wedge]

Depressing day as we have been blessed to see Depressed Stegosaurus

[ancient crystal]

Most grotesque animal

[charred hearth]

does anyone know how tableseating was able to get alberta so small?

how did this happen??

[keen yew]

God i remember when this was created

[stiff osprey]

that isn't the size he got it to be but it was probably mistaken because alberta has notoriously horrible measurements

[native kindle]

yeah that one was corrected like a week after

[white matrix]

is the beak on my stego acceptable?

[charred hearth]

is he the one who got alberta to ( irl ) eo size?

would stegosaurus's armored neck have been used for tough plant material instead of any actual combat thing due to how light it is?

[white matrix]

wouldn't it have been covered in keratin like gila monsters? I see it being helpful against claws

whydoes no one talk about stegosaurus
its the herbivore equivalent of spinosaurus
just shows carnivores are overhyped 💔

[charred hearth]

i thought its neck ostroderms were very light?

[stiff osprey]

'why does no one talk about the third most famous herbivore of all time' is wild

[white matrix]

I dont see anyone talk about it like they do with rex, spino, argent, eo edmont or triceratops💔

meanwhile I see memes about spino changing every year yet stego does the same thing and I see nothing

[hallow spear]

I mean you do

[stiff osprey]

stego changed once in 2015 after looking the same for literally a hundred years

[hallow spear]

It’s theorised that it could have been for both, albeit I doubt it was as effective as other forms of armour considering it covers the bottom and side of the neck rather then the top

And

[white matrix]

any updates on ypm 1388? I need its validity to be proven otherwise im making this stego for nothing
I doubt alderon would make stego a 5 slot

[hallow spear]

i mean even if YPM 1388 doesnt exist, there is still large specimens that are similarly sized

& no not yet

[hallow spear]

also to be fair, the plates HAVE changed since then due to Saitta 2025, which re-evalusates the position of a bunch of them

[wind prairie]

so wait what is an accurate current stego then

[fossil ingot]

It doesn't exist

[white matrix]

^

[hallow spear]

technically no stego reference has the updates plates so, non of them lol

[charred hearth]

whats the usual number amount of plates / spikes a stegosaurid has? 18?

[fluid inlet]

Bro mad we not glazing stego

[hallow spear]

There is no usual number, it seems heavily variable honestly

[fair dome]

Volumetric analysis i did for carno

[white matrix]

well its not a bone they need and an asymmetrical osteoderm that just grows in a weird way so makes sense

what confirms that the biggest plate would be over the tail tho
wouldn't the growth be random and specific to sophie, it can grow over any part over the torso and tail

[hallow spear]

They said stegosaurid, not stegosaurus

[inner thunder]

anybody have allosarus anax latest size

[frigid delta]

accurate Rex size?

[coral forge]

I heard some stuff about upper hell creek rexes having longer legs than lower hell creek rexes. Are there any specimens/diagrams that can showcase it? Or is the difference like barely noticeable.

[tough parcel]

No because Fishy pulled it out of nowhere and never corroborated it

Unless they did and I missed it because I forgot (very possible)

[undone rapids]

It was revealed to him in a Dream

[coral forge]

It wasnt here I saw it somewhere else

[tough parcel]

Well I saw it here so I'm mentioning no source was ever provided regardless

[coral forge]

fair enough

[iron halo]

does your name refer to stegosaurid or stegosaurus though

[balmy oyster]

It was discussion in another server, specimens of Rex with similar features compared to one other tyrannosaurs were found in different statigraphical locations

Some within the lower hell creek with horridus, others in the upper with prorsus

[tough parcel]

What does this even mean

What “one other tyrannosaurs”, what “similar features”, can you conclusively prove this is a consistent trend? Or is it individual variation? Population? Age? Distortion during fossilization?

[balmy oyster]

I’ll forward you the convo in paleo database

Originally a convo about Nanotyrannus funnily enough

The convo isn’t too deep about it but it does go over things like gsp’s assessment and further research

The Rex stratigraphy comment was made prior to the day of this conversation though, but it seems to be from someone who’s pretty knowledgable on the matter

[runic rover]

Replica Giganotosaurus tooth~

[tough parcel]

My favorite part is they cite Longrich

[tough parcel]

Yea no I’m looking at this and it can easily be any of the things I mentioned here

Or it could just be how the skulls are reconstructed!!!

[foggy river]

Just so I'm understanding this...

Someone you know, that we don't know, might be reliable based on your personal opinion.

In another server, they had a conversation, although the only excerpt of the conversation you can provide is completely unrelated.

And so... that means it's reliable info

[balmy oyster]

Well it’s not like skeletals are being used to determine the information

[tough parcel]

I'm in the server hence why they forwarded it

But as I pointed out, the person their person cites is Longrich and he's not known for rigorous science nor is GSP

And I never said skeletals are being used but mounts are just as bad

[balmy oyster]

Pretty sure longrich had some good points when discussing this topic though. I get you don’t like him because of drama that happened a while ago, but it’s not a very good excuse to use to discredit things he said unless we can properly disprove them (like we have before) since I don’t think “well I don’t like him and he SUX!!!” is a good argumentative point

I’ll watch the video he made on this later since from what I heard he did make some good points regarding the topic interestingly (oops I said the same thing twice)

[tough parcel]

Sorry but if you think student abuse, ongoing plagiarism, and general professional dishonesty is just "drama" then that explains why you trust everything that goes on in that server

[balmy oyster]

Oh brother

[wind prairie]

this guy stinks!

[tough parcel]

Also as I've said before
Or is it individual variation? Population? Age? Distortion during fossilization? Can you prove any of this?

Can you prove it's not reconstruction variation or fossil warping?

This doesn't seem like I'm saying "well I don’t like him and he SUX!!!” no?

[white matrix]

@balmy oyster can I get an invite?

[sullen cairn]

Is this long legs as in like femur/tibia ratio or the gracile/robust thing

[tough parcel]

@kindred night would know more on why Longrich isn't just a poor little guy

[tough parcel]

@sharp saffron Oh of course it's the wrong ping, my bad Fiitzz

[kindred night]

Longrich actively works on forged fossils from Morocco (Xenodens) and his phylogenies are so poorly coded you can plug a watermelon into one of his matrices and it'll pop up as a hadrosaur

Not to mention this isn't just drama, Longrich lost a multi million dollar grant for actively harassing and bullying students under him.

It's not just poor conduct but a history of poor research, shady journals, and a long history of unethical science that make me take anything he says with a kilogram of salt

[tough parcel]

@wind prairie look at this as well, you seemed to be in on it

[sullen cairn]

heavens forbid a man make a spongebob joke

[bitter light]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-krabby-patty-smug-spongebob-squarepants-gif-9547716225990610286

[tough parcel]

Heaven forbid there's a time and a place

[wind prairie]

what??

[tough parcel]

Just making sure you see important information!

[wind prairie]

oh brother -> this guy stinks

[tough parcel]

Heaven forbid there's a time and place

[bitter light]

You need to repent to me the pope before mentioning the heavens child

[wind prairie]

• jarvis emote

[foggy river]

the fundamental point is important imo
theres a certain ethical responsibility and, while problematic individuals can be right about something, it doesn't mean that that info should be used without clearly contextualizing it

even if the message was in another server that some people have access to it just feels unhelpful because i thought the point was really cool but if i cant even learn anything because theres no evidence then. its a bummer. not like, evil tho.

[west drum]

Does anyone have a high quality map of Laurasia and Gondwana but it’s a flat map?

[undone rapids]

Do you have any specific Era/Time Period in mind? Since I have a few from End of Cretaceous, End of Jurrassic and End of Triassic

[fluid inlet]

Noobs

[outer tusk]

belated but the realest thing that's been said all day

[west drum]

Triassic

[coral forge]

I dont think this is accurate
The map says my town is underwater but I am very clearly on land right now

[fluid inlet]

Crazy to think the world looked so different 6000 years ago

[undone rapids]

The last one there is end of Triassic and Here is one from Start of Triassic

and Mid Triassic I guess

[charred hearth]

is there any where in the world right now which would have a similar climate and landscape to anywhere in the Triassic / Permian

[thorn grove]

speaking of paleo maps, I noticed that a lot of them depict late Campanian Shandong as an island but given the size of the fauna there that seems... kind of ridiculous

[full lagoon]

Pretty sure they don't believe in plate tectonics either man

[little mauve]

It was relatively coastal but not an island no

[charred hearth]

so, is ourano quad or bipedal?

[thorn grove]

ostensibly a bit of both but judging from its proportions and size I would guess primarily bipedal

[charred hearth]

whats everyones thoughts about bovidd's tool usage?

[thorn grove]

then again maybe not, but the front limbs just look very short in this mount

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/SouthApe/status/1971413566587834466 cows are becoming smarter...

Swamp_Ape_Science (@SouthApe)

So, like... that tool use in a boviid, isn't it?

X · Sep 26, 2025, 3:16 AM

[fluid inlet]

But when I do this it’s illegal

[wind prairie]

through your pockets and it's fine

[coral forge]

so thats what, 5 families with observed tool use?

[charred hearth]

humans , uhm, monkeys? idk probably ceteans, corvids, and now cows?

[native kindle]

have octopus not been observed with tool use? i figured that's just something they'd be doing

[coral forge]

I was thinking hominids, cebids, corvids, bovids and crocodylids
oh yeah however many families of octopi there are too

[hallow spear]

@bronze pendant @white matrix Just something I forgot to mention previously, the big tibia also seems to be acknowledged by Molina Perez, albeit with an unclear source as well
I may also try email the YPM collection manager see if i cdan find anything from there

[ancient crystal]

They have

[charred hearth]

how fast would a juvinile rex need to be to catch a struthimimus? was out-stamming it possible? or would it rely on initially being faster then its prey like a cheetah?

[winter marsh]

I think vultures use rocks to crack bones open to eat the insides. IDK if that counts as tool use but theres that

[stiff osprey]

it's unlikely to have been faster or have more stamina, probably relied on getting close and accelerating faster than its prey could react like most ambush predators

[charred hearth]

were Ornithomimidae built for speed and endurance? because i remember someone telling they could run at high speeds for shorter times then modern ungulates

[white matrix]

okay

[white matrix]

how do you know this?

[stiff osprey]

i mean whatever ostriches do is probably what they were doing

I imagine the caudofemoralis would provide more power to the back kick which could maybe make them reach higher top speed/faster acceleration. Although ostriches compensate by just having ginormous thighs

[hallow spear]

Someone working with him

[charred hearth]

would any therapod be able to reach their speeds?

[stiff osprey]

whose speeds? Ostriches?

[charred hearth]

1st - ostritch

2nd - lets say, either galli/struthi

[stiff osprey]

some ornithomimids would match or exceed ostrich speeds, and juvenile tyrannosaurs came close

Elaphrosaurus and Anzu too

[charred hearth]

i forget Elaphrosaurus exists

[stiff osprey]

everyone does

that's how you get jurassic/early cretaceous ornithomimids

[charred hearth]

so ornithomimids evolved from noasauridae?

[stiff osprey]

no, but noasaur fossils are frequently mistaken for ornithomimids because they are hollow boned gracile theropods with long necks

[charred hearth]

OH, people mistake noasauridae fossils for ornithomimids is what you meant, oopsie

[frigid delta]

y'all may have seen PoT Pycnonemosaurus alr right
but are you prepared to see Nova's Pycnonemosaurus?

[charred hearth]

reused rex head

[wet star]

Is that carnivores? If so it fits the style perfectly, i LOVE it.

[charred hearth]

would archerlons be generalist omnivores or generalist carnivores?

[frigid delta]

carnivore, sharp-hooked beak in its mouth is used to eat jellyfish and other soft-bodied animals

[charred hearth]

could it have been a amonite specialist?

[charred hearth]

is the edmonto okay

[balmy oyster]

Yeah

[thorn grove]

yea he walked it off

[coral forge]

mid sized tyrannosaurs like alectrosaurus

[potent bobcat]

Were there any large prehistoric frugivorous bats?

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/three-wiser-men-and-a-boy-tyler-hynes-hynies-gif-5069163916615119515

[manic grail]

is gorgosaurus a synonym for albertosaurus or are they different animals?

[manic grail]

what mod is this

[undone rapids]

Its a different genus, though some authors refer to it as a different species of albertosaurus.

[manic grail]

i see. thanks

[frigid delta]

classic c2
not mod

[sudden wind]

Only needs Ibuprofen

https://tenor.com/view/diemarchive-gif-1089144284463652149

[manic grail]

i see, maybe its because i never really checked it out from that angle. The biggest trex i got is 11.69 tons (metric)

[coral forge]

What dino has the most realistic kit and what dino has the most unrealistic kit (excluding vocal abilities, group buffs ect)

I assume rex would be the most realistic?
And would the least realistic be like pachy or something

ngl i forgot thal existed

[manic grail]

if i recall thal has like only bite so thats probably the most realistic

[native kindle]

least realistic is always eurhinosaurus

[coral forge]

nah eurhino could impale itself on others and get carried onto land while ripping out their organs, I was there

[manic grail]

good old days

[coral forge]

I assume hatz would be pretty unrealistic because of its front limbs abilities

[native kindle]

most realistic is probably rex for a tlc'ed playable, but dasp and, maybe iggy ignoring back kick are pretty good

lambeo is probably fine if we're ignoring the vocals

[coral forge]

speaking of back kick actually, I wonder if some of the smaller hadrosaurs like lambeo would be able to kick like that
their front legs might be a bit fragile idk

[coral forge]

yeah lambeo was known to do a 360 kick right in the Daspletosaurus's face when hunted and then swim away faster than most semi aquatic predators
all after sending it flying 200ft with its tail of course

[native kindle]

well it doesn't swim faster than any semi aquatic predator, and since they forgot to update lambeo it actually has worse stamina in the water than some other terrestrials atm

[coral forge]

it swims faster than meg and conc with full swim build

[native kindle]

how recently have you played? for lambeo to swim faster than full swim conca, it would need to be swimming at over 1000 speed. which it isn't

[coral forge]

I haven't tested it against conc since before the tlc, I thought they made conc slower?

[native kindle]

not even close, they made conca reach significantly higher speeds due to buffed streamlined, 50% swim speed hidden in nictitating and another 30% with muffled roar. but thats not paleontology

[coral forge]

ok faster than 50% of semi aquatic predators that were actually good swimmers IRL

[ancient crystal]

It actually killed the tyrannosaurus right after this since we have evidence that edmontosaurus couldn't feel pain and ate tyrannosaurus regularly

[ashen wedge]

Stop with the paleo-conspiracy, that’s my job

[coral forge]

was alectrosaurus the fastest non avian theropod

[fierce quarry]

Was Diplocaulus "horns" connected to its body by skin flaps ?

[frigid delta]

https://youtu.be/FH5_tXH5Kl0?si=H-fACqk7XPY4-Vwu
huh?

[coral forge]

I read that as Revolutosaurus 💔

[daring plume]

@severe trail "Yes, Dacentrurus was a dinosaur, specifically an extinct, herbivorous stegosaurian dinosaur that lived during the Late Jurassic and possibly Early Cretaceous"

There my dude 🫩🫩🫩

[severe trail]

Oh yeah cuz quoting yourself is gonna do anything, what site is that from

[daring plume]

Wikipedia, fandom, sci, nhm, etc there's like literally several sites it says anywhere that dacentrurus is a dinosaur. Dude can you not see it? Have you seen the Fossils ? Paleontologist did this search, found the fossils and of course they did studies and found out it's a dinosaur.

[coral forge]

are yall deadass arguing about whether dacentrurus existed 💔

[daring plume]

He said dacentrurus isn't a dinosaur 😭

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/chick-bird-cute-gif-23265882

[coral forge]

what...
literally what else would it be

[charred hearth]

how close in size is meganeura to rhamp?

[stiff osprey]

not

[charred hearth]

how about micro and meganeura

[coral forge]

micro is bigger than rhamp...
their wingspan is similar afaik but micro is like 10x the weight

is there an average length for para

[charred hearth]

i refuse to believe that

[coral forge]

I meant micro and mega
both have a ~75cm wingspan

[sudden wind]

Microraptor is NOT bigger than Rhamph in any possible situation minus adult Micro and hatchling Rhamph.

[opal acorn]

how accurate is it that megalania has this hunchback thing

or is this not even an accurate photo at all

[jagged trellis]

it might be the angle but why does it look like has an anvil in its throat

[opal acorn]

not sure, it looks silly

maybe powerful neck muscles to help with bite force? heard thats what acros neck muscles do atleast

[jagged trellis]

to that degree
where you become more fridge and protein powder vs animal
might be abit much
( also potential head shrink wrapping seeing its a whole ordeal on the head "crest")
also the back legs bro
even for a monitor

[fossil ingot]

Why does that look like Komodo

[manic grail]

was there a spiderman trex

[fossil ingot]

Doubt It.
Komodo's have quite a Weak Bite Force
But their Teeth and hiw they thrash, etc makes their Bite very deadly

[opal acorn]

maybe to help with thrashing then

[jagged trellis]

we may never know
probably not though

[fossil ingot]

I mean I don't Think Meg was a Komodo Clone.
But is very likely Meg just
Brute Forced through things most times like Komodo did

[opal acorn]

probably

[fossil ingot]

When you are this Big why not

[opal acorn]

alr it does look like the photo i sent just beefed it up too much then, but its nice to know the neck was actually built like that

[jagged trellis]

" you're not batman, you're batBRICK" typa meg