paleontology

[robust mortar]

nice, idk really know much about drawing t rex, so ig it looks great

[frigid delta]

is this Dunk size info still accurate & reliable?

[outer tusk]

kind of just here a better recon by Evo

[frigid delta]

erm i'm talkin abt the length & weight
are they still accurate or is there a size update of it?

[warped peak]

No they're about accurate, courtesy of the huge margin of error

[native kindle]

pretty hard to mess up somewhere between 1 and nearly 2 tons lol

[fierce atlas]

Well, this is currently the most, "accurate" its very difficult to determine size on a nonverterbrate. Especially with no common living ancestors.

[warped peak]

Dunkle is a vertebrate and its thought most living fish are descendants of placoderms

[fierce atlas]

Oh is it? I thought it was a nonverterbrate

[warped peak]

It has a spine just like all fish

[full lagoon]

All fish are vertebrates

[fierce atlas]

Wait, im stupid. I meant cartilaginous

[warped peak]

Ah

Similar applies still tho. Cartilage doesn't FREQUENTLY fossilize, but we have a lot of it from the many placoderms that lived over the year

[fierce atlas]

Yeah. I saw we do have verterbrae remains. So dunkleosteus probably would have a good size estimate

[full lagoon]

Well there may be a few odd exceptions like the hagfish, but I think they still count.

[warped peak]

All fish fit within Chordata so it counts

[full lagoon]

Taxonomy wise definitely, but It'd be interesting to see someone else make sense of it via a fossil (depending on how it was preserved)

[fierce atlas]

I dont know how that chordate statement works so Im not understanding. I know its that phylum, but how is that a filler for veterbtate

[full lagoon]

You are actually right, not all chordates have a backbone

However, hagfish specifically still is considered a vertebrae given that it's a type of fish, which had these features ancestrally.

[warped peak]

Hagfish are still vertebrates because they have vertebrae, just no spine

[fierce atlas]

Oh alr

Would it be probable for Oxalaia to be near spinosaurus sized AND have a sail?

[undone rapids]

Oxalaia is closest to Spino, and since Spinos like Icthy seems to have some type sail structure, yeah its probable for Oxa to have something too

[last adder]

The legs on that outline are so horrendous lmao.

[fierce atlas]

Okay cool, thanks

Now time for the controversial stuff: Do you lot think that Infernodrakon is a juvinile Quetzalcoatlus?

[undone rapids]

who knows

[fierce atlas]

I think its a plausible genus.

[warped peak]

There is no reason to think it is a Juvenile Quetzalcoatlus outside of the fact the size vaguely matches

[last adder]

The neck vertebra assigned to it is so thin for an ahzdarchid- I've never seen anything like that before tbh.

[charred hearth]

if a ceratopsian lost its horn, would growing it back ever be possible?

[stark roost]

No cause I’m pretty sure it’s bone layered with keratin? Don’t quote me on that. I think it’d be similar to rhinos idk

[coral forge]

hear me out
raptorex was a sub adult alioramus which was a sub adult qianzhousaurus which was a juvenile tarbosaurus which was a sub adult t. mcraeensis which was a sub adult t. rex which was a nanotyrannus with gigantism

[fossil ingot]

https://x.com/TMtheEQplusNerd/status/1958739590392762533?t=bZaSwZH-XILWozkXBEL5ZA&s=19

Tangmo Mopet (@TMtheEQplusNerd)

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY FOUND MORE ZHUCHENGTYRANNUS MATERIAL THAT WERE THE SAME SIZE AS SUE?????

X · Aug 22, 2025, 3:54 AM

[fierce atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-emoji-sad-emoji-emoji-stare-disgust-gif-405076546600269050

[charred hearth]

sue sized zhutyrannus....

[lofty creek]

not really

just one femur slightly larger than the largest tarbo and a single vertebrae

also this
welcome Austroraptor the largest Avian

I really wonder why nobodys talking about this

[coral forge]

austro isn't a dromaeosaur anymore?

I thought unenlagiinia was in dromaeosauridae

[lofty creek]

basal avian now

[coral forge]

so its like the 2nd largest bird now or smth?

wait imperobator is also a bird now?

[stark roost]

Erm giant Moa

[coral forge]

2nd largest

1. aepyornis
2. dinornis
3. austro

[ionic crescent]

Elephant bird

[stark roost]

Elephant bird was taller but lighter then the giant moa I think

[coral forge]

elephant bird was heavier. 300-1000kg

[stark roost]

I swear I remember giant moa being heavier then the elephant bird bro 😭

[stark roost]

Also wasn’t halz a dromaeosaur bro 😭

[coral forge]

the largest estimates for giant moa are smaller than the lowest for aepyornis

[warped peak]

Halzkaraptorinae has been proposed for a while

Imperobator has historically always been an indeterminate Paravian outside of 1 paper

[coral forge]

here's irrefutable evidence for this btw

notice how they all follow the proposed growth stages for t.rex and t.rex was actually nanotyrannus? That means the other 5 are also growth stages of nanotyrannus

[stiff osprey]

i like how they are born in the nemegt formation, then migrate to nanxiong, then move to a different continent entirely in the mcrae formation, then move north to hell creek to finish growing

tyrannosaurs are just big eels

[coral forge]

exactly
this might also mean t.rex evolved into salmon

jack horner should hire me fr

wait they pass by hell creek on the way to ojo alamo why don't they just stay there

mabye competition from dakotaraptor is too much for a sub adult nanotyrannus

[undone rapids]

To escape the Meteor.... it all adds up!!

[coral forge]

Exactly. The meteor hit inland so sea animals weren't effected. How else did crocodiles survive?

[jagged trellis]

trivago.com ofc

[charred hearth]

how long did the asian and american land bridge exist for?

[coral forge]

more than 4 minutes

[lofty creek]

honestly most argues in this paper arent totally new
halzkaraptors has been put next to unenlaginnia for a decently long time
and Imperobator being a unenlagagin was firstly reported in 2024

[coral forge]

why am I only now realising how diabolically fast t.rex grew
I knew they grew fast but 315kg per year on average is insane
11kg per day at their peak 💔

[charred hearth]

thoughts?

[stiff osprey]

i don't think oviraptorosaurs had enough vertebrae in their necks to do that

nor would they need to, because birds hide their necks to make themselves more aerodynamic in flight, and oviraptorosaurs... don't fly

[white matrix]

i just found out what the other halzkaraptorinae's looked like and they are cute... i need a natovenator mod fr

[fierce quarry]

There's a cute Halzkaraptor mod

[white matrix]

i forgot about it

[fierce quarry]

It honks like a duck

[sonic matrix]

New dinosaur found at the isle of wight!
ISTIORACHIS MACARTHURAE a Iguanadontid that was closely related to Ouranosaurus

[stark roost]

Awesome sauce. Doesn’t that mean it lived with like neovenator and some other iguanadonts? Or was that the Wessex formation

[balmy oyster]

Can we stop saying these things are “closely related to ouranosaurus” we have comptonatus now

It was said for brighstoneus cus comptonatus didn’t exist back then, but now it does. There is no reason to say they’re a “close relative of ouranosaurus” now.

(And yes ik that’s what the paper & news outlets are saying and not you dw )

[stiff osprey]

This is because no one knows what a comptonatus is

[balmy oyster]

It looks like Dollodon if…that’s still valid. I forgor

If not then mantelli!

[sonic matrix]

Its related more to Ouranosaurus than comptonatus

[balmy oyster]

I call this paleontologist syndrome

it rhymes with…grug

No for real though it’s a really close match with the other two hadrosauriformes in the wessex

[sullen cairn]

i fear fishy has gone insane

[balmy oyster]

Torosaurus…Torosaurus….tor……boss….hellcreekensis……

[sullen cairn]

if torosaurus bossensis is from lower hell creek and torosaurus pointylatus is from upper hell creek perhaps this is evidence of synonymy with the parallel small nasal triceratops horidus and later big nasal t. prorsus

[balmy oyster]

Conclusion: I think I understand why nobody wants to deal with ceratopsians

[stiff osprey]

of course this lump depends on whether you consider a boss larger than a horn because it is long or smaller than a horn because it is flat

[outer tusk]

Jaco predicted it

[halcyon cobalt]

Is this a sign for the start of the Chinese century?

[inland silo]

That would be really funny for a subspecies

[tough parcel]

https://vxtwitter.com/PrimevalArtist/status/1959030965617279466
Posting this here due to the fact tidbit

Falcon9 (Commissions Open!) (@PrimevalArtist)

Happy extremely late Snake Day of 2025! While Gorgosaurus might not seem snake-like by itself, the prefix of its name comes from the Greek "gorgos-" meaning "fierce" or "terrible". Some may recognize this from the Gorgons, creatures of Greek mythos heavily associated with snakes!

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 22, 2025, 11:12 PM

[outer tusk]

OMG THIS IS SO PEAK

Just just asking JUST asking, could have this been a reference to your Albertosaurus?

[tough parcel]

Aye, I intend to finish Alberto or Yang before school starts (praying, hoping, crying I have the drive) but I tried to make references to my Albertosaurus cause y'know

Sister taxa or smth

[outer tusk]

the pose is also very similar to your bistah

[tough parcel]

That is more coincidental

Only so many ways you can pose a right-lateral drawing to showcase how lanky these things are

[outer tusk]

true

[winter marsh]

make them crouch

[tough parcel]

Ew no, they'd look ugly and dumb

[winter marsh]

like all tyrannosaurs

[tough parcel]

NOOO

[winter marsh]

its reality bub, they all look like they had their face smooched in a trash compactor

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-buddy-the-elf-throne-of-lies-christmas-gif-1174038786188830953

[winter marsh]

I am a lie

[warped peak]

Yknow this makes me think

Zhucheng with Gorgo proportions would be funny

It has no confidently referred postcrania currently right?

[balmy oyster]

Well…….

[storm spindle]

Could austro being a true bird now mean that it could have secondarily lost flight from a flying or gliding ancestor?

[compact leaf]

not to be confused with camptonotus

or camponotus, which is also a thing

[balmy oyster]

Potato potato

[hazy basalt]

Challenge, find a piece of Albertosaurus paleo art that actually shows the feature scales it had.

[wet sedge]

What happened to surophananax

[thorn grove]

I killed him

[charred hearth]

public exectuion

[wet sedge]

Like did. He get a new look like spino irl

[winter marsh]

he got invalideathtioned

[thorn grove]

no it was discovered that the material being used to diagnose Saurophaganax was partially of Sauropod origin, there was Allosaurid material present but removing the Sauropod material meant the remaining Allosaurid material was no longer distinct enough from Allosaurus itself to justify a separate genus

[wet sedge]

Thx

[balmy oyster]

apparently it's not 100% for the dorsal verts to be sauropod, it needs further re-evaluation

[white matrix]

is this the accurate kapro size?
-# or did i just tell someone a complete lie

[stiff osprey]

basically yeah

[thorn grove]

Oh goofy stuff inbound perhaps

[outer tusk]

the goat

[warm saddle]

Is this a sebecid?, or somethin else (rezan?)

[outer tusk]

Nope I would advise you to read the text up top

[white matrix]

ah

thanks (and thanks to xstego too)

[bleak rose]

Kapro :)

[hallow spear]

Boo

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/nigel-marven-prehistoric-park-parasaurolophus-conch-shell-gif-26520991

[prisma hawk]

I would bet that all dromaeosaurs were secondarily flightless. Esp if Microraptor could in fact fly

[hardy sentinel]

Austro as in Austroraptor?

[hardy sentinel]

Why is nobody freaking out about this

They done turned by favourite Dromaeosaurid into a bird

[balmy oyster]

because it's probably just going to change again in a month

Phylogeny isn't ever stable, and I've seen a lot of wonky changes that once again change in the next phylogeny study.

[hardy sentinel]

But I feel like the Unenlagiids being proposed as basal avians is big enough to at least have more than 5 messages

[balmy oyster]

eh, from a general archosaur phylogeny pattern standpoint it's not nonsensical

basalmost members of a group being weirdly large compared to derived relatives happens often with dinosaurs, so earliest birds having austroraptor at the basalmost isn't mindbreaking

[charred hearth]

would you guys say "when dinosaurs roamed america " is up there with wwd and chased by dinosaurs?

[balmy oyster]

haven't watched it so I can't comment

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/when-dinosaurs-roamed-america-utah-stegosaurus-ceratosaurus-dinosaurs-gif-14945171738377889649

[balmy oyster]

brontornis would push austro into the top 5 range

[balmy oyster]

definitely, turns out we've got some more big allosaur material lying around that needs anaylisis, so the debate on allosaur speciation won't be over anytime soon

[ashen wedge]

Better cgi than Jurassic Fight Club

[thorn grove]

allosaur epicness

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/allosaurus-ceratosaurus-killing-biting-dinosaurs-gif-17288316

while is ceratosaurus always a victim 😭

[ashen wedge]

Cause people need punching bags like how Ankylosaurus is shown being a victim in Jurassic Movies

[balmy oyster]

oh yeah it's from a matrix

...it's not staying

[charred hearth]

rank all the original wwd episodes, least favorite to favorite

• "New Blood" ( triassic with celo, platy and posto )
• Time of the Titans ( diplodocus's getting jumped )
• Cruel Sea ( magical liplouedon )
• Giant of the Skies ( ornthiocherius, iguanadon vs utah )
• Spirits of the Ice Forest ( austro, koolasuchus and muttaburruasaurus )
• Death of a Dynasty ( trex and the extinction )

mine would be

6 - new blood
5 - death of a dymstay
4 - giant of the skies
3 - spirits of the ice forest
2 - new blood
1 - time of the titans

[fierce atlas]

I miss the Ballad of Big Al. That probably got me into paleontology.

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-with-walking-with-dinosaurs-the-ballad-of-big-al-big-al-allosaurus-gif-11956583142257223726

[zenith nova]

I’ve seen Big Al before, he was in the Houston museum of natural history for a long while and that seeing all the injuries in person was breathtaking

[charred hearth]

whos life would you rather watch play out, stan or stu's or big al's?

[sharp dragon]

Deinocheirus Mirificus.

[ashen wedge]

How about all?

[stiff osprey]

bro is spending 6*10^96 years watching every life on earth

[charred hearth]

who had more injuries, stan or big al?

[thorn grove]

What’s that number from

[ashen wedge]

And counting

[stiff osprey]

I made it up

[charred hearth]

what was stans injuries again? i remember he was really messed up

[stiff osprey]

only ones i remember were a fracture to the cervicals and a puncture wound on the skull roof

[charred hearth]

im trying to remember what rex specimen that was just suffering

would you rather suffer as allosaurus or suffer as a tyrannosaurus

[warped peak]

Don't forget Pachystruthio, or Devincenzia

[halcyon cobalt]

More like 6*10^69 years 🤣 🤣 rofl
reddit gold: incoming
Hotel: trivago

[thorn grove]

chungus 100

[glass vessel]

You are right

[charred hearth]

why are they wrong

[glass vessel]

Why?

[balmy oyster]

Bro thinks he’s slick

[coral forge]

so it would be

1. aepyornis 400-700kg
2. dinornis maximus 380kg
3. brontornis 350kg
4. austroraptor/kelenken 300kg

[balmy oyster]

Yea

[coral forge]

austrotaptor > kelenken mabye if you believe the 350-520kg estimates but like
no

[hardy sentinel]

Anyone got the paper making Austroraptor a bird? Wanna send it to my pal because she doesn't believe me

Chat this is the best depiction of a prehistoric bird I've ever seen

Even in front of this one dare I say

[warm saddle]

Is it just me or does php austro texturing feel so off, like it looks like just s puppet, like that's the feeling i get from seeing it

[hardy sentinel]

The dinos in php don't look alive to me, they just look like photorealistic models instead of animals

Probably has something to do with the eyes in all honesty

[open compass]

Guys, how big was guanlong? (in terms of mass)

[hasty cargo]

They’re not technically birds: all birds are dinosaurs, but not all dinosaurs are birds

[undone rapids]

They're referring to a recent paper that recovered Impero and Austro as basal Birds(Not true birds ofc, but closer to them)

[hasty cargo]

I thought that Unenlagiinae were dromaeosaurs?

[undone rapids]

They jump around a bit it seems, and will probably continue to do so

[hasty cargo]

I suppose Balaur has sickle claws, which may not be unique to dromaeosaurs

[coral forge]

troodontids had sickle claws but they're just more prominent in dromaeosaurs

[hasty cargo]

I totally forgot about them 😅

[hardy sentinel]

The Unenlagiids (Austroraptor and Imperobator shown) got reclassified as basal avians

[hardy sentinel]

Sickle claws are found in Paravians as a whole, more derived birds (plus Imperobator) just lost em

[coral forge]

not quite
they're avialans but not avians

[hardy sentinel]

Ah thanks

[coral forge]

a basal avian would be paleognaths like ostriches and cassowaries

[warped peak]

Pachystruthio is 450kg

[storm spindle]

We are forgetting the biggest heavyweight in all of bird-dom…. Hummingbirds at a whopping MILLION kg

[hardy sentinel]

They're so small they bug the scale

[coral forge]

I find it crazy how a theropod dinosaur evolved flight and became half the size of a 10 cent coin to fill yhe niche of an insect

[hardy sentinel]

Halska being a basal avialan is fire tho

[hardy sentinel]

Filled the niche so good they get preyed on by bugs

I'd send a picture but it would get deleted

Basically praying mantises are their ops

[snow python]

Was there any tortoise bigger than Megalochelys?

[hardy sentinel]

Nope

[snow python]

How big was megalochelys?

[coral forge]

very

people are saying anywhere from 1-4 tons with a 2 meter carapace

[drowsy vapor]

Quick question is parasaurolophus skull bigger than horses and cows skulls?

[balmy oyster]

Surprisingly they’re closer in size than I thought, but para’s should be bigger just by overall size

[drowsy vapor]

I see okay thanks!

Also what's the difference between charonosaurus and parasaurolophus walkeri?

[coral forge]

pretty sure its to do with the crest and jaw structure and proportionally longer and thinner front legs but I could be wrong

[drowsy vapor]

I saw somewhere that charonosaurus was larger than parasaurolophus walkeri

[coral forge]

I think it is yeah since walkeri is one of the smaller para species

but size alone isn't usually something to classify a whole new species

chihuahuas and great danes are the same species

[sudden wind]

Yeah but these are not good examples cause they are artificially selected. Species and populations usually are much more homogeneous and individual variation is rarer.

[native kindle]

yeah you can't use domestic dogs as an example ever
or domestic, anything

[coral forge]

I know but it still shows that size doesn't automatically make you a new species

a non domesticated example is brown bears
the gobi bear has a weight of as little as 50kg meanwhile a kodiak bear has a weight of up to 650kg despite both being the same species

so ursus arctos is both the 2nd largest and 2nd smallest bear despite only being 1 species

[frigid delta]

is 3 tons Shunosaurus weight still accurate?

[outer tusk]

Yes

[floral ivy]

A putative pterosaur from India

[drifting condor]

Accurate or nah
(This is deltadromeus)

[tough parcel]

Not in the slightest

[proper dove]

Was Concavenator semi aquatic at all? Can’t seem to find a solid answer

[tough parcel]

It was not, it was as semi-aquatic as Giganotosaurus

It's a gimmick made up for the game

[proper dove]

Thank you : )

[last adder]

I believe the reason why some media portrays Concavenator as semi-aquatic is because they were somewhat costal..? I may be wrong though.

[slim needle]

It’s not completely out of the question given the environment the La Huérguina Formation preserves

[ashen wedge]

That’s a big tortoise

[tough parcel]

I mean I doubt anyone cares enough to look into Las Hoyas environment unless they're a paleo-artist

It's mainly the "shark fin" on its back from what I can tell considering beyond that, it has 0 indications of semi-aquatic tendencies

It even has small feet which are mostly seen in fast-moving terrestrial animals (larger feet are clumsy and weigh you down but are perfect for walking on soft terrain like what you see near water)

[proper dove]

Poor conc

[stable sun]

Nope not at all

[coral forge]

Have there been any studies on spinosaurus range of motion? Particularly the arms

[hushed fog]

Delta was a noasaurid not an allosauroid
@falcon.09 Yoo w transformers banner

[drifting condor]

Whats the most deltadromeus like thing in pot rn?

[tough parcel]

The Deltadromeus mod from Jagged Fangs is perfectly fine as of right now

And tysm @hushed fog awesome PFP

[drifting condor]

Besides the mod?

[tough parcel]

Oh absolutely nothing then

[hushed fog]

Ty!

[warped peak]

The next closest would be Cerato or Pycno, which is a good demonstration of how far apart it is

[lost moon]

I always see path’s conc and get irritated by how large its feet and arms are lol it looks a bit cartoonish

[coral forge]

appearance wise nothing
relation wise pycno

ig yunnanosaurus looks vaguely similar but thats really pushing it

[fierce atlas]

Bigger feet is tuff, makes him a better swimmer.

[hazy basalt]

Conca, Pachy, and Dasp are probably my least favourite models right now.

[keen forum]

that be a no, delta is so odd noasaur

[coral forge]

rex, swim sub spino, duck, achillo, hatz, thal, allo

[lost moon]

what’s your issue with Dasp? Is it the weird textures on the head that are a bit shrink-y looking

[hazy basalt]

Not robust enough, also I think it might have been based on Gorgeous George’s skeleton which is inaccurate. You can see the the title screen Dasp over this skeleton even.

[lost moon]

yeah, it’s always felt a bit skinny to me. I’m sure they used a skeletal reference for the side profile but it’s a bit on the slim side for how big Daspletosaurus was. it’s not the worst model IMO but it isn’t the best. I can guess what your issues with Pachy are lol

[topaz shell]

What are the current estimates for fasola in length?

[coral forge]

it has weird posture but thats about it
sure it could be a tiny bit chunkier but all it really needs is a straighter neck and longer tail

[ebon vessel]

Baby hadrosaur femur found this summer in Wyoming. Started my Masters in paleo this year 😁

[last adder]

That's awesome!!! What a great find! :> I'd be so ecstatic to actually excavate something like this.

[stray pine]

Anybody know if the "grandis" species for Tyrannotitan is named after a real Carcharodontosaurid?

[balmy oyster]

Nope

[hardy sentinel]

90% of the subspecies in game are made up

[coral forge]

it could be a reference to meraxes gigas but theres no carcharodontosaurid with the species name grandis

[coral forge]

almost half the official roster have at least 1 subspecies named after a relative

[stray pine]

I looked it up and I found something about the species being invalid and at one point attributed to a genus called "Kelmayisaurus"

[hardy sentinel]

Which ones?

[stray pine]

Am I the only one that's confused as to why the other two Spinosaurus species aren't named "qilombensis" and "brevicollis"?

[coral forge]

I cant remember all of them but the main ones that come to mind are hatz having an arambourgiania subspecies, rex having a tarbo subspecies, meg having a komodo subspecies, styra having an einosaurus subspecies, titan having a giga subspecies and duck having a beishanlong subspecies

[stray pine]

Suchomimus also has a Cristatusaurus subspecies

But then again, Cristatusaurus is so fragmentary that it's considered by a lot of people to be synonymous with Suchomimus (which would technically make Suchomimus become synonymous with Cristatusaurus because the latter genus was described first)

[coral forge]

they were named in the same year but sucho was discovered first

[balmy oyster]

Now we have eocarcharia

So if cristatu is different, then it probably engulfs eocarch

Yes eocarch was described in 2008, can’t wait for the possibility of losing the name entirely

[coral forge]

wait nvm cristatu was discovered like 15 years earlier

[stray pine]

I still can't get over the fact that Eocarcharia is a spinosaurid now

[coral forge]

is it not a basal carcharodontosaurid

[balmy oyster]

There is still a carcha in the formation, but the fossil that was given the name turns out to have belonged to a spinosaurID

[stray pine]

*spinosaurid

[coral forge]

spino didnt live in the elrhaz formation iirc
do you mean spinosaurid?

[stray pine]

Yes, they did

[balmy oyster]

Autocorrect. My bad

[stray pine]

I wonder what's going to happen to all the other material assigned to Eocarcharia

[balmy oyster]

Most likely scenario, it says indeterminate for 20 years then someone realizes it can be described

[coral forge]

autocorrect and dinosaurs never mix
my phone once autocorrected "yeah" to "Utahraptor"

[balmy oyster]

lmao 😭 I wonder why phones hate pronunciation of dinosaurs

[coral forge]

probably because most phones have english keyboards and most dinosaur names are greek/latin

[stray pine]

On an unrelated note (this may have been brought up earlier, idk) did you guys hear about Unanlagiinians being reclassified as birds?

[coral forge]

austroraptor being a basal avialan was not on my 2025 bingo card

[balmy oyster]

Yea, quite interesting

…buuut considering how austro alone always jumps around phylogenetically, I’m not placing my bets on this assortment staying

[stray pine]

Yeah, I don't exactly agree with it either. Then again, if other papers come out that support it, then I guess they are after all.

It's a shame the paper is paywalled, you should see their new cladogram of Ceratosauria

[balmy oyster]

It’s not that I disagree, it’s just I don’t see it staying for too long since phylogeny always jumps around in every new phylogeny paper ever

[coral forge]

screenshot it and send it
I won't tell anyone

[stray pine]

Information shouldn't exist only for those who can afford it.

I haven't paid for access to it yet, but if I can't find it online then I might.

[coral forge]

some information I understand being kept secret but gatekeeping dinosaur phylogeny makes no sense

[elfin pulsar]

Out of curiosity, how much does it cost?

[balmy oyster]

Don’t buy it. There are ways to bypass the paywall

[coral forge]

my glorious king inspect element

[elfin pulsar]

Oh I wasn’t gonna

[opaque kayak]

Never use sites like Anna's archieve, openlibrary, online pdf, dokumen.com or Libgen to break copyright laws, expecially not using vpn, since that's wrong.

[elfin pulsar]

Haha so true!

[balmy oyster]

So true, hopefully no one ever uses these at it would make the authors sad, or something!

[stray pine]

Yep, so wrong. Never use those!

[hardy sentinel]

Does the idea of Komodos being island dwarves hold up? Saw a video by Clint's Reptiles saying they evolved from a larger ancestor that got smaller as they came to the islands based on the fact larger now extinct monitors lived on neighboring islands, but couldn't it also just have been the larger relatives just evolved from a common small monitor species?

https://youtu.be/QHn-nVBh6UI?si=hkMziTUDbhOsve7q

[coral forge]

their closest relative was megalania so like

[stray pine]

I wasn't able to get it unfortunately, but the actual price of it is $64

[coral forge]

WHAT?

$64 FOR A CLADOGRAM????

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but it wasn't their ancestor, wouldn't it also be pretty likely they evolved from a common ancestor that just dominated their environments instead of an island dwarfism event?

[stray pine]

No, $64 for 48 hours of access to the whole paper.

[hardy sentinel]

$64 for a paper rental is wild

[stray pine]

Genuinely insane

[hardy sentinel]

Honestly I can imagine the entire study is just a way to make money, the claim that Unenlagiids went from supposed Dromaeosaurids to being closer to birds than Troodontids is outlandish

Who is the paper even by in the first place?

What's the link to the paper? I got a pal who can... Probably make it cost less than a cent if you know what I mean

[stray pine]

Matías J. Motta, Federico L. Agnolín, Federico Brissón Egli, Sebastián Rozadilla & Fernando E. Novas

[hardy sentinel]

If that's possible ofc, but there's probably a way knowing the Internet

[undone rapids]

Its not a new finding, this isn't the first time they've ended up there apparently

[stray pine]

Here's the link: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14772019.2025.2529608

[hardy sentinel]

Still probably just a way to make money judging by how expensive a paper is for 48 hours

[undone rapids]

Authors don't make money from papers iirc, like directly

[balmy oyster]

For 60 bucks I’d just invite two of my friends to a movie and watch that instead of a paper where the contents of it have already been gutted out to show to everyone

[stiff osprey]

all money from paywalls goes to the publisher, the authors get nothing

[hardy sentinel]

Does the publisher also make the price?

[undone rapids]

Publishers do indeed publish

[stiff osprey]

presumably

[hardy sentinel]

That's actually so messed up wtf, the authors put hundreds of hours of research into science and then some greedy b*stard just decides to make science papers a rental service

[undone rapids]

Publishers can also change stuff sometimes if they want, Tyrannosaurus mcren was gonna be its own genus, but publisher wanted it to be Tyrannosaurus species. Since it was close enough

[stiff osprey]

See now you feel the appropriate level of hatred towards paywalls

[hardy sentinel]

I'm frozen in hatred right now

[balmy oyster]

It would be funny if the reason why they’re so expensive is since people have found workarounds to the paywall, publishers are losing a ton of money and are desperately raising the prices in hopes they can stay in buiseness

I’d be mad too but thankfully people don’t like that bs either and we have things to bypass it

I’m still more mad about certain specimens of a tyrannosaur species being “”””””””lost”””””””””

[hardy sentinel]

I got a friend trying to find a workaround right now, I dunno if scientific papers can be pirated but if they can then I'm doing it.

I'll just copy and paste the entire thing if possible to a google doc and send it here

[balmy oyster]

There is a site that allows it but it wasn’t working for me yet which means it probably still needs to be opened up by someone working the site

[undone rapids]

Thankfully you can always just email the authors and they'll usually send you a copy pretty quick

[hardy sentinel]

That or I'll get a job and take one for team and just buy the paper and copy/paste the entire thing

[undone rapids]

First time I did this was by accident cuz I was expecting the website to ask for my email and stuff but it didn't cuz I was logged in and just sent a request.

[hardy sentinel]

Does it matter which author or should I just email them all?

[stray pine]

Literally anything that is digital media and is behind a paywall can be pirated, including scientific papers.

Anyway, here's the fourth figure of the paper I found on Twitter, but I don't think that's the entire cladogram.

[undone rapids]

Dunno, probably better to send one of them

[stray pine]

Also, you'd be better off just downloading it as a PDF.

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but I can send google docs here, I assume download links can't be send here so gotta share the knowledge somehow

Then again I could also just dm people the paper

[ancient crystal]

Lib.gen is a popular pirating tool. Has gotten me through several years of absurd college textbook prices without paying a dime

[stray pine]

It's not there unfortunately

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-rock-what-you-want-a-cookie-so-what-big-deal-congrats-gif-14058849

[severe yew]

@hardy sentinel
bro, delete this comment just in case

i read the discord TOS a while back and i think they mentioned someabout banning for illegal activity or something like that

but just in case

[tough parcel]

Lol

Lmao

If they cared about scientific illegal activity, people wouldn't be posting Scimitarspinus everywhere (and if they cared about illegal activity in general, they wouldn't be complicit in Roblox's recent problems)

[balmy oyster]

Incredible amounts of laughter

[stiff osprey]

pirating scientific papers is a human right

Also the authors are legally allowed to just give you the paper if you ask them anyway

[serene moat]

How many toro specimens are they and what's the average size and Max size compared to trikey boi, isn't there like some 12ton toro I swear I heard that somewhere could be missinfo tho

[hardy sentinel]

I can mention the illegal activity, the illegal activity also doesn't take place on discord so they could care less

[balmy oyster]

12 ton toro is 100% not true, it’s based on a specimen named “Adam” which has a pretty large skull, but the rest of the body indicates something considerably smaller

[severe yew]

bro, just trying to watch your back

[serene moat]

Ohhh okay, so it toro like similar to eo in the sense it's got a big ahh head but smaller body?

[balmy oyster]

Similar, though I do think from the postcrania we do have it wouldn’t have been too dissimilar to trike in proportions other than a much larger frill

[stray pine]

Scimitarspinus is going to go crazy when the paper finally releases

[balmy oyster]

The most anticipated paleontological news

[sterile trail]

Knifehead Spino

Wait. . . Hear me out...

What if it's a sexually dimorphic specimen, with Scimitarspinus being a male Spinosaurus?

[hardy sentinel]

Isn't that one less than half the size of a normal spoon?

[sterile trail]

Could have been a young individual

[balmy oyster]

No

[sterile trail]

:[

[hardy sentinel]

So a young individual with sexual dimorphism during the ages where it can't reproduce?

[balmy oyster]

Not to mention from a completely different locality that’s not where both spino’s are known from

[hardy sentinel]

I'd say it's most likely a new species but I'd fw the idea of a tiny male trying to court a larger female like:

[opaque kayak]

Hmm males have longer legs

[hardy sentinel]

All the males lived in one locality and they just had really longs dihhs trust

[opaque kayak]

I feel like nobody brings up sexual dimorphism possibility in dinosaurs except in cases of possibly spinosaurus specimens

[balmy oyster]

What I find weird is the authors trying to use this new species to try justifying why spino wouldn’t be semi aquatic, even though it’s a different species that was stated in the abstract itself to have different physiology compared to what we have of “aegyptiacus”

[hardy sentinel]

Why don't you bring anything of the sorts up?

[balmy oyster]

Because determining sexual dimorphism requires us to have 100 complete fossils of a species so we can analyze any morphological different that could be determined as different sex’s

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-dinosaur-meme-2027-paleomeme-gif-14471555602216043670

[wraith kindle]

Anybody know of an accurate (to our current knowledge) utahraptor 3d model I can look at? Trying to look at sketchfab for utahraptor heads I can use for sona reference.

[hardy sentinel]

Skeletal or reconstruction?

[wraith kindle]

I shoulda specified, I meant flesh and muscle reconstruction, yeah.

[hardy sentinel]

This one is up to date iirc

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/utahraptor-low-poly-animated-model-1c04938f74ec4081bbbf83aa00824af0

[wraith kindle]

Theres a bunch in sketchfab, but I don't know whats accurate, and I think some are mislabelled.

[wraith kindle]

Is this a modded dino? I recognize some of the animations as emotes in the game.

Just wondering,

[hardy sentinel]

I don't think it is

[outer tusk]

One dinosaur that does have a massive male and female sexual dimorphism is the Dinornis

[balmy oyster]

Well tbf those are birds, and we have great knowledge on bird dimorphism

[outer tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841358058152132628/1390830380180836454/attachment.gif

[drifting condor]

Rexy vs sue how do you think would win in a fight

Rexy is gonna cook sue ngl

[jagged trellis]

body wise sue would win but uh
you can get rexy to small-mid city level powerscaling wise( camp w the carno surviving explosion, and....volcano) technically so rip sue

[drifting condor]

Wdym body wise?

[hardy sentinel]

Sue slams Rexy by just falling onto her

btw which Rexy are we using for this hypothetical?

[drifting condor]

Movie rexy
Comic rexy is busted

[hardy sentinel]

Which movie? She gets slammed by anything even similar to her in size either way

Only time she's won a fight against another large theropod was in the camp cretaceous against a Tarbosaurus

[drifting condor]

All
Rexy can pierce indoms hide and indom can tank missiles idk if sue could pierce indoms hide

[hardy sentinel]

also depends if we're going off of stats here or just the movie interpretation in general

[hardy sentinel]

Rexy can tank missiles? What?

Also when you say "All" are you saying she will win either way or that her skills are the same across all movie versions?

[drifting condor]

Not rexy im talking about indom
And what???

[hardy sentinel]

Dude the raptors can break the Indom's skin, the Indom isn't good for powerscaling here, also I need you elaborate by what you mean by "All"

I can just use the argument the missiles are weak

[drifting condor]

All i mean every movie shes in

[hardy sentinel]

So is Sue fighting every movie version of Rexy one at a time? Dominion Rexy is older and weaker than JP1 Rexy so you gotta pick which movie we're going with

[drifting condor]

JP1 then

[hardy sentinel]

It's a decently fair fight but JP1 Rexy is much smaller and thinner, would probably get killed by Sue if Sue used her weight and not just her bite

Also JP1 Rexy is inexperienced being old five years old and only having hunted goats her whole life, Sue has more experience since I think we've found healed bites from other Rexes on her

[drifting condor]

This is rexy btw

[hardy sentinel]

Comic Rexy, which you said we ain't using

[charred hearth]

realistically, sue would win due to being 3 tons heavier then rexy

[drifting condor]

But its cannon to the film?

[hardy sentinel]

My point still stands, Sue has more experience and size on Rexy and would probably win

[drifting condor]

Whats sue gonna do if rexy bites her once?

[hardy sentinel]

A normal Rex can bite through metal yk, Rexy isn't unique here

[drifting condor]

A tank though???

[charred hearth]

what the largest thing ( movie cannon ) rexy took down? ( not including indom as that dosent count )

[hardy sentinel]

Alone or with help?

[charred hearth]

alone
then
with help

[hardy sentinel]

Alone: Gallimimus

With help: Giganotosaurus

[charred hearth]

would you say rexy is a small prey specialist?

[hardy sentinel]

with her experience, yeah

She's a zoo animal who's most important learning years were spent being fed goats

[charred hearth]

actually, dosent she hunt a para in the cannon telltale game?

[hardy sentinel]

Rexes in the JP verse a whole, no. We saw a younger Rex eating what is implied to be a large dinosaur he killed

[drifting condor]

Didn't she kill the carno?

[hardy sentinel]

Oh yeah forgot about that

Alone the biggest thing she killed was a distracted Carno

[charred hearth]

does that count if a sino combo'd it earlier

[hardy sentinel]

I'm willing to give the Carno to Rexy because she went after it on her own for aura farming purposes and not so she can third party and then aura farm

[charred hearth]

if we count ties, we could say she attempted to hunt lady margret which lead to a tie

[hardy sentinel]

does that really count since all the hadrosaurs in the games are canon fodder?

[charred hearth]

first and only fight of a ceratopsian and tyrannosaurid btw in the series

[hardy sentinel]

doesn't the Drex chase that family that has delores in the new movie? Don't plan on seeing it but I think it happened

Technically could be the second fight between a ceratopsian and Tyrannosaurid if you wanna be technical

[charred hearth]

im too broke to watch it

[drifting condor]

Dont trust google

[hardy sentinel]

I can say a size estimate is between 1 pound and 2 billion and not be wrong, basically what google is doing here

[tough parcel]

That's not even a fight 🥀

[drifting condor]

Im focusing on it being 23 feet tall

[hardy sentinel]

A chase can be seen as a fight to people who wanna be technically right

[charred hearth]

Not really

[hardy sentinel]

did the Drex chase or did it even attempt to eat em?

[hushed fog]

This means Ember was able to do more by hunting a parasaurolophus by himself

[hardy sentinel]

Who is Ember

[charred hearth]

do sauropods count as canon fodder in the jp franchise

[frigid delta]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN AUSTRORAPTOR IS A BIRD NOW?

[hardy sentinel]

Basal avialan but I get it

Not the first time surprisingly

[drifting condor]

Rexy also hunted para not in movie tho

[frigid delta]

so basal bird?

[hardy sentinel]

Basal bird would be ostriches or hoatzins

[hushed fog]

The new Rex in rebirth

[hardy sentinel]

official or fan name?

[frigid delta]

unfortunately, official name

[hardy sentinel]

I ain't ever seeing this movie, not even worth pirating

[charred hearth]

whats wrong with the name

[lavish frigate]

She also successfully hunts a para in camp Cretaceous

[charred hearth]

i kinda miss when jp treated sauropods with a majestic and untouchable prescence

[frigid delta]

b-b-b-bu-bu-bu-but-but-but FODDER

[charred hearth]

im pretty sure in cc the scorpious rex killed like, 3 brachis 😭

[stiff osprey]

Scorpius kills one, the other was indominus

Scorpius also has the excuse of being venomous, although the venom works way too quickly

A teenage girl survives it longer than that brach did

[charred hearth]

would a animal that size even be able to have venom irl?

[hushed fog]

It’s not a bad movie imo

[stiff osprey]

it's better than dominion for sure

[charred hearth]

i always wondered, if scoprious rex and indo were real creatures, do you guys think they'd be susscessful or genetic failures?

when i stare at think realistic scoprious rex i cant help but want to protect it, its ugly in a cute way

[stiff osprey]

I like scorpius it's like a goofy long armed abelisaur

[charred hearth]

wait, how did the remaster indo end up looking like a allo if it only has utah, trex, deinocherius and anky dna in it

[astral spindle]

How big is YPM COLL now?

[frigid delta]

what kind of animal is this YPM COLL?

[balmy oyster]

The movie’s honestly not terrible, it’s got clear flaws but it was enjoyable

[hardy sentinel]

We can all agree on one thing chat

Ardipithecus is the best mammal because it turned into latinas. Court adjourned

[charred hearth]

sit through dominion, original wwd 2014 movie or wwd 2025

[balmy oyster]

Ambulocetus turned into whales and whales are cooler

[topaz shell]

Prob the indom dna (which has a primarily carcharodontosaurid body and or allosauroid)

I just now read the remaster thing nvm

[balmy oyster]

Dominion. It’s the only one that’s fun.

WWD 2014 only sucks because of the voice acting, remove it and it’s lowkey goated, but I’m assuming the option is with the voice acting

WWD 2025 show just seemed kinda mid and didn’t do anything other than poor representation of dinosaurs

[topaz shell]

Ngl I liked the 2014 back then
Also isn’t it 2013?

[hardy sentinel]

Jurassic world (hates Jurassic park) son or modern walking with dinosaurs daughter

[balmy oyster]

If you like the new WWD show what are we even doing

[astral spindle]

Stegosaurus Ungulatus

[hardy sentinel]

Gigantspinosaurus

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/sardoche-sard-scare-sard-jumpscare-sardoche-jumpscare-sard-peur-gif-19012181

[coral forge]

they released a documentary style version of wwd 2014 with no voices other than benedict cumberbatch

[hardy sentinel]

WWD 2014 (documentary ver) woulda been peak if they made the brother Pachyrhino normal looking instead of looking like he was ran through blended spinach and poop

Scowler and Patchi would NOT have survived to adulthood lets be honest

Patchi is the runt of the litter (dunno if that can happen in egg laying animals) and probably wouldn't have been able to keep up with the herd (or woulda been singled out and picked off by a Troodon) and Scowler stands out too much that he woulda been singled out and picked off by a Gorgo (or a confident Troodon) instead of blending into the herd

Like I know it's a kid's movie but both versions pmo to different levels

[stiff osprey]

Without the dialogue it's pretty good except for the fact that the no dialogue version also cuts off the music at random points...

[hardy sentinel]

Why does he kinda look like a fat stylized protoceratops

[coral forge]

They used minecraft llama sounds for some of it
but llamas only came to minecraft 1.5 years later so idk
mabye they used the same sample or smth

[hardy sentinel]

Minecraft records their own sounds, the llama sounds just probably sound similar

[coral forge]

no its literally identical

[hardy sentinel]

clip?

[coral forge]

https://youtu.be/YdiLro3RCfI?si=ZCr-EYxe5vToXkTh go to 3:31

they might have just used llamas for their sounds too or smth

[hardy sentinel]

probably, it sounds similar but not identical

Llamas tend to be goofy

[coral forge]

the first grunt is identical but the rest of the sounds are just really similar

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah the first grunt sounds like the minecraft llama but it's too quick, the llama in minecraft is slower

might be the fact that both come from the same animal tho

honestly doesn't sound too much like a llama from what i'm hearing on youtube, so I dunno if the sound they use is easily repeated by the animal

[coral forge]

the minecraft llama sound isn't just llama
its llama pitched up and combined with various household objects apparently

[hardy sentinel]

So did WWD do the same strat or something?

Deffo isn't downloaded off the internet because Minecraft does make it's own sounds

[coral forge]

probably
most dinosaur sounds in media are just edited animal sounds

[hardy sentinel]

You're telling me they don't record the actual animals?

[coral forge]

theres only 1 documentary with 100% accurate sounds
jurassic fight club
they went back in time to record the actual dinosaurs and their sounds which is why its the most accurate documentary

[winter marsh]

And they prove the existence of Nanotyrannus by showing it next to Juvenile Tyrannosaurus which were actually chubby, unlike what we believed.

[ashen wedge]

It’s the most accurate thing since Ceratosaurus was a Beta male compared to the Giga Chad Alpha Allosaurus (making joke don’t kill me)

[coral forge]

fr like how did we even get mixed up between these two

[balmy oyster]

I'm pretty certain juvenile trex's would have looked like "nanotyrannus"

[coral forge]

cant you see? T.rex was very bulky and nanotyrannus was very skinny they can't be the same

[balmy oyster]

is this trolling

[coral forge]

no

[balmy oyster]

i chose to believe you are

[coral forge]

I never troll

[undone rapids]

Its clearly a Lambeosaurus

[balmy oyster]

nanotyrannus mature adult

[undone rapids]

What if... all the shants we've found so far aren't fully grown...

[tulip dove]

The largest Shant is a juvenile, I was there when it was still growing

[stray pine]

Hey guys, I finally borrowed the recent Unanlagiinian-bird paper from somebody.

[stray pine]

Here's the link if you didn't already have it
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ax4b4jwi5yTrddrOof3TR6HT2M_fFfOR/view?usp=drivesdk

[hardy sentinel]

How do I say I love you without it being weird

[stray pine]

The weird thing is how I got it 😂

[stable sun]

What specimen was even used for juvenile Tyrannosaurus rex

[coral forge]

sue

I just took sue and shrunk him down to the size of nano, thats all

[topaz shell]

No specimen

[stable sun]

how is robustness even an argument then

Of course adult Tyrannosaurus is going to be more robust than a juvenile

[ashen wedge]

Possible that one is malnourished?

[coral forge]

because its a t.rex and t.rex was bulky

nanotyrannus was not bulky

[coral forge]

how can it be malnourished if it lives in places with herds of alamosaurus

it can just eat a stegosaurus

[stable sun]

Juvenile dinosaur specimens are less bulky though.

[coral forge]

No they aren't

juvenile dinosaurs are more bulky as seen with modern birds so juvenile t.rex was most definitely more bulky than adult t.rex

[ashen wedge]

Sounds like Cope

[coral forge]

no cope died in 1897

[small geyser]

You know that’s a cuckoo right? The two are not even the same species.

[coral forge]

no both are ospreys

[stable sun]

This is wrong because juvenile Allosaurus was more not robust than the not juvenile Allosaurus

[coral forge]

allosaurus was an allosaurid not a dinosaur

[small geyser]

I see where this is going and I’m gonna dip out.

[scenic flame]

this is wildly false in every way

[coral forge]

no it isnt its wildly true in every way
#paleontology message

[scenic flame]

that's a brood parasite

[native kindle]

thats literally a cuckoo LMAO

[small geyser]

Vivid, they’re trolling.

[coral forge]

no its a cuckoo which are known for their parental instincts on par with humans

[scenic flame]

yeah but alot of people won't know that, and just believe it

[small geyser]

Very good point!

[stable sun]

Dude dinosaurs are Allosaurids

[coral forge]

no dinosaurs are lizards allosaurids are monotremes

[stable sun]

Here's a Juvenile Allosaurus pic and Momotremes aren't real and are lizards

[coral forge]

thats a brontosaurus

[stable sun]

Brontosaurus had wings

[coral forge]

is this ragebait
I won't be interacting with ragebait

[stable sun]

is this ragebait
I won't be interacting with ragebait

[coral forge]

going off topic i see? might I have to call in an admin to ban @sonic escarp

[sonic escarp]

BRO HOW DID YOU EVEN KNOW I WAS IN THIS SERVER

[frigid delta]

this convo enraged me

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481439174663340032/867879341412712468/image0-2-3.gif

[ancient crystal]

Paleochat try not to fall for ragebait challenge (impossible):

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-skeleton-skeleton-tweaking-skull-tweaking-skull-gif-16139677173214617594

[stable sun]

The Roaring Knight appeared?? nano tyranus

[frigid delta]

Torvo vs Dacent who wins in Dinosaur Battle?

[coral forge]

dace

[stable sun]

Torvosaurus is faster and can freeze its opponents

[coral forge]

1 of each of the 10 largest hadrosaurs vs 1 of every tyrannosaurid

[frigid delta]

tyrannosaurids solos bcuz hadrosaurs are nothing but fodder

[stable sun]

I win

[coral forge]

tyrannosaurus is the only tyrannosaurid to be larger than any of the top 10 hadrosaurs

rex is bigger than 7 or 8 depending on the specimen and mcraeensis is bigger than 2

ngl I think the hadrosaurs kinda have a chance considering most tyrannosaurids weren't too big compared to them

[frigid delta]

NO
THEY WILL BE KILLED
THEY ARE FODDERS!!!
FODDERS!!!

[coral forge]

the humble shantungosaurus

[frigid delta]

is a fodder prey to Zhuchengtyrannus

[coral forge]

the humble tethyshadros

[frigid delta]

could kill a Rex with only 0.000001% of their power

[coral forge]

exactly

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/gas-leak-markiplier-house-explode-markiplyer-gas-gif-10182814238990607347

[ashen wedge]

Sounds like you a rage baiter

[coral forge]

Idk what youre talking about I would never

[hardy sentinel]

Hypovenator speculation comic

[fierce atlas]

This chat is causing physical harm upon me.

Guys... We ALL know that Psittacosaurus could solo any dinosaur without using any power.

[lethal kite]

You know what's a good rage bait?

Using the MSNM V4047 Spinosaurus specimen as evidence that Spinosaurus was much bigger than 14 meters then proceeding to not elaborate on why lol.

[mortal kraken]

Thala TLC it has to be like this, please Jiggy, please T^T

[warped peak]

Thal TLC has to be like this, please Jiggy please T^T

[charred hearth]

you can only pick one.

[sterile trail]

This isn't even a competition

Disney's Dinosaur

[warped peak]

Neither, everyone loses

[jagged trellis]

disneys dinosaur by a mile, even for all of its flaws
its not the dumpster cashgrab washing fire of the wwd movie

[storm shuttle]

can i have spiderman across the spiderverse instead 😇

[tough parcel]

Are we doing the theatrical release for both? Because WWD:3D has an IMAX release narrated by Benedict Cumberbatch and edited to be more in-line with a documentary

[jagged trellis]

oh yeah the not cashgrab washed one
id still say disneys dinosaur but atleast there is a actual point for picking the other

[charred hearth]

either one

[tough parcel]

Ah then I agree with KP

[charred hearth]

why do ppl like dinosaurs while hating wwd 2013, arent they the same premise?

[jagged trellis]

disneys dinosaur while generic
is alot sturdier as a story with obscenely good cgi for that point in time, even vs now
also less actors washing over into the film itself vs just voicing
alot less low brow humor as well ig

[tough parcel]

Disney's Dinosaur had dialogue that was intended to be in the final version of the film

WWD:3D had dialogue that was slapped in at the last second due to executives wanting it to be more "kid-friendly"

[stiff osprey]

Dinosaur had the courage to animate its dinosaurs talking instead of - yeah what he said

[jagged trellis]

a movie made to be a movie vs a documentary slapped with big voice actors and eh humor

[stiff osprey]

Also Dinosaur has like one grossout joke and that one is kind of funny

[undone rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/carno-triceratops-running-biting-dinosaurs-gif-17288642

[coral forge]

wwd would be top 5 pieces of dinosaur media if the voice acting was even remotely good

one of my favourite childhood movies

[charred hearth]

atleast none of the designs are misses

[full lagoon]

I like both films despite their flaws

[full lagoon]

The designs are so realistic they still hold up somewhat

[fierce atlas]

The troodontid is meh

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-shocked-tongue-out-sticking-gif-25549577

[fierce atlas]

Freak of nature, that little cretin.

[charred hearth]

im suprised there hasnt been any migration movies focused on morrison or hell creek

[balmy oyster]

Technically dinosaur revolution kinda had a subplot about that

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaurs-dinosaur-meme-dinosaur-revolution-torvosaurus-allosaurus-gif-25441682

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/TMtheEQplusNerd/status/1959303754509152484/photo/4

Tangmo Mopet (@TMtheEQplusNerd)

From Mark Buckman LinkedIn post
" 'Prehistoric Park' Deinosuchus repair/restoration work in progress for Hoo Zoo "

holy one of the best Prop Restoration ever

X · Aug 23, 2025, 5:16 PM

[coral forge]

Really? The only episode I remember of either was the t.rex episode but that wasn't a migration

[balmy oyster]

The allo story had something about everyone needing to migrate since water was becoming scarce

[coral forge]

that was in portugal

[fierce quarry]

Omg yes

[charred hearth]

portugal in the jurassic was just the morrison with less sauropods

[balmy oyster]

It was still Jurassic

[coral forge]

but it wasnt in the morrison and therefore wasnt a morrison migration

[charred hearth]

it was like a movie miracle how the allosaurus managed to survive with a broken jaw throughout its whole life

[coral forge]

everywhere in the late jurassic was a morrison clone except asia who decided to do their own thing

[charred hearth]

not antartica and australia

[coral forge]

it can teleport, a broken jaw is the least of its issues

seriously though how did it rip the tail off a diplodocus with a broken jaw

[balmy oyster]

ok mr. Pedantic

[coral forge]

its a whole other continent and it wasnt a migration how is that pedantic 😭

[charred hearth]

what does pedantic mean

[balmy oyster]

this situation

[balmy oyster]

we got a genius here

[charred hearth]

🙁

[hushed fog]

Dinosaur Revolution may be a bit inaccurate, but it’s peak

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-laugh-laughing-toystory-mocking-gif-7453872

I'll take disney's dinosaur no question, but it'd be sad that I couldn't joke about WWD3d anymore

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/PedroMa23765483/status/1959656276754842044/photo/2

Retepretsim (@PedroMa23765483)

Chinese Morrison

Shaximiao formation

X · Aug 24, 2025, 4:37 PM

[balmy oyster]

Where camp’s theropod!!!!!

[charred hearth]

thoughts on jwe3 patagotitan having a beak?

[undone rapids]

Hiccup there has a broken leg which is a reference to Camp's theropod

[balmy oyster]

Real

[balmy oyster]

Definitely mid, rest of the design is nice but the weird thescelosaur beak throws it off a little

[fierce atlas]

I didnt even notice that, as a titantosaur fan... I still will be spamming these in my parks. I will NEVER unsee though.

[ancient crystal]

It's hardly noticeable so its fine.

[coral forge]

he looks so sad who hurt my boy

[balmy oyster]

I just realized the eyes are also super tiny too 😭

[coral forge]

the weird head shape makes the eyes look strange too
it looks like they based it on brachiosaurids instead of titanosaurs

[severe yew]

great white sharks have been recorded to be 23 feet long

however, bites on whale carcasses found off southern australia suggest that white sharks as long as 25 or 26 feet exist today

i am sure there are great white sharks even bigger than that, possibly even 30 feet long

likewise, all dinosaur would likely have been bigger than what "experts" claim

i can totally see trex having reached 10 to 11 tons

• add about 15 % or 20 % to the known weight of every dinosaur to know what their most likely max weight could have been

https://tenor.com/view/whatif-matrix-make-gif-5679302

ladies and gentleman this is simple, common sense

[charred hearth]

people DO believe rex could reach 10 - 11 tons....

[severe yew]

this is recent, not long ago they would think you are nuts if you said that, paleontology at its finest 😅

[brave nova]

We have 3 Rex specimens which are above 10t

[severe yew]

again, this is recent knowledge

so now, apply this to every dino 😉

[balmy oyster]

We have like ~3 specimens around that size 🤓

[severe yew]

that is correct 👌

and there are likely many more undiscovered, so now that i think about trex could have even reach 13 tons

[warped peak]

Goliath

[severe yew]

could be...

[faint dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

[opal acorn]

Whats with people denying Goliath's existence? Idk anything about it all other than I found out Goliath is called the largest tyrannosaurus Rex yet.

[glad wraith]

😉

[charred hearth]

thoughts on primitive war anky? https://x.com/PterosaurWhore/status/1959623990785298452/photo/1

Sloop the PREDHEAD (@PterosaurWhore)

This AINT no WALK in the PARK

X · Aug 24, 2025, 2:29 PM

[winter marsh]

big rolypoly

[brave nova]

Since it’s only a femur and the reconstruction of it is questionable

[opal acorn]

Ohhhh

[warped peak]

https://psdinosaurs.blogspot.com/2025/04/how-big-was-t-rex-specimen-goliath.html?m=1

Most reliable scaling ever

[charred hearth]

how many primitive war designs are stolen from jw?

[balmy oyster]

I wouldn’t say “stolen” but there does seem to be “inspiration”

[severe yew]

if that's their main argument, then 90% of paleontology is questionable 😅

[winter marsh]

inspired? 3

[balmy oyster]

I think he means questionable by the bone not having proper measurements/photographs? cus while singular bones can be problematic most case scenario it’s just that they’re fragmentary and that’s it

[compact leaf]

they absolutely butchered the style of the books/comics, this is almost exactly the jw anky

[balmy oyster]

Absolute shame, considering the novel designs were really interesting and even capable of being considered accurate

JP has just skewed over dinosaurs to be the same thing for eternity, we had WWD3D but I guess people don’t think kids are capable of watching nature documentaries since they thought horrible voice acting was a good idea

[stiff osprey]

I can tolerate the PW tyrannosaurus and triceratops seeing as they're at least animated in a cool way but the ''dreadnoughtus''... oof

although i do wonder how universal didn't sue them, they're very annoying about copyright usually

[full lagoon]

If they want to distinguish themselves from other dinosaur media, why make such similar designs?

[last adder]

Nicely stylized Anky, but yeah- a lot of their features are really similar to the Jurassic franchise dinos.

[frigid delta]

a Pachycephalosaurus walks up to a barbershop

[hushed fog]

Question: are you a big dinosaur enjoyer or a small dinosaur enjoyer(under 2 tons)?

[stiff osprey]

big dinosaur enjoyer

unless the small dinosaur has some unique ability like flight or burrowing

[charred hearth]

whats the more accurate depiction
echos of extiction dace

or

PoT mira

[white matrix]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6qBEfkG/

[white matrix]

where is he getting 8 ton anky from?

[warped peak]

Fadeno.

[thorn grove]

more likely from Arbour and Mallon 2018 if I had to guess, that's the one on wikipedia and it's the main source people use to justify 8 ton anky in arguments

[charred hearth]

@hallow spear i value your opinion on stegosaurids very highly

[drifting condor]

I think if hulk was a dinosaur hed be a abelisaurid or dromeaosaur what do you think

[last adder]

I'd imagine him as some big angry herbivore more than anything.

[halcyon cobalt]

much along the lines of a large bulky hadrosaur

/uj he fits T. rex and Bruce banner is juvenile T. Rex

[thorn grove]

tbf shant had some big beefy arms

[drifting condor]

I dont see him being prey

[last adder]

It doesn't make much sense for him to be a predator though, based on general personality and circumstances, but I can see where you're coming from.

[drifting condor]

Definitely a predator

[last adder]

Definitely depends on the portrayal when answering this question ngl. I've never seen that before.

[drifting condor]

Im using savge hulk for this

[last adder]

Alright then. I'd still imagine him as something bigger and more brute force oriented than what you had in mind though.

[drifting condor]

Like?

[last adder]

Not entirely sure, but perhaps something like an Acrocanthosaurus or other heavy set giant theropod.

[drifting condor]

Yeah probably a charchardontosaurid

Maybe charchar but an abelisaurid works very well imo

[halcyon cobalt]

This was incredibly funny to me

[drifting condor]

Cause their pretty fast and something you may not know the hulk get faster and quicker reflexes the angrier he get

[balmy oyster]

It can go either way tbh

[hardy sentinel]

Guys if heaven is just a calming endless wheat field do you guys think dinosaurs just had to wait millions of years until humans started doing agriculture for them to frolic or do we think they had other plants before that

[flint hornet]

pov: jp3 spinosaurus fans not being able to comprehend the fact that in reality,it wasnt a demi-god level threat to other mega therapods

[outer tusk]

Jp3 spino ain't even allat

[sharp dragon]

Monsters Resurrected permanently scarred the reputation of a dead animal forever.

[lofty creek]

Th is is AoA dace not EoE

[coral forge]

How accurate are these sizes?

[coral forge]

endless conifer forest of doom and despair

[hallow spear]

The one on the left, however POTs has better hips

[hallow spear]

Usually that or fadeno, but co sidering Arbour et al., has 0 source to back up the estimate nor do we know the methodology used to get it, it should be ignored

[native kindle]

thats a really poor way to try and show sizes lol, rhamph looks a bit too small but the rest seeeems fine

[last adder]

If these are averages then ramph is shown correctly, most specimens are around that size aside from ones known from fragmented remains iirc.

[coral forge]

this is the rhamp I used

[native kindle]

from what i remember most rhamph specimens aren't fully grown, giving a skewed average. and that looks like the large spino, so its definitely not averages

sarco would also be a lot smaller if for some reason averages were used

[last adder]

Ah, alright. I guess I was assuming averages since the sizes seem so all over the place-? And I don't know what people consider to be average for some of these.

[coral forge]

I used random's spino skeletal which is 14.7m and as I've been told is the best one to use

[native kindle]

its fine to use yeah, just not an average

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/GimmieTheJimmie/status/1959956424941023593

GTJ (@GimmieTheJimmie)

A fun fact I don't see anyone bring up, is that we have a living dinosaur today roughly the same size as the real Velociraptor- and it flies! The Kori Bustard.

X · Aug 25, 2025, 12:30 PM

[hallow spear]

simply dont use averages its not a good representation of such a small sampl,ke size

[last adder]

I mean, it depends on what people are looking for in a comparison, but yeah, I see your point.

[charred hearth]

excluding sauropods, stego was the largest creature in morrison, right?

[frigid delta]

13 tons Stego real

[native kindle]

yea

[charred hearth]

i wonder how many sauropods stego outsized in its enviromen t

[ashen wedge]

Probably Torosaurus or Allosaurus Anax, or maybe even the legendary “I am not sure”

[hallow spear]

no it doesnt, because half the taxa in the size comparison cannot get averages lol

[charred hearth]

the idea of torvo or allo outsizing stego....

[ashen wedge]

It could be possible

[charred hearth]

did either even reach 8 tons?

[ashen wedge]

Maybe Anax? But not sure for Torvosaurus

[charred hearth]

anax reaches close to 8 tons? 😨

[ashen wedge]

Last I checked, although I could be mistaken

[hallow spear]

it doesnt, currently the largest est is 6.5t

[ashen wedge]

Thought that I saw it around 7, that’s why I said I wasn’t certain

[charred hearth]

so stego still king of morrison if we're exlcuding sauropods?

[ashen wedge]

Isn’t Stego’s weight around 4-5.5 tons? With some specimens getting around 7tons? Just confused

[stiff osprey]

there are more >7t stego specimens (two) than >7t anax specimens (zero)

[charred hearth]

well, it would have to be more then 7 tons, unless dace wants to claim the largest stegosaurid reward

[ashen wedge]

I am just double checking since I keep seeing varying weight estimates

[charred hearth]

do you think anax could reach 7 tons or nah?

[stiff osprey]

assuming the ~4t specimens to be average then yeah it would likely reach 7 t

but that would be the equivalent of a 13t tyrannosaurus

[coral forge]

wasnt allo anax larger or did stego get an upsize because of apex

[ashen wedge]

I think it’s possible, although I can be mistaken

[charred hearth]

im pretty sure stego was reaching 8 tons?

[ashen wedge]

What about the estimates for Goliath? Isn’t Goliath estimated at 13 tons?

[charred hearth]

yeah, but i think what he meants, its very rarely and only a few indivuals would reach such sizes

[coral forge]

tbh I know absolutely nothing about thyreophorans so like

I remember something about stego being like 4t but its probably gone up since them

[stiff osprey]

goliath is a privately owned, reconstructed femur that has never been officially worked on

but yes what pantz said

[charred hearth]

is stego one of those species where we could get a average weight for or no?

[ashen wedge]

I suppose that makes sense

[charred hearth]

be fat like stego or be built like cerato

[last adder]

Not Referring to this selection in specific, just in general for animals.

[charred hearth]

wait...theres two other pachys that lived in hell creek? Sphaerotholus? Platytholus??

[last adder]

Didn't Stegoceras live there as well? I may be mistaken-

[charred hearth]

i think stegoceras was earlier

[last adder]

Ah yes, you're right!

[hallow spear]

Due to how bad most stegosaurus specimens are, I doubt it

[charred hearth]

thoughts?

[last adder]

I agree that they do seem VERY similar to the jurassic designs, and would've liked to see something different. At the very least they are stylized well- even if said stylization is barely their own.

I personally enjoy the color pallet and some of the finer details a lot.

[coral forge]

im mad that they copied the jp rex instead of doing an accurate one because an accurate rex in a dense forest would be terrifying

You're forgetting one key phrase.
Its the largest animal ever that we know of.
There were probably bigger animals, like some ichthyosaurs probably got to similar sizes but we just haven't found any yet.

[charred hearth]

always " we will find a bigger one " "theres a bigger one we just found it yet "

[coral forge]

But also whales in general are just huge. They're the sauropods of the ocean in that they fill similar niches and live by the thought of "ill just get so big that nothing will he stupid enough to attack me" until something gets stupid enough to attack

[stiff osprey]

There were a lot of big creatures alive in recent times, it just happens that humans murdered most of them to death. Otherwise we would have giant sloths, giant armadillos, giant marsupials, etc

We tried to murder the whales too but we figured out that was a bad thing before we could wipe them out

[last adder]

Extant whale species probably in the past (not so long ago) got even bigger as food and habitat was more abundant and pristine. Same goes for a lot of megafauna.

The whales they hunt do often develop strategies to protect themselves as well that really count more than just sheer size. Some balleen whales have been observed to position their bodies in a way optimal for defense or sort of "roll into" orca ramming attacks to negate significant amounts of force.

[stiff osprey]

Blue whales: bet

(on top of being the largest animals they're also one of the fastest underwater with their main defense from orcas being swimming away)

[last adder]

Trying to balanty swim away from a pod of hungry orcas pestering you is just going to get the larger whale into more trouble, as they can be easily flanked or targeted on the fins/tail. Holding out and keeping track of what they are doing to avoid damage is the best option for whales who dont have a good opportunity to swim away.

Let them know you're not worth the trouble and then you'll have an easier time leaving.

[stiff osprey]

there's basically two groups of baleen whales in terms of predator defense, more robust ones like humpbacks and bowheads fight back, slim ones like blues and fins run away

[last adder]

Yeah. The strategy I mentioned above is most similar to what Gray whales do sometimes.

[stiff osprey]

ironically despite being the larger of the two, the slimmer whales are basically screwed if they can't run, they have no other defense

minus adult blues which are so ungodly large that an orca can't really do anything. but young ones, even 60+ foot ones, have been killed

[last adder]

They don't "fight" per say unless they actually have an opportunity to get a strike (which doesn't really happen) but make actually getting any damage in really difficult for predators.

[charred hearth]

have orcas ever been documented hunting sperm whales? i only really hear them go after baleen whales minus humpbacks

[stiff osprey]

they'll hunt calves and sometimes adult females but sperm whales are more dangerous because they bite back

(also the poop cloud)

[gleaming island]

Oh

[stiff osprey]

if the poop cloud disgusted you, consider the possibility that you are an orca

[last adder]

Fecal braps, activate.

[ionic crescent]

Diarrhea Storm G5 ⚽

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-very-sad-anyway-loki-sad-loki-gif-22079369

[coral forge]

You tend to get pretty big when your only food source is the most populated multicellular life form on earth by biomass

Also fossilsation is pretty rare which is why we sont have much material of things millions of years ago compared to the total amount of species

[coral forge]

they avoid large toothed whales. They prefer baleen whales, seals and other dolphins

[balmy oyster]

Still try to hunt cachalots when they can though

[coral forge]

They do hunt them occasionally but they never go for healthy adults

They only ever go for young or injured that are separated from the pod

[last adder]

Even for baleen whales they don't typically attack full grown adults that are larger than them- not to say it hasn't happened.

[balmy oyster]

I mean you can kinda say this for every carnivore ever, it’s always easier to go for a singular/young/sick individual than a bull male in its prime

[coral forge]

yeah they don't usually go for things over 30 tons. Things like grey whales, minke whales and humpbacks are their main targets when hunting large game

there was 1 recorded hunt on a blue whale but hunts on large whales like those are insanely rare

[charred hearth]

are pygmy right whale's extinct

[balmy oyster]

no

[charred hearth]

i thought there was only one left?

[balmy oyster]

You might be thinking about the vaquita

[charred hearth]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2382721-worlds-smallest-baleen-whale-is-the-last-of-its-kind

[balmy oyster]

I’m pretty sure the title is referring to them being possible cetotheres, which would make them the “last of its kind”

[coral forge]

Pretty much
They eat an amount of krill equivalent to the weight of a small sauropod every day

[balmy oyster]

Reading a bit that isn’t engulfed by the “please subscribe we’re not desperate!!!!” message seems to confirm my point too

[coral forge]

we are evolving to be less mobile which is the opposite of blue whales though

[charred hearth]

oooh alright

[last adder]

It's actually mouse btw.

[coral forge]

actually its horseshoe crab

[charred hearth]

isnt it so cool how we still have relics of tiny baleen whales?

[balmy oyster]

very, it's good that not EVERYTHING from before we were around was killed by us

[charred hearth]

so like, how do pgymy right whales survive, they seem rather...defenseless

[balmy oyster]

same way how all other small whales survive

[charred hearth]

i dont know the way

[balmy oyster]

by swimming

[fossil ingot]

Whats that?

[outer tusk]

Carcharodontosauridae species

[fierce atlas]

Which one?

[earnest owl]

Cool, those are on Ark

[last adder]

Environmental awareness and predator evasion can go a long way. And even though they're "small", pygmy whales still don't have many predators besides toothed whales like orcas iirc.

[undone rapids]

Oh, Such Dinosaur

[winter marsh]

I wonder if whales are bulletproof up to some calibers

[undone rapids]

Nothing is bullet proof, just bullet resistant.

as long as you have an infinite number of bullets, even a mountain can be destroyed by 9mm.

[rancid dove]

Guys, could the metri be bigger?

[outer tusk]

https://x.com/sxur17/status/1931250658826457547/photo/1

DMJ小芸 (@sxur17)

Four large teeth (CH=70MM) of Carcharodontosauridae from the Haoling Formation in Henan, China, proving that giant predators did exist in the area (preying on large dinosaurs such as Ruyangosaurus)

X · Jun 7, 2025, 7:23 AM

[hallow spear]

Interesting its Aptian-Albian in age

[winter marsh]

does tyat mean one 9mm with infinite ammo is capable of destroying the world

[undone rapids]

Depends on your definition of destroying, but yes technically the infinte bullets will keep destroying rocks and stuff until the sun wipes out whatevers left.

[wind prairie]

tbf I don't think it was us though that killed all the little baleen whales. Most of them died in the miocene or pliocene iirc

[balmy oyster]

For certain, the comment was mainly directed to us playing a part with terrestrial megafauna but we didn’t start harming whale populations much until we commercialised boats and found a way to turn whales into lamps

[drifting condor]

What the largest omnivorous dinosaur

[last adder]

Deinocheirus considering it swallowed fish apparently.

[winter marsh]

if it wasnt that it was probably Gigantoraptor or Beishanlong

[umbral kite]

some body tell me it isnt true my glorious king tarbosaurus isnt gettinf down scaled

[balmy oyster]

if anything, considering what we've found that's never even made it into museums

It should be upscaled

[stiff osprey]

the 12 meter tarbosaurus exists guys it just got stolen and/or fell apart randomly in the museum trust me

[balmy oyster]

we have images of it.

[umbral kite]

who stole it

[hardy sentinel]

It's been more than a dozen years without Pterosaurs, I wish they were here

[balmy oyster]

iirc it was a polish team working on it but it got "lost/collapsed"

[umbral kite]

i wish tarbosaurus was here

[hardy sentinel]

Same here, raptorex

[umbral kite]

im a baby tarbosaurus

[balmy oyster]

it just "vanished" into thin air. I didn't know theropod fossils were the 4th state of matter

[stiff osprey]

there's nothing scaleable in these photos either so the 40 ft claim is just some guy from the 60s said so

which considering popular estimates for t.rex around that time were 45ft, isn't that impressive

[balmy oyster]

knowing that we now have more solid evidence of larger sizes in zhucheng, I don't see why they couldn't have been possibly saying some sort of truth here?

yes ik "smaller than rex so we need more publication yadda yadda!!!!!!!", but where tf did the specimen go & why did absolutely nothing from it get measured

paleontology try not to lose fossils from a gigantic hard to miss prehistoric animal (they """""GET LOST"""""")

[jade hollow]

I HATE THAT

[stiff osprey]

by all accounts if they reported it as 40ft it must be pretty big

but it amuses me because i've personally seen two fake claims of 12m tarbosaurs already and this one isn't any stronger

[balmy oyster]

someone investigate russian/polish museums, mongolia recovered a bunch from there

[stiff osprey]

is poland even big enough to hide a whole tarbosaurus

[balmy oyster]

probably in a basement somewhere

[hallow spear]

Apex is reported at over 8m, when it’s more like mid 6-7m

Which is odd because it used to be stated to be around mid 6-7m and then newer articles started saying over 8m

I forgot the point I was making

[balmy oyster]

with this logic, ~30 - 35m long tarbo is still really big and should be at least somewhat top priority to try recovering, no?

[stiff osprey]

a 30 meter long tarbo would be really big yes

[hallow spear]

It’s tarbo no one cares about it 😭

[balmy oyster]

I do. sad how museums have the track record of a goldfish

[hallow spear]

Is now a good time to say tarbo has so many really good specimens but non of them are published in any way

[stiff osprey]

my favorite tarbo specimen is the bonebed with 60 individuals that currie mentioned once in a 1990s documentary and then no one ever found out what he was talking about

[balmy oyster]

yeah exactly

not my best point but what exactly could be more important to research that isn't a giant megatheropod dinosaur?

[hallow spear]

300 different sauropods or fish

[balmy oyster]

boy I sure do love sauropodicus titanicus, the (article says it's 200 tons guys trust!!!) 2 ton saltasaur known from half a tibia from timbuktu

[warped peak]

Tarbosaurus deserves more love. The monocle of keratin 🤤

[hallow spear]

The ironic part is there alike 4 well k own taxa this is the case in and non one of them is actually published

Maybe less ironic considering 2 of them are stegosaurs and no one cares abt ornithischians

[balmy oyster]

sauropods are awesome but for the life of me what are we even understanding from fragmentary half-assed saltasaur remains that don't even tell us "wow this animal was big" 😭 we should prolly relocate priority to something else we can have more knowledge on

[stiff osprey]

it would be so funny if the 60 tarbo bonebed is actually real and currie just forgot the coordinates to it

and since it's in the middle of a desert no one ever went there again

[hallow spear]

Lmfao

[balmy oyster]

when it is found again turns out everything was stolen and sold off to the black market

[hallow spear]

When? More like if 💀

[balmy oyster]

can't wait to find a 13 meter tarbo from ebay

[warped peak]

Not me finding actual specimens of my Whip Spider mod on sale on Ebay

that I unironically referenced

If only they weren't $15k and born from child labor

[stark roost]

Isn’t Alberta like a lil bigger than sty. They look pretty similar

[outer tusk]

Hey, Random would you say this is a solid carcharodontosaur reference?

[stiff osprey]

no

[outer tusk]

How come

[stiff osprey]

there are no carcharodontosaurs that look like that

[outer tusk]

Ok

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/whale-whale-sharks-gif-26141122

[stiff osprey]

the killer

[sullen cairn]

the only reason tarbosaurus fans get a pass for going on about how there's a 12m tarbosaurus with a measurement from some unspecified place online but its lost or private or both and also half of published tarbosaurus measurement are actually wrong is because i still have to hear about how pete iii is 11m every other minute as well

[stiff osprey]

if i had a nickel for every tyrannosaurid that is popularly believed to be a meter longer than is actually supported by fossil remains i'd be able to buy at least a couple pieces of candy probably

[balmy oyster]

not anymore cus we eradicated its size

[stiff osprey]

pete iii is actually sad because its own description paper calls it ''near 10 meters'' so it's not even over 10 anymore
literally just a regular sized das

[balmy oyster]

it would be even funnier if when the postcrania description comes out it gets a meter even smaller

[sullen cairn]

this implies the postcranial measurements from the description are also somehow horrifically wrong

granted i suppose that isnt completely out of question given the whole -> 11m -> 10m -> nearly 10m thing it pulled in the meantime

[stiff osprey]

8 meter das with like a 110 cm femur or whatever it was would be funny

albertosaurus 2

[sullen cairn]

this reminds of how fadeno-sized parasaurolophus actually very comfortably lives if you take everything here at complete face value

[stiff osprey]

isn't 3m at the acetabulum not all that impressive or am i underestimating how tall the sacral spines are

[sullen cairn]

okay now that i look at it that 3m leg ends up like 8t not including cyrtristatus' foot i think i'm just paranoid about big paras now

[sullen cairn]

the description has pete iii's femur at 97cm which would make it only like the third or fourth biggest das femur

[stiff osprey]

oh word i was going off my questionable memory of what triebold said it was in his blog

[sullen cairn]

mortimer does have a ~1.037m measurement though granted i'm not sure where it comes from

[sullen cairn]

they can never take this away from us though

[outer tusk]

Random do you think it's possible for that Zhucheng femur to get animal roughly around ~12meters? or nah

[sullen cairn]

i suppose if you invoke trix et al sure

[stiff osprey]

the femur doesn't get a 12 meter animal but that dorsal probably does

of course the real question would be why would that dorsal belong to zhucheng and not to the other tyrannosaurid present in that formation

[fossil ingot]

Cause Big Zucheng sounds Cool asf

[stiff osprey]

yeah but big sovietarbus (original creation do not steal) is also cool

[fossil ingot]

Two Big Tyrannosaurid in a Formation sounds Cool.
Closest to that is what
Dasp and Gorgo?

[stiff osprey]

nemegt probably has (at least) two big ones so it would be tarbo and ....also tarbo

[fossil ingot]

Tarbo is Spreading....

God

Lets us Get more Zucheng Description.
But also let Willard and Adam finally be properly described

[sullen cairn]

Carr, 2022: raptorex isn't tarbosaurus because it lacks a subcutaneous flange
Voris et al., 2025: raptorex is tarbosaurus because it has a subcutaneous flange
Hone et al., 2011: zhuchengtarbus is tarbosaurus because it has a subcutaneous flange

[thorn grove]

is this the big dorsal we already knew about from zhucheng or is it a new one

[stiff osprey]

unclear

i have a hard time believing there's two giant zhucheng dorsals but hone's earlier post was said to be 25cm in diameter whereas the new one is 28cm

[sullen cairn]

tbf didnt hone say it was 8cm long as well

[fossil ingot]

Suck Magnificente Creatures that will get described in 2040 atp

[sullen cairn]

the vividen adam situation is really funny because everyone likes to say vividen just makes stuff up but in the case of adam its because the guy describing it keeps telling him its like 10m long

[hardy sentinel]

Hopefully will apply to this guy too

[fossil ingot]

Imagine this ain't Zucheng and is just Tarbo 3rd Species Invading Zucheng

[stiff osprey]

wouldn't be surprising for a dorsal centrum to be that anteroposteriorly crushed

however the one srumis posted does look significantly longer than 8cm

[thorn grove]

tbf if it's tarbo it'd mean tarbo invaded nemegt from zhucheng cuz nemegt is later

[fossil ingot]

Bro won the war

[outer tusk]

How is this Asian Tyrannosaurini reference

[opaque kayak]

Damn that soft tissue on the leg is wild

[sullen cairn]

some more daring folk may suggest vertebrae from multitaxa bonebeds are better left as indeterminate but as proclaimed by troodon neotype et al its actually most conservative to refer everything to one taxon for no coherent reason

[outer tusk]

FOLK like Dan FOLKes

[sullen cairn]

oh i just realized dans called that cause he's british

[fossil ingot]

Lol.
A 10m Adam would be sick asf, but I doubt a 10m Toro exists(Time pls prove me wrong)

[outer tusk]

Wait actually?

[opaque kayak]

I remember some random thing mentioned there were more then one tyrannosaurids in the region, is there a comparable tyrannosaurid fossil from the region or sm btw?

[sullen cairn]

if he was american he'd be called dan peoples

[charred hearth]

whats this but for paleontology? ( replace hc with belief or idea )

[opaque kayak]

BTW is the pic on the left also of adam's head?

[thorn grove]

if he was german he'd be called dan volken

[sullen cairn]

there's cranial material more aligned with tarbosaurus than zhuchengtyrannus in the bonebed according to hone

[fossil ingot]

Yeah just a Different Angle of this

[stiff osprey]

well you see this taxon is from the hongtuya formation which everyone calls the zhucheng formation because all the taxa from there have zhucheng in the name

this means that the hongtuya formation taxon is a zhucheng tyrannosaur, and thus, zhuchengtyrannus

[fossil ingot]

Adam looks sick asf ngl

[opaque kayak]

Wow yeah he's not close to 10 meters

[stiff osprey]

i like the adam mount because of all the animals to mount in a rearing pose they chose possibly the most front heavy animal of all time and they didn't even put the tail on the ground

[sullen cairn]

on the contrary he looks really silly i cant get it out of my head its just a regular obligate biped mounted like that

[outer tusk]

^

[sullen cairn]

https://x.com/Dave_Hone/status/1494674436766769156 perhaps some brave soul can open photoshop and see if they kinda line up with the shape and marks and stuff

Dr Dave Hone (@Dave_Hone)

But a couple of those bits, and most notably this one, are huge. Here's the same photo with the scalebar duplicated and stuck across the middle of the centrum face it's it's over 25 cm. That's *huge*. It is, in fact, in the same ballpark as the *biggest* of Sue's dorsal centra.

X · Feb 18, 2022, 2:05 PM

[outer tusk]

When doing a skeletal mainly thinking of the big 3

What are some good candidates for sauropods,theropods, and ornistrichians?

[thorn grove]

they look the same on a vibe check

[stiff osprey]

maybe the 3cm difference is because hone missed that protruding bit of centrum on the side

[opaque kayak]

Evidence this man is 248 centimeters?

[stiff osprey]

yes adam is definitely over 1 meter longer than willard trust

[fossil ingot]

Peak

[fossil ingot]

Adam just has so much Aura Skull wise

[hallow spear]

Trust me bro

[stiff osprey]

assuming the man to be like a regular human size we get 7.3 meters for adam which is a bit sad

[hallow spear]

Judging by his proportions I’d be shocked if he’s even over 5’9 ngl

[fossil ingot]

Meanwhile Willard is so Goofy Looking

[stiff osprey]

i wonder how big would willard be if we assume that nizar ibrahim is also 248cm tall (per adam et al)

[fossil ingot]

I think Adam will help with Toro a bit.
Mostly due to its Postcrania.

[sullen cairn]

out of curiosity are you still contemplating asking ibrahim for his height and/or that one guy with the priconodon vertebra his hand dimensions

[stiff osprey]

please do the latter i wanna see the man's reaction to ''please tell me how big your hand is. for science''

[opaque kayak]

I can't lie Willard doesn't exactly look 9+ meters here

[fossil ingot]

Adam looks weird from the front

[stiff osprey]

well if you assume nizar is as tall as the hulk i estimate you get about 13 meters for willard

[fossil ingot]

Iirc
The Doc/Card has it at like 8.2-8.5m
Wether thats Straight Line or Along the Centra is unknown

[sullen cairn]

i dont like how perfectly circular the orbit of that skull in the back is it makes me uncomfortable

[fossil ingot]

However
Same thing has it at 6-12t
So yeah...

[stiff osprey]

6-12t is just the regular mass estimate for trikes based on limb allometry

[ashen wedge]

Everyone has bad angles

[fossil ingot]

Wished we knew if its Straight Line or Along The Centra

Willard Art goes Hard tho

[stiff osprey]

my trike skeletal is 7.9 m long and 2.9 meters at the hip so if you scale it up to 3.6 meters you would get a well over 9m total length

however it's also possible willard's height is measured at the frill in which case it would likely be 8.5m along the centra

[fossil ingot]

So either way.
He Big.
Basically

[opaque kayak]

How do you measure a ceratopsian along the centra? Is it like this?

[balmy oyster]

yes but I would probably not use this skeletal

(also i think centra is measured by the centrums)

[fossil ingot]

Adam waiting for Description since 2023

[opaque kayak]

Thanks, I was trying to trace along the centra

[balmy oyster]

honestly not too bad compared to others

[fossil ingot]

Tf would this even.be

[sullen cairn]

centra is measured by centrums, as opposed to centra ofc

[opaque kayak]

Cope, Bertha, Second Ichthyotitan, New Giganotosaurus Specimen, Scimitar Spinosaurus, Zhucheng vertebra, Giga Descriptuon, 15 percent larger Meraxes, it does not end

[balmy oyster]

the skull

if you look at the top you can faintly see the frill

[balmy oyster]

is second icthyo being actively described? I thought it was something lost to time too or whatever

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[hallow spear]

I entirely forgot until now, I could easily ask for hand dimensions co soldering I’ve talked to one of the researchers for the supposed Princonodon vert lmao

[opaque kayak]

That's only for the large second specimen in aust, the second ichthyotitan jaw frag is apparently 15 perecent larger and yet is still not described 💔

[sullen cairn]

dont forget atroxicarius and friends

[hallow spear]

Firstly don’t measure the tip of the beak, only measure from the edge of the beak

And you need to measure lower on the vertebral centrum

[opaque kayak]

Atroxicarius, Denazinosaurus, Bissektyyrannus and Iforgorthenameofthelastonetyrannus

[balmy oyster]

omg i remember that, what even happened to it

[fossil ingot]

Apprently this guy worked on Adam.
Wonder if he can even mention stuff about it(I doubt it)

[opaque kayak]

God Sample

[balmy oyster]

The lord himself aided a sample

[opaque kayak]

Granted it's been translated once so I have no idea how accurate this is

[hallow spear]

I heard there is also more to come from a certain stegosaur this year but that is all I am at liberty to say

[balmy oyster]

This is awesome, I cannot wait for the return of stegotitanis

[sullen cairn]

unbelievable how quickly people folded to >68 Ma naashoibito the nmmnh bulletin people wield far too much power

[opaque kayak]

I will remove your liberty

[hallow spear]

:(

[stark roost]

Wow that’s big

[stark roost]

I only know sphareolotholus lol. I butchered that ik

[stark roost]

Aust Colossus goated 🥹

Well like what Can a whale really do except tail smack the living hell outta the orcas. The orcas are more maneuverable so they can’t really block the air from the orcas either so like idk

[stark roost]

Oh they found a skull? Looking further into this, it’s 3 teeth 🫩

[stark roost]

Buy it bro theres gotta be a way to bump it down to like a grand

[stark roost]

There’s another tyranosaurid?

[stark roost]

Wait vividen lies?

[stiff osprey]

vividen isn't lying but the guy telling him adam is 10 meters definitely is

[stark roost]

What’s that

[stark roost]

Is this mira kentro and stego?

[charred hearth]

ye

[balmy oyster]

Dacent

[stark roost]

Just say mira if it’s the smaller one bro 💔

[balmy oyster]

It’s the larger one. So it’s dacent.

[stark roost]

DaCents that small??