paleontology

[open compass]

Why do you think so? Personally, I like all paleo-dinosaurs, both vintage and modern

[outer tusk]

just gonna post this for some people

[open compass]

Yeah

[full lagoon]

I didn't know there was a baby specimen, that's awesome!

[outer tusk]

Toni

[white matrix]

yeah and the Mongolian tyrannosaur is tarbosaurus

[outer tusk]

what's with the last sentence?

[stiff osprey]

They would probably use them as a defense while running away from a predator or if being harrassed from behind, but as an offensive weapon, no

[warped peak]

This looks like a stinkpost

[outer tusk]

Toni is life

[tough parcel]

It's a mythical being 🥀 since it's an angel, it's a mix of animals but most likely inspired by starlings + peacocks and maybe some other birds

Yea, it's likely meant to invoke an iridescent black such as starlings (which were seemingly popular around that time) but more color could have been from peacocks and such

The painting being the Devil after his fall from Heaven would make sense to have black iridescent wings

Oh yea no, it's 100% a hybrid wing

[ancient crystal]

I can't imagine there weren't some absolutely incredible displays that just will never be preserved in dinosaurs.

However, the risk documentaries and paleoart run when trying to fit such things into their animals is just looking totally ridiculous. Because the display features of today look totally ridiculous assuming you don't get to see it in person or on video

[tough parcel]

I mean the main problem with this is that predators don't usually evolve giant display surfaces that would inhibit hunting in any way

Also birds of paradise live in areas where food is in heavy abundance meaning they don't need to worry

[jagged trellis]

the buffet hogging utahraptors must be the answer

[fossil ingot]

Brachio?

[fossil ingot]

Ember is possibly of one my Favorite Looking Guy

[open compass]

Not skin wrapped

[fossil ingot]

Brachio is such a Funnh looking thing

[stiff osprey]

Shoutout JP3 Brach for having the worst color scheme ever

[balmy oyster]

It’s really funny because I remember a certain Roblox dinosaur game using that same color scheme multiple times on its dinosaurs

[undone rapids]

So That's where JP3 got the inspiration from.

[balmy oyster]

They looked into the future for said inspiration

[undone rapids]

To know the past, one must see the future...(yes this means AI Dinos were real)

[ancient crystal]

It genuinely looks ill, which is funny considering it was the JP1 brachis that were actually at all ill

[sudden wind]

I know that I can see those birds, never did and gosh I find them so ugly

[sharp dragon]

Being true to the real animal is almost always a massive plus, it shows there was care to represent the creature you are depicting in more than name. However, this does not mean creators should be a slave to paleoaccuracy. I harp on the Jurassic world animal designs primarily for the fact that so many of them are boring, they suck any soul out of the original animal and replace that with the same copy-paste dull green/brown colors with the occasional crocodile scutes.
I like when my dinosaurs have some actual creativity in their designs, their behaviours when they're unique, notable and different and capable of leaving an impact due to those features.
You show an image of the Jurassic World Baryonyx to your average Joe, and they can't tell you what that is or what movie it's from.
You show them a picture of the Jurassic Park Dilophosaurus, and they might not know its name, but they can tell you what it does, as it has left an impact with its unique flair (even if it's not the actual animal at all and trust me, i'd rather it was).

[static widget]

I think its very fun to imagine what courtship or strange stuff just wasent preserved. Im correct in basiclly no soft tissue is ever really saved? Like we could be missing so many weird skin flaps and feathers.

[sharp dragon]

Of course we are, there's a lot about what these animals looked like other than their basic anatomies that we practically cannot know at this current time.
We already have evidence of soft tissue structures in some animals though, Edmontosaurus Regalis had a specimen preserved well enough to see that it possessed a small chicken-like combe on top of its head. Prehistoric Kingdom and even Jurassic World Evolution have incorporated this feature in their Edmontosaurus, with the former making it a feature exclusive to the males of the species.

[stiff osprey]

a lot of pterosaurs had much larger crests than just the bones suggest, and we only know this due to soft tissue preservation

[sharp dragon]

Aren't you the guy that does those very well made skeletal diagrams?

[stiff osprey]

Well thank you, i do indeed make skeletals

[sharp dragon]

I cannot believe you make skeletons.

[balmy oyster]

They’re fun

[tough parcel]

Evidence dinosaurs are fake?

[wind prairie]

bro cracked the code and thought I wouldn't notice

[sharp dragon]

The devil put the bones in the ground to trick us.

[ashen wedge]

How do you know that the bones of any creature that lives currently, and then dies and gets buried, would that then make the devil the bone bringer?

[wind prairie]

"lost where the strata would yield, the paleontologists followed the pointed tail" ahh theory

[charred hearth]

@hallow spear https://x.com/zerer29/status/1954564842507112458

zerer (@zerer29)

do you think stegosaurs were grieving about their fatasses not being able to run bipedally anymore after reaching a certain size

X · Aug 10, 2025, 3:25 PM

[wind prairie]

elaphrosaurs remembering when they had teeth as a kid 🥀

[charred hearth]

trex missing when it could run

[hardy sentinel]

trex missing when it could hunt living animals

[sharp dragon]

T.rex missing when it wasn't dead.

[ashen wedge]

T-Rex missing not being called a 100% Scavenger from John Horner

[warped peak]

Biggest Proboscideans

[charred hearth]

anyone know what spinosaurid is being depicted in this skeletal?

[balmy oyster]

I think it might be bary

[balmy oyster]

Careful now
Some unfortunate soul is gonna think this is real

[open compass]

I’m not a fan of Jurassic World either, because of it, Jurassic Park gets hating which it doesn't deserve. Jurassic Park actually cared about accuracy and avoided unnecessary stuff, except for the Dilophosaurus speculation with venom and frills of course, that’s the worst thing in the whole franchise, no denying it. I also hate how they showed a juvenile instead of an adult dilo. (That's official size of JP's adult dilo).

[open compass]

(it's from the lost world)

[sharp dragon]

Jurassic parks animal designs were fantastically done scientifically, though they still had a lot of liberties taken in their designs for sake of looking neat. The rex has a boxier skull and more pronounced sharper features, the dilophosaurus was made smaller and given a frill for shock factor and to differentiate it from the Velociraptors.
Jurassic Park really only got things "wrong" on purpose, whether that worked out is personal opinion, and to that i enjoy almost everything they did.

Also, the newest movie has the best animal designs in the whole Jurassic World saga, THE DINOSAURS LOOK COOL AGAIN.

[open compass]

It's technically a new saga with new creators

[sharp dragon]

Giant-canoe shaped-crocodile-goose-beast with added billboard.

Eh, spinosaurus is really just a giant bipedal croc with mega-scoliosis, not too insane (especially when the triassic era existed).

And how dare you compare me to Spinosaurus, i'm have no association to that Marine Iguana.
It is A fence-ive to me.

I was born out of the fires of a wretched world, a perfect being formed the fire and brimstone of a dying planet, to bring perfection and show the peasants the truth.

TL;DR This is peak theropod performance, and there ain't goddamn thing you can do about it.

[balmy oyster]

And yet you were food for discount rex 🥀

[hardy sentinel]

Are ferns producing spores and mushrooms producing spores ancestral or convergent?

[balmy oyster]

(Kidding, obviously. Tarbosaurus is awesome and not a downgrade version of Rex.)

[cloud dagger]

Convergent, fungi were on land before the plants

[sharp dragon]

A small price to pay for no taxes my good chap.

[frigid delta]

who is the fastest non avian dinosaur?
is it Gallimimus or other dino?

[undone rapids]

Microraptor in a Hurricane

[sharp dragon]

Me when i find out that scallops and lakeweed are on special at the local Deinocheirus Mirifimart.

[digital kernel]

How would you guys personally feel about a tabletop wargame where you control a group of dinosaurs to take out the enemy player's group of dinosaurs using strategies based on model attributes? Think a mix between Warhammer and Halo: Flashpoint

And these models are as scientifically accurate as they can be

[ancient crystal]

Aside from the quetz. They should've just said hatzegopteryx, name recognition be damned

[sharp dragon]

I still enjoy the design of the animal regardless, it has all the features i'd want from an azdarchid, with extra color and mean appearance added.
If the hearsay that i've heard is to be believed, the animal was originally supposed to be Thanatosdrakon, but had its name changed to the more well known Quetzalcoatlus for whatever reason. That explains the non-quetz looking appearance
The dominion one was a ridiculously well done design, but i'm not going to act like i dislike this one at all, or even less than the previous on.

And if i want to be really pedantic, we don't have the skull of Q. Northropi if i remember correctly, or at least not enough to really gauge how its head properly looked outside of a basic azdarchid shape, or something like Q. Lawsonii.

Also, it's as heinous and horrific as a pterosaur should be, god those things were made by the devil himself.
Rest in pepperoni's French guy, swallowed like a french fry (ha).

[ancient crystal]

In all honesty though, I really liked Rebirth. Its not a good movie, but unlike dominion its a fun bad movie and between it and Fallen Kingdom, I'd say rebirth is better

[sharp dragon]

To be fair, if a movie successfully entertained you, is it really a bad movie?

Fillet O' filosophy.

I enjoyed it too. It's a fun Dinosaur Island Action-Adventure film with fine characters, fun scenes, cool dinosaurs, pretty visuals and a perfectly mediocre plot.
Some movies need not be more (especially this franchise).

OFF TOPIC O' CLOCK BABYYYYYY

I'm mostly excited to use the cool new dinosaurs in the new JWE game, especially the Titanosaurs.

[ancient crystal]

The 11 ton empire state building sized titanosaurus is my favorite thing in the franchise lol

[next urchin]

O

[warped peak]

(Somehow, the largest land mammal being a Proboscidean returned)

[last adder]

What's backing this up, anyway? I've heard of Zygolophodon before, but I'm pretty sure no valid species of it was this big.. but ofc I could be wrong.

[warped peak]

Milia II

The weight provided just ended up being very wrong when GDI was used instead of a quick guess off modern Elephas

[last adder]

I mean these sizes seem a lot more reasonable to me than what's shown above.

[warped peak]

Its the same size, believe it or not. I matched scalebars myself

[last adder]

Huh.

[full lagoon]

Will/can deinocherius eat these in the game?

[full lagoon]

The Elephas Maximus and Loxodonta Africana labels are swapped 💔🥀

[last adder]

Yeah, you can clearly distinguish the anatomy, and alongside that both individuals shown look pretty small.

[warped peak]

Considering the largest African elephant is like 10 tons, I'm pretty sure its meant to just be averages

[full lagoon]

That's not related to what we were saying, the African elephant is supposed to be under "Loxodonta Africana" and the Asian is supposed to be under "Elephas Maximus". They got it wrong.

[stiff osprey]

Even then the average Asian elephant is more than 3t i think

[last adder]

Exactly.

[full lagoon]

If they can't even label the modern elephants correctly there's no way I can trust that.

[stiff osprey]

As for the mastodon, I assure you Larramendi did more research than "a quick guess off modern Elephas"

[full lagoon]

Exactly

[stiff osprey]

He's the one who made the front and top views used in the GDI, after all...

[full lagoon]

Still don't understand how you misname the two big modern elephant species bro

[warped peak]

I'm not saying the GDI is correct, just that they're the same size

I think the sheer size is off

Figure from https://palaeo-electronica.org/content/2022/3573-mammut-kaltensundheim

[last adder]

And they're literally the only main genera of elephants still around too.

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[stiff osprey]

likely yes, 1-2t heavier would be reasonable but 10 is absurd

[last adder]

Oh wow! It's nice to know a big Tusker such as him is still alive.

[fossil ingot]

Here the original post
https://x.com/KWSKenya/status/1886407823287836872?t=Dt6BqFQBOMW68M9uD4z_Eg&s=19

Kenya Wildlife Service (@KWSKenya)

𝐀 𝐡𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐜 𝐦𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐊𝐞𝐧𝐲𝐚! 🐘After nearly seven decades, the heaviest elephant in Kenya’s history, weighing over 10,000 kg (10 tonnes), was recorded during the recently concluded elephant translocation from the Solio area.
This

X · Feb 3, 2025, 1:34 PM

[last adder]

The way they carried him looks so silly though- and really shows how robust their build is if they can handle being picked up from the legs like that lmao.

[stiff osprey]

That guy is on par with if not bigger than the biggest historical elephant record (396cm and 10.9t)

[last adder]

I hope he gets along well where they moved him.

[stark roost]

Oh that means upscale all the dinosaurs right 😂✌️

[warped peak]

Any idea where the source of error is? I know nothing on GDI

@opaque kayak is the source, I set up the scale, side view, and the width

[last adder]

I mean, our understanding of how big dinosaurs got tends to just go upwards as the years go by- and with fossil animals its hard to tell what true maximum sizes were.

[fossil ingot]

Except Spino
Bro got smallee

[last adder]

Future studies could still show otherwise, and the small one you're mentioning might not be representative of an average or max size.

[stiff osprey]

I can check when i get home but that won't be until next week

[stark roost]

Do you guys think like the large edmontosaurs are like males and it’s just like really heavy dimorphism. This probably is disproven but I’m to lazy to look it up

[warped peak]

Its looking like the scalebar might have been off

[opaque kayak]

I used this scalebar here, I'm wondering if I got it wrong

[warped peak]

Nah i scaled wrong

[opaque kayak]

My garbage GDI didn't help, sorry abt that

[warped peak]

Nah you got the GDI set up right. I'll fix scale then you should give it another go

[hallow spear]

(non of the things posted are GDIs)

[warped peak]

what's the thing he did called I genuinely don't know @hallow spear

@opaque kayak this SHOULD be fixed

[hallow spear]

this would be a multiview

[opaque kayak]

I got around 17 tons in total now, still massive though , big zygo gang

[warped peak]

Got an exact value perchance?

[opaque kayak]

Around 17,019 kilograms, although I'm not at all good at gdi

[astral spindle]

Look at all of them standing for the picture 🥰

(The one in the middle chased us 3 times)

[charred hearth]

why did it chase you

[jagged trellis]

free will

[ashen wedge]

Nah, they about to charge

[astral spindle]

If u look closely there is a very small baby to the left, and another child which is visible, and the car dosent make a very peaceful noise, so she came at us 2 times but immediately left after the engine was turned on. And then the photo thing was done we were leaving and she charged again but it was a again a mock charge, she just screamed at our faces.

I'm surprised she gave us 3 mock charges

[tulip gyro]

Saltwater crocodile attempted predation on a Borneo pygmy elephant

[stark roost]

Wow surprise it escaped

[balmy oyster]

It couldn’t get a good grip on the elephant

[last adder]

Great example of why being so much bigger/wider than your attackers can be a very effective defense.

Depending on the attack/bite style of a predator, it really makes landing solid attacks difficult.

[ashen wedge]

Makes sense that will happen

[mystic kestrel]

Did Chalicotherium have Upper Incisors? Or is it like a cow that has an hardened palate instead?

[tulip gyro]

there has been a case tho of a african elephant needing treatment from a fatal croc attack, the croc has bitten the leg area and got a good chunk out of the elephant

[last adder]

Yeah, definitely. I'm not saying they're invulnerable- just that having widened areas of the body is really helpful in some situations. A well placed attack can always do damage.

[tulip gyro]

correction, not a nile, it was a mugger

[last adder]

Attacking certain areas of the inner legs/underside is one of the best choices a crocodile can make if they're trying to take down an elephant.

The two wildebeest looked really exhausted, so this was definitely a great opportunity for the croc- and they didn't even need to expend much energy in this hunt.

[compact leaf]

dental pad in the front most likely

[scenic peak]

Not mine

@drowsy vapor There is a mummified edmontosaur foot that only has one nail like a hoof.

[drowsy vapor]

So i should do one nail?

[scenic peak]

Probably since they had similar foot morphology,

[drowsy vapor]

Oki tyty :D

[wind prairie]

no!
the one nail is a misinterpretation of the foot

[drowsy vapor]

Oh okay

[drowsy vapor]

Do you have any pic of like para front toes?

[wind prairie]

I think this is better though a para may have it slightly different. I'm not completely sure, but they did not have the large single horse like hoof as so often portrayed

[drowsy vapor]

Ok ty for your help :D

[nova wind]

This makes me wonder if deinosuchus could have predated on small sauropods

[grizzled sundial]

prolly

small/baby/juvie prolly

[stark roost]

Which dinosaurs are confirmed male or female? Ik there’s that One taco with a cloaca but I’m talking about the ones with the meduary ( I butchered that ) bone tissue. I know Rex has a few specimens with it but are there any more?

[grizzled sundial]

not that ik of tbh but i now do wonder js as u do-

[balmy oyster]

Meduary bones aren’t concrete anymore, they can also form via injury

[halcyon cobalt]

we have a confirmed female ichthyosaur

[stiff osprey]

just one?

[halcyon cobalt]

idk

my small brain can only remember one

[maiden wind]

Okay, it's pretty much a consensus that theropods had lips but I just asked myself the following: did terrestrial pseudosuchians have lips as well?

[sharp dragon]

I think that question stems from whether the common ancestor of all Archosaurs or Pseudosuchians had lips.

[charred hearth]

would they have a reason not to have lips?

[flint hornet]

What we’re the disasters that happened during the Permian extinction?

[sharp dragon]

Gas prices were too high.
So everyone died.

[flint hornet]

Relatable,maybe australia is just a Permian extinction then lol

[tough parcel]

Para would be perfectly fine using the old “flesh mitten” look considering the big nail is only known for Edmontosaurus and another hadrosaur mummy shows a flesh mitten

[sharp dragon]

Parasaur with human finger for hoof.

[flint hornet]

What dinosaurs could kill a shantungasaurus?

[scenic peak]

Tyrannosaurus

[flint hornet]

Besides tyrannosaurus,for obvious reasons

[sharp dragon]

Bobby.

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Zesk's Ceratosaurus?

[stiff osprey]

Global warming, ocean acidification and anoxia, and Siberia exploded

[warped peak]

Thats a Ceratosaurus?

[sharp dragon]

What else did you think it was? Saurolophus?
Weird looking Ornitholestes.

[balmy oyster]

why is my trex broken

[stiff osprey]

Zesk is a name I haven't heard in a very long time

[flint hornet]

Nah,definitely a lusotitan lol

[frigid delta]

i want y'all opinion of how accurate is that Cera model

[flint hornet]

I might not be a ceratosaurus connoisseur, but I can make it out for being a ceratosaurus

[sharp dragon]

It's good ceratosaurus, not much else i can say.
The real question is if it's a pancake from the front or not.
Then it's correct.

[frigid delta]

confirmation from Zesk

[sharp dragon]

I'm satisfied, tell Zesk that his Ceratosaurus is officially: DEINOCHEIRUS MIRIFICUS APPROVED!

And that i like it's color palette.

[warped peak]

It has a lot of the core traits, but it also feels very... off for Ceratosaurus. Like the overall body shape, and the amount of teeth

[winter marsh]

it looks a lil bit carchar from JPOG without the crests

[wind prairie]

yes

[maiden wind]

Not really, but depending on how often they changed their teeth, for example, they wouldn't have as much reason to have them as theropods did.

I really think knowing how the foramina pattern of pseudosuchians was would help me a lot here.

[balmy oyster]

Could be based on Scott’s Cera which does differ a little bit from random’s

[tough parcel]

Then there's your answer

If they had no reason to lose lips, they would have lips

Their dentition is not abnormal enough to warrant suspicion either

[charred hearth]

would spinosaurids be replacing teeth often?

[tough parcel]

Why?

[charred hearth]

i heard on twitter that spinosaurids would be replacing alot of teeth weekly, but they didnt actually provide reason 🙁

[warped peak]

Most theropods pretty rapidly shed teeth tbf

[tough parcel]

Probably because there is no reason

Tmk the only support for an idea that spinosaurs had a high rate of replacement is somewhere in Africa having a ton of spinosaur teeth but that could just be river depositing loose teeth from everywhere

[winter marsh]

or maybe Onchopristis was that hard to bite onto

[balmy oyster]

What if we have a 12 ton spino from a tooth but since there’s so many no one bothered to sift through them

[compact leaf]

I do have a really big spinosaur tooth, I should measure and scale it in the name of science

[tough parcel]

You make me sad

[compact leaf]

good 😊

[warped peak]

This but with human femur

[stiff osprey]

We don't, I eated them all

Serious answer is that MSNM v4047 already has enormous tooth sockets, if we were to find the teeth of a 12t spino they would likely be the biggest theropod teeth yet found & therefore make big news

Like the big maxillary teeth are broken but I'm pretty sure they would be larger than Sue's tooth crowns when complete

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/JoannaKobierska/status/1955006334056927606

Joanna Kobierska (@JoannaKobierska)

It's out!
https://t.co/mbOTRadAPO

X · Aug 11, 2025, 8:40 PM

can someone explain this to me in paleo terms on why its happening? https://x.com/TM9380/status/1955068920085295608

Taylor McCoy 🦖 (@TM9380)

The latest jaguar sighting in Arizona. Most of the individuals seen in the states are lone males and I believe that’s the case here

X · Aug 12, 2025, 12:48 AM

[stiff osprey]

isn't it just because male cats have larger territories than females so they have to disperse further away when they grow up?

[charred hearth]

yeah but wouldnt it be like if a tarbosaurus was found in the Yuliangze Formation? , very far from home

[tough parcel]

No because jaguars historically ranged into the United States

[charred hearth]

oh they have...

[sharp dragon]

They do?

OH MY GOD THEY DO.

Thank god i don't live there.

[tough parcel]

I mean again, this is historic range aka they don't get this far anymore

Mostly because they'd get blasted or otherwise killed brutally if they did were here regularly

[compact leaf]

when they are here they’re really cryptic, avoid people if at all possible

[sharp dragon]

Like me all the time.

[serene sedge]

Jaguars used to live in North America at some point and are starting to slowly reclaim some of their lost habitat

[sharp dragon]

Dilong, why do you look like a dog?

[light osprey]

No because Tarbosaurus is extinct and Yuliangze is a geologic formation

[balmy oyster]

Well even if you did you still wouldn’t see any

Cus they’re all dead. They died.

[sharp dragon]

Thank god i don't live there.

[balmy oyster]

Imagine you lived in California

[sharp dragon]

I couldn't.

[white matrix]

this is the real paleoaccurate spino

[sour vector]

sitting down hands clasped together on the table to listen to deinocheirus mirificus give his wisdom on spino

[serene sedge]

Cougars have them beat by a huge margin, from the tip of Alaska to the tip of South America they still range even today. Crazy range for an animal like that.

[stoic crystal]

This is what i've been able to find as the most accurate based on information as of 2024. It's quite a bit different.

[rocky owl]

So anyway.

Screw my home country for destroying an acctual spino fossil.

That's all folks, i am outta here

[sour vector]

sometimes people tell jokes 😔 (wrong reply meant to be @ garn)

[white matrix]

nOOOOOO MY PHOTO IS ACCURATE!!!!!!!1!1!1!1!1!11111111

[stoic crystal]

Where is that one from? @white matrix

[tough parcel]

I would use this, not a toy

[waxen mesa]

This is the real one

[white matrix]

i found it in pot-memes. the most reliable source of information fr fr

[stoic crystal]

I find it funny you consider mine a reference of a toy. Considering it's the PNSO Aymen the Spino.

[tough parcel]

I know

It's still a toy

[white matrix]

why are its arms so huge though

might as well be full on legs

[waxen mesa]

I think Prehistoric Kingdom has the best looking Spino

[stoic crystal]

No idea. I'm not a scientist but it's what they came up with when factoring in it's semi aquatic nature.

[tough parcel]

So they made it up

[stoic crystal]

Yeah. That wasn't said. Ever.

[tough parcel]

Then how do large arms factor into a "semi-aquatic nature" when limbs are usually reduced as the animal becomes more aquatic

Once again, just use the skeletal instead of a toy because it's likely they enlarged the arms to assist in balancing

Not that hard

[stoic crystal]

Because of fossile evidence that showed they were more robust which may have assisted with swimming wading and stabilization of the body. They also hypothesize that they were used for grappling fish and pulling itself through marshy terrain. Which makes sense as it's area it's from was a mangrove area with tides constantly changing.

[ancient crystal]

I sure do love a spinosaurus debate

[ember mulch]

Making me hungry ngl

[stoic crystal]

It also is supported by the fact it had large claws which were curved which showed they were actually used regularly.

[tough parcel]

Source? On like any of this? Considering any material in the arms for Spinosaurus would've been everywhere when annnounced, there's a surprising lack of arm material news...

We have a finger bone which is more dainty than robust but like nothin

[ancient crystal]

Aren't the arms like the only undescribed part of spinosaurus at this point or something?

[stoic crystal]

Ibrahim et al. (2014, 2020): These papers describe newly discovered Spinosaurus specimens from Morocco, including partial forelimb elements. They note the robust humerus and large manual claws, suggesting functional and sizable arms.

Hendrickx et al. (2016): This review of spinosaurid anatomy compares Spinosaurus to relatives like Baryonyx and Suchomimus, which also had strong forelimbs, reinforcing the idea that large arms were typical for the clade.

[tough parcel]

And you're getting this from where? Because I know you didn't type that up yourself

[ember mulch]

I think it had really big wings

[sharp dragon]

So, i have some quibbles with "The Heron Spinosaurus Hypothesis".

For one, I find the term "aquatic pursuit predator" to be a bad term for what an aquatic Spinosaurus would actually be. To put it simply, this thing was not hydrodynamic, it's built like a swan boat with a billboard in it for goodness sake. This animal was not chasing things around like a swordfish, which i think some folk may mistake the Aquatic Spinosaurus Hypothesis in arguing for, which i don't think anyone truly is. I'd see spinosaurus as being a fairly sedate swimmer, like a mixture between a crocodile and a hippopotamus.

Now, for my actual issues with some of the arguments for The Shoreline Fisherman Idea.
An argument i've seen is in reference to the position of the animals nostrils, being far up the snout, giving room for the animal to dip its snout in the water while being able to continue breathing. But this trait is not an adaptation for shoreline fishing, it's simple a side effect of the extension of the pre-maxilla (I believe that's what it's called, i'm quite the layman). You see, Spinosaurus' skull has extended in a way that the nostrils have not moved at all, they have stayed in the same place while the pre-maxilla extends into that iconic crocodilian-esc snout. This is something observable in many modern bird species, most of which have no business wading in water and fishing.

The presence of the tail also make me doubt the claims of it not being partially aquatic. For what reason would an animal have to evolve a sturdy paddle-like structure that it needs to drag around with it everywhere, just for it not to use it for swimming. I believe that tests were done on the animals tail compared to other theropods to determine swimming ability, and it was found that Spinosaurus only had a marginally better ability to do so. But, considering what i said earlier, this is simply more evidence for the sedate swimmer i picture in my mind.

Opinions?

[stoic crystal]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1258750

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2190-3

And some other stuff.
https://blog.everythingdinosaur.com/blog/_archives/2024/03/22/the-new-aymen-the-spinosaurus-is-reviewed.html

[tough parcel]

This is so peak

[stoic crystal]

Yeah no idea why that poppedup for you. Not my fault.

[sharp dragon]

I do have more points, but the message was getting to long for the Discord so i'll let Ye olde Gualicho give his two cents before i continue.

[white matrix]

@brave nova theyre debating about your goat itd be funny if you joined in

[tough parcel]

Oh cause it's in the referred material!

Regardless, that was used in the skeletal by @stiff osprey if they wish to correct me so your point is still wrong. Use the skeletal instead of a toy

[stiff osprey]

What is even being debated

[white matrix]

idk i just didn't know a better word

[hallow spear]

oh boy is this a spino talk about an unclear goalpost

[tough parcel]

I told them to not use PNSO Spino as a "perfect" example of Spinosaurus and to instead use a skeletal such as your own

They refuse

[stiff osprey]

The "it's not a toy, it's the PNSO Aymen" was very funny i'll admit

It's a pretty damn good Spinosaurus toy though, the tail is just like slightly too short

[white matrix]

but it's something about the arms is all i know thats being talked about

[tough parcel]

The size of the arms was in question but it might just be the thing is too far forward

[white matrix]

if spino had arms as large as garnos pictures are saying then knuckle walking spino wouldnt be inaccurate

[stiff osprey]

Aymen is just a trace of the Sereno et al (2022) skeletal

Or the 3d equivalent of a trace

[serene sedge]

Going off of what I said in general, Atlasaurus would be great for another sauropod because it’s large enough to fit in as an apex and it isn’t overly massive. It hits that Brachio aesthetic and it likely could have been fairly speedy given its long legs.

[stoic crystal]

So museum models are toys? is that the terminology that's throwing me off here?

[charred hearth]

is it really accurate that the jwe dinos could only live near the equator? https://x.com/knight_Steve_/status/1955036399931101233

Knight_Steve (@knight_Steve_)

Rebirth literally shows visually that Dinosaurs living in this massive range in the American continent. The Mainland Dinosaurs are still alive, they just relocated elsewhere.

X · Aug 11, 2025, 10:39 PM

[stoic crystal]

It's still based off of the real thing. It's not like Hasbro released it and the museums scooped it up.

[stiff osprey]

Wait, I just scrolled up

The image you posted isn't even Aymen, it's the 2018 Essien model

They literally remade the toy last year to make it bipedal

[tough parcel]

Me when I’m right on a technicality

[serene sedge]

No, it’s hilariously inaccurate just like most of the dinosaurs in that movie.

[white matrix]

someone had an argument with me because they refused to believe jurassic parks velociraptor size was inaccurate

[serene sedge]

We literally have arctic dinosaurs and Yutyrannus regularly lived in mountainous regions with cold weather, dinosaurs could easily survive just about everywhere today.

[stoic crystal]

Seriously though @tough parcel Can you stop with the wilted rose response? It's pretty rude in the context you're using it.

[ember mulch]

Someone blocked me on discord because I said birds are reptiles and they didn’t like that 💀

[stiff osprey]

Me when i use skeletals as reference

[charred hearth]

could they theroretically be able to say / retcon it wasnt actually the climate but the governments?

[ancient crystal]

The best thing to do with JP is accept it as a different universe. Once you do, everything from north american joker giga to tropical only dinosaurs makes sense since you're not trying to fit it into real life

[serene sedge]

Also gonna point out that the 10 ton estimate for titanosaurus really only works with an animal the size of an elephant, the in movie titanosaurus would be well over 80 to 100 tons. JWR really got a lot wrong in so many weird ways.

[stiff osprey]

There are like three different conversations happening here

[charred hearth]

isnt that a good thing to show chat diversity

[thorn grove]

wait they say it's only 10 tons

[sharp dragon]

My little conversation i wanted to start has been drowned.

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, some poor writer probably thought ten tons sounded like a lot

[tough parcel]

Back to this, I can’t comment on the nostril-premax thing simply because I wouldn’t know but I will say there is a significant anatomical difference between spinosaur skulls and bird skulls so using (X) as an exact 1-1 proof that (Y) didn’t do something feels shaky at best

The tail isn’t all that sturdy as you pointed out and, if anything, you could turn it into a display structure over a swimming propeller (though I doubt it wouldn’t ever be used as such)

[stiff osprey]

The confusion is returning to #paleontology ... nature is healing

[thorn grove]

why would i want to understand this chat

[charred hearth]

what would you do if you saw this theri in your room at 3 am

[white matrix]

thats the fun part, no one understands anything in this chat and all has different opinions over whatever is accurate

just, not all are true

[pure grove]

What else would they use

[serene sedge]

Yes because they went off what is said about the actual fossil animal, when they made their 150 foot fish mutant monstrosity they call “titanosaurus” for the movie they made it larger than the largest known sauropods today.

[ancient crystal]

Hey, that 150 foot fish mutant was the best part of the movie

[thorn grove]

another reason i dont watch the jurassic franchise anymore lol

[serene sedge]

I’m not questioning how good it was in the film, I am questioning the accuracy of it.

[white matrix]

despite its size the titanosaurs somehow hid in 3 foot tall grass

in the movie

[ancient crystal]

Just don't go in expecting accuracy. That's not their goal, and hasn't been since Spielberg decided dilophosaurus needed frills

[stiff osprey]

I think Titanosaurus actually does only weigh 10 t in the jurassic franchise. It inflates and deflates itself like a balloon which is why it could hide in grass

[serene sedge]

JWR is filled with plot holes like a fine swiss cheese

[sharp dragon]

I will rephrase, I'm not truly saying that the nostril placement is 101% PROOF THAT SPINOSAURUS WAS NOT A HERON!!!11, it's just something that should be considered and something i don't believe as of now is a convincing enough argument for a shoreline fisher lifestyle.

[tough parcel]

The JP3 Spinosaurus in question…

[stiff osprey]

This also explains how the tail can just float in the air with no muscles or tendons to keep it suspended

[charred hearth]

wasnt jp3 spino accurate for its time?

[thorn grove]

nah the movies are just bad now, accurate or not

[white matrix]

mostly

[tough parcel]

JP3 Spino was the definition of revolutionary, yes

[sharp dragon]

I quite enjoy the Titanosaurus in the movie, it's scene almost got me a tad misty, and i enjoy its design a lot. The patterning, the extendable sails, the long prehensile tail (i am a sucker for those sorts of tails in my animal designs), and the fact it actually was recognisable as a titanosaurid specifically.

[ancient crystal]

Nah, we knew its sail was larger in proportion to its body even back then. Genuinely, the designers turning Spinosaurus' main feature into an after thought makes me unable to like the design. The JWR spinos are better purely because the sails look nicer

[opaque kayak]

Bahariasaurus.

[serene sedge]

Spinosaurus was a billboard pelican and likely did swim but didn’t chase after fish like some documentaries and depictions show, it probably dipped its head into schools of fish or snatched large ones from in the shallows by sitting still. It also probably ate other things besides fish, Irritator and Baryonyx show signs of predation on other animals like small ornithischians and pterosaurs. It was like a big pelican and ate whatever it could catch and swallow.

[tough parcel]

At least it didn’t fly like a hawk too huh? That’d be scary!

[serene sedge]

Bahariasaurus really has no consistent appearance aside from the photographed fragmentary remains, until we find another specimen it will likely remain an enigma.

[charred hearth]

so is dakotaraptors name unusable forever now ? or could it be used for the large hell creek raptor?

[sharp dragon]

I brought up the point of it not being a sailfish earlier as well.
But with its proportions, the paddle, nostril placement not really being in the equation, the bone density it all makes me doubt the shoreline lifestyle, it feels too well adapted for being aquatic to not be.

Anyways, this chat is overstimulating me now and i'm tired.
Good chat folks.

[stoic crystal]

I mean there are creatures that have evolved tails for swimming that exist today. beavers and otters for example

[serene sedge]

As long as you spell it differently you can use it but Dakotaraptor is a chimeric mess and likely doesn’t have a lot of validity to it, the dromeosaur parts of that chimera are potentially from something else maybe even an oviraptorosaur or tyrannosaur. I wouldn’t take it seriously tbh, it is probably as valid as Nanotyrannus is.

[stiff osprey]

It's perfectly plausible for Spinosaurus to hunt by wading (which makes it better than the pursuit predator model by technicality), but yeah, that was definitely not the only way it could catch prey. Would be a huge disadvantage to reduce your legs to near croc levels if your wader ancestors already had perfectly normal legs

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-dinosaur-meme-2027-paleomeme-gif-14471555602216043670

[charred hearth]

when and how was allo's hachet bite debunked?

[stiff osprey]

Sadly before we determine how or if it could hunt on land we need someone to study whether those legs can actually support it

Kinda bizarre no one has tested that yet between all the different papers fighting over it

[serene sedge]

Personally I think it was a big flashy billboard pelican, it swam but not very efficiently or fast, it hunted whatever it could grab and swallow, and was probably not super aggressive towards anything close to its own size. The webbed feet are speculated but I don’t know if there’s much to go on other than the general it lived in/near water therefore duck feet.

[charred hearth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSGdowqESaQ i remember it being shown here

[stiff osprey]

Imagine thinking you've conclusively proven that Spino was fully terrestrial and then you find out he can't fukin stand

This will be real in 2035

[stoic crystal]

I suspect it waited in the shallows for something to swim by and it grabbed it. It's swimming features only really put to use if short pursuit was needed.

[ember mulch]

I think spino had abelisaur arms fr

[serene sedge]

It likely could support itself on land but it wasn’t going after anything fast on land if it did hunt there, my own speculation is that if it wasn’t going after fish then it was sticking its head down burrows.

[stiff osprey]

I also think it was eating any terrestrial animal that was slow enough for it to catch because that just makes the most sense. Would be really funny if it couldn't tho

[serene sedge]

We have spinosaurus arm material but it is not described yet, it has your averageish spinosaurus anchor arms

[ember mulch]

Nah those arms belonged to a diff dino it has very small arms totally

[serene sedge]

Whiskers no, sensitive oral tissue most definitely. Wether it had full lips or partial oral tissue is still debated.

Whisker spino sounds fun but it’s not something I would expect outside of coelurosaurs

[ember mulch]

Mononykus arm spino is better

[serene sedge]

I mean it could have its mouth open in the water, like realistically smacking lips would be the least of its issues with hunting.

As for the paddle tail of Spino well more research is needed not just in Spino but Ichthyovenator as well because it has a paddle like tail.

It may have been a rigid structure for display, a simple rudder, or a fully flexible eel tail. It all depends on the amount of cartilage it’s reconstructed with and how the bones interact in a situation like that.

Spinosaurus is still an enigma but one we know a solid bit about, we at least have a mostly complete picture of it aside from the hands and some anatomical quirks.

[fossil ingot]

We do have a 30t one

[serene sedge]

30 tons is still way too small, 80 or more based on its size in the movie.

[stoic crystal]

JP went so crazy with it's dinos it ran out of real ones to ruin so it started genetically making new ones to mess up.

[stiff osprey]

Calling it "a Brachiosaurus on a massive scale" when the real animal is smaller than Brachiosaurus is very funny

[tulip dove]

JP Brachis are also 56 tons

[stiff osprey]

People forget that Brachiosaurus is already larger than 90% of sauropods lmao

[compact leaf]

yeah brachi is huge lol

[serene sedge]

JWR isn’t consistent with anything really so getting the weight of an animal bigger than the largest known titanosaurs isn’t surprising

[fossil ingot]

Spino is so Peak

[serene sedge]

They call both Mosasaurus and “Quetzalcoatlus” dinosaurs in the movie, the people who wrote the movie and designed the creatures have never interacted with anything paleontology related whatsoever.

[fossil ingot]

Rexy is 8.4t despite been 13.5m
Allo has statements for 2.1t at 12.1m
Its JW Moment

[balmy oyster]

Recapturecreeksaurus

[stiff osprey]

if we count that thing it's larger than like 98% of sauropods

[serene sedge]

Honestly I would count that thing as larger than all known sauropods

[fossil ingot]

Peak

[serene sedge]

JW oversizes its creatures to absurd degrees 200 foot mosasaurs for one example

[stiff osprey]

JWR Titano is like 250 tons if you give it a realistic density, i meant the Recapture Creek brach

[serene sedge]

I have no idea what that is tbh, another obscure specimen that went over my head🫠

The giant stuff I have heard about are some stuff from India, some stupidly big Mamenchisaurs, and a giant Turiasaur. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if there are Argentinosaurus sized sauropods in multiple different times during the Mesozoic.

[balmy oyster]

There’s a possible argentino/argentino ancestor that lived with giga that’s similar sized to patago

[fossil ingot]

JWR atleast gave a Peak Rex design

[serene sedge]

It’s ok, definitely good for a JP rex but that design has soured on me over time.

[balmy oyster]

Yea ngl I really liked the designs in JWR, even the titanosaurs

[slender frost]

Time to make taps herbivores lol

[stiff osprey]

What was the selective pressure to make this animal have such a round butt

[fossil ingot]

Peak evolution I guess

[serene sedge]

Tupandactylus would make for an excellent herbi flyer ngl

[balmy oyster]

Arched back too 🥀

[slender frost]

Not much other use in the game tbf

[compact leaf]

unrealistic beauty standards

[tulip dove]

Which titanosaurid is behind the Brachi again

[fossil ingot]

Argent

[balmy oyster]

Argent

[tough parcel]

Instagram

[serene sedge]

I mean it can bite and probably can have passive buff effects, it doesn’t need to be a killing machine to be a good playable.

Tapejarids could also likely climb trees so a latch attack could also be possible

[slender frost]

Yeah the fact theyre between rhamp and hatz size but dont have much versatility is frustrating

[balmy oyster]

This is where you pull a TI and make it be able to monkey swing on vines from tree to tree

[serene sedge]

They can have versatility if you look for unique niches in gameplay, Tupan would be a decent buffing flyer with a potentially nasty peck with its beak depending on how you design it. Any creature can have a solid niche in gameplay if you build it right.

The same goes for Ark, any creature can be good if you build a good meta for it to fill. Although it doesn’t kind of need to flow well with its anatomy. For example, Pachyrhinosaurus would make an excellent battering ram not a scented candle like it is in Ark>:(

[river plinth]

Least they fixed the hands ill cut them slack of fatting up this yong rex cause the rexy we had was really old

[ashen wedge]

I would say, it’s too tall, but I think that if they kept it as Rexy’s height but kept the muscular bulk

[small smelt]

Yo

[ashen wedge]

And heavily malnourished

[fierce quarry]

I mean, there's in-universe explanation as to why this rex is bigger

[stable marlin]

It's pretty good for Jurassic Park standards. I wish they fixed the face shape a bit but it works.

[fierce quarry]

Best JP rex for sure

The weight, the muscle, the scene it is in, the colors...

[ashen wedge]

I know, but I am saying that the filmmakers should have had the paleontologist say that Quetz and Mosasaurus aren’t dinosaurs, and besides I find it funny that Goliath is still heavier than the Mega Rex

[fierce quarry]

Oh yeah definitely the Quetz and Mosa mistakes shouldn't have been in

[ashen wedge]

It would have been perfect if the paleontologist didn’t say that, but the business guy say it, and then have the paleontologist to correct him

[sudden wind]

Why are the premaxilla teeth so long 🥀I

[sharp dragon]

Biggest crime of the film is Loomis not hinting at Mosasaurus and Quetzalcoatlus not being dinosaurs.

[fierce quarry]

Other than that, I really enjoyed the film. Way more than Dominion

[elfin leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-jurassic-world-rebirth-jurassic-park-jurassic-world-spino-gif-568317402432181042

[sharp dragon]

The keypoint here is that this movie looks good, has cool dinosaurs, and is fun.

[sharp dragon]

Question: Do people still hate this Spinosaurus for some reason? i adore it personally.

[balmy oyster]

The woman eater

[harsh forge]

Still wonder how the woman didint hear allat splashing

[sharp dragon]

It can be easy to blot out things when you're panicking.
Especially when your boat crashed and your being actively assaulted by a gaggle of hell geese-crocodiles.
And a fat monitor lizard.

[harsh forge]

Thats is fair m'lord

[fierce quarry]

Nah, I really like it. Also, it seems they can camouflage

[sharp dragon]

More Carnival but alright.

[harsh forge]

They should add a deinocherius in the next jw

[tough parcel]

https://youtu.be/tRL5L3V9X0g?si=aZDYAqHnil7aybkM

Behold: Jurassic World 8

[sharp dragon]

I do enjoy the Digital Duck Deinocheirus.
Also fun little short film, nice and cozy minus the suchomimus (hideous beast).

[scenic flame]

????
my dude it doesn't need to be a 3 or 4 slot to work

[tough parcel]

Honestly thought that was me for a second and could not remember for the life of me what I said that’d warrant such a response

[halcyon cobalt]

yeah okay bud

[plain plank]

Yall think the new spino model gonna have webbed feet like how some papers described it?

[halcyon cobalt]

Yeah

[flat pond]

https://youtu.be/S3-n22oIgOs?si=UQRGQU4826598CIi

[tulip dove]

Goober

[maiden wind]

That is assuming the common ancestor of all archosaurs had lips, which I think is almost certain but I still have my doubts. Honestly, what convinced me they had lips was the Postosuchus' foramina pattern, which is the same as most theropods.

[tough parcel]

I mean it's not all archosaurs, it's all tetrapods period

[floral ivy]

||Homalocephale replacement||

[ancient crystal]

Most likely

[hasty seal]

Allo was strongest dino💪 better then everything even compy

[zealous ravine]

Idk Compy was p strong

[charred hearth]

thoughts on spinos crest?

[pastel wedge]

Very pronounced which is said to be accurate so I love it

I hope the only main changes between the subspecies are the sails because this “armored” subspecies is looking delicious in every way but the sail

[fierce quarry]

A partial skull was found with an even bigger crest, I hope it's a subspecies

The pouch it seems to have looks awesome, the skull seem to be sooooo much better too. The tail looks cool and accurate with some speculation (Spines on it). Overall, very good remodel

[tulip stream]

All that from a shadow

[balmy oyster]

I’m so glad spino’s getting a remodel. It was in dire need of one

[fierce quarry]

The shadow at the end shows most of the morphology yes, at least one sub.

[sudden wind]

Spino tlc looks to be peak

[ancient crystal]

I can't wait to hear how much the PoT fanbase hates it

[fierce quarry]

If they hate the remodel, they hate current Spinosaurus irl

[ancient crystal]

They hate everything.

[fierce quarry]

Oh

[sudden wind]

They hate what doesn't look like playdoo

[ancient crystal]

They haven't enjoyed a single release from the devs since before hatz.

Genuinely, when the TLC releases, watch #path-of-titans it will be as if you were on a PoT reddit hate forum

[last adder]

The community of this is so horrendous sometimes-

[topaz shell]

It already looks so much better than the original

[ancient crystal]

I love the shape of the spine in that shadow.

But yeah, the release will be rife with people hating everything from abilities to a model that to them "doesn't feel right."

[lost moon]

I’m very excited for Spino’s new model. its old one is trying to compromise between ‘cool jurassic park’ and an accurate reconstruction and it just ends up looking really bad. the lumpy tail is so ugly on all the subspecies and I really hope they nail a better balance with the ‘cool’ angle they’re going for (scary metallic roar, apex carnivore, etc) and an actual proportionally accurate model build.

[last adder]

I honestly have never associated the current Spinosaurus model with the Jurassic Park franchise.

[lost moon]

people will be mad because it’s likely got better scale texture and proportions, but I expect more toxicity to come from whatever playstyle it’ll have that won’t just be face tanking everything. My main hope is that it just has a great model with new skins and some speculative features, but I don’t expect full realism on abilities - just a nice model will do.

[lost moon]

to be honest, it doesn’t look like the JP spino at all - I just mean that I feel they were going for a ‘cool’ look and they tried to make it a bit crocodilian and scary. I think the old model ends up looking a bit ugly because of that

[serene sedge]

The current model is the 2014 Spinosaurus reconstruction

[last adder]

Honestly I feel that a wide reaching tail sweep that's distinct from regular tail attacks could replace its stomp nicely while actually utilizing it's anatomy well.

(I don't even play spino or carnivores often, but that's just my take.)

[balmy oyster]

@ancient crystal ion feel like typing all that again, what I was gonna say was just cus some people are mid and are more vocal about it doesn’t mean everyone thinks the same thing

[serene sedge]

It also does a beaver like tail slap as it walks in the trailer so I am guessing it is some kind of attack/buff move

[open compass]

More like 2018

[serene sedge]

It was based off of the 2014 findings for the animal, short legs, M sail, fixed posture, but lacking the tail anatomy.

[fierce quarry]

Wasn't 2014 the knuckle walking proposition ?

[serene sedge]

I think so? But that was blown aside shortly after, it definitely has the old Franoys skeletal proportions though

[open compass]

https://kongtrex.artstation.com/projects/09LeE

[open compass]

Well, this is 2019's reconstruction

[serene sedge]

Maybe?

It still has the 2014 proportions but is bipedal, effectively just the original skeletal standing upright.

[outer tusk]

That's because POT spino was made in 2019

[torpid zephyr]

Is the Sobek Model from the new walking with dinosaurs paleoaccurate?

[serene sedge]

As far as I can tell yes

[undone rapids]

Considering the people that are uncovering and describing the neotype spino skeletal were advising everything about it, yeah. Pretty sure it even incorporates some material that hasn't been described yet giving it a slightly longer tail

[serene sedge]

Actually it’s pretty spot on

[torpid zephyr]

Thank god, Just a big fan of this look is all.
Very regal looking like a pharaoh, while looking very imposing

How do we feel about the lack of lips though? I understand that lipless is pretty controversial

[pastel wedge]

Spino is actually just a croc that got very deformed /j

[topaz shell]

I doubt spinosaurs had lips except for maybe the ones related to baryonyx

(I forgot what the group was called)

[tough parcel]

Spinosaurus is the only one where you can make it lipless and it’s fine

This is because the teeth splay out too far to be covered by lips unless Spinosaurus has lip attachments never before seen in any animal

[fierce quarry]

Baryonychinae ?

[topaz shell]

Yeah

[civic fiber]

question here, what differentiates oxalaia from spino?

[topaz shell]

We don’t know it’s literally only two fossils iirc

[civic fiber]

but if oxalaia got classified as its own thing there has to be a reason right? even if its dubious

[undone rapids]

It survived the museum fire, but got badly damaged it seems. Its got some minor differences it seems, which are here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalaia#Description

[outer tusk]

I think the only problem iicr I saw is the head to neck attachment

[serene sedge]

Yeah that is one major issue with the depiction in this show

[fossil ingot]

Sobek the Goat

[compact leaf]

walking with dinosaurs fame is a statement

[deft pasture]

has anyone here ever been to a real fossil formation?

[torpid zephyr]

Does la brea tar pits count

[deft pasture]

sure

[torpid zephyr]

Also is this paper reliable or accurate
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373816152_Spinosaurs_as_phytosaur_mimics_a_case_of_convergent_evolution_between_two_extinct_archosauriform_clades

[charred hearth]

would spinosaurids need webbed feet for wading or nah?

[rancid dove]

Did he die young adult?

[undone rapids]

Yeah, It was still growing, how quickly is a bit unclear.

[torpid zephyr]

Fark yes but only when I was a kid for my birthday, worth the trip will go with my girlfriend next year for sure

[deft pasture]

i would love to go to the kem kem beds in morocco but just not entirely sure of how safe travelling in morocco is

[little mauve]

There's a footprint from Spain that may show a webbed spinosaurid foot, we still need more evidence either way though

[undone rapids]

Iberia was really spinoland I guess, same with West Africa

[winter marsh]

I think Oxalaias snout tip was a bit thinner? IDK

[undone rapids]

It was stuff like having an extra alveoli and more

Its in the description section of the wiki page for oxa

[last adder]

I think one of the only parts we have of it is the snout tip.

[civic fiber]

as someone who lives in Spain, i was surprised that my homeland is spinosaurid country (and also concavenator)

[robust crane]

what is a sigilmassasaurus

[thorn grove]

A sigma dino

[balmy oyster]

Spino relative

[scenic peak]

Another difference was that Oxalaia was discovered in the Alcântara Formation of Brazil. Not Africa. Ik im a lil late to the convo but they weren’t mentioning it.

[civic fiber]

I came here at light speed thinking spino tlc released dangit 😭

-# thx for the info tho

[scenic peak]

Np lmao.

[scenic peak]

I think sigilmassasaurus was probably just a different species of spinosaurus, but it did have a shorter, more robust neck and possibly a thicker snout. Other than that it could’ve been slightly bigger than spinosaurus.

[brittle sinew]

Retexturing a mod i play, i want to strive for a more realistic feel, can i ask questions about that here?

[charred hearth]

how would large toothless itchyosaurs hunt? like shoni and and shasta?

[fossil ingot]

Sigil is spino with proportionally longer legs, different Skull and possibly shorter sail

[balmy oyster]

Albertosaurus is just gorgosaurus but with proportionally longer legs, different skull and shorter torso

[warped peak]

Tyrannosaurus is just Aerosteon with a more robust body, a larger head, different skull, and shorter legs

[balmy oyster]

Corvus is just euparkeria with a more feathered body, beaked mouth, different skull, and large chest muscles

[proper dove]

Is Miragaia valid? Can’t seem to find a solid answer

[balmy oyster]

It’s in a bit of a debate, but I saw somewhere that it has capability of being valid again

[brittle sinew]

What environment did Abrigramma live in?

[stiff osprey]

Shoni did have teeth, as for Shasta i have no idea

[proper dove]

Poor Miragaia and thank you

[ancient crystal]

Shasta gummed things to death in a most horrific display

[charred hearth]

is voring its prey a option?

[hardy sentinel]

Didn't the large itchyosaurs hunt squids? You basically just gotta crush their heads, no need for teeth when you got a strong bite force

[stiff osprey]

There weren't any known squids in the Triassic big enough to feed Shasta, and it was unable to suction feed so it couldn't vacuum whole swarms at the same time

[last adder]

Their mouths dont look the best suited for suction, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have snagged prey and swallowed em whole.

[ancient crystal]

Perhaps shasta's prey just hasn't been discovered yet

[hardy sentinel]

Maybe the prey was the friends we made along the way

[balmy oyster]

Chances are there probably were big cephalopods to exist within deeper waters, but this is entirely just speculation so maybe they photosynthesized idk

[brittle sinew]

Were squids or small fish an option?

Maybe it was a filter feeder?

[ancient crystal]

Maybe shasta thought it could get all its nutrients it needed from the air and sun like my cousins do, and that's why it went extinct

[stiff osprey]

Not a filter feeder, we would have found evidence of baleen if it was

[stiff osprey]

Well there is a 5 m long ichthyosaur specimen (Guizhouichthyosaurus iirc?) that vored a 4 m long thalattosaur

[brittle sinew]

Wikipedia (may not be a valid option)

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-sucker-succ-pog-gif-5055206602185854794

Shasta trying to eat a large ichthyosaur while being toothless:

[stark roost]

I hope the Spino TLC will have the actual subspecies names for Spinosaurus instead of fictitious ones ( not including aegyptiacus ) since we have 2 synonymous Spino species ( Oxalaia and Sigil ) we could use Quilombensis and Maroccanus

[ancient crystal]

Shasta was actually a giant corydoras

[balmy oyster]

Would be funnier if they waited for the new upcoming species and used that as one of the subspecies

[fossil ingot]

Wonder if a Sub will have a Crest based on that skull

[balmy oyster]

Missed opportunity not to

[hardy sentinel]

Hope so

[stark roost]

Cause like why would you not use 2 perfectly good subspecies that actually exist irl! Instead of some Shanksius like what does that even mean

[ancient crystal]

Is that an actual spino sub?

(I don't pay attention to the names)

[balmy oyster]

Spinosaurus shakalaka
Only thing that changes is it has 2 inches more fat and no crest

[sharp dragon]

No crest.
No spine
And probably no tail paddle because this guy feeds on fish.

[pliant cedar]

this book has such peak art

[sick gull]

shrink wrapped to hell but neat

[ancient crystal]

Eh, its only shrinkwrapped a little bit

[tender needle]

guys is jurrasic park spino paleoaccurate?

[tender needle]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-panting-gif-7697938200848367921

[undone rapids]

Yes

[tender needle]

shouldn't it have like a paddle tail or a crest or is this a diff kind of spino

[frigid delta]

SCREAM IF YOU LOVE DINOSAURS

[undone rapids]

I was Joking, no its not accurate. The new ones from JW rebirth are alot closer

[tender needle]

alr

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

[undone rapids]

This is basically it for fully accurate spino

[tender needle]

ty

[tender needle]

btw what would be the height of an adult spino bcs wherever i search up theres always a diff answer

[tender pawn]

My childhood😅

[pliant cedar]

herrera ❤️

[undone rapids]

That's probably due to where the height is being measured(its usually at the hip for theropods) and which specimen, since the one we have and it very complete is much smaller than what some fragmentary specimens suggest. 2.5m at the hip, top of sail is around 4.5ish meters for the big ones

[tender needle]

one of the answers i found were 70ft + 💀

[open compass]

Expect for it's face, it's skin wrapped

Here's a better spino

[tough parcel]

https://youtu.be/Hdwj3rKDS4I?si=VaR-R-sM3aYS4Ne0

Why not this guy

[open compass]

It's also great

[fierce quarry]

River of Giants, Gimme

[lavish frigate]

I’m looking forward to surviving earth with the concept art for le baby spino

[crystal dock]

Too bad it's used for a likely dubious species

[frigid delta]

what abt this Spinos?

[ancient crystal]

Can we like, get people in this chat so they realize the new TLC is just what spino looked like

[elfin leaf]

It is indeed very good

[tough parcel]

Um no actually, the Spinosaurus is wrong and bad because it's too thin and the tail clearly resembles a paddle so it would have been super fast in water!

[ancient crystal]

I've seen people calling it too fat

[elfin leaf]

Nothing a diet can't fix 🤗

[half spire]

I haven’t been here long but I love this sm

[fair dome]

i miss it

[hoary sun]

but spino doesn't look like movie monster anymore!!! people don't care about paleoaccuracy

[fierce quarry]

I swear this community actually dislikes dinosaurs for real

[tough parcel]

[tulip stream]

You should have seen some people’s reactions to Sty actually becoming accurate

[fierce quarry]

People complained about Sty ? Really ? Ffs

[tulip stream]

Not even a joke some dude said he liked the old model better and another person said they ruined stys model

[fierce quarry]

I swear the community will eventually be the death of this game one day

[ancient crystal]

A bad community can and will kill games. It killed Beasts of Bermuda, which only really survives on officials

[fierce quarry]

I know, I play BoB a lot atm. It depends on which official server you play on tho. Also, Notice how in BoB, When they showed us they're Utahraptor, people didn't say "NOOO I WANT MY JP RAPTOR REEEE"

[tough parcel]

This is because BoB survives off the "I WANT EVERYTHING FLUFFY" community

[normal fable]

The handful of people that dislike a tlc are far outnumbered by those who enjoy it

[fierce quarry]

Because the feathered ones WERE feathered

[junior dawn]

you did amazing

[ancient crystal]

If the haters are truly a minority, that's perfectly fine. But toxicity is easy to spread and even a minority can kill a game. Which is my concern.

[fierce quarry]

Did they work on the remodel ?

[fierce quarry]

What I'm seeing here in global is making me regret interacting in that part of the discord again unfortunately. Modding can be very toxic too. I always had good interactions in paleontology tho

[plain plank]

I swear some people play this game and dont even like dinosaurs anymore, this model looks great. I dont think i see webbed feet but its aight

[fierce quarry]

tbf, I don't think there's evidence of webbed feet in Spinosaurus itself, so it's alright. The remodel is one of the most beautiful Spinos I've seen

[signal valley]

i love the models, spino is just undersized now

[topaz shell]

I don’t get the hate but yk they do this everytime

[fierce quarry]

Is it ? I don't know how oversized old Spino was

[plain plank]

I think thats bc most of PoT dinos are a bit exaggerated in size compared to their irl counterparts

[topaz shell]

It was pretty oversized before the tlc

Idk how big the tlc is havent played yet

[signal valley]

a bit oversized, but it's definitly too small. atleast in character menu, it is the same size as sucho and alot smaller than rex. and in game, the arms almost reach the ground.

[topaz shell]

I mean iirc spino and sucho ARE the same height?
Don’t quote me tho

[fierce quarry]

Like, we have to keep in mind that Spinosaurus wasn't tall. The sail is what makes it look like it is tall. It is the longest theropod tho

[signal valley]

no, spino at the head (i know theyre measured at hipheight but still) is the tallest mega-theropod

[topaz shell]

No?

[fierce quarry]

Absolutely not

[stiff osprey]

the humble therizinosaurus

[signal valley]

definitly is, because of its more upright posture compared to other megatheropods. so even with smaller legs, it is pretty tall. you can see that in every recent and properly studied size chart, that spino is the tallest (at head, and maybe except for therizinosaurus)

[fierce quarry]

Can you send the most recent size chart you're talking about ?

[topaz shell]

Then again we don’t use head height
We use hip height

[signal valley]

that's true (that's why i talked about head height, because theyre measured in hip height which makes it not much of a competition)

[jagged trellis]

oh wait are you THE pot modeling zach?
if so on spoon, you did excellent id say

[hallow spear]

@outer tusk do you have that one pick of stegosaurus showing the deltoids range of motion to the left / right, i made a joke that it was dancing at one point

[tough parcel]

No, they're the imposter

The real Zach is kept in our basement because I hate him

[jagged trellis]

ah that explains alot
tell him that left over mcdonalds fry for the weekly feeding was from me

[pure grove]

It was still relatively tall

[tough parcel]

Is this MNSM or the stupid toebone scaling that no-one in their right mind should trust

[stiff osprey]

That's the toebone scaling, don't use that

[fierce quarry]

Yeah I was gonna say, that looks very wrong

[pure grove]

I will be trusting both as a spino investor

[tough parcel]

Evidence that fragment scalers are the root cause of all problems in the paleo-community

[stiff osprey]

I mean you can use toebone spino scaling if you also use the toe bone Rex that is 20% larger than Sue

[pure grove]

Rex consistently mogs everything smh

[stiff osprey]

Actually i think it was 10% larger not 20% but still

[scenic flame]

there's also the people who think spinosaurus not being obese or not having elephantiasis is shrink wrapping

[tough parcel]

Sorry Vivid, the scientists aren't correct and Spinosaurus' tail was perfectly adapted for high-speed swimming

[hallow spear]

Spinosaurus actually has seal like limbs

[stiff osprey]

I feel so bad when I see a fat Spinosaurus

Those legs can BARELY support its muscle mass as is how are you going to make it harder for it to walk

[fierce quarry]

Quick question btw

[hallow spear]

i wonder if spino was actually much thinner than we think... and the reason its so wide is because we are acktually copeing

[stiff osprey]

Henderson (2018)

[winter marsh]

Spino was actually attached to the floor using parasitic roots and had a prehensile tongue to hunt the defenseless Rugops

[scenic flame]

the Trever Henderson.....

[fierce quarry]

I read here yesterday that the scale is towards no lips for Spino because the teeth are too splayed out and it would require a lip structure that would be different from everything else. Is that based on recent studies or just things thrown like that

[kindred night]

I want to come here and remind everyone, just because the PoT Spino doesn't match your favorite contemporary piece of paleoart doesn't make it any less accurate.

[stiff osprey]

Just observation of the bones. Spinosaurus teeth are splayed and interlocking at the front, so the only way you can cover them with lips is if it was a super thick, hippo-like thing that covered the entire mouth. And the latter would really get in the way of fast underwater strikes, which is Spino's main way of catching prey

[scenic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-undertale-meme-spamton-spamton-critic-gif-23472878

[tulip stream]

Hey it’s the guy from wplace

[zenith rose]

New spoon kinda small? This is probably my only critique on the TLC so far. Love the model, skeptical of the height…

Both pictures taken to scale in loading screen overlayed

[fierce quarry]

Or is Rex too big ?

[zenith rose]

That may be it also, but it’s similar in comp to titan, duck, and sucho, which would make them all too big

[tough parcel]

I mean your first problem might be that they're not on the same level

[brave nova]

They are still comparable in size, once the server I use to compare stuff comes back I’ll send one side by side

[zenith rose]

Well shoot lol, I took the pictures at scale but seems spoon itself is lower I’ll fix them to compare thank you

[stiff osprey]

I don't mind if Spino is smaller now but I admit it was funny to hear the trailer going "Spinosaurus will use its massive size to fight off packs" and then ingame it's the smallest of the three apexes

[tough parcel]

Fooor realism!

[normal fable]

Please set me free... I wish to frolic in the fields once more

[zenith rose]

This looks a little nicer. When I was next to another apex I looked so dwarfed. Here’s a better scaled image where the feet are lined up… so it’s not as bad I can say now that I’ve been corrected but it still feels a smidge too small

But then again not everything is size accurate in PoT so I can put it to rest regardless

[tough parcel]

I mean using the neotype Spinosaurus and Sue T. rex, that's about right

[zenith rose]

I was under the impression the body itself was just a touch higher, but as I said, I can put it to rest because it isn’t a huge difference of course

[stiff osprey]

Ok but the neotype would not be an apex predator in an ecosystem with Suchomimus, T.rex and 12 meter Sarcosuchus lmao

The trailer shot next to Rex looks quite a bit larger, in Red's screenshot the sail is the same height as Rex's hip, while in the trailer it's a good meter or so higher

[tough parcel]

Evidence we were lied to?

[zenith rose]

Im using the armour subspecies by the way, so that changed the sail height slightly

I do think the size is a little off from the trailer but it wasn’t all accurate for spoon to be as big as it was pre-TLC anyway so I don’t really mind

[ancient crystal]

Stange how people are so willing to accept toe bone spino or giga dentary but they need a full rex skeleton to accept an upsize.

[stiff osprey]

To be fair a dentary is fairly reliable as far as single bones go

but yeah toe bone scaling is silly

[ancient crystal]

Well in that same vein isn't a femur another reliable bone for scaling?

It just seems the reception to (is it goliath or cope, I can't remember) was met with much more skepticism than the giga dentary. But don't get me wrong I love some healthy skepticism in my science, just so long that it is applied evenly.

[brave nova]

I mean idk if using the loading screen really shows the actual sizes either as they are all have different camera zooms, have u been in game with a pot Rex where u can then get a side by side?

[stiff osprey]

I would say a femur is the most reliable single bone to scale with, my issue with Goliath is that it seems to have been found broken into a bazillion pieces, so the way it was restored could easily affect its size

Cope rex is good though

[zenith rose]

I have been in game next to a rex and I did not get a screenshot, no, but when the servers die down a little I could try. Everything’s full right now so it would take a minute, but I also lined up the backgrounds to make sure it was even in the loading screen but then again I have no clue what I’m doing so take my screenshot with a grain of salt

[brave nova]

Cause then based off that pic Sucho dwarfs the spino which wouldn’t make much sense there

[zenith rose]

That’s what I was initially confused about, because yeah sucho IS rex height but they do have similar shoulder to hip ratio in life IIRC

[scenic flame]

I think people just don't realise how big sucho is and how not titanic spino is

[brave nova]

Oh ik Sucho is giant but im talking about in pots system aswell with the sub apex Sucho then towering over the apex spino

[zenith rose]

I agree with you there, since I was corrected about my previous image I’m content with the size now… and I do like seeing people being confused of suchos height next to rex lol

[ancient crystal]

Doesn't help that sources like Britannica still say spino is 20+ tons

[tough parcel]

The sucks-you-mimus

[zenith rose]

Oh my gosh. Tell me about it… so hard debating with people who won’t open professional paper links and only go to sources like that

[brave nova]

Sucho next to NHMUK

[undone rapids]

The Mimus

Also here's Sucho nect to the Neotype spino(also rex is there but sucho long neck)

[charred hearth]

how do we all feel about the spinosaurus remodel?

[fierce quarry]

Very well done

[ancient crystal]

Its amazing

[lost moon]

basically everything I wanted out of the design. they preserved the cool angle with its new animations and abilities but the model has much better scale textures and proportions :)

[brave nova]

@zenith rose

[idle vessel]

More accurate I love it

[zenith rose]

Yeah that’s not bad at all then, thank you. Looks very good in comparison

[charred hearth]

how accurate is jwe apato?

[balmy oyster]

No

[lyric dome]

The movie version would be considered more accurate lol

[torn hatch]

SNATCHED

[ancient crystal]

JWE apato is considered one of the worst models in the game in terms of movie accuracy

[fathom maple]

At least it doesn't look like the jwe camarasaurus

[ancient crystal]

Jwe cama looks like it has breathing problems, but yeah apato is better than cama at least.

I was talking film accuracy, which it doesn't really do well

[fathom maple]

Oh yeah

[ancient crystal]

Especially considering they had a really good 30+ second shot of the apatos head in the film lol

[fierce quarry]

Is that Dreadnoughtus in Primitive War ? x)

[lyric dome]

Apatosaurus from the Jurassic Franchise

[fathom maple]

Yeah that guy is....

It looks worse in game

[balmy oyster]

All things considered, there’s worse than this.

It honestly looks…fine? You can tell it’s camara without issue

[ancient crystal]

It was before frontier realized they could have their own design philosophy independent of universal

[silver canopy]

*before universal realized that people like frontier designs more.

Glad universal is letting Frontier do their thing for JWE3

[ancient crystal]

Well that's not entirely true, I appreciate the JP and TLW designs, but seeing how the JW franchise went its clear that its a design philosophy weirdly hard to replicate so Frontier is better off doing their own thing

[silver canopy]

It's not hard to replicate..

Let's look at megalania

First, we shrinkwrap it, next we remove any and all distinguishing features, and now.. for the final part we add crocodile scutes

[ancient crystal]

That's the JW philosophy, not JP

[silver canopy]

Ohhh
I thought you were saw the JW design philosophy was hard to replicate

[stiff osprey]

JP philosophy is also easy, just take a GSP skeletal, pronate the hands, make the head 50% wider, and make the foot pads really thick

[ancient crystal]

Right, but for some reason big studios fail to do this, and instead of charming retro, we get grey scute vomit

[silver canopy]

The worst JWE design is absolutely the lioplerodon

[misty scarab]

Deinonychus:

[ancient crystal]

The one aquatic I won't be pressed about if it gets cut

[silver canopy]

It's everything wrong with the JW artstyle

It's shrinkwrapped to the point you can still see finger nubs...

[silver canopy]

At least deinonychus is VISUALLY appealing and has a reason it looks that way

[stiff osprey]

Every T.rex in media since 2005 has just tried to be the V.rex from King Kong, and it never looks good

Partially because the V.rex itself didn't look good, it was supposed to be the last inbred survivors of a dying species

[charred hearth]

thoughts?

[ancient crystal]

Deinonychus is a victim of its time

As a JWE1 design, it had to be distinct from velociraptor and had some exceptional skins whereas the raptor was extremely bland until the raptor squad DLC

in JWE2 it loses its purpose

[silver canopy]

Also the scorpios is a good hybrid. It looks unhealthy.

Like I get frontier didn't design it, but I like how they didn't try to beautify it at all, it's still really ugly.

[stiff osprey]

It would be cool to see, but realistically it will never happen because 95% of the audience for dinosaur movies is children

[ancient crystal]

Honestly, same with D. rex, for something so alien and strange (and perhaps one of the greatest modern monster designs not tied to Godzilla) it was criminally underused

[stiff osprey]

Also, of all the dinosaurs that could eat a baby, eaten by Compsognathus is probably the ugliest way to die, so even if they were allowed to kill kids onscreen it probably wouldn't be compies doing it

[jagged trellis]

"needlessly cruel"
i mean thats part of the point
showing the danger of these things vs
teenager no diffs allosaurus and ninja kicks velos to death

[silver canopy]

Not underused. It being used sparingly is what makes it so nice

[tough parcel]

The problem is that the people who want this scene in ignore the point of this scene existing (being that dinosaurs were already on the mainland before the events of the novel and that their control was not absolute like they believed even before Nedry destroyed the systems)

They just want it because "Muh mature scene"

[ancient crystal]

I mean as a plot point, little screen time is a tried and true classic of movie horror even if modern audiences don't understand that

[charred hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lost-world-jurassic-park-the-lost-world-jurassic-park-kelly-curtis-malcolm-kelly-malcolm-gif-22724159

[silver canopy]

And shots that don't reveal the entire monster.. just 👌

We really need another dino horror film franchise. Maybe if primitive war does well, we'll see more

[ancient crystal]

That first shot of godzilla in hawaii is probably the greatest scene in the monsterverse

[silver canopy]

Also a terror bird like keleken would be an amazing film monster.

You can trick the audience into thinking it's a raptor like they're used too because of the toe claw only to reveal something almost completely novel.

[ancient crystal]

I'll tell you what's needlessly cruel, this scene making the final cut

[fierce quarry]

I know, it's a joke, lemme find the picture

[stiff osprey]

Not gonna lie I don't know why showing child death is illegal because "kids will be watching" but showing adults dying in a movie for kids is fine

[tough parcel]

This is because adults are myths

We can see this in the adult Nanotyrannus

[ancient crystal]

It teaches the children about mortality whilst preserving the wimsy and joy of childhood...

Or something...

[stiff osprey]

Noo you can't show a baby dying it will scare the kids!!! Now pull up the 5 minute long extended sequence of a woman being ripped apart by Pteranodons and a Mosasaurus

[charred hearth]

i have a question, was it a good idea to release every dinosaur into the wild instead of letting them get gassed to death in fallen kingdom?

[ancient crystal]

Yes but she was a neglectful nanny, her death is a child's fantasy

[stiff osprey]

All she did was be on her phone a lot

Evidence that I too would be ripped apart if I was in a JW movie

[ancient crystal]

An ecological disaster of apocalyptic proportions, whose implications would have been wildly more interesting than the last two movies

[tough parcel]

It's ok, you'd downscale any attackers before they harmed you...

[silver canopy]

Should have let them die so we didn't have to watch dominion

[stiff osprey]

Realistically yes, because there were at best 50 dinosaurs inside that mansion, all of them large and conspicuous animals that would be captured within 2 weeks

The fact that the later movies decided to turn those 50 dinosaurs into 5000 is not my problem

[charred hearth]

i mean, even if they didnt want to capture them, they could've just spade them like they did to the hippo population in columbia i believe?

[ancient crystal]

Perhaps they had the DNA of starfish and could reproduce through breaking off limbs

[tough parcel]

They didn't do that to the hippo population though

I thought that was too expensive to even attempt

[charred hearth]

heres what i found

[ancient crystal]

What is it with african wildlife having small isolated populations in the americas?

[stiff osprey]

I like how ecological balance is in quotes

We need more conclusive evidence to say that putting a hundred multi ton herbivores in an environment that never had them before will be bad

[charred hearth]

rich people thinking their exotic and then them escaping into the wild ( i have no clue if thats what happened with the califorian zebra's but i believe their happy over there )

[ancient crystal]

What about the mexican giraffes

[charred hearth]

turns out theres also giraffes in texas, as people in texas just have alot of animals roaming free on private land

[ancient crystal]

And who could forget the texan ostrich plague of the 90s

[balmy oyster]

I agree with the guy saying there’s no point for this scene to be shown

Everything else in both the franchises has proven you can make dinosaurs scary without having them eat babies, and rebirth especially proves it several times through the movie even when the dinosaurs are acting like ‘normal’ animals

[balmy oyster]

There’s zebras in Cali and hippos in South America

Thanks to humans there are animals in places they should have no reason to be in

[charred hearth]

i mean, okay, i dont think zebra's in cali are that big of a issue because dont they just take the niche of wild horses that use to live there?

[ancient crystal]

Would those zebras be protected by the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act?

Because the wild horses are already enough of a problem

[balmy oyster]

They’re also pretty small in population and I think are watched over well so if any issue came from them we should be able to stop it

[stiff osprey]

You don't need to kill kids to make a scene scary, but after you put children in a situation that they shouldn't survive and they survive it for the 9000th time, it stops being scary

The only scary scene in Rebirth that involved kids was the river scene and that was basically straight from the novel

[charred hearth]

besides guns and getting ran over by boats like mantee's are, how would well hippos do in flordia?

[balmy oyster]

I was kinda hoping for the eldest daughter to be eaten by the spino’s tbh she was kinda annoying at first

[balmy oyster]

Knowing hippo’s they would maul any boats that tried to run them over

They’d do pretty well honestly

[stiff osprey]

If she died and the stoner boyfriend lived that would be crazy

[balmy oyster]

It’s also crazy how Mr. Stoned manage to not only get aura moments but also survive until the end

Somehow managed to lock in lmao

[ancient crystal]

Dies because the stoner boyfriend was high, and from there the movie slowly turns into a late 80s war against drugs ad

[balmy oyster]

Mutadon walks up to the boyfriend and asks:

“want some crack?”

[charred hearth]

so like, were stellar sea cows only defense how fat they were?

[balmy oyster]

Probably, considering they were hunted to extinction with minimal effort

[charred hearth]

the thought of being so fat a orca didnt even bother trying to eat you....

[balmy oyster]

Imagine the only reason why they didn’t go extinct before we made them is because orcas just didn’t realize they existed

Would’ve been so funny if they survived until now but suddenly orcas realized they were real and they went extinct in a year

[charred hearth]

do you think polar bears hunted them seeing how they've been know to hunt beluga's and narwhals ?

[warped peak]

No, they're 10 - 20× bigger than a polar bear

Bigger than Mosasaurus

[charred hearth]

i meant stellar sea cows, not orcas

[warped peak]

Yes. Stellar's Sea cows were bigger than the largest mosasaurs or orcas

[charred hearth]

oh...their that fat? werent they so fat they couldnt even dive?

[warped peak]

We're talking 12+ ton animals

Its likely they could dive but chose not to due to the buoyancy from fermenting seagrass

[misty scarab]

Dinosaur

[stiff osprey]

Sea cows apparently did defend themselves, as there are records of groups attacking boats after a member was killed

[round hedge]

Hi, i've been wondering, how accurate is the new PoT spinosaurus size ?

[stiff osprey]

It didn't do anything to the boats, but like, they tried

[round hedge]

Like, headbutting it, or trying to turn it upside down and sink it ?

[tough parcel]

Don't have anything for Rex but here's how it stacks up to Sucho

[round hedge]

Iirc, Red, the paleoartist had one, but idk how close it is

[tough parcel]

If you mean the person who was talking earlier, then they posted a heavily heavily flawed size estimate for Spinosaurus compared to Rex and should not be taken seriously

Unless you compare that estimate with a T. rex that is 20% larger than Sue (The Spino and Rex are singular toe bones)

[pure grove]

I wish there were a visual for old spino size vs new

[balmy oyster]

Oversized 20 ton behemoth versus current day spino

[winter marsh]

18 meter long spino!1!!!1!!!!

[stiff osprey]

Mostly ramming them

Wikipedia also suggests that they were so buoyant that orcas had a hard time trying to drown them, which is their usual strategy against larger animals

Another thing i didn't know is that they likely would have gone extinct even without europeans slaughtering them, as there were less than 1500 alive by the time they were described by western scientists

[hasty seal]

Spino was strongest dino

[tulip gyro]

Saltie slaps

[balmy oyster]

Strongest dinosaur is the dove that flew into my window, fell 3 stories and managed to come out of it unharmed

[winter marsh]

yes, it could use its fists to create pummeling shockwaves

[white matrix]

is this an accurate size comparison?

[stiff osprey]

Assuming an exceptionally large rex (like Cope sized) yeah that checks out

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-pose-black-ranger-fight-spin-gif-17442209049119512394

[opaque kayak]

Sucho

[white matrix]

if pot rex is actually 40 foot long and 9-13 tons then its probably based around scotty the rex's size

scotty is 42 feet long and 9.8 tons

(i could be wrong about all of this)

theyre also both around the same height

[fossil ingot]

POT Rex is like
13m

This Carcha is about 12.4m

[fossil ingot]

This Cooler

[drifting condor]

How accurate is the new spino we just got?

[iron halo]

where did you even find that skeletal

combining the material we have with no additional assumed bones to make a silhouette isn’t how you make an accurate skeletal though

[stiff osprey]

also that guy is clinically insane

This is from the same person who claims to see complete petrified dinosaur embryos in random pebbles he finds

Ibrahim (the guy who wrote the paper that he took the tail image from!) supports the TLC's more rectangular tail

[white matrix]

damn wherever i got that from then was really wrong

[covert moat]

New spino tail looks smooth and it tickles my brain for some reason

[halcyon cobalt]

Thoughts on panspermia?

[winter marsh]

the sail, ahh the sail

selling fossils is always a no no for me and a bunch of others

it isnt about getting them, its about what you are using them for, which most of those people who buy fossils for is showoff instead of studies, like ''look, I have a ceratosaur fossil in my living room''

paying is already a redflag, cuz fossils are basically artifacts. You dont use them except for idk, studies or furniture

idk man I find scuffed selling these stuff to collectors which dont give a bs about what could be done with the fossils and what can be discovered

they could at least lend

[stiff osprey]

What?

And why did you ping me 3 times

You know you can turn the @ feature off when replying to people, right

[storm frigate]

Address the ibrahams spoon skeletal thing boy

[stiff osprey]

I'm still confused at that

bro used the word "shrinked"

[ancient crystal]

Ah, spinosaurus once again sowing chaos in the PoT paleochat

[torpid zephyr]

It’s just nice to have the family home for dinner

[sharp dragon]

This animal causes less chaos in actual Paleontologist discussions.

[stiff osprey]

If you're referring to me making the shoulder less deep, it's because all theropods have shoulders that are shallower than the hips. Ibrahim's 2018 skeletal had shoulders deeper than the hips despite there being no evidence for this in Spinosaurus

If you look at more modern skeletals you will see they also have the shoulders smaller than the hips

[torpid zephyr]

I’m convinced Serrano and Ibrahim hate each other. The subdiss on the natgeo Spinosaurus edition magazine was insane

[sharp dragon]

Gladiatorial combat is the only solution.

[stiff osprey]

Scavenger rex is an old meme, nobody besides Horner has believed that in years

[sharp dragon]

I think the guy who quite well known for incredible anatomical reconstructions is probably gonna have some authority on how an extinct animal probably looked.

I prefer little 2024.

[stiff osprey]

To be clear: this guy said a more rectangular tail is inaccurate because the private collector who pretends to see fossilized embryos in rocks said so

[ancient crystal]

I mean specifically in this channel, it (or some variation of tyrannosaurus ecological nonconformity) pops up regularly enough

[balmy oyster]

Where did the spino arm material come from

[ancient crystal]

Back on topic though, may I ask who this collector is? I think I've missed that detail

[sharp dragon]

Mr Oxalaia.

[deft sigil]

A channel reminder;
please remain polite with each other while in conversation, refer to our #rules.
If we cannot be civil on this topic, mutes will be handed out. Discussion can be continued without antagonizing or provoking one another.

[balmy oyster]

Pretty sure Scott hartman’s assumes the tail just…looked like that, but if you know anything regarding taphonomic distortion you’d know chances are the tail spines would have been straighter and less jumbled looking

[stiff osprey]

Goo CheeEng, author of Petrified Embryology

[sharp dragon]

HIS NAME IS GOO?

[balmy oyster]

Idk why we need “more fossil evidence” for what is effectively an almost complete tail that’s preserved quite well, the main issue is just the tail spines but those can be fixed.

Rectangular ended tail does seem a bit speculative but the tail absolutely was not like how Scott Hartman reconstructed it

[ancient crystal]

I can't find a thing about him unfortunately

[opaque kayak]

I remember this guy named his specimen sigma tail 4773

[stiff osprey]

I wouldn't even say the more paddle shape is inaccurate, just the fact that coryboi stated "old tail was more accurate" even though he just admitted that we do not have enough evidence to say that

[tough parcel]

Maybe this is an alt account for Goo CheeEng, this is the only person I have EVER seen willing to defend this guy tooth and nail (with false arguments to boot)

[balmy oyster]

Contradictions et. al, my favorite

[ancient crystal]

Paleontology never ceases to amaze me with its weirdly... eccentric cast of characters

[obsidian cloak]

Guys, how do you like the new spinosaurus?

[sharp dragon]

I thought he had a burrito stuck to his neck.

[bright veldt]

Happy to see not much has changed here

[balmy oyster]

It looks amazing

[opaque kayak]

This paper is gold https://petrifiedembryology.wordpress.com/searching-the-lost-species-volume-1-morocco-spinosaurid-spinosaurus-dorsojuvencus/

[ancient crystal]

Oh hey its you, and no, nothing has changed.

[sharp dragon]

Scanova the Carnotaurus? I thought you left for the mountains!

[balmy oyster]

Honestly most of the time it’s pretty calm, just rn it’s a bit frisky

[tough parcel]

I don't think this is a fallacy

[balmy oyster]

It’s a logical fallacy because I said so!!!!!

[opaque kayak]

[tough parcel]

Neither is this

It's a very true fact and it can be proven by 10 seconds of Google

[balmy oyster]

This is the best phylogeny I have ever seen

[ancient crystal]

I couldn't find this man named Goo though, I found several named Moo

[tough parcel]

There's a sum total of 3 people but if you want, we can just leave you with @stiff osprey who I will repay in the future for doing this if it actually occurs

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[ancient crystal]

Random vs Cory cagefight

[sharp dragon]

Can I have some?

[obsidian cloak]

By the way, isn't the Spinosaurus too small?

[opaque kayak]

🤔

[sullen cairn]

why is this like verbatim something you'd say ironically

[stiff osprey]

I am a mere Spinosaurus hater who only wants to shrinked the torso, do not pit me against someone with such superior evidence

[balmy oyster]

I like mr. Goo this seems like something I would do when I finally go clinically insane

[opaque kayak]

You've just triggered what is spinosaurus convo

[ancient crystal]

No, the rex is just (likely) based on a larger specimen for that species

So far as I can tell spoon is pretty proportional to sucho which is the other playable its getting compated to

[tough parcel]

Would you do it for a Nitro snack

[stiff osprey]

No I'm on vacation

[tough parcel]

Aw...

[sharp dragon]

Mini retirement.

[ancient crystal]

Nothing like sitting back, soaking up the sun, and arguing with strangers on the internet over old bones

[sharp dragon]

Aw hey that Archesuchus fellas work got put in a click bait YouTube video.

[balmy oyster]

I think goo is wrong and uh uhhhh spinosaur rectangle uhhh

[ancient crystal]

What a disturbing creature, you could almost call it a weird bird

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[stiff osprey]

aye, goodnight (or whatever time it is)

[opaque kayak]

I kinda might like it if they had this as the thumbnail

[tough parcel]

I don’t think this was caught on a trail cam

[ancient crystal]

But it would be pretty disturbing if it was

[sharp dragon]

Caught this on my underwater trail cam for when i hunt under water deer.

Anyways, Randomdinos, what is your profession in regards to skeletal recontructions? I don't want to be wrong about what you do is all.

[stiff osprey]

Just freelance artist, I sometimes get asked permission to use one in a scientific paper or book, but mostly they're done as references for 3d modelers and stuff

[sharp dragon]

Ah righto, very good.
Your work is spectacular my good chap.

[charred hearth]

Who's fatter, perecetus or stellar sea cows

[ancient crystal]

Like who is heavier or like fat percentage?

[sharp dragon]

Your Mo- This post has been removed for insensitive language.

[stiff osprey]

Perucetus has finally found the authors who keep downsizing it every other year

[charred hearth]

fat percentage ig

[stiff osprey]

I'm guessing sea cows were fatter due to them being so buoyant, whales usually have a density slightly above that of water

[charred hearth]

ik this is ava but i thought it'd be funny, try to come up with a way for shasta to hunt a stellar sea cow, it has no teeth and ik it wont be able to swallow the thing whole

[regal cloak]

New favorite dinosaur unlocked

[white matrix]

adorable and a semi aquatic nodosaur??
-# (i think thats the name of that dinos family tree)

[stiff osprey]

Liaoningosaurus is baby

(literally and metaphorically)

[balmy oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[jagged trellis]

isn't it a drowned infant

[ancient crystal]

No guys, I was going to let them live in blissful ignorance

[stiff osprey]

To be fair a lot of fossils are drowned

[jagged trellis]

liango smth right

[regal cloak]

It’s a drowned what….

[jagged trellis]

the swimming theory for it is based off of a baby who drowned
wasn't it just because there was a fish in it

[stiff osprey]

There's a bit more evidence to it than that

But yes liaoningo is a baby

Chuanqilong described the other year is its closest known relative, and it was about 4.5 m long

[winter marsh]

it somehow crushed a fish on its way down

[balmy oyster]

Plummeted like a pebble

[regal cloak]

So your telling me Liao is not a super cool small semi aquatic nodosaur but a drowned infant that just somehow ate a fish on its way down

[ancient crystal]

I wish it weren't so

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/underwater-hello-im-under-water-selfie-smile-gif-16028538

[winter marsh]

coincidence of the devil

[stiff osprey]

It absolutely is a baby but i wouldn't dismiss the semiaquatic hypothesis yet

[regal cloak]

Reality is so cruel to cute things…

[balmy oyster]

Maybe a yutyrannus was trying to skip stones but with baby Liao’s

[iron halo]

please let it be so 🙏

[jagged trellis]

me to the local pugs

[stiff osprey]

Also it's possible it would have been omnivorous based on the tooth and claw shape

In addition to a semiaquatic lifestyle, the authors suggested that Liaoningosaurus was carnivorous based on the elongated and fork-like denticles of the crowns of the cheek teeth, sharp unguals on the hands and feet, and the presence of fish within the skeleton of the second specimen.

Although i have to wonder how sharp claws would even be useful to an ankylosaur

[ancient crystal]

Perhaps its actually a turtle, which would bump my list of mesozoic turtle - archosaur mix ups to 4

[balmy oyster]

4 meter long turtle

[stiff osprey]

If turtles turn out to be archosaurs that would bump the list from 4 to 4000+

[tender needle]

how did u type this

[stiff osprey]

I put two `s before the text and two after

[ancient crystal]

Discord fonts upset me, my peabrain needs buttons not fancy shortcuts

[stiff osprey]

besides that one I only know italic and bold

[winter marsh]

I know this one

[charred hearth]

isnt it crazy how a rex could theroretically get larger then diplodocus

[tender needle]

this chat went from dinosaurs to discord font texts 💀

[stiff osprey]

I mean if you used a hypothetical record diplodocus it would be way bigger than the hypothetical record tyrannosaurus

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/russell-westbrook-nba-okc-thunder-what-huh-gif-5070054

[stiff osprey]

But yes the fact they overlap in weight despite diplo being more than twice the length is very funny

[ancient crystal]

Which is a fantastic way to justify to people why "size" is measured by mass not length or height

[stiff osprey]

Most Diplodocus specimens are between 10-14 tons, while the largest Tyrannosaurus is 11-12 tons (11 for Cope, 12 if you include "Goliath"), so there are some T.rex individuals that are heavier than some Diplodocus

But the largest dips are like 20 tonnes which is way larger than any T.rex

[regal cloak]

That’s actually insane

[balmy oyster]

21 ton Rex

[charred hearth]

how does this image make y'all feel

[stiff osprey]

I feel this is a reference to something that i don't get because i can't read japanese

[warped peak]

The text basically says "Its devonian time, oh look a dunkleosetus I want it to bite me"

[ancient crystal]

So the man is a victim of his own foolishness

[rich vessel]

That’s a man?

[balmy oyster]

Yes Asian men sometimes have long hair too

[balmy oyster]

Me when I’m in a stubbornness competition but my opponent is a paleontologist

[full lagoon]

Digging perhaps, there are a few assumptions that imply they have have dug trench like holes given their foot anatomy

(ankylosaurs in general I believe)

if that is true, it seems like it would a a great strategy for further protecting themselves by only really exposing their armored backs to an attacker

[balmy oyster]

Now I can see them surviving tyrannosaurs!

[opaque kayak]

I'm surprised BAND is a big enough thing where they have a group name for it and not just one guy

It's really rare how they believe in evolution & everything else but just that birds aren't dinosaurs

[balmy oyster]

What do they think birds are then? Non-archosaurian reptiles?

[thorn grove]

they think they're birds

many creationists advocate for an "orchard of life" instead of the classic "tree of life," they claim that each created kind is separate from every other created kind

"kind" is a term that they use fast a loose and just define as whatever is the most convenient in that particular argument

@balmy oyster

[drifting condor]

Did t rexes eyes face foward like this?

[tough parcel]

Exactly like that

[drifting condor]

Ok thank you

[tough parcel]

Tuft's Love skull scan so the skull is slightly warped but it's a good enough example

[frigid delta]

what in the actual hell happened to that dinosaur???

[charred hearth]

why do people wanna bring back the quagga so much?

[stiff osprey]

what if a zebra. but orange

[charred hearth]

i thought it was more brownish, but again, orange is a shade of brown

[stiff osprey]

"what if a zebra. but brown" doesn't sound as funny

[charred hearth]

havent we came close but it was just a brown/orange zebra, is there any difference between a zebra and a quagga besides coloration

[stiff osprey]

no because it's just a subspecies of zebra

We have rare modern zebras with brown color but that's unrelated

[charred hearth]

it kinda looks like a okapi

[stiff osprey]

kind of wild that out of seven known subspecies of plains zebra, only one decided to get rid of the black and white stripes, and that's the only one that went extinct

[charred hearth]

is it a sign?

[thorn grove]

Natural selection in action???

[stiff osprey]

Local horse gets rid of its funny pajamas, instantly dies

[thorn grove]

Deserved

[hardy sentinel]

Was Lusotitan even in the top 10 of biggest sauropods?

[thorn grove]

i dont think so

[hardy sentinel]

So why does WWD try to make it seem like it's this colossal among dinosaurs as "one of the biggest animals to ever live"

[thorn grove]

idk cuz it's brachiosaurus stand in

[hardy sentinel]

shoulda just given us Argentinosaurus

[thorn grove]

im kinda glad there was at least one jurassic episode

[hardy sentinel]

same here but all they showed was Lusotitan and about 30 seconds or Torvosaurus

Coulda just made the last episode a remake of Ballad of Big Al

[balmy oyster]

Trying to be quirky I suppose

[thorn grove]

tbf that show was wwd in name only

[hardy sentinel]

ngl we shoulda gotten a brutal death of Clover being gored by the male triceratops she bumped into, would explain her death as a youngin

Male animals aren't very fond of random babies they find roaming about, especially when it follows them

[tough parcel]

My question is this idea even applicable to herbivorous reptiles?

Male mammals kind of need the first kid out of the way because reproduction rate of mammals is incredibly low compared to the billions of eggs a reptile can make

[balmy oyster]

It’s funnier to think she got murked off camera, and the cut from her happily running off with the adult to her fossilized maxilia is comedy gold

[hardy sentinel]

to be fair we don't have that many herbivorous cold blooded reptiles these days that care for young past the squat an egg in the hole stage, and the most aggresive you could get with em is probably an iguana

If you wanna include birds then yeah, some birds will go out of their way to kill birds of other nests like swallows do

[balmy oyster]

But then on the other side of the spectrum we have ostriches, which communally nest and have the male mantain the eggs until they hatch

[hardy sentinel]

Ostriches are inherintly more social though, and Triceratops (with current fossil evidence and the way WWD portrayed them) aren't

Not saying barn swallows aren't social, but they're social in the way of they hang kinda near each other when flocking for saftey in numbers

i'd say for Triceratops which is not portrayed as social or known to be as social, they would 100% murk unattended offspring imo

[halcyon cobalt]

How plausible is panspermia?

[sick gull]

possible but at the moment difficult to get evidence for. especially difficult to figure out if that's what happened here on earth

we've found basic things like amino acids in comets and stuff

[undone rapids]

Yeah its really cool

[halcyon cobalt]

finding aliens with similar features to earth biology would pretty much be unequivocal proof for panspermia right?

[sly viper]

Whens the next lore drop bro i havent seen anything lore related to the cambrian recently istg these devs only care about the future and not the past the worldbuilding is so bad

[halcyon cobalt]

blinded by nostalgia

[sick gull]

well, 'proof' is a math term. with science you just have evidence for. finding similar dna and such on another planet could point to that, it could be convergent evolution, it could be aliens taking things from here to there or vice versa. for now we don't really have the ability to see if that's the case

[ashen wedge]

Question, How does the Spinosaurus tail end?

Cause I am mixed and unsure on what to think about it

[sick gull]

from one of the fossils it seems to be a paddle

[ashen wedge]

I tend to believe the paddle, but how did the paddle end?

[undone rapids]

it doesn't, it goes on forever

Every Year they think that as they find more tail bones of spino they'll reach the end of it. But that day will never come.

[ashen wedge]

I’m hoping that it will come

[ashen wedge]

I just wish that private fossil hunters won’t poach the Spinosaurids of Africa

[undone rapids]

true, but private hunters are the reason we even found the neotype. Morocco prob needs better laws to make sure the fossils just stay in the country, I think Mongolia has that

[sick gull]

we don't have the very end, but we have one of the final vertebrae

[ashen wedge]

That seems to be very good

[sick gull]

there are millions of fossils across the world in museums that havent been identified

just not enough people looking at them, so there are probably decades of backlog

[undone rapids]

Yeah, like there's so many tarbo specimens that haven't been described or even mentioned in papers iirc

[ashen wedge]

Mhm

[gritty jasper]

Quetzalcoatlus Northropi of the late Cretaceous Period. With a wingspan comparable to a Cessna 172 aircraft, at about 11 meters and possibly the largest-ever flying animal. (Artist D.W. Miller)

[stiff osprey]

Theropods and sauropods definitely could look up