paleontology

[twin lava]

what… you realize those animal battles of dinosaurs are super unrealistic right.. based on real life a elephant does not need (about the size of a stegosaurus) does not need venom or poison in its hooves, plus stegosaurus has like what, three foot long thagomizers? You could stab a HOLE through some animals. A clean hole..

This is def ragebait

[lofty creek]

the thing showed in this pic is larynx, not syrinx, however its also a thing for making sound. And according to the structure of this larynx, this Pinacosaurus cound POSSIBLY had syrinx

[severe yew]

i never said videos of dinosaurs

i meant videos of real, current animals, full battles, to the end, i have seen so much that i have a very good idea of what is possible

its kind of funny when someone thinks that one hit and the other animal is done, lol, that is not gow it happens at all

[twin lava]

give me a example of a battle that could support this

Also it’s a something foot long spike? It could LITERALLY stab a hole through a human, and they would die instantly.

nah your allowed

[severe yew]

bro, i would have to find and then dm you because i am sure this would not be allowed here 😬

[lofty creek]

the problem is that is the battle paleo content or not

ye give this an end

[bitter oasis]

The conversation can continue but just going to mention that videos containing Gore, blood or animals coming to harm cannot be posted here, just giving an heads up!

[severe yew]

yes, but also most apex predators of that time were not human size, right?

we are talking about 5, 6, 7, 8 ton creatures as well, with their own dangerous weapons; teeth, claws, some with thick bones

[halcyon cobalt]

67 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[twin lava]

yeah but think about this: A Rex fighting a dryo, one good chomp to the torso and that dryo is gone, and for Stegosaurus and Allosaurus, one precise shot to the upper torso near the neck, it would hit a organ and the allosaurus would likely die.

This is discussing palentology…

[severe yew]

alright, let's change the topic back to paleontology, bro

we have to respect the mods here

[lofty creek]

iirc there is a allosaurus verbrate fossil stabbed through by stego-like thing

[twin lava]

was there any sign of necrosis/poison/venom on the bones

[severe yew]

no bro, it doesn't happen that way in real life, that is just in Hollywood

[tough parcel]

There was actually a few signs that a 2 meter long spike was rammed through its vertebra

[twin lava]

it was theoretical..

[severe yew]

those types of hits are very rare in the real life, most hits land on places of the body that are not lethal

[halcyon cobalt]

non-lethal but would still deter attackers

[twin lava]

wdym real life there’s no thagomizers in current day

it would definitely be lethal if it hits say.. an allosaurus jaw or head or chest

[lofty creek]

if a fossil found with some sign of a killing blow while no sign for heal, we usually consider that animal as neutralized by that hit
for example Dongbeititan verbrate with Yutyrannus tooth very deeply embedded in it
I can only recall this example
one hit doesnt always work through
some Edmontosaurus got a crush on skull by rex then survived that somehow

[twin lava]

in fairness Edmontosaurus is much larger than an allosaurus

also that

[tough parcel]

(It had its eyebrow clipped off, the skull was not crushed)

Still a ouchie wound but it's not so drastic

[severe yew]

exactly, many animals survive crazy injuries

[twin lava]

it wasn’t a head strike it was eyebrow strike as gualicho said, that’s not at all lethal

if a stegosaurus stabbed a spike through a head of an allosaurus it would definitely be lethal

Rats cats and dogs can survive loosing their tail if it doesn’t become overly infected, I would say the same thing would apply to Rex

[lofty creek]

what about a rex lost 1/3 of its tail and survived

[severe yew]

yes, but antelopes, deers, bovines, rinos, elephants, etc... all these animals have weapons that are incredible dangerous in their own right

so whenever you watch so many of this uncensored full battles, you can get a good idea about what is possible and what is not

[twin lava]

boy most of those that you said are used for intimidation and defense, deers use it for battles for women

I think a deer could definitely stab a hole through something but it wouldn’t be as big as a allosaurus

[lofty creek]

isnt the stego spike also defensive weapon?
with enough food, water and room to live, I cant see the possiblity of stego hunting and chasing allosaurus

[severe yew]

obviously, but as i mentioned before, these types of accurate hits are very rare

all animals are moving because they want to survive, most will not simply stand there waiting to be hit in a vital area, they protect themselves and attack as well

[opaque kayak]

Ok mr kangaroo!

[tough parcel]

Bright red is what was bitten off, dark red is what DePalma reports as healed

[twin lava]

yes I was comparing it to that

and it’s not at all rare, an allosaurus would probably go right in to attack an stego and from a swing of the stegosaurus tail it would probably go either through the leg, head, or chest

[stark roost]

Because speculation is the SECOND THING thatmakes the paleo community dude 💔

[halcyon cobalt]

actually I think fossils do

[severe yew]

wrong, they are often used as defensive weapons

[twin lava]

yeah? Are you sure about that?

because last I checked their main defense is fleeing
they primary use their antlers for dominance and for women

does don’t even have antlers

[severe yew]

i second this 👍

[severe yew]

i am sure bro, trust

you have probably seen only the nice videos

the other ones are not nice...

[twin lava]

Basically what your saying is that I can step on this guy and it would survive

“Guys this shrew will survive my deagle!! Watch!”

[severe yew]

damn, that's crazy 💀

[halcyon cobalt]

strawmanning or just incoherent?

[stark roost]

Yo lemme be 🥺. I was thinking a smaller stegosaur could maybe atleast adapt once for it.

[severe yew]

you are the only one who is saying that

i never said that

[twin lava]

you literally did tho because you said a allosaurus could survive a spike shot to the chest (it can’t)

[severe yew]

i never said that, lol

[lofty creek]

allosaurus wouldnt that small even if u choose a small A. europaensis to attack a big stego
also while stego could attack as the defensive side, allosaurus is neither dumb. If it see a thagomizer coming to its face or chest, it would likely give up that hit and hide from that. So a heavy hit from thagomizer on a weak place could kill, but first u need to make sure that hit always lands on the Allosaurus

[twin lava]

well you said something similar to that.. you said that a Edmontosaurus could survive a pure cranium shot to the head by a Rex with a bite force strong as like 30000 newtons (it can’t)

[severe yew]

i also never said that, bro 😅

[lofty creek]

I said that
since it happened
the bite landed on the head
not heavy enough though

[twin lava]

nahh your crazy for deleting it

Wait no no you didn’t hold on

[tough parcel]

We lost the plot

[stark roost]

Oooo I never heard of that before

[ashen wedge]

Cranium is where again? Just making sure and since I’m traveling a lot and Internet is kinda not good

[twin lava]

it’s the skull basically

[lofty creek]

where ur brain lives in
the braincase

[wary fable]

Edmontos pretty big I don’t doubt it could survive head damage from a rex

[halcyon cobalt]

why doesn’t the crocodile just activate its bone snap ability and one shot the alligator ( head shot multiplier 1.5x )? Is it stupid?

[ashen wedge]

Oh it’s the specific part of the skull, got it

[twin lava]

this you ?

[tough parcel]

Again, this would not be fatal on any animal unless the skull is made of paper

[lofty creek]

some edmonto met rex bigger than themselves
some not
for a genus like edmonto with so many individuals found, it's better not just call the whole genus big or small

[halcyon cobalt]

what are you trying to prove by showing this?

[ashen wedge]

It wouldn’t cause head damage from a Rex bite is a death sentence for any creature especially for those without skull defenses

[twin lava]

that they said that an edmonto could survive a pure headshot from the Rex like directly on the head (it was a eyebrow shot)

[severe yew]

not sure what are you referring to, bro

[lofty creek]

wait stop
this is out of paleo content
we are not in a court

[halcyon cobalt]

I don’t see them saying that at all

[twin lava]

Scroll up to where that is then look at the thing they replied to at the bottom

[ashen wedge]

Speculation is the name of the work Paleontologists do to get the idea what life was like when these animals were alive

[halcyon cobalt]

why didn’t the tyrannosaurus simply use it’s charged bite (140 damage) on the edmontosaurus’s weak spot to land critical damage?

[twin lava]

(It was a eyebrow shot)

[ashen wedge]

Cause it missed the whole head

[halcyon cobalt]

idk bro I see damage on the eyebrow

[harsh forge]

The edmonto had guiding beacon from a nearby late surviving lambeosaurus

[wary fable]

Haven’t some large cats survived getting their skulls heavily damaged from hippos I feel like that same survival logic could go to Edmonto and Rex

[ashen wedge]

Was being silly for the damage comment

[twin lava]

no?

[halcyon cobalt]

imagine how much it would suck to be the hominid in this situation

[wary fable]

Maybe I am thinking of another large animal attacking a big feline

[ashen wedge]

What ever big cats that did survive probably didn’t last that much longer after that

[twin lava]

jeez our ancestors had it rough

[lofty creek]

pudding

[severe yew]

no you are right bro, i have seen real videos of hippos biting big cats such as lions, and surviving

[ashen wedge]

And imagine being bad to the point where you get ambushed by a crocodile (extinct species of Crocodilian) and a big cat at the same time, to place it firmly, our ancestors were ####ed!

[lofty creek]

shared

[twin lava]

well yeah because it’s a lion and the tooth probably didn’t even hit the head

[halcyon cobalt]

reaching

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/ntuni-cat-chew-crunch-funny-gif-23922784

[ashen wedge]

True that, they were shared evenly among predators, until we went human mode

[twin lava]

I remember someone telling me in a palentology chat that humans are unbalanced (I wonder why)

[ashen wedge]

Oh that’s simple, we be humans, and we be humanning

[wary fable]

Found this lioness who apparently survived a headshot and even though the headshot made it unable to drink or eat due to the jaw being destroyed it does prove felines could survive a headshot from a hippo

[ashen wedge]

But not for long, without it being able to eat or drink it’ll die shortly

[twin lava]

It still died eventually though… I’m not gonna stab something through a heart and the person survives and lives their life fully

[ashen wedge]

Just cause you survived the attack, doesn’t mean that the attack’s wounds won’t kill you

[severe yew]

depends on how fast it heals, but this is also true

some die due to their injuries, but surprisingly, it can take a good while

[ashen wedge]

It’s jaw is destroyed, it can’t eat or drink, so it will die

[twin lava]

“Guys my heart will heal so fast that I’ll survive being stabbed!!”

[severe yew]

lol, this is funny 😁

[wary fable]

Yeah I will admit I saw a picture of its face after and it looked like ghost faces mask

[ashen wedge]

Question, are we sure they couldn’t do this?

[severe yew]

in this case, yep, most likely rip kitty cat 😞

[wary fable]

Emperor Brachitine

[twin lava]

"Young fool, only now, at the end, do you understand."

(Only the real ones will get this reference)

[ashen wedge]

It only proves they can survive until they die of their injuries from the attack, whether it be infection, starvation, dehydration, another predator, and this is without mentioning in order to survive a head wound in an attack, you’ll still have to be able to live longer than the effects of the damage you took, meaning you can still function and eat and drink

[tall prawn]

Absolutely not

[opaque kayak]

nah it probably did happen

[ashen wedge]

I know, but I was being silly since I know it’s not possible, but the odds are never purely 0

[twin lava]

I want a flying sauropod to be discovered

[wary fable]

This lioness's only main large injury that was unhealable was the destroyed jaw if its jaw wasn’t as damaged it could have survived which means in a rare case where the hippo doesn’t get a great bite on the lion it does have a chance at a slither of survival

[tall prawn]

I take it back,it can happen, brachiosaurus has so much aura that it has the brontosaurus power of shooting lightning out of its bigass forehead

[ashen wedge]

Have you seen Hippo’s teeth? Even a weak bite to the head will still cause a lot of damage

[wary fable]

I never said the lion is most likely gonna live but they still have a chance of survival from a headshot even if it’s a very minor chance it’s not impossible

[ashen wedge]

It’s called Hatzegopteryx (am joking)

[twin lava]

what’s the deal with arambourgiana rn btw

[wary fable]

What can Amargasasaurus do if brachiosaurus can shoot lightning from his huge forehead

[ashen wedge]

Gojira’s prehistoric world before the atomic bomb mutated him

[twin lava]

Earth power bro trust

[tall prawn]

He could strike the earth with it and then earth lizard

[undone rapids]

Amarga can absorb the lightning with its Spines, just like Rey Dau...

[ashen wedge]

Guys, we have it all wrong, the herbivores had elemental powers, but like the live action Avatar Last Air Bender Movie, they need an open source to control their elements (like the fire bending)

[charred hearth]

whats the current consensus on smilodon and its use of fangs during hunting?

[wary fable]

People didn’t know therizinosaurus could heat his claws up and melt through enemys like glavenus in mhw

[charred hearth]

wgat do we speculate they were used for while hunting?

[ashen wedge]

Hooking into the prey’s jugular area, like modern day big cats

[charred hearth]

i thought so , i just remember watching something saying any force could break them easily , i dont know hbow accurate that statement is though

[ashen wedge]

That’s probably more for something if it’s used for a different biting style

[twin lava]

this

[charred hearth]

now that i think about it, would human be a common prey item for smilodon? ( atleast one of our ancestors )

[ashen wedge]

Yes, we are easy to kill for any animal, and considering big cats hunted our ancestors and even modern day humans depending on the region

[warped peak]

Smilodon no, other Sabertooth cats probably

Things in Africa that lived alongside humans as we evolved:

• Lokotunjailurus: Sickle claw Sabertooth
• Agriotherium: Murder panda on stilts
• Leopards
• That Hyena with stilt legs

Probably more things

[warm saddle]

That prob has something more to do if it uses them incorrectly

[ashen wedge]

I’m not saying it was Smilodon, since I just kinda was stating that humans are easy prey for big cats

[umbral kite]

any exciting palo news

[charred hearth]

spino and carch divorced

[umbral kite]

wat the names

[charred hearth]

affair

[umbral kite]

ohh who’d carch cheat with spino never do something liek that

[charred hearth]

siligmasaurus

[stiff osprey]

This was because sigil is a sigma male

[severe yew]

where is this?

[random yarrow]

It’s from a museum in Brussels! which one it is again i’m not sure

[umbral kite]

siligmasaurua has been with everyoje though

[stark roost]

This is true paleontology 🥹

[white matrix]

I thought that was just spino?

[tulip gyro]

saltie spotted, top 10 animals contender

[fluid inlet]

I don’t see no lie in this he’s right lol

[fluid inlet]

They arguing in backer chat about spino having lips or not , what’s the consensus or is it just very disputed either way

[white matrix]

I'd say no lips or partial if that makes sense

[mossy patrol]

isn't half lipped the most likely?
(what Insatiabilis said lol)

[sterile trail]

Pretty sure this Appalachiasaurus reconstruction is outdated

[balmy oyster]

[sterile trail]

Its arms are too large

[mossy patrol]

it's been working out

[sterile trail]

He dont skip arm day

[charred hearth]

is it? i thought it was its own genus

[scenic flame]

only sometimes, it's schrodinger's taxon

[severe yew]

i challenge anyone here to show a better, more paleontologically accurate, trex small figure representation than this one for the price point 🥹

• 2025 version

https://youtu.be/AK6iT0U6hb8?feature=shared

[warped peak]

I mean. Why challenge that

[charred hearth]

would it be possible for oxalia being spino? someone told me but i highly doubted it

[fluid inlet]

Yeah to me its more aesthetically pleasing than the pnso one

[severe yew]

why not?

[balmy oyster]

No

[severe yew]

yea, the paint job colors are simply stunning, and the details... wow 👌

[charred hearth]

they were like " omg it could just swim over " its gonna swim to another continent ??

[balmy oyster]

Not to mention speciation in North Africa at the time (and dinosaurs in general) was already pretty extensive + we already do have several spinosaurine species from South America already

[tall prawn]

Dunno if this is offtopic but did you hear what happened to vividen

[balmy oyster]

His server got nuked, but I think the situation was resolved and he’s slowly re-making the server

[fluid inlet]

Remaking , damn that’s is rough rip.

[severe yew]

i was the clan leader of a top game but deleted my servers of 400 + people whenever i stopped playing it 😢

[fluid inlet]

He gotta start from scratch

[balmy oyster]

It’s not deleted it just got nuked. The server is still up.

[fluid inlet]

Wym by nuked ? I was thinking it got deleted

[undone rapids]

They prob just kicked 99% of the people in the server

[potent bobcat]

What was the average weight of Tylosaurus?

[fluid inlet]

A lot.

[hallow spear]

It’s not it’s gone isn’t it?

[balmy oyster]

I’m still in the server + apparently some people got roles to interact with other channels. I think it’s just in damage control rn

[ashen wedge]

I will say that Albertosaurus is better than Gorgosaurus

[balmy oyster]

This is a false statement

[ashen wedge]

How so?

[warm saddle]

Hmm

[balmy oyster]

Cus it is just WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[undone rapids]

Nah its True, Gorgo is Mid

[fluid inlet]

I got kicked out of Viv server one time for posting perucetus…. It was justified but I want back in.

[stiff osprey]

gorgosaurus has prettier, better preserved specimens and a cooler more diverse ecosystem

however albertosaurus is far more interesting from a biological standpoint

[severe yew]

the problem is the people who click on weird links

happens all the time...

[ashen wedge]

But Gorgo ain’t that much but a pretty boi shined up

[charred hearth]

where would daspleto lie on the scale?

[ashen wedge]

But it ain’t apart of the Albertosaurines

[charred hearth]

idk, i always view alberto, das and gorgo as a trio

[ashen wedge]

Well yes they are technically a trio, but only two are apart of the same sub-family and more of the same body build, compared to Dasp’s bulkier build

[charred hearth]

yeah because its in a whole new level of peak

[ashen wedge]

It’s more like, Gorgo and Alberto have similar niches, while Dasp was built for more bulkier and larger prey

[halcyon cobalt]

Mid*

[charred hearth]

dont let daspleto mains here that

[ashen wedge]

I’ll just say this, every creature is mid, since there is not superior build for different niches when comparing two different niched animals together

[sterile trail]

Why perucetus?

[severe yew]

a very harsh for something so little like that, if you ask me 🤦‍♂️

[stiff osprey]

wasn't it for posting saurophaganax?

[fluid inlet]

So someone else made a drawing of perucetus and It was like it’s a weird drawing the perucetus was trying to courtship the female perucetus , no wrong person @stiff osprey

[halcyon cobalt]

minor grammatical error

[charred hearth]

sorry, the're*

[tall prawn]

Random,is the 7-8t average for a Rex outdated or it’s still that size?

[warm saddle]

Around that range should e accurate

[charred hearth]

when did rex go from 5 - 6 ton average to 7- 8 ton average? 2004?

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/CCKFbFi56lk?si=bMI3pXNi9y11aJIu

[stark roost]

That guy just hates everything dude 💔

[wary fable]

Awesome Rex figure Jumpscare

[fluid inlet]

I never watched his stuff before but his points were very valid

[wary fable]

I was watching this video and noticed a sauropod being attacked by a allosaurus scene being showed and the allosaurus pouncing on the sauropods side like a raptor in a movie which is unrealistic but I personally think is a really neat piece of fiction seeing such a large animal pounce and latch on to a larger animal

[light osprey]

I think the horseshoe canyon is colder than dinosaur park actually

[stiff osprey]

It would be if not for the fact Albertosaurus was always packing heat

[edgy oasis]

This is blatantly false, however, this is the not the place for discussing him further.

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

It's completely wrong because Gorgosaurus solos no diff but like, it's fire

[halcyon cobalt]

which formation is carried by aura and hype moments the most?

[compact leaf]

morrison probably has the most of both

[severe yew]

wow, i do like lips on some carnivorous dinos like yangchuanosaurus shangyouensis 🔥

looks intimidating without even having to show its teeth

[charred hearth]

would you say people would still be interested in hell creek without tyrannosaurus?

[warped peak]

An environment with no large predators at ALL? That'd be really interesting ecologically

[charred hearth]

oh yeah, i guess if tyrannosaurus wasnt there, we'd find no macropredator

[balmy oyster]

This comment is so untrue discord wants to put the ❌ emoji twice for reactions

But also no his points were very spot on, the new show is also just not really good whatsoever apart from a select few elements

[charred hearth]

do you think we'd figure out the apex of the very late cretascous was shaped more like tarbo instead of dasp without rex?

i dont know how to word it, im sorry

[stark roost]

No but like almost all his videos is just hating lol

[halcyon cobalt]

maybe he hates everything in a nuanced and valid way

[edgy oasis]

This has to be ragebait, I’ve been watching Steve for a long while, and he basically never hates on any content besides newly released Disney movies or just bad animated movies. He actually focuses on reviewing very creepy/uncanny content. Which most of the time he reviews things in a very constructive manner

[white matrix]

Guys ngl Goliath or the max weight of a trex in the future is bigger then Jurassic world rebirths trex

[halcyon cobalt]

cool

[balmy oyster]

Tbh he isn’t wrong most of the time, and especially this time he’s correct with his critique

[halcyon cobalt]

Does d. Rex have unguligrade feet?

[ashen wedge]

Yes considering it houses nearly all of the dinosaurs that the average Joe can list off of their head, and it’s the location of a lot of diverse fauna

[outer tusk]

can't really be outdated if we don't have a definitive average

[lofty creek]

just found that many people doesnt know what a correct Tsintaosaurus crest would look like. They just know the old unicorn version was wrong then use another incorrect version.

Only the last one was the correct version and the third one was also proven wrong.

[placid stump]

The 3rd one is accurate

[lofty creek]

no
being proved wrong twice in 2017 and 2020

[placid stump]

Ohhh then witch one then

[native kindle]

you should probably re-read the original message

[twin lava]

dont you love it when people use the term size incorrectly and you correct them and they say your stupid

[ashen wedge]

Alright, this is confusing me, since too many messages, someone give me the stats

[twin lava]

idk whats going on either dont ask me

[ashen wedge]

Is 3rd or 4th accurate? Cause this is really confusing me, and fair enough

[twin lava]

i think its the 4th

[ashen wedge]

Dam, it is going back to the weird balls head crest meme?

[outer tusk]

the 4th one is the accurate one

[fossil ingot]

Alot of Irl Rexes are heavier than JW Rexes

[white matrix]

mmm.... why are archosaurs generally scaly?

[stiff osprey]

they descended from scaly ancestors, and scales work fine enough for most things archosaurs did

[white matrix]

No I mean bigger in size

[stiff osprey]

rexy in JWD is over 14 meters long while Goliath is around 13 meters, so real life tyrannosaurs are not longer than JW ones

[ashen wedge]

They could have been a bit larger, but then again we wouldn’t know since fossilization is a rare and difficult process

Although, I would call it a stretch for it to be larger than 13 meters, but not impossible, although I say that 13 meters might have been the limit

[white matrix]

im pretty sure a hypothetical max size trex could be rebirth sized

[tall prawn]

@stiff osprey is there somtbing going on with macrensis?

[balmy oyster]

No

[outer tusk]

eh

[balmy oyster]

Nothing really big, there was debates about it from the start

Same paper I think also tries to get rid of nanotyrannus

[tulip gyro]

the rex in rebirth might be my second fsvourite dinosaur in JW, it looked so good, and how it moved too

[white matrix]

ik its so cool and like a lil more accurate

[tulip gyro]

the skinpattern, and the way how robust it looked compared to rexy. finally they chose a rex model that looked close to the jp ones, even tho the boat scene was kind of meh, bc how can it withstand the rexes bite but except that the rex was great. just sad how little screentime it got

[twin lava]

coughs larger/bigger means weight (COUGHS)

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[stiff osprey]

yeah that's just. objectively true

[thorn grove]

that's sad cuz the third one was peak tbh

[hallow spear]

Size.. also means weight and length

[white matrix]

thats kinda what i mean gangster

[hallow spear]

You corrected someone when they said weight

[white matrix]

i ment like length and height but ye ig weight

[fossil ingot]

Rexy is 13.5m
So Goliath isn't Much Shorter, Average Rex in the Verse is like 12.2m and 7t
Rexy, and Big Eatie are the same size
Rebirth Rex is a Mess cause sure it has statements saying its Big but the size Givrn in said Statements don't help it

Then again, Goliath Massively Outweights them

[white matrix]

wish I could live long enough to see maras develop into horse like rodents

[hardy sentinel]

Would y'all believe me if I told you that Velociraptor was more related to Protoceratops than it was to Utahraptor? If you did believe then shame on you for being so gullible and believing everything you read on the Internet

[ashen wedge]

Would y’all believe me if I say that I disagree with the first half, but agree on the second half

[balmy oyster]

Would y’all believe me if I said that I am approaching your location at a relatively quick pace and covering ground as we speak

[ashen wedge]

Nah, cause am watching you type

[balmy oyster]

[halcyon cobalt]

Every a second you aren’t running is a second of your life wasted

[gloomy fulcrum]

Path make this make sense👀🤔

[tough parcel]

Why is the Trike's face so deep

[winter marsh]

that trike small

[thorn zinc]

Sauropelta (the small anky) might be a fun addition to POT.

[hardy sentinel]

If all modern canids died off today, how would we be able to tell from just fossils that they for sure lived in packs?

[twilit fox]

that easy by biodiversity studies

[hardy sentinel]

I should rephrase

How would we know something pack hunted for sure based on just fossils

[wraith jay]

Hey i have a question guys

What's the définition of a animal living the night ?i know a animal living the day is diurnal

[hardy sentinel]

Nocturnal

[wraith jay]

Thx i thought that was a another word

[twilit fox]

yet again biodiversity studies, we compare how many can be found in a given location at a given time span. then compare it to other behaviors that are similar to its life style. we wont know for sure but we can make educated guesses based on these biodiversity studies to make a hypothesis

[hardy sentinel]

So do we know of any prehistoric (pre cenozoic animals preferably) that hunted in packs based on the biodiversity? I know the Albertosaurinae are up there as supposed pack hunters, but what about their ecosystem would hint at such?

[twilit fox]

yes biodiversity studies help with this. the more information we get about an ecosystem the better. Biodiversity studies look at more then 1 animal at a time. they will study the other fauna in the environment well as the flora. example we know for sure dire wolf was a pack hunter based on the large prey items found in the ecosystem. one dire wolf wont be able to take on alot of these animal.

now if we look at albertosaurinaes its different. majority of the prey items were mostly herd animals based on how many you estimate in a given location at a given time. studying prehistoric animals are a bit harder since many things can happen to the fossils to change this outcome but from years of looking at fossil cross referencing evidence we already have we can make educated guesses on how the life style of these animals would be like.

[little mauve]

Isotopic studies could confirm that young animals had the same diet as adults, supporting multi-age family groups which are generally the base units of predator sociality

[thorn grove]

does anyone have that really goofy skeletal image from like 2010 or whenever supposedly comparing spino and allo but the spino is like 20 meters long

[severe yew]

when dinosaurs walked the earth, there were also huge insects lurking around...

today exist the giant malaysian katydid, one of the largest carnivorous insects in the world

i wonder how much bigger these nightmarish creatures used to be back then 😳

[fluid inlet]

There was some monster ticks around during the dinosaur days

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/Independent/status/1942422231897829657

The Independent (@Independent)

New species of flying reptile that lived among dinosaurs 200m years ago discovered https://t.co/9nIOHmkyZs

X · Jul 8, 2025, 3:15 AM

[hardy sentinel]

I can't believe vro is real 🥀

(Brachytrachelopan)

[white matrix]

what if it just had a deformity??

or extreme compression of the fossil

[severe yew]

"Eotephradactylus mcintireae. The name means “ash-winged dawn goddess"

"the oldest known species of pterosaur in North America."

damn, this is cool af fr 👌

[balmy oyster]

No it really was just built like that

It matches up well with other dicraesaurs

[hardy sentinel]

I'm sure the Paleontologists with degrees in biology and how rocks work know how to look for that kind of stuff looked into it

Fossil material of the dood

[balmy oyster]

For what it’s worth the material seems pretty well preserved

[fluid inlet]

Bro got a weird build

[frigid delta]

what if it has the Elasmosaurus early reconstruction situation all over again?

[balmy oyster]

No…we would know by now.

It’s REALLY hard to mess up sauropod cervicals for caudals, especially since we have the entire rest of the back and sacrum to go off of.

[placid stump]

Is this metri real

[onyx nest]

No

I did some research and it seems to originate from a Facebook post mentioning a project called eternal planet.

[halcyon cobalt]

Dicraeosaurid with a short tail? Yeah sure buddy

[flat pond]

The best ceratopsian design in JWE

https://youtu.be/rP5rF_P_nu0?si=q4loPMVO2sYnU6Ep

[frigid delta]

how accurate & inaccurate is Frontier's Lokiceratops?

[flat pond]

It’s leagues above the vast majority of the other ceratopsians in the game

[outer tusk]

It's very accurate

[junior dawn]

the hump looks weird, but besides that it’s great

[lavish frigate]

It’s so beautiful 🙏

[sharp jackal]

Other than the blue

[outer tusk]

I don't think the color really matters besides "blue being a rare color that's produced in nature"

[hallow spear]

Some ceratopsians do actually have a sort of hump shape going on tbf

[junior dawn]

yeah, but that ones crazy. In that pic at least

goes almost to the top of the frill, not counting the horns

[tulip dove]

Heh...

[outer tusk]

the hump seems a little raised but doesn't look to out of place

[gleaming peak]

Loki is peak and I love it
I wished it was used more instead of typical horned dinos like trikes and pachyrhinos

[hardy sentinel]

because we can tell Dicraeosaurid neck vertebrae from Dicraeosaurid tail vertebrae

[outer tusk]

random sauropod

[ashen wedge]

It’s big brain time

[sharp jackal]

It's not impossible, but any depiction that intends to be accurate should avoid improbable coloring

[outer tusk]

maybe

[topaz shell]

Here’s a better look at the back

[outer tusk]

also the blue one isn't even the default skin just fyi

[white matrix]

yeah and they've also made plenty of mistakes in the past but okay

[topaz shell]

Lowkey when frontier doesn’t have to make a Jurassic world specific design they usually get pretty accurate Ngl

[hardy sentinel]

You mean during the early days when stuff wasn't peer reviewed?

I can also go deeper into why we know Brachytrachelopan was short necked and not a compressed fossil if you'd like

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/AllosaurusJP/status/1942300493021134854/photo/1

✨Alice Goodman✨JWR HYPE (@AllosaurusJP)

Tyrannosaurs are fecking horrifying faced from the front

X · Jul 7, 2025, 7:11 PM

[white matrix]

im not talking about brachy, I'm saying theyre not perfect and still mess up things even in the modern day
stop glazing lil bro

[charred hearth]

your doing too much rn

[ancient crystal]

Why when I look back in this chat to see roughly when lokiceratops was described, I find someone defending David Peters instead

[charred hearth]

david peter son or jack horner son

[hardy sentinel]

and I ain't saying they're perfect, i'm saying they know what they're doing and don't make as many mistakes anymore

[gray nymph]

Is getting fossilised an option

[charred hearth]

no

[gray nymph]

Nooooo

[twin lava]

YO LOKICERATOPS IS GONNA BE IN JWE3? 🔥

[flat pond]

Yes

[twin lava]

what other species do yall want in jwe3?

[hardy sentinel]

an actual Velociraptor (or something like it)

[twin lava]

so true

[ancient crystal]

Hoping we get some more cenozoic species this time around

[charred hearth]

is this for nanotyrannus?

[sudden wind]

That is however something I definitely agree with and so is one reason why I think there may be more than one Tyrannosaur taxon in HC, but more solid works need to be done to clarify what definitely is Tyrannosaurus and what could be not.

[warped peak]

Personally I just believe it'll be a second species of Tyrannosaurus with slightly less reduced forelimbs

[undone rapids]

Since Nano was described as a separate genus I feel they'll keep it that way.

[warped peak]

They would need a lot to keep it separate from Rex

[undone rapids]

Well the holotype being an adult is alot already if that happens

[balmy oyster]

We already have a good amount in defense for nano we just need to describe other specimens associated with it to get a better understanding

[warped peak]

This is fair. It would need a lot to keep it separate, but there very well could be a lot when the specimens are described better

A very common occurrence in paleontology

[sharp jackal]

Nano holotype has a fused skull

[charred hearth]

is it true megapirannha's were probably more herbivorous then carnivorous or did someone lie to me

[sharp jackal]

No lol I'm pretty sure that's true but tbf I'm not super familiar with the taxon

[balmy oyster]

I can see it being real, current larger relatives of piranhas are herbivorous (unless pacu are completely unrelated and my life is a lie (nvm just checked they are closely related))

[sudden wind]

Depends if said Nanotyrannus and Stygivenator stuffs are indeed mature or not

[sudden wind]

I guess Megapiranha would be sort of omnivorous given its intermediate tooth morphology between Pacu's and other Piranhas. Could also very well be an adaptation to durophagy so they may have eaten stuffs like armored catfish, turtles, shellfish, gastropods etcetera. Megapiranha ecology isn't really understood so far.

[warped peak]

Definitely looks durophagous

[compact leaf]

that does look a lot like the dentition that you see in nut eating fish like pacu

[sharp jackal]

It really doesn't tho. The evidence of nano's or stygi's validity is pretty convincing regardless of maturity

[warped peak]

No, no it is pretty heavily dependant on that

[winter dock]

[sudden wind]

I mean, even if immature there probably are enough differences for them to be seperate taxon

[charred hearth]

which ampleosaurus mod is the most accurate? ( 3rd is the tlc for the 1st )

[zealous ravine]

It’s not actually, most reasons they are now considered separate are completely independent of ontogeny, such as tooth count and, as mentioned before, hand size. A confirmation of it being adult would certainly be a nail in the coffin but it isn’t necessary

[zealous ravine]

None of them are great but the third is best overall

[vast sedge]

is it possible smaller dinosaurs could've had slit pupils?

[charred hearth]

may i ask for like, i guess the flaws of each?

[white matrix]

It can still be a species of tyrannosaurus couldn't it? I mean look at leopards and lions, theyre in the same genus with different tooth counts

[frigid delta]

spike should be on spine

[undone rapids]

whether its a different genus or species is really just upto authors, doesn't really make a difference, Tyrannosaurus Mcrensis was gonna be a different genus from Tyrannosaurus, but the publisher wanted to make a Tyrannosaurus species so that's how it got published. Its Arbitrary for dinosaurs

[white matrix]

tyrannosaurus baatar
tyrannosaurus magnus💔

[white matrix]

probably the best depiction of its ive seen

that skull looks a bit iffy but it's what popped up

also im really lost about sauropod "beaks"

[warped peak]

Thats why I said species, I agree with that

[undone rapids]

Nanotyarnnus is popular enough as a name that I feel they'll keep it if they have the choice, besides it's different enough for it to be easier to have its own genus name for public's sake, though I dunno if they consider that type of stuff

[white matrix]

weren't their teeth meant for pulling? why would they have beaks? bro what is this cooldown

[warped peak]

Because pulling as an action is the easiest way to break out teeth

This is why biting typically isnt used in martial arts

[stark roost]

Goated

[charred hearth]

in captivity , how long do y'all think , lets say, tyrannosaurus, patagotitan and dromeosaurus, would live for?

[undone rapids]

Considering we've got oldest tyrannos in the early 30s, maybe in the 50s in captivity?

[stiff osprey]

my thoughts as well, i don't think titanosaurs would get much older than that (though oddly diplodocids got into their 60s)

[fluid inlet]

Meanwhile crocodile s living to their 70s in the wild

Damn I just seen that orcas can live up to 90 years in the wild

[balmy oyster]

None of them, solely because we have no good basis of what it looked like irl due to it being a bonebed and nobody really wanting to put it all together to figure it out

[compact leaf]

I wouldn’t be surprised if large sauropods got past their 60s or 70s, at huge sizes you need good dna repair and anti cancer mechanisms and long lifespan tends to be a side effect of that

[stiff osprey]

at least diplodocids did
the odds that the 1 specimen of d.hallorum/supersaurus with a histology was the oldest one ever are astronomically low

[charred hearth]

when do you guys believe large therapods were up and ready to go after they hatched? like, a year? 2? maybe less or more? ( i mean like, being able to live and hunt on their own )

[stiff osprey]

def not more than 2 years, large theropods had a short window to reproduce so the young would need to be independent asap

[charred hearth]

how about a month?

[stiff osprey]

that seems too short, but it probably varied between species

apparently ostrich chicks stick to their parents for about 2 months, while emus stay with their father for 6 months or more, and cassowaries for 9 months or more

crocodylians are 6-8 months with up to 2 years in rare cases

[balmy oyster]

I’m willing to bet maybe a week at most

Heck it might just be immediately, croc hatchlings are basically capable of fully fending for themselves from the start even if still getting supervision from the mother for a while

[stiff osprey]

i mean they could def walk and eat within a few days of hatching if not immediately but i doubt they would survive without parental care at that age

*most theropods i mean - there was probably a few species where they did exactly that

[outer tusk]

Would coelophysis and compy be considered basal theropods, am curious

[stiff osprey]

coelophysis is, compsognathus is not

[outer tusk]

What make compy not a basal theropod compared to coelo, I haven't seen anything recent for either one of them

[stiff osprey]

compy's a coelurosaur so it's more derived (relative to birds) than say, giganotosaurus or spinosaurus

coelophysis is just like somewhere around neotheropoda

[charred hearth]

you really think like, one week year old rex or like, lets say giga can live on its own?

[outer tusk]

hey Random have you scaled "Big John"

[balmy oyster]

If crocodile hatchlings can go off and hunt insects/small fish only hours from hatching then I don’t see why theropod hatchlings couldn’t adapt quickly to their surroundings and be able to hunt down small animals as well

[outer tusk]

because theropods hatchlings aren't like crocodile hatchlings 😭 hell some stil lstay with the mothers

[charred hearth]

i mean i suppose, but are crocodiles really the best analogy?

[stiff osprey]

they're at least as good of an analogy as birds for multiple reasons

but the thing is crocs still have parental care even if they don't give the young their food

[balmy oyster]

Derived birds are not the same as non avian theropod dinosaurs tbf

[charred hearth]

oh like, a baby rex could hunt on its own but the parent would be in the area to protect it if needed?

[outer tusk]

or like what we were saying before it could always vary

[stiff osprey]

most likely care without directly feeding them imo, i doubt the parents would be bringing their babies a whole ahh triceratops to eat, or whatever it is that the adults were hunting

[balmy oyster]

This is all speculation since we know very little on how theropods functioned regarding raising/caring for young, compared to ornithopods and sauropods

[outer tusk]

non avian just to add for confused*

[charred hearth]

werent sauropods deadbeats

[stiff osprey]

also ofc i am talking about giant theropods where the parents are a thousand+ times the size of the hatchling

some smaller theropods could prob afford to feed their young directly

[charred hearth]

all i remember from documentries is that sauropods laid their eggs and ran ( walked off ) to go find more food , letting the hatchlings fend for themselves until they could find a sauropod herd to take them in

[compact leaf]

some were but when you weigh 50 tons and your kid is the size of a melon it’s a little hard to care for them, basal sauropodomorphs and europasaurus have evidence to suggest they were actually caring for their young in some capacity though

[severe yew]

yea, i am sure a few big dinos could live hundreds of years

i don't care what anyone says

[charred hearth]

maybe like, early hundreds, i wouldnt say hundred of years

[stiff osprey]

there's only two vertebrates alive that even make it to 200 and one of them is cold blooded

[charred hearth]

right whale son or gallapose tortise daughter

[balmy oyster]

Greenland shark basement dweller

[rich vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-uhh-fish-abyss-gif-21867418

[stiff osprey]

jonathan the tortoise needs to live for 8 more years to be added to the 200+ club, right now it's just right whale and greenland shark

both of which live in greenland... perhaps evidence that the fountain of youth is in greenland

[jagged trellis]

ah but you forgot the ai facebook monk who lives in a house carried by live bamboo and wrestles brown bears daily

[outer tusk]

Was this skeletal ever based on any specfic speicmen or no, also what would a neutral pose ofthis guy look like?

[charred hearth]

do you think he's living for 8 more years?

[stiff osprey]

he seems to be in good health so if he dies it's probably because the greenland mafia got him

[charred hearth]

maybe Issi saaneq is still alive living in greenland somewhere

[stiff osprey]

bowhead/right whales are really interesting to me bc like, most things that live to be 200+ years old are like invertebrates or trees, but mysticetes are demonstrably incredibly intelligent animals

a 200+ year old whale must have so much knowledge

granted it is mostly knowledge of how to break ice and where to find krill but i mean it's something

[balmy oyster]

Maybe it’s seen Cthulhu and was friends with him for 50 years before he left to go to mars

[charred hearth]

it makes you wonder the life-span of marine reptiles, imagine how hold a itchyotitan could get

[outer tusk]

hey Random one more question is Compy a "basal" coelursaurian

[stiff osprey]

yeah, one of the most basal

[tough parcel]

Who is using Compsognathus as their basal coelurosaurian

Don't they know it is tiny and would be crushed under the later coelurosaurians?

[balmy oyster]

But but Jurassic park!!!

[charred hearth]

we need to bring back semi aquatic compy

[balmy oyster]

I remember seeing that in a book I once had and pondered about it every day

[outer tusk]

I guess this guy

[charred hearth]

everything he said in that ss is facts

[stiff osprey]

a basal dinosaur is like, eoraptor
a basal bird is an ostrich

which group you are referring to very much matters lmao

[charred hearth]

a ostrich is basal?

[outer tusk]

He mentions it's basal within coelursaurian like you said

[stiff osprey]

paleognaths are basal to all other (living) birds

[charred hearth]

would any troodontid be more carnivorous then herbivorous? because i know laten is more herbivorous but im curious about the others

[tough parcel]

I think any Asian troodontid

[charred hearth]

i feel like asian troodontids are overshadowed by dromeosaurids , justice for asian troodontids

[stark roost]

Are dicraesaurids and rabechisaurids closely related?

[balmy oyster]

Yes

[stark roost]

Is there a good size chart for rabechisaurids and dicraeusaurids.

[balmy oyster]

There’s a good one for derived rebbachisaurids

[tough parcel]

My favorite part is it's all Nigersaurus with minor edits

[charred hearth]

i swear nigersaurus was smaller then that?

[stark roost]

👍

[balmy oyster]

Tbf is this all nigersaurus-and-more-derived part of rebbachisauridae, if we included everything then half of the rebbachisaurids would just be lavocatisaurus but with minor edits

[stiff osprey]

and also 3000% harder to make because basal rebbachisaurs have the worst material ever

[hardy sentinel]

Sorta? They're both in the Diplodocimorpha, but Dicraeosaurids are more related to the Diplodocuds than they are to the Rebbachisaurids

[zinc kraken]

Isn’t be cute guys?

[stark roost]

I’ve heard rebachisaurids are more primitive compared to those 2 if I’m correct

[stiff osprey]

it's already barely bigger than a rhino, you want to make it smaller? 😭

[charred hearth]

what clade did pervertasaurus belong too? it looks so stupid

[hardy sentinel]

You're gonna want to sit down while I tell you this

[stiff osprey]

Why did they draw an ass on the top of its head

[hardy sentinel]

Yup, Flagellicaudata (Dicraeosaurids and Diplodocids) are more derived

[hardy sentinel]

how did that sentence not get poofed by the swear decetor bot

You can say a word synonymous with butt but the second I say our genus name or our direct ancestor my message gets poofed

[balmy oyster]

I have a headcannon that it was a albertosaurine that fossilised with a saurolophine and it became a chimera fossilised in a funny position

[stiff osprey]

I was sure i was going to get flagged with that that's why i said "ahh" earlier

maybe the bot got tired of censoring me

[ashen wedge]

I forgot about that dinosaur….. welp, at least we knew that we had one trait in common with dinosaurs

[charred hearth]

atleast it had range, going from argentina and hell creek formation

[hardy sentinel]

https://the-tank-bale.fandom.com/wiki/Pervatasaurus_leroy

This fandom page is hilarious

[stiff osprey]

i like how the american one gets identified to a specific formation but the argentinian one is just ''argentina"

[hardy sentinel]

This made up dinosaur makes me uncomfortable

[twin lava]

this is my favorite dinosaur now

[white matrix]

any accurate paleoart/reconstruction of the skull of ampelosaurus?

[balmy oyster]

None that I can find

[stiff osprey]

I swear i've seen one before

[hardy sentinel]

do we have skull material of them?

[charred hearth]

why does no one love ampleo enough to reconstruct its bones

[hardy sentinel]

it's not a traditional Titanosaur so people can't copy/paste it

[charred hearth]

whos more copy and paste, gigantosaurini or titanosaurs

[balmy oyster]

Bonebed taxa & sort of what spicyy said

It’s similar to moabosaurus & mierasaurus

[stiff osprey]

reconstructing bonebed taxa is always a pain in the ass, and it's even worse with a group as wide and diverse as titanosaurs

[hardy sentinel]

Guess which one is Argentinosaurus, Dreadnoughtus, and Puertasaurus

[stiff osprey]

none because all those recons are bad 💔

but the one making theropods fly is argent

[hardy sentinel]

they're all Argentinosaurus

[stiff osprey]

the grey one looks more like Isisaurus

and the middle one looks like a cat

[hardy sentinel]

I mean, in defense of the paleoartists this is all they're going off of

(Argentinosaurus, Dreadnoughtus, and Puertasaurus)

[balmy oyster]

?

[hardy sentinel]

Dread has some nice art though

[compact leaf]

me when futalognkosaurus exists to base things off

[balmy oyster]

Prehistoric planet and its consequences of extra soft tissue

[hardy sentinel]

Puertasaurus not Patagotitan 🥀

Also the fossil material thing I sent for dread is the same as what you sent, just different stances

[balmy oyster]

But they’re closely related, meaning you can use patagotitan to base both puerta and argent off of.

Plus the dread you sent regardless of showing all the material is still innacurate, that pose has been outdated for decades now 😭

[ashen wedge]

Last one I’ll say is accurate

[hardy sentinel]

I know... I just don't get why you sent it with "?" even though there is nothing to question about the fossil material I sent

[stiff osprey]

argent is the sister taxon to patagotitan so we have a pretty good idea of what it looked like

and dread is itself one of the most complete sauropods

puertasaurus still sucks though sorry

[hardy sentinel]

imagine being known from two bones

[balmy oyster]

I got you one better

[hardy sentinel]

How do we know it's distinct 😭

You cannot possibly get that much info from a metacarpal

[balmy oyster]

Paleontology comforts the disturbed, and disturbs the comfortable

[charred hearth]

thoughts? https://x.com/Evoincarnate/status/1942318758866960593

‘EWA WAHINE’ONIUHINUI (she/they/it) 🦈 (@Evoincarnate)

Some example of this in motion with my megalodon model
A slowed down version showing the steps of a bite & underlying anatomy

X · Jul 7, 2025, 8:24 PM

[hardy sentinel]

Nevermind, most likely got described because it was the only Megaraptoran in the area and time

Why they be describing a metacarpal that fast but not the Bissekty giant

[charred hearth]

idk, i guess i really just never thought of megs jaw jetting out like that

[severe yew]

all that can be found from megalodon is teeth, bro

so now you are telling me that we can tell how its jaw moved?

.
but good work, nonetheless 👏

[charred hearth]

wanna argue against this?

[hardy sentinel]

I LOVE ANCESTRAL TRAITS 🗣️ 🔥

[severe yew]

she/they/it clearly said "seems to resemble", so the word seems injects a bit of uncertainty, otherwise she/they/it would have clearly said "resemble" without the seems word

look up the "seem" dictionary definition, it clearly says its:

• used to make a statement or description of one's thoughts, feelings, or actions LESS ASSERTIVE or forceful.

[charred hearth]

you can just say one pronoun yknow

[severe yew]

i didn't know wich one was the correct one

[charred hearth]

i mean, if it appears a ancestor had it, why wouldnt meg? ( if the ancestor did, infact, have it )

[severe yew]

because an ancestor does not equal the same, and could have been very different

[charred hearth]

would it just like, loose the mechanism over time then ?

[stiff osprey]

are we talking about the jaw going forwards when it bites? because literally every shark does this, regardless of size

you'd need some damn good evidence to show that meg didn't

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/shark-bite-gif-3447715

[severe yew]

look, i love megalodon, all i am saying is that without having the entire skeleton fossilized, wich apparently is not possible if its skeleton was like modern sharks, made of cartilage that dissappears before fossilization can occur

without the entire skeleton there is always a degree of uncertainty

[stiff osprey]

we don't have eyeballs preserved from smilodon, but we definitely know it had eyes

[lavish frigate]

“But how do you know?????”

[severe yew]

true, but we will likely never know other very important traits, such as their color, focal acuity, darkness sensitivity, etc...

[stiff osprey]

sure, i don't think you can accurately infer how fast meg's jaws closed

although given what i know of fish the answer is probably "a lot faster than anyone's comfortable with"

[charred hearth]

dont we know smilo's coloring?

[stiff osprey]

dunkleosteus and its milisecond long jaw closing time

^no we don't, although i think they meant eye color

[charred hearth]

oh, i might be thinking of another saber toothed cat then, i thought like, cave paintings would help us figure out the coloring of them?

[severe yew]

let me ask you this, almighty random, based on your vast knowledge, do you think there is any possibility that a megalodon's major parts of its skeleton would ever be found somehow, maybe by a fossilization mechanism that is very bizarre?

[stiff osprey]

sabertooths are only present in a few american cave paintings, although those ones are just the same color as the rock they are painted on

[stiff osprey]

it's happened before to smaller sharks, so it's possible? although i imagine it would have to be a young megalodon

which would make the skeleton even less likely to preserve than adult shark cartilage

[severe yew]

why only smaller sharks and not bigger ones?

[stiff osprey]

like we have a complete cretalamna skeleton and (i think) a nearly complete cretoxyrhina

The most well preserved animals are generally small, probably because it's easier to bury a small carcass than a giant one

[severe yew]

noted

[stiff osprey]

I also completely forgot that we already have an entire precaudal spine preserved from megalodon

no skull but there's like 11 m of vertebrae which is nice

[severe yew]

oh damn, that is very cool 😎

[charred hearth]

can i be honest? i think ankylodocus could kind of exist in real life, we just need to find a saltasaurid with a tail club

[rich vessel]

Not sure if it’s a saltasaurid but there’s shunnosaurus

[high thicket]

#paleontology

[charred hearth]

this is ineed, paleontology

[sudden wind]

Meg is literally a shark and all sharks have mobile jaws. Suggesting it is uncertain that Meg could move its jaw out is like saying that we aren't sure Argentavis had a sternum and could fly.

https://tenor.com/view/shark-gif-22187756

[severe yew]

i didn't said anything about megalodon moving its jaw out, i simply said that without the majority of its skeleton, or at least jaw area, we could never know for sure exactly how its jaw would have moved

and yea, i have seen plenty of white sharks and how they hunt, and move their awesome jaws, etc...

[charred hearth]

so do goblin sharks just take the jaw movement to the extreme?

[severe yew]

not sure bro, but this is what i am talking about

how do we know exactly how far out megalodon's jaw would move? we can't with the little fossil evidence we have

.
just imagine if it was able to move ita jaws out almost like a goblin shark 💀

[sudden wind]

Probably unlikely because it didn't have a goblin shark like face.

[charred hearth]

question, are these the top 3 most powerful bite forces?
1 - megalodon
2 - tyrannosaurus
3 - deinosuchus ( ?)

[gaunt stone]

Its actually this
1 - me
2 - me
3 - bird of some sort

[severe yew]

here we go again

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/extinct-bird-moa-colossal-biosciences-1235380503/

[unborn sigil]

Real

[zealous ravine]

It’s not, Shunosaurus is a we-don’t-know-wtf-it-is, but there are a few sauropods that seem to have clubs so I’d say it’s def possible

[rich vessel]

[halcyon cobalt]

Apparently jack Horner inspired pervatasaurus

[frigid delta]

that diver is THICC gat dayum who made that diver model

[stark roost]

But this would honestly be cool tho. We’re going to have a new biggest dinosaur to live on our earth rn

[balmy oyster]

Shunosaurus & mammenchisaurs

[ruby moat]

Does paleo chat like my new collection addition?

[flint hornet]

Flicking epic

[white matrix]

yes, we have 3 total skulls but neither is complete and I can't find photos of them ...

[white matrix]

titanosaurs all have very distinct heads from what we've seen, a lot are just given the same head because we haven't found them yet

[white matrix]

so thats why I dont see any full reconstruction of shant even tho its mostly complete...

[white matrix]

argent and puerta go off patagotitan

the most copy n paste dinosaurs in my opinion are carcharodontosaurs

[halcyon cobalt]

I don’t think that counts since they are so fragmentary we don’t know their obvious differences

[outer tusk]

Also if we wanna argue "copy n paste" Megaraptoran is right there

[carmine wind]

We all know who this guy is

[halcyon cobalt]

rephrase

clarify

[carmine wind]

The guy who- You know..... Made the scavenger Rex theory, and dated someone way younger.

[outer tusk]

Ifykyk, those who know!

[sharp jackal]

I mean the Rex scavenger theory isn't totally ridiculous.

[carmine wind]

It is ridicioulous.

[tough parcel]

No Patrick, saying "T. rex would have scavenged occasionally like any other predator" does not make the theory less ridiculous

[sharp jackal]

I mean it's a bit ridiculous, but imo it has some merit as a plausible theory especially now that we can consider nano to be 100% valid beyond doubt

[halcyon cobalt]

What how

[tough parcel]

How does Nanotyrannus being valid affect the idea that T. rex was a strict/predominantly scavenger

There's still a lot more problems with the idea than "Oh now we have a new predator in the area"

[halcyon cobalt]

in what environment is the only large carnivore an obligate scavenger

[tough parcel]

The Hell Creek of course...

[halcyon cobalt]

The roving bands of sapient dakotaraptor were the true alpha predators

[sharp jackal]

Well I mean at times with few prey, the more capable predator may have consumed the avaliable food source, leaving Rex with no choice but to scavenge. So it's possible Rex was sort of seasonal scavenger

[halcyon cobalt]

that just… isn’t what jack Horner proposed at all though

[outer tusk]

Wouldn't it make more sense to refer to Tyrannosaurus as a predator that like all predator sometimes scavenge when it wanted too also are we deadass havign scavenger rex debate in THE BIG 2025s

[tough parcel]

This makes zero sense because the environment does not indicate it experienced severe times of drought like that as @light osprey might explain

As well as the fact T. rex had to walk and could not fly, immediately becoming more inefficient at scavenging than any scavenging-reliant animal ever

[sharp jackal]

I mean maybe nano couldn't crush bones. So the Rex would scavenge off any carrion provided by the environments more capable predator

[outer tusk]

what

[halcyon cobalt]

nanotyrannus
more capable predator

[scenic flame]

Tyrannosaurus could not possibly cause such a severe localized extinction, and if it did there'd be nothing left to scavenge.

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/vegito-vegito-gansta-vegito-suit-drip-vegito-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-315651423676567245

[sharp jackal]

It was faster, more agile, and had longer arms. This is like being surprised when someone says that a wolf is a more capable predator than a bear...

[halcyon cobalt]

What would nano hunt that T. Rex would bother scavenging just the bones from

[tough parcel]

The mighty Alamosaurus...

[scenic flame]

Please research actual ecology, we can't do that for you

[halcyon cobalt]

nanotyrannus used its superior speed and agility to speedblitz triceratops, ankylosaurus and edmontosaurus apparently

[outer tusk]

Bro is just copying RickRaptor's video but using it like Jack Horner

[sharp jackal]

Yes because Rex was also taking down mature Anky's and trikes. Nano was way more suited for pursuit hunting and probably had an easier time hunting immature prey.

[carmine wind]

WAIT SO NANO IS VALID?

[tough parcel]

Stop falling for the obvious ragebait...please...

And yea @carmine wind it seems there's more reliable papers coming out soon that supports Nano's validity

[sharp jackal]

Yea I can send the link to the paper

[outer tusk]

I know Gualicho, but can the bait be at least something original 😭 and not the most number one thing

[tough parcel]

Which paper are you using lol

You're either about to send something people have laughed at or you're going to send an abstract

[halcyon cobalt]

I thought number one thing was “edmusthosaurus but unironically”

[sharp jackal]

https://doi.org/10.11646/mesozoic.2.2.1
S
Not sure why people think I'm batting. It's simply an alternative theory. But I suppose anything that reduces Rex to anything less than a God is considered "bait"

[light osprey]

Whuh

[sharp jackal]

Also note that I'm pretty sure this is not a full paper, just a preview.

[tough parcel]

They using the GSP paper 😭 😭 😭

@light osprey Do you have knowledge on whether the Hell Creek environment was changing between times of severe drought/whatever that would cause a period of starvation like what Dibble is speaking about

[halcyon cobalt]

maybe there were those locusts from Jurassic world dominion

[sharp jackal]

What's wrong with gsp?

[tough parcel]

The full-fledged crashout he has every time says he's wrong

Also the fact he proposed (potentially valid) differences in the fossils between Stygi, Nano, and Rex but tmk, never provides proper real evidence beyond his drawings which is further made suspicious as, if you look at his Sue reconstruction, you'll see he misinterprets a crack in the fossil as a suture near the postorbit

[halcyon cobalt]

this is why you should listen to a trusted paleontologist like David peters 👍

[sharp jackal]

Personally I don't agree with his obsession with splitting up taxa. I really just care about him reaffirming that appendages don't atrophy with maturity. It's always funny to see how deniers try to justify the shrinking of the arms.

[white matrix]

major news
scientifically proven dinosaurs walked like woodcocks

[light osprey]

It’s not possible for the Hell Creek to experience drought. It’s not recorded in the lithology but worse case scenario is that very rarely you might have river/swamp lowstand periods. The willow creek and mcrae fm are much more arid and do have tyrannosaurs, not that we know much more about the environments there.

[tough parcel]

Fire

[sharp jackal]

Tell us something we didn't know

[tough parcel]

I mean, that was something you didn't know considering your attempted support for scavenger rex

[sharp jackal]

It was just an alternative theory. Maybe it isn't very likely but it sure is plausible

[halcyon cobalt]

devils advocate?

[tough parcel]

It's actually not plausible or likely considering it's outright wrong that the environment had major times of lean pickings as well as what we said before about flight and ineffective travel

[sharp jackal]

Yea u get it. I don't necessarily support the theory I just think it has sufficient merit

[halcyon cobalt]

pretty unique perspective

[tough parcel]

Has anyone ever considered that some things don't need a "Devil's Advocate"?

[sharp jackal]

Lean pickings can be caused by other things than drought.

[tough parcel]

Such as?

[sharp jackal]

There's so many. But for starters it's possible that the more capable predator in the environment overhunted, or rex avoided the dryptosuarid out of fear. But a less interesting explanation could be something like disease in either the prey or their food source

[tough parcel]

I can't believe "more capable predator" is being played unironically

[halcyon cobalt]

Maybe this?

[sharp jackal]

Bit absurd but idk

[halcyon cobalt]

idk bro the movie said they had prehistoric dna and im just playing devil’s advocate

[tough parcel]

[sudden wind]

Can't believe yall fallen to this @scenic flame @tough parcel

[sharp jackal]

Yea but that's just a movie. I mean it's a cool theory but I just don't think it's very likely

[tough parcel]

I'm leaking our DMs...

[sharp jackal]

T Rex really wasn't much besides a giant mouth. Nanotyrannus on the other hand was the epitome of dryptosaurid evolution

[scenic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-gets-burned-spamton-spamton-tenna-spamtenna-tenna-gif-15397680562598785666

[sharp jackal]

I don't get it...

[outer tusk]

he's mocking you

[compact leaf]

there is not a predator that could overhunt that much megafauna to that absurd of a degree, it just doesn’t happen

[sharp jackal]

For?

[tough parcel]

The documentary Jurassic World (2015) showed a large, long-armed predator overhunting that much megafauna so…

[outer tusk]

figure it out

[sharp jackal]

Are you seriously deriving all of your hypotheses from Hollywood movies? And I'm supposed to take your arguments seriously?

[halcyon cobalt]

intelligent too

[compact leaf]

that’s pretty obvious sarcasm

[elfin pulsar]

that’s pretty obviously completely serious wdym

[tough parcel]

I would never be sarcastic, that’s bad…

[sharp jackal]

Oh that's okay... i gues...

[sharp jackal]

Wait so is it serious or is it sarcasmic? I feel like a trick is being played on me....

[compact leaf]

also, if the food source is rare enough that rex doesn’t have megafauna to hunt that means there isn’t anything to scavenge either

[sharp jackal]

Not necessarily

[compact leaf]

if rex was persisting as primarily a scavenger it needs something to scavenge, which implies that there’s enough carcasses around to maintain an 8-10 ton animal, which implies abundant megafauna

[jagged trellis]

don't you know the violent crime rates in middle upper north america back then?
hell creek the crime capital of the northern hemisphere for most of pre kt event

[sharp jackal]

It wasn't primarily a scavenger. Don't be ridiculous

[compact leaf]

you literally said that it’s plausible for that to be the case

[sharp jackal]

No, I said it was plausible that Rex resorted to scavenging when food was scarce

[undone rapids]

Yeah that pretty likely for all carnivores. heck, they'll scavenge even if it isn't scarce cuz who doesn't like free food

[sharp jackal]

Yes but it's more likely that Rex did it out of cowardice

[undone rapids]

it probably did it when the opportunity presented itself, a smaller rex has hunted something and can't just carry the body away? Bullying Time

[sharp jackal]

It's unlikely that the far more capable nanotyrannus wouldn't get to it first

[undone rapids]

It would get to it first ofcourse, though how long it can keep it would vary

[opaque kayak]

Szechuanosaurus zigongensis and Yuanmouraptor jinshajiangensis skeletals by Ineptosaurus 2025

[sharp jackal]

LOL do you really think a Rex is making a nano abandon its food??

[tough parcel]

Why did Dan Folkes change their name

[opaque kayak]

Hmm evidence they are the same person 🤔

[tough parcel]

(I'm saying that "Ineptosaurus" has a weirdly similar skeletal style as Dan Folkes, especially the skulls)

[undone rapids]

Oh was the conversation about Juvenile rexes? then I misunderstood probably

[sharp jackal]

No I mean an adult rex

[charred hearth]

what was more copy and paste, Megaraptoran or gigantosaurini?

[halcyon cobalt]

does it matter

[charred hearth]

yes because one wants to fight irl and i need to know which one it is because they all look the same

A megaraptoran and gigantosaurini wanna double team and i need to figure which ones they are 😡

[halcyon cobalt]

you have asked this same line of questions 3 times this month I believe so maybe that’s the true copy and paste

[charred hearth]

thats because i ask too many questiomns and i forget which ones i've already asked

[halcyon cobalt]

Sorry for being rude

[charred hearth]

it is not okay for i have been mauled and jumped by a mapusaurus and a austrovenator

its okay there was no harm done on your end

[sharp jackal]

It's fine. I'm a forgiving guy, just don't do it again and we're cool

[outer tusk]

The Moa

[ashen wedge]

Technically not far off, but then again, it ain’t really a moa

[outer tusk]

it's a joke since Colossal is apparently next idea is bring back the moa

[ancient crystal]

Didn't some colossal scientists admit they actually didn't revive the direwolf?

[shut flower]

I think so. I don't know any specifics so don't take my word for it

[stiff osprey]

they did, but the social media people backtracked on it later

[ancient crystal]

Wow, they're really doing all they can to make those three wolves seem like nothing more than PR stunts (which of course they are)

[elfin pulsar]

Everyone already forgot about them anyways

[tulip stream]

Social media teams suck ngl

[severe yew]

far more capable? lmfao 🤣 nanotyranus was joke compared to trex

[severe yew]

of course, anytime, any day

[severe yew]

lmao, you actually count what people say? lol

[charred hearth]

offical vs primodal tyrants, whats the more accurate rex?

[twin lava]

primordial iirc

[charred hearth]

would you say after the tlc the accuracy became much closer to the peak that is pt?

[scenic flame]

I would say both are pretty good, idk to the details enough to pick apart which is more or less accurate exactly, or if both have issues etc

[zealous ravine]

ye they said it was a major inspiration

[frail robin]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[tough parcel]

I'm sure they did 💀 a very major inspiration...

[charred hearth]

rex knew to bow down to the real apex of the formation, arcehraptor

[frail robin]

Obviously not, as the far superior, agile, warmblooded and clever Didelphodon would have bested the slow-moving reptile, as it is known it would have hunted in pack of thousands, a behavior seen in today's Humboldt Squid

[charred hearth]

didnt jacker horner only claim rex was a scavenger becauxe he didnt like finding its fossils

[ancient crystal]

I wouldn't be surprised, he seems oddly petty

[light osprey]

Unfortunately it would’ve been doing all that in the water 😢

[tough parcel]

Much like the modern day giant otter...

[balmy oyster]

Obamadon solo’s out of sheer will.

[charred hearth]

is the only memorable theory he got correct was stgyi and draco are pachy?

[balmy oyster]

Even that might not be correct anymore

[charred hearth]

i wanna know his thinking behind trike being a non fully grown toro

[ancient crystal]

I always heard he was a hadrosaur expert or something, but I only know him from his weird crackpot theories

[compact leaf]

he was a huge force in moving us forward during the dinosaur renaissance but then he fell off hard, he always had an ego problem too (and is just generally scummy)

[charred hearth]

david peters son or jacker horner son

[balmy oyster]

David peters

afaik he isn’t scummy, just clinically insane (also he hits the gym 🔥 )

[ancient crystal]

David Peters is the Jack Horner of paleoart, or is Jack Horner the David Peters of paleontology?

[sharp jackal]

Lol Rex was bulky and slow and had pathetic little arms. Probably couldn't even scratch his belly

[severe yew]

bro what the heck are you talking about, nano would be a little snack

[tulip gyro]

model wise yea, sound and animation wise? no

[sharp jackal]

Hahaha I'll admit you've tickled me pink. But seriously the dryptosaur was the only real threat to the hell creek fauna. Not 8 tons of fat

[severe yew]

more like your fearsome little guy would not even tickle a trex belly

look at this little thing, lmao 😂

and actually, you are talking about 8 to 10, if not more tons of pure muscle and crushing teeth 🔥

[sharp jackal]

Personally I'm more afraid of the dryptosaurid that could of been as fast as a cheetah

[severe yew]

everyone, bow to the king 😁

[severe yew]

yea, good... to run away 😅

[sharp jackal]

Look at the pathetic little think. Screaming in fear. I bet there's a nano just out of frame from the photographer

[severe yew]

its screaming of excitement because already munched on a few nanotyrannus 😉

[sharp jackal]

1. That literary doesn't make any since
2. He can't catch a nano because they're fast I think.
3. You can tell that it's a scream fear based on his body language

[severe yew]

bro, seriously, you should have picked a serious contender, such as a giga, acro, carch, spino, etc... if you wanna go against king trex

but a nanotyrannus? lmao 😂

[fossil ingot]

The True Goat

[sharp jackal]

I mean there was probably like 20 Nanos in one environment and only 1 Rex. So it's probably not even a 1v1 LOL. And even it was a nano could just run around the Rex until it got tired or passed out from dizziness

[tulip gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/crocodilian-croc-alligator-gator-saltie-gif-5274351812681648552

[fossil ingot]

Ahh yes.
The Fearsome Nanotyrannus

[severe yew]

lol, trex would only had to take 1 or 2 nanos, and the rest would just run away in fear

also, i have read that trex could have also walked in groups

[fossil ingot]

Even this guy has more body Aura.
"Nano" is the Cooler name tho

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/t-rex-trex-roar-jurassic-world-rebirth-raft-gif-9004292240121823452

[sharp jackal]

Probably not enough carrion in hell creek to support more than 1 t Rex at a time. And if you took any time to study the braincase of nano as I have, you would know that they lacked the part of the brain responsible for catalyzing fear. Soooooo...

[severe yew]

lol, trex was a fearsome hunter, in case you are not up to date with scientific discoveries 😉

[fossil ingot]

Nano's Validatiom is Still Debated anyways, and Until the Next Papers Comes not really much of a Point

[sharp jackal]

More like a fat chicken that couldn't fly.

[fossil ingot]

Sure there is a supposed Paper to Help its Validation.
But Said Paper is not even Out Yet nor we know if it was good.

[sharp jackal]

https://doi.org/10.11646/mesozoic.2.2.1
S

Read it and weep

[fossil ingot]

Ah Yes...Totally Fat Chickens, not like said Animal is pretty much one of the most effective ones out there
(Specimens Order is Sue, Scotty, AMNH 5027)

[twin lava]

I feel like the more than 50 species (iirc) of animals in hell creek would more than support carrion for Rex scavenging at times

[severe yew]

a 10 ton chicken with 12" crushing teeth?

bro, what are you drinking, lol 😆

[fossil ingot]

That Thing???
You do know that, that Paper is Pretty bad lol.
Its not good
The Papers main Goal is Propose New Tyranmosaurus Species, and Fails miserably at that

[tough parcel]

This has to be bait, y'all cannot read this and think they're still serious

[sharp jackal]

The appendage atrophy argument is literally irrefutable

[severe yew]

of course it is, because it would simply be ridiculous otherwise

still, got to educate ☺️

[fossil ingot]

I like to think that too.
But you know, wouldn't be surprise he is Serious

[twin lava]

It’s definitely rage bait lmao

[sharp jackal]

Once again. Rexcels seething when rex is portrayed as anything less than a supernatural diety

[fossil ingot]

Ahh Yes.
We forget Individual Vaeriatiom exists, Paper Contradicting Itself and Having Poor Arguments, anz Having Such an Aweful Sue Skull Recon too😭.
Cmon Bro

Papers has some Good Arguments but they Fall Apart the more you read the Paper

Like Look what GSP Did to Poor Scotty and Sue lol

[twin lava]

deformedasaurus rex (D-Rex)

[fossil ingot]

They were Masacree

[ashen wedge]

This might be a dumb question, but what is going on with Raptor Rex?

[sharp jackal]

Composition fallacy, just because some of the paper is bad does not mean all of it is. "Individual variation" has just become a nano denier buzzword atp. Apparently it's just coincidence that nano has larger arms and completely different shaped tooth sockets

[fossil ingot]

Again
The Nano Paper isn't out to we gotta wait for now.
Also Individual Variation is something that EVERYTHING has shown to have, Point makes some Good Points that the Paper itself makes Fall Apart
The Paper Itself is bad, and Has been said a Few Times is not the best

[twin lava]

Yknow I think if some male dinosaurs/pterosaurs/etc could have had massive crests on them I’m sure a Rex could have different head shapes based on yknow, genetics?

how many nano specimens have we even found

[tulip gyro]

embrace crocodilians

[fossil ingot]

All this Skulls are from the Same Species Btw.
And there are more Examples in the Animal Kingdom why Individual Variation Exists.

Does that Mean Nano is 100% Rex? No but is Likely and until more Nano Papers help Clear things out
Its gonna be a Debate lol

[sharp jackal]

Head shapes are not the same thing as arm length and most importantly the drastically different shapes of the tooth sockets

[twin lava]

yeah but it’s still the same example of variation in specimens

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Juvenile Rex ard Quite Literally know from Different Body Proportions compared go Adults
This is quite Common in the Family
They Look Different

[sharp jackal]

No other tyrannosaurid has enough remotely close to the same level of variability

[fossil ingot]

Look at this Cutie

[sharp jackal]

Same tooth sockets and the arms are not bigger than the adults 🤔

[ashen wedge]

I’m just confused, what about Raptor Rex? Is it valid or not?

[fossil ingot]

Same Species just different Age

[fossil ingot]

We don't even have Bro's Arms
That are Properly Described Anyways

[sharp jackal]

Every immature Rex specimen with preservation of teeth have sockets the same shape as the adults... strange

[ashen wedge]

I think Nanotyrannus is not valid for the time being unless any further evidence supports that there was a small Tyrannosaurid living in the same area of North America that T-Rex lives in and is confirmed to not be T-Rex

But till then, I consider it invalid by a long shot, unless a new smaller Tyrannosaur is found somewhere in the world and gets named Nanotyrannus to appease some people

[brittle comet]

Nanotyrannus is secretly a chicken that went back in time and tried to become a rex

[sharp jackal]

Drypto and nanuq hell-o-oh?

[ashen wedge]

But Chickens ain’t related to T-Rex by a long shot, that’s like me saying that I’m related to a Gibo

[ashen wedge]

In the same area as T-Rex, nanuq was in the Arctic and Drypto was considered to be outside of the Tyrannosaurinae species group

[elfin pulsar]

Gibo

[sharp jackal]

Nanuq and nano both had the same tooth socket shape of drypto. All dryptosaurids mane

[ashen wedge]

Nanuq is valid, Nano ain’t valid at the moment, so I will have to say this kindly, Nano is just a young T-Rex that gets misclassified due to our lack of understanding T-Rex biology at the time of its discovery

[charred hearth]

is leed the largest prehestoric filter feeder we have?

[sharp jackal]

I hate you. All you do is ask questions

[elfin pulsar]

Kid named you: 😔

[hushed fossil]

https://vxtwitter.com/MegaTyrannus/status/1943053813663043946?t=Fselz7xJshb9wpUCuftN0Q&s=19

unai 🇵🇲🦕 (@MegaTyrannus)

↪️ Replying to @Sketchy_raptor

@Sketchy_raptor i love to bring this up but the spanish dub even went a step further in the lost world and synonimized pachycephalosaurus with stygimoloch and called the compy a procompsognathus

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 9, 2025, 9:05 PM

[charred hearth]

they said the same thing about my ancestor

[ashen wedge]

You know we are allowed to ask questions on here, this ain’t a dictatorship

[charred hearth]

i ask questions because i like to start conversations and learn 😦 also i like talking to other people instead of just asking google\

[ashen wedge]

You are valid for asking questions, and yes conversations about paleontology and life that we know of is how we get to conclude some theories of what these animals did in their life time and environment, so don’t listen to the jerk saying you can’t ask questions

[mossy patrol]

is this genuine?

[regal crescent]

Yes and that’s why I’m on the side of Nano existing. They have found a Nano skull and its teeth are drastically different from Rex teeth. The issue is that a person who essentially “loaned” the fossil never gave it back. So they are unable to publish anything with only pictures.
I met a paleontologist in Fort Bragg who told me about that

[fluid inlet]

Reminds me of Quinn

[charred hearth]

who is that

[fluid inlet]

My 50 year old uncle

[sharp jackal]

Unfortunate

[outer tusk]

So what did I miss

[charred hearth]

sinoceratops has been exiled from ceratopsians because they think its a evil demon trying to infiltrate their clade

[ashen wedge]

True

[ashen wedge]

I’m not a hundred percent certain, but I am leaning to the side of believing that it is more likely true

[ashen wedge]

Are you sure?

[flint hornet]

Guys,why is sinoceratops so stinking cute

[charred hearth]

how good of a defense is this from predators?

[tough parcel]

Deadly

[ashen wedge]

This is the textbook example of survival

[ashen wedge]

Hm…. Cause it is

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-deal-with-it-whatever-gif-18121186

@sharp jackal
where you at?

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-funny-bat-ready-to-fight-gif-12585540

[severe yew]

nanotyrannus... lol

[ashen wedge]

There is no such thing

[severe yew]

we'll be waiting for you, dibble 😎

[ashen wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-15505006

[halcyon cobalt]

Dapperdibble has insane aura icl

[ancient crystal]

I like how the paleontology chat is more entertaining than the main PoT chat

[halcyon cobalt]

that’s because the main PoT chat is full of DWEEBS

[balmy oyster]

Main POT chat is just people complaining about the game ngl

[charred hearth]

not including horrible sizing and thal and kai, whats the most inaccurate pot creature?

[twin lava]

is this a flashback to aussie v stego? (ifykyk

guys i have a question: can we ask questions?

me when the questions ask questions

[frigid delta]

https://youtu.be/6myQDQS0tNk?si=FNSzBkJlYP7af_Ue
bet we’re probably still wrong again on several points bcuz, well... that’s how science works

[warped peak]

Metri or Sarco

[charred hearth]

sarco? really? huh i never would've guessed sarco

[noble dune]

I think the snout mainly along with some proportions

[balmy oyster]

Thalasso being a fish eater, and the plesiosaur having lips

[charred hearth]

how do you mention the only two creatures i said not too 💔

[hardy sentinel]

Probably Hatz

Azhdarchid necks did NOT bend like that

[noble dune]

The wings too are quite bendy and rubber hose looking

[balmy oyster]

I might be blind

[charred hearth]

its okay, io have those moments too,

[cursive musk]

Okay guys i need to know, is this a paleo-accurate raptor? my small brain can’t tell the difference. Just for anatomy purposes.

[charred hearth]

the magical 8 ball says perhaps

[lofty creek]

iguaodon
the tlc model is good
but why running on all 4 legs

[lofty creek]

hatz need a whole gesture recorrection

and a thicker neck

[hardy sentinel]

"Gesture" 🥀🥀💔

[hardy sentinel]

It's still debated how Iguanodontids ran, there's a theory out there that they would have walked bipedally and ran quadrupedally similar to the Hadrosaurs

It's just a theory rn, but as of rn iggy in game is pretty accurate

[thorn grove]

Hadrosaur locomotion is hardly definitive either, they probably mixed it up in a huge swathe of different situations

[zealous ravine]

I’d say Metri but at the same time we maybe don’t have enough of Metri to say that for sure. Alio has always seemed off to me but I need to take a closer look at it

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-this-whats-happening-gif-14760168

[severe yew]

well, this is what happens whenever someone decides to describe a dinosaur with only 2 or 3 bones

honestly, it is my opinion that it should be prohibited to fully describe a fossil unless at least 80 % of its skeleton had been already discovered

[lavish frigate]

Guys does this mean we can make all material less than 80% complete junior synonyms of Troodon for the funny

[halcyon cobalt]

there would be like 5 large sauropods species

[balmy oyster]

Goodbye 80% of named dinosaur species then.

[severe yew]

damn, that bad? lol 😬

[halcyon cobalt]

@severe yew if you have a problem with what I said then say it to me

[pastel yarrow]

https://youtu.be/cg5skhUStRI?si=cB983LJwNzQV885T
Jumpscare

[severe yew]

i have seen skeletals with like 1, 2, 3 bones, with fully described dinos

like, come one bruv...

[balmy oyster]

You’d be surprised by how rarely animals preserve well, let alone to leave any skeletal material

Albeit some that are incomplete (“under 80% complete”) do have well preserved material even if minimal. Sometimes it’s less about how much material something has, and instead either has a good amount for something to be based off of or can be distinguished by locality and/or morphology

[severe yew]

i know that and i get it, but bro, just because 1 bone was founds, really? lmao

that is why a few decades later so many things are wrong and so many changes with certain dinos, take spino since its discovery for example

.
i mean, at least there should be a certain minimum or something 🤷

[balmy oyster]

To be fair it does also depend on the bone and the quality of it

A complete well preserved femur or dorsal vertebrae from a different locality will have a better chance of distinction than a random half broken chevron that resembles another 3 things that lived in the same formation

[halcyon cobalt]

The minimum is being distinct enough to everything else

[opaque kayak]

technically there are some extinct baleen whales which are bigger, and apparently shasta wasn't a filter feeder but it was toothless 🤷

[opaque kayak]

80 percent is a crazy number, there would be no more spinosaurids and megaraptorans, and like maybe 1-2 carchs ever named

[balmy oyster]

Surprisingly there would most likely be more than you’d think, both from overall pretty complete specimens & potentially seeing some as distinct that we currently have swept under the rug or haven’t considered yet

[opaque kayak]

huh, but is there even a spinosaurid/carch which isn't concavenator and maybe acro over 80 percent complete?

[balmy oyster]

Neovenator was pretty complete but thinking about it maybe no “80%” complete

As for acro…might be less complete than you’d think. Turns out there might be more squished into one.

[opaque kayak]

Apparently there is 70 percent from the holotype of neovenator, but wdym by " Turns out there might be more squished into one." for acro HMMMMM

(I am in extreme fear is acro a wastebasket)

[balmy oyster]

Basically:

• fran (bottom) is argued that it is possible for distinction due to differing skull morphology from the holotype.
• twin mountains specimen (second), there is a lot that can be argued for distinction butttt it seems two small characters (“pattern and placement” of fossae & foramina on the vertebrae being pretty similar to one another) it’s ilegible to be considered distinct….

they are definitely pretty similar but you can’t tell me these are the same species neural spine & overall vertebrae morphology should be looked into here with this

I get ceratopsian lumping, only skulls are described and those can go through all sorts of taphonomic and individual variation nightmares…but we got good postcranial overlap & different localities here!!!

(Left is of the holotype specimen, right is twin mountains acro specimen. afaik photographs of the original material aren’t accessible and only illustrations exist.)

impending doom

[sullen cairn]

they mention multiple other shared characters like immediately before foramina/fossa stuff

[balmy oyster]

I will blow up

Do you know what they were? If not I could probably go check rq

[balmy oyster]

I…huh??

I’m definitely missing something here because to me it seems like they’re comparing a square to a rhombus when it’s really a square to a long rectangle

[sullen cairn]

the pointy bit here

[balmy oyster]

Genuinely at a loss of words as to how someone, let alone more than one person, could come up with this argument.

From what I understand, it was stated that these two specimens are a case of “individual variation”…because of a certain pointy bit on the tip of the neural spines? I get the fossae and foramina argument but this is an absolute leap!

So do we just ignore that the neural spines in no way resemble each other whatsoever other than superficially? This is a bigger difference than the holotype & neotype spinosaurus specimen

Good lord man whoever wrote this paper would absolutely destroy spino splitters LOL I aspire to have this kind of reasoning

Tbf at least it isn’t what GSP did…or what I’m kind of doing ngl. Facts and logic with countless research always will look better no matter the contents compared to “well I used my eyes and they looked different enough!”

[sullen cairn]

i think the point was that beyond gross neural spine shape they agree in morphology

[balmy oyster]

I’m sorry for giving you a hard time table 😭 maybe the pieces will snap into place in the near future and I’ll realise I was a Buffoon but I legitimately see minimal connection other than superficial similarity

[hallow spear]

realistically morphology is all that matters, superficial differences rarely matter

[balmy oyster]

And even then the anterior cervicals begin looking completely alien to one another so unless it was a sister species to styracosaurus it would need absolute brain twisting to get it to make sense kinda like this paper ngl

[hallow spear]

Fishy you’re reminding me of GSP

[sullen cairn]

tbf rex neural arch shape doesnt seem particularly well constraine and i wish i had another example of a theropod with well figured cerical series to compare with

[hallow spear]

This is also the case in stegosaurus and allosaurus btw

[balmy oyster]

Even when compared to the twin mountain specimen & holotype it’s not as extreme, since while visually they do look slightly different they are unironically also very similar morphology, with same neural spine progression from posterior to anterior and everything

[hallow spear]

We should move servers I hate the cooldown

[balmy oyster]

We also know Rex, trike and edmonto had immensely more formation overlap (and overall timeframe occupancy, Rex lived for a hella long time) compared to all other dinosaurs especially compared to what we know of carcha’s (there’s 3 carcha’s within the same formation that occupy different stratigraphy)

ALLOSAUROIDEA INDET. JUMPSCARE!!!!!!!!!

[outer tusk]

I used that skull for Siamotyrannus

[halcyon cobalt]

ploh

[outer tusk]

Avimimus

[hardy sentinel]

Nemegt formation and it's goofy critters my beloved

[hardy sentinel]

That looks suspiciously like Yutyrannus

[outer tusk]

true

[hardy sentinel]

Wasn't Yutyrannus at one point called an Allosauroid?

[outer tusk]

I wouldn't be suprise since even now Blame ( the person who did the skulls for all 3 yutyrannus speicmens ) does note that the adult speicmen looks oddly similar to that of allosaurus

[undone rapids]

Its a Pro"Ceratosaur"id Tyrannosauroid that looks like an Allosaurus

[hardy sentinel]

Are these all the Yutyrannus specimens? Does this imply that the crests were most likely display features due to them growing and reshaping?

Or did we not get the skull material of all 3 and that part is just speculation?

[sudden wind]

I hate you cause I don't know where you continued this convo

[halcyon cobalt]

moved to the nether realms

[opaque kayak]

I'm going to name the new species Acrocanthospinus aegyptokensis

[outer tusk]

we quite literally have an entrie skeletons of these guys

[wind prairie]

tbh what else would they be

[white matrix]

BRO WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE

[faint dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-smart-so-many-genius-this-server-has-so-many-geniuses-gif-17960640212511392691

[brave nova]

All wrong. It’s obviously 20 tons

[stray saddle]

Everyone don't forget that even if T Rex had smaller arms than yours he could carry more than 400 pounds in each 🤓 which it's almost 200 kilograms

[deft pasture]

I'm curious are there any employed paleontologists within this community?

[halcyon cobalt]

employed people? In this discord server?

[charred hearth]

filter feeding spinosaurid send tweet

[bronze escarp]

Im just reading along lol I feel what tigrineiwoin said 😭😭

[jagged dew]

[hallow spear]

ill invite you if youd like

[sudden wind]

Sure

[tough parcel]

Wow ok I see how it is bucko

[sudden wind]

🤭

[hallow spear]

im pretty sure you're already in it 💔

[tough parcel]

Which one!!!!!!!

[charred hearth]

what age would you guys say sauropods were able to start living without any real danger of predatation? ( i guess this is also a way of me asking how long it took a sauropod to grow to the sizes they got )

[ashen wedge]

The answer is 8tons

[ashen wedge]

When they grew into adulthood

[undone rapids]

That depends on the sauropod and what they lived with, for alot it'd basically be never cuz big predators

[charred hearth]

@balmy oyster you mentioned

bro the giant iguanadontid being 3 / 4th biggest in the formation is crazy

[undone rapids]

So True, sadly its a Footprint

[white matrix]

I wonder how many sauropod species would be invalid if we found articulated skeletons

[wind prairie]

bro I can't with these people

[white matrix]

@lofty creek any updates on that complete sinotyrannus skull?

[fluid inlet]

Mongolian titan victim

[static dune]

Saw some old friends today at the museum

[zealous ravine]

WIP

[stark roost]

Is there any good paleoart with dinosaurs that have dewlaps not like jp dilo frill, like a dewlap like an iguanas

[high roost]

When is the micro raptor coming?:(

[wary heath]

Are we allowed to talk about JWR here or no

[ashen wedge]

So you were friends with prehistoric animals and didn’t tell us

[static dune]

:)

[high roost]

[zealous ravine]

Finished

Alt ver

[plush fossil]

No ETA iirc and also wrong chat? I'm not sure if you mean by pot microraptor or something else but if it's pot you should ask in #path-of-titans

[severe yew]

what museum?

[static dune]

The American Museum of Natural History in NYC. We're visiting my sister here

[severe yew]

last time we did, most comments got deleted amd then we got a warning

they seem to be sensitive about other dino movies and stuff

[severe yew]

oh, that one is great one 🔥

[static dune]

It's incredible!

[severe yew]

yea

have you visited yhe Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pennsylvania?

or the Field Museum in Chicago?

also great ones

[static dune]

I've been to the Field Museum. I live in Ohio so neither of them is too far away. I love museums

[ashen wedge]

Not to lie, I’m in the area and maybe later I visit the old pals of yours

[static dune]

Do it! 4th floor. Open from 10 am to 5:30 pm

[ashen wedge]

I’ve been there so many times of when I was a youngling

[stark roost]

I think we can tell it’s not dilophosaurus 💔

[static dune]

But this is!!

[zealous ravine]

That’s not a bad skull! Tho it should prolly say replica, not cast, cause I believe it’s impossible to cast the Dilo material without damaging it lol

[frigid delta]

how accurate is Zesk's Anzu?

[severe yew]

same

[static dune]

The sigh does say cast. Still it was super cool to see

[zealous ravine]

Oh yeah I meant the sign shouldnt say cast lol

[static dune]

Lol

[ionic marsh]

What's the likely-ness of hadrosaurs having horizontal pupils

[stray saddle]

I love this sauropod

[ashen wedge]

I would say 50/50, as it’s hard to tell pupil shape when it’s far gone

[ionic marsh]

I mean compared to the herbivores of today that have horizontal pupils they only have them because of their behaviors as typically grazing animals and if hadrosaurs are anything like them I'd say it's likely but with no way of directly knowing behaviors of extinct animals is hard unless you can definitely say most hadrosaurs are grazing animals

[light osprey]

Grazing is just when an animal primarily eats low lying vegetation

[ionic marsh]

No way

[thorn grove]

hadrosaur diet almost certainly depends on the species since their jaw morphology is quite variable

[charred hearth]

would there any locamotive differences between iguanadontids like iguanadon and ouranosaurus and that of hadrosaurs like corythosaurus or edmonto?

[ionic marsh]

I was gonna add that in my response but I thought it would be to long lol

[lofty creek]

the complete KZV-001

[thorn grove]

iguanodontidae is basically dead

iguanodon itself was bulkier with larger forelimbs than most hadrosaurs, so that would imply locomotory differences

[charred hearth]

what happened to iguanadontidae?

[thorn grove]

not monophyletic anymore

[balmy oyster]

Iguanadon is before before Hadrosauroidea & what people usually think of “Iguanodontidae” is styracosterna or similar

[charred hearth]

so what does iguanadon count as now?

[balmy oyster]

Usually either right before or most basal in hadrosauriformes

[charred hearth]

and ourano counts as styracosterna?

[balmy oyster]

It also depends since it’s also outside as a styracostern but sometimes it’s also within hadrosauriformes

[thorn grove]

i think ourano is also a very basal hadrosauriforme but i could be misremembering

regardless hadrosauriformes are a subgroup in styracosterna so it's part of that either way

[charred hearth]

like potentially walking and running quad instead biped in most cases?

[fossil dawn]

What kind of carcharodontosauridae does it looks like
-# i was trying to draw a carchar tho..

[fluid inlet]

Giga

[fossil dawn]

Ikr bro it’s lowk hard to catch their difference