paleontology

[hardy sentinel]

I mean, extremely low chances but what if two dinos are getting freaky and a landslide happens and rapidly buries them before they can react

[tough parcel]

Then unless they're superglued to each other, the kinetic energy of the landslide is gonna pull them apart

[hardy sentinel]

We've found preserved turtles in the act, so it's possible for dinosaurs

[tough parcel]

It's easier to bury two turtles than two very large dinosaurs

[wet sedge]

Who would win spinosurus or carcadontsurus (I butcherd the name.)

[manic grail]

I hate to say it but carcharodontosaurus would win probably

[wet sedge]

No glaze but couldn't them claws just rip and tear it's throat and face

[zealous ravine]

I suspect they may have had reasons of doing the skull the way they did but I plan on reaching out to get more info

[tough parcel]

It's not even the skull 🥀 it's the whole body

[rancid dove]

by darius nau,what do you think 🤔

[compact leaf]

is the paper skeletal scaled wrong or does it just look bigger because you fixed proportions

[tough parcel]

The paper skeletal just funky, it seems

[white matrix]

onloy way is if there was a mudslide
"these two dinosaurs were found buried together, must've been fighting over territory"

[manic grail]

A good hit could hurt much but hitting the throat or face isnt that easy. Also carch could bite its long neck

[wet sedge]

Fairs

[rancid dove]

The two estimated sizes: 16.4 m and 24.3 m, probably for comparison with other species or previous estimates (such as those of Megalodon)

[manic grail]

Also yes glaze lol. Spino is awesome. My favourite animal

[wet sedge]

I really like the claws they have many uses but most are just speculation

[white matrix]

so what is Chingkankousaurus now?

[rancid dove]

Or maybe it's me who misunderstood his graph

[manic grail]

I hope they find its claws and arms

[rancid dove]

From what I saw, they only have a piece of the specimen's arm

[white matrix]

you got pictures?

[wet sedge]

I believe they have fragments of the claws

[rancid dove]

Unfortunately, only a partial right humerus fossil exists, and no clear photos are publicly available

[white matrix]

"trex couldn't run, it would've broke its legs!" me being able to stand on the tip of my toes

[hallow spear]

are you 10 tons? no.
Regardless rex cant "run" for other reasons

[stiff osprey]

how do you know they aren't 10 tons

[white matrix]

how do you know im not 600% bigger than the average human?

[hallow spear]

i was told in a dream that Insatiabilis isnt 10 tons

[tough parcel]

Interesting...

[hardy sentinel]

What would yall say are the top 3 most important dinosaur genera to science? I'd say #1 is deffo Deinonychus because of how it changed the way we see dinosaurs

[stiff osprey]

the comment is especially funny because as it is a digitigrade animal tyrannosaurus is standing on the tips of its toes 24/7

[white matrix]

the amount of destroyed tarbosaurus bones destroyed from poaching 💔

[hardy sentinel]

And the bones that survived are sold as Tyrannosaurus bones 🥀🥀

[white matrix]

I meant the literal tips and also they had fleshy pads no?

probably got a nearly complete skeleton sitting in some rich old man's mansion labeled "trex"

[stiff osprey]

when a human stands or walks on just its toes that's called tippy toeing, so it works

[white matrix]

idk thats usually on 2-3 digits

[hardy sentinel]

Any Paleontologist or enthusiast that visits is instantly shot if they say it's a Tarbosaurus

[stiff osprey]

well if you're going to be serious about it then i'm going to have to inform you that stego is correct and you don't actually weigh 10 tons

[white matrix]

"actually thats a tarbosaurus"
"noononono, grrrr its the king of the dinosaurs!"

[hardy sentinel]

"that doesn't look like Argentinosaurus or that bruh one to me"

[white matrix]

"yeah I found a argentinosaurus skull in the mines at work the other day but didn't want to tell anyone, scared the government will take it from me"

[stiff osprey]

the tyrannosaurus is not king of the dinosaurs because it was the largest, it's because it had the sigma grindset

[hardy sentinel]

I think the dinosaur with the sigma grindset is the Emu ngl, they seem locked in

[white matrix]

and all of its prey aura farms...
trike, edmont, anky and that other dude

[hardy sentinel]

Torosaurus and Denversaurus punching the ground rn

[white matrix]

those are the other dudes

[hardy sentinel]

Y'all think Rexes would have eaten basically everything in the hell creek depending on the age? Assuming Dakotaraptor and Nanotyrannus are invalid ofc

[white matrix]

I think it would've preyed on everything, I mean theres evidence of it
doubt they did it alone tho
most of its prey would've formed herds

[hardy sentinel]

Poor everything that had to live with Rex, because no matter the size they were possibly cooked. Even bugs depending on how hungry a hatchling was

[white matrix]

so did baby tarbo actually have feathers?

[thorn grove]

edmusthosaurus was immune ofc

[hardy sentinel]

Most Tyrannosaurs probably did when they were younger

Wish we had juvenile specimens with skin impressions from any Tyrannosaurid

[sinful trench]

Bringing up the quadraped spinosaurus again because- I can't stop thinking it's the next logical step

[hardy sentinel]

Quadruped Spino got debunked when we found the tail and found it's center of mass

[balmy oyster]

Do we all remember when someone tried to argue spino’s tail would’ve been fatter than its torso and it couldn’t swim because of it & it had to drag the tail around everywhere

[sinful trench]

Any source on that? Because using the tail as a paddle doesn't necessarily debunk it being a quadraped. Could've dragged its tail

[balmy oyster]

We live in an era where taildragging in archosaurs is more dated than the births of millions of people.

[tough parcel]

We actually live in an era that has forgotten about the tail-dragging spinosaur tracks

But also it's not just the tail and CoG but assuming that Ibrahim didn't color in his skeletal based off vibes, we do seemingly have a finger bone of the Spinosaurus that indicates a not-robust quality to it

[stiff osprey]

but whether it was bipedal or quadrupedal has nothing to do with it dragging its tail

if anything bipedal Spinosaurus would be more likely to drag its tail, since it has to tilt the body upwards to balance

[sinful trench]

Let's just hope maybe they're missing some bones and we get the JP3 spino back and dominate the theropods again- And rando, think about modern lizards (and yes I understand lizards aren't decedents of dinos but they drag their tails despite being quadrapeds)

[manic grail]

Tail dragging spino would spin behind a sauropod to hit its legs and make it fall and kill and eat it

[sinful trench]

With how short the legs of spino are shown to be, and how long and heavy the tail was, and especially because we don't have the forelimbs of spino, it's entirely possible

[lofty creek]

the paper skeletion is correct
this pic enlarge the body

[hallow spear]

it is not correct the skeletal rescales the material and finds the paper skeletal to be wrong

[lofty creek]

but why the pic had less material than the original? the pubic and some dorsal vertebrae disappeared in this pic while the original one had them

[tough parcel]

It's the exact same material lmao

[lofty creek]

the pubic lost, 2 more vertebrae lost, and some hindlimb bones

[tough parcel]

That's because there's two specimens that had little to no overlap, meaning he could not scale it to each other properly

[balmy oyster]

I thought the reason was because some of the material was missing from the description

[tough parcel]

Both actually!

[outer tusk]

Regardless the paper skeletal looks dumb!

[balmy oyster]

how fun…

[charred hearth]

weird question but what would be the most flexible dinosaur? in any catagorey really, because i know stegosaurids ( or atleast stegosaurus ) have the most flexible tails in the animal kingdom i believe

[hardy sentinel]

They got to bro already 💔💔🥀🥀

[fossil ingot]

Peak Formation

And My Boi Eocarcharia you are missed

[charred hearth]

" can a regular sized rex survive in the cretaceous " i wonder

[tough parcel]

Assuming she isn't adjusted for realism or w/e, she'd be perfectly fine as a super-charged Albertosaurus in terms of niche

[hardy sentinel]

Rexy is only around 5 tons (according to the book). She's on the smaller end of Tyrannosaurus specimens as well as having exposed teeth. Plus she's never won a fight against an animal of equal size alone aside from a Tarbosaurus. She ain't surviving for more than a week

[cobalt heath]

On the websites im pretty sure it states she’s like 8-9 tons

[hardy sentinel]

What websites? The ones I'm finding are leading to ticket sales for the new movie. The book is the only place I've seen where we get her weight

If you got an official wiki or something that would help but I'm under the impression she is a smaller Tyrannosaurus

[cobalt heath]

There used to be websites with the status of all the dinos but idk if they still up, like right after the first world movie there was one but I think it got taken down

[hardy sentinel]

The Jurassic franchise is so weird, apparently during some ride Owen states Rexy is 30,000 pounds (15 Tons)

So either Rexy dominates the hell creek for a few months before starving to death because her teeth cracked and fell out or she dies a week in because she is a small individual

[cobalt heath]

In a jurassic world game website on paleo.gg it says she’s weighs 8.4 tons in the facts description

[hardy sentinel]

15 Tons, 8.4 tons, or 5 tons

Jurassic Park/World moment

[stiff osprey]

"she dies a week in because she is a small individual"

Confirmed Tyrannosaurus were all born fully grown or else they'd die in a week

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but the small ones could still be fast because of proportions, Rexy still has adult proportions and probably couldn't run as fast as the young ones that weighed as much as her

[tough parcel]

Didn't Hammond say she was hitting 30+ k/h in the first movie

[charred hearth]

lowkey she just probably just live off of hunting injured or not fully grow trikes, toros and edmontos if she really had too

[hardy sentinel]

18 mph (30k/h) isn't as fast as you gotta be to catch prey that sub-adult Tyrannosaurus were hunting, and definitely too small to be fighting the bigger herbivores

[tough parcel]

Consider that she fought and won against Triceratops in the park

[hardy sentinel]

Where? If it's in the books then that makes sense because I haven't finished it yet

[charred hearth]

the telltale game i believe?

[cobalt heath]

32 mph not kph

[manic grail]

Thats pretty fast then

[cobalt heath]

“Based on available information, there is one confirmed instance of Rexy defeating a Triceratops in the Jurassic Park franchise:
In the Telltale Game, Rexy beat Lady Margaret, a giant Triceratops alpha, in a one-on-one fight.”

[hardy sentinel]

They aren't exactly canon, and the cloned Triceratops don't equal up to their real life counterparts in the real hell creek

Also 90% of herbivores in JP are canon fodder

[thorn grove]

jp herbivores always look so goofy lol

[charred hearth]

also its implied rexy and the trike went even, neither of them dying

[tough parcel]

Was it? P sure the reveal cutscene is Lady Margaret lost a horn and Rexy (eventually?) killed her

[charred hearth]

idk im just reading the wiki

[tough parcel]

I feel like this is a pretty even match and despite your claim of "cannon fodder", she put up a real decent fight to the point that I would agree with the previous statement that it was a stalemate

As well as the fact that the image you yourself sent isn't exactly disproving that the JP Trikes are particularly weak or diminuitive compared to their IRL counterpart

[hardy sentinel]

Against a JP herbivore, sure Rexy goes wild (They are all fodder) but against a real Triceratops that we have proof would ambush or be able to get around a Tyrannosaurus in a fight (I think there is a fossil with a Triceratops horn shaped hole in the back of the leg of a Rex), Rexy is cooked

Lemme find the fossil of it rq

[charred hearth]

" we have proof would ambush or be able to get around a tyrannosaurus " what do you mean ambush, why were trikes ambushing rex's, what if they were the REAL apexes

[tough parcel]

I don't like this wiki simply because it tries to inject deductive reasoning into the actions of a creature antagonist

Sure, it might be valid but it could also be just as valid that the game devs wanted to use Rexy more

[cobalt heath]

I just watched that fight and Rexy whooped it bad

[charred hearth]

who's the better apex y'all, camarasaurus or trike?

[hardy sentinel]

Herbivores actively sometimes seek out carnivores and jump them, look at hippos and elephants with a bad attitude

I may have been misinformed because I ain't finding it but gimme a minute to dig

[charred hearth]

arent hippos just extremely terroritory and dont elephants usually
1 - have a reason
or
2 - are in musth ( did i spell it right? )

[tough parcel]

I think most people completely forget that in these instances, the carnivore is outweighed by the herbivore by a factor of 20, a size difference the real Triceratops did not have on T. rex

As for the fossil, it does exist but it simply indicates Trike fought back, you cannot really deduce anything else lol

[charred hearth]

i dont feel safe getting stared at by a ed with lipstick , its scary.

[cobalt heath]

Real trikes would on average be lighter than jp ones most likely being 8-9 tons on average while jp is 10

[hardy sentinel]

But wouldn't the Trike horn hole being in the back of the leg or whatever be evidence that Trikes were still decently agile in fights? My point ain't that a Trike would win against a Rex because that's a whole other argument, my point is that Rexy isn't winning against a real Trike

[charred hearth]

i thought average trikes were like 6 - 8 tons...

[tough parcel]

Ohhh @stiff osprey your favorite topic (dinosaur sizes!! 🤗 )

Last I saw, 8-9 tons as a Triceratops would be a monstrous individual, not the average

[cobalt heath]

Yeah but the weight estimates are 6-12 tons so I went in the middle

[hardy sentinel]

When estimating weight you go with the average individuals, not the middle of the normal and the biggest

[tough parcel]

I mean it doesn't help or hurt your argument

All it shows is the Trike could fight back against a rex that was likely moving, might've made a wrong turn (inexperience?) and got poked

Rexy could also move as they are a living animal

[charred hearth]

speaking of averages, would the average shant be like 12 - 14 tons? or am i too low/high?

[cobalt heath]

12-20

[charred hearth]

it has that big of a gap for averages?

[tough parcel]

This might help you

[cobalt heath]

Looks like almost 10-almost 14 to me

[manic grail]

Its 10000 tons not kg

[cobalt heath]

I read it wrong, it says some estimates are 12-20 but estimated average is 16 so idk

[hardy sentinel]

What would y'all rather eat: Ankylosaurus, Triceratops, or Edmontosaurus?

[charred hearth]

denversaurus

[cobalt heath]

Edmontosaurus

[manic grail]

Triceratops because i would keep its cool skull

[charred hearth]

what if its cool skull kept you instead?

[cobalt heath]

Is the scenario like a restaurant or you hunt it

[charred hearth]

would any ceratopsians have horns that i guess you could say get locked/ stucked together like some modern elk do which results in their death?

[cobalt heath]

I wouldn’t think so sense its really just kinda straight and smooth

[hardy sentinel]

Restaurant, but they are wild hunted and not farmed by some random employee who doesn't get paid enough

[cobalt heath]

Than probably ed

[thorn grove]

Shantungosaurus in the Kogou quarry average about 11 tons, the material from the Longgujian is larger and afaik taphonomic assessments indicate it's not size sorted or anything but there's not that many individuals so it's not really definitively indicative of anything

[charred hearth]

perchance

[hardy sentinel]

I'd probably go for Ankylosaurus because that would be so muscly from carrying around all that armor

[cobalt heath]

How would they get them locked? One would have to be upside down

[manic grail]

Wouldnt that make its meat hard

[charred hearth]

when you love someone, youdont let them go

[cobalt heath]

If it was hunting than anky so I could keep its club

[hardy sentinel]

Not really, muscular muscle is good eating and really juicy

[thorn grove]

is "muscular muscle" a thing

[cobalt heath]

I think it would be like elk but a little firmer

[hardy sentinel]

Probably not

[cobalt heath]

[manic grail]

Oh. I thought muscle meat is hard and chewy because of the thick muscle fibers

[charred hearth]

if these two creatures were the same size, who would be more durable

ankylosaurus or Doedicurus ?

[thorn grove]

aren't a lot of cattle breeds particularly muscular cuz it tastes better or something

[hardy sentinel]

Depends on who is consuming it

I personally like really muscular meat because it takes longer to chew and allows more juices to seep out. It gets better with every bite

[outer tusk]

what did I miss

[cobalt heath]

Nothin much

[wind prairie]

very bad take

[sudden wind]

We do : Albertosaurus, Gorgosaurus and Tyrannosaurus have skin impressions.

[white matrix]

and tarbo

[hardy sentinel]

From juvenile individuals? If so please provide the specimen names

[tacit pulsar]

Why are you on you goober

[hardy sentinel]

Insomnia, why are you in the Paleontology chat? You're never here

[tacit pulsar]

Uhhhhh yes :> also go look in Dino screenshots

[placid palm]

Hey everyone I'm new to this discord and I had a question, is it true that Alderon will never add dinosaurs from community servers to officials?

[hardy sentinel]

Alderon won't add modded dinos from a mod maker, but they might add their own version of the dino

We don't know much of the roster so Idk what is even planned

[placid palm]

Ohhh okay thank you for clearing that up

[frigid delta]

i am forever a T. Rex fan idc what y'all say to them

[placid palm]

Does anyone know if the next update will just be a TLC or if it'll be a rework of any map?

[opaque kayak]

Bro what could we say to them? Eat your daily edmonto to grow big? 💀

[serene moat]

Anky (I like it better)

[halcyon cobalt]

The woke carcharodontosaur agenda is trying to take away our tyrannosaurus permits

[manic grail]

I think the mods dont like fatty meat as well lol. Why did my message get deleted

[hazy flint]

Reminder to stay on topic, thank you.

[manic grail]

Sure bro

[sudden wind]

Oh I thought you meant in general. My bad then, no.

[sudden wind]

Unironically, I prefer the one to the right

[tulip gyro]

Where did u get the php model from

[frigid delta]

SketchFab

[scenic flame]

erm, you're not immortal

[river plinth]

Lurdusaurus my beloved

[river plinth]

Yeah alot of people don't know after the third movie they breed all there herbivores to be EXTREMELY Weak to huttel them down in petting zoos for jurassic world (gess they didn't like a parasaurolophus tossing there men like nothing)

[river plinth]

I thought trike survived that fight but lost a horn?

[sudden wind]

Thank you reminding me this too

[snow python]

How big is the biggest Tarbo we have

[sudden wind]

11 meters or so for like 5 tons iirc

[fossil ingot]

Rexy is 8.4t/8400kgs

[fossil ingot]

10.94m 5.39t

[fossil ingot]

And idk why you Call JP Herbi's Fodder.
I would normally Explain more but.

1. Nerdy Powerscaling is to Nerdy
2. its Paleo Chat

Her "exposed" Teeth aren't even a disadvantage

[fossil ingot]

Thats like.
Not True at all lol

[hardy sentinel]

Her exposed teeth are prone to breakage after a while because they aren't kept moist, also the argument stemmed from a Paleontology video that we were discussing at the time so I was on the theme of paleo chat

When someone brought up that Rexy killed a Trike it's important to point out that Rexy is a main character and the herbivores are often fodder for the plot, so the Triceratops point wasn't a good one for the person to make

I wasn't dino power scaling, I was pointing out how a point doesn't work

[opaque kayak]

TBH iirc jp series had 6 apatos instakilled by indom

[brittle monolith]

Does the latenaveatrix brain discovery mean It's the most intelligent dinosaur?

Bruh Google still says the Troodon

[jagged trellis]

(brain size does not exactly mean more intelligent, let alone intelligence being a web vs a line save full specializing, even then)

[brittle monolith]

So it's ike in modern birds you can't tell the intelligence with the brain size

[jagged trellis]

yeah, that and specializing

heck we went from thinking only man could think willingly to knowing crabs do so

[white matrix]

troodon and latenivenatrix are the same thing, its a synonym of it if I remember correctly

[brittle monolith]

Uh... really?

[jagged trellis]

there was a whole debate on merging, p sure only sten remains the name and the others became invalid, i do not have the papers for that though so someone do....do that

[brittle monolith]

Oh thats the reason Troodon is back?

[stiff osprey]

even if latenavenatrix is distinct, it and troodon (or stenonycho) are basically identical anyway

if one is unusually smart for a dinosaur so is the other

[undone rapids]

Lies, Latenavenatrix was bad at math and Troodon was bad at Chemistry

[brittle monolith]

Is it looking good?

[drifting arch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dinosaurs/comments/1l8ytf2/new_dinosaur_just_dropped/ saw this article on apparently a new tyrannosaurid being discovered. It bears some resemblance to Alioramus. Are they within the same family?

[fossil ingot]

Same Indom that was effortesly Breaking through Solid Beam of Steel and Took down a Massive Tower

[fossil ingot]

You would had to prove they would break tho, Rexy has shown no evidence to her teeth breaking throught all her appearances

Your Point of Herbivores been "weak" isn't a Good One either
Rexy's "Plot Armor" is also not a Argument that should be use to downplay the Herb's in the Verse, Specially Trike's and Anky's

[zealous ravine]

Nope: this one is a lot more primitive. The paper describing it actually found Alioramus to be closely related to Rex and Tarbo

[white matrix]

PEAK
I guess you could say alio started hitting the gym😎

[zealous ravine]

Other way around rlly, Alio’s ancestors shrunk lol

[snow python]

Is silesaurus a dinosaur?

[lament pond]

With new info
Is acro now considered heavier than giga
Someone told me this was the case so figured to may as well ask here

[thorn grove]

No

[lament pond]

Makes sense, thanks

[stiff osprey]

According to most recent phylogenies, yes

[plush fossil]

Would any dinosaurs have been able to mimic sounds like some modern day birds?

[tough parcel]

Unknown

[plush fossil]

Sorry I just realised that is such a stupid question😭😭I remembered that we don't really know much about how they sound iirc😭

[charred hearth]

would any of rex's usual prey be faster then it? the only i can really see is edmonto

[river plinth]

Yes they were if that weren't the case they wouldn't be having trikes in petting zoos cause in the original trilogy they were inclosed just like the carnivores and apatosaurus getting a intier herd wiped that generation of specimens were made to be less aggressive than the jurassic Park originally made ones

[undone rapids]

Yeah just smaller edmontos probably

[charred hearth]

werent the ones in the petting zoos babys?

[river plinth]

Mostly the hadrosaurs that weren't Uber big like edmontosaurus (at there max size)

[river plinth]

No there were some like stego and parasaurolophus

[hardy sentinel]

What makes a Dromeosaurid a Dromeosaurid? It sure ain't the sickle claw because most Paravians had it, and it ain't body shape because Halskaraptor is a dromeosaurid

[manic grail]

Which dinosaur took a dump at 4AM in a tuesday

[hardy sentinel]

Bird

[fossil dawn]

It might be lowk random to say this but after watching wwd2 clips, just wanted to hear you guys’ ideas.

If carchar and spino had fought, what would be each dino’s genuine percentage of win rate?

-# i remember having a whole debate abt ts like years ago lmao

[jagged trellis]

win as in harm or win as in get away safely and or spook off

[twin lava]

bro was saying the rex was a primary scavenger, like ONLY a scavenger and they said this.. "Why have the best smell and some of the best eyesight of the dinosaur world if not to find corpses/bones?" Like I dont know, maybe for HUNTING?

then I told them to read this and they pointed out that it said scavenger on the title... So they never read it.

this is WILD to me.

I wouldnt consider up to 25mph slow 💀

[jagged trellis]

especially with viable prey slower than that save ed lmao

[limpid flare]

Res were know to fight other Rex’s and trikes based on they’re bones

[river plinth]

Probably Argentinosaurus

[mossy patrol]

if T. rex was a scavenger, then why did PoT remove its Scavenger diet with its TLC? case closed

(not agreeing that T. rex was only a scavenger. obviously it wasn't.)

[tough parcel]

I wouldn't respond to this, just anyone thinking of it

The screenshot guy was clearly pranking YFNA but they didn't realize that so they were very adamantly arguing against a prank

[twin lava]

Nah I was just going along with it lmao.

[tough parcel]

Oh yea totally

Then why'd you post it here like they were serious 💔

[twin lava]

because I thought it was funny…

[tulip dove]

We all know that the hell creek dromaeosaurid was taking down healthy adult Triceratops, Ankylosaurus and Edmontosaurus
The cunning raptors outsmart the dumb herbivores....

[tough parcel]

The Dromaeosaurus hand signals

[white matrix]

chat is goliath or just a large trex in generally bigger then rexy or like taller or som🗣️

[white matrix]

"cough couch couldnt bite through the gyrosphere fully which other REAL megatherapods could do besides spino"

also why powerscale jurassic world lmao it isnt ment for powerscaling its deadass ment for making the viewers be entertained and engaged with the film

[jagged trellis]

rexy gets to small city level technically guys!!!!

[white matrix]

somehow a powerscaler can get rexy there istg using some unknown scientific method used in 3rd grade science

[stiff osprey]

In Fallen Kingdom it's shown that the apatosaurs can run at high speeds. Despite this, in JW the apatosaurs all died standing right next to each other. This means that Indominus has the power to alter reality so that its prey becomes unable to run away, and is therefore multiversal level

this is what people sound like using ''feats'' from different badly written fiction to show that the dinosaur in a badly written fictional media is stronger than real life animals

[sterile trail]

I despise powerscalers

[white matrix]

Someone said blue could take down Scotty in one post because blue injured the indominus which has a “hide that trex can’t peirce”

[lone wraith]

How realistic is my Dino skulls?

[jagged trellis]

erhm you see, 1 random carno survived a city level explosion( barely) and we see rexy no diff a carno several times, therefor: city level!!!!

[charred hearth]

you cant really say because all you do is draw the skeletons

[jagged trellis]

its either peak like lobsters or not peak like jw

[jagged trellis]

island level because its just enough to stop the weak minded sauropods!!!!!

[lone wraith]

I’m asking how realistic the skulls are

[charred hearth]

oh then pretty good

[fossil ingot]

That has like No arguments at all lol
The Petting Zoo was done specifically with Babies for that reason, that doedn't Translates to the Adults at all
Specially when JW also has a Bunch of Sorna Dinos and most their Deino's were also from the Original JP

[fossil ingot]

The Gyrosphere is not only very Round, but is not been Broken even by a Irl Rex Bite that specially has no proper Gripe.
You can get its Piercing Dura quite well

[fossil ingot]

I mean.
Its fictional Animals on a Fictional Universe
You can use them, nothing wrong with that

[fossil ingot]

I mean.
Irl Rex is not Piercing Indom's Hide easily nor doinh to Much major dmg, thats Off Topic tho

[fossil ingot]

Thats just Indom been an Outlier given we know 1 Single Apato is enough to make JWD Rexy think Twice.

Anything even above Large Building for anything thats not Mosa is just exagerrated

[jagged trellis]

thats the joke, there is 0 scaling stuff there because its slightly above mega fauna mode lmao

[fossil ingot]

There are ALOT of Scaling Stuff on the verse

But like I said
That Convo is
#1 To Nerdy
#2 Off Topic

Plus you all wouldn't even change your mind so its both useless and waste of time

[jagged trellis]

"scaling" at best gets to city unless you are counting lego jw lmao

[halcyon cobalt]

did carcharodontosaurs have binocular vision

[fossil ingot]

Lego W is Goated tho also Thats Pretty Much above what you can get Most Dinos that are not Close to Argent size lol.

@halcyon cobalt prob

[halcyon cobalt]

do you have a diagram or anything that can show that

[undone rapids]

If an Animal can look at you with both of its eyes at the same time, its got Bino Vision. So basically every theropod has it

[mossy patrol]

I have a question. did Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus have more serrated teeth compared to other large Tyrannosaurids?

[white matrix]

yes but they wouldn't have been like a carchs or gigas

[mossy patrol]

ah I see. what would you say this tells us about how their hunting strategies differed if at all?

[white matrix]

all tyrannosaurs were speed demons the larger they got the better at crushing they were

[mossy patrol]

so Alberto and Gorgo still primarily used their proportionally high bite force to hunt? the sharper teeth don't change anything like how it affects Carcharodontosaurid feeding strategies?

[undone rapids]

We have Evidence of Gorgo and Daspleto both feeding on Ceratopsians and Hadrosaurus, I don't think their strategies for hunting would differ too much considering how similar they are buildwise(mainly just ambushing prey), though i dunno if there's any research of albertosaurine feeding being different from other tyrannos

[fossil ingot]

"Albertosaurus Libratus"
Kill that Name

[zealous ravine]

Decent for a start but the shapes aren’t quite right and some bones are missing

[undone rapids]

For their Feeding Strategy we'd need to look at Neck musculature more to understand as it'd affect it more than teeth shape

[wary heath]

Does anyone know what this creature is supposed to be? I remember having this along with my other dinosaur figures as a kid but never knowing what it was.

[mossy patrol]

thank you all for the explanations!

[stiff osprey]

Appearance wise, probably a Scelidosaurus? i doubt we'll ever know what the toymaker intended it to be if anything but it sort of looks like one

[wind prairie]

dude they're probably ragebaiting you

[wind prairie]

kinda just looks like some generic idea of an "armored dinosaur" tbh

[white matrix]

^

[summer sorrel]

Possibly something like an outdated representation of hylaeosaurus, though imo might be mymoorapelta

[twin lava]

Yeah I realized lmao

[hardy sentinel]

What classifies a Dromeosaurid? I know it ain't body shape or the sickle claw

[twin lava]

le raptor.

[slim stratus]

(Wasn’t sure where else to put this) I need help finding out what Spino’s skins are inspired by. I already know the ones based off of the Australian Water Dragon and the Blue Coral Snake, but other than those I just can’t find anything. Any help on finding what the other 11 skins are based off of would be greatly appreciated!

[river plinth]

So you telling me the same parasaurolophus that towerd over a group of men and swung them everywhere was the same 1 that was halted by a rope by owen? 💀

Plus look in the seen agian there's very much a big stegosaur in it with another gen 2 nerffed parasaurolophus in the background who we saw in the original trilogy those first made ones wouldhave put them on a kasket for being that close (since we know dinos do age and pass and since they literally made a evil dinosaur it not out of the blue to water down some to handle easier)

[fossil ingot]

You do know that redesigns happen?
JWD Para are Canonically some of the ones that escaped in FK?
Maybe not EXACTLY the same Individual, but the species itself are the same.
Alot of JW Nublars Dino's are from Sorna and some from the Original JP
This is stated alot on the Dinosaur Protection Group and other Places

[charred hearth]

now that i think of it, did any megatheropod have regular prey that was faster then it?

[rose kite]

why to asteroids always end up in big holes?

[severe yew]

in 1982, paleontologist Dale Russell, curator of vertebrate fossils at the national museum of canada in ottawa, conjectured a possible evolutionary path suggesting that if dinosaurs had survived the extinction events, they could have evolved into intelligent beings similar to humans

in the span of millions of years, this could have happened...

this figurine is so creepy 😳

[balmy oyster]

a fun idea, but most likely would not happen considering how & why humans evolved the way we did.

[severe yew]

would you elaborate?

[hardy sentinel]

humans evolved from arboreal animals that needed to be bipedal in order to hold onto branches. Evolving as upright as we did is only unique to the the more basal-ish apes and would require a lot of adaptation for some bird-like animals to do that it's simply unlikely it would happen

well, not basal-ish, but you know what I mean. Humans, Gibbons, and Orangutans to an extent are the only animals to be as upright, and its unlikely for dinosaurs to evolve like such

Our stance that we have has only evolved once in the history of earth to my knowledge is what i'm tryna say

[severe yew]

humans have been around 200k to 300k years, and for the past few thousand years our brains have been evolving exponentially (the proof in all recent human discoveries within the past hundred years)

imagine what evolution could have accomplished in not thousands but millions of years

the time is just too much to ignore

[hardy sentinel]

Time doesn't always equal progress, we had very specific situations our species had to adapt to, and our genus has been around for 3 million years give or take

[severe yew]

i had to re-type my entire response, i guess i typed the word "jomo" sapiens

i didn't know the bot in this server is so aggressive, lol 😆

[hardy sentinel]

I ain't denying that dinosaurs could have evolved human like intellect given time, but a human like body shape is next to impossible without near identical evolution

[severe yew]

yes, but bro, dinosaurs were around for 165 million years, give or take

that time is honestly hard to comprehend

[tough parcel]

Consider this was done during the time of science where “Human = ultimate life form”

So it’s basically “If X animal ever wanted any chance of real success, it needed to look like a human” which is just erroneous to the core

[severe yew]

i am not sure about that

there has been plenty of species that have evolved in very similar ways even though they are from different time periods and geographical locations

[balmy oyster]

It is but we also don’t really know of any archosaur that evolved for similar arboreality or full blown bipedalism where they’re as vertical as a plank of wood

Not to mention you don’t NEED a hominid form to gain sapience to a higher degree. Not to mention that animals don’t even need human type sapience to survive considering it would take up a lot more energy & nutrients, and what they have going is perfectly functionally and probably better

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but the apes were extremely specialized in the way they evolved, and probably won't evolve to look like us without going through exactly what we had to

[severe yew]

yes, i know

i just imagine the possibility, bro

what if we have simply not discovered such fossils that would support that theory 🤷‍♂️

[balmy oyster]

But for the animals that do (ie pigs, cetaceans, octopods…) they seem just fine without having a hominid bodyplan for what they have. Humans just had a very specific evolutionary path that’s really just unique to monkeys and apes.

[hardy sentinel]

The lack of a discovery is not evidence it didn't happen

[balmy oyster]

Yeah I guess it’s plausible, but with that logic Spinofaarus is also plausible simply because we haven’t found it yet.

[hardy sentinel]

with any logic like that we could say Troodontids made guns and caused the extinction themselves

[severe yew]

i have read papers that say that hands with fingers, wich provided our ancestors to manipulate tools, is one of the main reasons we are now more intelligent than other species

[hardy sentinel]

So what about the species that begin to rival our intellect which lack hands for manipulation (birds, cetaceans, pigs)?

[severe yew]

i know, i know

it is still a sort of belief i always had since i was a kid

[balmy oyster]

All theropods have hands with fingers. Does this mean they evolved space travel and that’s why we never found any past the KT mass extinction (apart from birds cus those are everywhere)

[severe yew]

governments are starting to acknowledge that the ufo phenomenon is real

what if these creatures are not from other planets, but a super intelligent dinosauroid species 🤔

[halcyon cobalt]

-cm kosemen

[balmy oyster]

My dad keeps on saying this but for octopus’s and it’s funny

[severe yew]

i don't know, did they know how to use and manipulate tools?

[halcyon cobalt]

intelligent dinosaurs with tool making capabilities, but not in a humanoid body plan

[severe yew]

bro, time and time again throughout history, people make fun of other's beliefs

for example, think of how people laughed when they were told the earth was not flat

and then they are proved correct

[hardy sentinel]

ain't no way you're comparing flat earth "theory" being debunked to humanoid dinosaurs

[balmy oyster]

I don’t know what this proves, some people still vehemently believe the earth is flat

[severe yew]

damn, are they pecking that bigger one to death?

nature is very cruel, my friends...

[balmy oyster]

What I was trying to say was that—you don’t inherently NEED a humanoid bodyplan in order to become a global super sapient colonial species.

Just look at ants. Those guys have bajillions of civilizations and they look nothing like humans! Life and evolutionary traits are so varied that anything is plausible and there’s a lot more that can happen than just humans

[severe yew]

no, i am just saying that sometimes society gets very uncomfortable whenever other ideas arise

and then they just laugh and ridicule

and decades later, sometimes those ideas are proven to be right

[hardy sentinel]

keyword: sometimes

Also the reason so much stuff was being debunked is because science was starting to actually be used instead of people relying on superstitions

[tough parcel]

- Carl Sagan```

[hardy sentinel]

🔥 ✍️

[severe yew]

yes, i agree, i don't belive that a human body is the ultimate body type

bro, for instance, like your dad says, think of octopus, with all their limbs, camouflage abilities, and intelligence

i mean, yes there has to be other better bodies

[hardy sentinel]

yeah, but what you kept defending was humanoid dinosaurs

Dinosaurs with a body plan so unique that it has only been recorded to have evolved once in a completely unrelated group of animals with an entirely different evolutionary history

[severe yew]

i am not too concerned with the body type

i am mainly saying that there could have been a super intelligent dinosaur species that survived the extinction event

and this species evolved, and who knows, maybe they are the smartest species in the world right now and we don't even have a clue

[hardy sentinel]

that's not even a conspiracy theory that's just a spiral

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-kermit-uncle-deadly-attack-strangle-gif-22293235

anyways, i am so tired, i go night night

see ya, bros 🫂

.
for some reason i really like Kaprosuchus "boar crocodile"

and this figure is peak 🔥

would love to see a 10 ton fossil one day

[manic grail]

I had a really good kaprosuchus figure. Idk what happened to it

Wait i found it in the internet. The colours werent as vibrant tho

[tawdry lintel]

Is this the latest reconstruction ?

I could only find that the legs supossedly are from the latest found specimen, I would like to know more

[undone rapids]

Here's a few newer ones

[tough parcel]

The Spinosaurus skeletal is made from a few years ago and is definitely not based on any new specimen. Iirc it was done out of either poor scaling or Spino fanboy cope that it didn't have mega legs or was a giant T. rex killer

@undone rapids Spino that is more epic

[undone rapids]

I like the head/crest in Dan's more, but the sail of Randoms more....... maybe....

[tough parcel]

They're the exact same thing, please stop rearranging skeletals like it's a new Jurassic World hybrid 🥀

[tawdry lintel]

The legs here looks much more proportional to its body

[undone rapids]

and here's Carch based on Tameryraptor

[tawdry lintel]

The tail is absolutely massive here too, wow

Oh wait I found a post about it https://www.reddit.com/r/Paleontology/s/7EcGLOmEVU

[tawdry lintel]

Oh lmao, didn't saw it

What caught my attention the most are the legs

[tough parcel]

I mean again: If this skeletal is an outlier when compared to other skeletal artists who are notable for being fairly consistent and reliable, I think it's safe to say some material used was scaled wrong (intentional or unintentional, up to you)

We know very very little of the newest "Scimitar Spinosaurus" so any assertion beyond the released abstract is erroneous

[tawdry lintel]

It's the first time I hear about Paul Sereno so I really can't say much here

[tough parcel]

I mean Sereno is digging up the animal iirc and the abstract mentioned the legs were "longer" but how much longer is this? No-one knows publicly

[tawdry lintel]

Would the scale the only thing wrong ? Sorry I can't translate youe message above exactly

[tough parcel]

I mean there's probably more wrong that comes from wrong scaling because that can make a bone larger or smaller than it actually is in real life resulting in different parts of the animal or the whole animal being larger or smaller than real life

[tawdry lintel]

Ohhh k, I get you now lol, I also find really interesting despite being correct or not the differnece between older despiction respect to the bulk, this one is a bit more chunkier

[tough parcel]

I mean that can be attributed to a scaling error

If the skeletal artist made the ribs or sail too big, it can make the torso feel much heftier

Or if they made the neck vertebra too big, they would need to scale the skull based off that (since we don't have the rear of Spino's head) resulting in a bigger head and neck

[tawdry lintel]

Thank you for sharing your points btw, if you read the post I would really like to know your whole thoughts on it

[brave nova]

Same length as Rex’s

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-inner-peace-meditating-meditation-gif-16265872

[undone rapids]

Its also not for sure that they are longer, since it sounds like the femur is incomplete

[tough parcel]

Proportionately longer!

[undone rapids]

or.... it could be EVEN SHORTER

[brave nova]

Has anything else been said on what they also have found. Or have they only mentioned the legs?

[tough parcel]

Yea, several specimens but I don't have the abstract saved so

[brave nova]

Multiple specimens????

[undone rapids]

Which means there's potentially big toe bones for people to scale to 20 meters!!!!

[tawdry lintel]

For Spinos ?!

[tall vale]

I am personally more excited for the new giga specimen

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-optimus-prime-any-last-words-revenge-of-the-fallen-gif-24000753

[placid stump]

New dino khankhuuluu mongoliensis

[manic grail]

epic

[charred hearth]

what would be the largest therapod capable of jumping?

[placid stump]

Utah

[charred hearth]

Really? i thought like, allo could too

[tulip stream]

Allo was 2 tons and its legs were built for running rather than jumping

[jagged trellis]

(tbf the living weight limit for jumping is 4 tons) so it probably could, by how much viably is the question

[charred hearth]

how about large megaraptorans? they were pretty lightly built

[frigid delta]

largest are Maip, which iirc reaches 3 tons at max (?)

[undone rapids]

yeah around 2.5-3 ish I think, though I don't think we have Maip's Legs

[tulip stream]

Yeah we only have these remains to go off of

[undone rapids]

We do have allos much smaller than that, dunno what's the size limit for jumping though. Probably also depends a good bit on proportions cuz something like a 300 kg majung might not be able to jump while a 300 kg Utah might

[frigid delta]

very outdated silhouette

[undone rapids]

Its pretty sad, I like Megaraptors as a Group but don't really like any one specifically. They're all so incomplete that they all end up looking extremely similar

[stark roost]

Isn’t that a bit bulky for a maip?

[tulip stream]

Was only using it as a reference for the materials found not for a means of anatomical accuracy, since I know it’s inaccurate and dated.

[tulip stream]

I like maip and Austra a lot, we almost had Austra in this game as well.

[stark roost]

What do you guys think is the most popular unique dinosaur. Like yutyranus, maip, concavenator, carno, Deinocheirus, acro, or paleo accurate spino

[tulip stream]

Conca

[stark roost]

I feel like it’s deinocheirus or yutyranus

[tulip stream]

Actually chei is the strangest out of the group of Dino’s listen

[frigid delta]

the Mononykus 😧

[stark roost]

Yea but another thing I was talking about. In like TikTok comment sections these are all the dinosaurs I see including the other popular ones like tyranosaurus or velociraptor

[undone rapids]

Feel like its Between Spino and Carno for like general audiences

Everyone knows Spino from JP3 and all of the changes it went through in 2013 and 2021 were pretty big news. Carno appears alot in games and movies these days, wouldn't be suprised if its more popular than Allo/Cerato overall now.

[frigid delta]

JWR Agathaumas 😼

Hammond Collection Labrosaurus

Mattel Antrodemus

an undescribed stegosaurian should be named Diracodon

[wind prairie]

he looks like a chill guy idk what you're on about

aw man I missed dinosauroid discussion
anyway if such an animal did evolve, it most likely wouldn't be particularly humanoid in shape
there are plenty of neat ones I've seen

[hardy sentinel]

I think this is the only documentary that accurately portrays the wonder, horror, and beauty of dinosaurs. Just look at this cinematic ahh hunt

https://youtu.be/t9PZxPji4ks?si=V0u6dsUjB5pXB6Co

[wind prairie]

I have to disagree
I like preplanet but I wouldn't call that the best scene in the show, and there are plenty of other documentaries that capture that

[hardy sentinel]

Ain't calling it the best scene, I'm just saying it's the best dinosaur documentary that actually captures what dinosaurs really were

[balmy oyster]

Best Dino documentary is dinosaur revolution no one changing my mind

[lavish frigate]

Dinosaur revolution is peak, but not the peakest peak

[hardy sentinel]

A mountain can be tall, but not the tallest ahhh

[balmy oyster]

True…original wwd is what shaped all of our minds

[lavish frigate]

Honestly for me it was the Nigel Marven specials

[hardy sentinel]

Chased by dinosaurs made me fall in love with em

Is chased by dinosaurs an offshoot of WWD?

I find it funny how my first exposure to dinosaurs was the nemegt formation instead of the hell creek or morrison like most people

[wind prairie]

if prehistoric park were accurate it'd be the best thing ever made

[balmy oyster]

I think so

[topaz shell]

Dinosaur revolution low-key probably started my love for dinosaurs Ngl

[hardy sentinel]

Y'all shoulda seen my 7 year old face when I see Nigel Marven try to touch a Therizinosaurus after it just fought a Tarbosaurus

Absolute cinema

[balmy oyster]

The designs were goated ngl, I wish dinosaur documentaries made their dinosaurs look visually interesting and give SOME more sorr of personality here and there

[topaz shell]

Fr bro the torvo was epic

||Stumpy was better in my opinion ||

[wind prairie]

yeah tbh I more vividly remember the chased by specials and WWB than WWD

[topaz shell]

Bro I needa rewatch dinosaur revolution but idk where

[wind prairie]

this is like one of my favorite velociraptors next to dinosaur planet

all of dinosaur revolution is on youtube lol

[hardy sentinel]

My second favorite scene from the Theri episode was when Nigel caught a Mononykus

Most cursed design of one ever but I love it still

[topaz shell]

Aint no way did someone post the full episodes to yt

[hardy sentinel]

Internet archive is where I watched it

[wind prairie]

as a matter of fact more and more old paleodocs are being posted on youtube for free
dinosaur revolution, dinosaur planet, I think the chased by specials, etc. etc. Check this channel out
https://www.youtube.com/@prehistoricdocumentary2023
only thing it doesn't have afaik is stuff like WWD and WWB (though WWM is somewhere on YT) and no prehistoric park

[topaz shell]

Someone actually posted the full episodes

That’s a peak intro

[wind prairie]

that channel even posted the rare and obscure paleodoc dinolab, it's where I learned about it from

[halcyon cobalt]

you act like bahariasaurus wasn’t detadromeus

[mellow prism]

yeah bc it wasnt

[fluid inlet]

It isn’t

[hallow spear]

You act like Bahariasaurus is confidently anything

[mellow prism]

theropod my guess

[balmy oyster]

If it was then it would have the most horrific growth variation in all of vertebrate animals

[halcyon cobalt]

uhhh deltadromeus adjacent

[balmy oyster]

The ischium bahariasaurus and the rest of the postcrania bahariasaurus

[hallow spear]

I also would not wager it being over 5t

[mellow prism]

what does adjacent mean in tnat context, dont get it

[mellow prism]

point is that it is far larger than Maip

[halcyon cobalt]

similar or closely related

[mellow prism]

both are for sure not synonyms and I seriously doubt that there are close related

[undone rapids]

Pretty confident that its Dust

[fluid inlet]

Own him

[frigid delta]

Velociraptor:

[stark roost]

I watched dinosaur revolution on YouTube on REPEAT 😭✌️. With always that same exact same music

[worldly folio]

IM LOSING IT, I HAVE A SPINOSAURUS TOOTH

[slim stratus]

A REEEEEEEL ONE?! 😱

[worldly folio]

YES

[white matrix]

chat is rexy taller then goliath or is goliath taller then rexy or is there a trex taller then rexy?

[worldly folio]

I bought it for 100 bucks from a guy who lives in my state he’s an archeologist and has tons of fossils

[slim stratus]

OMFG I wish I had one! All I got is a cast of one lol. That’s so lucky! 🔥🔥

[worldly folio]

They way i was jumping up and down with joy, so happy, best 100 i have ever spent

[scenic flame]

what

[ashen wedge]

I have one as well, plus two Carcharodontosaurus teeth, an Oviraptor toe claw, and a Megalodon Tooth

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-gif-1846075065280866456

[balmy oyster]

Holy peak

[charred hearth]

Thoughts ? https://x.com/LiterallyMiguel/status/1933687356965490880

Literally Miguel 🇻🇪💥🔫 (@LiterallyMiguel)

oh wow just noticed the 𝘢𝘥𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘦𝘹𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘶𝘴 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘴 would've likely extended very far down in Kaprosuchus

giving it'em 𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘦𝘬𝘴

X · Jun 14, 2025, 12:46 AM

[stark roost]

So kaprosuchus has cheeks?

[kindred night]

If it's an actual Oviraptor fossil that's illegal to own.

[versed token]

Mosasaurs tooth

[white matrix]

it's a male rex, never seen one?

[wind prairie]

jovial little monster

[hardy sentinel]

Why would Oviraptor fossils be illegal to own?

[stable marlin]

Pretty much

[fluid inlet]

Can’t wait , wonder why there hasn’t been a trailer yet or
Something 😭

[hardy sentinel]

Can't wait for another interpretation of Lystrosaurus since it's gonna be showing the great dying (if it's shown)

[tall vale]

Hey buddy spinosaurus needs that for its reconstruction 🤣

Pretty neat though

[ionic crescent]

If it's cause the image, is from a low cost doc, right one is adult rex and left one is JUVENILE rex model, is entirely broken lol

[halcyon cobalt]

would an ostrich be the largest animal in it’s evolutionary lineage

like bigger than all of its ancestors

[manic grail]

So kem kem is in marocco, does that mean spinos from kem kem are actually sigil because spinosaurus maroccanus is sigil?

[river plinth]

Rexy was based on ether sue or the other one I forgot there name but it's not scotty

[frigid delta]

Rexy was based on AMNH 5027

[ashen wedge]

I know it’s within that family I don’t know specifically which one, but it lived roughly 66 Million years ago if it helps, as I know it’s not Oviraptor due to the time

[kindred night]

Chinese and Mongolian fossils can't be bought or sold.

[ashen wedge]

It said it’s from the US, so I’m not sure if it’s actually Oviraptor or within that family

[kindred night]

You should be fine then. If it's north American it's likely a Caenegnathid then.

[tough parcel]

Paleodude dialing up the Mongolian Fossil Militia to reclaim the humble Oviraptor

[halcyon cobalt]

Boisterous oviraptor*

[ruby moat]

Love my Kaiwhekea and saw this in one of the 3 local fossil shops, obviously not specifically a Kaiwhekea but hey 😤

[thorn grove]

what does evidence generally point to regarding ornithischian metabolisms because it seems conflicted from the couple of studies i've seen

[tough parcel]

Warm-blooded because it's hard to imagine hadrosaur growth (at the least) being supported by a cold-blooded metabolism

[thorn grove]

ok that makes sense

I was reading a paper that used some chemical analysis to suggest quadrupedal ornithischians were mostly ectothermic and it claimed studies of their growth found they were slow supporting that finding but then the study it linked to (or a blog post from the author i found anyway cuz the study was paywalled) showed maiasaura reaching full size in like 6 years or something so i thought that was weird lmao

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/RizkiusMaulanae/status/1933868279338258847

M. Rizky M. (@RizkiusMaulanae)

Self-explanatory

X · Jun 14, 2025, 12:45 PM

[ashen wedge]

It is confirmed in both the movies and in novels that the dinosaurs aren’t 100% complete….. (Jurassic World Dominion really screwed it up with the prehistoric opening) besides the dinosaurs are approximations of what they believe that the dinosaurs would be good for the public’s expectations for what these said creatures would have looked like, and some are a bit off, and others are nearly there…. Point is, they all genetic hybrids and don’t represent the actual fossil record down to the T

[little mauve]

I find it hard to dispute Wiemann et al 2022 on technical grounds, the methods seem sound, wherein ceratopsians and stegosaurs were recovered as secondarily ectothermic. Fwiw hadrosaurs were recovered as intermediate metabolisms, and growth rates don't necessarily tell the whole story wrt metabolism

[tough parcel]

If you have a slow metabolism, the energy required to grow 500kgs+ a year is not being obtained as well as the fact we have hadrosaurs and ceratopsians from fairly cold environments (Yixian comes to mind)

[thorn grove]

it doesn't suggest hadrosaurs having an intermediate metabolism but rather roughly as slow as Stegosaurs and Ceratopsians

I don't want to say that I know the study is wrong but its findings seem inconsistent with all physical evidence: ornithischians have evidence of four chambered hearts and hadrosaurs in particular have adaptations for a high endurance lifestyle, in addition to the high growth rates and presence of ornithischians in cold climates as gualicho mentioned

[little mauve]

Dinosaurs were probably doing some unique stuff compared to reptiles or mammals wrt their growth, both biologically and ecologically, I don't think fast growth in and of itself is slam dunk evidence of endothermy. I think they likely had a mixed suite of features, like four chambered hearts, some amount of inertial homeothermy simply from being so large, and possibly a low resting metabolism above a certain mass

[jagged trellis]

dominion exists and just throws that out the window for alot of them

[little mauve]

I'm just saying you kind of need to dispute the paper on the basis of its own claims, which I don't know enough about biochemistry to do but i also haven't seen any experts in that field responding in the negative

[thorn grove]

tbf it does acknowledge that "there is no proxy that enables the direct reconstruction of metabolic rates from fossils" and it points to supposedly low growth rates in Ornithischians as supporting evidence for its findings despite the opposite being the case so it's not necessarily that its methodology is wrong it's just inconsistent

[little mauve]

Yeah that's fair I don't think that particular case is a strong one. The evidence points to both fast growth rates AND low metabolic rates at adult sizes imo, so that's the essence of the mystery

[tough parcel]

Modeling Dragons: Using linked mechanistic physiological and microclimate models to explore environmental, physiological, and morphological constraints on the early evolution of dinosaurs

[little mauve]

Good paper, still trying to find my copy but Wiemann also recovers an ancestrally homeothermic metabolism for ornithodirans

[rich forum]

What is yhe most tecent assignment to the species sikaniensis? Shonisaurus or Shastasaurus?

[light osprey]

If metabolism is crucial to activity in microthermal environments, surely being ectothermic in environments where mean annual temperatures are near zero just isn’t gonna fly

[scenic flame]

I mean I kinda feel like that's saying a modern battleship can run off coal power

[little mauve]

Leatherbacks manage it with fat, inertial homeothermy, and high activity generating body heat but generally have a reptilian metabolism

[stiff osprey]

some ectotherms have higher growth rates than others, but yeah proposing an ectotherm to have a growth rate similar to cows and cetaceans is grounds enough to doubt the paper i would think

[little mauve]

How do you explain the biosignature phenomenon then?

[stiff osprey]

if any dinosaur were to be secondarily ectothermic i'd guess it would be a small one, things like dromaeosaurids, oviraptorosaurs and small ceratopsians grow at a fraction of the speed that hadrosaurs and ceratopsids do (and often take absolutely longer times to reach maturity)

[little mauve]

Precisely why I don't think growth rates tell the whole story and in fact confuse the issue

[light osprey]

Is that gonna fly for terrestrial environments where subfreezing air temperature is much more prevalent?

[stiff osprey]

i'd need to see some discussion on the matter, >1000kg/yr growth is historically recognized as an indicator of endothermy while i can't even open the Wellerman et al paper to see how they counterargue that

[little mauve]

Not sure but I think it's possible, once you get big it's pretty easy to maintain high body temperature even with a low metabolism. Seasonal hibernation or other behavioral adaptations come to mind as well

[light osprey]

I don’t think hibernation is feasible at that size?

[little mauve]

Frankly I wish the paper got more discussion in general because I think you all have strong points and the findings are fascinating. I'm at work but I have a copy on my home PC I'll share tonight

[stiff osprey]

we also know high latitude animals were not migrating south during the winter, and seemingly had slower growth rates than low latitude ones

Which i guess could indicate ectothermy, as ectotherms tend to grow bigger in warmer regions, but it could also just be due to less resources when the area is in darkness for half the year

[thorn grove]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04770-6.pdf

"Although variation in body temperature in different ornithischian clades has been reported previously and osteohistology has suggested low growth and metabolic rates"

they argue ornithischians had low growth rates which afaik just isn't true for many clades

[light osprey]

I think polar darkness at 80N is only ~4.5 months

Though what theropod enamel isotopes indicate, freezing temps probably persisted from Nov-April

[stiff osprey]

thanks!

the source for that seems to be this paper: https://sci-hub.ru/http://dx.doi.org/10.1146/annurev-earth-060313-054858

[stiff osprey]

multi ton herbivores living in 4.5 months of darkness is still insane however

[jagged trellis]

insert apartment joke here

[light osprey]

Evidence they hibernated? Much like the psittacosaur?

[ashen wedge]

Yeah, that’s why I said that Dominion screwed it up for the films, but the novels at least keep at as near exact replica-esque to the animal, granted some of the species names that near complete are given a reasonable (within possibility) range of size (except for the misnamed Deinonychus, since Utahraptor wasn’t publicly known till after the Release of Jurassic Park in Theaters), but still the novels are separate from the film universe by a long shot, do they share similar aspects for some dinosaurs, yes

[jagged trellis]

(and also dominion passing up on the peak of jwe giga) the novel do alright on it yeah ofc beyond a few...out there stuff( freaky rex and cham carno) but the films just went monster mode for no good reason, especially with some somehow being more monster than the full blown hybrids

[charred hearth]

what would be the most realistic and possible hybrid in the jurassic franchise? ( like the concept, like i'd say its spino raptor as its it would be a dromesaurid with a sail structure )

[ashen wedge]

True, but then again, Micheal Crichton, was trying to establish I’m the novels that no one truly knows what would be known from the living creatures compared to the bone evidence, although he did a good job with making the Cameo Carnotaurus seem realistic and scary, due to their camouflage only working perfectly at night in dark areas

[ashen wedge]

In real life you mean? Or just in general?

[charred hearth]

either or

[ashen wedge]

For real-life it’ll most likely be a form of a Megaraptorian, due to their variations from species to species, specially with what they ate, what they hunted, and what they were built for, plus the size ranges of the different Megaraptorians do make it possible for them to be seen as hybrids to someone that wasn’t aware….

But in general, it’ll probably be a Triceratops having more lightly formed of osteoderms towards its tail and back of the neck, and I do mean lightly, as anything else I will consider it a bit of stretch, I say this cause we know Triceratops had nipple-like-skin impressions

Either way, I am giving you my best estimations are, since as much as I study dinosaurs, I can’t go any further than the publicly known information, as the research and field work (which I have done) are not too much of my strong suit

[charred hearth]

uhm, what?

[ashen wedge]

Was advising on the hybrids from the Jurassic Park series that could exist more in real life

[scenic flame]

Megraptora is probably the worst example you could give for variation between species when every single member except for like 2 use the exact same skeletal

[charred hearth]

what has more variation is skeletals, carchs or megraptora?

[native kindle]

carcharodontosaurids, it's not all giganotosaurini

[charred hearth]

should've said gigantosaurini 😔

[undone rapids]

Nah, They'd Win

Cuz Megaraptors are pretty sad

[opaque kayak]

Carchs are so aesthetic ❤️

[charred hearth]

what clade has the most copy and paste dinosaurs i wonder?

[stiff osprey]

the more poorly known a clade is, the more it will be copy pasted

as ''x group all look the same'' invariably is just because that person doesn't know much about the group

[thorn grove]

I agree to a large extent but you could argue that clades with variable display features tend to look more obviously different from one another

[lavish frigate]

Rewatching dominion, I just remembered that in the opening, they try passing off 37 dinosaur related deaths in a whole year as somehow terrible. In reality, that would make dinosaurs the least dangerous animals in the country 💀

[stiff osprey]

To be fair there are only like a hundred loose dinosaurs in the US at that point (even though the movie wants you to think there are thousands), so the fact they killed thirty people is a lot

[zenith rose]

What is the average height and weight of a Dilophosaurus?

Less important, but at what age does a Dilophosaurus roughly reach sexual maturity

[stiff osprey]

pretty sure the only confirmed adult specimen we have is the biggest one, which is 7 meters long and 600-700 kg

[zenith rose]

Alright, thank you

[undone rapids]

True, in the case of Megarapts are there any that stand out for any reason? I think Fukui has longer arms proportionally and some pretty different claw shapes, but yeah I dunno much bout em.

[fluid inlet]

@stiff osprey is there any source you can find for the bigger Shunosaurus not being Shunosaurus or a strong enough claim. I really couldn’t find anything.

[outer tusk]

it's me

[hardy sentinel]

Can we admit how astonishing it is how many times trees evolved despite the giant wooded plant niche having already been filled?

If anyone here knows paleo botany lmk how many times trees evolved because I ain't listen to Google's ai which gets it's sources from outdated science magazines

[fleet creek]

chat are there any cool early-mid jurassic formations? morrison was late jurassic but i wanna see what was happening before that

[fluid inlet]

How big is Sarco apparently this croc was 6 meters

[jagged trellis]

a smidge under- to 10 m

[fluid inlet]

Damn that is still scary as hell then.

[fluid inlet]

So Sarco could still get 3 meters bigger than this croc …. Damn

[white matrix]

no way its 4.3 tons?

[manic grail]

Yall think a croc this size could take on an adult male hippo?

[stiff osprey]

they can and they have

well, hippo cows, idk about bulls

[fluid inlet]

How much do hippo cows weight I assume it basically comes down to weight

[frigid delta]

last time i remember the cows is abt 1.3-1.5 tons

[frigid delta]

from what i heard
#paleontology message

[severe yew]

A systematic review of the giant alligatoroid Deinosuchus from the Campanian of North America and its implications for the relationships at the root of Crocodylia

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02724634.2020.1767638#d1e2089

[zealous ravine]

All Mongolian fossils are

[fossil ingot]

Sarco is 8.9m and 3.4-3.5t

[frigid delta]

this lol
#paleontology message

[sudden wind]

Rhamphosuchus my beloved

[tulip stream]

Oversized ghariel

I love ghariels they’re so cool

[fossil ingot]

The 8.9m and 3.5t is fine, the 9.5m and 4.3t is a bit to Big tmk atleast.
Would had to ask Random about it, cause the 3.5t is the estimtae he used for the Chart this year

[ashen wedge]

Wait is that croc dead? If not, I wouldn’t be so near it if I were them

[tough parcel]

Considering it's strung up like a trophy, fully laid out to demonstrate its length and overall size

Yea, I'd assume it is dead

[outer tusk]

it's very much dead

[frigid delta]

had this dream where i saw a huge Edmonto bull steals a chunk of Rex's kill and eats it
is that even possible? herbivores (all in general) eating meat?

[ashen wedge]

Herbivores, Omnivores, Carnivores are just more of a scaling measurement of what is mainly the diet of the animal, but that doesn’t mean that some Herbivores won’t snack on some meat, or that some Carnivores won’t snack on plants, and Omnivores are just more generalist between the two extremes, and what causes for all members to change their normal diets are largely, nutrition and some vitamin issues

(in the extreme case of no food left - that’s only for an extreme case for all)

[frigid delta]

what can trigger a Herbivore to eat meat?

[ashen wedge]

Hopefully that helps answers

[frigid delta]

carcass-eating Edmonto 😦
hmm extra protein

[ashen wedge]

It won’t be an everyday seen thing, as that is more so the case for rarer situations that could occur, not something on a daily basis

[thorn grove]

The bigger problem with this is the “huge Edmonto bull” but whatever

[manic grail]

Theres videos of herbivores eating meat like giraffes, deer, cow, goats and more

[scenic flame]

this isn't that simple, most cases of herbivores "eating meat" is them looking for specific mineral etc, an animal that is very much so on the herbivorous end of the spectrum cannot actually digest meat well or at all, such as cases of deer etc eating baby birds, they're doing that purely for the calcium so it's a mineral driven behaviour, not a predatory or meat driven behavoir

https://youtu.be/el97A8PMqbQ?t=1722

[scenic flame]

I do not see it being possible for Edmontosaurus to do such a thing as it more than likely could not digest the kind of nutrient profiles meat would have, and that no normal individual would be willing to approach a Tyrannosaurus kill for any reason unless it was an exceptionally large edmontosaurus and a very young Tyrannosaurus, which even then there'd be no reason outside of random aggression

[outer tusk]

Fr

[charred hearth]

what would be faster for a hadrosaur, running bipedally or running quad?

[thorn grove]

supposedly quadrupedally but it would've placed more strain on the limbs

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255643436_Virtual_palaeontology_Gait_reconstruction_of_extinct_vertebrates_using_high_performance_computing

here's the study suggesting that

[charred hearth]

So while bipedal is slower, it would be much less straining on the animal?

[tough parcel]

I mean depends if the study is still fully valid as I remember @stiff osprey or @sullen cairn mentioning hadrosaurs would be handicapping themselves (in terms of speed) if they ran quadrupedally but I don't know if that was a hunch or paper or a third, more evil option

[thorn grove]

all three options are evil

[lofty creek]

what about pianitzkysaurs
we have much material about them
but sadly they still looks very same
just some random thing between megalosaur and allosaur
or a "very standard normal theropod" appearence

Xuanhanosaurus is known for huge robust forelimb and blunt claw but more sadly we cant even make sure what it is(a relatively new paper threw it among pianitzkysaurs iirc)

and there isnt a pianitzkysaur mod in PoT(such as Condorraptor or Marshosaurus)
not even in any team's plan
tragic

[outer tusk]

these guys are so cool

[light osprey]

Evidence they made it up?

[stiff osprey]

mind you the study that says quadrupedal is faster also assumes quadrupedal hadrosaurs would be galloping

which i can maybe see the juveniles doing, but i don't think a 5 ton hadrosaur can gallop on those inch thin forelimbs more than once

[thorn grove]

is hesperosaurus still valid my morrison obsessed friend is asking

[stiff osprey]

definitely

[ashen wedge]

That’s what I was saying, not that it was driven by pure predatory or meat driven behavior, just that the herbivores and carnivores are more of a scaling aspect of what makes up the general diet of a species

[fluid inlet]

wtf rhamphosuchus lived as long as 2 million years ago ?! That thing is huge

[scenic flame]

uuh, no. 150 mya, not 2 mya

[white matrix]

which of these tarbo skulls is most accurate?

[fluid inlet]

Read a book

[scenic flame]

oh I read that as rhamphorhnychus lol

[fluid inlet]

I figured lol

[tulip stream]

The rhampo threw me off as well

[mossy patrol]

I did too at first lol

[balmy oyster]

Seems like we all did lmao

[scenic flame]

but yeah it's massive for something so relatively recent

[fluid inlet]

Beast

[tall prawn]

Looke what we have here

[fluid inlet]

Why are you using a axe as a Torvosaurus bone buddy

[tall prawn]

Cuz + it’s cool and it’s bigger than edmarka Rex

[rancid dove]

Orthacanthus and stethacanthus

[balmy oyster]

Outdated. Random miscaled it.

[tall prawn]

Fine, assuming it’s bellow Elvis how big would he be

[undone rapids]

Should be around this, Roughly. Got 9.8 meters iirc. Big one is edmarka

[fluid inlet]

Lmao

[outer tusk]

Oh no it's OMNH 1188 🦗

[undone rapids]

12 meter Torvo will be real someday.... hopefully.

[manic grail]

Does anyone know this?

[tall prawn]

What,missed me for 2 months?

[outer tusk]

No

[tall prawn]

I was joking 💔 but whatever

[undone rapids]

Atm Spino specimen from Morrocco is considered the same species as the one from Egypt(that got blown up), Sigil is also just considered a Spino atm. It'll probably stay like that we way unless we find a very different (decently complete)spinosaurid from Morrocoo or Egypt

[tall prawn]

Wait there’s a new spino specimen from Morrocco?

[undone rapids]

nope, I was referring to the Neotype

[tall prawn]

How heavy would coll be

[undone rapids]

more than 1 kg

[tall prawn]

I go for 4 tons

[wind prairie]

this is like, the online animal enthusiast version of brainrot

[halcyon cobalt]

The brutal hulking edmontosaurus steals prey from the weak and wimpy tyrannosaurus

[balmy oyster]

Congratulations. You now require psychological therapy.

[halcyon cobalt]

would edmontosaurus even be able to tear off chunks of meat with its beak

[thorn grove]

The completely average Edmusthosaurus vs the largest and most powerful of the pathetic Tinysaurus

[fluid inlet]

Smaller size estimates for edmontosaurus

[thorn grove]

perhaps even a juvenile

[brittle comet]

That’s clearly the smallest specimen

[white matrix]

some people cant tell when y'all are joking guys

[halcyon cobalt]

perhaps this is the pretentious gatekeepy “big paleo” people talk about

[ashen wedge]

Oooo conspiracy theory time?

[fluid inlet]

I’m pretty sure everyone can actually

[ashen wedge]

Shhh, let me try to learn about Big Paleo

[charred hearth]

this will be a weird question but would hadrosaurs ( lets say medium to small ) be able to back kick like horses as their sometimes depicted? ( think of iggys back kick )

[thorn grove]

no

[autumn pelican]

Isnt Goliath bigger or doesnt it count because its just one bone

[thorn grove]

Goliath's size estimates are kind of unreliable because we don't really have good info yet

Regardless I think X-Rex technically does barely edge out Goliath, it's like 13-14 tons vs 12-13

The bigger concern is that 99% of Edmonto specimens are smaller than a typical fully grown adult rex, even if the Edmonto specimen can be verified to also be fully grown

[autumn pelican]

With bigger i dont mean taller than the edmon i was refering to the rex

[autumn pelican]

Yeah

[fluid inlet]

The hell is x rex

[thorn grove]

ur mom

[autumn pelican]

Got‘em

[thorn grove]

were you actually asking

[balmy oyster]

Specimen of edmontosaurus

[white matrix]

me after seeing someone claim eocarcharia was 5 times bigger than rex

[fluid inlet]

You after you made that up

[white matrix]

is this ragebait?

sadly i cant show proof because i was banned from the server but it sure was fun explaining to them

[manic grail]

I remember an article about something found 5 times bigger than rex

[severe yew]

yes, they are called sauropods

[fluid inlet]

https://www.livescience.com/bulldog-faced-abelisaurid-found-in-egypt

This will always be my favorite

[topaz shell]

“Massive bulldog-faced dinosaur was like a T. Rex on steroids” bro isn’t even 3 tons 💔

[stiff osprey]

Massive bulldog-faced dog was like a Pitbull on steroids

[white matrix]

it was an article comparing it to a tyrannosaur not even 400kg calling it tyrannosaurus 🤣

[manic grail]

"26ft-Long Dinosaur Bigger Than T. Rex Ancestor With Blade-Like Teeth Discovered" i found the article. Its about Ulughbegasaurus

It means its bigger than the tyrannosaurs of its time, not trex itself. The title can be very misleading

[white matrix]

they referenced these

[manic grail]

Crazy here it literally says 5 times bigger than trex. Thats straight up a lie lol

[white matrix]

ye this is what I told them too

[scenic flame]

TLDR bunch a news articles said that when it was actually in references to Ulughbegsaurus, which lived with a much, much smaller Tyrannosaur, Timurlengia.

Which in terms of size(mass) could quite feasibly be 5 times bigger than the latter, it's just that paleo news articles as usual spread outright misinformation for clicks.

[umbral kite]

where there any raptors in the same place as utah that where the same near

[white matrix]

so do we know why raptors got smaller?

[compact leaf]

by and large they were always small, the big ones were just outliers that cropped up independently

[scenic flame]

yeah I don't think they got smaller per say

[keen yew]

Its sounds like the notion raptors shrunk over time is a bit outdated

[white matrix]

I mean like utahraptor and achillobator or did they just die out from competition with something

[scenic flame]

most likely climate change since that's the cause of the vast majority of extinctions

[white matrix]

I'm not familiar with raptors, I just know the 2 that lived with tarbo and rex were tiny

[tough parcel]

Raptors in general were small, Utahraptor and Achillobator (maybe Austroraptor/Imperobator if you count unenlagiines) were the exceptions

[light osprey]

The massive 3 meter Imperobator

[fluid inlet]

Anyone in here know how big Sarco is in the game, in meters ?

[stark roost]

I just don’t believe you dude 💔. There’s no way someone could think that

[wind prairie]

I saw someone once say that anzu could beat a rex, anything is possible

[lofty creek]

sure adult Anzu could beat and even prey on a Tyrannosaurus rex(1 year old)

[thorn grove]

as a rule if something was in hell creek people will try to be contrarian and argue it was immune to predation

[charred hearth]

https://x.com/ausar_the/status/1934212633114132710

Ausarchosaur (@ausar_the)

Paleontologist: “Look at this picture of us holding a REPLICA of an ichthyosaur skull!”

“Fake no way you can hold a stone that big”

“Fake that’s a dragon”

“Fake that’s a dragon, no way you can hold a stone that big”

X · Jun 15, 2025, 11:33 AM

[severe yew]

nothing can beat these 3

[fluid inlet]

Actually

[frigid delta]

is 5 meters & 500kg is a safe size estimation for Utahraptor?
or can they got more bigger/longer?

[severe yew]

alright, alright

lets bring this giant into the club 😎

so that makes 4

[warm saddle]

I think the biggest currently is like 6 m long and 500 kg i think

[opaque kayak]

Perucetus 340 tons where

[wraith jungle]

is there any official size chart of the game's roster?

[short river]

Not of their ingame sizes, no

[wraith jungle]

but have they made a size chart?

[short river]

They have one of the dinos, but I believe its outdated. Should be pinned in this channel.

[frigid delta]

Shao Khankhuuluu

[brittle monolith]

Whats the archaeopteryx classification?

[frigid delta]

dinosaurs go chirp chirp

[balmy zodiac]

hey

could anyone send here accurate boreopalta skeleton from side and top view?

[balmy zodiac]

ty

[calm agate]

This model is HEAVILY edited to fit a JWE rig please do not use it as reference or encourage others to use it as such

[tough parcel]

This is the only skeletal of Borealopelta tmk that might potentially be ok but

[white matrix]

^^^

[fluid inlet]

💀💀💀

[tulip stream]

Animation so ahh

[outer tusk]

IS THAT SYNCHRO FROM JFD, omg I'am a HUGE fan!

[opaque kayak]

Bro saying this to a ichthyosaur 😭

[severe yew]

lmao, whoever did the animation needs to be fired

[zealous ravine]

Borealo is complete enough that you could honestly just use the fossil as a reference

This is from the description

[balmy zodiac]

Alr ty

[fluid inlet]

People tried to defend this shi show

[hardy sentinel]

Chat, I just found out the guy Barsboldia is named after named Gallimimus and the family Oviraptoridae

Rinchen Barsbold is goated

[zealous ravine]

And he’s still alive

[hardy sentinel]

The albertosaurus episode is the only good one, even with the fossil cutaways. The animation is crappy on some parts but it's by far the best episode

I don't like how WWD makes assumptions though that aren't based in science like "oh this baby fossil might be Roses" and "Oh these two Lusotitan are male and these footprints were made by them"

[stiff osprey]

I like the spino episode, it has a reasonable portrayal of the animal without being overly anthropomorphic and has some cool scenes

[hardy sentinel]

I dislike it because they never really went into the unique sail. Coulda shown the Spino using it for intimidation for the corpse when the Carcha came to steal the corpse, they could've shown courtship, or even using the sail to heat up but they basically showed nothing about Spino other than it had it

Like I love the episode and everything, but they never went into anything about Spinosaurus specifically that isn't already seen in other non sailed Spinosaurids

[fluid inlet]

Man those stiff ass dinosaurs

[hardy sentinel]

Also going with Spino being a pursuit swimmer instead of fishing along the river was odd, as pursuit swimming is still down there with land dwelling as a viable theory

[stable mason]

guys i need a help

im making my own dinosaur game and im not really a paleo-guy and idk if i should have mapusaurus a tier 5 or tier6(Tier 6 is the highest for carnis) ive been looking on tons of sites and they all are giving me diff anwsers

[hardy sentinel]

5

Mapu is smaller than both Giga and Rex, but still not big enough to be considered for the same tier

[stable mason]

what about Meraxes i have it as a tier 5

[hardy sentinel]

5 works too

Most carcharodontosaurids would work for tier 5 except for Giga as a tier 6, and the smaller ones being lower tiers

Most of the bigger carcharodontosaurids got around the same general size

[charred hearth]

what would be the fastest therapod above 6 tons?

[jagged trellis]

i mean what are the other animals in relation to it gonna be

because while mapu is smaller than stuff like rex and giga...its still a megatheropod by a good bit

[undone rapids]

Deinocheirius maybe?

Pretty sure the largest Mapu specimen is close to Giga holotype in size

[elfin leaf]

most likely a tyrannosaurid, they're very cursorial
I don't know if they'll be the fastest in a burst of speed, but they'll keep their speed for way longer

[charred hearth]

rex takes the reward for highest stamania/endurance out of any mega-therpod right?

[stable mason]

these theres more coming tho

[jagged trellis]

why are there no little guys, id probably shift up the lining bit because mapu could be a 5 or 6, but giga, mapu AND ttt is abit much and alr contests the highest carch niches alot game wise

[hardy sentinel]

Mfs who ask which dinosaur has 500 teeth (Nigersaurus) when you say a country's name instead of a literal slur

[undone rapids]

Among Carchs there's Concavenator and Lajasvenator for little guys.

[stable mason]

yeah i should tone down on the apexs and sub-apexs

[stiff osprey]

it's a lame joke because literally no one thinks they are asking the question out of genuine curiosity, if they know the exact number of teeth then they know what dinosaur has it

[glossy valley]

And if it's not true, is Albertosaurus the evolution of Gorgosaurus?

[fluid inlet]

Rapetosaurus better

[ashen wedge]

You be wrong, Albertosaurus was cooler than Gorgosaurus, since at least I don’t have to remind myself that Gorgosaurus exists compared to Albertosaurus

[fluid inlet]

Gorgosaurus is cooler because of the pick up line you can use because of Gorgosaurus .

[scenic flame]

the azhdarchid forest hunt was great

[glossy valley]

And there are some things that reinforce my theory, such as:

1. Gorgosaurus is older, being 76.6 to 75.1 million years old. The Albertosaurus is more recent, having 71 to 68 million years.

2. Albertosaurus is slightly heavier and larger, perhaps having a predatory refinement.

3. And if you compare them they are ALMOST identical.

[glossy valley]

Lol

[manic grail]

Gorgosaurus sounds so cool

[undone rapids]

They're from the same like subfamily, Albertosaurine. But whether Gorgo is a direct ancestor of alberto is basically impossible to Prove due to how large of gap in time millions of years are and stuff. Its an ongoing argument with Dapletosaurs too with if the 2 or 3 species are like an ancestor/descendent relationship or not

[scenic flame]

also "anagensis" as it's called is generally rare and or hard to prove as glaive said, idr the explaination, I'd go find it but I'm tired

[ashen wedge]

I guess Gorgo is just Albertosaurus from Wish

[glossy valley]

Worse than that, there isn't much fossil evidence for my theory. There is probably an intermediate species between Gorgosaurus and Albertosaurus that paleontologists haven't found yet.

[undone rapids]

There's a 2nd Gorgo or Alberto species being described iirc. It was mentioned in one of the new WWD interviews

[glossy valley]

Sure.

[ashen wedge]

Possible but extremely unlikely at this point, since we have been digging up the area where Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus has been found, but a subspecies being found to connect the link is more likely

[sudden wind]

WHAT DID YOU SAY

[glossy valley]

By the way, I have another question:
All the animals we know today — like lions, wolves, and bears — are descended from small ancestors that lived during the time of the dinosaurs. We probably haven't found many of their fossils yet because they're either too fragmented to identify properly, have been mistaken for other species, or have simply decomposed over time.

[scenic flame]

they're descended from small animals after the KPG impact

[thorn grove]

we've found plenty of mesozoic mammals

[sudden wind]

I think you may not have understood what is an "ancestor" : an ancestor is an hypothetical entity that serves to group biological group together based on shared synapomorphies.

Sure, organisms evolve through times and some are the direct descendants of a previous group that existed and went "extinct" (some of them died off with only a few lineages survived).
Still, these types of ancestors are essentially impossible to find or verify unless you have like extremely solid evidences, which is only possible in extant lineages and with very recent fossils (like it only concerns Pleistocene animals).

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/true-its-true-the-office-dwight-gif-9399457

[glossy valley]

practically described what a scientific theory is

[ashen wedge]

I’ll repeat myself, Gorgosaurus is just Albertosaurus from Wish

[glossy valley]

Exactly

[ashen wedge]

We know of the mammals that existed during that time, but it’s harder to see where the branches are since it’s honestly a rarity for fossilization and then an even bigger rarity for it be discovered by people

[glossy valley]

But not enough, we have not found fossils of the species that gave rise to bears, for example, and perhaps we will never find it. Do we know that it must have existed? Yes, but we have found its fossils it is uncertain.

[glossy valley]

That's why I said, they are so fragmented that we confuse them with another species or they just decompose, making them extremely rare and that's why we find few

[ashen wedge]

True, but then again, it’s not like all mammals survived the KT Mass Extinction, as that took a devastating toll on all life, and that including a good chunk of mammals as well

[thorn grove]

Carnivorans didn't diverge until after the Mesozoic based on genome inferences

[charred hearth]

thoughts on stegosaurs with quills? https://x.com/yurixtinction/status/1934704565015990521/photo/1

em (@yurixtinction)

A ceratosaurus regretting his choices

X · Jun 16, 2025, 8:08 PM

[hardy sentinel]

makes sense, maximize defense even with big long osteoderm spikes, and hair-like structure don't take of that much resources

[ashen wedge]

Possible, not unlikely, but I wouldn’t call it a far reach

[glossy valley]

Of course, you are right that not all mammals survived, with the vast majority dying out.

[ashen wedge]

And that makes it harder to tell which of those particular mammal lineages eventually branched out into the mammals we know and are today

[hardy sentinel]

sometimes people forget that just because stuff survived doesn't mean the whole group survived. I think the main reason monotremes are so few is because they died out during the KT

[halcyon cobalt]

still crazy to me how just like pterosaurs, we don’t really have any transitional fossils of bats

[glossy valley]

And maybe we'll never find out

[ashen wedge]

Only time can tell, maybe not in our lifetimes, but in the future whether it be now or over a century from now

[glossy valley]

Surely

[hardy sentinel]

Tiny hollow bones don't help, it's astonishing we have this many prehistoric tiny bird species known to science

[halcyon cobalt]

Do bats have hollow bones?

[ashen wedge]

Yes, without a doubt, otherwise it’ll be like a rat jumping off of a cliff and hoping it’ll survive

[halcyon cobalt]

well it’s a rat with giant membranous wings

[hardy sentinel]

no they don't bats just have tiny bones, tiny lightweight bones prone to breakage but they aren't hollow

I just said hollow bones because we were talking about pterosaurs

[tacit pine]

Yikes

[hallow spear]

doesnt really make sense tho

[halcyon cobalt]

I’m pretty sure there aren’t many modern big-spiked animals is because they need to fit into burrows, and quills give them the leeway to

[hardy sentinel]

yo Stego when you are tryna respond to something initially can you try and put it in one message? You saying "doesn't really make sense tho" and then starting a new message leaves me sitting here thinking what I said wrong and basically just waiting to see how stupid I am for a minute until you respond

Like I know it is partially an issue on my half, but it's not really a good way to debate/disprove either

[marsh tapir]

@tacit pine This is a reminder to remain polite and respectful while interacting on this server. Do not provoke or antagonize other users.

Please, refer to our #rules

[hallow spear]

you cant disprove anything because there is no evidence for it, im saying it doesnt make sense since the purpose it serves is already effectively done by the spikes on its back

and on that note, i got distracted doing something else hence why i didnt say anything further its not that deep really

I just disagreed with you saying it makes sense

[hardy sentinel]

Can an animal not have osteoderms and quills at the same time?

[scenic flame]

the more weapons an animal has, the smaller they will be, generally.

This is seen in the difference between Javan rhinos and African ones, Javan ones fight more with their teeth.

[sudden wind]

Why would you assume it had both at the same time ? Atp, it's kinda like proving the existence of a non provable entity

[hallow spear]

they can but there is no logical or evolutionary advantage for that, its just a waste, the logic behind quills is that they deter the animal, the logic of spikes is that.. they deter the animal

[hardy sentinel]

I am not claiming they had both, I'm saying it would make sense for them to have both rather than one or the other, but one or the other is still a viable stance

I am not assuming, I am saying it would make sense

[scenic flame]

imo it's one of those "not impossible but highly improbable" things

[outer tusk]

What's the difference between impossible and improbable, I forgot

[hardy sentinel]

can someone explain how hair like structures pointing in between the undefended areas would be improbable? Quills aren't exactly a high cost thing for an animal, stuff like that are literal dead cells

[sudden wind]

Why would it make sense when
1 - there are no evidences of such structures, from the fossil record and phylogenetic bracketing
2 - it already has spikes over its body

Sure, it's not impossible, but it is far from making sense imo and it is quite improbable.

[hallow spear]

both do the exact same thing, with spikes doing it arguably more effectively and i agree with vivid

also the image that person sent is not the same as less rigid hair like quills. which is what you are now saying you meant

[scenic flame]

quills would be worse then redundant, they would have to be impractically long to be useable alongside the spikes and would be a worse version given they're a weaker structure that need replacing regularly, rather than the spikes which is keratin and bone, being useful for mineral storage aswell as just being a better form of defence

[hardy sentinel]

Impossible is that it's unable to happen, improbable is unlikely to happen

[hardy sentinel]

Ah, that makes more sense

Everyone saying "it already has defense" didn't really help disprove my idea

[scenic flame]

you wouldn't hold a long sword and a rapier in the same hand

[halcyon cobalt]

what about theropods having quills on their tail

[outer tusk]

No

[scenic peak]

Possibly Acrocanthosaurus. They have potential evidence of it jumping (idk if it was disproven or not) which would mean that it had insanely strong leg muscles and strong enough bones to withstand the force of a creature over 10 tons landing on its feet.

Sorry this was kinda random.

[flint hornet]

Since some bird species can mimic sounds,would some dinosaurs be able to?

[hardy sentinel]

we don't know. We got one dino voicebox and one ressonating chamber

[mossy patrol]

wait what?

how could Acro jump?

[charred hearth]

how the hell can a 10 ton creature jump

[hardy sentinel]

It can't, that's why the hypothesis was never accepted

[scenic peak]

There is a trackway where a large therapod footprint following a sauropod, and at one point the therapod tracks disappear and the sauropods weight shifts one way. And a little ways ahead the therapod tracks reappear beside the sauropod.

[hardy sentinel]

It's most likely fossil bias as we're talking about trace fossils here, footprints in particular (which could be used for the running question if you wanna look more into that) which shows tracks between an Acrocanthosaurus and a Sauropod, with the Acro tracks starting on the left, ending and then starting again off to the right.

Also the reason the weight coulda shifted is because of landscape

[charred hearth]

was the acro clinging on for dear life or something

[scenic peak]

I found it hard to believe too, and I still think that the tracks just got washed away and the weight shift was cause of a push or something.

[hardy sentinel]

Also the sauropod was 23 feet tall at the shoulder since it was a sauroposeidon, which means a 13 foot tall animal would need to do a TEN FOOT VERTICAL

[charred hearth]

maybe the acro never skipped leg day

[scenic peak]

It does have large neural spines that could have been for extra muscle attachments

[scenic peak]

Yeah it is highly unlikely that It could do that but it probably had stronger legs than most large theropods.

[flint hornet]

Out of all dinosaurs that aren’t sauropods or ceratopsids or a hadrosaur would have the best chance against a tyrannosaurus

[native kindle]

Out of all dinosaurs

takes away late cretaceous north america and almost every large herbivore group
you're only left with stegosaurs and deinocheirus lol, so probably one of them

[flint hornet]

I would have thought you would say an ankylosaurid but I never thought of deinocheirus

[scenic peak]

Things from other continents don’t count right?

[flint hornet]

This is a hypothetical about all dinosaurs from every continent

[mossy patrol]

Ankylosaurus lived with Tyrannosaurus

[scenic peak]

Ok well then therizinosaurus could possibly be up there on the list. It has large claws and potentially large traps and pectoral muscles fit for swinging its massive claws around. Since it’s Tyrannosaurus, armor wouldn’t be a 100% viable defence, so the best bet would be offense.

[mossy patrol]

if I had to guess, an adult Ankylosaurus would usually win against an adult Tyrannosaurus. T. rex would probably only hunt one if it was desperate.

[flint hornet]

Oh I though the claws of theri were only used for foraging and display

[scenic peak]

Idk about that

[mossy patrol]

is that accurate? I swear Anky was bigger than that.

[hardy sentinel]

The Rex getting it's lower jaw broken when it tries to reach down for the potato of rage and destruction

Anky may have been small but that mf could still do damage

[flint hornet]

What dinosaurs did Pycnonemosaurus hunt? Pycnonemosaurus is my favourite dinosaur

[scenic peak]

They think that it might have gotten bigger in rare cases but they only have a fragment of the fused vertebrae near the tail for proof.

[charred hearth]

whats theri gonna do

[hardy sentinel]

sometimes I wonder why we get some of the best fossils from Ankylosaurs and then I remember heavier things sink faster and mud is some of the best stuff for fossilization

[charred hearth]

theri slaps rex once and its nails shatter

[jagged trellis]

i mean the entire defensive plan of ankylosaurids( beyond hiding and trying to waddle away) is using their rotundness and armored backs to deflect and prevent predators from getting a grip, so being smaller in frame on it works

[scenic peak]

Fair

[flint hornet]

How are scientists able to find out what dinosaurs look like from a couple of fossils? Wouldn’t it take atleast half of all fossils found to be able to figure out what it would look like?

[mossy patrol]

so it is accurate. I knew Anky wasn't huge but I thought that looked a bit small. but yea Anky would be very hard for a T. rex still.

[fluid inlet]

Lmao ankylo being so low to the ground is a benefit for it

[scenic peak]

They find more complete fossils of close relatives or just different specimens and make the assumptions off of that. With muscle they find reference in lizards, birds and crocodilimorphs to guess what the musculature was like.

[manic grail]

Couldnt rex just step on anky and crush it with its weight

[scenic peak]

It wouldn’t be able to lift its foot up that high. Though the anky was short it was still up to tyranno belly height.

[manic grail]

i see. Didnt think about that

[ashen wedge]

It hunted the one that it could eat

[manic grail]

so nothing

[scenic peak]

He’s talking about an abilisaurid( or however it’s spelled)

[flint hornet]

I’m pretty sure they ate like small sauropods,crocodile relatives,and dromeosaurs

[manic grail]

abelisaurid

[scenic peak]

Yeah wiki says that it ate smaller titanosaurs. It is highly fragmentary and there’s no skull so pretty hard to guess what they ate. For all we know it could’ve been the only herbivorous abelisaurid (thnx for the spell check btw)

[white matrix]

anyhelp?

[scenic peak]

First three look the same to me and fourth one looks like a juvenile. I’d say prolly go for one of the first three.

[white matrix]

100% not a juvi with being over a meter long

[scenic peak]

I’m assuming it’s for a mod so I’d say go for something a little less robust so it’s not just a slightly smaller tyrannosaurus, or something that looks like it wouldn’t overheat in the Mongolian desert. Also idk why I said juvie. I guess the skull morphology looks like a mix between smaller tyrannosaurids and the bigger ones.

I’d still say that the smaller one is more inaccurate for the same reason as I said above.

[white matrix]

I dont think Mongolia was all desert in the time it existed?

would've been like a rainforest/marsh

[thorn grove]

this is way too big even for the largest known material

[scenic peak]

I’m stupid nvm it was arid at times but it did have lush areas.

[white matrix]

yeah Mongolia wasnt always dry, it got that way throughout 70 million years and it still growing

there's no way animals as big as saurolophus and nemegtosaurus would've survived in a desert, deinocheirus was also discovered there and was found with fish scales in its stomach

[scenic peak]

That is a map of modern day Mongolia. Image captions are misleading.

[white matrix]

the himilayas didn't exist at that time either

[scenic peak]

Yeah, hence the remark of “I’m stupid”.

[light osprey]

Not the Himalayas, but the Lhasa terrane was significantly uplifted in the Late Cretaceous

[light osprey]

This is also not quite right, the Nemegt formation does represent a fluvial environment, but that does not entail anything for the precipitation habits of the Nemegt, given the lithology would suggest an Endorheic setting, the riverine environment would simply be a byproduct of surface water inflow. Isotopic studies of isotopic values in eggshells generally seemed to indicates the steppe vegetation persisted from the Djadochta. The same methodology when applied to tooth enamel showed precipitation seasonality akin to monsoonal semi-arid climates. There is also a possibly end-Maastrichtian locality in the Gobi region which records a significant re-aridification of southern Mongolia.

[charred hearth]

couldnt it snow at negment?

[flint hornet]

I wonder if dinosaurs had mental problems like if some were sensitive and some had anger issues and if other individuals has adhd

[charred hearth]

my amarga has serve ptsd and depression due to what happens to it in grandplains

[tough parcel]

Lol

[severe yew]

science for kids? lol

[severe yew]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-out-laugh-water-funny-lol-gif-16789788

lmao, its time to go to bed for me

[balmy oyster]

Schizophrenic allosaurus

[scenic flame]

the big ones here were mis-scaled, Lancian's anky is better to use

[flint hornet]

PTSD anodonto 😭

[mossy patrol]

does someone have an image of this? the max size for an Anky?

[white matrix]

any updates on the wangshi "tarbosaurus"?

[white matrix]

anyone have access?

[sudden wind]

Fadeno's Ankylosaurus is oversized.

[sudden wind]

Acrocanthosaurus legs are rather columnar and not very great at running so nah it wouldn't really be the fastest theropod above 6 tons.

Fastest megatheropod probably was rex iirc with something like 28kmh for specimens above 7 tons. Carcharodontosaurs aren't particularly good at running and maintaining high speed.

Maybe Deinocheirus was faster tho but overall Tyrannosaurus kept the same adaptations for running, even though it couldn't get air time.

[sudden wind]

Adhd is only known in humans

[sudden wind]

It could and did snow, just like in modern Mongolia. A sand desert doesn't exclude snowfall.

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/bwJTjprghR8?si=RoyX79sC_nsStQZ5

[arctic crane]

I know that both alioramus species weren't full grown adults but how big were they and do we have an expiration about how big they got when fully grown? Was the qianzhousaurus holotype fully grown or was it a sub adult too?

[frigid delta]

can Dimorphodon had lips?

[arctic crane]

I didn't have a beak?

[fossil ingot]

Largest Anky is 5.1t, is Big Enough and its Size is enough to Fend off Rex

[fossil ingot]

Its still funny how that Rex is almost 2x that Theri Size(in terms of Weight)

[fossil ingot]

Ahh yes
Fadeno's Anky, The Miss Scaled Anky that made ppl believe 8-10t Anky was real

[fossil ingot]

Yeah I posted it above, CMN 8800

[frigid delta]

what makes Siamosaurus potentially dubious?

[flint hornet]

you guys are still talking about ankylosaurus after i mentioned it like hours ago asking what would beat a rex

[outer tusk]

Because this is a public server

[ashen wedge]

Dam, I’m taller than an anky…. Yet it can still look me in the eyes

[frigid delta]

you're 6 ft tall?

[ashen wedge]

I wish…. But I’m 5.6….. so it can look me in the eyes while I’m still a bit taller than it (I’m going off of its head’s height)

[halcyon cobalt]

You’ll get there one day

[ashen wedge]

Not really, I’ve stopped growing since I was 17

[white matrix]

dang💀 I'm 22 and still growing
you still got more in you

[lofty creek]

holotype is tooth

there are some other materials found but its unsure if they are the same thing of those teeth

[ashen wedge]

I hit puberty very early….

[white matrix]

me with a mustache at 12

from what ive seen this looks like the most accurate adult tarbo

@lofty creek

[undone rapids]

Tarbo has a few different skulls, with the Holotype one maybe being weirdly longer than the other specimens maybe.

[lofty creek]

As far as I know Tarbos had great differences in skull shape kinda like rex

[white matrix]

ye cause you also got this one which is used in most skeletals

[clever sun]

I don't wanna start an argument war but did the Spinosaurus swim?

[celest hedge]

I’m pretty sure every dinosaur could swim to an extent

[sudden wind]

PIN 551 my beloved.

There also is MPC-D 107 2 and ZPAL MgD-I/31 (which is the second one you posted)

Picture 1 - 2 : MPC-D 107 2
Picture 3 - 4 : ZPAL MgD-I/31
Picture 5 - 6 : PIN 551-1

[opaque kayak]

Mind blowing answer about to be dropped with this one

[versed token]

I do believe spinosaurus could swim but it most likely hunted like a Heron bird

[manic grail]

Dont you know about jurassic park 3

[versed token]

Most likely the blue heron

That's not super realistic

[manic grail]

whaat

[versed token]

They also rarely hunted on land or ate meat they ate fish

[manic grail]

But didnt he kill trex

[versed token]

That was also unrealistic besides ingens Rex's were weak compared to a real t rex

[manic grail]

Ohh

[versed token]

Yeah

[charred hearth]

" they also rarely hunted on land or ate meat they ate fish " is fish vegatation now?

[versed token]

Well

[hallow spear]

you arnt taller than anky, unless you're 2m tall

1.8m is marked as the line at the top, the 2m bar is the long black bar, you arnt taller than anky unless you're like 200cm

[lilac crater]

What do you think about this?
As a Utah fan, I feel humiliated.

[small geyser]

Utah model has better detail though so there’s that.

[tough parcel]

Hm

[fluid inlet]

Pot Achillo solos that boy

[manic grail]

He can rival rex in the big head department

[outer tusk]

oh new utahraptor ref?

[hallow spear]

Nah

[outer tusk]

but this is his prior one?

[tough parcel]

Yuh, I'm remaking it ever so slowly

[outer tusk]

yang too

[tough parcel]

[outer tusk]

but before you remake anything else, I gonna say my favorite from your public work has to be your acrocanthosaurus

[tough parcel]

I don't think I'll touch Acro for a while, it seems to be needing a re-evaluation

[outer tusk]

I suppose

[tropic citrus]

I mean, I could answer this for you. PTUtah was worked on before Achillo came out. Midtiers are usually accurately sized so it was a surprise that Achillo was as large as it is.

PTUtah is 6m. That's 20% larger than most estimates for Utah currently. Making it proportionally as large as Achillo's legs, PTUtah would be longer than a Cerato. Cerato(7m) even being remotely close to the same size as Utah(5m) doesn't sit right with me.

It takes a lot of effort to resize things, so I don't do it unless there's already going to be big changes.

[fluid inlet]

That’s nice pot Achillo still mugs it

[tropic citrus]

I'm sure, but they're referring to the sizing.

[lilac crater]

I understand and thanks for the reply.
I really don't know how much it must cost to make a dinosaur model and detail it to that point, but I imagine it would cost a lot.
Let it be known that this wasn't a criticism, but I do agree and in fact I also wondered if the achillo was the reference to "He looks like a 2 meter turkey"

[charred hearth]

i dont know hwo good / up to date this skeletal of alcovasaurus is, would it be alright to use a mira/ dace skeletal as refrence instead of this one?

[outer tusk]

Yes

[brave nova]

Which skeletal is the ref?

[tough parcel]

Hartman's with the BYU mount skull (it changes barely anything)

[hallow spear]

no, its not up to date and no i would not use dace

[brave nova]

This?

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/IZa0uRpsxeA?si=noCWqLAn-u5If2L1

[hardy sentinel]

Hot take: the Pachycephalosaurus rut scene was the most entertaining fights in the entire series. I just love it so much

https://youtu.be/nXU7P9n4Ujo?si=Ts_TsDheNg8aa1Ty

[fluid inlet]

Na mosasaurus fight was better and Dreadnoughtus fight

[hardy sentinel]

Also one thing I just noticed here is that the two Tyrannosaurus here seem to be different ages

Also this scene might reference the Albertosaurus hunting hypothesis as the younger, more slender Tyrannosaurs would chase prey into the slower, more powerful adults, which we see here as the younger one (evidence by it's size and smaller crests) does the initial chasing and runs the Edmontosaurus into the older brother who makes the killing blow

Makes me also wonder if this suggests that in Prehistoric planet that siblings will make territories near their father's territory and visit back

Btw we know these two are brothers due to the soundtrack being called "Tyrannosaurus brothers"

I'm reading too much into this aren't I?

[mossy patrol]

thanks!

[scenic flame]

the low end is a fair bit over €3000, me and a few others did some rough calculations a while back assuming you didn't retarget animations from a base game model

[fluid inlet]

The pachy scene on prehistoric planet wasn’t better than the Mosa scene , no way. @hardy sentinel

[ashen wedge]

I’m going by the head height, not body height

[hardy sentinel]

That was the biggest aura scene, but the Pachy fight scene is better

[hallow spear]

okay but why would you said you're taller than anky... by using a short part of the body?..

[ashen wedge]

I go by head height, not by body height, since to me, the height of the head is the height of the animal not the body (yes I know it’s wrong for that, but then again, it’s how my brain works), but then again, it’s just how I tend to process height for an animal that’s on four limbs (two arms, two legs)

[hallow spear]

thats dumb but you do you, but also dont use a subjective metric when stating something like its a fact then

[ashen wedge]

Yes, I’m aware it’s dumb, but then again, I can stand still and still see above its head, so in my opinion I’m taller, not to mention, we still don’t know what their average size range is, as we only have a spectrum of a few individuals (not a lot compared to T-Rex, and some other dinosaurs, due to Anky being more rare and very fragmentary - due to my current knowledge)

[hallow spear]

what does the average size have to do with you saying you're taller than anky. I also didnt say YOU were dumb, i said what you said was dumb because it is, Height is height, you measure from the highest point on the body. You could cay you're taller than ankys head

if youi want to measure from the head measure wirth head height

[stiff osprey]

it's a bad way to measure because anky could just raise its neck and become taller than you

we don't know what its neutral posture was like, maybe it was super raised like everyone depicted stegosaurus's neck in the 90s

[tough parcel]

A speculative alert pose...?

[charred hearth]

stegosauria was earlier then Ankylosauria right? or is it something that we dont know? i just want to make sure i remember something correctly

[native kindle]

I wanna say yes but not by very much?

[hallow spear]

we dont know which diverged first, BUT currently the oldest possible stegosaur is older than the oldest ankylosaur

[native kindle]

Thyreophora in general seems to have started right at the earliest Jurassic regardless, I don't think we have any triassic thyreophorans?

[hallow spear]

not currently known iirc

[ashen wedge]

Anyways…. Albertosaurus or Gorgosaurus?

[native kindle]

Gorgosaurus looks less dumb and has a cooler name

[charred hearth]

daspletosaurus

[ashen wedge]

But Gorgosaurus is Albertosaurus from Wish tho