paleontology

[flat pond]

It is?

[hardy sentinel]

yeah

[peak jetty]

Source that, because I can find nothing suggesting it is

[flat pond]

Interesting, guess PhP really brought in a lot of people to Apple TV

[hardy sentinel]

nevermind, I thought it was Apple TV ordered because it's one of the only places to legally watch it aside from the newer platforms like Prime and Fandango

[flat pond]

Oh so it isn’t on Apple TV?

[twilit bough]

Nergigante pfp in Rise’s style spotted

[fluid inlet]

Wish prehistoric planet would do 2 more seasons that’s for sure

[hardy sentinel]

Guess not, despite being one of the only platforms to actually have it. It's a BBC production but even then, that's a pretty rich network why are they falling back on 2010's typa models 💀

[flat pond]

A great question. Like I said, they did a much better job with PhP

[frigid delta]

meh
idc if the CG doesn't blend well with the environment
as long as the model and the science are good
this monke is happy

[twilit bough]

I’ve been watching DR and the older WW series enough to not care about that kinda stuff lol

[hardy sentinel]

They never really cooked with sauropods... did they

[peak jetty]

The team that made PP isn't involved in this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Studios_Natural_History_Unit

This is the team that Apple paid to make Prehistoric Planet.

[flat pond]

Which team has WWD 2 then?

[frigid delta]

speculative air sac?
like php Dread?
???

[hardy sentinel]

Honestly, after seeing the visuals on WWD 2 I am more hyped for Dinosauria season 2

[peak jetty]

I'm trying to find out right now, there isnt a lot of info.

[flat pond]

Eh yeah, more in favor for these airsacks

[fluid inlet]

L

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah but there's a difference between Air Sacs that are known to be in those neck area being used for display as well and having a buttocks inflate on the top of your head where there is less room for those air sacs/display structues

A dewlap or colored nose makes more sense

[velvet burrow]

And the only one where Utahraptor isn't just JP raptor clone

[hardy sentinel]

That's a far away outline, I could draw that if I wasn't on a shaky bus. When I say Sauropods I mean sauropods with a design, not far away walk animation to save money for your budget

[frigid delta]

i forgot that seal name that has an inflatable nose like that
maybe inspiration from that seal?

[cloud badger]

Elephant seals

[twilit bough]

Also hooded seals

I’d send a picture but the closer ones have blood in them

[velvet burrow]

What killed the hype for me was the North America bias and the lack of a South America setting

[frigid delta]

ty
@hardy sentinel Hooded Seal inspired

[flat pond]

I mean, even the original has a range of diverse locations

[velvet burrow]

PLEASE correct me if i'm wrong because i'm so unreasonably pissed off rn i might point at colonialism bias bullsh*t

[hardy sentinel]

How about they stick to Sauropod inspired for a Sauropod? Hooded seals have a different way of display and we know where Sauropod air sacs were, no need to build on it

Also, the inflating air sac display is just a clear attempt to copy PhP without making it obvious

[stiff osprey]

Dinosaur documentary keep sauropods normal challenge

[fluid inlet]

Prove it post a drawing ✍🏽

[flat pond]

I mean, Dinosauria is doing the same thing almost but but it actually looks more interesting

[halcyon cobalt]

the wwd one seems less outlandish to me ngl. we have modern animals that inflate part of their nostrils but none that inflate their necks like how php’s dread does

[hardy sentinel]

A Dewlap would have been fine bro 😭 🙏

@fluid inlet I am on a shaky bus rn, I will send a drawing when I get home in an hour

[peak jetty]

I can't find anything concrete on which unit at the BBC is making this one specifically. Possibly the same unit as the old one (Science Unit)?

The only other names attached are public broadcasting companies, which is probably why it looks worse. They don't have "kill god" money to throw at it from apple.

[twilit bough]

Give me something like this I beg

[velvet burrow]

I mean... outside of documentaries sauropods are either glorified background props or fodder

[compact leaf]

best I can do is scrotocephalus

[brave nova]

Carcha is not getting it’s get back!!!

[hardy sentinel]

Dinosauria's actually makes sense. A nasal air sac would normally be the spot to inflate, not the top of your head that forms what looks like an inapropriate body part

[frigid delta]

call me crazy but is that arms pronated?

[halcyon cobalt]

top of the head can still be nostril

[brave nova]

It could just be the angle

[twilit bough]

Probably the angle

[twilit bough]

Staring at the left one enough and you realize just how weird their skull is

[hardy sentinel]

Hasn't the top of head nostril theory been disproven since like, after JP 1?

[flat pond]

Huh, well that’s not very helpful but I guess we’ll get more information later

[twilit bough]

I believe they mean part of the nasal cavity and not having actual nostrils at the top JP style

[stiff osprey]

yeah the nasal cavity still starts on top of the head

[flat pond]

I’m curious, what species of sauropod is it, in WWD 2025?

[twilit bough]

I think it’s either Brachiosaurus or Giraffatitan

[frigid delta]

[unidentified]

[fluid inlet]

Yeah it is

[hardy sentinel]

Most likely Brachiosaurus as the top of the skull is less exaggerated (Assuming it's in the same family even, wouldn't be surprised if it was a Titanosaur or a more upright Diplodocud)

[twilit bough]

That’s what I was thinking but I couldn’t tell

[compact leaf]

they said specifically early on that it’s lusotitan, in the episode synopsis things

[twilit bough]

Oh so in that case we do have focus on European environments

[hardy sentinel]

Ah, so that's why it looks so much like Brachiosaurus

[flat pond]

Interesting

[hardy sentinel]

Anyone else excited for the Acro vs Sauroposidon in Dinosauria 2?

[twilit bough]

I’d win

[flat pond]

Meaning we may get Torvosaurus in WWD then if it’s Lusotitan then

[hardy sentinel]

well duh, it's obviously an injured Sauroposidon with broken back legs vs 3 gigantic charcharodontosaurids

[twilit bough]

Broken Jaw 2 electric boogaloo

[flat pond]

I’m excited for the Megalosaurus episode

[hardy sentinel]

Was wondering what that was, but I am happy Megalosaurus can finally exist in media for the first time since the 1900s. Like it's the first dinosaur we found ffs give bro some screen time

[frigid delta]

"have you guys ever thought of walking?"
"walking? with who?"
[title card]

[fluid inlet]

Definitely is

[compact leaf]

somehow it doesn’t look as good as the movie, just from an effects standpoint

[flat pond]

I mean, this image pretty much solidifies it as the sauropod is Cetiosaurus

[hardy sentinel]

I'm hoping that if Charch comes, we get a standoff between Spino and Charcha where Spino gets up on it's tail and uses it's bigger posture to scare Charcha away. I friggin hate Megatheropod v Megatheropod fights

[flat pond]

PhP was the only documentary to actually not do one, teased it with the two Tyrannosaurus but then subverted it.

[hardy sentinel]

I was happy that turned out to just be brothers hunting (unless you're talking about the courtship scene)

[flat pond]

Hm, both. Both are good

[hardy sentinel]

should I watch PhP on public transport or nah

[flat pond]

Also it’s actually a mated pair, the music was just mistitled

[ashen wedge]

Does anyone know if it’s said to be Gorgosaurus, Albertasaurus, or Daspletosaurus?

[hardy sentinel]

Where is that said? I like the idea that they are siblings in a sort of team up during a time of need rather than a mated pair hunting together

[flat pond]

I believe I was told that after saying something similar, don’t remember by who but was told that

[hardy sentinel]

Well, an official source (the music name) says they are brothers, unless something rebukes that claim with proof I am going to assume they are brothers

[fossil ingot]

Its Alberto

[flat pond]

Hm, fair

[fluid inlet]

Peak sauropod

[ashen wedge]

Yes! My Canadian T-Rex brethren gets some love, and I’m aware that I misspelled the names

[fossil ingot]

No, Carcha Mauls(it should)

[hardy sentinel]

Megatheropod fights are mid af, just let it be a standoff and one of them gets scared away

granted, those fights do look cool, but when it's the situation of would they fight if nessecary it becomes boring

[ashen wedge]

It’s the new old interpretation of the incomplete Tsintaosaurus crest

[frigid delta]

Spino claw slap or Carcha bite? 🥀💔

[fluid inlet]

Is that a dead sauropod on the right

[frigid delta]

seems like it
best guest is Paralititan

[hardy sentinel]

No, it's an elephant

[tough parcel]

Booooooo

There are no megatheropod fights nowdays!

[open compass]

Rex looks good

They're different

[hardy sentinel]

The only Megatheropods that actually lived together were the trio from the Negemt (Tarbo, Theri, Deinocheirus) and Spinosaurus and Charch. There may be a few other obscure ones but that's the reason you don't get accurate Megatheropod fights. Closest we ever got to one is Theri vs Tarbo in chased by dinosaurs

[tough parcel]

Exactly, so there are no megatheropod fights

[frigid delta]

a hc that one's a Rex, other's Mcraeensis

[fluid inlet]

Elephants are so good at time travel

[warped peak]

This is how I feel about the original WWD. Except instead of sequel, just the hype people gave it

[hallow spear]

balls

[lilac hornet]

Im... wow thats... uhhh

Something

[frail robin]

Two Azhdarchid deaths in one trailer <\3
Petition to end all violence on pterosaurs

[uncut salmon]

Paleontologist. I have a show idea for dinosaurs. Do y'all like it?

A show that focus's on the connection between birds and dinosaurs.

Its main focus is to give accurate information and if some information is changed and accuracy is messed with (like how Spino info has changed) they will make episodes with the same title but like this

Title: remastered

The first episode would be about chickens and their apparent connection to Tyrannosaurus

Intro quote for each episode: We all know the tales about dinosaurs stories of beasts that walked the earth millions of years before human kind. With franchises like Jurassic park and Jurassic world obscuring our view and falsifying the truth behind these extinct beasts. Dinosaurs among us, will show you the truth

[tough parcel]

These are from two different places unless I missed an azhdarchid being ate in the trailer

[uncut salmon]

I think I killed chat with my show idea.

[zealous ravine]

Prehistoric planet actually , for the most part

There is zero evidence that the tail club was sexually selected. In fact it likely wasn’t since we don’t have any dimorphism in tail clubs lmfao

[uncut salmon]

What do you think of my show idea?

[fluid inlet]

I’m change the tail placement but I’m happy with it

[frail robin]

T.Rex kills one in the end

[tough parcel]

Oh I forgor

[lilac hornet]

Am I the only alone who thinks the lip looks... off?

Like it looks like something I'd see on a toy.

[ashen wedge]

Could be two different rexes, maybe not even the same species

[hybrid spindle]

Best Rex ever seen

[lapis steeple]

there is significant variance between different tyrannosaurus specimens so there is doubt in my mind

[ashen wedge]

True, or it could be T. rex and Tarbosaurus

[lapis steeple]

I also don't think that either, tarbosaurus was a lot less robust than tyrannosaurus

Could it be mcraeensis?

[fossil ingot]

As long as WWD Rex isn't Short Legged like PHP
Its Good enough

[hollow vale]

It looks like an old man without the theeth 😅

[lapis steeple]

I honestly loved php soooo much

[lilac hornet]

Yeah I'm glad it has lips ofc but it's specifically the upturned shape of the lip that bugs me

[fossil ingot]

Tarbo isn't THAT much skinnier than Rex
Rex makes everything look skinny, Mcraeensis is also seemigly Skinnier Rex tbf

[lapis steeple]

True true

But the background looks very similar for both shots, which is another thing that leads me to believe they are the same species.

[twilit bough]

Actually it’s T. regina and T. imperator /j

[lapis steeple]

But those are not considered valid species anymore

[fossil ingot]

Its probably Rex Individual Variation
Which given how Rex is,
Looks normal

[twilit bough]

That’s the joke 😭

[lapis steeple]

Just checking

[cloud badger]

https://tenor.com/view/dumis-gif-21357082

[brave flare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9hC79FTcUY
not Kenneth Branagh, but this guy has a nice british voice

[open compass]

I think those are male and female rexes

[fluid inlet]

That’s better

[cloud badger]

I heard somewhere that rexes would have had lips so maybe it'd just artistic lips
Because they don't need to be mogging like that

[lilac hornet]

Yeah the lips themselves as like a thing are fine but the execution here is odd.

I notice the sauropods lips are the same too

[open compass]

I'm taking about crests, they're different
Don't you see the difference?

[cloud badger]

Oh

[ionic crescent]

Best way to do lips on theropods, is the way Tarbo has em in PhP

WWD 2 lips feel like bulldog lips, and looks pretty bad

[round hedge]

WWD2 spinos is best media spino

Change my mind

[magic jacinth]

[runic rover]

Ugh... I guess WWD directors were REALLY butthurt about Quetz in PhP

[tough parcel]

Ugh...I guess this guy was REALLY butthurt about people not liking the Quetz in PhP

[fluid inlet]

Lmao

[zealous ravine]

Tf does that even mean lmfao

[fluid inlet]

Rex fan boys about to be upset about Torosaurus 😎

[zealous ravine]

P sure that’s triceratops just with dark eyespots, but I’m not sure, it doesn’t seem to perfectly match either

Could also be another ceratopsian and that’s Alberto rather than Rex

[fluid inlet]

Pretty sure it’s not triceratops

[zealous ravine]

That’s def triceratops, the question is which one the other guy is, but I’m leaning towards neither trike nor toro the more I look at it

[tulip stream]

I think thats a baby trike (if you're talking about the guy on the right)

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I’m saying it’s def not triceratops in the first photo cuz u said it was , one I posted in the second picture w the baby is triceratops lmao (

[tough parcel]

This is Triceratops

Unless the creators subscribe to "Toroceratops", the frill is too short to be considered as Torosaurus in any way as well as the fact the episode description has "Tyrannosaurus fights Triceratops"

[zealous ravine]

I watched the segment again and that’s def a trike nasal horn

[tulip stream]

yeah that looks like trike on the first image

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I’m saying the first one isn’t triceratops it’s torosaurus and then dilo said it’s Def triceratops which I doubt it is , because in the second picture we see triceratops with the baby ( my bad I’m running on 2 hours of sleep) 💀

[tough parcel]

I have no clue what you just said 💔

[zealous ravine]

Local man discovers triceratops has individual variation, both images are like 99% trike

[tulip stream]

the frill does kind of look like toros

[fluid inlet]

How much you want to bet this ain’t triceratops , 200$ Wassap

[zealous ravine]

Nah, I don’t gamble, but it’s triceratops 100%, nothing about it lines up with Torosaurus

[tulip stream]

I think thats just trike brodie

[zealous ravine]

Unless it has a freakishly small frill and triceratops nasal horn for some reason, it’s not Torosaurus, it’s just a weird triceratops. The paleo folks behind the show did mention that some dinosaurs would look wrong but that’s because they’re based on unpublished research

[fluid inlet]

It ain’t trike you already saw trike with the baby, the frills are legitimately different, wtf meant to reply to dossin

[zealous ravine]

The only difference is the frill which is known to vary heavily between individuals lmao

[fluid inlet]

Profile picture bet since you don’t gamble

[zealous ravine]

Torosaurus has a very long, thin nasal horn whereas trike has a more normal, round one, this model has a trike nasal horn it seems

[compact leaf]

the baby is confirmed trike

[zealous ravine]

The reason it looks like it has a dip in the frill is the angle, if you look from a top view you see it has a strong curvature which means at some angles it looks like it dips

[wind prairie]

weird. It does have triceratops anatomy but it has the colors of the torosaurus from the original wwd

[tough parcel]

It has eyespots 😭 that's not the "colors of the torosaurus"

[zealous ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[fluid inlet]

That model looks awesome

[zealous ravine]

Mhm

[wind prairie]

it literally is though? (it's at least VERY similar)

[fluid inlet]

That’s because it is Torosaurus 😭

[zealous ravine]

Oh you mean the WWD Toro lol, I thought you mean irl Toro and was like “but we don’t know what colors it has”

[wind prairie]

how do you even get that impression
I said in my message "colors of the torosaurus from the original wwd" somehow falcon missed that too I guess

[fluid inlet]

When is it set to be released ?

[zealous ravine]

The picture you just sent is literally identical to triceratops lmao

[tough parcel]

They both have eyespots

Beyond that...I have no clue what you're on

[wind prairie]

wth do you mean "what I'm on"???
it's literally a sequel series to the original is it that insane to believe they may have taken some inspiration

[zealous ravine]

I missed it cause that part was cut off of the like response quote thingymabob, but I still agree with Falc that beyond eyespots, which are incredibly common in ceratopsians designs, there’s zero similarity. The creators have also already stated that all the animals will have new designs

[fluid inlet]

Easy way to solve it who do we have to ask if it’s torosaurus or triceratops ( it ain’t )

[tough parcel]

Yes because it was said by Holtz a few times that the series wasn't a direct sequel and as Dilo said, do not overlap in terms of design

[wind prairie]

yes but it's literally a sequel to wwd
that and the eyespots are the same shape even if bigger in the new one, also they're both lighter compared to darker more orange-red rims of the rest of the frill

[zealous ravine]

I don’t see how this even remotely resembles Toro tbh

[fluid inlet]

So make the bet dilo picture bet if I win you pick my profile picture for a week if you win you pick my profile picture for a month

[zealous ravine]

So? That’s hardly what I’d call the same design

[wind prairie]

you don't even have to take that close of a look to see it...????
by no means am I saying that the new creature is toro, just that the new (seemingly) trike has coloration very similar to the original toro

[zealous ravine]

I mean sure I ain’t got nothing to lose, also @wind prairie I meant it doesn’t resemble irl toro

[wind prairie]

alright you're just looking for a fight.
that is a very very specific detail. Even if it's a bit changed for the modern day the basic elements are still there
the eyespots are lighter warm color, diamond shaped with pupil spots and dark rims around the spots, and it fades into a darker reddish color that lines the frill

[zealous ravine]

Again thats just not that close to the old design, its reminiscent sure but not nearly enough to say it was inspired

[fluid inlet]

I looked online some people think Toro some think triceratops , so in conclusion it’s Eotriceratops 😂

[wind prairie]

why do you keep bringing up irl toro that is totally irrelevant
we're only talking about coloration. We could never know irl toro's coloration.
and yes that is absolutely close to the toro and not farfetched to say it's inspired considering this is literally WWD again and the new rex seems to be based off of the original one too. I could understand if this was a different docu but this is connected to the walking with brand.

[zealous ravine]

“Totally irrelevant” my guy, try to have a little situational awareness, me and rumble have been debating this whole time whether it’s trike or toro, the message I responded to saying it doesn’t resemble toro was in response to that

[fluid inlet]

Dilo relax 😂 you over reacting a bit

[wind prairie]

alright now you're just ragebaiting
my points never had anything to do with irl toro

[fluid inlet]

Ceratopsians are so based

[tough parcel]

I'll be the first one to say it's kinda funny poking Dilo but it's very clear Rumble and Dilo are discussing the anatomy of IRL Trike and Toro to verify the identity of the ceratopsians in the screengrabs

You've already been told (and shown) that the OG Toro has no semblance to the current colors minus eyespots

[wind prairie]

man I wish there were more default dinosaur emojis

[zealous ravine]

None of my messages about Irl Toro/Trike had anything to do with your points, they were entirely in response to rumble

[tough parcel]

And again, Holtz has said the designs were not influenced by the original series. They were done completely fresh

Your belief that the Rex looks similar to the OG series Rex is because the neck is tinged red (the body looks red too)

[zealous ravine]

Anyways I asked Lancian and this was his answer (also I’ll be the first to admit that I do get way too invested in arguments when I’m on my meds lmao)

[wind prairie]

this has nothing to do with the original convo. I was simply saying that the new (probably trike) had colors similar to original toro, not that I think it is toro.
and no, you can't "tell" someone something doesn't look like something because the similarities go beyond just "eyespots are present"

[fluid inlet]

I’m on 2 hours of sleep so it’s trike ?

[zealous ravine]

I’m beginning to think this guy doesn’t read the messages he responds to

[tough parcel]

@fluid inlet you're synonymous with @wind prairie how does it feel? You are LITERALLY the same person!

[wind prairie]

I think they misinterpreted that as meaning in terms of the accuracy of the actual anatomy.
Denying the rex and trike are inspired color wise is a bit silly imo. Because the new rex is that darker grey with red accents around the head.

[zealous ravine]

Probably, yeah. Lancian is the most knowledgeable person I know on HC stuff

[tough parcel]

Alright I'm bored now

I think the Triceratops will proc Sharpen Horns and Charge, but the Rex will use the 25% dmg buff and get a bone snap fracture on it, thus winning the DPS facetank

[fluid inlet]

Wait did this guy work on wwd ?

[zealous ravine]

I genuinely think that this doc was originally made without any connection to WWD in mind, and then they slapped the name on to get more funding

[fluid inlet]

Only one way to find out, when does it come out?

[zealous ravine]

June 17th I believe for Americans, sometime in May for Brits

[tough parcel]

July 16th

Wait was it June

[fluid inlet]

Oh nice that’s when I have to go to court 💀

[wind prairie]

alrighty

[fluid inlet]

The more I look at thee Rex the more I’m starting to like it

[wind prairie]

it genuinely is really nice, only thing bringing it down a bit is cgi quality but it's still peak

[exotic quest]

I’m sorry but this is such a reach

[zealous ravine]

Only similarity I see is a lighter color around the lips

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[ripe walrus]

Can't wait to see the Spino vs Spino fight

[wind prairie]

bruh are y'all just not looking?
by no means am I saying the colors are exactly the same, I've only been saying inspired
the new rex is still grey with red around the same areas, and the new trike-old toro is even more obvious

[fluid inlet]

I mean to be fair it’s not a super reach at all, let us not argue about something so silly tho😭😭😭😭

[wind prairie]

wow, another similarity so specific and small that I didn't even notice.
Yeah the new one's color scheme was not made up from scratch

[tough parcel]

Jarvis, pull up paleo-art with a reddish-brown rex

[zealous ravine]

I wasn’t aware the og WWD Rex had red around the eyes and the entire back

[exotic quest]

The body is a reddish brown with darker striping and accents, with red accented around the eye socket. The only thing that is similar there is the presence of red.

[fluid inlet]

I’ll chalk it up to this it’s skin was inspired by Torosaurus from the original wwd but it’s triceratops

[tough parcel]

Guys guys guys, Saurian and Duck made an homage to WWD guys it's the same colors

[wind prairie]

I feel like a broken record...
inspired. It is inspired by, not carbon copied.
of course they won't carry over the sharp contrasts between the colors of the original rex, or keep it exactly the same in color, given that was for a cgi model from 1999
and no it's not just reddish brown. This is specifically recognizeable

[tough parcel]

It's not 💔

[wind prairie]

I am trying so hard not to do something I'll regret man
if you think those look just as much like the original wwd rex in coloration as the new wwd rex I really think you're just taking quick glances at everything. Saurian rex is purple for crying out loud.

[fluid inlet]

Yall can’t tell me he doesn’t have a point , come on guys. Yall being unfair 😂

[tough parcel]

Yea very unfair (There's no red here minus the brows, a very common place to put bright colors)

[wind prairie]

none of these look anything like WWD rex, these are all brown or orange.
og wwd was a dark grey with white and red bits around its head and tail and such. That also describes the new one

[zealous ravine]

But that’s such a vague description

[tough parcel]

Where do you see the white and red bits around its head and tail and such

Can you please point to them on the chart

[wind prairie]

no red aside from the brows?
the throat is also the same shade of red that the original had.

[zealous ravine]

Anyways do you think the Azhdarchid is Infernodrakon or a new unpublished species?

[tough parcel]

Jarvis, colorpick

[exotic quest]

Next you’re gonna tell me that the JP3 female raptor is inspired by the og WWD Utahraptor.
You can keep saying inspired but that doesn’t make it more true. It’s different colour schemes altogether. The og WWD rex is dark grey with white patterning, a light grey belly and a red patch on the neck. The new rex is reddish-brown with a wide variety of different accents across the body, and a hint of red on the eyebrows.

[fluid inlet]

Founding vs gualicho

[open compass]

You mean male?

[wind prairie]

here you go

[tough parcel]

The countershaded predator is countershaded...

It's not exactly a hallmark of WWD Rex to have a light underbelly. A white underbelly with a black body, maybe but this is not it chief

[fluid inlet]

Dilo gonna tell me this is Oxalia

[open compass]

This is the best pic of wwd2 rex for now

[exotic quest]

PhP rex also had a red spot on its neck, does that mean it was inspired by og WWD rex?

[wind prairie]

alright how about everything else I pointed out. Being in generally the same areas as the original?

[fluid inlet]

To be honest I think a lot of these Dino films docs take inspiration from each other and references to be fair

[tough parcel]

Countershading is not unique to the WWD rex
Brightly colored brows has been a thing everywhere, it's not special
The red throat is your only hope and there's no clear shot that indicates the throat is a different color from the underbelly due to it being cast in real nasty shadow

[zealous ravine]

Lmao, on a real note tho the fact that these are all meant to be based on specimens currently being worked on and there’s so much emphasis on the babies makes me wonder if there may be a more complete baby spino being prepared

[light osprey]

Just the nastiest of shadows

[wind prairie]

-obviously countershading is in a lot of animals, but that specific ash grey to white transition is in both new and old.
-it is special when you consider that this is a sequel to walking with dinosaurs, and it's also the same shade of red.
-idk how to tell you this but the throat is 200% red.

[exotic quest]

your main point here and with the Triceratops is that it’s a ‘sequel’ to WWD so that means it has to be inspired

[zealous ravine]

Frankly that looks like a compression artifact to me but I could be wrong

[open compass]

It looks good, wdyw
Making them exactly same as wwd1 rex is pretty nonsense

[tough parcel]

That is not at ALL the topic of conversation 💔

[wind prairie]

no it isn't. I already stated the specific similarities earlier #paleontology message

[tough parcel]

Pack it up kids, the argument is worthless

[wind prairie]

if you can't detect a joke I guess it'd line up that you can't see the similarities between the original design and the reboot's

[tough parcel]

Sureee, we'll go with it "being a joke" right?

Anyways, we're finally getting Rex throwing hands with Trike so

[wind prairie]

I literally put the mau grinning emoji why would I be serious
but yes surprisingly t rex vs trike is very rarely done well on screen

[fluid inlet]

Torosaurus owns your hero !

[wind prairie]

last time I remember it being good is dinosaur revolution though idk how realistic it was there. there's the split second ending scene of dinosauria's "the last tyrant" but I wouldn't count that

[fluid inlet]

Big fan of this little bully trike

[exotic quest]

It’s quite surprising that Rex v Trike hasn’t happened more in media, especially for animals that are so well-known

[fluid inlet]

They rather do mega theropod match ups that never happened, and what is more surprising is that we don’t get

Toro vs Trike
Toro vs Rex

[wind prairie]

toro vs trike would be so so so peak 🔥

also I'd like to claim this docu as a whole is taking more inspiration from itself outside of just those 2 examples
pachyrhino's scenes (and even some others for that matter) look like they're shot in a very similar way to the wwd movie (only some of them)

[tulip gyro]

da vividen🗣️

[wind prairie]

if someone called this "father vs son" I think I would hit them

[fluid inlet]

It’s more like Legend Vs Legend

[hallow spear]

This Adam estimate is pure bs lol

[tulip gyro]

father vs son

[fluid inlet]

Damn this little guy really does want to fight everyone

[tough parcel]

Erm Stego...Vividen talks with paleontologists...I don't see you with a size estimate...

[fluid inlet]

No inspiration huh 👀

[prime mist]

What this, LET's see who knows 😈

[pliant cedar]

some kind of pliosaur

[wind prairie]

oh YOOOO

[pliant cedar]

is this the new wwd

[prime mist]

Sachisaurus

[pliant cedar]

nice

[steady rock]

is the new wwd set only in the cretascous?

[velvet burrow]

Except for the Lusotitan episode yes

[wind prairie]

all of it except 1 jurassic episode lol

[steady rock]

if a 2020+ dinosaur documentry goes to the jurassic or triassic, it dies....

[hardy sentinel]

Why is the frill itself spiked instead of having little knobs?

[tough parcel]

Baby Trikes had very pronounced frill spikes that were eventually reabsorbed (to varying degrees) in the adults

So even if the adults had small knobs, it's not illegal especially if we assume the keratin was kept around after the bone core was reabsorbed

[light osprey]

Perhaps to form the keratinous sheath that covered all of the trikotops skull

[zealous ravine]

Lmao

Tho that does remind me of a video by YDAW where he proposes a very interesting idea that titanosaurs resorbed the bone in their osteoderms to get calcium to form eggshells as they couldn’t afford to weaken their skeleton due to their size

[balmy oyster]

Adam is absolutely not that big

Similar sized skull to MOR 981 but that specimen is not around 11/12 tons at all

[balmy oyster]

This doesn’t make sense, they didn’t lay giant eggs and I don’t think they laid eggs every other week or something. (Or maybe they did who knows)

[balmy oyster]

Was there a study done on this? This is the first time I have heard this

[tough parcel]

You'd find it by Horner 🤗

[balmy oyster]

Oh.

[tough parcel]

Yea iirc it was used in support of his "Toroceratops" theory

I'll see where it's originally listed

[zealous ravine]

Most animals draw from their bones to create calcium for their eggshells, but the idea is that sauropods had grown so large and the air sacs had made their bones so thin that they couldn’t afford to do so, and it explains why titanosaurs have an unusual spongy texture on the inside, as if they were being absorbed from within

[balmy oyster]

So it’s most likely not as plausible anymore, considering we have enough evidence proving torosaurus as a distinct species & preservation bias being a thing

[tough parcel]

This is where the medullary bone comes in

And no, it's an observed occurance but it just didn't lead to Torosaurus

[drifting arch]

Liopleurodon or Kronosaurus

[subtle solar]

I love my boy Ed regalis 👏👏👏

[stiff osprey]

They could lay more eggs (or more often) than other dinosaurs if they had additional calcium reserves in the osteoderms

But i moreso think it's so they could keep reproducing during harsh seasons

[frigid delta]

WWD gonna gave us Spino vs Carcha, does this mean we got to have Theropod's brutality again or?

[balmy oyster]

I wasn’t aware of things like this, that’s pretty cool honestly

[opaque kayak]

Would be cool

[cloud badger]

But my question is why would they need to have a reserve ?
Y'all seem to forget the t rex can break bones and eat them
That's a huge source of calcium right there just eat up some bones after each meal and he'll have all the calcium hell ever need

[compact leaf]

this is regarding sauropods not rex, the reserve calcium would be stored in sauropod osteoderms

[balmy oyster]

Where did you get tyrannosaurus from.

[jagged trellis]

the marrow sucking camarasaurus strikes again

[twilit bough]

Shunosaurus was actually the top predator of its ecosystem I’ll have you know

[balmy oyster]

Titanomachaya was the true predator of carnotaurus

[wind prairie]

there's probably at least one herbivoscaler out there that thinks this

[balmy oyster]

Over 8 billion people; at least one shuno predator believer

[zealous ravine]

Yang was like bigger than Shuno

[steady rock]

i love the vers wiki because you can just find a match up where a dinosaur gets lit up by a gta character

[balmy oyster]

No it wasn’t

Actually maybe the smaller species, iirc if it was 3/4 tons then it and yang would’ve been about the same sizes

[zealous ravine]

Was gonna say, I’d be surprised if Shuno was heavier, that said, I can’t find a single size estimate for the species that actually coexisted with Shuno

[wind prairie]

unironically though.
If people believe ceratopsians were active predators, then yeah

[steady rock]

why dosent the big shuno just eat the smaller shuno

[zealous ravine]

Side note, it’s sick how much we know about Yang, it’s one of the most unique megatheropods imo

I rlly need to get the PNSO Yang

[wind prairie]

it's sad cause yang gets sidelined so badly. I can't think of one doc it has appeared in

[steady rock]

sinraptor or yang, pick one

[zealous ravine]

Yang, the cool species of Sinraptor prolly isn’t even Sinraptor

[molten shore]

Many herbivores would eat meat ONLY though in desperate situations. Like if they were starving to death. Now they did eat more bones/shells for calcium. But pure meat wise very rarely. Only if they were desperate enough. Even then they wouldn’t hunt. It would mainly be scavenging a carcass

[balmy oyster]

Sinraptor, Yang is cool but sinraptor is also really cool

[balmy oyster]

(They really wouldn’t.)

[steady rock]

claim/theory that i made

stegosaurids started out in asia, went to europe and came to america through the landbridge connecting the two

how possible is my theory?

or vise versa, either or

[molten shore]

What makes you sure of that. We’ve recorded modern herbivores doing that. What would make herbivorous Dinosaurs not to eat meat in desperation to purely survive?

[balmy oyster]

It’s not that they won’t, it’s how people like you treat it as a definite fact that they would definitely do this 100% no questions asked.

Just because a horse and a deer on YouTube ate small birds does not mean hadrosaurs will go out of their way to feast on another dinosaur carcass.

[fluid inlet]

I’ll wait for the paper to come out and take their word for it if it isn’t or is

[steady rock]

i would if i had salt and a knife

[balmy oyster]

Even by glancing at the mount it does not look to be a 10 - 12 ton animal

[molten shore]

I was just trying to bridge the two answers that yes they would eat meat. Only though in very desperate times. Like very long prolonged times without vegetation.

[balmy oyster]

it should be "no they would not eat meat.* BUT depending on if the animal is ill or starved it could potentially as a last resort"

[hallow spear]

Probably unlikely given we do not know where they originated at all, if trackways are anything to go by then the oldest we have are from Europe

[steady rock]

ooh alright, thanl you for informing me!

[fluid inlet]

T. rex killer

[twilit bough]

Surely they would win no dif

[fluid inlet]

Spinosaurus always looks good blue

[dire latch]

wdym

[twilit bough]

Baby trike solos adult T. rex because herbivore bias meme

[dire latch]

Pretty sure an unhatched trike no diffs fully grown t rex

[fluid inlet]

They’d easily solo a acrocanthosaurus for sure

[twilit bough]

https://tenor.com/view/idfk-gif-3761179052566277881

[fluid inlet]

Colossal be like we brought back the Tasmanian Tiger

[twilit bough]

Not the numbat

[manic grail]

As far as i understood the new dire wolves are just normal wolves that have some of dire wolf dna?

[wintry sluice]

Not even that, theyre grey wolves with certain genes edited to make them somewhat resemble dire wolves

[prime mist]

Lio

[pliant cedar]

some of those genes were present in dire wolves tho

and if it has the base sequence of dire wolf dna, it IS dire wolf dna, no matter where the source was

[dire latch]

hi

[pliant cedar]

me watching another ytber i like hop on the dire wolf bandwagon

[fluid inlet]

Can’t blame Joe Rogan he brings a lot of people on , the guy was feeding him direct bs

[pliant cedar]

not addressing him directly

anyone who goes to joe rogan as a source of scientific knowledge is an idiot

[drifting arch]

Eyyyy

[cloud badger]

Sorry man it was 4 am I was smelling colors
But now that you say it I mean they'd probably do so but I don't think that will stop them from using bone calcium too

[balmy oyster]

fair enough, been there too lol

cool to think of osteoderms possibly being for defense when younger, and as the animal matures it looses/utilizes them for other things

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/EzwXnxqV1lQ?si=LhrF8wf-Ya14Ae_P

[cloud badger]

On the topic of tasmanian tiger there is this chanel that that believe there are still out there (no concrete proof yet but I like to look at the camera footage he posts which is interesting I think even if we don't see a tiger in them)

[pliant cedar]

forrest galante?

his footage was fake, it was found to be stolen from some guy who made a model of a thylacine

[fluid inlet]

I know you , we been here before….

[cloud badger]

No that's not the dude I'ma talking just some random on yt that gives actual thermal camera footage videos
And while there is still no tigers we see lots of interesting animals in there

This guy
I don't know if he'll achieve what he wants but it's actually fun to watch

[pliant cedar]

i see

that thylacoleo goal tho.....
brother's quest will never end

[halcyon cobalt]

Behold, a reptile!

[short river]

❗

[pliant cedar]

ankylosaurus

[halcyon cobalt]

mononychus

[manic grail]

me

[scenic flame]

I mean, you can. It's HIS show and he constantly just believing everything he hears or wants to hear.

[frigid delta]

has there been a genus by the name "Omnisaurus?"

[scenic flame]

no but apparently the isle has something like that in it's soundtracks

[cloud badger]

imagine if he finds both and he's like
THE THYLACOLEO ,THE THYLACOLEO IS REAL

[pliant cedar]

damn
it will get hunted into extinction anyway

[cloud badger]

I wanna bet that it just accidentally dies by swallowing straws

[umbral kite]

how are we doing today my fellow dinolover

[frigid delta]

forget abt dire wolves, can we bring Kauai O'O back???

[cloud badger]

Doing fine
@frigid delta I mean they could try but cloning birds ain't that easy apparently

[orchid rain]

Hi

[umbral kite]

hi

[orchid rain]

So what is happening?

[umbral kite]

Nothing i knew about so im just wishing tarbosaurus became relevant again

[orchid rain]

Tell me about tarbosaurus

[fluid inlet]

He’s better than the dinosaur in your profile picture

[umbral kite]

while it the only tyranniuird iirc to have jawlocking but it is smaller than other theropods in it area at the time it still could win

[tough parcel]

Alioramus

[umbral kite]

ai?

[pliant cedar]

yes
ai is not taking over the world

[primal ice]

Everybody knows accurate trex wins against spino idk what this is trying to tell me

[pliant cedar]

EIGHT spinos.

[primal ice]

That to but 2 should at least do good against rex 8 tho is just over kill groups of course can out number 1

[pliant cedar]

the ai thinks the rex wins

[fluid inlet]

Which Dino

[pliant cedar]

carcha?

[primal ice]

Well it rex does if it in the right place or area it's in remember spinos aren't very fat then rex

[pliant cedar]

i aint even gonna argue about this lol

[primal ice]

Hey its just depends on the situation I'm not arguing

[umbral kite]

yea it would take out one or two not all of them

[fluid inlet]

Just decided to draw and use pen 🖊️ so I didn’t use any references just wanted to see if I can use the pen instead of the pencil and not be worried about making mistakes

[pliant cedar]

even 1 is out of the question
they would tear it to shreds the moment it did anything lol

[primal ice]

Anything can kill anything small weak big or strong kinda don't matter in my opinion just is their experience in combat that would make a difference

[low raven]

Even if it was surrounded it bites one on the head or neck it’s taking one out with it

[pliant cedar]

[umbral kite]

Good for u but u could sketch with pencil then after the sketch looks like u want use pen

[primal ice]

It's trex it's just built different its very agile to turn has a strong bit it's chunky and has good visions it has something in its feet that make it quite to sneak attack its really just trex not to mention they think they hunt in groups

[pliant cedar]

alr ig

[umbral kite]

also if there 8 spino y would a trex want to fight that many that would be to risky for it

[primal ice]

Ya I'm just gonna say this Ik goji center isn't the best but these are animals well were their not stupid when it comes to survival

[umbral kite]

wat

[fluid inlet]

I purposely didn’t , I do always sketch with pencil first but I like to really challenge myself sometimes

[umbral kite]

👍

[primal ice]

Horrible at English I ment their just animals they now alot of experience in survival death hunger thirst growing tbh his argument could still stand it just the animals experience in life and how they grow up to understand it I hope this made more sense

[haughty current]

Does anyone know of any groups that publish studies of dinosaurs and paleontology? I would like to be well informed before debating on any social network.

[pliant cedar]

im part of a server that gives links to papers quite often

[haughty current]

Nice

[cloud badger]

War thunder ?
Oh wait that one is not for dinosaurs

[wind prairie]

no because that name kinda sucks

[hardy sentinel]

You know what I hate

People who think reptile is a descriptive term, because it ends up leaving most dinosaurs out

[wind prairie]

I mean feathers are scales so that checks
they lay eggs so that checks

[magic wolf]

fellow bone nerds, is this humerus a deer's?

[umbral kite]

is it the size of ur hands

[cloud badger]

Most birds precisely

[dry kindle]

IS the crest on E.regalis soft like a chicken's crest or keratinized?

[magic wolf]

lil bigger

[umbral kite]

ok now where did u find it a forest or wat becuase most like it is a deer femur iirc

[cloud badger]

I believe it's either from the rare and mysterious gallus gallus domesticus or the elusive Oryctolagus cuniculus domesticus

[magic wolf]

i know you're jokin, but i highly doubt it's avian. and if it were a rabbit... that's one big rabbit

[cloud badger]

I thought I was a chicken leg because the video made it look small

[plucky basin]

keratinized

[hardy sentinel]

I really wish we saw more of the Tyrannosaurus life cycle in Prehistoric Planet, all we got was courtship, some hunting, and hardly what you could call parental behavior. I wanted to see a sub-adult Rex chasing down and Ornithomimid

[fluid inlet]

I mean you can say the same for a lot of the dinosaurs that were featured

[fluid inlet]

https://dailygalaxy.com/2025/03/dinosaur-cells-survived-68-million-years

we back

[twilit bough]

Time for Colossal T. rex

[steady rock]

how light would a theropod have to be to jump/get off the ground a good distance?

or better question, whats the heaviest therapod that could jump?

[pliant cedar]

probably around 3 tons
theropods are much more lightly built than large mammals, so the cutoff for jumping is much higher

[pliant cedar]

no chance
the only ones i can think of happening are dromaeosaurs, troodontids and avialans

[fluid inlet]

It might be old but this is still good

[hardy sentinel]

That's true, but Tyrannosaurus is much more unique than most of the dinosaurs shown lifecycle wise as Tyrannosaurus niche shifts throughout it's life and is the most studied in that sense

[steady rock]

how possible would you say this is?

[wind prairie]

I didn't think about that
but still 3 tons seems like much

[wind prairie]

nope.
now that nanotyrannus is real this isn't really the case anymore

[sudden wind]

Soft

[lilac hornet]

I can't believe I live in a world where I can no longer meme on nanotyrannus cause it's actually valid now

[stiff osprey]

Nanotyrannus is so cool though

Tyrannosaur that can fit through your door and run you down at relativistic speeds while still having the relative bite force of its larger cousins and sharper, more numerous teeth

[keen yew]

Is it actually valid now?

[stiff osprey]

It isn't consensus but there is increasing evidence in its favor

[mossy patrol]

wait so it's possible that Tyrannosaurus didn't occupy multiple niches throughout its lifespan?

[stiff osprey]

The juveniles were still more long legged and had narrower teeth than the adults. But even if the babies were identical to the adults, they'd still have different niches due to sheer size (a baby rex can't possibly hunt the same prey as an adult)

Juvenile Tarbo for reference

[mossy patrol]

yes I understand that. I should have clarified what I meant better, that's my mistake. I know Tyrannosaurus is believed to change a lot as it grows older, like becoming a lot bulkier. and because of that, younger Tyrannosaurus would out-compete any mid-sized theropods in its ecosystem?

[keen yew]

The fabled hell creek alioramine is real

[stiff osprey]

It's very unlikely that juvenile rex would outcompete all other predators in its size range. All modern ecosystems (that have not been destroyed by human action) have more than one medium sized predator as well as small ones and apexes

This was also the case for tyrannosaur dominated ecosystems (Daspletosaurus lived with Gorgosaurus, Tarbosaurus lived with Alioramus, Zhuchengtyrannus lived with a yet unnamed tyrannosaur)

[mossy patrol]

I see. thank you for the explanation.

[compact leaf]

most ecosystems have multiple mesopredators so it’s very much still a thing (oops random already explained it)

[orchid rain]

Hi

[fluid inlet]

Bye

[zealous ravine]

Even Qianzh has teeth of a much larger tyrannosaur iirc

[stiff osprey]

The legendary nanxiong glupshitto

[compact leaf]

Glupshittotyrannus if you will

[orchid rain]

Hi

[lavish frigate]

Dire wolf paper has dropped, go yee weary children and partake

[light osprey]

The juvenus rex, nanus, and Dakotaraptor all coexisting in harmony 🤗

[low raven]

Link

[lavish frigate]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.04.09.647074v1

[zealous ravine]

My personal conspiracy theory is that Asiatyrannus is a juvenile of that lmfao, I get it’s maybe unlikely tho

[balmy oyster]

It’s still possible just that there is now a version that stays forever smaller

[balmy oyster]

Definitely unlikely, afaik it’s confirmed to be almost fully grown

[zealous ravine]

Yeah that’s the consensus

[frigid delta]

what abt Seasaltsaurus?

Invinciblesaurus?

[dire latch]

Guess who's finally getting his powers

[frigid delta]

Areyousuresaurus

[balmy oyster]

I’msolonelytyrannus

[plucky basin]

youmightaswellgiveupimtitlecardoraptor

[outer tusk]

Is the keratin about right for these rexes I did?

[steady rock]

how good of jumpers would therapods have been?

[steady rock]

would any dinosaur need to sleep standing up? i know horses and cattle do it for a reaosn i forgot, i feel sauropods might?

[light oxide]

Not sure how to read the left graphs, exactly. Is it just showing which gene the dire wolf shared in comparison?

[lavish frigate]

I’m not sure, I haven’t been able to read it yet

Also no way this happened lol

[light oxide]

Odd -- is the link still working for ye to the article?

[lavish frigate]

Oh no I just meant I haven’t had time to read it, not that it’s not working

Wait, no it’s not working actually

[zealous ravine]

Honestly I could see it for than like Chilesurus that has traits of a bunch of different groups

[light oxide]

That was what my question was more towards lol.

[lavish frigate]

Sorry lol

[light oxide]

Luckily, I already downloaded the PDF of the article. Want me to send it here?

[wind prairie]

I mean the name has a sensible meaning, I just mean it sounds weird.
Like, omni would go better with literally anything but saurus

[frigid delta]

Nolansaurus

[zealous ravine]

Omnidens moment

[light oxide]

Okay, here's the PDF to the paper about the Dire Wolf reassignment.

[stiff osprey]

basically canid phylogeny is a giant soup of hybridization and the direwolf is related to everything at the same time

[fossil ingot]

Quite the Yap tbh

Cinema eI guess

[compact leaf]

horses and cattle do it as a way to escape predators faster if need be, with really deep sleep only happening if they feel comfortable enough to lay down, but they also have special physical traits to lock their knees like that

[light oxide]

Judging by this, it would seem like genetically speaking, the dire wolf seems be similar to a mix of a descendant of the african wild dog, and the descendant of the maned wolf. Unless I'm reading this wrong, which I very could be.

[light oxide]

Nvm, I think I'm reading this wrong lmao

[fluid inlet]

🔥

lol

[rich vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-2-triceratops-fighting-battle-locking-horns-gif-14217640393251658438

[fluid inlet]

He got next

[manic grail]

I think i could beat a trike 1v1 irl

[wind prairie]

maybe if you're cracked enough

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/tomholtzpaleo/status/1910380105362202727?s=46

Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. 🦖💕 (he/him) (@TomHoltzPaleo) on X

@TM9380 There are a lot of intentional callbacks and homages to the original and to WWD3D. Some folks were complaining that the models weren't simply updates of the original. Instead, the choice was made to make cinematic callbacks.

X · Apr 10, 2025, 5:11 PM

[wind prairie]

I thought so. I recognized some of the shots, like the albertosaurus catching the quetz
but look... now they're saying they took inspiration from the MOVIE. Which is more obscure and less good than the original documentary.. is it that hard to believe a couple designs are based on the originals from 1999

[fluid inlet]

I thought you made some very fair points I don’t see why you got ragged on like that lol

[exotic quest]

I’ll believe it when I see it

[balmy oyster]

ngl the movie without the terrible voice acting was peak, thankfully versions of it with documentary-like narration only exist and it's perfect

[fluid inlet]

Big dawg

[fossil ingot]

Gorgon was Peak, I love him

[fluid inlet]

When you trying to draw Giga but it looks more like acro 💀

[balmy oyster]

close enough

[fluid inlet]

It’s acro now because I already marked in on the neck I know what I did wrong tho

[pliant cedar]

so they were right about white fur ig

[balmy oyster]

apparently, this was meant to be "Nanuqsaurus"

[bitter quest]

Yeah it's actually nanuqsaurus since gorgosaurus wasn't found in Alaska, it was thought to be before they found out it wasnt a valid gorgosaurus species

Same situation with 'giganotosaurus' in walking with dinosaurs, chased by dinosaurs, which is actually mapusaurus. At that time they just assumed it was a giganotosaurus until someone actually decided to take a look at it and found out it was its own genus

[balmy oyster]

the narrated version calls it nanuqsaurus

[pliant cedar]

what ive gathered from the dire wolf paper is that dire wolves share quite a few genes with other canids

and that a canid diverged from wild dogs is likely its ancestor? Either that or a cross between maned wolves and a canid related to wild dogs

and also that the ancestor of grey wolves gets a few genes from dire wolves

so overall interbreeding was very prevalent, and so a justification for white fur?
and also canids are a giant hybrid cesspool

[bitter quest]

Have cursed cheeked allosaurus paleoart

[patent mist]

An ancestor that wild dogs split off of interbred with mained wolves which created a new species which went on to hybridize with the ancestor of both grey wolves and coyotes. This means dire wolves are a case of reticulate evolution

[pliant cedar]

yeah

[patent mist]

To be fair the dire wolf samples were apparently from glacial areas and not la brea. not sure how authentic the coat is, but there is a chance the ones sampled were atleast light colored

[pliant cedar]

so it may just be selection pressure from their environment rather than ancestry

[patent mist]

Grey wolves vary a lot based on where they live. It's very possible dire wolves did the same. Especially if they have grey wolf DNA in them

[lilac hornet]

the funny thing is this was posted before the new cheeks paper cause i remember looking through and finding this from years ago

[pliant cedar]

very cool

i am still sceptical tho, considering the literal author of game of thrones is one of their big investors

wait no

[patent mist]

They probably modified the color.

[pliant cedar]

yeah
so they modified it to get some clout from game of thrones, but its technically feasible due to local variation

[lilac hornet]

good post that goes over a lot of misconceptions and stuff

https://xcancel.com/jgn_paleo/status/1909800784084320685?s=61&t=CdSkoh5uEqSQN2zcDiEViw

[pliant cedar]

i am still kinda sceptical about this point
even if its an old show at this point its still incredibly well known

[lilac hornet]

I mean i agree but also i don't think that was the main point they were aiming for regarding the color

[pliant cedar]

and considering how quickly people associated it with game of thrones kind of shows how much the white fur is associated with it, regardless of how many of them were actually white

[pliant cedar]

yeah, i think either it wasnt intentional and they are just happy to get clout
or it was but they can argue that its still scientifically feasible and so isnt just clout chasing

by intentional i mean making them similar to the white dire wolf in GOT

[lilac hornet]

the GOT advertising certainly didn't help either way and was probably not the best choice in the end cause if it WASN'T intended they sure made it seem intended

im still up in the air on if i think it was or not, could go either way like you said

[pliant cedar]

yeah, ultimately we cant be sure

but at the end of the day we can just be hopeful that they are using the funds for conservation in the future

[frigid delta]

Tapir cloning when?

[cloud badger]

So from what I understand
Great grandpa dire wolf was born before his nefew canines but one of his son diddire wolf really liked them petite and young so he ended up effecting the wolf lineage too of something

[hardy sentinel]

"liked them petite and young" 💀

[cloud badger]

Diddire wolf must be stopped😔

[fluid inlet]

Ceratopsian victims

[frigid delta]

ceratopsians WAS their victims

[fluid inlet]

Ceratopsians WAS their victimizer

[distant ore]

Ceratopsians when they get hunted by smaller predators:

[distant ore]

perhaps sometimes, but they were still their prey items and would likely run rather than fighting back

[outer tusk]

One paleoart means this happen all the time ( trust )

[distant ore]

ceratopsian glaze will not be tolerated

[fluid inlet]

Yes 1000% of the time trust

[pliant cedar]

ceratopsians when their predator ambushes them from behind

[fluid inlet]

Cetatopsians when they get ambushed but still have great turn radius 😎

[halcyon cobalt]

who’s got that one comparison between a ceratopsian and it’s resident tyrannosaurid, and the ceratopsian is like ankle height

[fluid inlet]

https://i.etsystatic.com/13682355/r/il/d216c0/4136318312/il_1080xN.4136318312_3v5n.jpg

[pliant cedar]

not necessarily

if the tyrannosaur is able to bite its legs (which it would likely do in an ambush, it could reduce its mobility)

there is also no guarantee that the ceratopsian doesnt get spooked and runs

but yeah, a lot of ceratopsians were definately food in an ambush

[frigid delta]

Ceratopsians when brutal theropods:

[cloud badger]

Do y'all ever think that to compensate for the slow ahh speed t rex just attacked in group
Like 3 would take an isolated trike and come close till one gets the opportunity to bite

[halcyon cobalt]

T. Rex really wasn’t that slow actually

[pliant cedar]

like with buffalo
they dont always charge at the lion, they run

and yeah tyrannosaurids were fast, and rex was fast for its size, due to proportionally longer legs and a longer tibia than its femur

[fluid inlet]

Stop glazing

[frigid delta]

Rex is abt 21-25km/h iirc i wouldn't call that slow

[halcyon cobalt]

the slow hulking tyrannosaurianid vs the sleek fast and nimble carcharodontosaurianid

[pliant cedar]

im not glazing, this is just fact

most modern herbivores will choose to run if the opportunity is available, which would also be the case for ceratopsians, especially if they were somewhat social

even buffalo which can easily kill a lion will usually run if they see one trying to ambush the herd, and will often only turn round to fight it off if running is no longer an option

[cloud badger]

That's high end estimate tho it's likely more towards 16km/h Wich is similar to larger preys but you expect a solo predator to be at least fast enough for mid sized prey
@halcyon cobalt this should be drawn in a soyjack vs Chad format

[halcyon cobalt]

soy jack

[pliant cedar]

this isnt an arguement for anything, if i showed u a picture of trex killing a trike it doesnt mean that trex destroyed triceratops

[fluid inlet]

Because it didn’t , we don’t lose

[frigid delta]

Compy solos both

[rancid dove]

"revenge little bro"

[pliant cedar]

ur just showing me paleoart , it isnt evidence for anything

[cloud badger]

I find it funny that trike necks is the perfect size for the trex to have the perfect bite angle for maximum output (my source is the high level glaze I'm on right now)
@frigid delta technically correct since compy could just spread diseases like a rat

[pliant cedar]

compy would get stepped on before it could kill anything with disease

[fluid inlet]

I wonder if there was any venomous dinosaurs

[halcyon cobalt]

probably

[cloud badger]

Try catching a rat you'll regret trying
I once had to hunt one like my ancestors did with a broom instead of a spear
Never felt so ounga bounga

[pliant cedar]

maybe, we havent found any yet
they wouldnt really have any selective advantage for having it

so either its very rare or just didnt happen

there are some poisonous dinosaurs around today tho

[halcyon cobalt]

did the rat give you the plague or something

[fluid inlet]

Have we ever found anything that was venomous that has already been extinct for a while now ? Might just be a fossilization issue

[pliant cedar]

compies arent rats

[frigid delta]

what even the hell happened to Sinonirtho's venom?

[pliant cedar]

snakes
monitor lizards
venom is just a rare trait amongst animals with a decently fast metabolism, because there isnt really much benefit to having it when u can just run down and kill the prey

also @frigid delta the venom thing was entire speculative, the only evidence was grooves in the teeth

[frigid delta]

Dilo spit 😈

[honest cobalt]

Is there any evidence or sauropods having these? Also the dreadnaughtus ones on its neck from prehistoric planet?

[pliant cedar]

no
the dreadnoughtus thing is apparently quite dubious because it might mean that the animals lungs are basically expanding out of its neck

this nose thing is fine in terms of speculation

[cloud badger]

Do you think one of them created poison in their armpits and then licked it making there bite poisonous?
@halcyon cobalt I mean i gave it to the Cats they enjoyed it

[fluid inlet]

Yeah that’s very true but over 100s of million years I reckon something had to fill that niche and was doing it. At least that’s what I reckon. There isn’t really nothing new under the sun , rare or not.

[frigid delta]

entire speculative
we do know sauropods have air sacs like birds, but we don't even know if they're inflatable or not

[halcyon cobalt]

the malignant venomous sedentary ankylosaurid

[distant ore]

It's worth mentioning in nature most herbivores just die when they get caught by a predator, it is not likely that they'll fight back and they'd rather run. Plus if there is a herbivore in the ecosystem it is very very very unlikely that it was safe from predators

[frigid delta]

and then there's Dinosaurs
they're dead 😐

[pliant cedar]

dont really see why they would

some mightve been poisonous as a virtue of their diet tho

since you ARE what you eat

also @main musk there were probably venomous reptiles around at the same time of the dinosuars, they just probably werent dinosaurs

Likely lizards, snakes or some other squamate/ lepidosaur

[distant ore]

not all of them, birds are still alive

[cloud badger]

Not all birds mine was alive before it was chicken wings

[frigid delta]

not to mention last time i remember Mosasaurs (cmiiw) has a possibility of Monitor's venoms

[halcyon cobalt]

isn’t that only cause phylogenetic bracketing

[fluid inlet]

He means non avian obviously

[pliant cedar]

pretty much
its not a very strong arguement but there is a chance, no matter how slight

although there is no evidence in most of the genera so it is highly unlikely

but that one primate being venomous when no other primate is (slow lorise) proves that venom can evolve even if the rest of the family doesnt have it

[frigid delta]

you don't see that

[halcyon cobalt]

I don’t buy a large active predator like mosasaurus relying venom much tbh

[fluid inlet]

Yeah it would definitely not need it

[distant ore]

I don't think it is necesary for it to rely on venom

[pliant cedar]

wouldnt need it
so i also doubt it

but then again, monitor lizards themselves are also quite active and still use it

but then again 99% of monitors arent apex predators
the komodo is pretty much the ONLY properly large monitor compared to mammalian predators

[halcyon cobalt]

rumble in his trike glaze arc

[fluid inlet]

Lmao chill

[cloud badger]

Komodos do use it to conserve energy maybe lausa was not good a chasing thing and relied of this kind of strategy with larger and faster prey

[pliant cedar]

yeah, because its prey is often larger than itself

Mosa was usually much larger than its prey, and could just kill it with a well placed bite to the neck, so no point waiting for venom

[halcyon cobalt]

wasn’t there a whole php segment on how fast mosasaurus was

[frigid delta]

PhP forest episode gave us Trikes eating clay to take care poisonous plants they just eat
does this mean Trike eats crayons?

[fluid inlet]

Yes

https://youtu.be/Hl6Lj2fAuGM?si=LiJX1F59IhDiX4sa @honest cobalt kill this slow mode 😭

[cloud badger]

Was it long run speed or short run speed cause komodos are fast for like 5 second

[halcyon cobalt]

sometimes 5 seconds is all you need

[fluid inlet]

Man I wish they would rework this ocean in path already so we could get Tylosaurus , idc about microraptor

[pliant cedar]

yeah, the ocean scene is dead, and tbh i dont even think leed and tylo are going to help

outside of those its just, eurhino and kai, which are both insanely boring

So ur just left with a giant filter feeder and an apex predator with next to no aquatic prey

[fluid inlet]

The ocean re work will help but they will need a lot more fully aquatics, Ichthyotitan when

[cloud badger]

How about they just make more rêver ways could help creating hits spot for them

[pliant cedar]

apparently titanovenator is a diplodocid now
is it true

[scenic flame]

source?

[pliant cedar]

heard from a guy who heard from a guy

nvm nvm
i didnt know we had a skull, which kinda defeats that arguement

[exotic quest]

I was about to say

[frigid delta]

ah yes
the skull of a diplodocid

[pliant cedar]

trust
its a new clade of carnivorous sauropods

[exotic quest]

would be interesting ngl

[pliant cedar]

yeah

[halcyon cobalt]

it is a known fact that sauropods supplemented their diet with a high proportion of living flesh, as is seen in modern herbivores…

[exotic quest]

well yes of course
but they weren’t obligate carnivores

[pliant cedar]

the savage alamosaurus stalks its prey...

[ashen wedge]

This is interesting

[zealous ravine]

They literally explicitly said, in that tweet, that they chose to not reference the og for the designs

[fluid inlet]

Me stalking Alamosaurus

[cloud badger]

Quick question
How can they ?
Do they like bend over or like catch flyers mid air or do they pick it up with their tail ?
I have a hard time picturing one of those giant long ahh neck sauropod picking something from the ground in a way that isn't funny

[native kindle]

its really funny when people can't detect obvious satire

[fluid inlet]

wut

[steady rock]

team triceratops or team torosaurus

[lilac hornet]

triceratops, torosaurus makes me mad to look at

i do not like that round frill, makes it look like someone drew a trike from memory after head trauma

[exotic quest]

team or

[severe yew]

One of the best dinosaur museums in the world.

Alberta, Canada. 🇨🇦

https://youtu.be/xTK4JU4yimA?feature=shared

[steady rock]

torosaurus is approaching in 10 minutes.

[sudden wind]

I prefer Torosaurus

[wind flume]

Ladies and Gentlemen meet Spined-Zilla

[hardy sentinel]

Since we're going through a mass extinction right now, are we gonna enter a new epoch or period if this extinction event continues? I don't know much about these types of subjects as I mostly study just life on earth and what periods they live in, not how a period changes

What I do know though is that periods usually change with mass extinctions, but I don't know about epochs

[cloud badger]

Technically were in a new period mass extinctions already happened

[fossil ingot]

Toro

[fluid inlet]

that frill looks awesome idk what you on about.

[lilac hornet]

nah looks dumb to me but because you're a triceratops i will respect your opinion on the matter 🍷

[fluid inlet]

lmao , He still my cousin dumb or not (toro ) 💀

[faint salmon]

What dinosaur is this

[native kindle]

retro agustinia

[opaque kayak]

Walking With Dinosaurs 2025 Skeletal Comparison

[winter marsh]

talking about spinosaurus in the big 87 🐻 🍕 🟣

[frosty cedar]

I'm just glad spinosaurus is in a big name documentary again, and looks pretty much like I expected. That's all I really needed.

[fluid inlet]

You will see spinosaurus a lot this year and not just from WWD2

[frosty cedar]

Although this shot does have a lot of Jurassic Fight Club stench, which is kinda meh.

[opaque kayak]

Same

[frosty cedar]

Is Ibrahim going to release the paper?

[tulip dove]

Reminds me of the shot in JW Dominion where the Giga and Theri face each other, just flipped

[frosty cedar]

Also, maybe Prehistoric Planet spoiled me (very likely), but quality is kinda looking subpar. Almost reeking of 2009-2010. Maybe it's just the screenshot, but the trailer also has this issue with very inconsistent cgi.

[fluid inlet]

I reckon

[tough parcel]

Two apex predators are fighting

Why is this being said like it's a bad thing 💀

[frosty cedar]

I want my mole spinosaurus with comically large digger forearms.

[fluid inlet]

One thing about fish is that they have always been cool regardless of the era

[opaque kayak]

Man I wish he wasn't downsized

[frosty cedar]

It's not bad, it's just this frame has a similar vibe.

[fluid inlet]

Still huge

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, it's still pretty much car sized. How much does it weigh tho?

[opaque kayak]

I'm not sure, but man is he big

[manic grail]

A bit less than me

[fluid inlet]

Bro looks like he from the future but he’s from the past

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sauropedia/images/1/1f/Mawsonia.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190408095229

[manic grail]

Such a cool fish

[tough parcel]

Isn't this the South American species 💔

[frosty cedar]

That must be a wild future.

[sudden wind]

Better reconstruction. Most people never get Mawsonia's head right 🥀

[sullen swallow]

Please avoid video and/or gif spam in here, and remain on topic, thank you!

[manic grail]

What do you think of this fish?

[fluid inlet]

Answer his question

[wind prairie]

we are not doing this again.
they said the new ones looked "nothing like" the original to reassure that the new docu was accurate, they never said they didn't take any inspiration in colors.

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-smile-happy-gif-12618427

[exotic quest]

You can definitely take from them saying that the new designs are “nothing like” the original as them not taking any design inspiration whatsoever, from models to colours. They said “cinematic callbacks”, not design callbacks. For now, unless they say or we actually see otherwise, whether you think they are inspired or not is completely subjective.

[cosmic fox]

Diddire wolf was too dangerous, so Colossal made sure their fake dire wolves had white fur

[steady rock]

would allosaurus have had the bite force? lifting strength? to do this to cerato irl?

it was allosaurus maximus

[wind prairie]

ceratosaurus is like only 1 ton so maybe """saurophaganax""" could do it (but I'd imagine maybe to probably not?)

[steady rock]

would it be bite force or lifting strength ?

[bitter quest]

With enough momentum and is large enough then yes

[frigid delta]

https://youtu.be/3h2AyNSAie8?si=rC_WNv5FORwrEuzE

[topaz shell]

Wish I was a titanosaur

[fluid inlet]

Well you ain’t

[viscid surge]

Looks like a 1600lber to me 👍

[jagged crescent]

So after everything was spinosaurus an acctualy good swimmer or was it just a slow predator that caught its prey on the river shore

[frigid delta]

both swimming and catching in the river shore are possible
although i wouldn't call Spino 'slow', tmk Spino swims better than any other theropods, say like Spino is the swimming champion of the theropod
but it swims worse than crocs
regardless, Spino isn't a 'slow' predator just bcuz of its 'nerfs'. i think i remember an article that states Spino's fast walk top speed at abt 18km/h, not sure abt its swimming speed

[jagged crescent]

I think i remember something about it also being able to behave like hippos with its dense bones allowing it to walk on the sea floor

Its a pretty interasting dinosaur but also scary when you think about it something that size that can swimm good in a dark murky and deep river with its unncany apperance makes it like something out of a urban legend

[frigid delta]

fr
those who said "Spino are nerfed" never seen one irl
'nerf' or not, it's still a predator

[fluid inlet]

No one seen a spino irl bestie

[frigid delta]

i did

[frigid delta]

ok joke aside, Spino has every reason why it was in "The Big Three" along with Rex & Giga

[jagged crescent]

The t rex one seems a bit off it should be more like 11 tons if im correct

[scenic flame]

anyone who unironically uses the word "nerf" or "buff" to describe revisions in ourr understanding of these animals isn't to be taken seriously

[jagged crescent]

Most yt shorts creators do shame to think i used to watch them

[outer tusk]

No

[frosty cedar]

Bros think they are reviewing a recent game patch or something.

[pliant cedar]

like the people saying dire wolves got readded to the patch notes

tier zoo and his consequences on society

[cloud badger]

If I'm not wrong it's 7 ton still
@pliant cedar funny how worldbox got a new update at the same time
Wait a minute

[frigid delta]

what does Worldbox has to do with paleontology

[cloud badger]

It got an update at the same time as "dire wolf" news approximately
We might be in a simulation

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/Gkt9EpzZyQ4?si=9w84hRn0kMqaaSZM Neanderthal would whoop all of yall

[cloud badger]

NGL I would Woop a neantheral

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-ok-yeah-sure-sure-alright-nodding-gif-16652091

[cloud badger]

They're overhyped honestly they're just like git long arms and are short and stuff

[scenic flame]

I wish this guy would stop making arguably species-ist videos about other human species

[stiff osprey]

if our ancestors 'would've destroyed us' then why aren't they around anymore

[small geyser]

Unfortunately that’s probably what helps give his videos views.

[pliant cedar]

guns:

[pliant cedar]

he means in like a physical fight

which is also stupid, theres a reason we developed big pointy sticks to throw at things rather than fist fighting

[fluid inlet]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/eberron/images/d/d5/Neanderthal.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190227044315 you wouldn’t stand a chance

[scenic flame]

which would imply that other human species didn't have tools, which is very wrong

[pliant cedar]

yeah
wasnt it smth about like neanderthals forming smaller groups that made them get outcompeted

[cloud badger]

Subspecies not even species they're not that far

[pliant cedar]

anti sapiens sapiens propaganda
although giving ourselves the wise man name is incredible glaze 💔

[scenic flame]

that and inter breeding with our ancestors iirc, it's still uncertain afaik.

the main issue with ExtinctZoo's videos on other human species is how they describe other human species/subspecies as "NOT LIKE US!!!", "THEY WERE MONSTERS!!".
which is extremely problematic since it harkens back to old ###ist ideas about human evolution etc

[fluid inlet]

💀

[cloud badger]

Let's be honest neathertals were better at being hot
Soo much do they went extinct because of it
@pliant cedar not even wise man it's "wise wise man "meaning wiser than wise man ,top tier glaze if I have ever seen it

[pliant cedar]

that video about humans eating other humans
like it was meant to make us cool or smth
i think it was the proto-mag something

[fluid inlet]

I’ve seen a video of orangutan using a stick to catch fish , they runner up

[scenic flame]

I can't say if it's intentional but phrasing and descriptions like this are very dangerous and damaging to the progress we've made with anthropological science

[pliant cedar]

extinct zoo would be the kinda guy to want to bring neanderthals back to use in wrestling matches or smth

[cloud badger]

The sad part is they would have been worse at wrestling
But they'd absolutely demolish at deadlifts and pull up tho

[fluid inlet]

Neanderthal or Devan who wins https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/2022/6/24/c64b9eec-7830-46bc-b603-dc9403dbce54-dsc08048.jpg?w=375&h=563&fit=max&dpr=2

[frigid delta]

any Carnivores nostalgia?

[pliant cedar]

yeah

neanderthals being alive would be quite interesting

[pliant cedar]

i wonder how much ethics would change if they were still around

[cloud badger]

Technically they are

[pliant cedar]

not really
there are humans with neanderthal genes but its a very small percentage of their genome

[manic grail]

Yes i played it as a kid

Back when elevators werent invented yet

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, I don't think Tier Zoo should ever be taken seriously on that matter.

[forest raptor]

Just a quick question what are the current size estimates on eo trike and how do they compare to in game eo a debate starting in path chat that had me wondering this

[pliant cedar]

his channel is great but the annoying comparisons of extinct animals to games was probably an unintended side effect

[solar lotus]

Difficult to tell since there’s nothing that talks abt POT’s eotrike model but the real life Eo was about 9-11 meters

[tulip gyro]

ignore music, dimorphism between male and female saltie

left female, right male

[solar lotus]

Nvm I found smth. Here’s the eotrike model compared to humans

[forest raptor]

Hm alright thank you

[cloud badger]

If yall wanna know it's the male is the big one and the female is the small one thats the difference

[tulip gyro]

Wide mouth, the goat of niles

[warped peak]

Where the Paleo

[cloud badger]

Crocs have survived for billions of years without significant morphological change so technically it's paleo

[tulip gyro]

millions, not billions

[warped peak]

every animal has survived for millions of years without significant morphological change. That's how evolution works, it's quite slow

[cloud badger]

Just imagine it's a deinosuchus

[warped peak]

Deinosuchus is dramatically different from any extant crocodilian

[scenic flame]

No, this is an outdated depiction (and pretty bad even at the time)

IRL eotrike was 7 meters long, the change happened due to eotrike's skull being scaled up with triceratops proportions, where as when it's preserved post-crania was looked at it turned out eotrike was a bobble head even compared to triceratops

[faint salmon]

What dinosaur is this ik its in the triceratops family

[woeful falcon]

Looks like the Styracosaurus from Disney's Dinosaur

Idk if that's what it is, but it looks like it lol. Look at the belly, it usually says what it is there

[elfin pulsar]

This is the old model btw

[solar lotus]

I know lol. I couldn’t find anything with the new model.

[elfin pulsar]

Fair

[outer tusk]

styracosaurus

[faint salmon]

Thank you

[hallow spear]

this isnt even accurate tho

[solar lotus]

I know somebody already corrected me

[fluid inlet]

Scroll up

No lips but they still cooked ngl @stiff osprey @zealous ravine

[lavish frigate]

All my fellas, I have a question

Did pteranodon have a keratinized crest? Because I see it reconstructed like that all the time but I haven’t really done any digging to see

[wind prairie]

no

[zealous ravine]

Yes

[wind prairie]

man pterosaurs are so awesome
I mean look at this thing

[thorn grove]

giraffe but he fly

[hard kernel]

Any info on khinjaria acuta?

[sudden wind]

Nothing outside of the description

[hard kernel]

Ok

[steady rock]

im gonna assume
allosaurus
stegosaurus
pachycephalosaurs
and rex to a extent
are the only creatures to have more then one in real life sub species in game?

[sudden wind]

What

[steady rock]

majority of the sub species in game are fictional, im seeing what all the real life sub species in game are

[thorn grove]

afaik no dinosaur actually has subspecies named

[steady rock]

oh, then what do the 4 allosaurus species count as? just different species of allo?

[thorn grove]

yea those are proper species, idk why they chose to call them subspecies in game

[steady rock]

wait, whats the definition of sub species then?

[thorn grove]

"In biological classification, subspecies (pl.: subspecies) is a rank below species, used for populations that live in different areas and vary in size, shape, or other physical characteristics (morphology), but that can successfully interbreed."

Ignore that many species can also interbreed, but basically it's just a rank below species, kind of like how genus is a rank above

[steady rock]

ohh i think i understand, their just so close to the existing species, that the population is just lumped in with it?

[thorn grove]

basically I guess, usually it's two populations that are too separated to interbreed in the wild but that could if they weren't separated

in reality even classification of extant animals is somewhat arbitrary, let alone Dinosaur classification. It's not like we actually know whether T. rex and T. mcraensis would've been able to interbreed if they met or not

[steady rock]

i mean, beluga's and narwhals can interbreed and their two entirely different species

[thorn grove]

yea species don't really exist

or I should say there's not actually any consistently upheld definition of them

[sudden wind]

Me looking at human and candid phylogeny :

[steady rock]

whats special abt it?

[storm merlin]

Did dinosaurs have lips

[steady rock]

why wouldnt they?

[fluid inlet]

Let me speak to your manager

[cloud badger]

And there is this whole salt water turtle thing where all the right species (of course not including leather backs as they are a whole other taxa)might actually just be 3 because of how similar they look and how often they interbreed for some reason there
It's just a whole mess at this point

[lavish frigate]

YEESH let the good boys have peace 🙏

[wind prairie]

would be crazy if they did lol
unrelated but it's funny how a lot of major predators today had eurasian subspecies ending in "spelaea" in the ice age

[ancient crystal]

Not sure how they're an abomination when so far as I can tell none of the engineered traits poorly affect the animal's wellbeing.

All colossal really did was achieve the end result of selective breeding in one generation, their marketing wolves seem a lot better off than say pugs even if they're not actually dire wolves

[light oxide]

Hey mates, question.

On average, what was the weight for Daspleto and Allo? At most weight as well?

[steady rock]

3 tons i think?

[hallow spear]

At largest specimen Allosaurus is larger at around 5t compared to Daspletos 3-4t

[light oxide]

And which Allosaurus species would that 5t be from?

[hallow spear]

The amplexus type specimen

[steady rock]

have a skeletal of it?

[light oxide]

Pretty sure it's just a more robust version of Allosaurus, at least in terms of skeletal look.

[hallow spear]

No, but there is a size comparison scaled from Randoms allo that he made. This is also the lower estimate for it. It’s also relevant to note that number 3 on this list is between 4.2-4.6t and it is possible for the largest to be higher or lower than 5t due to this variance (the amplexus type is number 1)

It’s also relevant to say that it’s entirely possible for a 6t+ allosaurus anax to exist

[compact leaf]

vile creature

[hallow spear]

(The OMNH 1188) centrum is still uncertain in size as non of the measurements match up, so it for sure needs more clarity on it to fully be decided

[opaque kayak]

If seven shot's measurement is true, how much would it place that, and is it the largest anax specimen? Also, is there other specimens associated with it?

[warm saddle]

Anyone got a lythronax skeletal?

[hallow spear]

There is potentially more, a partial humerus another few centrums, etc all single specimens

[white matrix]

holy! I just found out this stego is inaccurate and path of titan's stego is the most accurate stego depiction

good job @winter jetty

[balmy oyster]

@hallow spear what do we think

[unborn bane]

@white matrix Please don't tag developers unless they're actively in the chat with you, refer to our #rules.

[tulip dove]

Problem with pot Stego is that it has more juvenile looking proportions, Stego itself was a fairly boxy looking animal in adulthood

[balmy oyster]

That does look somewhat boxy

[pliant cedar]

they un stego'd the saurus

[sudden wind]

It's a whole bunch of splitting and hybridization

[pastel yarrow]

Bald stego is not real it cannot hurt you

[fluid inlet]

Don’t do that again little carnivore boy

[tulip dove]

Remove the horns aswell

[frigid delta]

ur just jealous carnivores r better 😒

[fluid inlet]

Better at running from bull triceratops

[river storm]

Museum of Natural History in Frankfurt

[hallow spear]

It being boxy is fairly subjective

[hallow spear]

Randoms stego has some issues, those being the vertabrae count for the caudals and dorsals. Posturally it’s also too crouched and the ratio of limbs doesn’t follow other specimens and is quite far off from them so it’s likely that the measurements used for it are either wrong or measured in a different way for them to be put in the position like that this is also further implied by APEX the stegosaurus albeit that is Stegosaurus sp. Unlike the other examples used like the DMNH specimen, the dorsal view for this stego is probably also too boxy. judging from the study that Dempseys thesis will be out it is possible that stego is a bit more slender

Also it seems like the younger the stego, the shorter forelimbs it has? But it’s potentially variable and or unrelated to ontogeny

Also USNM 4934 which is what that specimen is based on, sucks ass ngl

[scenic flame]

ty, I'm gonna save that

[hallow spear]

We don’t really know the changes ontogenically in stegosaurus since there are no described adults, and the adults which are described and are at least confidently Stenops(?) (DMNH 1843) are entirely unfigured or measured aside from the limbs

[scenic flame]

so not terribly dissimilar to the situation with Giganotosaurus
in regards to stego having good specimens that aren't fully/properly described

[hallow spear]

Well, Giganotosaurus is objectively better described imo

[sonic wraith]

Anyone got up to date giga and rex skeletals?

[honest cobalt]

I too am interested in this👀

[tough parcel]

Have you considered the adult bull Stegosaurus undergo severe skeletal reformation during their first period of high hormonal imbalance and is characterized by aggressive behavior?

[hallow spear]

I had not, are you perhaps the lead researcher in stegosaurus musth?

[pliant cedar]

stegosaurus in musth are the primary cause of death amongst large theropods in the morrison

[tough parcel]

Yes! But please wait for the paper otherwise we will have to hunt you down for breaking embargo...

[scenic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/respoken-gif-26106443

[white matrix]

true true

all I know is pot is gonna cook with the stego and allo tlcs

[ashen wedge]

Wait allo finally getting a tlc?

[pliant cedar]

stego tlc im not sure what it will get outside of 10 trillion passives

since its whole thing is just tail attacks

im assuming it will get detonate

[sonic wraith]

You can do a lot of creative things with a tail centric playable, just like you can with a bite centric one.

[scenic flame]

especially since it's a very powerfully built animal with the tentative capability of rearing up

[pliant cedar]

stomp? 😏
that would just be temu amarga tho

[cosmic fox]

bro is roleplaying inthis channel 💀

[tulip dove]

I'll keep that in mind

[tulip stream]

It was always gonna get one

[white matrix]

i would love to see a forward counter attack for it

nothing has something like that yet except for eo's tail? but I wouldn't really count that

1. barely does damage
2. overturn is better

[sonic wraith]

Ceratosaurus reaction

[white matrix]

i mean look at miragaia, it has an attack where it hits a target infront of it and spit

[river plinth]

And a directional tail

[white matrix]

impaling would be so cool for stego...

[hardy sentinel]

I hope that one day we may find an adult Dryosaurus

[light oxide]

Found a bird that was similar in wingspan and weight as Rhamphorhynchus:

The light-mantled albatross.

-# Artistic depiction of Rhamphorhynchus credit: Gabriel N. U.

[outer tusk]

Which rex specimen

[sonic wraith]

Any would do finely.

[outer tusk]

Search in Thecodontia

Go to the coelursauria section and scroll until you see t.rex

[hardy sentinel]

if Big Al does turn out the be Big Alice (due to the discovery of the medulary bone), could we assume that she is the average A. Jimmadseni and look for sexual dimorphism?

[pliant cedar]

i could survive hell creek

[hardy sentinel]

Juvenile Tyrannosaurus/Nanotyrannus if it exists/Dakotaraptor if it exists/every crocodillian there would like to know your location

[graceful comet]

I saw the spino fly 65 million years ago

[hardy sentinel]

yk I do find it quite funny that a good percentage of mid sized carnivores in the hell creek just might not exist

[tough parcel]

Medullary bone (basis for turning Big Al female) is also found in reptiles with serious injury and considering what Big Al is known for, I wouldn't be surprised

[pliant cedar]

i would win

[remote shadow]

I mean Dakotaraptor is similar in size to Utahraptor no?

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-sentinel-optimus-prime-optimus-prime-gif-26529362

[pliant cedar]

dakotaraptor desperately trying to escape after realising he bit off more than he could chew

[pliant cedar]

its like 300-350 kilos compared to utahs 450-500 right

[remote shadow]

? Granted assuming that Dakotaraptor is actually its own species

[tough parcel]

I just sent a better size comparison for Utah and Dakota

[remote shadow]

Fair, though some of the others I’ve seen where they are closer…

Granted, I don’t exactly trust some of those things.

[tough parcel]

This is because they were made before people really cracked down on the "Dakotaraptor" material

[pliant cedar]

wonder why the guy who discovered the fossils refuses to let anyone see them.... 🤔

[balmy oyster]

Turtle

[remote shadow]

Fair fair.

[frosty cedar]

He got warcrimed.

[manic grail]

I want to ride utahraptor and scream chicken jockey

[frosty cedar]

COMING IN HOT!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[balmy oyster]

FLINT AND STEEL

[outer tusk]

CHICKEN JOCKEY

[frosty cedar]

CRAFTING TABLE

[hardy sentinel]

Hear me out, scrap WWD 2 and remake Ballad of Big Al with accurate models and research

[balmy oyster]

I say we remake dinosaur revolution’s story arc with broken jaw

[compact leaf]

that was peak lusotitan

[fossil ingot]

All Old Dinod Are
There is simply no ETA

[rancid glade]

Quick question did Gorgosaurus ever see snow in it's environment?

[astral spindle]

Can someone tell me how tall and heavy the largest Quetzalcoatlus and Hatzegopteryx please?

[umbral kite]

wat I remember quetz was 550 ib

[jagged trellis]

estimate wise its what
600 pounds, like 18 feet and 990 pounds, 14 feet(?)
idr specimen wise, thought it was quetz at 400 and hatz 600 on that end, 16 and 10 feet respectively
someone please fact check me on it i genuinely do not remember

[frosty cedar]

Instant nostalgia resurgence.

[manic grail]

What even is this video

https://youtube.com/shorts/vApg-3OYw2w?si=pHG-xY8pa5f4O3d3

[light osprey]

falcon where is the Unenlagiine skull

[balmy oyster]

👶

[tough parcel]

Paper shredder

[hardy sentinel]

"Spino is too controversial to touch"

Rex casually having 50 arguments about it at any given time MINIMUM

[tulip gyro]

isnt dakotaraptor invalid

[hardy sentinel]

We don't know because the private collector who owns the specimens won't let people study them, so most likely

[tough parcel]

This is why it’s A) in quotation marks and B) has (Dromaeosauridae indet.) below!

[tulip gyro]

k

saurian has the best dromeo design tbh, their dakotaraptor looks gorgeous

[hardy sentinel]

Have you seen their Acheroraptor?

[tulip gyro]

idk, i have the game but i never seen it

[hardy sentinel]

He is very goofy, I would die for this little Velociraptorine Dromeosaurid

You can really only see the designs for upcoming stuff if you got the book, which I do

[tulip gyro]

it's not like that in the game tho, and most likely will sadly never be added. rip saurian

[balmy oyster]

Spino had big sail and eat fish ez

[hardy sentinel]

The devs said they are starting up development again, most likely gonna be a few years until the next update but it is being worked on

[pliant cedar]

floof

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/jumbo-pacha-kbro-gif-13262898392449115604

[light osprey]

Very weird you specified Velociraptorine given it probably isn’t one

[hardy sentinel]

https://youtu.be/rBCoR_CZgTE?si=AYon9dAshQunMfig

looks similar enough

[fluid inlet]

Guys how accurate

[hardy sentinel]

well I like it more as a Velociraptorine that's why I specified, plus I like saying Velociraptorine because Velociraptorine is not only fun to say but also fun to type

Plus I don't see much evidence towards the Eudromeosaurid or any other subgroup side

[tulip gyro]

in the dev blog they said that it's just a side project for a few people, and they work on the vegetation rn. but i doubt that they gonna continue tbh

[light osprey]

Velociraptorines are Eudromaeosaurs

[hardy sentinel]

Man my phylogenetic trees are F'd up, been a while since I looked at Dromeosaurid phylogenetics

[pliant cedar]

looks good
i think the sail bulges a bit more at the neck tho

[hardy sentinel]

Is that an Acro? I'd say the skull is accurate and the speculative tissue seems plausible

[opaque kayak]

Spino has a magical charm which makes people hate it, love it, feel interested in it, dig into it, know more about it, there is sm about Spinosaurus which makes people do that. I'm not sure why. Something about Spino makes people see in it more then other extinct animals

[tulip gyro]

i doubt that anyone hates spino

[jagged trellis]

as a acro, thats great, i think acouple of people said it but for da muh lore accuracy, abit more rise at the neck base tissue wise, but thats about it

[manic grail]

We had someone in this chat hate spino so much you'd think spino didn't pay his depts

[fluid inlet]

I love that even with all the changes to spino everyone still loves spino and we getting spino appearances in like 4 different films this year alone

[tulip gyro]

in wich except wwd and jw?

[fluid inlet]

Primitive war

[cloud badger]

Something straight out of the lion and tiger fandoms (before this new wave of memes about lions and whatever speeks)

[fluid inlet]

I know who you talking about lol

[balmy oyster]

It’s such a weird animal

[opaque kayak]

I hate Spinobating. For some reason, we have people once in a month coming in either saying Spinosaurus is bigger then rex, or has someone who says they have the freedom to hate Spino, since Jack horner made it op in JP3

[manic grail]

Real lol. I remember we got called brainwashed for liking spino lol

[small geyser]

What a time to be alive that was.

[fluid inlet]

So I made this dinosaur pink cuz it was for a friend but I need tips on how to make my dinosaurs look more realistic im not satisfied

[white matrix]

anyone got pictures of paleo accurate allosaurus? can't find any that are detailed.. just keep seeing noob jp allo

[light oxide]

-# Credit: Gabriel N. U.

[jagged trellis]

fred

[river plinth]

THINK CARCH THINK!

[sly viper]

Allosaurus weight in tonnes?

[magic jacinth]

Looking at lil als skeleton, is it factual to say they had longer arm limbs preportionally when younger? Maybe its just how its mounted but bro looks like he could walk quadraped if he wanted 🤣

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/t-rex-toilet-arms-struggle-toilet-paper-gif-17367588772149539793

[brave nova]

Which one

[sly viper]

Fragillis

[brave nova]

2.7t for the biggest

[sly viper]

And average is 1.5?

[brave nova]

Not 100% on the average but that sounds somewhat right

[sly viper]

Alright thanks

[knotty wadi]

Im drawing a dimetrodon mixed with an iguana, anyone know how to make it a bit more accurate.

[wind prairie]

actually it's more likely all the north american dromaeosaurs suspected to be velociraptorines, were actually saurornitholestines

[wind prairie]

fred's allo art is such a vibe

[river plinth]

1-barly 4

[fossil ingot]

Kinda "biggest"
Is a Lie but same time not tbf

Putative wise maybe
And Random Did got AMNH 290 at 10m too so

[stray saddle]

@umbral rose @icy citrus behold the real bite force of Allo compared to other dinosaurs, like the giant Spinosaur.

Also, look how Fk crazy Daspleto was as well

[umbral rose]

are they being mesured by tons?

[stray saddle]

Allosaurus bite was nothing to laugh of, if you ever heard about "Allosaurus having the same bite force as a leopard" thats have been demonstrated its bull chit

[icy citrus]

Pounds i believe

[umbral rose]

welp too bad i'm not american lol

[stray saddle]

I tried to pass the link to the page but this discord doesn't let me lol

[icy citrus]

Theres 3 diff ones