paleontology

[fossil ingot]

Less Leggy/Not to much Cartilage better

@hardy blaze depends how Heavy it is, a 9.6m Daspnis like 3.57t

[scenic flame]

Fasolasuchus

[fossil ingot]

Yeah was about to said I was gonna look for a Faso Skeletal.
Bro ain't Dasp size, not eveb Allo size tmk.
Barina is Larger tmk
I think

[hardy blaze]

2 to 3 tons

[fossil ingot]

That thing ain't 2-3t tbh
Barina is 1.6t

Unless Faso is like, super Long and Chunky

[thorn grove]

did we find more specimens I didn't realize we had that much material

[thorn grove]

yea earlier convo in this chat claimed Faso was 1.6 and if Barina is 1.6 then I imagine that's a reasonable estimate

[fossil ingot]

Barina is 6.18m and 1.8t

Given how Posto and Presto look.
Faso is tmk similar in Size to Presto?

[hardy blaze]

well that would make sense barina and faso are close in size

[thorn grove]

yea faso and presto are about the same, iirc faso is a smidge bigger but not by much

[hardy blaze]

well are there any quad crocs that can beat an tyrannosaurid in general

[fossil ingot]

Presto is 1.6t
So Faso been 1.6-1.8t seems fine
Then again, Barina is Proportionally Bulkier than Presto

Founded a Funny 1.3t Faso

[thorn grove]

I imagine quite a few could beat an Alioramus

[hardy blaze]

man not the weak ahh alio anything bigger

[thorn grove]

idk Qianzhousaurus or maybe Nanuqsaurus idk exactly their size off the top of my head

[fluid inlet]

Ichthyosauria victim

[fossil ingot]

Idk
Even the Leggy ah Alberto is 2.2t
Nanuq possibly?

[thorn grove]

virus victims

[manic grail]

Hand sanitizer victim

[hardy blaze]

why would weight matter so much wouldnt the land crocs be able to to out agilty them

[thorn grove]

why would they have better stamina,

also weight massively affects how much physical power an animal has, and is generally the deciding factor in most fights, they aren't ninjas they don't have fighting techniques to counter an opponent with superior strength and/or weaponry

[fossil ingot]

Lythronax maybe?
Idk how heavy thing is tho?
Likely above 1 t

[fossil ingot]

Tyrannosaurids in general are rather agile specially with their size

[fluid inlet]

Weight is 1 of the most important thing in all fights

[fossil ingot]

Drypto possibly wins too?

[thorn grove]

the most tbh, even Elephants with short and blunt tusks still crush rhinos

[hardy blaze]

well what about their bite force

[thorn grove]

my guy you're comparing to Tyrannosaurids

[fluid inlet]

Bring it on shark boy

[fossil ingot]

Wouldn't be surprise this guy wins

[hardy blaze]

im sorry im trying to cope

[fluid inlet]

I hope Ichthyotitan catches on to pop culture and ends up in movies maybe similar to jaws

[opaque kayak]

Where did you find this. Peak af

[empty socket]

My back yard

[fossil ingot]

Not exactly Sure how Hard Barina can Bite.
I know Dasp waa measured around 16kN with Gorgo been 13kN

[manic grail]

It could eat cavedivers with its skinny snout. Would make a great movie where cavedivers think they're safe but then it comes with its skinny ahh snout and eats them

[thorn grove]

That's fair, but picking Tyrannosaurids as your comparison point was always gonna end bad for any non-Dinosaur land predator

[hardy blaze]

im mean icthy is a bit to big to be a antagonist

[fossil ingot]

Its +20m
Its alr I guess?

[fluid inlet]

Somewhere on twitter I forgot from who

[fossil ingot]

Why is that Ichthy so Fat lol
Bro is CHUNK

[thorn grove]

when do we get to find the Godzilla fossils

[opaque kayak]

Lower jaw looks very thick ngl

[hardy blaze]

when we reach hollow earth

[fluid inlet]

We own your whole favorite aquatics lineage

[thorn grove]

maybe I'm just biased but tbh I've never been nearly as interested in marine animals as terrestrial ones, but that's just me

[fluid inlet]

I really like both , but ocean is tougher than the lands

[thorn grove]

I think it's just cuz I live on land tbh lmao

[fluid inlet]

I find the ocean to be much more scarier

[hardy blaze]

i like the aquatic gameplay more than actually getting to in too it megalodon is the only thing that cachtes my eye

[thorn grove]

Yea I think the thing for me is marine ecosystems just seem weird because I'm used to most of the biomass on land being plants and the ocean is just strange, everything is a carnivore

[hardy blaze]

maneater was a goated game

[fluid inlet]

Plus ocean has cookie cutter sharks , I’m good.

[thorn grove]

yea actually those freaked me out when I was younger

[fluid inlet]

Even the damn starfish are carnivores and the jelly fish.

[hardy blaze]

sperm whales and orcas scare the crap out of me

[thorn grove]

orcas are too op

[hardy blaze]

ye you know its bad when sharks are scared of you take livy for example

[zealous ravine]

Thalattosaurs will always be better

[thorn grove]

yea after the megalodon weight reduction the meg vs livy stuff actually seems kinda reasonable

[manic grail]

What is the weight of megalodon?

[fluid inlet]

The great perucetus before the nerfs

[thorn grove]

with the new study the max is like 94 while most specimens are I think 30-40

[hardy blaze]

meg is not so stubby anymore

[zealous ravine]

Who needs size when you’re just this weird

[fluid inlet]

Leeds 🐟

[manic grail]

Wow from 30-40 to 94 is crazy. What about livyatan?

[hardy blaze]

leeds scare me

[thorn grove]

i forgor

[fluid inlet]

Don’t be afraid, he’s extinct 😅🤣

[hardy blaze]

still spooky looking its basicly the bloop

[stiff osprey]

maraapunisaurus is extinct and it still scares me

[thorn grove]

I can't believe Poland actually went and built one of those

[fluid inlet]

Na he’s Alive and doing well

[stiff osprey]

that's why they never found any more of it in Morrison, it migrated to poland

[opaque kayak]

I love bro's completion (aust colossus tier)

[hardy blaze]

i wonder if a deino snaps on you would you turn into red mist

[fluid inlet]

I’m pretty sure there is more formations like the Morrison with huge sauropods of different species in all of the same environment but it was the first that we found like that right?

[balmy oyster]

Aust colossus makes sense, a whale sized animal in the ocean is sensible

A while sized animal on land is not that

[stiff osprey]

no it would be more like red mincemeat

which i suppose is just regular mincemeat

[thorn grove]

it was pretty common in the Jurassic iirc

[fluid inlet]

Would have been real interesting just to witness, unlike the African elephant which basically has no real competition I’d assume was not the case at all in the Jurassic with all these different sauropods.

[thorn grove]

yea Jurassic formations are pretty interesting for that, the fact that so many gigantic species could coexist in one ecosystem is pretty remarkable

[balmy oyster]

In defense of the Morrison, it was a really huge area over the course of several millions of years, so not everything lived in the same area or even time

[thorn grove]

true but even then there were times when like 5+ giant Sauropod species were coexisting

I think it's stage 5 (or 4?) where there are like 4 or 5 30+ ton species all at once iirc

[balmy oyster]

Brushy basin had a plentiful amount

[opaque kayak]

Is the morrison the largest single dinosaur formation btw?

[balmy oyster]

I believe so, I think cedar mountain is also pretty large but that's even more extensive & sectioned

[opaque kayak]

Damn, over 45 mya

[thorn grove]

cedar is really long morrison has a gargantuan area tho

[stable sun]

well 3.6 millions years ago I think

[stable sun]

yes this is because we are based

[halcyon cobalt]

3 mesopredators in an environment isn’t crazy

[warped peak]

Typically there's much more than 3

[round hedge]

What's been happening here lately ?

[halcyon cobalt]

did pygostyles prevent birds from returning to their Mesozoic glory

[severe yew]

they should add it to the pot game

[severe yew]

i was thinking the same thing, lmao 😂

[fossil ingot]

Weird 12.5m Fish

[severe yew]

damn 🔥 , whats the name of that park?

[opaque kayak]

12.5 meter fish when he gets stretched out to 21 meters:

[fossil ingot]

Real

[frigid delta]

Allo, Cera, & Torvo:

[compact leaf]

cedar mountain has no right being a single formation

[steady rock]

How big is cedar mountian?

[stable sun]

Nearly 50 million years

[compact leaf]

yeah it’s huge, it covers a pretty wide geographic area too

[steady rock]

Why is it only one 1 formation?

[stable sun]

Idk

Kem Kem also used to be one formation, now it's 2 formations

[compact leaf]

nobody has bothered to split it yet

[steady rock]

Well, why did kem kem get Split?

[compact leaf]

someone had the time to do it, a lot of things like this come down to somebody just doesn’t have the time or resources to do it

[steady rock]

Hmm, how many formations could cedar even be split into??

[harsh forge]

2 tons is so little, i think even kentro weight more?

[steady rock]

Kentro reached 2 tons?

[stiff osprey]

2 tons is too much for Kentrosaurus but way too little for Stegosaurus, most specimens of the former are around 1 t while Stego can reach 6-8 t

[snow python]

Isn't the biggest stego 8,1m.and 7,2t?

[fossil ingot]

7.84-8.3m(posture change) and 8t

[fast night]

Can I post a link to a paleontologist speaking today?

[steady rock]

@hallow spear how possible would this pose be for stego?

[zealous ravine]

Didactyl therizinosaur gonna be published soon

[warped peak]

The Zweihander awakens

[tough parcel]

Perfectly fine

[scenic flame]

same thing

[tough parcel]

Hey buddy, post the article
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2473027-two-fingered-dinosaur-used-its-enormous-claws-to-eat-leaves/

[scenic flame]

I still think their claws were useful in pulling in foliage from the sides, or pulling down larger foliage their long necks couldn't reach, I just don't see the claws being purely for display if their arms are so robust

[zenith rose]

People really think they're the display? I've always been under the same impression as you. They could have overlapped honestly, but I can't see something like that purely being for display

[tough parcel]

The display idea originated from the claws of Therizinosaurus being too dainty to really withstand the force of being deployed against another large animal

[scenic flame]

which I think is reasonable if paired with what I said above, I just don't see display as the sole reason

[zenith rose]

Oh that makes sense then...I never thought it could be used as defence regardless but I can 100% where that comes from. Aren't they hollow? I agree with Vividsky, I also believe they could be used to pull branches and leaves down.

[tough parcel]

No they aren't hollow, they're incredibly thin

[scenic flame]

I also think it may be reasonable for them to be used as a sort of last ditch effort/mutually assured destruction, even if they break the threat of being impaled by them would in theory help discourage predation.

[tough parcel]

Duonychus seems to be normal and have large claws, but they're short and robust so using it in some form of combat might make sense

[scenic flame]

I feel the fundamental concept here isn't really very different to poison

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-trex-fighting-dinosaur-gif-17293452

Anyone have a good size comparison of theri, duck and tarbo?

[steady rock]

I thought the sauropods would be alot large tbh

[scenic flame]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-023-04552-4
as can be seen in the structural stress simulations here, Theri's claws were very weak

[junior dawn]

big claws could be a trait that comes from sexual selection. Females preferring to mate with males that have big claws that show they’re healthy and have good genes. I’m convinced they had multiple uses, with display being one of them, but i think everyone thinks that by now

[tough parcel]

We don't pay you to think, we pay you to make mods!!!

[junior dawn]

intraspecific combat could be something too, they don’t need to go all out and destroy their competitor

[light osprey]

The humble dance

[junior dawn]

👷‍♂️

[tough parcel]

It seems to be fairly complete (for an Asian therizinosaur) so I don't think there's much doubt regarding it actually having two fingers as we have both arms

Just saying to get in front of the "Well how do we know..." crowd

[light osprey]

Perhaps it’s a tetradactyl Therizinosaur

[junior dawn]

maybe the claws aided in powered flight, we just haven’t found the rest of their arms!

[tulip dove]

They were used like missiles to ward of predators and had explosives inside the claws that blew up the moment the claws made contact with Tarbosaurus the mightiest ever...

[tough parcel]

Unfortunately, the Therizinosaurus went extinct after the Tarbosaurus evolved into T. rex...

This is because the explosives were evolved for Tarbosaurus, not Tyrannosaurus

[tulip dove]

This is true

[idle storm]

RE- Therizinosaurus claws:

I think the main takeaway from the current work on Therizinosaurus claws should be that it donsn't seem-for now- that they had any functional specialization per se. But I am skeptical that that a bipedal animal would essentially modify its forelimbs into being capped by enormous yet fragile and useless structures.

I also think more ground truthing is probably necessary for understating how the shape/structure of the keratinous sheath of the claws of modern animals affects their performance relative to what we would deduce from the bone alone. Especially in light of the new upcoming study on how keratin effected the armor of thyreophorans.

[kindred night]

oh no what are you doing here. this is a cespool

[zealous ravine]

Run before it’s too late

[severe yew]

no idea, but damn, that skin is freaking awesome 😍

[snow python]

How big was Rajasaurus?

[tough parcel]

Raja pog

[fluid inlet]

Reminds me of a corn dog

[fossil ingot]

7m and 1000kgs based on a Chart I had

[sudden wind]

When the hell did Dan do a Rajasaurus skeletal

[wind prairie]

didactyl theri is here woooo
meet duonychus

[balmy oyster]

It was for a book but it never got finished

[fluid inlet]

Deino too big

[fossil ingot]

That ain't Deino
Thats Puru
And I share for Art not size
Also depends if that Spino is Neotype/Holotype Size

[thorn grove]

it's the fabled Deinosaurus

[cosmic fox]

it's obese

[outer tusk]

it's ot

[harsh forge]

the white death as the human is funny

[balmy oyster]

Neotype & holotype are similar sizes, it would be a question whether it is holotype/neotype sized or msnm/nhmuk sized

[fossil ingot]

You do know
That Big Crocs tend to be Fat.
Have. You seen Wide Mouth

This Mf is Healthy as Surprising as it is.
Its a Wide Nile Croc

Even a BC can look "fat" when sitting like that and tbf this is Pepe

[balmy oyster]

I mean being the size of a banana while everyone else was the size of small yachts does help when surviving a mass extinction

[manic grail]

Then how do u explain the small dinosaurs

[balmy oyster]

Outcompeted I suppose

[ancient crystal]

I wonder how long the last hold outs of the non avian dinosaurs actually lasted

[warped peak]

I believe I've heard they survived out of the extinction but just got outcompeted

No source whatsoever

[wind prairie]

this would be a sick title and concept for a song

also, really appreciate when media shows what happens right after the initial impact. Dinosaur revolution even has a whole segment on it where the ""troodon"" are almost thriving

[steady rock]

i know dace is 7 tons, is mira 5 - 6?

[outer tusk]

Miragaia is 2 tonnes

[steady rock]

....

how the hell?

[frigid delta]

simple
it doesn't exist
Mira = Dacent

[steady rock]

mira was brought back tho?

[frigid delta]

huh?
since when?

[steady rock]

tada

[outer tusk]

let's hope

[frigid delta]

uh oh...

[orchid rain]

Hello, anyone here?

[split mountain]

yes

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/chrisdpiazza/status/1818988914863968370?s=46

Christopher DiPiazza (@ChrisDPiazza) on X

Priconodon isn’t new. It was discovered in 1888 in Maryland and was mostly known from teeth which later were noted to be huge for a nodosaur. In the last few years we’ve pulled out actual bones like this huge tail vert that only support how massive it was.

X · Aug 1, 2024, 12:35 PM

[steady rock]

So did Mira really only weigh 2 tons?

[storm merlin]

It’s looks skinny for a croc tbh 😭

[halcyon cobalt]

maybe

[outer tusk]

it's not skinny though

[tough parcel]

I cant believe we have begun fat-wrapping now

[steady rock]

Well

[frigid delta]

weren't Rex's chonk is full of muscles?

[tough parcel]

I genuinely wonder what would happen if the legs were longer

Would it still look so fat?

[steady rock]

Maybe not?

[fossil ingot]

Likely no

Mira isn't THAT much smaller than Dacen who is 7t
So like 4-5t seems alr I guess

[fossil ingot]

Iirc its still a bit to fat even with long legs, looks much better tho

[manic grail]

Is this accurate or too fat?

[undone rapids]

Woah Albertosaurus!!

[tough parcel]

[manic grail]

Wow it looks like microraptor now

[warped peak]

Thoughts on the paper addressing saurian Buccal Tissue

[compact leaf]

do you have a link to it?

[warped peak]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/joa.14242

Jugal horns kinda get axed

[tulip dove]

Wait guh

[light osprey]

Hello Falcon!

[tough parcel]

Apparently it's been a suspicion for a while by Hartman (and a few others?) so I'd say it's solid

Really only implication regarding jugal horns is that tyrannosaurs didn't really have anything in terms of keratin there and ceratopsians would've had something there, but more like a nail (nodding to the Psittaco paper)

[steady rock]

What are jugal horns?

[light osprey]

Horns on the jugal bone

[warped peak]

The big cheek ornaments often shown on Tyrannosaurus and Ceratosauruss

[steady rock]

May I have a visual example to visualize it?

[warped peak]

Taco's horn thing

[steady rock]

Ooh I understand now

[fossil ingot]

Bit to Fat
Biggest Issue are legs been to short

[winter marsh]

arent those the cheekbones present in later ceratopsians? I wonder what they were for ngl

[warped peak]

It seems muscle attunement

[winter marsh]

I always knew something was fishy about the Mira situation

[winter marsh]

so like a more powerful bite? Yeah seems plausible considering what they ate and taco didnt really have any weapons

[thorn grove]

Ceratopsians just had kind of insane bite forces

[open compass]

Damn

[steady rock]

i know rex itself had incredible speed endurance, but how about juvenile rex's? would their endurance have been just as good?

[stiff osprey]

long lower legs are not such a good indicator of endurance in smaller animals, but chances are something like Jane size did have better endurance than most other animals

[steady rock]

did i accidentally spread misinfo or was my statement correct?

[fossil ingot]

Nw as what?
Dasp Bite is 16,000KN
A Rex of similar Size is likely Higher or Close to that

[steady rock]

i thought like, newtons or whatever?

[fossil ingot]

I mean.
Dasp is 16KN
Gorgo is 13kN
Acro is 16kN.
A JUVIE Rex idk, a 3t Ton likely bites as Hard as Dasp tho

[steady rock]

whats a kn compared to a ton if they compareable?

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/rLmeR7Jo3KM?si=Pa7ITpHXf2DWlpSv

[fossil ingot]

Tmk.
10KN is likes around 1 Ton
I THINK

[warped peak]

Force is Mass * Acceleration, so it's not exactly comparable

1 Ton at Earth's gravity coefficient is approximately 9,806.65 Newtons

[tough sleet]

what is that?

[stiff osprey]

I thought mesozoic life died years ago

[umbral kite]

name a tyrannuird in asia that was as large or near as large as tarbosaurs ill wait

[steady rock]

zhutyrannus

[wind prairie]

zhuchengtyrannus and probably raptorex tmk

[tough parcel]

Raptorex's first mention in a size discussion

I'm so proud

[light osprey]

Jenghizkhan*

[winter marsh]

I wonder how strong Udano would be

considering its bobblehead and lack of horns

[frigid delta]

is it just me or wasn't Raptorex = Juvenile Tarbo?
just like how Nanotyrannus = Juvenile Rex?

[hardy sentinel]

Someone say something controversial (dinosaur wise)

[iron halo]

It is a juvenile but I think the current idea is that it’s a distinct genus from tarbo

[hardy sentinel]

Nope, current consensus is that Raptorex is a baby Tarbosaurus

Nanotyrannus is a bit more controversial but is most likely a juvie Tyrannosaurus

[wind prairie]

no actually. Pretty sure it's believed that raptorex is distinct from tarbosaurus, but it is still a baby
and now nanotyrannus has almost overwhelming evidence for being distinct.

[hardy sentinel]

Sources on both?

[wind prairie]

we already had this nanotyrannus discussion... Tooth counts, inconsistent with other theropods' growth, would be an abnormal animal, different looking young tyrannosaurs from nanotyrannus
looking at raptorex rn

[hardy sentinel]

But do you have a paper/post from someone who has an expertise in Tyrannosaurs claiming such? Tooth counts do vary in Tyrannosaurus

[wind prairie]

look man, why don't I just send you to paleostream and the people there can give you a rundown?

[tough parcel]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.10.25.620216v1

It's still in peer review, but it doesn't seem as horrible as previous papers

[kindred night]

How about I just give you the paper that clarified their distinction instead of sending them off to another discord server?

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02724634.2023.2199817#abstract

[fossil ingot]

Tmk theres smth Coming with the Idea of making Nano different from Rex.
When will that release is unknown thi

[wind prairie]

tysm falcon for being like, one of the only people in this server who really know what they're doing
but I'm pretty confident in nano and raptorex's validity, am I reasonable to believe this?
I've heard that David Hone had seen a juvenile tarbosaurus and raptorex specimen in the same day, and he said he believed they were different

[winter marsh]

wait, Gualicho is Falcon? Hell yeah

[hardy sentinel]

What am I supposed to be looking at here? Half of it is about Alectrosaurus and "Tyrannosaurus bataar"

When does it get to the Tyrannosaurus and Nanotyrannus debate

[wind prairie]

ty but I'm just saying the people in paleostream are cracked at this stuff

[opaque kayak]

MSNM v 4047, FSAK KK 11888 and NHMUK VP 16421 are all Spinosaurus aegyptiacus

[kindred night]

In agreement with Fowler et al. (Citation2011), this restudy of LH PV18 done for this article found that the specimen is a juvenile, but it is a valid taxon. In addition to its small size and the histological data (Fowler et al., Citation2011), LH PV18 possesses numerous juvenile skeletodental features that are seen across Tyrannosauridae (Carr, Citation1999, Citation2020). Although this is not an exhaustive list, the most salient juvenile features seen in LH PV18 include noninflated pneumatic facial
Also, this restudy found several features that indicate LH PV18 does pertain to a new taxon. This observation is not unusual, as species-level diagnostic features are seen in juveniles of other tyrannosaurids, including T. rex (Carr, Citation1999, Citation2020; Carr and Williamson, Citation2004). LH PV18 differs from other tyrannosaurids (juveniles and adults) in several ways, the most obvious of these include: (1) The ventral ramus of the lacrimal is thin and subtly curved (vs. stout and distinctly curved), (2) the suborbital ligament scar is a distinct flange (vs. a subtle convexity), (3) the rostroventral ala of the lacrimal extends halfway up the ventral ramus (vs. extends up the ventral quarter of the ramus); (4) the rostrolateral extent of the dorsotemporal fossa on the frontal is deeply concave (vs. convex in juveniles or shallowly concave in adults). Finally, the subcutaneous flange of the maxilla (Carr & Napoli et al., Citation2022), which is a diagnostic character of T. bataar that is seen in small juveniles (Currie and Dong, Citation2001; Tsuihiji et al., Citation2011), is absent from PH LV18. These discrete differences from other tyrannosaurids are clear evidence that R. kriegsteini is a reliably diagnosable and valid taxon.

[winter marsh]

no, Gua IS falcon, just checked the servers he in and username

[frigid delta]

weren't they always has been?

[kindred night]

There are the paragraphs that explain in plain terms why Raptorex is it's own thing

[opaque kayak]

It's heavily controversial, and most people I have seen don't consider the two large rostrums as aegyptiacus, or even Spinosaurus

[fossil ingot]

Raptorex MIGHT be more Complicated but it been different is still probable

[frigid delta]

if it's called Raptorex
where's sickle claw?/genq

[tough parcel]

Raptor is because it's small

[hardy sentinel]

Raptor means Plunderer, not Dromeosaurid/Troodontid

Just a name to make it sound cooler

[stiff osprey]

It is known that only small people are thieves

[wind prairie]

and the joke flies right past him

[kindred night]

I mean look these are pretty distinct features that aren't seen in any other tyrannosaur, especially Tarbosaurus. I think it's pretty clear it's a separate and valid species.

[frigid delta]

i mean look at Goblins

[fossil ingot]

Holotype is from Bahariya, MSNM v4047, NHMUK VP 16421 and the Neotype/FSAK KK are from Kem Kem thats mostly why ppl treat them as different

[hardy sentinel]

Well whenever it's followed by "/genq" that usually means someone is asking a question with an answer being looked for

[wind prairie]

also joschua knuppe portrays raptorex as distinct

[wind prairie]

well that's new to me lol
basically raptor =/= dromaeosaur in the slightest, it just happens to be a word that describes a lot of them well and thus a lot of them get named with that

[fossil ingot]

Random made it as Tarbo but like
This is almost 1 year old, and Raptorex been different is cooler

This is why Nano is Cooler

[hardy sentinel]

People just usually associate raptor with Dromeosaur because JP and a lot of projects that use JP, not everyone is as knowledgeable in Paleontology as they need to be sadly

[halcyon cobalt]

chronic wasting disease deinocheirus confirmed?

[outer tusk]

what the hell did I miss

[fluid inlet]

Lmao not the where the source guy again

[hardy sentinel]

Whats wrong with me asking for sources on debates?

[storm merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/stfu-shut-up-shut-the-fuck-up-dinosaur-dino-gif-1909844559131231946

[manic grail]

Why did he bite him there

[fluid inlet]

Slapped the hell out of him too 💀

[winter marsh]

the infamous crotch crunch

[thorn grove]

penar explosion bite

[tacit pine]

nano.......raptorex.....

[fluid inlet]

Off topic but I find dinosaur theropod legs the hardest to draw out of the whole theropod body

[wind prairie]

thank god that's not actually where dinosaur reproductive organs were lol. I think he just bit the pubic boot

[cunning pilot]

oh guys did you know wie is pervatosaurus

[hardy sentinel]

What is the " wie" supposed to mean?

[cunning pilot]

ok

[hardy sentinel]

????

[cunning pilot]

is for say you know

Wie is Perva?

[hardy sentinel]

What is Wie?? Is there some deleted context because I have no clue what you're talking about aside from Pervatosaurus

[manic grail]

Sprichst du deutsch?

[fluid inlet]

Quelle?

[plucky basin]

what is going on 😭

[manic grail]

Zeig mir deine Quelle

[halcyon cobalt]

German

[hardy sentinel]

You guys ever wonder if future paleontologists would know if our different dog breeds are just different species/genera rather than being highly selected breeds of the same wolf subspecies? I say yes personally

[warped peak]

Our modern dogs? Maybe

But even in our current fossil record, it's hard to tell apart normal dogs from wolves

[brisk hound]

unless of course its a pug or any other dog with a unique skull shape

[sudden wind]

Quetz is the biggest bird because dinosaurs are Pterosaurs 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[storm merlin]

Man wtf is a pubic boot

[halcyon cobalt]

typo

[balmy oyster]

The tib of the pubis bone, sometimes it looks “boot” shaped

[inner thunder]

Any giga updated news? I heard that something.

[velvet burrow]

What in the David Peters

[frigid delta]

how bout sm ghost who can be only seen by those who has ghost eyes?

[topaz shell]

Ghost Dino’s, awesome concept

[hardy sentinel]

I reckon since original domestic dogs were selected for that, they'll probably find dead pups or dogs who ran away during the transitional stage into the weird skull shaped bois, assume they are domesticated because of burials, and solve the puzzel that the weird shaped skull dogs are actually domesticated wolf descendants and remain as man's first best friend

[wooden wadi]

Can someone clarify this for me? Could dromaeosaurids (or troodontinds for that matter) been able to deliver powerful kicks? Thanks in advance

[frigid delta]

iirc only the large ones like Utah, Achillo, & Austro
idk abt the rest

[serene moat]

Question cuz I'm seeing mixed results on Google, but is nanotyrannus just a juvenile tyrannosaurus or is it actually a separate animal, cuz I thought in the past it used to be seen as a separate animal but then identified as just a juvenile rex?

[serene moat]

Ah okiee, yeah from when I look online I see stuff from early 2024 saying it's separate than others saying it's the same strange tho

[stiff osprey]

There is upcoming research supporting Nano being valid, but since it is unpublished, most scientists atm lean on it being a juvenile rex

[stable sun]

Recent paper by Carr on Alectro talks about Raptorex

[stable sun]

MSNM V4047 can easily be Sigilmassasaurus. It doesn't overlap with Sigilmassasaurus or Spinosaurus.

[stable sun]

Debated and unknown

[tough parcel]

Evidence this has already been said?

[severe yew]

most definitely, yes

look, if a rooster can do it, i am sure those dinos could too 😆

https://youtube.com/shorts/Nt4DRH7R2s4?feature=shared

birds, and dinos for that matter, were ninjas, bro

[umbral kite]

bro there are only 3 foossil how do we knew this how it look it couldve looks so much different like jt confusing

[hallow spear]

source of the material?

[tulip dove]

Probably by comparing the material with other relatives and reconstructing it based on the said relatives
Sure it prob could have looked different but that's basically all we have to work with

[hallow spear]

oh wait this is the Rahioli specimen, the limb bones are not from an Ankylosaur. There are described as Titanosaurian

[tough parcel]

This is diabolical

[hallow spear]

the Isolated Verts, Scapulacoracoid, and Armour fragments are the only source of an ankylosaur being present. It is also described as a Nodosaur, not a parankylosaur

[floral ivy]

Ik but a paranky is more accurate as there are no gondwanan nodosaurids out there

[cunning pilot]

mimni

[steady rock]

Yes there is

[floral ivy]

What?

[floral ivy]

It's a basal Ankylosaurian
Not a Nodosaurid 💀

[tough parcel]

Minmi!!!

[wooden wadi]

Damn, that was funny 🤣. Thanks for the information and entertainment.
@frigid delta thanks to you for it too!

[steady rock]

borealopelta is a upcoming modded dinosaur to path of titans and will be played on gondwa

[zealous ravine]

I recall seeing a similar skeletal, and the person who made it said the large bones turned out to be sauropod, with the parankylosaur being closer to stegouros size

[steady rock]

if it was sauropod bones, would it have been a quite small sauropod?

[cunning pilot]

vulcanosaurus

[zealous ravine]

maybe, but it could have also just been a juvenile

[steady rock]

i have a question, would specilizing in killing ado/juvenile sauropods have been a valid and open niche for a carnivore?

[cunning pilot]

mapusaurus

or allo

[steady rock]

wasnt allo just a generalist hunter

[cunning pilot]

yep

[tough parcel]

There were sauropods in all ecosystems with gigantic ones that look much more manageable

Even then, I suspect adults weren't immune to attack 100% of the time (See: Lion pride that specializes in elephants)

[cunning pilot]

hum arge titano baro supersaurus diplo

[steady rock]

diplo only 11 - 15 tons iirc

[cunning pilot]

ok ma diplo is a super strong

[steady rock]

its okay sigma sprunki , there are other larger diplodocids for you

[cunning pilot]

potagotitan

[steady rock]

hm yes yes yes , hm yes yes yes. sigma skidibi, sigma skibidi

[cunning pilot]

sigma miku

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/wendy-williams-passing-out-falling-shook-dead-gif-10143241

[sudden wind]

Pot bot is really unfun

[cunning pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-meme-gif-7596913242651313594

https://tenor.com/view/sprunki-sprunki-incredibox-sprunki-purple-purple-sprunki-durple-gif-17158536061314630636

[steady rock]

paleontology: attack of brainrot

[stiff osprey]

who was it that asked me if these discussions make me smarter or stupider

[steady rock]

me

[sudden wind]

Falcon (idk (I lied))

[stiff osprey]

this is one of the rare examples of the latter

[cunning pilot]

wth

[steady rock]

the protoceratops in the mongolian fighting dinosaur fossil had the more fatal injurey correct?

[stiff osprey]

neither looks immediately fatal imo but the proto looks worse

[cunning pilot]

trike is best

[steady rock]

from what i remember, isnt the claw directly into the throat/windpipe or am i just miss remembering?

[river plinth]

Sue vs scotty who's taking the w yalls opinion

[steady rock]

wasnt scotty like, hella beat up and abused in his life

[brisk quiver]

Only 11-15 not big animal at alll loll

[scenic flame]

https://x.com/kakapojay/status/1903527661856506163?s=61&t=U-8Nd-G0-bCp3bt4Ljrgng

Jay (@KakapoJay) on X

Hatzegopteryx.

X · Mar 22, 2025, 7:22 PM

[outer tusk]

yeah 15,000kg isn't big at all 😭

[fossil ingot]

They have a 150kgs difference

[stiff osprey]

Whoever ate breakfast that day wins

[stiff osprey]

Hatz after tangling with a tyrannosaur (it read too many online azhdarchid hypeposts)

[upper pulsar]

Preciso ter Pc para poder ter um servidor, ou consigo ter pelo Playstation 5

[keen marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/anger-yelling-you-know-how-much-i-sacrificed-willen-dafoe-green-goblin-gif-15742158

Troodon after not being conisdered a valid genus:

[raven sequoia]

Anyone starting to notice the theme of the Rex getting larger with every mega patch? I mean when giga spino and my glorious goat suarophaganax (may his soul rest easy) the Rex gets a larger specimen I mean sue could have been larger cope at 12 tonnes and most recently Goliath pushing the scales at 13 meters and 12.9 to 13.1 tonnes. If we ever see a new larger megatherapod we might see the Rex hit 13-16 tonnes

Yes cope and Goliath are quite fragmentary so there sizes could change going higher or lower but if you deny cope. Or Goliath u deny charc

[warped peak]

Saurophaganax didn't really shrink

And Cope isn't at 12

[fossil ingot]

11.1t so Close enough I guess

[river plinth]

Happens with every new rex specimen discovery were media headlines over react on the whole could this t rex have possible been bigger?! :O

Why I wait it out a bit for some actual published stuff

Also I'd say saurophaganax got bigger since it's a whole sorapod

[raven sequoia]

Smart dude. I’m starting to think Rexes are just like those old dinosaur toys that grew in water lol.

[fossil ingot]

Tbf Cope's Material is overall Larger than Sue's and Scotty Material

[raven sequoia]

I ain’t been up to date in a while tbh been behind on my Dino studies didn’t know copes official was 11.1 but thanks for the insight. My goat saurophaganx will return to the realm of theras soon tho… I hope

[warped peak]

Saurophaganax still exists, it's literally just named A. anex now. Nothing else changed, including size

[raven sequoia]

I’m the ultimate Goliath glazer and charc denier really flipping the switches

[fossil ingot]

Technically bro got longer but skinnier

[raven sequoia]

Ohhh so it hasn’t become an invalid specimen like trodon it’s just being considered a type of allosaurus?

[river plinth]

True but we still to this day have ppl at each other's throats on whether he's actually big or just was out there making females jealous and other males question there perspective on life

[warped peak]

I mean that's exactly what happened to Troodon but yeah basically

[raven sequoia]

On bro we spinning for trodon im the biggest laten hater. If nano could have hope of being considered a valid specimen the trodon can return to us as well

[warped peak]

Laten isn't considered valid either if that counts

[raven sequoia]

YESSSSS

[tough parcel]

Troodon is a significantly different scenario than NanoT which is why it coming back will probably be on shaky grounds

Apparently not stopping people from trying but

[raven sequoia]

I swear they thanos snapping all my favourite dinosaurs let’s just hope meraxes giga and maip stay safe

[scenic flame]

it is like troodon in a way.

basically the holotype specimen-
(a holotype specimen is the original anchor specimen that any other specimens referred to the genus/species has to be compared too)
-was found to not be a theropod at all, but instead a sauropod, however all the other specimens referred to "Sauropahganax" were found to still be an allosauroid.

So now those specimens were lumped into the genus Allosaurus, and named as a new species of it Allosaurus anax.

Saurophaganax still exists, but it is now a sauropod

[scenic flame]

Allosaurus anax is basically identical to the old Saurophaganax appearance and size wise

[raven sequoia]

I thought u were the vividen for a second lol. But nah ima be real. Ima just not get attached to any dinosaur cuz in the snap of a finger boom. Just a young Rex or a sauropod or a entirely different sub division of species

[tough parcel]

Batesian mimicry strikes again

[scenic flame]

funnily enough that would be the 3rd time someone thought that

[raven sequoia]

So the saurophaganax larger than a spinosaurus was a sauropod but the one that was a bit smaller was a allosaurus. Better than nothing

[scenic flame]

purple = A. indet
red = A. fragilis
blue = A. jimmadseni
green = A. europaeus

[raven sequoia]

So many genuses Jesus lord. Ohhh I see it now.

[scenic flame]

Allosaurus = genus
anax/fragilis/jimmadseni/europaeus = species

[raven sequoia]

I’m still shocked that a carnivorous beast ended up being a sauropod shows how wild palaeontology can be at times

[scenic flame]

it's a product of bad palaeontology, iirc from the "bone wars" specifically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Wars

[raven sequoia]

So lazy and rushed fossil hunting created some of the biggest controversy in dinosaurs

[scenic flame]

I was wrong about it being from the bone wars, but tmk similar issues were made

[raven sequoia]

Praying and hoping that the spino aka the dinosaur I hate the most ends up being an oversized sauropod and the only valid genus is the oxolia. Damn near impossible but I hold out hope

[scenic flame]

that would be impossible since oxilaia was a terrible genus given how fragmentary it was, as well as the fact it was destroyed in a museum fire

[raven sequoia]

Missed but never forgotten. I just feel like the entire genus of spinosaurids is just weird dinosaurs the palaeontologists didn’t care about like ostafrikasaurus and irritator

[scenic flame]

irritator has gotten plenty of academic attention, such as the paper revising it's jaw anatomy
Ostafrikasaurus is a tooth, and might just be a ceratosaur, thus being a bad genus

[stiff osprey]

how can spinosaurus be an oversized sauropod if it's smaller than most sauropods 🤔

[raven sequoia]

✨science and stuff✨

[raven sequoia]

I wonder if most of the genus of spinosaurid is just a bunch of smaller spineless spinosaurs

Also I know that tooth gone be something big one day😭 I NEED THE JWTG OSTA TO BE REAL

[lilac hornet]

been talking about this all day but how we feeling about the possible cheeks thing? i've seen some renditions on rex where it just... gives them full on mammal cheeks and they look like demented horses so im curious. people here probably have more nuanced takes and im bored

these two are my fav takes that still look dinosaurian without looking like actual mammal cheeks

[raven sequoia]

I like Dino cheeks. That sounds very bad but ima stick with the statement

[stiff osprey]

the one in the top of emily stepp's is a good interpretation, i dislike the other 2 as they fail to show any indication of the cheek muscle at all

[scenic flame]

I'm not sure if it could quite look like that since the jugal sticks out in the above drawings a fair bit still, maybe the left one is fine

[lilac hornet]

ahh ok that makes sense!

other examples i've seen were like these and these just... feel wrong? like I don't think carnivorous theropods would have a reason for the cheeks to be that far up the face, namely the left one

[stiff osprey]

tbf the left one looks bad because it is just not a good reconstruction of rex in general

but the right one is consistent with what condors have

[scenic flame]

those and especially the left one are taken it abit far, the green area is roughly where the attachement is

[raven sequoia]

right one looks like a hadrosaur with an elongated mouth

[lilac hornet]

that's what i was thinking... it just felt off to me, the right one especially but i think that could also be because it just... is kind of an unappealing rendition? I can't even tell if it's supposed to be a rex or a smaller/younger tyrannosaur

if it is a rex wouldn't the head be bulkier?

[raven sequoia]

Ik it just feels odd

[lilac hornet]

OOH ok that looks a lot better

[raven sequoia]

I’d love to see the beasts of Mesozoic figures like that one of the best models ive seen

[tacit pine]

Anyone got a up to date krono skeletal? And preferably any top or front view refs?

[sterile trail]

Those two knuckleheads....

[scenic flame]

do note that the fins are at an angle

[opaque kayak]

I do think tosha updated this one a bit more to have a slightly more thick body

[scenic flame]

oh thanks

[sterile trail]

Guys, what is y'alls favorite marine reptile?

[outer tusk]

hey Vividen :)))))) ( can I use this head ref on the left )

[scenic flame]

I didn't make it

[outer tusk]

do you know who did

[scenic flame]

idr, was somewhere in KoI I think is where I found it

[opaque kayak]

😔 I'm not in the server

[fluid inlet]

We don’t care about your cheeks

[ionic crescent]

Troodon holotype is pachycephalosaurus :x

[steady rock]

how possible would this have been? ( 2 allosaurus's standing on a apato to prevent it from getting up , wait for me to get the gif. )

[steady rock]

here

[topaz shell]

https://tenor.com/view/allosaurus-apatosaurus-attacking-walking-with-dinosaurs-animated-gif-17308946

Dude why is the stop watch so long

[steady rock]

it use to be 1:30

but would the weight of 2 allos really hold down a apato?

[hardy sentinel]

It would sure as hell keep it off balance

[snow python]

Didn't that apato broke its leg?

[scenic flame]

yeah iirc it fell down a the hill you see behind it

[steady rock]

well if they werent bullying a crippled apato would the outcome have been the same? or would it have been able to ghet up despite the weight?

2 allos would be like, 4 tons? 6 tons?

[hardy sentinel]

Well if the Apato was on it's back, the Allos would keep it off balance, even if it was upright two Allos slamming into you (despite being way lighter) would knock you off balace

[steady rock]

yeah your right, do you think it was a potential hunting strategy?

[hardy sentinel]

maybe

[umbral kite]

tarbosaur jump scare

[sterile trail]

a

[hallow spear]

These are not that isn’t how accuracy works

And regardless of that you still scaled the Titanosaur elements

[outer tusk]

Just curious what do you guys think this tyrannosaur head looks most similar too

( since it's kind of meant to be a Tarbo

[fluid inlet]

Was going to say this looks like kuitaran drawings and then realized it’s kuitaran

[outer tusk]

💀

[tacit pine]

Mid

[winter marsh]

a zhucheng that slammed its head into a titanium wall, and the roof fell on top of it (jk it looks like tarbo but it has a weird underbite and a square skull)

[tacit pine]

Beasts of the mesozoic cooked on there tarbo ngl

[winter marsh]

also it looks awkwardly megalosaur-esque

[stable sun]

Purple isn't A. anax, it's Allosaurus indeterminate species

[scenic flame]

oh

[keen marlin]

am i the only one that wonders why Rex looks like a bear in some artistic styles?

and i mean the front of the rex's snout looks bear like (refrensing this image)

[umbral kite]

yes

[keen marlin]

last thing a juvenile Edmont sees (its a 6 ton sub adult Tyranosaur)

[umbral kite]

nah the mommy would die to save it also i thought trex weighted more

[keen marlin]

last thing the mommy sees behind it:

[steady rock]

nah i'd win

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/gadzovenator/status/1903545884534579291?s=46

𝕲𝖆𝖉𝖟 🦂 (@gadzovenator) on X

giants.

Ficou uma merda mas é oque tem pra hj
#spinosaurus vs #carcharodontosaurus

X · Mar 22, 2025, 8:34 PM

[keen marlin]

rex weighs 9 tons on average i mentioned sub adult rex also spinosaurus isnt weak its just that ww2 did it dirty (litearlly)

[steady rock]

how does ww2 impact spino being weak or not, anything is weak against a bomb

[umbral kite]

who wins a group 3 of young trex or a two full grown parasaurphols

[steady rock]

probably the rex's as para is only 6 tons

[fossil ingot]

Rex is on Average 7.5-8.1 tons
And we do have an Adult 6 ton Rex
Well depends what you see as Adult ngl

[sullen cairn]

one of the more liberating things in life is realizing "adult dinosaur" is a made up word term that doesnt actually mean anything

[fossil ingot]

Real

[lilac hornet]

large head with wide proportions paired up with tiny forward facing eyes

i see it too

[drifting condor]

Few questions about Edmontonosaurus

1. Was it light enough to run on 2 legs
   2.What plants did they eat
   3.Did they have any defenses against Tyrannosaurus?

[stiff osprey]

the adults could not run but they could powerwalk on two legs, same as rex

[umbral kite]

alaberate

[sullen cairn]

what constitutes an "adult" dinosaur is entirely contingent on who you ask

[stiff osprey]

they probably ate a wide variety of plants of which i can't name any off the top of my head, but their dental batteries are extremely sophisticated so i doubt there was much it couldn't eat

their defenses against tyrannosaurus included spotting tyrannosaurus before it spotted them and running away

[frigid delta]

Edmonto the second they see Rex:

[lone wraith]

Have u seen the papers about how ed can cause extreme injury with its back kicks, and there tales where incredible stiff and could be used as a weapon.

[frigid delta]

they don't have weapons like that cuz they're fodder and weak
the weakest animal in Hell Creek
glad it died

[stiff osprey]

sadly i do not have the energy for the musthposting today

[frigid delta]

no need random
cuz the reality?
Edmonto deserve it

[brave nova]

What did Ed do

[stiff osprey]

I agree
once you've seen what edmont looks like from the front you start thanking tyrannosaurus for keeping their numbers in check

[lone wraith]

They are capable creatures that can defend themselves and they are not the weakest in Hell creek they are just weaker then most rexes and trike

[frigid delta]

what did Ed CAN even do??? (besides running away)

[lone wraith]

And shant a close relative of ed was bigger then some sauropods and could easily kill a Rex

[brave nova]

Big slap from big tail most likely

[frigid delta]

Rex go chomp
Edmont go lose tail

[stiff osprey]

luckily shant never killed a rex because it never met one

the face of the killer

[lilac hornet]

chad tbh, i like his wattle

[lone wraith]

They have a back kick strong enough to cause extreme injury

[brave nova]

The Rex dying when it gets outranged 🗣️

[frigid delta]

"Zebra can kill a Lion bcuz they have a kick"

-# they can't

[lilac hornet]

except they sometimes do... lions can die when hunting

[brave nova]

Ed definitely wouldn’t be a push over especially if u get one like X-Rex

[stiff osprey]

the mighty zebra's kill count of 1 lion (rumored) vs the feeble lion's kill count of 184717737 zebras (confirmed)

[lone wraith]

Alright I need all of u to go do some research on ed and shantungosaurus

[lilac hornet]

it's asinine to say that it never happens, obviously zebras aren't killing lions left and right but to say it never happens is blatantly false, that just isn't how reality works

also just because a human doesn't document it doesn't mean it never happens

[stiff osprey]

a human has died from drowning in a dog water bowl

this means dog water bowls are fearsome fighters and a fair match for humans

[lone wraith]

They can crush stuff with there weight kill stuff with there kicks and slap stuff with their tale

[lilac hornet]

ok buddy

[sullen cairn]

oh thank god i was getting worried paleostream/pk might be more obnoxious than pot today

[light osprey]

This is true. I suspect both the zebra and Edmontosaurus probably frequently kill their contemporary predators. Perhaps as we’ve already begun to observe in the current, often consume them as well

[undone rapids]

Maybe dogs made dog water bowls to hunt humans....

[lone wraith]

Comparing ed to a zebra is just not a good comparison, ed weighs more then Rex and can kill it if the Rex is not stupid, zebras are smaller then lions and are faster. Plus ed probably lived in groups

[frigid delta]

dumb ways to die

[light osprey]

Wow really? Man Edmontosaurus is the real king of the dinosaurs

[compact leaf]

zebras both live in large groups and weigh more than lions

[sullen cairn]

i actually agree with this because zebras arent several tonnes smaller than lions

[stiff osprey]

unlike edmontosaurus, which does not weigh more than rex minus the 2 dubious large specimens that may not even be edmont

[undone rapids]

Most edmontos, were smaller than adult rexes. The big xrex sized edmontos were extremely rare pretty sure

[frigid delta]

where even is that chart of Rex & Edmonto size comp???

[lilac hornet]

i never made the comparison, I was just saying there are cases where the prey can kill the predator (zebra and lion in the comparison someone made)

so an ed killing a rex has probably happened on occasion

[frigid delta]

that Shant & Zhucheng
i'm asking Edmonto & Rex

[lone wraith]

Most rexes are small people need to give hadrosaurs credit they where one of the most successful groups of dinosaurs

[stiff osprey]

at some point in history an edmontosaurus probably killed a rex

but as mentioned before, this means very little when things such as trees and water bowls have also killed apex predators at some point in history

[light osprey]

Much like how the antelope has definitely killed the lion

[compact leaf]

hadrosaurs were successful because they bred fast and were good at detecting predators and running away, acting like they need to kill predators to be successful is honestly more disrespectful to the group

[sullen cairn]

hadrosaurs are cool but this is generally for reasons other than being able to manhandle tyrannosaurins

[lilac hornet]

hunts on large prey are never not risky because 'predator have big teeth and bite', there's always some inherent risk

also im not sure what the waterbowl comparison means since that isn't related to a predator/prey relationship between animals, it's objects.

[fluid inlet]

Cook ignore the theropod fan boys

[frigid delta]

they're the same size

[light osprey]

Yeah these guys are glazing tyrannosaurus hard

[lilac hornet]

mfw you dare imply a predator can die to their prey in a hunting scenario ig 😔

[undone rapids]

Hadrosaurs weren't successful cuz they were fighting off theropods frequently, they were just good at walking/running away, the best defense.

[compact leaf]

don’t forget breeding fast

[sullen cairn]

but i think the broader point here is that in terms of general ecology/interspecific interaction there usually isnt major concern for fatal injury when hunting something like 2/3rds your size that lacks any clear combatative adaptations

[stiff osprey]

my question is what does saying "this animal was dangerous because maybe, at some point in history, if i really dream about it, it killed a predator" achieve

[undone rapids]

Don't think anyone said that's impossible for rex to die to edmonto, just would happen very infrequently... Idk if that's a word

[lilac hornet]

like im not even saying "edmonto can solo 1v1 a rex in every scenario ever cause it's stronger"

im just saying rex wasn't impervious to damage and isn't immune to being harmed by the things it hunts

[fluid inlet]

They didn’t say edmontosaurus was killing T. rex all the time

[light osprey]

Yes the Edmontosaurus faced very little concern when hunting 2/3rds of its size tyrant lizard

[sullen cairn]

this is true but like any hadrosaur that isnt edmontosaurus annectens would better illustrate this point

[frigid delta]

conclusion: Edmonto (and other hadrosaurs in general, yes you also included Shant) deserves being a fodder (why are you running?)

[lilac hornet]

idk what is ANY of this achieving really? it's a discussion, i saw a weird comparison and people acting like an animal was untouchable and just pointed out that no, it isn't

[fluid inlet]

In retrospect I choose horrible colors but it’s my first time drawing spinosaurus and using these crayons

[small geyser]

There’s gotta be a full moon out somewhere because this chat is sillier than usual

[stiff osprey]

are the people saying rex was untouchable in the room with us

[frigid delta]

fool, witness the power of Rex the Invincible

[lilac hornet]

here

[fluid inlet]

T. rex was blind and a scavenger

[undone rapids]

The echolocation theropod...

[stiff osprey]

horrible choice of example but i admit gorilla was going overboard with the edmont was fodder thing

[sullen cairn]

however i think there might be some loose indicators gorilla was being somewhat ironic as well

[compact leaf]

perchance several people were being ironic

[frigid delta]

😔

[lilac hornet]

genuinely hard to tell if they were, i've seen people say this stuff unironically too so oof

[steady rock]

i have a question, would ramming into a smaller sauropod a valid strategy of hunting as your knocking it off balance? like, rex ramming into the side of a ( idk what growht stage ) but a 15 ton alamosaurus

[light osprey]

Perhaps we could point each instance out

[undone rapids]

Don't think so, would be worse for rex

[fluid inlet]

Gotta go ask the theropods that hunted smaller sauropods

[frigid delta]

yeah... i admit i hated hadrosaur
they pmo srry 💔

[steady rock]

this comment hand me thinking so i now ask

[stiff osprey]

i don't think rex was ramming into anything to knock it over because if the rex also happens to knock itself over in the process that's several broken bones

[compact leaf]

it would have to be a theropod light enough to not seriously injure itself in the process and also a sauropod small enough to even get knocked over

[lilac hornet]

i could maybe see a rex figuring out how to knock over an ankylosaurus but straight on ramming things seems too risky, yeah

[steady rock]

this will be a weird question, what would be the dinosaur with the best balance? ( if this question makes sense )

[fluid inlet]

Ankylo has never lost to a Rex , show me the source

[frigid delta]

Rex when uhh...
when Alamo:

[undone rapids]

Ceratopsians i think

[fossil ingot]

Rex food(this ain't edmonto)

[lilac hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-trex-killing-ankylosaurus-dinosaur-gif-17293459

[frigid delta]

uhh... Bars?

[stiff osprey]

would be kinda hard to find the fossil of an ankylosaur that got eaten by rex on account of it being eaten by a rex

[steady rock]

thats not anky because that is a asian ankylosaur, the reason rex is there is because rex wanted the spotlight in tarbosaurus the mighest ever

[fossil ingot]

Shant and Cope

[light osprey]

Tarchia, synonym of the Ankylus

[stiff osprey]

tbf if T.rex can randomly migrate to mongolia for the plot then why couldn't ankylosaurus

[frigid delta]

even Shant weren't save 😔
-# they may never met but imagine one

[light osprey]

The humble fodder?

[lilac hornet]

nah you got a point

[fossil ingot]

Kinda?
They Family sure

[steady rock]

well actually, the rex in the tarbosaurus the mighest ever is the same rex from dinosaurs of america, basically
after the tarbos pushed the rex into the water, the rex ended up back in america where it lived out the rest of the days as a scavenger stealing from the true apex, archeraptor

[frigid delta]

uhh...
yeah! (no i regret it)

[fossil ingot]

Peak is here

[lilac hornet]

it forever amuses me that these animals were so 'short' that i could pat them on the head easy

[steady rock]

how screwed would the negment formation be if rex lived there instead of tarbo?

[frigid delta]

my intrusive thought i should kick its head bcuz how short he is

[compact leaf]

probably fine still for the most part tbh

[fossil ingot]

Peak 2 too

[light osprey]

Heh, so screwed

[steady rock]

the only dijnosaur i feel like would suffer is theri

[stiff osprey]

Deinocheirus and Saurolophus probably wouldn't even notice the difference

[light osprey]

The Jenghizkhan will be extirpated

[compact leaf]

opisthocoelicaudia might have to put in a bit more work but it’s still definitely big enough to fend off a rex

[fossil ingot]

Prob.
Rex on Average is Already Larger than Duck by almost 1 ton.
Saurolophus is just watching Tarbo Prime

@stiff osprey what anky lived with Tarbo Again?
Saichania was it?

[stiff osprey]

For the ankylosaurs i imagine the local bone cruncher suddenly doubling in size would be a problem

[frigid delta]

huh?

[lilac hornet]

... woah.

poor guy is obeast

[light osprey]

Double? Perhaps you have not heard that the tarbus specimen is merely a sub adult? The tyrant perhaps each the size of its North American brethren

[stiff osprey]

How Opisthocoelicaudia would fare depends if the one specimen we have is an adult or not, there seem to be quite a few indeterminate nemegt sauropods larger than it

[small geyser]

Too many veggie burgers

[fossil ingot]

Pin 511-1( I think thats how its Written)
Its an Adult

[compact leaf]

a few of those could still be opistho and/or nemegtosaurus too, god sauropods are so fun

[light osprey]

Imposibl

[fossil ingot]

And even Pin 551-1 its smaller than what is Considered the Smallest Adult Rex which iirc its a 6t Animal

[steady rock]

would theri have any way of defending itself against rex? i dont believe it was the fastest

[frigid delta]

claw wasn't even working either...

[stiff osprey]

we don't even know how theri defended itself against tarbosaurus

but evidently it worked, given that theri existed for millions of years

[light osprey]

The keratin gave the claw the strength to destroy any beta tyranno theropod

[fossil ingot]

Theri is Kinda....
Ooff
Height Intimidation is what bro has left.
And its Claws but Claws are more intimidation than actual defense

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-trex-fighting-dinosaur-gif-17293452

[lilac hornet]

could it be that maybe people were off about the claws and they were stronger in life than we thought? /gen

cause i can't imagine how else they defended themselves

[frigid delta]

that's too many stress

[light osprey]

I wonder where this was filmed

[fossil ingot]

Theri when it remembers its claws are horrible at handling Stress and can broke easily:

@lilac hornet Theri is TALL asf, Maybe it had Intimidation Factor, Looking Tougher than it actually is

[steady rock]

would those claws shatter if it tried to do it irl

[umbral kite]

then wat did it use to fight back or protect it self it destroytive bite force

[frigid delta]

yep

[stiff osprey]

i mean the claws probably couldn't slice a tarbosaurus into 4 pieces but being slapped probably still hurt enough that you wouldn't want it to happen to you

[fossil ingot]

Intimidation Factor I am Guessing?
Not the first time we have seen it.

Its a VERY tall Animal and even if Claws weren't as useful as Previously Thought they look Scary.

[inland silo]

Anyone got a good skeletal reference for Nigersaurus, Ive seen like 3 and idk what is the most accurate we have rn

[steady rock]

how "Effective" i guess would deinocherius's claws be in combat?

[lilac hornet]

I guess maybe intimidation? but i dont know considering tarbo was likely hunting prey that had more heft to it maybe? like idk if a creature with a tall noodle neck is as intimidating long term, especially if the animals learn they just 'look' scary

[umbral kite]

most likely it would be like u have a knife but the other guy has sword but the sword woulf break on impact but would u want to mess with theM

[stiff osprey]

perhaps the male therizinosaurus had feeble claws for display while the females had razor sharp claws to kill predators

and yeah, intimidation only works until one predator is bold enough to try it anyway

[frigid delta]

slice: broke
stab: broke
anything else: broke
Theri: broke

[fossil ingot]

If Bud was living, he must had smth

[steady rock]

what was the latest survivng north american therinosaurid?

[light osprey]

Trackways

[frigid delta]

what lives in the upper?

[lilac hornet]

that's what makes me curious cause evidently theri had SOMETHING going on that made things think twice, im just not so sure it was just the size/height, cause once a predator is bold enough that won't matter to them if they try it

[stiff osprey]

tarbo was also hunting sauropods, deinocheirus and saurolophus, all of which are larger than theri

[steady rock]

barsboldia scared tarbo off with its aura

[fossil ingot]

Yeah, Theri is what
100kgs heavier than Pin 551-1 lol

[frigid delta]

Saurolophus as in this guy?

[light osprey]

So much aura

[steady rock]

do you guys think there was ever a american theri the size of therinosaurus?

[fossil ingot]

No thats Parasaurolophus
We are talking about Saurolophus

[stiff osprey]

pretty sure those are aliens

[sullen cairn]

UCMP 137538

[lilac hornet]

the only thing that comes to mind is that maybe theri claws were brittle due to fossilization and that in life they were stronger but im not well versed in how likely that is. I just can't imagine the claws are just solely for display/feeding

[fossil ingot]

TABLE.
How Heavy is the Perolo you scaled?
The one of 79cm Femur?

[frigid delta]

buddy...

[light osprey]

Perhaps the Therizinosaurus would borrow the Saurolohus’s shotgun

[stiff osprey]

like i've never played carnivores but i'm pretty sure the lore is that you go to an alien planet to hunt things that just happen to look like dinosaurs

[frigid delta]

nah he already have one

[compact leaf]

heavy r selection doesn’t seem like it would be a thing for large therizinosaurs so they had to be doing something to reduce adult mortality

[sullen cairn]

the theri claw thing is less the bone texture and more the shape being super long and thin and thus handling mechanical stresses relatively poorly

which granted could've been at least somewhat offset by however the keratin sheath adjusted the claw shape in life but imo it is at least notable that the bonecore performs markedly worse than every other theropod claw bonecore (ergo for whatever reason there's something funky going on with em)

[light osprey]

Perhaps they are doing r selection

[stiff osprey]

tbf it is entirely possible theri grew like a hadrosaur given that no one would have expected ceratosaurus to reach full size in <6 years until the paper came out last month

[steady rock]

whats heavy r suelection?

[compact leaf]

even then heavily r selected species usually have some obvious way of reducing adult mortality, like turtles and sauropods have robust defense and hadrosaurs have running, theri is just weird

[lilac hornet]

that's interesting, i had heard they were brittle but never really had it explained why people said that, so thank you for explaining!

[sullen cairn]

like 3t upscaling gsp's sauropelta

[light osprey]

Therizinosaurus perhaps preferred to live away from hospitable environments

[stiff osprey]

turns out predicting growth rate of a dinosaur based on vibes is hard actually

also tbf(2) adult therizinosaurus has exactly one natural predator so its mortality can't have been that high

[fossil ingot]

I wonder if Sucho's Claw handle Stress well?

[compact leaf]

the flamingo strat

[light osprey]

This is why it is uncommon in the Nemegt fm

[lilac hornet]

man i had no idea sucho's arms were that big...

like i knew they were big but seeing a human arm in comparison really emphasizes it

[fossil ingot]

Thats surprisingly Light lol

[steady rock]

dont forget, it could snow in nemegt

[stiff osprey]

This has triggered edmontonian

[light osprey]

Impossible, the Cretaceous was the greenhouse, which cuased the earth to be tropical

[frigid delta]

cuased?

[light osprey]

A lapse in my typing ability 😞

[stiff osprey]

For some reason i thought you were against putting snow in Nemegt

Perhaps i was thinking of the hell creek

[steady rock]

could it snow in hell creek?

[compact leaf]

we don’t talk about the formation with the therizinosaur trackways enough, weird fog land

[fossil ingot]

He was Big.
He didn't skip Arm Day

[lilac hornet]

that skeleton about to get the hug of a lifetime

[light osprey]

Based on the temperature extrapolations for the lower hell creek, I would say it would’ve absolutely snowed, and can affirm it does indeed snow (though infrequently) at least in one cited example of a comparative to the hell creek that I’m a resident of

[frigid delta]

that skeleton about to get bombed

[fluid inlet]

My arms bigger

[steady rock]

were spinosaurids only in africa, europe and asia? ( and south america )

[frigid delta]

Montanaspinus

[light osprey]

Essentially all Isotopic studies would also generally support a temperate climate for the hell creek but the way some paleobotanist talk about the environment, you would’ve thought it was nearly tropical

[stiff osprey]

they were probably in antarctica at some point but like big ice cap doesn't want you to know that

[steady rock]

i wonder why spinosaurids never got to america

[stiff osprey]

the fact allosauroids could get from north america to europe but spinosaurids apparently never made the opposite trip is strange

[compact leaf]

only marginally related but random do you know what brick thinks hughendens sauropod is? I asked the other day but it got buried

[light osprey]

The humble spreading of continents

[lilac hornet]

is there any comparisons between oxalaia vs spinosaurus?
or is it still debated if they're separate species or not?

[frigid delta]

Spino get bombed
Oxa get burned

[compact leaf]

I know it was a brachiosaur back in the day but I have literally seen it mentioned like twice in my whole life

[fossil ingot]

Oxalaia was like destroy
So make it Mini Spino

[lilac hornet]

oh wow that's much smaller

[frigid delta]

uhh Srumis where's Sigil's sail?

[fluid inlet]

Different species, different eras, different regions

[stiff osprey]

i do know he thought it was a brachiosaur 3 years ago but that's it

[compact leaf]

I can’t even find pictures of the thing

[fossil ingot]

Its similar in size to Spino's Holotype and Neotype.
Its alr

@frigid delta Random made the Chart.
His Sigil has Sail but this one Sail is Shorter
You can make it Either, I personally Prefer Short Sail Sigil

Short Sail Sigil just has a Cooler Aura imo idk

[stiff osprey]

to be fair oxalaia is the same size or larger than the majority of spino specimens

it just happens that no one cares about any of them besides the giants

did not mean to ping you, mb

[frigid delta]

there's an ouranosaur?

[fossil ingot]

Spino when its Neotype and Holotype are smaller than Sucho's Holotype

(Suchos fault for been massive)

[frigid delta]

who invite blud

[lilac hornet]

you good!I find it interesting how yeah, compared to the other spinosaurids on the list apart from sucho, sigil, and spino, it's about on par with them now that you mention it. really just makes sucho and the bigger guys even more weird

[stiff osprey]

for some reason it feels wrong that rebbachisaurus is from kem kem

i feel like it should be from elrhaz or something

[frigid delta]

what abt the ouranosaur?

[outer tusk]

rebbachisaurus was actually a male nigersaurus 🙂

[light osprey]

The trackway

[stiff osprey]

the iguanodont is known from 1 footprint so 50/50 on whether you restore it after ourano or after lurdu

however restoring it after lurdu would make it unreasonably large so i picked ourano

[fossil ingot]

Evolution hits hard

[frigid delta]

erm planet dinosaur Carcha vs Spino for ouranosaur real?

[steady rock]

can you show us the size if you used lurdu instead?

[light osprey]

Berthasaur Afromimus is a skinwalker

[stiff osprey]

no because i'm not at home but i assume it would be unreasonable because lurdu is famously short toed

^sadly afromimus is like the 1 taxon that forms berthasauridae alongside bertha itself

[lilac hornet]

naming a dino "bertha's afro" is crazy work

[fluid inlet]

Rebbachisaurus just by looking at it is in the same family as giraffititan right?

[stiff osprey]

yes but also no

"R.tamasnensis" is probably a brachiosaurid but it isn't actually Rebbachisaurus, hence the quotes

[halcyon cobalt]

wasn’t the holotype like 4 tons

[fossil ingot]

Spino Holotype is like the size of Oxalaia in the chart above, maybe even smaller

[fluid inlet]

Now I’m curious to know how many different sauropod families are there I never actually gave it the thought

[halcyon cobalt]

7 maybe 7.2

[compact leaf]

there’s a lot but there’s also a lot of sauropods that don’t actually have a family they just kind of float between groups, a lot of somphospondyls are that way

[stiff osprey]

there's like a half dozen neatly defined sauropod families that stay consistent, and then once you get into somphospondyli the entire concept of families kind of dies

[fluid inlet]

Unlike carcharodontosauria , tyrannosaurids , spinosaurids , abelisaurid ect I do not know any sauropod family species , at least not by name I can look at the body type and put it together on what it’s likely related to.

[compact leaf]

one of like two non titanosaur somphospondyl families also likes to uproot and move over by mamenchisaurs

dinosaur paleo also just doesn’t have especially rigorous determinants for what actually is a family, it’s internally consistent within some clades but inconsistent between them

[stiff osprey]

brachiosauridae = self explanatory
diplodocidae = also self explanatory
mamenchisauridae = the asian ones with too much neck
dicraeosauridae = amargasaurus and friends
rebbachisauridae = nigersaurus and friends
camarasauridae = camarasaurus and like 2-3 other guys

and then everything else is just evil

[steady rock]

where are turisaurus and zby?

[frigid delta]

turi and who?

[jade hollow]

What about the titanosauridae?

[compact leaf]

turiasauridae is it’s own family with its own set of weird things

[stiff osprey]

turiasauria is a thing but i don't think the family turiasauridae exists?

[fluid inlet]

Yeah see I recognize 4 out of 6 of them not the other 2 dicrasosauridae and rebbachisauridae but actually I’ll chop it up to giraffititan

[compact leaf]

it sort of does in some matrices but it isn’t consistent, turiasauria could reasonably be moved to family level but nobody will because they’re disgusting and evil

[halcyon cobalt]

basic basal sauropods are beautiful

[stiff osprey]

titanosauridae got split up into saltasauridae (which is really inconsistent), nemegtosauridae (which is usually just the same 2-3 guys known from skulls), rinconsauria, lognkosauria, and the random titanosaurs that float around

[fluid inlet]

What family is Shunosaurus ? Mamenchisauridas?

[compact leaf]

but not the australian dudes they don’t get to be actual titanosaurs anymore

[hallow spear]

Eusauropoda iirc

[stiff osprey]

shuno is more basal than any of the families i think

although it splits off around the same time as mamenchisaurs

[steady rock]

is plateosauridae a family or no

[fluid inlet]

Random didn’t list that family so that’s another family then

[compact leaf]

it isn’t helped that even within sauropod families it gets a little weird, like diplodocines and apatosaurines being a family is inconsistent with some things being not in the same family, they wording came out weird but we’re gonna roll with it

[fossil ingot]

Shuno is cool
MUSHROOMS

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/shunosaurus-gif-26685455

[stiff osprey]

nah eusauropoda is a clade that includes all of those families

shuno gets to be eusauropoda indeterminate because it doesn't fall into any of them

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/maes-b-lost-in-a-field-pulp-fiction-john-travolta-gif-14829328

[compact leaf]

dinosaur phylogenetics as a whole could use a bit of a revision if only to clarify the inconsistencies beyond genus level distinctions, but reasonably nobody ever will because it’d definitely drive them insane

[scenic flame]

the tyrannosaur must watch it's back when the mighty tree is in musth...

[stiff osprey]

same goes for any extinct group really

theropod and ornithischian phylogeny is quite consistent as far as mesozoic groups go, sauropods just kinda suck because turns out it's actually hard to classify animals if you never find their heads

[fossil ingot]

I prefer this Lads.
This is my Puru is one of my Fav Animals

[scenic flame]

M.A.D.

[stiff osprey]

like according to sauropod workers the vertebrae are often more diagnostic than the skulls, but coincidentally every sauropod family that has stood the test of time has at least one member with a complete skull preserved

[fossil ingot]

Look at this Cutie.
I love Crocodilians so much

[hallow spear]

Why is that shuno posed to weirdly

[stiff osprey]

the claws would actually break immediately upon contact, but therizinosaurus was extremely skilled at aiming exactly at the eyes

[fossil ingot]

Gus did it iirc

[stiff osprey]

it only gets one shot... but it never misses

[compact leaf]

doesn’t help that sometimes all we have to go off is neither of those things

[fluid inlet]

New sauropod species when

[fossil ingot]

I want New and More Complete Puru Specimens

[scenic flame]

[compact leaf]

in theory we could apply some of the rules that build modern family level splits and it would probably start blowing things up while still helping, but we’d still be stuck with the fragmentary things that can float anywhere

[scenic flame]

I like to this Titanosauria was cursed by it's name sake, which tmk has kind of been ignored since the 2010s

[hardy sentinel]

For anyone who says birds aren't dinosaurs have clearly never seen the Parrot Beak Aseel Chicken

[stiff osprey]

spino neotype this, carch neotype that, meanwhile titanosaurus going without a neotype for like 120 years despite being THE sauropod outside of north america

[fluid inlet]

Which dinosaur species has the most different families in its clade

[hardy sentinel]

Most different families like diversity or most morphologically different? It's Theropods either way but phrase the question better

[light osprey]

I assume you’re referring to the Cantwell fm, which is interpreted as having a much less precipitous habit than the Prince Creek fm. I suspect the heavy fog/cloud saturation is an artefact of the Campanian, not the Maastrichtian

[steady rock]

didnt stegosaurids originate from america or asia?

[hardy sentinel]

I think it's Asia, since they have African ranges which may have been harder to achieve from North American bases (Also i'm pretty sure the oldest Stegosaurian fossils are from Asia)

[compact leaf]

euhelopidae occasionally uprooting to completely outside macronaria for the meme makes me wonder what other things are capable of blowing up

[stiff osprey]

huabeisauridae: hmm today we will become titanosaurs
euhelopodidae: hmm today we will become mamenchisaurs

also those 2: constantly switching species between each other

????

[outer tusk]

do we have any isotopes from tyrannosaurus

[steady rock]

why was segnosauridae switched to therinosauridae?

[stiff osprey]

therizinosauridae is the older name, but it and segnosauridae were not initially recognized as being the same family because theri was thought to be a weird turtle thing

[steady rock]

ooh okay

[compact leaf]

just collapse the basal end into brachiosauridae, put euhelopodids and haubesaurids somewhere random (by wheel spin) and pretend everything else doesn’t exist

[outer tusk]

sauropod paleo peps should do a spin wheel to see which name is the best choice

[teal torrent]

Hello

[fluid inlet]

Is there strong evidence for pterosaurs evolving from lagerpetids?

[steady rock]

for how long could i outrun a sauropod for?

[umbral kite]

maybe a while also how fast could braco run

[stiff osprey]

i mean if you can't outrun it right from the starting point you're probably not catching up

however at the same time i doubt any sauropod could move at top speed for more than a few minutes

[opaque kayak]

TBF we have a virtually semi complete one rn iirc

[steady rock]

lets say, im racing a turisaurus, whats its max speed compared to me?

[stiff osprey]

turia has immense legs so it's probably scarily fast

I'd guess 21-25kmh

[outer tusk]

if I increase that size using Francop that would be about say 15kmh?

[fossil ingot]

WE NEED MORE

[stiff osprey]

praying for the day it turns out puru and deino's vertebrae were measured with different standards and puru is actually larger

it would simply be so funny

[tough parcel]

Says the biased skeletal maker!

[fossil ingot]

Puru spotted

[fluid inlet]

Deinosuchus just sounds so much more cooler than Purussaurus

[stiff osprey]

sadly that is true

Terrible Croc vs Lizard from Place

[fossil ingot]

Which name is for who?

[steady rock]

lets put on our thinking caps

[tough parcel]

Random no

[stiff osprey]

I was just going to post

[tough parcel]

Maybe we should all just a little sometimes

[thorn grove]

never

[fluid inlet]

Nothing new on siats huh

[fossil ingot]

He Truly downsize Deino cause Deino sucks(Deino is still cool)

[outer tusk]

and the deino fans still rioted

[fossil ingot]

Deino fanz when the Supposed 14t Gator is just +6t(Still massive):

[iron halo]

They should get downsized again so that rhamphosuchus can be on top (it would be funny)

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Bro is the Longest so thats smth

[opaque kayak]

The gang

[pallid crescent]

lies.. purussaurus is like one of my favourite names ever

purussaurus baryonyx and irritator are my top dino names, you cannot change my mind!!!

[outer tusk]

purussaurus is a fraud because it is "saurus" in it's name which should only be used for dinosaurs not crocs!!!!

[fluid inlet]

Well it’s a good thing I’m not trying change your mind 🤣

[pallid crescent]

Sh.... shhh... i know.. but... purussaurus.. like.. purr... and.. he looks round.. so...

[floral ivy]

The first report of Mosasaur from India (North eastern part)
https://www.instagram.com/p/DHGkJfWS2Eu/

tauriel_ig

Mosasaur teeth were discovered in the Krem Puri cave in Meghalaya, India. Krem Puri is one of the world's longest sandstone caves, and during an exploration in 2018, researchers found fossilized teeth belonging to Mosasaur, a large marine reptile that lived around 70 million years ago during the Cretaceous period.

Mosasaur fossils are significa...

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[frigid delta]

paleontology aside, imma leave this here to remind y'all they're both animals, neither are nice nor evil

[hardy sentinel]

I don't usually scroll twitter, but I found this and apparently a lot of people on twitter are updating their paleoart over this? Can someone explain please?

[thorn grove]

well fair enough there are definitely parallels in how people discuss certain extinct animals

[frigid delta]

honestly i also surprised i save sm defence previously but to summarize up
here you go, yw

[teal torrent]

Does anybody know why T. rex is such a big thing there are plenty of other Dino’s why T. rex is it cause of Jurassic park or what just curios

[topaz shell]

It’s just popular
And other stuff

||Which it should be||

[fluid inlet]

Evil and good well really rules is just a made up human term to have rules in society and not have full blown chaos everywhere

[teal torrent]

Are birds really super close to dinosaurs or is it a theory because crocodiles are also really similar and there were Dino crocs like sarco and dieno

[opaque kayak]

Largest carnivorous dinosaur, as well as the largest land carnivore ever. Also, much more complete then almost any theropod, and was also known & popular for a much longer time

[fluid inlet]

Having the most complete fossils of any mega theropod and by a huge margin, that is bound to happen. People want to put something out there that they have a lot of data on.

For an example, this doesn’t apply to everyone but when I buy dinosaur models I won’t ever buy anything very fragmentary because stuff is bound to change in the model if/when they find more material.

[teal torrent]

I used to want to buy a trex skull then saw the price now I will stick to models and spino teeth

[fluid inlet]

Dilophosaurus skull better >

[topaz shell]

Birds are dinosaurs

Maniraptorians if I spelled it right

[teal torrent]

How accurate is PoT and the isle to real Dinosaurs

[frigid delta]

#paleontology message

[fluid inlet]

Pot is more accurate, isle can be accurate or Jurassic park inspired , but either way both great models.

[topaz shell]

The newer pot models are more accurate than old ones

[teal torrent]

How much do Dilophosaurus skulls cost?

[frigid delta]

interested in Dinosaurs even Yoda can

[topaz shell]

Depends if it’s real or not

[teal torrent]

How much are real skulls

[fluid inlet]

R how big is your pockets is the question lol

[teal torrent]

300-500 lol

[fluid inlet]

You won’t get a authentic Dilophosaurus skull only replicas

[teal torrent]

Gtg soon so last question why are spino teeth so cheap Ik they drop everywhere but still

[fluid inlet]

Because they are very common, anything that is very common won’t have a huge price tag on it.

[snow python]

How heavy were Utahraptor, Achilobator and Austroraptor?

[runic aspen]

Big lizord is cool. Strongest bite force on any land animal is also really cool.

[runic aspen]

I'm pretty sure Utahraptor is estimated at around 250-300 quilograms currently.

[sudden wind]

pliosaur domination

It's so funny how Kronosaurus and other large pliosaurs are just as long than some of the largest mosasaurs, yet are absolutely fricking massive next tot them.
People often think of Pliosaurs usually being smaller than Mosasaurs but that's because they think they are 18 meters, while being like 9-11 meters too.

[sudden wind]

New described muscle/ligament that goes from the jugal to the surangular.

[halcyon cobalt]

Large pliosaurs having skulls of similar size to giant ichthyosaurs while being half their body size

[robust crane]

why don’t stegosaurids don’t exist anymore in the late cretaceous, there are stegosaurids in the early cretaceous but after that they just disappear. are they replaced by ceratosians and ankylosaurs? is it because climate change?

[halcyon cobalt]

I’m pretty sure there are late Cretaceous stegosaur footprints or something

[fossil ingot]

Utah is like 350-450kgs atm.
Achillo is around 250-300kgs tmk
Austra should be slightly behind Achillo

[frigid delta]

weren't there a record that put Utah's to 500kg at max?

[fossil ingot]

I think I have gave a GDI
Give me a Sec

Tho you also have this

[frigid delta]

dear god he's naked

[ashen wedge]

I can’t tell if it’s mad at the eggs being gone or that it now is having a harder time trying to steal them (joke)

[idle storm]

Just want to take this moment to reiterate that IMO the results for Therizinosaurus from the claw stress distribution study have been overblown. The likelihood that this huge animal had insanely fragile claws to the point of uselessness is pretty low.

Yes, the claws seem to perform more poorly mechanically than the other sampled dinosaurs, but we don't have a great sense of how that would translate to their day-to-day life. The other important thing is that the paper didn't consider the keratin sheath. They make a justified assumption that it would not have a strong effect, but frankly we need to ground truth that with modern animals first, and given the recent discussion of how much keratin improves the performance of armor in armored dinosaurs, I think its role in claw performance may be underappreciated.

[lilac hornet]

ah that's kind of the vibe i got from it, that's basically how i feel about it, it just makes little sense the claws were useless under any sort of stress, even pulling down branches would exert some stress on them i feel

I was wondering if they were considering any keratin sheath or not but wasn't sure cause i can imagine the bone not being that strong on it's own but reinforced with the keratin sheath similar to extant animal's horns maybe, though perhaps not as strong

[remote lintel]

Oh look, the chat where everyone thinks they can implement human behaviours onto rocks.

Hi everyone!

[tough parcel]

I like these guys

[lilac hornet]

great argus are indeed very cool but i think this one is barking up the wrong tree, bit late there pal

[lament flume]

i keep seeing things about a spino nerf on tiktok, does anyone have a link to the official study? not talking about the game

[stiff osprey]

Spino nerf is a bad meme, people are just mad that a random piscivore can't 1v1 T.rex

[lilac hornet]

i wouldn't say spino is a random one, he's pretty famous but yeah it's silly

i never got the desire to pit creatures against each other that never met, were millions of years apart, and wouldn't have wanted to fight each other anyway, like yeah as a speculative thing it can be fun to imagine but people get weirdly heated about something that never would have happened and if they DID exist in the same place at the same time it'd probably just be this

[outer tusk]

viavenator

[outer tusk]

BRO FAXS ( 99% of all those edits are just epilepsy inducing slop )

[scenic flame]

call me stingy but I dislike all 3 assertions

[lilac hornet]

stingy

[outer tusk]

valid since spinosaurus should already be dead ( PLEASE REMOVE THSI DAMN SLOWMODE )

[lilac hornet]

yeah neither situation would have happened logically but for the sake of the "what if they were around at the same time" logic, yeah

[velvet burrow]

Based, i love that man

[manic grail]

For anyone searching for an accurate spino

[sterile trail]

Real

[stable sun]

it doesn't exist

[steady rock]

omg its noelle

[open compass]

Spino isn't a game character to get nerf or buffs💀

[lament flume]

ik but that's what people were calling it, i assumed there was some new research that made spino seem less formidable somehow

[jagged trellis]

just less 20 ton jp spino( while still cool, isn't exactly accurate now)
more actual animal vibing on riverbanks and not wanting to 1v1 everything
which its funny people take it as nerfing when its kinda just animal logic( hehe)

[open compass]

20t? It's 8t max
Yes?

[severe yew]

lmao 🤣

[jagged trellis]

did you read what i said

[severe yew]

the ultimate mutant dino fr

[jagged trellis]

i literally say it isn't accurate right after it

[open compass]

I just said jp spino was 8t max

[umbral kite]

who wins torvosaur or tarbosaur

[jagged trellis]

the jp spino build has estimates of 20 tons
you know, the most popular rendition of the skeleton at that point in time
jp spino itself
varies
alot
8, 11, 9, can't remember if 4 tons was pushed officially or not at some point

[fossil ingot]

Its +10t for CC but alr
JP3 does have 19t Estimates tho lol

[outer tusk]

Ew paleonerd01

[stable sun]

hi

[stiff osprey]

shortest jp spino incarnation
19 t estimate

[fossil ingot]

Its funny

[deft stump]

It's canonically 4 tons.

[deft stump]

Shows as 4 tons in jwe2 databank

[fossil ingot]

JWE 2 isn't even accurate
Its not even Canon

[fossil ingot]

Its stated 8 tons on behind the Scenes.
Lewis Lee(universal Worker) stated for Spino you can use the size dreamworks gave which is the same as the Universal size chart been +10 tons, realistically it would weight alot more
Iirc JWD Rexy Volume is like 15t lol

[stiff osprey]

That has to be a typo lmao

The Giga is larger in all dimensions and it doesn't weigh nearly as much

[lusty lion]

Jwe1 Rex when first release lol

[fossil ingot]

Its Inconsistant so don't use it.
JP3 Spino is 8t max overall.
Giga is 8.95-9.2t using the Information from the Universal Guide and said size was consistant

[zealous ravine]

@fluid inlet stellasaurus

[fossil ingot]

Ahh yes the 14m Rex(its now 14.5m on JWE 2 for some Reason)

[stiff osprey]

Yeah i imagine they meant to write 9t and wrote 19

[open compass]

Canonically? JWE isn't even JP

[open compass]

This is more accurate than book from jw

[stable sun]

Oh the old skull reconstruction.....

[brisk hound]

height 1 ft, weight 15 lbs? huh?

[fossil ingot]

It isn't even Canon

[open compass]

Uh how I didn't notice this, it's different image then

[brisk hound]

lol nah its super accurate

[halcyon cobalt]

ledumahadi ❤️

[low raven]

From what I know jp3 spino is stated at 8 tons, rexy in dominion is 8.4 tons. JWCC spino is said to be 10 tons and the giga 11 tons

[fossil ingot]

Giga been 11t is only from a Random ah Magazine that has no real Validation
We know the Size Giga has in the Style Guide from Universal and its 8.5-9t

[zealous ravine]

You do know the style guides are unofficial right?

[low raven]

It would make sense for the giga to he heavier though even if the spino is longer the giga was definitely bulkier

[lone wraith]

Spino used to be considered the heaviest land carnivore but with the discovery of heavier rexes like Goliath, Rex are now considered the heaviest dinosaurs and with its smaller estimates it considered to be the largest land carnivore ever discovered

[steady rock]

anyone got a accurate minmi depiction and skeletal?

[frigid delta]

are there even a media that depict Spino & Rex as friends?
kinda tired seeing them always fighting, why not have sm frenemies type relationship?

[balmy oyster]

45 feet long while being 15 pounds

Is this a bootlace worm?

[manic grail]

@frigid delta

[severe yew]

lmao 🤣

[bold fog]

I did this video in collab with the Paleontoligst who describe it, soon i hope to do one video with Scott Hartman if you have any request im all ears https://youtu.be/k8hewOjUjLA

[fossil ingot]

Why would be the Universal Guide be Unoficial???
Universal Literally made it

I am not talking about that Crappy Style Guide some fans made, I am talking about the one made by Universal.

[zealous ravine]

I wasn’t aware they made their own, mind linking it?

[fossil ingot]

Here is the thing.
This is JW, a Universe were Canonically Rex and Goga Lived Together.
A Universe where Giga looked how it does.
A Universe Where Rexy weights 8.4t where a 3D Model using our work gives her a Volume for 15t.
Idk why you are trying to get things to make sense

[native kindle]

guide books across almost any series ever have very incorrect information lol, but i seriously doubt this is a paleontology topic

[fossil ingot]

Can't Universal Property.
Said were Given by a Universal workers tho.
I can dm more stuff from him if you need

@native kindle I mean, we are better off taking Info from Universal who at the end owns tha Character then believing a Magazine statement.
Also the Fact 9t Giga is alot more consistant with its 3D Model by ILM than 11t Giga is

But yeah you are right this is Off Topic.
More on Topic

I NEED to know when the new Spinosaurinae will be described properly.
The 2 Finger theri already did

I NEED THIS DESCRIBED.
I need to see Spino with slightly Longer Legs again

[drifting condor]

Calling an animal weak nah

[lament pond]

How come sucho is more curved downward than spino skull
Along with the increased tooth gap

[brave nova]

Yk jw weights just don’t add up with the length and heights of the dinos there

[fossil ingot]

You think JW doesn't know this???
JP/JW isn't accurate.
Hell, JWD Rexy Model gives a Volume of 15t, does that mean she is actually 15t?
Easy, no.

They have always done this, idk why are ppl surprise

[brave nova]

I swear they’ve said rexy was what 9t aswell lol

[fossil ingot]

She is 8.4t, most Consistantly.
She has like 2? 9t Statements out there but some use a 20ft tall Rexy for that, otherwise she is always refered as 5.2m tall, even on Size Charts.
Even by Dominion she is refered as 8.4t
So Giga been 8.95-9t is consistant with it been larger than Rexy

[opaque kayak]

At least we have our boi sigil

[stable marlin]

And Spino got downsized

[stable marlin]

It's assumed rexes are great swimmers. I wouldn't be surprised if the rex attempted it.

[white matrix]

hey im rly curious and i feel like this is the channel that might be able to explain,

im wondering what makes a dino a "saurus" theres a number of dinos with saurus in the name

[rose gate]

Is the accurate in scale?
(Credits to Jurassic_world_fandom)

[halcyon cobalt]

whatever the people who describe the dinosaur want to name it

[frigid delta]

no Bronto?

[rose gate]

So far he didn't have it yet.

[balmy oyster]

Doesn’t look like it, Alamo seems way too big & either brachi is a bit too large or argent is a bit too small

[rose gate]

Here are his 1 by 1 scale to human.. I think he slightly shrank the Argent from above a bit.

[opaque kayak]

Wouldn't it be cool if argen ever appeared in jw franchise

[balmy oyster]

Individually these do look more properly scaled

[potent bobcat]

I’ve been told that Anodontosaurus weighs the same as Alioramus. Is this true?

[hallow spear]

No lol

[potent bobcat]

Ok, so someone lied to me

[scenic flame]

iirc Anodontosaurus weights about 2.2 tons, I doubt even a hypothetical adult Alio would be that much

[fossil ingot]

2.2t is Albertosaurus weight so yeah I doubt it

[frigid delta]

is Utah intelligent enough to slam their preys to paralyze/kill them?

[scenic flame]

I don't know if that how it work and I'm pretty sure it's not a matter of intelligence

[drifting arch]

I really loved this art piece because Ledumahadi mafube is a very interesting species of early Triassic to Jurassic Lessemsauridae found in South Africa. I really admire the idea of little critters seeking shelter underneathe one of these giants.

[frigid delta]

is Plateo the largest sauropodomorph/prosauropod? (whatever you want to call it)

[drifting arch]

I know Lishulong wangi is the largest sauropodomorph from the Early Jurassic period.

The skull of Lishulong was estimated in being 40 centimeters long, it was found in China so I'm not sure how complete the specimen is, what measurements they're using for accurate estimations and comparisons, but it is supposedly one of the largest.

[drifting arch]

Love this artistic interpretation, very beautiful!

[distant ore]

Torvosaurus (Edmarka) and Allosaurus anax

[outer tusk]

That anax is also scaled from A .fragilis

[tawdry lintel]

Anyone has a good accurate Becklespinax ?

[tough parcel]

Art or skeletal

[tawdry lintel]

Art pls good sir

[tough parcel]

Problem is it's like 3 vertebra so you'll mainly find it as a Conca rip-off