paleontology

[sullen cairn]

naashoibitosaurus kinda sucks to given its not actually from naashoibito and might just be an indeterminate saurolophine sensu that one svp abstract

[gray zealot]

i dont think it was accurate ever, every 1990 spinosaurus i saw was way less bulky and known to be a fisher

[tacit pine]

Meh still a good design, terrible oc aint it bud

[mortal fossil]

How old are you?

[small geyser]

The actual animal is so unique among most other dinosaurs.

[fossil ingot]

Funny how Bull/JP3 Rex was confirmed Adult both in the Script and Jr Novelization and yet ppl still call it a Sub Adult
Crazy

[tacit pine]

Why u replying a second time asking about age bro? 😭

[gray zealot]

imo jp3 spino is a garbo design because it looks like a baryonyx with a cookie on its back

[mortal fossil]

Because if you didn’t live before jp3 spino ruined media your opinion literally doesn’t matter because you have been brainwashed by jp3 glazing

[sullen cairn]

if i had a nickel for every time a taxon thought to be from naashoibito was named accordingly only to end up not being from naashoibito i'd have two nickels which isnt a lot but its weird that alamotyrannus is now denazinosaurus because that feels like making the same mistake all over again

[fossil ingot]

Also Lad was likely Older than Asset 87 itself due to the lad been created in 1999 along the rest of the Amalgam tests.
Then again thats off Topic

[tacit pine]

Ngl, gonna be harsh but your just glazing everything Vanessa says.

[small geyser]

Love this animal.

[fossil ingot]

Tbf
Kinda what Spino was during those times
A Massive Bary with a Sail

[tacit pine]

Damn bro thats crazy. Ig im brainwashed for liking a peak design loved by thousands because its actually a terrible oc.

[opaque kayak]

I also have to be honest that turned into a JP3 rant more then a spinosaurus rant at some point

[mortal fossil]

It doesn’t matter what was in the script and novelisation when it was retconned to be a subadult

It’s like how in the script of Jurassic park there is no giant chasm of death randomly appearing in the same hole the T-Rex walked out of, yet in the movie that’s how it happens

[tacit pine]

The script DOES matter tf? The animatronic they used was from the lost world buck rex.

[sullen cairn]

a valid complaint about spinosaurus in regard to maturity would be the documentation of fsacs maturity in literature because demic ruined everything

[manic grail]

Fr

[fossil ingot]

It was never Retconned to be a Sub Adult in a Proper Manor Tho??
By that Logic Spino is a Sub Adult too due to the Lad been just under 2 years Old and the Fact Indom with Accelerated growth was 3 years old and still considered Sub Adult..

The Script does matter, more then the Jr Novelization does, Bull never had a proper retcon to his Age, when we have direct Evidence his Size was Based on Buck.

Also Movies inconsistencies exist
You Talk like JP/JW is consistant😭

[manic grail]

Love or hate, spino is just him

[opaque kayak]

That,..doesn't make any sence. It's not wrong to like a design, and to call jp dinosaurs dinosaurs is a stretch as well, since rexy is not accurate either, so is blue. They are movie characters, and Spino as a movie monster didn't support genocide, and it was inaccurate like any other JP dinosaur. I don't see why it's bad to like that character

[mortal fossil]

Popularism is NEVER a valid argument, the comparison is entirely solid

It doesn’t matter if a big group of people like something or not in a discussion about the fact how it changed the world for the worse

[fossil ingot]

Since First and even third Movie is said what Ingen made weren't pure Dinos and just them playing god

Only Dinos you can argue are Pure in the Verse are the ones made by Byosin in Dominion
And Yes
JWD Giga, Pyro, Quetz and more Byosin Valley Dinos are 199% accurate to the Verse

[mortal fossil]

That is a proper 2000s Spinosaurus

It’s skinny
Doesn’t have allosaurus eyebrows
Has the accurate skull and crest

[tacit pine]

Yeah

[fossil ingot]

Ahh yes
Not like the Art was created 11 years after JP3 Launched😭

[sullen cairn]

trying to decide if this is more or less grating than spinofaarus convos

[open compass]

It's stylistic choice, we still don't know how spino's crest looked like

[opaque kayak]

It's probably closer to M shaped, at least the holotype

[fossil ingot]

Tbf Vanessa
No one really here agrees with you on this
Other than your Wife/Gf which like
You know, Couple things I giess

@mortal fossil you can't compare a 2012 Art with a Dino that started to be created around 1998-2000 for a Fictionak Movie

[mortal fossil]

Doesn’t matter, that’s how Spinosaurus looked like before 2014

[tacit pine]

Literally the brutal truth 😭

[manic grail]

Lmao

[open compass]

Compare it with the new "villain", spino is good (acting)
And don't be a fanboy because it killed a rex, lol

[opaque kayak]

I'll be honest it was a bit goofy to a see a person say a extinct dinosaur is not hated enough because of it appearing in a movie 3 decades ago that they didn't like

[gray zealot]

ok nah giga is way better

[manic grail]

Gotcha

[ancient crystal]

Oh we talking about the new JW spino

[sullen cairn]

i'd retracting everything i said earlier anasazisaurus is really funny

[open compass]

If it was good:

[gray zealot]

i am not invested in this argument but giga looks cool spino just hits nothin

[fossil ingot]

Ppl Liking More Stylized Designs is not Bad
Thats Literally just hating ppl for having a Different Opinion than you😭

You think your Opinion is the only correct one that matters

[opaque kayak]

Jesus, imagine being so invested in a clearly inaccurate movie which came out before you were born that you curse the fictional movie's IRL animal which died 90 Million years ago in another continent that it's not hated enough as a animal

[small geyser]

The spoono

[tacit pine]

Fr

[sullen cairn]

do people still call it spoon here

[fallow citrus]

me!!!

[opaque kayak]

You said that the IRL spinosaurus is not hated enough because of it's depiction of JP3, not just that character alone

[open compass]

Jumpscare 💥

[small geyser]

Just when I feel like being silly.

[gray zealot]

pretty sure jp3 wasn't going for a proto-hybrid til JW existed and it got retconned into that via Wu's site

[honest cobalt]

A reminder to be kind and respectful towards other users while interacting in this server. Conversations can be continued without antagonising each other #rules

[fluid inlet]

Yall gonna get us a 10 minute cool down bro 😭

[open compass]

Fun fact, spinosaurus from 2001 is way accurate than spinosaurus from 2025 ( in Jurassic Franchise)

[fossil ingot]

Ahh yes
Still remember ppl's faces when they saw that In Universe Accurate Giga is nothing like our Giga
Was funny

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[fluid inlet]

I blame tablespoon for everything

[fossil ingot]

That Render uses an Old Design
My Main issues with the Lad atm are its Head, Neck and maybe Arms
Otherwise its alr

[open compass]

If JWR spino was peak:

[low raven]

To make it worse for your point on hating it the bull Rex in jp3 was an adult just a small one and it was “accurate” for the time in appearance but completely inaccurate in representation

[tacit pine]

Tbf, JWR dinos r mutated n stuff. They were like tests i think for original jp or just devolved or evolved dinos

[sullen cairn]

tablespoon

[fossil ingot]

Someone made this JWR Spino Render based on what we know of it and ngl its Cool
Its just the Neck

[tacit pine]

Yeah agreed tbh,

[gray zealot]

ngl the whole 'but the rex in jp3 was an adult' makes it look even MORE like its being coddled to as this pampered OC 'superpredator'

[open compass]

Back then spinosaurus was huge and stronk 🥱
Don't be a rex fanboy, be a dino fanboy

[opaque kayak]

Funny how it was lighter at the time

[honest cobalt]

Please move on from this situation. Ty

[fossil ingot]

Its a Movie
By that Logic Giga is an OC
Tarbo is an OC
Everything is, its not meant to follow irl Logic
Spino beating Rex in a Fictional Universe is fine
Its fine lore wise for them either way

[tacit pine]

How bro? Idk about u fam but snapping an adult ingen rexs neck and killing it within less than 5 minites is impressive for any apex carnivore lol.

[opaque kayak]

Granted, rex at the time was sm like 6 tons, which is a nonsensical weight we can tell with volumetrics now

[gray zealot]

its not 'impressive' if its fictional, for one. anyone can write an outcome to a match
especially if its stupid

[sullen cairn]

you guys should talk about something actually cool

[fossil ingot]

6t Rex
A Rex barely heavier than Suchomimus
What world we lived in😭

Bare in Mind we do have like a 6t Rex iirc

[fluid inlet]

Driving and ina. Rush 🤣

[tacit pine]

Same can apply for giga the dino u like too btw

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/selfish-memonster-poundchest-chest-pound-gif-7636183

[gray zealot]

how? giga got treated like garbage. their idea for it, making it joker-like, was OC-esq and stupid, yes. but the execution? far from it
it barely got used as is

[opaque kayak]

What's insane is that dal sasso's 17 meter, colossal spinosaurus was half a ton lighter then the most accurate models now (Randomdinos, Dan folkes)

[sullen cairn]

fascinating but untrue

[open compass]

And btw, that rex was powerful
It died but that doesn't means it's a scavenger, it was 50/50 fight

[tacit pine]

Id give the edge to spino but then again, Any adult ingen Rex encounter will not be an easy fight.

[fossil ingot]

Ahhh yes
The Rex which was Gorgosaurus Size

[open compass]

You're right, TLW is the proof

[tacit pine]

Yeah, I think spino just stayed away from the rex couple or found different territory since it lived currently in cc

[gray zealot]

if you look closely in the background, you can see the chevron gas station; Buck's most recent victim.

[opaque kayak]

Check out Shastasaurus sikkanniensis. It's the largest carnivore of the mesozoic known from relatively decent remains, had no tooth, and had a massive fin with a arched back, while being triple the weight of mosasaurus. In addition, it lived during the triassic, while having unnaturally massive eye sockets. This is one of the all time strangest ichthyosaurs of all time.

[open compass]

Again, don't be a fanboy, dinos aren't UFC fighters for u

[gray zealot]

what the hell are you talking about, i made a joke about rex killing a gas station

[tacit pine]

Lmao

[manic grail]

Noooo gas stations didnt exist back when trex lived. Lets hate on jurassic park

[gray zealot]

gas stations were vicious predators in the late cretaceous

[mortal fossil]

You don’t get to call people fanboys when you are a Spino fanboy saying “it was big and strong” back then

Open an old paleontology book from 1990-2000 they call it a fisher

It was ONLY after jp3 people pretended it was anything else which it never was

Rex fanboy how?
For wanting Rex to stomp something it would stomp flat?

[gray zealot]

one species, gastationus shellus, was a renowned oceanic predator. it met its end shortly due to being hunted by struthiomimus

[ancient crystal]

Wait, why did I get timed out? I was just complimenting both designs

[mortal fossil]

Which scientific reconstruction gave Spinosaurus allosaurus eyebrows and Baryonyx skull again?

Which reconstruction made it not skinny?

[tacit pine]

So overall they had some simple head inaccuracy’s big deal

[mortal fossil]

“Simple”

Not a single thing was accurate about it what are you talking about

[gray zealot]

my issue with jp3 spino and media spino is how its coddled to
from what we knew of spino in 1990 it shouldn't be killing adult rexes, yet they did that. it matches rex in ark, it matches rex in the isle (not counting evrima) it even is made to match it in PoT (well it was, anyway)

jp3? they had a tiny rex fight it but insist its an adult to keep its reputation up. why? just retcon that terrible movie, its easy. but it keeps getting artificial help to make it stronger for som reason

[mortal fossil]

If you gave a Rex an Alioramus head with Carnotaurus horns that’s a “simple” inaccuracy by your logic

[opaque kayak]

I mean I'm not sure why we are really expecting accuracy in JP movies, when it has a godzilla szed mosasaur and a raptor 10x it's size

[tacit pine]

Idk if this is right but didnt jp3 predict spino could actually swim or dive

[gray zealot]

no it was theorized at the time already

[opaque kayak]

I mean it was basically sucho with a sail at the time

[tacit pine]

K but even then, why expect a jurassic park movie to come out with something 100% accurate. It aint there responsibility

[mortal fossil]

Because JP was self-pretentious and made dumb people think it was “accurate” for its time to the point that somehow people don’t understand that a roided up Rex with a cardboard sail, Baryonyx skull and Allosaurus eyebrows was an aCcUrAtE sPiNo fOr iTs tImE

[manic grail]

We got scaly big velociraptors opening doors ,and thats what u argue about accuracy?

[gray zealot]

but my point is
megalosaurus is a favorite dinosaur of mine
if for no reason it was made to be able to kill rex (granted it can in ark but its a balance choice not story lore) i'd be upset, because that's not what it is, and we know that
i dislike when things are propped up to be something they're not
especially with how much jp3 spino runs contrary to what we knew of it

[manic grail]

Then dont consume any kind of fiction. Easy

[tacit pine]

Made dumb people think? Its to be expected if something gets popular. If the avarage person wants to learn about dinosaurs then documentaries exist 😭

[gray zealot]

that is, without a doubt, the absolute dumbest counterpoint ever. of all time.

[mortal fossil]

Because people like you are pretending it is accurate then when cornered with facts go

“But it’s a movie bro it’s not accurate bro” while literally FIVE MINUTES AGO all of you said it was accurate for its time

PICK ONE.

Is it accurate for its time or a dumb ugly oc that is only pretending to be a Spinosaurus

[opaque kayak]

People don't really need to know about movies, and that Raptors weren't that big, that Rex was probably not that fast, that giga didn't hunt argen, and that mosa is not a whale sized animal. But that's alright, and people will always be confused about movies which talk about topics they aren't interested at. JP was never accurate, back then and now. It's alright to think, well, spino isn't this, but also to not feel like everyone needs to hate the character or even the real world animal.

[ancient crystal]

I believe the producers at one point came out and said that for the purposes of the movie that they just needed something big enough that the audience would believe the new antagonist was able to kill the rex.

It really isn't up to the writers how people interpret such inconsequential aspects of their movies. The rex was the big bad secondary antagonist of the previous two movies, at some point it would be a victim of the Worf effect to be honest.

[manic grail]

Sure buddy. Keep searching for accuracy in those movies. Maybe you'll find it one day

[tacit pine]

U can prove points wrong but expect counter arguments to the main argument you said way earlier

[opaque kayak]

I mean would it be better if a argen killed a rex and became the villian of the movie in JP3? Since it would bet accurate in IRL vs battles?

[restive crag]

The human experience of arguing with another human over a human-created idea of something humans found

[ancient crystal]

Unironically that would be really fun, but probably better to be kept limited to animated stuff like primal

[honest cobalt]

This is another warning to drop this situation and move on. Otherwise longer time outs will be handed out. Thank you!

[restive crag]

I mean yea that’s cool but check this out

[tribal trail]

If you have an issue with another user in this server please send a dm to @feral crane

[gray zealot]

Its not about accuracy. its about how jp3 made spino this superpredator that kills everything because plot, is more powerful than rex, blah blah blah, and when they had criticism and accuracy they just kept favoring it and pushing it further

there's a lot of issues with JP designs and I could go on about all of them. velociraptor? got tossed by rex at the end. giga? impaled. they know how to bring something to an end, but with spino? they keep burying its reputation mroe by making it more and more of a favorite child

[opaque kayak]

Check out Shonisaurus popularis, the largest decently complete (over 10 Percent) macropredator of the mesozoic

[ancient crystal]

I hope I don't get swept up in this again, but since they're here, did mods always have more I guess personalized accounts?

I thought they were all like named after different australian animals with the same pfp?

[manic grail]

Yea you're arguing about accuracy. The fact that spino is a super predator in the movie and kills rex is just the plot of a fictional movie and you're mad about that because its not accurate

[gray zealot]

i don't care about spino's design, i dislike it but that's subjective

but what did it killing a rex accomplish? what story purpose was there? giga vs rex was "you pushed 2 apex predators into 1 closed space" spino was
it just was?
and when called out for being a smaller rex they insist its an adult, then make it do it again in a cartoon, then make it an ecosystem-destroyer, like, what?

im arguing about accuracy according to you. which is incorrect. that's not what im talking about

what i am talking about is the need to shove it down everyones throat, ignore criticism and forsake story to make it fit a niche it never belonged to.

[tacit pine]

Bro exactly

[hallow spear]

Nope they are still all clones, the green role guy is a helper not a mod

[honest cobalt]

We help the mods. We are volunteers

[ancient crystal]

Ohhhh, that's cool

[fluid inlet]

Ichthyotitan victim Bud

[honest cobalt]

Would like to note that getting a time out doesn’t necessarily mean you did something bad. It’s to help moderators Deescalate a situation

[opaque kayak]

Talk it

[gray zealot]

shasta looks like its gonna steal your credit card info

[fluid inlet]

Don’t mute me, I’m just a kid!

[honest cobalt]

[tacit pine]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-world-spinosaurus-tyrannosaurus-t-rex-gif-13132687000543794337

[honest cobalt]

Have a Leeds

[ancient crystal]

Narratively, its to quickly show the audience how dangerous the movie/show/installment's new antagonist is; by quickly defeating a previously established strong character.

Its called the Worf effect, named after a Star Trek character who–at least appeared to be–written for that explicit purpose of proping up other characters.

[opaque kayak]

Yet me just put in our guy percetus and leeds in there for good measure

[tacit pine]

Good point tbh.

[gray zealot]

narratively, its a dinosaur chasing around a group of people, it serves no purpose and doesn't change the scene at all

why does velo open doors if its not accurate? it shows its smart, show don't tell
why does spino kill rex? because jack horner wanted a rex killer. Thats why. he said it many times.

[opaque kayak]

https://x.com/FabioAleRomero/status/1577501331891240961 wow did leed get downsized

Fabio Alejandro (@FabioAleRomero) on X

Proportioned like this and scaled Leedsichthys specimens (very speculative btw) it downsizes considerable early recons of these large individuals and just upsize some of the smaller ones, considering if allometry is constant between the adults and young ones.

X · Oct 5, 2022, 3:30 AM

[manic grail]

Yea thats how it is wheres the problem

[tacit pine]

Fr? They wanted something bigger to get the rex and scarier and they achieved it?

[gray zealot]

they could have just said 'yes it was a young smaller rex' and problem solved
instead, off-screen, they establish it as an adult rex, an ecosystem destroyer, and a prototype indominus
they COULD have kept the EXACT same writing instead they decide to try to make it basically a god animal. that's not narrative
thats stupid.

[fluid inlet]

Yall too worked up over a damn movie

[tacit pine]

Nobody said it was a prototype indom, or an ecosystem destroyer 😭. its fan stuff

[gray zealot]

they literally established that in wu's backdoor site but ok

also rumble you mistake 'worked up over a movie' for 'people can't understand reasoning so have to jump to their own conclusions on what you said'

[tacit pine]

Also by your point is indominus rex trash too for being made to be a rex killer and ecosystem destroyer? Its basically your “god” animal

[manic grail]

Oh so your argument is that your beloved adult rex got killed

[fluid inlet]

I just don’t think it’s significant enough to argue when we all know all the dinosaurs for the most part ain’t accurate.

[tacit pine]

U CANNOT be pressed about spino yet ignore indoms purpose lol

[gray zealot]

indominus isn't a real animal

in 1993, jurassic park was the big move from dinosaurs in media as 'big dumb lizard' to 'smart swift birdlike reptile' and thats why they open doors and why rex is so sneaky, it shows it

spino kills rex because 'b but my big favorite carnivore' of jack horner's

jurassic park over-exaggerates traits that are related to the animal

jp3 spino does not at all relate or respect spino

[manic grail]

Yea jp3 spino isnt a real animal either

[tacit pine]

The spino in jp3 aint that real either zawg, its an illegally cloned specimen thats not pure 💀

[opaque kayak]

We really should make a offtopic channel, since many people wanna discuss JP, but we don't quite have a channel for that here

[tacit pine]

The entire swimming scene and it being semi aquatic:

[gray zealot]

you really do not get the point at all. genuinely how do you stray so far from it.

[honest cobalt]

You can talk about dinosaurs in movies and media. As long as it’s just the dinosaurs

[fluid inlet]

L dinosaurs , asteroid victims

[gray zealot]

giga is tall and long, so they made it taller and longer than it should be to show it
velociraptor is smart, so they made it open doors to show it
raptors are feathered, so they coated pyroraptor in it to show it

they took traits of dinosaurs and exaggerated it to make it more well known in the public
then they do things like venom dilo, arctic swimming pyroraptor, and superpredator ecosystem killer spinosaurus
and i hate all of that the same

[opaque kayak]

L perucetus, 340 -> 180 -> 120 -> 90 -> 60-> 40 tons in a year goated downsize 🔥

[tacit pine]

So spino has no traits that respect it despite it being semi aquatic and can swim. Giga is tall and long but it counts? Wtf is this

[gray zealot]

i didn't say no traits, but in what universe is killing megatheropods a spinosaurus trait

that was the biggest strawman ever

[thorn grove]

almost an order of magnitude

[fluid inlet]

Spinosaurus was like 15 tons at the time wasn’t it , def would of made it the apex predator

[opaque kayak]

It never was. Dal sasso's spino was 7 tons (but it was 17 meters) so,...

[tacit pine]

In what universe is giga suited for taking down rexs??? The bias for giga is crazy

[manic grail]

So you're just generally hating on JP/JW. Why even argue about that then

[gray zealot]

giga is in of itself a giant powerful carnivore that lived on land and has adaptations for large prey, it also never took down a rex so your point is moot.

spino meanwhile, we knew was semiaquatic and used that to avoid carcharodontosaurus (granted we later learned they likely did not see each other often) and yet it was made a superpredator that kills ecosystems and rexes. do you see the issue here?

[tacit pine]

Did u even watch the movie? IT KILLED REX IN THE PROLOGUE

[fluid inlet]

Slow moving 6mph T. rex is not curving the more agile Giga Chad

[gray zealot]

prologue wasn't in the movie, they removed it

[opaque kayak]

So ig we can agree JP is not meant to be accurate maybe? That's one way to look at it

[manic grail]

Thats what im trying to tell but she doesnt get it

[tacit pine]

And by large prey you mean sauropods? Just because u can take down sauropods does NOT mean your suited to take on megatherapodsa. And what the hell do you mean removed it? The prologue IS canon and was simply meant for the extended virsion along with the oviraptor scene. Quit the bias against spino because gigas case is the same if not worse

[gray zealot]

my point is, JP isn't accurate, but they tend to respect the creature with the inaccuracies

velociraptor wouldn't open doors, that's wrong. but, it was smart, and they show its smart by letting it open doors
giganotosaurus wasn't 15m long, but it was longer than rex, so they made it larger to show that

what they don't get is inaccuracy for portrayal vs inaccuracy for favoritism

[fluid inlet]

Yes, T. rex is way too fast in the franchise. No way it should of stood any chance against indom Rex

[tacit pine]

And no i dont see any issue. It was a fun island survival movie and they wanted something bigger and stronger than rex for a new star and gave spinosaurus while also making it semi aquatic that gives it respect

[thorn grove]

I do kind of dislike that JP originally did a lot of good for updating public perception on Dinosaurs but has since been stuck in a perpetual quagmire of still relying on 90s Dino science other than a couple throwaway lines about "they're engineered to be inaccurate."

That said my solution is to simply not watch the new movies because I don't care.

[opaque kayak]

Granted T-rex vs indom irl is a instant rex win since the other can't exist

[fluid inlet]

Unfortunately irl Rex would have already died to Willard before any hypothetical match could take place.

[tacit pine]

Your just giving giga a free pass lmao. Oh wow its bigger so gg ez it gets a pass. Spinos semi aquatic but nah it sucks and it aint respecting spino. (They both were meant to be the new stars and killing rexs)

[manic grail]

Favoritism or not who cares. Its fiction

[tacit pine]

Where in jw does giga hunt sauropods or any of the things it does irl? Nothing lmao. It literally shows up and kills rexy and oh wow big bad new star. But ur saying its wrong if spino does it? Nah its clear u just like giga more.

[gray zealot]

giga didn't kill a rex. prologue was removed. as is your reasoning skills.

if you want something to be a new carnivore to chase humans and use Spino, sure, ok, but making it kill rex and all of isla sorna? that's "its my favorite dinosaur so it must kill everything and beat everything!"

also, 7, if i want to hate on something for having clear favoritism, why can't i? what's wrong with it?

[fluid inlet]

No way yalll still going since I went to Krogers and came back 🤣

[gray zealot]

i am being as patient as possible but my god they do not seem to get it

[manic grail]

Bro you're not only hating on spino but you're hating on us. You called us all brainwashed spino fanboys and simps

[tribal trail]

please be polite and respectful when interacting in this server #rules

[gray zealot]

whermst?

[tacit pine]

Giga KILLED a rex. Accept it.

[gray zealot]

did you just post an AI overview and call it good?

also, if i don't see the prologue as canon, then clearly i don't like giga killing rex as well.

[manic grail]

Sorry my bad it was the other person. I mixed u guys up.

[tacit pine]

R u ignoring the other source? 😭. Also do u have a source denying its canon?

[fluid inlet]

After I make my food I’m going to war with both sides , Giga and spino overrated

[thorn grove]

If I can intervene in my infinite and divine wisdom: having spino outright kill rex was a pretty strange choice even for the time but especially by the third movie there was clearly very little commitment to realism in general. Spino was the big bad new villain on the block because franchises always have to escalate as time goes on, just look at the power creep in almost any anime as an example.

[tacit pine]

Also if prologue was cut then why in 7 hells would they add it to the blue ray release after the theoretical virsion?

[opaque kayak]

And then they decided to go the extra step many years later and hit use with the nuclear bomb of a indominus rex

[tulip dove]

Also should be glad that it was a Spino that killed the Rex
The big bad dino was supposed to be Baryonyx at first

[wind prairie]

ahhh chat... what's the argument today?? related to spino again huh?

[opaque kayak]

I do wonder why spino was portrayed as the big bad at the time, since Spino was clearly smaller then rex on the holotype. I assume it's because MSNM was still known but not published at the time, which made it 8 tons

[high spruce]

Jp spino

[gray zealot]

see this is a reason i would accept

however, they established it as an ecosystem destroyer and superpredator off-screen via wu's website

it has created a terrible sentiment that has followed Spino around forever; just look at the take of "Big 3" being a thing, The Isle; Evrima, and the awful use of Spino in CC Season 4-5

its a disaster, that for some reason they love to cater to

to the point IRL Spino, a genuinely interesting animal, is lost upon people as a mistake or 'ruined spino'

[tacit pine]

The isle evirma spino is sick and many people like it lol. It is far from any of the most hated isle evirma dinosaurs. Cc spino was ok

[opaque kayak]

I mean the Big 3 Thing makes sence, given Rex, Giga and Spino are the top 3 biggest theropods

[wind prairie]

I mean I don't mind the concept of "the big 3", that doesn't require monster spino

[manic grail]

the spino in jp3 was like as big or bigger than rex so wheres the problem. Its not the skinny accurate spino we're talking about

[thorn grove]

I agree that after the first movie JP/W as a franchise has largely been harmful towards public perception of Dinosaurs, my point isn't that using Spino as the new big bad was good, just that it was the logical next step in the franchise to have a new big bad Dino

[wind prairie]

well idk I don't think spino is actually very big at all anymore, but still, metaphorically speaking

[ancient crystal]

If I had to guess they needed something in rexes physical size range but feared giga may have looked too similar to rex for the average movie goer

[tacit pine]

Can u send me a link to this website? From what im getting its not even canon

[tribal trail]

A reminder to please keep the channel focused around paleontology as per the pinned messages. You may reference certain portrayals in media but discussing certain movies, series, or games in-depth is considered off topic

[opaque kayak]

Giga was also very new at the time, and Spino was 100 years old, so it probably had better name to it

[gray zealot]

you understand, i like that

[fluid inlet]

Carcharodontosaurus is the true definition of perfect apex theropod, it wasn’t a one dimensional strong jaw slow moving theropod like Tyrannosaurus rex. It wasn’t some some confused sail having short legged fish eating weak biting theropod like spinosaurus and it wasn’t some wannabe apex predator with no other megatheropods to challenge it like giganotosaurus. You will all bow your heads to carcharodontosaurus.

[opaque kayak]

Eh it probably was very, very big, around the similiar size as the G holotype, assuming Dan folkes's skeletal is correct

[wind prairie]

carcha is awesome but I won't simp for it, nor take the slander of THE TRIOOOO GRAHHH
we need a better name than the big 3 imo

[opaque kayak]

3 big?

[gray zealot]

carcha-giga-rex is the superior big 3

[velvet burrow]

Tyrannosaurus not being the top 1 is crazy

[opaque kayak]

I love how carch based on giga would literally be a slightly smaller giga with a different upper skull

[fluid inlet]

It would be on my list if I had one

[opaque kayak]

Wild quote when it was one of the most important theropods since 1915

[velvet burrow]

What are the earliest known silesaurids? And non silesaurid ornithischians?

[wind prairie]

rex-giga-spino is too iconic, especially for the variety. Each one of them is very distinct from one another compared to carch and giga

btw, the current thought is that spinosaurus's tail thing was used as a display, not for swimming, right?

[thorn grove]

Olympian kings after Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon would be cool imo

[opaque kayak]

It probably helped swimming as well. Also, even Dan folkes has the big three on his site https://www.thecodontia.com/blog/the-largest-theropod-dinosaur-known-to-science

[wind prairie]

nah I mean a term to collectively refer to all 3 of them at once

[fluid inlet]

Actually carcharodontosaurus is better than all these wimps.

[tacit pine]

Nothing really specifically states spino was an “ecosystem destroyer”

[sullen cairn]

may i suggest the three musketeers

[gray zealot]

again, go to Yt you'll see it since it has actual screenshots from the time

[tacit pine]

This was from the website my guy. Again your sounding like your making stuff up lmao

[thorn grove]

nah I mean "Olympian Kings" cuz Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades are kings of their respective domains

[fluid inlet]

Carcharodontosaurus aka the goat

[wind prairie]

also sorry but wait a minute, she was hating on spino too???
sheesh majunga, alberto, AND spino are on the list lol

[ancient crystal]

Tbf I do remember the whole thing about spino being a secret genetic hybrid similar to indom or something but not much else.

But seriously, the Jurassic franchise's goal is not public education or accurate representation of long dead animals. People go to these movies for some reason either expecting accuracy or believing the animals to be accurate, but that isn't the problem of the writers nor producers.

I'm not a fan of the 2001 movie, but its because of the writing and overall departure from the previous movies, not because people can't keep their Jurassic Parks separated from their Walking With Dinosaurs in their heads.

[tacit pine]

Ig yea

[gray zealot]

its why i hate jurassic park's spino
while not accurate they try to stay true sometimes. then there's 'muh rex slayer'

[thorn grove]

tbf before the first JP most Dino movies looked like this:

[manic grail]

Yea "sometimes" doesnt mean "always"

[ancient crystal]

I mean, sure, but in the context of the movie the rex is just a plot device to establish the danger posed by the spino.

I genuinely don't believe there is anything more to it than that.

[tacit pine]

Yea

[fluid inlet]

That’s just Therizinosaurus

[manic grail]

Wow trex had lips even back then

[gray zealot]

actually it was shown in an interview that Jack Horner, the consultant, yes you can still find this, believed Spinosaurus was, in his words, 'the biggest meat eating dinosaur ever' and was convinced Rex was a scavenger who, quote, 'did not deserve' the spotlight

[wind prairie]

sorry but if you fail to realize this is like the coolest looking animal ever... or at least one of them. Yeah

[tacit pine]

That seems like his opinion.

[gray zealot]

and yet both are him stating 'facts' that were false?

[ancient crystal]

Which was a nice side effect of the film and something mentioned quite a few times in the book–them not being dumb tail draggers.

But as time goes on, the science changes but the brand has to stay more or less the same. They had a chance for a realism reboot with JW but choose to stay more or less consistent with previous movies and even included Wu's whole "You wanted more teeth" rant to justify it.

Me personally, I don't view the movies as anything near accurate nor that they're trying to be. Its why things like spino, and giga (outside of the uninspired design but whatever) don't bother me. They're just fun monster movies with dinosaurs as the baseline that occasionally have a deeper message attached.

[opaque kayak]

The "big three" (all three skeletals are by dan folkes)

[wind prairie]

ok lets not make fun but like
dragon + heron + salamander

[manic grail]

Spino the kind of guy who is handsome, rich and smart

[tacit pine]

Part of the big 3 💪

[fluid inlet]

Come out the water bro - carcharodontosaurus 👑

[low raven]

Prologue is canon and just like the ecosystem destroyer thing which is obviously dumb but it is what it is Jp/Jw is Sci-fi both the giga and spino are inaccurate in their own way, no need to blame a sci-fi franchise for the average person not knowing what’s scientifically correct, if someone is actually interested in dinosaurs they’ll do they’re research or watch a documentary and not go off a movie that’s meant for entertainment. Anyone that did research knew spino couldn’t kill a trex especially after taking a bite to the neck it would’ve died instantly but it’s a fake movie and they took their creative liberties and did what they wanted. Also the proto hybrid thing is wrong the 1st proto hybrid was a plant and then Scorpius. They simply did testing on the Spino as well as some of the other illegal species being created at the time which is the explanation of why it hated humans and chased them all over the island

[wind prairie]

spinosaurus is beyond gigachad because he knows his place and lives in peace with the other resident apex predator

[manic grail]

Come in the water bro -
Spinosaurus

[fluid inlet]

Bro

[wind prairie]

spinosaurus ate giant fish and children only and it was content with that :))

[ancient crystal]

The real problem is purposefully innacurate documentaries which are frustratingly common.

Not the silly sci-fi flicks that got most of us interested in dinosaurs in the first place.

[low raven]

Design wise like I said yes only that crest was the really only inaccuracy at the time along with it being bulkier than it would’ve been but the interpretation was completely wrong of course a spino couldn’t kill a rex and like I’ve said to someone else it’s sci-fi it’s not a documentary it’s a movie and they took their creative liberties blame people that don’t do their research for actually thinking a spino could ever kill a Rex not the films

[opaque kayak]

Yay big water dragon

[gray zealot]

amalgam project. spino was supposed to be a hybrid attempt but luckily someone realized that was stupid and made it no longer canon it seems
but giga to spino is apples to oranges here

giga in jurassic world is a theropod that contends with rex in size and power. that makes sense. they didn't meet ever irl, but they were of similar size and each had powerful sets of jaws

spino was a skinny fish eater made into the powerhouse of jurassic park because some old dude dating a 17 year old had a hatred of rex and wanted his favorite dinosaur to kill it and be the best at everything

there's a difference.

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-stare-gif-27408963

[fluid inlet]

Inaccurate

[gray zealot]

see i dont mind irl spino
i don't mind water dragon
real shame oversized bary with a hard taco shell on its back takes its spot in media now

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/scorn-attack-transformers-scorn-dinobots-ksi-bots-gif-7377202238150814516

[velvet burrow]

Personally i choose to dismiss anything claimed to be "canon" that's not directly portrayed in the movies because the next guy can just come in and wreck anything they want with their movie

[fluid inlet]

I really love this one btw

[ancient crystal]

I just wish the sail was bigger and it would be a perfect design.

For all their exaggerating they looked at the most inherently extravagant large theropod and downsized the sail like wtf

[wind prairie]

prehistoric kingdom spino? you know it's actually in the game now

[low raven]

The website is canon and the ecosystem destroyer thing too but not the protohybrid thing

[manic grail]

Yall think the walking posture of spino in prehistoric kingdom is accurate?

[wind prairie]

it's bipedal except I think it stands on its palms when it bends down to drink. Doesn't seem too bad

[gray zealot]

thats how spino mafia works

[low raven]

The universe of jp/jw is completely different to real life. In the prologue of which is canon the acro looking giga lived with trex and killed it, the spino also killed it both very inaccurate things but its fiction

[gray zealot]

jwr spinosaurus;
amalgam project;

[wind prairie]

every animal deserves a fanbase 🔥

[opaque kayak]

I think most people, not just "spino fans" are going to not be happy if you call a long extinct animal as "being made famous only because of a pedophile" and "not hated enough"

[gray zealot]

mosquitoes:

[manic grail]

What about how its head is like not very upright and that the tails touches the ground

[gray zealot]

was one punch man an accurate representation of unknown ancient mosquito species

[tribal sandal]

Hello there

This will be the first and final warning,

Please be polite and respectful towards each other and do not provoke or antagonize other users. Refer to our #rules

[opaque kayak]

What's even more ironic is that the reason why should be hated is because of a movie made 90 million years after the last of it's kind died out by some hairless monkeys which some other furless monkeys didn't like, and therefore, that animal is horrible

[tacit pine]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaur-escape-hello-hello-chat-jurassic-park-gif-12518417506481609176

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/igoralves_07/status/1888619063850446931?s=46 this goes hard

Sauroarchive (@igoralves_07) on X

A pair of Giganotosaurus I made for a commission

The color patterns were inspired by The Isle skins, as requested by the client.
#paleoart #giganotosaurus #dinosaurs

X · Feb 9, 2025, 4:00 PM

[gray zealot]

who deleted the message about mosquitoes sucking blood and laying eggs, i was waiting an ENTIRE MINUTE to say "they're just like me" and you RUINED IT

[wind prairie]

yeah I was about to say wth I actually think mosquitoes are cool

[tribal sandal]

It's possible this was an accident, feel free to repost

[low raven]

Pretty sure jwr is a reject like the other dinos in rebirth so its deformed or something especially with the dumb jw lore that Biosyn workers snuck onto Wu’s crew so they had part in making the spino idk if that makes it more accurate in lore than the rebirth ones or not but it’s fiction the real life spino is cooler than the jp one anyways but people are allowed to like the one in the film and shouldn’t be harassed for that

[round hedge]

A fossil is the history teacher

[wind prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-planet-dinosaur-dinosaurs-velociraptor-protoceratops-gif-13688608364010990112

[fluid inlet]

Looks like Giga might be back too https://x.com/gojijpguy/status/1887221502065713268?s=46

Charlie (@GojiJPguy) on X

Funko Pop listings for Jurassic World Rebirth from Instagram.
WHY IS THE GIGANOTOSAURUS THERE

X · Feb 5, 2025, 7:27 PM

[gray zealot]

10 inch spinosaurus

man what a downsize

[tribal sandal]

It would be best to drop the previous conversation and to keep this chat to paleo topics only

[wind prairie]

you babblers look at what you've done... the 2 minute cooldown is back...
anyways. Velociraptor deserves its popularity even if it took it from deinonychus

[round hedge]

Understood boss

But If we go back to paleontology subjects, will You please cut down the slowmode?

(Just curious)

[fluid inlet]

I tried to tell them all, now the mods are awake and it’s open season.

[manic grail]

Nooo we really brought the 2 min cooldown back. Im sorry guys
@mortal fossil bro our messages got deleted too what are you talking about

[gray zealot]

i can't believe megalosaurus bucklandii would do this

[tribal sandal]

I understand your concerns,

However it was not just one persons who's messages were deleted but multiple this was not targeted by any means, should you wish to discuss further feel free to open a @feral crane as this would not be the ideal place for it

[fallow citrus]

have parasaurolophus skin impressions ever been discovered? 👁️

[tacit pine]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-world-rebirth-t-rex-gif-3635989651783111415

[thorn grove]

https://openi.nlm.nih.gov/detailedresult?img=PMC3807589_peerj-01-182-g021&req=4

[low raven]

Okay well I’m not calling you anything and all I’ve said is the design at the time was mostly accurate nothing else was

[wind prairie]

anyways VELOCIRAPTOR IS AWESOME and could've TOTALLY BEAT PROTOCERATOPS IN A 1v1 GRAAAHHHH (at least sometimes)

[fallow citrus]

WOOHOO thank you

[fluid inlet]

All I see in this artwork is protoceratops owning this veloci , ez.

[mortal fossil]

Why is that Orso from Ice Age 5 what did they do to Protoceratops

[opaque kayak]

You feel me gang?

[wind prairie]

THE VELOCIRAPTOR pushes through its injuries and continues the fight 🔥

[tacit pine]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-gif-25713602

[gray zealot]

"Look Ma, no hands!"

[opaque kayak]

Oh my god I just realised he made Carchar into a nomen dubium here

[fluid inlet]

Indet victim

[opaque kayak]

Rumblerj try not glazing impossibly fragmentary animals all the time (impossible) (kelmeyasaurus) (chinese carch) (tucson Spinosaur)

[fluid inlet]

• Bahariasaurus fan boy

[gray zealot]

i read that as 'bahariasaurus fat boy' and i was like

its really not though

[opaque kayak]

(I'm a hater)

[fluid inlet]

Also what the hell is kelmeysaurus or the rest you named innever mentioned any of them 😭🤣

[opaque kayak]

22 meter supposed giant theropod, kelmayisaurus gigantus, the ture giant supassing gomez (real)

[opaque kayak]

Like the humans building the tower of babylon, these ichthyosaurs challenged the nature's limit of the biggest size, and was struck down in the Triassic mass extinction

[languid pine]

Weird birds was so good

[warped peak]

Anyone got the current Anax or Saurophaganax skeletal?

[round hedge]

Is the slowmode cut down ?

[gray zealot]

no

[round hedge]

Damn it

Classic argument unrellated to paleontology in none other than the paleontology channel

Why does the Best channel in this server (imo). Have to have a slower slowmode than general ?

Oh, a mod is typing

Are we cooked ?

[unborn bane]

I have lowered the slow mode, please keep the channel on topic.
This channel is for the discussion of past and present paleontological discoveries, scientific news, and depictions of prehistoric creatures in media in relation to palaeontology. For example, you may discuss how a dinosaur is featured in a certain movie in regards to its accuracy, behaviours, vocalizations, etc. but you may not discuss the movie’s actors, plots, or anything not directly related to the dinosaur. The movie itself should be of very little focus in the discussion.

[gray zealot]

slow mode gon carry on, time to talk about carcharodontosaurus

[round hedge]

Understood boss

[opaque kayak]

Yes fefe

[opaque kayak]

Not a carch, but found this very cool, since it is also a charcarodontosaurid. Literal god killers of south america

[fluid inlet]

The real apex of megatheropod families , carcharodontosaurids.

[round hedge]

Is that upper estimate pushing 5 m height ?

Nvm, nearly 6m

HOLY

14.6 m long estimate

[opaque kayak]

Yo gang how we doin

Version with skeletal

[pastel yarrow]

What was the smallest therapod?

[round hedge]

Compy or epidexipteryx

[white matrix]

troodonit i think

[gray zealot]

hummingbird

[pastel yarrow]

Smallest extinct therapod

[fluid inlet]

You

[pastel yarrow]

:/

[gray zealot]

micro-er raptor

[cloud dagger]

Caihong is pretty small but i don’t know is it the smallest extinct. Confusiornis and such are small too

[pastel lodge]

What was the carnivore that was then deemed a sauropod, I completely forgot which one it was

[stable sun]

It's basically identical to Gorgo

[dim rune]

Saurophaganax? Aka best Dino name ever how could they do such an injustice to give it allosaurus ANAX as a name, I’m not sad

[stable sun]

This is the reconstruction from after 2005, JPIII is from 2001
Here's a more ancient reconstruction:
http://the_dinosauria.tripod.com/spinosaurus.html

[stable sun]

asilisaurus type of stuff and random taxa from early Jurassic for non silesaur

[pastel lodge]

YES THATS it

[halcyon cobalt]

should’ve just done allosaurus maximus smh

[dim rune]

Yess

[pastel yarrow]

Allosaurus anax*

[halcyon cobalt]

read my comment and the comment I was replying to

[dim rune]

https://tenor.com/view/joking-staring-what-seriously-laughing-gif-4832609063133591660

[stable sun]

Literally what's the issue with Allosaurus anax

[dim rune]

Lame name for cool Dino, Im a nerd what can I say

[stable sun]

But that'd be impossible. Allosaurus maximus is a preexisting name that existed before the Allosaurus anax description paper, it can't be named that.

[stable sun]

Why?

[dim rune]

Because Lord of the Lizard Eaters is a whole lot cooler than, that other name, opinions opinions

[stable sun]

That doesn't make it lame. Would you in that case prefer "Allosaurus saurophaganax" or what?

[dim rune]

I’d prefer it keeping it’s original name

[stable sun]

But that'd be impossible.

[dim rune]

It’d be possible if the people that made the rules weren’t lame that’s all Im sayin

[stable sun]

It'd cause confusion

[dim rune]

Im pretty sure people were and still are confused with the current system

[stable sun]

What?

If there were two dinosaurs named Saurophagnax, that'd absolutely cause confusion. I don't get your point.

[dim rune]

I my point is name the sauropod something else and keep the cool name for Dino Im biased about lol

[stable sun]

But you can't rename a dinosaur. That'd cause even more confusion. There would be now two dinosaurs named Saurophaganax because the name Saurophaganax would still he present in older publications.

[blissful bison]

Friends I have a question to ask you

[opaque kayak]

Also, it is against the scientific field to just ignore the rule and just keep the name of a chimera. I mean, you need to keep in mind that these are scientists in a actual field that get payed for it, that's like asking a judge to forget the law since the guy being judged is your favorite

[dim rune]

I don’t see anything wrong with this

[stable sun]

Because that'd cause chaos, anarchy and confusion

Your idea is to have two dinosaurs with the exact same name

[opaque kayak]

Your honor, yes, my client did commit murder, but this my GOAT, he gets 2 days in prison. Fr you feel me judge? You know he is your favorite

[blissful bison]

Do you think his two australovenators are accurate?

[dim rune]

Solid defense

[stable sun]

no

[opaque kayak]

BTW torvo, is the FSAC KK 11888 spinosauridae indet or Spinosaurus cf aegyptiacus?

Yes, I know, extremely new question

[dim rune]

What I don’t understand is that, they renamed a dinosaur already, the allosaur was technically also saurophaganax, along with the sauropod, did they just choose randomly which one got the name?

Im not saying there should be 2 dinosaurs with the same name, I just wish my boi got the silly cool nerd name

[pastel yarrow]

Dearc

[halcyon cobalt]

I’m pretty sure that the diagnostic features of “saurophaganax” were the sauropod parts, so the sauropod gets the name. Something like that

also the sauropod still has the “silly cool nerd name” so I don’t see your issue

[stable sun]

Spinosaurus sp.

[stable sun]

Because the holotype of Saurophaganax (the bone it is based on) is only the single neural arch, which is sauropod. So the sauropod got the name.

[opaque kayak]

I suppose all ths varies by person by person. I have seen people claim that the huge rostrums were S.aegypt proper, or just S.Sp as well, and even the neotype as Spinosauridae indet

[frigid delta]

let's chill out for now
anyway

[fluid inlet]

Try your luck

[frigid delta]

Rex will leave them alone
why take on a three Triceratops at once and wound yourself when you got a defenseless Edmontosaurus to preyed on?

[fluid inlet]

There was 2 Rexes 🙂‍↔️

You’ll like this gif tho

[low raven]

Even if there was 3 a trike is more dangerous so better to avoid unless the rex outnumbers, 1 on 1 or an ambush

[fluid inlet]

I really hope prehistoric planet comes back

[opaque kayak]

It is I heard

[frigid delta]

good
Edmonto deserve that for being defenseless

[tough parcel]

From who 😭

[steady rock]

Delusion 🥰

[broken shale]

What is that 💀
it’s an actual nightmare
Ramphs uncle

[pastel yarrow]

Dearc

Relative to rhamph that lived in ireland
Cooler rhamph
I love him so much
Goober imbodiment

[wraith kindle]

The biggest one is like, albatross of a pterosaur.

[wraith kindle]

Dunno what you mean by showing that again, and I just mean like the wing length comparatively. I don’t know if it could actually soar like an albatross.

[pastel yarrow]

Its a big guy tho
For what it is

[fast spoke]

I have been wondering, was the asteroid impact 66 million years ago the only reason of the Cretaceous extinction event?

[steady rock]

no, they hosted the purge right after too 😔

[fast spoke]

XD, but seriously

[wraith kindle]

I’m gonna link this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjoQdz0nxf4

[fast spoke]

I watched this already

[cloud dagger]

Deccan traps are probably one reason too

[wraith kindle]

The asteroid was probably the final nail in the coffin for the dinosaurs, if anything.

[fast spoke]

Agreed

[tough parcel]

It was the major/predominant reason they died out. From what I recall, the asteroid hit a massive sulfur deposit in the Yucatan Peninsula area which magnified the consequences ten-fold

Other factors likely played in but dinosaurs weren't declining or in poor health before the impact

I think the craziest thing is if the asteroid had struck seconds earlier or later, dinosaurs probably wouldn't have gone extinct as it would've landed in the ocean

[fast spoke]

that is kinda funny for some reason

they didn't built any churches

[proud prawn]

That would be really funny but I enjoy watching the meltdowns

[primal ice]

Wait a minute i watch your vids before big fan

[wraith kindle]

First I'd heard about the massive sulfur deposit.

Even if it had landed in the ocean, an asteroid that size is going to wreak havoc regardless.

[tough parcel]

Well yea, but the impact would've not been so severe

[stable sun]

I just found out about this, is this actually real?

[tough parcel]

ATP assume no

[stable sun]

Why?

[tough parcel]

Imperospinus
Japanosuchus

And a quick search says it's fake

[stable sun]

Okay both of these were memes

[warped peak]

As is this

[tough parcel]

I don't care this is too

These 3 are unironically showing why we need to start forcing people to use Google first

[wraith kindle]

Some of those names up top sound fake.....

[stiff osprey]

Nah it's real I've coauthored a paper with Pape Eye Russ

[wraith kindle]

Like, that Skyletal one.

[stable sun]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alienum you mean this?

[arctic hemlock]

is it true that some ceratosaurus specimens were the size of allosaurus

[stiff osprey]

yes but that's because we have fully grown allosaurus that are randomly under 5 meters, not because there were giant ceratosaurus

[wraith kindle]

No, the people listed up top.

[stable sun]

Which ones?

[wraith kindle]

Wing D Gaster, Pape Russ, Ans T Skyletal.

[tough parcel]

Evidence that Random is a published professional? Perhaps we should take everything he says at face value with no question...

[stable sun]

no those are real names why would they be fake

[restive crag]

He doesn’t make my favorite theropod bigger then T. rex so he isn’t reliable

[wraith kindle]

They sound wierdly meme.

[stable sun]

Why?

[warped peak]

Can we stop choosing to intentionally spread misinformation here, it ruins the entire channel.

[wraith kindle]

@stable sun Forget about it.

Anyways, one being the size of a blue whale sounds bs to me, like, where are the intermediate specimens?

[stable sun]

Well Skeemella is 1.5 m

[wraith kindle]

That's a far cry from 27m.

[warped peak]

Like there should definitely be a rule against this. It's objectively bad for the channel and not something that should repeatedly be happening

[stable sun]

Where are the giant leedsichthys relatives

[wraith kindle]

People should still be able to ask 'is this legit?'

@stable sun Bruh, we're talking about Cambrian stuff.....

[warped peak]

Nowhere, Leedsichthys is the giant Leedsichthys relative

[stiff osprey]

Where are the giant Argentinosaurus relatives? 😔

[warped peak]

Where have all the good men gone and where are all the gods?

[wraith kindle]

SICS A GIANT HURDID ON YALL

[opaque kayak]

Is Tyrannosaurus the largest species of rex?

[ancient crystal]

Rex is the largest species of Tyrannosaurus

[tulip stream]

My brain just went stupid when I read this cause I was so confused

[opaque kayak]

IIRC Rex is the largest genus in Rexisaurids

[ancient crystal]

[opaque kayak]

I do wanna propose Sue as being classified as Rexsaurid indet, as there is little overlap with Imperiosus

[stable sun]

What the fuсk are you talking about

[opaque kayak]

Facts

[hallow spear]

rexsaurid indet

[wraith kindle]

Paleo sillyness.

[pastel yarrow]

:3

[ancient crystal]

In all seriousness though I've adopted a policy of pretty much never believing a "Omg a newly discovered biggest ___ was found" paper because the new thing always either gets invalidated or downsized.

[stiff osprey]

It amazes me that people's immediate response when they see a screenshot of a paper they've never heard of isn't to google the paper's title/authors

I've seen so many people either fall for it or post in other servers asking if it's true that Mark Wahlberg and John Leguizamo just described a new ceratopsian called the Sickfuckasaurus 3000

[restive crag]

I had someone genuinely ask me if Poop atrox was a real dinosaur by Glupshitto et al

[ancient crystal]

Now I'm curious if sickfuckasaurus 3000 would even be allowed as a scientific name?

[wraith kindle]

Gonna note that I didn't actually google the authors.....

[thorn grove]

I don't think asking questions is bad but I feel like that's a symptom of a more general phenomenon where people ask questions in chat that could easily be answered with a simple google search

[stiff osprey]

I think Sickfuckasaurus is technically allowed as a name can use basically any word or combination of letters. You can't use numbers though

[tough parcel]

Perhaps we should bring back public shaming

[warped peak]

I know what I must do.

[opaque kayak]

That being said we live in a world where Sigma Neck 8997 and Alpha Male 9109 was actually proposed

[warped peak]

I shall find a superpredatory cambrian worm nobody has ever seen, bigger than Omnidens, and name it Ligmavermis

[round hedge]

This is some monster hunter type shish

[opaque kayak]

That makes me wanna make MSNM v 4047 with the spino neotype body

[wind prairie]

can we get some fanfare for the birthday boy??
(iguanodon described feb 10, 1825, 200 years ago today)

[round hedge]

So a relative of cotylorhincus and caesasaurus, If discovered, could be named "fatassaurus" ?

[warped peak]

Remember you can already do that with scientific names

Crassivarelisaurus is roughly "Fat Butt Lizard"

[tough parcel]

Fire

[warped peak]

I still propose Batrachodeus for the big Eocene frog

"Froglike God"

[round hedge]

[round hedge]

Waiting for more info on ligmasuchus

Someone actually fell for it

[sullen cairn]

"i wish people would stop calling cope the largest rex"
another finger curls on the monkey's paw...

[round hedge]

Wait, vividen, the real vividen is in this server ?

[stiff osprey]

Yeah

[round hedge]

So makatoony yt and vividen ?

Man, 2 youtubers whose videos i like a lot

[stable sun]

who wins in a fight Goliath vs Celeste

[opaque kayak]

David the nanotyrannus victims

[sullen cairn]

celeste was conceptually funnier so that

[tough parcel]

Uh sure

[tough parcel]

It means "Uh sure"

[stiff osprey]

Proof that God decided to kill the dinosaurs because T.rex was too powerful

[wind prairie]

perfectly harmless belief. Tbf the age of reptiles was getting very out of pocket. I could see it

[warped peak]

Tyrannosaurus being instantly smited is the best proof of God

[wind prairie]

feels rigged, a predator reaches peak size and then big wormwood (kpg) came to pulverize everyone

[tough parcel]

T. rex being nuked from orbit is evidence that God exists

[proud prawn]

I'm the fake Vividen unfortunately. Table is the real mastermind

[tough parcel]

TableSeating...more like...VividenSeating...?

[real swan]

Please do not discuss politics or religion here. Refer to our #rules

All conversations in this channel must remain on the topic of past and present paleontological discoveries, scientific news, and depictions of prehistoric creatures in media in relation to palaeontology. per the pinned guidelines and our #rules if you have any questions or concerns regarding our #rules feel free to contact our team via @feral crane.

[sullen cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-you-got-me-walter-white-you-got-me-breaking-bad-gif-14953822891906881114

[round hedge]

Understood

[wind prairie]

https://youtu.be/gFcaS97RbPY?t=28 whose side you on
🍗🔥 🦣 🦣

[wind prairie]

imagine life in the late pleistocene
livin' with your cave brothers, a simple life, with beautiful beasts all over to admire (and eat and turn into tents), but at the cost that you could wake up with saber teeth in your eyesockets because no doors

[warped peak]

Doors existed, I'm not sure what you're referring to

[wind prairie]

not for caves

[warped peak]

Neanderthals lived in homes and huts as well

[halcyon cobalt]

well they did call them cavemen for a reason…

[warped peak]

because their bones were often found in caves, as caves are prone to preserving better than other locations

[steady rock]

what about the cavebears

[steady rock]

whats the oldest playable in PoT? ( Ie lived the earliest )

[ancient crystal]

Well almost everything is cretaceous, but the earliest official playable is probably eurhino

Someone smarter than me would know for sure

[pliant cedar]

trex

[steady rock]

my triassic king rex

[frigid delta]

i'm so hungry i could eat a Bronto

[stable sun]

Which species

[frigid delta]

a n y s p e c i e s

[stable sun]

Which ontogenetic stage?

[frigid delta]

JUST GIMME BRONTO ALREADY DAMMIT

[outer tusk]

NO what did I miss

[velvet burrow]

It is Eurhino
And including mods, i think it's Helicoprion

[ancient crystal]

Not dunkle?

[velvet burrow]

OH YEAH it's the dunk, forgot that man

[warped peak]

false: hibber

[wind prairie]

I like this art

[velvet burrow]

Didn't Hibbertopterus first appear during the late carboniferous? While Helicoprion appeared in the early carboniferous and Dunkleosteus is from the devonian?

[ancient crystal]

They look like they're having fun 😄

That... that's what's happening right?

[warped peak]

It's an interesting one

[velvet burrow]

Well that's... a massive span

[stiff osprey]

Something tells me this is because fossil beds with Hibbertopterus are poorly dated, and not because the genus lived ninety million years

[spice snow]

I just-a Gooloogole-a the title and-a see other articles-a saying it-a to see if it's-a true

[spice snow]

Woooaaaaahhhhhhhhhh story of Undertale

[topaz shell]

Idk why but I need that in 1/35 scale

It’s peak accurate

[spice snow]

It's-a not-a me? Mario? :(

[steady rock]

could a ceratopsians horns ever overgrown and be a issue to tha animal like modern day horned mammals like goats and rams?

[fluid inlet]

No

[steady rock]

mario gave the better explanation he solo'd you

[steady rock]

last stomp btw

you ruined it w the ai

[warped peak]

Apparently not?

[fluid inlet]

Solod by carcharodontosaurus https://preview.redd.it/carcharodontosaurus-saharicus-sketch-v0-lk0ggm7fjxuc1.png?auto=webp&s=e77a44171573a0b0ee0a04dd9778b93b7acd9202

[steady rock]

r u soloing me or the ai with carch

[spice snow]

That-a kinda looks like bowser

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-goku-goku-mad-goku-dbs-dbs-gif-11120329515669448575

[wind prairie]

oh right carchs have sickle claws now

I wonder if it was more mobile than the other toes

[fluid inlet]

It was more mobile than 6 mph Tyrannosaurus rex that’s for sure !

[wind prairie]

I mean its toes. If carch's sickle toe was more mobile than the other toes

[fossil ingot]

Why is bro so Light☠️

[outer tusk]

how is he light

[fluid inlet]

How much you weight

[fossil ingot]

I mean
12-12.5m and 6 tons
Bro would be Thinnier than Acro or even Meraxes to be that "light"
Bro was made skinnier than Mapu too

[fluid inlet]

More than 6 tons bud.

[outer tusk]

MORE THAN

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/more-than-that-octavian-morosan-kripparrian-so-much-more-even-more-gif-25363642

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Even that is Vague, minimum been 6t is also weird
Its better saying "more than 7t"

[thorn grove]

so 50 tons is on the table?

[fluid inlet]

How could you get slightly smaller from a 3% bigger femur ? Not possible right lol

[thorn grove]

I mean technically it could be the opposite of cope, and more like stan, where the femur is quite long but the rest of the animal is overall smaller, especially with the femur being somewhat distorted

That said it wouldn't explain the high circumference

[fluid inlet]

What’s the verdict on dakotaraptor from what I seen some say it’s legitimate and some don’t.

[compact leaf]

there does seem to be dromaeosaur material in there but considering nobody can verify the fossils it remains in limbo

[velvet burrow]

Impossible to do any kind of further research because the private owner is still gatekeeping the holotype

[steady rock]

https://x.com/HodariNundu/status/1889132016064663744 do you agree?

Hodari Shadowalker ❄️🐆 (@HodariNundu) on X

I think one single Smilo could do it. Granted, it would be easier for two or more. But S. populator was huge and those big fangs would've caused big damage regardless of where it bit. Lower abdomen, anus, spine, trunk...

X · Feb 11, 2025, 1:59 AM

[fluid inlet]

No

[steady rock]

and why is that rumble

[thorn grove]

Just eyeballing that looks similar to a Tiger vs Gaur situation and tigers do hunt even healthy male Gaur by themselves, which can be like a 4:1 or even a 5:1 mass ratio, occasionally even more

That said it is quite rare and Tigers basically always abandon a hunt on Gaur if they're spotted before their attack, as Gaur are very dangerous for even a Tiger

[steady rock]

So possible but very rare/situational and risky?

[thorn grove]

yea probably

[steady rock]

Would a pack of smilos be drastically different?

[thorn grove]

it would be much easier for a group to take down an animal that size yea

and I mean literally take down, big cats often rely on wrestling their prey to the ground before making the killing blow, so having more weight and power during the attack would make that process exponentially easier

[steady rock]

Oh really? I guess that makes sense, they do wrestle down giraffes with their numbers

[thorn grove]

yea they do it with cape buffalo too, along with other prey items

[foggy panther]

I’ve seen plenty of lion documentaries to know smilo would easily do anything lion does and more probably, if a lion can hop on a elephant and hurt it I’m pretty sure what you posted could 100% be true( I’m sure we hunted smilo’s to extinction cause it’s to dangerous to keep around)( but I’m pretty sure smilos had war with mammoths which seems a lot more dangerous then a elephant)( why else would smilo have dagger teeth if it didn’t use them)

[zealous ravine]

Cause you should take anything Hodari says with an industrial truckload of salt lmao

[opaque kayak]

did he do sm in the past?

[zealous ravine]

His theories just aren’t very reliable, the science behind em is iffy

[foggy panther]

People will avoid the truth dont worry, I believe smilo definitely used the dagger like teeth for somthing

[fluid inlet]

what truth?

[foggy panther]

That smilo teeth where a weapon

[fluid inlet]

Every creature that’s a carnivore has “weapons” then so I’m not sure what you mean by the truth lol

[foggy panther]

I mean it’s true it’s capable of being dangerous that’s all

[round hedge]

How innacurate is the fact that in path of titans You can make your concavenator be semi-aquatic ?

[foggy panther]

In reality more Dino’s could swim similar to how modern day animals can swim, yea there’s a few odd balls that can’t swim great but most swim perfectly(or better then others )

[round hedge]

No, but it has some passives that make it way more adept to water than other non semi-aquatic dinos, including, being able to hold in its breath for longer, and submerge at will

They clearly wanted to draw conca more to the semi-aquatic side

[foggy panther]

Well nothing about the game is real so nothing about conc is realistic I’d say expect it’s a Dino, most Dino’s (like lizards) could swim and claw at will

[halcyon cobalt]

no. the aquatic-ness of Conca was invented for this game

[round hedge]

Good to know

Because we have no real evidence of conca actually having this lifestyle

[halcyon cobalt]

why ask your question then

[foggy panther]

Even spinos on this game where made a lot faster in the water, unless spino really swims that fast with its big tail or if it had flat or webbed feet.sucho too

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/puruthecroc/status/1889136977607262506?s=46

Purus (@PuruTheCroc) on X

I love these dumbasses
#JurassicWorldRebirth

X · Feb 11, 2025, 2:18 AM

[round hedge]

It could've also been "speculation"

However If you're gonna speculate something, You need a base ideea to base your speculation off of

[foggy panther]

Some Dino’s just swim better then other Dino’s, conc does seems exaggerated in game but it’s a game, and I never met a real conc face to face to ask, I bet they swim faster then humans tho

[halcyon cobalt]

no you don’t

[round hedge]

So even If let's say

There's no evidence of webbed feet on a certain spinosaurid, You can speculate that they existed without any proof, because You know that your speculation won't always be true ?

[halcyon cobalt]

can you rephrase that

[foggy panther]

Big tails tho, they probably lived in tropical zones swimming around, even Rex should be a beter swimmer in the game but the Dino’s in game arnt flexible like real Dino’s would have been( I mean unless Rex sank like a hippo in real life I wish we can ask a real life Dino)

[fluid inlet]

Mosasaurus victim

[foggy panther]

this is what I was thinking of, like that Rex can dunk his head under the water and bite near his feet, that boi in water would be scary( food apparently in this situation)

On another note on a different Dino For some reason I couldent ever imagine a stego swimming unless it was a young one, they look like they would sink

[round hedge]

So even If we have no proof that a spinosaurid like spinosaurus had webbed feet, it's ok to speculate it despite us not having any proof ?

[foggy panther]

I mean stego did have that little neck maybe used it like a snorkel( I think most Dino feet where similar to croc feet, chicken feet and tortoise feet on another side note( and flipper sea turtle feet in other main swimmers))( lizard feet probably any type of foot we can think about )( all we gots is bones to work with with a lot of the Dino’s)

[potent marlin]

@fluid inlet 13.4 meters, and 12.5 tons, but since it has a single fossil which is the femur, it could be changed by placing it as a sauropod

[stable sun]

It can't be a sauropod. Goliath is Tyrannosaurus

[potent marlin]

@stable sun As I said, it can change, it's the same as what happened with saurophaganax

[sullen cairn]

the elite won't tell you this but femora are actually harder to diagnose than an unarticulated partial neural arch

[pastel yarrow]

Sigh

[halcyon cobalt]

as table said, femurs are a lot easier to identify than a random fragment of vertebrae

[fluid inlet]

Yo 🤣

[pastel yarrow]

https://discord.com/channels/537375400867659875/621392242283773962

[stable sun]

Saurophaganax holotype is an incomplete neural arch, which is way worse than a femur. You can easily distinguish a theropod femur from a sauropod femur. Plus Saurophaganax actually had theropod material referred to it.

[sudden wind]

Yeah, could happen

[winged glacier]

I love awful puns like this

[sharp canyon]

Hey I'm trying to remember the name of a group of non-avian dinosaurs that were essentially birds but not phylogenetically speaking

[quasi token]

is it scansoriopteryids (the lil dragon-looking ones) or microraptorines maybe?

[sharp canyon]

Nah not them, the ones I'm thinking of look almost identical to birds with a few minor differences

[light osprey]

Enantiornithes?

[sharp canyon]

Maybe? But every source so far seems to put them under the broader bird umbrella

[loud wing]

What's you opinion on the stance that tyrannosaurus rex's skin impressions aren't actually scales/scutes but something alike to the bird featherless skin?

[loud wing]

Avialae?
Non-avian avialans?

[halcyon cobalt]

So scales / scutes?

[sharp canyon]

Honestly Enanornithes might be what I'm looking for

[quasi token]

maybe though they're just straight up birds (a different clade from modern birds but still)

[loud wing]

I'm not sure it is what it's called, I'm not talking about bird legs

[halcyon cobalt]

you mean bare skin like the necks of vultures?

[loud wing]

Something like that. It was a theory that rex had plumage but it decomposed and now we have rex's bare skin that was under the feathers.

[halcyon cobalt]

I thought the skin impressions showed like proper scales though

[loud wing]

Same, I think it sounds deranged but maybe I'm wrong

Like, they say that it's what impressions are
Feather follicles or smth

I can't find anything in bird skin that can be mistaken as scutes

[terse sable]

Is this the lambeo? The legendary dinosaur that had healing powers, paleontologist are still trying to figure how exactly they healed themselves and others

Wait that's not lamb... that's hadrosauridae edmontosaurus

[frigid delta]

how well a Rex blend in darkness?
(yes this is Rex's eyes art by anonymous on twt ||i actually lost their users||)

[plucky bronze]

This might be an out there question but does anyone know of any graphs, research or papers comparing oxygen content from Triassic up to Modern times? I’m brain storming a story idea and I wanted to gauge a concept for dinosaur/prehistoric animal terrariums.

[plucky bronze]

@tough parcel Thank you so much, out of curiosity what was your source?

[tough parcel]

@stiff osprey found itb

[fluid inlet]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/18/science/earth-saturn-ring-asteroid-study how strong is the support for this belief ?

[wraith kindle]

I guess they needed another midsize semiaquatic and couldn’t use like, irritator or something.

[wraith kindle]

The asteroid would have to be quite huge for that to happen.

[fluid inlet]

Yep, I’m no expert on the situation tho.

[stable sun]

https://x.com/df9465/status/1751087219694338176 Bertha's femur is 135.5-145.5 cm

Denver Fowler Ph.D (@df9465) on X

@Pendo20261424 Girth is problematic, since the femur is crushed, althought his info is ina forthcoming paper (not mine). As reconstructed (incorrectly) the femur is 130.5cm. Based on comparison with the Sue monograph, this reconstruction is 5-15cm too short.

X · Jan 27, 2024, 3:38 AM

[light osprey]

“Straight up birds” is pretty subjective. They aren’t within the group that contains all extant bird clades, Neornithes

[warped peak]

This is what they're implying

Bird talons are covered in modified, scale-like feathers

[loud wing]

No, no it isn't what they talk about. I already said they mean the body, not legs

[warped peak]

I know. The idea is that the modified feathers, akin to the talon scales, would be on the rest of the body, as Feathers are the ancestral state and birds are clearly demonstrated to do this to an extant today

[steady rock]

What would be the chances of me surviving if I ran in a Zig zag from a carno?

[loud wing]

They tried to imply that rex was feathered and when it died its plumage rotted (?) and fossilized scales impressions from the body were actually skin impressions with feather follicles
I don't know what you are talking about, I just met another thing online and reality checking myself

[warped peak]

Ah I've seen both of those proposed. My bad

[sudden wind]

I wish people explored more when it comes to Dromaeosaur feet design and also did fluffy feet like in owls, ptarmigan and some swifts. Though most of those would probably belong to boreal species that lived in cold climates with regular snow (would be a cool design for Dromaeosaurus imo).

[wraith kindle]

So, the feathers de-evolved on the legs? Not sure about that….

Not exactly easy to transform those back into scales.

[sudden wind]

Nothing de-evolve. Scutes and scales seen in birds are modified feathers that went back to a secondarily ancestral condition.

A new scenario for the evolutionary origin of hair, feather, and avian scales (Dhouailly, 2009) : https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1469-7580.2008.01041.x

[warped peak]

I personally subscribe to this notion this was prominent in Unenlagiines due to often living in a cold environment and being less talon reliant for hunting

Also, apparently that Goliath Tyrannosaurus specimen is from TikTok so that throws like half the reliability out the window

[bitter quest]

Basically this what I think of in my head when I heard about the Goliath, t rex, specimen

[sudden wind]

It could work. That seems like reasonable speculation.

[opaque kayak]

We said this for 10 tons for a LONG time, and then we got bamboozled

[foggy river]

How it feels

[bitter quest]

Fr, basically a ekrixinatosaurus situation

i will laugh if 'titanovenator' gets that treatment whenever that paper comes out

[forest minnow]

Time to ask pt to scale their rex up to Goliath or cope hehe haha

[opaque kayak]

Funny how if you go up on reddit 10 tons still seems to be the "cap" of megatheropods

[tough parcel]

10 tons is where we've landed for reliable rex specimens with 11t starting to crop up with Cope

It's only when we start including the fragmentary/interestingly described rexes that we begin pushing 12+ tons

[bitter quest]

Ed cope might be more realistic for that since we have more fragments of it compared to goliath

[forest minnow]

Cope ain’t even thattttt bad

[tough parcel]

Yea, no-one's saying that right now

[bitter quest]

So until then Ed cope takes the crown, in my opinion

[stable sun]

when will Celeste be described

largest fragmentary supposed giant Tyrannosaurus with no measumerents of now vs largest fragmentary supposed giant Tyrannosaurus with no measumerents in history

[thorn grove]

reddit is pretty bad about a lot of stuff like that, the communities are too big for a couple of actually knowledgeable users to help correct inaccurate info and so most people go by estimates that are either on wikipedia or from like a decade ago, apparently the only Dinosaur you're "allowed" to use the high estimate for is edmontosaurus

[sullen cairn]

If only fadeno made a 12t Rex skeletal so people would be oddly accepting of the idea

[compact leaf]

fancy seeing you here

[primal ice]

Theirs two words for Goliath and its simple
Trex trex

[tough parcel]

Wouldn't, by nature of being a shortened name, make that 4 words

[warped peak]

Peter, that's JP Spino

[opaque imp]

?

[warped peak]

Behold, the mighty Oxalaia

[opaque imp]

And what does my art have to do with this?

[warped peak]

It seems to be very heavily based on Spinosaurus, without actually using any of the traits commonly observed in large spinosaurs, going for the exact same look as JP Spino

I didn't state any opinions? I was just saying it looks like a Retro Spinosaur

[steady rock]

It is not that serious, bring that energy down

[warped peak]

If it's not meant to be paleoaccurate or looking for discussion about it, it should probably just be posted in #art-channel

[tough parcel]

I will outright say it but if you don't want any form of criticism, #art-channel exists

The standard for #paleontology art-posting is either "this is cool" (not their art) or "any critique?" (their art) so this is the default assumption unless explicitly stated otherwise

[steady rock]

Who

The isle Meg design or PoT Meg design? Which is more accurate?

[foggy river]

Teehee

[warped peak]

Between the two, PoT, but neither is very accurate

[steady rock]

Why is neither accurate?

[sudden wind]

Because they don't look like monitor lizards

[warped peak]

The neck on The Isle's is a bit better, but everything else is wrong on it

[wind prairie]

what are some cool things about pliosaurs nobody talks about

[halcyon cobalt]

they are paraphyletic

[steady rock]

what does that word mean

[stable sun]

No they aren't

[halcyon cobalt]

oh polyphyletic

[steady rock]

whats that

[stable sun]

a group which doesn't contain all descendants of a common ancestor, e.g. lizards (as they don't contain snakes)

[thorn grove]

What Torvo said, but the opposite would be a monophyletic group, which does contain all descendants of a common ancestor, which is preferred in modern classification. Paraphyletic groups are often created by common names that describe things by morphological traits. As examples: Dinosauria is a monophyletic group, but non-avian Dinosaur is a paraphyletic group.

Polyphyly is sort of similar to paraphyly but where paraphyly contains some but not all descendants of a common ancestor along with that ancestor, polyphyly only includes descendants. An example would be grouping just Stegosaurus and T. rex into a group.

[fluid inlet]

No

[terse python]

Teeth

[cloud breach]

Ok

[sudden wind]

Pliosauroidea is monophyletic though.

[fluid inlet]

Not impressed by your little Goliath femur tbh

[frigid bloom]

Back legs on the Isle model are better but still a little too small, PoT Mega has the build of a skink

[spice snow]

I had to say this out loud to understand it

[fossil ingot]

Varanus Priscus my beloved

[balmy oyster]

Never trust TI for accurate designs

Then again POT isn’t the most accurate either at times

[naive helm]

What's everyones fav dino

[fossil ingot]

Suchomimus probably

[manic grail]

Spino

[naive helm]

nice

[native kindle]

Shunosaurus

[warped peak]

"Ubirajara"

[winter marsh]

Hi, I am Germany steals

[small geyser]

Scelidosaurus.

[fluid inlet]

Carcharodontosaurus

[thorn grove]

Scotty’s skull is so thick

[balmy oyster]

scotty is weird and I'm glad more people are noticing

I don't like this argument but it may just be individual variation doing the variationing with scotty

[hallow spear]

It’s taphonomic, individual variation and also pathological

Hartman mentioned it

[balmy oyster]

yes that

[light osprey]

Hartman’s scotty is pretty mundane looking

[mortal fossil]

I don’t know, it looks like a Rex without like

Making it look too exaggerated for no reason

A lot of Scotty reconstructions I see are way too over the top because biggest Rex I guess

(Well at least before Cope I suppose)

[fluid inlet]

I think it’s unfair how well preserved Tyrannosaurus rex is compared to the rest of the megatheropod family

[uncut salmon]

...I know darn well I still would have went 'come here baby, pspspspsps' I would die

[frigid delta]

yes

[opaque kayak]

6ft girl

[loud wing]

Doesn't modern cladistics avoid paraphyly everywhere just like it has made birds monophyletic with dinosaurs?

[stable sun]

Lizards and fish are paraphyletic

[frigid delta]

everything was a fish
(i am an intelligent gorilla)

[halcyon cobalt]

not everything

[fluid inlet]

Incorrect

[wary junco]

all clades are automatically monophyletic, because that’s just inherent with the definition of a clade, but within the system of modern cladistics you still have paraphyletic groups that are regularly used to group animals by similar morphology or ecology, like ‘lizards’, ‘fish’, ‘monkeys’ etc.

[mortal fossil]

Varanus as a single genus needs to be abolished

We already have subgenuses indude Varanus that are basically just should be put in the place of Varanus

Like we have Megalania, Odatria, Varsnus itself, Papuasaurus, Polydaedalus, etc

It makes no sense to have everything as just Varanus sp.

[tawdry mica]

Meraxes is the red skeletal and Tyrannosaurus Rex (Scotty) is the white skeletal that is stuck to the red skeletal (Meraxes)

[scenic flame]

no, no it certainly does not lol
PoT's meg is better compared to a tegu, which is wrong, but a skink just doesn't make sense

[ancient crystal]

I get mammal vibes from PoT mega idk why, it's obviously not one

[fluid inlet]

https://www.sci.news/paleontology/dalangshan-lambeosaurine-13654.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR205L6ftzZrOSyfuJtGK9T63GNnignmjL8l9dKGw9aZGYYTudBm68CHDdE_aem_aS2Q3r8_j5aX4mmAFrtzKA

[umbral kite]

how did google get the sound of a para and how did make such a guess that wat it sounded like

[mortal fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/tegu-tegu-eats-fruit-fruit-yum-gif-7574645

[mortal fossil]

I hope it’s named Taipinhadros ngl

Would be a banger name

[steady rock]

Would pynco have the same anatomical structure to be a speedster like carno?

[mortal fossil]

I mean
You conveniently picked a skink that fits your perspective

Skinks are an insanely diverse group that ranges from legless specimens to reduced legs to tiny legs to being fully arboreal with grappling legs

Do I agree with the comparison

No, not really

But I certainly see the argument when looking at a wider variety of skinks

[scenic flame]

I don't think that's at all a fair assement if the one you're showing here is also a bad comparison

[mortal fossil]

We literally don’t know

It’s 7-8 bones

All we know is it has relatively long femur so a very soft maybe

It’s certainly not a sausage like Majunga or Raja, but if it is average built like Acusaurus, Rugops, Skorpiovenator or a speedster like Carnotaurus; entirely a shot in the dark

I reckon the closest relative is Abelisaurus itself which we know from a single skull, then Carnotaurus which is so different from the rest of the family that idk if it’s a good idea to draw conclusions

[mortal fossil]

I mean it has a built similar enough to a tegu which is the PoT mega partially based on

[stable sun]

It doesn't have a femur

[mortal fossil]

Can you stop pinging me please

Also yeah okay it’s part of the hips and I can’t tell is that the tibia

I hate these dynamic poses for leg bones, it made me think it’s the femur

But if you gonna go “nuh uh” add the source like saying “no.” Is just not constructive without an actual counter argument at all

[stable sun]

It is the tibia and that other bone is pubis

The closest relative of Pycnonemosaurus is Quilmesaurus iirc

See this, click "open in browser" for full res

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/beomcz-person-turning-around-scared-person-turning-around-on-plane-scared-omg-face-gif-25050107

[mortal fossil]

I forgot about that one ngl

I also forgot that Llukalkan changed the family tree

I remembered one of the 2018-2020 cladogram which put Pycno between Abel and Carno

[mortal fossil]

S. humanum the GOAT 💯

[stable sun]

real

[round hedge]

How accurate or innacurate is the new spinosaurus design in jwr ?

The neck is kinda stubby, but all in all, is it good besides that ?

[stable sun]

based on my limited understanding, skull completely sucks, postcranial elements are better though

[round hedge]

Yeah, they slapped the JP3 spino head on the new design

(Actually looks more like the bary design)

[stable sun]

Wdym? JP3 Spino has a more accurate head than the new one

[round hedge]

Oh, ye

Guess i never realised

Wait........WHAT THE

HOW DID I NEVER NOTICE THE CRESTS ?

I'm happy now

[tough parcel]

The JW:R Spino sucks above the shoulders and is passable below the shoulders

[round hedge]

Bro's part above the shoulder make him look like one of those hypothetical ways humans can evolve to survive a car crash

[mortal fossil]

No It doesn’t

JP3 “Spino” has a Baryonyx head with Allosaurus crests

it completely misses the skull shape and the crest shape

Don’t get me wrong the new Spino is a mutated blob above the shoulders but it has the hooked nose, the crest is way better and overall follows the shape of the skull

It’s just way too robust and fleshy

[fair cypress]

How accurate is this sizing for Maip?

[stable sun]

Thomas Holtz disagrees

[round hedge]

Yh, new spino head looks like JW bary

[fair cypress]

It is JW Bary basically

[stable sun]

http://the_dinosauria.tripod.com/spinosaurus.html
Also the Baryonyx skull 2 from JP III was accurate for its time. Here's a very old Spinosaurus skull reconstruction for example. The new one gets the head shape wrong in many ways

[mellow prism]

yeah jp3 spino's head is better

[mortal fossil]

That’s just exaggeration because he immediately follows up with ranting about the ear hole which IS a huge anatomical error

But the skull shape is definitely closer to the real thing

[round hedge]

But he lacks the crest in jwr

[warped peak]

Not really, it's just small

[stable sun]

Now look at the top of the skull

[mortal fossil]

What paper or publication is that from then

Actual museum restorations of the Spinosaurs skeletal has a proper skull from the time and not Baryonyx with allosaurus crests

[round hedge]

Torvosaurus helped me realise this before You showed me this, but Thanks nontheless

I love your edits btw

[mellow prism]

lol

[mortal fossil]

This is like what they used for Spinosaurus in museums back then

It doesn’t have that weird Baryonyx dent or curve and has the hooked nose

All of those features are bad or lacking on the jp3 version

Damnit forgot to the picture give me a minute to fix that

[open compass]

The new head is based on old puppet spino (imo) and it was a prototype for jp3

[round hedge]

Am i the only one getting limbo vibes

Prob bc of the colors

Also, is it just me, or did they oversize it ?

The head is gianormous compared to the person next to it

[mortal fossil]

Here is the old Spino I forgot to link

[tough parcel]

I'd like to say the concept art had the singular crest but due to the concept art being only lateral, the modelers assumed it to be like Allosaurus and placed two crests instead of one

[mortal fossil]

I really don’t get the complaining when it has the nasal fenestra in the right place (albeit shrinkwrapped) and the lower jaw follows the curve too

It’s just too fleshy

[open compass]

JP3 spino is way better than the new one

[mortal fossil]

This is true

It was messed up during production because someone didn’t understand perspective then they didn’t fix it for some reason

[round hedge]

Might get flamed

But i lowkey kinda agree

[tough parcel]

For their respective eras, JP3 Spino is better

[thorn grove]

the new one is just so ugly lol

[warped peak]

They gave it the same style as Bary basically

[stable sun]

From the author of that website. It was made using Spinosaurus both species and Irrirator

[bitter quest]

Want to know something funny, that puppet spino actually a reused asset from a crocodile movie

[scenic flame]

ah, the old days where everything was shockingly emaciated

[round hedge]

XD

[mortal fossil]

I mean if you find it aesthetically pleasing then good for you; that’s an opinion you are certainly entitled to

But definitely not better on a scientific level for 2024

Also the new one is ugly but so is irl Spino

[stable sun]

That one was made way after JP III. The snout used was described in 2005

[warped peak]

This gave me the worst idea of all time: feathered Spinofaarus

[tough parcel]

I can say this with some confidence given that on a deep-dive, 90s Spino was still "Bipedal Dimetrodon", evidenced by the JP toy line and a Japanese article portraying it as such

[round hedge]

Don't bully my boi :(((

he's perfect how he is

[mortal fossil]

You are allowed to like it

But I am also allowed to call it ugly

[opaque kayak]

I mean skull shape wise visually the old one looks more accurate, unless you think Spino's skull looks like a 8 ton phytosaur

[stable sun]

#paleontology message these aren't similar

[mortal fossil]

If I am a Spino hater then you are a Spino fanboy

I am allowed to not like an animal and call it ugly

Also that is honestly the ugliest spinosaurus edit I have ever seen

[round hedge]

But oppinions that are less toxic, generally deserve more praise and people agreeing, even If an opinion is still an opinion

[opaque kayak]

New spinosaurus looks a lot like a smilosuchus skull for some reason

[tough parcel]

The JP: Chaos Theory toyline had this

[opaque kayak]

But what's adding to the conversation by saying a animal looks ugly and that you hate it? How much of this JW spino and irl spino hating is paleontology related?

[warped peak]

None of this discussion is Paleontology related at this point

New topic

[round hedge]

Looks so squeezable

I Wanna grab him in my hand like the rat from that meme

My new fav animal

[opaque kayak]

It's crash bandicoot

[warped peak]

Thats apparently just what Bandicoots look like

[round hedge]

I want one as a pet so bad now

[real swan]

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[stable sun]

That is what is happening

[real swan]

@round hedge If you wish to report a user for breaking our Discord #rules please do so through @feral crane.

[warped peak]

Honestly not an unrealistic one. They're like guinea pig sized

[opaque kayak]

I'd rather we don't hate on any extinct animal. Not really any reason to for animals we didn't even meet

[round hedge]

However we have reason to like them, and cherish the fact that they lived on the same planet as us

[warped peak]

What about Thylacines, we met them

[opaque kayak]

We get to despise them. They are evil 👿

[round hedge]

We never met gryposuchus

Yet we still have gharials

[opaque kayak]

Rise up bahariya gang (alternatively dust gang)

[round hedge]

Who's the tall dude ?

[gray zealot]

bahariasaurus

[lament roost]

Obvi a dienony

[round hedge]

Damn, it's taller than spino and carchar

"I only date guys 5m and above"

      -female bahariasaurus

[stable sun]

That's Tamery not Carcha

[tacit pine]

agreed

[gray zealot]

bahariasaurus on its way to land the sickest layup without leaving the ground

[open compass]

Is spino the heaviest here?
Nvm, that's not fair comparison

[open compass]

That's carcha's smol but horned brother

[tacit pine]

peak

[mortal fossil]

I love how the last option is just toothpick sticking out of Tamery’s head

[thorn grove]

guys please I got timed out last time can we not start this again :(

[steady rock]

We're not doing this today, please

[real swan]

As previously stated, please keep all conversations in this channel on topic for discussion of past and present paleontological discoveries, scientific news, and depictions of prehistoric creatures in media in relation to palaeontology.

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[daring turtle]

What valid species of spinosauridae exist?

[steady rock]

Montanuspinus

[opaque kayak]

Counting only the ones which are def real, Cristatusaurus, Iberospinus, Vallibonavenatrix, Baryonyx, Protathlitis, Riojavenatrix, Suchosaurus, Ceratosuchops, Riparovenator, Suchomimus, Ichthyovenator, Irritator, Sigilmassasaurus and Spinosaurus

[daring turtle]

Thank you!

[steady rock]

Ppl just don't understand comedy 😒🙄

[opaque kayak]

Sr for the late response, this is probably gonna be a good comp for bahariya

[wind prairie]

spinosaurus is genuinely such a pretty animal from what we can tell
I understand calling an animal ugly but you can still like them even if you think they're ugly (though idk how such an inspiring thing as spinosaurus is ugly)

[small geyser]

What’s the most up to date weight estimate for Scelidosaurus?

[winter marsh]

this is cursed to look at for so many reasons, one of them being Baharia just dwarfing spino

[stable sun]

Camarillasaurus

[opaque kayak]

Is it a def spinosaurid?

[stable sun]

Yeah
Also your list doesn't have Siamosaurus

[balmy oyster]

• accurate
• this wasn’t in baharyia
• accurate
• this wasn’t in baharyia

[opaque kayak]

Also W mod who decided the slow mode to be back to 1 min

[opaque kayak]

They are more meant to be the maximum sizes for the species found in bahariya, not nessesarily for the specimens found in bahariya. Random made his sigil on spino B, vibes and all

[balmy oyster]

We don’t have msnm/nhmuk sized spino remains from baharyia (yet) & spino b reached a smaller size

[opaque kayak]

That's why I said they are meant to be the maximum sizes of the species at bahariya, which isn't a impossible preposition. Also, iirc Spino b apparently has some things which link it with sigil

[balmy oyster]

Yea I’m not saying it’s not valid, but for sure it’s definitely not the exact same thing as sigil

It seems that ichthy/sigil like spinosaurines were more frequent than spino-like spinosaurines from all that we have (& upcoming) which is neat

[opaque kayak]

Hmm, Idk about def not sigil, just not a lot which confirm that

[balmy oyster]

Second sigil species

[opaque kayak]

trust

[outer tusk]

Stan

[spice snow]

Literally just JP3 ceratosaurus

[steady rock]

should edmontosaurus have lost this fight that badly?

[stiff osprey]

pretty sure this Edmont was old and sick so yes

[steady rock]

oh, it was? i havent watched the movie in a while, what edmonto and pachyrhino species even lives together?

[stiff osprey]

e.kuukpikensis/ugrunaaluk/whatever you call it and pachyrhinosaurus perotorum

[steady rock]

which is bigger i wonder

[stiff osprey]

kuukpikensis is a dwarf for edmontosaurus standards but given most of its specimens are juveniles i'm gonna say the edmont

[sharp canyon]

https://youtu.be/KBzlkPS7ZUw?si=RXDOWGI17APyx68-

This video reminded me of just how odd life on Earth was back then

[steady rock]

would you say that theres a ( kinda ) rule of hadrosaurs usually being larger then the ceratopsians of their formations?

[stiff osprey]

this is true of pretty much every formation outside the lancian yes

[thorn grove]

Outside of North American they’re generally much bigger lol

[steady rock]

really?

is edmonto the only hadrosaur from america reaching over 10 tons? para use to but it got nerfed

[thorn grove]

Ceratopsids are the biggest kind of Ceratopsians and the only one currently known outside of NA just so happens to live with Shant

[steady rock]

damn

[potent marlin]

@stable sun perhaps, but because it has only one bone, the femur, and the analyses come out very quickly, it is not known whether it can be maintained as a theropod, or changed to another dinosaur.

[stable sun]

It's absolutely a theropod. It looks basically identical to Sue's femur. People like Curtice or Larson agree it is Tyrannosaurus.

[stable sun]

Magnapaulia

[tough parcel]

Magnapaulia when someone other than Fadeno makes a skeletal

[steady rock]

can i see a magnapulia skeletal? 🥺

[stable sun]

okay you can't really make a 80 cm humerus belong to something small

[tough parcel]

Considering the track record, I dunno if it’d be so big 💔

[steady rock]

my goat paracetus could never get downsized

[sullen cairn]

fadeno's magnapaulia is like 50kg below 11t so it is safe from the rule of any non-sauropod fadeno scales over 11t is actually half that size

[tough parcel]

Safe on a technicality 💔

[sullen cairn]

like you probably could find a way to scale an 80cm humerus somewhat below 10t but it'd be kinda stretching it

[tough parcel]

What if the humerus was from a tyrannosaur? Like the Labocania…

[sullen cairn]

bonham 2.0

[warped peak]

Magnapaulia being the only Survivor is great

[stable sun]

Scaling it gives 10+ t either way

[fluid inlet]

Cook him Magnapaulia owns that fraud

Big Paul

[hybrid spindle]

Yall seen that Goliath trex?

[balmy oyster]

yep
quite giant

[hybrid spindle]

@fossil ingot just searched it up and Pete 3 is 5 tons

[fossil ingot]

Bro😭

[hybrid spindle]

Also the largest allo is still 4 feet shorter than Pete 3

[fossil ingot]

Here is the Allo Chart I told you @hybrid spindle

[hybrid spindle]

Where are you getting 11.8 for AM? It says 9.7 for other articles this is mad confusing

[fossil ingot]

Pete III is 10-10.1m
Its not much larger than the Holotype

[stiff osprey]

9.7m is for AMNH 290. AMNH 5767 is a different animal and was always estimated at 11-12 meters

[fossil ingot]

AMNH 5767 is not the same as AMNH 290 is the 9.8-10m lad

[fossil ingot]

Pete III iirc is also around 10.1m and 4.1t iirc.
He wasn't Much larger than that

[hybrid spindle]

Everywhere online is saying Pete 3 was 5 tons and way closer to 11 meters also thanks for the clarity on the allo specimens

[sullen cairn]

Pete iii is either 10m or 11m depending on the triebold’s mood and the 5t Pete iii figure thing is sorta just Wikipedia lying

Which is to say the 5t das Wikipedia mentions is actually sir William which is probably not 5t and according to the triebold probably not daspletosaurus

[fossil ingot]

No Sir William
Not the goat

[hybrid spindle]

This is the maxes though, dasp was bigger on average which was the whole point of my original statement. but that’s crazy didn’t know we had a allo that big.

[fossil ingot]

On Average?
I mean we have like 3 Dasp Species lol.
With different Size Ranges too
Same with Allo so kinda depends which Allo and Dasp we using

[tacit pine]

W doc or whatever. Watched it when i was younger

[fluid inlet]

All speculative at the end of the day. I know there’s a couple different methods for getting sizes or average sizes. These are good methods but just know nothing is 100% certain.

[north quail]

Realistically who would win irl, pycno or allo? Allo is larger from what I found, and longer but pycno is an abelisaur and they have a similar niche to tyrannosaurs because of their small arms

[stiff osprey]

if you put the largest Allosaurus against the only Pycnonemosaurus specimen that exists the allo would win

kind of unfair to use the largest out of 10 trillion allosaurus when we only have one pycno though

[velvet burrow]

Why are these always so cursed

[north quail]

Though we have size estimates of 3.6 tonnes and allo 2.7 tonnes

From what I’m seeing when researching

[north quail]

Ikr 😭

Plus allosaurus had a relatively weak bite, and pycno due to being an abelisaur, would have a much stronger bite, would it not? So wouldn’t pycno win? Hypothetically of course since they didn’t fight irl

[stiff osprey]

abelisaurs really don't have super strong bites for their size

plus even if it did, the biggest deciding factor in a fight between two predators is always size, and the largest Allosaurus is 4.8 tonnes or more, at least a third larger than pycno

[north quail]

Really? I mean considering planet dinosaur, abelisaurs were portrayed to, but given the fact that documentary was made in 2010… so some things may be quite out dated

[north quail]

Where’d you find that? What I looked up said allo was 2.7 at most, ish. Considering it was the specimen AMNH 680

[stiff osprey]

''saurophaganax'' is just a large Allosaurus specimen and it weighs at least 4.8t (danison et al, 2024)

[north quail]

Yeah true, alright

[sullen cairn]

save us premaxilla (synapomorphies: brazil) et al

[stiff osprey]

who would win: fragmentary specimen assigned to pycnonemosaurus based on vibes (urc) or fragmentary specimen assigned to a.fragilis based on vibes (epanterias)

[sullen cairn]

but when i say 9m adult rugops im a bad person

[stiff osprey]

to be fair i don't think the morphology of rugops's type skull is consistent with it being a baby

[sullen cairn]

this may be true but technically 9m rugops and 4m rugops are both the size of adult allosaurus thanks to allosaurus stupidus

although this would imply 9m rugops is actually rugops gigastupidus

[stiff osprey]

rugops inteligentius

[warm saddle]

Hwo big were the 4 allos spesies?

[fluid inlet]

Kenyan giant victims

[keen tundra]

Who would win

[brittle comet]

Allosaurus 7-10,5 M Length, 3,8-4,6 T Max. Pycnonemosaurus 9 M Length, 3,6 T

[brittle comet]

I'm already including Allosaurus anax

These images are not mine, they are just edited.

[brittle comet]

Finally, I would put a 65% chance for Allosaurus and a 35% chance for Pycnonemosaurus. Both are animals, so saying that only one would win is not right because there are many factors to decide.

Or maybe 60% Allosaurus and 40% Pycnonemosaurus. But this is counting the largest species of Allosaurus, if you count the smaller ones Pycnonemosaurus has more advantages in weight and size.

[zealous ravine]

Your average Allosaurus is very much outclassed by Pycno, it’s only the very large ones that measure up to it. That being said animal v animal is stupid

[fluid inlet]

Cook

[thorn grove]

Every time animal v animal comes up everyone proclaims how it's stupid but also weighs in anyway, not even making fun of anyone either cuz I've done it myself lmao

[zealous ravine]

Mhm, the urge is simply too strong

[fluid inlet]

Torvo solos

[balmy oyster]

I put my chances on old age

always wins...can't ever beat it...

[zealous ravine]

The immortal jellyfish:

[errant juniper]

How strong was dunkles bite force in pounds?? I heard somthing about 11k-80k

[pastel yarrow]

The teddy bear in the back

[scenic flame]

I don't see the logic prescribing arbitrary percentages in "who would win" questions, mass is the greatest deciding factor for individual interspecific conflicts

[stiff osprey]

whenever someone says ''X would win'' it's implicit that it means ''most of the time'' because trying to account for every minutia of animal behavior or dumb luck that could possibly flip the fight is pointless

I could win against a T.rex if the T.rex tripped on a log while chasing me and died, but unless I could see the future I'd bet on the rex winning

[fluid inlet]

As @zealous ravine pycno would beat most allosaurus species , but if we do biggest allosaurids vs biggest abelisaurids we don’t lose at all.

[fossil ingot]

Anax is 11.7m and 4.8t
Pycno is 8.9m and 2.7t

[sterile trail]

At that point, I'm rooting for A. anax

[stable sun]

That Pycno isn't adult though

[scenic flame]

I mean I doubt pycno is going to increase im size by any meaningful amount in this comparison as an adult, sincw the holotype is a sub adult

[scenic flame]

Depends on how much influence Jack Horner has over the script

[tough parcel]

What??

That's not how plot armor works

[stable sun]

this channel basically ignored the oldest short tailed bird

[tough parcel]

Uh yea, that's not a megatheropod

[scenic flame]

Be quiet and taking your awesomebr'Os like a good child
(satire)

[stable sun]

basically the most interesting dinosaur discovery of 2025 so far.......

[small geyser]

Just bumping this real quick.

[stable sun]

[insert random megatheropod here] solos

[steady rock]

https://x.com/j_stocky/status/1889977787198718137 how possible would this be?

Mr.Stocky (@j_stocky) on X

Bull Triceratops individual named scarecrow who has a T. rex skull on his head that left an infection that later healed and turned into a trophy.

X · Feb 13, 2025, 9:59 AM

[scenic flame]

no, I mean do you know who Jack Horner is? He's a paleontologist had a big role in JP 3's spino and script

[uncut salmon]

...uh as a model yeah, but as a skin probably not. Could be a subspecies for triceratops

[steady rock]

i meant irl

[uncut salmon]

No, definitely no

[steady rock]

largest allosaurus compared to largest torvo?

[stable sun]

Similar size

[brittle comet]

Pycno foi atualizado um tempo depois das estimativas de 8,9 M, indo de 8,9 M para 9 M e 2,7 T para 3,6 T. Já o Allo anax não consegui achar estimativas mais recentes além dos 10,5 M.
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