paleontology

[stable sun]

referred specimens:

[fossil ingot]

This means the 16 ton Iggy is Real

[hallow spear]

reffered with no basis:
the only unique part is the fibula with isnt apart of the other specimen, the tibia and femur are indestinguishable from other Allosaurus species and are A. sp

[fossil ingot]

[stable sun]

Same locality, both Allosaurus, both similar sized. What else would it be?

[hallow spear]

Not anax, is my point

no overlap, no valid refferal. the paper lists it as A. sp

[stable sun]

Ok Allosaurus taxonomy sucks

[river plinth]

:0

[hallow spear]

so true

[outer tusk]

ew that neck

[errant juniper]

why is his neck so beeg bro

[stable sun]

Wait until you see Deinocheirus

[errant juniper]

oh god.

[stable sun]

Actually nevermind Deinocheirus look at the entirety of sauropoda (except brachytrachelopan)

[runic rover]

so, i just came home from my trip to Portugal/lourinha, i was talking to one of the AMAZING museum guides, i was telling them that "Torvosaurus and Miragaia are fairly popular", and the guide disheartened me, she was like "is it? i see people only really care if it is a T-rex or not"

[dusty mesa]

What's you guys favorite avian dinosaurs?

[scenic flame]

do note more recent recon have the tail abit longer than shown here

[outer tusk]

erm use this one Vivdsky

[fossil ingot]

[warped peak]

Who had stronger arms?

Deinocheirus or Megatherium

[umbral kite]

look at this legendary find

[sudden wind]

Megatherium

A is the humerus. B is the ulna. Both in dorsal view.

Other picture is the radius.

Megatherium is stupidely robust.

[outer tusk]

am gonna be deadass Diocles is a chill dude and love him but this skeletal is just okay

[errant juniper]

does anyone have a picture of hibber fossils?

[errant juniper]

he looks so derpy i want one as a pet

what would happen if i gave a hibber a shotgun

[tough parcel]

Heat death of the universe

[errant juniper]

fr

[outer tusk]

I thought I was looking at a face

[coral bluff]

you are just from above

[errant juniper]

yeah hibbers eyes are ontop of his head

[loud wing]

thanks I'm hungry

[winter marsh]

Could anyone say if it was possible that Sarcosuchus Hartti (I believe it's how you write it, it's the Brazilian Sarco) could have lived together with Oxalaia and possibly even fought for food

[fossil ingot]

Tmk Hartii is Quite Small
And Oxalalia while now smaller than Sucho(but likely is still Spino now)
Man idk lol
Oxalaia is also like destroyed lol

[winter marsh]

they lived inn the same place and time right? Spino simps cn finally have a fight between a ripoff of it and a shrinked killer croc

[fossil ingot]

Look at Harti's Skull smh

[velvet burrow]

Now i'm also curious if they shared habitat ngl
About the last part, since all we have of both are jaw fragments we can't know sh*t about what they did but by the law of common sense, if they lived together they absolutely had conflicts for overlapping food sources

[frigid delta]

does that designed for Rip & Tear?

[winter marsh]

it looks fine tbh, can definetely grab that guy aand shake him to death

[fossil ingot]

Maybe?
We know Sarco atleast Imperator ate Fish and Larger Prey Equally
Sarco skull isn't as Thin as a Gharial or False Gharial
Its more like that of a Orinoco Crocodile

[frigid delta]

cousin fight go go go

[sudden wind]

Oxalaia and Sarcosuchus (even from Brazil) are separated by 20-40 millions of years depending of how deep you go in the strata.

[frigid delta]

Neeco the Mewing Sauropod???

[winter marsh]

I will, do nothing

[sudden wind]

In other words : they never interacted with one another.

[winter marsh]

RIP

[tribal trail]

yo im stuipid, how would i describe the Maastrichtian stage more broadly? late cretaceous? is that accurate

[halcyon cobalt]

latest Cretaceous iirc

[silver canopy]

https://www.livescience.com/animals/dinosaurs/giant-horned-dinosaurs-fossils-were-destroyed-in-wwii-but-photos-reveal-it-was-an-unknown-species

[velvet burrow]

It is but late cretaceous is like, almost 40 million years? I say "very end of the cretaceous"

[warped peak]

By Epoch, I believe it's just Late Cretaceous

[unkempt roost]

If you think about it, Champsosuchus literally means "crocodilian crocodile".

Would a scientist be dumb enough to give something this name?

[tough parcel]

What

[steady rock]

you mean champsosaurus?

[tribal trail]

ty

[sterile trail]

Were Megaraptorans the only theropods able to "pronate" their wrists or am i misguided

[stray saddle]

Also a real spinosaurus together with a lot of other real squeletons were destroyed during bombing raids in ww2... its so sad.

[fluid inlet]

Torvosaurus on top

[frigid delta]

wait we're still believing the pronated theropod arms in this big 2025?

[halcyon cobalt]

“I have zero reading comprehension” award

[clear onyx]

Imagine time traveler going back into the carboniferous and seeing a 3 meter long arthropleura looking like this

[rare nexus]

Muttaburrasaurus! My precious

[rich vessel]

Oh shoot, I didn’t know the nose part was bone

[rare nexus]

Huge noise syndrome

[drifting condor]

How possible is this

[topaz shell]

Possible

[rich vessel]

Possible

[fluid inlet]

Possible

[frigid delta]

Possible

[frigid delta]

Megalodon When:

when

[river plinth]

He's just a guy a good one well maybe but he's that guy regardless :P

[rare nexus]

Fr fr

[river plinth]

Now I'm thinking iggy was partly design based around muttaburrasaurus least the ones with big noises 💀

[sterile trail]

No 💀
It's just that Megaraptorans are often depicted being able to semi pronate their wrists. I just want to know if it's true or not

[clear onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-megaraptor-silly-funny-dance-gif-3875950103593723934

BoB megaraptor = retro deinocheirus

[frigid delta]

excellent but i wonder if they could also do 👇

[coral bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/sausage-hand-trick-gif-22123964

[clear onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/чапкіс-гопак-повзунець-козачок-україна-gif-25469729

[coral bluff]

pronated theropods

[river plinth]

I knew I wasn't tweaking
Now I know we're that damn fact that was mendella effected in my head came from

[round hedge]

Anyone remember eocarcharia ?

PEAK CARCHARODONTOSAURID

[astral spindle]

If anyone knows,

How big is Stegosaurus St. (YPM COLL)

And how big is the biggest Stegosaurus Ungulatus?

[sudden wind]

Latest late cretaceous, or uppermost stage of the Mesozoic/cretaceous. Though if you would like to give information on what defines Maastrichtian rocks it's the Iridium rocks from the meteorite impact and some ammonite taxa (Anapachydiscus and Pachydiscus). There are other stratigraphic fossils associated with Maastrichtian and a climate cooling episode, which caused some faunal turnover among marine microfossils and lowered sea levels.

[sudden wind]

Afaik, YPM coll is the largest Stegosaurus, with an estimated femur size of 137.16cm. It also falls within S.ungulatus.
The weight is estimated to be about ~8 metric tons with a density of 1.03.

[astral spindle]

Isn't YPM COLL Stenops? Or is it assigned to Ungulatus now?

[sudden wind]

Depending on what you read and who you ask, S.stenops = S.ungulatus. Maybe I am wrong so gotta ask @hallow spear.

[astral spindle]

Ok, thx

[sudden wind]

@stiff osprey to scale a crocodile size by head : body ratio (if of course D.hatcheri respects that which idk if anyone knows), which measurement should be used : skull length or dorsal skull length ?
I know your reconstruction is, as like every other ones of Deinosuchus, to be taken with a grain of salt but I wanted to have a broad idea of how large it would get by using your skull reconstruction.

[hallow spear]

S. ungulatus needs a reassesment tbh, will probably get one too but not anytime soon

the biggest stego one has yet to be scaled cause im waiting to do that until the new stuff on sophie from dempsey releases to scale / gdi it

[hallow spear]

YPM Coll is essentially undefined collection of YPM specimen(s?) that are assigned to ungulatus or S. sp
Its YPM Coll because its uncertain or unclear whether it is one specimen, a composite/chimera etc

[wraith kindle]

Whats the bone below the jaw here? Hyoid? Megalania for context.

[outer tusk]

It's a hyoid

[wraith kindle]

I thought it'd be smaller or something.

[fluid inlet]

Anyone know of any good museums in Louisiana I know there is one in Lafayette that looks decent ,

[stiff osprey]

Dorsal skull length should be used, however I'm fairly sure it has a proportionally larger head than modern relatives, as many extinct giants do

[opaque kayak]

To my knowledge Deinosuchus skull length regression would get a very large deinosuchus using modern crocs. I'm not sure how big though, if I am being honest

[stiff osprey]

most likely you'd get 12m+ using skull length

Which is a good indicator that it had a proportionally large head since the vertebrae do not support this

[opaque kayak]

I still long for someone to make a postcrania

I just find it confusing if the rugosus/hatcheri vertebral column matches up with the regression results, even if they are scalebared

[stable sun]

what if you put stomatosuchus into the equation

[stiff osprey]

the skull length one? That would be humongous

[opaque kayak]

L shape

[stiff osprey]

and also obviously not accurate since its skull is like 40 cm wide

[stable sun]

What does scaling skull width get btw

[stiff osprey]

idk I don't actually have the equation

[opaque kayak]

IIRC it would be quite small, like 7-8 meters

[stable sun]

1/3.5 of its body was its skull, amazing

[stiff osprey]

considering that 90% of its skull is snout yeah that checks out

I would put it closer to 9 m though

[warped peak]

9m Stomato or Deino

[stable sun]

Stomato

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/haolonggood/status/1881034538341822595?s=46 @stiff osprey @zealous ravine

Haolonggood Fans (@Haolonggood) on X

#Braquiosaurio Vs #Giraffatitan

X · Jan 19, 2025, 5:42 PM

[stiff osprey]

huh???

[forest minnow]

Can I ask what’s the biggest Deino right now weight and length?

[stiff osprey]

That doesn't look like the HLG Brach at all, must be some other company's

[fluid inlet]

I’m confused as well I asked for clarity and he said brachiosaurus lol

[stiff osprey]

using the tail: SVL ratio of fadeno's skeletal gets 11.3 meters and 7.6 tonnes for cm 963

TMM 43632-1 may have been bigger but there is no real evidence of this

[compact leaf]

it actually has a nice upright posture too

[fluid inlet]

Also

[stiff osprey]

big conc

[opaque kayak]

Deinosuchus hatcheri vs Paleoloxodon namadicus

[fluid inlet]

I been thinking about getting Tyrannotitan but I don’t like what’s going on with the mouth area

[forest minnow]

Thank you!

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/theedarkcircle/status/1880925673029878184?s=46 could this happen to dinosaurs too?

Wildlife Uncensored (@TheeDarkCircle) on X

Lion having a seizure attack due to exhaustion after chasing wildbeest.

X · Jan 19, 2025, 10:30 AM

[fossil ingot]

Peak
How does the Largest Puru compare to that?

[stiff osprey]

I believe fabio's puru skeletal is 10.4 meters, however puru has a much shorter tail proportionally

[fossil ingot]

Weight Wise I would guess like 6+ tons right?

[stiff osprey]

yeah

[fossil ingot]

Peak Caiman and Gator Moment
No Exact weight estimate I am guessing
Maybe 6.4t? Idk

[fossil ingot]

Do we have any good weight estimate for the Largest Meg?

[opaque kayak]

I think it's sm around that, given modern croc regressions

[fossil ingot]

Also what was Megalania's Closest Relative
I have heard Lace Monitor/Varanus Varius and also Varanus Giganteus/Perentie

[fluid inlet]

Sarcosuchus will always be the most iconic crocodyliform no matter how much people try to kiss up to Deinosuchus and purussaurus

[opaque kayak]

If there were two rumblrjs the other rumblrj would have commented perucetus victims talking rn

[warped peak]

Kapro:

[steady rock]

how small would the para have to be for this to happen? ( im getting the gif, wait )

okay well, thne full gif dosent show it, but its the chased by dinosaurs clip where a deinosuchus lunges at a charnosaurus and is able to lift it up and drag it into the water, what would the realistic weight that the charnosaurus would have to be for that to be possible?

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-park-gif-18317622390607313038

[small perch]

Hello friends, today I found something nearby, is it something interesting or can I throw it away?

[zealous ravine]

Do you mean Parasaurolophus?

[steady rock]

wasnt it charno?

[zealous ravine]

Charnosaurus isn’t a thing. Do you mean Charonosaurus? If so then I doubt it, cause Charono is from the China-Russia border and Deinosuchus is from the southern US lol

[steady rock]

wait, nvm it was para and it wasnt chased, im getting it confused due to the beach being trhe same as the theri episode

[velvet burrow]

The fraud

[steady rock]

actually, better question, whats the lift strenght of a deinosuchus? what would be the largest thing it could grab?

[warped peak]

I'd be much more curious to see that for animals instead of just bite force

[little mauve]

Saltwater crocs can take 1000 kilo+ horses, cattle, & buffalo so doubling that for deinosuchus might be a good place to start

[sudden wind]

Looks interesting. Maybe some sort of early worm or mollusk. Try to contact a local natural history museum or some experts if you can.

[steady rock]

do you think it was able to lift up the average ceratopsian?

[compact leaf]

it looks more like an eroded sand dollar to me, when they’ve been out for a while they can wear into weird shapes like that

[little mauve]

I imagine it would be more dragging than lifting with very large prey

[steady rock]

oh yeah, true, i wonder whats the largest thing it could drag

[coral bluff]

maybe a juve ceratopsian

[tough parcel]

Adult hadrosaur

[little mauve]

Yeah adult dinosaurs seem well within the capabilities of larger specimens of deinosuchus

[steady rock]

underestimating it hard

[coral bluff]

[sudden wind]

Maybe. An underside view would be helpful @small perch.

[steady rock]

would ankylosaurs and nodasaurids be on the menu or would their armor and spikes would be enough to drive it off?

[sudden wind]

They'd still fall as preys to the largest predators around.

Turtles aren't free of predation, nor are armadillos or pangolins, neither are hedgehogs and porcupines so I don't see why would Ankylosaur be safe when they reached adulthood. In some formations, they are dwarfed by the local largest theropods, which can bite their head and possibly severely damage them.

[thorn grove]

Considering how easily modern alligators can crush turtle shells, I think Deinosuchus wouldn't necessarily mind Ankylosaur armor, tho it's probably not as big compared to them as alligators are to the turtles they tend to hunt

[steady rock]

where would they grab? like, the head? the side? In Pot its implied the sarco grabs ano from the side to drag ( carry ) it into the water

[sudden wind]

We even possibly have a predation attempt evidence of a Tyrannosaur on Tarchia.

[thorn grove]

Either would work for grabbing, if anything biting the head would be likely to take it off entirely though

[sudden wind]

Also uh, possibly gregarious ankylosaurs. Neat

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0195667120303190

[thorn grove]

Borealopelta appears to be countershaded similarly to Psittacosaurus and modern animals under strong predation pressure iirc, so that's another line of evidence for them not being as invincible as a lot of people assume

[steady rock]

would the best method of dealing with a nodsaruid/ankylosaurid would be going for the head?

[thorn grove]

probably, especially if you have a strong bite force

[sudden wind]

As suggested by the fossil evidence, possibly. Their bodies are too wide to actually get a bite on so the head is probably easier.

[steady rock]

their low to the ground, i dont think your gonna be getting any belly shots if your a large carnivore

[sudden wind]

Low to the ground = lower COG = better balancing = harder to move.

Also I suppose their are too heavy anyway to be turned over (for the larger ones) by their predators (if these were gigantic like Acrocanthosaurus and Tyrannosaurus) when they reached adulthood.

[steady rock]

cog means center of gravity right?

[fluid inlet]

Kapro not even in the discussion for iconic crocodyliforms

[steady rock]

Metriorhynchus 🥺

read this #paleontology message

[steady rock]

kronosaurus victim

[fluid inlet]

Perucetus victim @opaque kayak

[steady rock]

kronosaurus swims by, takes a chunk of it and swims away to eat the meat chuck

[opaque kayak]

Why are nuke victims talking?

[fluid inlet]

Covid victims taking up space.

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-embarassed-judging-stantwt-gif-12090057455749529145

[sudden wind]

Yes (also what makes a cybertronian capable to transform, tho a transform is not defined by their cog, but by the spark that resides in their chest)

[steady rock]

whats a cybertronian

[lunar copper]

transformer

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-think-so-megatron-d-16-transformers-one-maybe-gif-1413067700807750904

[warm saddle]

The race of the giant transforming robots in transformers

[manic grail]

TRANSFORMERS

https://tenor.com/view/optimus-prime-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-gif-18532949

[wind prairie]

think of how insane miocene africa was

[sudden wind]

https://tenor.com/view/opening-eyes-arise-optimus-prime-transformers-one-gif-12633521397039167666

[manic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-transformers-prime-starscream-transformers-starscream-gif-13636594575230156534

[steady rock]

is this true
on average Saurolophinae's get larger then lambeosaurine's

[thorn grove]

Table could answer better than me but I don't really think that's true

Granted the largest Hadrosaur is a Saurolophine and there might be a few more particularly large Saurolophines than particularly large Lambeosaurines but there are a ton of pretty generic sized Hadrosaurs from both groups

[steady rock]

para is the biggest lambeosaurine right?

[thorn grove]

no Magnapaulia would be I believe

[steady rock]

giant para is like. 10 tons right?

[thorn grove]

no it's been downsized to like 6 tons

[sullen cairn]

if i had a nickel for every time fadeno scaled a well-known taxon to twice its actual size i'd have at least three nickels which is honestly a lot given the context

[hallow spear]

😭

[steady rock]

so para's max size is 6 tons?

sinoceratops is the largest Centrosaurinae at 5 tons right?

[fossil ingot]

Got epically ignored lol

[warped peak]

:(

[wind prairie]

I'm sure someone on the internet would try and justify this act against God
at least it's not ear lobes

[warped peak]

To be fair, it was meant to be cursed as possible

[tough parcel]

The horrible part is this is the truth............

[wind prairie]

edmonto looks like plucked deinocheirus and rex looks like... nasty anteosaurus

[warped peak]

I refuse this notion

[outer tusk]

Guys could something like this be within reason for marine reptiles despite not being countershaded

[warped peak]

I mean there's less camoflauged patterns in the ocean

[wind prairie]

maybe. Either way I don't see why every marine reptile should be portrayed as an oreo, I'd like to see some more (but plausible and accurate still) ideas

[warped peak]

Snakes

Countershaded Oreo is the most safe reasonable bet for any given high grade marine predator, but there's other reasonable patterns too. And this is pretty reasonable

[hallow spear]

[outer tusk]

The colors is based on number 1.

[steady rock]

what exactly am i looking at?

[daring phoenix]

Hola una pregunta cómo hago para descargar el juego en mi PC

[steady rock]

#português i think

[tribal sandal]

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[daring phoenix]

Y tocó pagar para jugar

[tribal sandal]

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[daring phoenix]

O ok

[steady rock]

sucho allo megalosaurus...

[outer tusk]

Where do you see megalosaurus

[steady rock]

DASP ALLO SUCHO

[fossil ingot]

Based

[outer tusk]

Suchomimus is the odd one out between Daspletosaurus and Allosaurus, because suchomimus has one species to its name while the rest have 3 ( I choose to ignore A. anax )

[steady rock]

well, daspleto could also be considered the odd one out as its really the only apex of its ecosystem, sucho has sarco and allo has torvo

this is a dumb statement while would i say this

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Sucho was larger than Sarco, I doubt Sarco would try Sucho and Viceversa
Plus Sarco stayed in Rivers more ambushing and Sucho likely stayed more with fish without going to deep into water

[steady rock]

you think eocarchia was trying sucho or nah?

damn eo skinny as hell what the hell how is it only 1.8 tons

[fossil ingot]

A 8.3m Allo is 1900kgs so yeah kinda skinny
Would it try Sucho? I MEAN it can Try I personally see Sucho as to Large for it to try

[outer tusk]

Would be odd for suchominus to go after sarcosuchus

[fossil ingot]

Yeah and would be Odd for Sarco to go after Sucho unless its very deep water
Those 2 likely avoided eachother

[outer tusk]

Or likely didn't avoided each other but rather just niche parten with sarcosuchus being more generalist and suchomimus being more piscivorous

[manic grail]

Since when is sucho 12 meters?

[steady rock]

https://x.com/LiterallyMiguel/status/1881029091668946959

Literally Miguel 🇻🇪💥🔫 (@LiterallyMiguel) on X

Carnotaurus, while really fast in straight lines, it wouldn't have been adapted for sharp turns like other slower theropods, leading to possible goofs like this one with a baby hadrosaur getting its way

birthday gift for @TheNorthkivist!! idea by @ConvictClaude :D

#paleoart

X · Jan 19, 2025, 5:20 PM

does anyone else forget hadrosaurs lived in south america

[thorn grove]

Tbh sometimes yea lol

Everyone is always talking about them vs Tyrannosaurs so it gets glossed over

[fluid inlet]

That post got deleted I’m thinking that was Dreadnoughtus? @stiff osprey @zealous ravine

[steady rock]

is there a tyrannosaurid and Ceratopsia on every continent or nah?

[compact leaf]

neither are found in gondwana, so that’s australia, africa, south america, and antarctica

[fluid inlet]

They definitely tried each other in desperate times and ate each others young whenever the opportunity arose but other then that I’d agree they stay cleared of each other.

[zealous ravine]

It was the Showanna Sauroposeidon resin kit

[fluid inlet]

How you know this for certain?

[steady rock]

if im right, Sauropodomorpha, Thyreophora, Ornithopoda have been found on every continent ? i feel like i may be forgetting a group

[zealous ravine]

It was confirmed lol

[stiff osprey]

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=927926882780380&id=100066892290400&_rdr

this here shows it

[fluid inlet]

Where

[compact leaf]

yep that’s right, those are pretty broad though tyrannosaurids and ceratopsians are a lot more specific

[zealous ravine]

Theropoda as well

[steady rock]

oh true, was any group ( group in the vain of ceratopsian and tyrannosaurid ) found on every continent?

[fluid inlet]

Haolonggood will pay for making me think there was another sauropod on the way.

Still no words on pnso 3 months now.

[halcyon cobalt]

Maniraptora or something

[fluid inlet]

Brachiosaurus x Alamosaurus

[steady rock]

has any been found in antartica or australia?

[compact leaf]

there isn’t really any super specific groups that are on every continent, usually australia throws a wrench in it

[steady rock]

is Therizinosauroidea in maniraptora? when i look maniraptora it shows pictures of therinosaurids

[compact leaf]

therizinosaurs are maniraptorans yeah

[steady rock]

i dont know why but im actually really suprised abt that?

[halcyon cobalt]

birds are in maniraptora

[steady rock]

well birds are fake so do they really count?

[fluid inlet]

Does anyone know of any good museums where they got a good sarcosuchus skeleton on display

[steady rock]

should i create a speculative ecosystem that i think could work? and u guys rate it

[steady rock]

does anyone have any suggestions

[restive crag]

Camptosaurus

[steady rock]

you have a good skeletal for that?

[steady rock]

ty beagliam 2.0 that totally did NOT kill beagliam 1.0

[restive crag]

Definitely didn’t 😉

[steady rock]

did i scale campto right?

[restive crag]

Looks about right, I’m doing a similar project so add Tameryraptor as well

[steady rock]

can our formations be next to eachother?

[restive crag]

Sure

[steady rock]

this is how you scale this stuff right?

[sudden wind]

Yes

[restive crag]

Yea, also here’s like some of the guys on mine so far

[fluid inlet]

Where spino the king

[steady rock]

is this good so far?

[topaz shell]

I would Lowkey replace the sauropod

[steady rock]

why? usually theres a smaller and larger sauropod in a formation

[topaz shell]

add a larger sauropod👍

[steady rock]

yes 🥺

[restive crag]

Here’s my Spino but Random’s is better I’m just plugging atp

[halcyon cobalt]

since there’s a large spinosaurus I take that this is a fluvial / wetland environment? I think some fishing birds / pterosaurs and also crocodilians of various sizes would fit

[opaque kayak]

Oh, wow, it's liam, Bro I was collecting your spino skeletals!

Awesome skeletals man!

[restive crag]

Thanks bro really appreciate that! I can send you old old wips if you want too if you’re collecting them lol

[steady rock]

oh i will, just doing the dinosaurs first

my imagination is like, a landscape full of large riverways but its really flat, with spots of forests littered throughout the large grassy expansions

did that make any sense

basically, yellow stone, but tropical, and with alot more rivers, and flatter

[opaque kayak]

Oh, wow, that's awesome man, thx!

[steady rock]

actually, you know what would be fun? make a desert/arid ecosystem, anyone got a list of formations that are arid or desertee?

[fluid inlet]

Was he before or after Camarasaurus or same time period

[steady rock]

before, mid jurassic

[restive crag]

Before like quinzz said, and also weirdly not super closely related despite how similar they look

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I was thinking they’d might be closely related , which sauropod species was its predecessor?

[steady rock]

zby bettert

[restive crag]

Zby is also goated

[steady rock]

what does its name even mean?

cool

[fluid inlet]

?

[steady rock]

?

[fossil ingot]

Few years now

[snow python]

How heavy was Kaiwhekea?

[manic grail]

And its confirmed to be 5 tons too?

Or is it still 2.5-5 tons

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
Range can be 5-5.4t or even 4.8-5.6t depending the model or skeletal used

[cloud aurora]

Who did rex have the most beef with?

[manic grail]

I see. Always happy to see my boi sucho big like that

[opaque kayak]

Probably on the legs. It would need to be cured though

[cloud aurora]

No like who was rex biggest enemy

[manic grail]

Maybe triceratops or dakotaraptor? Dakotaraptor would probably be a big problem if it actually lived in packs

[outer tusk]

Dakotaraptor, trust

[runic rover]

what's this about? looks funny and interesting

[halcyon cobalt]

Other T rex

[halcyon cobalt]

like 2-3 tons iirc

[stable sun]

probably Tyrannosaurus rex

[cloud aurora]

Oh ok

[frigid delta]

prob Triceratops
Ankylosaurus was pretty rare in Hell Creek and-
wait a minute what can an Edmonto even do besides running anyway

Edmonto the second they spotted a Rex:

[dense ibex]

A dakota would do Nothing to a rex even in packs aside from like, stealing food

[dense ibex]

Either another rex But Triceratops

They had a Predator prey relationship and they both evolved around to kill eachother

So the two could take the other down

[outer tusk]

Although triceratops didn't necessarily evolved to "kill" a rex

[manic grail]

Stealing food, stealing eggs and killing young rexes

[dense ibex]

They did tho they Both evolved around each other

[manic grail]

Also is the dakotaraptor even valid?

[outer tusk]

They almost like any other predator and prey relationship

Also Dakotaraptor is valid

[tough parcel]

In the sense that no-one has been allowed to examine the material and make it invalid

[manic grail]

But everywhere in the internet it says it is thought to be a chimera

[stiff osprey]

The only element that is confirmed to be chimeric is 1 bone out of the dozen that make up Dakotaraptor

[stable sun]

Yeah but Cau suggested more bones aren't Dromaeosaurid

[stiff osprey]

I agree but it's still valid currently

[manic grail]

And a very small amount of bones were found too

[scenic flame]

This isn't how predator prey relationship work, prey are only under pressure to evolve traits sufficient enough to deter predators, weather it's lethal or not

[scenic flame]

This is anthropomorphizing, they're not using complex strategy or multi generational plans to genocide tyrannosaurus

[manic grail]

Bro what are you talking about. Eating the eggs and preying on younger animals isnt something out of this world. Its what predatory animals do

Bro talking like i said they build cars and drive over other dinos

[velvet burrow]

https://bioone.org/journals/annals-of-carnegie-museum/volume-90/issue-3/007.090.0301/Morphological-and-Phylogenetic-Significance-of-the-First-Adult-Humerus-of/10.2992/007.090.0301.short

[velvet burrow]

Did anyone get to see the paper? It's paywalled

[mellow prism]

https://www.mediafire.com/file/l94214268eu2ikw/Morphological_and_Phylogenetic_Significance_of_the_First_Adult_Humerus_of_the_Patagonian_Cretaceous_Theropod_Megaraptor_namunhuaiquii_Novas%2C_1998.pdf/file

[runic rover]

tetanuran? so... back in Carcha family?

[velvet burrow]

No

[stiff osprey]

tyrannosaurs are tetanurans

[stable sun]

Tetanurae means everything more closely related to modern birds than to Ceratosaurus, which includes Carcharodontosaurids but also includes Tyrannosaurs and even modern birds

[outer tusk]

I know this is more on game design than paleo accuracy but I was curious would this be okay

[steady rock]

for what

[umbral kite]

How nany mapusaurus would it take to kill a argent

[light osprey]

So many Mapusaurus

[tough parcel]

A whole lot, the highest quality Mapusaurus, one might say

[steady rock]

how many mapusaurusu would it take to screw in a light bulb

[stable sun]

none because their Giganotosaurus roseae

[errant juniper]

did hibberoptorous likely eat smaller eurypterids?

[steady rock]

probably

[outer tusk]

hibber hunted argentinosaurus

[steady rock]

hibber is god

[errant juniper]

Fr

[fluid inlet]

Magnapaulia chilling in the water, not worried about you or anything else. You’re simply insignificant to such a specimen.

[stiff osprey]

@stray saddle Hi, are you online? I'd like to know if you or your friend have any measurements of the dorsal centra of DINO 2560

[warped peak]

randomly pinging Jesus himself for info on a dinosaur

[stiff osprey]

I already got the sacrum and cervical measurements

@wes well, he was there personally after all

[spice snow]

I want this Andrewsarchus so bad

[stray saddle]

Oh , how did you know he was my friend?

Yes one second , I will call him

[stray saddle]

He contacted to the guy that mounted the squeleton but still no response. It was 1 month ago. For now no one knows it.

[stiff osprey]

Alright, thank you anyway

[steady rock]

@stiff osprey im sorry for the ping but i just wanna know if your prestosuchus from 2018 is still accurate and update size wise?

[stable sun]

Wait hold on what

there's someone who has the measumerents?

[warped peak]

Still waiting on a random Japanese professor for a possible answer regarding an obscure Cenozoic genus nobody knows anything about, except for them

[steady rock]

what genus is it

[stiff osprey]

it's more or less the correct length but too heavy for this specimen, 1450kg would be better

[steady rock]

also did it live in a arid enviorment?

[warped peak]

nuh uh it's one of AE's secrets so I can't tell lol

[steady rock]

i dont understand how a modding team ( im assuming AE is archic eons ) can gatekeep a prehestoric animal 😢

[warped peak]

It is a marine animal though

We're not. But revealing it in this conversation is a direct reveal of our roster, and a secret that got added directly at my request. I'm just trying to get some more specific info on how it lived that greatly influences the model

[velvet burrow]

While i don't see the point of such mixing because most of those formations have solid fauna by themselves (and it's basically like mixing Cloverly, late Cedar Mountain, Dinosaur Park and Hell Creek) it looks fine

[steady rock]

is anything in clovely, late cedar mountain and dinosaur park survivng a tyrannosaurus

[velvet burrow]

Sauroposeidon

[stable sun]

Sauroposeidon, Price River 2 quarry titanosauriform

[steady rock]

thats why sauropods are the GOATS

[compact leaf]

sonorasaurus and abydosaurus also both count as late cedar mountain so probably them too

[spice snow]

Ur pfp is so goofy

[stable sun]

In that case Paluxysaurus too

[stable sun]

I disagree, since it actually has differences from Sauroposeidon and adult Paluxysaurus was like only about 20 m

[spice snow]

What animals from the cenozoic are theoretically impossible to clone in the future? Like at what point in the past does the DNA become too fragile to extract?

[steady rock]

peracetus

[umbral kite]

whos hibber

[winter marsh]

hibb

[outer tusk]

Game design I was thinking of doing it because I wanted a decent amount of playable in a certain biome or formation for playable wise

[steady rock]

hib

[velvet burrow]

Ye but at the same time you can get double that amount with either Huincul or Allen

[fluid inlet]

I never apologize for pining anyone watch this. @stiff osprey @zealous ravine is this their new tyrannosaurus ?

[restive crag]

That’s their carch

[zealous ravine]

No that's their old Carch lol

[velvet burrow]

Also i noticed that for South America you're missing abelisaurids and noasaurids (especially the former)

[fluid inlet]

Wow they definitely need a part 2 for most of the old theropods they have done. Like I think they need to redo Carnotaurus.

[zealous ravine]

Honestly I really like the carnotaurus, even the lack of lips for some reason doesnt bother me that much

[fluid inlet]

It looks good for the time period but it can be improved for sure, which Haolonggood is showing that they are capable of which the recent theropod releases.

[stiff osprey]

Weirdly enough the Carch was done before Carnotaurus but looks much better

[frigid delta]

i've hired this Shantungosaurus to stare at u

[brave stump]

What bars front feet look like ?

[thorn grove]

There's a good chance they looked similar to Edmontosaurus' feet, which are surrounded by a fleshy mitt and have a single partial hoof on the front side

[marsh raft]

Love this!

[fluid inlet]

Ty , conc and Tyrannotitan up next

[brave stump]

I hope that the case

[uncut seal]

where’d u get them from

[honest cobalt]

Giga looks kinda small?

[tough parcel]

I can very much assure you, it is not

[velvet burrow]

Basically, beeg

[storm heron]

It looks bald for some reason.

[fossil ingot]

Tauro moment

[winter marsh]

yeah, it looks like it has a thin neck for some reason

[light osprey]

I disagree 🔥

[opaque kayak]

It's apparently virtually the same size with a slightly less robust torso

[fossil ingot]

New compared to Old

[opaque kayak]

I think that one is a really old one from dan

He had a 2024 version, oh nvm it looks same 😭

[fossil ingot]

Its the same
Just openend mouth really

[outer tusk]

^

[fossil ingot]

Darknix said it appeared larger than Before
But how we know its Torso is slightly less Robust?.
Cause Dark said it was wider and more robust then reconstructed before and he Helped Dan make his Giga back in 2022 so ikd

[outer tusk]

Rahiolisaurus gujaratensis

[opaque kayak]

^

[fossil ingot]

Peak

[outer tusk]

Would Dark happen to be either Greyback or Giganotosaurus?

[fossil ingot]

Maybe???
I would need to ask cause tmk he told me he was the one who help Dan's by measuring the bones irl and giving him estimates

[tough parcel]

Primordial Tryants

[steady rock]

@sweet briar you wantewd to know the diffrenec ebetween titan and giga right

titan is lighter?? uhm, lived....later and is smaller i think
rate my rightness out of 10 y'all

[hallow spear]

No he isn’t

[fluid inlet]

perucetus victims

[umbral kite]

guys you knew how some croc could grow up to 36or larger than normal size could sarco ir deino do the same

[steady rock]

the most regal of ceratopsian

[errant juniper]

what yall think is the most accurate dinosaur in the park/jurrassic world franchise? cuz most of them are innacurate as HECK

[opaque kayak]

All things considered Rexy is somewhat decent

[errant juniper]

i agree i guess mosa is okay? but it still looks wrong also rexy needs back hairs/fur cuz i think rexes had some?

[opaque kayak]

Mosa,...is pretty bad. Rex probably didn't have as much feathers as you are thinking, and it has many other problems as well, but really, jw standards are bearable

[errant juniper]

im thinking of hank from prehistoric planet didnt he have a little back fur?

[halcyon cobalt]

Hank is a little too rotund. there isn’t really evidence for the fur though so I don’t think that’s applicable

[thorn grove]

Yes but that's only an inferred trait with no direct evidence. There is a good chance rex had some light feathers based on phylogeny but it's not really such a crime to not include them, especially when JP/JW doesn't really include super detailed close up shots very often.

[errant juniper]

thats fair i hate it when people protray dinosaurs as all feathers and when i say "not all of them had a ton of feathers" they just say "HOW ARE YOU A DINOSAUR NERD IF NOT ALL DINOSAURSHAVE FEATHERS!"

[halcyon cobalt]

wait till they realise edmontosaurus isn’t beating T rex

[thorn grove]

a lot of people are quick to go overboard with things, it's sort of the "counterjerk" cycle, like doofus mentioned a lot of people also went overboard with the "Hadrosaurs aren't fodder" thing

[errant juniper]

i feel like.. i still havent decided im leaning towards edmonta any reasons why rex would win over it?

[halcyon cobalt]

size, power, weaponry etc etc. edmontosaurus beating T rex is like a doe beating a tiger

[thorn grove]

It's bigger on average and being a predator is better adapted for killing

[errant juniper]

by the way who would win 2 velociraptors fully grown or a fully grown hibberoptorous? (i stan the hibber just curios)

[warped peak]

It's also important to note that Tyrannosaurus is one of the most overkill predators of all time, so it's extremely dangerous, even to things bigger than it

Hibbertopterus kinda lacks any meaningful offense, but it'd be way more trouble than it's worth for something as small as a Velociraptor. Keep in mind Hibbert is encroaching upon 10× their mass, depending on estimates used

[halcyon cobalt]

I don’t think either would really be able to hurt eachother

[errant juniper]

hibber i feel like could win hes 6.6 feet long idk how heavy he is but he could mabye crush them pruely with their weight or idk if this could happen headbutt the raptor aginst a rock crushing it. IF he knows how too do that

[halcyon cobalt]

couldnt the raptors just like run out of the way? also im not fully sure if hibbertopterus could walk on land

[errant juniper]

its liike imagine getting smashed against a huge rock or thrown into one could you run away that easy? also yes hibber can go on land.

[thorn grove]

I honestly think even with its mass hibb just lacks the flexibility or mobility to really do anything to a Velociraptor, and in turn they can't really do anything to it with its armor and size

[warped peak]

People tend to underestimate the sheer size of Hibber

But it's also got no meaningful way to hurt.

[halcyon cobalt]

wes could hibber even walk on land?

[errant juniper]

most likely. yes

from fossil evidence they said it could run at a few miles per hour so hes still gonna be slow- but i feel like hibber could pull it off not sure about the fossil evidence thing btw because it is REALLY hard to tell.

so could hibber win? i would say yes i dont know how much we have about it so who knows it COULD have a way to MABYE harm something.

[halcyon cobalt]

velociraptors win by virtue of having lungs imo

[thorn grove]

but what if the fight happens in water hmmmm???

[errant juniper]

thats fair i respect your opinion but think about it if hibber gets a hold of one and its near water..then the other raptor couldent really do much to it.

[halcyon cobalt]

velociraptors win by virtue of coelurosaurian cunning

[thorn grove]

dang sad but true

[errant juniper]

hibbers could breath on land but not forever.

[halcyon cobalt]

yeah but hibber would probably be too slow and clunky to actually get a hold of them. I’m not sure if it’s entirely applicable but you don’t really see horseshoe crabs making mad dashes on land and they are a lot smaller

[errant juniper]

but then you gotta remember hibber is built like a BRICK. he could just walk into the water and he kinda wings by just hiding or even drowning one of them.

so who wins? it could go either way but i feel like hibber 60% of the time

[steady rock]

What was hunting larger prey, sarco or purru?

[thorn grove]

if the win condition for hibber is just to avoid being preyed upon then it wins 100% of the time by being too large and armored for the raptors to kill and not even living in the same environment as them

[errant juniper]

yeah i want justice for hibber

[errant juniper]

hmm well purru is one foot longer but we really cant go off of that so it depends on what ones more argressive and more impressive.

[steady rock]

I don't think that's how it works

[errant juniper]

thats fair im not well educated in this stuff im slowly getting better

[steady rock]

You are!

[warped peak]

Hibber vs Veloci is just an eagle vs a Galapagos Tortoise

Sure it might technically be feasible but it's not worth the hassle and it's really just a waste of time

[errant juniper]

naw hiber solos it hunted argentinasaurus fr fr

[warm saddle]

Prob puru

[stiff osprey]

on one hand puru's skull morphology would indicate it hunted larger prey, on the other hand it simply did not live with animals as large as sarco did

[errant juniper]

Yeah

[stiff osprey]

like puru hunted giant sloths and giant turtles and all but that's kinda lame compared to hunting like sauropods

[errant juniper]

Btw if one day for some reason if anyone wants too teach me stuff about paleontology im all ears.

[wraith kindle]

I really don’t think sarco actively hunted sauropods? Probably nothing stopping it from grabbing the head of one that’s drinking, but still.

[stiff osprey]

to be fair the one sauropod we know it lived with happens to be smaller than sarco itself

[wraith kindle]

Smol sauropod.

What’s the name of it?

[stiff osprey]

it's Nigersaurus

[warm saddle]

How heavy was it?

[wraith kindle]

The South American Sarc though? Although I read that the other stuff in the sediments it was found in were too fragmentary to get a good read or something.

[stiff osprey]

south american sarc is kind of tiny (tiny = saltwater croc sized lmao) so it would be hard to find a sauropod smaller than it

[warm saddle]

Ok now question how heavy were puru's prey

[sudden wind]

As if Sarcosuchus would hunt other sauropods than Nigersaurus anyway.

So didn't Purussaurus live with ground sloths as large as Nigersaurus if not larger?

[stiff osprey]

iirc stupendemys is about 2 t and the giant rodents could reach 800kg but i have no idea what giant sloths it coexisted with

wow i was way off phoberomys is 250kg

[wraith kindle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granastrapotherium is one of its contemporaries and is 3 or 4 tonnes.

@stiff osprey Might have been thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephoartigasia ? Off of the wiki page for purusaurus.

[stiff osprey]

aha, the largest animal it could have hunted is Hilarcotherium at 6+ tonnes

but aside from that everything is vastly smaller than a fully grown puru

given Purussaurus has adaptations for terrestrial movement i wonder if it ever chased down a giant sloth or glyptodont on foot

[warm saddle]

Wait it does?

[stiff osprey]

it has three sacral verts (almost all other crocodylians have two) and a more vertical femur posture which are interpreted as high walking adaptations

[warm saddle]

W3ll you learn aom3thing new everyday

[fluid inlet]

I mean not really if you compare the size differences of the sauropods and giant sloths they were hunting.

I love Sarcosuchus and I’m not familiar of the sauropods in the region but it wasn’t hunting giant adult titanosaurs.

[stiff osprey]

at least Nigersaurus is like close to the size of an adult Sarco, unlike the sloths

Though I guess Hilarcotherium fills that gap in Puru's case, there is a fragmentary specimen that could weigh like 9 tonnes

[wraith kindle]

Didn’t the wiki page for that say other stuff was heavier? Like one I linked would actually be twice as heavy? But you know, wiki….

[stiff osprey]

an adult Purussaurus would be ~6t so Hilarcotherium is the only animal in South America at the time that was heavier than it

[fluid inlet]

What’s the largest specimen for Purussaurus

[wraith kindle]

He just said 6 tons thereabouts.

[stiff osprey]

it's DGM 527-R, a 175cm mandible

[wraith kindle]

I got ghost pinged?

[stiff osprey]

the bot censored RJ for being rude lmao

[fluid inlet]

Largest specimen doofus , 6 tons would be average I’d reckon? And no it got deleted by Alderon cuz I guess the word I said isn’t allowed lol

[wraith kindle]

Coulda meant averages, yea.

[stiff osprey]

No 6 tons is the maximum, 6 ton average for a croc would be bigger than Deinosuchus even. Also can't calculate a good average with like three specimens

[fluid inlet]

Wouldn’t the fragmentary specimen you mentioned be the maximum potentially?

[wraith kindle]

Theoretically.

[stiff osprey]

maximum for the species? Absolutely not, you'd never find the biggest individual ever by pulling out 5 or 10 fossils randomly

There were probably 7,8,9 ton purus at some point but ~6t is the largest supported by the specimens we have

[fluid inlet]

You confusing me Dinos , you said 6 would be the maximum for for Purussaurus and then you tell me the 9 ton specimen would absolutely not be the largest the species can get, I know I ain’t drunk. Lol

[wraith kindle]

Biggest individual ever is probably gonna be afflicted with gigantism or other growth disorder, or just very old.

[stiff osprey]

I never said purus had a 9 ton specimen though. Hilarcotherium has a fragmentary 9t specimen, that's a mammal

[fluid inlet]

Biggest individual would be max size tho, how big is the biggest Deinosuchus specimen ?

[stiff osprey]

biggest deino supported by measurements is currently 7-8 tonnes although there is a shittily described specimen that might have been bigger

[opaque kayak]

I assume you mean TMM?

[stiff osprey]

43632-1, yes

which has a 90% chance of just being another 7-8 t individual but i'm giving it the benefit of the doubt

[fluid inlet]

Good to know, damn thats not what I been hearing for years, but I was never in a paleontology group either.

[wraith kindle]

Wiki page doesn’t mention specific specimens sizes, does mention a particularly large mandible fragment.

[opaque kayak]

I mean, I was told multiple people double checked the methods, so a downsize was not on my list at all, but Ig I was lacking in knowledge abt that

[wraith kindle]

Why do you hate the bahayria formation? Just wondering.

[sullen cairn]

do we know how rigorous the double checking was or was it just like seeing if fadeno's estimated skull size had a reasonable h:tl ratio

[stiff osprey]

i've been saying for a few years that two crocodylians with vertebrae 1cm apart in size would not have had a mass difference of 200% but understandably people are more likely to take a full skeletal reconstruction over "a guy said so"

[fluid inlet]

Whats the biggest sarcosuchus specimen ?

[sullen cairn]

cause it took all of five minutes looking into deino after someone brought it up in the lovely prior extinction server for the 13m+ estimates to seem fishy and i dont know jack about crocs

[opaque kayak]

They recreated Fadeno's method and saw that it worked, and also, and I will say that I never checked it myself, that it was impossible to go below 12 meter off the fundamental basis that CM is far bigger then AMNH, and TMM is even bigger, in which CM is non-scalebared, and the measurements are double checked, and it was less fragmentary then quite a bit of specimens currently used, which made me, and many people along with that assume that

[wraith kindle]

I’m not the one to ask about specimens, sorry.

[sullen cairn]

i suppose the issue there could be amnh skull scaling being based off shreds of bone and plaster after which people decided to ignore the vert scaling

[stiff osprey]

I will say while i didn't agree with 13-14m cm 963 i also wasn't expecting it to fall below 12 meters

in fact i knew about the vertebral regression paper in advance but i dismissed it because i was just that convinced it had to be bigger than 11m

[sullen cairn]

or people not accounting for the condyle because if you include the condyle as the not-condyle length it would have snout-vent length kinda similar to fadeno's
but this of course ignores that you'd be using the objectively wrong metric standard

[opaque kayak]

I also believe there was a lot of people who went with regression to debunk the method, but most estimates using that method was disregarded, as with many problems with regression in comparison to a rigorous, through skeletal like Fadeno's

[wraith kindle]

Are you talking about the nose bulb?

[sullen cairn]

i actually like using regression more than most people but thats because of how much easier grillcourt makes the abelisaur enthusiast's life

[stiff osprey]

ironically the regression is strongly supported by a wide range of closely related animals while the thorough skeletal reconstruction gives it 25% larger dorsals than what the measurements indicate

at least the snout vent length one is, the length including tail regression is weird

[opaque kayak]

When I was young, Bahariya formation was the place I called my home. I had love for the place, and made many friends, Bahariyasaurus, Spinosaurus, Carcharadontosaurus, Tameriforgotnameraptor, Stomatosuchus, "Sarcosuchus", Sigilmassasaurus, 1000 Spinosaurus morphs and Sauronips, who I called my friends. Unfortunately, Three of my friends died by boming, and the rest were fragmentary, which upstarted my resentment to my formal allies. Ever since then, we had fallen out, and hate each other now. (Hater just means we actually love that animal but call it hating for some reason)

[stiff osprey]

probably because croc tail length is stupidly variable intraspecifically

[wraith kindle]

You mean conspecifically?

[fluid inlet]

How accurate is this?

[opaque kayak]

I still feel that a rigorous skeletal is the way to go, and I will favor that method in a case of decently complete remains personally, just personally for distant species

[sullen cairn]

yeah i can understand hesitation with a single equation over a thorough skeletal reconstruction but i was somewhat suspect of deinosuchus exceeding the estimate of an otherwise well supported regression of taxa its bracketed within by like 50% the linear dimensions

[stiff osprey]

intraspecifically is a real word but i think intraspecific and conspecific mean the same thing

[sullen cairn]

especially given apparently a skeletal reconstruction scaled to the measurements does not in fact result in a 13m+ animal

[wraith kindle]

I feel that the tail is longer than neccesary?

[opaque kayak]

After seeing that skeletal vert Frank made I was convinced as well

[fluid inlet]

Yall do these measurements for work , study or for a hobby ? ( don’t mean to offend anyone) just curious.

[sullen cairn]

at least with anky there's apparently an explanation with faulty scalebars but between deino and the megaparas i'm kinda at a loss for how some of these were scaled

[opaque kayak]

Can I ask you how meta and lambo double checked Fadeno's methods?

[sullen cairn]

hobby i would be shocked and probably somewhat distraught if someone was getting paid for browsing measurements in literature

[stiff osprey]

i wish i could get paid for that

[opaque kayak]

IIRC 7 Shots is also a hobbiest who measured the snax material

[sullen cairn]

no clue
if i had a guess it probably presupposed amnh being giant or something like that though rather than scaled from scratch but i wouldn't know

[wraith kindle]

Snax?

[stiff osprey]

fadeno's skull size is actually pretty easy to replicate if you just scale AMNH 3073 by the width of the 5 preserved prenaxillary alveoli

although that wouldn't make it 13m it would just give it a stupidly huge head proportionally

[opaque kayak]

To my knowledge TMM is scalebar measured, so my question is how did he fit in that material if they were that off

[halcyon cobalt]

perhaps purusaurus is the T. Rex of crocodilians

[wraith kindle]

Alevoli makes me think of lungs.

[fluid inlet]

I mean stuff like this I find valuable, considering museums want as accurate as you can get skeletal replicas in their museums. It’s a shame no one is making a decent penny because the research is significant.

[shy fossil]

saurophaganax spinosaurid

[sullen cairn]

wait why in that one paper did they give tmm ratio's relative to other tmm did they use mandible fragment measurements instead of like anything actually useful

[stiff osprey]

Tbf people get paid to draw skeletal reconstructions but i imagine the value is more in the art than in just numbers

[opaque kayak]

The only measurement I know from TMM was a humerus piece of sm, which MIGHT be overlappable

[sullen cairn]

i suppose that would be somewhat better than 2.5 unspecified mandible measurements

[stiff osprey]

oh that's the femur

[sullen cairn]

well projected femur based off said 2.5 mandible measurements iirc

[stiff osprey]

TMM does have a femur it's just incomplete

which makes this measurement questionable as they don't list it as an estimate or anything

[opaque kayak]

Apparently AMU-CURS-541 has a near same vert size as CM963 so ig that makes sence why

[sullen cairn]

oh this is where deino being short-legged comes from
should we worried the big headed thing derives from the 14-43% larger than other thing mandible measurements

[wraith kindle]

So, deinosuchus had a lifestyle like a saltwater croc? Except more salt?

[sullen cairn]

although if theyre using this to conclude it was short legged 'd imagine the femur was estimated complete

[stiff osprey]

unfortunately we have an image of the femur in cosette 2018 and it isn't complete

unless someone ate the middle part of the femur in the intervening years

[wraith kindle]

Can’t a reasonable estimate be done?

[sullen cairn]

they do give a proximal end to 4th tronchanter measurement but idk how that aligns with the figured material

well ig if its just the middle missing that could still be consistent with it being 1/3rd gone

if you scale it with the other deino femur via proximal-4th trochanter you get a 63cm femur though

[wraith kindle]

Probably not impossible that deinosuchus has mixed traits, evolution is weird that way.

Just throwing that out there.

[sullen cairn]

unfortunately you can get it like the same size as the 53cm scaling with an alligator by the same measurement

[stiff osprey]

just found out hartman's deinosuchus from like 2012 based on vibes has the same head:body ratio as mine

[wraith kindle]

Is that the fallout guy? Or half life or something.

[sullen cairn]

with that in mind i really do wonder which of fadeno's giants will have the most staying power in the oblivious average paleo enthusiasts mind

[stiff osprey]

it is gabe but that's unrelated the default version of this meme just looked a little stereotypical

[wraith kindle]

I don’t mean the CEO of Steam, but anyways…..

[sullen cairn]

gabe from half life

[stiff osprey]

anyway i hope deinosuchus doesn't actually have a 53cm complete femur for the scientific peer reviewed reason that it would require me to redraw the cool silhouette i did

[opaque kayak]

I one day wish he rises up and makes a 10+ ton spino and mapu

[sullen cairn]

tbf that is the only actual measurement so it may as well be isolated right

[wraith kindle]

This looks like a 10+ ton spino, chonky as hell.

[shy fossil]

sauropod torvosaurus

[fluid inlet]

Spino still dominates

[opaque kayak]

Anyone have a spino 3D model?

[sullen cairn]

(galton & jensen, 1979)

[wraith kindle]

That posture isn’t correct though? Why is it doing the 19th century tail drag thing.

[opaque kayak]

It was apparently a position which allowed Spino to walk bipedal without falling over

[wraith kindle]

Those are spinosaur arms though.

[shy fossil]

torvo arms are long like that

[fluid inlet]

Chalk it up to the game, because you just got played.

I’m not a fan of that random dumb lines that pnso decides to add to most their dinosaurs , like in the picture here with baryonyx.

[frigid delta]

so... remastered this when?

[opaque kayak]

I kinda wish this uses Dan's scotty and spino, since they are from the same artist

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-do-it-for-you-gif-27412761

[fluid inlet]

What’s up with Rex legs bud?

[somber gale]

I NEED these

(Sorry for the ping)

[opaque kayak]

Do you want giga in a neutral pose or a dan pose

[fluid inlet]

Can you add perucetus?

[opaque kayak]

If you let me add nuclear bomb, yes

[frigid delta]

Dan Folkes 2025 one (the new skeletal)
srry for the late reply i was playing Doom lol

[opaque kayak]

New perucetus paper dropped

[fluid inlet]

The original Great War

[opaque kayak]

It got to like 35-40 tons

[fluid inlet]

?????

[opaque kayak]

Apparently links are not allowed

[fluid inlet]

DM it

[opaque kayak]

Let me send it via screenshot

[sullen cairn]

interestingly while the tmm femur is proportioned exactly how you'd expect for an alligatorid femur based on the proximal-trochanter length / (presumed complete) femur length the smaller ua specimen they mention has by far the largest residual here

[frigid delta]

omg Table hi have u ever make a Para Walkeri Gorgo Dasp Torosus (?) size comp?

[stiff osprey]

how do you make these regressions so fast

[fluid inlet]

I paid him

[sullen cairn]

actually my fingers really hurt because i had to manually type two separate measurements for 100 alligator femurs in a google sheet

[stiff osprey]

amazing

[sullen cairn]

i tried just doing it all in the space bar and just copy paste to save time but i missed a couple so that was for naught

[opaque kayak]

I think that there is a way to copy past the whole thing in excel

[sudden wind]

Lmfao I feel that on excel 🥀

[sullen cairn]

if there is i'd have to save the file in some other format because the pdf in the supp doesn't really lend itself to being copy pasted
although if there is a way to do that that'd be lovely and my fingers would greatly appreciate it

[sullen cairn]

do you want normal walkeri or dinosaur park cf parasaurolophus postcrania with funky proportions and a giant radius

[opaque kayak]

Put the pdf in google docs. It turns it into text

[frigid delta]

2025 up-to-date accurate Walkeri

[sullen cairn]

well that makes things much easier
evidence i'm a masochist?

[sudden wind]

Honestly Google doc scks imo

[sullen cairn]

i dont think the cf. para assignment's ever been rebuked so i'll just include em both

[frigid delta]

wait am i right abt Para's Dasp is Torosus or i'm mischaracterized the Dasp species?

[stiff osprey]

if the tmm skull is indeed 25% larger than the other tmm skull while only having a 53 cm femur that is indeed very small
wonder if that means d.hatcheri had tiny legs or just that my cross scaling of the various specimens is wrong

[sullen cairn]

walkeri lived with daspletosaurus sp. because despite being talked about for like 20 years and they're still indeterminate species

[fluid inlet]

Plz someone tell me is there any new information on siats

[opaque kayak]

I wonder how it looks like visually, and if it even seems plausible

[frigid delta]

unidentified spesies moment?
jk feel free to put the three Dasp species :v

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/tm9380/status/1777660898338808247?s=46

Taylor McCoy 🦖 (@TM9380) on X

Siats is a giant theropod of quite a lot of mystery. It’s classification varies from an allosauroid(reconstructed as such here) or a megaraptoran(and who knows where they fall). Either way, certainly an imposing size based on the known fossils…

X · Apr 9, 2024, 11:32 AM

[sullen cairn]

of course there's also the possibility averaging out three partial mandible measurements with a 25% linear discrepancy doesn't accurately reflect skull length but at the same time i'd hope tmm's other scalebars aren't that bad

[stiff osprey]

well if the authors are to be believed that the smaller tmm is similar in size to the holotype then i'm inclined to think the 14% lower end is more accurate

[sullen cairn]

amnh does have a scapula which could help but idk if crocidilians have consistent scapula proportions

[stiff osprey]

yeah but i don't think any of the others have a scapula to cross scale with

[sullen cairn]

pitiful animal

[sullen cairn]

although maybe we can pretend that the other deinosuchus femur being a weird outlier means something so we can continue ignoring the 53cm estimate

[frigid delta]

i'm srry but hearing scapula got me thinkin abt spatula
are they happens to be cousins? ||/j||

[sullen cairn]

if you squint they're kinda the same shape

pretend that the torosus has a not torosus skull here and its essentially dp das

[frigid delta]

ty table

[opaque kayak]

Yo bro finally done

Spinosaurus, Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus by Dan Folkes

[mellow prism]

its carch

[fossil ingot]

Is that Dan's Spino?

[opaque kayak]

Yup, and Dan's scotty. I felt it was better to have one artist have all the skeletals

[opaque kayak]

Oh, shoot, right, Spino might be a bt longer iirc since it has a couple more caudals

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[opaque kayak]

The weirdest of them all

[snow python]

Is this accurate i wanna buy it

[frigid delta]

yo @fossil ingot does this still holds Giga size being 12.7-13.5 meters long & 8.8-10.2 tons or is it just got updated?

[mellow prism]

wasnt holotype 8.4t?

[fossil ingot]

Based on what Random's Told me? Length is now 12.74m for the Holotype, Weight of Holotype was 8.47-8.8t depending the version of Dan's Used 8.47t with the updated smaller sacrals and 8.8t with bigger sacrals
this one has apparently a less robist Torso, but Bigger Head and Taller Sacrals
Likely is around 8.7-8.8t again?
Dentary idk, that mf might not be as Large anymore

[torpid zephyr]

Messed up thinking about how Peru still doesn’t have a non avian dinosaur discovered in big 2025 💔
My heart can’t take this any longer

[frigid delta]

so 12.74-13.5m?

[fossil ingot]

Possibly???
Dentary is a mess

[frigid delta]

and so is my heart to Giga 😭💔

[mellow prism]

dentary is dentary, shouldnt be scaled

[frigid delta]

thx for the info, Paleo𝓕𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂

[mellow prism]

np gorila

[opaque kayak]

But is a footprint really better?

[torpid zephyr]

So in the grand scheme of things did giga just hit the ozempic?

[frigid delta]

Bahariya Formation Hater when Kem Kem Bed Liker walks in:

[mellow prism]

the size of the dentary varies among individuals and larger dentary alone do not mean a larger individual, the footprint and consequently the foot is composed of a set of bones, phalanges and metatarsals. This foot measures 88cm, which is longer than any other theropod, including Tyrannosaurus (72cm).
Megaraptorans had large feet, so we get 11.5m which is an enormous size, especially in this group

I'm giving up on exact scaling at the moment, it would be useful to have some pes material from derived megaraptorids, but I don't see an option where it's not a large theropod

[stable sun]

I do, it also could be a large sauropod

[mellow prism]

stop spreading this nonsense or they will believe it, be stupid alone

[stable sun]

Shut up

[torpid zephyr]

Damn

[frigid delta]

lmfao

[stable sun]

a paper said the giant track belongs to a sauropod

[mellow prism]

this is absurd, it was originally described as a theropod because that's what it is - it's tridactyl.
I thought I had dispelled doubts when I showed that from the same formation we know more tracks with the same morphology that are clearly theropod

[mellow prism]

even if, there is a second, clearly theropod track that is 80cm long and then gives 10.4m in Australovenator proportions (and it is not said that forms living 30 million years later had equally proportionally large feet)

but both tracks are clearly theropod and clearly the same taxon

[compact leaf]

ok arguing over whether it’s a theropod is one thing but unless it’s literally in sequence you can’t reasonably say they’re the same taxon, we’re dealing with a thing that’s notorious for deformation

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[torpid zephyr]

Any updates on Sereno’s spino

[opaque kayak]

You mean the huge Sereno 10-12 ton mention?

[mellow prism]

they show equally long digits, creating an asymmetrical form with matatarsus II the shortest. taking into account their similar size and differences from abelisaurids, and the fact that we know more tracks with the same morphology from the same formation, I think it is reasonable to consider them the same taxon

[torpid zephyr]

Is that the one with the crazy crest that’s he’s been teasing?

[opaque kayak]

Ohhh, that is scimitar spinosaurus, it's not out yet

[torpid zephyr]

Damn really excited about that, feels like it’s been forever. My endgame fr fr

[opaque kayak]

My goat, iirc it seems pretty frag, but is smaller and later

[stable sun]

It is said to be due to erosion etc. It is not actually tridactyl

The existence of other tracks shows that there was a large Megaraptoran from there, but it doesn't show the other track is the same taxon.

[torpid zephyr]

Thoughts on it being a baby or do we have a dwarf on our hands?

[opaque kayak]

It's def not a baby Spino proper, since it's crest doesn't match

[mellow prism]

the mere attempt to explain this shape by erosion etc. is far-fetched.
based on photos before cleaning the print
and since you yourself admit that there is a track of large megaraptoran, what is more reasonable - to assume that the second one is also one, or to suggest that the sauropod track was accidentally distorted to perfectly imitate the morphology of this second, theropod track?

[snow python]

Which one looks better?

[open compass]

All but this looks weird

[torpid zephyr]

I was thinking it’s a new something , I’m just wondering its age relative to its size, something about that crest being so developed is throwing me off the idea of it being a younger specimen.

[mellow prism]

stop trolling, I know you are not that stupid (I hope)

[stable sun]

@mellow prism

[opaque kayak]

It's very weird, and clearly different, even in skull shape. Also, visually it doesn't quite look like a even younger version maybe except for the big eyes

[mellow prism]

@stable sun

[torpid zephyr]

Such an odd little guy can’t wait to learn more about it, thank you for the information friend

[steady rock]

Besides shuno and mammenchi, anyother sauropods with club tails?

[steady rock]

How accurate is the new cerato tlc?

[mellow prism]

what kind of perspective is this anyway?
Besides, it's not something I'm postulating. The entire track is not a "pure foot", there is a heel and a metatarsus imprint, I took all this into account from the beginning, that's why the acropodium is 88cm and not 114cm
I take into account that you may be trolling (or at least I hope so, but I'm explaining it for others)

[torpid zephyr]

Cope and marsh in the chat rn

[mellow prism]

yes, I know it, it is not known what cast it is, and at least one of the authors still thinks that it is undoubtedly a theropod.

I also think it's clearly a theropod, but we can refer to another fact.

both tracks are asymmetrical, with long slender digits where IV is longer than II. in both, metatarsal II is the shortest, and IV is equal to III, they are of similar size and the authenticity of this morphology is supported by other tracks from this formation

Taking this into account, I think it's much more likely that it's a theropod

I find it highly unlikely that the sauropod track was coincidentally distorted in such a way that it perfectly imitates the morphology of an authentic theropod from the same formation

[steady rock]

How accurate is the cerato tlc visually?

[tough parcel]

It’s the same model, only abilities were touched

[steady rock]

Oh.

[torpid zephyr]

Lowkey want more paleo art of dinosaurs with naturally occurring genetic abnormalities, a tyrannosaurs with polydactyl would be interesting non the less

[steady rock]

How true is this statement

[tough parcel]

False, that hasn't been seriously considered for years (if not actual decades)

[steady rock]

@faint mauve semi aquatic cerato has been debunked for decades by now

[fervent nimbus]

is female ankylosaurus bigger i was surprised to load up pk and see the female model bigger and i cant find anything online to back up that fact

[tough parcel]

Nothing for or against it

[fervent nimbus]

ah i see thank you🙏

[ionic crescent]

tbh, could fall under same genus being different species, just like Triceratops, Edmontosaurus or Pachycephalosaurus species in NAmerica, or the extremely well known Dimetrodon, with multiple species with different skull shapes, sail shapes and sizes

[snow python]

How big the biggest cerato?

[faint mauve]

why do i even trust wikipedia with anything anymore..... 😞

[fossil ingot]

7m long and 1 ton

[opaque kayak]

iirc this was also found in nigeria with a 3mya gap from spino proper

[tough parcel]

However, this theory was challenged by Yun in 2019, suggesting Ceratosaurus was merely more capable of hunting aquatic prey than other theropods of the Morrison Formation as opposed to being fully semiaquatic
Pulled directly from Wiki

[faint mauve]

still more adapt to hunt aquatic, i read that

[tough parcel]

"More capable" =/= semi-aquatic

I'm more capable of climbing a tree than a polar bear, but that doesn't mean I'm arboreal

[steady rock]

I remember the old theory dilo hunted fish due to its weak jaws, I think it's been disproven ( hopefully )

[faint mauve]

but it would mean his water speed should be still higher than most other dinos in PoT
which he isnt

[tough parcel]

Considering the tail also doesn't really stay deep all the way to the end, I have to wonder if it's genuinely associated with water to such a degree or if it just had fat muscles there + wetlands being the perfect palce to preserve an animal

[faint mauve]

i have no clue about paleontology
but logically, when i hear strong tail and lives near water, it sounds like he would slap the water surface hard and stun the fishys

some dolphins, whales and crocs do that

[torpid zephyr]

What are Carnotaurus horns supposed to look like felt like I’ve seen so many different version

[tough parcel]

I've only heard of thresher sharks doing that to any significant degree otherwise it's done to bash already slow-moving prey (orcas/seals)

[wraith kindle]

Semiaquatic cerato, what?

[wraith kindle]

Pfff, Cope and Marsh would get timed out and muted quick, their rivalry is legend.

[winter marsh]

spinofaarus

[scenic flame]

old theory that's been widely discredited/unfavoured since it cherry picks certain features in favour of ignoring the ones that would disprove it

[fossil ingot]

We need a Proper GDI/Volumetric Analysis for this thing smh

[fluid inlet]

Sup fellas

[hallow spear]

there will be one

[fossil ingot]

Peak

[astral spindle]

Wait Gigs got buffed?

[ionic crescent]

Me when people don't read references attached to Wikipedia and still complain wikipedia lies (there's still some unfinished pages tho, but even then those pages get moderated, specially scientific use ones)

[hallow spear]

No, I reckon it will be lower than that for the holotype

[astral spindle]

Lower than 8.4 tonnes!?

[opaque kayak]

IIRC holotype was 8.8 tons min?

[astral spindle]

I had heard that Dan Folkes downsized the 8.8 tonnes to 8.4 tonnes

[opaque kayak]

The weight is from the most second recent skeletal, not the most recent one below

[astral spindle]

So how big u reckon it would be?

[opaque kayak]

I personally have no idea, it might be slightly lighter then the old skeletal

[fluid inlet]

Doubt

From paleontologists Darius

[hallow spear]

I bet between 8.2-8.6t nothing higher for the holotype

[mellow prism]

it was long time ago

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/darius_nau/status/1817889492478423119?s=46

Darius Nau (@darius_nau) on X

Speaking of this, Giganotosaurus remains on average larger than T. rex, even though T. rex may have the largest specimens (esp. by femur circumference) due to the larger sample.

X · Jul 29, 2024, 11:46 AM

[ancient crystal]

Not really fair to do an average based on two specimens, one of which is literally just a chin

[tough parcel]

Something something the average is more likely to fossilize than the extremes

[honest cobalt]

Anyone got tyrannotitan measurements? Especially compared to other gigasaurines

[scenic flame]

doesn't use the new giga skeletal or tameryraptor

Giga and tauro by Dan Folkes, Meraxes by Sergi, Carch, TTT, Mapu edit and Sauron by Randomdinos, Acro by Franoys, Woman by VCube

[velvet burrow]

"On average" and it's just the poorly described holotype and an isolated chin

[sullen cairn]

imo constraining a rex average is honestly way more obnoxious than giga because there's so many more variable to account for with the former

like depending on how you constrain an adult rex an average could be anywhere from like 6t to sue-sized

[tough parcel]

Sue and Scotty are the only adults to ever exist

[fluid inlet]

You want to kick this up to Darius ?

[tough parcel]

There's nothing to kick up, that's literally all you have 💀

[velvet burrow]

Tell Darius Nau that he should've materialized out of thin air at least other 5 Giganotosaurus specimens smh /j

[sullen cairn]

sue scotty cope(?) and trix are indeed the only confirmed measured skeletally mature rexes
this information is not taken out of context whatsoever

[fluid inlet]

I’ll be inviting Darius to the server

[stiff osprey]

i think any biologist worth their degree would agree that an average species estimate based on 1 skeleton and a partial dentary doesn't mean much

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/darius_nau/status/1817901640608878776?s=46

Darius Nau (@darius_nau) on X

In other words, assuming Giganotosaurus is actually the ~0.3 standard deviations larger that simple comparison of means suggests, the probability of there being a statistically significant effect with a sample of only 2 is just 8%.

X · Jul 29, 2024, 12:35 PM

[stiff osprey]

there we go

[sullen cairn]

like i broadly agree that we can't say rex was outright larger than giga on average but i inversely also question any conclusion that giga is likely larger than rex (especially when even his average rex circumference is identical in size to the only giga preserving postcrania)

[astral spindle]

Didnt Titan get nerfed to 6.7 tonnes?

[stable sun]

What server is this from?

[tough parcel]

Vividen

[outer tusk]

ew vividen more like MID!!!

[fluid inlet]

He’s not a bad guy, just likes to discuss very fragmentary things. 😅🤣

[outer tusk]

he's not a bad guy but sometimes a few fans make me yuck

[stable sun]

Skeletals by Gunnar Bivens and Henrique Paes

[steady rock]

what creatures are those, that theropod looks absolutely giant....like, a little too large

[stable sun]

Maraapunisaurus and Epanterias

[fluid inlet]

Where’s the rest of the skeleton

[opaque kayak]

I think you ought to tell it to them fir them to fix it

[outer tusk]

I already have talked to him about in the past am not gonna repeat myself cause I feel a gave a very valid response to him

[opaque kayak]

That being said I find it goofy seeing people take private ahh measurements and scans then use them to make estimates, and then promptly declaring it gospel

[fluid inlet]

The whole thing with 7shots… whatever happened there.

[stable sun]

i mean be happy the part that is shown doesn't even exist anymore

[opaque kayak]

Yes, and they also don’t let yiu bring it up anymore there, despite having themselves shared the estimates a million times before

[fluid inlet]

Didn’t you get banned ? Or was it someone else for teasing 7shots about Saurophaganax lol

[stable sun]

it's 11.8 m long, it's not that incredibly large

[opaque kayak]

I almost did because I had brough why the measurements were wrong, or maybe just different standards. Just bringing it up is problematic there

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I don’t like stuff like that, everyone should be able to discuss their point of view without getting kicked. That’s why I like path of titans paleontology group. We can disagree but at least none of us are getting kicked out from path even if it’s gets chippy.

[opaque kayak]

It’s a fundamental problem to make a estimate on gatekeeped or unreleased data then to make it gospel, and even more when I have tried to tell them problems, and only got ignored or almost banned just for mentioning it in retrospect after the estimate turned out wrong

[tough parcel]

I will now personally contact John Alderon to remove you from Path of Titans for disagreeing with me...

[fluid inlet]

I’m not sure about vividen but 7shots clearly had/has a bias towards Saurophaganax and to a fault.

[outer tusk]

I do agree

[sudden wind]

Giganotosaurus is larger on average
the humble sample size bias :

[opaque kayak]

Me when effectively one (or two) samples

[frigid delta]

which one is the best for rip & tearring of all that carcharodontosaurs?

[fluid inlet]

Giga mugs the blind and slow scavenger Rex

[scenic flame]

yeah, I think imo the biggest issue with arguments about average specimens being statistically the most likely to be found, ignores the fact that with a small sample size, you can't know that and that we've found plenty of very not average fossils suggesting to me that the statistics aren't that crazy in favour of average specimens.

aswell as the fact in my personal opinion, in life average specimens may simply behaviourally or habitually be in areas or situations that make them less likely to fossilize

[ancient crystal]

Hardly two lets be real, as I said one of the specimens is literally just a chin

[scenic flame]

which is to say giga with it's single good specimen cannot be judged to be bigger or smaller than rex on average, thus you can only speak about largest found individuals, or make averages that acknowledge the issues with such low sample numbers for everything except rex

[fluid inlet]

What’s the latest on the tyrannosaurus specimen “cope”

[scenic flame]

pretty sure it's still a sucky specimen that gets overblown by awesome bros

[fluid inlet]

Sucks to hear

[opaque kayak]

TBF looking at it it does seem to be minimum sue size, and also not that bad in completion

[wraith kindle]

There'd better be a Tyrannosaurus specimen named Marsh. Unless it's not that cope.

[stable sun]

There isn't a Tyrannosaurus specimen named Marsh and it is that Cope

[errant juniper]

how did dinosaurs actually sound? i hear many diffrent versions of grunts and bird noises somtimes straight up roars.

[vernal fable]

I've liked the idea certain ones make low rumbles to a certain frequency that's sometimes hard to detect

[fossil ingot]

Was downsized to 8.47t

[opaque kayak]

Funny how Giga is almost a ton heavier then Spino in volume, yet ends up about the same weight

[wraith kindle]

We'll never know precisely how they sound because we don't have the soft tissue of the relevant areas and most likely never will since you need the right conditions to preserve soft tissues.

Finding an ankylosaur/nodosaur with a fossilized larynx was an extremely rare and lucky find, even skin impressions are more common.

The best we can do is make some educated guesses as to how they might have sounded.

[errant juniper]

ah alrighty

[fossil ingot]

Yes

[errant juniper]

ive been hearing rumors that meg is 80 feet long they sound really bs is that true?

[wraith kindle]

Talking about the shark?

[fluid inlet]

Megalania

[wraith kindle]

Definetly bs.

[fluid inlet]

he meant megalodon

[torpid zephyr]

Megalosaurus just got the biggest buff

[wraith kindle]

Then why did you say megalania? -_-

[cunning ruin]

Hi i had question about t rex. I saw vidéo of goji center t rex vs Spinosaurus. They talked about t rex ilia making him more agile making t rex turn faster on itzelf

I did some reseach on internet but its not sourced most of the time its daily news. I wanted know more about it this t rex ilia thing i want make feedback for the game?

[torpid zephyr]

They seem pretty straight to me, I feel like I always see them a bit curved

[fluid inlet]

source?

[tough parcel]

You're looking for "The Fast and the Frugal" tyrannosaur paper which should be open access

[fossil ingot]

?

[torpid zephyr]

Guys I was referencing this

[sudden wind]

New Dan Giganotosaurus skeletal jump-scare (updates modified the head shape, the cervical and neural spine accounting for Taurovenator and new measurements + photos that aren't sharable).

[wraith kindle]

Actually, I was thinking meters, not feet, lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalodon

There's one estimate from decades ago that was 80 something feet, but estimates are all over the place.

[sudden wind]

Funnily enough, TTT vertebrae seem to preserve a hump in the middle of its torso.

[fluid inlet]

how u going to rick roll mr rick roll

[errant juniper]

someone just said "dinosaurs can be gay" 🙏 i dont think thats true- as animals in general only partner up to mate in general

[torpid zephyr]

There are already gay dinosaurs like that penguin couple

[stable sun]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

[errant juniper]

WHAT-

[wraith kindle]

^In general*, yes, but theres always those exceptions, nature likes to flaunt those contradictions to human morality whenever we try to apply it to nature.

Why didnt it italicize, weird.

[errant juniper]

well i learned somthing new.

[stable sun]

It's known in over a thousand species

[wraith kindle]

Including… drumroll humans.

Moralize all you want, nature does mot and will mot conform to human morality, whether one group or another.

We’d better get off this topic though before the mods find this.

[wraith kindle]

What about his question? Kind of got glossed over.

Actually mvm.

[fluid inlet]

some dinos gay some aint dont judge

[marsh tapir]

It was a valid question, not used to abuse or bypass server rules in any way, that generated a paleo related discussion. This would be fine, as long as the topic is approached carefully and respectfully, that we stay on the topic outlined by the channel guidelines (refer to pinned messages) and within the boundaries of the server #rules.

[fossil ingot]

Updated Carcha Jumpscare

[wraith kindle]

Ok, just thought you guys would put the hammer to it.

[steady rock]

well yes, they can be, we have examples of peguins and other birds having homorelationships

[stable sun]

TTT is a better base for Carcha

[fossil ingot]

Tmk Giga is

Thats Why KM Updated it

[stable sun]

No, Giga is more derived while Carcharodontosaurus and Tyrannotitan are more basal

[sudden wind]

There is a ton of recorded homosexuality behaviors among land vertebrates.

Though gay is a social construct so yeah dinosaurs wouldn't be gay as like a person is.

[sudden wind]

A taxon cannot be more "derived" and the other more "basal" though. It's always just a matter of perspective, who you wanna take a look at and therefor how you set up the matrix. That'd be like saying goblin sharks are more basal than great white sharks, which has no evolutionary logic.

Doesn't eve work for TTT as it falls within Giganotosaurini with Giganotosaurus. It's just that Giga shares more synapomorphies with other taxon than TTT and so has closer phylogenetic relationships with other taxa.

TLDR : basal and derived are terms used when you're talking about biological states of characters and not biological entities.

[scenic flame]

just don't look up elephants and penguins specifically, they do some unsavoury things, unlike swans, in which gay parents have what I've heard is an 80% higher success rate in raising young (one will mate with a female, then both males will drive the female off when the eggs are layed)

I don't have a source on hand though

[fluid inlet]

Question

[stable sun]

Sure, but the point is that Giganotosaurus is more deeply nested within Giganotosaurini (clades together with Mapusaurus, Meraxes and Taurovenator) than Tyrannotitan, while Carcharodontosaurus is outside that clade and is sister to it.

[outer tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-quasimodo-hunchback-smile-gif-5892631

[keen forum]

You would use either TTT or giga for carch and with whats going on currently with TTT and the unknown factor with its back and shape of it, its better to use giga until either more marital is looked over or there's a redescription but atm there is no issue with using giga as the base for carch

heck random himself said giga would be okay to use as well

if dan's new giga uses more updated material/better measurements on giga theres now less of a reason to use TTT while we have a better base to use for carch ( even more so with titan having some funkiness going on with its back )

[manic grail]

Still i think ark has the most accurate giga and carch

[topaz shell]

HUH

[warm saddle]

No

[fluid inlet]

Facts

You got a opinion on this @stiff osprey @zealous ravine @opaque kayak I’m about to crash out

https://x.com/dinoh555/status/1881877372951261439?s=46

Dactylioceras🇵🇸 (@Dinoh555) on X

Perucetus was not heavyweigth (+50 tonnes), dowsized to a length of 15 to 16 m and a mass of 35 to 40 tonnes
https://t.co/5DFpn5zPna

X · Jan 22, 2025, 1:31 AM

[zealous ravine]

looks right to me idk, not a mammal person lol

[warm saddle]

Damn what a nerf lol

[warped peak]

I mean it's around where pretty recent skeletals placed it"

Although I personally prefer this skeletal as it accounts for more of the overall shape and shows the bone layout to justify it

[fluid inlet]

I’ll see myself out

[fossil ingot]

Real

[tawny raft]

Is this sarcasm

[manic grail]

Definitely not

[restive crag]

It’s rage bait and some of yall fell for it😭

[astral spindle]

What happend? Any size changes?

[opaque kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/john-denver-wvu-west-virginia-mountaineers-country-roads-take-me-home-gif-10732976

[frigid delta]

oh she looks beautiful (the Carcha, my Carcha is female)

[fossil ingot]

Just new Carcha based on Giga
Size changes? Idk gotta ask KM

[opaque kayak]

Let me know if there is a new GDI king

New Deinosuchus dropped

[fossil ingot]

Big Gator thats 30cm longer than Puru

[craggy rampart]

hey does someone know when path of titans is releasing on pc

[fossil ingot]

This is....quite slim

[opaque kayak]

Is this a adjusted dorsal?

[steady rock]

Anyone got a skeletal of Kai and rhizodus?

[deep roost]

Are you talking about the conversation in the modding channel

[steady rock]

Yeah, I wanna try my hand at making a good size chart without prehistoric wildlife

[steady rock]

This is not accurate at all but oh well

[steady rock]

What's the more accurate metri, jw or PoT?

[sudden wind]

The head is so wide lol

[sudden wind]

Ironically, neither are accurate (following phylogenetic backtracking) but Jurassic World got it much better.

[steady rock]

May I ask what phylogenetic backtracking is?

[sudden wind]

Looking at close more complete relatives to fill the gaps.

Metri has quite poorly preserved material so post of it is based on Siamraptor and Yangchuanosaurus iirc.

[steady rock]

Ooh okay

[steady rock]

Is there any accuracy difference between jwe sucho and PoT sucho?

Mobi just ig repost what you said here?

[rancid dove]

https://depositsmag.com/2023/02/26/gigantic-rhizodonts-in-scotlands-lochs-the-one-that-got-away/

[native kindle]

What sources to do they show for a 7m long rhizodus?

[warped peak]

One would expect the first vertebrates to have reached such sizes to be the rhizodonts, which have often been reported as reaching lengths of 6–7 m [240], but this may not be the case. Jeffery [241] estimates Rhizodus hibberti to have measured approximately 5.63 m in length by scaling from a juvenile individual of Strepsodus anculonamensis [242]. Estimating the total length of R. hibberti from Goolongongia loomesi [243], which is larger than S. anculonamensis but more distantly related and is dorsoventrally flattened, unlike Carboniferous rhizodonts (J. Jeffery, pers. comm.) produces a length of 5.14 m.

[stable sun]

Sinraptor not Siamraptor

[rancid dove]

What I mean is that the species of animals varies according to their environment, you have species bigger than others

I see, so it was re-studied and now its size is 5 long?

[warped peak]

This is a small excerpt from the 2023 paper that shrunk Dunk, as it discusses a few other large fossil fish

Moreso it was never actually 7m long, and the size range given included the minimum and the maximum possible size estimates

[steady rock]

Did leed get mentioned in that paper?

[rancid dove]

alr, thank you for enlightening me on this subject

[warped peak]

No, although Titanichthys gets a passing comparison

[steady rock]

Oh yeah, is titanichtys the largest placoderm? ( that's that what dunk and it are, right? )

[stable sun]

It and Dunk are

[open compass]

What's max size of raja? (Length height and weight)
Could it be ~3t?

[stable sun]

About 7.7 m and 1300-1500 kg

[open compass]

I knew it, one guy is saying that raja could be 3t because of Ruben moline pérez and Asier larramendi et al's info from 2019

[tulip stream]

I will never forgive the metri backer for choosing metri over Austra

[jagged thistle]

this implies the existence of Coraptor and Tanraptor

[sudden wind]

Oops

[stable sun]

The supposed giant Rajasaurus ("Lametasaurus") isn't much larger than the normal 7 meter Rajasaurus holotype (on the left in the table) in any measumerents.
Source for this table:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/30849426_A_New_Abelisaurid_Dinosauria_Theropoda_from_the_Lameta_Formation_Cretaceous_Maastrichtian_of_India

What Molina-Perez and Larramendi did is that they took a 1 m ilium and upscaled Majungasaurus to it, not accounting for any other elements known from the specimen (e.g. a 58 cm tibia) or the allometric growth of ilium in Abelisaurids (for example the ~7.8 m Carnotaurus has a 97 cm ilium, comparable to that of the supposed giant Rajasaurus/"Lametasaurus")

[stable sun]

Btw who is saying that and where?

[steady rock]

He gonna get them 😭😭😭

[open compass]

Just a discord user, idk
Thanks for your info!

[stable sun]

in what server though?

No problem.

[bitter quest]

He just wants to talk to them

if you get the reference you're a person of culture

[steady rock]

Who's the more accurate iggy?

[brittle comet]

pot iggy

[warped peak]

By a lot

[steady rock]

May I ask for everything wrong with jwe iggy?

[warped peak]

The hands to start, all the soft tissue really

[steady rock]

It's neck looks Hella skinny

[winter marsh]

it has really long fingers

[manic grail]

So chat basically the theory is that stegosaurus was a fish eater and used its tail like a fishing rod and allosaurus was a fish eater too and it used its jaws and big arms for fishing. The reason the 2 fought is because they dont want to share the same rivers

[outer tusk]

☠️

[forest minnow]

Anyone got the most recent Tylo and mosa weight and length estimates

[fossil ingot]

Tylo is a Bit Longer and at like 9 tons

[manic grail]

I always thought mosa was bigger. Also do they same have the same tail or does the tylo have that eel tail or is the eel tail outdated?

[winter marsh]

eel tail is outdated

[manic grail]

Ok thanks

So tylo is the biggest mosasaur?

[fossil ingot]

Yes

[manic grail]

I see. But the tail on the skeleton looks just straight. How do we know it looks like a fin?

[stiff osprey]

the vertebrae in the middle of the tail are bent downwards, and we have soft tissue impressions of the fin

[polar scroll]

Damn,tylo beeg

[forest minnow]

Is that puru compared to Deino? If true does that mean puru is bigger?

[polar scroll]

judging by the posture,it´s most likely a speculative max size for deino

[fluid inlet]

Perucetus victim

[fossil ingot]

Thats Random's Puru which is also 10.7m like his Deino
This is Fabio's Puru that is 10.4m
Random's Puru Posture is also that due to Puru been able to Highwalk

That Deino there is the largest reliable specimen

[fluid inlet]

Tired of yall nerfing everything

[stable sun]

a Fadeno skeletal being nerfed isn't really surprising ngl

[tacit pine]

How much does deino weigh?

[stiff osprey]

somewhere between 6-8 tonnes

[fossil ingot]

Fun

[tacit pine]

Wow, so mosa and tylo both are bigger

[fossil ingot]

Gggrrrrr
This Means Puru is 6-8t cause I said so(Puru and Deino are basically same size range now lol)

[fluid inlet]

Dinosaur mafia , how accurate?

[tacit pine]

Mosa n tylo food 🥱

[wary heath]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-interview-hahaha-gif-14339177

[umbral kite]

the neck look the same

[warped peak]

Doing a WIP size comparison of various notably large aquatic reptiles

[umbral kite]

Y is he so skinny

[warped peak]

Slender marine predator

[wary heath]

He's on a cut.

[manic grail]

Because hes slender he was good at hugging. Thats why the name is machimosaurus hugii

[umbral kite]

he looks like i could use him like a sword

[manic grail]

Why are his arms so small

[umbral kite]

it probably in the water alot so it doesnt need it arm that much

[warped peak]

Do we have any mass estimates for Machimo?

[fluid inlet]

T. rex with the true kings of the Cretaceous period