paleontology

[outer tusk]

What is bro yapping about this time

[round hedge]

That not all spino fans glaze spino a lot, some spino fans actually believe in science and the fact that spino is not some end-all be-all, and that he's just a normal dino like the rest of 'em

[mellow prism]

and it doesn't change the fact that it's overhyped

[opaque kayak]

Me when extinct dinosaur perception will not be normal for most people (and frankly doesn't need to be)

[round hedge]

Those ride or die spino fanboys are the reason why spinosaurus gets called overrated all the time, and now a bunch of innocent fans get called out for "glazing", just because of a select group of people

I understand that it's overhyped, but isn't every popular dinosaur overhyped at this point ?

[scenic flame]

evidence... of.. Spinosaurini...??

[opaque kayak]

I honestly haven't even seen that much guys overglazing spino at this point

[fossil ingot]

I don't see Tarbo or Acro Cooking Spino tbh
Even TTT can be somewhat debatible

@scenic flame yeah, Ima Call it Spinosucho cause its supposely Spino with longer legs and some serrared teeth

[indigo cradle]

"waiting for the paper to release" so discussing unpublished data are we?

[opaque kayak]

Yessir

[round hedge]

Oh, then You haven't heard of an idiot called "Spinosaurus the king"

[opaque kayak]

No, I haven't, but there are bound to be children who glaze literally any popular animal

[fossil ingot]

Tbh, he argued for JP3/JWCC Spino
Which yeah I can get it, Spino size has always been inconsistant in that franchise

But then he disappeared

[scenic flame]

[round hedge]

And then came back again, sadly

[fossil ingot]

[indigo cradle]

Uh oh, incoming

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
Life founds a way I guess

[outer tusk]

The scaling seems about right?

[mellow prism]

I'm mainly talking about the hype, how mysterious it is and how it changes, that it's better not to reconstruct it blah blah blah
the truth is that we already have an idea of ​​the skull, torso, hindlimbs and tail - which is already more than most of the dinosaurs
I understand that taxonomic identification and formal issues are difficult, but even if not everything is Spinosaurus but its close relative, it doesn't change much, they looked similar. of course something may change, but it does not exceed the "mystery" of other dinosaurs.
this chapter of Spinosaurus is finished imo

[low raven]

I don’t see it being overhyped much when it comes to paleo accurate spino but for the Jurassic franchise it’s definitely hyped up but then again it’s sci-fi and people don’t like to admit Rex in the Jurassic franchise just isn’t what it should be so the Giga and spino are better but irl trex is king for a reason

[round hedge]

JP Rexy vs Scotty would be like putting an underfed emu against a full grown cassowary, Scotty stomps no diff

[low raven]

Definitely

[fossil ingot]

.....it doesn't

I would say "we can debate it"
But I promise myself not get back to JW Debate ever again
Wasn't healthy lol

Dark times I don't wanna remember

[stiff osprey]

I think JW dinosaur powerscaling is even dumber than average powerscaling, as their sizes and abilities are different every movie and in the promotional material too

Indominus is 12 meters or 14 meters or 15 meters or 16 meters, and weighs 6 tons or 7 tons or 10 tons or...

[fossil ingot]

Yeah, Average Inconsistant JW Moment
Then again, we have a 12.1m Female Allo at just 2.04 tons

[round hedge]

Max size is 15m but in the movie it wasn't fully grown, so it was abt the same size as Rexy

[stray saddle]

@fossil ingot @sonic wraith @sterile drift A little bit about Allosaurus true size.

Allosaurus anax OMNH 1371 is 4,7t by allometry, the circumference of the femur itself, using the same method is much heavier than Suchomimus. And by volumetric, it would be way more, is even stated in the paper, probably 5,5t and more. And that specimen is not even the biggest one referred to Allosaurus. You could at least read one sentence of a paper.

[mellow prism]

please let's not talk about jurassic park in the chat about paleontology

[round hedge]

Ok

[fossil ingot]

Really🤨
You do Know the Largest Anax was downsize to 4.9t
Ranging from 4.8-5.6t

[vapid lotus]

if it can change color why not size

[sonic wraith]

Indominus rex in the paleontology channel, amazing

[stiff osprey]

A.anax is ~4.8-5.6t, Suchomimus is ~5-5.4t, the allometry measurement for Suchomimus is so bad it's not worth discussing. Both are in a similar size range

[fossil ingot]

Random won the Race nooo
I was to slow

[mellow prism]

I still think that 1188 can be 18cm

[stray saddle]

You need to learn to differentiate between allometry and volumetric lol

[stiff osprey]

Femoral allometry tends to undersize theropods, but studying the various groups shows that it undersizes different theropods by different amounts. Spinosaurus's neotype for example is estimated at 600kg when in reality it's 3t

[fossil ingot]

My guy...

Random answered there for you

[mellow prism]

wouldnt be so eager to downsizing

[fossil ingot]

Let the 12.8m and 6.5t Anax be real trust

[stray saddle]

Thank you. Exactly

[stiff osprey]

even if it was 18cm, there is a ~10-11m Allosaurus specimen with 16.5 cm dorsal verts

[fossil ingot]

I saw a Sucho model ranging from 4.8-5.6t funny enough lol

[mellow prism]

this is somthing new

[stiff osprey]

it's undescribed but we have photos

[mellow prism]

depending on the measurement, the D13 Aerosteon is from 10.2 to 12.7 cm so it may be a case

[mellow prism]

what other material this specimen have?

[stiff osprey]

complete cervical and dorsal series + 2 sacrals

[mellow prism]

okay

[fossil ingot]

Behold the Fatty that can range from 4.8-5.6

[stiff osprey]

gonna try to find the photo

[stray saddle]

Same as Allo. So you are calling Allo fatty.

[fossil ingot]

Peak.
I mean its Allosaurus so ofc its peak

[round hedge]

Fax

[fossil ingot]

Anax is a Fatty yeah.
The other species not as Much but Anax it is

Behold the Weird Guy

[round hedge]

How many newtons of force could a swing from one of those arms pack ?

[round hedge]

Seeing spino so slender feels weird, especially after seeing how chonky sucho is

[stray saddle]

Welp, there are multiple individuals referred to Allosaurus sp. and fragilis, including former amplexus, so

[fossil ingot]

Ehhh...
Alot probably

[round hedge]

But If he were to weigh more than 8 tons max, he'd just collapse under his own weight

[fossil ingot]

He probably wouldn't
His Legs are quite strong
Random's Spino was GDI at 7.85 tons tmk and with the 3D Model was 8.15-8.30t

[outer tusk]

Randomdinos' better 👆 👆

[round hedge]

No, i was saying that If he were like 9 tons or something he'd be to o heavy

[fossil ingot]

You said 8...

[stiff osprey]

that is NOT better 😭

[fossil ingot]

Nu uh

[round hedge]

Not specified, like the 8-8,5/8,6 range, but it's on me for not specifying, sry dude

[mellow prism]

so now I can say goodbye to him with full responsibility.
now i thinl that actually it was to be expected, looking at the proportions of other giant theropods like Tyrannosaurus 18cm is not enough

[outer tusk]

oh yeah my apologie unc, never will happen again

[fossil ingot]

The same thing (real)

[outer tusk]

I like your older one though aesthetic wise

[stiff osprey]

found the pic of the Allosaurus specimen

[round hedge]

Yep, he do be a fatty one

[fossil ingot]

Peak

Pycno appreciation post

[mellow prism]

thanks

[round hedge]

So pycno never had horns, then why does a species of pycno have horns in game tho ?

[mellow prism]

we dont have skull

[stiff osprey]

it probably didn't have horns but given that pycno's skull wasn't found you can give it horns if you want

[round hedge]

@stiff osprey so this is just a speculation ?

[stiff osprey]

the head is yes

[fossil ingot]

Totally Reliable dinosaur

[mellow prism]

he should do a verison with 12m morrocan megalosaurid

[tough parcel]

Random, you need to tell them Pycno is more closely related to hornless abelisaurs than carno

[opaque kayak]

This bettah

[mellow prism]

ofc known from tracks

[fossil ingot]

The Peak Abelisaur

[round hedge]

Madagascar's killer saussage

[outer tusk]

The real peak abelisaur

[round hedge]

Ekrixinatosaurus ?

[fossil ingot]

Peak in two images

[stray saddle]

Nope. Never had

[wintry reef]

Facts

[mellow prism]

I wanted to scale them and I found something strange, that Eustrepto and Afro have long feet and gives 11-12m for moroccan megalo but Poekilopleuron have short feet and gives...

[outer tusk]

Turkana Grits Abelisaur

[round hedge]

Ik, just dk why they gave it a horn in game

[mellow prism]

I would stay at 11-12m

[fossil ingot]

Peak

[indigo cradle]

For carno fans

[wintry reef]

its like having mor than 1 dinos in 1, just like titannotitan having a subspecies called carolini(giga)

[opaque kayak]

What is this

[outer tusk]

Carcharodontosaurus & TTT

[open compass]

Did spino had huge crest like this?

[stable sun]

Cristatusaurus*

[stray saddle]

Probably because it seemed similar to Carnotaurus... and people would see the Pycno in game and be like "Oh look the one from Disney movie!!"

But its not

[fossil ingot]

Its a Posible new species

[round hedge]

And pachy hogwartsia (dracorex)

[wintry reef]

or tiranosaurus bataar(tarbosaurus

[round hedge]

Even tho dracorex is a juvenile

[stable sun]

Which

[outer tusk]

why would it be a new species if it's older than spinosaurus 😭

[stiff osprey]

given that every abelisaurid other than carno is hornless this is technically false

[stable sun]

Depends on species

[tough parcel]

The Majungasaur..

[outer tusk]

Technically speaking with being Pycno being closer related to carno would the horn idea not be super far idea

[open compass]

What about spino aegyptiacus?

[stiff osprey]

aegyptiacus probably did not have a huge crest

[fossil ingot]

This is a new lad
Seems to have proportionally longer legs, different skull, has the big crest, seems to have different teeth
Iirc Aegyptiacus does have a crest? Just not as Big
Idk

[mellow prism]

but they arent that close most probably

[outer tusk]

Guys, scimitar is obviously Oxalaia

[mellow prism]

rip

[open compass]

Thanks for answers guys, spino is weird

[opaque kayak]

Let's megalump Oxalaia with scimitar and sigil

[outer tusk]

Petition to name it

"Scimitarosuchus"

[round hedge]

Sounds perfect

[mellow prism]

love it

[opaque kayak]

Dat belly soft tissue

[primal ice]

Nobody say spinosaurus this is gotta be a curse

[round hedge]

Siats is underrated fr

[fossil ingot]

Big Conc....

[outer tusk]

just so you're not confused the gastrula doesn't match the belly because who cares if it does or doesn't

[mellow prism]

Chilantaisaurus - peak

[round hedge]

Thought chilantai was a megaraptorin

[mellow prism]

💀💀💀

[fossil ingot]

Smh Quality went brr
Ima find a better one

[mellow prism]

never

[round hedge]

Oh...

[fossil ingot]

[mellow prism]

good source lol

[mellow prism]

Its Shaochilong not Chilantai

[round hedge]

Bary and Iggy

[fossil ingot]

Aja, founded it

[fossil ingot]

[round hedge]

My bad, was it sucho ?

[primal ice]

Guys the more I see spinosaurids the more mest up it's will become this year what if it could fly this thing is cursed I'm telling you cursed

[fossil ingot]

Yeah that was Sucho, this is Bary

[round hedge]

Wonder how Bary looks like next to Iggy

[opaque kayak]

This is a interesting looking spino

[fossil ingot]

Probably quite small
That is the largest Iggy which is like 10.3m next to the Gigantic 12.14m Sucho

[round hedge]

Wait, sucho is 12+m now ? 💀

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
Dan's Sucho is 12.14m and 5.4 tons tmk
Iirc Hartman's Sucho is like 12m and 5.08t??

[opaque kayak]

Bajesus is Sucho huge

[fossil ingot]

This is Hartman's Sucho, tho Random fixed its tail and posture

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[round hedge]

...i can't come up with anything to express how happy i am that sucho is now no longer considered a medium-large theropod, and that it's clear that he was a large theropod

Wait, did sucho coexist with sarco ?

[opaque kayak]

What's this huge thing

[fossil ingot]

Yes

@opaque kayak Mapu, more specifically largest Mapu and some smaller and likely more average Mapu with Hartmans Sucho

[opaque kayak]

How big is the largest? abt 2 tons heavier then sucho?

[outer tusk]

yes

again the two smaller specimen are of immature invdiual from the classic bonebed

[fossil ingot]

Largest Mapu is 12.7m and 7.9 tons

[fossil ingot]

12.1 and 5.08t for Hartamns
Yeah I was basically spot on
W

[mellow prism]

this is peak.

[round hedge]

Despite spino being larger, stronger and being able to easily beat a sucho If they coexisted, suchomimus was still more adept for fighting because he coexisted with sarco and whenever he would go fishing, he'd probably meet the croc several times and have to fight with it, where as spino very rarely ever really needed to fight with carchar that much, If at all, thanks to nieche partitioning

[tough parcel]

This is a sauropod

[round hedge]

But flame me all You want

[fossil ingot]

....
Sucho was more Land Adapted then Spino, Spino would fill the rivers
Carcha the Land
Spino lived with a Big Crocodilomoph I think, just not built like Sarco.
Sucho is used to been the largest carni in its ecosystem
Its not in here tho

[mellow prism]

no it is not, it does not resemble a sauropod in any way and it has already been debunked, there is a second track

[round hedge]

Was stomatosuchus really that big ?

[stiff osprey]

Suchomimus probably did not fight Sarcosuchus often at all. Suchomimus is (unlike Spinosaurus) not adapted for an underwater lifestyle, while Sarcosuchus is not adapted to walk on land, so Suchomimus likely lived on land/shallower water while Sarcosuchus lived in deeper bodies

[tough parcel]

Can you show me proof

[potent marlin]

Marfim Formation carcharodontosaur It is under debate because it has fragmented fossils, and its size and weight are debated, and it is not 14.0 meters and 10,070 kg Mr. Johnraptor, there is no proof yet, but straight people say it reaches 16 tons, if you from the United States have the T rex with 12 tons debated, and why couldn't we Brazilians have a bigger theropod? This is fanaticism.

[round hedge]

It could have been a shore feeder, simmilar to a stork

[opaque kayak]

I mean, btf it's tooth was virtually useless other then filiter feeding

[tough parcel]

@stiff osprey it's your time to shine

Show the world your son

[stiff osprey]

His 'debunking' is that he asked one ichnologist and he thinks it's a theropod

[fossil ingot]

W

[stiff osprey]

But yes there are large theropod tracks from that region

[opaque kayak]

Better ask random not me, I didn't make that skeletal

[iron halo]

why are we making dinosaurs nationalistic

[tough parcel]

Also before you claim random is a rex fanatic or whatever, they are Brazilian too so cool your jets

[fossil ingot]

Peak Brazilian Carch

[mellow prism]

why you try to ironize it

[stiff osprey]

I've scaled them and they are 10m max

[tough parcel]

Friendly fire, friendly fire 😭😭

[mellow prism]

yeah they are not

10m is a absolute minimum

but like, still im right - large theropod

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Random measured them, pretty sure you haven't

[compact leaf]

I love scaling off an element that inherently has no remains and is prone to deformation

[mellow prism]

im wanna die lmaoo

[stiff osprey]

the real measurements of the footprint are 80cm for the acropodium, while the complete acropodium of a ~5.7m megaraptoran is 45cm

[fossil ingot]

Real

[mellow prism]

88cm for the larger one, and Australovenator acropodium is more like 42cm

[stiff osprey]

apologies, it's actually 48 cm

[mellow prism]

yeah 70cm, its an 5.5m animal

[umbral kite]

how thick is deino ostrimdorm

[fossil ingot]

They trynna be Old Maip smh

[stiff osprey]

No no I think the brazilian nationalism is fun

[mellow prism]

haha Maip compare to it is.. tiny

[potent marlin]

Size of crocodiles, and crocodylomorphs, where Purusaurus is among the largest( deinosuchus hatcheri It is debated, since it has few fossils, and could practically be from another animal, practically 14 meters and 13.5 tons is practically debated for this animal, not even the purusaurus would reach that, since the size of the purusaurus is 10.6 meters, and 6,200 kg, and not 8 to 10 tons.

[outer tusk]

purussaurus is about 5-8 tonnes similar to that of deinosuchus

[fossil ingot]

Old Maip was around 10m and like Random said
The thing is around 10m max

[potent marlin]

Purusaurus 4-6 tons

[stiff osprey]

if we're being generous the larger footprint that is allegedly from a sauropod would be more like 11m

[round hedge]

No way puru is lighter than deino If he is bigger than him

[fossil ingot]

Puru is 10 tons.
Source?
I said so

[steady rock]

i mean, you be can be big but light no?

[fossil ingot]

Puru and Deino at same lengths are like
Same weight tbf

[steady rock]

what was the largest prey item puru was snacking on compared to deino?

[stiff osprey]

Deinosuchus is most likely longer than Purussaurus, the largest vertebra of Deinosuchus is 15.5 cm vs 14.5 in puru, the largest skull is ~163 cm vs ~140 cm in puru, and I forgot the femur measurements but they are similar as well

What's important is that Deino is not 2-3x the mass of puru as some older scalings would suggest, the two are relatively similar in mass

[fossil ingot]

Then again, Puru is far from small lol

[round hedge]

But puru had a stronger bite, right ?

[mellow prism]

I have no words for you

[fossil ingot]

Puru skull is not as Long but I think is slightly Wider
Then again, Both guys can eat me whole lol

[opaque kayak]

what abt the colossal CM or TMM specimens

[sudden wind]

Omg giant Concavenator

[potent marlin]

"Deinosuchus is probably longer than Purussaurus, the largest vertebra in Deinosuchus is 15.5 cm vs 14.5 in Puru, the largest skull is ~163 cm vs ~140 cm in Puru, and I forget the femur measurements, but they are similar as well. The important thing is that Deino is not 2-3x the mass of Puru as some older scales suggest, the two are relatively similar in mass " debated

[stiff osprey]

not actually colossal, the largest TMM skull is 1.5m and the largest CM vertebra is 15.5 cm

sorry wrong message, chat moved while i was clicking the reply button

[sudden wind]

As if they could know it's a giant Carch

Do we even know if it's a giant theropod actually ?

[potent marlin]

"Then again, Puru is far from small lol" Deinosuchus hatcheri is debated, 13.5 tons is already an exaggeration, at most 7 tons

[stiff osprey]

Most likely theropod, which group is uncertain but it would be massively larger if it belonged to a megaraptoran or abelisaur

[fossil ingot]

Puru food

[opaque kayak]

Huh, so I guess the massive 2+ meters of fadeno might be mistaken?

[stiff osprey]

as an abelisaur it would be 17+ meters and as a megaraptoran 18+, which is why we scale it as a carch.

[sudden wind]

Like the vertebrae are even diagnostic for Theropoda ?

[steady rock]

didnt stupendemys live with titanaboa?

damn that documentry lied to me

[round hedge]

Well, it's one of the few innacuracies that the titanoboa documentary has, it's still really accurate

[stiff osprey]

NHM-PV R.2129(b) shows slight platycoelous intercentral articulations and, although the centrum is crushed, it is more developed transversely than dorsoventrally (Figure 17E,F). Hourglass-shaped centrum is synapomorphic to allosauroids (Carrano et al. 2012; Bandeira et al. 2021) and some basal coelurosaurs, especially megaraptorans ([citations]). The shape of the centrum is remarkable in both groups, however, NHM-PV R.2129(b) lacks diagnostic features to refer either to Carcharodontosauridae or Megaraptora. However, the centrum lacks the pneumatization associated typical of the latter, suggesting a carcharodontosaurian affinity.

[velvet burrow]

Unknown because there isn't a skull
If it did had head ornamentation it definitely wasn't a 1 on 1 copy of a not so close relative
Devs just wanted Carnotaurus but not call it Carnotaurus

[stiff osprey]

Titanoboa lived with Carbonemys, which is also a giant turtle and probably what you confused for Stupendemys

[steady rock]

oooh yeah probably, are they closely related too?

[round hedge]

If I'm not mistaken, deinosuchus lived alongside Albertosaurus and also teratophoneus

[wintry reef]

how big is the new biggest snake compared to titanoboa (it has a really weird name)

[steady rock]

didnt teratophoneus live on like, dont tell me, albania? the other island of north america

[round hedge]

Well If deinosuchus didn't live alongside teratophoneus, then it still lived alongside Albertosaurus

[wintry reef]

Greenland u mean?

[steady rock]

???

[stiff osprey]

Vasuki indicus was estimated to be longer (11-15 m compared to 13-14 m for Titanoboa) but likely weighed less as Titanoboa is extremely wide

[stable sun]

probably not

[steady rock]

like, isnt there two islands in cretascous north america, one we dont have alot of fossils from compared to the other??

[fossil ingot]

Big head

[stable sun]

This is literally before Megaraptora was named 😭

[fossil ingot]

How Heavy is Titanoboa?

[fossil ingot]

The Goat Caiman

[outer tusk]

1.25 tonnes

[steady rock]

I WASNT INSANE IT WAS APPALACHIA

[fossil ingot]

Wut?
THAT heavy?
Random is this true?

[outer tusk]

Keep the spikes?

[sudden wind]

Free card for the spikes. If the dewlap you did is something akin to Anolidaes then you should reconsider it because there are associated bones there.

[outer tusk]

With skeletal reference

[sudden wind]

Side note : anoles are such cool lizards.

[outer tusk]

So should I extend the dewlap?

[round hedge]

If there's no evidence that they weren't there, then a bit of speculation isn't THAT bad

[outer tusk]

What

[round hedge]

Just kidding, i actually don't think that they were there

[outer tusk]

I mean am not asking accuracy wise, I mean design wise since this is for my game

[round hedge]

Well If it's just a game then keep them

[polar scroll]

What´s this tho?

[round hedge]

A prosauropod or a sauropodomorph

[wintry reef]

whats the name of ur game?

[polar scroll]

oooo

[outer tusk]

Prosauropod are inside of sauropodmorph

[polar scroll]

does it have a name yet?

[round hedge]

Dang it

But what prosauropod is it ?

[outer tusk]

Lessemsauridae

• Antetonitrus ingenipes: BP/1/4562 ( Foreground )

• Ledumahadi mafube: BP/1/7120 ( Background )

[wintry reef]

primitives sauropods

ancesters basically

[round hedge]

Yeah, i know that

[round hedge]

What other dinos will You include in your game ?

[zealous ravine]

@fluid inlet HLG Brachi and Conca revealed, I’m loving both but especially the Conc, gonna get that ASAP

[outer tusk]

I've been setting it up for almost 6 months now so it's pretty deep in

[round hedge]

Conca looks so cute

[stiff osprey]

I wonder what brach's price is going to be compared to Alamo and Argent

[tulip gyro]

also smart, you're able to keep them without a terrarium too lol

[wintry reef]

spanish bias raahhh🇪🇦

[round hedge]

Hope it turns out well

(Also hope it will be on PS4 too)

[round hedge]

How big would a suchomimus be next to an acrocanthosaurus ?

[fossil ingot]

Longer, likely taller
Acro is heavier

[fossil ingot]

Why is bro neck like that
I know Sucho had a S shaped Neck
But like that?

[stiff osprey]

Sereno 2023 had it like that

And you can't tell me it's not aesthetic

[fossil ingot]

Cursed

[round hedge]

Acro wins mid diff

[stiff osprey]

I mean yeah, one is adapted to hunt sauropods and the other to hunt fishe

[outer tusk]

^

[fossil ingot]

Sucho wins arm strength fight

[lavish frigate]

Speaking of acro, I’ll be seeing the tracks of theirs down in Texas in a few months, I’ll also get to see those tracks goofy people were saying we’re human tracks 💀💀

[outer tusk]

arm strength, what are the youth coming out with these slang words nowadays 😭

[round hedge]

I mean, the only dinos who beat sucho in that are oxalaia, sigil (maybe) and spino

[fossil ingot]

[outer tusk]

oxalaia is a literally dust taxon ( WHY THE HELL DID YOU MENTION IT )

[fossil ingot]

Spino when no arms:

[fossil ingot]

Sigil too.
Rip

[fossil ingot]

Nu uh

[stiff osprey]

I heard the oxalaia holotype survived the fire
which would be ironic considering substantially better taxa did not

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[outer tusk]

💀 what

[round hedge]

God forbid you've Heard any brainrot terms 🙏💀

[outer tusk]

I know what the brainrot terms are

[round hedge]

OH GOD !

.......i am dissapointed in my generation........WHY WASN'T I BORN EARLIER !?

But hey, this is a paleontology channel, we should stick to paleontology related subjects

[warped peak]

Tbf, a Megaraptor might be up there as well
And Allosaurus anax

[round hedge]

How innacurate is the jwcc chaos theory Suchomimus ?

[round hedge]

Oh, and deinocherius and theri

[stiff osprey]

it's not bad, just has an overly wide skull and pronated hands

[outer tusk]

^ and it loses to the middest animal that ever exist on this planet

[round hedge]

Tbf, it was drastically upsized, irl sucho would almost one-tap majungasaurus

And it was also injured after fighting a hippo
(Wich irl it would slaughter with ease too)

[wary heath]

Is itchyotitan now officially the biggest itchthyosaur?

[round hedge]

And also got thrashed by a carnotaurus

[round hedge]

Depends on wether the aust collosus is an icthyotitan or not

[warped peak]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that

A large Hippo is absolutely hurting a Sucho

[round hedge]

But not enough to weaken it to the point of losing to a 23 foot long max, 1,5 ton max theropod that is under 8 feet tall

[warped peak]

Depends on the specimens in question

Hippos are hella strong

[open compass]

JP sucho is more accurate than this

[round hedge]

True, JW sucho might be one of If not the most accurate dino in the franchise

[warped peak]

Like honestly I'd argue the largest Hippo is very possibly killing the largest Sucho

[round hedge]

But here we are talking about the averrage Joe hippo, not a hippo that rivals the sucho in weight

@open compass wait, i remember i used to watch your edits XD

[stiff osprey]

Hippos have been recorded being preyed on by ~1 tonne nile crocodiles, I guarantee a 5 ton theropod is not losing to one (unless it has extreme bad luck)

[round hedge]

Nah, the creators just did sucho dirty, irl sucho would beat a carnotaurus like toro with Little difficulty, shred an avverage hippo, then slaughter a majungasaurus and come out half Hurt to death at Best

People don't realise how big sucho is compared to all of the 3 animals above

[fossil ingot]

And is to Chunk

[round hedge]

Sucho is also more agile, and in a battle, agilty matters more than speed

[open compass]

Well, I wouldn't say that a hippo would win because hippo doesn't have natural predators (which are bigger than it), I don't believe that a 4-ton hippopotamus can do anything to a sucho, hippo's jaws are made for duels against each other, it's not a good weapon against sucho and personally, I think hippo will run away if it meet sucho
https://youtu.be/T2l-XC6ZZAY?si=D95uHZGjOV8kkaYb

[fossil ingot]

Major (the Majunga)
Isn't THAT bad other then been huge

[warped peak]

I mean 2 foot long tusks to the chest is a pretty good defense, ignoring the sheer force behind that bite

[fossil ingot]

Hippo isn't even 4 tons either way.
Largest Species caps at 3.2t tons tmk

[warped peak]

Crocs are extremely powerful predators for their size. This isn't debatable, they're in the highest echelon for bite force to body mass, even moreso than the greatest mammalian bites, and their entire body is built to generate more power into that strike to make it more dangerous

Sucho is kinda the opposite. It's got a relatively weak bite force, with not a lot of overall leverage to put behind it

An average Hippo is getting massacred for sure, but a 3+ ton gorgops is in a lot better shape here

[fossil ingot]

CT Sucho is closer to Franoys in size btw
And even then it should be fine

[round hedge]

"Ur my friend now, we're having soft tacos later" aah looking size comparison 🙏💀

Sucho wins low diff

[stiff osprey]

I thought we were talking about extant hippos, yes, gorgops would have better chances

[open compass]

Sucho would just use his arms, a couple of punches to hippo's head/neck would kill it easily
(Suchos main weapon wasn't jaws)

[warped peak]

Tbh I'm not sure on any values from the show, from what someone was saying it sounded like Sucho was shrunk in there? So I don't think it's entirely unfair

[round hedge]

Nah, majunga and the hippo were oversized

[warped peak]

See that's a lot more fair then

[round hedge]

But If it were to be irl, sucho would win all 3 of the encounters from the show

(With toro, with the hippo and with the majungasaurus)

Toro is just the averrage carnotaurus, just that ingen one is too long

[fossil ingot]

The Hippo is roughly fine
Major/Majunga was oversized
And Sucho is undersized mostly

[round hedge]

Sucho size in the show was roughly the same as bary's

[warped peak]

Yeah Hippo isn't winning that, but Sucho isn't coming out unscathed either

[warped peak]

Wait so Sucho was against a near identical sized Abelisaur? That is not in its favor by any means

[round hedge]

And it was both injured and exhausted

[fossil ingot]

JW Bary is smaller than CT Sucho
Then again, JW Bary is like 9.7-10.3m
CT Sucho is like 11.5m at best
Given its around Franoys Sucho size or smaller

[round hedge]

Add a carnotaurus in the mix too pls

[warped peak]

Go off the scale in the show.

[round hedge]

I thought it was like 9 something meters, comparing it to irl Bary 💀

[fossil ingot]

But yeah, Sucho wasn't much larger than Major/Majunga

[round hedge]

Irl it's triple the weight If not a bit more

[fossil ingot]

Sucho is actually Smaller than JW Female Allos (idk why those girls are 12.1m long)

[round hedge]

Based on what was at the time Saurophaganax, and what is now Allosaurus Anax

[open compass]

Bad quality

[fossil ingot]

Then again, we don't have a weight for CT Sucho smh
If we follow JW Horrible Logic.
Its like...2 tons lol
Via Carno and Allo both been thay

[stiff osprey]

TFW you have to fight a cat but the cat is the size of a pitbull and you yourself randomly shrink to labrador size

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[round hedge]

Yeah, suchomimus surivives all 3 encounters irl, it just got done dirty in the show

[fossil ingot]

No
JW Allo is based on Fragilis or Jim tmk

[round hedge]

The one in BABR and JWD right....RIGHT ?

[fossil ingot]

Yes
The Female seen in BABR is the same as the one seen in CT

[stiff osprey]

After comparing it to the human, JWCC Sucho is 11.3 meters (an accurate size given the references they had), while the Majunga is 9 meters (~11% too long) and much too bulky

[round hedge]

Nah, the JWFK allo ia based on fragillis, the BABR one is too big for that

[fossil ingot]

My guy
JW Carno is around 10.3-10.7m😭
Don't use size as a reference

[round hedge]

And its legs are too long, it's the opposites of the JW carnotaurus

[candid magnet]

Hippo?

[fossil ingot]

The Spinosaurid Slayer

[open compass]

Yeah, modern hippo

[round hedge]

Funny how they made carno a saussage and majunga a short-tailed, long legged fast running abelisaur, when irl it was the opposite

[fossil ingot]

JW Carno is pretty tall
Big Carno's are basically same height as female Allo's despite been like 2m shorter
Female Allo's are mostly stated at 3.8m at the head

[candid magnet]

Is it just for size reference compare to the dino

[round hedge]

Talking about the JWD one, right ?

[open compass]

Yes (it's inaccurate)

[fossil ingot]

Arguably most
Since FK they are dtated at around 10.9m long

[candid magnet]

I likes the totally inaccurate Carno from Disney's dinosaur

[open compass]

How good this sucho is? (Accuracy)

[iron halo]

Crispy image quality

[round hedge]

ITS WRISTS AREN'T PRONATED

[fossil ingot]

Website Sucho my beloved

[round hedge]

@open compass i just watched your CT sucho edit earlier, one of the first yt results

[open compass]

This

[fossil ingot]

Website Bary my 2nd beloved

[round hedge]

Seems like they're not that innacurate huh, guess they were in the right mindset when designing the two

[tough parcel]

Probably because the guy drawing them is an actual paleo-artist + I believe he was never explicitly told these would be for the Jurassic World website

[round hedge]

Yet they somehow fit so well

[wary heath]

One thing I don't like about the jurassic franchise is how inconsistent the dinosaurs look like accuracy-wise

Some are passable and some are just horrible like giga

[outer tusk]

^

[round hedge]

Well they're made to be awesome-bro looking (for the most part, they cooked with sucho's design)

[candid magnet]

Jurassic park makes creatures thst look great as toys not accurate dinos

[outer tusk]

Giga was designed after the papo acrocanthosaurus

[open compass]

World*

[wary heath]

Pnso giga is amazing and they didn't even bother basing it off of that.

[round hedge]

After i see it, i can't unsee it 💀

[fossil ingot]

Early Giga wasn't even Ugly

[round hedge]

Besides the pronated wrists, it's not that innacurate

[candid magnet]

I stand corrected 🤣

[velvet burrow]

Wouldn't call it that inconsistent, there's a clear quality drop between JP and... JW

[round hedge]

They swapped it out bc they wanted a more baddas look for the "largest" carnivore the world has ever seen

[wary heath]

JP is justified since those were accurate for that time period in the 90's. JW has no excuse.

[candid magnet]

Also it's noted that they use other DNA to fill in gaps. That could have been a factor to looks. Maybe

[round hedge]

*ahem

It was after the dinosaur renaissance so the velociraptors (deinonychuses) should've had feathers

[wary heath]

The more I watch prehistoric planet, the more I dislike JW

[steady rock]

whats the most accuarate primevil design?

[velvet burrow]

That was bs
The DNA in JP movies (not books) was only there to explain why they could reproduce, at no moment it's stated that they suffered any other change due to it

[round hedge]

Most innacurate is kapro hands down, most accurate i actually don't know

[velvet burrow]

Actually a lot of the facts are dropped by Alan Grant before he sees them or even knows about the existence of the park

[steady rock]

what the hell

[wary heath]

That looks like a godzilla kaiju

[round hedge]

Told you, it's the most innacurate

[candid magnet]

Looks like a sci fi original

[round hedge]

I don't think any of the creatures can be classified as "most accurate of all in primeval"

[steady rock]

what about the Gorgonopsid?

[round hedge]

But this guy exists

(2nd most innacurate)

[round hedge]

Eh, besides being oversized, having too big fangs, too long legs, too long of a tail and too long of a neck, it's fine ig

[tough parcel]

Primeval actually slaps, y'all are just cringe

[steady rock]

maybe the columbian mammoth?

[round hedge]

We're not hating, i like it too, we're just seeing how accurate or innacurate their designs are

[tough parcel]

Primeval designs are what JW should've done honestly

[steady rock]

why was the future predator always loosing to prehestoric creatures, future predator more like flop predator

[tough parcel]

Tbf the two times that it did, it was pure luck on the prehistoric creature's part, but they were also showcased as pretty cracked out

[outer tusk]

Primeval spino>>>>

[round hedge]

Innacurate and outdated bundled into one fever dream for spinosaurus the king

(A cringe youtuber)

[outer tusk]

yeah we're aware

[steady rock]

does anyone else get planet dinosaur and dinosaur planet confused?

[round hedge]

Sometimes

But after watching Red raptor writes Rank both doccumentaries on accuracy, i don't confuse them as much

[round hedge]

I'd have JWCC spino over primeval spino any day of the week

Albertosaurus

[steady rock]

our accurate was planet dinosaur ouranosaurus? ( if i remember it correctly it walked quad ran biped )

[tough parcel]

Trying to refer to them is a pain, but I know which is which (as in, I can recognize what goes to what)

[round hedge]

Same

[tough parcel]

Actually really good, I think this is one of those that underwent some drastic change (in the paleocommunity) but recently has shown this was correct

[steady rock]

may i ask whats its posture was like? was it like PoT campto or more like iggy? ( like how it stood and walked )

[round hedge]

Now how accurate is the JW ouranosaurus

[steady rock]

i think the only inaccuracy was time and location

[tough parcel]

Likely quadrupedal for casual movement, bipedal for when it wants to skidaddle

[lavish frigate]

They found out how to shrink wrap an elephant. This gives me joy

[steady rock]

is the smildon accurate or nah?

[fossil ingot]

Quad?

Wasn't it like this?

[round hedge]

?

JWA design ain't that bad tbh

[steady rock]

if you think about it, this scene is actually a good reflection of how people thinking they can control wild life that isnt meant to be domesticated

[short talon]

Launch??!

Are you sending this mf into space?

[tough parcel]

This is old!!! And before Random took a gander at the Ouranosaurus measurements and found this had a few errors

[round hedge]

Not...........yet

[short talon]

I’m just thinking of an oversized spring absolutely LAUNCHING that dinosaur into the atmosphere

Kerbal space program ass dinosaurs

[outer tusk]

god I always laughed how real this scene was

[open compass]

That's wild..

[round hedge]

"princess don't bite"

Princess:

[hallow spear]

this Ourano is scaled wrong

[tough parcel]

Erm buddy, I already said that...

[steady smelt]

How heavy is australo irl? Because on the extinczoo vid abt megarapotorans says that they are abt 50% lighter than theropods of similar size

[outer tusk]

600kg

[steady smelt]

So abt the weight of conca and dilo

But i mean the fact that there Bones are 50%lighter is true?

[outer tusk]

What

[stable sun]

bahariasaurus........

[stable sun]

both have smaller arms for Sucho but not that much smaller

Chilantaisaurus however....

[stable sun]

Among named genera, yes.

[stable sun]

fun fact: camarasaurus and suchomimus bite forces are comparable

[round hedge]

XD, camara do got dat skull shape tho

[steady smelt]

On the extinczoo vid says that megarapotorans bones are abt 50%lighter(not sure abt that)

[tough parcel]

Wow, that's a first

[frosty cedar]

Oh damn, that's cool.

[mellow prism]

I hope that manual ungual 2 is stuck in the sauropod's body, otherwise it is too small

okay its definetely too small since its size is same as ungual 3

[fluid inlet]

Hideous

[steady rock]

livy did nothing wrong

[fluid inlet]

We taking allosaurus Anax out, Torvosaurus supremacy

[candid magnet]

I'm sorry... does this imply that the livy is the small one 😳

[steady rock]

?

[candid magnet]

Is the livython the big or small one

[steady rock]

guess

[fluid inlet]

The smaller one 🤓

[candid magnet]

😲

[steady rock]

ding ding ding

[short latch]

What drawing app do you use?

[velvet burrow]

Megaraptoridae

[fluid inlet]

Not mines

[short latch]

U know which app they used?

[fluid inlet]

No clue brother

[short latch]

Ok

[umbral kite]

ugly torvo skull formed like a dumb ahh cube

[outer tusk]

what

bro doesn't know what a cube looks like

[umbral kite]

fella a it skull is falt on both sides and is shaped like a rectangle

[outer tusk]

you do realize a recantgle isn't a cube, right?

[long shard]

Nerf patchy

[indigo cradle]

A cube is rectangular, rectangles aren't cubes

A rectangle is something with right angles
A cube is prism made up of squares, i.e. perfectly symmetrical 6 faces

[wind prairie]

very paleontological

[umbral kite]

where talking about the shape of a torvo head

[outer tusk]

Torvosaurus shape would be rectangular at best but not a straight up rectangle

[fluid inlet]

How did we get here

[steady rock]

what was the largest thing utahraptor was hunting in the formation?

[west coral]

reasonably anything hippodraco-cedorestes sized

[fluid inlet]

The human in the middle

[steady rock]

whats the height of utahraptor btw?

[steady rock]

like, would this be accurate?

[indigo cradle]

Looks good
It's a grizzly bear sized raptor

[steady rock]

ty

one last question, whats the weight of utahraptor?

[stiff osprey]

largest individual was ~500kg

[steady rock]

thank you random dinosaur ❤️

[zealous ravine]

@stiff osprey Is there a good scale ref for Tratayenia, I found this but when I scale it I get an animal bigger than Maip

[stiff osprey]

It's bigger than Aerosteon, but smaller than Maip, gonna get the chart

[zealous ravine]

Ty

[stiff osprey]

maip in purple, tratayenia in green, aerosteon in blue

[mellow prism]

its based on this 11cm vert or big metatarsal? or did you get holotype that big

[stiff osprey]

11cm vert and also a referred tibia that scaled to a similar size

[zealous ravine]

Do you happen to have a scaled pic of the material?

[stiff osprey]

nop

[mellow prism]

you have some info about this tibia or only from mortimer page?

[stiff osprey]

Mortimer

[mellow prism]

there is also a distal mt II which gives identical size as vert

[stiff osprey]

nice

[fossil ingot]

Quite Big
Maip is about lose its spot
Do we know if Trata(ima call it that) is Bulkier than Maip or Aero or just average Megaraptorian Bulk

[west coral]

How did you get that size? When I tried scaling it I got slightly smaller than aero

[stiff osprey]

^, also an 80cm tibia

[west coral]

i thought the tibia got you old maip size

[stiff osprey]

Murusraptor has a 69cm tibia (nice) and is smaller than aeros

[fossil ingot]

And how Big is Murusraptor?

[stiff osprey]

~7.5m

[fossil ingot]

Damn thats bigger than I thought

[velvet burrow]

Willing to think it's everything but a healthy adult Cedarosaurus

[velvet burrow]

... huh

Is there a weight for this larger Tratayenia? So megaraptorans became chads THAT early it's kinda cool

[storm merlin]

@fossil ingot get over here

I want to actually have a conversation

[fossil ingot]

What you want guy that Says Spino is the Largest?

[opaque kayak]

You have a sarcosuchus skeletal?

[stiff osprey]

well Aerosteon is ~1.6t and Maip is ~2.5t... so like... 2t?

[fossil ingot]

I have Lambors Sarco but that guy is like
10.13m lol

[steady rock]

you really think utah was gonna be hunting the sauropods ? ( minus a healthy adult cedarosaurus )

[storm merlin]

Go to dms so the chat delay isn’t here

[steady rock]

srumis gets kidnapped core

[fossil ingot]

Actually got this

[arctic heart]

I hate this thing. Why did it die to a majunga

[velvet burrow]

If it was the apex predator then ye
Not as often as prey closer to it's weight class but yes

[fossil ingot]

Dw, its the average conversation of someone saying Spino and Giga are larger than Rex
Nothing out of the ordinary

[steady rock]

i mean, all because you're the apex dosent meaning your gonna be eating everything

[opaque kayak]

Ohh nice

[storm merlin]

Tell me how stupid I’m being because I need information to go in my brain and stay in it

[steady rock]

wasnt utah just a raptor version of a carcharodontosaurid?

[fossil ingot]

You are literally asking why
Mass=size
And why Rex is the Largest Carnivore Theropod

While Saying Spino is the largest of All

[opaque kayak]

Do you have the new shoni and shasta skeletals?

[steady rock]

rex is fatter because you are what you eat and it ate fat trikes, toros and edmontos

[fossil ingot]

W(help me with this guy he is crazy lol)

[steady rock]

what growth stage of alamosaurus was on the menu for rex until it got to big?

[storm merlin]

I don’t want to teach this man basic science please help

[steady rock]

now lil p you dont seem to understand basic science so i have no clue what ego trip your on to be talking about him like this

[opaque kayak]

I don't understand what's being argued for

[fossil ingot]

Ehh....
Don't think so let me see
Kinda the best I have lol

[steady rock]

i may not have a way with words but i have a way with insults 😛

[storm merlin]

Wait I just realized this is like the kilogram of feathers or a kilogram of steel question

[opaque kayak]

Thx, iirc someone did make a new shastasaurus one, it looked bizzare

[fossil ingot]

Basically
Size≠Weight
Therefore he says Giga and Spino are Larger than Rex and that Rex is Top 3

[storm merlin]

I never said size = weight 😭

[fossil ingot]

Since when is this ≠ symbol the same as = this one?

[opaque kayak]

That is kinda true, but keep in mind, most animal densities are between 0.95-1.05, so volume is virtually weight in megatheropods. Knowing that, size should equal volume or weight, unless length is your standard, which means a snake is bigger then a elephant

[storm merlin]

Alright let me explain this

[steady rock]

y'all im not very sciencetifical so y'all are speaking too smart for me

[fossil ingot]

Don't tell me he is gonna use the Ballon and dog example again smh

[storm merlin]

Gold is more dense than wood so theoretically a wood cube can be bigger than a gold cube but the gold cube weighs more. It doesn’t change how big it is

[thorn grove]

animal densities do not vary anywhere near that much

certainly not for tetrapods

[steady rock]

idk i kinda get what hes saying

[storm merlin]

Yes but also the spinosaur is semi aquatic meaning it has denser bones

[opaque kayak]

Yeah, we get that, but gold has sm like 3 times the density of wood. Megatheropods only vary at most 10 percent. So a Spino wouldn't be dense enough to significantly effect their volume changes

[velvet burrow]

No but most things ye
Most top order predators can punch up WAY above their weight class

[thorn grove]

It's technically true but it literally doesn't matter practically

[fossil ingot]

This is why Spino is Larger than Argent Guys
Cause Dense Bones

[steady rock]

dont semi aquatic creatures have lighter bones or am i dumb

wait nvm if you had lighter bones you'd be more bouyant

[thorn grove]

that would make its volume smaller compared to its weight though lmao

[velvet burrow]

If Utahraptor was the largest predator around it would've given most things but a large Cedarosaurus a run for their money

[fossil ingot]

Spino has denser bones then the average large theropod
Even then, said density changes nothing much

[steady rock]

oh i remember that, did sucho and bary also ahve denser bones than the average therapod?

can someone pull up the chart for me?

[warm saddle]

at most prob a rounding error

[fossil ingot]

Bary yes, Sucho was more like the average theropod

[storm merlin]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING EVEN THOUGH IT WEIGHT MORE DOSENT MEAN IT IS BIGGER

[opaque kayak]

It's at most the density of 1.05, in comparison to Rex's 0.97, which is a less then 10 percent diff. Meaning even with that density difference, Spino would be both volume-wise or weight wise be lighter then Rex

[stiff osprey]

Tyrannosaurus has a density around 0.97, Spinosaurus has a density around 1.05 (at most). This is nowhere near enough to counteract the massive volume advantage (~2 cubic meters) that Tyrannosaurus has over Spinosaurus. T.rex has the larger volume, larger mass, larger everything except length

[steady rock]

U.N. owen was a albertasaurus?

[thorn grove]

You are vastly, vastly, vastly overestimating how much density will matter in this case. It matters so little that it most cases its basically just a rounding error

[steady rock]

these words are getting to big for me...

[opaque kayak]

Me when I sleep

[storm merlin]

https://www.fossilera.com/pages/is-spinosaurus-bigger-than-t-rex?srsltid=AfmBOop1bU4bHVh5zsJW7t68j0sCg_5kf3n32YIIaCmxgP7oPi4rA781

[fossil ingot]

Nah wdym, Spino has denser bones therefore it is bigger(basically what the guy is saying)

[steady rock]

what is the thing that
all because your bigger dosent mean your heavier?
or would size mesumerts like big and small releate to weight?

[storm merlin]

No I was answering the other guys question 😭

[manic grail]

Lol the spino there is the outdated one

[fossil ingot]

Same Length and ALMOST same Height
Yet Sue is still around 1.8t Heavier
Average Rex W Moment

[storm merlin]

T. rex is heavier than spino but spino is bigger

[warm saddle]

biggest in palaeontology usually measured by mass

[thorn grove]

how

[steady rock]

like, bigger in legnth height or width?

[fossil ingot]

I think this Guy will get a Heart Attack when I tell them this Two are basically the same size

[velvet burrow]

So a burmese python is larger than a saltwater crocodile because it's longer

[fossil ingot]

Length (Sue is Taller than it, and heavier)

[steady rock]

you are what you eat and spino was eating legnthy fish

[storm merlin]

Say you inflate a balloon, it takes up more space than a penny, but say the penny is made of a material that outweighs a lot of things including the rubber making up the balloon but the balloon takes up more space because it is inflated it is less dense than the penny but it is bigger but the penny weighsmore but is denser

[warm saddle]

siphonophore is 50 meters n blue whles only 30 m

[fossil ingot]

Dw Bro, Spino def bigger

[frigid delta]

483 unread messages since yesterday should i cry or fart 💔

[manic grail]

That would make sense if trex had like plastic bones or something like that

[fossil ingot]

Thats Outdated

[steady rock]

this is all making zero sense to me, can someone like, translate this to caveman speak?

[warm saddle]

outdated chart

[opaque kayak]

He's trolling

[fossil ingot]

Better references with more up to date charts(and this is using the Spino with To Much leg cartilage😭)

[thorn grove]

You have explained that already. I know what density is.

My contention is that tetrapods are almost all very similar in density, even with spino having "dense bones" it's not that much of a difference compared to rex, and so when comparing tetrapods weight is a very close and adequate approximation of volume.

[storm merlin]

Hollow rock not fit in cave. Smaller rock now hollow fit in cave. Hollow rock bigger but is hollow so weigh less. Smaller rock weigh more and is smaller. Big brain stuff

[opaque kayak]

What he is trying to say is Rex might be bigger, but Spino is more dense = heavier, and therefore should be bigger. TBH I also don't fully get what he is saying

[fossil ingot]

You would think that, but guy literally Told me my Teacher should had teached me this😭

[storm merlin]

No spino is less dense = bigger

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/reveiovers-revelovers-stan-twt-kpop-twitter-woman-fainting-gif-23078497

[opaque kayak]

Why would Spino be less dense?

[fossil ingot]

Image when he learns in Paleontology things aren't like that smh

[thorn grove]

except it's not? you literally said earlier that spino has denser bones

I'm starting to agree on the trolling thing

[opaque kayak]

Everything we know about this animal suggests it would be more dense, since the bones are more compact

[frigid delta]

@storm merlin

[velvet burrow]

What...

[steady rock]

can i ask a question unrelating to this topic?

[opaque kayak]

vs

[halcyon cobalt]

spino is more dense and takes less space than Rex, but still does not weigh more than Rex. Rex weighs more than spino but is less dense and takes up more space

[frigid delta]

8.3 vs 10.4
call duck vs giant swan moment

[opaque kayak]

sure

[warm saddle]

bigger in paleontology is calculated by mass, n rex is currently bigger than spino, even with spinos dense bone, it'd barely be anything substantial, rounding error at best

[storm merlin]

That might have proved my point lol lemme do some calculations

[steady rock]

why is APPALACHIA so like, not very known compared to the other north american landmass during the cretascous?

[fossil ingot]

He ain't

[opaque kayak]

TBH sir, I have no idea

[steady rock]

i know bishtavenator was partying over there

[fossil ingot]

Why is that Spino posture so high?

[velvet burrow]

Welp, bro is 100% trolling

[opaque kayak]

It's nau's, which iirc can't walk with two legs

[frigid delta]

ask Fabio Alejandro/Dragonthunder the OG artist who made the spino

[storm merlin]

I said that because someone said semi aquatic creatures have less denser bones

[halcyon cobalt]

you don’t need to. there are people who already have and conclusively found that Rex is heavier

[thorn grove]

and then they corrected themself

[fossil ingot]

Smh

[storm merlin]

You guys clearly don’t understand so I’m just gonna let someone else explain it to you

[frigid delta]

S moke
m y
h ouse

[steady rock]

is that person in the chat with us rn

[storm merlin]

Man idk maybe

[fossil ingot]

I wanna bet bro will call his teacher on us

[manic grail]

Lil p is referring to this

[frigid delta]

the prove is literally in here dawg
#paleontology message

[fossil ingot]

Or here.

[storm merlin]

He packing though

[manic grail]

Real

[fossil ingot]

Def not me been evil

[frigid delta]

NEVER USE HOLOTYPE
(falcon infection real)

[storm merlin]

That’s not a T. rex lol

[thorn grove]

rex is even bigger

[warm saddle]

a rex is bigger than car

[fossil ingot]

Imagine been smaller than Sucho

[steady rock]

whats the largest edmontosaurus compared to the average shant?

[frigid delta]

dare to say ts straight up indian elephant vs african elephant moment

[thorn grove]

Like ~13 tons vs 11.3 iirc

[fossil ingot]

Rex is bigger, obv is not Rex
Its Carcha

[steady rock]

i remember when a new paper came out and a para species was reaching that size

[storm merlin]

Never said it wasn’t bigger but ok lol

[thorn grove]

it's not anymore para got downsized to like 6 tons I think

[steady rock]

yeah rip 12(?) ton para

[fossil ingot]

Taking in count your logic....
Carcha is same length as Rex but Taller
Therefore its bigger

[frigid delta]

i hate para it deserved its low status as common fodder

[storm merlin]

Takes up more volume if it’s taller but same length

[steady rock]

dont say that fodder, i remember to many " edmontosaurus isnt fodder " debates in this chat

[fossil ingot]

Guys Carcha its bigger than Rex
Source?
Trust me bro

[frigid delta]

ok Cyn

[storm merlin]

Who even said that 😭

[obsidian tulip]

heh.. bigger via hip height!

[fossil ingot]

Literally you

[steady rock]

what would've been the more common prey item for a rex, torosaurus or trike?

[thorn grove]

no because rex is wider

are you basing all your size opinions on the left lateral view area? No wonder you think spino is bigger with that giant sail, that thing is razor thin

[halcyon cobalt]

they sail takes up very little space and its body is a lot less robust

[manic grail]

The dense spinosaurus he is talking about btw

[fossil ingot]

And Head height(Bro is like 1cm taller at the head😭)

[warm saddle]

edmon,trike,toro

[storm merlin]

That looks cool ngl

[opaque kayak]

Chikakakaka

[frigid delta]

Anky???
the table???

[manic grail]

Thats scorn from transformers

[steady rock]

would denversaurus and below sub adult alamosaurus have been common prey items too?

[warm saddle]

scorn hell yeah

[storm merlin]

I gotta start watching transformers hell yeah man

[thorn grove]

trike was more common in the ecosystem so would've been more available as a prey item

toro might not have even made it to the extinction so might not have been available at all for a while

[warm saddle]

alamo rarely if ever enters a rex territory so no

[steady rock]

toro didnt reach the extinct? my day is ruined

[frigid delta]

what abt the table? (Anky)

[fossil ingot]

Wdym
My Peak Ceratopcian lasted less than Trike

[storm merlin]

Did any dinosaurs make it past the extinction or were they all errased

[warm saddle]

rex might eat it but prob be like not too common perhaps

[thorn grove]

anky was pretty uncommon, as is the case for most ankylosaurs in most ecosystems

[steady rock]

probably some smaller ones

[warm saddle]

birds (maniraptoran)

[frigid delta]

bro forgor birds

[storm merlin]

Yeah the early mammals lived through it in burrows

[storm merlin]

No the molten rock falling from the sky took them out

[steady rock]

gastornis:

[warm saddle]

what univrese are you in bud.

[frigid delta]

who is the pidgeon in ur neighbourhood dawg 💀🙏

[thorn grove]

there was a paper claiming to find a Hadrosaur population 700,000 years after the extinction but it was highly controversial and not really accepted

[storm merlin]

The earth was hit at an angle spewing rock In the sky that came falling back down

[manic grail]

If triceratops had some sort of quills or feathers why is it like not in 99% of the depictions

[steady rock]

#GiveUsOurRightsBack

[indigo cradle]

Someone came in with something wild and they know us

[thorn grove]

doesn't often preserve

[manic grail]

Yea but the skin was found and it had holes in it and some of the bones too if i recall

[sullen cairn]

it makes me very happy i always miss the pointless conversations in this channel

[thorn grove]

I'm not particularly familiar with the find so I can't really say

Depending on what part of the animal the skin came from it may or may not be evidence for or against quills, since other ceratopsians with quills only have them on certain parts of the body (Psittacosaurus only has them on the tail for example)

[manic grail]

Its the mummified triceratops called "Lane"

[thorn grove]

Ok thanks,

yea it seems as though it having quills isn't well agreed upon, hence why most depictions probably shy away from it

[white matrix]

is this a accurate trex model?

[manic grail]

To be honest i cant see why it isnt well agreed upon. Theres literally evidence for it lol.

[thorn grove]

well the evidence is contested

"Unlike the truncated-cone or conical feature scales of Psittacosaurus and other dinosaurs, such as the abelisaurid Carnotaurus, the nipple-like structure of Triceratops, which corresponds to an elevated volcano-like prominence (~1‒3 cm in height), occupies only half of the feature scale surface, the rest of the feature scale being flat... it is unlikely that the feature scale bore a spine or a “bristle”-like structure"

https://doi.org/10.1038/s42003-022-03749-3

[manic grail]

The question is then what it might be if not quills or some sort of feathers

[indigo cradle]

I like how "it's not quills" okay then what is it?
Hair? Feathers?
Guess what a hair/feather that is particularly rigid enough to stab into mud is called
A quill

[manic grail]

Lol no offense but is that what you were typing for like 20 minutes

[fluid inlet]

It’s quills, next question

[indigo cradle]

No I was going to be more snarky but I'm actively trying to do that less, plus I was examining the skin impressions

I'm a huge fan of ceratopsians being ugly boar-like creatures covered in bristle

[manic grail]

I find quills cool too but i dont think it makes it ugly

[opaque kayak]

Tell spinosaurus to fix his tail, make it shorter

[white matrix]

?

[thorn grove]

Most likely they were just shaped feature scales that supported no structures at all

[noble dune]

Yes

[stiff osprey]

We have massive stretches of skin impressions from Triceratops and other ceratopsids, there is zero evidence of quills in any of them

So far quills are exclusive to Psittaco

[ripe walrus]

How is the bottom wrong?

[stiff osprey]

That image was made by Mike Milbourne, a pseudoscientist who thinks pliosaurids were 20 meters long and Spinosaurus had long legs because he said so

(He has never studied the skeleton himself)

[round hedge]

So for short, he's an idiot

[ripe walrus]

Ah ok lol

[manic grail]

So wait is the bottom one correct or the other one

[open compass]

What about holes on trike's skin?

[stiff osprey]

Those are raised cones in the center of each scale, like a small spike

Jesus, a two minute slowmode? What happened here

[thorn grove]

everyone was jumping on the guy arguing for spino being bigger than rex and ig the mods decided the chat was being too active or something

[round hedge]

Wait, that happened ?

[stiff osprey]

Oh yeah that would do it

[thorn grove]

Basically he forgor about the third dimension and thought that because spino's sail makes it look bigger in left lateral view that therefore spino has a bigger volume and the reason rex is heavier is because its denser (even though spino is denser)

[odd leaf]

Idk but I asked chatgpt said that the upper spino is correct

[round hedge]

Wait, so there were 2 azdarchids in Hatzeg island ?

[round hedge]

Bro doesn't know how fatty T.rex is

[open compass]

C'mon

[manic grail]

But the bottom wouldnt even walk with those skinny bones

[stiff osprey]

That's kind of Spinosaurus's entire thing. Having dumb tiny legs

[manic grail]

Yes but wouldnt supporting its weight be impossible

[round hedge]

Musculature : do i even exist to you ?

[open compass]

Hippo:

[thorn grove]

I'd imagine most animals probably have legs way stronger than the absolute minimum necessary to support their weight, so spino having significantly less strength just puts it closer than usual to that minimum, rather than below it

[keen saffron]

hippos have thick bones and four legs unlike the spino, they also float around the water most of their days

[manic grail]

Hippos got 4 legs

@round hedge Also the legs on the bottom one are very skinny too (not the bones) so how would it have so muscular legs

[stiff osprey]

Hippos don't float, they sink and spend most of their day submerged. So did Spinosaurus

[open compass]

And spino's legs weren't that small and they aren't tiny

[keen saffron]

yeah that part I was wrong, yet hippos weight is still supported by the water allowing them to move smoothly as if they were much lighter. They have high density bones than the spinosaurs with skinny bones.

[steady rock]

i have a question, do to use having a pinnacosaurus's voice box, what does it tell us about its vocal abilities and stuff?

[stiff osprey]

The tiny legs are pretty good evidence that Spinosaurus was also partially aquatic, there would be no reason to reduce the legs otherwise

[halcyon cobalt]

spinosaurus also had relatively dense bones

[keen saffron]

yeah, I was disagreeing with the spino with skinny bones and the relying of muscles instead.

Hippos are not a good example to use for a spino. They are not related, hippos are blubbery and mammals while the spino is not. They have four legs and the spino doesn’t, just their build alone is enough to tell you that it’s not a good example.

[round hedge]

Its weight is distribuited on all 4 legs equally

[manic grail]

Yes i didnt disagree with that

[sly viper]

What was the largest terrestrial animal?

[lavish frigate]

It’s good, has teeth protruding from the lips though so that’s a downgrade

[round hedge]

Argentinosaurus

[scenic flame]

and just one species of Psittaco at that

[opaque kayak]

Gotta say I love this robust spino

[scenic flame]

also consider how spino looks when shaved, I don't understand why some people feel a compulsion to try and make spino's legs as long as they possibly can even when there is no evidence to support such a change

[tall prawn]

the prediction is insane

[round hedge]

Bro looks like oversized irritator 💀

[stiff osprey]

My god... the osaurus

[halcyon cobalt]

now I feel bad

[opaque kayak]

Ig that is because Spino just looks like a animal which can't stand on two legs (which might be true), also, can someone give spino normal tail with the same length as well?

[steady rock]

he changed it hella quick 😭

[scenic flame]

ostafrikasaurus...

[fluid inlet]

Spinosaurus legs ain’t tiny lmao

[halcyon cobalt]

eel saurus…

[scenic flame]

tmk there is no good argument for Spinosaurus as it currently stands to be quadrupedal, nor a reason to arbitrarily make the tail shorter

[opaque kayak]

It seems damn feeble ngl. Although, dunno about the thread where they concluded spino can't walk on two legs. I ask this to everyone, can someone do the same formula to majungasaurus, one with a very small femur as well, and see if it could walk bipedal?

[halcyon cobalt]

majungasaurus ain’t got forelimbs to walk on

[stiff osprey]

Majunga's femur is much larger and thicker than Spino's relative to its weight, so it probably can move just fine

[fluid inlet]

https://preview.redd.it/im-tired-boss-v0-km3i65wiso5a1.jpg?auto=webp&s=d6d60169850ab7042ec75eb7535bb6ef17285dab

[tall prawn]

@fluid inlet is dan fokes scotty skeletal better than randoms?

[scenic flame]

the only way I would take a quad spino argument serious if a 3d model was made based off Random's skeletal or another skeletal seen as reasonably accurate was made in order to determine the CoM of spinosaurus, similar to what Sergi did with the older inaccurate recon such as the one I'm replying to here.
it's important to never start at a conclusion.

[fluid inlet]

You talking about this one? Lol

[tall prawn]

@scenic flame ?

[scenic flame]

idk

[opaque kayak]

Didn't they do one with Dan's, then found it couldn't walk bipedal?, also what even is ntmk

[fluid inlet]

what’s up with the timer on the chat cool down

[tall prawn]

this is why random>lambor trust

[opaque kayak]

That's D.Folkes's, not lambo's

[sly viper]

What was the weight of argentinosaurus?

[tall prawn]

still random>lambor and hes not sigma random is ,trust

[fluid inlet]

Who is lambo

[stiff osprey]

Dan's also has an overly short tail (not his fault, it was discovered after). And ntmk is not to my knowledge

[opaque kayak]

Ahh, makes sence. BTW, do you have any papers for Majunga femur measurements, or spino femur measurements?

[fluid inlet]

What’s with the cool down anyways ? How does the game malfunctioning affect the paleontology chat lol , off topic I forgot to buy milk so now no cereal for me.

[opaque kayak]

I wish I had the experience to be able to do the calc myself, but I had a gut feeling, knowing how much off the ratio even was for Spino, that some other theropod might also apply, but idk how to ngl ps, they used circumference of the femur. No idea how they got spino's circumference of the femur, tho

[tall prawn]

does a 10 ton giga exsist?

[frigid delta]

poops this just for you

[halcyon cobalt]

dentararary

[opaque kayak]

Titan slayer

[regal cloak]

How big is bruhathokayosaurus? The nameless sauropod femur and the abelisaurid

[hardy sentinel]

@river plinth I don't mean to be a nerd, but Iguanodon is not a Hadrosaur, but is a part of a bigger group that includes Hadrosaurs. Think of it like birds and dromeosaurids ☝️🤓

[frigid delta]

i've done it
how was it?

[fluid inlet]

What’s up with Rex extra long legs?

[frigid delta]

GRRRRR I'M GONNA GET U
#paleontology message

[halcyon cobalt]

superior tyrannosauroid cursorial adaptations

[fluid inlet]

It proportionally looks off 😭

[frigid delta]

NOW I LOST RANDOM'S CARCHA
GUYS PLS HELP ME AGAIN 😭🙏

[steady rock]

what do we know about dinosaur vocal cabilities?

[indigo cradle]

Limited
We don't have much evidence of a larynx, someone mentioned one specimen they found in something but idr what

[frigid delta]

Pinaco?

[indigo cradle]

Could be, no idea, I was always under the impression dinosaurs didn't have vocal cords but someone said they found a hyoid in something

[frigid delta]

TY

[inner thunder]

Is giga heavier than rex usually?

[tulip dove]

It's hard to tell how heavy Giga was on average as there are only 2 known specimens compared to the huge sample size we have from Rex

[river plinth]

I gotta put you down

[fluid inlet]

Majungasaurus been watching too much cartoons and think it can take on Lokiceratops.

[frigid delta]

dawg no???
the evidence is RIGHT infront of ur eyes dawg
#paleontology message

[halcyon cobalt]

I think you misunderstood his question. In the image you linked it shows the largest specimens, not every individual of each species

[fluid inlet]

Yeah, we only have 2 giganotosaurus specimens but they are both exceptionally large.

[frigid delta]

OH SHI WAIT I AM

[fluid inlet]

Any paper on the exceptionally large ceratosaurus?

[round hedge]

NAAAAAH, GOOGLE IS HIGH ON SUM STUFF RN

[honest cobalt]

So Rex is bigger now? Wow

[round hedge]

Always has been

[honest cobalt]

Everytime I see a picture of those 3 they are always different heights

[umbral kite]

i need help here a Armadillosuchus armor wat is that

and could a strong of enough bite force break it

[halcyon cobalt]

would’ve been covered up by skin and not really look a ton like an armadillo

would’ve looked like this I’m pretty sure

[indigo cradle]

Hawt

[umbral kite]

how strong would it have been and also is the scale of this thin where 10 cm thick would teeth of a trex break it

[halcyon cobalt]

Rex would deffo break it. the osteoderms weren’t super thick

[round hedge]

What is the most accurate PoT design in your guy's oppinions ?

[indigo cradle]

Rhamph

[umbral kite]

no like if u took the scute if it and layered to be 10cm thick could it

[frigid delta]

man i'm so hungry i could eat a Bronto rn (i forgor my dinner schedule)

[odd leaf]

Spinosaurus can fly and you all can't prove I'm wrong because he changes every time

[halcyon cobalt]

spinosaurus has barely changed in like the past 10 years

[stray saddle]

Not at all

[halcyon cobalt]

well like half of all giga specimens rival some of the largest Rex specimens ( technically)

[frigid delta]

Spino...

[odd leaf]

Tbh I think spino should look like this

[halcyon cobalt]

it is a pretty cool design

[scenic flame]

cool but not appropriate for PoT, it's not accurate

[uneven sinew]

Looks like the isle's spino, what a cool design

You guys prefer The Isle or PoT designs?

[indigo cradle]

That's the JP3 spino color scheme

[open compass]

It looks good but this

[stable sun]

How is Tratayenia larger than Aerosteon what
It has both a smaller ilium and smaller verts
Nvm this is using 11 cm verts

[uneven sinew]

All the models of prehistoric kingdom are Top

[stable sun]

it has denser bones by about 8%

[polar scroll]

PK always cook with their designs

[stable sun]

Which one is larger, a blue whale or Lineus longissimus

[halcyon cobalt]

I don’t like the tail drag

[frigid delta]

ONG SPINO
MY SHAYLA
HE GONN GET ANOTHER FORM THIS YEAR

[tranquil quartz]

what

[flat pond]

Mainly because of the fact that when the glaciers were around, they carved a lot of the rock around the mountains and in turn, moved a lot of material. Plus even if there are good amount of fossils found here, they wouldn’t be very well preserved since the rock here is very much different than most other places. This is why when you do find Appalachian fossils, they tend to be more in marine deposits.

[flat pond]

This feels like a type of argument that people would have if it was between which constrictor is larger: the reticulated python or the green anaconda, in which the former is longer but the latter is heavier, in which for scientists mass is what determines what is larger, so the green anaconda is the largest snake as of currently being alive.

[pliant cedar]

the lemon shark

[sudden wind]

Imma head out

[tawdry lintel]

How accurate is this ?

[wintry reef]

is it me or PoT deinon is a velociraptor

[sudden wind]

Yeah it doesn't looks much like Deinonychus imo and more so like a Velociraptorine than something like Dromaeosaurus.

[timber kiln]

does any one have a good Minmi Skeletal cause i keep finding 3 differnet desgin

[fossil ingot]

Why is Carcha the Smallest
Carcha is Top 2
Also not very accurate, all are outdated
Let me find a better one

This one uses Dentary Giga but it works for what I wanted, If you are curious regarding the more Reliable Giga size of the Holotype then its 12.7m and 8.47 tons
TTT is Outdated cause of Random's New Skeletal but its now 11.6m and 6.7 tons

[winter marsh]

as an official nah but as a mod I can totaly see this spino (look at all the vintage spinos coming)

[fossil ingot]

Giga, Mapu and Carcha/TTT both are basically the same.

[odd leaf]

This is a masterpiece

[round hedge]

And a juvie laten is somehow bigger than an adolescent deinon

[round hedge]

???

[hallow spear]

4.7m Allosaurus adult which is smaller than a subadult Allosaurus which is around 9m moment

[tawdry lintel]

Sorry guys I couldnt reply, thanks for all the info

[tawdry lintel]

Thank you !! And what is TTT btw lol, I would like to know more

[outer tusk]

hey Neeco you got the edit by Luis Mondkatze?

[sudden wind]

Edit of what ?

[manic grail]

Chat who do you think would win irl livyatan or megalodon

[wintry reef]

probably lev its a battle ram

[tough parcel]

Perhaps the Deinonychus is short

[round hedge]

But laten and deynon were almost exactly the same size irl, so it makes no sens that juvie laten is bigger than adolescent deinonychus, but hey, probs deynon in-game IS a velociraptor after all

[tough parcel]

This is...the IRL size though 😭

[manic grail]

But isnt megalodon larger

[quasi token]

max megalodon is bigger yes, average is around the same

[wintry reef]

the size its pretty similar, megalodon had bigger jaws but leviathan bone and fat in the head will make it able to make catastrofical damage to the meg

similar to orcas nowadays

[quasi token]

anyway a battle would probably come down to the size and experience of the individuals involved, though i imagine adults would likely avoid each other more often than not over direct combat

[warped peak]

How would being fat give it any advantage here

[manic grail]

Yea and the thing is only the skull and teeth were found from the livyatan and nothing else so we know very little about it

[quasi token]

true though we at least have more complete relatives like brygmophyseter, though i hope we find more of it at some point

[wintry reef]

the head of the sperm whales have huge ammounts of lipids that give protection to their heads

[warped peak]

We know a lot about Livyatan from relatives. The largest Livyatan estimates are a bit bigger than an average Megalodon, but the normal ones are smaller than Meg

Considering Meg is a whale hunting specialist and we have evidence of bite marks on large predatory whale teeth, I'm definitely giving the advantage to Big Fish

Average estimates for both I believe here. Big Meg estimates are disturbing in comparison

[fossil ingot]

TTT is Tyrannotitan

[quasi token]

that livys a bit undersized for its proportions (1:5 head:body ratio), this should be a bit closer (apologies for bad editing skills)

[warped peak]

Those are sensory organs, not a meat shield

Those getting bitten is going to be extremely bad for it

[tawdry lintel]

Kinda obviois now that you said it lmao, thanks and what do you think about this ? I like the psno dinos to distinguish between Carchas

[sudden wind]

Fun fact these areas are what meg probably ate the most when it comes to Physeteroids given how lipid/fat rich they are (we also have bit marks on Physeteroid skulls).

[fossil ingot]

They cool

[manic grail]

Didnt know megalodon was that much bigger. If thats really the true size then it would probably win in most cases lol

[warped peak]

That's the average Megalodon, not the big ones as well

[fossil ingot]

12.5m Livy smh

[wintry reef]

an ambushing megalodon could easily beat a lev

[manic grail]

Yea but same goes for the livyatan. An ambush could kill a megalodon, a bite to the gills would be fatal

[quasi token]

hence, they probably avoided each other

[fossil ingot]

Ambush are just like deadly to most things

[wintry reef]

But what about ichtyotitan

[quasi token]

ofc very large megalodon could probably snack on average-sized livy from time to time but that wouldn't be a common occurence by any means

as for ichty given that it's larger than both meg and livy at average sizes by a considerable amount, this isn't exactly a fair fight lol

[fossil ingot]

Yeah....That thing is like
Not much safer

@quasi token does Ichtyotitan even has a Concrete Average Size cause tmk it doesn't

[vapid lotus]

i made that ages ago, its not accurate anymore

[quasi token]

25m, 80t~ from the original description paper at least, both blue anchor and lilstock are about the same size as well

[iron halo]

guys don’t forget about carcharodontosaurus appreciation day

[fossil ingot]

Ngl
That seems way to large for an Average

[quasi token]

possibly but given that both specimens we have are that size it doesnt seem too far off, the only other estimate ik for it is ceteologyhub's which comes out to around 64t max, though still for a 25m animal

[fossil ingot]

And then I see stuff for a 35m Individual☠️

[round hedge]

I like to believe that Scotty, the biggest T.rex specimen could beat Peter Jackson's V.rex in a fight.

The vastatossurus's awkward jaw structure leads me to believe that its bite would not be as efective as a T.rex bite, and also, it's said that a 59 foot long V.rex would only weigh about 10 tons, but that's for the larger specimens, an averrage one would likely weigh 7,5/8 tons

Scotty stomps many fictional theropods

[quasi token]

not seeing a 34m individual there but thats probably the aust specimen which is even more fragmentary than the others we have and may or may not be ichthyotitan (and is probably around 30m anyway not 34)

[fossil ingot]

Yeah...thats not how thing works.
And This is a Fiction Fight where that kind of Logic tends to Last.
V-Rex Weight is Dubious at best

Scotty gets stomped by most JW Verse Big Carnis
But so does V-Rex either way

[round hedge]

But what does let's say Rexy, a 7 ton skinny Rex have on Scotty, who is way heavier, bulkier and more muscular ?

[tough parcel]

If you remove the inbreeding, I assume the teeth become less messed up so

And IIRC the chart Srumis posted originally noted how the skull shortened and deepened to accomodate for a stronger bite

[round hedge]

Thanks, i would've had a stroke trying to read that

[fossil ingot]

Rexy is 8.4 tons my guy
Not 7 tons
And What with been heavier?
Rexy has shown to be able to Lift, Ram abd Brawl Stuff Larger than Her, hell Big Eatie was Lifting and Throwing a Guy confirmed Over 10 tons😭
Scotty is Heavier? Sure, gives him nothing
Bulkier? Proportionally likely, still doesn't give him strength.
Been more Muscular means really nothing when Rexy has feats that grant her Superior Strength
Her been Physically Comparable with Indon who was destroying and Bending Steel Beams Easily.
Spino with Ramming was able to Produce enough TNT Force to get him to Small Building, Giga too
All Scotty has over them is been heavier and Bulkier.
Rexy has shown better Strength, Better Dura, The 48500N Bite Force of irl Rex WON'T 1 shot Rexy, Rexy can like most just shrud it off
Better C/R Speed, better AP/DC, Adaptability and more I won't explain cause off Topic and I will sound even more Nerd☠️

@falcon.09 yeah it states that the Skull Became more Robust and Heavily Armored, this things evolved to also be quite agile, they are built quite weird

Man I wrote to much smh😭

[stable sun]

Tyrannotitan

[round hedge]

Sorry dude, i shouldn't have been an idiot and made You write so much, but now i've learnt

[fossil ingot]

Lol dw
I promised myself not go to that Era anymore
Its my fault I wrote to much lol

[stable sun]

Largest specimesn were 24 m

[round hedge]

No it's not your fault dude, when someone (like me) doesn't understand something, you sometimes go off the rails to explain it in a way that even a toddler can understand but In the end, it's the fault of the person You explain that to (me) because If they weren't an idiot, You wouldn't have had to write so much

[fossil ingot]

Long

[fossil ingot]

Lol my guy is not your fault.
I am just a nerd that like 1 year ago was stuck in the world of Powerscaling JP/JW😭.

Its not your fault mostly, is mine for thinking everyone will go and know about powerscaling fictional dinosaurus

[round hedge]

Nah, i used to always watch videos about powerscaling JP and JW dinos, but all of that just slipped right out my other ear after entering the first one, don't blame yourself in life tho, it's not healthy for you

[tall prawn]

rexy was 8.4 tonnes in dominon and 7 tonnes in jwfk iirc take the last part w a grain of salt ig

[round hedge]

Anyways, is the Aust collosus valid ?

I've heard people saying it's an abnormally large ichtyotitan specimen, but hey, i barely ever even Heard of those giants

[fossil ingot]

Arguably 8.4 tons on JP1 too
In JW She has statements for 7 tons
Tho in FK iirc she has some for 8.4 tons, nvm she has a 4 ton estimate for FK😭

[round hedge]

The fact that anyone can think that Rexy weighs as low as 4 tons in JWFK means that they're high on sum hard stuff fr

[fossil ingot]

JWFK Rexy is stated Emaciated.
JW Rexy is atleast stated to get Amino Acids and good Food.
JWD Rexy is stated as Healthy as JP1 Rexy.

Then again, FK Rexy is weird
You have stuff for 4 tons but also for 8.4 tons
Average JW moment

[round hedge]

But anyways, back to If the Aust collosus is valid or not

[fossil ingot]

Idk tbh
Haven't heard of it
Maybe Random knows, at the end he is here watching this rn

[tall prawn]

yo chat indom moggs giga and rexy and ofc spino

[round hedge]

Bro, what are these terms ? ☠️

(Mogging someone means being better looking than them)

[stiff osprey]

the aust colossus is just another Ichthyotitan that is larger than the holotype

[tall prawn]

how big is aust

[tough parcel]

Perhaps it is the adult Ichthyotitan...after all, the holotype is a sub-adult....

[stiff osprey]

26m or something

[round hedge]

It's kinda inconsistent, but estimates put it at 34.4-36.96 m long (very absurd btw) but still lighter than the blue whale

But random's 26m estimate is more accurate

[quasi token]

26m is the lower estimate if i remember right, its usually around 30m for upper estimate

[stiff osprey]

the upper one is based on measurements of a pinheaded ichthyosaur (Besanosaurus), a much more derived ichthyosaur (Ophthalmosaurus) and a close relative that has inconsistent measurements (Shastasaurus). 26m is using the higher measurements for shasta

[quasi token]

found it, assuming this is still up to date

[round hedge]

Welp, that'l do until we find more evidence

[stable sun]

Aust iirc is like 31 m scaling from Ichthyotitan scaled from S. sikanniensis

[tacit pine]

💀

[stiff osprey]

that's using the lower measurements for S.sikkaniensis, which makes Ichthyotitan larger. not technically wrong but I would not use the upper estimates for any taxon known from this garbage material

[tacit pine]

NEVER cook a take EVER again 🙏.