paleontology

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@stiff osprey @zealous ravine
Would yall say pnso Torosaurus is a real good model?

https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/U5bf8c10a7cf94f8faabb05cfc1a7ef27T.jpg

[cold edge]

PNSO has good figures! I have one, it's real nice :]

[floral cradle]

second one is better

idk it can be anything really but maybe some bird type of coloration

[stiff osprey]

The lack of cheeks bothers me for a ceratopsid figure. And the head is a bit too big. But better than their trike

[zealous ravine]

Def, I have it and it’s one of their best

[steep sundial]

pnso has great models! I have a spinosaurus, fantastic quality

[steep sundial]

Heres my spino

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I got lokiceratops coming in tomorrow ! Trying to complete the big 3 with , triceratops , Styra and Toro

[stiff osprey]

I wish i had the new Spino, but i already bought the old one and if i started buying repeated figures of the same species i'd go broke in minutes

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New spino is worth it tho, no offense to the old spino but I’d give it to my pet dog 😭

[stiff osprey]

Nooo lmao leave him alone

if you ignore the quad pose it's a good 1:35 scale neotype

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https://berrybeary.com/cdn/shop/files/c2_070ae784-14d9-4327-8694-f06ebdd5f9a9.png?v=1687275448 😭

This look like something life on our planet would have in their series

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Currently have spinosaurus , Tyrannotitan , Torosaurus and “saurophaganax” in my proceed and buy on Amazon… trying not to click buy 😭🤣

[steep sundial]

When people ask just says its allosaurus 🫡

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When your yangchuanosaurus is bigger than your carcharodontosaurus 💀

[wary heath]

Are they both 1:35 or no

[vapid lotus]

camps theropod

[floral cradle]

you guys seen the dinosaur models of beasts of mesozoic there fire!!!

[outer tusk]

Is Safari LTD triceratops still good?

[minor thistle]

?

[umbral kite]

is that a ampelo in The back ground i see

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Camarasaurus

[little mauve]

The closest evidence would probably be Kaiparowits hadrosaurs feeding on fungally degraded wood https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-11538-w it was probably seasonal behavior and mainly about eating the arthropods living in the wood, the fungus would be a nice bonus though

[minor thistle]

Ohhh this is super interesting, defo gonna check it out.
Thank you!

[little mauve]

You're welcome!

[umbral kite]

in a straight fight no running who winning a giraffe of a allosaurus

[halcyon cobalt]

allosaurus has like a 2 ton weight advantage even if we are going more conservative

[thorn grove]

which species

I should note Allosaurus probably wins regardless but it's a very different fight if it's A. anax or A. europaeus

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It doesn’t have to be Anax , allosaurus still slams

[thorn grove]

Yea that's what I said

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“Probably wins”

[thorn grove]

eh semantics who cares

[zinc solstice]

Could Graciliceratops Possibly climb trees?

[frigid delta]

me when irl Yang is bigger than irl Carcha:

[halcyon cobalt]

me when I’m pretty sure it ain’t

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Me when I don’t know anything

[frigid delta]

jk mate i'm just make fun of the figure size, not their irl size

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W

[sterile trail]

Still mentally recovering from this

[umbral kite]

when i look up a.anax i got a tarantula

also how does this crocadile head look

[sly viper]

Base color is this so it is fairly accurate

[sly viper]

Me when sauropod is lord of the lizard eaters

[umbral kite]

It looks cool but it looks like it pure red maybe add a secondary and maybe a third layer of it like a black or differe t color red

[tough parcel]

It is not accurate at all to Utahraptor

This is a fluffy JP Velociraptor @hardy sentinel

[sly viper]

Like I said fairly

[tough parcel]

But it isn't accurate at all aka nada aka not fairly in the slightest

[sly viper]

Original

[indigo cradle]

JWE Utah raptor is so beautiful tho

[tough parcel]

Honestly this is closer to Primal Carnage Novaraptor than any real animal

[umbral kite]

peak

[cold edge]

And a JP raptor is surprisingly similar to a Utahraptor. You don't need to be needlessly rude about a piece of art; rather than say blanketly saying it's inaccurate, you could point out aspects you find inaccurate, especially seeing as the person is asking about that? I'm comparing the drawing to fossils and it looks quite good to me. The head might be a little short and perhaps the neck could be a little thicker but I don't find it that bad : )

[compact leaf]

he is right it’s not especially similar to utahraptor I didn’t find the response especially rude

[cold edge]

Well then could you point out what's inaccurate? /nm

[vocal kettle]

Tbf it is kinda haed to point out whats wrong

[cold edge]

Then how can you say it's wrong in the first place? /nm

[tough parcel]

Considering I'm not in any position to redline

Note the robustness of the skull. This alone sets it apart from the art because the piece clearly has a triangular head like the Primal Carnage Novaraptor, specifically the feathered variants

A few screenshots and renders of the Nova for comparison

[cold edge]

Okay, I can see the triangular-ness. I think the angle the head is set at obscures the shape and bulkiness a little, but the premax doesn't look too terribly narrow and shallow to me

[vocal kettle]

Fun fact igs hard to judge the robustness or skmething due to the fact dinosaurs are known for cartilage and such so tbh if it was alive the headshape could be anything but the eyes indicate otherwisd, also you have to take in account that you cant base a whole species off of one skeleton, its not so much as a different genus then it is a unique raptor

[tough parcel]

The angle of the head does not change the fact the snout slopes downwards like the JP3 raptors, not a rectangular box like the real Utahraptor

[tough parcel]

Nothing of what you said was true

[vocal kettle]

The feathers seem to indiccate its a closer to a utah then nova

[halcyon cobalt]

cartilage would leave marks in the bone no?

[tough parcel]

No because cartilage does not take up a majority of your skeletal structure unless you are a shark

[vocal kettle]

Yea but thats why its hard to guess how big something is off of the cartilage marks

[tough parcel]

Cartilage affects nothing in reptilian vertebrates except to cushion bending points (joints and vertebra)

[cold edge]

I don't think cartilage leaves marks on the bone, as it's not a harder material like keratin, which does. But I think keratin itself doesn't leave marks, but there's texturing on the bone which is evidence of it being there.

[vocal kettle]

Thats why early palientologists got confused with the triceratops, its hard to guess what something is or what its to look like

[cold edge]

Pretend I was using the correct word there lol

[tough parcel]

That is muscle scarring, not cartilage

And early paleontologists were confused with Triceratops because we had 0 clue what a triceratops was

[halcyon cobalt]

they aren’t confused anymore though since we have better knowledge now

[vocal kettle]

Thats the point though

[tough parcel]

But your point falls apart when you realize the argument of "We don't know anything" is based on nothing or outdated information

[tough parcel]

It is an ignorant excuse that directly invalidates decades of hard scientific research

[vocal kettle]

No the point is its hard to guess what it actually truly looks like off of bones alone

[halcyon cobalt]

maybe like 100 years ago

[tough parcel]

We know a lot more stuff now and it is safe to say the artwork is not accurate to Utahraptor

Again, it's not really close to any known fossil raptor

[cold edge]

Kindly, both of you are leaning a bit too hard into opposite and incorrect directions. There is a lot of things we can know from fossils, including information on coloration and patterning, habitat, diet, and even certain behaviors, but we cannot know everything off of bones alone and to judge just the bones in an exercise in folly.

[vocal kettle]

You can barely see it first of all, second of all the feathers dont match the nova, and if you look at the teeth it pretty closely matches the other known genus of raptors

[tough parcel]

I can actually see it really well 💀

[halcyon cobalt]

teeth are notoriously a good way to identify prehistoric animals

[tough parcel]

Unfortunately the underlying anatomy is very visible so we can judge off of bones!

[vocal kettle]

Thats why i said it matches the genus of raptors after he had said it doesnt look like any othsr raptors

[halcyon cobalt]

he was referring to the skull and bone structure

[cold edge]

I think y'all're taking this way too seriously

[tough parcel]

See the problem

See how different these two are from the art prior?

[vocal kettle]

Teeth are notoriously a good way to identify prehistoric animals (im just arguing to argue its fun)

[halcyon cobalt]

I was being sarcastic

[cold edge]

Idk man, both look like big birds I wouldn't wanna run into

[tough parcel]

If you ask for accuracy judgement, don't handwave it by saying random irrelevant things

Ciao ciao all, gotta wake up early for work

[vocal kettle]

Which lizard wins in a kissing contest ?!

[cold edge]

Learning many things, such as how lighthearted and lowstakes bait isn't as fun as people been saying

I weren't even the one asking for accuracy, mate

[tough parcel]

It's funny if the spectators in the arena aren't liable to take it seriously

[vocal kettle]

Says the evil kitty man

[tough parcel]

Called knowing your audience, a very important part of dropping jokes!

And yes, the evil kitties actually give me full authority to say many things like how Nanotyrannus will be valid

[vocal kettle]

Yutyrannus kisses you better

[tough parcel]

Much unlike the Saurophaganaz

[cold edge]

Damn man, sorry for not being able to grasp your ability for jokes from a ten minute convo

[sullen cairn]

(saurophaganax is technically still valid btw )

[vocal kettle]

Hes being sarcastic now we can chill

[tough parcel]

You're about to find out what happened to Maraapunisaurus bucko

[sullen cairn]

(because it is a nomen dubium and thus can't be outright synonymized with something else)

[cold edge]

There's an unknown bone from the composite that could still be Saurophaganax, if we find more of those in a bigger fossil bed that could be our boy

[vocal kettle]

If a megalania grew wings would it be a dragon

[tough parcel]

Close! It would be a nuclear experiment

[cold edge]

No, but you got scansoriopterygidae!

[halcyon cobalt]

ermmm that’s a wyvern ackshually

[vocal kettle]

🤓

[tough parcel]

Ermmm blows you up with my mind

[storm heron]

Wait its distinct?

[tough parcel]

No brick is just quirky (getting the quote)

[velvet burrow]

Are there remains of a theropod larger than Utahraptor in the yellow cat member?

[cold edge]

Pardon?

[sullen cairn]

there's allosauroid teeth but they're from lower yellow cat as opposed to upper with utah

[velvet burrow]

[tough parcel]

Iirc the idea they were with Utahraptor is because they were washed in from weather

[sullen cairn]

this is true allosauroids are washed

[wraith kindle]

LOL

[velvet burrow]

iirc the fact that said teeth and later allosauroids such as Siats exist implies that there was one with Utahraptor right?

Or at least it was proposed at one point

[wraith kindle]

Not sure what the context is here? Existence of a larger Utahraptor?

[sullen cairn]

unless allosauroids were entirely extirpated from NA that'd be the assumption yeah
but tmk they're absent from upper yellow cat and overlying poison strip so whether that's the result of a legitimate local extirpation or just becoming less common with changes in environment idk

[velvet burrow]

Of a predator larger than Utahraptor in it's environment

[sullen cairn]

i mostly say this because upper yellow cat and posion strip are the only two units without allosauroids and also have utahraptor/utahraptor-like taxa but i doubt there's enough at least published sampling to make any conclusions about that

[storm heron]

Oh, based Brick

[velvet burrow]

Understandable

I ask mainly because the idea of it being an apex predator is cool and kinda makes sense seeing how much of a wrecking ball it was, but then you look at the sizes of contemporary animals and... yikes

[unique estuary]

Think they will ever include Utah in base game? Rather than just in the mods

[velvet burrow]

Achillo is the utah at home so... no

[storm heron]

Aren't there evidence of Allosauroids existing in the same region after Utahraptor's age or?

[sullen cairn]

yup

[storm heron]

So wouldn't it be possible that there was an Allosauroid that co-existed with Utahraptor?

[unique estuary]

Is the top most recent?

[velvet burrow]

.

[sullen cairn]

yeah its definitely possible

[hardy sentinel]

so what was the verdict from earlier about this being scientifically accurate or not?

[velvet burrow]

Beef the head up

[wraith kindle]

Yes, that’s how stratigraphy works. Unless you’re working with folded belts, in which case, it can get flipped.

[hardy sentinel]

The main reason Dromeosaurids got so big in some enviorments is due to lack of a larger carnivore. Utahraptor is the largest carnivore in it's formation. If there was an Allosauroid it would be a smaller member of the family and would fill a more fox-like role compared to more popular, larger Allosauroids

[velvet burrow]

That or it would've been able to fill the role of the second largest carnivore

[tough parcel]

No

[hardy sentinel]

I'm sure we would have found one sooner or later, but in the last 48 years nothing has come up except for more Utahraptor (to my knowledge). I do understand that within the same formation there are larger predators, but in the exact ecosystem and area Utahraptor lived, nothing bigger that primarily eats meat there

[storm heron]

I am pretty sure we do not know if that is the main reason Utahraptor got big. And Utahraptor can easily co-exist with a larger Carcharadontosaurid.

[velvet burrow]

That's also true

[hardy sentinel]

If a larger Allosauroid was introduced, maybe, but I don't think they would exactly be getting larger in the presence of a megatheropod

but as it stands AS OF THIS MOMENT, Utahraptor was the large hypercarnivore in it's respective ecosystem

[velvet burrow]

If there isn't a second megatheropod, it could probably still grow to such dimensions
I mean Achillobator is right there, which lived with the slightly larger (if not similar sized) Alectrosaurus

[storm heron]

We have Allosauroids existing before and after Utahraptor in roughly the similar-ish region (I think?). And while it makes sense Utahraptor grew due to lack or limited amount of larger theropods, I dont think we are sure if that is exactlu the case.

[wraith kindle]

Maybe it was just an environment where the larger predators couldn’t perform as well? I dunno.

@velvet burrow Achillo lived on an entirely different continent.

Speaking of, the Raptor Red book portrayed Utahraptor as descendants of immigrants from Asia, don’t know how accurate that is for the time period since the first Asian immigration came much later.

[hardy sentinel]

I don't think it's a coincidence that the only time we haven't found a megatheropod at the same time as Utahraptor, perhaps an extinction event and lack of a megatheropod is the reason Utahraptor was able to even exist in the first place

[velvet burrow]

... huh?

[storm heron]

I believe the big Dromeaosaurid from Ubekizstan co-existed with an Allosauroid? Ulughbegsaurus (possibly dubious), but still that indicates that large Dromeaosaurids can get big even with larger theropods around.

[hardy sentinel]

If you could name the Dromeosaurid then I would love to look it up, But as smjjames said, Utahraptor may have been in a unique situation where megatheropods couldn't exist there or went exinct

[storm heron]

Yea I do not deny the possibility that Utahraptor could have been the largest carnivourous theropod in its environment during its time, but it is also possible it wasn't. The big dromeaosaurid is known as the big Bissekty Dromeaosaurid (from the Bissekty formation, known from an toe bone).

[hardy sentinel]

Isn't that the one that was larger than the Tyrannosaurids in it's area?

[storm heron]

Timurlengia, and I believe so (But then again it is known from a single toe)

[wraith kindle]

I think I recall an acrocanthosaurus from the book? But then they kind of journey all over the place.

@sir.spicyy Lol, that’s a big raptor for sure.

Could Utahraptor have been an immigrant from Asia or at least descended?

[hardy sentinel]

I think that for these kind of arguments, we should remove this raptor from the equation due to it literally being able to go both ways

[storm heron]

Unless there was a major extinction event that wiped out Allosauroids before Utahraptor's time (in which case, where did the Allosauroids afterwards come from?), I can easily see Utahraptor co-existing with one during its time. But its also very possible it didn't co-exist with one.

[wraith kindle]

Isn’t Siats an allosaurid? Yes it came much later, I see that.

[velvet burrow]

Ye

[hardy sentinel]

Utahraptor could have just been isolated, other Allosauroids existed in different places at the same time in nearby formations. Possible they could have migrated or a relative evolved into one

[storm heron]

Unless there was a major geological barrier seperating them, animals travel.

[wraith kindle]

Which side of the Cretaceous midcontinent seaway are we talking about here?

Also, did a big post get made only for automod to slap it? I swear I saw something.

[hardy sentinel]

Before PoT thought I said a swear, I was saying it takes hundereds of generations and millions of years to move. And if conditions stayed the same for Megatheropods to not evolve in the same area as Utahraptor then I assume it was prob alone

[hardy sentinel]

yeah, I said our genus name and automod slammed it into the ground and made my message bite the curb

[wraith kindle]

Our genus moved around pretty quick, relatively speaking.

[storm heron]

Animals in general can cover a wide range. Just look at Tyrannosaurus and Acrocanthosaurus's range in North America (or pretty much many animals today). So if there were Allosauroids in nearby regions during the same time, its possible they would have met Utahraptor or its relatives (unless there were major geological barriers that prevented them from doing so).

[hardy sentinel]

exactly, so how long do you think it would take a non arboreal species to move a long distance to an area where megatheropods probably couldn't survive

[storm heron]

Though the main thing is whether Utahraptor could evolve to get as big as it is while co-existing with a larger carnivore, which is something I think we do not conclusive know.

[hardy sentinel]

we also don't have proof that it or other relatives could. We have evidence of the large Dromeosaurids co-existing with similar sized ones but not with towering megatheropods

[wraith kindle]

Still, even now, animals can move quite large distances on a human timescale, at least when you’re talking about large animals.

Still, animals would take time to become fully established in an area.

Are there any smaller Allosaurids that co existed with Utahraptor?

[hardy sentinel]

not to my knowledge (also it's oids, not ids. Oids refers to the larger group, which includes Charchs and proper Allosaurs)

[velvet burrow]

No
... come to think of it small allosauroids are kinda rare

Also since Saurophaganax isn't a thing ig it also tanked the allosauridae family

[wraith kindle]

Autocorrect keeps wanting to say allosauroidea.

[hardy sentinel]

Allosauroids are known to be larger theropods, which is relatively rare, even in Tyrannosauroidea and Maniraptora

[storm heron]

I mean, depends on how you define "large" (E.g. Metriacanthosaurus, Lourinhasaurus). Certainly large, but I don't think it is the large we are referring to.

[wraith kindle]

Conc though…. And metri

[velvet burrow]

"Large"as in top order predators, rather than mesopredators

[hardy sentinel]

top order? You mean apex predators?

[wraith kindle]

Assumedly.

[velvet burrow]

Ye

[wraith kindle]

Allosaurus needs to be an apex in PoT.

[storm heron]

Well, "Apex" predator is a broad term that does not nessecarily correlate with size. A ~1000kg Allosauroid co-existing with Utahraptor can still be an "Apex".

[hardy sentinel]

Yeah, Allosauroids are known to be large, and relatively speaking there are less small Allosauroids than larger ones to my knowledge

[wraith kindle]

And yes, i know the ingame term is used differently.

[stiff osprey]

jury's still open on whether any allosauroid at all coexisted with utahraptor since every proposed yellow cat carch is actually from different layers

[hardy sentinel]

but as of right now, it's just our big feathery friend

[storm heron]

I guess it comes down to how we define "large" and "small". Because you have Concavenator, Lajasvenator, Shaochilong, etc

[velvet burrow]

I mean pretty much every "large tier" carnivore in PoT is an apex in it's own environment (now including allo)

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isnt utah from the cretaceous period ? allosaurus made it out of the jurassic period?

[stiff osprey]

giganotosaurus is an allosauroid (as is every other carch)

[storm heron]

Not Alloasurus, Allosauroid.

[hardy sentinel]

Allosauroids, Allosaurus proper is jurassic. Allosauroids are Allosaurs and Charchs (and some close relatives)

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thought they meant allosaurus in genereal

[wraith kindle]

Allosaurus proper, no, but its relatives and descendants did.

[velvet burrow]

Random Random if you had to give an answer what would it be? 🎙️

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i was speed reading earlier , guess i misread

[stiff osprey]

i'd say no because it would be funnier if allosauroids just vanish from north america for 15 million years and then come back

[storm heron]

In terms of whether a certain creature co-existed with another, I am more curious of how common or widespread Sinoceratops or relatives were in Mongolian or Chinese regions at the time, since it is the only Asian Ceratopsid atm.

[hardy sentinel]

I mean Sauropods did too but it was for longer iirc

[velvet burrow]

I mean sauropods already did it

[storm heron]

Its as if someone dropped a large Ceratopsid in Asia randomly, like where did they come from

[hardy sentinel]

My guess on that is we haven't found fossils due to preservation bias

[wraith kindle]

What was the general environment? Seems to have lasted quite a while b3cause there’s a Cf. Utahraptor n at the top of the poison strip sandstone.

[stiff osprey]

sauropods do vanish from NA for a while but that's +40 million years after utahraptor

[velvet burrow]

So it was the allos who (possibly) did the funny first and the sauropods are the copycats

[hardy sentinel]

I was making a joke about how stuff randomly dissapeared from places and then returned like nothing happened

[stiff osprey]

oh ok

I guess it's possible they were in north america but just not in utah specifically, like how lions historically were found everywhere around the sahara but not inside it

[wraith kindle]

What was the general environment, like floodplains? Arid? Forest? For where Utahraptor lived.

[umbral kite]

how accurate is this

[wraith kindle]

Not sure if it’s supposed to be a club to the nuts kind of hit or something else?

A club to the nuts is unlikely, but not impossible.

Or maybe what are you asking is accurate there?

[umbral kite]

also who think they should make a ultimasaurus mod for pot

[outer tusk]

this has nothing to do with paleontology!

[tall prawn]

@outer tusk

[outer tusk]

Yeah?

[tall prawn]

what is x= 5.7x(13.45/11.7)^3

[outer tusk]

Bro am not doing some stupid ass math equation on Christmas break 😭

[minor thistle]

uh, 0?
Also that ain't paleontology

[tall prawn]

im trying to scale the unpublished meraxes specimen but for some reason when i tried to scale it a second time it messed up and got 0

[outer tusk]

0

[minor thistle]

ah
mb

[compact osprey]

8,65933

[wraith kindle]

Just plug that into Wulfram Alpha or something.

[tall prawn]

is meraxes length 11.4 or 11.7

[outer tusk]

11.7

[tall prawn]

ok

[plucky basin]

Am i stupid for thinking that kulindadromeus lived in the campanian/maastrichtian of canada

[sudden wind]

I love how everyone trying to scale this fella goes by 15% longer or whatever idk. I'd go with 15% heavier tbf because mass is the metric establishing if something is bigger or not, else you'd have jellyfish bigger than blue whales.

Currently, Meraxes is estimated to be 5.5 tons so a 15% larger specimen would be 6.3 tons, resulting is a slightly larger fella (I don't know how much longer it would get though).

[sudden wind]

I suppose that's the mass estimate if you go by the hypothesis that the fella is 15% longer.

If I go by 15% heavier, I find an animal that's 12.1 meters long.

With Giganotosaurus holotype being ~12.2 meters long, this seems much more likely imo.

[warped peak]

Tbf, stating a specimen without many measurements is 15% heavier would be odd

[sudden wind]

True, but anyway any estimation would be odd given that there isn't any measurements yet. Could be some femoral bullsh*t again.

But if you go by 15% larger/longer and in similar size class to Giganotosaurus you indeed end up with the 13.7 meters titan that weight almost 8 tons and half. So it isn't any better.

[sacred whale]

I’ll just drop this here and give me you opinion

[plucky basin]

Historically accurate, i like 👍

[sudden wind]

Here is the abstract btw.

So I really do wonder what they go by wiht 15% larger given how much they have found.

[lavish frigate]

The only two places one sees this image outside paleontology circles is your local bible church and your local conspiracy Reddit group.

I love that image 💀

[sudden wind]

It also can depend on what Giganotosaurus estimate they are using cause it's probably not Dan's Giga GDI that every discord paleonerd goes by.

[wraith kindle]

Pretty sure it's based on a joke that got taken a little too seriously.

[vapid lotus]

generally paleontologists will mean linear dimensions when they say that

[stiff osprey]

paleontologists also don't use Sergi's Meraxes skeletal, the published estimate does not lend a Giganotosaurus sized animal if upsized 15% in mass

[tall prawn]

why dont paleos use it

[pseudo harbor]

Anyone know some modern day birds similar to hesperonis

[vapid lotus]

to be fair, we dunno how specific they are when they say "similar in size to giganotosaurus"

[wraith kindle]

Cormorants probably? Auks might be closer, but, you know, extinct.

[vapid lotus]

because they are cringe normies who aren't a part of the based discord servers

[sudden wind]

Flightless cormorants, loons, grebes.

[tall prawn]

and is there a published estimate on the second meraxes size estimate

[wraith kindle]

I was thinking seabirds specifically though.

[vapid lotus]

15% larger than the first

[tall prawn]

ye its 8.6 tonnes and 13.4 meters

[vapid lotus]

if it scales directly to the first yeah

[tall prawn]

but do we know how complete the second specimen is

[vapid lotus]

in the abstract they talk about the bones found

[sudden wind]

Right pectoral girdle, forelimb and hindlimb.

[tall prawn]

so idk how complete it is but is it reiable?

[vapid lotus]

no its dead

[tall prawn]

so ig i shoudlnt use it 😭

[sudden wind]

I suppose they use the hindlimbs because this is what this Meraxes specimen has in common with Giganotosaurus (and that's what is the most commonly used for scaling iirc).

Thanks Franoys for showing us what is preserved for Giga 🙏

[vapid lotus]

i mean its still pretty useful, you would be able to build a fort out of it probably

[fluid inlet]

Gigs solos

[wraith kindle]

Bone fort when.

[umbral kite]

This image ain’t accurate they shoot sonic wave beam out of there crest plus stop such non accurate imagery pls as a para lover this hurts

[real swan]

General chat reminder to remain polite and respectful towards each other and do not provoke or antagonize other users. Refer to our ⁠#rules.

[umbral kite]

the answer is 8.659326667865455

[ornate mauve]

Paleontology Question. Was The ceratosaurus a Canibal

A. Yes

B. No

Answers. A is the Correct answer.

[fluid inlet]

I’m say B

[tough parcel]

It was C actually

Nothing but fodder for the more evolved and superior Allosaurus

[polar scroll]

Most likely both options,it honestly likely depended on the conditions a ceratosaurus could´ve been facing.
In some cases,they would indeed occur for cannibalism,but most likely hunted other dinosaurs. (i might be wrong,but idk)

[wary heath]

Ceratosaurus was probably a very uncommon animal for it's time

[wraith kindle]

Not a fort, but yea, lol.

[thorn grove]

Basically all carnivorous animals will resort to cannibalism when conditions are harsh enough. I'd imagine calling any carnivore in specific a cannibal would relate to how frequently they do so, but not only is that distinction arbitrary, but essentially impossible to determine even for theropods much better represented than Ceratosaurus.

[sudden wind]

✨ fossil bias ✨

[sudden wind]

What sort of evidences do we have ? Like do we have rackling teeth marks against bones or something ?

[little mauve]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0233115 yes we have extensive feeding traces on Morrison fossils, including on Ceratosaurus. Difficult to ID the maker though

In all likelihood they were cannibals to some degree or another, it's pretty common in archosaurs and diapsids more generally

[fossil ingot]

Likely smaller

[fossil ingot]

Giga Holotype is 12.7m and 8.47t

[sudden wind]

12.8 if you prefer but eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhh

[sudden wind]

This paper specifically talks about Allosaurus fossils with teeth marks on their bones. Which theropod did them is unclear but the 2 main suspects are Allosaurus and Ceratosaurus. The cannibalism interpretation is only valid if this was done by Allosaurus.

[fossil ingot]

Nah its 12.7m, maybe 12.8m if you do some small rounding.
All we know is that its said to be similar size to the Giga Holotype and that its likely bulkier than Mapu
Thats kinda it
15% is kinda vague

[sudden wind]

12.76 is closer to 12.8 than 12.7 so I round it to the higher.

But anyway this is very much nitpicky.

[fossil ingot]

Like, this guy doesn't has muvh anyways and getting a proper size is complicated
(Atleast its bulkier than Mapu so W)

[sudden wind]

I personally calculated 12.2 if holotype is indeed 11.7 and 5.5 tons. But you get a 6.3 tons animal if you go by 15% heavier.

[fossil ingot]

Tmk is just 12.7m flat

[fossil ingot]

From what I have been Told and like I showed from my converdation with someone previously
Holotype for Meraxes is more 10.7-10.8m rather than the 11.4-11.7m one that Sergi uses

[sudden wind]

Uh

[stiff osprey]

that seems too small for a 165mm dorsal vert

I think they just took the skeletal from the paper and reposed it, but paper skeletals are not very good in general

[tall forge]

Baryonx look so silly to me idk why

[round hedge]

Bc he got dat long face

[tall forge]

True

It's like a spino that didn't get its spine lol ( I think)

[hardy sentinel]

Can someone pull apart this article and tell me everything right and wrong about it? I just wanna make sure I am getting frustrated at it for a reason
https://hoasrc.com/2023/03/09/paleoartists-are-controlling-what-you-know-about-dinosaurs-part-3/

[round hedge]

Yeah, only difference being size, location and the tail shape being different

But honestly, sucho is more related to spino not only bc they both lived in what is now North Affrica, but they both had a sail, sucho's, albeit, quite small, and he still lacked the tadpole-like tail that the spino had

[fossil ingot]

They did/made another skeletal tmk
And actually will update its neck position cause Tauro spawned

Theres also the fact the guy has went and checked stuff related to Meraxes and Giga itself on person(tmk he also gave Dan Info for his Giga)

Tho you can ask @white matrix himself tbh

[scenic flame]

"home owner's association science"??

[broken shale]

[thorn grove]

iirc the debate has leaned pretty heavily in favor of lipped Theropods recently, so that article is just outdated since the most recent paper it references is from 2017, with a sort of handwavy "some paleontologists disagree."

The overall point that reconstructions aren't what the dinosaur looked like but rather the artist's opinion on what it looked like is completely true though, albeit he's leaning too hard into the "we don't really know what they looked like" angle when evidence is pretty conclusive about certain topics.

I know you wanted a more thorough breakdown but the article seems mostly reasonable, just leans too hard into ignorance-maxing.

[umbral kite]

where utah pack hunter and a harem or did they share them or did they just hunt animals around or smaller than them

[sudden wind]

Unknown when it comes to how complex the social behaviors would have been

[umbral kite]

what genus is the terror bird and giant moa related too

[hardy sentinel]

Thank god I got angry for a reason

[sudden wind]

Terror birds is a common name given to large Phorusrhacids. Moas closest relatives are tinamous.

[lone zephyr]

well actually they wouldve used iron man suits

[lone zephyr]

theres loads of terror birds be specific

but the most famous and commonly referred to genus of terror bird is either kelenken or titanis

[sacred whale]

😂😂😂

[wraith kindle]

There's one I vaguely remember, but I can't quite recall the name, D something, Dimetrys, something like that?

I looked in wiki and I don't see the name I'm trying to remember. Might have been from a different group?

[stiff osprey]

Diatryma, is a gastornithiform not a phorusrhacid

[wraith kindle]

DIatryma, yeah, that one.

And yea, no wonder it's not in the list of extinct flightless birds, it's a synonym of Gastornis now. At least the validity of it is contested.

Aren't those sometimes called terror birds? That's why I thought of it.

[little mauve]

My mistake I thought they mentioned both, thanks for clarifying!

[steady rock]

is protoceratops pet sized

[wraith kindle]

Can sheeps and goats be pets?

[steady rock]

i believe so?

[wraith kindle]

Then you've answered your question. They're also large dog sized kinda.

[umbral kite]

im trying to figure out wat what genus of bird it is

Gastornis gigantea Is wat i was looking for

[wraith kindle]

Well, the Giant Moa is from an entirely different infraorder.

[umbral kite]

I was jmtrying to just find the largest non flying prehistoric bird that y

[wraith kindle]

'k

[steady rock]

i wanna say the giant moa...is it the same bird as the elephant bird? i forgot

[compact leaf]

it actually got pulled back out recently

[fluid inlet]

Torvosaurus victim

[fossil ingot]

Biggest Allosaurus Anax victim

[tulip stream]

does anax mean pot allo can stay a big boy?

[tulip stream]

nah they're different species but the elephant bird is the largest

if you wanna go by tallest the giant moa is the tallest

[fossil ingot]

Hopefully, Technically you can Make POT Allo bigger now(bigger than Sucho)

[tulip stream]

yeah I'd rather keep allo the size it is

[stable sun]

French Megalosaurid victim

[umbral kite]

no all torvo had it coming as soon as they hatched they Deserve to get bullied and worst

[fossil ingot]

Is that thing even bigger than 6.5t?

I see it range from 11.4-12.30m and 5.56-6.32
Inconsistant guy smh

[hallow spear]

it could always stay that size

[tulip stream]

https://tenor.com/view/persona-persona-4-kronk-emperor's-new-groove-true-gif-1235218621903929184

[fluid inlet]

Lokiceratops has been unlocked

[brave nova]

Just finished up with this

[obsidian tulip]

10.4t rex while not using the right skeletal

[brave nova]

Could not find a good Scotty skeletal for the life of me. Sues is honestly good enough there’s a 100kg difference between the 2

[obsidian tulip]

no Randoms sue is just 10000 kg

[brave nova]

I asked em. The pelvis was undersized. It’s now 10300kg

[obsidian tulip]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaat 10.3t sue

[brave nova]

[balmy oyster]

the listing is also a bit off, A. anax & meraxes are missing

I'm also certain that mcraeensis wasn't 9t, at least with lancian's reconstruction of it.

[brave nova]

Thing with that Scotty is that I’m not 100% that the cartilage is taken into account which then makes for a smaller looking skeletal without it

[balmy oyster]

you can feasibly add a little more cartilage

other than that this skeletal is pretty much the best you can get regarding scotty

[brave nova]

I left them out of the comparison deliberately until I get good Skeletals of them. I included the weights there as those are the weights I confirmed with random

[fossil ingot]

1. Why is TTT so Small
2. Why is Dentary Giga even there
3. Spino was GDI to 7.8 tons tmk
4. Why is Torvo 4.8t
5. Why is Anax 4.9t
6. Sucho can range from 5.4-5.6 depending the skeketal used
7. Meraxes Giga is to vague to use tbh
8. Carcha can be 8.2-8.4

[fossil ingot]

When was that said?

[hardy sentinel]

Are raptors supposedly evolutionarily "designed" to be big game hunters? I mean we have fossil evidience of a solitary Velociraptor going for a 200 pound Protoceratops. And also the one ton Tenontosaurus that was possibly being hunted by 6-10 Deinonychus. Also we know that Achillobator and Utahraptor lived with prey items that were very much larger than them

[brave nova]

TT is the recent random skeletal of it. All the weights were what I confirmed with em a couple days ago before finishing it

[brave nova]

Asked them earlier today

[balmy oyster]

fair, but if they're not going to be included then maybe you should probably leave them out of the listing for now or stick with the current best skeletals

at least for meraxes, I believe randomdinos re-scaled anax

[fossil ingot]

Random's TTT should still be around 7.3 tons
Unless TTT got that much skinnier cause it hasn't change weight wise
And Spino been that High is weird
The GDI of Random's Spino was 7.85t tmk with a 3ad Model that made it 8.15-8.30t

[balmy oyster]

the second largest is anax I believe

[fossil ingot]

Use the cursed one

[brave nova]

I believed that TT was around 7.5 at first but upon asking random I was told 6.7.
With spino I was also told 7.7-8.5 but for the purpose of this comparison I used the higher estimates for them all

[balmy oyster]

you could but it most likely won't be correct.

[minor thistle]

Since when were you here

[sullen cairn]

not that i actually care about 500kg difference in carchotitanus biggus but isnt 6700kg exactly what you'd expect from random's tyrannotitan scaling down from an 8.2t carch

[balmy oyster]

I was here a long time ago but left, but then re-joined because a lot of hot paleo topics get brought here

[minor thistle]

Ah, I never noticed you.

[brave nova]

Yea it is, but I’m waiting for a lone skeletal to be made which hopefully shouldn’t take too long (I hope)

[balmy oyster]

tbf didn't random say they made TTT first then scaled it up with carcha

[hardy sentinel]

Are raptors supposedly evolutionarily "designed" to be big game hunters? I mean we have fossil evidience of a solitary Velociraptor going for a 200 pound Protoceratops. And also the one ton Tenontosaurus that was possibly being hunted by 6-10 Deinonychus. Also we know that Achillobator and Utahraptor lived with prey items that were very much larger than them. Were there any adaptations for this or was it just behavior wise that they went for larger prey with or without a group?

[sullen cairn]

well yeah but like if we assume the carch model is some 8.2t it works both ways

[brave nova]

Looking from This yea I’ll swap sue out

[fossil ingot]

Ima summin @stiff osprey so questions can be answered

[balmy oyster]

or just use this lul

[brave nova]

I’d be found xd. I could just scale it down to what it should be but

[balmy oyster]

you don't need to, I just did

[sullen cairn]

if this can have balerion colossus can it have megamonstro too

[brave nova]

Oh. Fair nuff

[outer tusk]

NO WHAT DID I MISS!

[balmy oyster]

also giga is 10t but its the size of the ~8t one?

[hardy sentinel]

Can someone address this? I'm really curious

[fossil ingot]

Dentary Giga can burn smh
Bro has less Material than Big Anax

[balmy oyster]

then make the size the holotype

[outer tusk]

Here's a good reference for MUCPv-95

[stiff osprey]

who ping

[brave nova]

🤷‍♂️ I asked for the giga for it and I was given said giga

[balmy oyster]

you summoned them come here now

[fossil ingot]

Me🫡(Yes I was finally unmuted)

[outer tusk]

or if you're still willing to use MUCPb-95 just use SIW

[sullen cairn]

its kind of funny how much the mindnumbing carch discussions revolve entirely around random

[balmy oyster]

yeah Spino's giga skeletal is pretty good

[fossil ingot]

Basically question regarding TTT becoming 6.7t from 7.3t and Sue apparently been 10.3t

[stiff osprey]

it's like tagging sisyphus to discuss boulder mechanics

[sullen cairn]

fun fact if sue gets 3% heavier than one volumetric estimate she will explode into a million pieces

[fossil ingot]

[outer tusk]

where did bro get 6.7 tonnes from

[stiff osprey]

Tyrannotitan is 6.7t because that's what you get isometrically scaling down from my Carch

[outer tusk]

ah my apologies, sir'

[stiff osprey]

7.3 t tyrannotitan would require a 9t carch

[stable sun]

you forgot a very large Megaraptoran called Bahariasaurus ingens

[stable sun]

as well as the Bolivian 1456 meter long Megaraptoran based on footprint

[balmy oyster]

oh boy my favorite glupshitto north african megatheropod

[fossil ingot]

Let bro then 9t then /j

Also another question, did Torvo lost weight? (From 5.2 to 4.8)
And regarding 10.3t Sue?

[brave nova]

Unreliable weight so not included

[wraith kindle]

I think you forgot a decimal there.....

[stiff osprey]

4.8 is the estimate you get using the supposedly elvis-accurate shorter version

[stable sun]

You have Spino, Sigil and dentary Giga in there

[brave nova]

Ok here’s it with Scotty

[stiff osprey]

don't mind torvo he's the world's second biggest bahariasaurus fan

[sullen cairn]

tbf sigil being big literally has like zero impact on anything ever because its spinosaurus #2 in any case

[outer tusk]

can I use SIW's 8t TTT because I like it more?

[wraith kindle]

Over a thousand meters though?

[sullen cairn]

i wish people were this invested in hadrosaur scaling

[stable sun]

rommel (>13.5 t Sue guy) is apparently saying TTT had wider more Tyrannosaur like ribs so go ahead

[fossil ingot]

Ok and Regarding Mcracensis?
Tmk it became Smaller with Lancian's Skeletal?

[outer tusk]

ew rommel!

[stable sun]

No the 7387 meters were for the Bolivian Megaraptoran based on footprint

[balmy oyster]

all it needs is a rounded back and it should be solid

[wraith kindle]

What the bs with the numbers?

[stable sun]

Also here's my Sauropodomorph phylogeny tree

[stiff osprey]

mcraensis has a dentary toothrow 98% the size of scotty's so if his skeletal is less than 9t i'm afraid that's because it is wrong

[stable sun]

Paper skull recon is 1.35 m

[sullen cairn]

tbf wankel also has a toothrow longer than scotty so maybe we should give up on mcraeensis

[stiff osprey]

Or he just scaled it to the lacrimal which is not the largest specimen

[stable sun]

Also here's my theropod phylogeny tree

[winter marsh]

I cant read bruh

[stiff osprey]

it's a tall file, open in browser

[stable sun]

Click open in browser

[brave nova]

Do u happen to have the 10t one?

[stable sun]

I'm making fun of thepaleofreak

[winter marsh]

hmm nice

[brave nova]

Cause I asked and was provided with em and apparently he’s the smaller one

[stiff osprey]

just take the 8t one and make it 6.5% larger

[stable sun]

It's 6.6% random how could you make such a big mistake

[fossil ingot]

SO how big iz Mcraensis?
Cause I see ppl givinv Paper Skukl recon of 1.35m
Another saying The Wankel Specinen gas a longer Toothgrow then Scotty and then Random's Saying the Toothgrow makes it big
Man I am consufed smh

[stiff osprey]

noooo

[brave nova]

Oh I’m 100% gonna butcher tryna make it bigger. Wish me luck lol

[balmy oyster]

Kuit posted it already

[stable sun]

could you add the 13 m Megaraptoran based on footprint

[outer tusk]

I literally just posted it

[brave nova]

Oh I completely missed it. I shall return

[stiff osprey]

welcome to fragmentary animal scaling people will have different opinions about it

[sullen cairn]

i think we should just like give up on getting a concrete estimate for a partial dentary and two crummy posterior skull bones

[wraith kindle]

Ok

[outer tusk]

I 😍 Chilantaisaurus tashikouensis

[stable sun]

also apparently there's a 1.28 m ornithopod footprint from Maastrichtian Pakistan

[brave nova]

[stable sun]

it also apparently is sauropod i think

[balmy oyster]

there's gigahippodraco, satan's beloved pet

[outer tusk]

offtopic but with what we have currently could you say austroraptor is a "semi-aqautic" why or why not

[stable sun]

i also love uncertain incomplete taxa known from like a few bones

[fossil ingot]

Lets make a 9m Carcha then

[wraith kindle]

Pycno for example?

[stable sun]

no that one is unambiguously Abelisaurid

[outer tusk]

peak

[sullen cairn]

pycno is exponentially better than three skull bones

oh wait that was in comparison to chilantai not mcrae

[outer tusk]

9 meters carcharodontosaurus? that's pretty short

[fossil ingot]

Lets downscale Meraxes caus eI hate it now

[stable sun]

Carcharodontosaurus but it was given the GAT Allosaurus caudal count

[fossil ingot]

Eocarcharia sized Carcha

[stable sun]

Sauroniops is that but in reverse

[outer tusk]

peak

[stable sun]

it's also 0.89 of a skull bone so not amazing

[fossil ingot]

Maip but bulkier, Heavier and Edgier

[winter marsh]

better Maip

[stable sun]

This doesn't use Siats for some reason

i can tell it by the proportionally short vertebral centra

[outer tusk]

Btw should I change anything for detail?

[brave nova]

Ok giga is in

[fossil ingot]

Yuh

[mellow prism]

three footprints*

[fossil ingot]

Bro is 1m longer than Carcha but now is just Carcha height smh

[stable sun]

oh no the 17589 m Megaraptoran based on three footprints guy

[mellow prism]

no no no no no

[brave nova]

Anything to make carcha look smaller (I’m a spino glazer. Carcha is an opp)

[stable sun]

there's no evidence Carcharodontosaurus didn't have an incredibly oversized head proportionally and wasn't 5 m

[mellow prism]

add this

[fossil ingot]

Spino still dies to the All Powerful Carcharodontosaur

[brave nova]

[scenic flame]

ew is that footprint scaling

[stable sun]

Add this

[outer tusk]

yeah you also gonna add sauroniops

[brave nova]

Nuh uh the mighty spinosaurus clears

[mellow prism]

yes, please no prejudices

[fossil ingot]

Also, just for the troll.
Use Random's Carcha but updated with Giga's Tail and Tauro's Neck

[stable sun]

Bill Cipher solos

[mellow prism]

x62 is like 15m scaled to it

[brave nova]

[fossil ingot]

Why is bro heavier than my Goat

[stable sun]

14.3 m I think

[brave nova]

Hydrogen bomb v coughing baby (bill is the baby 🗣️)

[brave nova]

U see. Having tyrannosaur in the name just upscales it

[stable sun]

okay but the baby in gravity falls can warp universes so Bill wins

[brave nova]

But u see, it’s not that baby, just a regular baby

[stable sun]

Eotyrannus is thus the greatest theropod ever

[fossil ingot]

Add this Totally reliable guys

[bitter quest]

Isn't this sauroniops upsized I remember it being smaller

[brave nova]

For the fun of it ima add Rudy to the comparison

[frigid delta]

guys...
huh???

[fossil ingot]

Totally reliable

[balmy oyster]

You can’t reasonably scale sauroniops with eocarcharia so you have to rely on the other best things

[outer tusk]

Let's be honest it's not like it matters as it's jist a frontal lobe bone that can be scaled at will

[brave nova]

From what I’ve learnt just don’t trust Sauro scaling. I’ve seen it at 2.8t and 9t

[stable sun]

Sauroniops has largest frontal out of all Carcharodontosaurids

[balmy oyster]

Tibia is but caudals belong to something significantly smaller

Plus I’m certain that iguanacolossus didn’t look like a species of iguanadon, skeletal needs some touchups

[fossil ingot]

Bro doesn't get the joke

[balmy oyster]

Okay but it’s still real

[stable sun]

2.8 t is based on nothing
like you can't actually get that result

[mellow prism]

I had to do it myself...

[stable sun]

is this baha or 57274 m Bolivian Megaraptoran

[mellow prism]

the better one

[fossil ingot]

Lol

[stable sun]

i never thought I'd see an even more garbage Giant Megaraptoran than Bahariasaurus but here we are

[fossil ingot]

Brazilian Carch better

[stable sun]

megazillaraptoran

[mellow prism]

never

[balmy oyster]

There’s also the giant Bary and gigahippo

[stable sun]

there's an 18 m Carcharodontosaurid in theropod database and that's even larger than this

[mellow prism]

and so I made it with extremely large feet and it is only 11.2m

[balmy oyster]

Pretty sure this thing is a bit smaller

[fossil ingot]

The group of the cursed

[stable sun]

that's what i said

Gomez is like 16 m, Ultraacro is 18 m

[mellow prism]

at least my thing isnt sauropod

[stable sun]

Mortimer told me the verts look theropod

[mellow prism]

any specifics

[bitter quest]

Little off topic but have 3d printed dunk

before you ask yes the jaws move

[mellow prism]

they seem apneumatic iirc but at the same time they are incomplete so

[bitter quest]

The unknown you can say

[mellow prism]

to pogadali

[stable sun]

also the caudal can't be titanosaur because it isn't procoelous

[brave nova]

[sullen cairn]

and so shaochilong caudals of putative association and allosaurus caudal measurement of questionable veracity remain brazil's only saving grace

[mellow prism]

its smaller than it can be (larger estimate is 13m)

[stable sun]

It's 16 m because Acrocanthosaurus

[stable sun]

also DINO 2560 is actually 12-13 m so your wrong

[mellow prism]

so maybe ornitischia or other pterosauria

[stable sun]

23 cm pterosaur caudal

[brave nova]

Ok now that’s the correct one. (Not sure if I sent this one yet)

[fluid inlet]

Based username fr

[mellow prism]

noo, its not the correct one, please fix it

[fluid inlet]

6 of these are carcharodontosaurids , 🔥

[stable sun]

Change Spinosaurus aegyptiacus to Spinosaurinae indet.

[stable sun]

7
Giga
Mera
Carch
Mapu
Ttt
Tauro
Acro

[brave nova]

I’m not adding it

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I was about to correct myself, carcharodontosaurids are for sure the most successful family of theropods

[mellow prism]

specific epithet - small letter

[brave nova]

[stable sun]

the others are:

• Tyrannosaurid (Tyrannosaurus x2, Tarbosaurus)
• Spinosaurid (Spinosaurus, Sigilmassasaurus, Cristatusaurus)
• Allosaurid (A. anax)
• Megalosaurid (T. tanneri)

[stable sun]

Live abelisauridae reaction

they literally existed in middle Jurassic and survived all the way until Maastrichtian

[brave nova]

Sucho 😭 and Mcraeensis

[fluid inlet]

Idc

[stable sun]

Why

[mellow prism]

please, my eyes..

[stable sun]

Sucho was lumped into Cristatusaurus and mcraeensis* became Tyrannosaurus 2

[stable sun]

True

[brave nova]

I’m not sure on either of those. I’ve never seen Sucho lumped into cristatusaurus and mcraeensis as of 2 days ago is still its own tyrannosaur

[brave nova]

Wym?

[mellow prism]

.

[stable sun]

1. That one was a joke but it's possible
2. mcraeensis is literally Tyrannosaurus wdym

[brave nova]

I’m unsure on what u mean 🧍‍♂️

[stable sun]

Tyrannosaurus rex not Tyrannosaurus Rex

[fluid inlet]

Tyrannotitan not tyrannosaurus

[brave nova]

I don’t even know. The way u said it has confused me

[stable sun]

what

[fossil ingot]

Cf is bigger and is the one of the skeletal so

[stable sun]

Specifically Tyrannotitan chubutensis not Tyrannotitan Chubutensis

[fluid inlet]

TTT

[stable sun]

That's also Spinosaurinae indet. (see Chiarenza and Cau 2016)

and they're identical in size

[brave nova]

Oh I see the issue. I capitalised the species names. Brb

[fossil ingot]

Random had it as CF so

[fluid inlet]

I still can’t get over that tail

[fossil ingot]

Huh?

[stable sun]

okay but it doesn't overlap with Sigilmassasaurus you can't tell if it's Sigil or not

That by default makes it Spinosaurinae indet.

it also has differences from Spinosaurus aegyptiacus proper

[fossil ingot]

Why does that Lad has bit less Leg Cartilage

[stiff osprey]

the other one had too much

[fossil ingot]

Ohh I see

[stable sun]

also random do you think NHMUK is Spinosaurus or no

[fossil ingot]

Would that Affect your sigil's Leg size?

[outer tusk]

no

[stable sun]

Sigil is based on Spinosaurus B

[fossil ingot]

Leg

[brave nova]

God damn it I added the old spino in not the new one gotta switch that

[stiff osprey]

Yes, if not aegyptiacus, at least in the genus

resurrect spinosaurus maroccanus

[fossil ingot]

The forgotten one smh

[outer tusk]

I mean spinosaurus maroccanus

[stable sun]

That's a Sigilmassasaurus junior synonym

you'd need to make a new species for FSAC

[fossil ingot]

I wonder how this guy will.be called

[stable sun]

166 cm skull for Spino?

Interesting, I usually see it at 148 cm or so

[brave nova]

Like 20th times the charm

[ionic crescent]

Spinosaurus newspecies

[fossil ingot]

Yeah, but like

[stable sun]

I like the part where Deinocheirus is missing

Edit: oh wait carnivorous nvm

[stiff osprey]

Spinosaurus morOccanus

[brave nova]

Yea that’s y theri is also not there

[fossil ingot]

Lets call it
Spinosaurus suchotator trust

[stable sun]

You forgot Chilantaisaurus

[brave nova]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[stable sun]

what

[brave nova]

(Meant the Dino)

[mellow prism]

how

[fossil ingot]

Lets call it Suchomimus Maximumus (trust)

[stable sun]

you don't know what's Chilantaisaurus???

[brave nova]

It’s one I’ve legit never heard of 😭

[stable sun]

^

it was literally sent when you were active

[brave nova]

Someone mentioned it today and I found a single skeletal of it and really didn’t think twice about it

[fossil ingot]

Ngl ima just call that new species as "land Soino"

[mellow prism]

I remember the first time I heard about Chilantaisaurus, beautiful times

[stable sun]

i do not remember the first time i heard about Bahariasaurus, bad times

[mellow prism]

so sad

[outer tusk]

I remember the first time I heard about Chilantaisaurus and thought it was one of the coolest sounding dinosaur names

[stable sun]

the coolest sounding dinosaur name is Yi obviously

[brave nova]

Is chil even that heavy? Not really seeing anything on em

[mellow prism]

that claw

[stable sun]

It's nearly as long as Acro and Meraxes

[outer tusk]

even if it's not in say top 10 biggest theropods ever, the bones we do have of the animal showcase animal over at least >4 tonnes

[stable sun]

Also it's actually the last Carcharodontosaurid

[mellow prism]

how long is Neovenator holotype @stable sun

[stable sun]

iirc 7 m

[brave nova]

Hmm yea it doesn’t seem like it’s past torvo so they don’t even make the cut

[stable sun]

It's a Carcharodontosaurid comparable to Acrocanthosaurus in size

[outer tusk]

it's literally the same size a torvosaurus gurneyi which is 4.8 tonnes maybe even slightly more

[mellow prism]

so 10.3m for Chilantai

[stiff osprey]

that's not acrocanthosaurus sized

Neovenator at 10.3 m would weigh like 3-3.5t

[stable sun]

119 cm femur vs 73 cm femur that's 11.4 m

[mellow prism]

scale the whole leg

260,4cm vs 176cm

[stable sun]

theropod tibiae get proportionally smaller with size, Chilantaisaurus has a larger tibia than that of A. anax

[stable sun]

And 4-5 t at 11.4 m

Also its 11.9 m scaled to Concavenator

[mellow prism]

I would throw out A.anax and keep Chilantaisaurus and Torvosaurus

[brave nova]

I at least have a decent source for anaxs weight but literally nothing for chils

[stable sun]

So I'd say Chilantaisaurus is 11.4-11.9 m

[brave nova]

The skeletal I found of chil has it at 11.35m

[mellow prism]

and what about Siats

[stable sun]

Upscaling Chilant based on Conca gets 4.5-5 t but as a far larger theropod it was obviously more robust

[stable sun]

Could you remind me what was the placement of the Siats dorsal verts

[brave nova]

I’ll look more into chil and see what I find and keep that in mind

[stable sun]

Okay Siats is 11.6 m based on Concavenator

[fluid inlet]

Na

[mellow prism]

4, 12, 13

[fluid inlet]

Torvosaurus is at least 50 tons

[stiff osprey]

only 11.6 m? I thought if you scaled Siats via dorsals you got 12.5m

[mellow prism]

yeah only bc of d4, scaling d12 and d13 gives about 9.5m

[stiff osprey]

why are conca's posterior dorsals so big

[mellow prism]

i scaled to Neovenator

[fluid inlet]

Is there anything new going on with siats I haven’t heard anything about siats other that it’s a debate if it’s a carcharodontosaurud or a megaraptor

[stiff osprey]

oh
well siats centra are almost as long as those of Sue so it is probably not 9.5m

[mellow prism]

never a megaraptoran, remember

[mellow prism]

15cm vs 11cm in Neovenator

[stiff osprey]

the posterior ones are 18cm iirc

[mellow prism]

wait, one in fact is 18cm

[zealous ravine]

I don’t get the logic at all lol

[stiff osprey]

"Siats is a megaraptoran because the lion is bigger than the leopard" absolutely bonkers

[zealous ravine]

Mhm, wild

[mellow prism]

i saw this dude time ago

[outer tusk]

what logic is that 😭

[stiff osprey]

at first i thought the brazilian carcharodontosaur could not be bigger than Giganotosaurus, however I remembered that Brazil is bigger than Argentina, so that makes sense

[fluid inlet]

He sounds like a genius to me, I’d love to do business with him.

[mellow prism]

posterior one are about 17 and 18cm by paper measurments

[zealous ravine]

Wasn’t it also immature? Tho how immature is unknown

[fluid inlet]

So it’s a carcharodontosaurid? I’m not hip at all.

[zealous ravine]

Idk, I go with carch cause imo it makes sense, after all why would acro be the only NA carch, but I think it’s still in the air

[mellow prism]

but this one has a large part that is not functional length and I'm not sure if they took that into account

[stiff osprey]

is it actually opisthocoelous or is that just the rim being distorted on one side

[mellow prism]

Acro and Siats arent closely related

[sly viper]

Huh?

[fluid inlet]

No one even knows what siats is , so.

[sly viper]

Siats is a megaraptor now?

[mellow prism]

,,all dorsal centra are platycoelous''

[fluid inlet]

It’s a sauropod 🤓

[mellow prism]

no no no, never

[sly viper]

Saurophaganax moment

[zealous ravine]

Ofc, I just mean acro being the only carch in NA always stood out as odd to me

[mellow prism]

Capitalsaurus potens moment

[stiff osprey]

if they are platycoelous then that is just distortion on one side

[sly viper]

How is this a megaraptor?

[mellow prism]

you idiot

[tulip stream]

is that allosaurus anax

[stiff osprey]

now which side is distorted i don't know

[fluid inlet]

Watch your language bud before I call the cops

[sly viper]

Siats

[mellow prism]

its just a recontruction, Siats is badly complete. but it is not a megaraptoran

[fluid inlet]

Can someone please send a pic of all the siats material that is available

[tulip stream]

How do you go from "Lord of The Lizard Eaters" to "Different Lizard Ruler"

[stiff osprey]

i mean if you translate them the same way it becomes Lord of the Different Lizards

[sly viper]

"Im the king of obtuse birds" moment

[sly viper]

That's a really long armed carcharodontosaur

[stiff osprey]

basal ones were like that

[sly viper]

How are we sure that's a carcharodontosaur anyway? It's bones look super fragmentary

[stiff osprey]

they look more like carcharodontosaur bones than anything-else bones

[sly viper]

Wait

[topaz shell]

If they find a skull it probably wouldn’t even be designated to siats

[fluid inlet]

This is getting morphed into another sauropod potential , but I’m afraid if that happens I will be done with dinosaurs

[mellow prism]

Siats can be whatever he wants, as long as he's not a megaraptoran

[fluid inlet]

You take that back

[sly viper]

Ankylosaurid siats

[stiff osprey]

i mean even if the dorsals of siats somehow were from a sauropod (they aren't), the ilium would still be theropod, as well as the leg material

[mellow prism]

leg material that is for sure not a coelurosaurian material, same case in Chilantaisaurus.

[sly viper]

Tryna compare their skeletons (I don't know why this carchar is so robust)

[mellow prism]

amazing work man

[stiff osprey]

using stromer's carch to reconstruct carcharodontosaurus is evil

[outer tusk]

Just turn it into abelisaurid

[sly viper]

Some more skeletons

[outer tusk]

There's are outdated 3D reconstructed skeletons 😭

[sly viper]

What

[outer tusk]

better carcharodontosaurus reference

[sly viper]

All I did was search carcharodontosaurus skeleton and this is what came up

[fluid inlet]

https://preview.redd.it/ai-cant-tell-the-difference-between-a-t-rex-and-a-v0-yrhm5l65kgad1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=ecf911fa9bebb6884a1ff124ad0891c75a2593da

[zealous ravine]

Most accurate carch atm tmk

[sly viper]

That looks like a toy

[zealous ravine]

It's ai

[sly viper]

Ik just pointing it out

What were the 10 largest carnivorous dinosaurs again?

[hardy sentinel]

Are Dromeosaurids supposedly evolutionarily "designed" to be big game hunters? I mean we have fossil evidience of a solitary Velociraptor going for a 200 pound Protoceratops. And also the one ton Tenontosaurus that was possibly being hunted by 6-10 Deinonychus. Also we know that Achillobator and Utahraptor lived with prey items that were very much larger than them. Were there any adaptations for this or was it just behavior wise that they went for larger prey with or without a group?

[fluid inlet]

Still can’t get over just how good these 2 look together , top quality from both Haolonggood and pnso

[minor thistle]

Was Pannoniasaurus really a freshwater mosasaur? Is there any evidence debunking this?

[hardy sentinel]

yes, we have the isotopes in their fossils that show they live in freshwater

[vocal kettle]

How does that work

[sterile trail]

Scary

[thorn grove]

I think current ideas on raptor prey restraint would indicate that if anything they primarily targeted prey similar in size or smaller than themselves. That we have a number of finds showing them hunting larger prey might be preservation bias, since smaller prey is more likely to be eaten quickly or even whole.

Fighting Dinosaurs shows the Velociraptor being restrained by the Protoceratops' beak, and the Deinonychus find has been hypothesized to be a predator trap iirc. Basically these are situations where the raptors are less capable than usual of escaping whatever event killed them and caused them to become fossilized.

Also Tigers live with elephants, but elephant hunts are extremely rare. There's not really any reason to think a solitary Utahraptor was regularly attacking adult Iguanacolossus, even if they technically maybe could kill one. Most predators have been found to be capable of hunting prey several times their size, but most also prefer hunting prey their own size or smaller, I remember the paper on Repenomamus hunting Psittacosaurus discussing statistics on this. It's likely raptors were similar.

[hardy sentinel]

On the Utahraptor part, theres not bigger predators that live in the area so did Iguanacolossus just acheive what Titanosaurs did? Being too big to be hunted in their ecosystem? Or maybe Utahraptor mobbing took em out

[thorn grove]

I think there's an isolated Carcharodontosaurid tooth in that formation so probably not

[tough parcel]

A) The nature of fossilization means it is more likely to be a common event fossilizing over a rare one

B) Repanom-Taco fossil i slikely a hoax

[thorn grove]

oh damn really

[zealous ravine]

Truthfully, I think it varied from species to species

[thorn grove]

that's true for A but I have no idea how many fossils we have of raptors with small prey vs raptors with large prey so I decided not to try and bs stats for that. I probably should have just said as much tbh

[hardy sentinel]

Formation, but not the same area or time. Formations can span over long distances but in the range Utahraptor lived, no larger predators have been found in the nearly 50 years Utahraptor has been discovered

[stiff osprey]

Dromaeosaurs, like all theropods, have extremely sharp teeth combined with strong bite forces, which naturally makes them good at bleeding out large animals. But they added onto this by having a decent jumping/climbing ability, which helps hunt large prey since you have to be able to reach the prey's weak points somehow

That doesn't mean they hunted only large prey, but a group of Deinonychus is certainly capable of hunting a Tenontosaurus, or even a single Deinonychus if the Tenont is young (which is the case in that one fossil)

[thorn grove]

friend of mine mentioned it coexisting with utah but he might've been mistaken lol. I even cautioned him that that formation is like 40 million years long but he was pretty adamant.

[stiff osprey]

Utahraptpr couldn't have hunted Iguanacolossus because they never coexisted, but it was probably hunting like subadult sauropods several times its size

[tough parcel]

It was washed in from an earlier rock formation

[hardy sentinel]

40 million years long? Dang I thought formations were only like, 10-15 million years long

[thorn grove]

understood I was wrong lmao

[stiff osprey]

Cedar mountain should by all means be split into multiple formations, but so far it hasn't yet

[hardy sentinel]

Ya learn something new everyday I guess lol

[outer tusk]

Tried scaling Hadrosaurus and eotrachodon and idk if the scaling is correct

[zealous ravine]

@stiff osprey you wouldnt happen to have a deltadromeus weight estimate would you?

[stiff osprey]

the holotype is like barely over a tonne

[outer tusk]

Hey Paes if you gonna minute would you say this scaling is okay?

[stiff osprey]

will answer later currently making suchomimus smooth

[tough parcel]

Sobbing, why did you use the real name

[outer tusk]

( forgot to ask if I can call you 'Paes' )

[fossil ingot]

What even is smooth

[tough parcel]

Smooth

[velvet burrow]

Ain't Cedar Mountain like the entire early cretaceous?

[fluid inlet]

Smoothie

[stiff osprey]

scaling is correct yeah (mine are shorter due to walking pose)

[stiff osprey]

paes is fine but if you call me by my last name i'm obligated to kill you

[fluid inlet]

I’m calling the cops

[outer tusk]

wait really, damn I though eotrachodon was about the same size 😭

[outer tusk]

taking a guess but hadrosaurus would be about 6 meters here and eotracho would be 3-4 meters?

[elfin pulsar]

Is stygi being an immature pachy still debated? Or is it a definite yes/no

[tough parcel]

AFAIK right now the idea is whether it's a different species from wyomingensis

Still Pachy, but it'd possibly be P. spinifer

[umbral kite]

is there any fossil evidence of how big Desmodus draculae

[stiff osprey]

wingspan estimated to be 50 cm

[frigid delta]

"Allosaurus anax (no skeletal yet)"
hey buddy, i got a present for u

[umbral kite]

ok the math aint mathing becuase it say Desmodus draculae is the largest bat in history but the A.jubatus Has a wing span of 59-67 in long

[fluid inlet]

Torvosaurus Tanneri victim

[umbral kite]

if i see a torvo it on sight be uase i hate torvos

[stiff osprey]

It's the largest vampire bat, nowhere near the largest bat

[fluid inlet]

Would we say when sizes are that close it comes down simply who has the stronger bite and who lands first right

[umbral kite]

yes

[fluid inlet]

He will always be my hero

[stiff osprey]

with anax's downsize it and torvo are literally identical now

[fluid inlet]

But Torvosaurus has the deadlier bite right

[stiff osprey]

presumably on account of its teeth being the size of swords yeah

meanwhile anax is slightly faster and more agile judging by limb anatomy, which should make up for the loss in damage

[umbral kite]

yea but im preying on there down fall so nuh uh

[fluid inlet]

Thanks for the non bias answer, what do we think about this torvo model

[stiff osprey]

raw as hell

I'd buy it if i wasn't so suspicious of the complete media vanishing of dinosaur empire

[warped peak]

Not even the largest extinct Carnivorous bat

Let alone extant

[umbral kite]

it cool. But still i hate every torvo with a passion for no reason

[fluid inlet]

You’re not alone in that everyone seems to hate Torvosaurus 😒

[unborn bane]

Please keep all discussions in this channel on topic. This channel is for the discussion of past and present paleontological discoveries, scientific news, and depictions of prehistoric creatures in media in relation to palaeontology.

[umbral kite]

how accurate is this deino

[scenic flame]

no

[tall vale]

it’s 101% accurate this is the best deino model available

[celest pond]

What downsize? anax hasn't been downsized, the biggest elements are still referred to it, stop spreading misinformation, and is still quite bigger than any Torvosaurus individual (Edmarka included)

[round hedge]

Looks a bit more like a purussaurus, ngl

[vocal breach]

Is Giga still the goat of all Carcharodontosaurs?

[opaque kayak]

It's measurements were apparently wrong

[stable sun]

D13 gets large results too though

[stable sun]

i think the best part is not Stromer's Carcharodontosaurid but the fact that he used a Noasaurid ilium

which Stromer refferred to Carcharodontosaurus

[celest pond]

They weren't, just untrained people doing bad scaling and lying online and people believing them, the measurements are mostly the same in every paper

[brave nova]

U missed the part about this skeletal being shot. It’s way too big

[opaque kayak]

TBF if Denison is right iirc the verts go to 15.7 cm

[frigid delta]

"Allosaurus anax found shot in alley" ahh comment 😭🙏

[brave nova]

It pretty much was from what I was told lol

[stable sun]

They might have been measured in a different way

so OMNH 1188 still can be ~13 m

If you measure it at the bottom of the vert it ends up being 15.7 cm without making 18 cm inaccurate

[mellow prism]

i thought that 18cm is measurment with condyle (or however it is called) and then centrum would be 15cm. But I got the measurements wrong and this vertebra was 16.7cm which is probably the measurement of the centrum

[fossil ingot]

So Anax went from 6.5t to 4.9t?

[stable sun]

5.1 t i think

Also isn't Torvosaurus 5.2 t

[celest pond]

? I know Andy I have spoke with him multiple times before the paper was published, about the sauropod identity of the atlas, is the first measurement given to that dorsal (or figured in a published paper), so it can't be downsized from nothing, that's what I was referring to, actual papers, not anyone online scaling with made up sizes of bones that they have never seen.

[indigo cradle]

Did homie just doxx someone

[brave nova]

4.9 according to random

[celest pond]

The minimum is 4,7 t with femora circumference which underestimate the body mass comparing to volumetric methods, you can't compare weight of different taxa when different methods have been used for each of them. Volumetric for anax should go up to 5,5t or so (didn't calculate it, just a guess based on usual differences)

[fossil ingot]

I still will believe 6.5t Anax cause it sounds cooler than 4.8t Torvo

[mellow prism]

I think 1188 is 18cm

[indigo cradle]

I'd rather it be smaller because I'm tired of overrated giant carnivores and kids wanting them to be Kaiju sized

[stable sun]

Random's skeletal is 5.2 t

[fossil ingot]

Random said Torvo was 4.8t yesterday

[stable sun]

Danison said dorsal is 15.7 cm that's the point

[stable sun]

that's the estimate you get using the supposedly elvis-accurate shorter version

[fluid inlet]

❌

[fossil ingot]

Yeah thats why he said Torvo is 4.8t and is the size he gave the guy who made the big size comparison

[celest pond]

And the point I made is that that dorsal was never been figured nor measured in any previous published paper, so how can it be downsized? Also I fully agree with Andy

[fossil ingot]

Show full convo atleasr smh
Theres more below

[brave nova]

That stuff is about mera

[brave nova]

A.anax's largest specimen has been nuked, so now the largest is the femur that yields ~4.9 tonnes. Acrocanthosaurus is 5.8 t based on a GDI or 6.1 t based on Bates et al 2016. Meraxes's holotype is 5.7 tonnes based on GDI of Sergi's skeletal, but there is a 15% larger specimen that would weigh ~8.7t. That’s the full thing (forgot Acro was there aswell)

[indigo cradle]

Source: I said so

[fossil ingot]

Tmk about Meraxes
Random said he only knows what the abstract said
And Meraxes rn is still obscure tbh
You can scale it to 10.7m tmk and 15% bigger can be vague so idk

[stable sun]

didn't necessarily get nuked
#paleontology message

[fossil ingot]

I said Meraxes

[celest pond]

But you guys are still using estimates from random people in the internet, the 5t torvo hasn't been tested nor stated in any paper, then when an actual paper comes out by actual researchers of an actual individual people will go mad because it got "downsized" because they believed the crazy estimates made by someone

[indigo cradle]

Actual researchers

[fossil ingot]

Sergi's skeletal is 11.4m or smth
I have seen skeletals for 10.7m with Dark mentioning he has go and see Meraxes Stuff irl

[celest pond]

Mixing GDI and circumference, also Acros biggest femur is 427mm in circumference, that is way less than anax specimens, up to 470mm, and new mexico Allosaurus sp. 461mm

[stable sun]

half of paper estimates are literally allometry

how big is Patagotitan by the way is it 37 m and 69 t or is it smaller

[stable sun]

Femur circumference mass estimates for large Carcharodontosaurids:

• Stromer's Carcharodontosaurid - 2420 kg
• Taurovenator - 3260 kg
• Acrocanthosaurus Fran - 3590 kg
• Chilantaisaurus - 3710 kg
• Meraxes - 4260 kg
• Mapusaurus largest femur - 4340 kg
• Tyrannotitan paratype - 5780 kg
• Giganotosaurus - 6260 kg
• Tyrannotitan holotype - 6260 kg

[fossil ingot]

W TTT

[stable sun]

real mass

• Stromer's Carcharodontosaurid - ~5000 kg
• Taurovenator - ~6000 kg
• Acrocanthosaurus Fran - ~6000 kg
• Chilantaisaurus - ~5000 kg
• Meraxes - ~5500-6000 kg
• Mapusaurus largest femur - ~7000 kg
• Tyrannotitan paratype - ~7500 kg
• Giganotosaurus - ~8500-9000 kg
• Tyrannotitan holotype - ~5500 kg

[fluid inlet]

Any information regarding this? Last I seen is someone thinks is a hadrosaur https://youtu.be/vdiPfT-lqNc?si=j5lw2qBEDUM5gifz

[stable sun]

Using Allosaurus or Shaochilong you can get it to relatively normal size though

[fluid inlet]

Why would you use allosaurus?

[mellow prism]

To not get 20t in size

[stable sun]

Because what you sent is a basal Carcharodontosaurid

[fluid inlet]

I’ve seen estimates of 13 tons which sound a whole lot more realistic than the blasphemy you just typed.

[mellow prism]

also on the basis of the basal ones i guess

[stable sun]

Scaling from Acro gets 19 t

[fluid inlet]

19 tons is ridiculous lol

[mellow prism]

based on Meraxes probably similar

[stable sun]

Ye

[sly viper]

Wait i thought saurophaganax was like 5-6 tonnes

[indigo cradle]

Here we go again

[fluid inlet]

Which topic lol

[stable sun]

It's actually 15 tonnes based on claw

[sly viper]

Not that saurophaganax I meant allosaurus anax

[indigo cradle]

The damn size discussion

[stable sun]

what does that have to do with what i said the claw still suggests 15 t

[sly viper]

Wait what.

[fluid inlet]

It’s 2 things you never do asks a woman her weight and a dinosaur their size estimation. Both off limits.

[indigo cradle]

Fr fr

[sly viper]

Never ask
A women her weight
A man his salary
"What's the weight of this dinosaur?"

[stable sun]

phalanx scaling

[sly viper]

So any news on ichthyotitan?

[fluid inlet]

Big

[mellow prism]

GNS CD 583

[sly viper]

Why do dinosaurs have such weird names? Like allosaurus spinosaurus and triceratops Why not simpler names?
Like Jon glob and gorg

[fluid inlet]

They do have simple names T. rex
Allo
Spino
Trike

[sly viper]

We need REALLY simple names

[indigo cradle]

That's up to gen public

We don't call animals by scientific names because people adopted colloquial names for them

[fluid inlet]

Well look at elephants scientific name Loxodonta africana

[indigo cradle]

Except gorilla
Gorilla is it's scientific name
Gorilla gorilla
I think one is even gorilla gorilla gorilla

[sly viper]

Gorilla gorilla gorilla gorilla should've been gigantopithicus (even though it's probably not a gorilla)

[fluid inlet]

Wolf = Canis lupus Linnaeus

[stable sun]

oh no

[indigo cradle]

Awww bird joke got nuked

[stable sun]

the two latest Carcharodontosaurids were both from Asia

[outer tusk]

the hell did I miss

[lone zephyr]

ted, albert, stephen and terry

[stable sun]

New Dubreuillosaurus skeletal by Justice

[frigid delta]

alot

[indigo cradle]

Oh hey it's aforementioned gorilla gorilla

[gritty escarp]

Would anybody know a good site for finding nearly every single fossil record of extinct animals going as far back to the Triassic or further

[zinc solstice]

Was Kiyacursor more likely a Herbivore or More likely A Omnivore/Carnivore

And Is it having a beak more likely than it having teeth?

[stable sun]

No skull preserved

[zinc solstice]

Okay so Both are as Likely as the other

[stable sun]

it may have been more like masiakasaurus in terms of diet but also may have been more like limusaurus

so ig yeah

[zinc solstice]

Is Berthasaura Still a Noasaurid? There are alot of people saying it is not and is just a Ceratosaurian in the new group Berthasauridae

[stable sun]

I'd say it still is
I don't think naming Berthasauridae was a good choice

[celest pond]

That's why I said that one must compare with the same method, by circumference Allosaurus anax is 4,7t, expect it to be much more by volumetric

[pliant cedar]

megalosaurid?

[thorn grove]

not all masses increase by volumetric

[calm agate]

To be fair the vast majority do at least by a little bit. Usually around 100-200kg difference in large animals from a GDI of the same animal for example

[thorn grove]

Sure but even in the example above the holotype Tyrannotitan's mass actually decreases, so it is possible.

I've not like statistically tested it, but in my experience it seems more gracile builds seem to be more likely to lose mass from volumetric, and Allosaurus is pretty well known for being a more gracile theropod.

[thorn grove]

Very complete lmao

[tall prawn]

not anymore

[wraith kindle]

Is that a brain cast? Looks like a brain cast.

[stable sun]

Yes

[thorn grove]

maybe it just had a big brain 🤔

[mellow prism]

frontal

[stable sun]

Frontal

[celest pond]

Allosaurus do increase in mass, smaller juvenile and subadult individuals have seen their masses increased from what it was calculated by circumference. Also define gracile, because Allosaurus is almost the only allosauroid with a barrel like rib cage like that of tyrannosaurids, there are Allosaurus specimens with a torso that is wider in absolute terms than that of Acro Fran being a meter or so shorter.

[stiff osprey]

Allosaurus MOR 693 was estimated via allometry to weigh 1270kg, while the volumetric estimate was 1500kg, so the maximum volumetric mass for A.anax is expected to be ~5.6t

If we use DINO 2560 we get a lower estimate for the volumetric, so a 4.8-5.6 t range is appropriate

[thorn grove]

oki doki

[tall prawn]

and what specimen are you talking abt anax for 5.6t

[stiff osprey]

OMNH 1371, the largest femur

[tall prawn]

isnt that fenris?

[stiff osprey]

I don't speak norse

[tall prawn]

is OMNH 1371 fenris?

[stiff osprey]

fenris doesn't exist, OMNH 1371 is one of the two 11m-class individuals though

[stable sun]

Tyrannotitan holotype is too large via allometry despite every other Carcharodontosaurid including Tyrannotitan paratype being too small

[stiff osprey]

Maybe the holotype was really fat

[stable sun]

it has the femur circumference of Giganotosaurus

that'd mean 8.5 t at 11 m

so it'd need to be even more robust than any specimen of Tyrannosaurus

[keen forum]

thats using the short torso lad, one of the two ways to recon torvo. You can use both randoms and short torso lad. But take elvis's torso with a grain of salt cause no paper/description of the lad is out for him so its hard to say if that is true or not rn. As you can random even stated it as "Supposedly" which means theres some doubts to it

[keen forum]

stares at torvo going from 5 tons to 5.2 tons ..... fat mf

[torn hemlock]

anyone want Tylosaurus to be in the game its one of my favorites and its my local provincial dinosaur that i have fallen in love since i was young

[outer tusk]

Is this scaling okay?

[mellow prism]

Qianz skull is so damn beautiful

[halcyon cobalt]

we are not bringing edmusthosaurus into 2025

[sudden wind]

Are all scale bars equal to one another ?

[thorn grove]

Edmusthosaurus one shots all carnis

[outer tusk]

I think but am remaking it anyways

[sterile trail]

New Sauropodomorph dropped

[warped peak]

Good god he's a sausage

[pliant cedar]

these videos have been appearing in my feed so much now

[thorn grove]

It’s a new slop content format, most of them just barely exceed the 8 minute mark you need for midroll ads.

[pliant cedar]

yeah, with some of these there is so much debate on how they lived that i dont see you making a video any longer than 2 minutes on their lifestyle

[stable sun]

this isn't even true

well lishulong but that one isn't that new anymore

[keen forum]

such a pin head

[ancient knoll]

You haven't seen dub yet then lmao

[keen forum]

uh no

[ancient knoll]

Killing the 'all megs look the same' meme is fun...

[keen forum]

it gets worssssse

[outer tusk]

got Megalosaurid and Metricanthosaurid are my favorite family of theropods

[sterile trail]

I was referring to Lishulong 😭

[wary heath]

Being a dinosaur in general sucked.

[stable sun]

not very new anymore

[polar scroll]

especially the herbivores,like as a baby it must´ve sucked

[wary heath]

Carnivores also had to worry about whether or not they will catch something to eat.

There isn't really a dinosaur you can say "Yes, this is a good dinosaur to live as"

[celest pond]

Well actually 1708 and 2114 are larger 1135 and 1160 (supposedly) although yeah 1371 is more robust with the greatest circumference and it is worse preserved, the condyles are clearly eroded or worn and the total length could be as much as the others yes.

[polar scroll]

yeah true

[wary heath]

Do you guys have a favorite dinosaur group as a whole?

[polar scroll]

Hadrosauridae tbh.

[sudden wind]

Herons.

[polar scroll]

Like even tho in media,they are represented as nothing more but defensless snacks for the carnivores,you have to credit them for surviving all the way up to the late cretaceous. And even tho they lack thagomizers,horns or even clubs,their weight alone could keep even the biggest oponents (depending on the size of that carnivore,since there are small hadrosaurids that did get preyed on by large theropods) at bay

[wary heath]

Ankylosaurs were just living tanks. Almost nothing hunted these things.

When your biggest opp is your own kind, I'd say you're doing pretty good.

[polar scroll]

yeah ankylosaurs are also one of my fav groups

[thorn grove]

Well I wouldn't quite say that, in general Hadrosaurs and Tyrannosaurs in the same ecosystem have comparable average weights. Hadrosaurs appear to have had quite a bit of individual variation but those large individuals shouldn't be taken to represent their species on the whole. Bulk (and biting, Hadrosaurs had sharp beaks which go underrated as a defense mechanism) would be a secondary defense after running.