paleontology

[tough parcel]

Taurovenator and Meraxes share the toe claw (confirmed)

But it's suspected derived carchs had it overall

[stark elm]

interesting thanks for telling me

[bold fog]

Indeed

I saw the material in person of Meraxes. i did a video showing some material i check from Meraxes and Giganotosaurus

[flat pond]

Was always wondering where that came from since I saw it in Repti’s Carchar

[iron halo]

It’s thought that TTT didn’t have the large toe claw, right?

[ionic crescent]

Derived carchs

[sly viper]

What was the size of T. Mcraeensis?

[stiff osprey]

~12 meters and ~9 tonnes

[tough parcel]

Bigger than (average) T. rex!!!

[lavish frigate]

Fake meters and invalid tonnes (true chads will agree)

[halcyon cobalt]

the wonders of a tiny sample size

[sly viper]

Alr ty

[ancient meadow]

n=1

[storm heron]

Isn’t this still speculation? Like it’s possible but not certain whether derived Carchs had this particular feature.

That being said, this is a game, so one can get creative and add the feature regardless whether it is Meraxes or not.

[stiff osprey]

Equally likely that they all had the large claw or not tbh

Which the large claw looks way cooler, so of course it will be the popular choice

[storm heron]

Yep ha, though I’m curious, how likely would this be applicable to Tyrannotitan? Because I have seen skeletal recons of it that either include or don’t (mostly the latter)

[fluid inlet]

Randomdinos is the allosaurus Anax same size estimations for Saurophaganax, even with the separation of material from the sauropod

[stiff osprey]

TTT has an ungual preserved that was suggested to belong to digit 2, though the other unguals were not found. So it is possible the identification is wrong and it was ungual 3 or 4

[frigid delta]

CONGRATULATIONS FOR ALL WHO GUESSED THE CARCHARODONTOSAURID AS A TTT
https://youtu.be/d6cjwMXCcwM?si=ENnaRHjQrZtb94Qy

[steady rock]

so uh, ignori9ng the money issue, how accurate is tyrannotitan?

[sly viper]

This is what I thought looked most accurate you guys can debate

[tough parcel]

Really good

Blows a lot of the other base game models out of the wter

[drifting condor]

Did allosaurus take on sauropods

[stiff osprey]

Yes

[wary heath]

Yeah I don't think a lot of people would pay 7 dollars for 1 functionally identical carnivore.

[ripe walrus]

No way we got a Giga variant awsome

[maiden crow]

Does anyone know what’s going on with the special skins that are supposed to come with the Dino?

I didn’t get the two skins for the titan

[low raven]

There’s people talking about it in modding that there making the dino free and removing the backer skin and adding 2 more to the pack

[frigid delta]

who's the other one?

[ripe walrus]

grandis i think idk what its supposed to be

[frigid delta]

shame
should've putted saharicus or roseae

[ripe walrus]

yes fr

[frigid delta]

but let's talk abt the paleo related thingies about our TTT now
valid or cap? irl terms

[stiff osprey]

I mean

It's like 7 tons? Which is the size of a small rex or a large spino

[frigid delta]

ah yes i remember now
7.3 tons
fair enough for me

[umbral kite]

Can an deinosuchus take hatzegopteryx wings attached it and fly?

[stiff osprey]

consider hatzegopteryx wings are built to carry <500kg and deinosuchus weighs >5000kg

[warped peak]

How many pairs of Hatzegopteryx wings would be needed to allow the largest Deinosuchus to fly

[indigo cradle]

At least 3

[fluid inlet]

is this accurate buckaroo

[fluid inlet]

https://www.ndtv.com/feature/crocodile-dundees-famous-reptile-dies-aged-90-7313988/amp/1 sorry yall

[lone zephyr]

I KNEW IT WAS TYRANNOTITAN

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I LOVE TYRANNOTITAN HES MY FAOURITE CHARCHAROONTOSAURID AFTER MAPUSAURUS

why is tyrannotitan labeled as sub apex

[halcyon cobalt]

cause it is

[frigid delta]

there is higher than TTT???

[halcyon cobalt]

it has like 5,500 cw I’m pretty sure

[frigid delta]

the hell is cw?

[halcyon cobalt]

Combat weight

[frigid delta]

hmm...
what i mean higher than TTT in here is, there are other apex predator that is higher than TTT???

[halcyon cobalt]

Not in real life in its ecosystem

[pliant cedar]

it lived with patagotitan?
which titanosau

[elfin leaf]

Patagotitan

[pliant cedar]

just realised

[snow python]

How heavy was Taurovenator

[burnt plover]

Tyrannotitan really had a bigger toe claw?

[tulip dove]

Since Meraxes had a large toe claw it's thought that other large carcharodontosaurids also had one on each foot

[silver canopy]

But why?

What purpose could it serve?

I must know

[tulip dove]

Could have helped to hold down prey or a carcass while eating

[silver canopy]

So just raptor prey restraint but

B I G

[tulip dove]

Kinda iirc

[silver canopy]

They might also be able to open something like a sauropod carcass with a kick

Since most charcharodontosaurs had weak bites and fragile teeth compared to other large theropods

[tulip dove]

But that's all I can remember about it
Someone else might have better info

[sudden wind]

Such toe structure isn't much helpful in kicking but it is when it comes to holding down something like food or a prey.

[stiff osprey]

RPR requires balancing on top of prey, since falling off of a prey item would most likely kill them on the spot carcharodontosaurs wouldn't have used the claws for that

Aid in feeding seems like the best explanation to me

[steady smelt]

Another Allo drawing

[arctic turtle]

Is it just me or do yall think the Trex isn’t given the recognition it deserves. Like you look at movies or games or whatever else and you just see the Trex being nothing but outright garbage. The Trex has no predator that rivaled it in strength nor senses. It just makes me mad. I’m no Trex meat rider but I mean give the animal the recognition it deserves

[warped peak]

In what world is Rex nothing but outright garbage

[tough parcel]

Wes, you best have some reason to back up those words boy...

[lone zephyr]

there was no carnivore stronger than it that lived alongside it so its an apex

[lone zephyr]

owned in jp like 20 times

[warped peak]

There's only 6 JP films

The only real losses it had were against Spino, and that first Giga interaction. Every other fight ended with the Rex winning

[thorn grove]

there is no carnivore stronger than a lion in its environment but I really doubt it would be an apex in game

[lone zephyr]

yes because the definition of an apex in this game is wrong

[thorn grove]

no because you're throwing all the animals into one combined environment, so only the predators that are strongest in that new combined ecosystem are an apex

[lone zephyr]

fair enough but then there can only really be 1 apex

[thorn grove]

yea I think most apexes are intended to be equal in strength, hence why they tend to all have the same combat weight, but yea not all of them actually are equal to be fair

[lone zephyr]

wait what are the apexes in this game

[warped peak]

Spino Rex Tyranno

Alongside Eo, Bars, Duck

[lone zephyr]

SPINO???!!!?!?! TT WOULD MAUL A SPINO

[thorn grove]

rex and spino vanilla, modded you have like giga for example, but then the question of what counts as a "true" apex and what is a subapex makes things a bit more complicated

[warped peak]

There is no reason to consider any 5 Slot anything but an apex

[warped peak]

And Spino in-game is like 17m long which dramatically changes realistic interaction between them beyond recognition

[lone zephyr]

thats not too far off spinos real size according to roughhh estimates

[warped peak]

It's about 5 meters off of real size according to current estimates

[lone zephyr]

current estimates are 14ish meters

[warped peak]

Very possible, I remember weight more than length

Even then though, that results in kt being tremendously larger than Rex

[tough parcel]

If you're going toe-to-toe with the largest (we know of) IRL, it's a 2 ton difference in favor of rex

[warped peak]

IRL, yes

However a 17m long Spino would be around 14 Tons, which makes the in-game comparison of them in the same tier more fair. Especially since Spino doesn't have near the damage Rex does, just a lot of bulk

[lone zephyr]

yeah but realistically spino was one of the weakest megatheropods despite being the longest

[warped peak]

Yes but we weren't talking realistically. We were talking about the Apex tier creatures in Path of Titans

[thorn grove]

miragaia has like 3 types of poison, realism went off the table a while ago

[tough parcel]

The original comment was speaking realism-wise

[lone zephyr]

where on earth did the devs get that from

[thorn grove]

the planet Uranus

[lone zephyr]

uranus detected

[warped peak]

The original comment:

[tough parcel]

[wary laurel]

Steaming diabolical devious downright despicable hot take: Tyrannosaurus is uninteresting compared to other animals such as Pycnonemosaurus and Irritator. (pls don't kill me)

[thorn grove]

idk I just like dinosaurs

[indigo cradle]

1000000% agree

[tough parcel]

Explain how these are more interesting

[indigo cradle]

But I'm biased against rex and the damage it has caused to media and the general public

[wary laurel]

Uh.................................................. Aesthetic flees

On a more serious note I do feel like animals like Irritator have more capacity for creative freedom, their niches are also interesting. Although I suppose that's more of a personal taste thing

[tough parcel]

They have creative freedom because their remains consist of a block of skull 😭

[wary laurel]

Can't tell me its inaccurate if you don't have a body to compare it to 🧠

[brittle sinew]

Saurophagnax is now Allosaurus Anax sp.

[tough parcel]

Nomen dubium*

But several remains attributed to Saurophaganax went to A. anax, unnamed diplodocid, Allosaurus sp.

[low raven]

Not to mention other games where spino and giga are more powerful than Trex. They should start making Rex at least a tad bit more powerful in games and hopefully in the newer JW films

[pliant cedar]

it is, its just that its so popular that films try to use it as a punching bag to make other dinosaurs look cool

[open compass]

Tbh, in 2000s spino was stronger

[warped peak]

It's also not stated that Tyrannosaurus wins 3/6 fights you featured here

And 5/6 of them feature only 2 animals, from Jurassic Park, with the last being a genetically engineered Super Tyrannosaurus

[low raven]

I wouldn’t say it was stronger than Trex it was just more formidable and actually stood a chance of winning

[open compass]

And only JP3 t rex showed it's power, it was kinda naturalistic, newer films aka JW just made godzilla styled fights

[tacit pine]

Not really? Only doninions ending was cringe

[open compass]

Well, back then it was 17-18m with 8-9t mass, it was a beast as I remember

[low raven]

The Trex won after being dominated and after having a distraction allowing it to win otherwise it would’ve died

[tacit pine]

Lol, rex in jw simply cant compete with giga or spino or any other apex around its size or larger. Only other fight it won was with tarbo lmao

[tacit pine]

Wdym plot, rexy is literally confirmed to be old anyways

[warped peak]

Thank god Rex has a dozen other media representations as an Incarnation of fear if you look anywhere but the Jurassic franchise

[tacit pine]

Meh, jp rex was already scary and a fearful sight. Jw is where it was ruined

[open compass]

JP did good job on rex, not JW

It's scary, it's natural and it's an animal just look at his eyes (bird like eyes, that's great)

[brave stump]

Yeah gif are back

[low raven]

That’s true but Jp/Jw had a big influence and that’s why we see it being downplayed in other media especially in games

[warped peak]

JW has not had a big influence. JP has

And again what games are downplaying Rex more than it gets hyped?

ARK, PoT, Primal Carnage, The Isle all off the top of my head have Rex as basically the strongest thing around

[tacit pine]

Fr

[warped peak]

I believe it was the same for Turok but I've not played it

[open compass]

I mean, look at the difference,
Can we agree that JP rex is iconic and good (for it's time ofc, it's very outdated now you know why)

[open compass]

Ark?

[low raven]

Ark is Giga and Carchar

[indigo cradle]

Yea I'll never understand why they softened the features in JW and tried to anthropomorphise the animals

[low raven]

Turok does do the Trex justice

[warped peak]

ARK has Giga, Carch and Titanosaurs as bonafide Kaiju that are untouchable

And yet despite that, Bred Rexes in ARK are STRONGER than bred Gigas and Carchs, and Rexes reign as the dominant tame for all bossfights and similar tasks

And then they gave Rex a laser gun

[sudden wind]

I like how people say that JP T.rex was good for its time when it wasn't. We have quite of a good idea of what rex looks like since decades thanks to its amazing fossils and it changed in some details (musculature, ribcage) but other than that the skull shape was still off since the first move (and that was due to mechanic constraints of the animatronics.

[open compass]

Which tyrannosaurus from it's time was better and more accurate than it? For example WWD aka the legendary documentary's rex isn't good as JP rex

[sudden wind]

WWD Tyrannosaurus is AWFUL

In big medias I don't think there was any particularly good Tyrannosaurus reconstructions but within the paleoart sphere there were some.

[jagged trellis]

The lego t rex ofc

[white matrix]

Sorry if I sound stupid for asking this but I've been wondering are pegomastax and Heterodontosaurus the same thing or are they separate animals I've been trying to find something on it but to no avail

[indigo cradle]

Asking questions doesn't make you stupid, it's how we learn things

[open compass]

At least JP made an iconic rex (and pretty accurate)
which is better than it's "modern" version made by JW, I mean compare the teeth

[sudden wind]

Heterodontosaurus and Pegomastax are both Heterodontosaurids, so they fall within the same family. However, they are classified as distinct genus due to their different tooth morphology indicating different diets.

[tacit pine]

Meh not that big of a difference

[open compass]

There's still

[white matrix]

Interesting,thank you so much it's been bothering me trying to figure it out

[tacit pine]

I mean what much r they supposed to do? If they change the design to make it more accurate then the old rex existing would make no sense

[open compass]

Wdym male

[indigo cradle]

Make*

[open compass]

Why? They changed parasaurolophus (it got bigger )velociraptor (it got some feathers or squills) and there's nothing wrong with that

[tacit pine]

Those r minimal changes the same way rex got minimal changes 💀

[open compass]

Nevermind, it gets offtopic

[outer tusk]

Theropods

[brittle comet]

w h a t

[polar scroll]

oh cool,Allosaurus anax is almost as big as Sue the T-rex,allosaurus fans gonna eat tonight (even tho it´s most likely speculation)

[outer tusk]

yo momma

[zinc solstice]

Is Emausaurus Or Any Other Basal Thyreophoran Climbing Trees Possible?

[silk locust]

what is your most fav fossil you have?

[open compass]

🥹

[sudden wind]

https://x.com/hugocafasso/status/1869794847147864143

Hugo Cafasso (@hugocafasso) on X

A paleoartistic interpretation from A MORPHOFUNCTIONAL APPROACH TO QUADRATE DEPRESSION IN BAURUSUCHIDAE
(MAURÍCIO FLORINDO DE MELO 1 , PAULO ROBERTO SILVA 2 & FELIPE CHINAGLIA MONTEFELTRO 3)

Twitter · Dec 19, 2024, 5:20 PM

[tulip gyro]

indominus, giga showdown

[warped peak]

Now me which one died in those fights

[tulip gyro]

now tell me wich one got beat up, and rexy didnt even kill them

it was always a other dino bc they had to team up, plus indom would have killed her, same with giga.

[warped peak]

I'd say the one who died got beat up

[tulip gyro]

nah, giga literally got hit once, and indominus is debatable if it got beaten up, but fact is both of these fights were won by giga and indominus, but plot armour kept rexy alive,

[warped peak]

They literally got brutally murdered in both fights

[tough parcel]

Giga got RKOed by a Theri, had Rexy on the rocks before it showed up

Indom got RKOed by the Mosa, had Rexy...in the exact same position before Blue showed up and the Mosa finished em off

[pliant cedar]

cursed

[pliant cedar]

trex was getting his ass whooped in both fights, if it werent for backup she wouldve defo died

[tough parcel]

Rexy only lived in JWD cause she was hit with her anime flashback 😭

[warped peak]

Definitely but people act like JW is the only media to portray Rex

[tough parcel]

"The only thing I hate more than humans...is a bully..." type beat

[pliant cedar]

its defo the most well known and prolific

Like sure there are others but its not even close

[tulip gyro]

indom got killed by mosa after she fought ankys, 5 raptors, got hunted with weapons and still whooped rexy, same with giga, rexy only grabbed giga and threw it into theris claws

[warped peak]

Indeed but then saying that Rex js always being beaten in every media and is outright garbage is beyond an exaggeration

[tulip gyro]

i was refering to jw tho, overall the jw parts

[pliant cedar]

i mean
in the most popular it does get clowned on
but thats only cause people already see it as the strongest, and media want to give other cool theropods the spotlight

it does go a bit too far smtimes tho

that whole 'bigger than trex era'

[warped peak]

Indominus is a genetically engineered super Tyrannosaurus. Of course it won.

JW Giga is just a mess, as is the Spino

[tulip gyro]

spino can be excused bc it was made in 2001. ofc a lil bit unrealistic but better than giga in 2021

[pliant cedar]

they use the excuse 'it is paleoaccurate in the jp verse'

[warped peak]

Tbf Giga and Tyrannosaurus aren't that uneven a match up anymore, although Rex should absolutely be winning

A big individual of either one vs an average would sway the fight in their favor

[pliant cedar]

trex and giga is like 60/40, 55/45 in favor of rex if equal sizes
swaps if u use larger sizes for giga

[warped peak]

Which JWD did, big big Giga

[pliant cedar]

with the osteoderms
and rex's gangly body and strangely weak bite

[stiff osprey]

JW Giga is like 16 meters long or something

So it would most certainly win against a real life T.rex just by virtue of being the size of a sauropod

[tacit pine]

Idk bro, in jwd they mentioned giga being 100% accurate in the jw universe. Rex in jw Dosent seem like its the top 1 of the theropods

[warped peak]

Good thing we have almost every other universe

[tacit pine]

Yeah? But in jw people shouldnt expect rex to come out on top every time.

[warped peak]

Indeed but this was never about Jurassic World

[tacit pine]

Meh meant to reply to w different message about jw

[fluid inlet]

In path of titans Tyrannotitan is longer and taller and therefore bigger than T. rex in real life.

[zinc solstice]

I just saw someone say Lishulong was like 10 tons, is that accurate

[hallow spear]

No

I’m reposting this because I want to start a debate (argument)

[tough parcel]

Evidence we should destroy you?

[wary heath]

What was the last land croc to exist

[wind prairie]

mekosuchus

[arctic turtle]

That is exactly what I’m talking about

[frigid delta]

i will not tolerate any Rex slanders
AT. ALL.

[sudden wind]

@tough parcel

[tulip gyro]

why was my gif removed?

[sudden wind]

Funnily enough, I find it so funny that I did these Carchs (Carcha and Giga) years ago and I find them similar to TTT in some aspects.

Mostly the way the lower jaw is scaled.

[white matrix]

where does the subspecies “grandis” come from

carolinii is the giga and chubutensis is the actual tyrannotitan

[tough parcel]

Nowhere, it's just "big" in Latin or w/e

[white matrix]

so it’s not a subspecies for any kind of Giganotosauruine??

[tough parcel]

A) Subspecies don't exist because it's based in genetics

B) No, don't believe so

[white matrix]

that’s lame

so we got a giga pretty much and a actual tyrannotitan and then just some random thing

[ionic crescent]

Tbh, ironically subspecies in-game are handled poorly, cause those are actual species 🗿

[tough parcel]

Yea that's the problem 😭

[white matrix]

so we got a hidden giga 😭😭

[wind prairie]

this game broke so many peoples' understanding of subspecies and species it's hilarious

[stark rampart]

Subspecies do exist to the same extent families, genera and species exist; they are incredibly important for conservation purposes, even if their assignment is not consistent and is somewhat arbitrary (taxonomy is a shorthand and ambiguous). But yeah, subspecies for pre-Pleistocene taxa is ultimately folly, you're not gonna have enough data to classify them lol

No way on Earth we gonna have carcharodontosaurid subspecies just due to how few and far between fossils are

[frigid delta]

shame tbh
should be saharicus or roseae

[stark rampart]

I feel PoT did well enough with the Tyrannotitan subspecies personally. Obviously they're not realistic, and some are made up for most of the animals, but still

[olive moat]

Soon to be turtle

[velvet burrow]

Yes, and a very ugly one

I thought Meraxes killed that hideous 90s skull smh

[white matrix]

i mean it’s decently accurate

[frigid delta]

Allosaurus anax has joined the chat

[wary heath]

About time.

Now all the pnso saurophaganax figures can technically be called allosaurus

[raven osprey]

Nice time for allo rework with argilla alike looks but that size also keep one subspecies with exposed teeth please thanks alderon for keeping the exposed teeth on the dasp rework wish they gave atleast one exposed teeth subspecies for the tyranotitan that dino is looking good love the animation

[wary heath]

Now we just need to make oxalaia a spinosaurus species

[halcyon cobalt]

no

[low raven]

Isn’t just split in 2 now? The name still exist as a sauropod and what we thought it was is Allo Anax

[white matrix]

wait what happened

is saurophaganax no more ???

[halcyon cobalt]

now it’s a species of allosaurus and a sauropod

[fluid inlet]

Guys how accurate is this

[white matrix]

wait so saurophaganax was just a big allosaur the whole time and it got it’s bones mixed up with other dinos???

path of titans allo is now paleo accurate in size ????😭

[astral spindle]

Oh naw, I N E E D those 🙏

[sharp forge]

Where you get those?

[rose gate]

Is the in-game Tyranotitan this tall in comparison to Tyranosaurus in real life too?

[sudden wind]

TTT is supposed to be quite much smaller (6 tons for like 11 meters iirc). Height wise it's prob shorter.

[fluid inlet]

Pnso and Haolonggood

[fluid inlet]

Where this list from

[frigid delta]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GVpHchzogtjkTqQrP7PFM2BAWMGHYHABD-Xnk_6KPj0/edit#gid=0

[honest cobalt]

They pretty much made giga, but called it Tyrannotitan. Since they like using the lesser known species. Same with how Achillo is basically utah etc

[severe wolf]

Sure sure.

[sudden wind]

Nvm then

[topaz shell]

It’s allo but still a different species

[bright pilot]

Apparently Allosaurus Anax is almost as questionable as Saurophaganax was

I give it a month before it goes to nomen dubium

[sudden wind]

Saurophaganax would also become a nomen dubium btw

[tough parcel]

Stay as one*

[outer tusk]

Rapetosaurus is peak taxon

[steady smelt]

How heavy is ekrixinato?

[stiff osprey]

~1.4t

[calm agate]

Henry you've uh, you've vastly misremembered that

Ekrix is 1.7 tonnes this is without extended modern legs, though that'd probably only add like 15-20kg

[outer tusk]

Ekrixinatosauurs is such a goat'd theropod

[tulip dove]

Badass name

Explosion born reptile

[outer tusk]

guys is there a dinosaur that's the size of a cookie

[cloud badger]

Yes

[warped peak]

Hummingbirds and the Yi qi family

[west coral]

depends on the cookie

[cloud badger]

Anything under 40000pou'ds because that's the largest cookie ever made

[gentle pier]

https://youtu.be/WbCQxBTcyRk?si=x3ldAQVYi4VbPj4j

[outer tusk]

average chocolate chip size cookie

[cloud badger]

Parvicursor weight 162g
That's about 2.5 cookies take it or leave it

[outer tusk]

Peak

[umbral kite]

guys would u try para roast ,utah dropstick, diabloceratop steak or trex chops

[stiff osprey]

Diablo steak

[cloud badger]

Para roast might taste way better

[umbral kite]

I never eat. a para utah drumstick sound good

[velvet burrow]

Wha

And carno and pyc?

[tough parcel]

Dude, it's the message directly below it 💀

[umbral kite]

are achillo and utah the same size

[velvet burrow]

It's not?

[tough parcel]

You're on thin ice buddy

[stiff osprey]

Carno weighs 1.8-2t, Pycno is 2.6-3t

[magic monolith]

Hows majunga on the fat scale?

[stiff osprey]

presumably a bit smaller than ekrix

[abstract flame]

Which are the most accurate dinosaurs ever found?

[bleak kiln]

Depends what you mean by that but I'd say borealpelta

[gentle pier]

Birds

[abstract flame]

More than Psittacosaurus?

[bleak kiln]

Mhm hard to say

[static stirrup]

Psitta is the most accurate reconstruction, Boreal is the most accurate fossil, no?

[bleak kiln]

Think so but we have amazing knowledge about both hard to say

[stray wren]

Psittaco is by far the most accurately constructed dinosaur to date, Borealo is the best presereved (thanks to ankylosaurs being terrible swimmers)

[abstract flame]

How? It drowned?

[stray wren]

Yeah it drowned, washed out to sea, and sunk belly facing up. That's why it's preserved from the top down unlike other fossils.

It isn't uncommon to find Ankylosaurs like this, they were dense and not very good swimmers based on data (and the fact we have so many drowned and ocean-bound specimens)

Zuul was likely preserved the same, or a similar way

[tough parcel]

Me when I drown

[small geyser]

Such a cool fossil.

[static stirrup]

The real reason why Ankylosaurs aren't around is that they all tried swimming apparently!

[stray wren]

Borealo on the left, Zuul the right

Me when a lot of Ankylosaurs lived in floodplains

[abstract flame]

Oh

[stray wren]

A species from Asia, Liaoningosaurus, even squashed a fish when it drowned (leading to the misconception that it was semi-aquatic, when in reality it was just a baby that drowned)

[warped peak]

Imagine killing something by being so fat your death causes a chain reaction

[tough parcel]

Erm buddy, the fish was eaten because why else would it be in the torso..,.,,.

(I assume the fish might've been scavenging and a current shoved the carcass over, closing it off. Or something like that)

[stray wren]

It's also outside the chest cavity so

it was infront of bone so shoving the carcass over is probably what happened

[tranquil quartz]

Its true I was the fish

[tough parcel]

Did you die?

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah😔😔…

[keen forum]

ah Allosaurus

[low raven]

No Utah is larger

[outer tusk]

utahraptor is 350-500kg and achillobator is 250-300kg

my backside

[ionic marsh]

I feel as 350-500kg is most common estimates as of I've seen

[outer tusk]

wait mb unc, uh I've never scaled it myself but like what spunger said those estimates are the most common given the size of the fossils and where they scale for the animal

the 777kg is an overestimate of that specimen as it gives us sizes like a 4.9 ton giganotosaurus and a 627kg spinosaurus

[ionic marsh]

I've seen that even saying 300kg is an underestimate considering a robust tanky build in density and structure

[outer tusk]

true

[sullen cairn]

500kg utahraptor is based off a volumetric estimate of hartman's skeletal scaled to the largest 60cm femur, achillobator is generally considered smaller because the only specimen has a much shorter (~50cm) femur

obviously its possible achillobator falls within utahraptor's adult size variation but without further information on either's life history most people provisionally consider utahraptor larger given the largest specimen is much larger than the only achillobator we have

[ionic marsh]

Yea

[stiff osprey]

the largest Utahraptor specimen is certainly significantly larger than the Achillobator holotype, but saying one species is larger than the other is inherently doubtful because we have a sample size of 1 for Achillobator

[sullen cairn]

granted thats kinda implied when comparing almost any dinosaur taxa

[stiff osprey]

I was gonna make a joke about the bissekty giant being an elder Achillobator or something but i forgot that Achillobator isn't from bissekty

[sullen cairn]

but the largest utahraptor being 120% the linear dimensions of (the single) achillobator is a fine enough standard for most people to consider one bigger for the sake of online discussion at least

[stiff osprey]

curse mid cretaceous asian formations and their unmemorableness

[sullen cairn]

i don't think we actually know what constitutes an "adult" utahraptor or not given the lack of histology tmk

[outer tusk]

"elder" like prior extinction!

hey AJ I know this completely offtopic but are you by any chances possibly, maybe, certainly, plausibly, from ECOS?

[wraith kindle]

Didn't I run into you yesterday?

Anyway, I thought all or most dinos had determinative growth? That is, they didn't keep growing (though greatly slowed after a point) all their lives and stopped at a genetically determined point (barring genetic disorders).

[outer tusk]

DUDE DEADASS

[sullen cairn]

rex and something like meraxes or acro would probably be a more fair comparison in terms of the discrepancy between achillo and the largest utahraptor

giga and rex and much more comparable in size

[stiff osprey]

They did, elder dinosaurs aren't actually a thing (other than like them becoming physically weaker and arthritic in old age lol)

[sullen cairn]

granted that one meraxes may or may not be giga sized but that isn't the point

[wraith kindle]

I thought you meant Elder chronologically speaking.

[sullen cairn]

actually taurovenator might be the best comparison here given that

[stiff osprey]

well yes obviously older dinosaurs exist, but it's fairly common for a younger dinosaur to be larger than an older one, because of determinate growth + natural individual variation. So calling anything an elder dinosaur is kind of pointless

[sullen cairn]

i was under the impression it was somewhere around 6t give or take at the largest

[wraith kindle]

I just missed the reference is all.

[sullen cairn]

are 250kg utahraptor and 250kg achillobator using the same methodology

[stiff osprey]

allometry estimates put acro at like 3.7 t max, so technically you can make Acrocanthosaurus substantially larger than 'commonly thought' by like, having common sense

if we scale down Utahraptor to a 50cm femur length we get ~290kg, so whatever method was used to get the 250kg estimate is probably good

[sullen cairn]

and obviously there are achillobator-sized utahraptor but then there's the question of if they're even fully grown
which tbf also applies to achillobator

[pliant cedar]

bissetky giant!!!!!

[sullen cairn]

in theory yeah but at the same time utah>achillo isn't especially presumptious in terms of comparing taxa
like by the same logic we shouldn't be saying tarbosaurus is larger than daspletosaurus but nobody really holds stuff to that standard online

[halcyon cobalt]

Bissekty giant is my favourite toe ever

[sullen cairn]

it'd be nice but at the same time would be completely unsurprised if someone's takeaway was something lovely like "every theropod got to 10t"
i always thought it was kinda implied when comparing the size of taxa known from few specimens or unknown life histories but that might be expecting too much of people

[stiff osprey]

in any case, expecting people not to discuss size estimates for giant animals because they have small sample sizes/are poorly preserved won't make them stop doing it, it will just make people not like you

[sullen cairn]

this is to say that the paleocommunity knowledge apparatus largely operates on a system of people playing very protracted telephone with information they parrot without having absorbed or digested whatsoever which usually ends in tears

see "there is an upcoming saurophaganax monograph next year that is debunking the other days' study" for more

[thorn grove]

I think part of it is also people see it as just a big fight ring and so they want to compare everything at its maximum possible size because "I want to beat you at your best" like fair fight mentality, rather than actually thinking about it in terms of ecology or anything

[warped peak]

We discussing theropod power (size) scaling again?

[stiff osprey]

this is more of a meta discussion really

[thorn grove]

not exactly, moreso the observation of max-size defaultism in dinosaur discussions

[warped peak]

Ahh that's a good one

It's not even worth discussing normal sized specimens anymore :)

[thorn grove]

actually to be fair this extends into modern animal discussions as well

[warped peak]

Prionosuchus casually ranging from 100kg to 2100kg

[stiff osprey]

we have no evidence that the tiny priono were adults, unlike mighty allosaurus with its confirmed 400-5000 kg range

[warped peak]

Fair. We just kinda assumed because that's the normal size for other Archegosaurs

[sullen cairn]

tiny allosaurus is so silly like you have no reason exist why

[thorn grove]

funny

[warped peak]

It also boils down to the variation between Species vs Genus level distinction

Different species may as well not be the same animal

[sullen cairn]

public support for nanoallus increasing by the day it seems

[warped peak]

Nanotyrannus vs Nanoallus

[stiff osprey]

everyone knows that size is not a diagnostic character but i feel like when you have that big of a size range across skeletally mature individuals maybe it should be

[halcyon cobalt]

nanotyrannus had a higher midichlorian count to it scales to large building level

[wind prairie]

imagine how this felt

[jagged trellis]

how to solve migraines with this 1 simple trick:

[wind prairie]

sitting in the open savannah with your fellas and suddenly a cat puts my entire head in its mouth

[tranquil quartz]

I don’t think you’d be feeling much bro thats pierced the skull

[wraith kindle]

Lolwut?

[brave stump]

Prehistoric lobotomy

[sly viper]

Guys how monumental is this

[umbral kite]

I want this as a pet is a ano or anky

[ionic marsh]

How does he get back up

[brave stump]

It doesn’t

[umbral kite]

it use it tail or rolls violently

[wraith kindle]

I can see it using it's tail as leverage, and depending on how rigid the armor is (I don't know if it's more akin to chain mail or more like plate armor), it should be able to twist.

[umbral kite]

wat is it though

[lavish frigate]

Honestly if bro had a headache that’d be a great pressure release for his sinuses

[lavish frigate]

What is lil bro

[umbral kite]

how accurate is this

[outer tusk]

not

[umbral kite]

[outer tusk]

I mean what is this suppoe to be

[hushed fossil]

Paralititan herd stomping a Carcharodontosaurus to death while Araripesuchus watch

If I remember correctly

[minor thistle]

He's all chill untill I get my apex carni to sneak up on him like

[halcyon cobalt]

mymoorapelta I’m pretty sure. Art is by Joshua knüppe

[halcyon cobalt]

the fearsome musthopods and their boundless rage

[umbral kite]

ty for telling me the artist

[fluid inlet]

Peaceful

[sharp canyon]

Does anyone know what milleri means in regards to Dimetrodon milleri?

[wraith kindle]

Looks like its gonna shoot fireballs out of its paws or doing magic, so, no.

@sharp canyon Named after someone whose last name is Miller? Looks like standard pseudolatin naming.

[tacit pine]

Not accurate but still cool comic

[frigid delta]

https://youtu.be/O-_tMcYSx70?si=s5fJVLyXncuqbswe
huh?

[brazen moss]

So why that allo saurophaganax sub gone?

[frigid delta]

#paleontology message
https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/vamp/index.php/VAMP/article/view/29404

[wraith kindle]

Because its an invalid name, is my understanding.

[wraith kindle]

Vamp?

[wraith kindle]

Its not even a diplodocid in the first place?

[frigid delta]

https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/vamp/index.php/VAMP/article/view/29404
The name Saurophaganax maximus should refer to a previously undiagnosed diplodocid

[wraith kindle]

Oh, paleontology is weird like that sometimes, yea. I thought it was an allosaur?

Weird to diagnose a theropod as a sauropod, but im sure paleontology has seen more out there interpretations.

[wary heath]

Fossilized bird egg?

[inner thunder]

anyone know how A.anx is big?

[wintry path]

goodbye saurophaganax hello a.anax

[wintry path]

i think estimates put it at 40 something

apparently it would’ve weighed around 3 to 4.5 tonnes

BUT theres still a vertebrae thats unknown

so if they fund a vertebrae with something else conmected to it then saurophaganax can live again

[sly viper]

No fossilised dinosaur egg just about to hatch in near perfect condition

[frigid delta]

@wintry path also, forgot to mention u too

[frigid delta]

compared to Tyrannosaurus 'Sue' rex

[inner thunder]

Is it larger than torvo involved in edmarka?

[inner thunder]

If it is possible, A.anax is larger than T.stan and small trex.

[fluid inlet]

Anax is a punk

[snow python]

Isn't Edmarka 11,5m and 5,2t?

[honest cobalt]

Reminds me of the planet dinosaur episode. Mapu gets squished by an argent

[wraith kindle]

If it’s a diplodocoid, why is it still called allosaurus?

[tough parcel]

I wonder...

Perhaps there was a deep in-depth discussion as to why Saurophaganax was being split into 3 groups (A. anax, A. sp. and diplodocid) in the paper...

[wraith kindle]

I’m confused because saurophaganax was resolved into A. An ax, but it’s a diplodicid too?

[wraith kindle]

Oh. I didn’t read the paper though.

[tough parcel]

There were lots of referred bones (aka bones not associated with the holotype directly, but were considered the same species) that turned out to be either Allosaurus sp. or diplodocid

[wraith kindle]

Ah, so, kind of like Dakotaraptors situation.

[tough parcel]

Yea

[left jolt]

i was told the tooth on this necklace was a velociraptor but it's around an inch long and not very curved so i was wondering what y'all think it is, larger dromeosaurid? small tyrannosaurid? or actually a velociraptor tooth

[pliant cedar]

MY SAUROPHAGANAX MODEL ARRIVES ON FRIDAY AM SO HAPPY

[sharp dragon]

I didn't know Saurophaganax was a model, guess it had to find a job somewhere after it became invalid.

[wraith kindle]

Wouldn’t they be consistent within a species? With some individual variation.

I mean, I don’t know what air sac intrusion looks like, is it random?

Where did the posts explaining it go?

[sharp dragon]

Eated them, sorry.

[sinful gorge]

Saurophaganax is dead. It's called Allosaurus anax now.

[bitter vault]

i kinda wanna place a X in from of anax for xanax xD....

[faint salmon]

Hello

[pliant cedar]

ik
still gonna call it sauro since i like it more

[hushed fossil]

What Synapsids could chew?

And when did it start?

[stiff osprey]

I imagine gorgonopsids weren't chewing much given their tooth shape, while cynodonts did chew

[open compass]

What dino is that?

[kindred night]

Edaphosaurs are the first to evolve a form of chewing using their unique tooth batteries but that evolved independently of mammals. Otherwise proper mammalian chewing likely arrived with cynodonts

[hushed fossil]

Interesting. Thanks for responding

[tulip stream]

Looks like a parave

Probably one of these

Except for troodontidae or drameosauridae

Same with avialae

[west coral]

Some sort of coelurosaur that had its feathers preserved in amber

[smoky arrow]

My friends this week we have lost the king

Saurophaganax has been removed from the allosaur family and is now a sauropod

[floral cradle]

brother saurophoganax was like a dream for it to be an allosaurus

[open compass]

We stil don't know it's name?

[west coral]

Still hasn’t been formally named

[wary heath]

Does pnso have a trex figure that has lips covering its teeth when the mouth is closed?

[fallow citrus]

naur not yet

[wary heath]

At least now that saurophaganax is allosaurus, you can still buy the pnso model for sauro and it will be allosaurus

[cloud breach]

Not a good thing

[hallow spear]

Saurophaganax is not Allosaurus not via the paper, they lean towards it being possibly more sauropod but still undefineable

[steel fog]

Sauros name will now be transferred to the species of sauropod they have discovered

[tall prawn]

guys wth is the largest terrestrial non dinosaur carnivore

[stiff osprey]

barinasuchus, fasolasuchus, or prestosuchus

[white matrix]

so wait saurophaganax is now thought to be a large sauropod but the large allosaurid remains are a whole new thing called allosaurus anax???

[polar scroll]

damn,shuno got an upgrade,well technically it´s another species but oh well

[outer tusk]

The other species is also fragmentary

[polar scroll]

Like always.literally any new species starts off as fragmentary.

there may be a few exceptions

[outer tusk]

I mean in shunosaurus case the second species was described in 2004, aka 20-21 years ago

[polar scroll]

Damn. . .

[warped peak]

Jonkeria I believe actually

This freak

[iron halo]

Wasn’t jonkeria an omnivore

[warped peak]

So is a Grizzly

[stiff osprey]

they asked for the largest terrestrial carnivore

[polar scroll]

OOOOOO WHAT THE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL

[warped peak]

Carnivorous Omnivore still means it's worth discussing, considering it'd be heavier than Fasola if the GDI i remember correctly

[polar scroll]

also i saw Cave Bear model in PK,i did NOT realize it was THAT small.

[white matrix]

wasn’t tyrannotitan/giga a sauropod killer

so could this mean we are getting sauropods to kill ???

[topaz shell]

Wrong chat

(But yeah tyranno hunted sauropods)

[white matrix]

this is why i asked here ^

[brave stump]

Potato with legs

[warped peak]

Death Tato

[dull stag]

No more Saurophaganax 💔

[white matrix]

yep just allo anax

[stiff osprey]

brother you are either carnivorous or omnivorous

I think you're looking for largest terrestrial predator, which can be omnivorous as well as carnivorous

[warped peak]

That's fair yea

Fasola for Carnivore (or that new giant specimen from Sweden), and That giant specimen or Jonkeria for predator

[dull stag]

Lol to think of it the name Suarophaganax is like a mix of Sauropod + Allosaurus Anax, we were too blind to see the obvious

[exotic badger]

I heard abt a fossil discovery from 2006 abt a trike and t-rex fossilized in battle? Has there been any updates abt that

[warped peak]

This dude

[stiff osprey]

This seems. questionable

That footprint is absolutely from a theropod dinosaur, crocs don't have three toed feet like that (minus Poposaurus but that's a whole other can of worms)

Mandible is pseudosuchian for sure, but judging by the human fingers? in the image, the gray one seems to be scaled way too big

[warped peak]

The Grey one is just using the first one as a rough dimensional placeholder. It's not an image of the exact specimen, but matching the dimensions given for the same bone

The footprint I can't speak to the origin of, but were found around the site with it

[drifting knoll]

Acrocanthosaurs toe claw fossil model!!! Merry Christmas to meeee 🔥 does this seem accurate to you guys?

[stiff osprey]

Can you share the measurements of the mandible?

[warped peak]

Admittedly I can't track down the measurements at this time, but I believe it was around 60cm?

It wasn't a hard measurement as the fossil as not been fully described or publicly revealed, but going off of the rough word of the conference man

The larger mandible is supposedly from a different species than the smaller one, but they are thought to be related. The mandible corresponds with other giant fossil material such as vertebrae

[crystal dock]

Hypothetically could a small enough pterosaur like Pterodactylus live a parasitic lifestyle

[stiff osprey]

well, without measurements of images of the fossil there's not much i can do. But 5500kg would be more than twice the size of the next largest predatory pseud, so it's going to need some extraordinary evidence

[warped peak]

To be fair, we have a record of giant footprints across Europe from that time too

But yeah it'll definitely need to be formally described before taken as law

[fluid inlet]

Has any material been found of the Mongolian titan

[white matrix]

who wants to bet allo anax is just a giant fragilis

[light osprey]

Yeah we have plenty of Opisthocoelicaudia/Nemegtosaurus 🤗

[velvet burrow]

I would rather not put any literal or figurative money in extremely fragmentary species tbh

[halcyon cobalt]

allosaurus maximus

[bleak rose]

https://youtu.be/WbCQxBTcyRk?si=_2eMKch91biFN34Q

Not sure how actually fully accurate this is, but my god, it looks absolutely awesome

The way they move their heads like birds of prey is just precious

[frigid delta]

CoolioArt more like CoolioPeak

[tranquil quartz]

what, when did a spino get lost at sea and kill a plesiosaur

[tacit pine]

Animation def needs some more work ngl. 😬

[frigid delta]

Rajang what r u even implying abt my horned cousin?

[tranquil quartz]

Nah doesn’t matter, some person just deleted a message saying spino killed plesiosaur

[fluid inlet]

did i miss something im on facebook and someone said prehistoric planet is coming back?

[sweet ingot]

got a spinosaurus tooth necklace for christmas! its supposedly authentic, but im not entirely sure

everything ive read online points to it most likely being real

[stiff osprey]

it probably is real, if you'd got a whole jaw or several teeth + a piece of jaw then those are usually fake

but teeth are fairly common to find in that region so they get sold a lot

[sweet ingot]

yeah i got this one tooth for like, $80 usd

[umbral kite]

is argent tail like a wipe or a bludgeoning weapon

[thorn grove]

it could be used like that yea

[warped peak]

The animation is extremely fluent, especially for an edit of a 30+ year old film

[tacit pine]

Nah its jittery sometimes and a tiny bit too fast movements sometimes like with the tail. Also some very slight lighting issues ngl. Keep in mind jp mixed in animatronics too.

[warped peak]

And you can say that without being outright rude too.

How

[drowsy venture]

What makes me mad is seeing a velociraptor barely covered in feathers.

[indigo cradle]

People still use grotesque wrong and we expect internet dude to know what grimace means

[halcyon cobalt]

I think it’s pretty visually obvious that “😬” is negative

[tacit pine]

Meh

At the end of the day its a couple of pixels making an expression

[lavish frigate]

Some people were saying some of the animation looks jittery and I think half of them just don’t know how birds move because this stuff is PEAK! Almost movie quality

So much better than that other version with the Utahraptors that both wasn’t the full scene and didn’t have their lips cover the down turn at the snout tip

[light osprey]

Yeah there’s not really any unintentional stuttering in the animation

Not sure what they were on about. It’s really quite fantastic for a fan-made video. Feels as if the artists is still attempting to capture the late 90’s Spielberg aesthetic

[indigo cradle]

The reason why many early animatronics were birds
Because they move jittery

[river plinth]

he is lord of the eaters now

[honest cobalt]

This is awesome! Thanks for sharing

[open compass]

I wish it was real but it's not

[frigid delta]

ofc not silly those hammerheads are dead as hell

[fluid inlet]

💔

[umbral kite]

Hi makatoony I'm your fan before, now I don't really watch your videos.

[open compass]

Hi, appreciate you sharing that.
I guess not everyone sticks around, but I’m glad my content was interesting to you at some point. I’ll keep creating for those who still enjoy it.

[umbral kite]

Ty, I enjoy your path of Titans animation before it was very interesting 🙂

[tulip gyro]

just a axolotl or a tiger salamander with diffrent head

[steady smelt]

Conc

[ionic crescent]

@kindred night they need dimetroinfo

[brave stump]

You should put it in #art-channel

[kindred night]

Yeah its named after a guy named Miller. Don't have the description paper on me as I'm away for the holidays. It's Romer 1937 and available in the Wikipedia refs though

[floral cradle]

why is Dacentrurus so undervalued its literally the biggest stegosaurid known

[polar scroll]

Crazy to think the name-sake of the genus (stegosaurus) is not the biggest of it´s kind XD

[floral cradle]

yea lol and it was the first stegosaur to be discovered

[outer tusk]

Dacenturus is 7t
Stegosaurus is 8t

[floral cradle]

yea there kinda similiar

[zealous ravine]

Planning on doing a Nemegt formation diorama and I have a couple questions, one: are there any good visual references for the plants and general environment, two: are there any good/accurate figures out there of Tarbosaurus, Alioramus, or Saurolophus?

[tranquil quartz]

Its not Stegosaurus is bigger

[polar scroll]

Wait was there new paper that hightened the weight of stegosaurus? since in a video made by (i forgot),dacentrurus was placed in the top as the biggest stegosaur-

[iron halo]

Factor trace I presume?

[jagged trellis]

( factor trace kinda forgor the frags for stego and used dacens)
also wasn't one of the high end dacen ones just not right lmao

[icy panther]

anyone here know any good books on palaeontology ? i will be starting my studies to become one in a year and i love to read abt stuff like this so id higly appreciate any advice <3

[winter marsh]

bro became that big by swallowing Miragaia

[zealous ravine]

I’m ngl, PNSO’s Zuul makes an excellent Tarchia, the skull even matches up fairly well. Also @fluid inlet I got a new fig lol

[coral quail]

What happened to Troodon?

[tough parcel]

Shot decades ago

[stiff osprey]

shot down by toronto police

[coral quail]

Crazy work

[floral cradle]

its no longer valid

[wary heath]

Why it's head like that.

[floral cradle]

and to assume that troodon had the biggest brain to body ratio just by comparing its teeth

[coral quail]

Why do we keep getting rid of dinosaurs. Like it does get annoying of naming a dinosaur species only for later on finding out that bone belongs to something else.

[zealous ravine]

Diplocaulus moment

[floral cradle]

its normal actually, basically we find different stages of dinosaurs in their growth and like there different they are named seperatly

[zealous ravine]

I mean that's just how science works, it marches on. In this case troodon was named a long time ago when we didn't know as much about dinosaurs. Back then the teeth were super unique, but now we realize they're fairly standard for troodontidae

[wary heath]

Can pnso "saurophaganax" stand by itself without falling?

[floral cradle]

thats why there are synonyms or creatures with little to no info to be discarded as currently unvalid

[stiff osprey]

Yes, but i wouldn't leave it unsupported for long

it can stand but if anything touches it it falls over

[halcyon cobalt]

it doesn’t just happen to prehistoric species. whether you like it or not, it’s an aspect of science to correctly name and classify species, and to be entirely against the notion is unscientific

[fluid inlet]

I don’t think so and that’s why I didn’t buy it, it’s a shame because I also really wanted to buy Tyrannotitan.

[fluid inlet]

Damn this one is nice too! I def need a ankylosaurid in my collection , I got the majungasaurus btw its so little

[zealous ravine]

Oh sick! I have that one on the way! Should show up any time now!

[brave stump]

Look so good

[fluid inlet]

I want the Tyrannotitan so bad but my issue is if I’m paying 50$ for a model it needs to be able to stand up on its own. That’s just my own criteria.

[umbral kite]

guys how do we knew dinosaurs used there taill to attack mainly things like hadrosaur or theropods how do we know they used it to hit things

[halcyon cobalt]

it’s a big heavy muscled extremity which comprised half their length. it probably wasn’t that effective of a weapon in most dinosaurs though ( thyreophorans are an exception )

[outer tusk]

^

[fluid inlet]

I reckon a lot of tails were used for balance , but there’s always multi purpose. Komodo dragons can use their tails to whip but you have to look at the body plan they have. They do use it to attack but it’s already so close to the ground it doesn’t really have any repercussions for swinging it the way they do.

[umbral kite]

guess wat dino this is

here a hint it a saurpoda

[outer tusk]

That's just A.I

[halcyon cobalt]

AI slop

[umbral kite]

but guess

[outer tusk]

Btw is something like this plausible ( minus whiskers )

[halcyon cobalt]

don’t lizards have way more flexible tails than dinosaurs?

[umbral kite]

i looked it up this was the first thing i saw

[quasi token]

how are you supposed to guess an AI, its not a real dinosaur its what the AI thinks a dinosaur is supposed to be (and failed spectacularly at depicting)

[halcyon cobalt]

the neck beard?

[floral cradle]

thats a pro souropod

[outer tusk]

Yeah basically lmao

[umbral kite]

it a apatosaurus

[quasi token]

well it gets a 0/10 on the looking like apatosaurus scale

[compact leaf]

it depends on the lizard and the dinosaur, like the very end of some sauropod tails would be very flexible and stegosaurs had a wide range of motion

[halcyon cobalt]

things like hadrosaurs and theropods were quite stiff tmk

[outer tusk]

obvious for an AI apatosaurus it's ass

[umbral kite]

is it tail longer than it whole body

[floral cradle]

yea kinda tail is like half its length lol

[zealous ravine]

Fair, I'd like to get it at some point cause I like the colors

[zealous ravine]

Flexible yes, but strong no

[wary heath]

That can't stand either?

[zealous ravine]

They were incredibly powerful, and in some cases the strongest part of the animal, why wouldn't they? Especially considering so many groups evolved tail weapons, the behavior had to have been there to begin with

[umbral kite]

wat would hurt more getting hit by paras leg or getting hit by a argents tail

[outer tusk]

what do you think

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I think the tails were definitely multi purpose , for a good amount of them, dinosaurs like triceratops na. I feel like a good amount could smack you into next week however.

[fluid inlet]

No sadly it needs a support stance, I’m not saying don’t buy it because it is indeed a great model. It’s just me personally I got issues with that.

[halcyon cobalt]

you probably wouldn’t feel much after getting hit by an argent’s tail

[wary heath]

Are all pnso dinosaurs on a 1:35 scale?

[frigid delta]

all of this started from one short ahh neck mammals 💜

[zealous ravine]

not all

[frigid delta]

Peacock, the first dinosaur i found at the town's zoo

[fluid inlet]

Yep not all of them , but there’s is a guy only YouTube that does measurements for them , so if there is a specific dinosaur you want to https://youtu.be/-1hb63OT_Kw?si=K83YGrvO9in7CRrK

[wary heath]

I know that their alamosaurus isn't really to scale

[frigid delta]

second Dinosaur, Pelican

[outer tusk]

is that tyrannotitan from path of titans!

[rare nexus]

People already tryna make copy's in real life 🙄

[fluid inlet]

its tyrannotitan from real life

[indigo cradle]

🧢

[stray saddle]

It was their food. Allosaurus for example could hunt Diplodocus , or Stegos too

Have in mind carnivores can hunt several times its weight lol

If they were hunting stegosaurus or Diplos imagin what they could do to moder animals.

Just to put in perspective Allosaurus weights the same as an elephant *

[warped peak]

Adult Stegosaurus and Diplodocus would be pretty rough for all but the largest Allosaurs

That being said, Allosaurus has a normal size range from 500 to 3000kg, with some outliers possibly reaching all the way up to a staggering 6000kg

[stray saddle]

Yes, definitely not easy

[stray saddle]

Crazy to think how being less fat than an elephant he literally weight the same, those are muscles,, and very tough bones, Jesus

[indigo cradle]

If something is 3000kg and another thing is 3000kg that means they have the same mass

[thorn grove]

I mean a 6 ton allosaurus is also like 3 times longer than a similar weight elephant, despite being less fat

[thorn grove]

I was talking to my friend who knows more about the Morrison than I do, and he mentioned how the larger allo specimens come from the same stage in the morrison as when a lot of the larger sauropod species existed/were most common, so it seems that that stage just had larger fauna in general.

Point being while allo was bigger at that time, a lot of its prey options were bigger as well, so the general ecology may have been preserved, just upscaled.

But again that's admittedly hearsay

[river plinth]

Hadrosaurs yes but depends on the situation I can definitely see a Edmontosaurus swatting something away like medium sized dinos smaller than it now theropods that's tricky but I think they were mostly for balance and a rutter for chasing prey

[river plinth]

I don't see why not tbh who knows

[west coral]

i knew carch was big but damn

[stiff osprey]

perhaps the tyrannotitan is small

[storm heron]

A poor man's Carcharadontosaurus

[fluid inlet]

carcha will always be the king

[river plinth]

Many ppl still figuring out that carch was estimated bigger than it was

[fluid inlet]

Tyrannotitan is still huge tho

[halcyon cobalt]

perhaps the ear toothed tyrant titan is not as dangerous as was thought

[storm heron]

There is a reason its called "Tyrant Titan"

[hardy sentinel]

Is it possible for Alioramus to have kicked it's prey on the ground like house cats do? Like grabbing the prey, slamming it into the ground and kicking? I wanna do a drawing of an Alio kicking a Mononykus to death and wanna make sure it's actually possible first

[steady smelt]

Any conc,cerato speed estimates?

[snow python]

Which one was bigger Taurovenator, Acro or Meraxes?

[cobalt mountain]

Do you guys think that dasps and torvos might have been more populated and better fed vs the trex during the late Cretaceous?

[indigo cradle]

Most likely

[hardy sentinel]

Probably

[sudden wind]

Acro iirc. Though Tauro would be the smallest of them all.

[patent mist]

Pretty sure the population of torvos during the cretaceous was 0

[snow python]

I saw tauro estimated at 11,8m and 5,7t

[sudden wind]

Nvm then

[indigo cradle]

Pog

[outer tusk]

6.1 tonnes

[pliant cedar]

donald the saurophaganax has arrived

[tranquil quartz]

Donald the Allosaurus anax

[pliant cedar]

:(

[outer tusk]

saurischian indet*

[pliant cedar]

i mean
allosaurus anax is real
i can just call this allosaurus anax

[steady smelt]

Achillo,conc,cerato and allo (using the pot size chart)

[stray wren]

Yeah A. anax is real

for now anyway it could just be a pre-exisitng species of Allosaurus

[sudden wind]

I expect A.anax to die and Saurophaganax not to be revived as an Allosaurid. Best thing they could do is Allosaurus indet. because this thing is undiagnostic.

[low raven]

Well they already said surophaganax is a sauropod so it’s definitely not being revived as an allo it’s just a matter of what they thought saurophaganax was is Anax or a pre existing allo

[wraith kindle]

Plus random ichthyosaur.

Why does cerato have a random bit on its tail there?

[stiff osprey]

lots of questions to be asked here

[wary heath]

Does giga have any advantages over trex combat wise?

[steady smelt]

Eurhinosaurus,cera has a part of a head back there bc when i was cutting concave for the picture i didn't make It perfect and so there is a cerato head

[stiff osprey]

it has sharper teeth and a wider jaw opening
that's it

[wraith kindle]

Random as in ‘boom, random thing also here that you didn’t mention’

[wary heath]

Would it have been more agile

[stiff osprey]

no

[hallow spear]

you vastly underestimate the amount of sauropods on the menu for Allosaurus

[west umbra]

Taurovenator is the largest out of those 3

Tauro is bigger than tyrannotitan or mapusaurus but smaller than Giga pretty sure

[outer tusk]

oh oh like maraapunisaurus!!!!

[snow python]

Ttt is bigger at 7,3-7,5t and 11,7-12,1m

[outer tusk]

taurovenator is NOT bigger than ttt or mapu 😭

[snow python]

Mapu is 12,7m and 7,9t. Wikipedia isn't reliable

[tawny raft]

Some fossils acquired this holiday, felt like sharing. Unsure on the genera of the trilobite, was thinking elrathia or paradoxites but idk.

[west umbra]

How’s that

[outer tusk]

Taurovenator is between 5.7-6.2 tonnes which is technically larger than the holotype ttt but not by much but is also still smaller than the paratype and mapusaurus

[west umbra]

It must just have thick femurs then

[fluid inlet]

Yes you can, and now I have a reason to also buy it and just call it that as well.

[pliant cedar]

donald :D

[wary heath]

I would get this.

Having it all on a 1:35 scale is nice since you get accurate size comparisons between different species

[fluid inlet]

We need more pics !

[stiff osprey]

here's mine

[fluid inlet]

The fact that it stands up on its own…

Welp time to buy it

[wary heath]

Who would win in a fight. A. anax or torvosaurus

[stiff osprey]

It stands, but if like a light breeze touches it it'll fall

[pliant cedar]

pretty interchangeable,
torvo has the more powerful forelimbs, but allos have more mobility

[stiff osprey]

granted this is true of all bipedal figures i own except the pnso t.rex

[fluid inlet]

Even your sucho ? Mines stands up with no issues at all

[stiff osprey]

Don't have one, i have the deinocheirus, sauro, tyrannosaurus, lufengo, and the eofauna giga

[outer tusk]

should I get the eofuana giga though?

[stiff osprey]

only if you can find it for cheap. PNSO giga is better quality wise and accuracy wise too

[fluid inlet]

I find Tyrannotitan to be the most satisfying big carcharodontosaurid they did.

I got carcharodontosaurus it’s also pretty good imo. But Tyrannotitan is bigger than it and the paint job is super nice … from pnso.

[wary heath]

I'd want to get the pnso trex, giga, spino, and put them in a circle like it's a 3 way confrontation.

The 3 most powerful members of their own kind all together.

[potent bobcat]

The most powerful predator to ever live
The French

Carch was backstabbed to extinction

[steep sundial]

was meant to be a spinosaurus cookie, but.. it got a little fat during cooking. Any other dinosaurs which would fit it a little better? Just a gen question lol

its only a neck and head btw!

[winter marsh]

it kinda looks like a sauropod tbf, you should rename it xD. Also maybe a hadrosaur, idk

[fluid inlet]

Looks like a sauropod lol

[winter marsh]

same thoughts xD it looks like a diplodocid

[wary heath]

You should name it saurophaganax

[steep sundial]

they are so… twin corr… uhm

[frigid delta]

is it Nedoceratops or Diceratops???

[steep sundial]

this ones a quetzalcoatlus but i fidnt make the beak long enough

[fluid inlet]

This one look like a pizza

[warped peak]

Prionosuchus Volumetrics

[tacit pine]

[tulip stream]

From first to now 4th

[indigo cradle]

"horridus" man he's doing his best

[tulip stream]

Poor horridus

[steady rock]

why is there so many trike's

[stiff osprey]

So many invalid names

[halcyon cobalt]

wtf is ugrosaurus

[topaz shell]

It’s just trike

[dry kindle]

Imagine if conavenator's sail is incomplete and it was just a big meat sail like that of acro

[midnight wraith]

Is that list just Chasmosaurines? I remember Pachyrhino is pretty damn big for a ceratopsid.

[frigid delta]

WHO IS TRIKE MAXIMUS AND UGROSAURUS???

[languid cedar]

Hey folks bit of market research, my fossil collection is starting to turn my living room into Glasgows new natural history museum. I am going to be selling some after new year what do you folks thinks better wooden box frames or plastic 3D floating frames. I use the 3D frames for display myself and put my sculpts in the wooden box frames.

[jade cove]

Oh lawd he thicc

[halcyon cobalt]

good luck

[languid cedar]

Thanks

[celest pond]

Loewen, 2009a. Variation in the Late Jurassic theropod dinosaur Allosaurus: Ontogenetic, functional, and taxonomic implications

Sorry for the delay I have been busy

Also if you have any further questions, feel free to ask. At the beginning of the year I was studying some of Kenton's elements (identifying that some were sauropods) and I have been in contact with the study team for a good part of the year. So I can be of help if you have any questions about it.

[ionic crescent]

I believe Eotriceratops size there is the old size estimation

[frigid delta]

y'all

[tulip stream]

I thought the old one was it being way way taller than trike before it was discovered to be a bobble head

[tulip stream]

Invalid like those first two do not even exist

And what is albertensis that’s legit styracosaurus last name

[tough parcel]

Loving how these are synonyms or just...made up? What on earth is Ugrosaurus 😭

Oh it's an obscure Triceratops synonym that is so dumb that it doesn't even mention it on Wiki

[tulip stream]

Trike

Ugrosaurus sounds so dumb

[tough parcel]

Devious

[tulip stream]

I’m guessing T Maximus was the largest horridus found and Ugro is the 2nd largest horridus found?

[frigid delta]

so it's Nedoceratops? not Diceratops?

[tough parcel]

It's Triceratops!

[frigid delta]

Nedoceratops is Trike???

[tulip stream]

Dude that list sucks I really wanna know the actual size of eotriceratops

[tough parcel]

Guh

[frigid delta]

@tulip stream

[tough parcel]

Use this

[tulip stream]

Holy hell

[frigid delta]

nah use this instead @tulip stream
what i send is outdated

[tulip stream]

The downsize is massive

[frigid delta]

not really a downsize
what i send is the human weren't 6ft
meanwhile the Falcon gives uses a 6ft human
(womens )

[tulip stream]

Yeah I’m just saying random crap so yeah thanks

Like that is still pretty big

I’ll never forget this size estimate

[frigid delta]

outdated shi

[tulip stream]

Oversized as hell

[sterile trail]

PoT Eotrike

[umbral kite]

hey guys wat do u call a angry group of saurpod that start running toward u

[warped peak]

Ted

[umbral kite]

a saurpede

[outer tusk]

ha

[hallow spear]

he refers to it as A. sp sometimes in the paper though too, so it seems to be variable, do you know why it shouldnt be placed as fragilis?

[steady rock]

can i have the most up to date stego skeletal?

[snow python]

How big is the biggest zhychengtyrannus we have?

[hallow spear]

There isnt a good one rn, but if you dont care if its not adult then Any sophie skeletal is releatively okay

[steady rock]

oh, i wanted a adult skeletal to show how inaccurate pot stego is rn

[fluid inlet]

Who the other 2

[tranquil quartz]

Human and other dinosaur

[tough parcel]

Bro made random draw a skeletal, edit it afterwards, then says there's nothing good

[fluid inlet]

Be kind to each other.

[outer tusk]

no

[fluid inlet]

https://preview.redd.it/im-tired-boss-v0-km3i65wiso5a1.jpg?auto=webp&s=d6d60169850ab7042ec75eb7535bb6ef17285dab

[polar scroll]

How is that even possible

[hallow spear]

not true i didnt pay for the stego, i did however pay for it to be updated

[hallow spear]

POT stego is fine fornow given there really arnt any better options and the limb proportions stay similar

[tough parcel]

Same thing!!!

[hallow spear]

ur MOM

[tough parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/646196707524345886/1304606504552239194/homunculus.gif

[fluid inlet]

How accurate is this stego

[fast hollow]

He’s simply not silly enough Needs to be constantly airborne via helicopter back blades

[lavish frigate]

100% fr fr

Honestly though, the non croc scales variation is the best spoon in media, wish it had some fluff though

[umbral kite]

that aint my spino he look like his about to tell me every element in the periodic table

[thorn grove]

The holotype is ~10 meters and probably a bit over 4 tons. There’s a vertebra that indicates a roughly 11 meter individual but it’s unclear if it actually belongs to Zhuchengtyrannus or not.

[polar scroll]

Honestly,we dont really know,since Spinosaurus is still fragmentary,most of it´s body is a mystery,altough this might be the best interpretation to date,only time will tell when we discover the full body of spinosaurus

[wind prairie]

spinosaurus is not fragmentary and most of its body isn't a mystery

[tough parcel]

Love how people have gaslighted themselves into ignoring Ibrahim

[polar scroll]

wait fr????

[fluid inlet]

Spinosaurus is 12 tons

[tough parcel]

Whoever says that is a bit silly

[polar scroll]

let me re-phrase then.

[wind prairie]

pretty sure we have the whole thing except the arms are undescribed? correct me if I'm wrong

[tough parcel]

Even then, they probably wouldn't change much considering it can walk perfectly fine

[polar scroll]

i really need to keep up to date with paleontology-

[tough parcel]

It's been like this for 4 years

[polar scroll]

yeah,since the discovery of the tail fin i believe?

but in Pk´s case,they always get the design right

[abstract flame]

Where I Can see “ walking with dinosaurs?

[polar scroll]

Good question

[abstract flame]

https://youtube.com/shorts/iDIUAUCt1Ng?si=FE_XA_Z6YpaO2_C8 KOSERS really existed

[abstract flame]

I really want to Watch it

[tough parcel]

Daily motion

[abstract flame]

Thank you

[polar scroll]

"Watch my personal space mf" ahh scene

[hardy sentinel]

Do we know if Herrerasaurus is a proper theropod or are we still bouncing it between Sauropodomorph and Theropod?

[fluid inlet]

It’s a therapod

[stiff osprey]

me when I lie

[zealous ravine]

@fluid inlet The sausage has arrived!

[fluid inlet]

Their theropods are improving for sure

[zealous ravine]

mhm, they seem to have teased an upcoming Conca as well

[wary heath]

What were megaraptors most closely related to?

[zealous ravine]

right now, tyrannosaurs

[sullen cairn]

kirtlandian canada

[tough parcel]

Wow they're ugly

[indigo cradle]

Pachyrhinosaurus my beloved

[sullen cairn]

Part 2 (ft Montana)

[fluid inlet]

Who the second one in the back

[sullen cairn]

Lambeosaurus lambei

[fluid inlet]

Damn they bigger than I thought

[sullen cairn]

The power of partial skull scaling

[main copper]

I found this while scrolling so heres the video

[tulip stream]

He's anax now

[main copper]

Saurophagnax doesn't fit a sauropod because saurophagnax literally means Lord of the lizard eaters

Oh wait yeah Dakotaraptor is probably not valid

[tulip stream]

dakotaraptor isn't valid anymore either

[main copper]

Saurophagnax would be Lord of the lizard stompers

[wary heath]

Is it possible in the science community to swap the names of 2 creatures.

[main copper]

Dakotaraptor is fragmentary so it would not be a dromaeosaurid

[tulip stream]

dakotaraptor was found in a bone bed

[main copper]

Dakotaraptor is a mix of other dinosaurs

[tulip stream]

maybe we will one day find a large drameosaurid in hell creek

[wary heath]

What was the main reason for saurians downfall?

[tulip stream]

I doubt saurian was gonna finish anyways

[main copper]

Saurian will never release

[tulip stream]

I'm so glad I didn't buy it cause I was so close to doing so until I did some research

[wary heath]

It was doomed from the start.

[velvet burrow]

Idk, not really

[main copper]

When you turn on max graphics in saurian it just lags and starts to crash even if you have a strong pc

They are tryna base on accuracy

[marsh tapir]

@velvet burrow Please remain polite and respectful while interacting on this server. Furthermore, please keep in mind this channel is dedicated exclusively to Paleo related discussions. Refer to our #rules.

[main copper]

Here's what I found

Edmont is huge as hell

[halcyon cobalt]

it doesn’t matter and it’s genus name likely won’t change

[outer tusk]

guess bro never heard of 'flesh robber'

[halcyon cobalt]

somebody pull up the edmonto gradient

[thorn grove]

X-Rex and Betsy's Giant were huge as hell, but max-size defaultism has warped how people view Edmontosaurus' typical size, which was considerably smaller

[fluid inlet]

Magnapaulia slams all

[thorn grove]

Big Paul sweeps

[velvet burrow]

Oww, the sandevistan one is funnier

[thorn grove]

that the one where they're skeletals and every single one is right on top of each other?

[fluid inlet]

Such a great model

[frigid delta]

who is this?

[fluid inlet]

Lokiceratops

[fluid inlet]

Yeah man, usually first models of a creature are not that good, but I give this one 10/10

[frigid delta]

Loki would be very interested for that dino

[fluid inlet]

its a good buy 35$

[steady rock]

https://x.com/YutyTyrant/status/1872967133086531975 can anyone answer this question?

🦖 Dino Kia 🦖; 🏳️‍🌈 Jolly Chaos Theorist 🎅 (@YutyTyrant) on X

Question for the more knowledgeable folks, is there a reason why we don't typically depict dromaeosaur faces like this?

Unlike birds, they don't have a keratin beak. So what's stopping the feathers from going all the way to the snout end? What's preventing mega floof face?

Twitter · Dec 28, 2024, 11:25 AM

this is the art their quote tweeting btw (by @/kocharaptor)

[dry kindle]

Did all temnospondyls have scales or just land dwelling ones?

[sly viper]

Saurophaganax weight?

[sly viper]

Damn that's fire

[indigo cradle]

Reason often given is they eat meat
Buzzards don't have feathers on their heads because they get all up in there for instance
But I'm all for it as an artistic interpretation

[light osprey]

If we have any feather impressions around the skull of any Pennaraptorans that should be somewhat an indication of where feathers terminate

[indigo cradle]

Well hold up don't we know exactly what sinosauropteryx looked like and didn't it have feathers on it's face?

[frigid delta]

what kind of fish Spino eats?

[light osprey]

I don’t know anything about how Sinosauropteryx’s face feathers preserved so I couldn’t tell you how informative it is

[snow python]

Accurate?

[fluid inlet]

Yes

[open compass]

What's length of the largest trike we got?

[plucky basin]

Big John.

like 8 meters / 26 ft

[open compass]

What's the length
Okay thanks

[plucky basin]

yw

[indigo cradle]

That is a big boi

[sudden wind]

The right question would be more like "is there a reason why we could depict Dromaeosaur face like this" imo.

[sudden wind]

We know it ate quite regularly Onchopristis and possibly some kind of lungfish too.

[frigid delta]

Mawsonia?

[celest pond]

The cnemial crest is deflected much more than in fragilis and more than even anax, that was the main reason because apart from that it is like fragilis. Taphonomy can't be ruled out although it appears to not be that distorted, but lately it has been suggested to be ontogenetic difference.

[sudden wind]

Maybe to some extant.

But I don't really remember Mawsonia being actually in the Kem Kem beds.

[outer tusk]

at best give or take like 8+ tonnes although anything over "Lane" who's 4 tonnes is unreliable

[warped peak]

All or most, although it depends on the creature. They varied massively

They were fish like scales tightly bundled by skin so still quite visible, but smoother than Reptile scales from the outside

[loud wing]

can someone please comment this from path of titans wiki
why
just why

[outer tusk]

what 😭

[slow halo]

What do you mean? That’s accurate

[minor thistle]

Do we know of any dinosaurs that were fungivores? If so which species.

[steep sundial]

theres only one thing girls want, it starts with S and ends with X

saurophaganax

[tranquil quartz]

Allosaurus anax

[outer tusk]

Theropoda indet*

[steep sundial]

Spinosaurus aegyptiacus

[abstract flame]

Saurophaganax is just an Allosaurus subspecies.

But I understand it’s a joke.

[vagrant mountain]

Wasn’t that proven to no longer be an actual animal?

[steep sundial]

yeah im pretty sure it might just be an allosaurus but

[vagrant mountain]

I know the feeling, I felt that way about the Dakotaraptor

Just let them see the bones ya dumb bastard.

[steep sundial]

Ooh Dakotaraptor is pretty, but honestly it just looks like a utahraptor 😭

is the brachiosaurus still a valid genus?

oh mixed it up with the bronto

[stiff osprey]

Both are valid atm

[steep sundial]

What is with the ai overview this does not answer my question

[indigo cradle]

Never trust AI anything

[bitter quest]

Yeah I tend to report those if they're factually incorrect kinda like the one where it says Gigantosaurus hunted Argentinosaurus

[steep sundial]

i dont know how to turn it off, whenever i search anything up the google gemini thing pops up 😭

[velvet burrow]

What was the environment like in lower Oldman formation?

[steady rock]

it was full of old men

[wary heath]

What's your guy's favorite prehistoric marine reptile?

[warped peak]

Eretmorhipis

[low raven]

Saurophaganax was split in 2 its a Sauropod now and what we thought it was originally being the large allo is Allosaurus Anax

[plucky basin]

I would say Kawanectes, but im pretty sure there's another one out there that i might like better

[warped peak]

True king

[plucky basin]

Looks like a fully-aquatic hadrosaurid in this picture

[winter marsh]

Abyssosaurus or Pterosphenus

[woven wigeon]

dakosaurus

[wraith kindle]

The google ai thing gave two different results, on my ipad, it said about evidence that dinosaurs may have eaten psychidelic shrooms, while on my pc, it just said, 'dinosaurs may have eaten them' then goes off into generalism.

But the paper about halluconogenic fungi just says that they could very well have unintentionally eaten ergot type fungi.

I don't know if any dinos were purely fungivorous, but it's possible some of the omnivorous dinos did as part of the overall diet, and some could have eaten them as a seasonal tasty snack like pigs and truffles for example.

[wraith kindle]

Would it be possible that the oversized dinos had some form of gigantism?

[tough parcel]

Due to fossilization statistics and the rarity of gigantism as a mutation, no

[fluid inlet]

The 👑

[wary heath]

9+ missed calls from giganotosaurus

[fluid inlet]

T. rex and giga fan boys whenever another larger theropod is mentioned

[vagrant mountain]

Finally! Some love for the shark toothed lizard! Feels like it gets the least love out of the big toothy boys

[vagrant mountain]

Damm with a name like that, wouldn’t fit a sauropod but it is what it is

[sweet field]

AI thinks being reclassified under a different name is the same as being fictional

[dry kindle]

Did itchyosaurs have scales?

[thorn grove]

no

[cold edge]

Nope, don't think so! Aquatic paleocreatures ain't my wheelhouse, but I skimmed a few articles and it doesn't appear that they did

[quasi token]

no, theres preserved soft tissue showing them with smooth skin, like a dolphin or something

[wind prairie]

ichthyosaurs are so gross and weird
imagine being a reptile but you're scaleless so you just feel like a big meat sack, and having big eyes and being fish shaped doesn't help

[quasi token]

the least reptilian reptiles pretty much

[wraith kindle]

You could say that about whales.

[cold edge]

Whales are mammals, though

[quasi token]

yes they do tend to converge with whales a lot lol

[wary heath]

The crazy thing about them is that they are built almost exactly like a shark but they still breathe air from the surface.

They are probably as close to being a fish as you can get without being a fish.

[quasi token]

erhm, ackshually

[fluid inlet]

There will be no ichythosaurids slander

[warped peak]

Prionosuchus/Archegosaurs:

[wary heath]

Nah that's a wish.com crocodile

[warped peak]

Tell me how an Ichthyosaur is closer to a fish

[wary heath]

They quite literally look like one. They got the fish tail, the fins, just without the gills

[warped peak]

Archegosaurs have a fishy tail, gills, and internalized scales, while being incapable of going on land (their limbs are vestigial), having a fishlike metabolism, and possibly lacking lungs

[wary heath]

Yeah but they don't look like one.

[warped peak]

I mean neither do Ichthyosaurs

[wary heath]

Sure but itchyosaurs look closer to one than archegosaurs

[fluid inlet]

I’d reckon they had lungs lol

[wary heath]

Also is tiktaalik in the same group as archegosaurs?

[warped peak]

Tiktaalik is a fish from the group that lead to the rise of tetrapods so technically? But not really

[wary heath]

It's night and day.

[warped peak]

Considering their lifestyle, it would've been a solid detriment for them, unneeded, and easy to forgo

[wary heath]

Are plesiosaurs and pliosaurs in the same group?

[warped peak]

And you're right, it's night and day. One is markedly more fish-like in anatomy

[wary heath]

Are kronosaurus and elasmosaurus in the same family of animals or are they separate?

[stiff osprey]

kronosaurus is a pliosaurid, elasmosaurus is an elasmosaurid

[halcyon cobalt]

both are in plesiosauria

should be noted though that the long necked “plesiosauromorph” and short necked big headed “pliosauromorph ” are paraphyletic, so not true ways of classifying them

[wary heath]

So they are still in separate families?

[warped peak]

Same overall family, but separately so

[fluid inlet]

Basically same family tree but different branches

[civic tulip]

I need... I need a Tarbosaurus mummy

Did Giganotosaurus get a redescription?

[umbral kite]

Guess where this is from

[floral cradle]

prehistoric planet 2

[hardy sentinel]

How scientifically accurate is this Utahraptor?

[floral cradle]

its pretty accurate to me

[cold edge]

Looks good to me!

[hardy sentinel]

hell yeah, now second part: What skin would be closest to this Utahraptor?