paleontology

[warped peak]

MOre like this nowadays

[hardy sentinel]

Istg the crocs and their relatives have filled basically every niche except for flight at one point and time

[primal ice]

That art lowkey looks like a drake some reason

[wary heath]

You guys remember that fossils and archeology mod from Minecraft?

[umbral kite]

wat the ancient Platypus relatives

[steady rock]

what was heavier, microraptor or rhamp?

[primal ice]

....... rhamp is alot more bigger then micro

[flat pond]

BotM Kentrosaurus is coming

[wind prairie]

objectively wrong, and saying this only proves that you just like "big cool dinosaurs"

[tough parcel]

Yea I do, dinosaurs are better than trilobites buddy

[wind prairie]

oh brother, how could I forget...

[wind prairie]

see I don't mind if someone thinks that (I think that in some cases) but pretty sure denying trilobites' diversity and saying "they're just dumb sea bugs" is not right

[pliant cedar]

ye

[tranquil quartz]

Guys ik its just a silhouette but what Carcharodontosaurid do you think this is?

https://youtube.com/shorts/BGgAQbfXs9Y?si=3ePUCKo42h7mU0I5

[wind prairie]

it's barely a piece of a silhouette. we don't even know if that's what it is.
but if it is a carcharodontosaurid, knowing the PoT mindset, it'll probably be either mapu or tyrannotitan lol

[steady rock]

does this help at all

[woeful falcon]

I think it's Carcharodontosaurus itself, or if not that it's influenced by random's carch skelly

Gotta be a carcharodontosaurid tho. Everything suggests it

[tranquil quartz]

I was thinking Meraxes or TTT because of the hip dip?

[frosty sphinx]

im actually gonna say bars here

[tough parcel]

Perhaps the fearsome Majungasaurus

But Fr, I agree it’s a Carch

[woeful falcon]

I don't think meraxes bc the timing wouldn't be right if it's the mystery dino. Meraxes came after its choosing

No recon of ttt has the dip so maybe they incorporated it

[tough parcel]

Shoutout to carchs being carbon copies because they suck at staying complete

[woeful falcon]

True

[compact leaf]

it could feasibly be any one of the big carchs other than acro

[round crystal]

you mean a new Maiasaur

[stoic hare]

Oh wait a min

[elder lotus]

That's not a bars lmao

[stoic hare]

It’s got a bars body but the crests don’t rlly make sense for a bars

[sonic wraith]

aint bars.

[obtuse spoke]

Y’all forget the devs said bars isn’t ready yet

[solid arch]

head also isnt the right shape and also its bipedal

[sonic wraith]

WHICH IS THIS

[elder lotus]

It's some kind of carch

[dapper laurel]

Might be a torvo? since torvo was planned before they replaced it with allo and said it was going to be released later

[solid arch]

wait so is it an official dino or modded 😭 i hope its official

[sonic wraith]

??? WHAT WHY WOULD IT BE MODDED

[tranquil quartz]

It’s definitely too big sounding to Torvo imo

[obtuse spoke]

They will never tease a mod in the announcement channel like this

[stoic hare]

They showcase modded dinosaurs sometimes chill

[wise horizon]

possibly some sort of abelisaurid or carcharodontosaurid

[solid arch]

ah fair enough, i havent been on the POT didcord in MONTHS lol

[flat pond]

Unlikely, the hump before the hip is a bit of a giveaway is definitely a sign of a carcharodontosaur

[dapper laurel]

Torvo is big
like acro sized

[obtuse spoke]

Fair lol

[sonic wraith]

yeah but they dont TEASE them.

[ripe walrus]

Microraptor rn

[solid arch]

wasnt too sure if they did is all, no harm done

[primal ice]

Gotta be megalosaurus

[elder lotus]

The footsteps sound too big for megalo imo

[dapper laurel]

could be an acro? or carchar?

[sonic wraith]

its a carcharodontosaurus. its got the back gap.

[primal ice]

Megalosaurus is bigger then torvo what you mean

[dapper laurel]

i love carchar so i hope so

[sonic wraith]

the thick neck lines up too.

[scenic flame]

that's something generally seen in all carcahrodontosaurs, and isn't directly preserved in carhcar

[ripe walrus]

Y'all are wrong its obviously a microraptor 😤

[sonic wraith]

thats fair enough, but its not tyrannotitan for instance, it also cannot be acro.

[scenic flame]

first is meraxes, second is carchar

[scenic flame]

I disagree, it could easily be TTT

[flat pond]

It’s definitely a carcharodontosaur, megalosaurs don’t have the dip above the hips

[solid arch]

💀

[ripe walrus]

I was joking...

[round crystal]

but the tail was THICC

[scenic flame]

that skeletal isn't great

[solid arch]

ik dw, was laughing at the message screenshot ygychvjv

[primal ice]

Oh hold up oooo ooooooo

[flat pond]

Fair, was the only one I had on hand

[sonic wraith]

tyrannotitan's especulated to have a larger spine, unless my skeletal is dated.

[ripe walrus]

Ah ok lol

[solid arch]

we dont need another tyrannosaur

[primal ice]

No I need tarbosaurs

[dapper laurel]

nah 3's good i think
one small, one in the middle, one big one

[sonic wraith]

i prefer tyrannotitan anyways so this is a W from me..

[solid arch]

yh but this one would make 4

[tranquil quartz]

We have Tarbosaurus as we have Tyrannosaurus bataar

[primal ice]

Not a tarbosaurs

[flat pond]

KTO is making one

[solid arch]

rex two got dropped

[tranquil quartz]

it quite literally is Tarbosaurus essentially

[sonic wraith]

tyrannosaurus bataar is literally tarbosaurus, its a tarbosaurus inspired subspecies, just like how pycno's taurinus sub is carnotaurus.

[primal ice]

Okay is it's skull think is it smaller is its leggs longer

[brave stump]

I remember it !

[scenic flame]

a very bad one

[sonic wraith]

yeah sure, no denying that, but why add tarbo when its literally already in as a sub

[primal ice]

Because it not tarbo its a sub theirs 2 differences

[sonic wraith]

even still, what would tarbo add to the game, being honest.

[dapper laurel]

the teased dinosaur is in no way tarbo

[sonic wraith]

its (hopefully) tyrannotitan

[primal ice]

First tarbosaurs skull is thiner 2 its smaller 3 it had lips 4 it had longer legs 5 its a subspecies and its just a style not a tarbo

[sonic wraith]

im asking you how adding tarbosaurus would benefit the roster.

[ripe walrus]

We got 3 Tyrannosaurids already i hope its a Carcharodontosaurid

[solid arch]

i love how everyone has turned into detectives

[primal ice]

First no nerd for bone break make it a attack style 3 allow it to only go through armor and weight and do debuffs simple

[solid arch]

agreed

[sonic wraith]

a carcharodontosaurid would add a new apex into the roster, and given how rex is really struggling to actually handle hunting 3 apexes on its own, it would give rex much needed levity.

[scenic flame]

tarbosaurus had teeth that were much more Xiphodont than other tyrannosaurs and is known to have hunted sauropods from tooth isotope tests

[low raven]

How you gonna say it had lips when it’s still speculation on if they had lips or not

[flat pond]

Dasp literally has a bite that pierces armor, that would be taking from some of Dasps gameplay

[primal ice]

Oml

[elder lotus]

In all cases that's not a tarbo

[dapper laurel]

a carchar would fill up the 3 apex trio
a semi aquatic, tank, and a bleeder

[scenic flame]

lips are a mainstream widely accepted hypothesis as they're basal to tetrapods and dinosaurs without beaks or particularly interlocking teeth like spinosaurus would have no reason to lose them

[primal ice]

First of all when did I say I want tarbo I said it I need tarbo

[woeful falcon]

Oh, I forgot about this recon

[flat pond]

Was just about it say that it was widely accepted

[sonic wraith]

rex aint a tank its a brawler, spino's the tank (just that its got pathetic damage.)

[warped peak]

Bleeder apex doesn't work in practice

[dapper laurel]

?

[primal ice]

Buddy only one not 2 or 5 1

[sonic wraith]

who says a charcharodontosaurid only has bleed going for it? i can see it being on par with bars's 850 speed, possibly even 860

[elder lotus]

Say what you want about DBs carch, it's a good apex bleeder

[warped peak]

Anyways are there other large theropods with a neck shapes like that other than Torvo?

[flat pond]

Even then, fracture is a debuff along with bb, just pointing out that some of Tarbos gameplay ideas that you have would also belong to Dasp retrospectively. I’d say wait for another team to do Tarbosaurus, like KTO

[warped peak]

The neck is wildly different and very much probably couldn't even make that shape

[primal ice]

I said tarbo should be a attack and run role not to take hit do alot of dms it hunted sauropod it had lock in jaws its jaw was thin

[sonic wraith]

repost of

[flat pond]

Along with the previously mentioned fact of us already having three tyrannosaurs, doesn’t help bring Tarbo be an official dinosaur. That would become roster bloat

[warped peak]

Tarbo jaws also aren't really thin

[solid arch]

this is a long shot but hear me out -

[tulip stream]

Nah look at the tail

[outer tusk]

why use that carcharodontosaurus recon 😭

[primal ice]

Never said we need it to be in roster I said I need a tarbo

[flat pond]

Aye, they were just built differently.

[sonic wraith]

its the one i got on hand.

[flat pond]

Which is why I pointed out KTO, who are going to make a Tarbo

[outer tusk]

you got mid, you need peak ( here you go )

[solid arch]

hmmm alr, another allosauroidea would be sick tho

[flat pond]

Snagged, now it’s in my skeletal folder

[sonic wraith]

yeah that said, the teaser lines up with this skeletal beautifully

[sonic wraith]

its not allo

[solid arch]

carcha is an allosauriodea according to a quick google... i could be wrong

[flat pond]

There was also that thing going on with it recently too

[primal ice]

And yet you didn't respond to me saying how long huh yet I don't care if it's a mod I said I want a tarbosaurs all I said I need tarbosaurs

[sonic wraith]

its a carcharodontosaurid

[scenic flame]

carcharodontosaurids are inside of allosauroidea

[flat pond]

They don’t do ETAs it comes when it comes

[scenic flame]

hwile that's more or less correct, google is a very unreliable source

[primal ice]

Omg dude ik mods no etas I said how long till they get work on it

[scenic flame]

same answer

[primal ice]

Never found it on Google

[flat pond]

Thank you Vivid

[solid arch]

that still counts as an ETA

[primal ice]

Not same I said when yes no etas I'm being sarcastic

[round crystal]

I tried to retry the tail fading at the end, idk if i did it close even, I think we can have errors with it crouching or something

[polar scroll]

Hold on chat,i see crests on the head

[fluid inlet]

All my theropod experts what is the new dinosaur from path of titans officials

[solid arch]

thats why i said allosauroidea

[polar scroll]

this is either a new theropod or an allo TLC

[sonic wraith]

yeah but, saurophaganax is wayy way more ancient than any carcharodontosaurid, their skeletals are vastly different.

[round crystal]

Im just bothered by its tail, thats all

[short river]

Watch it just be a worm, and they've made this to tease us all

[solid arch]

i dont tgink they'd tease a tlc release, this feels more like a new dino kinda tease

[sonic wraith]

so its not saurophaganax like you proposed, i said its not allo, by accident, i meant saurophaganax

[flat pond]

Let’s see, we already have multiple 4 slot herbivores officially and the only 4 slot carnivores is Sucho, probably going to be on the smaller end of the carcharodontosaurs like Mapu or Tyrannot

[round crystal]

most say meraxes gigas

[sonic wraith]

they specifically said something big

[solid arch]

ohhh gotcha, fair enough yftcyvjv i agree tbf

[short river]

You forgot sarco

[flat pond]

But Meraxes was found after the mystery was stated to be a mystery

[sonic wraith]

and hatzeg

[short river]

Also that

[flat pond]

Fair enough all I know is that it is a carcharodontosaur

[sonic wraith]

my money is personally on tyrannotitan, a lighter apex is kinda what the carni roster sorely lacks, and titan's size matches up perfectly for that niche without potentially overcompeting with rex

[short river]

That seems to be the consensus

[flat pond]

I wanna say Mapusaurus

[violet saffron]

Yea ashy

[outer tusk]

mapusaurus, my glorious king

[sonic wraith]

way too big imo

[west coral]

allosaurus tlc here we come /j

[sonic wraith]

(its not allo )

[woeful falcon]

Unless they diverged a bit, the hip dip doesn't give me mapu vibes

[west coral]

the taurovenator, perhaps?

[polar scroll]

it´s prob an Allosaurid of some sorts

[sonic wraith]

the hipdip indicates its a carcharodontosaurid, question is which one.

[violet saffron]

Yeah it seems

[river plinth]

We already have tyranosars

[flat pond]

Hm, fair

[short river]

All of them. It's an Alderonosaurus, has a subspecies for each carch

[woeful falcon]

Tyrannotitan isn't a tyrannosaur

[sonic wraith]

not a tyrannosaur..

[river plinth]

Oh💀

[sonic wraith]

tyrannotitan is a charcharodontosaurid

[flat pond]

Aye

[primal ice]

Not to mention yall this thing has a crest on it

[solid arch]

misleading name 💀

[outer tusk]

what if in fact it was anatotitan

[floral pasture]

Found it!

[flat pond]

Can’t really blame it, blame the scientists who named it

[outer tusk]

it's not even a misleading name 😭

[flat pond]

Which is even fairer

[solid arch]

its not a tyrannosaur

[outer tusk]

yeah it's carcharodontosaurid 😭

[sonic wraith]

phenomenal source

[west drum]

tyranno means king right? titan king? king titan.

[civic tulip]

Gigantspinosaurus not being a giant spinosaurus:

[flat pond]

Tyranno means tyrant

[outer tusk]

tyranno means tyrant

[short river]

Rex is king, Tyranno is tyrant

[west drum]

yes thank you, I knew it was weird

[sonic wraith]

tyranno means tyrant its name is tyrannic titan

[violet saffron]

Damn you proved it

[flat pond]

All I can say is I’m looking forward to seeing what it is and playing as it

[solid arch]

fair enough guys, im just here to learn

[wary heath]

Is that related to giga?

[west coral]

either or

[sonic wraith]

yees

[dapper spoke]

It's mapusaurus roseae

[wary heath]

Guys, saurophaganax or torvosaurus

[sonic wraith]

bit small no? (bottom one)

[covert meteor]

Wooooo Its a Apex :'3

[woeful falcon]

I wouldn't use either of these skeletals to try and understand what it is. The first is an edit of carch that isn't wildly accessible and tauro just doesn't look the same

Both skeletals were probably made after the mystery dino here

[random raft]

Looks like it’s def part of the Carcharodontosauridae family.

[versed copper]

Crazy bars has to wait while a new playable gets released

[frosty sphinx]

i think people might be right its a carch. i think i saw a crest. could be wrong

[west coral]

Crazy micro has to wait, they’re gonna have to release an entire new dinosaur bundle just for this guy

[polar scroll]

yeah i think there´s a crest

[outer tusk]

wait guys hear me out, sigilmassasaurus

[civic tulip]

It got a dip in the hips... oh

It was prob made post Meraxes

[solid arch]

nahhh...

[polar scroll]

REALISTIC SPINOFAARUS?!!?

[civic tulip]

Do we have footprints from big carchs?

[violet saffron]

Nobody saw that… but that’s a spinofaarus

[solid arch]

ik ctchvhvhb

kinda want spinofaarus in game tho

[craggy mesa]

Ok what yall nerds thinking

[craggy mesa]

Is that lil bump a nose?

[primal ice]

Crest

[civic tulip]

It's Mapusaurus or Tyrannotitan

Siats must be highly unlikely

[craggy mesa]

W

Isn’t tryano what was replaced by Rex? It was some kinda nano name

[nocturne cairn]

rex didn't replace anything, it was just another perk

the mystery dino was orginally Torvo but the buyer changed their mind. Torvo was going to be on the original roster of 10 but iirc it was replaced by Allo

[shut perch]

Tauro is upcoming Dino, look at lump on its back

[open compass]

Goood point

[rancid dove]

maybe yea

[shut perch]

I think

[woeful falcon]

The back isn't the same really

[nocturne cairn]

most large carcha ll pretty much look the same anyway
also this was described this year? It can't be the mystery dino at all because that perk was bought back in 2019

[rancid dove]

and head ?

[civic tulip]

I feel like tauro is too recent

[night grail]

logically, aren't alderon go for unaccurate dinosaurs..

[dapper spoke]

☠️

[civic tulip]

Total Mapusaurus Victory

[night grail]

its a carcharodonthosaurid, but can be any of it

[civic tulip]

Mapusaurus getting that flesh grazing ability from that outdated documentary 🔥

[tranquil quartz]

What is the biggest Stegosaurid

[steady rock]

stegosaurus

[dapper spoke]

It's mapusaurus

[steady rock]

stegosaurus could reach 8 tons, i dont think dace was gfetting close to that

[outer tusk]

dacenturus was 7 tonnes

[steady rock]

on average what was bigger?

[jagged trellis]

Same at 5.5 tons last i remember

[brave stump]

No way… that’s him!

[steady rock]

@hardy sentinel does this help you?

[hardy sentinel]

Could I get a link to the source of this answer?

[steady rock]

idk, ask kplp

[jagged trellis]

Fossils of the beriasian remains for dacen/mira and uhmnuk(?) For stego, also the 7+ ton dacen weights are just estimates, like stegos 8 to 10, they have remains at 5.5 that are not 2 rocks and a stick

Berriasian, beriasian, i dont recall the full name of the time frame

[outer tusk]

there's no average for either animal, but dacenturus holotype is very close to the larger stegosaurus specimens

[jagged trellis]

Also that, whats the holotypes name again

[carmine topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/anderson-sherlock-bbc-conspiracy-red-lines-cackling-gif-18463006

[cloud badger]

Y'all are crazy it's obviously MACRORAPTOR

[supple verge]

Lol sure

[sonic wraith]

what skeletal is this from

[carmine topaz]

Carch but flipped to match the teaser direction!!

[rancid dove]

he looks like him

[gilded lichen]

is lat invalid?

[noble dune]

Sadly yes, only stenonychosaurus remains

[gilded lichen]

hmm thats what i saw thanks

[civic tulip]

Such a nice detail they added those taurovenator little horns

[tough parcel]

Tyrannotitan

[astral spindle]

I hope its Carcharodontosaurus, but most likely mapu or TT

[tough parcel]

Carch (going off of random's skeletal) actually fits worse

[rancid dove]

can you show me the skeleton of the carcha which was recently studied

[spring scarab]

to be fair we're looking at a shadow that's set at an angle based on the position of the sun. We're not getting a perfect profile shot of the shape of this thing at its side, so it'll be impossible to get a perfect fit.

[rancid dove]

thanks

[elder lotus]

If this hasn't already been sent, it's referencing a velocci video

It's a carch relative, case closed

[tranquil quartz]

Random question but whats that bone called that’s sticking out of the right side of the jaw?

[tough parcel]

Hyoid

[tranquil quartz]

Thanks

[carmine topaz]

Chances are it’ll be a mix of a couple/few Carcharodontosaurids as either a whole character or multiple subspecies but under one name — similar to how other creatures they have so far like Eo, Pycno, Pachy and a few others

[light osprey]

It’s clearly Spinosaurus

[carmine topaz]

Yeah with how well all three fit with the head being the main difference, I can absolutely see them using different Carcharodontosaurids for the subspecies but naming it one thing

[tough parcel]

Erm...the hip dip would mean Ichthyovenator...

[light osprey]

Perhaps we underestimated the extent of Spinosaur hip dips….

[tough parcel]

:woeful:

[winter marsh]

its bars man, clearly

[kind orbit]

It is not much use to compare the skeletons, because the perspective of the shadow is not lateral, it is from below.

[tough parcel]

What

[kind orbit]

It makes no sense to use a later perspective drawing when the shadow is projected from below (it looks like you are looking at it from the floor up).

[tough parcel]

But that would result only in the dip becoming more pronounced, there's nothing there that would really change lmao

[kind orbit]

perspectives don't fit

use images with lateral perspectives to compare one that has a diagonal perspective

[tough parcel]

Huh???

It isn't directly underneath lmao

[kind orbit]

I'm just saying that it's complicated to make a skeleton drawn completely laterally fit into a shadow projected semi-diagonally and seen slightly from the front (I'm focusing on what appears to be the crests of the theropod).

No. sorry. Now I saw the image further away and realized that it only projects semi diagonally but lateral enough to try to fit a skeleton in the shadow

[tough parcel]

Yea, that's what I was doing

[kind orbit]

The thing is that the pueas on the back confuse me because they seem to be covered by the shoulder.

[light osprey]

I think this must be Microraptor

[crude ledge]

💯

[honest cobalt]

So the dino is either mapu, giga or tyranno. According to a list that was in veloccis video. Matt commented saying it was one of the listed dinos in that video

[wind prairie]

probably not giga

[honest cobalt]

Any is good! Finally got the big 3

[daring barn]

From how Alderon does dinos in PoT, I'm betting on Mapu.

[light osprey]

Or Microraptor*

[honest cobalt]

Someone bought this a while ago, so it’s whatever the backer wanted

[blazing flax]

I'd def prefer mapu or tyranno but, y'know, it's neat, I wasn't expecting a new dinosaur this month and I wouldn't be surprised if it did end up being giga since it was a backer pick but who knows
this group is really difficult to interpret sometimes because of missing material 😔

[frail swift]

They probably did Tyrannotitan just because it has Titan in the name

[stiff osprey]

Lmfao

[elder lotus]

"Please welcome the true titan of these paths!!!"

[wind prairie]

"and oh boy is he tyrannical"

[elder lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[outer tusk]

It's megaraptor guys!

[elder lotus]

Considering the sound of those footsteps, I'd wager it's your mother

[frigid delta]

random's sue render by me (again)

[halcyon cobalt]

path of tyrannotitans

[ripe walrus]

Is this even real?

[quasi token]

kinda, but the fossil is missing atm so its impossible to verify anything

[ripe walrus]

Ah ok

Thx for clarifying

[scenic flame]

tmk most skeletal artist do not agree with it

[frail swift]

How does something that large just go missing

[stiff osprey]

It's a single scrap of vertebra lol

at least, the specimen that suggested this size is a vertebra. i don't know where people got this other material

[quasi token]

its just like 1 bone not the entire skeleton lol, but tmk the records were messed up so it's been missing ever since

[quasi token]

think its from other ichthyosaur remains at the same location or at least nearby? but il have to recheck, been a while since I read the document on it

[frail swift]

Got it!

Hey so supposedly Ichthyosaurs went extinct during the middle Cretaceous? How likely do we think that this is not true and they just went full Pelagic and thus did not fossilize?

[fluid inlet]

Ichthyotitan solos everything

[stiff osprey]

Well ichthyosaurs were already fully pelagic, so that wouldn't be possible

[frail swift]

I guess by Pelagic I mean not the Western Interior Seaway

[halcyon cobalt]

ship wreck I’m pretty sure

[tough parcel]

Considering they are found across the globe by the Jurassic, that also wouldn’t be possible

[frail swift]

Why cant they exist but not dominate the oceans? Is it not likely pressure and competition could shrink their ranges?

The ocean is also terrible for preservation

[stiff osprey]

If they stopped inhabiting shallow waters then they wouldn't leave fossils in places we're likely to find them, since most places that were deep ocean back then would still be underwater now

But it's highly unlikely that ichthyosaurs all over the world just stopped visiting shallow seas at the same time

[frail swift]

Say the meme with me: The fossil record is notoriously incomplete

[west coral]

Were there any pelagic mosasaurs?

[stiff osprey]

You can excuse almost anything by saying the fossil record is incomplete, but for someone to take the claim seriously, there would need to be some evidence of latest Cretaceous ichthyosaurs

[stiff osprey]

I'm pretty sure all of them are pelagic minus like Pannoniasaurus and the other river dwellers

[frail swift]

I guess I’m just saying I really wouldn’t be surprised if we found one eventually

What is Mosa eating in the open ocean?

[tough parcel]

Other marine reptiles, fish

Keep in mind, the modern oceans are horribly barren due to human exploitation. These are not normal animal population levels

[frail swift]

But the open ocean is practically a desert, even Great whites today travel to the coast to eat marine mammals

[stiff osprey]

If it can sustain blue, humpback and sperm whales I'm sure it could sustain mosasaurs

[tough parcel]

The filter feeding mosasaur…

[frail swift]

But Blue Whales eat things like Krill, they’re not a macro predator like Mosa

[stiff osprey]

Sperm whales are, and so are the orcas that hunt these whales, which are also pelagic

[frail swift]

Maybe splitting hairs over pelagic definition? To me nothing in the interior seaway is pelagic

[stiff osprey]

I feel like that would preclude most of the modern oceans from being pelagic zones

[west coral]

the abyssal mosasaur…

[stiff osprey]

The WIS certainly had an epipelagic zone (up to 200 m deep), and at least in some places probably a mesopelagic zone as well. Idk how deep it got exactly

[little mauve]

800-900 meters iirc

[stiff osprey]

That's almost midnight zone depths

[little mauve]

Kind of a unique case because it's not positioned on a continental shelf, it's positioned on a continent itself , but it is def deep enough to have mesopelagic zone so 🤷

[stiff osprey]

Yeah the wikipedia definition of pelagic zone 100% includes nearshore waters, they're just limited to the upper layers

[compact leaf]

from an ecology perspective pelagic basically encompasses anything that isn’t abyssal or attached to the seabed

[frail swift]

Midnight zone is over 1000m I’ve never heard the Interior Seaway referred to anything other than a shallow sea

[compact leaf]

shallow yes but that’s in a relative sense

[little mauve]

It's a deep shallow sea 👍

[stiff osprey]

there's no minimum depth required to be a pelagic animal, as long as you're not living directly on the seafloor or in a reef you're pelagic

[frail swift]

Okay then rephrase, I think it’s possible Icthyosaurs where living in the open ocean but not the interior seaway

Ergo places that are horrific for fossil preservation

[stiff osprey]

They definitely were crossing open ocean at some point, you couldn't get from the US to Australia by just sticking to shallow zones

[tough parcel]

What if the Pangrea

[little mauve]

I think the record supports a largely marine extinction event at the Cenomanian-Turonian took them out

[stiff osprey]

took out a bunch of other things too, rip spinosaurus

[little mauve]

A global marine anoxia event, talk about stank

[compact leaf]

it is possibly a few things got through that event but they’d be exclusively in our poorest sampled areas (northern europe, chunks of africa, maybe southeast asia) and in very low numbers, oceanic species would be easier to detect if they did make it through though given the nature of their movements

[frail swift]

Supposedly! But I do think its possible they made it past. Plesiosaurs did for example, Ammonites

Obviously they got screwed, but I just wouldn’t rule out that a few of them were kicking around until the end

I also question if all non-avian dinosaurs died before the Eocene. I wouldn’t be massively shocked if something small was still kicking around then

[little mauve]

Plesiosaurs took a major hit, ammonites I believe are one of the exceptions to CT event losses but they're little cephalopods not apex predators like ichthyosaurs. When ecosystems collapse those guilds get wiped out. The loss of ichthyosaurs partly paved the way for mosasaurs

[stiff osprey]

Some tiny generalist non avian dinosaur surviving and then dying out randomly in the PETM would be just the sort of thing nature would pull

I remember seeing a spec evo story where a species of elasmarian survived in Antarctica for most of the Cenozoic only to eventually go extinct when it froze over

[still goblet]

Oiiiii

[little mauve]

Antarctica is an interesting angle, I wonder how it's positioning affected the impacts of the event. The thermal pulse and whatnot

[light osprey]

Perhaps it can be a shallow shallow sea by the Maas-paleocene

[little mauve]

So shallow as to be nonexistent? Or is the jury back in on that one

[stiff osprey]

1mm deep sea (whenever it rained)

[warped peak]

Antarcticarcinus moment

[light osprey]

it’s for sure present in the Maastrichtian.

I assume it doesn’t immediately disappear in the Danian

[little mauve]

Yeah not totally surprising, any idea when it did dry up?

[light osprey]

A record of Odontaspis in the Tiffanian would put it at most extending into the Thanetian

[little mauve]

Interesting, where was that found?

Or is the record widespread across the west?

[light osprey]

Slope fm, ND

[little mauve]

Wow, that's even pretty far north

[light osprey]

Widespread marine taxa records I can only find in the Danian

[fluid inlet]

Has conc ever looked this good?

[little mauve]

Very cool, thanks for the info

[frigid delta]

the "carcharodontosaur superior, other theropods inferior" effect is real

[light osprey]

Although I’m looking still and maybe it’s possible to observe rapid seaway retreat, as Chondrichthyean taxa disappear from Alberta into the Danian

So perhaps the seaway was closing north-south and had already lost its access to the Arctic Ocean by the Maastrichtian

[stiff osprey]

The prettiest Concavenator artpiece and it completely leaves out Concavenator's signature trait

Ironic

[halcyon cobalt]

the humble generic carcharodontosaur

[little mauve]

Ah okay, that was mostly my original impression but not as far north as ND. Still cool.

[frigid delta]

OH WAI SHI I REALIZED IT TOO

[hearty vapor]

Idk if this is true but according to Google there's evidence that tarbosaurus had a denser jaw then tyrannosaurus. Just thought it was a cool fact idk

[indigo cradle]

Tyrannosaurs 😴

[hearty vapor]

Hm?

Am i not allowed to like them?

[indigo cradle]

I said "tyrannosaurs 😴"
Not "you aren't allowed to like them"

[hearty vapor]

Bored of them or sum?

[cloud badger]

Guys have any one considered the new dino to be an allo?

[woeful falcon]

A few have, but allo doesn't have a hip dip like that and they've never really teased a tlc like this. If you know what you're looking at allo probably won't cross your mind as a possibility

Also if it's a new dino, then it wouldn't be allo

[hardy sentinel]

Was Panjura aimed to be similar to the hell creek? Reminds me a lot of it's description excluding the marshlands the hell creek possessed

[pliant cedar]

doubt it

[gritty escarp]

Not really caught up with recent news but why are people saying saurophag is a sauropod

[frigid delta]

#paleontology message

[gritty escarp]

Ah thanks

You really are an intelligent gorilla

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-jessie-heisenberg-jessie-pinkman-çak-beşlik-gif-20303213

[ionic crescent]

TLDR: it seems upon description, some of the vertebrae were sauropod's and not allosaurid's

So if the described vertebrae turns to be an already existing genus, the name Saurophaganax dies

If this is the case, the allosaurid attached material can be used as neotype, which means Saurophaganax name can be kept

On the OTHER HAND, if the described sauropod is new genus, Saurophaganax becomes the new sauropod genus name

I can be wrong so if someone who's reading this knows stuff I missed or I typed wrong, let me know

[gritty escarp]

Saurophaganax is a dope name no matter the animal it's assigned to

[halcyon cobalt]

goodbye saurophaganax hello allosaurus maximus

[river plinth]

Guess lord of the lizard eaters wanted to be a different lizard

[halcyon cobalt]

indubitably

[bright pilot]

Petition to rename the animal to “Phytophaganax” (Lord of the Plant Eaters)

[pliant cedar]

ye

[zinc solstice]

Could Lesothosaurus or Emausaurus Possibly Climb Trees?

[stiff osprey]

Lesothosaurus maybe, Emausaurus no

[lone zephyr]

lessothhos arms wwere too short its unlikely it coulve climbe

[velvet burrow]

What about the Hand Teeth

[wind prairie]

man thinks he's so cool for not liking them

[pliant cedar]

nthn wrong with that

[lone zephyr]

what is your pfp

[wind prairie]

big al

[open compass]

Chad

[lone zephyr]

overbite of death

[slender hemlock]

One of these fr

[pliant cedar]

for what

[grim storm]

Makotoony 😄 I watch your vids all the time

[wind prairie]

is cryolophosaurus supposed to have 1 or 2 crests?

[tough parcel]

1

[wary heath]

What was the heaviest flightless bird

[hearty ridge]

I love that tyrannotitan might be the next Dino but god ppl rlly need to look at the animal before complaining that path has to many tyrannosaurs

[wary heath]

Most dinosaurs in the game are functionally identical to one another

[cloud breach]

Aepyornis

[wary heath]

I thought maybe terror birds like kelenken would be bigger

[tall forge]

What is like the scariest dinosaur to yall? Just a question

[hearty ridge]

Well when all you do is eat seeds you don’t have to worry about being too big to sustain yourself on small horses

[woeful falcon]

Young tyrannosaurs

Speedy monstrosities

[tall forge]

For me it's probably the quetza...like those things are the size of like a giraffe (correct me if I'm wrong 🙂 )

[hearty ridge]

Not a dinosaur unfortunately

[tall forge]

A quetza?

[hearty ridge]

Pterosaur

Unless you’re referring to this then you’d be correct in your statement lol

[tall forge]

Aren't pterosaurs dinosaurs? (Not trying to be rude just genuinely wondering)

[hearty ridge]

They’re related but are their own thing

[tall forge]

Ah

I never knew that sry! Well now I do!...ty for fixing my intelligence (which I have none 🤩 /joking)

[hearty ridge]

It’s no problem! There are plenty of things in paleontology that are confusing and I’m always happy to explain

[tall forge]

Thanks! Bc I'm trying to learn a bit more about paleontology then just dinosaurs /pterosaurs and all that 🙂

I know hadrosaurs are like the duck billed dinos like Edmonto?

[hearty ridge]

I highly suggest watching your dinosaurs are wrong, The host Steven is very well versed in paleontology and is and excellent science communicator

[lone zephyr]

australovenator

them claws are scary an theyre the right size to hunt hhumans

[quasi token]

seconding young tyrannosaurs ngl, though terror birds are a close second

[tough parcel]

The scariest dinosaur to me is the Edmontosaurus because it's so big it could kill the T. rex so that means it could easily knock down my house and eat me (Did you know herbivores eat meat?)

[tall forge]

Is it called your dinosaurs are wrong or am I wrong just need to know 🤗

[hearty ridge]

Yes it is!

[tall forge]

Ah ty

[lone zephyr]

imo eds are gentle giants, i think paras are psychos tho

[stiff osprey]

The scariest dinosaur is the Nanotyrannus because if it turns out to be real then I wasted years arguing with randos on the internet for nothing

[tall forge]

Where can I watch it?

[hearty ridge]

YouTube

[lone zephyr]

nanotyrannus nonbeliver

[wary heath]

I think the scariest dinosaurs are the smaller ones.

[tall forge]

Thanks and sorry if I take long to answer it's becuase of slow mode or whatever it is 🙂

[lone zephyr]

on thhe other hand what is yalls fav dino

[tall forge]

Ankylosaurus

[lone zephyr]

mines meggaraptor

[wary heath]

Before I answer that, I think the scariest dinosaur would be dilophosaurus.

[lone zephyr]

potato enjoyer 💯

[tough parcel]

Counterpoint: You made friends along the way

[lone zephyr]

why?

[tulip gyro]

any theropod canivore above 100 kg

[wary heath]

They can fit into human sized spaces, nasty bites, and are very fast.

[tall forge]

Haha yes I like their bony club at the end of their tail...and sometimes underestimated by their height and strength

[tall forge]

Why he so fat 😭 🙏 but cute...hes lacking on the armour

[warped peak]

Here's an interesting (hypothetical) interaction

Doedicurus and Anodontosaurus

[lavish frigate]

Stupid potato vs big stupid egg

Perfect

[wary heath]

trex and allosaurus are my favorite carnivores

[tough parcel]

We also have like no Ankylosaurus bones so

[tall forge]

I ate them 🤩

[wary heath]

That's a tarchia

[tall forge]

😔 I'm not that smart yet lol

[warped peak]

:( racial slurs

[white matrix]

I think big dromeos (achillo from this game for example) would make good human eaters
and their "pouncing prey and eating it alive while it bleeds to death" suggested hunting style would make it scary enough

[tall forge]

Interesting

[wary heath]

Seeing a ceratosaurus would also be pretty scary.

[tall forge]

And a mega pack of them 💀

[wary heath]

1 is enough to shiver your timbers

[tall forge]

Imagine having a whole server on you irl what you do 💀

[tough parcel]

Chimerism in specimens referred to Saurophaganax maximus reveals a new species of Allosaurus

Despite the similarity of the theropod material to known species of Allosaurus, some decisively theropod specimens feature subtle autapomorphies that suggest a separate species, which we describe as Allosaurus anax```

[wary heath]

Climb up somewhere high

[tranquil quartz]

Wait paper dropped?

[tall forge]

That on hatze: 👁👄👁

[wary heath]

hatzegopteryx would also be terrifying to see irl

[tough parcel]

Yes

[white matrix]

okay I went into google spiralling and it seems that big dromeos didn't use pounce and pinning to the ground................. forget what I said

[tough parcel]

What lol

[warped peak]

Allosaurus anax. I dan support that

[bitter quest]

They'll probably change the name on that sauropod

[primal ice]

Saur was removed from the list Anax all that remains

[bitter quest]

Kinda like they had done to trike and rex

[tough parcel]

But...they didn't do it with rex and trike? 😭

[bitter quest]

They had before

Rex wasn't always tyrannosaurus rex same with triceratops

[fluid inlet]

Allosaurus Anax does not hit at all 🤨 what are the size estimates for it?

Torvosaurus come over here let’s laugh at it together

[bitter quest]

Rex old name was Manospondylus, which name meant, one spined

[tough parcel]

T. rex was named T. rex off the bat, what you're probably being quirky about is Manospondylus which was used once in the description paper (though before T. rex was mentioned, so technically it should've been the name used)

However, 50+ years of only using T. rex in the literature = Manospondylus goes bye bye

It's nothing like this situation lol

[bitter quest]

Well not once but yeah it just abandon the name for tyrannosaurus rex which they technically changed the name

[tough parcel]

Once, twice, doesn't matter considering it was then never used again after T. rex was proposed and put into literature

Hence why this is a completely different situation and you cannot apply those rules here

[fluid inlet]

Cool story

[woeful falcon]

I find the idea of calling it the "old name" misconstrues it. No one was going "remember when T. rex was Manospondylus? good times" because that's not what happened. T. rex was always just T. rex. The name Manospondylus applied to a specific specimen, which was probably just the same kind of animal as T. rex and no one really decided to acknowledge it over the years. And then they decided to add the nifty rule that made Tyrannosaurus a protected name

[balmy zodiac]

im actually interested

why did carcha had this funny sickle claw on its toe? Kinda similar to dromeosaurids but not really

did it had any purpose or it was just like ancestral thing?

[elder robin]

SAUROPHAGANAX "SNAX" MAXIMUS... is DEAD 🥂 🥳

[elder robin]

I could be wrong, but IIRC it was to help assist in feeding or something

[ionic crescent]

Welcome Allosaurus

[balmy zodiac]

hmm, why didn't other theropods have this claw tho? Aside of dromeosaurs ofc

[tough parcel]

Considering we have only just found out carcharodontosaurs had this sickle claw, very little research has been able to be performed on it

[balmy zodiac]

fair

[woeful falcon]

also possible not all of them had them. Meraxes is the carcharodontosaurid that brought this characteristic to attention, and I think only the new Taurovenator also had a bit of an enlarged toe claw? Iirc Tyrannotitan for example didn't

these are also just the Carcharodontosaurines

[cloud breach]

Goodbye 2024 Snax hello Allosaurus anaxl 🗿 🥂

[west coral]

goodbye snax welcome anax

[elder robin]

We just dont have much of tyrannotitan so I dont think we would have been able to tell that without merax. (Everything in yellow is what we do have)

[woeful falcon]

you know what we do have of tyrannotitan

a toe claw, iirc the one on the same digit which is what would tell that lol

[tranquil quartz]

Holy moly that skeletal

[cloud breach]

Not confirmed to be digit 2 it was isolated

[elder robin]

of what looks to be the middle toe. which, to my understanding, is not the toe that is raised up, thus it would just be like any other regular theropod

[west coral]

Here is a (slightly better) skeletal that shows the preserved second digit which is not enlarged as in meraxes

leaves mapu (most likely) and carch (hopefully)

[woeful falcon]

in any case it's not especially big. here's a Meraxes skelettal as well

that being said enlarged toe claw could be a trait seen in all carcharodontosaurines and we just don't know about it yet because of how must of them preserve. but I don't believe its a trait for the whole family

[elder robin]

Where did all that extra material come from? The skeletal I posted (while visually not the best) came from the paper if im not mistaken. So I assumed it was a accurate representation of what we do have preserved.
And I'm not talking about the grey stuff, I'm talking about the white which has the extra toe material on it

[woeful falcon]

yeah paper skeletals are generally not good. the material looks mostly the same though, its just the one Pug posted also includes restored elements too. and unfigured elements

[outer tusk]

Tyrannotitan for those that didn't know is known from 2 speicmens

[kind orbit]

Did you see this?
https://youtube.com/shorts/RE_OI5G0N6Q?si=voSsUfVY0QprH99Z

[little mauve]

The sickle claw evolved in phorusrhacids and seriemas as well

[balmy zodiac]

Interesting

[ripe walrus]

That's cool minus the inaccuracies

[kind orbit]

Maybe it's a very unfounded guess but I think it's carcharodontosaurus. because the roar is similar to what is always attributed to it.
https://youtu.be/tE1WBlBKuto?si=zbbDynTGdgjwwrj4

[tranquil quartz]

Doesn’t mean anything, Alberta uses elephant sounds

[west coral]

dinosaur planet aerosteon my beloved ❤️

[fluid inlet]

It’s giganotosaurus

[kind orbit]

why?

[fluid inlet]

Not sure have to ask Matt

[indigo cradle]

Because it was paid for

[frigid delta]

so "Sauro" is now Allosaurus Anax?

[indigo cradle]

Apparently

[drifting condor]

At max how big is iguanadon

[primal ice]

Na gotta be tyrannotitan

[indigo cradle]

People are still ignoring that they add dinosaurs that are paid for
Like giganotosaurus

[fluid inlet]

Based off what?

[wind prairie]

I'd like to add a suggestion: There's this youtube channel called skeleton crew, it's run by 5 paleontologists. They've been doing a series for years now where they look at every animal in jurassic world evolution 2 and talk about its design and the real animal. the videos can get very long but they're informative and pretty funny

[woeful falcon]

you couldn't have provided a worse version of that image

[primal ice]

No

Take your time

[primal ice]

Their seem to be some draw backs butt

The 2 fighter are tyrannotitan or Mapusaurus

[woeful falcon]

Carcharodontosaurus 😄

[primal ice]

No remember them toes they to short

[noble dune]

From what I hear TTT didn't have the big claw

[primal ice]

Probably need look close to she them

[woeful falcon]

I wouldn't use stiched together pics from a short form video taken at different points while its moving while at an angle over

a single pic of the whole back whose shape matches up with carchar more than the others lol

[primal ice]

See a difference

[storm heron]

It’s a shadow on the ground, at 90 degrees,

It’s not going to be a perfect presentation of the creature’s body

[tough parcel]

Tbf, with how shadows work, the dip would get more pronounced, not less (unless the creature's dip is on its side), as we travel up to a more lateral view

[primal ice]

Plus if it was a carch

[storm heron]

That is fair, but the dip can be influenced by the movement of the leg at the hip joint. That is unless the back is very tall.

[storm heron]

I mean, it’s possible. Rex is in game,

[woeful falcon]

yeah all that's really saying is they're not adding mods to official, but they would make their own version of the dino if they wanted

[rancid arch]

The REAL dilophosaurus.

[woeful falcon]

finally, an accurate restoration

[storm heron]

unless it’s Ark survival

[primal ice]

Yes but it still don't matter they don't want to add a mod dino

[woeful falcon]

this is a perk dino that doesn't matter lol. Just like T. rex

[primal ice]

Pot made rex before pt stepped in they don't care about people making their own things but they don't want to add in mods like ark does

[woeful falcon]

PT rex was planned before rex was selected as a perk dino. PT rex was actually used to showcase modding when PoT was being crowdfunded

mind you that was a really really old version, but it was still PT rex

but like I said also, rex and this carcharodontosaurid would be perk dinos, so perk owners chose them not Alderon

[primal ice]

But still even if it was a perk they have a rex first warth of Goliaths have eo trike pot made eo first or ex allo they made pot allo first to and pot pachy before wotg removed pachy

[woeful falcon]

what

[primal ice]

I typed fast srry

[woeful falcon]

either way, matt's answer in that screenie doesn't say "we don't want to make dinos that people have modded", it says they won't add modded dinos, but they could make their own version of the same dino if they wanted to

[wary heath]

What's your guys favorite pterosaur?

[kind orbit]

ITS TAURO

[primal ice]

Yes like rex they made their different yes so they add allo eo packy before others did

[woeful falcon]

I also don't think it's meraxes, but it could be meraxes

[primal ice]

I also to think it be meraxes but as blub said I can't trust it

[storm heron]

The thing is, wasn’t the perk bought before Meraxes was published?

[primal ice]

Ye

[woeful falcon]

that's the main reason I don't think it's meraxes, but if we assume that the perk could have been changed after meraxes was described considering it was kept a secret, maybe. but that's a stretch imo

[wary heath]

It's crazy to think that concavenator is related to giga

[primal ice]

How

[wary heath]

Same family

[primal ice]

Been like that for awhile now

[woeful falcon]

big true. sometimes I feel people forget that carchardontosaurids aren't just the big bois + acro

[frigid delta]

conclusion: it's a carcharodontosaurid ofc
who is it exactly is still unknown until it's release
just wait & be patient

[woeful falcon]

whenever I see "carcharodontosaurids look the same" what they should be saying is "giganotosaurins look the same".

[primal ice]

Like spino conc is strange

[stuck chasm]

Hello all! Just a friendly reminder that this channel is for the discussion of past and present paleontological discoveries, scientific news, and depictions of prehistoric creatures in media in relation to paleontology. Discussing other games or game mechanics is not on-topic for this channel. Please refer to our pinned guidelines and #rules for more information

[halcyon cobalt]

did therizinosaurs have 4 toes?

[tacit pine]

Do you have 4 toes?

[halcyon cobalt]

I have 5 but thank you for asking

[tough parcel]

Most dinosaurs do, but therizinosaurs seemingly had all 4 touch the ground

[gusty magnet]

This is the New dino: Bahariasaurus

[tacit pine]

Yikes 😬

[silver canopy]

Thoughts on TF2s groundsloth depiction?

Its surprising good imo

[gusty magnet]

Just seeing if they would hop on the bait 😉 and release the Tail or how high the tail would be from looking at a dasp or allo

[primal ice]

It's good won't call it accurate May be a 8/10

[silver canopy]

The claws on the hands are certainly wat too long, but the feet are actually pretty good

[jagged trellis]

like a 9/10
really just the claws and abit odd face wise
(maybe the pecs but i'm not versed enough to say there)

[fluid inlet]

lol what

[halcyon cobalt]

allosaurus anax is such a bum name. bring back maximus

[inner thunder]

It is not larger than saurophaganax and about 4~5ton

[cloud breach]

What

[frigid delta]

Allosaurus anax is Saurophaganax new name

[fallen shard]

Hello Allosaurus I love you😁😁

[hallow spear]

This is just wrong

Anax is larger than the sauropha holotype, which may or may not even still be a theropod, it seems unlikely…

[topaz shell]

Wait new allosaur??

[inner thunder]

How big is the A.anax ?
I know that 11.4m long and 4.6tons.

[halcyon cobalt]

A. anax is just all the specimens previously assigned to saurophaganax right?

[frigid delta]

yes
Sauro = A. anax

[open compass]

What about maximus

[hardy sentinel]

Was Dromeosaurid intellect more similar to birds or cats?

[steady rock]

truly the smartest chat

[hardy sentinel]

Peak Path of Titans

[steady rock]

thats not what their asking tho lol, i think they understand what it says and they wanna know abt how complete maximus is too

[hardy sentinel]

ain't good old Maxi(pad)mus a sauropod now?

[steady rock]

isnt that sauro?

[hardy sentinel]

Saurophaganax Maximus and Allosaurus Maximus are the same thing, unless Saurophaganax was proven valid and a recent Allosaurus species was discovered

[steady rock]

🤷‍♂️

[runic rover]

Allosaurus fans taking a huge W by getting one of their favorite dinosaur upsized 🤣

[serene sedge]

I love how Saurophaganax is potentially both a sauropod and a big Allosaurus, insult to injury for the biggest Morrison “theropod”

[cloud badger]

@runic rover yey umbrella

[runic rover]

Watch closer

[cloud badger]

@runic rover I don't get it why she got a cloud face?

[serene sedge]

Evile creature

[sly viper]

Did dinosaurs have hollow bones?

[serene sedge]

Yes, it’s one of the major things dinosaurs have along with air sacs.

[sly viper]

Wouldn't that be a massive weakness?

[serene sedge]

Not really

[sly viper]

I think we should all still refer to it as saurophaganax it's a way cooler name

[serene sedge]

The bone composition is different than in mammals, they’re stronger and lighter with no need for marrow.

[halcyon cobalt]

nah

[serene sedge]

Also no, that’s not how scientific classification works. Otherwise T. rex would be referred to by things like Deinodon.

[sly viper]

Oh alr

[halcyon cobalt]

it made them slightly lighter at larger sizes and also gave them great oxygen intake, giving them far better endurance than similar sized mammals

[sly viper]

Yeah nvm

[halcyon cobalt]

birds are a lot better flyers and a lot more diverse than bats because of their series of air sacs, which allow them to tire less easily while flying and just be better at flying overall

[sly viper]

I honestly thought it would be like bird bones also is A. Anax the same size as saurophaganax?

[serene sedge]

Also no, the Spinosaurus neotype is fairly complete and not a composite of multiple animals.

[halcyon cobalt]

A. Anax IS saurophaganax ( basically )

[sly viper]

I'll take that as a yes

Then what was the point of reclassifying it?

[astral spindle]

Idk how I found that

[sly viper]

Then what was the point of reclassifying saurophaganax?

[halcyon cobalt]

the name‘saurophaganax’ is already assigned to the holotype, which has been found to contain sauropod remains, and so isn’t diagnostic for a species of allosaurid anymore ( I think. I’m not expert and I’m not 100% sure if I’m communicating correctly )

[astral spindle]

OMNH 1188 is Sauropod

Idk about Fenris specimen

[sly viper]

Ah I see

[sly viper]

Literal saurophaganax

[astral spindle]

I miss that one

[elfin moss]

Funniest thing ive seen all day

[steady smelt]

Allo drawing

[astral spindle]

W Drawing

[steady smelt]

Ty

[astral spindle]

Why not showing legs?

[keen forum]

its not mapu off that back its either carch or ttt

[steady smelt]

1 sec il take te full photo

[astral spindle]

That's what the skeletal comparisons show

[keen forum]

mapu doesn't have a hip dip like that, at least not in any public ref

[keen forum]

ignore the shant part thats carch or TTT

[steady smelt]

Here you have

[astral spindle]

Wonderful

[keen forum]

yeah that would be carch or TTT but with randoms carch TTT would look at closer to it than that TTT used

[astral spindle]

New randoms carch ain't that different honestly, just tail got longer and neck more muscular

[steady smelt]

Thanks

[keen forum]

the head would be closer to randoms carch, the body shape would differ and the sacrals would be different, the longer tail is from the edit

[frigid delta]

what is the formation my boy Acro lives in again?

[keen forum]

Cloverly Formation

[astral spindle]

Is Carchar and TTT the only ones with the hip dips?

[keen forum]

meraxes had it too

[astral spindle]

Ooh, and it's trot sounded fast as well

[frigid delta]

does it has Edmontonia?

[astral spindle]

Could be meraxes

[keen forum]

no it doesn't it came from the horseshoe canyon formation which comes a bit after acros time

[keen forum]

it could just be a fast trot as well for its size but yeah it could be meraxes as well but from the latest recons meraxes dip isn't that shape at least public ones

[frigid delta]

ah sucks i thought this encounter was accurate for a moment
https://youtu.be/vojWTdtJvc4?si=m6vIbmyqWgr8xGRm

[west coral]

Meraxes didn’t exist at the time the perk chose a dinosaur

[astral spindle]

And was there something latched on to it's hip in the foot reveal vid(pause)

[keen forum]

there was a whaat!!!!

[astral spindle]

Omg

[astral spindle]

Look closely

[keen forum]

oh yeah it does wth

[astral spindle]

M I C R O R A P T E R

[west coral]

It’s either the arm or the first digit of the foot on the carch

[keen forum]

could be bb, a bone break

[stray wren]

Keep in mind it can't be meraxes as it wasn't discovered when the perk was bought

[keen forum]

so its back just the two clones carch and TTT

[astral spindle]

60% TTT 40% Carchar

[brave stump]

Yh I think it could be a micro raptor the size is pretty small but getting 2 Dino at once ? Foliage isn’t ready yet how it could be possible

[astral spindle]

Yea, but it's an abnormal bulge out of the hip

[brave stump]

Yh I confirm

[vapid night]

@honest cobalt

[honest cobalt]

Ty!

[vapid night]

im loving how goofy the eye looks on the second photo i sent

[honest cobalt]

Is that giga too?

[honest cobalt]

Looks like zeb from dominion

[brave stump]

Look at the arms should not be here

[keen forum]

ah the old giga ref

[tropic imp]

That’s what the search gave me lol

[ionic crescent]

Neither Taurovenator

[keen forum]

here's the most recent giga atm

[tropic imp]

Cool cool 🙏🏼

[lone zephyr]

gng whats saurophaganax doing rn did it get renamed to allosaurus maximus

[tulip stream]

The moment the saw allosaurus I knew that thing would probably become just a species of allosaurus

[lone zephyr]

is the smallest tyrannosauroid dilong or are there smaller ones

[stray wren]

No it's Allosaurus anax (maybe). Saurophaganax as a genus is still up in the air with several papers in the works

[lone zephyr]

whys it so large then i int think allos got that big

[stray wren]

It's not anymore

[lone zephyr]

it is, only some of the remains were sauropod, the carnosaur remains are still abnormally large

[stray wren]

Like I said this is all new and likely incorrect; but this is the most recent information as of yesterday when the paper dropped

[lone zephyr]

k thanks

[stray wren]

Saurophaganax itself is currently a massive diplodocid sauropod, while Allosaurus anax is, a large I'll give you, but average size allosaur

[lone zephyr]

i think they should rename it, lord of the lizard eaters isnt exactly a fitting name for a sauropod

[stray wren]

Eh I think it's fine

[lone zephyr]

thhat cant be accurate

[outer tusk]

You really think they would care to rename because of that s 😭

We have a small ass sauropod named after a mythical god

[outer tusk]

How? It's literally made by someone has really good at this level of professionalism 😭 aka Randomdinos as this size is directly taken from saurophaganax

[lone zephyr]

whhat sauropo is even that small? Hypselosaurus?

[lone zephyr]

huh

[stray wren]

It's also still up in the air whether or not Saurophaganax is a sauropod. If it isn't then Allosaurus anax will become a junior synonym

[lone zephyr]

yeah i know

[outer tusk]

Okay mb

In summary this skeletal diagram whatever you wanna call it is the most accurate we're gonna get from this put on until say further notice, there's no reason to say it's not accurate because it's made by someone who's really experienced in this field

[lone zephyr]

yeah but in the diagram the vertebrae are way too low down

[outer tusk]

How?

[outer tusk]

Tiamat valdecil is a relatively small sauropod that is named after a draconic goddess

[lone zephyr]

they are where the beginning of ribs shoul be, it looks like it has a crest

[outer tusk]

what

[lone zephyr]

so is this what palaeontologists think the saurophaganax remains came from

[outer tusk]

Yeah because theropod and sauropods are from the same clade, meaning that once and awhile there bones can be sort of mix up

This isn't the first example of this

[lone zephyr]

yea i know theyre both saurischians

[halcyon cobalt]

does this look about right? nothronychus btw

[lone zephyr]

yea

[halcyon cobalt]

perhaps saurophaganax is a dominatrix

[snow python]

Is Mapu still estimated at 12,7m and 7,9t?

[lone zephyr]

wasnt it 5ish tons?

[halcyon cobalt]

nah

[lone zephyr]

i just searched it up it says 3-6 metric tons

[outer tusk]

nothing has changed

[lone zephyr]

whhere you getting these imgs from

[outer tusk]

my files

[lone zephyr]

where did you download them from

[outer tusk]

I just said it, my files I downloaded it from my files

[lone zephyr]

well it didnt just appear in your files out of nowhere

[snow python]

GSP estimated at 5t

[outer tusk]

AH YES Geroge S Paul

[lone zephyr]

yeah i thought so

[outer tusk]

I mean while GSP is a impactful figure in the paleo scene, ALL of his current reconstruction aren't very good

[stray saddle]

Wrong, in everything

Not kidding

[lone zephyr]

yeah but tbh i dont believe that a carcharodontosaurid that large weighed that little

[lone zephyr]

it was likely a small titanosaur

[stray wren]

I'm just spouting what's currently proposed. S. maximus is a large diplodocid sauropod while A. anax is a large, but still fairly average sized, allosaur

[polar scroll]

Hello tiamat from the monsterverse.
Hello tiamat from pre-history.
Hello tiamat from mythology.

[stray saddle]

Lies. You clearly didn't read the paper. Nope

[stray wren]

this will very likely change in the coming months and years, but as of now it's just what it is

[sullen cairn]

isnt the whole thing with maximus that is agrees pretty well with explicitly immature sauropods

[stray wren]

yes

[stray saddle]

This, exactly

[lone zephyr]

its currently propose that its a specimen of tiamat which is a small titanosaur

[outer tusk]

trust!

[outer tusk]

a Jurassic animal assigned to a Cretaceous animal, totally

[halcyon cobalt]

the mystical time travelling Morrison fauna

[lone zephyr]

[lone zephyr]

they probably had spaceships too

[stray wren]

Here is word for word the abstract of the paper that dropped this week
"Saurophaganax maximus is the designation of a massive theropod dinosaur recovered from the Kenton Member of the Upper Jurassic Morrison Formation in Oklahoma. The theropod was originally given the name Saurophagus maximus but was later revised to Saurophaganax maximus as the former did not conform to ICZN standards. Several autapomorphies were described for S. maximus including the postorbital lacking a postorbital boss, the atlas vertebra lacking facets for a proatlas, cervical vertebrae with nearly vertical postzygapophyses, unique accessory laminae on the holotype neural arch, pneumatized post-pectoral dorsal centra, laterally bowed femora, tibiae without an astragalar buttress and more prominent distomedial crest, less distally divergent fourth metatarsals, and craniocaudally expanded chevrons. However, our re-evaluation of these specimens shows that some of this material, including the holotype, is more parsimoniously referred to diplodocid sauropods found in the same quarry rather than an allosaurid. Because saurischian material referred to S. maximus is likely chimeric but diagnostic, we propose taxonomic revision and hypothesize dual validity. The name Saurophaganax maximus should refer to a previously undiagnosed diplodocid, instead of the large theropod recovered from the Kenton 1 Quarry. The presence of at least one skeletally mature theropod was confirmed through paleohistology of a fourth metatarsal. Despite the similarity of the theropod material to known species of Allosaurus, some decisively theropod specimens feature subtle autapomorphies that suggest a separate species, which we describe as Allosaurus anax sp. nov."

[lone zephyr]

ok, you still said it

[outer tusk]

:?

[stray saddle]

This is not what you said

[stray wren]

it is exactly what I said; S. maxiumus is, as of this moment, considered a diplodocid sauropod, while A. anax is a, large but relatively average sized, allosauroid

[tough parcel]

https://x.com/ddinodan/status/1870736594409550107

dino dan - commission open :) (@ddinodan) on X

hopefully this makes the A. anax and saurophaganax thing make more sense

Twitter · Dec 22, 2024, 7:42 AM

[stray wren]

Hi falcon

[tough parcel]

I’m here to drop that and leave because I have another duty… but hi!!!

[stray wren]

naur

[halcyon cobalt]

this server has so many geniuses

[sullen cairn]

hiiiii guyssss!!! 🤗

[tough parcel]

Get back to work

[frigid delta]

MY BRAIN IS EXPLODING-

[stray saddle]

The saurophaganax holotype is not from a gigantic diplodocid, is from a smallish individual, and the elemts of anax are from very very big allosaurus

Read the paper

[outer tusk]

I thought you meant just a sauropod not it being assigned to tiamat, which is what I didn't mean because again like I just said tiamat is from the cretaceous period not the jurassic

[stray wren]

I'm clearly talking to a brick wall here, blocking and moving on

[lone zephyr]

thanks for clearing up

[stray saddle]

Ngl your profile pic says a lot of why you don't understand

[outer tusk]

I thought it was obivous I wasn't referring to tiamat given it has nothing to do with the morrison formation 😭

[sullen cairn]

why are we talking about tiamat anyways

[lone zephyr]

small sauropo

[halcyon cobalt]

non descriptive names

[frigid delta]

HOW MANY TIAMATS ARE THERE!??!?!?!?!?!?

[lone zephyr]

there is only 1 species of tiamat

[halcyon cobalt]

.

[outer tusk]

because ghugu though naming a sauropod "lord of meat eating lizard" was dumb when Tiamat exist

[lone zephyr]

needs beak

[stray wren]

afaik nothro doesn't have any skull material so... probably?

[halcyon cobalt]

has a beak. isn’t textured yet

[lone zephyr]

kk

[sullen cairn]

tbf sarcolestes also exists

[outer tusk]

look good

[lone zephyr]

yeah they thougt it was a carnivore at first

[halcyon cobalt]

the lower jaw is so weird icl

[frigid delta]

huh... Sarcolestes...

flesh robber
is an ankylosaur
neat

[sullen cairn]

side note but i really should stop looking at twitter on account of the number of terrible takes spawning from this saurophaganax business
just like in november!

[stray wren]

should stop looking at twitter period

[sullen cairn]

this is also a good idea

[frigid delta]

my honest reaction about this Sauro & A. Anax thingies today (i am slowly descending into madness):

[halcyon cobalt]

yo it’s the freaking guy from thick of it!!

[tulip stream]

Didn’t know meraxes was this complete

[sterile trail]

There's also Zby

[frigid delta]

WHO?!

[pliant cedar]

most complete large carchardontosaurid
also the oldest known non avian dinosaur is a meraxes

[tulip stream]

I thought it was megalosaurus

[frigid delta]

oldest???

[pliant cedar]

oldest in terms of age, not in terms of like temporal range or discovery

[tulip stream]

So like the oldest charch fossil

[frigid delta]

how old???

mantap g dibales

[pliant cedar]

like 50 smth iirc

[frigid delta]

gitu dong
thx btw

[flat pond]

Did somebody say Tiamat

Also did not fully realize how massive this turtle was

[polar scroll]

damn.

[warm saddle]

Keluar indonya

[hallow spear]

This probably isn’t even that far off, fishy should rescale but exclude the theropod material

[hallow spear]

It’s around 11m for the type specimen it’s quite large

[outer tusk]

hey stego forgot to ask this question but could I also use random's camara supremus for it besides briock's

[lone zephyr]

was this part of giganotosaurini?

[pliant cedar]

yes

[lone zephyr]

probably inaccurate but this is crazy

[hearty ridge]

Amhpiocoelias isn’t valid anymore

[lone zephyr]

a.altus is

[solemn halo]

Ah yes, Trust Cope. He's reliable and never made anything up.

[hearty ridge]

A. Fragillimus isn’t tho, it’s now believed to be more likely a really big rebbachisaurid

[lone zephyr]

''probably inaccurate'''

[lone zephyr]

yeah ik but you use a generic name rather than a specific name

[hearty ridge]

Maraapunisaurus is still massive for a Jurassic sauropod

[lone zephyr]

yeah ik

[solemn halo]

I know just as a blanket statement.
Cope and Marsh while amazing for Paleo sciences, are also the two of the most unreliable in all of history.

[hearty ridge]

I’m lowkey pretty tossed so sorry for strange statement and strange responses

[lone zephyr]

yeah theyre still pioneers tho

[tough parcel]

Do they have a history of explicitly making up specimens…?

[solemn halo]

Or I dunno...BLOWING UP stuff

[hearty ridge]

And each other

[tough parcel]

That does not equate to fabricating a specimen though

It’s certainly a bad tactic, but it does not imply that they would just summon a giant sauropod out of thin air

[pliant cedar]

they dont like each other

[lone zephyr]

BRONTOSAURUS IS VALID AGGAIN?????!??!!!?

[hearty ridge]

Always has been >:)

[small geyser]

Has been since 2015 iirc

[lone zephyr]

IK I JUST FOUN OUT

[small geyser]

Love Bronto.

[outer tusk]

the goat

[pliant cedar]

thats not a goat

[flat pond]

Kind of funny that PhP did T. mcraeensis, even though it wasn’t properly identified

[cloud breach]

Not true, mcraeensis was too early for Quetz

[open compass]

What

[sterile trail]

What dino is it?

[outer tusk]

maraapunisaurus

[quasi token]

there any mass estimates for brygmophyseter and zyogphyseter by chance?

[hallow spear]

@celest pond Could you please link where they are compared?

[stable marlin]

Yeah. I mean they know the difference between it and rex but they're very close

[open compass]

That means Prehistoric Planet's t rex is mcraeensis?

[flat pond]

In the part where it’s fighting the two Quetz but other than that, it’s T.rex

[cloud breach]

Mcraeensis didnt even live with it so not true

[lavish frigate]

Hot take: Mcraeensis is dumb and stupid. Long live Tyrannosaurus bataar

[sterile trail]

I just call it a Tyrannosaurus. No question

[lone zephyr]

based off of modern sperm whales id say theyre about 15-17 tons but no official statements have been made

[quasi token]

that seems... really high ngl? whales are pretty chunky but thats kind of absurd for 6.5-7m animals

[lone zephyr]

modern sperm whales are 35-40 tons an 15-18m

[open compass]

T rex never seen alamo and quetz?

[quasi token]

then yeah therses no way brygmo and zygo weigh that much lol

[flat pond]

Probably during its time but before it, it is believed that T. mcraeensis is its ancestor

[lone zephyr]

it was an upper estimate

[sonic wraith]

To everyone saying micro is supposedly latched onto it

Thats just its claws.

[opal gale]

True but why would the shadow of the claws be in the middle of the leg? Tbf idk what it is

[sonic wraith]

i mean, its using an emote.

[distant mauve]

Yeah that would be.... dumb to say it's not micro on it... it's just it's hand

[sonic wraith]

whats to say its not moving its arms during said emote.

[opal gale]

True

Ig we will find out when the update drops

[sonic wraith]

absolutely, i cant wait!

[kind orbit]

its tauroventaor, just see
the morphology of the leg

[steady smelt]

Atleas we know Its a Big carcharodontosaurid so that makes me happy

[sonic wraith]

this is being heavily speculated to be a feature of all carcharodontosaurids, meraxes gigas also has this.

[kind orbit]

Yeah.
But we agree that it is probably a carcharodontosauid

[sonic wraith]

absolutely

[sturdy sun]

@mystic sky

[mystic sky]

lmfao. Idk where i got the thought that he had the typical ceratopsid body plan 💀 I MUST have been confusing him with something else bro WHAT

thats a finned psittacosaurus my man. LMAOOOOO thats so embarassing of me

[sturdy sun]

I love him so much

[mystic sky]

oh my lawd..... (forgor ping)

he kinda do be looking like a goblin. Tryna find a size chart for him rn

[sturdy sun]

Also another favorite semi is halzkaraptor

Such pretties

[mystic sky]

a man ❤️

[sturdy sun]

Bottom left of the ss I sent shows a cat shadow size comparison

Please Matt give me raptor duckling

[mystic sky]

oopsies- WOAH he kinda big. Is he bigger than struthi????? I feel like I remember struth being smaller... nope sameish size maybe a tad smaller than struth

That, good sir, is a substance duck

[sturdy sun]

Rollercoaster ride of a message lol

[mystic sky]

honestly he's kind of a vibe. I love him

[sturdy sun]

Wait korea or Halz?

[mystic sky]

both but esp halz. Noodle neck goose

[calm mural]

New allosaurus boyeeeee

[sturdy sun]

Yeah Halz is my dream baby, like if I could be one 24/7 I would

[ionic crescent]

Tauro was not described back when perk was purchased lol. Sickle claw is now present in stuff like carcha or giga

[bitter quest]

Tauro was a recent discovery, literally like a month or so

time flies so I don't recall exactly

[tough parcel]

2016 being a month ago is my kind of timeline

[sonic wraith]

time passes by so quickly doesnt it?

[bitter quest]

Man I feel old

I think it was found in 2016 but described this year. Paleontology does that sometimes

[tough parcel]

No, it was described and published in 2016, but further/in-depth analysis wa s published this year

[ionic crescent]

I don't remember any Taurovenator stuff popping up back then tbh lol

[tough parcel]

Erm ur mom

[bitter quest]

Literally this lol, more likely what I said found and never was described until now

[tough parcel]

Wikipedia doesn't list the discovery date, they list the publication date

[bitter quest]

Yeah don't trust that, especially since Wikipedia needs to be updated from time to time

[calm agate]

This is incorrect. Taurovenator as a taxon is from 2016, the new material was found more recently by a different team and described recently.

[cloud badger]

Wikipedia is bad for collecting any info cuz you can literally make the info up

[calm agate]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304013683_NEW_THEROPOD_FAUNA_FROM_THE_UPPER_CRETACEOUS_HUINCUL_FORMATION_OF_NORTHWESTERN_PATAGONIA_ARGENTINA
On Tauro being from 2016 there's its description, the taxon is still relatively new but not as new as people think it is.

[tough parcel]

This is also (partially) incorrect because valid Wiki sources will list a source at the end of the sentence. So if you see a wild claim on Wiki and don't check for the source they list, then that's on you.

If they don't have a source, assume it to be kinda shaky There's a few nuances in there, but you should be able to deduct em

[cloud badger]

There is required source for every wiki page if I remember but the thing is it can be misinterpreted or worded in a false way if not blatantly using wrong sources
Tho it's on you if you know the subject you're talking about but for the rest of the world it's very inconvenient

[tough parcel]

That's entirely on you if you don't understand Wikipedia lol, not Wiki

[lone zephyr]

taurovenator mentione

what are the features of giganotosaurini?

[serene sedge]

It’s not new but the anatomical rework it got in the recent paper is new and will effect how it’s portrayed heavily. I hope it’s not Taurovenator because unless they used Meraxes as a base it’s likely going to be fairly out of date.

[stark elm]

How you guys know all this stuff? how are you up to date with publications?

[tough parcel]

Guessing

(Discord)

[tacit pine]

😭

[stiff osprey]

We surround ourselves with a select group of the finest autistic individuals

[stark elm]

Just Discord? Or are there some other outlets? Like idk youtube or a podcast?

[tough parcel]

Discord

[stark elm]

i see! Thanks

[warped peak]

The ultimate paleontologists

[stark elm]

Can you guys tell me why the dino in the teaser has to be taurovenator?

[warped peak]

It is not certain to be it by any means. The only features shown are shared amongst Carcharodonts, including the enlarged talon

[stark elm]

What features make it special aside from the talon? it kinda looks like a regular foot to me e.e

[warped peak]

Hard to tell at a glance, but the first digit has an enlarged talon

[elfin leaf]

That's Meraxes foot (but tauro is similar yes)

[warped peak]

Which shares the same Claw being discussed here with better references

[elfin leaf]

Here is tauro for comparison

[stark elm]

Ah i see it now!

[gentle pier]

Welp, looks like Saurophaganax really was just an Allosaurus, after all. No surprise there tbh

Specifically a new species called Allosaurus Anax, I think, after Saurophaganax

[tulip stream]

you could see it coming honestly