paleontology

[cloud badger]

Badass dicynodontes pic

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Why are you asking this in the paleontology chat 💀 #path-of-titans is right there ⬆️

[cloud badger]

Probably for speed

[foggy stump]

So is spino not aquatic or like at least semi aquatic still? Could have sworn somewhere recently it said they don't think it could float or dive but if it was too dense for either wouldn't that still not rule it out???(look at hippos for example)

[cloud breach]

More leaked skels from lance

[cloud badger]

You're telling me I could 1v1 an amaru

[indigo cradle]

I don't hate it

[wind prairie]

bro how did the "what is a bird" argument start up AGAIN

[west coral]

What is an amaru?

[river plinth]

I thought they were bipedal

[pliant cedar]

camptosaurus with spinal problems and bloat

[sterile trail]

Long story short: it comes down to opinion

Anyways, opinions on Cristatusaurus?

[iron halo]

This is like the 3rd time this week

[sterile trail]

Real

[tulip gyro]

A bird is a reptile, bipedal theropod and herbivore

[wind prairie]

you're joking right

[tulip gyro]

No

[sonic matrix]

Welp, paleontology will be one of the most confusing things in history and we can't fix that.

[wind prairie]

so you're saying eagles and owls and other carnivorous birds aren't birds

[wary junco]

birds of prey become "indeterminates of prey" because they can't be birds if they're not herbivores

[kindred night]

Hot take. Paleontology isn't confusing it's a field of science and requires you to engage with the literature to understand its ins and outs

[tulip gyro]

they are mammals

[outer elm]

Bro what

[wind prairie]

he's joking

[outer elm]

Ah

[woeful falcon]

warm blooded therefore mammal

[wary heath]

Was diplocaulus likely fully aquatic?

[tulip gyro]

Well ig like 99% of the time in water. Idk much ab Diplo tho. I just assume it's like giant salamanders or newts

[kindred night]

Spent the majority of its time underwater but there's evidence to suggest they burrowed during estivation.

[west coral]

Probably assume something along the lines of andrias

[warped peak]

Do we know at what point Horseshoe Crabs evolved such deep blue hemolymph compared to other arthropods?

[zealous ravine]

Based take more like

Some parts of paleo are confusing tho, like f*cking ankylosaur phylogeny

[celest coyote]

H

[kindred night]

Besides horseshoe crabs what other animals have blue hemolymph

[warped peak]

Most arthropods have a blue tinted hemolymph AFAIK, but not nearly to the same extent

[gentle rampart]

is that some type of therapsid

[sullen cairn]

ducks of unusual size

[tough parcel]

The bull Edmusthosaurus is dwarfed by the female Shantungosaurus in estrus......

[sullen cairn]

the cow edmusthosaurus regalis is snubbed for now because i don't know if any of the things skeletals are actually good

i have also given up on parrosaurus because i dunno how posterior the caudal is actually supposed to be

[tough parcel]

Ig Hartman's has wonky scaling?

[sullen cairn]

hartmans has the immediate issue of why won't the skull and femur measurements cooperate

[tough parcel]

As in the skull measurements, when scaled, don't match the femur measurements and vice versa?

[sullen cairn]

ye
i wonder how ethical using wall mounts is

[tough parcel]

100% free game, do it

[outer tusk]

hey Gualicho are you good with dinosaur phylogeny?

[sullen cairn]

i was joking but like wow that actually kinda worked

[light osprey]

Saurolophus Angustirostris has bigger specimens than Barsboldia?

[sullen cairn]

granted this is using the slightly smaller than normal kamuysaurus barsboldia scaling i made up yesterday
tbh it could prolly go either way depending on how exactly you scale bars

[tough parcel]

Not really 🥀 I can't mak em

[outer tusk]

yeah cause I was hoping you could help with the theropods and some of the hadrosaurs I was gonan fix for my game

[tough parcel]

DM me and I'll see what I can do

[light osprey]

I’m curious is there’s any well figured images of the largest S. angustirostris sacral spines….

[frigid delta]

what abt this?

[sullen cairn]

i'm pretty sure the only angustirostris with like any axial description is a baby

[stiff osprey]

if only the tail wasn't 3 feet long

[tough parcel]

Heh...Random, the tail is clearly cut off from the photo...perhaps it had a whip-like ending much like the Diplodocus......?

[light osprey]

Perhaps evidence of synonymy?

[sullen cairn]

granted iirc in the bars reapprisal there was measurements of an angustirostris vert of similar centrum height but a distinctly not giant neural arch if that means anything

[light osprey]

Did they list the specimen name of this Saurolophus
Oh wait I can check that myself

[sullen cairn]

yeah but i couldn't find anything else on it in my two papers of searching

[light osprey]

It at least lists the neural spine height which is still pretty tall (sig smaller than bars still) so I can’t imagine it’s from a particularly small or young specimen

[tough parcel]

Evidence of lumping

[light osprey]

Evidence falcon didn’t read what I typed

[tough parcel]

Evidence that we should lump you into Alioramus?

[sullen cairn]

y'know if you ignore the skull and to a lesser extent the limbs iofrida's isn't half bad

[light osprey]

Evidence this is the best regalis skeletal? Quick, scale it to the largest specimen!

[sullen cairn]

(the largest specimen being 2% larger than this)

[tough parcel]

2% more power

[stiff osprey]

the largest regalis was either a 1.2m skull or a 1.2m femur i forgot

[sullen cairn]

this is a 1.28m femur so i'd imagine the skull
however i'd also imagine measurement standard becomes a problem because the largest skull in campione and evans is 1.09m

[light osprey]

1.2 metre skull is big right

[stiff osprey]

is it USNM 12711?

[tough parcel]

T. rex skull is only 0.5m so yes!

[sullen cairn]

thats the 1.09m yeah
rom 801 here is measured at 1.07m

[light osprey]

Trug, as we know the Nanotyrant had a skull length of 0.5

[stiff osprey]

hm that 1.09 is measured premaxilla to quadrate right

[sullen cairn]

seems to be squamosal based on this

[stiff osprey]

hm that would be the same measurement i got 1.2m for

however i did that about half a decade ago

[sullen cairn]

oh wait a lied 12711 is 1.04m in campione and evans
the 1.09m one is FMNH 15004

[stiff osprey]

thanks that's worse

[sullen cairn]

if its any solace 12711 has a toothrow nearly 25% longer than 801 for some reason though

perhaps further evidence we should ignore shantungosaurus newmexicanensis

[sullen cairn]

if you pretend this is bricks edmontosaurus you get ~4.5t
color me thoroughly whelmed

[light osprey]

Larger than the Albertosaurus, evidence of a similar size relationship between the tyrant lizard and the Anatotitan?

[sullen cairn]

actually your average annectens femur is like 10cm smaller than this so not really sure what to do with that

[light osprey]

Maybe it’s still bigger than the average Albertosaurus?

[sullen cairn]

does average albertosaurus really mean anything other than rom 807 to anyone

[fossil ingot]

Isn't the Biggest Alberto just 2.8 tons?

[sullen cairn]

iirc there's a femur marginally larger than 807 out there but something around 3t yeah

[fossil ingot]

Bro is almost Allo(They both big) size

[stiff osprey]

3t was before the leggening so i wouldn't be surprised if max alberto is now like 2.5t

[fossil ingot]

[light osprey]

A new potential victim for Edmusthosaurus regalis

[stiff osprey]

good thing it runs at a billion miles per hour

[light osprey]

Perhaps the hunted in packs to contend with the beast?

[fossil ingot]

Thats why my goat Gorgo is cooler

[sullen cairn]

wait so where the hell did those giant regalis estimates ever come from

[stiff osprey]

it was cooler because it had no friends? that sounds backward

by scaling this reconstruction to a 1.2m skull you get 7t

[fossil ingot]

[stiff osprey]

that is provided we give it actual tail muscles

[sullen cairn]

i moreso meant this one but now that i look at it its the same thing but 2m longer for some reason

[fossil ingot]

So how Big is X-Rex size edmonto again?

[sullen cairn]

like 13t with bricks skeletal

[warped peak]

What's Shant's actual weight sit at now?

Being more or less the same size and dimensions as X Rex, I assume similar

[stiff osprey]

it is significantly larger than x-rex

the biggest shant is like 19t

[fossil ingot]

I think Shant is like X-Rex but fatter

[outer tusk]

X-Rex really would've bene cooler if it was actually from a tyrannosaur

[fossil ingot]

And bro lived with Zucheng

[stiff osprey]

proof that the 15t zhucheng is somewhere out there

we must only dig...

[light osprey]

Random did not account for the fact that we can never know the full range of sizes a species achieved therefore it’s likely the largest Augustynolophus getawaycoulleensis probably exceeded 20tonnes

[fossil ingot]

Real
We must get Zhucheng to Rex size....

[tacit pine]

Thats me 🥱

[sullen cairn]

his ass should better adhere to measurements now

[stiff osprey]

oh no his torso is a ball

[sullen cairn]

evidence falcon is a genius?

incredible

[stiff osprey]

evidence that albertosaurus did not hunt in packs? or evidence of a yet undiscovered horseshoecanyontitan?

[fossil ingot]

Bro is Tall

[light osprey]

Shouldn’t the average Albertosaurus be smaller than this, or have you went ahead and scaled this skeletal accordingly

[stiff osprey]

i think that is largest albert vs largest edmont

although i am skeptical of the suddenly shrunken usnm

[light osprey]

Perhaps the Hypacrosaurus will fare better

[lofty creek]

14.5m in length and 19.5t in weigh

another version, 13.95m 22t

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Shantungo victims

[sullen cairn]

if you really wanted to you could use the 1.17m skull length from lull and wright for 12711 in which case it'd be some 5% larger than the 1.12m 801 skull

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Has anyone did a reconstruction of magnapaulia

[zealous ravine]

DOUSes

[cloud breach]

Too wide

Would only peak around 20

[storm heron]

I'm assuming the largest and the second largest Lambeosaurine in this chart is Magnapaulia and Amurosaurus respectively?

[sullen cairn]

correct

[thorn grove]

That same skeletal artist has updated that model to be a lot less girthy, the weight comes out to 16.5 t (though I'm not sure if "Zhuchengosaurus" is the largest specimen anyway, I believe we have at least two larger femurs).

[outer tusk]

here's better

[thorn grove]

yea that does seem better, no volume tho

[cloud breach]

Its the same dimensions

[thorn grove]

mostly but the modelled soft tissue is a bit different, the neck is quite a bit thicker on the second one while the tail is overall thinner, though it's probably pretty close in total volume I guess

[frigid delta]

WHAT'S WITH THIS SHANT BEING LARGE AF DAWG
BRO HAD ENOUGH FOR BEING PREDATOR VICTIM 😭💀🙏

[thorn grove]

Not to say predator/prey arms races don't happen or matter to large sizes but let's not forget that local ecosystem productivity, vegetation, and the available herbivorous niches are obviously also going to influence why Shant evolved the way it did

[cloud breach]

Ye its virtually the same, also GMV 1780-1 is the largest at 20t

1780-2 is 14.7t zhuchengosaurus ZCDM HS0001 is around 16-16.5t

[frigid delta]

what even its corrolation with zhuchengtyrannus?

[cloud breach]

Its just 4x bigger

[thorn grove]

they're from the same formation

[frigid delta]

so zhuchengosaurus is shant's old name or...?

[cloud breach]

Its a synonym

[thorn grove]

one large specimen was erroneously attributed to a new genus and then later realized to be a shant specimen

same thing happened with huaxiaosaurus

[brazen lynx]

Spino should not walk on two legs.

[low raven]

But it should

[brazen lynx]

Biomechanically the femurs could not even carry half of its body weight.
Spino is definitely a quadruped

[wary heath]

Source: trust me bro

[gaunt stone]

And its arms could?

[open compass]

Hippo too but it can somehow
Nvm, you're talking about two legs

[wary heath]

There's also literally not a single quadrupedal carnivorous dinosaur.

[white matrix]

Fools, everybody knows Spinosaurus flew

[brazen lynx]

It's common knowledge, do a web search

[open compass]

Wdym common, it was common in 2014

[white matrix]

Source: Ark Survival Ascended

[white matrix]

PK Spino, my beloved

[wary heath]

Spinosaurus was actually related to elephant seals (trust)

[brazen lynx]

I don't think there's still a single Spinosauridae researcher who would claim they walked on two legs. Also, the thing has a croc jaw, look at it. This creature is not morphologically equipped to battle any apex on land. It's an oversized croc

[white matrix]

I'm waiting for the scimitar Spino paper

[wary heath]

It's called convergent evolution.

[open compass]

C'mon

[white matrix]

Sure buddy, you're the expert here, we're just mere followers of your galaxy brain knowledge. Teach us, Lord

[woeful falcon]

That's a grotesque description of spinosaurus. It didn't have a croc jaw, and even if we do go by that assertion, so does literally every other spinosaurid, all of which are bipedal

[brazen lynx]

I'm talking about the Spinosaurus
Not all of them lmao

[wary heath]

It's also called having a thicc tail to support your bodyweight.

[brazen lynx]

It's called femurs that can not support seven tonnes

[woeful falcon]

This is one of the more recent papers with a reconstruction of spinosaurus

Tell me what stance it's taking

[open compass]

I mean It's impossible to tell by the look to the animal, look at the hippo, how does he walk? How it can reach 50 km/h with those tiny legs? See, that makes no sense

[wary heath]

Again, "trust me bro" is not a valid source.

[brazen lynx]

It's not my job to dispel ignorance

[wary heath]

What is our job, accept your claim at face value?

[open compass]

It's leg is bigger than us lol

[woeful falcon]

Then why did you talk at all saying spino couldn't walk bipedal

[steel fog]

quadraped Spino has been out of favor many times no?

[wary heath]

perhaps occasional knuckle walking but most of the time it was 2 legged.

[white matrix]

Since 2014

[steel fog]

Thought as much

[woeful falcon]

2014 is when it even became in favor, that's when we got the description of the specimen that showed what its legs were like. Prior to we thought they looked like any theropod's legs

[white matrix]

Best representation of Spino is in Prehistoric Kingdom, where it goes on its knuckles for a short bit to make a sound and then gets up

By the way, does the sail shape changes between individual or is it still like a "M" thing

[open compass]

How did other spinosauridea like sucho walk quadraped? I can't imagine that

[wary heath]

Looks like he's reaching under a couch for a penny.

[warm saddle]

Since 2016 (8 years ago)

[warm saddle]

My man about to start planking

[fossil ingot]

Source: Trust me bro

[brazen lynx]

They were much lighter, so that wouldn't be a problem
(To walk bipedal)

[open compass]

Sucho weighted like an elephant.. but you said other spinos can't walk bipedal

[woeful falcon]

There are suchomimus larger than specimens of spinosaurus. Suchomimus was gigantic

[wary heath]

Can you actually send a source after 2014 that suggests spino was quadrupedal?

[brazen lynx]

I don't know about sucho in particular, but to me it makes sense that some may have been bipedal and others not

[fossil ingot]

Idk how 5 tons for Sucho is small smh

[woeful falcon]

Spinosaurus's posture is still a contentious topic, but to say "it was certainly this and not that", that ain't right. Specially not when there are modern reconstructions in published papers depicting it bipedally

The unveiling of its tail helped a bit

[brazen lynx]

'They' meaning lighter members of the family, think two tonnes

[fossil ingot]

Theres like 0 evidence for Quadrupedal spinosaurids tmk.
They are all represented bipedally

[white matrix]

Oh so the tail dragging is very likely ?

[warm saddle]

Sucho is till like 6 tonnes with around the same porportion legs of spino,

[fossil ingot]

Sucho has longer legs at equal length tbf.
Its Legs are still decently proportionally longer

[brazen lynx]

You guys, I didn't claim that Sucho walked bipedal and Spino didn't lol

[woeful falcon]

No I didn't say that.

[wary heath]

.

[fossil ingot]

Random did this edit showing me that

[brazen lynx]

I'm just saying from a biomechanical perspective, looking at the femurs in particular, it makes more sense for a creature this massive to have walked on four legs, but there's no way to know for sure.

Could have just as well been fully aquatic

[fossil ingot]

Spino Legs are also known and were said to be VERY strong despite their size tmk.

[white matrix]

Suuure...

[wary heath]

TrustMeBro.gov

[woeful falcon]

There's something it needs also for it to have walked quadrupedally

Forelimbs built for that

[fossil ingot]

And even after tests like their center of gravitity and all
Spino has been Bipedal consistantly since 2020 lol
Quadrupedal Spino only lasted like...1 or 2 years

[fossil ingot]

Fun Fact: we don't have those
Cause Spino moment

[brazen lynx]

That's the best argument against the theory

[open compass]

They built for defence and for offense

[fossil ingot]

And its arms are based on Relatives, tho Sucho who has the longest proportionally tmk also shows no sign of been quad

[woeful falcon]

A lot of the debate about spino's posture came down to not only whether its hind limbs could support itself, but also its center of mass being too far forward.

But, limited knowledge and flawed reconstructions could also contribute to that, such as an uncertainty of its sail shape. But something that does help keep its COM from being too far forward is a long, "paddle" tail.

[open compass]

What about make them same body size not making them same length at all, can you do it?

[fossil ingot]

But like.
There is more stuff in favor for bipedal Spino atm
Tmk atleast

[thorn grove]

Guys I know we all like being very pedantic in here but they just dropped this out of the blue and then became very belligerent and deliberately engaged in a way that gets under the skin of pedantic types. You don't need to engage with someone who's clearly interested in conflict for the sake of conflict.

[fossil ingot]

Idk how to do that
Random did that edit just to show me how Sucho Legs are still longet than Spino's

[woeful falcon]

Which, when described, sorta gave some weight to the biped side of the discussion. That coupled with bipedal being the ancestral condition as well as fore limbs that aren't legs, no reason to think definitively that it wasn't bipedal. Being in the water a lot probably also help took a load off it

[fossil ingot]

Here is the Sucho at normal size tho, random made this edit, he grabbed Hartman's Sucho, fixed posture and replaced tail with Dan's Sucho tail cause it was better

[open compass]

Spinos legs aren't short at all (if you remove the spine cuz with spine it looks short)

[brazen lynx]

Clearly interested in conflict? What do you think a debate is? I even agreed with some of the points here.

I was mostly curious what the paleo channel thought of this hypothesis.

[fossil ingot]

I mean he isn't the only Dino with somewhat short legs(looks at Cera and Torvo)

[woeful falcon]

Sucho's also a baryonychine. Their legs proportionally are more like standard theropods

Spinosaurines are your shorter legged bois, especially the closer you get to spino itself

[brazen lynx]

I don't consider myself more knowledgeable on paleontology than the average person in this chat, the opposite

[thorn grove]

bruh

[open compass]

Majunga

[fossil ingot]

True

[brazen lynx]

Okay, I didn't say I was nice about it, but conflict wasn't my intention lol

[open compass]

I mean thiss
If sucho and spino had same body size (spino's body is a bit longer)
Spino wins

[white matrix]

Always amazed at how big Sucho was

[brazen lynx]

It doesn't seem like there was much of a conflict anyway. We've got a great discussion going for all I know.

[open compass]

It's not accurate sized, I just made them similar body size

[woeful falcon]

My thought is, no reason to definitively say Spino was quad, not without complete arms and in consideration of the ancestral condition of their limbs. But, Spino's limb proportions are unique and worth taking into account. But more recent depictions have swung back in favor of bipedalism, including from paleontologists. Especially after the advent of its tail

[white matrix]

Oh I see, still, looking at some videos about the Sucho vs Majunga, I always forget that it was still massive

[open compass]

Yeah it's massive, spino is just longer and a bit bulkier

[woeful falcon]

Probably a hot take, I don't care for ceratosuchopsins (the spinosaurids that look like sucho, including sucho)

I prefer bary and its lookalikes

[white matrix]

What makes you not care ? Just a feeling or something specific?

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[woeful falcon]

Aesthetic really lol. I think sucho itself is cool, but the buck kinda stops there

Same can pretty much be said about bary and kin, but I like bary more lol

[thorn grove]

I admittedly assigned more intention to your words than I should have, but early on it seemed like you were mainly trying to annoy people in here who are easily upset by a lack of citations lol. I agree things seem fine now.

[open compass]

You should prefer all of them, they're cool

[white matrix]

I don't know why I like Bary's skull so much

[fossil ingot]

Bary is cool

[brazen lynx]

Yeah, after seeing some of the points raised here I might shift my perspective back to bipedal after all.

[woeful falcon]

As far as preference goes, I'm all about the short armed bois lol. Abelisaurids and tyrannosaurids

[woeful falcon]

Aesthetic 💯

[brazen lynx]

Paleo chat humbled me down lol

[fossil ingot]

Majunga is peak, can't blame you

[woeful falcon]

This skull tho

[thorn grove]

Good to hear. Sorry for the trouble, the other chats can be prone to trolls just trying to irritate people so I was worried we might be getting some here as well.

[fossil ingot]

The small goat

The New Spinosaurinae with its Big ah crest is cool too

[brazen lynx]

No worries, I've been on the internet long enough to see where you're coming from

[woeful falcon]

Recently I've gained a lot of appreciation for carno, the animal. Not so much depictions of it in media but just the animal itself, and it's pretty marvelous

Only carnivorous dinosaur with even horns like that, marvelously preserved remains that include much of its skeleton and even skin on large chunks of its body, so we know what much if its skin looked like

All from one specimen, the only specimen

And it taught us that it looked like this.

[fossil ingot]

Smaller than Bary

[woeful falcon]

Hater....

[fossil ingot]

Bro is only 200kgs heavier than the Skinny guys

[thorn grove]

kind of a shame we don't know more about its ecosystem

[fossil ingot]

Def not me just hating Carno for no real reason

[woeful falcon]

Mhm 😔 but hey, we're learning more about it year by year.

[fossil ingot]

Bro looks much thicker than Aero but is only 200kgs heavier...
How is Bary heavier than this two again?
Did Guy just ate to much fish or smth

[wind prairie]

bro, a spinosaurus quadrupedalism discussion??? come on paleo chat you're better than this

[woeful falcon]

The peoples needed to be informed

[river plinth]

Yeah spino just has a comedicly large bobble head

[storm heron]

Ah, right. Amurosaurus is larger than I thought. It is interesting how Lambeosaurines seem to thrive and became gigantic in Asia (E.g. Amurosaurus and Charonosaurus). On an additional note, Magnapaulia only being outclassed by the largest specimens of Edmontosaurus and Shantungosaurus is interesting.

[weak iris]

How do we know struthiomimus didn’t feed off of insects? The modern ostrich eats insects and soft plants, and the struthi is basically just an ostrich ancestor. Also you don’t need teeth to chew soft bugs

[weak iris]

It’s looking at me weird…

[sullen cairn]

of course its probably worth noting the largest amurosaurus and magnapaulia are based on a humerus and partial humerus respectively

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Magnapaulia is the best hadrosaur, it’s not up for debate

[storm heron]

Oh yea for sure. Got to keep that in mind.

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https://x.com/barrerasaurus/status/1783882682117628158?s=46

Dani Barrera Guevara (@Barrerasaurus) on X

The biggest Lambeosaurine Hadrosaur:

Magnapaulia laticaudus
Prieto-Márquez et al., 2012

LACM 17715, LACM 17698 - 17700, LACM 17702 - 17713
LACM 17716 - 17717, LACM 20873 - 20876, LACM 20883 - 20885.

El Gallo Formation, Baja Califormia, Mexico.

Twitter · Apr 26, 2024, 3:35 PM

[halcyon cobalt]

hyperaggressive theri is my least favourite paleomeme

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What?

[sullen cairn]

there's some pubic shaft fragment in the big mapusaurus bonebed that's supposedly 10% wider than giganotosaurus' pubic shaft
less sophisticated folk may suggest such absurd ideas as "pubic shaft scaling is kinda iffy at best" and "maybe it belongs to some the same individual as the other large bonebed material given its a bonebed" but we're far better than that here

this is to say you're better off just scaling the large leg elements and assuming the pubic shaft belongs to the same individual as said large appendicular elements

[fluid inlet]

Interesting

[tawdry lintel]

I'm really curios about the crest of the Meg, I think there aren't real fossils from that part of their skull

[light osprey]

That’s not really true, but whatever

[frigid delta]

tf
https://youtu.be/eAFT9ppj0eA?si=IFvKSIWALBw_Utgk

[tulip gyro]

Indominus rex slams, destroys, eats, toys with irl rex, irl rex gonna die in a short time

[outer tusk]

Me when Baryonyx isn't heavier than the 2

[frigid delta]

be fr?

[pliant cedar]

it is quite close, indom has all that fancy croco armour, but its teeth wouldve been worse for cutting through flesh due to how crocodilian they are. rex would probably still lose but its not a compete stomp

[frigid delta]

i can clearly imagine how rex glazers would attack you if you put this into tiktok lol

[outer tusk]

It's not close at all, Indominus rex undoubtedly kills 😭

[pliant cedar]

the impacts of accurate rex on the paleocommunity

[tulip gyro]

Indominus superior

[primal ice]

Is zhuchengtyrannus Same size as a tarbosaurs nerd question?

[outer tusk]

no

[primal ice]

Rex wins this is reality vs fantasy yes indom is strong but she was pushed around bye a weaker trex that's can't crush bone a accurate trex is shear bulk muscle powerful jaws very agile and most strongest bite on land best eye sight smell ya no Rex's wins

And second yes indom has croc skin but trex hunter ankylosaurus triceratops edmomtosaurus these guys where mode stronger then the movies but anky is armor and trex has that bit to go through that armor so yall think a indom can go through armor yet this has been disproven bye goji center other paleontologist and YouTubers indom can't defeat a accurate trex

So ya indom can't win this one armor or not accurate trex win not just bite but bulk and agility

[tulip gyro]

are you lacking braincells

[primal ice]

No because this been preven bye multiple people

[tulip gyro]

how is rex gonna deal with camouflage, or the claws overall, and alone the agility would be enough against rex

[outer tusk]

Renders by: Feilong
Skins by: GameVideosforLife

[tulip gyro]

what happend to DB's spino

[primal ice]

First rex had power vision second rex delt with trikes ankys Ed's and possibly each other rex can just chop of I Rex's arms right a
Of since indom is very slims is is would be pushed around like a cats pushing a mouse and thirds rex is also intelligent not intelligent but smart to use its agility to Dodge it's

[outer tusk]

Indominus rex literally has tyrannosaurus dna and is presume to be larger than most tyrannosuaurs speicmens, so idk how you can logically argue for 'accurate' tyrannosaurus rex to win, but then again this is POT paleo chat

[tulip gyro]

do you believe in gustave and the 300 human kills by any chance

[tough parcel]

Are you, by chance, using text to speech?

[tulip gyro]

he just trolling probaly
-# falcon stinks ngl

[outer tusk]

eh tbf there are a lot of people who geniuelly think so because indominus rex isn't a real dinosar or whatever

[primal ice]

This is the case but since I rex was pushed around bye rexy she wasn't able to crush bone nor irex rexy was able to push irex into builds and throw her down so imagine if she was shear bulk she would be push around of to the water

[tulip gyro]

rexy got absoloutely destroyed🗣️ 🔥

[primal ice]

Really watch the movie again

[tough parcel]

Rexy was getting manhandled until Blue caught the I. Rex off guard

[primal ice]

She grab her neck thrown her around like a rogdoll

[outer tusk]

^ also Rexy is completely different from any accurate rex by far ( in response to what falcon said )

[frigid delta]

who's this carcharodontosaurid?

[tulip gyro]

JP3 spino still the best Big theropod out of any JW or JP movie

[outer tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ronald-weary-gif-25808160

[frigid delta]

it's Carcha?

[primal ice]

Yes but they still call it a trex so yet this isn't a trex so there fact it not necessarily a trex so indom doesn't has exact dna as a accurate trex only jp franchise rex not the accurate

[outer tusk]

yes

[tough parcel]

Rexy only got the upper hand after Blue distracted I. Rex and chaincomboed her into a few buildings

[frigid delta]

WAIT IT IS DINOSAUR KING COLORING

[outer tusk]

english please

[primal ice]

She dragged indom through the intire fight like a rag doll if yall say she was toying why hasn't she been serious when this happened

[frigid delta]

bcuz rexy is the weakest of all t. rex
irl 🔛🔝

[tacit pine]

Ong dude holy

[tulip gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-indominus-rex-gif-15755120877577528790

[tacit pine]

????

Either way why r u using rexy as proof irl rex beats indom

[unborn bane]

Please remain respectful towards other users, refer ro our #rules

[scenic flame]

why are we talking about a death battle between Indominus rex and Tyrannosaurus here

[outer tusk]

Apatosaurus

[primal ice]

Because I stated literally facts and people got all mad start saying stuff that's doesn't help the facts there us that reality wins against fiction which is very simple

[tacit pine]

Fiction wins against reality because fiction can be anything and has no limits

[stiff osprey]

To fight, one must first exist. If you don't exist you can't win anything

[outer tusk]

BARS

[pliant cedar]

i feel like the camoflague wouldnt be that much of a factor if its in an open environment, its pretty easy to make out when its figure isnt broken up by a bunch of trees

[pliant cedar]

this mod is the best thing that has happened to carcharodontosaurus since planet dinosaur

[pliant cedar]

if its the indom in jw, then it is a much more fair fight. indom was less than 6 tonnes at 15 metres. Indom would probably lose in this scenario

if its the full grown indom trex doesnt stand a chance

[weak iris]

?

[warped peak]

Isn't it thought to be an omnivore like most ornithomimosaurs?

[weak iris]

I heard that somewhere. Would make sense, as most modern birbs are opportunists

[wraith kindle]

It’s not even that closely related to birds….

[low raven]

If Indom was real it would lose to an accurate trex. In the Jurassic franchise it beats trex as Rexy is the largest one in the franchise and was being beaten by a sub adult indom until blue came and distracted her

[wraith kindle]

Why is indomimus even being talked about in here anyway?

[weak iris]

Its name = 'Ostrich Mimic'. Although it didn't evolve into ostriches, and it migth not be that close to birds, it is still faintly related prolly

Also how much would a struthi kick hurt? Thinking about the force AND the claws

I would say like half of a roo, but still very painful, but what does chat think?

[wraith kindle]

I think I saw something about the orinthomimids being related to the maniraptor group.

Re the kick: no idea on the force, can definetly see it being used against smaller animals with lethality. Definetly wont bring down an eo though.

[weak iris]

Relating to the jurassic world being talked about here, enough to stun a raptor for a few seconds.

[low raven]

Someone seeing if it could win against an accurate red and it can’t

[wraith kindle]

Struthiomimus is among the very last non-avian dinosaurs btw.

The claws would definetly be dangerous to anything small.

[weak iris]

:D. Bonus: Close up of my struthi

[steep needle]

man i thought this was a different channel at first

[flat pond]

What is the current estimated size for Isisaurus?

[primal ice]

This would be the case but since we are stating a real animal against a faction yes this would be 100% current but through this intire agreement nobody said reality or fiction but if rex was in the fiction its would still give indom a beating even tho rexy can't bite hard we are technically replacing her with a real rex which can crush bone but since this is in the fiction rex but I 100% agree with but even tho indom is not an adult a real trex still hunted Ed's that were still bigger then it but it in reality rex wins 100%fiction 50% why it depends on the environment scenario and climate between the 2 but nobody here is wrong technically we all have opinion which wins so technically speaking we all have an idea who's wins here

[sterile trail]

Opinions on Metriacanthosaurus?

[outer tusk]

peak theropod, next

[open compass]

Indominus

[sterile trail]

Peak fictional theropod, next

[sterile trail]

Why

[open compass]

Jk

[fossil ingot]

😭

Its really out of Topic, but like Indom victimizes irl Rex so hard is not even a Fair match

Goji Center literally means Nothing, If you wanna argue a Fictional Fight use Feats and Statements, Saying Irl Dinos are "stronger" than JP/JW Dinos is crazy
"Rex couldn't break Bones" quite literally stated she could, the fact she doesn't do it doesn't make the Rex weak, just makes whatever she bites. Strong enough to Tank the Hit
All Irl Rex has over Indom is Bulk and Weight
Indom has the superior Physical Strength, Speed and Overall Combat Mobility
This match is like puttung a Nuke vs a Coughing Baby
More argumentation can be made but like, I don't wanna add a 7 parragraph calculation on here

[fossil ingot]

☠️

[sudden wind]

I think I know the argument you are using, by establishing femur strength but then Giganotosaurus couldn't go above 4 tons by using this method, which we know it definitely did.

[pliant cedar]

no amount of shin strength beats cocaine fuelled awesome bro dinosaurs

[zealous ravine]

That argument was debunked years ago lmao

[zealous ravine]

This is factually incorrect, both Ibrahim and Sereno reconstruct it as bipedal, update your info dude

Quadropedal spino was a theory proposed years ago that didn’t hold any water, pun intended

[sudden wind]

Quadrupedal you mean

[sonic pendant]

did you mean quadrupedal spino

[pliant cedar]

isnt that the purpose of the long tail, to like help with balance

[zealous ravine]

Yep, that’s mb lmao

[zealous ravine]

That and swimming (worth noting even those who propose stork spino agree it could swim, the debate is just over how it hunted)

[pliant cedar]

i like to think that it just hunted fish in whatever way was easiest at that given moment

[zealous ravine]

I fully agree

[sudden wind]

Well, it's not a "purpose", more so of a function but it sure helped the animal to keep a better balance. The length has gotten a bit longer but not a lot anyway.

[pliant cedar]

because if both sides have pretty good evidence, then why cant both be true? stork spino doesnt exactly make swimming spino redundant

[zealous ravine]

Exactly, I also think croc spino is plenty reasonable as well

Tho not as likely as the other two

[pliant cedar]

yeah, maybe it was just an opportunistic piscivore. if large fish were avaliable it would swim for them, if not it would wade in shallow water to grab large quantities of fish, and if that wasnt avaliable it could ambush unwary juvenile large dinosaurs, and pterosaurs

[sudden wind]

I think there were some studies saying that Spinosaurines may have had a tendency to go after relatively large preys. If my memory serves me well, there also are juvenile iguanodontian bones in Baryonyx' gut content. Plus, even with Suchomimus being mostly feeding on fish, isotope analysis has shown that it also was going after terrestrial preys. Oh and I almost forgot Spinosaurine tooth marks on an Anhanguera fossil.
So yeah, Spinosaurs weren't just restricted to aquatic preys.

[pliant cedar]

yeah, a niche isnt exactly a fixed in stone thing.
even fish eaters like otters and gharials will go for terrestrial prey when given the chance

[sudden wind]

Males gharials that sometimes might take on donkeys (either being scavenged or hunted it is quite surprising)

[light osprey]

Perhaps what this indicates is a greater specialisation towards small bodied/mobile prey in Spinosaurinae as opposed to a less specialist group like Baryonychinae

[pliant cedar]

i mean, compared to spinosaurines, even large fish are small bodied mobile prey.
If you can catch a fish catching smth like a small dinosaur isnt hard with an ambush

[forest minnow]

Can anyone tell me the recent estimates for deinosuchus bite force?

[pliant cedar]

like 100k newtons, for large individuals

[fluid inlet]

If theropods weren’t quadruped then why all my pnso theropods keep falling over ?!

[wary heath]

Do they actually require that plastic stick to keep them standing?

[tulip gyro]

131 KN for CM 963

[fluid inlet]

My Carcharodontosaurus stands up with no issues but my yang keeps falling over ( I only have 2 pnso theropods)

[wary heath]

I was thinking of getting a yangchuanosaurus figure

[fluid inlet]

You can always use the hot water method which I haven’t tried but apparently it works, if your figure is having issues with standing. @zealous ravine

[wary heath]

What is the hot water method?

[steady rock]

whats the consensus of Mamenchisauridae having tail clubs?

[forest minnow]

Thank you

[primal ice]

There's several facts that disprove this but I can't even bother this generation is technically screwed no offense but it is yall have this convo but irl rex wins can't real say anything that's an prove my fact reality or not rex wins tyrant king for a reason

[forest minnow]

Can anyone tell me sarcos and rexes bite forces, I know sarco has no recent ones but like a rough estimate, please

[fluid inlet]

Basically if you’re figure is having issues with standing on it’s own you put it in hot water for about 30 seconds and the figure becomes a lot more bendable without chances of breaking. Allowing you to adjust it to where it can stand on its own. I haven’t tried the method but I am soon because I’m not a fan of dinosaurs that can’t stand up on their own.

[pliant cedar]

why

[warped peak]

I know I've seen these numbers parroted around a lot but is there any actual support for them? They seem kinda physically impossible high

[tulip gyro]

131 KN is based of modern Crocodylians

[warped peak]

Yes, and the anatomical disparity between them means they're not remotely comparable

[tulip gyro]

Scaling of them is accurate enough

Simplify your sentence so I can fully understand, I'm lacking the understanding of some words in English

[forest minnow]

You got sarcos bite force?

[tulip gyro]

Oh NVM I just read em wrong
No I don't got sarcos bite force

[warped peak]

You cannot compare any extant crocodilian to Deinosuchus in a linear manner, because Deinosuchus is as much as 10x larger

[fossil ingot]

Ima stop with the Topic cause like fatalis said its Off Topic.
Lets get a Better Topic, TRIKE

[warped peak]

sigh @marsh tapir

[primal ice]

Started Nothing

[fossil ingot]

The Big Head Guy

[pliant cedar]

ankylosaurs are so cool

[fluid inlet]

Magnapaulia the goat 🐐

[fossil ingot]

Indeed

[fluid inlet]

Indeed, indeed.

[steady rock]

i swear stego was bigger

[fossil ingot]

Why is bro so big
Fadeno sized anly smh

[outer tusk]

I love how Waraptah oversized ankylosaurus but undersized stegosaurus, what a world we live in

[fossil ingot]

Likely not using biggest Stego(hopefully)

[fossil ingot]

Fr

[fluid inlet]

Really love the artwork, ElReptileano is super talented in that department

[brazen lynx]

I realized

[zealous ravine]

Mhm, didn’t read all the way down, apologies

[hallow spear]

His anky is heavily oversized, reptilianos I mean

[wooden cliff]

Woah what happened to it's butt in 2003

[velvet burrow]

What happened to it's everything in 2004

[latent sluice]

Where his tail bone beater at in the first 1 lol

[sterile trail]

Hadn't found it yet

[fluid inlet]

More material was found 😅

[steady rock]

which mamenchisaur species had the tail club?

[thorn grove]

M. hochuanensis

[sullen cairn]

Questionably reconstructed Mexican

[indigo cradle]

Same

[steady rock]

do you think thats the first time this sentance has ever been said?

[steady rock]

may i ask what its tail club is made out of? while i think about this question, i wanna know, what are a ankys and shunos tail club made out of? pure external bone?

[zealous ravine]

Mhm, it’s just bone. May have had keratin over it, I’m not sure, but the part you’ll see on skeletons is just solid f*cking bone. Which is why it’s so damaging.

[fluid inlet]

holy moly

[zealous ravine]

Gabriel’s spino always felt a lil big to me but idk

This is prolly better

[steady rock]

are thagamizers bones or keratin? i think bone covered in keratin, right?

[zealous ravine]

Bone with keratin over them, extending and sharpening them, like bull horns

[steady rock]

would a ceratopsians horns share the same pattern of being bone with keratin over them?

[zealous ravine]

Any feedback on my bars? Still a WIP

[zealous ravine]

Yes, very much so. It’s possible the keratin as much as doubled the horn’s length

[outer tusk]

did you use this one?

[steady rock]

idk why but it looks very stiff

[zealous ravine]

Mostly a shant skel, but I did it on paper and then traced and edited it digitally, so it’s not 1:1 any particular skel

[outer tusk]

ok

[light osprey]

Wulagasaurus skull would be exponentially more based

[outer tusk]

but yeah would say it's alright but could curve the beak a bit more

[zealous ravine]

Possibly ye

[hallow spear]

Remake it based on saurolophus 😊

[outer tusk]

'Saurolophus' sicinskii

[lavish frigate]

Hey y’all! Me and a friend are working on a project regarding lots of scientific subjects (mostly around evolution and natural history) and I was wondering if there’s a good way to get a hold of scientific literature? I briefly considered google scholar but am not so sure about its trustworthiness. I want all my info to be as accurate and up to date as possible so advice would be helpful!

[zealous ravine]

Google scholar is a great start, it just links to other journals

[zealous ravine]

Plan on doing several variants based on diff species, can add him to the list

[lavish frigate]

Ah thanks lol, just didn’t want to end up being the one who trusted something with google in the name and ended up saying some bizarre untrue thing about Paranthropus being semi aquatic or something lol (I know enough that I wouldn’t actually make that mistake but yk what I mean lol)

[light osprey]

The Tlatolophus paper also has a reconstructed skull silhouette

[zealous ravine]

Google scholar is basically just a search engine for papers, but I would recommend double checking your facts with others if you wanna be extra sure

[lavish frigate]

👍

[frigid delta]

indeed indeed indeed

[open compass]

Did trike downsized like anky?

[sudden wind]

Trike goes between 4.5 and 8 tons. Possibly more but

[snow python]

How heavy were Megistotherium and Simbakubwa?

[halcyon cobalt]

like 500 kg - 1ton I’m pretty sure

[frigid delta]

Megi is 500 kg
Simba is 1.5 ton

[west coral]

who is this fella

[white matrix]

Quick question, I see more and more representation of Ouranosaurus being mostly bipedal, namely Prehistoric Kingdom, Prior Extinction, some skeletal displays and paleo-arts. Is there a reason why it is represented as more bipedal instead of quadrupedal these days ?

[tulip gyro]

Is there a better website for reading papers about modern animals? I've been searching long for one

[open compass]

Someone said that it got downsized to 4t and max 6t

[sudden wind]

Google scholar is a search engine that looks up for anything scientific, either papers, reports, stages etc.

You can basically find on any subject you want to look for. Just use the key words.

[tulip gyro]

We'll that's the problem
Im more a fan of just scrolling through the news until smth interesting

[halcyon cobalt]

national geographic or sum idk

[sullen cairn]

sabinasaura

[halcyon cobalt]

youtube recomended

[ancient crystal]

Web of Science is very useful imo

[fossil ingot]

Likely from this skeletal

[outer tusk]

that's Lane not Jane

[open compass]

It looks weird

Lol

[grizzled ledge]

dacentrurus

[fluid inlet]

Who said that Santa clause

[warped peak]

Nah, the Santa Clause is what banned Iron Bundle from Gen 9 OU

[umbral kite]

guys do u think smilodon acted like lion and had prides or like tigers

[tulip gyro]

it acted like beavers

[fluid inlet]

I wonder since the females in hyena prides are bigger than the males do the males still try to kill the female hyena babies when they are trying to take over or mate with the female.

[warped peak]

Smilodon no. Homotherium yes. We have examples of wounds too severe to survive without assistance

[sudden wind]

Females hyenas already have it hard enough with birthing that idk, they already have such a low natality and high chances of dying while giving birth. Though I think males sometimes try to go higher in rank but not by attacking females : it goes between males.

[fluid inlet]

Interesting so they won’t bother attacking a females pups? I was just trying to put it into perspective. Like How Bears and Hippos and many others will kill a females babies whenever they want to mate with her.

So it really comes down to Size being a male or female doesn’t necessarily matters. Whatever is bigger will always take advantage of situations.

[pliant cedar]

that shows social living, but not necessarily to the same extent as lions

[warped peak]

@marsh tapir here too

[pliant cedar]

what was that

[indigo cradle]

Aw what I miss

[broken shale]

an invite link to a Roblox discord server

[unkempt roost]

Could an actual laten survive this?
I mean probably not...
But the spine isn't engraved too deep into the skull.

[white matrix]

what’s the chances that some dinosaurs would theoretically be able to mimic human voices since some modern day birds are able to do it?

[elfin pulsar]

Hey is the prehistoric planet rex a bit too bulky?

[white matrix]

Also wondering

[warped peak]

HES A WIDE THICCC BOY HE GON DIE OF TE FAT

Or so is my professional opinion on the matter.

[kindred night]

They can do it now they could probably do it then

[blazing flax]

Generally I think PP (and Saurian because it was mentioned) are fine. They have a lot of sources and research backing their conclusions and are within the upper / lower limit of bulk. I've not seen anyone back up claims of them being ''too obese'' with papers yet but I'm not saying they don't exist, just that I'm not personally aware of them at this moment.
Otherwise rex is argued about so hard it's difficult to take anyone's non-professional opinions on it seriously, especially here where people are very overconfident in their assertions and you don't know where they're getting those assertions from exactly. PP and Saurian are at least easy to track sources for.

[fluid inlet]

These Cretaceous Period rock layers, known as the Yixian Formation, are famous for two types of fossils: A collection of still-perfectly articulated skeletons preserved in 3-D relief; and fossils that are flattened but bear exquisitely preserved details, such as feathers, pigments, soft tissues and even stomach contents. It was these feathery details that ultimately helped convince paleontologists that modern birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs

[halcyon cobalt]

which dinosaurs would be most fitted to sapience? not just intelligence, but also how effective and toolmaking they might be, if they were social etc

[storm heron]

Corvids

[wind prairie]

actually though, yes, corvids. maybe parrots

[halcyon cobalt]

I’m not sure how good birds would be with tool making compared to non-avian dinosaurs ( with the lack of fingers and stuff )

[zealous ravine]

The obesity issue yeah is hard to quantify, so I don’t like bringing it up. I will say it does have objectively too short legs comparing it to the most up to date skeletals however, which adds to the illusion of next

But in general I love PhP, it is quite possibly the best paleo doc imo, and by far the best in terms of research, accuracy, and cgi quality

[zealous ravine]

Modern birds such as corvids actually will take branches, strip them down to a single stick, and use that to spear insects in logs. So yes; they do use tools! They do so by utilizing both their beaks and claws

Frankly I’d argue Corvids ARE sapient. They use tools; can improvise new tools for new situations, such as bending a wire to make a hook, they have incredible critical thinking skills, and they even speak their own language! They have accents and can share information remarkably well. A study was done where someone held a fake dead crow in a park wearing a distinctive mask. Later, someone wore the same mask a long ways away, and the crows were incredibly hostile towards them. Proving they were able to share the information of this person’s appearance a very long distance.

[halcyon cobalt]

wow

I probably should’ve clarified in my original question that I meant more non-avian dinosaurs lol

[zealous ravine]

Fair, I’d guess troodontids b/c of large brain size and their omnivory and generalization

[woeful falcon]

Never underestimate the cunning of a bird! They're resourceful and they can do a lot with their feet and mouths. Non-avian theropods also have limited range of movement of their own hands and such compared to, well, us: the premiere tool makers

[halcyon cobalt]

mammalian excellence

[wind prairie]

dinosaurs didn't have mammalian cunning so they were doomed to extinction from the start

[tulip gyro]

Saurian goated

[wary heath]

Saurian is dead.

[tulip gyro]

Still goated

[wary heath]

In what way?

[tulip gyro]

The game itself

[pliant cedar]

maybe dromaeosaurs and troodontids.
troodontids more likely since most of the smartest animals alive are omnivorous/ mesocarnivorous

[open compass]

Not joking

I just wanna know is this true? Trike with small body and with huge head is kinda weird

[sullen cairn]

dentary giga is exactly 10.2t but trike can't get larger than 6t is such an interesting take

[frigid delta]

"Spino is 7.8 tons using Randomdinos skeletal"
#paleontology message

[nocturne ore]

Isn't giga heavier than rex

[open compass]

It's not

[frigid delta]

Giga 10.2 tons
Rex 10.4 tons

[nocturne ore]

I thought they both were on 8 tons not 10

[frigid delta]

that's average
on max Rex slams

[nocturne ore]

I thought rex was from 7 to 8 and giga from 7.5 to 8.5

[frigid delta]

#paleontology message

[frigid delta]

also

[fossil ingot]

Tbf iirc the GDI its actually around that

[fossil ingot]

8.8 ton Rex is interesting when the Holotype is 8.47

[fossil ingot]

Iirc Nau said it was cause there was smth about Big John last year or few months ago about having a Larger Head to body Ratio

Not the first time a big Ceratopscian had a big head even compared to its body

[fossil ingot]

Nah, Average is estimated about 8 tons.
Giga has like no exact average(just 2 specimens go brrr) but its thought to be on a similar average due to Holotype been 8.47 tons

[fossil ingot]

But yeah iirc using the 3D Model it got a GDI of around 7.8 tons, iirc 8.3 tons is more like an average between other estimates and the one with Random GDI

[outer tusk]

god are we still using that oversized tail 😭

[fossil ingot]

We love it

We like long tail

[mighty dagger]

What we all want, A spinosaurid with short legs and a looooooooong tail

[pliant cedar]

stubby stork crocodile

[umbral kite]

y is the alligator lips covering it bottom teeth but the crocodiles teeth aren’t covered

[outer tusk]

what until he realizes

[umbral kite]

😐

[steady smelt]

Concav drawing

[flat pond]

How are we feeling with this Stegosaurus?

[scenic flame]

PP's rex is deff obese

this level of fat afaik just isn't normal on a reptile

[umbral kite]

nice

[light osprey]

I really doubt that silhouette is actually representative of the tyrannosaurus model

[steady smelt]

Ty

[scenic flame]

it's from the documentary itself

[fossil ingot]

Why is bro obese

[warped peak]

Too many shoreline turtles

[umbral kite]

Try and use thus fossil a a reference i dont know if it accurate or not

[light osprey]

If you look at the skull of that silhouette, it clearly doesn’t match up with the way the documentary reconstructs their tyrannosaur lips

[steady smelt]

It looks like a quite accurate one

[light osprey]

I also recall an uncovered segment that had an image of Random’s Dreadnoughtus, which is probably not the skeletal they used. So the fact that something shows up in a PhP uncovered segment doesn’t really mean that much for the actual show

[fossil ingot]

I mean it kinda does, small changes in the lips is minor when the whole model reflects well that the Rex is fat

[wooden cliff]

Quick question who is in charge of the whole renaming of dinosaurs based on older fossils

[fossil ingot]

The whole siluette itself matches pretty well with what was seen

[nocturne cairn]

if it doesn't then that's the show's fault, that's a pic from a segment in an episode so that's their rex model

[stiff osprey]

Any researcher can propose a renaming, but the ICZN (international commission of zoological nomenclature) are the ones who decide to allow it or not

[flat pond]

I love PhP Tyrannosaurus but I will admit it is quite a bit obese

[wooden cliff]

We must storm them and bring back Troodon

[stiff osprey]

This should be more accurate to PP rex

sorry Vivid, didn't mean to ping you

[light osprey]

That’s so not an actual PhP rex model. we literally have the actual model available to view

[fossil ingot]

With a Different Posture smh

And even with that Posture looks to Fat Lol

[light osprey]

Yeah I’d expect it to look like it has a larger torso it’s in an almost squatting neutral posture?

[stiff osprey]

It's not obese at all. The legs are just way too short

And people say putting skeletals in neutral posture is not important

[light osprey]

Perhaps Table can articulate Hartman’s skeletal into the PhP neutral posture

[flat pond]

Oh, so its legs are just a bit shorter than what they actually are?

Also found this depiction of the PhP Tyrannosaurus with I think the right leg proportions.

[stiff osprey]

to be fair it is also fatter than the skeletals but to an extent that is normal variation in living animals

[flat pond]

Interesting.

[light osprey]

The actual model seems to have longer metatarsals than this fan made silhouette so it’s possible the legs are too short on the actual model but I’m not sure

[stiff osprey]

This isn't the final model

Krentz edited it to resemble Scotty, but it's still too short legged

[flat pond]

Oh so the Rex is based off Scotty?

[stiff osprey]

no, the Krentz edit that Pronto posted is. The show's is Sue

krentz edit (I was too lazy to straighten the tail fully)

[flat pond]

Huh, interesting. Then again Sue is one of the most complete Tyrannosaurus specimens that we have.

[light osprey]

Are you sure that’s what Krentz adjusted models are for?

[stiff osprey]

considering it is identical in proportions to Scotty yes I think it was made to resemble Scotty

[lavish frigate]

Did anything ever come of this?

[stiff osprey]

Hartman was one of the main consultants for PhP, I don't think they would use Dan's skeletal (who wasn't involved in the project) over his

[light osprey]

I’m not certain that he referenced he different specimen or not but krentz’s models are supposed to be edits which could either have been integrated into the model or not. And I think they were as the unadjusted model does have some discrepancies with the final model

[warped peak]

Today in paleontology: can we guess which one of these giant aquatic temnospondyls is close related to Prionosuchus?

[outer tusk]

left

[warped peak]

The answer is none of the above as neither is remotely within the same family as it. Convergent evolution amiright

Konzhukovia here is much closer, being within the sister family

[stiff osprey]

Maybe it was Scotty from the beginning, though i doubt it. Regardless, we can tell that the PHP one isn't obese, but it is overly short legged

[outer tusk]

Vald rex still up fr fr 🔥

[open compass]

Didn't MarcoMakes drew this?

[stiff osprey]

who

[outer tusk]

no he didn't

[outer tusk]

MarcoMakes is a dinosuar related youtuber that make models ranging from PHP, jurasisc Park, and etc

[scenic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYvRe0b9qN0

[outer tusk]

Is this color somewhat reasonable for animal like gorgosaurus?

[flat pond]

Ah well. Still probably my favorite Tyrannosaurus design in media, even if it’s a bit short legged

[iron halo]

We love a short king👑

[scenic flame]

yeah that looks alot more reasonable

[sudden wind]

Maybe idk blue but it so it'd would be caused by light relfection or refraction (so it wouldn't be the animal's true color)

[outer tusk]

I might be color blind but it look more green to me

[open compass]

You sure?
https://youtu.be/EjQS5gDTsNI?si=iIWV6GyZGVek4WQc
He always drew these arts himself before sculpting something

[outer tusk]

Shows JP rex instead of PHP rex*

[open compass]

And here's some images of PP rex (the last one isn't but it's similar to PP rex, and legs don't look short"

[warped peak]

None of these are by Marco

[open compass]

Blub, that was an example, here are the others (I only couldn't find PhP velociraptor and pachyrino)
Don't you see the similarities? He drew them, it's not official

See

[outer tusk]

no

[open compass]

Jk, but he confirmed that he drew/or edited these images

[flat pond]

Also, when PoT does its Rex TLC, I hope it’s akin to this, minus the filaments.

[woeful falcon]

Minus the feathers? Heresy.

[open compass]

I hope it'll look like this, it's because and accurate (Idk who made it)

[flat pond]

Not to be mean, just wasn’t sure if they would even do it, but if they are done the way Repti’s Carchar, then I’d love it even more

[open compass]

They are

[woeful falcon]

They prolly won't do filamentary feathers if I had to guess

[flat pond]

Just the feathers on this are a chef’s kiss

[flat pond]

A shame really cause if other people can do it, then how could they not be able to

[woeful falcon]

Reptileano's won't even have those in game it was said

[flat pond]

Aw, shame. It would have been pretty epic to have them

Still doesn’t dampen my feelings for his Carchar

What other dinosaurs are in need of TLCs besides Bars, Spino, Sty, and Stego?

[woeful falcon]

A number, but this is paleo chat!

[flat pond]

Fair

[stray steppe]

Stages of liking dinosaurs.

1 - the newbie: wow these big reptiles are so cool i love stego and allosaurus!

2 - the paleontologist: man these birds are sure unique, i love yutyrannus and micro raptor

3 - dinosaurs are alive?: wow this velociraptor is so cool referring to a pigeon

[cloud dagger]

Can’t relate

[warped peak]

4 - haha Weewarrasaurus

[fluid inlet]

Prehistoric planet the best rex, the rest are inferior

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/prehistoric-planet/images/a/a3/Screenshot_2023-07-21_174244.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20230722000403

[indigo cradle]

It's p good

[topaz shell]

I seen someone say Saurophaganax is a tyrannosaur because of the chevrons

[halcyon cobalt]

they are wrong

[wind prairie]

martin kratt size comparison is crazy

[topaz shell]

Does anyone know the paper where carch was upsized

[sudden wind]

I don't like much PH's Rex tbf. I have some other reconstructions that I much prefer over it.

[fluid inlet]

A friend said they are going to get me sucho so I think I’m going all in on baryonyx

@zealous ravine if you have Tyrannotitan, does it stand up on its own or do you need the stand support?

[wary heath]

I would've gotten alamosaurus but it's like 80 bucks

[fluid inlet]

I didn’t get it because it’s far too off the 1:35 scaling , it’s small compared to Haolonggood Alamosaurus

[zealous ravine]

I do not sadly, I do want to get it tho. Also regarding Alamosaurus, there’s a wild range of size among specimens, so both can be 1:35 depending on the specimen used

[fluid inlet]

Having pnso Camarasaurus and seeing the pnso alamosaurus next to it I just don’t like the size comparisons between the two. Although I know you’re right there is a good amount of specimens we can compare it to that would make it 1:35

[zealous ravine]

Fair enough. I’d absolutely have gotten the HLG Alamo but I already have a bigger titanosaur and decided to wait for argent, and it was worth it cause my argent is currently en route!

[fluid inlet]

It looks so good! You also get Huayangosaurus with it.

[zealous ravine]

Yep! I managed to preorder in time for that guy!

Gonna go nicely with my Mamenchi

[fluid inlet]

The green one looks so good ( not my photo)

[tacit pine]

The rest are NOT inferior

[flat pond]

I’m just gonna wait for BotM Stegosaurus to get here

[sterile trail]

Ill be honest, why the heck does the WWD Tyrannosaurus look like that?

Although I love it, it just has a big ass head

OH GOD I JUST LOOKED AT THE ARMS

[flat pond]

Don’t worry, it got upgraded to this a few years ago lol

[sterile trail]

Please for the love of God, make it look better in WWD 2

Also get the original narrator back

[flat pond]

I’m sure they will but for the episode it is going to be in, I believe it will not be the main focus. That would be Triceratops

[sterile trail]

Which in contrast had only like 30 seconds of screen time in the original

[woeful falcon]

I actually don't understand your complaints with wwd rex lol. Tyrannosaurus has a big ass head and little arms

However the head itself is absolutely grotesque and wrong

[sterile trail]

To me it's oversized

[flat pond]

Yeah the head very much off in terms of shape

[sterile trail]

Cringe worthy build

... The longer I look at it, I think the neck is really the problem

[woeful falcon]

Ultra thin neck yeah

[sterile trail]

Bro tryna be a Sauropod

Also look at those legs

[woeful falcon]

You can see the shape of its skull also lol

Shrinky wrappy

[sterile trail]

Real

We also got three Allo renditions from them

[woeful falcon]

The beast of bermuda

[sterile trail]

Good gosh Sue is massive

[sullen cairn]

brachylophosaurs no one cares about

i also learned i have no idea how to articulate ornatops' premaxilla

granted that might have more to do with it not being figured in lateral

[fluid inlet]

It will be you comparing two completely different eras bro. Yet again life on our planet t rex was beyond terrible.

The funny thing about T. rex introduction in Life On Our Planet is that everything else about it was great but the T Rex model https://preview.redd.it/isnt-the-life-on-our-planet-t-rex-a-bit-oversized-v0-fk2uzunbahlb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d3db8a9142945f1e3e4a37b53242a9d1fad4c832

[marsh tapir]

@umbral badge We ask you to please review our server's #rules and remain appropriate and in accordance to them. Thank you.

[sullen cairn]

great now i can at least pretend its in lateral

[zealous ravine]

Official Rebor Kiss repaint, def gonna try and get this

[west coral]

Who’s the first guy?

[sullen cairn]

probrachylophosaurus

[fluid inlet]

I like that

[light osprey]

If no one cares why’d you make a skeletal for them 🤨

[compact leaf]

why is that thing so leggy who gave it permission to be that way

it’s legs wouldn’t even be so absurd if it had a longer torso

[outer tusk]

Because Tableseating is just the superior lifeform

[sullen cairn]

cause i needed it to round off the dejection of 5-10t hadrosaurs

[outer tusk]

oh this one done right?

[sullen cairn]

probably a couple indets missing but should be most of em

[outer tusk]

real, nlg charonosaurus is so underrated

[sullen cairn]

is it really

[sterile trail]

And the Allosaurus model. They basically ripped the Jurassic World Allosaurus, adjusted proportions, and made it look more Paleo accurate

[outer tusk]

yes because it was discovered at the same year I was borned

[sterile trail]

Also good lord that neck

[outer tusk]

Btw you fw the colors

[sullen cairn]

reminds me of something but i am completely forgetting what

[outer tusk]

is it the jurassic world allosaurus

[indigo cradle]

Jp design spotted

It's JP gorgosaurus

[outer tusk]

it's based on this

[zealous ravine]

I wouldn’t say they ripped it off. The cgi was made by ILM, who do the JW CGI, so they prolly just had the model on hand and used it as a base lol

[white matrix]

I agree 100 percent

[fluid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-bros-bro-code-dude-bro-hug-gif-15039924

[white matrix]

Rex definitely needs sm like this that’s actually cool

Also pp rex dose not look that fat to me🤷

[hallow spear]

What about magna

And the big humerus which makes big saurolophus idk number

[sullen cairn]

magna is my arbitrary cutoff point
as for humerus i need to decide what one would even reconstruct that as

[light osprey]

Which Saurolophus

[outer tusk]

All saurolophus!

[west coral]

saurolophus krystofovici

[sullen cairn]

its just indet saurolophine
idk why it'd be saurolophus specifically

[light osprey]

Is the humerus actually from “ S. krystofovici”

[wary heath]

Does pnso trex stand by itself?

[sullen cairn]

no its just some big humerus from new mexico

[light osprey]

Yes this random Saurolophine humerus from New Mexico must be Saurolophus

[sullen cairn]

wulagasaurus if it was cool vs wulagasaurus if it sucked

[stiff osprey]

left one looks like a transitional form between brachylopho and edmonto

well they both do but the right one is at a further stage of edmontofication

[fluid inlet]

I hate to be that guy that mentions Magnapaulia anytime a hadrosaur is mentioned but….

Can Lufengosaurus be considered an ancestor for Camarasaurus ?

[stiff osprey]

Camarasaurus like all sauropods would have evolved from some kind of prosauropod, but there's no reason to think it would be Lufengosaurus specifically

afaik lufengosaurus lived after the first sauropods anyway which makes that impossible

[fluid inlet]

Yeah I know I just wanted to show someone a bit how evolution works among species, I figured I could use it just as an example with my dinosaur figures.

[stiff osprey]

oh, well you can do that without mentioning specific genera

[light osprey]

New word added to hadrosaur terminology

[flat pond]

Someone say Camarasaurus

[steady rock]

i dont know why, but that rex and allo size comparison looks weird to me

[wary heath]

Honestly I think I would invest in a yangchuanosaurus figurine first.

Would be a nice Christmas gift.

[fluid inlet]

I got the Yang! It’s definitely awesome tho, their newer model.

[wary heath]

Is this the newer model in question?

[fluid inlet]

Nope.

[wary heath]

A separate species?

[fluid inlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zRIRwZAU1s&t=997s

[wary heath]

Dang the other one looks so small. Or the guy is just really big.

[fluid inlet]

30$ rn on amazon

[wary heath]

I think I would just get magnus seeing how much bigger it is.

[fluid inlet]

yea id recommend it, not just because its bigger it just looks better.

[wary heath]

It's 42 dollars on amazon

[fluid inlet]

on amazon?

there should be a discount

[wary heath]

Trex is basic but the pnso rex just looks so iconic and beautiful.

The trifecta of apex carnivores, rex, giga, and spino.

[glad gorge]

i have two questions:
have radiodont fossils been found in washington state?
are laggania and peytoia two seperate animals?

the second question is because whenever i search up "laggania" on google it shows me results for "peytoia"

[fluid inlet]

Baryonyx by Lucas Jaymez

[sterile trail]

I love it

I like color speculations that make dinosaurs seem more like real animals

REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE WITH YOUR STATE FOSSIL

[sterile trail]

My state actually has two, (Basilosaurus and Zygorhiza)

[white matrix]

I don't live in the US, and I don't even know for which fossil France is most known for

[sterile trail]

I honestly don't know either, but apparently y'all had Pelagornis so that's cool

[white matrix]

We had Pyroraptor too

[sterile trail]

That's better

[frigid delta]

my country (prolly) only have ancient human fossils since it was formed 6 million years after dino's extinction (Indonesia)

[cloud dagger]

My country doesn’t have state fossils

[warm saddle]

And like Leptoptilos robustus and Stegodon triganocephalus

[alpine island]

Saurophaganax

[river condor]

Guys serious question
Would terastiodontosaurus make good pets?

[river condor]

I dont have a state fossil coz brazil but the only dinossaur ever found in my state was vespersaurus

[white matrix]

Also, most of France was underwater during the Mesozoic era

We have two Azhdarchids, one giant unnamed one

And Mistralazhdarcho

[warped peak]

Good pets? Unlikely

Reasonable pet? Moreso

[white matrix]

Speaking of Pterosaurs, I want to buy Pterosaurs by Mark Witton, any thoughts on it ? Is it still a good and reliable book ? How are the illustrations?

[stiff osprey]

It's a bit outdated taxonomy wise, on account of being 13 years old. But it's certainly the best book on pterosaurs for a non-academic audience

[white matrix]

I see, I also saw one made by Gregory S Paul so I'm hesitating a bit

[warped peak]

Biologically speaking, which is more likely/possible

Trike-Horned Psittacosaurus, or bipedal proper Ceratopsian?

[stiff osprey]

Witton's is a thousand times better than Paul's I guarantee that

[outer tusk]

We vibe with carcharodontosaurus?

[warped peak]

He looks uncomfortable

[outer tusk]

I know

[steady smelt]

Cera drawing

[fossil ingot]

Is bro starving?

[pliant cedar]

could mammals evolve pneumatised skeletons like dinosaurs

[outer tusk]

Why is the eye so small here

[pliant cedar]

probably an accident

[steady smelt]

Im not good with eyes honestly

[outer tusk]

nah all good if you want a reference for the skull and neck I suggest using Hnery's recon

[steady smelt]

Ty

[steady smelt]

I dont draw eyes normally

[pliant cedar]

ceratosaurus had big sharp teeth, i wonder why nobody pursued bleeder cera

[outer tusk]

no problem, if you need anymore help just ask me or anyone else

[steady smelt]

Thanks

[sudden wind]

I think that bleed oriented hunting tactic is stupid as like bleed is a secondary cause of an attack/attempt at predation.

Like, today I can't think of an animal that purposely bleed out its prey with the attention of bleeding it out. Great white sharks cause it due to the fact they just rip in half their preys, komodo dragon do so as hey trash down the tissues, nerves and ligaments.

[warped peak]

But but dino game

[sudden wind]

Delete bleed

[steady smelt]

Cerato had bleed once

It used stam and was pretty spammable but It was(kinda weak) in bleed terma 0.50 of bleed per hit

[west coral]

Why use that one, out of all of the carcharodontosaur skeletals available to you at the click of a button

[pliant cedar]

in an ideal world all dinosaurs should have some form of bleed, but since they also have bone break, it would be unfair for the dinosaurs that dont have that feature to not have any kind of special gameplay

[pliant cedar]

some dinosaurs are different tho.

for example large theropods hunting large sauropods would have certainly relied on bleeding it out

[hallow spear]

not nesesarily

you can hunt a large sauropod by making it immobile as well, aka the back of the hind limbs specifically upper leg mainly

[pliant cedar]

fair

although i dont think having bleed is a stupid mechanic, since if there wasnt bleed a lot of playables would be very boring, and there are only so many different playstyles u can have

[outer tusk]

dawg am aware of that, can I not just do one out an outdated skeletal just once 😭

[pliant cedar]

there is no scariest dinosaur, other than the cassowary
i doubt any non avian dinosaur would be scarier than a cassowary

[stiff osprey]

bleeding is a secondary tactic yes, but that doesn't make it dumb. Both sharks and komodo dragons still use it regularly if the primary tactic fails

[pliant cedar]

yeah, and there is onyl so much you can do with just basic attacks and bone break

[wraith kindle]

You mean the breathing system with the ribs or are you talking about the air sacs like what birds have?

[distant mauve]

Question what is sauroposidon related to? Is it a brachiosaurid

[wraith kindle]

Anyway, probably not likely. I don’t know if it only evolved once or if it evolved separately in multiple different lineages.

[manic grail]

Is this accurate?

[pliant cedar]

like air spaces in bones

[wraith kindle]

The Rex is slightly longer than the most complete specimen, though shouldn’t 12.5m be a bit bigger than 41 feet? Given that they could have gotten a bit larger, it’s certainly within species norms. The Spino seems to be based on the largest known specimen.

[wraith kindle]

Aside from the sinuses in the skull, the hyoid bones of howler monkeys I guess? It’s rare outside the archosaurs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeletal_pneumaticity

[pliant cedar]

probably evolved from the common ancestor of avemetatarsalians and pseudosuchians.
Unless there are examples of pneumatised skeletons in any archosauromorphs or archosauriforms

[gentle vessel]

Alamosaurus

[sterile trail]

I'm jealous

[wraith kindle]

Apparently monitor lizards have lungs similar to that of birds and crocs? Though I expect that it’s built differently from those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lung#Reptiles

[wraith kindle]

Smilodon californicus for California.

If you wanted a dinosaur though, it’s Augustynolophus morrisi, a hadrosaur.

[sudden wind]

That's the consequence of a failed attack when the preys successfully escape but yet is heavily injured. A predator won't really rely on bleeding out their preys as a first offensive option.

[sudden wind]

Thinking about it, bleed should still be a thing but the effects should be drastically different.

Sure, bleeding out will kill you but developers should, imo, look at what how does blood function. Basically, blood is carrying all the nutrients, hormones and soluble gaz in your body, so the tissues and organs function correctly.

[pliant cedar]

convergence?

[pliant cedar]

bleeding should cause different impacts, if vessels get damaged then it should cause a debuff in movement speed, maybe increased food drain and hp regen if organ damage, and then damage over time if it hits an arter

[sudden wind]

I wish there could be a way to implement exhaustion, which could be related to stamina

[pliant cedar]

fatigue, which might reduce the damage of some attackss

[warped peak]

Fatigue built up from overusing the same motions and attacks

[sudden wind]

It could honestly help to create new sort of gameplay more akin to that of lycaons and spotted hyenas

[pliant cedar]

we fixed rex spam

[steady smelt]

Just a question is 650 kg accurate for concave?

[pliant cedar]

ye iirc

[steady smelt]

Cool uh what would be te largest stimate for conc? I heard 320-400 kg and even 1.000kg+

[fossil ingot]

I think itbwas around 564kgs iirc

Actually its 594kgs
Around 629kgs if you add more tail issue

[manic grail]

Ah i see. I have no idea how big 1 foot is so idk if 41 feet is small for 12.5 m

[fossil ingot]

GDI is based on this skeletal but even compared to Random's Conc its basically same size

[fossil ingot]

Random's Conc as a comparison

[fossil ingot]

Using Google apparently 12.5m is 41ft

If you round it atleast
41ft=12.496m
12.5m=41.0105ft
If Google is right ofc lol

[pliant cedar]

have there been any studies on concs bite force

[fossil ingot]

Idk if Sakamoto Paper has Conc in it
Don't think so but let me see rq

[pliant cedar]

also do you think that conc may have stored fat in the hump for times of food/water shortage

[steady smelt]

I think nah but ig it should be kinda stronk

[fossil ingot]

Yeah it doesn't
Rip

[pliant cedar]

ok it seems to be a lake environment, so idk

maybe it had drier spells with less water

[fossil ingot]

Idk
Cerato has 5.9kN with Sakamoto
Majunga has 7.8KN

[steady smelt]

Imo It most likely didn't,It would most probably have colors

[fossil ingot]

Nah
Likely for display

[pliant cedar]

yeah, the hump doesnt seem robust enough to support a fatty reserve

[fossil ingot]

Smth I forget my goats bite hard lol

[steady smelt]

Its just 2 vertebrae that would be mostly skin

[pliant cedar]

so display then

also why is its hump always portrayed like this? how do we know that part of it didnt break off

[gentle rampart]

maybe for attracting mates or looking dangerous

[mossy patrol]

it was actually one half of wings and it would fly around like a bumblebee

[pliant cedar]

also why is its hump always portrayed like this? how do we know that part of it didnt break off

[steady smelt]

It could be like a lot of skin like a sail let me find a foto abt that

[pliant cedar]

so it was just skin ig
seems vulnerable to infections and such, but if it was the apex predator it probably didnt have much to worry about

[steady smelt]

Yh in las huerguinas there arent other theropods apart from concave (well pelecanimimus IS a theropod but) and It also lived with Mantellisaurus

Probably preys for concavenator

[gentle rampart]

did this thing have feathers

[pliant cedar]

there are quill knobs
only maniraptorans have true feathers iirc

[steady smelt]

On its arms yh

[indigo cradle]

We have evidence of quills on it's arms
But that's all we got

[steady smelt]

This are animals concave lived with in la huerguina

[fluid inlet]

Conc from the early Jurassic ?

[sullen cairn]

Sigh

[outer tusk]

Table what happen homie

[sullen cairn]

The newest concavenator gdi is actually 604.73kg

[outer tusk]

OMG A DECIMCAL AND MORE!!!

[steady smelt]

Cretácic 125 Mya

Is actually cera so damm massive? Or is this concave small

[outer tusk]

what the hell you did not scale it right

[calm agate]

No he did, Cerato dwarfs Concavenator in both mass and physical size

[steady smelt]

Its scaled right

[fossil ingot]

Bro gained 10kgs😭

[fossil ingot]

Cera just been Big

[outer tusk]

oh yeah I keep forgetting, man dinosaurs are weird!

[fossil ingot]

Yeah.
Remember Cera is 7m and Conc is 5.8m
Thats 1.2m difference in length Alone

[steady smelt]

And cera IS 1100 kg? Right or a bit less

[outer tusk]

Ceratosaurus can smaller than 1.1 but estimates of 1.5t are also considered for the largest

[pliant cedar]

robustness

[fluid inlet]

cera cooks that fraud

[steady smelt]

I prefer concave over cera but ig cera wins over concave

[fluid inlet]

Mark Witton , anomalocaris sighting.

[compact leaf]

@light osprey I need your help with some paleoclimatology type stuff

[light osprey]

What’s up 🙌

[steady rock]

how much Plate armor/padding would be needed to survive a blow from a ankylosaurus?

[compact leaf]

peek at your dms in a second

[steady rock]

like, would a standard medieval knight be able to survive a blow from ankylosaurus?

[compact leaf]

like if it’s a square hit to the chest from an anky that’s lined up, probably not

[stiff osprey]

The club would not get through the armor, but it would dent the armor inward crushing the knight's chest

that's what warhammers did but times 100

[steady rock]

on the topic of dinosaurs and armor, what would be more effective at stopping or lessening thagomizers? plated armor or chainmail?

[stiff osprey]

plate, chainmail is weak to piercing

[steady rock]

do you think the force of a stegosaurus swing could penetrate plated armor?

[stiff osprey]

the thagomizer being a sharp point there's a decent chance it would slide/glance off

but if it somehow got hit dead on yes

[steady rock]

would there be any case of thornmail being better then plated when defending against a dinosaur? the only thing i could think of is a raptor claw/raptor prey restraint

[zealous ravine]

Mhm, biggest danger imo would be broken bones from just the force of it.

[stiff osprey]

mail is great against slashing, but there aren't any dinosaurs that really use slashing attacks

therizinosaurs maybe

plate is just better in every way tbh but it's more expensive and heavier so not everyone could use it

[steady rock]

oh i never knew that! thats cool

[tough parcel]

But why

Just melt down all the metal in the area and boom, plate armor

[stiff osprey]

chainmail uses like a tenth as much metal

although crafting like 8 billion little metal rings is hard so maybe i'm wrong on the more expensive part

[tough parcel]

Hard, but if it's less metal, probably less costly in general

[steady rock]

i remember in chased by seamonsters, they used chainmail on a fish to stop the dunk from snatching their bait fish, would it have been effective as they showed in the show?

i think something about it not being able to get a grip on the fish to pull it off the stick

[stiff osprey]

You forgot the part where the chainmail didn't do shet under an adult dunk's bite

the fish still got sliced

[steady rock]

i havent watched it in a year 😔

does a modern dunk have the same bite force as a "retro dunk " ( the long retro dunk )

[stiff osprey]

probably?

Dunk's bite was never super high for its size it just has an absolutely incredible mouth closing speed

[steady rock]

like, it could close its mouth incredibley fast? fast enough for the human not to comprehend?

[stiff osprey]

it opens and closes in 1/10 of a second or something

[steady rock]

i cant even imagine that speed in my head

[wooden cliff]

Thanking God everyday that Baryonyx was never renamed as Suchosaurus

[thorn grove]

Chain mail was developed before full plate armor iirc. Despite setting up all the rings being tedious I believe it was still easier than getting the steel to actually develop correctly as a single piece.

[warped peak]

Tbf it might be pretty high proportionally now that it's like a 1 Ton animal

[stiff osprey]

That makes sense

[white matrix]

Any math brains here mind giving me an estimate to how much I would have to upscale dilophosaurus to get it around torvosaurus size?

[steady rock]

alot

[bitter quest]

Also depends what torvosaurus species you're referring to also specimen

Why did they put a cooldown in Paleo chat

[white matrix]

Let's say, edmarka size

[bitter quest]

Well then might have to grab pt dilo and compare it to jfd, jfd the more accurate sized one in height and length. That's if you're doing the in-game one

[river plinth]

.....hear me out

[bitter quest]

I think you posted that in the wrong chat

[river plinth]

Just hear me out tho

I'm having a brain blast

[bitter quest]

Also edmarka size is around 11 meters compared to dilo which around 5 - 6 meters

[lavish frigate]

I…what are we hearing out…this has worrying implications…

[fallow citrus]

i was also concerned 💔

[river plinth]

I'm saying they are oddly similar types of animals

[fossil ingot]

Doesn't JFD Torvo lack some Leg Cartilage tmk
So it should be a bit taller

[bitter quest]

No, pt upsized theirs

[thorn grove]

If you're trying to match weight then it's between 1.45-1.82x for T. tanneri depending on the estimate, and about 1.83-2.32x to match T. gurneyi

[bitter quest]

They're asking about edmarka rex specimen though. But for an average specimen you're correct

[thorn grove]

yea I noticed a bit late lol, probably similar to T. gurneyi's higher estimate in that case

[lavish frigate]

My first response was going to be “no, you cannot make iguanodon kiss the sloth”

[white matrix]

So if i matched weight, around how long would this dilo be like 11-12m?

[fossil ingot]

I know that but I am PRETTY sure JFD Torvo came before Random added Leg Cartilage to his skeletal

[thorn grove]

Dilo was kinda long and skinny so possibly even more, maybe like 13-14 m

[lavish frigate]

Of course that makes falcon sad

[fossil ingot]

Longer, Dilo is thin

Take im count this Dilo is still like 400-300kgs lighter than a Cera who is 30cm shorter in length

[tough parcel]

@hallow spear Get to work, Math Boy

[white matrix]

So a 13m pseudo apex 4 slot dilophosaurus is what I'm getting

[bitter quest]

Cera bulkier than dilo though so makes sense

[fossil ingot]

Make Dilo eat more

[bitter quest]

More like break it's rib cage and other bones just to make it more chonk

[thorn grove]

yea I guess, are you trying to make a giga-dilo or something?

[white matrix]

(For a bit of context, this speculative dilo is a mod idea)

[tough parcel]

Squints

[river plinth]

I thought dilo was bigger

[bitter quest]

Gigalophosaurus

[warped peak]

Haha giant Dilo

[white matrix]

Yes, that's the idea

[fossil ingot]

Rare Cera W

[tough parcel]

We have ~5 different specimens

Iirc Dempsey’s is based on the younger individual while Random’s is the largest

[stiff osprey]

correct

[bitter quest]

Fr one thing that cera not gonna be a jobber to

[warped peak]

Kayentapus enters the chat (possible giant primitive theropod ichnotaxon)

[tough parcel]

Foot

[fossil ingot]

Fr

[bitter quest]

If only we knew what it was

[stiff osprey]

To match Edmarka's weight you need a dilo that is just over 14 m long

[fossil ingot]

Dilo Lite