paleontology

[halcyon cobalt]

any good skeletals for paludititan or similar sauropods?

[stray saddle]

Its just bigger than real life

Saurophaganax doesn't exists unfortunately

[sterile trail]

I thought the current consensus is that it exists we just dont know what its fate is right now

[west coral]

It exists, it’s just the holotype now, which is tiny

[fossil ingot]

It exists(again)

[fossil ingot]

It isn't necessarily THAT Tiny, if you talk about the skeletal that I think you are talking, that one is not scaled properly and.should be a bit bigger

[umbral kite]

can some one till me how to read this

[sterile trail]

Sooooo, it's basically saying Argent is 70 Tons and Patagotitan is 52 yet Puetrasaurus is 80 Tons. So according to this, Pue would be the largest?

Did I get that right?

[crystal dock]

Puerta should be 66 tonnes

[stiff osprey]

Puerta's vertebrae are dwarfed by Argent's, it is definitely not 80 tons

[umbral kite]

guys do u think theri or pcyno was so violent that it. Would spawn camp baby dinosaurs

[hallow spear]

Ignore it

[sterile trail]

K

[warped peak]

Spawn camping doesn't exist in the real world

[river plinth]

That explains so much especially about sasquash

[ancient crystal]

I'm sure they don't mean that literally, rather I imagine they mean would those animals deliberately kill babies of other species or something

[river plinth]

Must have also been scary as hell cause If ppl before cilvle rights couldn't get along with other races imagine how genuinely frighting it would have been to accidentally come across a group of different species of human that weren't to fawned of you cause you mistaked them for you thinking now all those stories of Bigfoot stealing wemon and children or ppl who strayed a little to far might have been real at some point

Maybe that's were we got are distrust or fear for other races back then that's just my theory tho what do yall think 🤔

[tough parcel]

Considering how we made the Neanderthals go "extinct", I don't think it was in reaction to them LMAOOO

The theory I've heard, that makes more sense than "muh racism", is that it came about to allow healthy individuals to better distinguish sick individuals so they can avoid them better

[river plinth]

Yeah I think we gave em death by snu 😭

[river plinth]

Ima lover not a fighter 🗣🔥🔥🔥

[tulip stream]

Heavy ass

Like imagine how slow that thing would be

[pliant cedar]

they died because they could not match our freak.
we simply bred them into extinction (also killing them a few times, through direct and indirect competition)

[river plinth]

L on there part 💅

[umbral kite]

no as in if there was a nest of baby dinosaurs and the parent werent around they go there and kill the baby like in real life most bird do it and. And because theri was so violent would kill bay dinosaurs jist to advoid more predator and would pcyno just kill other babys of it own species becUse it was that violent

[warped peak]

Animals don't kill for sport

[wary panther]

We don't kill for sport?

[warped peak]

Humans are an exemption to any animal based laws

[woeful falcon]

Man where in the conversations of paleochat the past couple weeks gave the impression we would know the behaviors of these dinosaurs like this anyway

[wary panther]

Orcas aren't recorded killing for sport?

[woeful falcon]

Wasted energy! Though I wouldn't write that possibility off, typically as I see it the stuff people call "killing for sport/fun" and "playing with their food" is more teaching their young

Or killing for a very very specific part of their prey

In any case, orcas are not dinosaurs

[umbral kite]

not sport just in general like pcyno would find a nest kill the baby and eat then leave a there would kill of the baby just to no have any more predators and dont most any animal do that just so they dont have more predators like baboon or rabbit killing there children to make more

[woeful falcon]

How would we have any idea if pycno did that? We don't even really know what it looked like

[zealous ravine]

No, BUT, several herbivores are known to kill baby predators when they encounter them to prevent them from growing into a potentially dangerous animal

[umbral kite]

i was told pycno were violent in that y and may have cannbilzid young

[zealous ravine]

There’s zero evidence for that whatsoever, whoever told you that made it up lmao. Pycno is known from a few fragments of tail and leg bones, we have no way of inferring behavior

[river plinth]

That was probably majunga

[umbral kite]

also i just realized i been spell pycno wrong this whole time but what made us say theri was so violent

[zealous ravine]

Majunga may have cannibalized adults but tmk there’s no evidence that they did so to young and no evidence that they actually killed one another, it’s quite possible one Majunga was simply scavenging on another’s corpse

[zealous ravine]

Also nothing, there’s zero evidence for that lmao.

[umbral kite]

see so y this every thing make seem like that

[woeful falcon]

Made up

And certainly not everything makes them look violent. In fact, first time I ever saw Theri in media was Chased By Dinosaurs, and it was depicted as very docile, except in the presence of Tarbosaurus.

[umbral kite]

wait is it true tarbo most likly hunted saurpods

[zealous ravine]

I believe there’s some evidence of Tarbo hunting Nemegtosaurus and Opisthocoelicaudia, but keep in mind they were relatively small for sauropods

[umbral kite]

in size but wat about weight

[zealous ravine]

Probably roughly the same weight as tarbo, but I’m not sure, lemme find some estimates

[umbral kite]

i found 9-10 toms for Nemegtosaurus

[zealous ravine]

I’m seeing 4.5-5 for tarbo, I can’t find anything for nemegto, and opistho estimates seem to vary wildly, anywhere from 8.4 - 25.4

So long story short idk, @stiff osprey you wouldn’t happen to know the most reliable estimates for these guys?

[tough parcel]

The Reaping Lizard SLICES the competition!!!!

[zealous ravine]

Also seems from what I can find that we just have evidence of Tarbo feeding from sauropods, not necessarily hunting them, though it isn’t out of the question

[umbral kite]

The reason i heard of that was because it jaw may have had a locking in place like

[tough parcel]

I feel like unless one subscribes to the idea that sauropods die in high enough numbers that the local predator never has to hunt them

It might be safe to say the local predator actively predated upon them to some degree

[tough parcel]

Alioramus does too, last I was aware

Take that as you will

[zealous ravine]

Definitely, but I wanted to clarify that there wasn’t evidence of active predation, which is what I had implied earlier

[umbral kite]

true buttttttt if it had a jaw like that it would have been able to hold on or drag the larger prey woth something like that

wait is tarbo the asisan version of trex

[zealous ravine]

True, but inversely it could be used to hold on to struggling prey. Though it seems that we are fairly sure that tarbo would have fed on and, as can be reasonably implied, hunted mainly large animals. Also to answer your question yes, they are quite closely related, to the point that some have suggested Tarbosaurus may be a species of Tyrannosaurus, but that’s still up in the air

[umbral kite]

Because it lived in a area that was something like asia so does that mean it would have tried to hunt a theri

[zealous ravine]

I’m not sure, I think it mainly preyed on hadrosaurs and sauropods. Theri’s claws, while not primarily a weapon, would still make a predator think twice

[umbral kite]

what was it primarily weapon

[zealous ravine]

Whaddya mean? I’m sorry but the way you write is kinda hard to understand sometimes lol

[tough parcel]

Laser-guided, shoulder-mounted missile launchers

[umbral kite]

What was theri mean weapon to fight with

[zealous ravine]

If you mean to ask what its primary weapon would have been, then the claws would probably be the first line of defense. But the claws themselves likely evolved to help with feeding, the defensive function would probably have been a side effect.

[umbral kite]

wiuld it us it beak

[tough parcel]

Yes

[zealous ravine]

Probably, I don’t see any reason it wouldn’t

[wraith kindle]

Wasn’t a study done showing that the claws were not built for any sort of combat? I was gonna say useless, but not being built for combat doesn’t mean they’re entirely useless. They still look like something you wouldn’t want hitting you in combat.

No idea if they’ve found theriznosaurs with damaged claws or not that wasn’t post-mortem.

[light osprey]

Isotope signatures in tooth enamel indicate Tarbosaurus was feeding on both hadrosaurs and sauropods

[snow python]

Accurate?

[zealous ravine]

Yeah they def weren’t suited for full time combat use, but in a pinch they could give a predator a nasty scratch, or even just scare one away

[pliant cedar]

orcas:

but yeah, most animals arent intelligent enough to do it for fun

[wraith kindle]

The top of its back would be more about shoulder height I think?

[fossil ingot]

Its a bit oversized there
Biggest Anky atm is 4.5 tons
Largest Anky is also not much longer than the one in the pic, the smaller Scale Bar iirc is for the biggest Anky

[pliant cedar]

everyone acts like anky is like 8 tons

[fossil ingot]

Fr

Fadeno did Anky fans to much dmg
Btw here same Anky skeletal as before just with a human

[umbral kite]

is a andonton different from ankylsaur

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
Another difference other than size is tail club shape

[umbral kite]

is anky in the game or andon in the game

[fossil ingot]

Anodontosaurus is the one ingame

[umbral kite]

is ano smaller than anky

y was i lied to that anky was the same size as triceratops

[wraith kindle]

Isn’t the Trike ingame oversized too?

[woeful falcon]

I mean, lets not act like Fadeno's recon wasn't the most resourceful for the time. Lets not act like Lancian's always existed. Put some fault on people who also tunnel vision to largest estimates as if that is the only thing to go off of

[river plinth]

Man finding mates must have been hella awkward

[tough parcel]

I'd also like to point out Lancian made theirs months (a year+?) after Fadeno's so he had the headstart of being the only (good) Anky for a while

[woeful falcon]

Ye. But it also isn't trike, its Eotriceratops

[wary heath]

What kind of dinosaur was scelidosaurus?

It's armored like an ankylosaur but can walk on 2 legs like a hadrosaur

[tough parcel]

A primitive thyreophoran so ancestral to stegosaurs and ankylosaurs

However, I think the bipedalism is disputed?

@hallow spear Cmere and stegosaur all over the place Idk

[wary heath]

Its face does kind of look like a stegosaur

[tough parcel]

It's from the early Jurassic so it's got a while to go lol

[wary heath]

Is eoraptor considered the earliest known dinosaur?

[zealous ravine]

I don’t believe so no

[zealous ravine]

From what I’m seeing online Nyasaurus may be the earliest known dinosaur but it’s position within the group is disputed

[wary heath]

I think there's a group of creatures that look like dinosaurs but are technically not.

[tough parcel]

The Nanotarbus and Nanoankylus...???

[scenic flame]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-frog-smiling-friends-explosion-gif-17566199495642916689

[scenic flame]

poposauridae and various dinosaurimorpha species come to mind

[zealous ravine]

I mean there are several, you’ll have to be more specific lol

If silesaurids are in fact ornithischians then one of those may be the oldest known dinosaur but I’m not sure

[wary heath]

They are some quite neat creatures.

[fluid inlet]

Yes?

[steady smelt]

I just forgot how massive allo can be

[pliant cedar]

its funny cause for their size a lot of dinosaurs arent that heavy

[steady smelt]

Yh ik allo is abt 2600 kg and cerato IS abt 980-1100 kg from what i heard.

[light osprey]

It should be quadrupedal because it looks better as a quadruped

[river plinth]

That's because they mostly would have had saggy ball sack skin like elephants or not just only enough muscle and bone strength to hold there weight

[steady rock]

anyone got any updates on this giant thing?

[fluid inlet]

We found him

[sudden wind]

It's not accurately scaled and iirc some random vertebrae

[pliant cedar]

i thought dinosaurs didnt have that kind of skin

[steady rock]

aw man :( will it still be large tho?

[fluid inlet]

It’s very large lol

[steady rock]

i know, but they said it wasnt accurately scaled

[sudden wind]

It still is large. Just not sauropod sized lmfao.

[pliant cedar]

he wants an apology

[drifting knoll]

ok so I notice people talking about Priconodon

[fluid inlet]

Lion victim

[drifting knoll]

and the only evidence I'm seeing they have for it is teeth?
Does anyone remember early iguanodon depictions

[steady rock]

would saltasaurus be a lion victim?

[fluid inlet]

A fibula as well

[outer tusk]

what the hell did you do to the neotype 😭

[pliant cedar]

i mean hmmmm
maybe? idk, lions dont tend to go for prey of that size solo
a tiger yeah, but not a lion

[drifting knoll]

"Hm the only proof of this creature we have is teeth... Let's see what we can come up with..."

[fluid inlet]

Also a partial fibula not just teeth.

[pliant cedar]

even if ur basing this off lizards its still so wrong 😭

[river plinth]

For the most part no if you're looking at some of the ones thing like a sorapod or plated dinosaurs or lightly built like abellysaurids but your stegos edmontosaurs and mega therapods would have likly had some roles on them cause agile moving plus large with tight skin like some ppl put on trike and rex leads to tearing if they move a little to fast

[river plinth]

^

[tulip gyro]

The super fat one looks like an obese chuckwella

[umbral kite]

were dinosaur hybrid possible like if we forsed breed a tarbo and a trex would i nake a hybrid

[steady rock]

redboss never change

[fluid inlet]

Anytime I see red boss I know it’s gonna be a great time in here.

[pliant cedar]

between the members of a genus probably, but like ligers and mules it would probably be infertile, or just die prematurely
so we could make a hybrid of t macraensis and trex, but not of tarbosaurus and trex.

[fluid inlet]

Loved the aggressive pycnonemosaurus conversation btw.

[next moss]

hes finally real

[pliant cedar]

i like people like red, they ask questions that i enjoy answering

[steady rock]

what jack horner theory was the most correct

[fluid inlet]

This takes me back to simpler times.

[pliant cedar]

dinosaurs being more social than we thought

[steady rock]

that was his theory?

i thought his theorys were like, trike is a growth stage of torosauurs, i didnt expect them to be smart

[drifting knoll]

Dinosaur hybrids is surprisingly likely now that I think abt it

[umbral kite]

realist goji?

[drifting knoll]

ESPECIALLY ceratopsians, less genetically varried theropods, and maybe smaller hadrosaurs

[river plinth]

I could definitely see a muttaburrasaurus iguanodon hybrid possible but yeah like you said it would be infertile

[woeful falcon]

Among his hypotheses was also Dracorex and Stygimoloch being synonymous with Pachycephalosaurus and representing growth stages

[steady rock]

wasnt that correct kinda?

[umbral kite]

do think large apex hadrosaurs and saurpod donu think they mated for life or mated then left but they still cared for thr babys like ti was there own

[pliant cedar]

bro had so many hits and had to ruin it with the biggest miss in human history

[steady smelt]

That's what i found i just scaled It to the cerato and that's what i came up with

[fluid inlet]

Being too intelligent can make you the biggest goof

[steady rock]

nanotyrannus too

[pliant cedar]

giant animals are often k selective for offspring, meaning they take good care of a few offspring, but sauropods actually had a lot of offspring, suggesting minimal parental care
hadrosaurs probably were in the middle

[steady smelt]

But then i found this other allo

[woeful falcon]

Nanotyrannus was Bakker not Horner

And was also 40 years ago

[pliant cedar]

nano isnt as much of a fumble as scavenger trex, if u use other formations

[outer tusk]

Neotype might be a little bigger but shouldn't tower over allosaurus

[fluid inlet]

With so much megafauna around I don’t know why someone would think a dinosaur with the strongest bite force would be a scavenger, like I just don’t see how you can make the correlation lol

[outer tusk]

wdym this other allosaurus these should be the same skeletal, you just didn't scale it right

[umbral kite]

guys do u think saurpod where very aggressive and if frightintthey try to kill on sight a predator

[tough parcel]

Nanotyrannus might actually exist, so hold onto y'all's butts

[tough parcel]

The hyper-aggressive herbivore trope lost its charm when used unironically within the first time

[steady rock]

if it did, wouldnt it be in competetion with younger rexes?

[tough parcel]

The Alioramus-Tarbosaurus in question

There can also be multiple predators within a niche

[tulip gyro]

@umbral kite I love you

[light osprey]

Perhaps falcon will break embargo?

[halcyon cobalt]

I feel like sauropods would be very flighty animals tbh

[tough parcel]

Perhaps I should reduce you into a puddle?

[woeful falcon]

For the record, redboss is probably younger fella. Try not to make it weird lol

[pliant cedar]

it was featured in the highly respected jurassic fight club, cementing its place as a dinosaur

[light osprey]

More research is required

[fluid inlet]

Me too

[steady rock]

correct

[pliant cedar]

i mean, maybe, not hyper aggresive, but it probably did lash out at predators that got too close
but a certain size that kinda just becomes a waste of energy, unless being directly hunted

[tough parcel]

Anyways, bla bla "if we remove nanomorphs from the T. rex growth equation, it becomes less of an anomaly compared to Tarbosaurus, but we'll need to wait for a little bit to see how to do so best"

[fluid inlet]

Yea i actually enjoy the conversations, he’s in the right place to get the best information he can receive. All is just a little bit of fun.

[steady rock]

what would've been the closet relative to nanotyrannus if it was real? would it be a Alioramini or whatever their called?

[pliant cedar]

from waht ive seen its easier an alioraminid, an albertosaurine, or a close relative of trex

[little mauve]

Based on Asiatyrannus, a tyrannosaurine outside of alioramini is likely

[tough parcel]

The Asiatyrannosaurines................

[woeful falcon]

Welcome to the family, asiatyrannini

[light osprey]

Perhaps due to its North American location, the nanotyrant belongs to the nanotyrannosaurinae

Consisting of the nanostyrant and stygivenator

[forest minnow]

Can anyone tell me how big edmonto was average and the biggest please

[warped peak]

The time has come for THE EDMONT CHART

#paleontology message

[steady smelt]

They are pretty similar

[zealous ravine]

Good question

[velvet burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sandevistan-stardust-edgerunner-anime-gif-26780640

[fluid inlet]

Can someone please give me a list of the best studied big sauropods I already got

Camarasaurus
Diplodocus
Supersaurus
And dreadnoughtus
Apatosaurus

[pliant cedar]

giraffiatitan?

[steady rock]

apatosaurus or brontosaurus?

[west coral]

Definitely add Omeisaurus, Dicraeosaurus and Amargasaurus

[sterile trail]

Opinions on Nanotyrannus

[tulip gyro]

Don khalia solos

[hallow spear]

nvm not big

[pliant cedar]

prior extinction moderator steg

[mossy oar]

Did shonisaurus really weigh 30 tons?

[fluid inlet]

Is Shunosaurus well studied

[mossy oar]

Tried to look up things about it, didn't find much

Only found one source with a rough size estimate putting it at 8 tons

[wary panther]

I said apatosaurus and you didn't add it smh

[fluid inlet]

My fault, yes apatosaurus getting added!

[wary panther]

Fun fact: If you include Mapusaurus to the Giganotosaurus Average the average becomes significantly less then Tyrannosaurus!👍

[mossy oar]

Wait, what're we talking about rn😵‍💫

[wary panther]

Nothing! its just paleo chat rambling!

[fluid inlet]

Why would you do that tho?

[wary panther]

The span between the 2 is less then 3 million years, its practically the same time Tyrannosaurus existed totatlly

[mossy oar]

Aha

[wary panther]

One may be an extremely close offshoot of the other but I'm doubtful they aren't similar in mass or much anatomically different

[mossy oar]

But it's still classified as a carcharadontosaurid?

[wary panther]

Yes

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236925219_Palaeopathological_Survey_of_a_Population_of_Mapusaurus_Theropoda_Carcharodontosauridae_from_the_Late_Cretaceous_Huincul_Formation_Argentina

Specimens do vary in appearance but the time frame between the 2 could suggest individual variation between Large Carchardontosaurids

[fluid inlet]

That’s still enough of time to have significant changes occur. I just wouldn’t be comfortable lacing mapusaurus into gigantosaurus with how little material there is for gigantosaurus.

https://x.com/starpredator247/status/1855777174109987109?s=46 how accurate is this 🤓

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[wary panther]

They could be true, but the differences could be a minimal as a difference in Skull Morphology instead of mass which is what I'm going for here. Its not as if I'm lacing Meraxs and Carchardontosaurus, these 2 are way closer

[wary panther]

very accurate, and the Tyrannosaur at that size is losing 9.5/10 out of ten

[mossy oar]

Imagine dino sized bugs lol

[wary panther]

There are dino sized bugs

[woeful falcon]

What, giga's got a fairly healthy amount of material, more than mapu if I recall correctly

Horrid description tho

[mossy oar]

Yeah we don't really got a lot on mapu, we only have rough (very rough) size estimates

[wary panther]

We have a decent amount of Mapu from bonebeds

[zealous ravine]

We actually have a lot of giga material, but no one’s actually described it yet so it can’t be studied sadly

[woeful falcon]

Lumping Mapu into Giga doesn't mean it still can't be its own animal. A Giganotosaurus roseae if you will

[fluid inlet]

Looks like I was misinformed

[mossy oar]

Yeah but we still don't really know much about its size, only estimates putting it at 4,7 - 5,9 tons. And that's what we got from using a femur circumference regression, which isn't exactly the most reliable method

[wary panther]

Thats a significantly conservative estimate for Mapu

[mossy oar]

That's from 2006 tho...

[wary panther]

Can I get a study on a 5.9t estimate for Mapu?

[woeful falcon]

Man that says 2019 what

[fluid inlet]

Anyone care to send me the skeletal for all the material we got of gigantosaurus

[wary panther]

Something about theropod femur circumference or density being undervalued or something and like the mass gets bigger? I need a reminder

[wary panther]

2024 and we can't read skeletals 😭 , come on man, 12yos are finally understanding mass estimates

[woeful falcon]

Here's a couple.

As to why they're all a little different: idk garbage descriptioné will do that

But it does show you that it's not just some scraps

[wary panther]

Giganotosaurus was described in the late 20th century; Rex was found in the early 20th Century, and we only have 4 10t individuals, this is going to take a while

[mossy oar]

A, I was looking at the top left😂😂

I'm currently sick and my cognitive functions ain't really functioning

[woeful falcon]

Top left is a citation of Mapu's description paper

[mossy oar]

Yes I know, wasn't thinking straight

[wary panther]

I have to ask if the bertha paper still exist

[mossy oar]

This is a really random question. But do yall think spino was a semi aquatic or terrestrial carnivore (or both). Had a debate against someone who believes spino only hunted on land, and I disagree

[wary panther]

Semi Aquatic

Whatever anyone tells you, ask yourself if Spinosaurus was built to fend off/compete with a similarly sized predator

[woeful falcon]

Most derived member of its family known for their fisher adaptations, I reckon it hung around the water to snatch some fish haha

[fluid inlet]

As far as megatheropods coexisting in the same environments, is Spinosaurus and carcharodontosaurus the only example of that?

[woeful falcon]

Deinocheirus and Tarbosaurus 😄

[warped peak]

Bahariasaurus doing whatever with Spino and Carch too

[mossy oar]

I'm still wondering why reconstructions of spino has such short legs, if it really was a semi aquatic predator, wouldn't it be more plausible if it had long legs? Like sucho

[wary panther]

What size even is Bahariasaurus to be considered in megatheropod range?

[fluid inlet]

Yep , wish sarcosuchus was also in that era would of just made that more interesting

[warped peak]

What do even consider to be megatheropod range?

[wary panther]

Like 3t?

[sterile trail]

Sooooo there were 3 (possibly 4) apex carnivores in the same area

[warped peak]

Then it definitely was a Megatheropod. I think current estimates hover around 3-7 tons based off the fragments we have, but exact affinity is borderline fictional and unknown

[sterile trail]

Why is there no dinosaur called Dinosaurus yet

[mossy oar]

Does anyone have a good explanation as to why spino had such short legs??

[warped peak]

Because Dinosaurus was a Rubidgean and even cooler

[sterile trail]

He was on his way to become W H A L E

[mossy oar]

😂😂

[sterile trail]

Spinofaarus moment

[mossy oar]

Nah but fr, if it was a semi aquatic hunter, why the heck would it have short legs? Wouldn't long legs be more beneficial??

[wary panther]

not really

[mossy oar]

Why?

[warped peak]

Legs are less efficient for swimming than a tail and forelimbs

[wary panther]

Long legs for terrestrial animals to run

[mossy oar]

True, true

[tough parcel]

Long legs = more surface area for drag

[velvet burrow]

Also long limbs create drag

[woeful falcon]

Because its legs were found, and they were short haha.

Sucho doesn't have especially long legs either, not compared to most other theropods.

[wary panther]

Crocodilians, Hippos, besides any member of Ursus have short legs

[woeful falcon]

Whales no longer even have their legs

[wary panther]

We do see a shift in the anatomy of the legs when you look at kaprosuchus or something, but it's a bit more terrestrial

[mossy oar]

Are we assuming that spino had short legs because of its lifestyle or do we have actual evidence?

[tough parcel]

We only have Kapro's skull so Idk what limbs you're talking about

[wary panther]

Have I been mislead? I swear I remember seeing more of it then a skull

[tough parcel]

Blub literally just said the leg material was found and they were short

[woeful falcon]

My man, we've had spino's legs for 10 years

[warped peak]

Personally, I think Spino's lifestyle was more of a wet version of a stork

Instead of flying, it swims across the surface of the water with ease to find ideal fishing grounds, between the tail and the buoyancy, picking off fish in shallower waters, and using its massive sail to intimidate Carch or other threats into not attacks

[velvet burrow]

The mfers Mapusaurus, Taurovenator and Meraxes
(Art by Grasher2002 on tw)

[warped peak]

It goes where it wants, does what it wants, and just chills

[wary panther]

I love seeing a Theropod that's robust (that's not named Rex)

[tough parcel]

The oversized Taruovenator in question

[woeful falcon]

May be thinking of its relative Mahajangasuchus

[velvet burrow]

Wait i'm curious now, would those 3 actually have been contemporaries and overlapped for a significant amount of time? I know they were all found in different layers of the same fm

[mossy oar]

Shi, I apparently can't read. Man I feel lost today lol

[tough parcel]

Dw dw, we all have those days

[wary panther]

I have to be honest I'm just hearing about the family group

[mossy oar]

If height measurements were based on the position of the head instead of the hip, would spino be the tallest carnivorous dino?

[tough parcel]

No

[wary panther]

Would be Giga or Rex

[mossy oar]

Whaaat

[wary panther]

That Spine is misleading you heavily

[mossy oar]

The head isn't that far from the spine tho?

[wary panther]

Grab a Gdi of Rex or Giga, compare it with a up to date skeletal of Spinosaurus, and tell me what you see

[fluid inlet]

This is sick artwork

[woeful falcon]

Man

[mossy oar]

That's not what I meant

[woeful falcon]

Oh I misread lmao. Thought you said not far from the hip

[mossy oar]

Oooh, it's fine😂

[fluid inlet]

Misinformed

[wary panther]

Spino STILL isn't the tallest head height

[mossy oar]

Damn

[warped peak]

Deltadromeus peak

[mossy oar]

Do we have multiple fossil evidence that spino had short legs or are we basing it around one discovery? Read somewhere online that it was based off of one fossil

[wary panther]

Bro.........

[mossy oar]

Ey, I was just asking🤷‍♂️

[wary panther]

We base it off that find and its relatives. The Spinosaurs with "longer" legs aren't even as aquatic as Spinosaurus

[mossy oar]

Tbf spino is still a big mystery. If only those a holes in WWII didn't destroy the most complete fossil of spino we had 😭

[wary panther]

We still know alot about it

[mossy oar]

Alot is a bit of an overstatement

[wary panther]

For a mega theropod its size and that old we know alot

[woeful falcon]

Lot of mysteries about spinosaurus

The length of its legs on the other hand are not one of those

[mossy oar]

😂😂🙏

[wary panther]

I have to ask if we can check the isotopic remains of Spinosaurus to see what it ate

[woeful falcon]

Since 2014, spinosaurus has been reshaped drastically in our minds with discoveries about it, most notably its legs and its tail

[mossy oar]

I just hope we find out more about it, it's my fav theropod

It's so hard to find reliable sources when it comes to paleo when you don't live in the US. Lots of links that are blocked by our government

[fluid inlet]

We know one thing for sure about spinosaurus , it was a dinosaur

[woeful falcon]

Ehhhh idk about this

[mossy oar]

Feels more like a bird to me

[umbral kite]

Is spinosaurus lived in a place that was near Africa or North America and did stay near a coast or a swamp like place and who would win a carch or a spino i think spino if it near water because it would try and drag or push it in the water but if on fry land car h would win

[tough parcel]

Ima be honest, Spino isn't as big of an enigma as people make it out to be

This is an animal which had functionally 0 skeleton until ~2014

Of course we're gonna have a bunch of studies surrounding it going back and forth

[light osprey]

Perhaps the Spinosaurus was late surviving phytosaur

[wary panther]

This is not a channel for AVA debates

[umbral kite]

Wat ava

[mossy oar]

Thank you, couldn't have said it any better

[mossy oar]

Yeah I've seen that pic

[mossy oar]

Would honestly not be suprised if this was true😭🙏

[candid cove]

Dragons confirmed lmao

[tough parcel]

I would be considering the amount of skeleton we have

I posted the colorcoded skeletal for a reason

[wary panther]

Dragons are just pteradons with teeth but alright

[umbral kite]

no dragon are insect wyverns are pterosaurs

[wary panther]

you meant "insects"?

[umbral kite]

wat ava

[candid cove]

Aren't wyverns dragons

[umbral kite]

no a like not the same

[small geyser]

Not the dragon/wyvern topic again…

[umbral kite]

wat is ava

[mossy oar]

They are dragons that got wings that's also functioning as their front limbs. Basically a dragon but without the front limbs

[umbral kite]

there fromt limb are the wings

[wary panther]

I know this might be quite inappropriate to ask but are you 12 or something?

[candid cove]

Ruh roh

[mossy oar]

That's what I said

[umbral kite]

u said they dont have front limb when the front limb are the wings

[mossy oar]

"They are dragons that got wings that's also functioning as their front limbs". The wings aren't actual front limbs bro, they just serve the same purpose when grounded

[small geyser]

Wings in vertebrates are limbs.

[mossy oar]

Limbs yes, but not front limbs, as in it having arms

[woeful falcon]

This is definitely off topic but the wings of wyverns are the front limbs. The flippers of whales are front limbs. An elephant's front legs are its front limbs

Our arms are our front limbs

[small geyser]

Arms and wings are both considered to be front limbs. They share the same skeletal structure but are modified differently.

[mossy oar]

Ok maybe I should've worded that better, I meant dragon but without arms

[umbral kite]

wat is ava

[woeful falcon]

Why do you keep asking that

[mossy oar]

Fr, starting to get a bit annoying

[fluid inlet]

Redboss is back

[small geyser]

Don’t think it’s a question. Just another way of saying whatever

[woeful falcon]

No its a question, and I know the answer but I found it weird that they responded to Limitless asking that

[fluid inlet]

Why are we discussing dragons in paleontology

[small geyser]

Ah. My bad.

[mossy oar]

Someone wanted to know the difference between a wyvern and a dragon

Dragons=arms+legs+wings
Wyverns=legs+wings

[candid cove]

Nuh uh

[fluid inlet]

Tyrannosaurus slayer is here.

[small geyser]

Aaaaanyway, paleontology

[fluid inlet]

Andrewsarchus

[steady rock]

basilosaurus

https://tenor.com/view/basilosaurus-close-up-wlaking-with-beasts-eocene-eoceno-gif-11694647

[woeful falcon]

Fun fact about basilosaurus, there is two species of it and the other one is not as noodly

[fluid inlet]

Actually I change my pick to perucetus

[steady rock]

oh whats its name?

copycat

[fluid inlet]

The people’s champ.

[woeful falcon]

Basilosaurus isis. Still a noodle in its own right but not as noodle

I like basilosaurids

[wary panther]

Horribly large

[fluid inlet]

If perucetus ever has zero fans it’s because I have died. 🐋

[steady rock]

i dont like the tail

[small geyser]

Miracinonyx. Only animal in North America that could keep up with the pronghorn.

[umbral kite]

Wait was spino in North America or in a africa or somewhere around those places

[steady rock]

yes, Montanaspinus

[umbral kite]

😐

this a spino

[steady rock]

yes

[umbral kite]

is this a relative to a spino or is the spino we knew

[steady rock]

close close relative

[umbral kite]

so is this like a tarbosaurus with trex different becuase of environmental adaptation

[steady rock]

yea

[umbral kite]

i cant find a size comparison for them

[mossy oar]

Is that an icthyomimus? Or Irritator?

[steady rock]

i must ascend, goodbye

[umbral kite]

no Montanaspinus

[umbral kite]

bye. Bye

[mossy oar]

That ain't even a real dino

[umbral kite]

idk i looked it up and that wat i got quinnz told me that north america spinosaurus idk really knew

it not a real dinosaurs

[fossil ingot]

Huh??
That exists??
Probably no

[minor thistle]

megatherium (i like big sloths)

[native kindle]

Sivatherium

[hardy sentinel]

What Dromeosaurs are bigger than Deinonychus? (Excluding the BIG raptors like Utahraptor, Achillobator, Austroraptor etc)

[fluid inlet]

The unnamed one

[zinc solstice]

Patagomaia

[velvet burrow]

Based

[hardy sentinel]

Pardon?

[light osprey]

What do you like about this taxon aside from its size

[jagged trellis]

funny haha name

[wind prairie]

it's ok to like it for that. It is a really impressive mammal by mesozoic standards

[lavish frigate]

So what’s the big ankylosaur thing I keep seeing going around? Haven’t seen much about it but my guess off the bat is fragmentary ah remains or like footprints or something lol

[woeful falcon]

fragmentary remains being attributed to a taxon known from even worse remains: teeth

[fluid inlet]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/forget-rex-a-new-type-of-tyrannosaurus-has-been-discovered/ar-AA1tWXgf lol i like the title because usually everyone kissing up to rex... however they still used rex in their title for clicks 😭

[white matrix]

do not commission from this person

[winter thistle]

why?

[frigid delta]

ok i definitely missed so much in here
the hell happened???

[pliant cedar]

hyaenadon

[umbral kite]

yuty is more related to trex than to a utahraptor the. Would be the dinosaur that start to devolop in to bird also in the articule it said yuty was the biggest theropod and i dont really belove that but is it true

https://www.amnh.org/explore/news-blogs/on-exhibit-posts/get-to-know-a-dino-yutyrannus-huali#:~:text=The first fossil of Yutyrannus,the feathers of modern birds.

[west coral]

It’s the biggest confirmed feathered theropod

[sterile trail]

If you could have a dinosaur as a pet, what would it be? I'll go first:

Either Yutyrannus or Allosaurus

[sterile trail]

Next thing we know we find evidence of a feathered Tyrannosaurus

[marsh field]

Triceratops

[sterile trail]

Good luck having a 7 ton lawnmower

[boreal cobalt]

Hi

[sterile trail]

Sure, id have a carnivore that would probably eat me if it has the chance BUT I LOVE THEM

[boreal cobalt]

Hi

[sterile trail]

Hi

[boreal cobalt]

You ok

[marsh field]

Just need some acres for it to graze, ez

[sterile trail]

True, I just need to buy like 500 kg of food a day

[marsh field]

Science, give me my triceratops

[sterile trail]

I R E Q U I R E Y U T Y

[umbral kite]

para or tarbo

[tulip dove]

Prob couldn't be a big one
So some sort of small ornithopod or a dromaeosaurid
Psittaco, Dryo, Microraptor or Velociraptor would prob be my choices

But if I had tons and I mean TONS of resources avaiable, then some gigantic sauropod

Like Brachiosaurus

[sterile trail]

Dude, all you need are some trees and there you go, Brachi food

Being honest, where I live would be a Sauropod buffet

[static stirrup]

any pachycephalosaurid because i need to know how they behaved

[tulip dove]

Would they be able to eat broad leafed trees tho
Since afaik, they didn't eat any of that stuff

[tough parcel]

Sounds like they need to broaden their diet

[stiff estuary]

Hello, working on a sub-adult Tyrannosaurus running animation. How does this look? I know adults probably couldn't properly run but I figured something like this could be reasonable for a sub-adult?

[white matrix]

admitted to plagiarism multiple times and has been ignoring my messages for the last couple of months

[umbral kite]

guys do u think if a raptor were like ravens and where smart

[warped peak]

"Ubirajara"

Fuzzy little buddy, at a reasonable size to keep and maintain

[indigo cradle]

I always thing Moros but it might be a tad too big
Unless it's JW moros

Sinosauropteryx could be cute

[forest minnow]

Can Anyone tell me the bite force of mosa and or Tylo

[umbral kite]

Searched 3 sites
“estimated bite force of Mosasaurus and Tylosaurus”
bing.com

A-Z Animals — Mosasaurus vs Megalodon: Who Would Win In A Fight? - A-Z Animals
a-z-animals.com

Discover Magazine — The Megalodon's Forceful Bite Was 10 Times More Powerful Than a Great White Shark's | Discover Magazine
discovermagazine.com

Dino Digest — Liopleurodon Vs. Mosasaurus: Underwater Predators
dinodigest.com
The bite force of Mosasaurus is estimated at around 16,000 pounds per square inch (psi), which is comparable to some of the strongest modern predators, giving it a powerful advantage for hunting large prey in the Late Cretaceous seas. By comparison, Liopleurodon, another large marine reptile from an earlier period, had a bite force closer to 7,700 psi—about half of Mosasaurus's force but still very powerful. This difference reflects their adaptations for different hunting strategies and prey sizes, with Mosasaurus relying more on brute force to catch and crush its food, while Liopleurodon, though smaller, was highly maneuverable and had a strong sense of smell to detect prey from afar.

You can find more detailed comparisons and background information on these reptiles at sources like Dino Digest and Earth Archives. Here are links to further details:

DINO DIGEST
ps:​
A-Z ANIMALS
hives on ancient marine reptile bite forces](https://a-z-animals.com/blog/mosasaurus-vs-megalodon-who-would-win-in-a-fight/) Look it up if u dont belive it idk really knew

[prime burrow]

Bot reply

[pliant cedar]

parrot

[umbral kite]

if i really has to be realist i chose deinonychus

[wraith kindle]

Weird armpit quills though?

[tough parcel]

That's what the fossil indicates

[wraith kindle]

Sexual selection be weird sometimes.

[umbral kite]

if males fought for females what would that look like just a pure fight or would i be like a king cobra thing where it a chest pushing thing or is it looks like how would sauropods act

[wraith kindle]

Possibly necking, which is what giraffes do?

[tough parcel]

No, they wouldn't because giraffe skulls are reinforced to do so

Sauropod skulls were not

[umbral kite]

So what would they do huh

[tough parcel]

Prehistoric Planet minus the neck balloons

[umbral kite]

do u think they theri or theropod that are like theri (dont knew the name ) fight and like kicking or biting

[wraith kindle]

I thought it was just slapping each others necks.

Anyways, don’t some sauropods have spiky feet or something? Those that could rear up could have fought using those.

Theres a lot of room for interpretation here, they could have involved some sort of shoving or pushing fights, but theres probably a lot of display too.

[next moss]

https://tenor.com/view/therizinosaurus-path-of-titans-dinosaur-claws-slash-gif-15015032799694314143

[umbral kite]

oh a theri that just want to dap me up wat thr worst that can happen

[wraith kindle]

Dap you up? What does that mean?

[minor thistle]

you don’t know what dapping someone up is???? google it lol

[wraith kindle]

Even if theris claws weren’t built for combat, I still wouldn’t want to get swiped by those.

[minor thistle]

its like to the same effect as a handshake kinda

[umbral kite]

it lile high fiving some one

[forest minnow]

Chat is this real cause 16,000 psi is crazy

[tough parcel]

Considering it's from a website named "A-Z animals" and a MosaVSMegalodon post, I doubt it

[river plinth]

You think dinosaurs got silly with each other or with other species when they were yong ? Like how a group of friends fool around causing trouble or habg out in there high-school years?

[stiff osprey]

PSI is a dumb measurement because it depends on the shape and number of the teeth more than the force of the jaw

[wary heath]

How would desmostylians have walked?

[river plinth]

Which dinosaur you think would have been as heartless as dolphins

[wraith kindle]

They'd have to actually in contact with one another and in the wild, that almost never happens. Interspecies friendships do happen though

Whether dinosaurs did mammalian level play is unknown though. Raptors are sometimes depicted that way and the more social dinos could have engaged in some level.

[wary heath]

Heartless to others or their own kind?

Honestly I'd say therizinosaurs would've been hostile to everything, even their own kind.

[indigo cradle]

Large herbivores be like that

[umbral kite]

idk i just use chat gpt and made it find website just check if u want idk

also wat chade is theri is theri in not theropod but i forgot what it in also i it in the same clade as struthi

[fluid inlet]

Someone dap me up

[umbral kite]

Ok

[wary junco]

ChatGPT isn't a good way to get answers for things like this... people are using it like it's a search engine but its only job is to generate an answer to a prompt. It's incapable of fact checking anything, so it could return with a whole lot of nonsense and it wouldn't know any different. It also can't distinguish between sources because to answer a question like the one above you really want to be reading scientific literature, but ChatGPT has just drawn from random media sites that are rarely up to date or have correct information.

[umbral kite]

yea i did and a common answer was 13k-16k psi and i said check or verify it becuase it was ai

but i dont really knew of psi is a good way to check how atrong a bite force is because it said a piranha bite for was 20k so

[umbral kite]

art by who

[fluid inlet]

David Bonadonna

[wary junco]

wait so let me get this right, you asked an AI to fact check itself?

[umbral kite]

no u should alway check of the ai is wrong but the so far the bite for. Mosa that was 16k psi through multiple sites

[wary junco]

alternatively skip out of the AI step and just read the information yourself? 😛

[keen forum]

whyyyyyyy

[umbral kite]

guys do u knew what the food trigle is i forgot what it is it call but primary consumer are at the bottom and apex consumer at the top but there are alway mor primary consumer then the one on top so and so on and so forth so in a eniverment would there be a at least a small 1million small herb and a apex would have a population of 50 in a area

[umbral kite]

the reason i use used ai becuase it just gave me the info and the site and then i just facted checked it also ai just gave me the same results but with site woth the info just the same thing but with multiple site backing it up it the smae thing basically

plus i really dont care how u find information just that u fact check the information

[wary junco]

my point is, if you have to put effort into checking if the answer the AI generated is correct by reading around, you could save time by skipping the AI step and just reading around to start with 🤷 plus the websites that the AI is sourcing from generally aren't the most informed and aren't the place you want to get information from, if you want reliable answers you go to a reliable source like peer-reviewed papers

[sterile trail]

I despise AI

[umbral kite]

ai is a tool that it use it like a tool not to do ur job

[outer tusk]

What

[elfin pulsar]

The best source is reading yourself on trusted sources

It’s really easy and you don’t have anything misinterpreted with text from ai 👍

[umbral kite]

also how come there is app or just a true website with a bunch of facted check or even paleontolist check verifying information as will like just a think that may update every month an just as facts or ecology theorys and facted based from a bunch of check and verified info about the dino in one website and if u have a question it could be asked and u get a answer within a day pr two by gather info i feel like that has some much potential

guys how trusted is https://dinosaurpictures.org

[static stirrup]

Has some good pictures but wouldn't say its 100% accurate (their dromieceiomimus)

[umbral kite]

what a good website that more than roght or accurate 75% of the time

[light osprey]

That is quite a lovely piece though

[wind prairie]

literally what basis does that have
I'm pretty sure there's evidence against this, I think there is a therizinosaur nesting colony iirc?

and I don't think dinosaurs were in a particularly large amount of interspecies relationships, this isn't land before time

[static stirrup]

From what I can see that website is overall accurate, but it def has some bad ones

[umbral kite]

See when it come to large apex theropod i feel they didnt have pack or hers because sush would be tomany large month to feed and protect and cause to may problems but a pair and some offspring they have a good amount and most of the offspring may die so it would have a good poplation plus it not like a large group of raptors to take a large prey they have food for at least 6 raptor but a large prey for a theropod trex would probably only feed 2 and some children so having a large group of them would most like be bad for them

[halcyon cobalt]

therizinosaurus is a therizinosaur ( used to be called segnosaur ) which is in maniraptora which is in coelurosauria

[umbral kite]

thx

[static stirrup]

I agree that the art is beautiful, just not the most up to date one

[halcyon cobalt]

ornithomimids, dromeosaurs and birds are also maniraptors

[umbral kite]

also do u think we could domsicate smale theropods or hadrosaurs like deinoychus or a dryo as a pet

[wind prairie]

"too many large mouths too feed" well that didn't stop the several other huge animals that group up.
Elephants and their extinct relatives, centrosaurines, hadrosaurs, etc. etc.

not to mention there was usually no shortage of plants where therizinosaurs lived

[halcyon cobalt]

probably but it would be pretty difficult. tmk only placental mammals have been domesticated to the point of dogs, horses etc

[static stirrup]

don't hens count as domesticated?

[halcyon cobalt]

they aren’t really much use beyond food though

[cloud dagger]

Rock pigeons were domesticated

[halcyon cobalt]

oh right I forgot abt the messenger pigeons

[static stirrup]

true but they are still technically domesticated no?

[halcyon cobalt]

yup

[umbral kite]

and a other reason is if a large theropod like a trex has a colony of then would a other trex would be happy to have a free meal of baby rex chicks to eat plus dinos liek theri and deinochues maybe but it would have to be more of the eniverment of the animal in i

[static stirrup]

How much do we know about dinosaur reproduction cause I feel like that has the answer

[halcyon cobalt]

we know what kinds of eggs different dinosaur groups laid ( soft and hard )

[static stirrup]

gonna need to write that down, however is there anything about like the time it takes for the eggs to form or anything similar to that?
iirc thats very important when it comes to domestication

[stiff osprey]

Dinosaur eggs would take a very long time to incubate, up to 3 months for the largest species iirc

[zealous ravine]

Worth pointing out therizinosaurs and ornithomimids (including deinocheirus) were herbivores so that wouldn’t really apply to them even if it were a valid issue

Also could you please take the time to edit your messages and make them easy to read? It’s incredibly difficult to try and figure out what you’re trying to say

[umbral kite]

see saurpods laid a lot of eggs and had lot of kid to make sure they had a enought to make sure they survived some saurpod youngling didn’t survive to adult hood and had a small herd in general feed a good amount stabilitizing the eniverment. Now if a group of saurpod that had as much as a bull herd do u think there be enough food for all of those them no and hadrosaur and theropod have the same logic to it

[outer tusk]

what

[zealous ravine]

Except we know for a fact that many hadrosaurs and sauropods lived in massive herds. Some with possibly over 100 individuals

[halcyon cobalt]

also the term “bull” isn’t really applicable to most dinosaurs since we know very little about their behaviour

[zealous ravine]

Yes herd sizes are constrained by food availability, but the Cretaceous was in general an incredibly lush place with quite a lot of available food. Not to mention animals like bison used to, before Europeans began hunting all of them, form massive herds hundreds strong in the relatively arid plains of NA

The only argument I can possibly think of for therizinosaurs having small groups is that their closest modern analogues, ground sloths, tmk didn’t form large groups. But even then it’s not a very strong argument

I genuinely have no idea what you’re saying. Please write in proper sentences. Please.

[light osprey]

Although it has no bearing on gregarious behaviour for Therizinosaurs, most of them lived in either relatively cold, arid, or seasonal environments thus access to vegetation would have definitely fluctuated in these environments

[umbral kite]

ok the conditions would have to be good for a large group to survive

[zealous ravine]

In all likelihood yes, but we really just don’t know. They could have lived in small groups, they could have lived in big groups, they could have lived alone, we just don’t know

[tough parcel]

The Sue bonebed in question

The Albertosaurus bonebed in question

[warped peak]

Wasn't there a massive Allo bonebed?

[tough parcel]

Cleveland-Lloyd is a dried lake durign a drought iirc

[zealous ravine]

I wouldn’t be surprised if allosaurus was relatively social but I don’t think we have much evidence one way or the other

[compact leaf]

it is yeah

[umbral kite]

so u think raptor or ceratopsain where more social

[stiff osprey]

ceratopsians were absolutely more social than raptors

[zealous ravine]

For sure, as a rule herbivores are generally more social than carnivores. And ceratopsians in particular are known to be highly social

[outer tusk]

200 god-damn

[zealous ravine]

I find that highly suspect tbh, I’d like to see more context

[static stirrup]

I mean I could see it if it was a hyena type clan

[velvet burrow]

Mind you there's way more evidence for social behavior on large predators (Mapusaurus, Albertosaurus, Daspletosaurus for example) than on dromaeosaurids

A trend that's also seen today. Most pack animals you can think of are top order predators rather than smaller ones (worth noting that trend≠rule, and that i might be wrong)

[tulip gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035562174472536124/1269750741564919929/IMG_1628.gif

[fluid inlet]

Merab sons

[pliant cedar]

domestic ball pythons are very tame, but they are reptiles so we dont truly know whats going on up there

[umbral kite]

is it true that spino and carch where in the same eniverment do u think they fought and if they did i say spino would win but it would be under some conditions like spino would win only by dragging or pushing the carch in water but in a normal fight carch wins

[zealous ravine]

Ok so, carch and spino coexisted yes, but they have no reason to fight each other. What would they gain? They inhabit different parts of the environment and fulfill different niches so conflict seems unlikely

[umbral kite]

True but it was likly but in general spino may lose any incounter or they would good away or try to scare of one from the other territory beciase it would want a apex like that near it

also they probably avoid or do some type of intimidation to scare them off to avoid actually conflict becuase that inst a fight they would really want

[wary panther]

Is SpinoInWonderland good for skeletals or nah? he seems to have become a bit bias over the past couple months

[woeful falcon]

Tbh, when it comes to his stuff, it's usually a skeletal of an animal already done by Random, Hartman or Dan, so then I just stick to them

[compact leaf]

as long as it’s recent SIW does nice work

[hallow spear]

^

[wary panther]

Alright thanks

[umbral kite]

Guys is it true that .8 % of any population of species yhe there were some that grow twice as large

[woeful falcon]

If I said no would you believe me

[umbral kite]

not really becuase there some that grow larger than it regular size but i don really knew

[warped peak]

Why ask a question if you're not going to believe the answer

[tough parcel]

🥀

[umbral kite]

if i ask question it more of a very complex question like if i just want to knew what the biggest ankyariad was i look that up but when it come to this i ask question i can get from easy search on google

[wary heath]

How would desmostylians have walked given their weird posture

[umbral kite]

maybe by crawling very slowy

or like a hippo but more awkward

[warped peak]

I'm pretty sure they weren't able to walk on land actually

[wary heath]

They quite literally had fully fledged arms and legs so they probably did.

[woeful falcon]

So does nothosaurus, and yetttt lol

[umbral kite]

look would this thing ever cause u bodily harm

[wary panther]

Not really, with flimsly teeth like that I would be stupid not to just body the thing with a bat

[wary junco]

Yes, quite easily?... it may have more gracile teeth than say, monitor lizards (I don't recommend looking up the aftermath of a monitor bite) but so do things like moray eels and I'm still not putting my hand anywhere near their mouths 😂 and when you then consider that the larger species were getting to the size of some saltwater crocodiles, not something to mess with

[sullen cairn]

oh huh apparently there's a novel parasaurolophin in the oldman formation

tehee

[west coral]

Oh boy I sure do love generic campanian canadian formation

[zealous ravine]

No because size variation depends on the species

[umbral kite]

guys do u think most dinosaur had vemon or bacteria fulled teeth

[thorn grove]

Neither?

[woeful falcon]

Venomous

[fluid inlet]

Me looks up the aftermath of a monitor bite , can be worse than the aftermath of a cookie cutter shark bite

[umbral kite]

whos that dinosaur a tryanntarid of some kind

[tough parcel]

Adult Nanotyrannus

You can see where the researcher is pointing out the placement of the venom sacs to their two subordinates

[woeful falcon]

Never seen a person who likes dinosaurs not know what that dinosaur is.

[umbral kite]

i dont recognize fossil off the back of my mind ok

[woeful falcon]

Not to sound aggro but I'm sure I can show pretty much anyone that skeleton and they'd be able to know that one, even if they don't know dinosaurs much

Mainly bc its the only dinosaur everyone knows lol

[fluid inlet]

Suchomimus my beloved

[woeful falcon]

Truuuuue

[wind prairie]

^^
like that is so obviously a coelophysis skeleton

[warped peak]

And yet all their fossils are known from open water environments/submerged shorelines

[wind prairie]

wait we don't think desmostylians walked? at all?
I thought they were just kinda bad at it like seals lol

[warped peak]

Currently, it's only supported for a specific smaller genus, the others didn't have the required rib strength for land movement supposedly

[wind prairie]

which genus?

[warped peak]

Desmostylus itself actually

Neo and Paleoparadoxia both failed the test

[wind prairie]

interesting

[warped peak]

Honestly i much prefer the idea of them awkwardly shuffling around on land, and Paleoparadoxia is in my 5 favorite herbivores list

[wary heath]

Desmostylians are very underrepresented in general in media.

[warped peak]

You'd think people would love funny marine Hippo things

[wary heath]

But then you realize they aren't even related to hippos and they are their own thing.

[wind prairie]

I can't think of a single occurrence of desmostylians appearing in media. At least, no good media lol

[warped peak]

I love the freak. If I was better at modeling fat, I'd give it a try

[wind prairie]

I don't even think of them as hippos they're just whimsical silly sea creatures

[wary heath]

Definitely very unique.

[warped peak]

Reaching up to nearly 4 tons

[wind prairie]

don't they have actual evidence for being outcompeted by sirenians

[wind prairie]

WHAT!?!?

[wary heath]

I don't see how that would be the case.

[wind prairie]

I do. They fed on the same thing lol

[warped peak]

Lemme find the source

[wary heath]

Sure but did they even live in the same waters?

[wind prairie]

yes

[wary heath]

I also find it interesting that these creatures lived in saltwater, not freshwater.

[wind prairie]

we lost a silly creature only for another silly creature to replace it

[wary heath]

How would they have stayed hydrated though living in saltwater.

[wind prairie]

the same way every other saltwater animal does???

[warped peak]

I was a bit off, been a while sorry

[cinder ether]

Question for the hardcore paleos, are dinosaur babies still considered ‘chicks’

[wind prairie]

it's good lol, I thought that sounded off

[wary heath]

That doesn't answer my question.

[warped peak]

Fun fact, it lived with Pontolis, a pinniped of also about 3.5 tons

But yeah 3200kg is still COLOSSAL

[wind prairie]

that is completely subjective.

and yes it does answer your question gwas. Specialized kidneys that prioritize getting rid of salt + expelling it manually

[wary heath]

Now it answers my question.

[wind prairie]

99% of marine tetrapods do it the same way afaik
I don't see why desmostylia would differentiate

[wary heath]

So would sirenians have eaten everything the desmostylians have ate leaving them starving?

[warped peak]

But man I love that fat blob

Things name is Ancient Paradox, how cool is that

[wind prairie]

from what I know they might've just been more efficient at harvesting it?

[woeful falcon]

I imagine you'll see "hatchling, immature, juvenile, etc" used for baby dinos over chick usually, and chick, when used, probably would refer to specific theropods

[warped peak]

From what I've seen, they were worse at being aquatic but still unable to go on land, while being less efficient at feeding on marine plants, overall being just worse as a whole

[wary heath]

I think they would've at least been able to sleep on shore.

[wind prairie]

yeah kinda sad this is the one time the narrative of an animal group outcompeting another is actually true

another group people should appreciate more

[umbral kite]

they look likethere anklysairid but with flat osteoderms

[wind prairie]

they're more than that to me

[umbral kite]

are they related then

[wind prairie]

not even close. Ankylosaurs are dinosaurs, aetosaurs are pseudosuchians
where ankylosaurs had bare bellies, aetosaurs DID have armor underneath them. There was also a carnivorous member, neoaetosauroides

[wary junco]

Typothorax going so far as to evolve spikes around the cloaca too 😛 aetosaurs are great, and as much as I love Desmatosuchus I wish people paid attention to other members of the group too

[umbral kite]

If large pterosaur where alive to day do u think they would hunt humans

[umbral kite]

wait i thought bird inly had closcas

[wary junco]

no, birds are far from the only animals to have cloacas

[wind prairie]

wait what that is nasty lol, those predators must've really put the pressure on them
also yeah I'd say most animals have cloacas.

[wind prairie]

eh maybe hatz but probably none of the others

[umbral kite]

what about quetz

[wary junco]

yep, not sure what kind of selection pressure ends up with cloaca spikes 😛 and yeah cloacas are found in most vertebrates that aren't placental mammals

[wind prairie]

probably not, the neck is too spindly. It hunted small prey

[umbral kite]

with if it hunted thing that where human size but just ripes parts off

[sullen cairn]

braincase slightly larger than walkeri type, billions rejoice

[warped peak]

Then it's spindly neck would be an even bigger problem

[wind prairie]

a human is like half the weight of quetz. I think quetz could hunt a person but it wouldn't be optimal at all

[hallow spear]

Why it look so… different

[sullen cairn]

it has sad stupid crest because the paper vaugely implies juvenile parasaurolophus crests might reflect the more basal condition

[hallow spear]

But that ain’t look like a juvenile buddy

[outer tusk]

no it's a fetus

[tall prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-cry-one-piece-mid-mid-piece-one-mid-gif-3938984731501782050

[sullen cairn]

well its not identical cause that'd just be boring

[outer tusk]

it's adult size is bigger then Zilla form Godzilla 1998

[tall prawn]

does anyone know what species is NMMNH 26083 assigned to

[umbral kite]

so am i getting the wrong information

[tall prawn]

cuz ur using google

[sullen cairn]

like is this really that absurd speculation

[outer tusk]

allosaurus

[umbral kite]

what should i use then

[outer tusk]

google scholars for starters

btw table you saw my acro I did

[sullen cairn]

i think so

[umbral kite]

it say it weights 250kg

[tall prawn]

i tried it didnt work for me

[outer tusk]

you weren't trying hard enough

[tall prawn]

gimme link pls

[outer tusk]

what link just search it up yourself

[umbral kite]

https://scholar.google.com

[hallow spear]

I’ve literally told you multiple times, it’s Allosaurus

[tall prawn]

IK THAT I ASKED WHAT FOOKING SPECIES

[hallow spear]

And I’ve said, multiple times it’s referred to Allosaurus sp. And Allosaurus fragilis

[tall prawn]

alr im gonna use it as fragilis

[outer tusk]

it's just sad how many times he seemingly forget the most simplest responses sometimes

[tall prawn]

dude i have a fooking exam tomorrow of where i have to study for biology 😭 + i have to memorize a shi load to pass

[outer tusk]

dawg what does that have to do what stego said, multiple times and espeically in this server alongside theropoda he mentioned what in 26083 is classified as and if not that it's either epanterias or saurophaganax

you having a exam is on you if you can't memorize information you think you should actually takes note of then idk what to tell you but you're lost cause

[jagged trellis]

ladies ladies
how long did the chad chasmosaurus exist for again

[outer tusk]

died

[wary heath]

How many dinosaurs have now been classified as a dubious genus?

[tacit pine]

Gl

[wind prairie]

quizlet

[drifting knoll]

He is ‘stiff lizard great belly’ and he is my spirit animal

[velvet burrow]

Wait this is an interesting idea actually. Like, both the throat and stomach would be too small to swallow anything roughly human sized (iirc there was an SVP abstract from a paper suggesting it mainly preyed on 5 to 7kg stuff).
Now, what if large azhdarchids (not named Hatzegopteryx) did hunt slightly larger game but instead of eating it whole were pickier and only ate some specific parts/organs?

[steady rock]

how accurate is the new silesaurus critter being added to PoT?

[wind prairie]

I wonder if rex dreamed about chasing edmontosaurus in its sleep

[steady rock]

do u think the kid is okay

[wind prairie]

prob

[gray herald]

do we know if they had the capability of dreaming on the same level we do

[woeful falcon]

There's a lot of things we don't know and can't know

[wary heath]

Were there have been dinosaurs that were just naturally rare?

[fluid inlet]

Bro I feel like y’all be trolling with some of these questions

[wary heath]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

Don't gotta be a paleo snob

[fluid inlet]

Fair play I just read it and was like what 🤣

[frigid delta]

how hard exactly fossil cleaning does?

[frigid delta]

dramatic 😒

[pliant cedar]

what if the strong neck was for ripping apart its prey into smaller chunks it could swallow

[lethal blade]

?????

[umbral kite]

yea what if quetz just grabbed babys or thing like dryo and dropped it on its head or spear it body or slammed it in the ground

[outer tusk]

It would most certainly just shallow animal small enough it can be our without choking, spearing or slamming it's prey in the ground would be too much work

[wary panther]

Did quetz coexist with Dryo? No?

[sterile trail]

No, they were millions of years apart. Dryo was in the Late Jurassic while Quetz was in the very end of the Late Cretaceous

[drowsy narwhal]

Probably, yeah. Sauropods in their youth were likely easy pickings for predators, and any that couldn’t meet their insane dietary needs likely never made it to adulthood. Truly enormous sauropods, amongst other herbivores[but not all!], were probably rare amongst their species, and possibly altogether.

[bitter quest]

Does anyone have the paper of Ampelosaurus new weight? The 2022 study that was based on MDE-C3-174 femur

[umbral kite]

guys do u think spino may have hunted small herbivores or thing and not just fish because it may have been easier at certain times

[zealous ravine]

I doubt spino would actively hunt herbivores, but I imagine it wouldn’t pass up the chance to scavenge on one if it was already dead

[umbral kite]

also do u think spino killed or fought crocodilian that where in it waters

[crystal dock]

No

[wraith kindle]

I can see younger ones doing that.

[wraith kindle]

I think Dryosaurus was meant as an example here.

[tulip gyro]

C.Acutus solos

[umbral kite]

i looked up but why do u call it c acutus and not just American crocodiles and also where did u get that name from do all animal or dinosaur have that name

also in spinosauris territroy do u think they fought for there territory or they just coexist

[tulip gyro]

I'm to lazy to say American croc. Also c acutus is cooler name

[drifting knoll]

Me and my bf legitimately

[umbral kite]

do all animal have that type of name or what

[drifting knoll]

Yes, Genus followed by species

[tulip gyro]

American croc don't existed while spino did. But if u talk ab spino v spino territory. Idk

[tulip gyro]

It's the scientific name. Crocodilus Acutus, and for alligators (Chinese alligator) it would be Alligator sinensis

[umbral kite]

so if i got this right R.Buteos Is a red tail hawk right

[wary junco]

No, the binomial name for the Red-tailed Hawk is Buteo jamaicensis so the shortening would be B. jamaicensis - the capital letter is the capital of the genus name

[drifting knoll]

AHEM you capitalized the species 🤓

[wraith kindle]

I doubt Spino fought with crocodilians in its territory unless it had to.

[drifting knoll]

Speaking of species name here’s my poorly made anky, please tell me my mistakes

[tulip gyro]

Who even did this rule/thing to capitalize it lol

[wraith kindle]

I mean, it’s not going to go out of its way to get itself injured for no reason.

@tulip gyro Linnaeus (that’s a person btw, even if his name does sound taxonomic)

[tulip gyro]

Just make spino have 1on1 Nile croc behavior

[umbral kite]

so would a para be called P.ornithopod

[wary junco]

No, very much no

[wraith kindle]

Those are utterly different animals with different priorities.

Could check if it did coexist with any large crocodilians.

@umbral kite Orithinopod isn’t a species level name……

[wary junco]

Parasaurolophus is the genus, and then there are multiple species, but an example would be Parasaurolophus walkeri which we would shorten to P. walkeri

[umbral kite]

P.walkeri Then i just looked it up before u typesd

[tulip gyro]

Large crocodylians spawned about 90 or 80 million years ago. Idk

[drifting knoll]

I kid dw

[umbral kite]

E.annectens

is that wat u call edmount annectens

[drifting knoll]

When talking about different species of one genus they shorten the genus because that part will not change when talking about species of that genus, but it’s important to fully write the species as some genus can have hundreds of species

[wraith kindle]

I don’t recall when Spino evolved, but there could still have been some large animals filling the niche? Unless Spino was filling that.

Still, as I said, Spino wouldn’t attack anything large in its territory unless it had to

[tulip gyro]

Basically, it's just a shortcut
Spinosaurus Aegypticus is too long for you to spell or write?

Then you just can Say S.Aegypticus

[wraith kindle]

There’s usually a space between S. and Aegypticus (as an example).

[drifting knoll]

But in general it’s 10x faster to use common names unless talking about a lot of paleontological details

[sullen cairn]

but how can people know that im very smart if i dont call modern animals by their binomials?

[wary junco]

i'm very smart I only call gorillas and iguanas by their genus

[drifting knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/992580372430868521/1158836917073363065/IMG_4705.gif

[wraith kindle]

And rat (black rat specifically I think) is rattus rattus, heh.

[wary junco]

yeah there's a bunch of them haha

[sullen cairn]

who up bison bison bison

[drifting knoll]

Is this relatively accurate? I took a few liberties with the curvature of the tail bc my actual artistic planning was bad and I still wanted the tail visible but otherwise I think it’s decent

[umbral kite]

is a tarbosaurus a tarbosaurus or a tryannasaurus bataar

[sullen cairn]

doesn't really matter

[wraith kindle]

Body seems kinda short, but I can go with visual angle plus the amount of space there being the cause.

[sterile trail]

Tarbosaurus

[drifting knoll]

Yeah my proportions were kinda garbage bc I planned the page poorly

[sterile trail]

There's enough distinctions for it to be a separate genus

[wraith kindle]

Can’t comment on the accuracy of head ornamentation and scutes though.

[drifting knoll]

IAnd the feet

[tulip gyro]

I'm not saying American crocodile if I just can use a shortened version😹🙏

[drifting knoll]

I’m definitely going to do better research next time I didn’t realize till after I drew the head that I totally blew off the fact that we have concrete evidence of the ornamentation of the face

[sterile trail]

Mhm

[umbral kite]

american crocodile aint that long to type though

[tulip gyro]

I'm lazy so it is long to write.

[wraith kindle]

Still, I’d say it’s relatively accurate and you’ve acknowledged it’s a learning process, so, it’s all good I think.

[sullen cairn]

ong fr

[sterile trail]

I will say Croc or Gator any day

[tulip gyro]

W

[sterile trail]

Anyways time for my semi-daily question

What is y'all's opinion on Brontosaurus?

[wraith kindle]

What about it that you want an opinion on?

[sterile trail]

What do y'all think about Brontosaurus

[wary junco]

I've literally published papers on pseudosuchians but my coauthors and I will still just say "crocs" in normal conversations so this is very valid

[umbral kite]

i used to think lil foot was a brontosaurs

[sterile trail]

Do you like it or nah?

[umbral kite]

it ok it look like apato though

[sterile trail]

They're related I'm pretty sure

[compact leaf]

one was sank into the other for decades so yeah they’re related

[umbral kite]

i just realized how large that trex was in land before time it was the same size as a apato

[tulip gyro]

Osama bin Laden

[wraith kindle]

Apatosaurus is kind of an average sauropod isn’t it?

The series also had a brachiosaurus (I think, it was one of those with more upright necks) lone wanderer at one point in the valley.

Anyways, the Rex was definetly oversized for drama.

I think there were feathered raptors at one point? I definitely recall there being raptors of some kind.

[woeful falcon]

I forgot Land Before Time was brought up and was very confused at first

[tulip gyro]

Land before time goated series

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/theeverett1107/status/1857108746687676419?s=46

Everett Mancke (@theeverett1107) on X

Behemoth and the Plunderers:

Triceratops prorsus and Dromaeosauridae indet.

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 5:10 PM

https://x.com/hodarinundu/status/1857117386920645099?s=46

Hodari Shadowalker ❄️🐆 (@HodariNundu) on X

Guys!! GUYS!!!! IT HAPPENED!! JUST LIKE I SAID IT WOULD EVENTUALLY!! A FROZEN MUMMIFIED SABERCAT HAS BEEN FOUND! HOMOTHERIUM CUB FROM YAKUTIA!!!! WHAAAAAT!!!!!https://t.co/FeDJ0lejXR

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 5:44 PM

[woeful falcon]

the prophecy has been fulfilled

[indigo cradle]

Was only a matter of time

[warped peak]

We did it boys

[pliant cedar]

yeah bro, all these mfs acting like a bunch of ovis ares

[indigo cradle]

I'd rather we all use colloquialisms like normal humans

[pliant cedar]

good news

[wary heath]

Why does prehistoric planet have so many unnamed dinosaurs

[warped peak]

Wonder what the use of such massive toe beans was

[pliant cedar]

some of the popular ones didnt need introduction, the others were probably just not the focus and werent described in show

[wraith kindle]

Well, it’s a kitten…

[warped peak]

So is the comparison. Those are toes from a lion kitten

[pliant cedar]

grip
homotherium was more cursorial than other large cats iirc, the big toe beans would be good for grip

[wary heath]

But it's like they intentionally avoided saying their actual name.

Instead of saying "anadontasaurus" they just kept saying "this ankylosaur"

[pliant cedar]

i mean, you are more likely to remember, an ankylosaur, vs anodontosaurus
the only ankylosaur most people have heard of is ankylosaurus, so saying random genera that arent going to be majorly focused on is going to be a waste of time

tarchia is an exception cause iirc it a decent amount of scren time

[wary heath]

It's like a national geographic calling a pride of lions "this group of large cats"

[wary heath]

I disagree, because they also mention other obscure ankylosaurs such as antarctopelta and tarchia. No one has heard of these things.

[tulip gyro]

Deinosuchus riograndensis

[pliant cedar]

i mean yeah they shouldve done, but at the same time its not really that serious, most people who dont care about paleontology arent going to remember the random genus names, so it doesnt do much harm

[umbral kite]

when dealing woth raptor just drop and roll or scrape them pff

[fluid inlet]

lol a triceratops would kill itself drop and rolling

[pliant cedar]

raptors probably wouldnt mess with a fully grown trike in the first place, even in a pack

[fluid inlet]

Probably not but it makes for good artwork.

[pliant cedar]

yeah, hell creek dromaeosaur pack vs subadult trike when???

[umbral kite]

eo or pt

[stiff osprey]

It's more like calling an elephant ''elephant'' instead of ''this Loxodonta africana''. Which is what all documentaries do, no one is going to say the full binomial name when a simplified or common name suffices

[fluid inlet]

What do you mean pt

[pliant cedar]

ohhhh
triceratops

[umbral kite]

there two type or trike so eo or pw idk what its really called

[wary junco]

in some cases (but not all) those were animals whose presence is only speculated, or based on fragmentary remains that weren't described yet (an example being the "Velociraptors" which are basically Velociraptorinae indet., though there are arguments for it being what we now know as Shri) or animals just being non-descript members of a group without being an exact species, like the "elasmosaurs" that journey upriver in one of the freshwater episodes, which aren't based on any one taxon

[small geyser]

No disrespect but its really hard to understand what you are trying to say.

[pliant cedar]

eotriceratops was another genus, I think its a sister genus to triceratops

[umbral kite]

the two type of triceratop in game are eo and pb or pw idk really knew

[tulip gyro]

Yea there is, Triceratops Horridus, the smaller species.
And Triceratops prorsus, the bigger species

[small geyser]

The discussion is not about the playables in the game.

[fluid inlet]

Anyways does anyone own the PNSO Camarasaurus?

[umbral kite]

Eo trike is smaller but larger head Normal trike is larger but smaller head

also was it comfromed if triceratops had quills

[pliant cedar]

smaller members have them, so its speculated
iirc there isnt evidence for it on triceratops itself

[stiff osprey]

Trike most likely didn't have any, we have large sections of skin from its head and body without any quills present

[small geyser]

Isn't psittacosaurus the only one with evidence of quills?

[umbral kite]

is this true

[small geyser]

That is an article from 2010. Its very outdated and bogus. Plus, you shouldn't fully trust the suggested searches and answers Google gives you like that.

[tough parcel]

The first highlight is vaguely correct

Second is not

[wary junco]

hasn't even been a conversation for a loooong time, they aren't synonymous (and even if they were, it'd have been Torosaurus sunk into Triceratops... not the other way around)

[zinc solstice]

Doesn't Archaeoceratops Have Tail Quills On One or Some of its fossils? Didn't Stenopelix also have Quills running down it's back and tail like many heterodontosaur fossils and maybe might have been fluffy as it is a very basal ceratopsian?

[small geyser]

Dunno. Unforunately I am not a paleo nerd

[umbral kite]

So when classifying thing does it go like a branch reptile -> dinosaur -> theropoda-> Ornithopoda-> tyrannaird-> tyrannus-tyrannus rex and that how u classifies dinosaurs right

[zinc solstice]

What's a Orniorapod?

Anyways Is Qantassaurus Having feathers Likely as It lived in a part of Australia that at the time was part of the antarctic circle and It has relatives like Leaellynasaura that most likely had Feathers and was Either Bigger or Smaller? (I don't really know what sizes compared to a human are accurate for Qantassaurus)

[zealous ravine]

No because one: Tarbosaurus is still considered separate from Tyeannosaurus at the moment, and two: you misspelled like half of those, and put ornithopoda in theropoda for some reason lmfao

[zealous ravine]

It would go something like reptilia - ornithodira - dinosauria - saurischia - theropoda - neotheropoda - averostra- tetanurae - coelurosauria - tyrannosauroidea - eutyrannosauria - tyrannosauridae - tyrannosaurinae - tyrannosaurini - Tarbosaurus - T. bataar. But obviously you can be more or less specific if you want

[zealous ravine]

I think in general for small ornithopods we have no reason to think they wouldn’t have feathers, so based on species like kulindadromeus I’d say it’s fairly likely. Worth noting though that while Australia was further south than it was now, the earth back then was much warmer than it is today so it would still be a fairly warm environment. But that doesn’t have a ton of bearing on feathering for smaller species

[pliant cedar]

i mean, if the feathering is sparse it can increase surface area for cooling down

[umbral kite]

ok is this correct Kingdom → Phylum → Class → Order → Family → Genus → Species or is it missing somethings

[zealous ravine]

Not entirely sure, but it’s worth noting that this mainly applies to living species, for things like dinosaurs the distinction between different classifications breaks down a bit, so for example a family can have several smaller families within it

That’s why I prefer to refer to anything outside of genus and species as just a clade, it’s a lot simpler

[wary junco]

it is, in traditional linnaean taxonomical heirarchies, but it's not the most useful system for describing the evolutionary history of taxa so we tend to refer to cladistics instead especially for extinct animals

[pliant cedar]

technically we are all still just a weird group of lobe finned fish

[zealous ravine]

Mhm

[pliant cedar]

which means that the blue whale is the largest fish to ever live

[fluid inlet]

Blue whale is my grandpa

[umbral kite]

my uncle is a elephant

[pliant cedar]

my godfather is a beluga

[sterile trail]

The Torosaurus = Triceratops theory is just one of the complete crap theories that came from a certain person who shall not be named

[pliant cedar]

trex was a scavenger.

[light osprey]

I think it’s very likely. That region during the early Cretaceous fluctuated from boreal to periglacial environments and histological analysis of an Ornithopod femur from that fm indicates they were active year round despite the frigid conditions

[sterile trail]

Ok, time for the meat grinder

[light osprey]

Fairly warm I think is a poor description of the Wonthaggi fm where Qantassaurus comes from. Sedimentary proxies indicate periglacial environments which so far in the geologic record are only associated with extremely cold environments

[sterile trail]

Anyways what do you all think the "Polar Allosaur" was supposed to be in WWD?

[light osprey]

Funnily enough it also comes from the wonthaggi formation. A Megaraptor ankle bone originally referred to allosaurus

[sterile trail]

Oh, that's interesting.

At least we had Koolasuchus from it so that's nice

[covert lintel]

hello chat have you heard about the homotherium cub

[sterile trail]

Yes

[covert lintel]

oh it was already posted
i shall now retreat back into my hole for the coming months. but i'm glad the news has reached here

[sterile trail]

Can we find a 5 Ton Megaraptor already?

Well, another one anyways...

[static stirrup]

I hated that part of it, feels like they said so few names

[zealous ravine]

Fair, it’s absolutely cold, but just probably not to the level of the modern arctic circle

[light osprey]

No it was probably comparable to the modern Arctic circle

Most other papers mentioning periglacial sedimentation from the cenozoic predating the Pleistocene are from the Miocene-Pliocene of Antarctica

[zealous ravine]

Huh, I’ve heard otherwise

[light osprey]

Periglacial environment threshold today usually amounts to an average annual temperature below 0 degrees which do exist today outside of the Arctic circle, it seems the lower end of these climate types tend not to be recorded in the geologic record

[indigo cradle]

Walking on snow

[fluid inlet]

If Google said so it’s legit

[warped peak]

It currently sits as a Rubidgean

[umbral kite]

do u think raptor packs or large herbivore had one lead male like a bull that got all the females

[warped peak]

Raptors have very little evidence if any of pack hunting, but male dominant harems aren't exactly uncommon in the modern world among mammals

[thorn grove]

Dang I wish I was a mammal

[zinc solstice]

Dang I wish I was a Eukaryote

Anyways aside from the random stuff, Could Spinosaurus possibly have hunted smaller Crocodylomorphs like how Those african storks hunt baby crocodiles? That was be Best Modern Animal I could Quickly Think of To use as an Example For Spinosaurus hunting smaller not crocs

[jagged trellis]

dang i wish i was a living thing

[umbral kite]

Maybe but would u go for a babg croc that bearly feed u of go for a large fish that can feed you

[zinc solstice]

I mean Maybe a Very Young Adult Stomatusuchus Or a Older Juvenile/Adolescent Stomatosuchus for an Example?

[fluid inlet]

We would win ( giraffes)

🐐

[umbral kite]

maybe ask @wary junco

[stiff osprey]

There's no reason why it couldn't hunt crocodylomorphs, or any other animal that lived near water and was slow moving on land

well, unless they were giant

[umbral kite]

guys make any dinosaur in a front view and it look like it never cause u bodily harm at all

[umbral kite]

Is this true

[steady rock]

how fast is a giraffe compared to a allosaurus?

[stiff osprey]

Faster

[umbral kite]

I see a giraffe is faster but in a head on fight it lose badly

[zealous ravine]

Possibly, but it’s not certain

I personally wouldn’t be surprised if they had a fan and wings and no body feathers, cause they could help with shading nests and display without impacting heat too much

[fluid inlet]

🤦🏽‍♂️

[umbral kite]

i feel like it missing somethings like TREX or something maybe even quetz could havw been on there

[fluid inlet]

Quetz? No not even close bro.

[warm saddle]

Quetz was only like what 200-250 kg?

[thorn grove]

T. rex is big to be sure but not really a contender for largest non-sauropod. Even the largest individuals we have of it are only really comparable to average-sized Shantungosaurus specimens. As for Quetz, it was tall I guess? By mass it was close to two orders of magnitude smaller than what is shown in the chart.

[wind prairie]

yeah quetz is like human weight lol

[compact leaf]

I wouldn’t call 400-500lbs average human weight

[wind prairie]

ah right I mean that is a little bigger
still a weight attainable by a human

[fluid inlet]

Not really attainable, comparing a predator in its natural environment to a human who is overly obsessed and can not function properly. If a Quetz sat around all day and ate junk 24/7 it could be 900lbs.

[stiff osprey]

funnily enough, so could a human

[rose gate]

https://youtube.com/shorts/rvYzc3HC2Ug?si=SZTrJUGXFfyJv1o6

[wary heath]

What was likely to be the biggest feline?

[white matrix]

They found a Smilodon cub y’all

[compact leaf]

not smilodon, it was homotherium

[white matrix]

Yea mb I just found out💀

Someone told me smilodon lmao idk why

[wary heath]

Both of them are still machairodonts

[alpine zodiac]

arisotnectes is ~10 meters long , right ? or am i crazy

[frigid delta]

https://x.com/GaelCasart/status/1857188517798953447?t=XqAIqJK5wrg7R13Le9TgUw&s=19
not even a single thoughts behind those eyes dawg 💀🙏

Gael casas (@GaelCasart) on X

The last runt

Homotherium latidens cub, based on the recently discovered mummy, man what a finding

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 10:27 PM

[steady rock]

idk why but its making me feel so many emotions, it makes me sad, it makes me happy, i wanna punch it, i wanna hug it, i dont know what to feel

[static stirrup]

Cute aggression

[wind prairie]

acinonyx pleistocaenicus

[wary heath]

A cheetah?

[wind prairie]

it's an extinct species. IIRC it is larger than miracinonyx
(modern cheetah is acinonyx jubatus)

[wary heath]

I was thinking of panthera atrox rather or smilidon

[wind prairie]

those aren't felines

[wary heath]

They are cats.

[wind prairie]

if by "cats" you mean felids, then yes.
felinae is just one subfamily. Panthera atrox comes from pantherinae, and smilodon from machairodontinae

[wary heath]

Yeah I'm talking about the entire felidae family

[wind prairie]

ok if you wanted the largest cat you coulda just said that lol
but I think panthera atrox might be slightly larger than the largest species of smilodon? (smilodon populator)

the ngandong tiger is also close up there too I think

[wary heath]

Also, what do you think desmostylians are related to? Because they seem so different from anything else.

[wind prairie]

I don't think we really know, but they're usually at least in afrotheria

[wary heath]

I know this is an irrelevant question but are you in a prehistoric mammals server by any chance?

[wind prairie]

I mean that's very niche, just general paleo servers though yeah. I like paleostream a lot

lots of helpful cool nerds over there

[wary heath]

I remember being in one that had a few hundred members that was hecka exclusive. Like you could only be invited by someone else in the server.

[wind prairie]

oof. Yeah I've heard of those I think

[wary heath]

And it wasn't some casual server either, I got removed from the server because I wasn't "actively contributing to knowledge'

[wind prairie]

💀 yeah then you probably shouldn't have been there anyways, that's really dumb lol

[wary heath]

It didn't help that I was a Christian either and had some different beliefs so I think that was another reason.

But I still like learning about extinct animals.

[pliant cedar]

w

[wary heath]

How closely related are megatherium and thalassaconus

[frigid delta]

kinda close imo as they're both Megatherioidea that's what i can tell

[sterile trail]

I mean, probably someone featured on My 600 Pound Life would probably come close to their weight, just being honest.

Anyways opinions on Supersaurus?

[tulip dove]

One of my favorite sauropods

[sterile trail]

Yes, quite possibly the longest dinosaur

[umbral kite]

guys do you think non large saurpod stomped or kick to fight thing like a trex stomping something to pin it down

[tacit pine]

Mid

[soft spear]

Add purussauros in game

[umbral kite]

it look like deinosuchus with a rectangle head and is fatter

[umbral kite]

it looks cool and if you get hit by it tail ur getting with a giant wipe

[fossil ingot]

Peak

[fossil ingot]

Its a Caiman vs an Alligaitorid??
Skull is different Enough, doesn't has a Tail as Long too(deinosuchus has a longer tail)
Its Visually different from Deinosuchus

[soft spear]

unlike the sarcosuchos, the purussaurus is an alligator, while the sarco is a gharial... what changes is the bite force of the purussaurus, which is much greater due to the shape of the skull, it's like the difference in the bite between a tyrannosaurus and a spinosaurus due to the way designed to generate more serious and deadly damage.

[white matrix]

Isn't Purussaurus more of a caiman ?

[indigo cradle]

Yes

[tough parcel]

KTO Deinosuchus mod has a variant already that looks great

[scenic flame]

gharial isn't a good analogy for sarco

[umbral kite]

ok what came before a deinosuchu or a sarcosuchu amd who was the better parent

[scenic flame]

we don't know anything about their parental strategies compared to other crocodylomorphs

[warped peak]

I know you're out their SynchroLight

Has the time finally come for the new Aerosteon skeletal?

[kindred night]

It'll be on the ArtStation page once that's all done

[warped peak]

👀 I can't wait

My favorite dinosaur finally getting a new look, tis exciting

[umbral kite]

but we can guess based of there closet relative right so if a deinosuchus is Alligaitorid then they are mostly not Caring mothers and if sarcosuchus was mostly likly related to caime then they may have been very good parent but untill they get to a certain age but that all theory

[scenic flame]

sarco is not closely related to caimens at all, it's outside of Crocodilia

deinosuchus is also a very basal alligatoroid, iirc so basal it was before the split of caimens and alligatorines

[ancient crystal]

My favorite one of these "not a gharial" images is the one with sarco's head lined up next to rex

[wary heath]

Why are some people so obsessed with making every dinosaur covered with fluffy feathers?

Sure I get some therapods and dromeosaurs but making sauropods, ceratopsians, ankylosaurs covered with feathers?

[warped peak]

I dont think I've ever seen a fluffy sauropod or ankylosaur

[wary heath]

Yeah feathers dont belong on them