paleontology

[minor thistle]

Hey so I know liaoningosaurus eating fish was debunked, but is there any other evidence of it being an omnivore?

[stiff osprey]

the crests had keratin sheaths, but regardless they're too thin and fragile to stab or ram things with

[pliant cedar]

fair enough

[bright veldt]

No

[exotic quest]

That is his book size

[frigid delta]

...
wait a minute, WHAT THE HELL?!
https://x.com/Lazokielo/status/1853978593388569002?s=19

Paleo_Lazo (@Lazokielo) on X

MUCHAAAAAACHOOOS DENUEVO #SAUROPHAGANAX VOLVIO, nerfeado pero volvió ALELUYA

Twitter · Nov 6, 2024, 1:51 AM

[bright veldt]

Wait for the paper before making assumptions

[woeful falcon]

Lmao. Random's old allo skeletal with the skull of Big Boi's allo neotype.

Saurophaganax everyone

[tough parcel]

Tbf it's scaled to the neural arch, the only remaining part of the Saurophaganax holotype that's an allosauroid

[woeful falcon]

That's more credit than it still deserves. People seem to like leaping to conclusions

[tough parcel]

If scaled to the neural arch of Saurophaganax, an allosauroid, I would assume using Allosaurus to some extent would be excusable

[woeful falcon]

I'll keep that in mind when problematic taxon stops being problematic. Until then using an old Allosaurus skeletal and swapping out the head for whatever reason (probably bc Big Boi's looks nicer if, not objectively better) and saying "Saurophaganax lives!" is a very amusing look to me.

[tough parcel]

Huh

[outer tusk]

my same reaction "huh"

[woeful falcon]

Idk what's confusing here. Saurophaganax is a sensationalized problematic taxon frequently going back and forth in its validity, including question on whether it is a distinct Allosaurus species or just Allosaurus fragilis. I found it amusing they posted two Allo neotype recons fused into one, scaled it to Saurophaganax size which isn't all that much different than any other allo, and said "ITS BACK" based on one tweet

[light osprey]

Perhaps the diagnostic characters are the friends we’ll make along the way

[outer tusk]

this is not anime, this is real life, kid!

[woeful falcon]

All the while leaving poor gorilla confused 😔 wait for paper

[tough parcel]

I said huh because of this

Saurophaganax LIVES!!!
https://x.com/Fossilcrates/status/1853505831632818683?t=mVazMjj3LFZUF-967FUzag&s=19

Fossil Crates 🦖🦕 (@Fossilcrates) on X

Snax Lives! Snax Lives!

Andy Danison spared #Saurphaganax, keeping the genus, and those animated debates, alive and well!

Andy, Triassic maestro Zeke @raptor_chatter are two of the amazing next-gen paleontologists I had the privilege to hang out with at #Svp2024
#FossilCrates

Twitter · Nov 4, 2024, 6:33 PM

I thought you would’ve known

[woeful falcon]

Ah my b dawg, that is indeed huh worthy

[stiff osprey]

They didn't even scale it to the neural arch properly

I don't think the person who made the tweet actually knows what's going on

[minor thistle]

How plausible is it that Aquilarhinus was semi aquatic

[stiff osprey]

The hadrosaur? Not at all

[minor thistle]

even just a wader?

[light osprey]

Wading for what

[tall prawn]

dont pay attention to it until it gets an actual study

[tough parcel]

Can you cutely do so

[stiff osprey]

No, but suffice to say the preserved part of OMNH 1123 (less than half of the original height) is >20 cm, while the complete vertebrae of an USNM-sized allosaur are ~25cm tall

[tough parcel]

Hm so 2x the size in that image........

[stiff osprey]

Unless the scalebar in the Fossilcrates image is 5cm instead of 10, then it would be USNM sized

[tough parcel]

Do you mean if the bar was 5cm, Sauro would be USNM-sized?

[stiff osprey]

Yes

This one

[tough parcel]

Ah ok ok

[wary fable]

I just watched a chaos theory and I saw the Majungausaurus vs suchomimus fight and wow that was very inaccurate

[manic grail]

Yes that was disappointing. Poor sucho

[zealous ravine]

Lmfao wait you’re right

[sullen cairn]

i still really don't understand the thought process with that tweet

like it can only conceivably make sense in the context that they're running with the most recent murmurs that the holotype is indeed still a theropod, and then removing the rest of the hypodigm including the allosaurid elements, and then proceeding to entirely miscale said holotype

[storm heron]

Saurophaganax, sauropod this, theropod that.

[warped peak]

Magic Chimeric fossils amiright

[white matrix]

Given the Sucho size, maybe a young individual?

[indigo cradle]

Iirc the Majunga is kinda beeg

[woeful falcon]

Not Suchomimus big

[white matrix]

Does anyone know the official size estimate of AK498-V-001?

[indigo cradle]

I mean in CT, it's oversized

[fluid inlet]

Wait so saurophaganax is a theropod again

[white matrix]

In the show both are the same size iirc, well they are at least during their fight, so, trying to make sense of that, maybe it was a young Sucho

[hallow spear]

It’s known that the holotype isn’t the largest specimen of Saurophaganax / referred to it but it’s by no means small

[white matrix]

@frigid delta and @hallow spear , do you trust Molina-Perez and Larramendi?

[frigid delta]

leave me alone with this Sauro thingy mr Stego i regret braggin this ahh with me 😭😭😭

[hallow spear]

I do, but I also think that people make mistakes

[white matrix]

Then @hallow spear , do you know the official size estimate of AK498-V-001?

[hallow spear]

I don’t recognise the species by the specimen, what’s the genus

[white matrix]

The genus (according to the book) is 'cf. Troodon formosus', but I believe 'Troodon' is no longer valid, and should be placed into the genus 'Stenonychosaurus'...

[hallow spear]

If it’s troodon I want nothing to do with that, I have absolutely no god damn clue what happened to troodon nor have I cared to actually see lmao

[white matrix]

According to the book, it said the length was 5.4 metres, and that it was located in more polar regions of the globe; Alaska.

@hallow spear , do you think that is an accurate measurement?

[hallow spear]

Idk

You’d be best asking someone else for this ngl

[white matrix]

Alright, thanks. I will try my best next time. After all, the book was 2019, and I cannot trust Google at all.

[woeful falcon]

Looked up the specimen, it's apparently a tooth

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236632883_On_the_Occurrence_of_Exceptionally_Large_Teeth_of_Troodon_Dinosauria_Saurischia_from_the_Late_Cretaceous_of_Northern_Alaska

[hallow spear]

Lmaoo

[frigid delta]

all of this for a single tooth???
@white matrix u high or what?

[white matrix]

Thanks a lot @woeful falcon .

[white matrix]

No, I am just rather interested in this species these days.

[fossil ingot]

Nah thats is the actual adult
This is one of the few cases a Dino in JP/JW is a bit undersized

[snow python]

What is majunga max size, 8m?

[crystal dock]

There's not max, but the largest is 8 meters

[pliant cedar]

majunga was like 1 tons right

[crystal dock]

990kg-1.5t

[sterile trail]

Sucho was like 10 meters I think

And around... 3 tons?

[frigid delta]

u talkin abt the JW one or the real?
cuz if you're mentioning rl sucho, they're 5.3 tons

[sterile trail]

Oh wow I underestimated sucho then

[fossil ingot]

12m and 5 tons
12.14 and 5.4 tons to be more specific

Majunga and Sucho

[heady girder]

carnotaurus wouldve been a better contender for the sucho, as majunga is the smallest abelisaurus and carno is the for now biggest known abeli.

[fossil ingot]

Here CT Sucho and Majunga official model next to a 1.8m tall human

[fossil ingot]

Majunga is like
3rd Biggest Abelisaurid
Carno is 2nd

Order is
Pycno at 2.5 tons
Carno at 2 tons
Majunga at 1.5 tons

[heady girder]

ahh i see thanks

[fossil ingot]

And CT Sucho technically did fought a Carno back in Season 1
Just a different Sucho

[fossil ingot]

Here Majunga Skeletal

And Carno here

[crystal dock]

This isn't accurate, there is a post of a more accurate size chart

[crystal dock]

Pycnomemo is 3-4.5 tonnes

[bright veldt]

The actual pycno specimen is 2.5-3 tons

[crystal dock]

Pycnomemosaurus

But hey if you wanna be that guy 4.5t is the project adult size

[thick oar]

dont we only have like 4-7 bones of it?

[wary panther]

Food for thought but would the difference between Tyrannosaurus Rex/Mcranceis be similar to a lion and a tiger?

And could they technically reproduce with each other if there happened to be an earlier example of Rex subsiding in the South?

[patent mist]

That would be impossible to determine without genetics or live specimens

Between the time difference, possibly that one might be the other's ancestor and the existence of sturdlefish its not something with a clear or concrete answer

[wary panther]

Thank you Paleop-3606 👍

[warped peak]

I can assure you, a Tyrannosaurus would not be able to reproduce with a tiger

[elfin pulsar]

What

[warped peak]

It appears I misread the question but my statement was factual so I will stand by it

[indigo cradle]

I spit my drink

[light osprey]

Now imagine if it if we stopped using MNHN.MAJ 4

[light osprey]

It’s accurate just a different specimen that it’s scaled to

[fossil ingot]

Random said Pycno is 2.5 tons

[fossil ingot]

Yuh

[fossil ingot]

It been a sub adult completely is still been discussed
Specially cause it been subadult doesn't mean it was gonna grow MUCH larder

[fossil ingot]

Actually its 2.7t

[vast sedge]

it's actually kinda crazy how paleontologists can figure out so much about an animal just from rocks shaped like its bones

[crystal dock]

Oh yeah I know but yeah if that's the case then we could see a revision to pycnomemosaurus

Although Titanovenator is better...

[hallow spear]

rocked shaped like its bone?.. no :Sob: it is actually bone

[vast sedge]

fossils are not bones

When bones get buried, they decompose over millions of years, like all organic matter. What's left behind is a bone-shaped cavity that becomes filled with sediment.
If fossils were real bones, we'd have dinosaur DNA by now lol

[hallow spear]

that isnt.. how it works

how do you think histological studies are formed, determining age of a dinosaur via the BONE cross section and lines of arrested growth INSIDE the bone, "rocks" cannot mimic the internal structure lmfao

@vast sedge

[mighty dagger]

Mineral-rich fluids
Water rich in minerals seeps through the sediment and into the remains.

Mineral replacement
The minerals in the water replace the organic material of the remains, turning them into stone. This process is called permineralization.

[rancid arch]

Next troodon basically.

[hallow spear]

yes it is possible but that is not the only way preservation happens

[rancid arch]

I got a source saying spino is 23 tons, so ima show that and make it true.

[fossil ingot]

I mean
Stego already explained smh
And Stego def knows more than me
And overall, this stuff has always been classifued as BONE
Your source is also just "I learned it in class" smh

[mighty dagger]

No, not all dinosaur fossils are the result of permineralization, but the majority of dinosaur bones are:

So MOST

[vast sedge]

All I'm asking for is more information
I'm not trying to argue I want to learn 💀

[hallow spear]

"fossils are not bone"
its literally not a nitpick either

[fossil ingot]

He says fossils in general
He generalize smh

[hallow spear]

you're not entirely wrong but you specifically said "fossils are not bone" which is an issue to say
Eroh is right though it is most fossils, although ngl i did not know Histologies could be perfvormed on permineralized bones

[mighty dagger]

Yay for learning, that's all nez was asking for.

[vast sedge]

Thank you
I'm genuinely curious, how does the bone not decompose?

[outer tusk]

are we arguing about fossils being bones?

[vast sedge]

it's not supposed to be an argument really
I misspoke and now they won't stop instigating

[bitter oasis]

While i understand how the conversation got to this point, let's please move on and get back on the topic of #paleontology , thank you!

[hallow spear]

ideal conditions in summary, mainly layers of sediment protecting it from decomposing, sand, silt etc

[vast sedge]

hmm I see
Are you okay if I keep asking questions because I don't want it to seem like I'm challenging you

[gentle rampart]

Fast burial in sediment after death, most optimal is that the animal is buried alive in sediment for a better chance of preservation

[umbral kite]

guys wat if the spine on the spino was mire like bison neck an was actually muscle

[gentle rampart]

And preferably in a calm enviroment

[umbral kite]

this is the paleontology chat

[tough parcel]

The muscle scarring does not reach to the end of the spine, only a partial way up

[outer tusk]

^ also god I hate the mentiuoning of bison muscle tissue spino 😭

[sudden wind]

AFAIK, dinosaurs fossils are not organic and therefor not actually "bones" in a proper way.

[fluid inlet]

Puertasaurus cooks argentinosaurus

[umbral kite]

i know it not real but it funny 😀

[outer tusk]

I really don't find it funyn for the solo fact it quite literall undermines everything that goes against not only it's ecology for said structure but it's body and just what it is as animal

[umbral kite]

ok 😐

[umbral kite]

wat is musclr scarring how u knew what the dinosaur look like it how it physical structure was

[halcyon cobalt]

patterns on bone left by the muscle tissue

[umbral kite]

so what do they tell us how it looked or how muscle shaped on and that how u knew a trex bite force is so strong the leg moved like this

[light osprey]

Perhaps the thick bison hump only went halfway up the spines?

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/darkwing-transformers-transformers-one-tfo-tfone-gif-13047384509132823639

[zinc solstice]

Could Glacialisaurus possibly Burrow like some Ground Sloths?

[umbral kite]

so what do they tell us how it looked or how muscle shaped on and that how u knew a trex bite force is so strong the leg moved like this the way it body moved or soemthjg. Is that wat muscle scaring tells us or is it something else

[pliant cedar]

the size of the bone usually correlates with the muscle that was attatched to it, and based on the muscle scarring you can determine how the muscle was attached.
with posture and leg positions iim not really sure

[bright veldt]

https://youtu.be/el97A8PMqbQ?si=joyHaXLObqfXbZbp

A detailed analysis on the ecology of herbivores. Herbivorous dinosaurs are discussed in length so channel appropriate.

[light osprey]

I saw the thumbnail and thought it was about the improbability of giant dinosaurs having green colouration

[wooden venture]

I'm sorry, I'm new using Discord here so I've missed earlier topics. But I'm about dinosaur noices and such, I don't think that birds chirping in the background is the right ambience for this game. I do believe some dinos were able to make bird-like melodic cries (depending the era of course), but I'm pretty sure there were no birds singing. There are very interesting study videos in YT about dino vocalizations, like this channel: https://youtu.be/XcBoY_aEVj8

[lunar copper]

^ this isn't particularly accurate nor based on anything of note
outside of birds being dinosaurs ig

[sterile trail]

Duramboros my beloved

[woeful falcon]

The "study" might as well be fictitious even if the person who made that video says otherwise. It's a nothing video, poorly edited sounds of animals and attributed to certain dinosaurs for whatever reason. For example the Spinosaurus sound is nothing more than a common loon pitched down with some reverb added. Common loons are some of the most distinct sounding birds, very easy to spot of you know their sound

[wooden venture]

All we have are lizards. Crocodiles / alligators make sounds as well (yes, they are lizards)

[sterile trail]

Anyways opinions on Deinosuchus

[tulip gyro]

Goated

[sterile trail]

Yes I love my T. rex sized Gator

[umbral kite]

are sarco sn deino like crocs an alligators

[woeful falcon]

Also crocs and alligators are not lizards

[tulip gyro]

He didn't said they are

[sterile trail]

Lizards are lizards lol

[wooden venture]

I did

[sterile trail]

Controversial statement of the day

[tulip gyro]

Sarco is comparable in looks to gavials, and Deinosuchus is behavioral like estaurine crocodiles, and looking wise like gators. But alligatoroids would work too for deino

[wooden venture]

Also that video is just an example. I'm legit curious what noises dinos made

[lunar copper]

i think we have some evidence of parasaurolophus specifically and some ankylosaur? like a rough idea as to what they sounded like

[sterile trail]

I don't really call Crocodiles, Alligators, Turtles, or just any random reptile a lizard unless it's like one of the house lizards you see in the middle of the night. In short, I just call them reptiles

[tall prawn]

so wait saurophaganax is now either a sauropod or a theropod right?

[sterile trail]

Pinacosaurus :3

[woeful falcon]

My good sir, just wait for the paper to drop

[lunar copper]

the goat 🗣️

[sterile trail]

For now, Saurophaganax is there. It exists

[umbral kite]

are deino look like alligator and sarco lookblike croc

[tulip gyro]

Deino looked like melanosuchus, or alligatorids probably. And sarcos like gavials. (Gharlial and tomistoma)

[bright veldt]

Sarcosuchus is not comparable to gharials in the slightest. It's a very robust pholidosaur whose diet was comparable to any other giant crocodylimorph.

[tulip gyro]

"in looks"

There isn't really any crocodylian alive closer to the visual of a sarco than gavials.
(Personal opinion)

[sterile trail]

This accurate?

[tulip gyro]

Idk, depends on the specimen used probaly

[sterile trail]

true

[stiff osprey]

Pretty much any crocodylian is closer to the visual of a sarco than gharials, people only think this because they only see the skull from the side and think it has thin jaws

[sterile trail]

But no matter what, this image always goes hard

[tulip gyro]

Deinosuchus 8k

[bright veldt]

Yeah it looks more comparable to a thinner-snouted crocodile than any gavialid.

[tulip gyro]

I honestly still think it looks closer. The only thing I could think of is c.intermedius

[stiff osprey]

lemme get a top view comparison

[tulip gyro]

When looking at it, c.acutus don't seems that far away from the looks

[tulip gyro]

Ik how it looks it is mainly the nose bulb for me

[stiff osprey]

yeah the snout being thinner in the middle is basically the only trait shared with gharials

[sterile trail]

The four horsemen of being mistaken for a dinosaur: (In my opinion)

[wooden venture]

Do you have any links? I want to know more

[tulip gyro]

Acutus isn't that far away tbh. If u make the nose bulb a lil bigger, it could look fine

Aside from ostederms

[small rampart]

I need help

[bright veldt]

wrong chat m8

[hasty glen]

Honestly you're spot on. I still see people who can't really tell a pterosaur from a dinosaur

[honest cobalt]

#1150510168073850971

[fossil ingot]

The Deino is to Big
Which Rex is that?

[hallow spear]

It is randoms Scotty and the deino size is dubious but it is not “too big”

[zinc solstice]

Since Nobody Answered I'm going to Guess No it could not.

Also when Qantassaurus was Alive, was Its habitat Cold and Snowy?

[fossil ingot]

Fair
Cause iirc Random said biggest reliable deino is 8 tons and 12m

[tribal trail]

Hello! If you’re experiencing issues with your game please make a post in #1150510168073850971

[warped peak]

The Orinoco Crocodile is probably the closest analogy

[fallen leaf]

Ive been making a list of fossil taxa discovered in alberta since i live there for a whileee now

these are just previews since i dont think you can send links in this server

[daring grotto]

north america 🤝 east asia

absolutely insane with fossils

[gentle pier]

The neverending reconstructions of Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus

[halcyon cobalt]

waow spinosaurus got like 1 extra tail vertebrae this year the shapeshifting dinosaur!!

[umbral kite]

guys do u think that hadrosaurs where like goose an duck an where violent to there mates or very violent in general

[outer tusk]

goose aren't violent to their mates also no

[magic monolith]

You are thinking of ducks

[outer tusk]

regardless hadrosaurs wouldn't fuction like ducks when mating because well they're not birds or waterfowls or just their ecology doesn't require the exact same structure as ducks do or goose for that matter

[umbral kite]

so how would they act

[crystal dock]

They for sure would not acted like goose or ducks

[umbral kite]

y

and also how do we knew what dinosaurs ecology is we didnt live with them or they arent alive so how do really knew how they acted or there relastion with the earth or other dinosaurs

[crystal dock]

By impression and fossils left behind, it's not as hard as people make it out to be

Like ofc we don't know 100% but it's not all of a guessing game when it comes to the ecology of dinosaurs

Also why? Because hadrosaurus don't need to be overly aggressive ( like goose ) or during mating become very aggressive with multiple male ducks piling on one female duck

[umbral kite]

why wouldnt a para of edmont be that aggressive it lived with thing like trex albertsaurs like if it was spooked it would probably be like a buffalo an be very panic when near a predator ornif jait spooked

[warped peak]

Because fighting against a T Rex means you die.

[alpine island]

Edmontosaurus has little in the way of actual defense against an animal that's larger and built to survive via killing it and other herbis

[magic monolith]

Imagine putting the average guy against Mike Tyson
This is that but worse

PRIME Mike Tyson,I should say

[umbral kite]

pray and right ur wil

[warped peak]

It's like asking a random person to fight a Tiger

[honest cobalt]

Jp3 spino been hitting the gym

[indigo cradle]

"little in the way of defense"

A dude 2/3rds my size could fight me off

[tough parcel]

I think people need to realize using us as a stand-in for Tyrannosaurus rex is not valid because last I was aware, we are not built to tackle megafauna

As well as the fact that average Edmontosaurus seems to land within 3-5 tons

Compared to a 7-8t average T. rex, a predator built to tussle with the muscle, its best bet is just to dip

[hallow spear]

to be fair, there is a LOT more sampling data for Edmonto iirc, including the giant 70(?) individual bonebed

[tough parcel]

Can it fight back? Sure, but it isn't the first choice

[tough parcel]

Something something if we ignore Nanotyrannus, Rex average goes higher

[crystal dock]

Concavenator

[hallow spear]

yes but not the point 🤓

[tough parcel]

Nuh uh

[hallow spear]

nuh uh U

[crystal dock]

Hey uh Stego to add would Francopo just be Turisaurus but larger?

Btw is Vulcanodontidae a valid grouping?

[hallow spear]

no clue, its not known from that little material tho

[crystal dock]

Would you say a size estimate of about ~30 tonnes would be reasonable

[hallow spear]

no, way higher

at most mid 50t can be estimated, at least mid 40t iirc was what i got

[crystal dock]

So right now this is my 'Turisauria' tree

Amazonia ( 5t? ) -> Zby ) 25t? ) - Francoposieodon ( ~60t )

[hallow spear]

Amazonia is for sure not 5t

[crystal dock]

Smaller?

[hallow spear]

yeah i would not put this thing over 2t max

Salta is more robust and larger than Amanzia & weighs 3t

[crystal dock]

Alright thanks

Uh for camarasaurus grandis is a mass of 10 tonnes okayish

[hallow spear]

i dont know for that so i cant answer

[sullen cairn]

what kind of sicko incorporates jane into an average rex estimate

[umbral kite]

guys what herb would act like hippo or a bull when it come to being aggressive an not just theri or trike what would act that aggressive

[crystal dock]

Non because these no herbivorous dinosaur like a hippo

[tough parcel]

The old SiW

Unless I am misremembering what they took as "youngest adult"

[crystal dock]

Also Turisaurs are defined by their extremely long legs right?

[tough parcel]

If you absolutely NEED an aggressive herbivore, choose something that had a significant size advantage over the local carnivores

[umbral kite]

so a saurpod

[crystal dock]

What about if the animal lives with multiple predators

[sullen cairn]

i think the smallest individuals even the broader definitions people use of adult still have like 1m femora

[crystal dock]

I personally don't see large sauropods over like 15-20+ tonnes as "aggressive"

Something like brachy could be though

[umbral kite]

what in game a trex to edmont it look like a edmont ann is larger than it

[next moss]

Fr better to just run instead of fighting and risking death

[tough parcel]

You're using Divine Beasts scaling as your source, please rethink this argument

[next moss]

[umbral kite]

no one time i was jumped by to rexs as edmont near one but still lost an it look like edmont ann was bigger than trex in game

[tough parcel]

You're using Divine Beasts scaling as your source, please rethink this argument

[sullen cairn]

i think you have bad eyes and need glasses

[tough parcel]

DB E. annectens is stupidly large so assuming that's correct is so quirku

[umbral kite]

Maybe but still it look like edmont ann was bigger idk really remember but could some find in game size a compare it

[sullen cairn]

it might be an optical illusion
like that yanny and laurel thing

[tough parcel]

Table, we should play Edmontosaurus annectens in hit game Path of Titans so you can see

[umbral kite]

i was full adult an the rex where full or sub

[sullen cairn]

too path too titanic

perhaps the edmontosaurs were the elusive skeletally mature superadults?

[umbral kite]

and i was near full adult an i also couldnt really find it so could some one compare a sub to full grown trex an edmont ann to see the difference

[sullen cairn]

irl it'd look like this for reference

[umbral kite]

yea no way that accurate

[tough parcel]

Table no, this chat isn't capable of reading sarcasm

[umbral kite]

😐

[crystal dock]

Fr like it's obvious he's not being serious

[crystal dock]

Anatosaurus lives on!!

M. Rizky M.

[umbral kite]

this image give me ptsd of my apa

[crystal dock]

Womp womp to your apato

[umbral kite]

🥲

[steady smelt]

Conca

[wind prairie]

I like that we've realized herbivores aren't meatbags but some are taking it too far. Edmonto is cooked against a rex

[steady smelt]

Edmont could still fight off a Rex imo

[fossil ingot]

The average Edmonto likely either died or ran away

[alpine island]

An X-rex sized individual could possibly fight off a rex, a more normal specimen would have to run 99/100 times (the rare 1 time is if it just gets supremely lucky)

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[umbral kite]

ok let a situation here a a very young sub adult very like it just tryed hunting on it own inexperienced rex try to hunt a a juvi edmont an the a full grown bull edmont try to save who would most likly win

[sullen cairn]

Is the edmontosaurus a libra or a capricorn

[umbral kite]

a wat

[crystal dock]

Libra

[umbral kite]

what soes that do with anything

[crystal dock]

You don't know a dinosaur's zodiac sign?

[umbral kite]

y is that needed for this hypothetical situation

[crystal dock]

Because it's more interesting than a repetitive scenario of a prey item trying to survive it's predator

[umbral kite]

that a fair point

[crystal dock]

Am just saying we know at this point that obviously scenario between prey and predator aren't all 100% but for most of it we are very certain if the prey doesn't need to kill itself to live it's gonna just ran away because it's not gonna die trying

[flat pond]

https://youtu.be/sZR1DfEuP6Q?si=J517Trse8JVNlViv

[umbral kite]

for this one young rex is testing it luck an trying to get the younger edmont ann so an it fight a aggressive defense bull edmont ann who wins

[crystal dock]

Young rex assuming you mean a juvenile would back off because in obvious inexperienced to take on a full grown edmontosaurus also I don't know if bull is a right term here

[pliant cedar]

i wonder how many times shants kill zhuchengs out of pure malice

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/somniosusw/status/1854963310363648182?s=46

Somniosus insomnus💤🦈 (@SomniosusW) on X

Very pround to be part of this new paper!
Welcome #Huaxiazhoulong , the largest ankylosaurid known from China!

Twitter · Nov 8, 2024, 7:04 PM

[next moss]

i dont know why some people think every edmonto was some x rex sized tyrannosaurus killer☠️

[fluid inlet]

Not as bad as the people who think there isn’t edmontosaurus specimens very capable of defending itself and its herd.

[compact leaf]

it’s equally bad, they were animals adapted to detecting a predator early enough that they have time to get away that’s a perfectly valid defense strategy

[flat pond]

Boom stegosaurs cause why not

[pliant cedar]

ed didnt need to be able to fight off a rex, if it was wary it could avoid them by running away or staying as a herd

[light osprey]

Perhaps the tyrant lizard preferred to hunt the Augustynolophus getawaycoulleensis, leaving Nanotyrannus to hunt the diminutive Edmontosaurus

[pliant cedar]

factor trace is so good

[fluid inlet]

Edmontosaurus the real king of hell creek

[rancid dove]

afrovenator(jurassic park fandom)

[fluid inlet]

I don’t see his Afro 😡

[rancid dove]

Why did I do something I wasn't supposed to?

[fluid inlet]

It’s a joke , because the word Afro I was like where is his Afro. Good artwork. 👍🏽

[rancid dove]

ah ok no worries xD

it's not me who did it, on the other hand the one who represents it as terrestrial is a very good swimmer at the same time it makes me think of certain felines like the jaguar

[steady rock]

can someone show me the size compared to a human and possibley anky?

[tough parcel]

Naur

[fluid inlet]

No.

[wind prairie]

say happy 100th birthday to velociraptor, oviraptor, and saurornithoides (all named on nov 8, 1924)

[sterile trail]

Opinions on Alamosaurus?

Also happy birthday Velociraptor

[warped peak]

This is more or less unhinged

[sterile trail]

Agreed

[fluid inlet]

that's your own personal problem

[warped peak]

It is very much not a personal problem that the art presented does not understand ecological interaction

[fluid inlet]

that is based artwork

[warped peak]

Yes because we all know that deer choose to actively attack large wolves

[fluid inlet]

i wouldn't compare deer to to hardosaurus personally.

[sterile trail]

This image invokes fear

[wind prairie]

yeah, based on unlikely events

[warped peak]

Okay. We all know that llamas choose to attack large Jaguars unprompted.

Much closer comparison

[fluid inlet]

this is indeed a better comparison

[warped peak]

And yet it's still hunted by predators the size of a medium dog

[tulip gyro]

I said that too. Even tho acutus isn't that far away

[warped peak]

I'm not calling Hadrosaurs weak. But a large Tyrannosaurus is borderline untouchable even to the largest hadrosaurs. It doesn't matter how strong you are when you die to a single paralyzing crunch the spine

If you choose to attack something that can instantly cripple you, you are not planning ahead.

And herbivores are smart enough to not do that.

[wind prairie]

a lot of things are "weak" if you're comparing them to peak theropod strength

[warped peak]

It's not a dig on hadrosaurs. Tyrannosaurus is just such an absurd animal the only thing that might be able to bully it would be large sauropods

[crystal dock]

And 99.9% of those large sauropods coexist before tyrannosaurus rex came on the scene, and went extinct beforehand

[warped peak]

Alamo would probably be able to if it chose admittedly

[wind prairie]

alamo would beat rex so hard rings would start falling out of it like sonic
edmonto usually gets bullied into a corner lol

[warped peak]

The only reason I say probably is I can't remember if they coexisted or were just close in time

[wind prairie]

they did but not in hell creek afaik

[compact leaf]

sauropods disappearing in north america is unrelated to tyrannosaurus

[tulip gyro]

I found this rex skeleton on discord

What happened to the tail

[hallow spear]

incomplete

[steady smelt]

Yo i have a question Who could win in a hypothetical fight concavenator or dilophosaurus? Imo they both would die but just curious.

[umbral kite]

wat do u call like the main a or bull like hadrosaur or theropod is just a bull trex or a bull edmont like what would they have been call if they where

[woeful falcon]

Probably just male or female. I don't really see terms like that used for them

Mainly bc they're extinct and we generally can't identify the sexes of them

[umbral kite]

what if the closest relatives to theropod was birds would a hens usually is the main male of it would that men we would call a trex a a hen or aomethign liek that

[woeful falcon]

What

[umbral kite]

you knew how hen are the main male of a flock of chicken an bird are the closest relatives to theropod so would we call a trex a hen trex

[rancid arch]

Dilo id say.

[halcyon cobalt]

I believe chickens have the rooster / hen names because they live in harems. If T rex had similar mating behaviours then maybe but I think that’s unlikely

[rancid arch]

500 kilos to a metric ton, very powerfull bite,

[umbral kite]

or would it be more like a buck trex if they mated like that and a doe trex

[halcyon cobalt]

if T rex was monogamous ( which is what I believe ) I could see males being called ganders which would be funny

[woeful falcon]

Hen isn't even the male for chickens. Hens are females

[halcyon cobalt]

rooster is male tmk

[umbral kite]

A gander then waht the female called

[fossil ingot]

I haven't seen 1 ton Dilo in a while
Iirc was more like 500-600kgs

[woeful falcon]

Not every animal has a lil term for whether it is male or female.

[rancid arch]

Conca is 320-400 kilos, so still size and bite

[fossil ingot]

Thats smaller than I remember its GDI
Let me see if I can find its GDI

Found it

[fluid inlet]

How accurate is this

[frigid delta]

is Thyreophora the proof Stego & Anky are related?

[zinc solstice]

Thyreophora Is the Clade Containing Everything Descended from the Last Common Ancestor of a Ankylosaurus and a Stegosaurus I think

[woeful falcon]

Yeah, it's the clade they're in. Just as birds, raptors, Deinocheirus or T. rex are all coelurosaurs, though that's a bit more spread out.

[fluid inlet]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/11/05/terror-bird-fossil-colombia/76066443007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p move over kelenken a new king has risen

[minor thistle]

New ankylosaurid from upper cretaceous of China!
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08912963.2024.2417208

[hallow spear]

Me when I maliciously spread this everywhere

[stiff osprey]

Oh no he is spreading correct information, what will we do

[sullen cairn]

would've been more malicious if we spread the ans Ankylosaurus one

[lost marten]

Is that friren???

Or I’m I tripping balls

[frigid delta]

it is Frieren

[fossil ingot]

Oh
Its decently big

[light osprey]

It’s the largest ankylosaur we’ve found in the Tangbian Fm

[stiff osprey]

The PNSO Zuul is the largest ankylosaur found in my house, that doesn't mean much

[fluid inlet]

Idk if yall will agree with me or not but I just find it hard to believe Carnotaurus arms were used for courtship

[velvet burrow]

Does a Barrosasuchus skeletal exist?

[fluid inlet]

Riot.

[sterile trail]

Question: Do we really know what Tapejara's crest looked like?

[umbral kite]

what a dinosaur showr thought u have

[wind prairie]

how is that hard to believe
also literally what else could they be used for

[jagged trellis]

aoe moves ofc

[steady rock]

speak to me redboss, speak to me

[sterile trail]

Punching lol

[steady rock]

telekenesis

[frigid delta]

https://tenor.com/view/carnotaurus-prehistoric-planet-dinosaurs-gif-25920671

[tulip stream]

Are megaraptors still classified as their own family or are they a Tyrannosaur or Charco now?

[sharp dragon]

Fools, all od you. Their arms were CLEARLY made for cooking

[wind prairie]

of course!!! how could I have been so ignorant

[steady smelt]

I was waiting It to be abt 630 kg tho imo could be a realistic weight, and abt dilo i heard weight estimates from 400kg to 760kg but imo its around 600 kg aswel

Could be both

I made a size comparison kinda yall tell me if its accurate.

[indigo cradle]

Terrifying

[ionic crescent]

William Ankyfton

[woeful falcon]

The arms were for hanging there on the sides of their body just like any other abelisaurid

Luckily for Carnotaurus, it has something else it could've used in courtship that no other theropod is known to have: big bull horns on its head

[frigid delta]

wyd if my gang pull up⁉️

[crystal dock]

No

[minor thistle]

Feeding them steaks

[steady smelt]

Well i tried

[crystal dock]

If the reference you're using to scale doesn't have a scale bar DON'T USE IT

[steady smelt]

Ok

[crystal dock]

@steady smelt here use this

[tough parcel]

Why are you using Hartman's Dilo? (I didn't even know he had one)

[steady smelt]

Ty let me try

[crystal dock]

Mb king

Btw Gualicho, I know it's GetAwayTike did I get the leg musculature right?

[steady smelt]

I change te dilo? For this one?

[crystal dock]

Yes?

[tough parcel]

Skeletal overlay cause it looks wonky

Then again, it's a GAT skeletal so 😭

[tough parcel]

Wow it actually looks like that

Leg muscles seem fine, I just wouldn't extend em all the way to the hip (anatomically, they would still do so, but I'd terminate the lines a bit before)

[light osprey]

Perhaps if we don’t use a GAT skeletal, things won’t look uncanny?

[crystal dock]

Nah am too sigma to listen to the rules, I'll do lineart of GAT's skeletals because am cool!

[steady smelt]

What abt this?

[crystal dock]

Did you scale the bars?

[frigid delta]

@steady smelt here i do it for u
no need to thank

[steady smelt]

Anyways Ty,i did It kinda similar to it. i need to learn more of this lol.

[crystal dock]

Gorilla can I request something?

Concavenator & Monolophosaurus/Sinosaurus

[frigid delta]

i have no mono/sino skeletal as for now

[frigid delta]

there
ur welcome
now if you'll excuse me imma go offline
brb

[frigid delta]

@crystal dock

[crystal dock]

Once you come back can you just do one more it's Monolophosaurus and American lion

[fossil ingot]

Sometimes I forget Dilo is even more a billboard then Cera is

[tough parcel]

It'd be less of a billboard considering the depth and width are similar enough

[light osprey]

Perhaps they were referring to a billboard which is short and proportionally wide

[tough parcel]

I was a fool...

[pliant cedar]

yes

[flat pond]

Now time for some spinosaurs

[wary panther]

Are carchardontosaurids more like felines or canids?

[sterile trail]

. . . ?

Like behaviorally?

[wary panther]

No, regarding anatomy

[sterile trail]

Oh, well uh, I dunno, to be completely honest

[stiff osprey]

They are nothing like either group

[sterile trail]

To put it simply, just look at birds

[warped peak]

I suppose canids?

They're specialized for endurance bleeding without sacrificing power, like Carchs

[stiff osprey]

carchs have zero endurance adaptations though

[warped peak]

Specialized for bleeding then idk

Definitely not the Crushing ambush grappler that felines are

[wary panther]

Really?

[sterile trail]

I honestly like the speculation with some Carcharodontosaurs that they can "chunk" flesh off of larger dinosaurs.

[stiff osprey]

They would be more like komodo dragons than any kind of mammal

[wary panther]

That's interesting, I thought Carchs were pretty endurant animals considering speed wise

[sterile trail]

Anyways, favorite Carch and why? I'll go first:
Meraxes gigas. Its name sounds cool

[stiff osprey]

no, theropods with endurance adaptations have elongated lower legs, especially the metatarsals. Carch metatarsals are tiny

[warped peak]

Meraxes gigas because it was a revolutionary find for Carcharodont anatomy

[rancid dove]

same

[sterile trail]

Well so do a lot of large theropods as well

[stiff osprey]

I'd choose Giganotosaurus if we actually knew anything about it other than the skull

[sterile trail]

That one image of a Giga with a stupidly long snout haunts me to my core

[wary panther]

The more you know

[stiff osprey]

Do you mean a lot of theropods have tiny metatarsals, or a lot of theropods have endurance adaptations?

[sterile trail]

This one right here

[sterile trail]

Small metatarsals

[stiff osprey]

Yeah that's true, because most of them have no adaptation for endurance

[sterile trail]

Anyways I hate this image

[wary panther]

Actually?

[rancid dove]

why?

[stiff osprey]

the only ones who do are ornithomimosaurs, troodontids and tyrannosaurs

[sterile trail]

Its head looks way too cartoony because it just looks so disproportionate

[wary panther]

So carchardontosaurids would have been more short speed burst animals just like Komodo dragons?

[rancid dove]

I see what you mean

it looks a hybrid modified like jurassic world

[sterile trail]

Also Ark Giga is just a fat middle finger. LOOK AT IT

[stiff osprey]

oh and probably some oviraptorosaurs too

[rancid dove]

my god it is gigantic

[sterile trail]

Anyways when will people stop calling T. rex like "T-Rex"?

[stiff osprey]

Most theropods would yes. Although the archosaur breathing would give them better endurance compared to lizards

[wary panther]

But not on par with a select few modern mammals (Canids for example?)

[sterile trail]

When people say "T-Rex", my soul dies inside

[stiff osprey]

Ornithomimids or troodontids might be on par with canids, certainly not most theropods

[sterile trail]

It's like when people say my name wrong, I die inside

[wary panther]

I must have been living in a dinosaur echo chamber because people made theropods out to be far more efficent then modern mammals in endurance

[stiff osprey]

Tyrannosaurs it's hard to say because they are in such a different size class compared to canids. Maybe they'd be comparable, maybe not

[stiff osprey]

They have more efficient breathing than mammals, but you need more than that to be an endurance runner

[wary panther]

That makes sense

[sterile trail]

Also can we just appreciate this old reconstruction of Stegosaurus?

[wary panther]

Could it be that with the lack of endurance Carchardonotsaurids executed large massive bites and waited on their prey to tire out?

Not bleed out

[stiff osprey]

Also canids are just insane, I'm pretty sure there are breeds of dog that could run their entire lives if there was a way to feed/hydrate them while on the move

[wary panther]

Dog breeds are genetic cheat codes, so are many man made feline breeds

[rancid dove]

Did it look like the Stegosaurus at the time? 🤣

[sterile trail]

In the 1880's, yeah

[rancid dove]

💀 fortunately it's 2024

[sterile trail]

When the two knuckleheads were in a stupid challenge

[stiff osprey]

Doubt it, it would be more efficient to bleed them out or cause the prey to go into shock through physical trauma

[rancid dove]

they look more like kaiju than animals

[sterile trail]

The knuckleheads in question

[wary panther]

Should a few bites towards the leg be more than enough to completely immobilize the animal? (Regarding a Sauropod of parity)

[stiff osprey]

At size parity, absolutely. One or two bites should be enough

[wraith kindle]

Except animals don't usually think strategically like that. If that's all they can reach, that's what they'll target, sure.

A smart predator probably would though.

[wary panther]

Considering the disparity of Sauropods in the formation do you think Giganotosaurus here would hunt more down to ground sauropods with their necks closer to the ground?

Could they have specialized far more in those Sauropods then commonly thought long neck ones?

[wraith kindle]

But probably only the maniraptorans had anything approaching mammalian intelligence. But even then, things with small brains have sometimes shown to be surprisingly intelligent for their size.

[stiff osprey]

I doubt it would have evolved to the maximum possible size for a bipedal predator only to hunt small sauropods. Large titanosaurs were probably a major part of its diet

[wary panther]

Alright last question of the day, do you think the reason for why 2 Tyrannosaurids could exist in a similar formation is because 1 of the other lack specific traits to go after certain prey? EX Albertosaurus doing better at hunting hadrosaurs compared to Daspletosaurus being better at hunting large ceratopsians, and the reason Tyrannosaurus was as successful as it was because it could do both, especially at different ages, overlapping with the mid-sized tyrannosaurids? Not "outcompeting" And could Tarbosaurus essentially coexist with Tyrannosaurus? (It lives in the lower south with Sauropods)

[tough parcel]

Perhaps evidence intelligence is a dumb unit of measurement and is about as useful as using leaves for currency…?

[stiff osprey]

intelligence is an unintelligent unit of measurement... ironic

[wraith kindle]

Perhaps, just means that we can only extrapolate so far from just brain casts.

[wary panther]

Now regarding these 2 Tyrannosaurids which would have been more macropredatory than the other? Dasp or Alberto

[light osprey]

They are both equally macropredatory

[wary panther]

Fair enough

Does anyone know how I would scale a theropod's mass if I increased its length?

[wraith kindle]

That would depend on body proportions? Though the obvious one would be increasing tail weight cause it's gotta balance the front end.

[woeful falcon]

Problem I see with that hypothetical about Tarbo coexisting with Tyrannosaurus by living in the south is Tyrannosaurus also lived in the south lol. But if Gorgo and Das could pull off coexisting, perhaps Tarbo and Tyrannosaurus could have too. The two have some pretty apparent differences I imagine would contribute to niche partitioning.

[crystal dock]

Both because they're both carnivores of similar size animals

[cloud breach]

Not much difference between murusraptor braincase and other theropods, their not exceptional

[umbral kite]

guys if raptors hunted aoemthign do u thing it just roll over an crush the raptors to get them off

[sterile trail]

Possibly

If they did hunt in packs to take down large prey which is currently a hot debate whether they did it not

They could have been crushed if their prey rolled on top of them

[umbral kite]

who else had dinosaur 4D an how accurate was it

[pliant cedar]

sauropods had pneumatised bones that allowed them to gain more air in a single breath, so they probably had great stamina like their predator
plus its a lot easier to just nip at the legs till you bleed out the prey

[umbral kite]

Y is thsi out there

[velvet burrow]

Oh i wasn't prepared for the ornithopod ichnogenus

That thing is larger than Macrogryphosaurus

[steady smelt]

C.corcovatus compared to D.eatoni.

[cloud breach]

Can you send that diablo ref?

Nvm I found it

[sharp canyon]

That caption is gonna give me an aneurysm

[umbral kite]

i know

[steady smelt]

Tbh im not sure if that diablo is completely accurate size tho.

[warped peak]

I believe it is

[steady smelt]

Idk i seen dibble stimates say that is taller,longer and also quite heavier than the one i found.

[warped peak]

Most of those are attributed to a specimen not currently believed to be dibble AFAIK

[steady smelt]

Damm 1080 kg

[white matrix]

had an argument with someone today who thought marine reptiles were dinosaurs because dinosaurs are reptiles 🤦🏼

[hallow spear]

iirc this is Machairoceratops

[fluid inlet]

https://www.livescience.com/animals/extinct-species/a-giant-crocodilian-killed-the-largest-terror-bird-ever-found-12-million-years-ago

[umbral kite]

who that sinosaur

it a styracoeaurus

im I right

[woeful falcon]

it says the name of the dinosaur on the image

[ionic crescent]

No, liar, is Triceratops. Don't mess with em :(

[tough parcel]

While normally I’d carry on this joke, the fact they said “Styracosaurus” when the name is explicitly on the image worries me that they might not understand

[ionic crescent]

If they are on phone I can understand, image is cut for me atm on the corners (lit I can only read oceratops in the corner)

[tough parcel]

Life or death for Diabloceratops

[umbral kite]

I seen the dino jist forgot it name

[frigid delta]

dude... this is literally their name

[steady rock]

it has eat in its name because diablo is FAT

[umbral kite]

it was cut off

[umbral kite]

i think we shiuld add
Tarbosaurus
Eniosaurus it look funny
Irrator
Baryonx
Any tupe of spinosaursain
Ankylsain
Diablocerotops

any dinosaur or creatures u want in

[drifting condor]

Were therizinosaurus claws fragile?

[hallow spear]

With keratin I doubt it

[drifting condor]

Oh cause I was under the assumption that their claws were fragile and would be useful for much

[tough parcel]

Wasn’t there a whole segment of discussion saying how while keratin would likely strengthen the claws to some extent, it wouldn’t be significant? (Wasn’t that you who said it, actually )

[drifting condor]

Because I heard a study show they wouldn't be useful for combat

[hallow spear]

(It wasn’t me) but it wouldn’t surprise me if there was a segment in the paper that I may have missed

[umbral kite]

also they where mostly more like slashing claws the closest thing to it are ant eaters claws an does thign are dangerously strong

[compact leaf]

they aren’t similar in anatomy to anteater claws

[umbral kite]

both are made of keratin right and where more of slashing weapon right so would they have the a similar type

they may have been weak but atill if a small or even large predators tried to hint it that still is a very pain slash to it

[frigid delta]

do u think the spoon's tail will be okay after that crack? 🥺

[umbral kite]

nah ir fine but wont move it for a week

[halcyon cobalt]

ant eaters have crazy robust claws ( as do most digging animals ) and therizinosaurus didnt. very different

[steady rock]

i know elephants cant croutch can but could ceratopsians?

[cloud breach]

Better than elephants since their limbs arent columnar and locked in already, but larger ones probably couldnt that much

[steady rock]

so majority could to some extent but stuff like trike and toro probably couldnt?

[sullen cairn]

the thing with keratin and theri claws is that the addition of a conservative keratin sheath made a negligible difference in performance in the 2014 study

so question there is if a) there's any animal that has terrible ungual stress performance only when keratin isn't included (which is to say that every other theropod ungual sampled performed markedly better even without keratin and b) if the claws being extensively reshaped/altered by keratin as to perform absolutely nothing like the raw ungual without keratin would even be the default assumption given the claws generally seem poorly adjusted for mechanical activity

which is just to say that the imo the extensive keratin argument would need an example of another animal with unguals performing similarly terribly only when disregarding keratin to have any solid precedent (which could well be the case but i wouldn't know any examples)

[steady rock]

can you say this in stego brain language

[sullen cairn]

theri's claws might be useful assuming they had a crap load of keratin but you'd want an example of another animal thats claws also seem useless when not accounting for keratin

[steady rock]

oh okay, would this be for theri speficially or the clade as a whole?

[sullen cairn]

given therizinosaurus' claws perform uniquely awful even relative to other theropods also without keratin

which could simply be a product of their size but they also seem generally maladapted to mechanical usage (weak muscle attachments, very thin) so i dunno if that'd be the default assumption

[steady rock]

what i got frokm this is

theri's claws would be weak without keratin, with keratin their performance would be much better

[sullen cairn]

if its a lot of keratin it might but thats even assuming it had that much keratin to begin with and that it altered the shape of the claws enough

[light osprey]

Perhaps the Therizinosaur was
Made entirely out of keratin. Something of a full body sheath?

[steady rock]

would this be for theri or Therizinosauridae as a whole?

[sullen cairn]

every other therizinosaur has far better ungual performance even without keratin so that'd just be theri

[steady rock]

whats ungual?

[sullen cairn]

claw bone
as in therizinosaurus performs uniquely terribly

[steady rock]

does this chart mean mononykus had really strong claws

[sullen cairn]

relatively yeah

[steady rock]

so the more colorful they are, the more likely they are to break is what im gathering?

[sullen cairn]

essentially

[crystal dock]

I think what also people forget is that even with the studies of the claws being weak or weaker than expected, therizinosaurus was still one of if not the tallest theropod and the largest of its kind reaching a size of 5.5-6 tonnes and was very wide dorsally

[sharp dragon]

So like... what did the damn thing use it's giant claws for? If it's display, why negate a fully developed part of your body specifically to that purpose? this ain't no abelisaurid.

[crystal dock]

Feeding is another

[sharp dragon]

I never got the feeding thing tbh. I'm not some expert on therizinosaurid anatomy, but it seems to me that their necks extended past, if not as far as their claws could reach. And they would've adapted long necks for a reason, that is unless theri it self didn't actually have a long neck.

[magic monolith]

display and courtship and for feeding are my guesses

[pliant cedar]

if the claws were useless it would be destroyed by tarbo, a 1 ton weight advantage is not enough

[serene moat]

Anyone have average triceratops weight and average rex weight comparison or something

[static stirrup]

Would it be possible for therizinosaurids to have feathery displays in between the claws?

[halcyon cobalt]

fighting back isnt everything in terms of survival. theri could have just lived in an environment that tarbo didnt visit often

[frigid delta]

what abt Tarbo vs Deino?

[pliant cedar]

iirc they were both found in fluvial deposits

[halcyon cobalt]

seasonally flooding forests or something idk

[pliant cedar]

it would be very close, but i think tarbo would win more cause they wouldve ambushed the duck
In a straight fight duck would probably win extreme dif if it can keep the tarbo from getting a bite in with its arms
although deinocheirus was also cursorial and could probably just run away from a tarbosaurus

[frigid delta]

Tarbo bites while the duck Rip & Tear?

[pliant cedar]

duck could probably also grapple to some degree
but like i said it was quite cursorial, and could probably just run rather than engage

[frigid delta]

are there even any other 'ducks' beside Deino?
related & non-related?

[pliant cedar]

there are a few other deinocheirds but they are significantly smaller, the second largest is a ton and the others are less iirc

halzskaraptor probably also lived somewhat like a duck

[frigid delta]

they probably more underrated than Deino

[frigid delta]

is Deino even a fast runner in their own home? (swamps and other freshwater environment)

[pliant cedar]

funilly enough the second largest ornithomimisaur is the second largest deinocheirid
the other deinocheirid was like less than 100kg

[pliant cedar]

it was quite fast for its size, its legs are quite long

[frigid delta]

ik i'm late but do u think this new chinese anky would love 冰淇淋?

[steady smelt]

Just a question,how do you calculate the mass of a dinosaur?

[halcyon cobalt]

is this recognisable as an abelisaurid?

[pliant cedar]

skull looks a bit like yang, and the forearms are kinda skinny
other than that yeah its good

[halcyon cobalt]

a couple of abelisaurids had quite boxy skulls

[pliant cedar]

yeah, i think its less that the abelisaurid looks like yang and more yang looks like an abelisaurid

[frigid delta]

GDI calculations
maybe a pro like derpystego can help you with it, they're kinda good at it ngl...
@hallow spear ! make something of yourself!

[hallow spear]

Graphic double integrations or you volumetrically weigh a 3D model in blender

[pliant cedar]

isnt there also scaling, but thats less reliable

[steady smelt]

Well i was just curious,Ty anyways

[frigid delta]

ty derpystego

[steady smelt]

I have been doing some size comparisons lately, is this well done?

[pliant cedar]

i didnt realise dibble was that small

[steady smelt]

Its small but thick

N quite heavy for being so short in both length and height

[frigid delta]

also @crystal dock

[outer tusk]

thanks

[frigid delta]

ur welcome (why u the one who thanked?)

[outer tusk]

he doesn't know...

[frigid delta]

no i don't
i may an intelligent gorilla but i need the context

[outer tusk]

the diablo is too low to the ground their feet are below concave's feet

[pliant cedar]

ceratopsians are quite erect no?

[outer tusk]

that's not what am referring too, diablo feets are literally too low into the ground it's below's concave

[pliant cedar]

ohhh
intelligent gorilla thats not what i mean

[steady smelt]

Didn't notice, im going to re do it

[frigid delta]

ik
it's still strange to hear ngl

[outer tusk]

you have the bars scaled right just lift diablo bar up a little bit so it matches also with concave's feet

[frigid delta]

do u think i should do it again for conc...?

[pliant cedar]

dinocrocuta sounds insanely over the top for a hyena

[outer tusk]

I mean if you want

[steady smelt]

Now?

[outer tusk]

yeah

[frigid delta]

good
nice job

[frigid delta]

and then there's 10 yrs old me who thought Hyaenodon was the largest hyena to ever exist (Hyaen were never a hyena)

[pliant cedar]

they are creodonts, which are part of ferae, which also contains carnivora, so they are distantly related to hyenas

like very, VERY distantly related

[frigid delta]

still wasn't a hyena

[pliant cedar]

ye

[frigid delta]

yehehehehehe
(the laugh of hyena)

[steady smelt]

TY

[steady smelt]

A question,whats dilo an concave weight estimates? Because i seen conca range from 320-400kg(Google stimate) and 600kg+ and dilo i seen 400 kg up to a 760kg.

[outer tusk]

Dilophosaurus is 670kg and Concavenator is 600kg

[steady smelt]

Damm

And cerato? I heard weights of up to 1100

[outer tusk]

1,125kg

[steady smelt]

Almost double as conca? I heard most of estimates being 700kg-980kg

[outer tusk]

900kg - 1.5 tonnes ( possible largest )

[steady smelt]

So a comparison of cerato and concavenator should look like this

But idk abt this conca skeletal because it says concas hip height is 1.50m and from what i know its abt 1.90m

[outer tusk]

wdym

the height to neutral spine 1.9m and hip height 1.5m

[steady smelt]

I mean that from most size estimates i heard are about 1.90 m hip height not the sail height

[outer tusk]

it's not a sail it's a hump

again 1.5-1.9 should be fine don't stress it

[pliant cedar]

what prey animals lived with conca

[steady smelt]

Mantellisaurus and pelecanimimus

Here i have a size comparison

[pliant cedar]

mentelli was an iguanodontid?
do you think it could stand up to a conc

[steady smelt]

Yes mantelli is an igaunodontid.
And imo It could fight,injure or even kill a conc imo but conca is no pushover It could try to tire the mantellisaurus by biting It and letting It bleed.

[pliant cedar]

yeah, although a mantelli could probably run a conca down.
ultimately if the fight was close conca would just go for younger individuals or ambush

[steady smelt]

Yh It could be similar to a lion VS a zebra

For adults conca might have grouped up to kill adults
By the way mantelli is abt 680-720 kg and 7 m in length

[outer tusk]

Mantelli is about 600kg

[steady smelt]

N also morelladon probably lived with concavenator

[outer tusk]

it didn't

[steady smelt]

Yep no my bad i searched where morelladon lived It didnt live in Cuenca.

[pliant cedar]

its annoying cause we cant test this
you could use the mapusaurus arguement but mapusaurus isnt that closely related to conca within carcharodontosauridae

did yall hear about that kelenken sized terror bird recently discovered

[steady smelt]

Eh no

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/945091962799796336/1304170424929878057/image.png?ex=6731b69b&is=6730651b&hm=296ed297493eda3dec71cf617b7c90821a2c873fc8374f38be3b352709201b2b&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[pliant cedar]

i love media hype

[umbral kite]

guys what if the theri survived by being so aggressive to every thing an it would go out of it way to hunt offspring of predators no make sure it disnt get hunted

[stiff osprey]

Why did I know it was Sharl who reacted without hovering over the emoji

[light osprey]

Perhaps evidence I should use a different emote?

[magic monolith]

Anybody know what carnivores lived with Jobaria?

[stiff osprey]

Afrovenator and Spinostropheus are the main ones

[magic monolith]

Aight cheers

[pliant cedar]

i see what this convo was for now..

[steady smelt]

Allo compared to Ourano

[flat pond]

Any good Mapusaurus paleoart?

[velvet burrow]

On the topic of theri claws, is is possible that there was some form of deformation on the claws?

[flat pond]

Ah, thanks

Trying to make up my own modded roster that I wanna try and do in the future when I have time

[wary panther]

Alright who started this? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/6-3-inches-thick-dinosaur-armor-could-withstand-high-speed-car-crash-analysis-finds/ar-AA1tPjci?ocid=BingNewsSerp

And of course, its the nodosaur everyone was talking about

[sterile trail]

Hello again Borealopelta... We meet again...

[wind prairie]

probably not

[idle storm]

How accurate is this Rex?

[wind prairie]

all I can say for sure is it wasn't that loud walking

[idle storm]

How do we know the sound of tyrannosaurus’s steps?

[halcyon cobalt]

big things tend to have padded shock absorbing feet which don’t make a lot of noise

[sterile trail]

A ten ton predator that makes no sound when walking is horrifying

[umbral kite]

if theri claws where fragile then what did it mainly use to protect it self did it try. Limbing trees running like what did jt mainly use to protect it self

[pliant cedar]

either herding, intimidation, or luck

[outer tusk]

given how tall and wide it is idk man seems like it survived somehow

[steady rock]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-trex-fighting-dinosaur-gif-17293452

like, supringsingly the theri vs tarbo fight scene is very accurate, like one slap and that tarbo is backing away realizing any further injury is not worth it

[outer tusk]

nah the sigma tarbosaurus would chokeslam the therizinosaurus into sumbission and win the fight

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/F8qN_cMMp_Q?si=xfp0C1pd4JMGtCcx 10/10

[fluid inlet]

I agree.

https://youtu.be/ZY60MMOOBqM?si=skBi3S60eZzzHi5F

[warped peak]

Media does not do justice to the actual dimensions of Theri's arms

They're so long instead of just sticks with claws

[ripe walrus]

This scene reminds me of Sue

[umbral kite]

guys do u think theri would slap any small thing that got to close to it

[drifting knoll]

So can someone help me rq

The horns on ceratopsians on the nose are called nasal horns and the ones above the eyes are brow horns, what is the term for horns fixed on the end of the frill??

[hallow spear]

It’s some really stupidly named thing

[woeful falcon]

googles

epoccipital bones

[hallow spear]

That yeah

[umbral kite]

guy who name dinosaurs the person who found it or does the scientist community name it

[tough parcel]

The person who describes it names the dinosaur

[compact leaf]

not necessarily the person who finds it (but that is proper) but whoever formally described the dinosaur names it

[sterile trail]

If I ever had the opportunity to name a titanosaur, I would probably name it Aethersaurus or something like that

[wary heath]

Why are a lot of herding animals stupid?

Imagine like a herd of 20 ceratopsians, they see 2 medium sized carnivores, they panic leaving their most vulnerable behind when they very easily could've stood their ground against them.

[thorn grove]

animals in general are kinda stupid

but also no reason for any one of them to risk injuring themself (either from the carnivores or accidentally from each other) if they don't have especially strong social bonds

[umbral kite]

running is smarter foghting js last opion would u want to fight somethign that is built to kill ur or out run it an try to tire them out an get away

[wary heath]

If I was in a herd of like 50 other dinosaurs, there wouldn't even be a need to run.

[stiff osprey]

You will kill the carnivore, yes, but then you will have 49 dinosaurs

and the next time you'll have 48, then 47, then 46...

None of those 50 dinosaurs in the herd is willing to be the one to die to take down the predator, so they run

[wary panther]

If you leave the most vulnerable you are left with the stronger animals, natural selection in its finest

[stiff osprey]

that too, leaving the weak behind is encouraged by natural selection because it removes sick individuals that may infect the rest of the herd

[wary panther]

A ceratopsian may have the weaponry to fight a large Tyrannosaur, but it doesn't want to get bite, scratched or possibly hurt, hell most people are scared to get punched in the face, a herbivore doesn't want to get a piece of it eaten

[tulip stream]

Just learned today that Alio and Tarbo have a pretty cool lock jaw feature

[wary heath]

Why would that be the case?

[woeful falcon]

From the herbivore mind, it could be the one that makes it 49. Would you be the one to die because you decided not to run from the thing trying to kill you?

Hell this isn't something even we've escaped from without a certain level of self discipline. That's part of survival, get away from that which can kill you. Self preservation.

[wary panther]

Even with a spear, would you fight a wolf? You could probably win, but your first thought isn't going to be "kill it" its going to be "don't get killed". Again, its simply prey mentality

[viscid geyser]

True

[wary panther]

It would be hilarious to see a 30t Sauropod run away froman 8t Theropod though

[compact leaf]

that one I kind of doubt, with a size disparity like that it would probably avoid it but outright panic wouldn’t be likely unless it was defending a smaller one for some reason

now a group of large theropods coming after it might be enough to cause a panic for a lone individual

[wary panther]

If I reduced the mass to 14T could we get the same results?

[storm heron]

I would think that extremely gigantic Sauropods would generally not fear large theropods as much, yet large herbivores today run away from carnivores much smaller than them regularly. Regardless of how you think about it, the idea of "I don't want to die" will be there even if it is a 30 tonne Sauropod.

[woeful falcon]

In fairness to a lot of today's carnivores, they're not so big that tripping could doom them

[viscid geyser]

I mean its debatable on how one thinks about it

[woeful falcon]

Another fairness to today's carnivores, it's not entirely impossible for most of them to jump

[wary heath]

I wouldn't try to kill it at first but at the same time I wouldn't run away from something I could never outrun.

[woeful falcon]

Don't necessarily have to outrun it, just gotta get away from it

Course, outrunning often isn't in the cards for a lot of prey animals

[storm heron]

I would think it depends on the scenario, e.g. Hyenas sometimes go after Rhinos despite the former being able to crush them (if that is what you mean).

[woeful falcon]

What I mean is, an 8 ton animal falls harder and could probably do more damage to itself than a hyena would. Just generally, doesn't even have to be a predation scenario

[sullen cairn]

nature is... stupid...?

[storm heron]

I have seen a similar scene where a Buffalo calf caused an adult Elephant to moonwalk, so I am clueless to this behavior.

[woeful falcon]

Being confident can make you go far, especially if you're able to pester the big thing. Birds are nasty with this

[storm heron]

Yea, confidence and being intimidating helps, but curious how much of the behavior/attitude of the big thing contributes to this scenario.

[wary panther]

I don't see this working on reptiles though such as large crocodilians if the animal is smaller

[ripe walrus]

Pov me and spiders

[wary panther]

Just..........eat it?

[ripe walrus]

Uh

Yes good Idea👍

[wary panther]

Arachnids are harmless little animals, its not going to hurt you. And most if not 80% of the time you encounter one its not venomous

[storm heron]

Well reptiles and crocodiles, the behavior is even more difficult to understand.

[ripe walrus]

They are harmless in my country but i have arachnophobia

[wary panther]

its seems so, I see a major trend in Crocodiles simply caring more about eating the animal instead of how "dangerous" it appears

[ripe walrus]

The outdated megarachne gives me nightmares

[wraith kindle]

In that case, I can imagine it going oh crap, the mommas probably nearby, and Cape Buffalo are nasty enough.

[wraith kindle]

Wasn’t that found to be an eurypterid?

[ripe walrus]

Thats why i said outdated

And yes its a sea scorpion

[drifting knoll]

I tried googling and it told me nothing how did you do this 😭

Maybe I was just using the wrong phrases idk

[drifting knoll]

The risk of injury is far more dire than I think you realize. One broken bone can easily be fatal to an animal

[wraith kindle]

Same, it doesn’t think the word exists.

[drifting knoll]

Or a nasty wound can easily get infected and go septic. Mother Nature is BRUTAL

[wraith kindle]

And yet there are those that do survive.

[woeful falcon]

I didn't actually try googling directly. I went on the wiki page for Triceratops until I found a spot where it said what the bones were, and then I looked up "epoccipital bones" to confirm

In this case the trick was to pick a dino I knew that had them and see if it mentions them anywhere lol

[wraith kindle]

Tried literally that "epocciptal bones", which came up literally nothing, somehow.

[woeful falcon]

Did you typo when searching it

Ask bc right there you did spell it wrong haha

[wraith kindle]

Oh, right.

[woeful falcon]

Which I also did too when I first looked it up bc its a weird word

[wraith kindle]

@drifting knoll ^ Maybe you also made a typo?

[drifting knoll]

Def not I wrote “term for ceratopsian horns”

[wraith kindle]

Those bones are part of the frill, not the horns.

[drifting knoll]

Yeah true

Used the wrong phrases for sure

[woeful falcon]

I got the phrase that woulda helped ya

"Ceratopsian frill spikes"

[wraith kindle]

They can be horn-like though or spikes, that might have been the confusion.

[drifting knoll]

My ceratopsian knowledge is a work in progress, this is the uncanny rendition of dibble I made today that spurred on the question

His face is so long

[wraith kindle]

Looks a little derpy.

[drifting knoll]

Should’ve known I can’t make front facing dibble look normal lol

[ionic marsh]

Then what are epiparietals?

[wraith kindle]

More frill bits basically….

[ionic marsh]

Awesome

[wraith kindle]

Depends on which bone they’re sitting on.

[ionic marsh]

Even more awesome

Not really cofuse

[frigid delta]

ok so by this logic the bigger the animal, more silence they become?

[halcyon cobalt]

idk man

elephants can be pretty quiet though

[hallow spear]

Elephants are a unique case

[dusty sphinx]

There’s speculation that bigger things, especially predators, had padding to help reduce their footstep noise. This theory comes from looking at modern predators and their biology. It’s also why rex is theorized to be an ambush predator/scavenger. We’re unfortunately never going to know for 100% certainty

[steady smelt]

Concavenator, Achillobator and velociraptor

[frigid delta]

ok but rex toe beans when???

[minor thistle]

anyone got a list of mesozoic plants with/wihtthout images?

[open compass]

https://youtu.be/t9PZxPji4ks?si=vTsdSBTFe4nGoziw

[wary panther]

I mean regardless if it had no padding, The vegetation was probably dense asf and Tyrannosaurus may have dawned certain colors that would help it camouflage or appear to camouflage in the sight of other animals, similarly to tigers

or simply endurant enough to walk its prey to death

[tough parcel]

Society when theropods were actually pretty loud walkers (compared to elephants) and they weren't sneaky jungle cat ninja assassins

https://youtube.com/shorts/IXXf_RuOp8g?si=cU3B_Mscv9eCdHI1

[wary panther]

depends on the theropod, a small dromaeosaur? good look trying to hear it

Even chickens can be fairly quiet when they want to

[tough parcel]

Nice try! Unfortunately the discussion was large theropod oriented + unless your raptors have the density of a neutron star, the comment of "comparatively louder than elephants" would not make sense!

[wary panther]

Grrr, it seems you are correct that I have completely swayed the discussion to something unrelated, though comparing the sound disparity to elephants without giving an average how loud they can have saved my argument

[tough parcel]

It's given in the paper discussed in the video I have linked

I did not mention it as it was a bunch of math

The Seismic Wave Motion Camouflage of Large Carnivorous Dinosaurs

[sudden wind]

We don't know what sounds they'd make. However we can predict the way the footsteps vibration would go : https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022519318304806

oopsie I was late

[tough parcel]

Yea

[sudden wind]

I hate you!

[hallow spear]

I do not think elephants are the best example though ngl

[tough parcel]

wAGH

Evidence that Spinosaurus was correct

[wary panther]

I concede after fully reading the paper

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-dr-robotnik-i-was-not-expecting-that-i-wasnt-expecting-that-jim-carrey-gif-19388592

[sudden wind]

Perhaps I went crazy with the work I had to do
(I basically finished that but idk how to run statistics on Excel!)

[tough parcel]

[sterile trail]

Opinions on Ankylosaurus?

[sudden wind]

fat

[tough parcel]

Fat

[steady rock]

taf

[umbral kite]

i thought that was a ablertsaurus but i say the horn near it eyes

guys where trike fat or buff which one

[prime pecan]

One of my favourite herbivores
It a tank thats alive (was alive)

[umbral kite]

it fat and chunky

[wary panther]

its just big boned 😠

[umbral kite]

big bone mean u have fat bone so

[wary panther]

no, it really is just big boned

[umbral kite]

over sized bone make it weight more making it basically fat

[wary panther]

no its just makes it heavy

[prime pecan]

Same as u

[minor thistle]

can anyone explain to me how fossil plant names work? like for example, species of dicroidium are just the fern leaf? what base to they go to?

Been tryna learn some stuff but its quite confusing

[prime pecan]

Uuuuuuuuu i have no clu
I thought palaeontology dinosaurs

[zealous ravine]

Long story short: it’s really confusing. Fossil plants are shape taxa, so they’re just named based on how they look. Two specimens within the same species aren’t necessarily related like with dinosaurs, they’re just a similar shape

[minor thistle]

I see. what’s the long story?

[wary panther]

Based on shape? my god how far have we come as a species

[zealous ravine]

Uh, frankly I have no idea. This is why I stick to animals lol

[tough parcel]

Evidence animals are better and paleo-botany is a folly

[minor thistle]

yeah haha, im only tryna learn about it for a game im making. been pretty confusing.

[tough parcel]

Imo unless you're doing the Saurian route (don't), you shouldn't worry too much as long as it isn't so jarring such as flowering trees in the Triassic

[light osprey]

Plants are the most vital part of any paleo art ever. The key to the ultimate depiction of ancient animals

[steady rock]

saurian but its the Morrison formation and u can play as 42 sauropods

[light osprey]

Fossil plants older than the Maastrichtian are lame though

[umbral kite]

nuh uhh

[wary panther]

Subjective but alr

[pliant cedar]

ginkoes are the peak of living organisms take this back immediately

[fluid inlet]

Where magnapaulia

[pliant cedar]

where is anatotitan

[tough parcel]

It's the first animal

[pliant cedar]

😒 its not the same..

[fluid inlet]

I want magnapaulia now!

[pliant cedar]

giant healer lamb when

[tough parcel]

In a 2011 study by Nicolás Campione and David Evans, the authors conducted the first ever morphometric analysis to compare the various specimens assigned to Edmontosaurus. They concluded that only two species are valid: E. regalis, from the late Campanian, and E. annectens, from the late Maastrichtian. Their study provided further evidence that Anatotitan copei is a synonym of E. annectens. Specifically, the long, low skull of A. copei is the result of ontogenetic change and represents mature E. annectens individuals.

[pliant cedar]

anatotitan will always exist in my heart. 😔
way cooler name than edmontosaurus

[tough parcel]

Bigfoot will always exist in my heart, doesn't mean it's right !

[fluid inlet]

Sup

[outer tusk]

Chilantaisaurus is peak taxa

[pliant cedar]

we have now lost a cool name forever

[tough parcel]

This is the reason I hate common names

[outer tusk]

what about uncommon names?

[sullen cairn]

parasaurolophins ft moderately more questionable scaling than usual

[tough parcel]

Rare names

[pliant cedar]

epic names

[outer tusk]

can I use this without mentioning your name ( trust )

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/diplodoken/status/1666101971533856769?s=46 Zhuchengtitan solo’n the server

Double beam (@Diplodoken) on X

My #paleoart for today! Zhuchengtitan, a massive sauropod, is avoiding a huge herd of Shantungosaurus. Btw, both species depicted here are very colorful as a sign of aposematism which could potentially be fitting with their possible aggressive behavior.

Twitter · Jun 6, 2023, 3:17 PM

[pliant cedar]

herd of shants bleed out the sauropod????

[sullen cairn]

assuming its used for benevolent and non-chaotic means sure

[outer tusk]

thank you pookie, I love you so much ( platonically ) ❤️ 🫶 🥰

[fluid inlet]

Not on Zhuchengtitan worse day pal

[pliant cedar]

stupid weak defenseless hadrosaurs..

[sullen cairn]

why do i even try anymore

[outer tusk]

because you live to keep trying

[fluid inlet]

We always try and never get anywhere - Kuitaran

[outer tusk]

BRO BRO DEADASS this is me

[tough parcel]

Me on my way to color my Argentinosaurus as bright neon pink (It's practicing aposematism)

[outer tusk]

Btw Gualicho is the line detail okay?

[tough parcel]

Seems fine

But it hasn't gotten prettier 😭

[cloud breach]

You sure you didnt get the walkeri and cyrto mixed up?

[pliant cedar]

the absolute aura of a hot pink argent walking through argentina

[outer tusk]

I gave it Dominion Giganotosaurus vibes

[tough parcel]

It's the result of using a GAT skeletal

[outer tusk]

True true

[sullen cairn]

this is what i get for my mac taking 20 minutes to save a png last night

[outer tusk]

Hey I don't know jack S about computers but I feel you Table, I really do

[sullen cairn]

i would like to caution that the byu thing is scaling by crest length with the cyrtocristatus type and the only reason i'm permitting it is because it was apparently found in the general vicinity of a big hadrosaur leg that was mentioned once in the 70s and never again

[outer tusk]

I don't think any sane person would use a animal sp. but maybe am thinking way too highly of some nowadays

[fluid inlet]

Triceratops could do the same thing

[warped peak]

Possibly but it'd be a lot harder at it's size.

[drifting knoll]

I’m drawing Iguanodon today, what genus should I reference chat?

[sudden wind]

Iguanodon is the genus

[steady rock]

iguanadon

[tranquil quartz]

Hold up let me attach a leash to my Triceratops and take it swimming. Ill tell you the results

[fluid inlet]

Triceratops would never hang with your species.

[tranquil quartz]

Triceratops are specist?

[light osprey]

Perhaps you were unaware the ginkgo is extant?

[pliant cedar]

you can find fossils ginkgos tho

[steady rock]

now that i think of it, how many ceratopsians actually did live with sauropods? rn i can only think of seirraceratops, torosaurus and sinoceratops

[fluid inlet]

Y’all think triceratops was pushing its weight around like elephants do today or that was more of the sauropods role.

[pliant cedar]

sauropods are so big that that would just be a waste of energy, i doubt the big ones were

[fluid inlet]

How about sauropods like camarsaurus , Shunosaurus , Rapetosaurus

[umbral kite]

It also call dinoism

[gentle vessel]

Def just pushing it's weight around, anything with horns are always angry 24/7

https://tenor.com/view/chasing-meet-six-rescued-rhinos-that-survived-poaching-running-im-coming-rhino-gif-25269586

[warped peak]

Rhinos are not even remotely comparable, they're quite weird animals

[wary panther]

Triceratops is its own special case, or if we really wanted to find a similar analogue probably like a boar or something

[wind prairie]

I'm sure there were also areas where triceratops and alamosaurus overlapped
and I highly doubt sinoceratops was the only asian ceratopsid, if not they could've

[steady rock]

now that i think of it, is sinoceratops the only non american ceratopsid?

[hallow spear]

I dont recall it being, it is for sure the largest tho

[wary panther]

Do you think we might ever find an African/South American Ceratopsian?

[wraith kindle]

That would depend on their ability to island hop and the availability of said landbridges.

[wind prairie]

it is. There are ceratopsians from other places though.
I think people synonymize ceratopsid and ceratopsian but they mean different things.
ceratopsian is a broad grouping, ceratopsid only includes the large four leggers with advanced horns

[hallow spear]

Stegosaurs and Ankylosaurs winning again cause they did reach SA and Africa unlike the feeble ceratopsians

[wary panther]

Ankylosaurs in SA? HOW?!

[wind prairie]

parankylosaurs

[wary panther]

who was eating it?

[wind prairie]

megaraptorans and abelisaurs

[tough parcel]

Perhaps the theropod gastrolith...?

[hallow spear]

gremlins

[light osprey]

Clearly nobody ate any of the small animals here. That’s why all the mammals got so big

[wary panther]

Just think of the other cool existing future mammal fauna we could of have if another 2% of them survived

[fluid inlet]

As a collector I think it’s better to purchase sauropods with a lot of data and material like Camarasaurus rather than argentinosaurus because so much is subjected to change.

Reasonable reasons right?

[velvet burrow]

Ye pretty much

[light osprey]

They didn’t reach it so much as just have been there the whole time.

[wary panther]

Correct

[wary panther]

Reasonable

[fluid inlet]

Anyone know what are some more very well studied sauropods other than Camarasaurus and dreadnoughtus that are also big for sauropod sizes ?

[compact leaf]

supersaurus is decent and diplodocus is very good in terms of remains even if its internal taxonomy gets wonky

[wary panther]

What about Apatosaurus?

[fluid inlet]

Definitely adding all these to a list, the one I didn’t know was well preserved and studied was supersaurus

[umbral kite]

what bigger patatgotitan pr argent

[fluid inlet]

Ironically all of these are from the Jurassic period. Another reason Jurassic period > Cretaceous period

[fluid inlet]

wtf is notocolossus and why is no one talking about it

https://x.com/tm9380/status/1824028981709959496?s=46

Taylor McCoy 🦖 (@TM9380) on X

Though it was described 8 years ago and ranks as one of the largest known dinosaurs, Notocolossus still flies under the radar among giant titanosaurs. I see shockingly little paleoart of this southern colossus…

Twitter · Aug 15, 2024, 10:22 AM

[velvet burrow]

Arg
But this reminds me that Patagotitan is also decently known for such a massive titanosaur

[fluid inlet]

It’s such a shame we no longer have material of the Indian titan 😭

https://x.com/peak4651/status/1829210812831150538?s=46 okay I’m done yapping

Jessica bababi 🍒 (@Peak4651) on X

Day 33 The Lost Giant “Bruhathkayosaurus” Giant from 🇮🇳🦕✨
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#Bruhathkayosaurus #Titanosauria #Sauropod #50dayofsauropod

Twitter · Aug 29, 2024, 5:33 PM

[hallow spear]

They would have had to have originated from somewhere though

[hallow spear]

Its similar to patsgo size yuty has a skeletal of out

[light osprey]

Some sort of Jurassic supercontinent presumably

[hallow spear]

I think it was theorised that they may have started out somewhere in the late early, or somewhere in the middle Jurassic

[drifting condor]

Was saltasaurus able to defend itself if any carnivore tried to hunt in besides its armor

[stiff osprey]

A tail whip would be quite painful

[light osprey]

The Soroavisaurus would be no match for the debilitating tail whip

[rancid crescent]

do you know how accurate pot achillobator is

[stiff osprey]

Good thing too, otherwise it would make short work of the Saltasaurus's armor

[steady rock]

whats the size of patsgo yuty

[fluid inlet]

https://youtu.be/8x0eUMCBbxk?si=eL6LE__IMN6Vsiw9 I’ll answer the question for you. No you wouldn’t.

[wind prairie]

why not, there are like no sizeable land predators, but the land animals there are are just big enough to kill and eat

[tulip dove]

Nah I'm built different

[sterile trail]

This haunts my dreams

Oh, this too

[wind prairie]

don't go in water = don't get whorled
use the extra oxygen to make a fire more easily to cook a giant bug or amphibian on

[sterile trail]

If I see a damn Arthropleura I'm shittin bricks

[wind prairie]

I mean yeah but think about a few minutes, get over it and cook it over a fire

[crude latch]

No cause all the oxygen would kill me

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/slvrhwk_paleo/status/1856162266338734284?s=46 wut

Cy Marchant (@SlvrHwk_paleo) on X

In case anyone's struggling to visualize a ~14 meter ankylosaur . . . it's big.

Twitter · Nov 12, 2024, 2:29 AM

[halcyon cobalt]

can someone compare that to a hyrax or aardvark?

[steady rock]

what.

[fluid inlet]

https://x.com/bomber_triple/status/1819137650441572429?s=46 I feel like I’m being rickrolled but a lot of people are saying it’s legit

TripleBomber (@bomber_triple) on X

Holysh*t.

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 10:26 PM

https://x.com/lynxissogay/status/1819129297442840877?s=46

World Champion Lumity Stan (@LynxIsSoGay) on X

@Mapusart23 @Paleonyx_Art Even as teeth and a partial fibula, this thing is gigantic

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 9:53 PM

[scenic flame]

Well yes but actually no*