paleontology

[somber nebula]

Cretaceous Argentina in general was a war zone

[dry kindle]

how did hadrosaurs walk?

[somber nebula]

Mfw a solid portion of all known mega theropods are from that area, not accounting for the several Abelisaurids, Allosauroids, Noasaurids, Megaraptorans, etc that potentially those environments

[halcyon cobalt]

with they legs

[compact leaf]

true derived hadrosaurs primarily moved quadrupedally but could rear up and walk on two legs as well, probably while running

with more basal things like iguanodonts it’s more of a case by case thing, some of them were totally bipedal

[dry kindle]

Sorry, maybe I should've been more specific. What did the hadrosaur walking gait look like?

[bright veldt]

Eh not quite true. Ornithopods are ancestrally biped but became more quadropedal as time progressed. Hadrosaurs in particular might've looked around and foraged high areas bipedally but they likely walked and ran quadropedally.

[compact leaf]

I’m not sure how what I said contradicts that

I was meaning things that are just slightly more basal than hadrosaurs where posture gets variable as it shifts to quadrupedalism, not going all the way back to basal ornithopods

[compact leaf]

to answer this though it generally just ends up being assumed to be similar to the “elephant gait” where both legs swing on one side

[dry kindle]

thank you

[nova wind]

Question, since mosasaurus is related to modern day squamata (especially to the members of the varanidae) would it have looked more streamlined like modern day cetaceans or would it have been more rough and scaly and have a lizard like head

Lizard like depictions

[warped peak]

Probably somewhere inbetween

[tough parcel]

Modern cetaceans, we have mosasaur scale impressions and they are teeny tinyyy

[nova wind]

Ah okay 👌 thanks

[plucky basin]

talkin about mosasaurs

[warped peak]

those are extreme measurements

[halcyon cobalt]

seems a lil larger than what I usually see for it

[plucky basin]

well those are the size depiction i saw

[warped peak]

I've not seen a weight estimate over 10 tons for mosa for a good while

[halcyon cobalt]

10t and like 13m is more accurate I’m plausible sure

[ancient crystal]

Finall I have an easy rebuttal to the next person who tries to tell me mosa was 20 tons

[sullen cairn]

Bunker bonker Mensa Penza why can’t you lizard people be normal

[plucky basin]

so how heavy should mosasaur be?

[chilly knot]

like 10t

[plucky basin]

and tylo?

[chilly knot]

prolly more than that for the largest

[plucky basin]

TYLOSAURUS IS HEAVIER THAN MOSASAURUS?

[light osprey]

Tylosaurus was in fact 4 gazillion tonnes

[chilly knot]

🤫 🧏

[warped peak]

Tylosaurus weighed 5

[plucky basin]

5 tons ok

[warped peak]

No, not tons

[plucky basin]

then 5 what?

[chilly knot]

5x your mother

[plucky basin]

funny

[warped peak]

lightyears

[steep needle]

what

[lucid ibex]

This, ladies and gentlemen, might be the single worst therizinosaurus ever

[tame tapir]

Its fingers has like 5 joints 😭

[nova wind]

Its hand looks broken

[stiff osprey]

that's why he's screaming at the sky

[tough parcel]

Insert "Big Enough" screaming guy

[sand silo]

Pronation nation lads

[lucid ibex]

Hot take: Therizinosaurus has had a rough time in the palaeomedia ringer

Like I get that it’s physiology is freaking weird but. MAN. They keep massacring my boy.

[tough parcel]

Theri has been in like...2 big media things (Chased by Dinosaurs and JWD)

[sand silo]

It does not help that it's hands were broken in it's latest incarnation-

[lucid ibex]

I wish it got more screen time in Prehistoric Planet

[sand silo]

Yeah that's probably going to be the most respect Theri will only get in paleomedia ;-;

[lucid ibex]

I am a Theri enjoyer this Theri mistreatment breaks my heart. I demand justice!

[tough parcel]

Ohhh haha right, it appeared in PP didn't it

[lucid ibex]

For like…30 seconds.

[tough parcel]

Anyways, I wouldn't hold my breath for "Therizinosaurus justice" because assumedly, you're looking for paleo-accuracy and if done, the creator would likely be aware of the study where Therizino's claws were found to be terrible at anything

[sand silo]

Then how on Pangea could Theri even grow to massive sizes if it couldn't defend itself ;-;

[tough parcel]

Spite

[sand silo]

interesting answer indeed, then again it's in a much better position than Spino. Who keeps suffering every time a paper is made on it

[tough parcel]

Ehh not really haha

Theri hasn't had any new fossils since the holotype (which is an incomplete arm) while Spino has a significantly more complete skeleton found "recently" and thus has become a study victim. The issue is that it's really only like 2 camps of people studying the skeleton/animal so it's become a war between two opinions and neither want to change

[sand silo]

Ah, it's so fun to be a dinosaur and paleolover nowadays. /J

[tough parcel]

Well...I mean people should be expecting change in a field that deals with things that usually can be understood better

It's like groaning and complaining when an early access game gets an update

[sand silo]

Cough the state of the entire dinosaur survival genre Cough-

[tough parcel]

I mean yea

[tame tapir]

This,…..

[sand silo]

But seriously the entire genre is at it's infancy at this point- [like our timeline equivalent is when the original Doom game came out]

[tame tapir]

Gotta let em cook,….

[sullen cairn]

Incorrect, logic dictates an herbivore must be capable of effortlessly gutting any contemporary large carnivore

[tough parcel]

Wtf...so true...

[heady thunder]

Comes in, breaks branches, leaves

[lucid ibex]

refuses to elaborate

gigachad theme

[tame tapir]

It was insulting,……. To say the least

[lucid ibex]

I really hope that BotM makes a theri maybe. Just as a standalone model because while I do appreciate they’re going to be releasing armourless versions too I think the Cyberzoic is a bit silly

[outer tusk]

Therizinosaurus by safari ltd is gas

[open compass]

Pot rex?

[tough parcel]

Huh

[outer tusk]

that's not POT rex but okay

[native kindle]

..i think it was a question. categorized by the question mark.

[tough parcel]

Yes, I know but the "Huh" is "How did you reach that conclusion"

[outer tusk]

^^^

[native kindle]

looks Vaguely PoT rex shaped ? idk im guessing they're asking if that's the skeletal PoT used

[tough parcel]

I'm fairly certain the skeletal came out after PoT's rex

[stiff osprey]

The T.rex looks like the T.rex?

[outer tusk]

it did

[native kindle]

(it totally did but let's pretend)

[outer tusk]

why?

[tough parcel]

For the meme

[plucky basin]

i started to do the cenozoic era, heres megalania

[barren lagoon]

thoughts on my tyranosaur model

[tranquil quartz]

Btw it would be V. priscus in the species box

[plucky basin]

Ill fix that

[plucky basin]

i find your tyrannosaur model good but its just the teeth size/shape and hand position that kinda make it derpy

[barren lagoon]

ok

this is a better veiw of the head

[rocky haven]

Is anyone else having a bunch of network errors every 5 minutes cause that’s not fun lol

[plucky basin]

it says megalodon weighed 50 tons, is that correct? it seems a bit exageratted

[fallow citrus]

megalodon could get even bigger 👁️

[woeful falcon]

definitely not exaggerated. there are estimates for even larger

[plucky basin]

5 mosasaurus weigh as much as 1 megalodon...

[woeful falcon]

yeah, mosasaurus are puny next to megalodons

[plucky basin]

gosh i didnt realise that the size of the megalodon in meg is accurate...

[woeful falcon]

it's a whale hunter

[heady thunder]

Still couldnt hold a candle to the greatest whale hunter of all time, H.Sapiens.

[woeful falcon]

💪

[plucky basin]

boom!

[bright veldt]

Megalania is around 600 kg

[plucky basin]

imma fix that

[bright veldt]

We also basically have the whole size range of megalodon due to the sheer amount of teeth and better modern methods of determining size. Adult megalodon seem to range from 14 meters and 35 tons to 20 meters and 100+ tons. The typical size people go with to represent them in general tends to be 15-16 meters and 50-60 tons. Whatever you wanna go with really.

[lucid ibex]

PNSO Theri is also very gud

[stiff estuary]

Is the 50 ton estimate for Meg, after the newly adjusted body plan? I saw a paper recently stating that it was probably proportionally longer than great whites, which are what were usually used as a comparison. 🤔🦈

[bright veldt]

That paper isn't really good. It's based on an anatomical assumption with sharks that wasn't correct.

[unreal flare]

Hi guyw

[plucky basin]

your name looks like calcium

[white matrix]

you gotta face it,Spinosaurus was the apex of the aquatic dinosaurs

[bright veldt]

If it even was

[fresh lotus]

uh

no

[white matrix]

ok boy give me some info for your different conclusion

[fresh lotus]

“boy” is crazy

[bright veldt]

We don't really know if spinosaurus was aquatic or not. I think it makes sense but paleontologists seem to be too busy arguing over stuff that's basic common sense.

I love people spending thousands of thousands of dollars to answer the real questions like "Can spinosaurus SWIM?"

[white matrix]

to be honest if the skeletons is resembling more that to a croc than a rex it is more presumably for it to be a some what semi aquatic

[fresh lotus]

doesn’t this all trail back to Ibrahims’ false statements about spinosaurus

I thought we concluded that, it infact, could not swim

[frosty anvil]

It literally has a long snout and an axolotl like tail how the hell could it not swim

[white matrix]

we can only know a bit of how it looks kid but we will never know how it behaves.If only Jurassic park were real in a near future

[sullen cairn]

Ahoy there shashbuckler

[frosty anvil]

It clearly has physical adaptations FOR swimming, it looks like an aquatic so like how is it not

[white matrix]

exactly,if it looks like a swimmer its a swimmer.Havent you guys seen the latest bone uncovering from the spinosaurids?

[bright veldt]

In a nutshell. You have the two "teams" who are making different arguments. Team Ibrihim argues that spinosaurus is an aquatic pursuit predator while Team Sereno is arguing that it's a terrestrial wader. The problem with the current argument between these two groups is that both sides are failing at basic common sense. For Team Ibrihim, let's just say for argument sake that spinosaurus is aquatic. Why would it be a pursuit predator? The original study that suggested it was semi-aquatic showed that spinosaurus probably wasn't as good of a swimmer as crocodiles were, who themselves are notably bad at pursuit predation. They're ambush predators. Why would spinosaurus be a pursuit predator in that case. For Team Sereno....it's like........ Spinosaurus lived around water. Spinosaurus hunted aquatic prey that lived in said water. Most animals can swim, let alone those that regularly integrate with that evironment like spinosaurus. This is basic common sense. Why would such an animal being able to swim be so controversial?

[fresh lotus]

The “axolotl like tail” isn’t 100% accurate.

Also @bright veldt yeah 💀

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0298957

[white matrix]

You cannot tell us how it behaves young sprout,you can only imagine and give opinions as all of us.Its just that you need to look at the BONES!

[sullen cairn]

Calm yourself old bean

[fresh lotus]

For reference discord is bugging I meant to reply to this message, sorry table. #paleontology message

[bright veldt]

It just goes to show that, like. Paleontologists study dinosaurs but that doesn't mean that they understand basic ecological concepts. It's how you get such golden ideas like "T. rex was exclusively a scavenger" and "Terror birds were outcompeted by mammals".

[white matrix]

We cannot say what is the truth,understood! It is the human in Wich puts the limitations

[sullen cairn]

Beautifully put

[fresh lotus]

“Trex was a scavenger” mfs after I explain how much food would be required to sustain an animal of that caliber:

[white matrix]

thank you distinguished,gentle and kind being

[sullen cairn]

The pleasure is mine

[bright veldt]

This paper is a prime example on why I think the whole argument is stupid. The paper in a nutshell says "There is no way of really knowing what they actually were due to the lack of data and a lot of it is deductions with little evidence". This is a very reasonable assumption to make. But then the paleontologists that published this went on twitter and started saying that they disproved spinosaurus was aquatic. YOU. DID. NOT. That is not the same thing.

[white matrix]

It's ok to make accidents.We learn from them don't we?

[fresh lotus]

not really

it shows

[lavish frigate]

Incorrect! The SUPERIOR mammals wiped out the pitiful birds with their highly advanced mammalian cunning and warm blooded superiority….

(Ignore that birds are warm blooded)

[tough parcel]

Wtf…so true…

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/the-killer-dinosaur-dinosaurs-animals-funny-gif-26480804

[lunar finch]

https://tenor.com/view/station19-maya-bishop-hole-puncher-papers-hole-punch-gif-27142575

[steady rock]

https://twitter.com/SlvrHwk_paleo/status/1773954712276258906 new unique stegosaurid dropped that could've had ankylosaur like defenses ( from what i understood )

Cy Marchant (@SlvrHwk_paleo) on X

Reconstructing Thyreosaurus...

This unique stegosaur was recently described as a new species from the Jurassic of Morocco. The fossil material includes several dorsal vertebrae and ribs (mostly similar to other dacentrurines), a limb bone, and six unusual osteoderms. (1/🧵)

Twitter · Mar 30, 2024, 6:05 AM

[sudden wind]

So hard to understand what Thyreosaurus would have been like with the paper's description not providing visual representations.

Here is Dan's for example.

[hot hearth]

does he know

[tame tapir]

I think not

[storm heron]

Crocodiles are bad pursuit predators (underwater)? They seem to be capable of swimming very fast. Unless you mean they generally prefer to hunt though ambush rather than pursuit.

[chilly knot]

Based so fex

[stiff estuary]

I don't think team Sereno ever said that Spino couldn't swim. Or that it even was a bad swimmer. Just that it probably wasn't a good enough swimmer to hunt while swimming. At least that was my understanding. 😄

[white matrix]

Eotrike skeletal anybody?

[white matrix]

Thanks

Trike seems to have larger horns and body proportions than eo trike

[native kindle]

pantydraco the absolute goat for stegosaur descriptions

[sand silo]

Sometimes i wish Hadrosaurs would get the respect they deserve in media

[heady thunder]

You are going to love the PoT lambo update

[sand silo]

You bet i am, Lambeo's finally going to be a multi-ton animal that can beat stuff

[heady thunder]

I have, sad news for you

[tough parcel]

What do you mean by this

[heady thunder]

Bull 50m edmontosaurus in musth

[white matrix]

w-w-what do you m-mean the destructive power of m-mammalian cunning isn't a real thing...

[warped peak]

Mammalian cunning from the smartest species to ever live:

[white matrix]

such long-lasting energy, if they went up against a tyrannosaur they might well win

[warped peak]

Mammals aren't dumb

But there's very few that are that much smarter than dinosaurs in all likelihood, and that doesn't mean a huge difference when you're typically severely outclassed

[fresh lotus]

the superior mammal cunning

[white matrix]

tbh, if we're going by outliers, the smartest mammals also drastically outclass your average mammal, and so would the smartest birds

[fresh lotus]

hohoho the superior mammal intelligence overcomes the war of evolution

[heady thunder]

I mean, the opportunity was there, you gotta prove if the guy is lying about the pain

[warped peak]

Most people just don't have a concrete understanding of the variance of intelligence

[outer tusk]

what

[errant iron]

Everyone I need confirmation

Is the Stegoceratops accurate, and does the script sound good?

[lavish frigate]

It looks like if prehistoric kingdom did hybrids and I love it lol

[tough parcel]

Is the frill keratin covered or scales?

Brow horns should (likely) not follow the bone, but instead curve upwards a bit. Extent is up to you

You can add the lil frill spikes that younger trikes had cause while the bone may be reabsorbed, can't really do that with a keratin sheath

Imo add a little jugal spike (spike on the cheekbone)

[bright veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxObK6kyIIg

I know I usually am critical of Vividen for bringing attention to remains not worthy of it, but I think emphasizing the fact we do in-fact have had multiple tyrannosaurus found together is kind of relevant.

In a nutshell, Sue wasn't alone when she died. There was also a subadult and two juveniles with her. I'm not convinced it's evidence of gregeriousness akin to the other mass-tyrannosaur sites, since the rest of the tyrannosaurs aside from Sue are very fragmentary, and they have evidence of cannibalism, which might suggest that this was a largely cannibalistic event, but it's interesting regardless.

[lavish frigate]

I love how the evidence is totally up to interpretation and not entirely compelling for gregarious behavior or for non gregarious behavior and yet the video is titled like we found 16 individuals all together sitting around a petrified family sized dinner table saying a family prayer before digging in to their thanksgiving Anzu

[bright veldt]

I wouldn't go that far. It's a general summary of what evidence we have of tyrannosaurus group behavior (TLDR not a lot).

[light osprey]

Weren’t many things recovered from the Sue locality that were distinctly not Tyrannosaurs

[sudden wind]

Nanotyrannosaur and Pigmyceratops...

[errant iron]

It could be stated that Stegoceratops had a mix of keratin and scales

• this is based on T. prorsus, not horridus

But how is the script

[tough parcel]

This changes nothing, both have the same brow horns

[errant iron]

Ok fine. Push that aside. How about the rest

[tough parcel]

Well Trike had a scaly frill last I checked, not a mix

[errant iron]

This is Stegoceratops, a hybrid between Stegosaurus and Triceratops

[tough parcel]

...

What accuracy are you looking for then?

[errant iron]

Is this a good blend? No creative liberties

If that’s too hard, then look at the script

[bright veldt]

Sir this is paleochat. This isn't in this chat's field of expertise. I think it's understandable as to why we aren't really on the same pg rn.

[tough parcel]

"Good blend" is up to you

Accuracy is what I've listed, (mostly) factual information of the dinosaurs used and how the drawing does not adhere to said information

[woeful falcon]

Seeing as Stegosaurus does not have a frill, it is probably more optimal to go with the scaley frill that trike has

And by probably more optimal I mean do that

[tough parcel]

^^^ If I didn't say that, I said it in my head so it counts

[errant iron]

Alr bye!

[zinc solstice]

This is random but why are there no basal thyreophorans found that look more like stegosaurids than to nodosaurids

[tough parcel]

This is like the 2nd or 3rd time they've asked for accuracy checks and then left in a huff when given accuracy checks

[woeful falcon]

Oh wah. Stegoceratops isn't real you can do whatever you want with it. But if you're asking for questions on accuracies, then hear people out. You don't have the answers, it's why you're asking

[tough parcel]

Eh, c'est la vie

I assume they've muted and blocked everyone here so matters not

[woeful falcon]

Ah well, onto the next topic!

[native kindle]

which is the conspiracy that big paleo is trying to hide from you all ..

[halcyon cobalt]

big phylogenetics is hiding the fact that this is not in fact your grandpa

[plucky basin]

speakin of these two

[outer tusk]

Ichthy is fine but Concave is way too small

[scenic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY1C4khAlgE

[vast sedge]

what are the images from?

[plucky basin]

from the same roblox game: Prior Extinction

[vast sedge]

omg I knew I recognized those

[plucky basin]

pretty good game if i do say so myself

[little umbra]

How do we know kaprosuchus had long legs?

[vast sedge]

we don't

iirc it's believed that kapro had longer legs because of the way its eyes face forwards or something

[plucky basin]

speaking of the guy

[warped peak]

Definitely not a Piscivore

[vast sedge]

I think kapro was land based

[plucky basin]

why not?

[warped peak]

Those teeth are very bad for piscivory

[stiff osprey]

they are normal croc teeth though. Just has extra tusks

[plucky basin]

mk i'll fix that

[sullen cairn]

its also from the cenomanian echkar which is in niger

[woeful falcon]

Those legs, ick

[lavish frigate]

It didn’t it has zero evidence for it and it’s relatives legs are pretty normal

[outer tusk]

For Monquirasaurus, what should I change or add about this?

[halcyon cobalt]

a widdle bow tie

[outer tusk]

Better

[little umbra]

I had to research it

Basically eye placement, and neck muscles placement.

[outer tusk]

so how should I change it?

Better?

[plucky basin]

fat whale

[scenic flame]

It's eyes weren't forward facing

[outer tusk]

Gabriel's Kaprosuchus is underrated

[barren lagoon]

thoughts on my Suchomimus

[woeful falcon]

Not bad except for one big bad thing

Pronated hands

[outer tusk]

and the overall body

[woeful falcon]

Based on Franoys's skeletal if I had to guess from the looks of it

[barren lagoon]

yes

[light osprey]

I assumed the appearance of pronation was more so the angle of the humerus

[barren lagoon]

is the refrence i used a big problem

[woeful falcon]

I wouldn't call it a big problem, just a problem of being an older recon. I don't know the particular details on if one is more accurate than the other, but I'm under the impression that Dan's is currently the most optimal to use

[bright veldt]

Dan's was made after more suchomimus remains were found

[woeful falcon]

It looks like the tweaks wouldn't be too hard, save for maybe the longer torso

[barren lagoon]

when i make my models i dont usualy think about the age of the recon so thank you for pointing it out because i will start doing that

[woeful falcon]

Yep! If you have any questions on if its good for reference, usually someone here can tell you or provide a good reference for you, so don't be afraid to ask

And in time you'll kinda learn your way around the skeletal artists

[barren lagoon]

is my carchar ok?

[woeful falcon]

Googly eye

Your sucho, def better than your carch from the looks of it lol

[sullen cairn]

cristatusaurus may or may not be suchomimus and all proposed autapomorphies are with the premaxilla
suchomimus' holotype effectively doesn't contain cranial material and any skull material is referred

[woeful falcon]

Hip dip reminds me of dan's but not the rest of it. What was the reference for this one

[barren lagoon]

ah its hard to judge the eye size like i think my tyanosaur has a good size eye

[outer tusk]

Is your rex meant to be accurate?

[sullen cairn]

has there even been any new sucho material in the past like decade

[bright veldt]

There has been recently yes.

[outer tusk]

Me wishing spinosaurus was reclassified into a new suchomimus species

[sullen cairn]

oh sweet

[bright veldt]

Ye

[barren lagoon]

yes at least decently, and yes i know the head is small

[outer tusk]

Well may I ask what skeletal or reference did you use?

[barren lagoon]

this

[outer tusk]

better reference

[barren lagoon]

thanks

[sullen cairn]

mfw 0.5% difference in length (symbol of decadence)

ft elrhaz being a wretched formation

[stiff osprey]

kem kem as told by planet dinosaur

[plucky basin]

whos that little cyan guy back there?

oh yeah kryptops, forgot it for a moment

or is it?

[sullen cairn]

Bingo

[plucky basin]

okay his name is bingo

btw, WHICH CENOZOIC ANIMALS WOULD YOU WANNA SEE IN MY WIP WORDS PAGE??

[sullen cairn]

The mighty borophagus

[plucky basin]

this guy? hes pretty interesting

[native kindle]

is there a reason the one in PoT is such gargantuan sizes, or is tiny kryptops some kind of meme

[bright veldt]

The one in PoT is big because they didn't care about accurate size. It's that simple.

[sullen cairn]

Incorrect sizes? In my dinosaur video game? It’s more likely than I think?

[earnest galleon]

Nanotyranus is a real specie

(i wanna see the world burning)

[native kindle]

i guess a better question is, why do a lot sources have it at like 6 meters ish

[sullen cairn]

a) as a rule of thumb abelisaur estimates in the literature are unfathomably terrible b) kryptops might be the single worst abelisaur taxon in terms of material c) previous kryptops postcrania has been reassigned to an allosauorid or something

[bright veldt]

Abelisaur size estimates are all over the place, and traditionally have gotten smaller over time.

[flint stream]

blud nigersaurus still sorter than sucho

[bright veldt]

You can understand why sucho's a firmly terrestrial animal. Boi is so damn big there's nothing stopping him on land from doing what he wants.

[native kindle]

the suchosaur takes what it wants

[sullen cairn]

i like how several elrhaz animals have been incorrectly upsized in the past and then there's sucho casually growing an extra like 2t in the span of a year

[bright veldt]

RIGHT. T. rex has taken a break from the protein shakes and sucho is now exponentionally growing. S T O P

[halcyon cobalt]

just like T rex…

[flint stream]

was it apex predator of its region ? or else just fully fish eater

[bright veldt]

Like all other spinosaur it's primarily a fish eater. Doesn't mean it wouldn't have taken other prey though, and when you're the largest animal in the entire region that can be a lot of things.

[scenic flame]

I think very vaguely it's the grizzly of it's ecosystem, with eocarcharia being the wolf, not a perfect analogy but the best I can think of

[sullen cairn]

elrhaz desperately needs an herbivore thats actually like bigger than the large carnivores

[plucky basin]

like a sauropod?

[sullen cairn]

they have one its just that sauropod is nigersaurus

[halcyon cobalt]

giant ghost lineage therizinosaur obviously

[light osprey]

Isn’t there another one

[sullen cairn]

not really

[light osprey]

What does that mean

[sullen cairn]

no

[light osprey]

K

[halcyon cobalt]

elrhaz formation ghost lineage giant stegosaur when

[scenic flame]

unironically a possiblity at this rate

[sullen cairn]

there is paleobiodbd's magic elrhaz brachiosaur but i'm pretty the source they cite explicitly says there wasn't any brachiosaur material so i think its just on something

[bright veldt]

Africa doesn't have the strongest fossil history. It feels like you can jump at any point in time on the continent and you'll have no idea what the composition of dinosaur fauna is like.

[scenic flame]

india when

[sullen cairn]

also congrats to taquet for predicting nigersaurus

[halcyon cobalt]

this year there will be a discovery in Antarctica that reshapes out understanding on thyreophoren evolution trust me

[scenic flame]

thyreophorans have really earned the title of cryptid clade these last few years

[light osprey]

Idk if the great mystery of Africa’s Cretaceous megafauna is totally true. I’ve only invested time into understanding its fossil record during the Maastrichtian, but you can get a more or less good idea of the charismatic fauna

[halcyon cobalt]

jakapil was a sneak peak

[sullen cairn]

i too love morocco and maybe parts of egypt

[white matrix]

Cenozoic nodosaurs fought off those giant terror birds in the eocene

[sullen cairn]

actually i think lurdusaurus might be slightly larger than eocarcharia so nevermind elrhaz is saved

[halcyon cobalt]

the last dinosaur…

[light osprey]

The Elrhaz was simply too productive and well vegetated for the gigantic Colossosaurians to have frequented it often

[white matrix]

What the freezing of Antarctica took from us...

[halcyon cobalt]

what if in 2 years we find a live phorusracid on Antarctica eating a penguin

[white matrix]

I think that would go pretty hard

[plucky basin]

guys could you make a survival dinosaur game roster for me im lazy

[white matrix]

House sparrow, american crow, peregrine falcon

[plucky basin]

thats not what i expected but i cant say im not satisfied...

[halcyon cobalt]

kelenken, sylviornis, elephant bird, pachystruthio, annakacygna, titanis, haast eagle

[plucky basin]

i mean for the mesozoic

[halcyon cobalt]

someone make a list of Mesozoic birds

[white matrix]

Ischigualasto formation

[plucky basin]

guys i dont want birds in general i want NON-AVIAN DINOSAURS

[halcyon cobalt]

late Cretaceous Mongolia would be cool

[white matrix]

Triassic representation when...

[sullen cairn]

triassic isn't real mesozoic smh

[halcyon cobalt]

no tyrannosaurs? BORING!!!

[white matrix]

How can I enjoy this Mesozoic ecosystem when there aren't any megatheropods???

[plucky basin]

when i mean roster what do you guys think i mean

[sullen cairn]

like a male chicken right

[halcyon cobalt]

a list of dinosaurs for a game?

[white matrix]

Anything other than the bajillionth assorted Mesozoic grab bag roster

[plucky basin]

exactly, with different and unique playstyle

[halcyon cobalt]

and late Cretaceous Mongolia would be that right?

[plucky basin]

tbh yeah... if u think about it

[halcyon cobalt]

only like 2 carnivores tho afaik

[white matrix]

New fighting game: burly bird beatdown

[halcyon cobalt]

elephant bird glass cannon bleeder

[white matrix]

i sea path of titans has mor acret dinos

[dry kindle]

What type of tongue did hesperornis likely have?

[white matrix]

idk

[dry kindle]

Someone who does please?

[void locust]

Like penguin or puffin tongues ?

[kindred lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-black-guy-what-akward-gif-26811297

[flint stream]

when then ?

[viscid surge]

[sharp canyon]

Does anyone have a visualizer for the size of Vectidraco?

[halcyon cobalt]

I feel so bad for every aquatic reptile except for plesiosaurs. it must suck being not the best

[halcyon cobalt]

boom or doom animal?

[zinc solstice]

Galeaspids are better

[void scroll]

does anyone know of any realism servers that only have Cenozoic creatures?

[hushed fossil]

Not the appropiate chat to ask this

[atomic hawk]

Skorpiovenator is just the GOAT

[atomic hawk]

Would be cool to see it in Path of titans because there’s only one official Abelisaurid (Pycnonemosaurus) and it would make for a nice playable

[sullen cairn]

its a crying shame 80% of skorpiovenator recons are ruined by paleojoe's pathetic excuse for a tail

[light osprey]

The Pug Dinosaur…

[sudden wind]

Lipless and better fin shape

[outer tusk]

yeah I fixed the fin shape but I think am gonan keep it lipped

[late bone]

did microraptor had a small beak?

[bright veldt]

No

[flint stream]

hoooo boy

[tough parcel]

Why? Pliosaur teeth aren't horribly splayed, but they still are

[outer tusk]

idk Joschue depicted his Sachiasaurus with lips ig

[tough parcel]

Yea? Doesn't make it right

[outer tusk]

oh okay

[tough parcel]

It's like saying "Hodari portrayed Gasosaurus as using toxic gas to defend itself, that must mean it's right"

[outer tusk]

I mean iicr he mentioned something about lips in pliosaurs but forgot what it was but yeah I'll just add the teeth in

[bright veldt]

It's an error.

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1208863758768799765/1223842074504462487/Paja_formation.png?ex=661b52c0&is=6608ddc0&hm=ec21986f4464feb98d3c341cdc27f944bdc126cbe274142dc3b6dbe74531e808&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=657 yeah which is sad cause it looks so natural

[woeful falcon]

on the contrary, I think it looks less natural because of how pliosaur teeth are

[viscid surge]

[pure summit]

hi

[faint rampart]

howdy..

[tough parcel]

Hola

[junior dawn]

here's a thread by Tosha about lips that you might be interested in
https://twitter.com/fishboy86164577/status/1764681785970250062

Tosha (@fishboy86164577) on X

@ARGAtheropodfan A lot of plesiosaurs have teeth that tightly interlock and splay out laterally. On top of that, they came from ancestors with similarly wild dentition. This arose in tandem with a new feeding strategy, a rapid lateral strike. Similar behavior is seen in crocs and lipless whales

Twitter · Mar 4, 2024, 3:58 PM

[outer tusk]

Yeah that

[flint stream]

aren't pliosaurus and plesiosaurus don't have any lip evidence ?

[woeful falcon]

Basically that tweet thread above describes the thought behind their liplessness

[flint stream]

not knowing how short skorpiovenator tails are

[halcyon cobalt]

dunkleosteus sized antiarch when

[vast sedge]

I saw an article where someone suggested therizinosaurus could be related to modern sloths because of its claws and I'm may not be a paleonerd but that's some bullcrap lmao

[native kindle]

you see... the mammalian cunning let Xenarthrans like Megatherium evolve during the Cretaceous!

[flat pond]

Liking some of the new images for Prehistoric Kingdom’s animals

[tame tapir]

Yooooo the pachyrhino!!!!

[fossil ingot]

PK does have great designs yeah

[white matrix]

I hope all of these EXCEPT TORVO become a mod for pot. Oh wait wrong channel my bad

[crude latch]

Arg and Acro are already in PoT and so is Nasuto and Ed, and para, etc

[woeful falcon]

And Torvo lol

[random relic]

apatosaurus not yet, feels sad

[vast sedge]

pachyrhinosaurus perotorum my beloved

[open compass]

Interesting, juvi tyrannosaurus has lips in PK

[heady thunder]

I mean, if youre going to depict the adult as lipped, makes sense for the baby to be as well.

[white matrix]

Adults aren't fully lipped

[lavish frigate]

Adults aren’t fully lipped

[heady thunder]

Well, then you can just say they grow out larger at adult

[white matrix]

Also, the adolescent rex in the back looks beautiful

[outer tusk]

hey Sergi are you online

[junior dawn]

hi

[outer tusk]

nvm but in a separate me and another person we're arguing what meraxes skeletal to use and I argued yours was more reliably than that of liam's and I was wondering is that true?

[junior dawn]

cant comment much on liams cause i havent looked at it, but i believe they both need some updates

[outer tusk]

okay well I can't wait

[wintry path]

new oxalaia cranial

reminds me of suchomimus

[heady thunder]

They found material for it?

[wintry path]

carchar is so beautiful 😭

[wintry path]

new study material i suppose

[junior dawn]

yeah, for april fools

[scenic flame]

still april 1st guys

[light osprey]

Spoiled all the fun 😢

[wintry path]

:>

[flint stream]

thats fire 🔥

[vernal anvil]

Damn i wish the flightless pterosaur was real

[heady thunder]

All pterosaurs can be flightless, just slash their wings

[light osprey]

Quetzalcoatlus the ground stalker….

[lavish frigate]

Theoretically could a large azdarchid survive without its wings?

[light osprey]

A theoretical sort of idk

[limpid silo]

That spino is beautiful 🥹

[sharp dragon]

i dont think PK has EVER missed with one of their dino designs

[vast sedge]

oxalaia lore drop

[white matrix]

hesperornis is the true swimming dinosaur no cap

[tough parcel]

Woolly Pachyrhino and half-lipped rex want to talk to you

[sharp dragon]

I'll be happy to talk with them about how baller they look thank you

[tough parcel]

(They're horrid)

[junior dawn]

and the torvo

[stiff osprey]

Wooly Pachyrhino is wrong but it has always looked cool, anyone who says otherwise is a hater

Half lipped rex, however, manages to be both wrong and not cool, an impressive feat

[bright veldt]

^ Either make it lipped or not lipped. Halfway looks lame.

[crude latch]

I agree, I hate the way they did the feathers on Pachyrhino. They literally just made it saggy fur.

[tough parcel]

I am woolly Pachyrhino's biggest hater (I destroyed the feather impressions from the Pachyrhinosaurus bonebed)

[white matrix]

wooly peachy sucks man its a rhino but fluffy

[crude latch]

🤮

[white matrix]

oh fric no that ain't got a place in my heart

[solar gull]

Kinda random but why does the struthi TLC look so shrinkwrapped to me

Bro looks starved

[crude latch]

THIS ONE THO

[white matrix]

because the struthi is annoying

[solar gull]

Not really. I never had a problem with em.

[crude latch]

Love this Pachyrhino, not this one

[white matrix]

that peachy is garbage,who the fric made it like it was living alongside the mamoth

[solar gull]

PK is....ok

I do love the fairly accurate designs (least for out current understanding), but the gameplay is a biiit boring to me and I also wish it had more dinosaurs then mammals

[remote seal]

Does the spino turn faster than trike?

[tough parcel]

It's not, people are just...really really really unaware of what shrinkwrapping is nowadays which isn't your fault, it's just that the word has lost its meaning now

[ancient crystal]

Que the person on twitter that turned triceratops into a hippo

[light osprey]

Erm Shrinkwrapped much? Why doesn’t it look like an overweight Seal Lion

[stiff osprey]

I don't know if you mean in game or in real life, but either way, no

[remote seal]

Can spino turn faster than trike

[tough parcel]

What

[flint stream]

pachyrhinosaurus with musk ox trait is mid. simple yet easy taking

[lavish frigate]

What does this mean

[flint stream]

this ?

[lavish frigate]

Aaaaah

Twas confusing since it wasn’t a reply and there’s stuff in between

[flint stream]

i always seeing this kind of pachyrhinosaurus with this fur dentation. btw. P. perotorum is the only northen subspecies rest of the other so that's why i like imagining what P. perotorum may look resemble to musk oxes

[lavish frigate]

Tbh they probably didn’t need feathers to any large extent. They are already pretty big animals. If you give pachyrino fluff prepare to give edmontosaurus fluff (ik Edmont is bigger but I feel it still works)

[flint stream]

edmonto with fluff cover give me weird vibes. since artic E. regalis more like reindeer vibes. why not we starting off this kind of trend. and spread this kind of thing to the paleo community

[sharp dragon]

Pk's fluffy pachy and partially lipped rex look nice you cannot convince me otherwise!

[woeful falcon]

Both are false

[heady thunder]

Whats a partially lipped rex? Thatd look goofy

[steep needle]

it has the tips of the upper teeth sticking out, but not the entire tooth

I am a PK adorer and I still think that should be changed, it’s not consistent with their other theropods and looks pretty strange when the mouth is closed sometimes

[woeful falcon]

Even stranger now that juvies are lipped

[steep needle]

yeah, that makes it even weirder. I hope this is a hint that they’re changing it because that would be cool

[woeful falcon]

I believe its not unfortunately. Don't have a quote on hand rn

[heady thunder]

Thats kinda, weird, imo either make it lipped or full upper teeth showing, this pleases no one.

[steep needle]

I know the devs have been asked about it many a time, but I haven’t checked for the most recent statement on it

ah yeah, they said that the baby has the same amount of lip as the adults, just that their teeth are smaller

kind of disappointing but whatever i suppose, when the game is fully released and modding is (hopefully) supported someone will probably mod it in

[woeful falcon]

Disappointing indeed. Trying to find any excuse they can it sounds like

[outer tusk]

ngl I love PK Rex but it's downfall is the lips

[heady thunder]

Wait a min, that thing is peak, minus the arms

[sharp canyon]

I think Tarbo has the same issue in PK as well unfortunately

[outer tusk]

Tyrannosaurus & Tarbosaurus ( rex skin ) all don't have lips

[white matrix]

They do, they only are partially lipped

[outer tusk]

Paritally lipped theropods are not okay

[ancient crystal]

Tbh, partially lipped is worse than no lips, it looks stranger to me somehow - not to say no lips is any good

[white matrix]

I prefer partially lipped than no lips like Indominus Rex or 65's Rexes

Besides, it's an artistic choice, just like crocodile osteoderms on Spinosaurus or Iguanodon

[outer tusk]

I mean on theropods like tyrannosaurus Rex you meant as well either go with lips or no lips

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, one or the other. As much as I prefer lipped theropods, JP did pull lipless off in my opinion yet no other lipless rex in media has really replicated that well, which is where I blame partially lipped as an even stranger looking choice meant to be a compromise between accuracy and whatever aesthetic appeal no lips has

[sharp canyon]

Honestly it makes Rex stick out like a sore thumb next to the super accurate animals that are also in the game

[white matrix]

I mean JP Rex is partially lipped now (idk about 1993 JP). No lipped theropods in the Jurassic Franchise would be Indominus Rex, Indoraptor, Scorpius Rex and Giganotosaurus

[outer tusk]

Honestly in PK recently I reckon my prior opinions on it being a good lipless rex to it's just a miss opportunity to just have a full on lipped rex

[sharp canyon]

At least with the hybrids they had the excuse of crocodile DNA. Giga had no excuse

[outer tusk]

Or the excuse they're hybrids ( please nerf the slowmode in this channel )

[white matrix]

Meh, we have osteodermed Spinosaurus and Iguanodon, so PK is not always SUPER accurate.

[ancient crystal]

I remember 1993 having no lips or that they were so reduced that it hardly mattered

[white matrix]

I forgot about Spinosaurus and Baryonyx having no lips too

[ancient crystal]

Well, at least there is a debate there about if they had them or not

[outer tusk]

Iggy has the excuse because it looks cool

[white matrix]

I mean there is still a debate about lips in theropods overall, there is still some back and forth

[sharp canyon]

To me Rex not having lips feels more like a cop out rather than speculation like in the case of Iggy and Spinos' osteoderms

[white matrix]

Well for Iggy we KNOW they don't have any so no speculation there, just an artistic choice to represent them with osteoderms

[outer tusk]

Even though we legit had a study on tyrannosaurus having lips

[ancient crystal]

Yeah, especially in the context of PK. I'd feel the same about PoT rex but then again, most theropods have a lipless sub in-game

[outer tusk]

Also idc if it's accurate or not this is badass

[sharp canyon]

Exactly, every other non-Spinosaur theropod in PK has lips. Rex and Tarbo lacking them very much feels like they're trying to achieve some sort of ulterior goal or something

[white matrix]

Counter point: based on 1 tooth. I'm all for lipped theropods but proving something with 1 tooth on an IDR how many toothed animal from 1 skull, meh. The best argument for lips is that even basal reptiles do have lips, so lips are the norm not the exception.

And even then, it proves lips on 1 genus of theropods if the tooth was the only argument. There are so many genus and species, so many derived ones that we simply can't generalize that. That's why lips on Spinosauridae is still debated so much

[broken sable]

im lacking the knowloge of dinosaurs after many years

[storm heron]

Just treat them as large and irregular feature scales and it is a fairly accurate and creative depiction of the animal.

[tough parcel]

What? Where did you get the idea that the study was based around a singular tooth?

[tough parcel]

JP rex has consistently been half-lipped

[sharp canyon]

I feel like debating on if dinosaurs had lips or not is like debating if Smilodon had fur

[fallow thistle]

Holaaa

[tough parcel]

[outer tusk]

Hey guys, if anyone have any info on how we are able to identify or classify a lot of prehistoric sharks from just their teeth, I would love to be informed

[silver canopy]

Have we finally decided if dinos were mesotherms or endotherms yet?

everything I can find is from like 2014 and none of them agree on which is correct

[silver canopy]

Personaly I value creativity over accuracy long as you keep the skeleton fairly accurate (ahem.. WORLD)

so yeah prehistoric park meets my criteria for good dino depictions

[stiff osprey]

The word 'mesotherm' doesn't have an agreed on definition, it's a mix of endotherms with low metabolic rates and regional endotherms (which only produce heat in a certain part of the body / at specific times)

Non avian dinosaurs were endotherms with relatively low metabolic rates

[flat pond]

I feel like I have caused chaos with me sharing the new PK images

[tough parcel]

"Caused chaos"
A simple discussion on dinosaur designs

We live in a society where chaos has lost all meaning

[outer tusk]

Agreed

[heady thunder]

I have to agree

[ocean drum]

Same

[outer tusk]

Should I add anymore line detail?

[heady thunder]

Add every muscle fiber

[outer tusk]

Real!

[ocean drum]

If you are lining the whole thing and not just the front maybe some curved vertical lines around the hip to give it the wrinkly look reptiles typically have around there

Or a line in between the leg (s) and stomach similar to how this has it

[outer tusk]

Peak quality!!! Also wouldn't it make more sense to reference a side image

[outer tusk]

Am only lining the front but thx

[ocean drum]

Most side images don’t have that lining because of the legs being parallel to each other and I wanted to give a good example of the lining itself

[outer tusk]

Uhm okay

[tough parcel]

What about me...

[outer tusk]

Also btw regarding Fadneo's Deinosuchus how accurate is it ?

[ocean drum]

Maybe add little notches around the lip area to give it texture

[outer tusk]

How should it look like

[ocean drum]

Similar to how the round bumpy shape around the edges like how it’s portrayed with these

[outer tusk]

God if only the quality helped a little

Btw ig

[ocean drum]

Sadly can’t do anything about the quality sorry

[outer tusk]

Well since this is Daspletosaurus this would be a better reference

[ocean drum]

.

Can’t change the quality but this might be better

[light osprey]

The worst Stegosaurus I’ve seen today (1st one I’ve seen)

[tough parcel]

I am literally going to explode

[light osprey]

Don’t do that silly goose

[heady thunder]

You made it stand, L.

[tough parcel]

Also @outer tusk I'm hesitant to make tyrannosaurs with these large snout scales because the usually cited evidence (the pits) are not found in every tyrannosaur specimen

Heck afaik, not even in every Tyrannosaurus rex specimen

[ocean drum]

I meant the shape of them around the edge not the large scales on the whole of the lip

[tough parcel]

Oh the line? I usually make a distinct line where the actual jaw bone ends

[outer tusk]

Wasn't gonna put it on das anyways but okay

[ocean drum]

Ye cause it has round “indents” along the edge of the lip

[outer tusk]

So where again

[ocean drum]

The end of the lips

[outer tusk]

Ok

[stone tartan]

This would’ve been cool asf to see

[light osprey]

I really hate monkey puzzle trees

They’ve permanently stained all art of the hell creek region

[stone tartan]

Hm

[lavish frigate]

But they be pretty

[light osprey]

Nuh uh

[crude latch]

I just saw one 2 days ago

[white matrix]

shun the monkey puzzle hater

[light osprey]

I love putting the generic Mesozoic tree in places we don’t have evidence of it in

[stiff osprey]

Make references for the trees that existed then

[light osprey]

Perhaps I will…

[stiff osprey]

99.9% of mesozoic plants have no references besides "looked kinda like X modern plant" it's painful

And a good 60% don't even have that

[lavish frigate]

Is this crest to long for a female pteranodon?

[stiff osprey]

Yeah the females just had a bump

[lavish frigate]

[crude latch]

(Wrong chat LeRoi )

[main peak]

Aw crap

[sharp canyon]

Wait what about trees?

[crude latch]

Trees treeing

[sharp canyon]

The only Paleo tree I care about is Lepidodendron (even though it isn't technically a tree)

[brave stump]

I didn’t expect struth to look so skinny particularly with his legs and tail (I was a big fan of the fluffy tail) but I love new details on the legs and beak.

I hope they made the tail a little bit more fluffy and maybe bigger/taller legs to really show he’s a runner (maybe a beak attack too like modern ostrich/emu)

[bright veldt]

The TLC has accurate proportions though. Making the long legs even longer would take away from that.

[tough parcel]

The TLC anatomically is pretty well put together. I’m hesitant to include any sort of beak attack because A) I’ve only seen ratites do it against humans and B) its head is so small, a Deinonychus could crush it like a grape

[junior dawn]

and not only that, but their bites dont really hurt

[tough parcel]

Wtf Sergi…don’t you know herbivores will kill anything with their powerful attacks…

[lucid ibex]

‘Big paleo’ sounds like something David Peters would unironically say

[tough parcel]

That's why it's funny

[sharp dragon]

"Big paleo is ruining our dinosaurs!!!!!!"
reminds me a of a video from a few years ago about a chick complaining about "science ruined dinosaurs"

[tough parcel]

Sounds about right

[native kindle]

hey paleo chat, more obscure size question and idk if there's actually any answer this time. how big was Pavo bravardi compared to the extant species, muticus and cristatus?

[sweet plover]

Trees aren’t real

Well they’re not a distinct phylum or class of plant

Trees are like the megafauna of plants if you will, different types belong to different lineages

[simple cave]

Quick question, is stegosaurus in PoT undersized or just based off of a smaller specimen? Or is it the right size and stego in other games is just grossly oversized lol?

[sweet plover]

Like for example: the family of plants that includes palm trees are more closely related to wheat and rye than either are to an apple tree

So yes Lepidodendron is a tree because it’s a big plant

[native kindle]

tricky question. stego's too big based on the skeletal it uses as reference, but it's too "small" based on the newer sizes

[simple cave]

Yeh, I grew up with the WWD series which is probably hella outdated but stego in that was massive haha. Just seems small in PoT

[native kindle]

it's weird. stego in game is too long, but it's also too light + short and should be in the same bracket as things like Deinocheirus and Spinosaurus weight wise

[sweet plover]

NAH LITERALLY

[simple cave]

Yeh, I guess it’s one of the older models so hopefully it will get a tlc

[tough parcel]

I just realized your PFP was Namielle and the Great Sword PTSD I have shot through me like a bullet

[sweet plover]

Like where are my beloved Ginkgos and cycads 😭😭😭

[tough parcel]

Btw Stego size as of rn

[sweet plover]

LIKE WHERE ARE THE BALD CYPRESS AHHHHHH

[sweet plover]

That’s obviously a picture of godzilla you can’t fool me

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sauriangame/images/9/90/Cannabaceae_Enyclo.png/revision/latest?cb=20210820080241

Wait I didn’t know cannabaeceae existed during the Mesozoic 😳

[simple cave]

What seems to be the most recent weight estimates?

[sweet plover]

“It is best to avoid thickets of these herbs during forest fires” 😭😭😭😭

https://preview.redd.it/triceratops-and-t-rex-lived-alongside-sour-diesel-or-at-v0-gf53tlkt04ia1.png?auto=webp&s=0d26bf5b6653bd0be5cbb7ca715713f0167ea99e

Here’s the indet. Cannabaeceae fossil

[flint stream]

hold up. is that juvenile ? USNM 4934 right

[tough parcel]

Idk lmao

[sweet plover]

Your pfp Stu

[tough parcel]

I don't remember the age estimates all too well, but I do recall it's not entirely fully grown

[flint stream]

prehistoric flora is underrated

[sweet plover]

And severely underrepresented

[flint stream]

true, yet rarely seen one in any big paleomedia, broadleaf trees dryophylum, ditaxoclaudia, srry if i wrong pronouncing

[heady thunder]

Trees cant roar while epic music plays in the background, so theyre not getting attention any time soon

[sweet plover]

Yeah but- but they feed roaring things

[sweet plover]

These?

[sweet plover]

They also get massive, some plants smell good, others don’t, some emit smoke that will bake a poor dinosaur during a wildfire

[flint stream]

looks like it

[heady thunder]

Trees are very cool, wish I could talk to them.

[sweet plover]

Magnolias existed during the Mesozoic too, idk if they were present in hell creek tho

Oh this is nice

[flint stream]

ingame dinosaur survival game like prior extinction using these type of plant. marmathia, zingiberopsis, sabelite, osuma, gleicheiceaea, equisteum,ginkgo to introduce in prior

[heady thunder]

Pots trying to introduce some plants like that, hope they blend in well with the existing scenery

[flint stream]

i hope they will

[last iron]

I’m hoping that they make a balance of having nice unique environments while also having the paleoflora noticeably stand out in some areas

The tree ferns especially would look nice in places like rockfall hills, maybe a few around big quill lake to replace the swarm of bushes that cover everything

[sweet plover]

A thicket of paleo weed in pot💀 (forgive me)

[last iron]

😭😭
If you walk through/eat it you get a debuff that slows movement speed but can hear footsteps from further away

[sweet plover]

Your dinosaur gets hungrier 😭

But also increases darkvision

[tough parcel]

Walk through it and you get the absolutely well-designed ARK: Aberration effect when you walk through mushrooms

[vast sedge]

we should be able to eat amanitas and get high asf

[light osprey]

Cannabaceae made it in but not Graminidites 😢

[sweet plover]

very nice

[rocky rock]

Hi i'm New here. Any body want me to tell a few facts about dinosaures ?

[bright veldt]

What specifically? That’s a broad question.

[rocky rock]

Idk the T-Rex or whatever i have in my book

[outer tusk]

What's the book's name?

[rocky rock]

Dinosaures of the cretaceous

[bright veldt]

I mean with T. rex it’s like, what record does it not have?

The largest and arguably most powerful carnivorous dinosaur recorded. It’s got the best sight of any currently tested animal (several times greater than an eagle’s). It has one of the best senses of smell recorded, tmk only beaten by certain vulture species. It also has the greatest bite force of any known land animal (4-6 tons per square inch).

[warped peak]

Apex theropods when they're in any form of competition on any stat with Rex:

[outer tusk]

erm, top predator

[light osprey]

Albertosaurus beats it in a sprint…. Looks like there’s a new top dog….

[bright veldt]

Tyrannosaurus is also one of two theropods known to possess osteoderms (although it’s not quite in the way you’d imagine in a traditional sense, which the other theropod cerato does)

[sweet plover]

Tyrannosaurus was likely a pretty smart animal in life too. Estimates range from crocodilians to baboons

[warped peak]

Do you have even the slightest idea how little that narrows it down

[sweet plover]

I do 👹

But also crocodilians are not stupid 😭😭😭 they are thoughtful animals and have been observed using tools

[warped peak]

I know Crocs aren't dumb but I've never once heard that.

[little mauve]

Crocodilians yes, baboons no.... that study was deeply flawed. Their relative brain size and the structure of their brains is very crocodile- like

[sweet plover]

Yes because they’re archosaurs

[sweet plover]

What were the main flaws of the paper?

[little mauve]

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.01.10.575006v1 Naish et. al recovered significantly lower neuron counts in large theropods, and go on to dispute the usefulness of factors like neuron count in general as a proxy for intelligence. Basically everything the original paper states is disputed.

[sweet plover]

Thank you for linking me 🙏

[little mauve]

You're welcome! It's a tough but very interesting subject

[sweet plover]

Yes I do like reading Naish papers though

[sweet plover]

So how do we actually know that Tyrannosaurus neural tissue did not take up the whole brain case?

[little mauve]

Similarity to crocodilians basically puts them into likely similar ratios

[tranquil crescent]

Wouldnt it be birds? Sorry im stupid and dont go into paleontology as much

[outer tusk]

Is this context, crocodilians are better as they alongside dinosaurs are both archosaurs and yes birds too

[little mauve]

The changes from more crocodilian to more birdlike brains starts to show up in maniraptoriforms exclusively

[tranquil crescent]

Ty to both of you

I need to catch up on research 😭

[flat pond]

Time to cause some chaos with this hot take: while yes it is partially lipped, I have to say this is one of my favorite designs for Tyrannosaurus

[outer tusk]

Ok still wish they gave a lipped version ofc

[flat pond]

Yeah true, a lipped version would be a bit of a nice touch to it. Still it’s a pretty good design

[sharp canyon]

The overall design is good, the teeth are just too distracting

[outer tusk]

^

[woeful falcon]

Really trying to wrap my brain around this answer specifically

Because birds themselves are dinosaurs

[crude latch]

WHAT

[woeful falcon]

Broke the news

[crude latch]

Man I would’ve never known Birds were dinosaurs….such a news flash

[sharp canyon]

Next you're gonna tell me spiders aren't insects

[sweet plover]

Would it be wrong to say that, although the brain shape would be more similar between Rex and crocs, is it not possible the brain of Rex could also take up more space in the brain-case like a bird?

[tough parcel]

Intelligence discussion

[white matrix]

anyone know what a smok is?

[sweet plover]

[tough parcel]

I think people need to remember that intelligence is just a BS measurement like horsepower. It means nothing except to boost people's fragile egos. I'll pose this to you:

The survivorman knows how to build a fire and skin a deer. A businessman knows how to read silly stock charts and drive. Neither can do the other. So tell me, who is more intelligent?

[sweet plover]

Bro- why are you so mean 🥺

I just had a question about T-Rex’s neural anatomy 😭 I don’t really care about proving how smart it is

I want a deeper understanding of the paper’s argument

[white matrix]

do you know what a smok is?

[sweet plover]

No what’s a smok

[tough parcel]

I didn't mean it rudely, that's just the quickest and blunt way to say it. Usually I'm extravagent and over the top, but people don't understand that apparently

[sweet plover]

I’m autistic

I forgive you 🙏🗣️

[sullen cairn]

that's not very spinofaarus of you

[spare knot]

idk if this fits here idk where else it would fit but i spent an hour writing about genetics [punnett squares] in the most simplest forms and if anyone is familiar with punnet squares and genetics id appreciate some feedback! The subject is Styracosaurus and pot skins.. its been a few years since i wrote research papers or studied genetics

[tough parcel]

[mossy anchor]

im writing an ~8 page paper on the history of paleontology, from early on with te usage of fossils by tribes, to the first scientific discoveries of fossils in the 1800's, to the 1900's with everything that happened then. once im done, would anyone like to read it and maybe give some notes on some stuff i may have gotten wrong?

[tough parcel]

[mossy anchor]

heheheheheheheh

[little mauve]

No, the structure itself dictates the endocranial fill due to the presence of other tissues. In birds and maniraptoriforms, these tissues don't fill up nearly as much of the volume and that space can be occupied by the brain.

[sweet plover]

OHHHH I got it now thank you

You know, Ornithopods seem to have a very interesting brain structure

[little mauve]

They did, they were evolving some pretty sophisticated brains independently of theropods. Possibly something to do with their social behaviors

[sweet plover]

Wow ornithopods are so cool they’re always overlooked fr

[arctic crane]

Abelisaurids are such a weird family of dinosaurs. They have such a different body plan to other theropods including their own ancestors the ceratosaurs. I haven't herd a good reason for their unique physiology yet. Any suggestions?

I understand the short arms they stared to go away because they weren't being used ok. So they had to be using their mouths to hunt and stuff. They have short snouts which could mean they had very strong bots, but unless I'm mistaken they have serrated teeth so why they evolution to strong bite force if they where cutting meat like an allosaurid? What where they hunting to require that?

[sullen cairn]

having powerful skulls with ziphodont teeth isn't necessarily any less efficient than incrassate teeth

[light osprey]

Oh table tell us about Abelisaur ecology

[sullen cairn]

because the only abelisaurs important enough for anyone to make any comment on their ecologies are majungasaurus and carnotaurus i will instead subvert this into a friendly reminder that we have an ecosystem where abelisaurids are several times larger than local carcharodontosaurs and rival if not exceed multiple sauropod taxa in size

ergo abelisaur ecology is being the neocomian grim reaper

[light osprey]

We also have the Allen formation. A pleasantly moderate assemblage of Abelisaur sizes

[sullen cairn]

didn't you try to kill niebla

regardless allenian is objectively worse than coloradoan

[light osprey]

Try? It is an inevitability

[sullen cairn]

wow thats a nice giant north african dorsal centrum be a shame if there were a precedent for assigning material to taxa with zero overlap

[sand silo]

Ah the pains of being a dinosaur lover ;-;

[broken sable]

yall are dino nerds i used to be but i gotta be one again

[silver canopy]

did megalania really weigh a freaking ton?

I was doing some googling

looking for size references for a project

[last iron]

Around a ton if we round to the nearest ton yeah, they’re the largest varanid to ever exist that we know of

[silver canopy]

I mean I new they were the largest but being a ton really surprised me

that's like

The weight of a salty

[last iron]

Yeah even the extant monitor lizards that are way smaller can get huge

[stiff osprey]

1 ton megalania probably did exist, but that's the equivalent of like a 13-15 ton T.rex. None of the skeletons we have found of megalania are that big

[silver canopy]

I mean 10-12 feet for water monitors right?

(Komodos are heavier I think)

[silver canopy]

wait when did we start talking about rex?

or uhh

meh rex is a pretty good size comparison animal I guess

[stiff osprey]

i just figured people were familiar with the 15 ton rex study

you could also say it's the equivalent of a 10 ton african elephant: they did exist, but are incredibly rare one of a kind specimens

[silver canopy]

didn't meg have a pretty good sized range.

Like couldn't they be found on some islands as well as southern australia?

[heady thunder]

Put Rex on tren

[bright veldt]

Megalania is around 400-700 kg depending on who you ask really.

[snow python]

Accurate?

[wintry path]

looks pretty good but the legs look a little thin imo

[sweet plover]

CARNOTAURUS ECOLOGY? IM INVESTED

[late bone]

was it possible for microraptor to have feathers on it's head

[sweet plover]

What kind of habitat did carnotaurus likely inhabit? Savannah? Forest?

[light osprey]

A cold desolate tundra

[last iron]

The abyssal zone of the deep ocean

[last iron]

What does this mean in English

[sullen cairn]

estuary, tidal flat or coastal plain environment,

[last iron]

Epic

[iron urchin]

Guys was the lambeosaurus simi aquatic

[light osprey]

So real

[outer tusk]

should be fine

[steady shadow]

@river plinth hadrosaurs are a part of the clade iguanodontia
So it’s more of a switcheroo.

If you wanna talk more dinos let me know!

[river plinth]

Oh cool so iguanodots did it first

[steady shadow]

They walked so Hadros could run 💨

[river plinth]

Noice wonder why they ditched the thumb spike tho

[sweet plover]

No, but part of their habitat was wetlands, so they were around water a lot

[steady shadow]

I think they made a deal with David Attenborough that they can get the cool head crests but they have to lose the thumb

[river plinth]

Think of it like stags or moose at swampy areas

[river plinth]

Rip but completely understandable a shant or Edmontosaurus with a thumb spike would be scary

[flint stream]

aren't hadrosauridae split from iguanodontid ? or i was wrong abt that

because ouranosaurus. first thought it was iguanodon alike but no its basal hadrosauridae

[woeful falcon]

Its neither.

[tiny holly]

iirc the whole hadrosaur iguanodont thing kind of depends on who you ask? Though either way hadrosaurs evolved from very iguanodont-like animals

[warped peak]

Do we have info on what Ramph's in-game wingspan is?

[bright veldt]

There's two ways to look at "iguanodont". You're either referring to the family Iguanodontidae, which is an iffy family that only definitively has iguanodon. Or, the more common usage, the clade iguanodontia, which includes almost all ornithopods tbh (The exceptions are elasmonarians and a few other outliers).

[sharp canyon]

Best advice I can give is use the wing stretch emote next to the human for scale item and do good old pixel measurements

[bright veldt]

So in truth iguanodont doesn't really have a set definition, at least in how we use it. Mostly just ornithopods that aren't hadrosaurs (despite the fact hadrosaurs ARE iguanodonts).

[flint stream]

soo, hadrosaurus is iguanodont ? by evolution ? im so confuse

[woeful falcon]

A square is a rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares. As is with hadrosaurs and iguanodonts. Hadrosaurs are iguanodonts, but not all iguanodonts are hadrosaurs

Iguanodont in this case referring to iguanodontia

[steady shadow]

Iguanodontia is what I’m referring to

[bright veldt]

Think iguanodont as less a family like hadrosaurs and more an overarching classification. It's like how cows are a type of bovid, and bovids are in the larger overarching group of hooved mammals (ungulates).

[crude latch]

I’m a cow fun fact

[steady shadow]

Faxxx

[warped peak]

How would I go about spawning it? Never figured that out

[sharp canyon]

First you need the CMIPlus mod installed. Next activate creator mode via the admin panel in singleplayer. You'll figure it out from there

[warped peak]

~~I never figured out how to activate Creator Mode on SP

I've tried ~~

[sharp canyon]

Scroll to the very bottom, there's a check box there

[light osprey]

No Edmontosaurus, looks like they aren’t iguanodontians

[warped peak]

Size obtained, Thala for reference as well lol

[sharp canyon]

Does anyone know what the name Dipnorhynchus means cause I'm struggling to find the etymology on Google

Nvm I found it

[lucid ibex]

I Iguanadon’t want to get into this

[copper flame]

sooooo what is species is siats???

[halcyon cobalt]

meekorum

[copper flame]

no like what species does it belong to?

[halcyon cobalt]

meekorum

[copper flame]

is it a carcharodontosaurid :V

[bright veldt]

Depending on who you ask it’s either related to the carcharodontosaurs or megaraptorans. Nobody really knows which right now. I put them just outside of carchaeodontosauridae personally to save myself the headache.

[soft spear]

Rex Need more demage

[sharp canyon]

Wrong channel, bud

[merry mesa]

no he‘s saying that‘s why they died

[flint stream]

huh, why hypsi don't counting as ? lemme check the phylogenetic on ornithopods

[heady thunder]

Peak paleoart

[cobalt pier]

i think its highly accurate personally

[rugged anvil]

the elephant might be a bit off

[wispy summit]

Undersized human

[sharp dragon]

S A U R O P O D S I Z E D P A C H Y

[heady thunder]

As it should be.

[sharp dragon]

Matt's gonna snap one day and he's gonna make pachy the size of bars and make it oneshot everything

[sudden pier]

The pachy is huge

[flint stream]

outdated reconstruction never ended last. this is pure nostalgia

[lavish frigate]

Here’s a screenshot of my original comment because even though there’s absolutely nothing even remotely needing to be got by the bot it decided to say it had content blocked by the server Alderon are Jurassic simps fr

[heady thunder]

The finger part gets autobotted, if you dont get why youre pure, the censor tho does suck a lot

[lavish frigate]

Nah in my Alderon head canon Matt deleted it to silence anti Jurassic world sentiment only valid explanation

[lavish frigate]

Wuh

[sweet plover]

"Siats" is the genus name, it is a rank above species in taxonomy. The species name of the animal you are referring to is Meekerorum.

Genus: Siats
Species: meekerorum

This can also be written as S. meekerorum.

Many dinosaur genera only have one species assigned to the genus, because the lack of material makes it quasi impossible to differentiate species. The more we know about a dinosaur genus, it's more likely there are multiple species listed under the genus.

[silver canopy]

Yoooo sauria episode two is out :0

[vapid plinth]

It is indeed, can't wait to watch it (:<

[silver canopy]

holy cow is freaking amazing (no spoilers ofc)

[vapid plinth]

Glad u like it!

[plucky basin]

i fixed it (here is dromaeosaurus for example)

[flint stream]

also, i forgot what siats are. megaraptora or carcharodontosauridae

[bright veldt]

^

[flint stream]

wait no. siats are different neither to carcharodontosauridae and megaraptora

[broken sable]

the pachy way off

[empty glade]

How would you rate the paleoaccuracy of my Ilokelesia? Please give reasonings, too.

[elfin pulsar]

Idk specific to the animal but all the scales shouldn’t be the same, also the ankle bone doesn’t really give off a convincing joint on the left leg, it’s really fluid

The feet also seem a bit small and the tail might be too thick

[stiff osprey]

I think the tail is fine but agreed with the rest

[outer tusk]

I suggest referencing Scott's Hartman aucasaurus or Alexander's Viavenator

[empty glade]

I based my ilokelesia off of majungasaurus slightly

[elfin pulsar]

Oh well most of the points would still apply then, I guess not the tail tho

[empty glade]

I tried to give it a thicker tail, to make it feel like it actually is alive

[elfin pulsar]

Imo the legs need the most work

Also applying different scales would really improve it imo, especially for accuracy

[gloomy elm]

Would you class the Jurassic Park velociraptor as a Utahraptor or as the new raptor in the game the one whose name I can’t remember how to spell

[stiff osprey]

I'd just call them Deinonychus which is what they were in the book

[tough parcel]

^ Utahraptor and Achillobator weren't even public when Jurassic Park released, let alone during its production

[sweet plover]

Yeah in the novel canon “deinonychus” is a species name under genus velociraptor

[river plinth]

Even worse when jurassic world upscaled it to Utah raptor size

[river plinth]

Isn't achillobator Utah made in China?

[flint stream]

mongolia

[lavish frigate]

Out of curiosity how (comically👀) fast would y’all say shunosaurus was?

[outer tusk]

Not fast

[river plinth]

My mouth is broken now thanks alot

[lavish frigate]

[halcyon cobalt]

how accurately sized is the ingame dunk?

[tough parcel]

I swear someone said (Iirc one of the PT heads?) that the in-game human is not a reliable thingy

[bright veldt]

I mean it's not in general. That human model is not in scale with the environment.

[tropic citrus]

The mannequin’s 1.83m. PT definitely wouldn’t have said that it’s not reliable.

[tough parcel]

I stg, someone said I shouldn't have scaled the Thala with the human????? Am I insane???

I apologize Naut, I swear I remember it being said in the PT discord, but ugh

[outer tusk]

not accurate like most thing in POT

[bright veldt]

I mean eh? The Dunk could be bigger but it's not badly sized at all.

[sudden pier]

It's a bebe

[outer tusk]

fair

[flint stream]

chineses dinosaur are soo freaking cool and badass at same time they are look

[white matrix]

what do you mean?

btw, after checking the holotype carch drawing, i think the tooth shape is not drawing correctly, since there is no single tooth at kem kem bed look like that

and what do you think of this?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361327838_Description_de_restes_craniens_inedits_de_Carcharodontosaurus_saharicus_Dinosauria_Theropoda_du_Cenomanien_des_Kem_Kem_Maroc

[scenic flame]

I dunno why anyone would say that when we have the exact size of the person

[scenic flame]

That is a mod

[copper flame]

what clade

[halcyon cobalt]

maybe an allosauroid maybe a coelurosaur

[outer tusk]

what is a good tetanurae skeletal for a non avian theropod

[woeful falcon]

I feel like you don't know what you just asked, because that's super broad

[outer tusk]

would this be a good skeletal for a non avian tetanurae

[iron halo]

Isn’t tetanurae basically just like every other theropod ever

[woeful falcon]

This is a good skeletal for a non-avian tetanurae. Pretty much most theropod skeletals you've seen are tetanurae I would reckon

Tetanurae is a clade that includes a lot

[outer tusk]

ight thanks

[cinder ether]

Anyone else think that PoT Stego looks really weird? Mainly the dorsal plate’s look really strange, like they made body pretty good but then kinda goofed up on the dorsal plates, the shapes are fine (except for the def subspecies) but just the placements, shouldn’t there be some sort of skin membrane to make it look like it’s actually apart of the Dinosaur?

[woeful falcon]

Yeah. Which is odd because kentro's plates look fine in this regard

[bright veldt]

Stegosaurus's general shape/model is wrong, although it's not totally their fault. At the time of its creation it was alright enough.

Stegosaurus is now known to be significantly more square and robust.

[cinder ether]

It looks really weird seeing steg’s body, is it suppose to look so compressed like someone squished it from tail to head and it’s just that

[bright veldt]

It's just that lol. Stegosaurus had longer bodies when young and got much more robust and squat with age. The stegosaurus individual known as "Sophie" is very well preserved and thus has been the main basis for stego for a while, but Sophie was also a young animal.

[cinder ether]

I hope my spiky boy gets a tlc,

[outer tusk]

YDAW did a good video on it

[tough parcel]

Nuh uh

[outer tusk]

fym nuh uh 😭!!!!

[woeful falcon]

I don't expect a full blown tlc since it kinda already had one (and personally, I don't think it should bc more compact = less range to work with)

but they didn't touch the plates last time. I'd like it if the plates got updated and actually attached to the body. Because it's accurate! and it looks better

[halcyon cobalt]

how much did archelon weigh?

[nocturne merlin]

lots

[bright veldt]

bout 2-3 tons

[scenic flame]

https://peerj.com/articles/13731/

also found the 2nd half of the image I posted in #modding

[bright veldt]

I converted the main values to kg and put some modern animals on there for reference

[scenic flame]

awesome

[bright veldt]

w/ some slight rounding and variation cause bite forces are messy like that anyway

[scenic flame]

we live in an ecosystem

[bright veldt]

It's just to make it simple. The study's still there for direct values.

[sullen cairn]

iirc the cera skull used in sakamoto also isn't particularly large
its something like 10kN+ scaling to the largest skull

[stiff osprey]

welcome to mamenchisauridae, we have
-omeisaurus tianfuensis
-omeisaurus tianfuensis but tiny
-omeisaurus tianfuensis but with even less tail
-omeisaurus tianfuensis but with normal neck proportions
-omeisaurus tianfuensis with short arms
-omeisaurus tianfuensis with even shorter arms

[sullen cairn]

You could even say oh my

[tough parcel]

The casual racism against Omeisaurus here is astounding

[lavish frigate]

Failed to consider the possibility of them having uncharacteristically long back legs and short front legs 💀 sauropod stegosaurus if you will 💀

[sharp dragon]

Is there anything new on Tyrannosaurus Mcraensis? if thats how you spell it

[light osprey]

The most incredible clade I’ve ever laid eyes on

[scenic flame]

Shuddup eeg head

[outer tusk]

erm eeg head is a very offenvise term, there young man!!!!

[tough parcel]

Wart der frick...that's not based...

[vocal breach]

I just want a new Utah Skeletal...

[outer tusk]

too bad, you'll never get one.

[tough parcel]

^ Trug

[outer tusk]

Utahraptor is mid anyways, Achillobator is better anyways!!!

[vocal breach]

[warped peak]

Ngl I thought I'd heard much higher estimates for Gorillaa

[thorny stream]

What would be the best way to generalize like marine reptiles, pterosaurs, and dinosaurs?

[bright veldt]

What do you mean exactly?

[crude latch]

Like what? Archosaurs in general?( I think I’m using my brain right)

[woeful falcon]

"mesozoic reptiles" sums it up

[bright veldt]

Basically ^

If you're looking for more technical, pterosaurs and dinosaurs are easy: Ornithodirans (Pterosaurs + Dinosaurs). But marine reptiles are already a generalized group. Most of them aren't that related to each other and are put together due to the fact they live in salty liquid.

[lavish frigate]

What non dinosaur and pterosaur lineages are in Avemetatarsalia out of curiosity?

[bright veldt]

The main other thing seems to be Aphanosaurs, which I've never heard of until just now.

One species here: Teleocrator.

[lavish frigate]

Ah they look like silesaurs somewhat more generic cousins

Or like a very small prosauropod

[halcyon cobalt]

lizard

[sand silo]

Hmmm, he's a danger noodle but not a danger noodle at the same time

[halcyon cobalt]

Who wins: (territorial) ajnabia vs Tyrannosaurus rex “copium”

[heady thunder]

Cope rex to godzilla lvl, easy wash

[sharp canyon]

Does anyone have a skeletal or just photos of anything regarding Microsuchus? I just learned about it and there's like, barely anything from what I'm seeing

[flat pond]

What’s the current size estimate for Megalosaurus as of now?

[outer tusk]

4.5t

[outer tusk]

doesn't exist

[flat pond]

Around 8 meters or so?

[outer tusk]

11m

[flat pond]

Ah a few meters short on what I thought

[native kindle]

what Megalosaurus gets that huge ??

[outer tusk]

Yes

[native kindle]

that was not what i asked lol

[bright veldt]

The holotype is 9 meters and 2.5 tons or so, but there’s a femur from another individual that is that large

[native kindle]

i see i see

[snow python]

So Megalosaurus and Torvosaurus are the largest theropods from Europe, right?

[flint stream]

T. gurneyi is the largest theropod dinosaur on europe. if i was wrong abt that

[lucid ibex]

Hey, in the context of dinosaur names, is the suffix ‘Venator’ pronounced as ‘Ve-NAY-ter’ or ‘Ve-NA-tor’ because I hear it both ways a lot

[bright veldt]

Yes. Torvo is slightly bigger but not by too much.

[ancient crystal]

Well the actual word venator is pronounced "ve-NA-tor"

If it changes once it becomes part of a name I'm not entirely sure. Like you, I've heard both, and it might just depend on what sounds better to the person making the name.

[snow python]

What about Wiehenvenator?

[bright veldt]

Wiehenvenator is about megalo's size I think? Maybe a tad smaller.

[snow python]

The subadult is 8,5-9m iirc

[sullen cairn]

There’s also that giant premaxilla from iirc France

[outer tusk]

it's about 3t

[flint stream]

how big neovenator is and i heard there's like species of spinosauridae like randomly been discovered

[bright veldt]

Neovenator is about 8 meters long and 1.5 tons (ish). "Neovenatoridae" as a concept is very poor, and it's more fit to describe Neovenator, Siats, and Chilantaisaurus, three species which might not be that related to each other but they all share the trait of being fundamentally finnicy in what they're related to.

Neovenator is firmly related to carcharodontosaurs, although whether it's one directly or just related is a matter of debate, while Siats and Chilantai constantly juggle between being in that same boat or being megaraptorans.

I personally put the three of them as just outside of Carcharodontosauridae to save me the headache. You WILL lose if you try to find the objectively best answer.

[stray saddle]

Megalosaurus of 11 meters is not correct at all.

[north quail]

I agree with “Ve-NAY-tor”

[somber nebula]

Can't seem to find anything that claims Megalosaurus was 11 meters, plenty of stuff saying it was 9 meters or less. The thought of an 11 meter megalosaur is awesome though.

[bright veldt]

The holotype is the more heavily promoted size, but there is a femur also attributed to megalosaurus that is significantly larger, and is where this largest specimen comes from.

It's called the Parker Collection Femur.

[somber nebula]

Ah, so its not 100% confirmed but it is possible that they could get to that size.

[bright veldt]

Basically. Although I don't see why it would get discreddited when there's whole taxa that are determined from far worse remains.

[stray saddle]

There are torvos with 1100mm femora that are barely over 10m, megalos are basically based on torvos because there are more complete, thus the proportions should be those of torvos, 1070mm for a 11.3 m looks too elongated and short legged

Also that femora doesn't belong to the same species of M. bucklandii.

[bright veldt]

That is true, given the whole debate that happened with Cope Rex it can be debated exactly how big it is. I also never said it was bucklandii specifically.

[stray saddle]

Furthermore the femur isnt even complete, it is estimated at 1070mm.

[bleak rose]

I mean, a particularly large individual is not out of the question. Yk, genetics can be very wacky sometimes

[somber nebula]

Yeah, could be like what Saurophaganax was thought to be before a bunch of remains were found.

[tall vale]

So I know that Sue has a really wide chest but I heard that Scotty isn’t as wide and is more slim?

[bright veldt]

Scotty is the porportionally more stocky one tmk. Although they're basically the same size regardless.

[bleak rose]

Btw guys, I wanna ask for some advice. You see, i've always loved dinosaurs and prehistoric animals, since I was a kid. But I don't have a very in-depth knowledge about paleontology. Any recommendations on books to read about? Some introductory ones, and then heavier books

[bright veldt]

"Wierd Dinosaurs" by John Pickrell is a highlight for me. It goes over alot of the popular recent discoveries/topics and the people/stories that founded it. Deinocheirus, Regaliceratops, Prince Creek, the Hatzeg dinosaurs, Chapter 1 is Spinosaurus etc.

[stray saddle]

May I say, actually there are a bunch of giant allosaurid individuals, between allosaurus and saurophaganas there are like 15 individuals over 10m.

[lavish frigate]

They gave Regaliceratops a keratin face and it makes it look lame somehow 💀

[fallow citrus]

it looks pretty cool to me 👁️

[sullen cairn]

i will never not believe that regaliceratops evolved for the sole purpose of mocking the recently defunct centrosaurines

[tacit pine]

Kinda agree

[elfin dragon]

you still persistent on that 60 ton edmont existing?

[sullen cairn]

considering hadrosaurs evolved to replace the niche left vacant by sauropods i'd say its more of an inevitability

[elfin dragon]

60 tons is ridiculous and completely out of the question

[sullen cairn]

well that's awfully reductive

[elfin dragon]

how do you think an edmont could be 6x bigger than a rex

i require a scientific explanation on how that makes any sense whatsoever

[sullen cairn]

after a certain size they'd probably be able to eat some smaller rexes for calcium supplementation
which would then fuel them to grow even larger

positive feedback loop kinda thing

[elfin dragon]

in turn you are saying hadrosaurs could live hundreds of years? because after a certain point in growth, growth slows down Severely

[lavish frigate]

It’s partially covering the frill horn plate lookin dudes

[sullen cairn]

hadrosaurs could've had indeterminate growth

[tough parcel]

Tf did you do to that image, jesus 😭

[lavish frigate]

I got the first image I saw and it ended up being that 💀 thought it was the good version at first here

[elfin dragon]

so what you are saying is hadrosaurs grow like lobsters

[sullen cairn]

some hadrosaurs ate crabs so its implausible that they digested they're growth systems as well
like how flamingos turn pink from krill

[elfin dragon]

the only problem would be it would die of old age before it even got to a third of that size

[sullen cairn]

but hadrosaurs grow fast

[plucky lark]

Would they be able to consume enough food to grow that rapidly at an older age though?

[elfin dragon]

no they wouldnt

[sullen cairn]

plants were bigger in the jurassic period because of higher co2 levels so there was no shortage of plants

[elfin dragon]

are you able to confirm this with an article

[plucky lark]

Lol

[compact leaf]

hadrosaur carcinization real?

[elfin dragon]

no they are delusional and think edmonts could reach over 60 tons

[sullen cairn]

its not delusional its a difference of opinion

[compact leaf]

you're getting trolled lol

[tough parcel]

Tbh I gotta agree with them, they've raised valid points

[elfin dragon]

theres a fine line between delusional and theory this is delusional

[sullen cairn]

y'know they put galileo in prison

[tough parcel]

They laughed at every genius in history...

[zinc solstice]

This is probably random but I know a word that can trigger most paleonerds

Phytodinosauria is a valid clade

[elfin dragon]

no it aint

[tough parcel]

Gonna be honest, never heard of that so

[plucky lark]

I think 60 tons is a far stretch however I think with time and ofc no k/t extinction hadrosaurs had the room to become larger, just look at shantungosaurus, and edmontosaurus most certainly would’ve had the reason to get larger, such as predators like tyrannosaurus

[sullen cairn]

^ this. so much this.

[elfin dragon]

maybe maximum of 20-23 tons

[sullen cairn]

largest rex is nearly like 3x larger than zhucheng so you'd expect edmonto to grow to like 3x larger than shant
ergo like 60t

[elfin dragon]

that makes 0 sense

[sullen cairn]

argument from incredulity

[plucky lark]

I mean the real question there though is did shantungosaurus evolve it’s size to combat predation from zhuchengtyrannus

[tough parcel]

• they had the ability to chew which means they can break down food better in the mouth so their stomach does less work + their intestines can absorb more nutrients

Also consider sauropods did not have chewing and they grew to gigantic sizes so think about hadrosaurs...

[zinc solstice]

Are megaraptorans in tyrannosauroidea or neovenatoridae and were dromaeosaurs pack hunters