paleontology

[snow python]

MOR 008 was massive

[heady thunder]

Is this a new guy

[bright veldt]

Tmk Custer isn’t actually that big for a tyrannosaurus and it’s based on an incorrect museum mount

[tame tapir]

🙂 just gonna put this here,……

[outer tusk]

Yeah Sue should be bigger

[halcyon cobalt]

Someone put Tristan Otto on sigma watch

[heady thunder]

14m Sue

[flint stream]

isnt sauroniops dubious last time i heard ?

[outer tusk]

yes but like with some others it's sort of complicated

[flint stream]

i heard that sauroniops belongs to growth stage carcharodontosaurus

i forgot smth. is becklespinas dubious name or what. i forgot that to and also remember how agustiana have some kind of spine ridges from the neck to the tail and that was no longer thing anymore

[outer tusk]

Becklespinax<Altispinax

basically Concavenator 2

[halcyon cobalt]

any birds eye views for maraapunisaurus?

[halcyon cobalt]

please @ me if you find one

[outer tusk]

No because it doesn't exist

[halcyon cobalt]

what abt limaysaurus

[outer tusk]

I was referring to a bird eye view, Maraa is fragmentary but it's valid if

[halcyon cobalt]

ik

need a reference for how thick it was

this g?

[keen forum]

i want to say MOR 008 is about 11.8-12.0

[snow python]

Any up to date Kaprosuchus skeletal?

[snow python]

Thanks

[stray saddle]

Long live the Allosaurus. Top biggest mammal in earth.

👀 👀

[heady thunder]

Ofc, we all know that Allosaurus means "Different Mammal"

[sudden wind]

Allosaurus is a sedentary worm

[proper panther]

its in a popular roblox game, if that counts

[snow python]

And maybe jurassic world the game but is anything but accurate

[open compass]

Is this guy real?

[bright veldt]

Yesnt. Nobody knows what’s really going on with it right now.

[latent basalt]

No 💀

I think we should have a tyranno subdivision called tryannus

[lost spoke]

New tyrannosaurid?

[sullen cairn]

imo "Alamotyrannus" refers to at least two separate taxa ergo its a pain to explain

[open compass]

No it's old Tyrannosaurid

[lost spoke]

I didn't hear about it before

[sullen cairn]

it was referenced in a 2013 paper as a citation, but the name has never been mentioned in literature since

[open compass]

At least it's name is badass

[sullen cairn]

at least one element seems to be from de-na-zin rather than naashoibito as well

iirc the largest naashoibito tyrannosaur material is a good bit smaller than rex

[wintry path]

dinosaur feet bother me

[somber nebula]

I have not heard that name in eons
Has there been any even somewhat recent developments on what Altispinax is? Like, are we sure there was a medium-sized basal carcharodontosaurid in Early Cretaceous Britain or is it still up in the air?

[fossil ingot]

Conc 2.0?

[west drum]

What’s the lore behind the Carnian Pluvial event?

[outer tusk]

The Carnian pluvial episode (CPE), often called the Carnian pluvial event, was an interval of major change in global climate that was synchronous with significant changes in Earth's biota both in the sea and on land. It occurred during the latter part of the Carnian Stage, a subdivision of the late Triassic period, and lasted for perhaps 1–2 million years (around 234–232 million years ago).[6][7]

[lunar finch]

is there a site that has lists of dinosaurs by species (e.g. I. bernissartensis, I. galvensis, etc) and the differences that resulted in their classification as separate species? the real tiny details rofl

[sullen cairn]

for theropods TD covers essentially every theropod and their diagnosis https://theropoddatabase.com/Phylogeny of Taxa.html

[lunar finch]

sweet!

[somber nebula]

After looking through this, I've realized that Allosaurus has been used a wastebasket taxon way too much.
I love how there's several "Allosaurus species" listed as early theropods, basal tetanurans, and Megaraptorans,

[native kindle]

hey fellas. is there any good skeletals for Brontosaurus, or just good references for its size in general?

[compact leaf]

you can probably still use bricks idk if he has a newer one

[lavish frigate]

Oh wow we have a skull for bronto

[lunar finch]

is there a database for all these skeletal references? They all look like they came from the same place

[compact leaf]

most of them are made by the same few people so if you look them up you’ll usually find it, the best way to do it is just search “whatever animal skeletal” and you’ll find it

[lunar finch]

Makes sense! thanks 😁

[elfin dragon]

skulls are very rare to fossilize for sauropods so the fact that we have one is very lucky lol

[limber prism]

Hello boys and girls, women and men, I would like to ask you if it would not be difficult for you to support my idea of ​​adding one new dinosaur on the POT forum: https://feedback.pathoftitans.com/suggestions/540502/dino-ideariabininohadros With your help and your vote, the chance of its appearance increases thank you for your understanding, sorry if it’s off topic and have a nice day/evening/night, happy hunting/wandering 😊

[lavish frigate]

Did ornithomimosaurs have the fused finger thing going on like Dromaeosaurs?

[flint stream]

oh that. now its reminds me of conca. but even better and smoother humpback

[flint stream]

@sullen cairn is this species that we are discussing back in december ago ? and first off. isn't this suppose to be T.Mcraeansis ? if i was wrong.

srry to ping for your incative

[sullen cairn]

Different

Mcraeensis refers to a single specimen from the farther south McRae formation

[warped peak]

Since we got all the smart people here

Any special, better material to work off for Gigantopithecus you lot might know of?

Been doing decent on my own

Current notes:

• Closer to Orangutan, but likely a more Gorilla like build as a whole. I'll be keeping the long forelimbs that Orangutans got, but will be enlarging the hindlimbs proportionally to match better go a Gorilla, although more focusing on sturdiness than length
• Head to Body ratio I intend to be roughly the same as a Gorilla
• Flange is speculative and unlikely, I'm planning to adjust it and put a pit of emphasis on the nose

Attached are WIP of the model, and the artwork I am using as a primary stylistic base for proportions, outside of Orangutan and Gorilla skeletals

[heady thunder]

Give it a sixpack

[sullen cairn]

why does bactrosaurus have like 4 separate femur lengths

[hardy marsh]

Woah

[stiff osprey]

a bit exaggerated on the weights for the bottom 3, but yeah, Austroraptor is huge

[heady thunder]

Riding an utah would be dope

[north quail]

Right so I changed it like you suggested

Before: left
After: right
Also changed ear hole position

[woeful falcon]

Looking good

[lunar finch]

love that, great improvement!

[signal apex]

Trying to find good resources to learn about paleontology is something I find so difficult

[woeful falcon]

For starters use this instead of whatever version of wikipedia you were using Pickles
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Lmao. Well I didn't expect to see that

[sullen cairn]

@nova wind the "Megalosaurus" dunkeri that altispinax has been suggested to be synonomous with isn't the same animal as Megalosaurus bucklandi and almost certainly isn't actually attributable to Megalosaurus

[signal apex]

White man jumpscare LOL

[native kindle]

wrong person

[nova wind]

What I’m saying is, this argument just becomes more and more confusing, because Wikipedia has information 100s of years old or just inaccurate information,and there is just not enough known about altispinax and becklespinax

[signal apex]

Pickles I love your icon

[sullen cairn]

mate there's a whole paper on this entire thing

[nova wind]

The only way to know would be to find two complete individuals individuals

[woeful falcon]

Its not that condusing actually. Its just, Becklespinax is altispinax. That's all there is

[sullen cairn]

they're the same individual

[nova wind]

Thx ☺️

[native kindle]

pickles. the material referring to Becklespinax is the SAME. material attributed to Altispinax. and because Altispinax is the older genera, it's the proper name

[wintry path]

i have a quick question for anyone

[woeful falcon]

I have a reasonably paced answer

[wintry path]

whats the biggest spinosaurid behind spinosaurus and oxalaia

[native kindle]

Suchomimus. or Sigilmassasaurus if that things real

[sullen cairn]

there's multiple non-spinosaurus spinosaurids potentially larger than oxalaia

[native kindle]

i will just let the actual nerds answer this nvm then

[sullen cairn]

well the two probably larger ones are sigil and sucho so you kinda already answered it

[wintry path]

well im making a thing and i want a big scary cave lurking spinosaurid but i dont know what to throw into the cave

[native kindle]

WOOOOO YEA BABY

[warped peak]

That's a hard role to use a Spinosaur for ngl

[nova wind]

Table, how old are those papers, that is what kind of matters here because all I’ve found about both of them are very small posts that aren’t real scientific papers or very old scientific papers

[sullen cairn]

2016

[native kindle]

this is from 2016 iirc. which is a lot more recent than anything else you're reading

[wintry path]

its a semi-submerged cave that is flooded by a old fallen apart "sewer" system

[nova wind]

Alright just checking, cause on google I’m trying to find something after 2010

[wintry path]

i dont know what else to throw in except maybe something like concavenator because of the "fin"

[warped peak]

Sucho is a good candidate, Sig is less complete so more liberties available

[lavish frigate]

The mighty irritator DESTROYS the competition (I actively thought it was a juvenile specimen)

[woeful falcon]

Google scholar will do you better than normal google

[warped peak]

What size are you wanting it to be?

[wintry path]

the red line is the average 5'10 human
the purple is the size of the cave

[woeful falcon]

Could get most spinosaurs in that I reckon

[warped peak]

But how big do you want

[wintry path]

if it were to stand on its back legs and do a semi-vertical, it's head would definitely touch the roof of the cave

[warped peak]

Personally, I'd advocate for Ichthyovenator

[wintry path]

i am definitely leaning towards ichthy

[alpine island]

15 iberian spinosaur jumpscare

[wintry path]

either ichthyovenator or cristatusaurus,
one of yall pick 🙏

[warped peak]

Ichthyovenator for the nifty notch

[nova wind]

Only fossil I can find, I think this is one of the if not the only fossils of altispinax/becklespinax, plus it is super duper old, from what I’ve seen from different pages, it has been almost 125 years since its discovery

[woeful falcon]

Acknowledging cristatu ew

[sullen cairn]

whenever i wonder if i should take the cristatu=sucho and spino=sigil/oxalaia pill i just remember europe's allowed to do whatever the hell europe's been doing and suddenly i don't care anymore

[wintry path]

😭

[sullen cairn]

that is indeed the only fossil of altispinax/becklespinax

[wintry path]

okie dokie (im gonna maybe post art later with it)

[nova wind]

Jeez then we REALLY don’t know a lot about becklespinax/altispinax

[wintry path]

💀 3 toes all u get

(i cant even tell what it is cuz of my screen brightness)

[nova wind]

For all we know, it could’ve looked completely different since a body or skull was never found

[wintry path]

are those vertebra

[sullen cairn]

yup

[nova wind]

Yea

[wintry path]

high ridge neural spine

[warped peak]

Which is why paleontology requires a lot of experience and experts

[nova wind]

God this reminds me of that one time everyone was battling about whether or not triceratops was torosaurus

[wintry path]

“triceratops is a juvenille torosaur”

😔

[frosty anvil]

YO PALEO CHAT I HAVE A QUESTION

WERE PTEORSAURS ALTRICIAL OR PRECOCIAL??

[lunar finch]

some were certainly portrayed as precocial in Prehistoric Planet, which I believe was very thoroughly researched. But that's as far as my knowledge extends 😬

[sullen cairn]

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2023.1102

[stiff osprey]

most pterosaurs are precocial, pteranodontids being an exception

[frosty anvil]

Reason why I ask is because I'm plotting a realism server with my friends and I was hoping to mix things up with the whole precocial/altricial thing

[sullen cairn]

essentially this yeah

[frosty anvil]

Terrestrial dinosaurs being precocial and pterosaurs being altricial. It makes sense to me. Land dwelling gamebirds are precocial. Tree-dwelling songbirds are altricial. I was picturing a scene of a bunch of Thalassodromeus nesting on a cliff near the Gondwa seas and having to go out there to fish and come back.

[ancient crystal]

Realism servers are fun, if not for their gameplay, then for all the terrible suggestions the resulting communtiy will give.

[frosty anvil]

I see. So which of the pterosaurs in-game currently (official or modded) are most likely to be altricial?

[native kindle]

if you really wanna make it work i'd reckon thal is your best bet

[sullen cairn]

from what i've pot thall is essentially pteranodon anyways so prolly that

[frosty anvil]

Thanks!

[frosty anvil]

I do genuinely want to have at least one creature be altricial to mix things up a little.

I think it'd be an interesting change of pace since vast majority of the creatures in-game are likely precocial anyways.

[tough parcel]

The issue with atricial (in gameplay/realism) is that it’s boring. When you play a game, you want to do things. You want to go out and interact, but giving something a play style that essentially forces (since it’s realism) a person to sit in a nest and do absolutely nothing for (X) amount of time is a sure fire way to make no-one play or no-one nest as the creature

Take it from someone who has been incredibly involved with like 4503 realism servers now

[frosty anvil]

Thats a fair point, actually. It'd be stressful for the parents and boring for the babies. Stressful since the parent would have to go out and feed them constantly and NOT get lost and the babies are just kinda forced to sit there.

[nova wind]

Hm

[lunar finch]

maybe you could find some kind of balance between the two 🤷‍♂️

[nova wind]

Maybe altricial

[frosty anvil]

Yes, but how? Initially I was just excited about the possibility of being able to mix things up a little and not have baby-rearing be so same-y that I failed to consider the gameplay part of it until Gualicho brought it up.

[lunar finch]

Yea, its definitely be difficult 😦 Sorry about that, I think its a good idea to find ways to mix things up.
It could perhaps be a ver, very short period of being altricial. But otherwise idk how you could make it work

[tough parcel]

There’s no way to mix play styles of altricial and precocial simply because they are completely opposite of each other

While you can change growth stage times, to actually “make it a mix”, the hatchling stage would need to zoom by so fast, it’d give someone whiplash

[wintry path]

do you guys want to see my "scientifically accurate" carcharodontosaurus?

[nova wind]

Yes

[stiff osprey]

tbh altricial gameplay is a bad idea because it means people would only be able to play if they had a friend of the same species already on the server

an altricial baby without a parent will die in .03 seconds

[lunar finch]

this would also be an issue, definitely 😕

[nova wind]

Looks accurate to me

[wintry path]

ignore the white, i was just hiding some of the stuff i wrote down while making it

certainly isnt my best work tho 😭

[tough parcel]

Alright, bet? I’ll do it in .02 seconds

[frosty anvil]

Altricial baby birds when they're exposed to a singular gust of cold wind: 💀

[lunar finch]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-ill-die-gif-9704573

[tough parcel]

Considering 0 feathers…yea

[nova wind]

One thing that I would enjoy is if pt did a arg rework that made it look more accurate, so more horizontal, more stocky, and they should change the baby size to really really tiny

[frosty anvil]

Thats the joke

[tough parcel]

Nuh uh, jokes don’t exist for you people anymore

I am the only one allowed to make jokes now

[woeful falcon]

Horizontal

[nova wind]

The arg now is more at a brachi stance, when it’s neck should be thicker and a little lower to the ground, but not to the point of diplodocus, so I should’ve said something more like a semi horizontal stance

[tough parcel]

They should not do most of this

Argentinosaurus should not be more horizontal, the neck position is fine

If baby size were “really really tiny”, no-one would be one because the hatchling-juvenile is already painfully slow to the point people go insane. So what happens when you make the legs even shorter and the animal even slower?

More stocky is subjective

Diplodocus is also not horizontal

[nova wind]

Well the baby should be faster

[tough parcel]

Yea, but you can’t change animations between growth stages, hence why the babies use the same animations as the adults

[nova wind]

Hm

[tough parcel]

So either you speed up the baby and have it slide across the ground

Or you speed up the animations and the adult’s too slow to fit or you make it even faster

[stiff osprey]

Doesn't juvenile rex have faster animations than the adult?

[nova wind]

Dang it, I wish they could make the hatchling faster because when I play it, it is so painfully slow, a ocephalon on land beat me in a race

Also, is ocepechalon a whale? I saw someone say it was actually a beaked whale. I believe it was actually a sea turtle

[wintry path]

its a sea turtle

[woeful falcon]

Unless someone absolutely butchered the dating for it, it's certainly not a beaked whale. Whales didn't exist yet when it was knocking about

Skull isn't like a whale's either. Lacks the spot for the melon

[tough parcel]

Yea, faster animations and faster in general iirc? But issue is baby rexes look normal, but if you see an Argent baby skittering around like the rats that they are, you’ll see I’m right

[stiff osprey]

r a t

I agree that baby Argent shouldn't be made smaller, but by god they do need to speed it up a bit. The only way I can stand playing it is with a podcast/youtube video in the background

[tough parcel]

The vicious killer hatchling Argentinosaurus runs down it’s unfortunate prey (a Struthiomimus)

[heady thunder]

I think all pot dinos make it so babies grow their stats linearly, so adult is the fastest, strongest etc part of the growth, only pt rex iirc does smth new by making the speed scale basically backwards.

Anyway fossils.

[outer tusk]

What ornithopod does this look like?

[woeful falcon]

A saurolophine, maybe Saurolophus itself. That would be my guess

[outer tusk]

Yeah I had this toy for a while but was so confused on what it could be

[ancient crystal]

Its face scares me

[wintry path]

pachysaurolophus!

[sullen cairn]

i am 90% sure this skeletal is oversized https://twitter.com/Hood26202459/status/1324038920368197635

Lol (@Hood26202459) on X

Edit of @skeletaldrawing 's Ouranosaurus nigeriensis skeletal diagram based on some interesting insights that came out recently.
Keep in mind that im not a paleontologist and neither do I claim any ownership over the original work.

Twitter · Nov 4, 2020, 5:20 PM

by a lot

[outer tusk]

so the black one is the more accurate size

[stiff osprey]

iirc the venice ouranosaurus is larger than the holotype

[sullen cairn]

types a bit larger

although going by carrano's measurements GDF 381 (which apparently can refer to like 3 separate specimens) is the smallest

granted the measurements are slightly smaller than the description's GDF 381 so those might be the same but either way its smaller than the type and venice thing

cause the venice femur is a good bit larger than 381 but also the venice specimen is apparently composed of 381(?)
it baffles the mind

either way the largest femoral measurement is like 95cm

unless the 830-850mm measurement for 381 refers to the left femur
which would still be confusing but would somewhat make sense

man ouranosaurus is stupid

[woeful falcon]

Hater.

[crude latch]

Man what happened to spino

[sullen cairn]

it also doesn't help the description's in french which i cannot read

[wintry path]

he ran into a wall

and got compressed 💔🦧

[crude latch]

Bro became vegan 😭

[sullen cairn]

because if i am to believe google translate we need to beat paleobiodb to death

[flint stream]

ahhh. i can see that. alamotyrannus is different then T.Mcraensis then

[lunar finch]

are there any plans for ouranosaurus mod? One of my favorite inosaurs

[flint stream]

so wait. ouranosaurus got size buffed ? is this new ?

[lavish frigate]

I’m watching a video on a hypothetical situation where dinosaurs appear in the U.S. and the person making it decided to weirdly give each size bracket of dinosaur a set population when they came back. The threat for large herbivores and carnivores wouldn’t be guns or humans. It’d be freaking inbreeding because he gave them like 100-75 individuals 💀

[flint stream]

can be resemblance of the old construction of saurolophus, the bubble dome actually sof tissues. if i remember. i found on random dinosaur kids book

[crude latch]

Ok…wtf

[lavish frigate]

He gives them such low populations that it sucks the fun out of the hypothetical lol. That’s kinda why in my current project thing with a similar premise it’s just everything coming back at the same time so things can actually form some sort of an interesting ecosystem

My only complement to his video is that he doesn’t underestimate small herbivores and carnivores survivability.

But he uses Ai art so he deserves prison

[crude latch]

Ppl that use AI instant L

I do wanna see this tho

[lavish frigate]

The channel is called “madly Mesozoic”

It’s bad 💀

[sullen cairn]

the skeletal is oversized

[flint stream]

ohhh

[light osprey]

Ouranosaurus has such a weird skull

[outer tusk]

Forgot to add but what does the head look like more?

[crude latch]

[ancient crystal]

Pain. It looks like pain.

[outer tusk]

geniue question this time as am asking what ornithopod does it look like the most

[bright veldt]

I've seen a reconstruction like that before. Lemme find it.

[outer tusk]

yeah I used to have these toys alongside it with an out theropod stance iggy, albertosaurus, and small sauropod with a noodle neck

[sullen cairn]

to further the ourano pain the venice specimen does actually seem to be comparable to the holotype in terms of dorsal and ischium measurements but with a shorter neck and forelimbs

[outer tusk]

meaning?

[sullen cairn]

they might actually be pretty similar in size

[outer tusk]

ok

[bright veldt]

Who is this artist? I know the reconstruction is from them.

[outer tusk]

wait I thought you was gonna show a ornthiopod

[bright veldt]

The reconstruction I'm thinking of is by this artist so I'm trying to narrow it down so i can find it.

[outer tusk]

that's fair

[sullen cairn]

steve kirk i think?

[bright veldt]

Yup. That's him.

Still can't find it. Darn. Pretty sure I'm thinking of his tsintaosaurus.

[sullen cairn]

This?

[flint stream]

ye

[outer tusk]

Alright so it is one

[flint stream]

that outdated saurolophus i always remember the looks

[outer tusk]

ironic because I have the book myself

[flint stream]

it also reminds me of what the older construction of tsintaosaurus may look like.

[outer tusk]

Saurolophus is just goat'd

[flint stream]

yep. that one, feels cursed seeing this kind of image

[bright veldt]

Yep. There it is.

[flint stream]

oh hey why im not the only person showing over saurolophus

"saurolophus have sac that can blow. by its supported its crest/ the sac also can puffed to create sound"

by the book itself and i translated

i bought the book in somewhere in mid 2010th someowhere i was elementary and the book itself published 2013

[woeful falcon]

Prosaurolophus > saurolophus

[tough parcel]

Incorrect! The faded out skeletal in the background is wrong, the solid skeletal is the new estimate

[flint stream]

so it was nerfed then

[tough parcel]

Yessir

[sharp canyon]

"A saurolophus?"

[drowsy oar]

.

[sharp canyon]

PARASAUROLOPHUS!?

[frosty anvil]

Hopefully I understood the joke correctly

[sharp canyon]

Pretty much

[tough parcel]

I’m crying, this joke will never get old unless it gets spammed every 5 seconds (Spinofaarus)

[sudden wind]

Real

[sullen cairn]

me when i'm in a being very cool competition and my opponent is iguanodontia miscellania

[frigid vapor]

I know his work is very outdated but John Sibbick's paleoart will always be so dear to me

[zinc solstice]

How big was thoracopterus?

Does anyone have any trust worthy sites that say it's size or an image of it compared to a human?

[outer tusk]

It will not always be so dear to you!

[outer tusk]

Camptosaurus, Tenontosaurus, Muttbuasaurus, and Ouranosaurus ?

[frigid vapor]

No way!! :( His artwork was amazing

Didn't know him personally but even if the art is not accurate I think it still looks great

[outer tusk]

Real

[frigid vapor]

I'm now involved in ornithology IRL thanks in part to his work :]

I actually came to ask something but I saw sibbick and got sidetracked 😭 I was wondering if anyone has any reconstructions on what feathered theropods may have actually looked like with accurate feather depictions? Most if not all of the reconstructions I find display modern feathers instead

[west coral]

Campto being larger than teno is slightly scary

[outer tusk]

Maybe not larger but taller for sure

[flint stream]

last time i check that ouranosaurus is basal hadrosauridae ?

[compact leaf]

basal hadrosauriform but not a hadrosaurid

[flint stream]

so its not true hadrosaurus but it ancestor sort like

[compact leaf]

it’s a sort of offshoot branch before the true hadrosaurs show up

[jovial wadi]

Anybody got a accurate metri pic?

[halcyon cobalt]

how would have more derived rebacchisaur heads look like from the front?

[native kindle]

there's this, based off the most accurate skeletal we have. nobody really seems to care about Metri, so it's not got too much art

[flint stream]

common theropod family branch in jurassic, like we have like yangchuanosaurus, metriacanthosaurus, and others

[outer tusk]

here's the proper fossil content

[native kindle]

we found more of it? neat

[outer tusk]

no

[outer tusk]

the skeletal you showed doesn;t have the orginal fossil materials and is just not accurate

[native kindle]

it was the skeletal i found searching "Metriacanthosaurus" in this chat. Dan Folkes' didn't show up at all lol

[outer tusk]

it shows up for me

[native kindle]

i said in this chat.

[outer tusk]

ok

[native kindle]

and when you search Metriacanthosaurus in this chat, that's what showed up. mb

[lunar finch]

Would it be terribly inaccurate to portray iguanodon with osteoderms sort of like this?

[strange bridge]

I'm not a professional but there's nothing I can find to suggest the presence of osteoderms in it or its relatives
I think at most we have some skin impressions from iguanodont trackways but nothing that suggests hardened bony armor

However, if you'd like to extend your artistic liberties to other large, late cretaceous ornthiscians, the hadrosaurs Magnapaulia preserves enormous scales on the caudal region (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373519/) which the authors note possibly may be osteoderms

So TLDR, pull a gamer move and call them scales

[outer tusk]

Prehistoric Kingdom did it as sort of speculative ofc but this should be fine as long as it's not overdone

[warped peak]

Based off of Phylogeny, Gigantopithecus is closer related to orangutans, but likely more terrestrial

With that being said, an intermediate between Gorilla and Orangutan hand anatomy would make the most sense.

From what I can tell, Chimpanzee have the most analogous hand to that correct?

[lavish frigate]

Bro lost thumb privileges

[heady thunder]

Is that an actual monkey?

[lunar finch]

Thanks guys! I appreciate the resources!

[warped peak]

Yes

[heady thunder]

nice

[last iron]

That looks like evolution hit the randomize button 💀😭

[flint stream]

does anyone have dromaeosaurus pack hunting behaviour journal paper. i rlly need that, for understanding

[snow python]

Do we have any good skeletal for Paralititan?

[nova wind]

Not really, this is what I could find on the subject

Quick question for all the people in paleo chat that specialize in tyrannosaurus, how would you rate the PT tyrannosaurus on the accuracy scale from one to ten?

[woeful falcon]

Pretty good/10

[outer tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226475987825590272/1219048527754428536/Paralititan_5.png?ex=6609e269&is=65f76d69&hm=b8f4f589f7fb3daa4d0f4d7ae0dd38f1278f6d00254913a6252f3f81216be943&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1018&height=675

[proper panther]

Literally a parasaurolophus without the para fr fr

[outer tusk]

no

[proper panther]

no

[native kindle]

hey nerds. was wondering if there's good mass estimated for Kosmoceratops, in comparison to Styracosaurus albertensis. (a size comparison would be nice, not needed)

[fossil ingot]

Which is heavier?

[sullen cairn]

look to be about the same size with sty maybe a tad heavier

[native kindle]

and that size would be..? (mass wise)

[alpine island]

Isn’t Sty like a ton

[native kindle]

wiki telling me 1.8-2.7 tons💀 1.2 ish for kosmo. so i wanna get my numbers right

[bright veldt]

1.6 tons

[outer tusk]

1.4t for sytraco

[iron halo]

Wake up new factor trace video

[woeful falcon]

1.4t sty

(I have no idea I'm just amused at numbers being thrown out)

[flint stream]

wow, so kosmo still bigger than styra

[light osprey]

When will table do something based like Edmontonian Chasmosaurines

[sullen cairn]

CMN 8547 is hideous and i hate it

[tacit pine]

https://tenor.com/view/mosasaurus-mosa-prehistoric-planet-prehistoric-planet-gif-25446039

[flint stream]

anyone 🙂 ?

[outer tusk]

no

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/103609696

[bright veldt]

Our understanding of dromaeosaur social behavior at all is very limited, let alone pack hunting, which we don't really have direct evidence for in any dinosaur.

[velvet burrow]

If latenivenatrix is synonym with stenonychosaurus, does that mean that stenon was as big as laten estimates?

[sullen cairn]

correct

well assuming the laten estimates you're looking at are correct at least

[sharp canyon]

Isn't it kinda odd how many times reptiles evolved powered flight?

[crude latch]

Uh let’s see here

2 times? Which I guess is a lot on the scale of evolution

Or am I’m dumbs

[woeful falcon]

at least twice as far as I know. I wouldn't be surprised if a certain bat winged dinosaur counted as a third instance of independently evolved flight. Or if it wasn't capable of proper flight, maybe had a relative that could.

[bright veldt]

More than twice, cause microraptor exists. There might be more instances as well we don't have a clear idea of yet.

[velvet burrow]

3.5 meters? Idk, bigger than most stenon estimates, i can't find a weight for laten though

[woeful falcon]

is micro a case of entirely independent evolution of flight separate from, well "bird wing" flyers lets call them

[sullen cairn]

Sounds about right

[bright veldt]

explain, idk what you mean

[velvet burrow]

Ig as in secondarily evolving flight

[woeful falcon]

yeah, or as in it flies because its common ancestor with birds and all those bois could fly. did its flight come from the same bundle or did it learn to fly on its own

like, birds and kin evolved to fly entirely separately from pterosaurs.

[warped peak]

From what I'm aware, a good handful of near-Avian dinosaurs were able to fly and developed it independently

IE Microraptor, Rahonavis, Yi

[halcyon cobalt]

yi flew?

[woeful falcon]

was it independent or was it secondarily, because I'm mentally not counting secondarily because then that would include a whole sweep of things, but its still all stemming from the same point of origin

I also don't know that yi counts in this case because it's wings are like, entirely different

I don't know a lot about Yi though either so I can't really say

[warped peak]

For the situation you're describing, it should be considered secondarily, as while they all had feathers evolved from a flightless ancestor, they adapted it into their own flighted wings, more or less

[woeful falcon]

unless I'm mixing up definitions that wouldn't be secondary. Secondary would imply it lost the ability of flight gained from their common ancestor, and then reevolved it

which isn't necessarily what I'm asking either, I'm asking if its flight was evolved entirely independently or did it stem from paravian ancestry regardless of any loss and regaining of flight capability, hence why they all got similar wings

[bright veldt]

Probably not. We have basal forms that look fairly similar but are morphologically not aboreal, let alone flyers (Hesperonithoides).

[light osprey]

No

[sharp canyon]

Meanwhile insects evolved flight once and went "Yeah that'll do"

[sullen cairn]

is using private specimens okay if i use it to downsize 8t saurophaganax

cause apparently there's a ~10m allosaurus with a ~1.75m dorsal column and 165cm dorsal
in which case 185cm saurophaganax dorsal would scale to pretty firmly under 12m

[lost spoke]

Isn't 8t saurophaganax old reconstruction?

[woeful falcon]

Anything that knocks sauro down a peg I'm all in favor

[sullen cairn]

the only hiccup is that apparently there's a 150cm saurophaganax dorsal associated with other material of an 11m individual but idk how strong the association actually is

[lost spoke]

What is the max size of saurophaganax?

[outer tusk]

There isn't a max size but anything around 5.2t is fine

[halcyon cobalt]

8t🗣️

[lost spoke]

I thought 8t is old reconstruction

[serene moat]

sauro was 12 tons

[chilly knot]

🧏

[halcyon cobalt]

🤫

[serene moat]

Sauro was 12 tone, giga was 15 and rex was 4 tons 🤫🧏‍♂️

[halcyon cobalt]

that’s a trade secret

[serene moat]

Y'all dk about the kodiak giga 🤓

[keen forum]

at the moment 5 - 6tons we ignore the other estimates

[native kindle]

just cause im curious, are these both around the same length? and if so, when did Kosmo get bigger?

[tough parcel]

Wtf…Saurophaganax denier…

[heady thunder]

Saurowhat? All chads know that it is just allosaurus

[keen forum]

we can't be a denier for wat doesn't exist

[keen forum]

truly Big Al hours

[lost spoke]

Is epanterias smaller than saurophaganax or as big as it?

[heady thunder]

Epanterias the big allo is around the size of a big allo, yes

[tough parcel]

So real for that tbh, I love this thought process

[halcyon cobalt]

8 ton allosaurus...

[native kindle]

the slow brute tyrannosaurus has been usurped by the cunning and nimble allosaurus

[stray saddle]

You are right. You know very well 😉

[keen forum]

naah thats just a carch

[lost spoke]

Isn't Carcharodontosaurus 6.5t-7t ?

[vocal breach]

I think a little bit more, just barely 8 tons for a large individual I think

[lost spoke]

8t is max?

[vocal breach]

It was more than Spino tho that’s for sure

[vocal breach]

Not it’s max, I think 8.2 is the largest estimate we have

Carch on average tho is more than Spino so 7.5~ tons is reasonable iirc, ask someone else for precise measurements

[snow python]

Someone just sent me this. Ceratopsians without horns or frills

[broken rover]

The trike seems to be just lisowicia

[native kindle]

[snow python]

Yep. Cursed image

[velvet burrow]

Basically just dicynodonts

[white matrix]

alternate timeline jurassic dicynodonts

[lost spoke]

Looking like old cenozoic animals

[lunar finch]

they're naked 😭

[signal apex]

Oh my god they're naked

Once again asking are there any websites to learn about dinosaurs accuracy and dinosaurs in general

Bc all I've been using is Wikipedia

[warped peak]

One I recommend is looking into Nix/Nyx Art. He does a ton of paleoart with extensive posts about what he draws

[signal apex]

Ooo I'll check it out ty!

[mortal patio]

Helo

[wooden spindle]

Was ino ever fluffy like this? Art credited to: Paleorex

[frosty cedar]

I actually don't know how plausible it is to depict synapsids with mammalian features. Maybe?

[kindred night]

https://twitter.com/TyrantLzrdQueen/status/1771599484834730394?t=iBgBWJu9_yQ9YGoXcFlCmw&s=19

Carthage College Paleontology program and it's fossil collection are in deep danger of being destroyed. Would appreciate anyone share the thread.

Amelia R. Zietlow 🦎 (@TyrantLzrdQueen) on X

Carthage Institute of Paleo is still facing elimination: current funding runs out in August. Neither @carthagecollege nor @kenoshamuseums are upholding their end of the agreement with one another, &, by extension, with the federal government to properly curate the collection.

Twitter · Mar 23, 2024, 6:06 PM

[wooden spindle]

Alr thx

[distant mauve]

Quick question was Phiomia a semi aquatic animal? And any other info about it? I'm trying to find info on it and I can't find much due to Ark

[kindred night]

Likely not. Gorgonopsids lack the correlates for whiskers and fur likely didn't appear until therocephalia or cynodontia.

[keen forum]

oooh thats not good news

[frosty cedar]

Well, at least it doesn't look as ugly as drawing dimetrodon like an oversized rat with a hump and meter long whiskers.

[fossil ingot]

For Max is 8.2-8.4 tonnes iirc.
Boi was BIG

[lunar finch]

My research into taxonomy is one of the few sciences that has left me more confused than before rofl. I can't believe what a mess it is

The wikipedia page for archosauria lists avemetatarsalia & pseudosuchia as subgroups, with the allowance that there are many genera with uncertain placement.
Tanystropheus is listed as an archosaur...but following the classification ladder I can't figure out whether its been placed in the former, the latter, or something else entirely.
All I see is Tanystropheus belongs to Tanystropheidae, which belongs to Tanysauria, which belongs to Archosauromorpha...which is a hypernym of Archosauria, so we've skipped that step entirely.

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-huh-what-gif-2480734549943489640

[outer tusk]

why does it have fur and whisker, yet it's not lipped 💀 good paleoart though

[bright veldt]

It does have lips lol. The sabers are just out.

[light osprey]

Furry Therocephalians is the safest bet

[keen forum]

yeah iirc it's some where around that size

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[wooden spindle]

Yea lol

[frosty cedar]

But it is lipped tho. You can clearly see those feline-like lips.

[outer tusk]

yeah I noticed \

[sullen cairn]

n

[native kindle]

o

[sullen cairn]

wait when did i type that

[native kindle]

right now, apparently!

[sullen cairn]

sobbing

[snow python]

Is this up to date?

[keen forum]

nope

[tough parcel]

La racisme towards carchars

[fossil ingot]

Why is Carcha so small there😭

We kinda need to add Meraxes and Acro here ngl

[fossil ingot]

Are there any current Tyranno, Acro and Meraxes skeletal?

[snow python]

Also did Bustingorrytitan and Giga lived at the same time?

[sullen cairn]

Bustingorrytitan is huincul
ergo after giga

[snow python]

Mapu and Argent
Meraxes and Argent?
Carch and Paralititan
Acro and Sauroposeidon
Tyrannotitan and Patagotitan?
Giga?

[tough parcel]

Making it, one sec

[fossil ingot]

After searching for like ALOT in my Gallery I actually founded a 2023 Tyranno made by Alpha(which I think is the same skeletal used in the comparison I sended earlier) and updated Acro of Liam(same you shared but much less chunky tho I prefer how the chunky one looks)

[outer tusk]

Franoys acro is also still good to use, but yes Alpha Tyranno is the one used in Amecy size chart if you read the credited part

[velvet burrow]

Andesaurus and an undescribed big ass titanosaur

[snow python]

So is like 11;6-11,8m or was it upsized? Bcuz his skull is about as long as that of carch

[outer tusk]

Who?

[snow python]

Tyranno. In that skeletal looks like is about 12-12,2m along the centra

[outer tusk]

Tyranno is 11.6m
Mapu is 12.7m
Giga is 12.9m
Carchar is 12.4m

[snow python]

Acro 11,7m
Sauroniops 11m
Meraxes 11,6m highest estimate
Veteru, Siamraptor, Kelmayi amd eocarch 9m

[keen forum]

acro hasn't really changed and meraxes seems to be the same but TTT would have to follow how carch looks like but smaller but thats not updated rn unless someone does it themselves

[outer tusk]

Sauroniops my beloved ( partial brain frontal )

[tough parcel]

Boop

[keen forum]

giga should be 12.7 unless you use the big lad which gives you 13.5 ( but we ignore that one )

[outer tusk]

Idk maybe I read giga wrong cause it was blurry

[keen forum]

@tough parcel I see TTT has alphas skull on it

[tough parcel]

Yarp, it came to me in a dream

[outer tusk]

So pretty much what's up with TTT also why is it called TTT

[tough parcel]

(T)yranno(T)i(T)an

[outer tusk]

So what about Alpha's tyranno?

[snow python]

I find these. Sorry bout poor quality

[outer tusk]

Ew not lipped

[snow python]

If that skull is accurate, i'd give ttt about 12,2-12,3m

[outer tusk]

it's not

[fossil ingot]

So in conclusion this are the update skeletal of the 5 goats?
(Meraxes, TTT, Mapu, Carcha, Giga)
Not sure about Mapu but is what I have🤷‍♂️

[lavish frigate]

I love how Tyrannosaurus is comparatively special in its family in regards to size but in carchs all of them are just identical almost rex size sauropod hunters

[steady shadow]

Hey nerd

[tough parcel]

AUGH

[outer tusk]

What

[flint stream]

merex is smol same with acro

don't oxalaian invalid ? bc i did talk to some folks claim that oxa is indeed invalid anymore or i was wrong

[bright veldt]

It basically is.

[sullen cairn]

oxalaia is distinct from the african spinosaurins in some minor characters but its also ash

from what i've seen most people provisionally treat it as seperate from spinosaurus if nothing more than for simplicity's sake though

[light osprey]

Erm Spinosaurus quilimboensis

[white matrix]

Nanotyrannus vs baby t-rex, who wins

[crude latch]

Juvi Rex vs Juvi Rex, who wins

[tough parcel]

As seen in the hit documentary series Jurassic Fight Club, the Nanotyrannus would win

[stiff osprey]

however, it would soon die due to the baby t.rex's septic bite

[halcyon cobalt]

and carebears

[flint stream]

that dinodoc is absolutly bs

[sullen cairn]

unsettling facts: there's a comparable relative size difference between a large tenontosaurus/lower-end adult deinonychus and small adult edmontosaurus/larger "dakotaraptor" estimates

[nocturne merlin]

i love my hell creek turtle

[flint stream]

biggest downgrade ever for the theropods

be ashame of that dakotaraptor. we got fooled

[stiff estuary]

Dakotaraptor is still valid right? It's just that some of its material was reclassified as a turtle? 🤔 (I can't remember the latest news.)

[halcyon cobalt]

definetly some maniraptor in there

[flint stream]

no, dakotaraptor is no longer valid anymore
idk but lets hear the expert

[serene moat]

Unless the rex version of carcharadontosaurs hasn't been found yet 🥱

[halcyon cobalt]

shant sized carch that brawled the local sauropods

[lavish frigate]

Shant sized carch that was the local sauropods (convergent evolution at its finest.)

[light osprey]

Vindication

[white matrix]

Yeah it's now considered achillobator and a turtle lmao

I wonder if that also means achillobator lived I hell creek.

[nocturne merlin]

achillos from mongolia

[white matrix]

Oh so ig hell creek just lacks medium-sized Carnivores now

[heady thunder]

Nah, I believe in Dakota.

It probably wont end up being named as it, but imo there is a dromeosaur in itm

[nocturne merlin]

young tyrannosaurus would have kinda filled that niche

[light osprey]

There is certainly a large Dromaeosaur metatarsal within “Dakotaraptor”

[heady thunder]

Why dont we save ourselves the fuss and just call that dakota?

[light osprey]

Reasonable individuals will. There’s also a Deinonychus sized ungual

[crude latch]

My Favorite turtle

[light osprey]

Dromaeosaur metatarsal
turtle

[heady thunder]

Its definitely TRex

[crude latch]

Tutle

[nocturne merlin]

pectinodon 🤓

[crude latch]

teetler

[native kindle]

hey nerds!! back again, and wondering if there's any information on a few juvenile animals and their speculative adult sizes. Namely, Appalachiosaurus and Beipiaosaurus. no correlation, just curiosity :)

[stiff osprey]

Jim Kirkland once said that Beipiaosaurus grew to at least 6 m long, it's unclear if the specimen he saw was actually Beipiaosaurus though

[native kindle]

hm. interesting information, and would make for one of the largest therizinosaurids no? especially for one so early

[bright veldt]

Tmk that size is kinda average?

[light osprey]

“At least 6m” I believe that’s Segnosaurus sized

Vindication for fluffy Therizinosaurus

[chilly ember]

Dang I didn’t know nerdnova the horned abelisaurid was here

[stray saddle]

Dakotaraptor never existed.

Is all a mix up.

[native kindle]

unless therizinosaurids got wildly larger than i remember in recent years, 6m would put it within top 3 largest or close to that ⁉️

[light osprey]

#paleontology message

[stray saddle]

Tableseating my friend, are you here?

[chilly ember]

Yuh uh

Explain the sickle claw

[bright veldt]

Tyrannosaurus hand claw

[sullen cairn]

howdy

[stray saddle]

I cant explain it. But I do have a friend that can, cause he is actually an expert.

[stray saddle]

Remember my friend? He wrote directly to Alderoon Games, and he could come back to chat : )

[sullen cairn]

that's good to hear
hope it all goes smoothly

[native kindle]

hey nerd. have you got any information to share abt what i was asking about?

[native kindle]

^

[sullen cairn]

appalachiosaurus is like um
y'know i was gonna check the limb proportions to compare with other eutyrannosaurs but there's a 20-30cm discrepancy between each right and left femur/tibia so nevermind

if you want to compare with other appalachian tyrannosauroids there's like some 8-9m phalanges or something like that

[stray saddle]

It is diagnostically insufficient, maniraptora level, it could belong to a therizinosaurid, it is more similar to them

[stray saddle]

Yep 🙂

[native kindle]

would a juvenile at 6.5 really only produce 8-9m? or is the 6.5m inaccurate/not actually a juvi

[sullen cairn]

i usually see it considered a subadult

justice's recon is also 7.5m

[nocturne merlin]

anybody got anythin on the teeth formations and inside of mouth in general of iguanodonts? specifically lurdu if there is anything on it

[stiff osprey]

A dinosaur specimen being labeled a juvenile actually means very little, unless you have a close relative with a known growth series

They could be referring to something half of the average adult weight, or something 50x smaller

Plus iirc Appalachiosaurus was called a juvenile based on vertebral fusion, which isn't a reliable way to say it's a juvenile anyway

[sullen cairn]

wow what a nice raptorex be a shame if all its close relatives were the size of elephants

[stiff osprey]

if it weren't for our sample of adult tarbosaurus clearly holding massive amounts of variation i would never believe Raptorex was distinct

we definitely have adult raptorex specimens we just don't know who they are

[native kindle]

i see. thank you lord nerd for your knowledge!

[sullen cairn]

"Raptorex is Jenghizkhan: A reprisal of East Asian tyrannosaurins"

[stuck chasm]

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[outer tusk]

What would be something I would need to know the ichthyosaur named Temnodontosaurus?

[worn isle]

Every time i remember about Dakotaraptor, i get sad because this guy was my favorite dromaeosaur, now i can't choose a new one.

[bright veldt]

Achillobator is basically Dakotaraptor but actually real so

[brisk quiver]

Okay nerds what’s that one thing cory something it had a tiny head and big body

It looks like a fat salamander

[worn isle]

Yeah but, i like Deinonychus and Utahraptor too, so im just being undecided lmao

[west coral]

big paul

[compact leaf]

cotylorhynchus

[fallow citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-cotylorhynchus-walk-walking-cotylorhynchus-gif-27547597

[tame tapir]

I bet he had a trunk,….

[dry kindle]

were dinosaurs able to move their eyes?

[zinc solstice]

If birds are able to then yes if not then no as they are the last dinosaurs

[elfin dragon]

imagine a rex with chameleon eyes

[stiff osprey]

Birds can move their eyes, but not much

this is because bird eyes are gigantic, so there isn't much room in the skull for the muscles that move them around

Most dinosaurs do not have this problem so they could move their eyes more

[stiff osprey]

lower nemegt archosaurs

[lunar finch]

Every time I see the watering hole scene in Prehistoric Planet I forget just how massive Tarbosaurus & Barsboldia are 😭

[outer tusk]

this is peak also the sauropods are so smaller here

[hexed kraken]

which theropod is larger and has a greater biteforce, spino or carch?

[stiff osprey]

carch has the greater bite force, size wise they're too similar to say

[light osprey]

There isn’t much to love aside from it being contemporary with rexy

[worn isle]

maybe is the good memories on Saurian

[outer tusk]

Carchar, and as Random they're almost close in size

[fossil ingot]

Carcha has the better bite and size wise those 2 are pretty similar

[hexed kraken]

alr ty

[west coral]

who’s tochi, bars, and sauro is that?

[stiff osprey]

tochi is hartman's Hesperornithoides, bars is GAT mixed with dragonthunders shantungosaurus, and saurolophus is GSP

[outer tusk]

Is fadneo's sauro good to use?

[outer tusk]

Should I add or change anything about my Deinosuchus piece?

[flint stream]

deinocherus >>> nemegtosaurus, deinocherus solo'ed nemegt easy

[flint stream]

some kind of salty action i just taken

[white matrix]

The absolute LAD

[tough parcel]

Just hit the bed and I didn’t see this sorry, but I would reduce the clutter on the neck osteoderms and the underscutes

[lavish frigate]

Apologize to that bed. They have feelings too #endbedabuse #donthitbeds

[keen forum]

https://tenor.com/view/idolypride-narumiya-suzu-stare-gif-20094129

[flint stream]

also not relising how sauroliphus is quite big to.

[frosty cedar]

I sometimes forget how big dinosaurs could get all the time, it's fine.

[frosty cedar]

The absolute gigachad, a pinackle of evolution, truly.

We should strive to be like him.

[late bone]

did microraptor had a beak??

[tame tapir]

somewhere in-between i thought? Toothed beak?

[bright veldt]

No beak

[unborn bane]

Hello! Please keep all channels outside of the International channels in English, you can talk with other German users in #deutsch!

[digital musk]

Ahh ok I'm sorry

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/elbow-drop-wrestling-wwe-gif-19405657

[keen forum]

https://tenor.com/view/shawn-michaels-diving-elbow-drop-randy-orton-wwe-raw-gif-10476010

[tough parcel]

The beds will learn to fear me

[keen forum]

btw speaking of elbows and arms did anyone see this the carch arm?

[tough parcel]

Nuh uh, it looks bad

[keen forum]

you mean it looks bed?

[tough parcel]

Yea cause I'm about to atomize it with an elbow smash

[stray saddle]

Spino is just a fisher

[fossil ingot]

Short

[sudden wind]

Who's Bars and Tarbo is that?

[tough parcel]

Mine (Tarbo is Joans)

[stray saddle]

@fossil ingot so you gonna tell me this guy doesn't have short legs in RL compared to PoT design?

Cause if you think that fat dino have long legs wait until you see an Allo squeleton

998 speed. Ridiculous as heck shm... definitely the most overpowered dino in the game cause no real reason at all. I'd admit a T Rex being OP, not this ducky Dino

[fossil ingot]

Sucho ain't even THAT op.
You can still escape it on Land but thats not Paleo Topic

[fossil ingot]

I have seen Allo Skeletals and Legs aren't to far off in size

[stray saddle]

Tell me you never fought with Allo in your life without telling me you never fought with Allo in your life.

[deft sigil]

A reminder to please remain polite and respectful towards other members. Refer to our #rules

[stray saddle]

Well, metatarsals were much shorter than other theropods. It comes from the spinosaurids. It's not just the size of the leg

[fossil ingot]

I have play allo so...

[stray saddle]

You have played Allo, doesn't mean you play Allo 👀

[fossil ingot]

I do play it a bit, Im not bad at it

[ocean drum]

How good do y’all think this vid is? https://youtu.be/di2_E3wkfKg?si=uxj7uGVgIoDiprcz

[tame tapir]

It was an okay video, i dont like when we only have a toe bone and call it a whole different dinosaur,……. (I totally understand when its on the other side of the planet)

[cloud dagger]

The goal of that video was to include every spinosaurid that has been described, even possibly dubious ones. I liked it

[whole meteor]

Where can I drop a YouTube link to an edited video v:

[proper panther]

Thoughts?

[whole meteor]

That's a trick question

[frosty cedar]

Factor Trace is criminally underrated imo. I like his videos.

[bright veldt]

Nonsense. The paper’s conclusions have been torn to shreds a few times now.

[frosty cedar]

Bruh.

I'll accept nanotyrannus as a valid genus only when tyrannosaurus rex becomes invalid somehow.

[bright veldt]

Bloody Mary will make or break nano. But for now nano’s still dead.

[frosty cedar]

True.

[proper panther]

Dunno why nano is now valid lmo

[bright veldt]

Lemme grab my summary of the paper to showcase the issues with it.

[frosty cedar]

Wtf, how? As Scanova stated, the paper was critiqued by many.

[sullen cairn]

aguja nanotyrannis is better anwyays

[bright veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/542776901442338816/1192229636084613252/image.png?ex=660dd4df&is=65fb5fdf&hm=eb12c0b7fd790c6b27fd30a819adc06a5c1c5e2c013f75ad4183910833fbacd5&

[frosty cedar]

🅱️ased

[proper panther]

Based

[woeful falcon]

Bloody mary gets described and is distinct but none of its diagnostic characteristics relate to its skull which is all Nano is

[warped peak]

Bloody Mary is actual a late surviving basal Sauropodomorph that never lost Carnivory

[frosty cedar]

Of course.

[sudden wind]

wtf

[light osprey]

It’s pretty obvious this is the Hell Creek Albertosaurus

[ancient crystal]

If I see this screenshot again I'm going to explode

[lavish frigate]

The mighty eoraptor hellcreekensis

[velvet burrow]

Ah yes, Dominion prologue logic

[late bone]

so like everyone i asked said microraptor didn't had a beak but when i try to find informations on google about microraptor it says that it had a small beak 😭

[stiff osprey]

that's because google doesn't know crap about scientific data

I once asked google how wide an anaconda was and it said 29 feet wide

[warped peak]

29 feet wide and 2 feet long

I need a picture of it

[lavish frigate]

Google is lying 👍

[chilly obsidian]

why does all Latenivenatrix art have a forked tail fan

[sweet field]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickinsonia

[tough parcel]

Because people are nerds and unoriginal Except me, I am the most original persone ver

[mystic lake]

It is absolutely false, Google is basically wrong

[chilly obsidian]

was it an AI image

[mystic lake]

Are you a neoproterozoic invertebrate lover?

[light osprey]

You’re saying you didn’t trust that?

[mystic lake]

The genus's now valid???

[bright veldt]

Nah (I read wrong sry)

[mystic lake]

Oh ok nvm

[mystic lake]

Experts don't even know where is the head😆

[sweet field]

It has a funny name

[mystic lake]

………..

Btw you guys know about the app « Rockd »?

[swift osprey]

Unpopular opinion but spinosaurus is a areal based creature which can fly undulating its large tail and sail its long neck and snout could pick up small prey while its claws were used to swipe larger opponents wearing them down before killing them also it was 21 metres long

[proper panther]

According to a really terrible paper, yeah

[mystic lake]

Ok…

[white matrix]

Are we talking about the paper that did a phylogenetic tree for the alleged Nano holotype with T rex, but didn't bother to try the same thing on the juvenile Tarbosaurus to compare if they get the same results ?

With one of their basis being the size of the orbitals, even though a juvenile Tarbo also has big ones, which changes shape and size over time ?

[ancient crystal]

The paper that had something like 20 times less content than a different paper arguing the exact opposite? That paper?

[heady thunder]

#refer-a-friend

[inland kernel]

Do we have any complete Skeleton of a dinosaur

[nocturne merlin]

lad we have literally been able to find stomach contents of dinosaurs of course we do, example: psittacosaurus

[stiff osprey]

A lot of Chinese dinosaurs are known from complete skeletons, Psittaco, Microraptor, Anchiornis, Sinosauropteryx, Tianyulong, etc

[lavish frigate]

Yes we do. And if you count composite specimens made from remains of different individuals of the same species we can at least tell what many dinosaurs full skeletons at least looked like.

Psittacosaurus is a good example of a complete dinosaur. So well preserved we can tell what color it was

[zinc solstice]

And psittacosaurus is so complete we even know what it's bum looks like

[velvet burrow]

And that it had a belly button

It liked to show it's butt

[lavish frigate]

Psittacosaurus is a wonder of nature

[tame tapir]

And its color too right?

[pastel apex]

I always read “pistachio” instead of “psittaco” 😭

[lavish frigate]

[tough parcel]

Huh?

[nocturne merlin]

taco with belly button

[lavish frigate]

Taco did in fact have a reptile equivalent of a belly button

Like actually lol. I was confused at first as well 💀

[tough parcel]

Hmmm crazy

[lavish frigate]

Taco is such an amazing animal

[tough parcel]

Only ever heard about the cloaca so cool

[lavish frigate]

If only it actually solved the cheeked or non cheeked ornithischian debate 😔

[nocturne merlin]

cheeked

[tough parcel]

Nah, let's give all ornithiscians lips

[nocturne merlin]

ew

[tough parcel]

Disneys Dinosaur was right

[nocturne merlin]

wheres that rhino triceratops paleoart thats like it

[tough parcel]

Just took psychic damage

[tough parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/878030287676801054/887881031552745552/nuccoNpm.gif

[light osprey]

The beak under the lip lmao

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/reload-shotgun-dale-gribble-rusty-shackleford-king-of-the-hill-gif-15641945943961425415

[sudden wind]

https://tenor.com/view/aladar-iguanadon-sad-cuddle-dino-gif-17300531

[outer tusk]

why is it so ugly

[smoky coral]

Because it’s someowhat paleo accurate. (Yes I’m a Dino nerd)

[tough parcel]

I don't think it's because it's paleo-accurate

It's just rhino lips on Triceratops should never be done again

[sweet field]

Lips around the beak

[lavish frigate]

Please explain how accuracy is the problem in that image

[tough parcel]

I think they mean like it's the "uncanny valley" effect

[outer tusk]

It's not paleo accurate because mammalian lips on a reptile because zero sense

[compact leaf]

like it has a bit of accuracy to it but the inaccuracy is so horrifying that it overrules that

[light osprey]

Lipped beaks is so real why isn’t it a meme yet

[outer tusk]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/6u69QgPwRVANdn-B1UiRd4eWBSsTzZU1V7XUvxp2u_I/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/EE7g1RdWsAE7BN0.jpg%3Alarge?format=webp&width=884&height=676

[compact leaf]

it's on the same level of horrible as sauropod trunks

[tough parcel]

Nah, thinking on it now, it's a pretty decent theory

[lavish frigate]

2nd is the only right answer

Even then the cheeks aren’t big enough

[light osprey]

It’s just brilliant isn’t it

[topaz shell]

1st one is nightmare fuel and is why I won’t likely buy the PNSO trike

[outer tusk]

Nightmare fuel is crazy, also how is your lineart going?

[topaz shell]

What lineart? I think I actually forgot

[outer tusk]

In art channel

[swift osprey]

What dino is this ?

[woeful falcon]

Duckling

[north plinth]

Is there any direct evidence of Carcharodontisaurids regularly taking down large, healthy adult sauropods or is it merely assumption?

[outer tusk]

Merely assumptions

[stiff osprey]

as with all cases of predation in the fossil record

[open compass]

Teeth

[flint stream]

ahh yes the old old very old outdatish paleoart back in 80th -90th

[flint stream]

-damage output like that cmon.

[tough parcel]

P sure this was done in 2010s considering I remember it on DA

[stray saddle]

Struggling to kill a Carnotautus, but OP in PoT

[flint stream]

i honored to that paleoart right there soo beautiful

[tough parcel]

Tbf, the Carno was like...5x larger than them and in a pair

[alpine zodiac]

in tropeognsthus, did the legs face outward, (knees pointing to the outside, foot soles toward each other) or the knees point downward while flying (foot soles pointing up toward the sky)

[frosty cedar]

Naaaah who had the audacity to do this lmao?

[lavish frigate]

This is pain

[stiff osprey]

The knees face outwards while flying, forward while walking

[alpine zodiac]

ty

[lucid ibex]

I just can’t get enough of Stieven’s palaeoart. He’s by far my favourite palaeoartist, I really wish we could see more of this cartoonish, colourful style mixed in with accuracy and realism, it would be great for a TV show or something along those lines.

Yeah. That’s it. That’s the post.

[white matrix]

Very nice indeed

[outer tusk]

You did not do his work justice, WHAT ARE THESE LOW QUALITY IMAGES!!!!

[small geyser]

Simosuchus is just vibing.

[mystic lake]

What someone really did put some random trunks on sauropods!?

[flint stream]

sauropod with trunk or is curse

who done that even

[mystic lake]

Yeah, who the heck put TRUNKS ON SAUROPODS???!!!

[flint stream]

like dude that is sooo curse

[mystic lake]

Yeah that's like saying that dimetrodon had a horn

[mystic lake]

Lol

[flint stream]

wait when that does happen

[mystic lake]

It never did! I am just saying that is absurd

[flint stream]

kyoryu showing dimetrodon but more like uhhh idk what i going to say

[ancient crystal]

Anything is possible with the "but we'll never actually know what dinosaurs looked like" crowd

[mystic lake]

True

[flint stream]

idk about you guys but i think the dimetrodon here is more of fleshy design part of its neck

[mystic lake]

WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS NECK???

And why he is giving me a really intense The Rock's side eye

[flint stream]

cannot tell what happen.

[ancient crystal]

Case and point: this devilry

[mystic lake]

Eheh

[flint stream]

ohh boy not this kind of meme

we need scan, guali, kuintara and tableseating here

[mystic lake]

And a burger

[flint stream]

this is getting outa mah hand

[mystic lake]

Mine too my friend just wrote this

[flint stream]

alr do it

[mystic lake]

No he wrote the and a burger thing

[flint stream]

okay

[sullen cairn]

most scientifically literate twitter post

[mystic lake]

Btw what is your favourite dino?

[flint stream]

[mystic lake]

Mine's Australovenator

[sullen cairn]

ceratosaurus

[mystic lake]

Good choice

[flint stream]

me ? for me its saurophaganax maximus, ceratosaurus nasicornis, pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis, torvosaurus gurneyi

[mystic lake]

Nice

[flint stream]

pachyrhinosaurus and diabloceratops also my favorite dinosaurus. best looking centrosaurine ever

[mystic lake]

What about C. Magnicornis?

[ancient crystal]

Nah, those are too mainstream.

You're not really a dinosaur fan unless your favorite dinosaur is an obscure likely invalid genus from the 1800s that's a fragment of a fragment of a tooth

[nocturne merlin]

guess

[sullen cairn]

regaliceratops is a better centrosaurine than any actual centrosaurine

[mystic lake]

Parasaurolophus walkeri?

[mystic lake]

I also like Deinocheirus

[nocturne merlin]

wrong charonosaurus (jkjk its stegorous )

[flint stream]

cant believe this is exist bro

[mystic lake]

Nice

[bright veldt]

Ceratosaurus only has one species. C. nasicornis. Dentisulcatus and Magnicornis are dead.

[flint stream]

chasmosaurine wannabe

[sullen cairn]

meriani and roechlingi's two fans in shambles

[nocturne merlin]

medusaceratops underrated fr

[mystic lake]

My bad I read this from a out-dated book that as impression probs

[sullen cairn]

you still have ceratosaurus roechlingi which is indeterminate beyond ceratosauridae and meriani which is a tooth taxon

[flint stream]

isnt dentisulcatus with huge horn ontop of its head ?

[sullen cairn]

iirc dentisulcatus' type doesn't preserve the nasals

[mystic lake]

I personally think that Cerato is really underrated by the public constantly bullied in documentaries by Allo

[pure summit]

hi

[mystic lake]

Hello

[flint stream]

tbf tho. this sinoceratops is the better look after JWFK premier

[mystic lake]

My eyes are burning

[flint stream]

maybe the most accurate depiction of sinoceratops atleast in anygame

[mystic lake]

Yeah but my eyes are burning from the resolution

[pure summit]

how is it going

[sullen cairn]

tbf sinoceratops doesnt really show up in any games
besides jw properties at least

[flint stream]

prior extinction does. only in retro sadly

[mystic lake]

Pretty well and you?

[pure summit]

good good

just chilling right now

[flint stream]

the only well preserve of accurate sinoceratop is on prior extinction retro. thats is the only game i know about the more accurate sino

[mystic lake]

And me I never saw one game that had Australovenator in it 🥺

[flint stream]

prior extinction have one and let me show you the real image now

[mystic lake]

REALLY??? Are you sure?

[flint stream]

in you go my little duck friend

[mystic lake]

That's Austroraptor pal

[flint stream]

oh wait, you said austrolovenator, havent

[mystic lake]

Yes i did said Australovenator not Austroraptor

[sullen cairn]

JWE 2 stands out

[flint stream]

its mod

[mystic lake]

Yeah but that one isn't accurate

[mystic lake]

It's dlc

[white matrix]

Official

[mystic lake]

You guys know about that book?

No? Aww…

[carmine badger]

I have this book, but it has a different cover

[mystic lake]

Nicee!!! I have it to!

Sorry GTG

[light osprey]

So real….

[lucid ibex]

CRIES AND SCREAMS I’M SORRY

[velvet burrow]

Probably austroraptor, up there with megaraptor, carnotaurus, giga and argentinosaurus ig

[flint stream]

the only well preserve accurate depiction of sinoceratops is prior extinction retro

[lucid ibex]

What about BoTM and PNSO’s Sinos?

[flint stream]

they to are be best but i only point over games

[dusky ember]

triceratops. i know i'm basic it wasn't a choice it was assigned to me by god

[small geyser]

Deinonychus.

[flint stream]

i think i have more footage on this in ingame footage. ima get grab 1 or two example

[outer tusk]

Yangchuanosaurus

wtf what is the slowmode 50 second 💀

[north plank]

For game: Laten, silly little antigravity feather duster

IRL: Daspletosaurus :3

[vocal breach]

I’m game: Pt Giga or maybe the new Utah when it comes out
Irl: Giga or Utah

[lavish frigate]

The CHAD Tyrannosaurus bataar…..

And any microraptorine because yes

[tough parcel]

T. rex is #1, Gorgosaurus is #2, Torvosaurus #3

[lavish frigate]

Ermmmmmm T.rex is over represented so you aren’t allowed to say anything good about it ever 👆🤓

[outer tusk]

you're safe because Gorgosaurus is there

[outer tusk]

ermm imagine caring about what someone's favorite dinosaurs!!!!

[lavish frigate]

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmm it’s T.rex so I can talk bad about it for zero legitimate reason even though it’s a perfectly valid favorite 👆🤓

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-20348263

[fresh lotus]

My favorite dinosaur would have to be either Shunosaurus or Shuvuuia

[tough parcel]

Lovely Shuvuuiaiaiaiaa

[lavish frigate]

THE COMICALLY FAST KING 👑

[fresh lotus]

Alvarezsauridae gang please rise up 🗣️🗣️🗣️

also a fun fact about Alvarezsaurids is that we actually know what position they slept in, I just can’t remember which Alvarezsauridae in specific we found out about that from.

Okay I found it, it was Jakulinykus.

This specimen was found in a sleeping/resting position which I think is really cute.

[cloud dagger]

I love alvarezsaurids

[uneven path]

check out this awesome paleo channel i found! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApjrO6D4i8I

[elfin dragon]

that thing has some tiny lookin claws

[west drum]

Would it be possible for feathered dinosaurs to do the same?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMf2EHCJ/

[fresh lotus]

probably not

[native kindle]

Shunosaurus or Deinocheirus. Partial to Epidexipteryx as well

[sullen cairn]

it will never not bug me how tall gallimimus is

[native kindle]

DEAR LORD

[outer tusk]

why is the nausto so shrinkwrapped

[outer tusk]

even though it still weights less than the other 2

[warped peak]

Deltadromeus Part 2

[fresh lotus]

clearly a defenseless runner

[outer tusk]

Duh

[fresh lotus]

no, it could not infact kick you with its enormous legs or eat your babies this is misinformation and gallimimus propaganda 🫵

It ran away and died, clearly.

[light osprey]

Ornithomimids, famed hypercarnivores

[fresh lotus]

as we all know, a group of gallimimus could easily overtake a tarbosaurus. The superior ornithomimid cunning.

[flint stream]

wait thats how nasuto in size comparison ?

[tough parcel]

Yah, Nasuto is tiny

[outer tusk]

I mean most ceratopsian are tiny but ofc in this comparion both it and concavenator still large than galli while galli is just taller and longer

[sullen cairn]

obligatory unsolicited tiny centrosaurines

[flint stream]

battle of bigrock make nasuto big

[outer tusk]

I mean a lot of time JP/W will either oversize or undersize a lot it's animals because why not

[flint stream]

atleast some of them bother give research. im still appreciate the feather covering on pyro and theri. or allosaurus with more pronounting hand

well @outer tusk heres my old sino picture

[outer tusk]

classic

[white matrix]

It was one reason tarbosaurus went extinct

[west drum]

Does anyone have the image of a tyrannosaurus skeletal next to an f-22 for scale? I know that image exists I just can’t find it and it’s annoying me

[frosty anvil]

Whats with people saying spino isnt aquatic?

It literally eats fish and is literally built like an aquatic animal fym it aint aquatic?

[woeful falcon]

It's no question it has an affinity for water. To what extent is what comes into question.

One particular detail I attached to was that a giant sail such as Spinosaurus's seems counterproductive for a highly aquatic animal

Creates a lot of drag in an environment where streamlining yourself is the meta. So, that alone raises the question of how aquatic is the supposed aquatic dinosaur actually?

[tough parcel]

Erm blub…sailfish…

[flint stream]

dont tell me its one of the primal carnage spinosaurus skin

[woeful falcon]

:/

[warped peak]

I like the motion that Spino wasn't a major diver, but a high grade adapted surface skimmer.

Using the sail, and it's high buoyancy to stay at the surface of the water, powered by the tail to travel long distances efficiently if it needed to search for food

[halcyon cobalt]

how does a sail help that

[late bone]

has anyone done paleo about microraptor?!

[bright veldt]

???

[mystic lake]

Nvm I read wrong sry

[bright veldt]

Those aren’t the same thing. Truth be told we don’t exactly know but a lot of that comes from the paleontologists arguing about its lifestyle avoiding basic common sense so.

[fresh lotus]

Wouldn’t it also be possible it could also just bound along the bottom like some kind of really messed up hippo?

[tough parcel]

This is still a massive issue for any sort of underwater theory

[native kindle]

why did a surprising number of things evolve sails while having affinity to the water. is there something we're missing about it's use in the water or do these animals just really wanna get laid

[tough parcel]

Insert video of that guy screaming at the top of his lungs going down a tunnel

[fresh lotus]

I hate that I know exactly which video you’re talking about

[tough parcel]

[devout sage]

Is the Tylosaurus or the Mosasaurus longer?

[bright veldt]

Tylosaurus is slightly longer.

[devout sage]

Ty

[plucky basin]

i got a 6.8k word Words page about the the animals of the mesozoic period (ofc i dont got all of them) heres rex

[sullen cairn]

so turns out that one ouranosaurus skeletal is actually very very oversized

[light osprey]

Me when table has dementia

[sullen cairn]

No you see it’s even more oversized than last week

[light osprey]

What an incredible revelation

[sullen cairn]

Redundant? Possibly. Dementiatic(?) Most certainly not.

[timid vigil]

Anyone know any good resources to learn about dinosaurs and other animals from millions years ago?

[nova wind]

I feel like I’d get berated for saying what I think about spino

[plucky basin]

bro you guys ignored me 😦

[stiff osprey]

you didn't ask anything

the sheet is nice, although technically T.rex is found in several other formations besides Hell Creek, Frenchman, Scollard and Lance come to mind

[plucky basin]

ty, its just that i find the hell creek the most iconic one that t. rex is in. Just like allosaurus, i would have put it in the morrison instead of the lourhina formation

here is allosaurus btw

[woeful falcon]

Oh, something worth mentioning about the rex one now that you posted another. King of Tyrant Lizards would be for its full binomial, T. rex. Tyrannosaurus alone means Tyrant Lizard. To be consistent with the Allo one, I would have the Name Meaning section just say "Tyrant Lizard"

[plucky basin]

oh yeah

[heady thunder]

Tyrant Lizard King goes harder them King of the Tyrant Lizards imo, tho theyre both pretty baller and basically the same thing.

[plucky basin]

so which one do ido tyrant lizard or tyrant lizard king?

[woeful falcon]

Tyrant Lizard. "Tyrant lizard king" would refer to rex specifically and exclude any other species, which you don't do with the Allo one

[plucky basin]

mk

fixed it

[woeful falcon]

Very nice yes

Do you plan to include other species for it and Allo

[plucky basin]

i dont really think so...

[sullen cairn]

There is an argument to be made for monotypic allosaurus

[plucky basin]

anyways, which next dinosaur/pterosaur/reptile you wanna see

[woeful falcon]

Table get out

[heady thunder]

If the file is talking about rex only, why not just use the species name for it?

[sullen cairn]

Any abelisaur

[plucky basin]

i got 5 abelisauridae

[woeful falcon]

Expecting my boi carno among them

[heady thunder]

Cant wait for the Allosaurus Fragilis fragilis patch

[sullen cairn]

Would different different lizard just be normal lizard
Cause like double negative

[plucky basin]

oh yeah i also used path of titans pycno for abelisaurus image

[sullen cairn]

What being a partial skull does to a mf

[last iron]

Would be nice if you credited the artists/modelers you use in the sheets

[woeful falcon]

This confused me so much lol

[plucky basin]

what else you guys wanna see? tyrannosauridae? dromaeosauridae? spinosauridae? or any herbivores?

[sullen cairn]

Brachylophosaurus

[last iron]

Yeah, Donatello specifically
()

[woeful falcon]

Gorgosaurus

[sullen cairn]

That’s an awful joke and you should be ashamed

[plucky basin]

i got albertosaurus tho (i dont got brachylophosaurus)

[woeful falcon]

I have to ask, why nanuq for alberto and pot pycno for abelisaurus

[sullen cairn]

Actually nvm this implies there would be like 4+ mummies which would be great

[last iron]

I ate the other 3

[plucky basin]

because i cant find good images

[last iron]

Me

[woeful falcon]

I highly doubt that for alberto. In any case, any image of alberto would be better than an image of a completely different animal

[plucky basin]

i am speechless

[woeful falcon]

That's a new one on me. Artist?

[sullen cairn]

sharpe

[tough parcel]

Actually it was me, I've been doing all the art and Sharpe has been holding me at dartpoint (He is a Primal Carnage sniper main)

[plucky basin]

i also got the swiftest of thieves

[outer tusk]

WHY DID YO USE NANUQSAURUS FROM PREHISTORIC PLANET FOR ABLERTOSAURUS 😭

[plucky basin]

BECAUSE I COULDNT FIND A GOOD ALBERTOSAURUS IMAGE

[topaz shell]

I got you bro

[outer tusk]

what it that hard to type it in the search engine

[light oxide]

Table just sent them this one after the post: #paleontology message

[outer tusk]

I know but am gonna still show them more

[plucky basin]

OH YEAH THAT ONE!

[light oxide]

. . . That's fair. XD

[plucky basin]

we good now?

[outer tusk]

also why is Ekrixinato, Pycnonemo sized

[plucky basin]

idk ask the people that said it was

[outer tusk]

yeah 3.5t is oversized, 1.5t should be more appropriate or just being smaller than carno

[light oxide]

Imagine if they confused Pycno's predicted adult size for Ekrix's size when putting in the values for Ekrix (not you, Pelyophylax -- the people you said the values were from).

[plucky basin]

well any other dino/pterosaur/reptile they wanna see?

[topaz shell]

This weird creature

[plucky basin]

wha

[topaz shell]

Cut that and scrap it nvm

[plucky basin]

okay, lets stick to the iconic

i got pachyc

[tough parcel]

Mfw Jurassic Fight Club is right there for Alberto

Society

[tranquil crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-you-are-my-sunshine-tiktok-good-side-holy-gif-1666146645093941717

[stray saddle]

Which dino is that?

[tranquil crescent]

Lebronicus macrensis

[woeful falcon]

Theodore

[bright veldt]

Ekrixinato is basic abelisaur size tmk. 7 meters 1.1 tons.

[somber nebula]

Found this post on Instagram by @j_stocky_but_mammal involving a trio of Ekrixinatosaurus mauling a Giganotosaurus

The post claimed they were up to 9m in length which is definitely a bit exaggerated

[warped peak]

They used to have estimares that big

[sullen cairn]

Luckily if you want abelisaurs that ate carcharodontosaurids you have earliest Cretaceous Argentina