paleontology

[lavish frigate]

(The thing in the picture isn’t sad. Just a marsupial )

[compact leaf]

I wouldn’t say justification for being named but you can usually get down to at least family (unless you’re dealing with a somphospondyl then who knows what’s going on with it)

I have a deep disdain for somphospondyls

[outer tusk]

how big was megisotherium?

[white matrix]

500-700 kg atm from what AJ gdi’d

[outer tusk]

cool may I see it?

[vast sparrow]

I just saw the Jurassic world dominion giga why does it look like that

[crude latch]

Because it’s Jurassic world

[vast sparrow]

True

[stiff osprey]

*for the smallest individual

the largest being 1-1.5 tonnes

[outer tusk]

Wait fr? Damn it's as big as an allo

[bright veldt]

Sorry? Elaborate/show

[white matrix]

The smaller megistos (most reliable) in which AJ gdi’d dans skeletal got 500-700kg, the two larger megistos got 1000kg-1500kg.

[bright veldt]

how tf have I only heard about this now, oh wait, are they tooth scaling?

[white matrix]

M12049 is a dentary iirc (largest), the other big specimen is a fragment scaling too.

Largest specimen

Second largest, if it’s megisto

[zinc solstice]

Is batodon (the genus batodon not batodonoides) a multituberculate or a primitive placental mammal?

[light osprey]

It’s a non-placental Eutherian

[neat drum]

Dan himself has thrown down some super cool stuff to keep your eyes out for

[light oxide]

NORTH AMERICAN SPINOSAUR?!?!

Also . . . "T. rex butt imprint fossil?"

[sullen cairn]

you really had to....

[neat drum]

Yep, very interesting stuff to be expected

[tough parcel]

Oh boy, here we go again

[light osprey]

Finally! The misinformation has made its way here!

[tacit pine]

gorgonopsid fur?

[white matrix]

Yup

[tacit pine]

its fake?

[white matrix]

No it’s real

[tacit pine]

oh alr sounds cool

[white matrix]

👍

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/you-lie-funny-animals-dogs-stare-liar-gif-16222673

[spring nexus]

The real news…

[lavish frigate]

(But tbh wouldn’t doubt at least one of those things exists somewhere. That being the Rex trace fossil)

[tacit pine]

stegosaurus with 6 thagomizers is weird

[light osprey]

It was actually an Edmontosaurus trace fossil, which shows evidence for filaments

[lavish frigate]

Stop posting cringe in paleo chat! Mods! Fill their stockings with coal!

https://tenor.com/view/mods-fill-his-stocking-with-coal-mods-christmas-lowtiergod-ltg-gif-12645377823045477295

[lavish frigate]

You should probably clear up that this is all very silly goofy and not true before an 11 year old passes it off as fact to another paleo chat

[white matrix]

Bro don’t ruin the joke

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/younge-sheldon-i-dont-have-time-for-jokes-not-funny-jokes-sheldon-cooper-gif-15592946

[light oxide]

Ah . . . So it was fake. Noted.

[sullen cairn]

i am feeling silly (stupid) and have elected to make a pot roster bite force ranking because reasons

[lavish frigate]

Tbh the Pepe emojis should’ve given it away 😔

[tough parcel]

You fool, now people will argue for stat changes

[sullen cairn]

wow this idea is even better than i thought

[idle talon]

What if megalania was a villainous lad responsible for a tethysdraco to lose his eyes?

[woeful falcon]

That's a really old megalania

[lavish frigate]

Casually extending how long that genus has existed

[outer tusk]

What should I change about my Allosaurus?

[ruby moat]

Local beach full to the brim of fossil gastropod shells, I found more and a few bigger ones along with a fossil bivalve! Going back down at another time cause I've seen people find shark teeth and ray plates too.

[idle talon]

The laws of time are mine

I mean hey, megalania’s genus is still around today

[sullen cairn]

skulls

[lavish frigate]

Incorrect

[alpine island]

skull reaction

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-23663947

[sullen cairn]

this may or may not end up being an awful idea

[light osprey]

Allosaurus got quite the snoot

[sullen cairn]

i love projected skull length based on long bones of immature individuals

[lavish frigate]

Wow im proud of PoT paleo chat. I haven’t see a single image under Embargo yet

[sullen cairn]

i now run into the problem of a) what the hell is pete iii's skull length and b) am i supposed to upscale sakamoto's bary or upscale the mandible estimate from rowe and snively/therrien 2005 for sucho

[light osprey]

Solution: give up

[sullen cairn]

but that isn't as funny

[light osprey]

How long is Lythronax’s skull?

[lavish frigate]

This long 🫲 🫱

[sullen cairn]

Prolly depends on the recon

[crude latch]

“Dude I’m telling ya the Gyaat was THIS big”

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/fml-screaming-idgf-yes-internally-screaming-gif-5151701

No

https://tenor.com/view/chlorox-bleach-kid-fury-gif-5348043

[light osprey]

Brick’s I guess

[tough parcel]

Already (partially) being done

[sullen cairn]

Don’t that just like dinosaur king

[tough parcel]

That dinosaur zoo manga is getting an adaptation

[crude latch]

Death, I choose death

[stuck chasm]

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[sullen cairn]

like 81cm

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[light osprey]

So don’t include the surrangular in measurement?

[sullen cairn]

i just do premax-quadratojugal usually

or quadrate but it doesn't make a huge difference

[lavish frigate]

Hey just out of curiosity how would y’all rate these designs on an accuracy scale?

[sullen cairn]

to be [stupid] or not to be [stupid]

[stiff osprey]

bite force papers getting increasingly unhinged

"You see, if you measured the force produced at the center of Spinosaurus's muscles while its skull was being pressed downwards by a gravity equal to the Sun's, it would almost be as hard as Tyrannosaurus's normal bite force"

[rose gate]

Spinosaurus could snap a human arm off or not? 🤔

[crude latch]

What’s an up to date Sauroposeidon skeletal?

I require one asap

[outer tusk]

Depends

[crude latch]

Thx

[formal flare]

Roar

[ruby moat]

Fossil hunting during big storm, worth it

[tawny drift]

wow

[snow python]

Isn't a bit oversized?

[tawny drift]

non the aegyptiacus is bigger.

[snow python]

I thought the largest specimen is like 14,7m

[tawny drift]

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/358689-largest-carnivorous-dinosaur

17 m

[spring nexus]

Lmfao

[hallow spear]

@glass hedge are you ok

[pearl briar]

they're both not related but why r these giving me "The Man in The Suit" vibes

[sullen cairn]

i think the sentiments appreciated and all but I think that might be the wrong falcon

[hallow spear]

Bro😭😭😭

[lavish frigate]

Because (assuming Archesuchus is a man which I genuinely do not know) at least one is indeed a man….in a suit

[fossil ingot]

Yeah and thats not even the Largest Spino
MSNM is not the largest anymore

Here the largest boi atm

[snow python]

What is the current weight estimate? 8,2t?

[ivory pewter]

8.1t based on a 3d model for random's lateral

i forgor who made it

[pearl briar]

WHAT

TMITS IS REAL?!?!?!??!

uhh... maybe nah

[lavish frigate]

Huh 💀I just meant this image is a suit head thing 💀

[pearl briar]

the suit was now their skin

[lavish frigate]

Luckily in the lore that boi in the door isn’t a suit. Just an evil little booger who mimics its dead victims ❤️

[exotic quest]

And the one behind it is there for moral support

[ruby moat]

£20, extremely well preserved trilobite, gang you can even see it's eyes and little bumps and grooves on its body

[ruby moat]

I bought it from a local store, these are actually pretty commonly sold here. They had BIG trilobites even better preserved than this one, you can sorta just buy museum quality fossils

[tough parcel]

Considering Spinosaurus outsizes a human by a factor of 50, yes

Also trilobites are literally so common, I don't think a museum would care for it

[compact leaf]

there’s a trilobite database now too, unrelated but cool

[cloud dagger]

Trilobite database? Does it have pics too

[ruby patio]

Zhuchengtyrannus to the right and the other Wangshi thing to the left

[lucid ibex]

Hey, we have a lot of illustrations of the muscular anatomy of dinosaurs, but just to satiate my curiosity, do we have any diagrams of vascular or even dinosaur nervous systems? Or is there simply not enough evidence or material to even make an educated guess as to how they’d look/function?

[fossil ingot]

I have seen 8.36 t

[tough parcel]

Are you actually saying that

Like is this an unironic correction

[tough parcel]

There might be an air sac system for dinosaurs (iirc there was a study on sauropods for that) but beyond those, nope

[lucid ibex]

:/

[tough parcel]

https://news.westernu.edu/sauro-throat-first-evidence-of-dinosaur-respiratory-infection/

[white matrix]

isn't there a dinosaur with preserved airsacs or smth

[tough parcel]

No

[nocturne merlin]

are you thinking of prehistoric planets dreadnoughtus reconstruction?

[white matrix]

No i remember I seen this one dinosaur which had preserved air-sacs, might be trippin tho

[nocturne merlin]

haplocanthosaurus?

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-air-sacs-of-Haplocanthosaurus-Preserved-elements-of-CM-879-are-shown-in-right_fig10_213776045

[white matrix]

nah it was a theropod of sorts

[compact leaf]

the air sacs themselves aren’t preserved but we have the gaps where they would fit in sauropods

so we pretty much know sauropods have them in a very similar way to birds, I remember hearing something about it in another group too but I can’t remember the paper

[lavish frigate]

Was bird like respiration ancestral to dinosaurs? Or was it a Saurischia thing?

[compact leaf]

hard to say, we don’t really know

there’s a chance it’s not even ancestral to theropoda and aves just converged with sauropods

[lavish frigate]

Oooooh…..that’d be weird

[compact leaf]

if we found an ornithischian with it then it would seem more likely for it to be basal to dinosaurs

but to my knowledge that hasn’t happened

[lavish frigate]

Hmmm so it’s possible feathers are older than the avian respiration style? Fascinating

[zinc solstice]

I mean feathers were found in the lagerpeptids the basal pterosauromorophs so it is possible that basal dinosauromorphs had feathers

So it's likely the last common ancestor of all ornithodirans had feathers

It's possible that as the basal aphanosaurs shrunk in size that they may have evolved feathers to keep their body temperature normal

[lavish frigate]

I love the history of feathers. Just like ten years ago we thought they were Coelurosaur only things but now we know they probably originated before dinosaurs even existed

[light osprey]

We await basal Theriodont fur

[lavish frigate]

We await basal bony fish feathers fr 😔

[zinc solstice]

I wonder how did some arthropods evolve fuzz?

[lavish frigate]

It goes that far back (I joke I joke)

[little mauve]

Don't have any good diagrams on hand but there's historically been work done on both the cardiovascular and nervous systems of dinosaurs. The former having strong implications in the debate over metabolic rate and endothermy and the latter paleobiology and behavior. https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/physiol.00016.2016

I think the lack of diagrams is due to the fact that it would be broadly similar to other vertebrates, i.e. a bunch of veins or nerves spread out throughout the entire body

[serene moat]

What's top 5 biggest theropods, I'm pretty sure rex and giga are 1 and 2 but I forgot how the rest of the order goes

[small kindle]

Barrandeops

Irl it looks better

[bright veldt]

1. Tyrannosaurus (12m, 10 tons)
2. Giganotosaurus (13m, 9 tons)
3. Mapusaurus (13m, 8 tons)
   4+5. Spinosaurus (14m, 7.5 tons), Tyrannotitan (12m, 7.5 tons)

[alpine island]

what about the top 10

[ruby patio]

probably best to ignore sauroniops and baharia

[honest wave]

So do y’all think folks are gonna adopt saying “T. mac”

Because I kinda love it

[craggy kettle]

is very happys

[bright veldt]

1. Tyrannosaurus (12m, 10 tons)
2. Giganotosaurus (13m, 9 tons)
3. Mapusaurus (13m, 8 tons)
   4+5. Spinosaurus (14m, 7.5 tons), Tyrannotitan (12m, 7.5 tons)
   6+7. Carcharodontosaurus (12m, 7 tons), Deinocheirus (12m, 7 tons)
   8, 9, + 10. Acrocanthosaurus (12m, 5.5 tons), Therizinosaurus (11m, 5.5 tons), Tarbosaurus (11m, 5.5 tons)

This is what I have.

[fossil ingot]

Thats for what?
I have kinda a different list

[bright veldt]

It's the general largest theropod dinosaurs.

[sullen cairn]

1. use 11m urc estimate (10m estimate bad because newer measurements or something)
2. scale with pycno gdi
3. top ten theropod material

[serene moat]

Tmac was goated in his prime

[fossil ingot]

I have a list and its Similar but at the same time no
Its probably similar if you take the unstable names out

[light osprey]

Table has brought mercy upon urc, it’s slightly bigger now

[heady thunder]

Rexy got first and second place, truly the goat.

[stiff osprey]

how did they get 3.2 tonnes for pycno when scaling up from carnotaurus gives 2.7t

I like URC way more than i should, but i don't think it makes the top 10

[fossil ingot]

I have that same thing
Top 15(more like top 13 if we ignore the 2 red lol)

[fossil ingot]

Sucho been Top 21 makes me happy ngl

[fossil ingot]

Fr

[heady thunder]

How is Zhycheng bigger then tarbo? The guy has basically no foundation compared to it

[lament orbit]

Chrinoids are common enough that you’re likely to find a good one in any limestone rocks in your backyard garden, always worth a little dig

[stiff osprey]

There is basis for that, a dorsal vertebra attributed to Zhuchengtyrannus is about the size of the average rex's

It's weird that they don't use Giga's larger fragmentary specimen but use Sauroniops and Spinosaurinae indet. though

[fossil ingot]

The Dentary??
He does have the Dentary just more to the right
Or is there a Bigger one?

Tiny ah Letter but If not it doesn't fit lol

[stiff osprey]

oh ok

[bright veldt]

Zhucheng sizes range from smaller than daspleto to bigger than tarbo depending on you scale it. It's whack.

[onyx sedge]

Anyone know pot's Albertas size

[crude latch]

So is this the more accurate Tupa crest? A modder that Ik is saying it is, Bcs fossilized remains of the keratin on the crest shows that it was curved like this?

[bright veldt]

PoT's albertaceratops size is 5 meters, which it was thought to be when it was added, now it's considered to be 6 (My fault. Scaled wrong)

[onyx sedge]

Oh so it's slightly larger than a accurate Alberta?

[bright veldt]

It's a bit speculative. We have presevations of the crest that was between the pair of bones but it didn't necesarily have to be shaped in that way.

[bright veldt]

In PoT's context it's slightly too small, although at the time it was added that was thought to be accurate

[crude latch]

Mk

[woeful falcon]

Accurate Tupandactylus navigans crest mhm

[crude latch]

That was actually a subspecies for the kid but I’m not to sure it’s staying after remodel, it prob will tho

[sullen cairn]

there's a tyrannosauridae indet centrum from the same quarry

for some reason torvo likes to consider it straight-up zhuchengtyrannus without elaborating on the fact it has never been even referred to zhucheng in any capacity

[woeful falcon]

Ye that's why I posted it. I thought it would be funny for someone who didn't know Tupan had two species

[crude latch]

Oh it also had this? Just curious but is this a thing?

[bright veldt]

That looks like Tapejara to me, which if so then that's fine.

[rose thorn]

The crest struts in T.imperator could have supported either a “restricted” fan shape or the more typical round circular shape depending on which skull you look at. It could be less preservation in the “restricted” skull specimens, or be individual variation/gender dimorphism

[crude latch]

Ooh

[rose thorn]

The crest in T.navigans has only the one long frontal strut

[sullen cairn]

this has been surprisingly not that stupid so far

[tough parcel]

Scale’s gonna shatter when you add T.rex

[sullen cairn]

problem solved

[fossil ingot]

Cera stronger Bite then Sucho?
Smh

[tough parcel]

Oh so trug

[fossil ingot]

Whats stronger then Allo there?

[sullen cairn]

das

[tough parcel]

Daspletosaurus, the direct ancestor of the mighty Tyrannosaurus…

[sullen cairn]

now there is the slight problem of i still have no idea what to actually use for pete iii's skull length but no matter how you slice it it'll end up higher than an amnh 680-sized allo

[fossil ingot]

Ngl thought Dasp was gonna br Higher Lol

[sullen cairn]

rowe and sniveley 2021 and its consequences....

[tough parcel]

Who?

[fossil ingot]

Where does Gorgo fits there?

[sullen cairn]

although das would be a bit higher if i used the sakamoto estimate instead of the ransom et al one

[tough parcel]

Probably the same as Das

[white matrix]

Then use sakamato

[fossil ingot]

Nah I would say slightly lower

[tough parcel]

Not exactly the same, but I genuinely would not be surprised if they are really close

Why lower lmao

[white matrix]

Ain’t no way I called sakamoto, salami 💀

[fossil ingot]

I would think more then Sarco
Gorgo iirc can reach 4 tons
Like Crazy, but 3.8 tons looks better

[tough parcel]

What

[fossil ingot]

Cause of the Skull and all but idk lol

[tough parcel]

They’re like the same

[fossil ingot]

Who has a Recent Comparison of Dasp and my boi Gorgo?

[white matrix]

Alberto*

[sullen cairn]

-17kN with ransom et al's estimate and ~14kN with sakamoto's

[tough parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1192845441675567185/1198481677647876136/The_Three_Copies.png?ex=65bf100a&is=65ac9b0a&hm=d7eb2aada4d27310f5de76196dac9c7660b04dc239876f8bbcf12abcb3fbe041&

[sullen cairn]

das is ~18.6kN with sakamoto's estimate scaled to the preliminary pete iii skull length

i should scale allo to some epenterias thing

[white matrix]

Why

[fossil ingot]

Alberto is so weird man lmao

[sullen cairn]

if i'm using an 8t spino might as well

[white matrix]

[sullen cairn]

if we use 10m pycno adult because urc and giant spinosaurus we should logically apply the large terminal morrison allosaurid material to allosaurus as well

[fossil ingot]

Big Bois (except Alberto LMAO that boi is ugly enough)

[tough parcel]

Oh…this chart

[sullen cairn]

fool me once...

[lavish frigate]

I think you mean Albertosaurus libratus

[fossil ingot]

Which are this

[fossil ingot]

Nuh uh

[tough parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928743827882246144/1197957953194578011/Goji_Grapple.gif?ex=65bd2849&is=65aab349&hm=a50505ef81522d8ddcd457d9ead86f488a0f8913b14365e1298ed81f393b0c00&

[lavish frigate]

😈

[sullen cairn]

i have zero faith in the giant private gorgosaurus femurs after the "1.16m albertosaurus femur but actually its a literal phalange" incident

[lavish frigate]

I kid I kid 😔 Gorgo is based

[sullen cairn]

since we're doing tyrannosaur stuff i'm using this as an excuse to drop this

[tough parcel]

Huh…?

[sullen cairn]

the "estimated" femoral lengths here are setting off so many alarms

because there was an "estimated" 1.16m femur before and that ended up being "femur length estimated from single phalange"

[fossil ingot]

Yeah that private Gorgo Femur is 4 tons supposely although for the other is 3.85

[tough parcel]

I see

Can I estimate a femoral length for Gorgosaurus of 3.534 meters? (It’s real because of how exact it is)

[sullen cairn]

the 3.8t gorgo is based off a femoral length of theropod database

[tough parcel]

Oh now that makes more sense

[fossil ingot]

Fr

[sullen cairn]

although the 1.093m femur also seems to be consistently a good bit larger than cmn 2120 in just about all other measurements which is nice

[woeful falcon]

Why

[tough parcel]

He’s got a bucktooth, everyone laugh at him

[sullen cairn]

because acm 7975 was alamotyrannus and according to a 2018 abstract slated to be a new taxon

[woeful falcon]

If you ignore everything that doesn't have a name it becomes less painful

[sullen cairn]

unfortunately for you it technically has an informal name

[woeful falcon]

Informal means no dice babyyy

My favorite tyrannosaurs, big das, big das with lythronax head, smaller das with different lythronax head

Which one is Tyrannosaurus sp.

[tough parcel]

Blub why are you such a hater fr, bringing down the vibe man… :(

[woeful falcon]

I was born of malice...

[tough parcel]

Destined to be the villain…

[sullen cairn]

horneri sobbing rn

[tough parcel]

So wtf is Zoobanks and why is it required to have an entry for a genus/species to be considered valid

[sullen cairn]

zoobank is one of the many ways [they] stay in power

and with that i'm sorry to say but we are terminating your zoobank entry

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-pissi-twitch-7tv-gif-7223094372649290081

[deft sigil]

@steady rock Please do not provoke or antagonize other users. Refer to our #rules
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[steady rock]

i do not know how i was provoking someone, but i apologize and will do better in the future

[gaunt stone]

bluds got that “🤓” face

Sorry about the ping

[ruby patio]

Do you remember how large you got the abelisaurid premax based on the newer measurements

[sullen cairn]

iirc random scaled it to ~11m with majunga/carno
aucasaurus was cursed

[ruby patio]

But its 40% larger than the older measurements 😨

Also what are the two Gorgosaurus sp. in your chart

[sullen cairn]

MOR 1196 and TCM 2001.89.1
the former was referred to libratus in an abstract but i kinda forgot

[snow python]

How heavy was the biggest Dilo?

[sullen cairn]

like 670kg

[ruby patio]

Can you link the paper for MOR 1196. I'm going to update my Tyrannosaurid table

[sullen cairn]

There’s also a gorgosaurus sp. dentary from Judith River fm

Which is said to be pretty old (but not as old as the proposed 1196 age)

[ruby patio]

You should add the Milk River Tyrannosaurid as well

[stiff osprey]

The old premaxilla height measurement was from the toothrow to the bottom of the nares, the new one is from toothrow to top of the naris

I don't know why the length also changed. Evil abelisaur magic i guess

But I cross scaled using height because obviously skull bone length + Carnotaurus is a bad idea

[sullen cairn]

I refuse to stoop down to tooth scaling yet

[ruby patio]

I mean it was said to be comparable to the largest teeth in Daspletosaurus so its probably in the 9 meter range

[ruby patio]

You scaled with Carnotaurus?!

What about Aucasaurus or Llukan

[sullen cairn]

Scaling with aucasaurus is stupid and no
Llukalkan actually might not be half bad

[stiff osprey]

Aucasaurus gives objectively worse results

[sullen cairn]

What could you possibly mean

[stiff osprey]

Also llukalkan's premaxilla is not complete

[ruby patio]

Damn I just made a 14 meter Abelisaurid

[sullen cairn]

This is why we don’t use aucasaurus

[stiff osprey]

Don't worry I once made it 17 meters

[ruby patio]

Nothing compared to 32 meter metacarpal Albertosaurus

When Tyrannosaurus arrived, Albertosaurus ran over to asia on its 11 meter legs

[stiff osprey]

the only thing capable of hunting the broome titanosaur

[ruby patio]

(As an Australian I give my nod of approval)

[sullen cairn]

Every picture tells a story

[stiff osprey]

it's all fun and games until like 4 of the mega albertosaurs i created that day are still real

[ruby patio]

Is there a server where I can ask about Kronosaurus and such

I'm doing a stint at my local museum and I get to see a lot of material first hand

[stiff osprey]

14 meter albert chevron or horseshoe canyon tyrannosaurus. choose wisely mister bond

[sullen cairn]

Y’know it’s never been 100% discluded that the carbon member teeth aren’t tyrannosaurus….

[ruby patio]

Interestingly, the Cedar mountains preserve Allosauroid material both before and after Utahraptor, but not during

[sullen cairn]

god bless those cedar mountain charts

[ruby patio]

Also, the mount for Pete III allegedly has a 1.29 meter femur

[sullen cairn]

that's... big

obviously not the best photo/angle but it doesn't seem nearly that large here

[ruby patio]

Hm you're correct, because the tibia is only 1.03 meters

[stiff osprey]

I think it's now been four times where i looked at pete 3's measurements, thought "yeah this size makes sense" and forgot the size that i got

[sullen cairn]

allosaurus' strongest soldier said the femur's 1.037m which seems pretty congruent with the picture above but at the same time i'm not sure if it should be similar to the scalenbar because the picture isn't a 100% steller ref

[ruby patio]

I don't think Pete III's especially big, its only about 9.6 meters based of ilium length/tail length

[stiff osprey]

well it's almost impossible for scalebar set like that to give an underestimate

[stiff osprey]

I got 9.7 m using tail length but I believe my Daspletosaurus has too long of a tail

[sullen cairn]

i got like 1.032m with just the scalebar so i think it makes sense?

[ruby patio]

Your tail and ilium don't match the holotype

[stiff osprey]

the holotype has like three caudals
but the ilium is indeed from a different specimen (there were no photos of the holotype's in lateral)

[sullen cairn]

anyways a 1.29m femur would look like this which seems like a bit of a stretch

[ruby patio]

The holotype mount was scaled to 8.8 meters or so iirc. Hartman based his vertebrae column of that and got similar

[sullen cairn]

i should scale some wilsoni skull or something with the torosus holotype by skull length because it'd be funnier that way

[stiff osprey]

i'd be surprised if you got anything wacky, daspletosaurus is conservative in size to an annoying degree

[sullen cairn]

i can make it like 2% larger than the type that way

[ruby patio]

How is Random's skeletal like 8% larger than Dan's wilsoni when both have near identical measurements

[stiff osprey]

welcome to daspletosaurus, we have:
1.04 meter femur
1.03 meter femur
1.02 meter femur
1.01 meter femur

[stiff osprey]

shut ip

[stiff osprey]

since sir william's dentary is standard daspleto sized imagine what it would look like if it was actually sue sized

[sullen cairn]

the 6t daspletosaurus

[stiff osprey]

that's what happens when you scale off a bottle cap near the fossil

[sullen cairn]

why did fowler say this

[ruby patio]

WHAT

[stiff osprey]

yeah fowler wasn't helping

[sullen cairn]

i love my 100cm rex skull

[ruby patio]

That's some next level madladding 💀

[sullen cairn]

i mean i guess a 1m rex skull would be a smaller individual, just also not an adult

[ruby patio]

Someone should email GSP and ask him where he got the SW measurements

[stiff osprey]

deinonychus has a skull comparable to some of the smaller tarbosaurus (that one baby that is identical to raptorex)

[sullen cairn]

what did mortimer mean by this?

[nocturne merlin]

sorry to interrupt, apatosaurus dosent have a found skull? so should i just use a brontosaurus skull or some other diplodocud's skull?

[stiff osprey]

Brontosaurus would be your best bet
but if you consider louisae as Apatosaurus then it does have a skull preserved

[sullen cairn]

another day of thanking god that all of the "southern albertosaurines" suck and don't exist so i can avoid downsizing isolated new mexican tyrannosaur tibiae

[pseudo slate]

Why does the category Pseudosuchia contain real crocodiles?

[stiff osprey]

they couldn't find fake crocodiles to put in their place

[sullen cairn]

it was actually supposed to be spelled "soodosuchia" but it was changed to pseudosuchia after it went through ellis island

[pseudo slate]

Paleontologists don't know Greek confirmed

[silk radish]

Dasp, my goat

Ok now serious question, was Tenonto a quadruped, biped or both?

[outer tusk]

biped

[silk radish]

Good to know

[west coral]

probably selective biped like most iguanodonts

[silk radish]

Okeh

[ivory pewter]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dinosaurs/comments/15ocfp3/may_surprise_many_people/

Does this material actually belong to spinosaurus???

[heady thunder]

That comment is basically a PHD paper with all of that yapping.

[heady thunder]

Beat the sh#t out of it duh

[white matrix]

good luck

[lavish frigate]

If it’s arctodus turn into otodus

Is this still accurate?

[ivory pewter]

Fr. This person says that it does belong to spinosaurus because when sereno was doing CT scans on the bones he referred to a found humerus while the humerus in that image is believed to be fake. But from what I know Olof Moleman iirc said that that material may not even belong to spinosaurus. So that's why I asked because I don't know whether it's actually spino material or not

[heady thunder]

I trust the guy to have done his resarch.

[bright veldt]

Tenontosaurus was similar to ouranosaurus in that it was primarily bipedal, with occasional quad when foraging, which is the opposite of hadrosaurs, who are primarily quadropedal.

[silk radish]

Basically the opposite of Iguanadon

[nova summit]

We can’t use gifs here lmao but I wanted to in light of the above comment

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/actually-you-can-its-possible-you-can-do-it-you-got-this-its-doable-gif-15585320

[nova summit]

https://tenor.com/view/summer-break-gif-6269967204638541467

[lavish frigate]

Just don’t get spammy (also good GIF choice)

[nova summit]

Of course! And thank you

[honest wave]

Ayo

My lunch is about over so I don’t have much time to discuss it, but here’s a link to the news article https://cowboystatedaily.com/2024/01/21/dinosaur-world-gaga-over-gnarly-bones-found-in-wyomings-jurassic-mile/

[lavish frigate]

OOOOH. Hope they have them belly scales. Wanna see if it’s like conca

[chilly knot]

amnh 680?

[sullen cairn]

bingo

[white matrix]

Working on a low poly model of what is supposed to be beipiaosaurus, but there aren’t a lot of consistent skeletals or even much consistency in paleoart. Sooo how’s this?

Currently missing details like claws, teeth, and feathers

[bright veldt]

Beipiaosaurus is a tricky dinosaur like you said. The only good skeletal out there is the original that came with its description. However, ONTOP OF THAT. The specimen is a juvenile and probably was significantly larger in life and had different porportions than this.

JFD has their own take on a speculative adult.

Truth be told, because of this, there isn't exactly a wrong way to do bepi so long as basic theri stuff is understood. In your model, the neck could be a tad thicker and the ankle isn't that long in theris. Pretty good 👍

[west drum]

Does anyone have a good up to date genus tree?

or well, family tree

[white matrix]

Thanks!!!

[bright veldt]

For what?

[zinc solstice]

Why do basal synapsids look Identical to basal sauropsids from the time when they recently split from a common ancestor?

[bright veldt]

Explain

[stiff osprey]

Less time since the split = less time to evolve differences = more similar looking

[zinc solstice]

Also I noticed that synapsids are older than sauropsids in the fossil record

[white matrix]

I'm so happy I've found out a trick for getting real Trex teeth for like $50 instead of $300+

[zinc solstice]

That does make sense also explains why the lagerpeptids (basal pterosauromorphs)and lagosuchids (basal dinosauromorphs) look identical and why the first vertebrates in the fossil record look identical to all the non vertebrate primitive chordates living today.

[bright veldt]

That we found anyway. Since we know there was a split between synapsids and sauroposids then they must be as old as each other.

[zinc solstice]

This message may be late but that means that there is a gap from 318.1-312 million years ago in sauropsid evolution

I also noticed that the earliest synapsids and sauropsids in the fossil record lived in Canada and is it possible that the last common ancestor of both groups lived there too?...

[bright veldt]

Hey, I found it! An article w/ an interview with Carlos Saldanha, the director of Ice Age 3 about the dinosaurs of the movie, from around the movie's release via the wayback machine. He confirms Rudy is a Baryonyx. https://web.archive.org/web/20120502000855/http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-29-ice-age-dinosaurs_N.htm

""We went with a baryonyx, which is also known as a spinosaur and has a crocodile look," the artist says of the huge carnivore. Rudy's veiny, red eyes enhance his menacing quality. Other more familiar dinosaurs that appear include troodon, iguanadon, pahycephalosaurus, sauropod, triceratops, pterodactyl and pterosaur."

Also seems to confirm that the sauropod and pterosaurs aren't meant to be any 1 species.

[woeful falcon]

Bless the wayback

[white matrix]

🫢 someone is cooking

[west coral]

”…pterodactyl and pterosaur.”

guh?

[lavish frigate]

My favorite genus of dinosaur “sauropod”

[storm heron]

Well the term "Sauropod" had to come from somewhere

[lavish frigate]

Also sorry for ping

[delicate pelican]

brain fart

[vernal hornet]

Guys

How do you speak with a admin

[outer tusk]

Good question, you don't

[vernal hornet]

They logged me for a day sayin I attacked with a body down but the guy came for water I was a mosa he was alone

[sullen cairn]

This is an outrage

[vernal hornet]

And then all of the sudden he claimed I attacked with a body down like wtf

Yeah?

[outer tusk]

This is the Paleo chat sir

[vernal hornet]

I need help understanding how I can speak with one and show and tell him that’s not how it looked on my screen there was no body

[outer tusk]

This isn't the channel for this

[marsh tapir]

Hey there! You'd need to reach out to the admins of the Community Servers you were playing directly. Furthermore, this channel is dedicated solely to Paleo discussions and should remain on topic. You can check each channel's pinned messages for guidelines on what's the appropriate content for them.

[vernal hornet]

So your a legit thing?

Alderon parrot?

Well here’s my question how do I reach out to them if I got suspended?

That’s the issue I’m at

[sullen cairn]

mods dont like moderate the actual path of titans game servers
i think
maybe
actually idk

[marsh tapir]

We are moderators for the Path of Titans Discord. It's important to note that, if this sanction you're referring is related to Community Servers, you'd need to talk to the admins directly. Most communities have a Discord Server or other Forums that you can reach out to them through, but we'd be unable to further instruct you on how to access these channels.

[vernal hornet]

Yeah that’s what I’m gettin at I’m on the discord serber chat but idk how to go from there

Server*

[marsh tapir]

This is the Official Path of Titans server, not the server you're currently looking for. You need to join and speak with the admins of the Community Server you were playing in, if available.

[dry kindle]

How large was indominus rex irl, I believe that it was much larger than shown in my favourite movie

[jagged trellis]

right so the indom in film was a sub adult and around wut 45 feet long then, adult was suggested i wanna say 55 feet long, can't remember weight tho

[lavish frigate]

This big
🫲 🫱

[woeful falcon]

Bout 300 feet long

[dry kindle]

I think that's too low of an estimate

[lavish frigate]

Five times bigger than monsters resurrected spino….

That’s a few hundred thousand feet long…..

[white matrix]

It says in the movie 135 feet approximately

[fossil ingot]

Indom doesn't really have any canon weight estimates
Most consistant is 7-8 tons through scans tho
(I WON'T TAKE INDOM Panini card as Valid)

[last violet]

Lmao imagine if indom was hundreds of thousands of feet long

Thing would take up the whole map and cross it in 2 steps

[ruby patio]

Absolutely epic Tarbosaurus

[pastel scroll]

Agree tarbo is awesome

But it still loses to acro

Actually idk

[ivory pewter]

Indeed. My favorite 2023 moment was when tarbosaurus jumped off a cliff and became the hw champion

[heady thunder]

We all know rex sold that fight

[sullen cairn]

i don't think i'll ever understand how this channel functions properly

[pearl briar]

uhm... talking abt extinct & extant animals?

[heady thunder]

Im 1000% sure its here to funnel as much of the "rex vs trike" debates the game brings from the other channels.

[tulip dove]

Spinosaurus
That's how it functions

[small kindle]

Carbonemys terrestrial or aquatic?

[subtle sand]

Hello there. I need a medium size semi-aquatic animal that lived during the Cenozoic era (preferably during the paleogene), an animal that could realistically be a pray to an Ambulocetus (even if this animal with the one you are suggesting didn't lived in the same era or environment, this isn't to much of an issue for what i need).

Do you have suggestions ?

For the context, i ask that for a school project (and i'm in a game design school, so creating game concept is what we do most of the time) and, for a project that is quite similar to Path of titan (but with a more solo centric experience), i need a second playable that could have a good semi-aquatic mobility, and one that could have an interesting dynamic with ambulocetus.

For now, i'm doing research for the Coryphodon and the Elomeryx, that could both be good candidate for what i have seen, but if you have other suggestion, i'm here for it.

[nocturne merlin]

semi aquatic, river based i think

[fervent hull]

hey guys, i am working on a realism server and i am looking for some people to help with profiles that really know their stuff! i love dinosaurs but i never really got deep into the science of it and i see some really cool facts in here sometimes. if you are interested please dm me!!!! (must be 18+ per staff requirements)

[tiny holly]

Seeing as you're 1. going with one of the early cetaceans 2. looking for another semi-aquatic, why not go with any early relative of any of the modern mostly-aquatic mammals? So pinnipeds, sirenians or even otters (though those would be far more contemporary than the former two options). If you want paleogene sirenia would be the best option, and I think is fitting too seeing as, like cetaceans, their modern descendents are entirely water bound unlike pinnipeds and otters which are still somewhat terrestrially capable. A good candidate could be something like Pezosiren

[feral arrow]

Adult Indominus rex would be unimaginably op

[nocturne merlin]

how do yall feel about dewlaps and baggy skin on sauropods?

[heady thunder]

Ugly

[tough parcel]

Horrid, do not do

[lavish frigate]

I wish Tarbosaurus existe- oh wait….no no i don’t. Long live Tyrannosaurus bataar! Death to the dread Mcraeensis!

[floral cargo]

Maybe baggy skin in their younger stages but a lot of animals even dogs have baggy skin when there born then as they age it gets tighter because they grow so much, the size of some of the sauropods I don’t see any reason why they would have baggy skin

[tough parcel]

Examples of that outside of dogs because domestic dogs are so inbred and weird because of humans that they are not good examples of how wild animals should look

[heady thunder]

Well those are mammals, not dinosaurs, smth more related would make more sense, and baby crocs dont have baggy skin.

[nocturne merlin]

i meant like rhinos or elephants btw

[tough parcel]

This too, reptiles rarely (if ever) have significant portions of baggy skin

[ancient crystal]

It feels like a lot of people forget that dinoaurs are reptiles nowadays.

I remember seeing someone "unshrinkwrap" a triceratops by applying uniquely mammalian features to one

[tough parcel]

Real

[sullen cairn]

new thing https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0294901

[glossy knot]

I thought was Added The New Subspecies for Smilodon?

[white matrix]

What?

[glossy knot]

you know: Created By @queen drum

[white matrix]

Are you saying xenosmilus is a subspecies of Smilodon? No it isn’t

[glossy knot]

Now Where is it, I Just Saw The Announcement on Ex Argilla's Discord 🐅

[light osprey]

He’s looking glorious

[white matrix]

Tf u saying

[ancient crystal]

[boreal echo]

😭

[blazing mural]

Anyone hear about the megaldon being longer and more slender than believe?

[heady thunder]

Like a mako?

[neat drum]

its possible but the paper isn't very sound so take it with a large chunk of salt

[neat drum]

more like great white proportions than...giant fat chonk proportions

[heady thunder]

So, basically the opposite of what was circulating before

[neat drum]

yeah

we dont exactly have much of otodus to go by so anything about body structure is very sus honestly

[bright veldt]

wrong chat dingus

[marsh tapir]

@cerulean tusk Hey there! This chat is dedicated solely to Paleo discussions. You can check the guidelines for each channel in it's pinned messages. Please use #path-of-titans to talk about your suggested gameplay features. Thank you!

[cerulean tusk]

sorry

[bright veldt]

Megalodon is already the 2nd largest animal aside from the blue whale

[lavish frigate]

Ok I’ll just be the first to say it. Very realistic boi. Very nice hands

So beautiful. And accurate 🤌

[glossy knot]

Well I saw Announcement for New Subspecies Smilodon "Xenosmilus" From The Ex Argilla (By Rospaws)

[white matrix]

U talking about the mod?

[glossy knot]

Yes, But I saw it... But It's Nothing for This Screenshots? But why 😥

[white matrix]

Ion what you trying to say bro

[glossy knot]

Because I was Tell to @queen drum, But She Say "There's No New Subspecies Smilodon on Ex Agrilla"

[white matrix]

huh???

[tough parcel]

The mighty Xenosmilus...hunter of the Titanic...

[white matrix]

<@&538079608914968587> I think our silly goose/ P*rn spammer is back

[tough parcel]

What 😭 no it ain't

They are literally just talking about a mod subspecies

[white matrix]

nah they tried to inject malware last time its def them and they posted the cat in another server

[tough parcel]

Also their discord has been around for 4 years dude

Think before you act

[ancient crystal]

No, this isn't the silly goose, they're just... extremely strange

[white matrix]

"think before you act" bro they posted the cat in ex argilla before

[tough parcel]

Then maybe you should've opened a ticket for here with evidence

[glossy knot]

really, Oh I mean... Yes, I did

[tough parcel]

As far as I've seen, they're just a little lost unless someone wants to perform the silly goose test

[white matrix]

So we allow them to chill ight when they post it dont say I didnt warn anyone

[tough parcel]

Bro make a ticket, there is literally a way to prevent it

[lavish frigate]

Y’all really gonna summon it

[tough parcel]

Don't go "Erm, don't say I didn't warn you 🤓 " and then do no preemptive action 😭

[rocky cypress]

Hey there! Can you please share the details with us via @feral crane?

[glossy knot]

you mean: Xenosmilus is wasn't Mod on New Subspecies of Smilodon?

[white matrix]

Then why weren't they reported when they were here like????

[tough parcel]

Xenosmilus is an entirely unique genus of big cat

[glossy knot]

Really! you got the new subspecies of smilodon already

[tough parcel]

What on earth you saying bro, you just said they posted it in Ex Argilla, not here

Now make the ticket with the evidence or we're gonna ignore him (Not ignore ignore him, I mean don't accuse him)

[tough parcel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenosmilus

No it's a different big cat

[white matrix]

No I mean before when the silly goose was here why didn't someone report him instead of pinging the mods?

what changed?

[tough parcel]

What are you talking about, like genuinely

[glossy knot]

well It's not mod in rospaws

[tough parcel]

Silly goose was active and currently in chat hence why the moderator ping

You are accusing someone that has done nothing as of right now in the server, thus you need to make a ticket with evidence

[white matrix]

When tri/zenob were here everyone was so quick to ping the mods to ban them, when I do so why am I being told to make a ticket lmfao

[tough parcel]

Do read this in-depth and if you can't understand the critical difference, then I can't help you

[white matrix]

yeah

[tough parcel]

I mean, why should he? The point of the chat is for paleontological discussion, not bringing in drama that may not have even happened in the first place

Again, make a ticket and if he did actually do it, he'll get banned

It is literally that simple

I have no idea why you're whining and complaining and sobbing instead of doing it

[rocky cypress]

Let's please get this chat back on paleo related topics. As mentioned, if you have concerns over community members, please DM @feral crane so we can assist with the situation. Thank you!

[white matrix]

No one else has done it in previous instances so that doesn't justify me doing it

[ancient crystal]

[tough parcel]

Anyways, I think today I will downsize Spino even further

It would be funny, I think

Yes we forgive the slip-up

You got it, bossman

[white matrix]

Maybe

[rocky cypress]

Thank you for the ping

[white matrix]

np.

[tough parcel]

Lmao

So is dude just evolving because he's learned no-one cares about him anymore

[ancient crystal]

I'm not sure, as far as I'm aware sean predates the silly goose.

Unless that was their main account and everything else are alts?

[white matrix]

They have brought old accounts before too you can ask @woeful falcon he’s seen them before as well

[ancient crystal]

I'm honestly just surprised how far this whole thing goes tbh

[lavish frigate]

Oh no did the silly goose stinker appear

[ancient crystal]

I want a cohesive history of paleochat's encounters with the silly goose and kin

Make it something of folklore

[lavish frigate]

Same. I need to know how this started

I want the lore…..

[tough parcel]

Are you guys happy that I shrunk Spino I did it for you guys...

[lavish frigate]

I need the lore in honor of Matthew Patrick

[ancient crystal]

But present it in the same style as Weird Birds. I think that would be funny

[tough parcel]

Ignore the massive distance between Spino and girl, there is definitely not a larger specimen mixed in

[lavish frigate]

Why does this paleo chat love shrinking things….

[tough parcel]

I do it so I feel better about myself

Considering old Spino was 15 tons, it is a bit smaller

[lavish frigate]

“Weird goose” presented by PoT paleo chat. (He’s just peeking through the door holding some horrible image)

[tough parcel]

Gooberish behavior...

[compact leaf]

now make torosaurus bigger, for chaos-sake

[tough parcel]

Hmm what if I do T. rex

[compact leaf]

no it has to be toro so we can say that it could mop the floor with rex

[tough parcel]

[compact leaf]

trike is too cliche, has to be toro

[tough parcel]

Sobbing

[compact leaf]

then, I'm going to make edmontonia bigger

edmontonia is one of my favorites the poor thing doesn't get enough attention

[tough parcel]

[compact leaf]

you can't tell me you don't like edmontonia falcon

it is impossible to dislike him, he is perfect

[tough parcel]

Sauropelta better ngl...

[compact leaf]

sauropelta is top tier too

as I've matured and aged I realized how much I love nodosaurids, they're always there just being cool and unproblematic

[storm heron]

You all are sleeping on Peloroplites

[tough parcel]

Yea because it sucks

[storm heron]

Its a giant Nodosaurid, I find that interesting

[compact leaf]

now that’s just hurtful

[tough parcel]

[storm heron]

Well, can't hurt something that has been dead ~93mya

[tough parcel]

Oh actually, I just saw the name definition, this actually goes so hard wtf

[storm heron]

Its a very fitting name.

[tough parcel]

Instantly converted Peloroplites fan

[storm heron]

Pffft, that was fast

[stiff osprey]

I've been a Peloroplites fan since I saw that photo of it next to Jim Kirkland

If only it were better described

[compact leaf]

Jim Kirkland is not a small man, that picture is terrifying

[tough parcel]

Why are there no official stats on Jim Kirkland, I want to know his height and combat viability...

[stiff osprey]

Simply find out the height of the poorly described nodosaur in the exact posture of that mount, and then you'll know Kirkland's height

[tough parcel]

Wait, I have that actually

If Peloro is ~10m in shoulder height, we can logically conclude Kirkland is at least 8m in height, thus meaning that Sereno and Ibrahim would need to put aside their differences and team up after Sereno gets thrown around like a ragdoll by Kirkland

[stiff osprey]

Wow he's even taller than a green anaconda is wide

[tough parcel]

You mean length right

[tough parcel]

The...

[woeful falcon]

Wtf....

[storm heron]

Just reduce the spike/horns on its head and the club, and its not that far.

[stiff osprey]

Actually y'know what, I'm just gonna scale Peloroplites

[tough parcel]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOO

[storm heron]

Didn't Table scale Peloroplites

[tough parcel]

Ok but that's Table so he probably shrank it by a factor of 10 or upsized it by a factor of 50

[storm heron]

I don't remember the exact length but it was very large for a Nodosaurid.

Ha,

[compact leaf]

W

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-based-breathtaking-gif-22127601

[stiff osprey]

okay, based on the scalebars in Carpenter's paper, Peloroplites is 2.4 meters from the snout to the 12th dorsal

with GSP's Gastonia skeletal that makes it 6.2 m long in total, 6.4m using Hartman's

[tough parcel]

I have never in my life been so utterly let down...me when no picture :(

[compact leaf]

that doesn't sound like much because I'm sauropod desensitized but considering it's a nodosaur that's a big boy

[stiff osprey]

Bro thought I'd draw a skeletal in 13 minutes

[tough parcel]

No I just kinda thought you'd...scale a skeletal or smth :(

But I will do what I must

[light osprey]

That would just be I think something of a tie with the other largest Nodosaurs?

[tough parcel]

Oops, I overshot a lil bit

[stiff osprey]

It's pretty long legged though

[tough parcel]

Hrgh

Here

[stiff osprey]

Hm it appears i've accidentally made it huge

[light osprey]

Oh it’s hideous

[rose gate]

Trot speed increase

[compact leaf]

like the ones falcon posted or did you make it even bigger?

[stiff osprey]

help it's almost 7 m now

[compact leaf]

oh dear

[light osprey]

Speaking of fellas, what’s the word with Patagopelta

[tough parcel]

Random accidentally dropped the radioactive waste in his attic on it, oh god oh frick

[storm heron]

Woah, Random upsizing something?

[stiff osprey]

It's late and I'm eepy, have this

[compact leaf]

wide load

[stiff osprey]

Might be off because it is scalebar based

But I got 6.9 m which is similar to the 6.7 m I got years ago using the mount

[tough parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-still-alive-still-alive-he-is-still-alive-hes-not-dead-monsterverse-gif-22019904

[stiff osprey]

Since Peloroplites's osteoderms are unknown I can claim my wildly out of scale PNSO Borealopelta is actually Peloroplites

Another W for nodosaurids

[sullen cairn]

can someone catch me up on what i missed here in the past six hours because i'm too lazy to try and figure it out myself

man

[ancient crystal]

But this silly goose was especially silly because the account is almost 4 years old

The lore, it expands

[sullen cairn]

ngl silly goose was funnier before the novelty wore off three months ago

[compact leaf]

and random upsized peloroplites

[sullen cairn]

to...

[compact leaf]

6.9m

nice

[sullen cairn]

wasn't it always like 7m

[stiff osprey]

according to wikipedia it is 5.5 to 6 m

which is just silly when it's a polacanthine with a near 60 cm skull

[sullen cairn]

if only someone had scaled the large skull of the animal several months ago...

[compact leaf]

I'm just happy to have the big man, giant nodosaur W

[stiff osprey]

i mean i've known it's closer to 7m for some five years now

but it was nice to make a not-just-skull scaling

[sullen cairn]

on that note someone should kill confirm gsp's giant cedarpelta

[stiff osprey]

sadly it is a basal ankylosaurid so i can't just shove its bones into gastonia

[ancient crystal]

True, but now its the best term to describe them given the context and they show no sign of quitting so we're stuck until they get bored

[sullen cairn]

why does the only recent cedarpelta artwork have to be this

[stiff osprey]

joschua please

is that siats restored as a derived megaraptoran

[sullen cairn]

its projected adult moros

[wintry path]

intrepedus?

[compact leaf]

where exactly is moros sitting right now? I haven’t kept up with derived theropods

[bright veldt]

Isn't it just a general tyrannosauroid?

[sullen cairn]

~xiongguanlong-alectrosaurus grade tyrannosauroid thing

[wintry path]

is t.mcraeenis still a relative topic?

[sullen cairn]

people still talk about it yeah

[stiff osprey]

from the point of view of a tarbosaurus or perhaps a zhuchengtyrannus, yes, it'd be a relative

[sullen cairn]

i feel like we both interpreted that question in completely opposite directions

[stiff osprey]

spirit of the law vs letter of the law

[wintry path]

would you agree with this

[sullen cairn]

[wintry path]

a very large guy

[sullen cairn]

i still find the fact lancian incorporated cm 9401 into the thing hilarious

[stiff osprey]

this is the correct way to incorporate your headcanons into a reconstruction

do it so subtly that only like three people will notice you did anything

[sullen cairn]

is there a lore reason lancian used deinosuchus material when reconstructing tyrannosaurus?

still struggling to believe that happened multiple separate times

i just realized mcraeensis got published within like two months of the bistahieverse infecting koi

[stiff osprey]

t.mcraensis never existed. it was just a hybrid of tyrannosaurus rex and deinosuchus

[sullen cairn]

real Deinotyrannus hours

oh crap so it was literally a month between the first mention of "bistahieverse" and mcraeensis being published
did we know?

on the deinotyrannus has better lore behind it and can be used to bug lancian to its better

[lavish frigate]

Wouldn’t it be funny if the small inconsistencies with supposed nano fossils were actually just slightly different because they were T. Mcraeensis 💀

[sullen cairn]

indeed

i blame darth for breaking my sense of humor around tyrannosaurs

[lavish frigate]

Well idk about that since “Nanotyrannus” is a genus name. Idk what nanos species name is but I think it might carry over?

[wintry path]

what allosaurid is this

[sullen cairn]

McDermott

[wintry path]

😃

[lavish frigate]

Robloxasaurus Cubensis

[wintry path]

patiently waiting for gorosaurus to become a reality as a new species claims the name

[lavish frigate]

Chad Bary is typing…

No I mean it’d still be Tyrannosaurus. But ig it’d be Tyrannosaurus Lancensis

What…what’s the bad ending

Well then T. Mcraeensis would have to be its own genus

Also this is where I am legally required to blast some Tyrannosaurus bataar propaganda so….

I was looking for one….then I found this……I have never seen quad spino with the tadpole thing going on

I was trying to find one but they were all old enough to still have raptorex on them….

[ruby patio]

Coelurosaurid(?) looking metatarsal from Wadi milk

[nocturne merlin]

anybody have a good changyuraptor skeletal? i cant seem to find one

[pearl briar]

NOOO HE GOT MY BOY
https://youtu.be/KC4jakgS7PQ?si=7tI2Dp3wkrSnS0y8

[ancient crystal]

What are the valid Deinosuchus species again?

[light osprey]

riograndensis and rugosus 😈

[ancient crystal]

I feel like those are the two that I specifically remember as invalid

[undone parcel]

theres hatcheri and Schwimmeri but i think Schwimmeri is the most dubious one

as of 2020 rugosus is considered undiagnostic and named Schwimmeri alternatively for the Appalachian material, and the type species hatcheri is rather poor so its suggested Riograndensis becomes the new type species

[pearl briar]

hatcheri

[outer tusk]

Rugosus & Schi

[tacit pine]

Gorosaurus!

[tranquil quartz]

He must be stopped

[wintry path]

😃

[chilly knot]

megar siats

[ruby moat]

Preserved Hollardops

[wintry path]

he looks so crunchy

[sudden wind]

Yeah the hand is well done.

However, the arm feathers are not really perfect. Flight feathers are absent in almost every avians on the humerus.

[wintry path]

but its natural to assume there’d be some sort of feathering there

[sudden wind]

Yes, but not these sort of feathers.

[wintry path]

yah (praying for a featherless subspecies)

[sudden wind]

https://twitter.com/BeyondOur_W0rld/status/1677180615169576961

𓅓𓅂 AZ Naturalism 𓅃𓅐 (@BeyondOur_W0rld) on X

Your Wings are (Probably) Wrong, a thread discussing the multitude of interpretations on non ave wing reconstruction, some of their faults, and an updated reconstruction applying these characteristics.

Twitter · Jul 7, 2023, 4:59 AM

[nocturne merlin]

.

[tough parcel]

Oooof the only one is David Peters

Does it need to be Changyu?

[nocturne merlin]

kinda, cant find one other than a single one that just displays size

[serene moat]

What's the sizes for cerato

[light osprey]

Do the tertials extend on the distal end of the humerus?

[sullen cairn]

~7m, couple dozen centimers more if you engage in silly skull scaling

[nocturne merlin]

this work? i cant even tell if its meant to be changyu or ornitolestes

[tough parcel]

That would be Peters, never use him

[nocturne merlin]

whys that?

[tough parcel]

He's a special guy

Generally referred to as "paleo crackpot"

[nocturne merlin]

ill just base it off another microraptorid

[distant kraken]

Ah, Ibrahim still annoying people to this day.

[sudden wind]

no

[zinc solstice]

If basal galeaspids had no dorsal fin butt fin or pelvic fin and pectoral fins and adipose fins like the Ordovician fish like arandaspis but advanced galeaspids have all those fins then did those fins seen in modern jawed fish evolve first in galeaspids?

[serene moat]

Do u have a side by side comparison of triceratops next to eo,m

Like irl versions not ingame ones

[light osprey]

So nought this

[sage cave]

How large was spinosaurs compared to suchomimus?

[bright veldt]

About 50% larger, but you wouldn't really know it looking at them side by side.

[sage cave]

Damn sucho is big

[tough parcel]

That…looks off

[heady thunder]

Spino has 3 tons on the spine

[light osprey]

Spinosaurus has very Osteosclerotic bones so it all seems to add up

[frosty cedar]

Been abscent from this server for a loooong time, feels good to be back. I also have a question:
If pterosaurs were alive today, would they be able to fly in today's atmosphere/gravity? I'm just arguing with one dude who seems to wholeheartedly believe that gravity at the time of dinosaurs was lower.

[light osprey]

Well, it wasn’t

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, so I'm not going crazy. Everyone I asked and everything I looked up says the same. But that guy is stubborn lmao.

[ancient crystal]

Stupid people often are

[frosty cedar]

I mean, he also said planes without jet engines don't exist. So.......................................

[light osprey]

The size of Pterosaurs is not so unusual amongst volant Ornithodirans

[lavish frigate]

Wright Brothers honest reaction to that statement:

[frosty cedar]

Yeah hahah)).

[stiff osprey]

For gravity to be stronger Earth's mass would have to be higher in the Mesozoic, which obviously it wasn't. If anything it's heavier today since it's had more time for meteors and other space debris to fall in

But the amount of mass it's gained since then is insignificant compared to the total weight of the Earth, so the difference in gravity wouldn't be noticeable

[frosty cedar]

Yeah. And he said quetz is too big and heavy to fly lmao.

What is the max weight allowed to fly in his opinion? 70kg? Such a weird dude.

[lavish frigate]

I really want to know his answer for why quetz had giant freakin wings 💀

[frosty cedar]

We are chatting in telegram, and he STIL says that quetz is too heavy.

[lavish frigate]

Wish I could read that lol

[frosty cedar]

He says that 500kg is too much. Did he see the size of that damn thing? (I'm russian)

He agrees with the fact that to fly animals need to have small weight. But he for some god damn reason fails to see that for a size of quetz 500kg is pretty light.

[white matrix]

Did you guys know dinosaurs are robots the jurassic government made to spy on communist hatzes

[bright veldt]

Quetzalcoatlus was like 350 kg

[frosty cedar]

#paleontology at 3 am

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, I was rounding it up a bit. I remember that quetz weighed lower than 500 but forgot the exact number, so I went with 500kg.

[frosty cedar]

Also a comparison with spino skeletal also by Dan Folkes.

[sage cave]

Ty!

[frosty cedar]

No problem. Just wanted to make one fast with skeletals made by the same person.

[uncut otter]

Never realized how similar they were

[frosty cedar]

Well... I always saw suchomimus as just spinosaurus, but slightly smaller and without the sail.

[uncut otter]

Yeah I always thought that too I remember watching a video about most of the spinosaurid family tree they’re not too distantly related but there’s a good bit of time I believe

[bright veldt]

By spinosaur standards sucho and spino aren't that close. They're on opposite sides of the family tree. Baryonycines vs Spinosaurines n' all that

[frosty cedar]

Yup.

[uncut otter]

Yeah just wait till we find out sucho is just a female spino tho

[sullen cairn]

"personally i can't imagine why someone would like a clade where all the members end up looking/being portrayed as the exact same"

[uncut otter]

Imagine tho

[frosty cedar]

Not the craziest spino crackpot theory I heard.

[uncut otter]

So many paleontologists would want to murk people

[outer tusk]

random's is better simply

[frosty cedar]

Maybe. I like both tbh.

[sullen cairn]

me when the skeletal has three less caudals (all hope is lost, it will forever be useless as a reference)

[outer tusk]

ngl no fofense to Dan but his latest spino is ugly to me

[light osprey]

Carnotaurus and Majungasaurus the only two Abelisaur morphotypes

[uncut otter]

What’s the oddest version you’ve seen of spinosaurus’s stance

[sullen cairn]

*Carnotaurus and Majungasaurus the only two Abelisaur.

[outer tusk]

YO REAL!

[uncut otter]

Looks like there’s at least ten species of abelisaurids

[light osprey]

You’ve been misinformed

[sullen cairn]

and none of them matter for a variety of reasons

[frosty cedar]

Purely stylistically, the previous one was the ugly in my opinion. It's just soooooo.... ugh. It's so lumpy. But again, personal preference.

[sullen cairn]

iirc there's like 40 odd named taxa though

[uncut otter]

Not really confirmed because freaking fragments remains

[light osprey]

Betasuchus our beloved

[uncut otter]

Let’s all just remember we could have known what spino actually looked like if ww2 didn’t happen

[sullen cairn]

tbf we have a pretty good handle on what it looked like nowadays

[frosty cedar]

Yeah.

[uncut otter]

Yeah just wish we didn’t rely on mostly fragments that’s my main gripe with a lot of stuff

[frosty cedar]

Paleonthology experience.

[uncut otter]

Yeah

[frosty cedar]

I liked the part when spinosaurus opened the frill and started spewing black goo.

[uncut otter]

I always feel it’s legs are too short

I know it couldn’t stand to tall but it feels so short at the same time

[frosty cedar]

True, but I also like the part when it took a comically large spoon out of nowhere and started catching fish with it.

[compact leaf]

we also know what a lot of the holotype material looked like in pretty good detail, Stromer left some great notes

[uncut otter]

I get the quadruped stance and the bipedal stance but it still seems so odd

Hail stromer

[frosty cedar]

And then take out the prey using comically large spoon.

[light osprey]

The great Basilisk Lizard, Heron, Cormorant, Stork (sometimes)

[uncut otter]

It then buried the body to let the eggs safely incubate and then the young would feast and dig they’re way out

[frosty cedar]

I thought the young ones only burst throught the chest and then run away, no?

[uncut otter]

More like shark pups like bull were the weak are killed till 1 or 2 survive in the end

[frosty cedar]

Or all at once.

[uncut otter]

This devolved quickly

[frosty cedar]

Just like the ice cream I planned to eat with the comically large spoon.

[uncut otter]

Anyone remember the most dangerous para

[west coral]

it ran on water?

[frosty cedar]

they find someone else's pride and take over it
Spinosaurus the Conqueror

[light osprey]

Well yes!

[sullen cairn]

inshallah spinosaurus shall dive

[frosty cedar]

This is peak paleonthology, ladies and gentlemen.

[uncut otter]

It could generate fish and had the first known bread in its possession thus its fossil could not survive

[frosty cedar]

It really doesn't get better than this.

[uncut otter]

Would not mind if spino behaved like lions though it would be interesting

[light osprey]

Least ridiculous Spinosaur ecology

[sullen cairn]

me when i'm in a being called 1t because the other species nobody cares about is 1t even though the species that is actually relevant to literally any actual discussion ever is several hundred kilos smaller and my opponent is tenontosaurus

[uncut otter]

Imagine if spinosaurus’s “sail” was actually the supporting structure for a shell

[frosty cedar]

me when the chat becomes Who wins in the fight? contest

[uncut otter]

Who wins spino or T. rex lol

[west coral]

atleast we have Iani so teno isn’t the only rhabdodont in NA

[frosty cedar]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[light osprey]

Tenontosaurus dossi lost and most certainly forgotten

[uncut otter]

Also very important win for Megalodon fans they made it longer since the discovery it’s not an ancestor to great whites think by 10 or 12 feet minimum

[frosty cedar]

Wait, I know who.

Frendship wins.

[sullen cairn]

so sad i wish i cared

[uncut otter]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-meme-cry-about-it-cry-about-it-meme-gif-spino-spinosaurus-gif-26003040

[frosty cedar]

Dunkleosteus fans when it becomes compressed

[uncut otter]

Saw that was kinda sad

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, how far dunky boi fallen, huh?

The size of the great white shark. Pathetic.

[uncut otter]

Extremely like just be bigger

Ima do the dishes real quick💀 continue this later

[frosty cedar]

But at least we have funi haha big round fibsh

[bright veldt]

Still like 2,000 lbs

[frosty cedar]

Creating god damn tornadoes that will take fish and rain it down from the sky.

Atheists be like:
With the power of science.

Lmao.

Behold, my weather-control-inator!

[pastel scroll]

For real it also knows how to open up its spine and store fish and can swim at 9999999999 mph

[sullen cairn]

man baryonyx is small

[frosty cedar]

Spinosaurus had the first portable samsung fridge this entire time.

[uncut otter]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=B7IXLJ494vs&si=UhDOojLxLNvGiCL0

[pastel scroll]

For real

[uncut otter]

Very useful if you want to sound smart when you talk here

[pastel scroll]

I forgot if Stan was a smaller tyrannosaurus specimen or a mid sized specimen

[frosty cedar]

Lmao.

[sullen cairn]

if you want to sound smart here just say deranged nonsense like me

[frosty cedar]

Eh... Questionable tactic.

[tough parcel]

Why did you make the scale chart before me, that’s not nice…

[sullen cairn]

because i need an excuse to remake a ceratosuchops skullswap

[tough parcel]

Oh ok

[heady thunder]

Use different skeletals for uniqueness points

[tough parcel]

True! Gimme a sec

[pastel scroll]

gUYS I LoVE tYRANNOSARUs rEX ITS MY fAvOriTe DinoSauR

[tough parcel]

I need a sandwich

And yea, rex is my favorite dinosaur, your point?

[frosty cedar]

He is literally me.

[sullen cairn]

lmfao

[frosty cedar]

Hahah)).

[tough parcel]

Holy god, I

[heady thunder]

Same, never forget that Rex now has both number one and two spot in the biggest and coolest theropod list.

[pastel scroll]

Ok but for real I remember seeing someone actually think giga is bigger than Rex

[tough parcel]

I mean…it kinda is

[frosty cedar]

All 3 are big boys.

[pastel scroll]

Idk about that 11 ton giga

[jagged trellis]

giga and rexes weight has varied but giga is abit longer rn ja?

[tough parcel]

Average v average giga and rex, giga’s bigger

[light osprey]

The average Giganotosaurus is 9.9874829375 Tonnes

[pastel scroll]

Yeah

[sullen cairn]

sample size of 1.5

[heady thunder]

1.0013

[pastel scroll]

I’m about to drop a video (it’s about to be cringe but I want you guys to suffer)

[tough parcel]

I am risking this knife dropping onto my foot

But erm, if out of a sample size of 1.5 with both specimens being 9+ tons, this means Giga average is over 10 🤓

[pastel scroll]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ygpTFEiyESA?si=gBiu3jtACUbUaQIB

[light osprey]

This means we’re just waiting to discover a swath of small adult Tyrannosaurus reducing its average size to 4 tonnes

[pastel scroll]

Fax

[heady thunder]

If you halve the specimens value, you should halve the weight

[frosty cedar]

Ahhh, yes. Youtube shorts dinosaur edits..................

[pastel scroll]

I don’t use TikTok that’s the land of the getto and retarted

[sullen cairn]

giant parasaurolophus when i use hartman's skeletal

[frosty cedar]

This is actually legendary, I will save it and tell to the future generations.

[pastel scroll]

What is the size estimate for Astrogosuchus

[light osprey]

About the size of Alligator sinensis

[tough parcel]

I want to make a really mean comment, but it'd get me muted or banned so

[light osprey]

Actually that’s too big more like Paleosuchus palpebrosus

[bright veldt]

pfffff

[pastel scroll]

Astrogoduchus bugtiensis

[white matrix]

Did you guys know that,spinosaurus is actually an attack submarine fitted with high explosive torpedos

[pastel scroll]

Deinosuchus hatcheri victim alert

[tough parcel]

"Spinosaurus changes so much" mfs when I show them the last major update (3 years ago)

[sullen cairn]

slave to the system

[light osprey]

When will we discover Spinosaurus’ true form 💯💯🔥🔥 (incoming new Dentary tooth count or something)

[pastel scroll]

Someone said Astrogosuchus can defeat paraceratherium

[tough parcel]

Probably could

[pastel scroll]

Hold is Astrogosuchus bigger than deinosuchus hatcheri?

[tough parcel]

@sullen cairn Look at this, why is the image size so much bigger than Hartman's recent skeletals 😭

[frosty cedar]

Me when the big crocodile is NOT the size of deinosuchus 😱

[sullen cairn]

why are u looking at the 20 year old one

[tough parcel]

Me the Deinosuchus is NOT the size of (the popularized) Deinosuchus

[tough parcel]

Wait wait, I have a reason, gimme a second

[pastel scroll]

So it’s not 14 meters and 13-14 tons?

[light osprey]

Nah that’s the smaller species

[tough parcel]

No

[frosty cedar]

Wait, what?

[pastel scroll]

Deinosuchus hatcheri is estimated to be 14 meters and 13-14 tons

[uncut otter]

No duh of course it walks what else is it supposed to do

[frosty cedar]

It's not? I've been lied to?

[tough parcel]

Pending investigation

[uncut otter]

Not trying to be rude btw

[frosty cedar]

Nevermind.

[uncut otter]

But why have legs not to use them

[tough parcel]

@frosty cedar Here

[light osprey]

The material in question is not bountiful to put into words of a sort iirc

[pastel scroll]

Ik basically just here to talk about crocodilians

[uncut otter]

Like some sneaks have vestigial legs that are kinda funny

[tough parcel]

What does that mean, I never said anything about walking

[uncut otter]

Making fun of its name

[tough parcel]

[frosty cedar]

Here where?

[uncut otter]

Baryonyx “walkeri”

[frosty cedar]

Les gooo.

[stiff osprey]

Why is none of the last 30 messages remotely logical

[light osprey]

The classic Hartman posture ❤️

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dont-hurt-me-mike-ohearn-jokester-joke-funny-gif-27699537

[tough parcel]

Genuinely could not tell you

[uncut otter]

https://tenor.com/view/blues-clues-steve-because-were-really-smart-small-we-are-really-smart-gif-21964607

[tough parcel]

I think we were hit with an SCP stupidfying beam, that's the only answer

[frosty cedar]

Why is spino not the size of the blue whale?

[sullen cairn]

spino"saurus"

[pseudo slate]

if rex > spino because of mass, why not hatz > quetz

[tough parcel]

@sullen cairn Table, bring up random's "Spinosaurus new species" based on that paper estimating sizes from the early 2000s

[west coral]

that is one old spinosaurus paper

[stiff osprey]

Lmao
"Jamie pull up the spinozilla 2"

[tough parcel]

Because Quetz-Hatz is a significantly smaller size difference to Rex-Spino

[pseudo slate]

hatz was found much later and is not as famous (yet) i guess

[frosty cedar]

Finally.

[pseudo slate]

and most people generally care about dinosaurs/land reptiles more

[light osprey]

Montanaspinus skeletal dropped?

[frosty cedar]

We achieved greatness.

[tough parcel]

This image evokes such fear and awe in me, nature is truly astonishing...

[frosty cedar]

real

[sullen cairn]

https://twitter.com/_paleogeek_/status/1509724767808536581?s=21&t=Th752-aW8VYe49wO99hklA

🐦✨ Alex Vieira 🦖🦕 (@_PaleoGeek_) on X

Just my luck I finish my chart and yet another new spinosaurid is described. 🤦‍♂️ Anywho, say hello to the first known North American speen, Arizonaspinus cristati!

Twitter · Apr 1, 2022, 2:50 AM

[frosty cedar]

WHAT?

[uncut otter]

Find the best spinosaurid holotype you can then draw over it

[tough parcel]

Yes because Rex is like Godzilla, it's the perfect organism so everything in the environment would evolve to mimic it like in the anime trilogy

[frosty cedar]

MONTANASPINUS REAL.

[uncut otter]

WAIT what we have a spoon in America

[tough parcel]

What have you done

You forgot to bring up the Maas HC carcharodontosaur

[pseudo slate]

south america has a real spino

[sullen cairn]

well that one's technically just a thesis still

[tough parcel]

Fair...

[frosty cedar]

Yes. Apparently. Never thought I would know about this so randomly lmao.)))

Can it beat t-rex tho?

[uncut otter]

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-reaction-meme-cartoon-tom-and-jerry-gif-20751050

I can die happy

[pseudo slate]

thats what i meant but one guy asked whether "america" had spinos

[light osprey]

Bauruspinus

[uncut otter]

Considering it’s about the height of a person it’s a solid maybe

[pseudo slate]

irritator best name

[frosty cedar]

Now that american eagle screech spinosaurus is found, I can die happy too.

[pseudo slate]

oxalaia is the only big spino outside of north africa right?

like with a big sail on its back

thats ok

true i just looked it up

it sits between spino aegyptiacus and suchomimus in terms of sail

[sullen cairn]

its like
a skull

[uncut otter]

Didn’t irritator get a size up

[frosty cedar]

Does sucho even have an actual sail?

[pseudo slate]

if you look at its skeleton definitely

its just not big at all

[frosty cedar]

It's like with acrocanthosaurus. It's more like a big hump.

[pseudo slate]

yeah

[uncut otter]

They found a significantly bigger skull compared to the original causing them to believe that the holotype one was a early sub adult/late adolescent I believe

[pseudo slate]

barsboldia has one too right? i thought if you a dino was part of the spino family it had to have that + the croc like skull