paleontology

[light osprey]

Same. Gets me giddy just thinking about it

[frosty anvil]

i could be sleeping in the exact spot a dinosaur did 66 million years ago, right now

[surreal stone]

same aswell, dude we missed out on so mucb

[surreal stone]

you PROBABLY ARE, thats straight up crazy

[light osprey]

Sometimes I imagine what an Attenborough documentary would look like on the more weird and wacky animals

[frosty anvil]

like DUDE. Look at the wildlife we have today!

then look at the weirdos we had back then during the mesozoic for example!

what is there that we havent yet unearthed!?! theres so much potential for some really wacky guys! its so awesome to think about.

[viscid surge]

The fellas back then would have been as normal/goofy as the ones rn probably 👍 we have plenty of goofy things that we gloss over

[plain stirrup]

were there any alaskan/canadian/anarctic pterosaurs?

[magic jacinth]

Cryodrakon is one I can think of that has been found in canada

[light osprey]

Theres plenty of indet. material, but yeah I can’t recall another genus of Northern pterosaur

[white matrix]

or cenozoic 🥴

[honest wave]

Yes. Pterosaurs were globally distributed throughout most of the mesozoic

[tough parcel]

I genuinely suspect some of these sizes are horribly off

[loud vine]

No no, shhhh

[lavish frigate]

Gigantoraptor should be as tall as Tyrannosaurus, same with Giga (although Giga is a tiny bit taller, just not as big as that image) and spinosaurus size looks freakin wacky

[tough parcel]

Miiight be ok? Using the largest sizes of both

[lavish frigate]

Also that rugops is CURSED

[tough parcel]

Isn't that bad

[lavish frigate]

Why he on that ceratosaurus look though

[native kindle]

i thought cryo and dilo weren't too far off in size

[lavish frigate]

Charts just wack

[sullen cairn]

thirty foot long killing machine

[native kindle]

real and true ..

[lavish frigate]

My favorite 250ft long spinosaurus meal

[tough parcel]

Chart Cryo got the JP Dilo syndrome 😭

[lavish frigate]

Falcon uses 6ft human confirmed!

[tough parcel]

Yea, she's the only one

[stiff osprey]

Falcon on his way to make the dinosaurs he dislikes look smaller by comparing them to an unusually tall lady

[lavish frigate]

A Not Short Woman. A rare sight in a falcon chart

[sullen cairn]

y'know that is a tiny gigantoraptor

[native kindle]

i was abt to mention that too yea

[tough parcel]

My scheme has been had, you'll never take me alive

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-under-arrest-agent-john-hartley-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-seven-bucks-gif-23973774

[sullen cairn]

rugops upsize

[lavish frigate]

Shouldn’t it be Tyrannosaurus height? Freaking evil giant turkey

[tough parcel]

The silly

[clever sable]

Is that the mighty krytop

Awwwwww, it's the stupid ugly rugop

[loud vine]

Cryo bigger

Ermmmm

[white matrix]

I'm like starting to get confused whether falcon is a he or she because people call falcon a he sometimes and then people call falcon a she 😭

[loud vine]

A fish that can change gender at will

[jagged trellis]

hello yes i am from the cenozoic....i think

joke aside what da question, also hmm

mhm, what about the steppe

uhuh, the general of it or a certain part, general was a domino effect if i recall from abit of climate, abit of ded and abit of primates with funny tools, p sure the last ironically played the least....atleast last i checked

[white matrix]

Mammoth steppe? basically they looked at sediments from what I believe is central yukon during the late wisconsinan (?) period and that illustrated how the enviorment was a dry steppe-tundra vegetation and deep active layers.

[tough parcel]

Most likely climate change ngl

[white matrix]

Well they looked at insect communities and some plant genus's which started to decrease in abundance.

[tough parcel]

They said why lol, not how did they tell

[white matrix]

Oh mb. but it still correlates

the basic collapse involved a shift from a dry steppe-tundra to a shrub tundra environment due to changing climate conditions (as falcon said), and some other factors like altered snow cover and soil characteristics, leading to a rapid ecological transformation. very sorry.

??

ok

[lavish frigate]

This just goes to show how absolutely horrific Gigantoraptor was

[white matrix]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379122005091

how so.

[tough parcel]

Is this the silly goose guy again?

[white matrix]

when'

[tough parcel]

I've never seen Witton make a blog on this subject

[white matrix]

same.

[tough parcel]

Huh?

[white matrix]

^

[tough parcel]

Oh lmao, you're a Patreon

[white matrix]

silly goose guy fr fr

[tough parcel]

Silly goose

[white matrix]

how many accounts you got lil bro

[tough parcel]

HAHA IT IS

<@&538079608914968587> We got the harasser again

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-he-said-it-he-said-gif-5286270

[tough parcel]

The Silly Goose test never fails and it's so funny to me

[white matrix]

falcon you should've just pinged one mod lol

[tough parcel]

I...yea that's fair, but I'm not that intuitive

[white matrix]

i agree with it being funny though

[jagged trellis]

oh it was them, what a plot twist guys

[white matrix]

I can't get over how beautiful Pleistocene SA was.

[tacit pine]

How much did elasmo weigh?

[stiff osprey]

2-4 tonnes

[tacit pine]

hmm ok

[steady rock]

y'all, i need someone to compare a size for me because table died

[compact leaf]

the fact that we could have had this in addition to our modern south american fauna is heartbreaking

[tough parcel]

If I must

[tough parcel]

That Giga skeletal specifically?

[steady rock]

i thought that was mapu

[tough parcel]

😭

[sudden wind]

Learn to distinguish Carchs!

[steady rock]

there like ceratopsians but atleast they have frills

[tough parcel]

The difference could save your life!

[steady rock]

i thought iguanadon was bigger

[tough parcel]

Tbf, it looks big compared to a person and then you compared it to a multi-ton apex predator

[steady rock]

um, its also multi ton

[tough parcel]

Erm, but it's not an apex predator

[steady rock]

km said iguanadon could take any predator besides like, trex 😦

[tough parcel]

Bro said 6t Lurdu so dunno if he's the best iguanodontid info place

[steady rock]

oh

i thought he said 8 tons

[tough parcel]

That's even worse 😭

[steady rock]

actually i looked, it was 9 tons

[white matrix]

that reminds me whats everyone favourite paleo artists? mines are Ville, Julio and Sharpe

[tough parcel]

Absolutely no way he said it was 9 tons

Send a screenshot, there is no way he thought that genuinely

[ancient crystal]

Who is km?

[white matrix]

@keen forum

[steady rock]

i'll see if i can find it

[tough parcel]

He must defend his honor in the ring

[white matrix]

hey he's got two letters just like me

[steady rock]

i cant find it

[heady thunder]

Fred

[bright veldt]

Every tentative mass of lurdu has it way lower, 2.5-4.5 tons depending on the source/relative-scaled-from

[white matrix]

he's a good one too

[steady rock]

i was close

[tough parcel]

Bro is NOT 5-6 tons lmao, there is no way unless he is obese

[ancient crystal]

Whoever did that piece with the rex attacking the edmonto, but the rex has no teeth.

[white matrix]

witton, the rex does have teeth, I think its speculative lips? (so you cant see the teeth)

[last iron]

Maybe they’re all obese how do you know

[elfin pulsar]

Omg I love that cuz it gums the Edmonto does anyone have it

[tough parcel]

I assume this one?

[elfin pulsar]

YES

[ancient crystal]

I mean, if you look inside the mouth there don't appear to be any teeth. Unless the speculation is that the gums fully cover the teeth, but that doesn't make much sense to me

[tough parcel]

Yea, it's based off varanids

Which is fair because everything else for theropods is based off varanids and co. Orally, I mean

[ancient crystal]

I just don't see how that makes sense whilst attacking a prey item. Idk, I'm not super knowledgable on varanids.

And I want to say I'm not insulting his work, its really good art

[sullen cairn]

are we talking about lurdu size again
cause this would be like the second time in the past month

[tough parcel]

Varanid teeth are hidden in gums and are only revealed when pressure is applied (they cut the gums to be deployed)

It's not like HTTYD Toothless where they can choose to deploy them

[ancient crystal]

Ohhhh ok, that makes sense then. I didn't want to make the toothless comparison because I knew it was dumb but I couldn't think of how else the teeth could work

[bright veldt]

Source: trust me bro

[sullen cairn]

creatura

sure lurdu isn't even well-enough described to justify having a skeletal in the first place but uhhhh it looks kinda nice to i don't care

[tough parcel]

Slight edit: They have tooth sheathes of some kind in the gums, but those sheathes can also be cut (not 100% of the time, just rarely)

[white matrix]

km apprently used this model, thats how they got 5t

[tough parcel]

But random even said that's not what they got lmao

[white matrix]

oh well L

[light osprey]

The real and true 15 tonne behemoth

[sullen cairn]

he meant it weights 7t

[white matrix]

random is a member of jfd? guh

[tough parcel]

Yea, he's their consultant

[sullen cairn]

random is actually mr jagged

[west coral]

Lurdu is the spinosaurus of ornithischians

[white matrix]

hey table can you scale the lost palaeoloxdon femur with iggy

[light osprey]

Somebody blew up the Lurdusaurus holotype?

[sullen cairn]

with one of the 1850s 1.4m iggy femur things or a normal iggy

[white matrix]

normal iggy

[west coral]

possibly

[vocal breach]

What if

[sullen cairn]

normal being the normal random skeletal size or 9mish

[tough parcel]

Yea, me in about 2 years, 5 months, 23 days, 15 hours, 38 minutes, and 2 seconds

[white matrix]

random skeletal

[light osprey]

So, the creature in question is still a reasonable 4 tonnes (?)

[vocal breach]

What if Spino is lurdu

[bright veldt]

I got 4.5 tons scaling from GSP’s mass estimate of a close relative. Table got 3 tons scaling from Iguanodon

[sullen cairn]

as usual i forgot the thing's centra length

[white matrix]

which?

[sullen cairn]

lurdu

also how big is the lost femur

[tough parcel]

3 meters

[sullen cairn]

interesting

fascinating stuff

[compact leaf]

that is uh

[light osprey]

Real

[white matrix]

femur is actually 1.9m

[white matrix]

not 3 lol

[jagged trellis]

wrong its 7 because i said so

[sullen cairn]

boring

[light osprey]

Regular sized Elephant

[white matrix]

elephant femur's can range from 1.1-1.5m, L

[compact leaf]

you want to know something really cursed about palaeoloxodon

[jagged trellis]

maybe

[viscid surge]

[compact leaf]

the african forest elephant may end up being a species of palaeoloxodon

[white matrix]

graaaaaah 😭

[jagged trellis]

oh yeah heard about that, is it alot more possible now with more research than before? or about the same as last time

[compact leaf]

it is actually getting some very good genetic support, at the very least it looks like it's probably going to get moved out of Loxodonta

[light osprey]

Um that’s just rad wdym

The animal with paleo in its name when it’s still alive

[compact leaf]

the bush elephant, forest elephant, and palaeoloxodon all clade nicely already so the forest elephant either still sits within loxodonta (which is becoming less and less supported), sits in Palaeoloxodon, or it's in a new genus transitionary between the two

[white matrix]

Ok thats cool

Actually i'm going to go read that tusk stuff larramendi calculated

[compact leaf]

it also hints at a very close history between Loxodonta and Palaeoloxodon, because there was gene flow between the two at some point

[white matrix]

yeah

[white matrix]

larramendi messing with proboscideans is somehow funny yet cursed

[bright veldt]

The thing with the forest elephant is that it shares its ancestor with the bush elephant, but along the way evolutionarily they interbred with Palaeoloxodon antiquus so much that they’re now closer to it genetically than the bush elephants

[compact leaf]

that's one possibility yes but it isn't definitive

[pearl briar]

table what have you done

[compact leaf]

either way the debate now is if it's genetically distinct enough to be moved out of Loxodonta, and the answer is a resounding eh?

[pearl briar]

u don't see that

[bright veldt]

I do think it warrants its own genus personally. It being a species of Palaeoloxodon is more of a meme than something I see them actually doing.

[compact leaf]

there is genetic backing for it but a genus sandwiched between the two is more likely imo

the Notiomastodon paper had them clading close enough that you could justify it but they didn't dig any further with it

[bright veldt]

Is there any genus I could dub it as rn? Even if it’s not official? At least with subspecies actually being different species it’s easy (like with the Asian Leopard)

[loud vine]

Razor the Palaeoloxodon

[loud vine]

Iguanadon still wins

[white matrix]

[light osprey]

Me when the Arctic Tyrannosaur gets depicted with feathers

[tough parcel]

@untold arch Subspecies is too close, the closest you can get in dinosaurs is species and Sauro presents enough features (currently known) to establish it is at least not in the same genus as Allosaurus

@errant iron There is no NA-European difference, they kept the same general size proportions across their range, it's just T. gurneyi is known from less (mostly very large) individuals while T. tanneri is known from more (kinda average) individuals

Allosaurus suffers the same problem, but opposite. NA Allosaurus has a billion individuals known while A. europaeus is like 5

[sullen cairn]

europeaus also may or may not be indistinguishable from fragilis

[white matrix]

guh? who these random ppl

[tough parcel]

#art-channel

[narrow needle]

So did most theropods have skin or scales? Cuz I know like trex had scales but the texture was more akin to elephant/rhino skin

[scenic flame]

Scales

None have naked skin preserved afaik

[tough parcel]

There's apparently some that might??? But I don't recall which one and where it was cited so take it like "Ehhh very hard maybe"

[narrow needle]

Did raptors and trikes acutally have quills or is that a pop culture thing

[main acorn]

Maybe, maybe not

[compact leaf]

well raptors had feathers, and quills in big ceratopsians would be limited to small patches if they had any at all

[lavish frigate]

Raptors definitely had quills because quills are a part of feathers. Trike probably didn’t? Unless it’s a midline thing on the tail like taco that wasn’t preserved or something

[narrow needle]

Like the base game trike having quills on the base I mean

[lavish frigate]

Maybe. Although probably not

[narrow needle]

I wish more media depicted raptors as birds with fingers rather than lizards with feathers

[lavish frigate]

Based statement

[narrow needle]

More like this

Less like this

[lavish frigate]

My hot take is that JW pyroraptor isn’t that bad. Face is the only real issue

[narrow needle]

The main issue with modern feathered raptors in pop culture is they’re too defined and boney rather than smooth and beak like

[narrow needle]

For some reason the JW pyro raptor looks like a man in a monkey suit idk how to explain it

[ancient crystal]

I blame the face, it definitely feels like the face of an old rubber monster suit

[narrow needle]

Bet there’s some bozo making an analogue horror/creepy pasta that’s gonna be either A. Godzilla; the man in the suit but instead the classic raptor suit or B. They wanna make another JW movie and for full authenticity create REAL dinosaurs that go rouge or somehting

[tough parcel]

Trike (or any derived ceratopsian) having quills is a paleo-meme

The only support for it is Psittacosaurus, but if you do that, you need to also support fully feathered Tyrannosaurus

[narrow needle]

Thought they recently said Rex had like little to no feathers

[tough parcel]

Exactly

[narrow needle]

Idc this will always be my rex

[tough parcel]

Saddening!

[narrow needle]

Peak rex design

[woeful falcon]

Wrong opinion 🥱 I'm a digital duck rex fan myself, lil bit of feathering, really only visible when the light hits it right. Real nice

[narrow needle]

What about spino knuckle walking

[molten dock]

Howdy howdy howdy

[woeful falcon]

If it wants to break its hands, otherwise outta here with that

[tough parcel]

Illogical

Random’s skeletal fixed the CoG issues that led to quadrupedalism + the one hand bone we have “seen” (included in Ibrahim or Sereno’s skeletal) is way too slim to support any sort of weight

[untold arch]

i like to think it can walk on all fours but definetly not on its knuckles

[tough parcel]

(Quadrupedalism in general is not right, or at least, not entirely plausible)

[molten dock]

As always Jurassic park is wrong. lol

[tough parcel]

I mean…JP3 came out 11 years before Spino first changed drastically

[narrow needle]

Can’t wait for the guy making the gigantoraptor mod, every depiction of it always stands on business. The new JWE2 one can kill tyrants like no one’s business

[tough parcel]

And before JP3 (I cannot verify for the years super close to it, but at least 1990), we still thought Spino was “Allosaurus with a funny back”

[molten dock]

lol

[narrow needle]

I was told it’s in testing rn right?

[narrow needle]

So basically the walked like pangolins

[tough parcel]

Don’t think so

[light osprey]

Guh

How do display quills equivocate to feathers

[narrow needle]

Gigantoraptor being the chad tyrant skull crusher

[sullen cairn]

the beast's ever-liquid form.... a mainstay of the... public conscience... and scientific consensus...

[tough parcel]

Psittaco sits in around the same relation level to Trike as Yuty sits to Rex

[light osprey]

Ohh I see

[errant iron]

Fair, lack of evidence for the European species. But size and gigantism could have been traits that were more prevalent in Europe and N.America

[narrow needle]

Btw are they still making microraptor?

[light osprey]

I mean… if I find a theropod in a cold environment and it’s within Yutyrannus size range. I’d probably give a coat of sorts

That coupled with the fact that the Yixian isn’t even that cold

[tough parcel]

Same level of speculation as "15t rex" (maybe even less so)

Like sure, it's possible, almost anything is. But it's not entirely plausible, especially considering that doesn't happen too much between animal groups in different places with similar habitat

[narrow needle]

If so I hope it can lie on the backs of larger Dino’s and feed off them through like they’re. Ticks you can eat off them

[errant iron]

Look at elephants for example. The African variant is said to be larger than the Asian elephant. The African variant was made larger by a variation of factors. It could have been the same with Torvosaurus and Allosaurus. Could be that, or just large individuals

[tough parcel]

Based on a private specimen I saw

[sullen cairn]

what are you two yapping about anyways

[errant iron]

With Rexes, it’s a bit of a bad example. We know their average weight range. From 9-11 tons. 15 tons was from a big individual

[tough parcel]

Validity of this comic

[untold arch]

bro did NOT skip leg day

[tough parcel]

No, you're missing the point in that 15t is speculative with no evidence to support it even exists, same as "Both populations had consistent gigantism"

[clever sable]

Average is 8, largest we currently have is just over 10 and 15 is speculative and garbage and shouldn't be considered because we don't have a 15 tonne specimen and no way to prove that 15 is the maximum

[tough parcel]

One sec, putting together somethin

[narrow needle]

Ain’t it ironic that the most uniquely shaped Dino’s like trex and trike are American

[light osprey]

That’s just the average of specimens we’ve found. Really there’s no way to corroborate if that truly reflects the actual average size variation

[errant iron]

I know. Average of what we know currently.

[errant iron]

All I’m saying is that it is pretty likely European species were different in size, just because of environmental factors. One of the species would be forced to change, and the other would take advantage

[narrow needle]

What about Utah and Dakota raptor in America and Velociraptor and microraptor in Asia

[light osprey]

Erm

[tough parcel]

Dakotaraptor is dead, I ate his bones and...did other things that match Smaug's speech, but idk

[ancient crystal]

Dakota

[light osprey]

Asia also has gigantic Dromaeosaurs

[narrow needle]

Which ones?

[white matrix]

adasaurus

[errant iron]

Achillobator, to name one. Second or third largest dromeosaurid.

[tough parcel]

Adasaurus is not big lmao

[sullen cairn]

larramendi's 5.5m russian tooth

[serene moat]

I'm pretty sure the 15 ton was not reliable or something like that

[light osprey]

Yuh huh 😠

[errant iron]

That’s what @tough parcel pointed out

[narrow needle]

Then which do yall think is the best dromeosaur

[light osprey]

Me

[errant iron]

Utah. 100%

[white matrix]

imperobator (pronto bait)

[sullen cairn]

i'm pretty sure the european allosaur material doesn't really exceed the size average NA fragilis material
which could be sampling but also would make sense considering lourinha also had carchs and abelisaurids running around in addition to cerato and torvo

[tough parcel]

I'm doing something!!!

[light osprey]

Islands = smaller duh

[sullen cairn]

true...

[errant iron]

That’s why I said “size differences”. A. europaeus wasn’t bigger

[untold arch]

utah, dakota, or austro

[west coral]

dakotaraptor

[errant iron]

We can agree one Utah, at least

[white matrix]

I got to say, probably arctodus

[woeful falcon]

Dakotaraptor easily the best raptor bar none

[cloud dagger]

Buitreraptor

[lavish frigate]

**turtle

[sullen cairn]

thats why im just wondering what you two were arguing about in the first place

[narrow needle]

I love when ppl argue about raptors like power scalers

[lavish frigate]

**oviraptorosaur

[untold arch]

yup, i love utah cause of its huge size fir a dromeasaur, they are all unique thats why i love them all

[sullen cairn]

yurgovuchia is cool even if i don't care about it at all besides the name

[white matrix]

girl boss stuff 💅

[lavish frigate]

**Tyrannosaur

[narrow needle]

Gigantoraptor solos, I know it’s not a dromeo but still

[white matrix]

table is hartmans auca good

[errant iron]

@tough parcel thinks the size difference of T. gurneyi and T. tanneri was because of large individuals, and I’m claiming that it was bc of environmental factors

[light osprey]

**Dromaeosaur

[woeful falcon]

Megaraptor

[sullen cairn]

Use random’s edit

[loud vine]

Balaur

[narrow needle]

A gigantos kick is trex skull level

[molten dock]

What’s everyone’s favorite dinosaurs? Mine is between saltosairus and shunosaurus.

[white matrix]

where do i find that

[west coral]

**chimaera

[errant iron]

Same with A.europaeus and A.fragilis

[loud vine]

Possibly

[lavish frigate]

Balaur is a bird

[tough parcel]

Huh? I thought I said there was no size difference and that the perceived difference was collection bias (I apologize if I was not clear)

[white matrix]

** Gomphothere

[loud vine]

*velociraptorine

[errant iron]

Oh! Probably read it incorrectly

[untold arch]

spino

[narrow needle]

Gigantoraptor solos your favorite dino

[molten dock]

Basic

[tough parcel]

Haha nah you're good, I tend to be bad and cryptic at wording

[loud vine]

Acidic

[lavish frigate]

Nah it’s a basal bird according to the most reliable stuff I believe.

[molten dock]

What does that mean?

[errant iron]

But wouldn’t what I said follow the same line of ur words?

[loud vine]

It's a dromaeosaur

[bright veldt]

Balaur is a basal bird.

[narrow needle]

Is it true that troodon is super intelligent or ..

[tough parcel]

No because "the size difference of T. gurneyi and T. tanneri was because of large individuals" sounds like I'm only considering the largest individuals

[errant iron]

I mean, large individuals could sway the difference of sub-species in size

[loud vine]

Cuz i said so

[bright veldt]

I know it being a dromaeosaur is not entirely ruled out, but we're not having this conversation.

[lavish frigate]

Listen to the YouTubing carnotaurus in the room!

[untold arch]

nuh uh, spino became my favorite when i saw jp3, then i grew to love it more through its changes and love the idea of there being a sort of mystery behind it giving me creative liberties

[errant iron]

There could be smaller specimens undiscovered

[loud vine]

Mald

[molten dock]

I got a question for y’all. What actually is a subspecies? And do they have an effect in the evolution of the dinosaur?

[bright veldt]

There's nothing to suggest troodon was exceptionally smart.

[tough parcel]

PoT classifications have been a disaster for sci-comm

Sub-species do not exist in dinosaur paleontology as they require DNA to confirm

[narrow needle]

Woulda been more popular than trex if it wasn’t for ww2

[errant iron]

Just haven’t found them yet

[loud vine]

That won't stop me cuz i can't read

[light osprey]

Bird

[tough parcel]

Yea, I know, I didn't exclude that

[loud vine]

Dromaeosaur

[lavish frigate]

[bright veldt]

The only extinct subspecies that exist are ones that're recent enough to see such minor physical/genetic differences (Example: Cave Hyena are a spotted hyena subspecies)

[narrow needle]

So there’s no such thing as the “eastern or western trex as an example?

[sullen cairn]

Is there a lore reason I’m still lost here

[tough parcel]

[white matrix]

svp abstract putting imperobator as dromaeosaur is never not funny

[loud vine]

😰

[molten dock]

I got a question for y’all. What actually is a subspecies? And do they have an effect in the evolution of the dinosaur?

[tough parcel]

You'll get a different species (A. fragilis/jimmadseni), but never a sub-species

[errant iron]

Yeah. It’s what I’m saying. Large individuals could have been discovered. So the European sub-species would be known as larger bc of the specimens

[light osprey]

Me when Dromaeosaur Balaur and Imperobator lack Dromaeosaur synapomorphy

[loud vine]

Me when all the bird traits of balaur come from different families

[untold arch]

also yuty

[lavish frigate]

#paleontology message

[narrow needle]

What’s the difference between a different subspecies to different species but same family

[untold arch]

yeah

[molten dock]

Dude. This IS paleo chat bro. lol

[narrow needle]

Like sloths and anteaters?

[woeful falcon]

That's a link to an answer

[tough parcel]

Subspecies = really close to the point it doesn't warrant a species, but not so distant that it is split (It is only discernable through DNA)

[narrow needle]

So trex is literally the only one and only lived in the Midwest?

[bright veldt]

Subspecies are essentially the next step down from species. A population within a species that has significant genetic distinction from other populations. They readily interbreed with other members of their species. Often times what differentiates subspecies is pretty much just genetics, with maybe some visual indicators. It doesn't exist in paleontology outside of the ice age cause, yknow, genetics don't preserve past a point.

[white matrix]

common ice age w

[errant iron]

Most likely yes

[bright veldt]

Although even then there's some closely related species that're essentially identical and are only differentiated by genetics (Clouded Leopard and Sunda Clouded Leopard, African Leopard and Asian Leopard)

[loud vine]

Subwayspecies

[molten dock]

Oh. So basically the entire human species as a whole was made through various subspecies that evolved into a different species. Correct?

[tough parcel]

T. rex ranged from Canada to lower US

[white matrix]

Asiatic lions are still subspecies right? not different enough to be their own genuses?

[errant iron]

Yes

[light osprey]

I don’t think Homo sapien has any subspecies

[narrow needle]

Ah they were everywhere then huh

[white matrix]

what island dwarfism does to a mf

[errant iron]

No. The entire class of hominids.

[narrow needle]

I thought it was mainly around the Midwest

[bright veldt]

Cat taxonomy has been rewritten a fair bit in recent years. Lions have two subspecies, Northern Lions and Southern Lions. These two subspecies diverged when the african rift valley formed. The lions of Asia are in the northern subspecies.

[tough parcel]

There can be if you're an incredibly racist scientist

[light osprey]

True…

[loud vine]

Homo sapiens sapiens

[bright veldt]

Yeah there's a reason races are called races and not subspecies. Humans have a much lower genetic diversity than you'd expect for how varied we are.

[molten dock]

No but the Orrorin Tugenensis did

[loud vine]

No

[white matrix]

Homo sapiens be pathetic mfers during the indian subcontinent late pleistocene extinctions (chonk knows)

[compact leaf]

we had a colossal bottleneck somewhere along the way, you can still see it in our genome

[narrow needle]

So what’s so special about achillo

[white matrix]

whats chiluba

oh.

[molten dock]

The process of evolution requires the original species to change over time. So after a certain time wouldn’t the original species have changed enough to be considered a sub species but not be declared a different species?

[tough parcel]

@errant iron Comparison between each respective ecosystem's animals

[light osprey]

Possibly chimeric. That’s about it

[loud vine]

Broken jaw

[bright veldt]

Yeah Torvosaurus was the apex predator regardless. There wasn't a major difference.

[loud vine]

Saurophaganax

[bright veldt]

Saurophagonax only showed up after torvo became extinct from climate change.

[tough parcel]

Or before, it's debated (now)

[compact leaf]

not anymore at least, it may have in the past but I don't touch paleoanthropology with a 10 foot pole

[loud vine]

Oh le mystery

[white matrix]

climate change fr ruining everything 😤

[narrow needle]

Find it wack that the only reason they’re called velociraptors in JP is cuz Spielberg thought it sounded a lot better than deinonychus

[light osprey]

Eugenics moment

[molten dock]

If a species can evolve into another species after a set period of time then how is it not changing from its actual species into a different version of itself before it actually changes its species???

[sullen cairn]

not using largest european allo material 😠

[compact leaf]

people who study paleoanthropology confuse and frighten me, it's why I stay far away from it

[bright veldt]

It's a lot more complicated than that actually. Gregory S. Paul's work is one of the main scientific influences on Jurassic Park and he's notorious for lumping dinosaurs together that shouldn't be (Including deinonychus being lumped into velociraptor).

[tough parcel]

I don't know it, Justice never scaled it so L

[loud vine]

Becaus the book

[sullen cairn]

my brother in christ

[loud vine]

Fake

[molten dock]

It’s not a rhetorical question. I honestly want to know.

[narrow needle]

Surprised they haven’t tried remaking the JP franchise to be based off the books directly instead of another JW sequel

[loud vine]

The latter makes more money

[tough parcel]

Wasn't in the channels so

[bright veldt]

Eh I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing happens eventually. JW is slowly getting phased out for more classic JP content as we speak.

[tough parcel]

But ugh, guess I'll redo it

[compact leaf]

it's a complicated question, it depends on where exactly you justify the genetic split of a subspecies

[sullen cairn]

It’s literally in 2.0’s skeletal channel

[loud vine]

Gimme

[molten dock]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confusing-noidea-cat-gif-14787244675382286846

[woeful falcon]

When tf did he make this

I've only ever seen the neck up

[bright veldt]

What defines a species scientifically is a bit of an eh, and can often be left up to interpretation. We have witnessed speciation happen in real time though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NArlXzSFt2Y

[tough parcel]

Anywayus

[loud vine]

Scale it to balaur

[sullen cairn]

Would ya look at that

[west coral]

me trying to get into 2.0

[compact leaf]

same here pug, same here

[loud vine]

Yall ain't even in 3.0

[tough parcel]

Oh he didn't label it, that's why, still not my fault so

[sullen cairn]

You could’ve looked two inches down

[narrow needle]

What dino did birds come from specifically

[light osprey]

Guh, some Paravian in the Jurassic

[bright veldt]

We can never really pin down a direct ancestor for any group cause, yknow, rarity in fossil record. We can only really know when a group first appeared through a process called molecular clocks.

[sullen cairn]

Add lusovenator and the European ceratosaurus and the European abelisaur

[bright veldt]

(Even then what people define as "a bird" is a lot more complicated then you'd think)

[narrow needle]

Are scientists trying to acutally make their own raptor with chickens or is that fake news

[tough parcel]

No because they're not relevant to the prior conversation!!

[sullen cairn]

You’re not relevant to the prior conversation

[loud vine]

Real

[woeful falcon]

I never look in 2.0 so I didn't know about it. Gotta be in a place that matters like koi

[bright veldt]

Nah Horner is the particular paleontologist doing it and he's a terrible person.

[light osprey]

It’s also totally superfluous

[errant iron]

Small size differences. Seems like it would have depended on the environment

[narrow needle]

What about him

[white matrix]

come to paleo media central

[bright veldt]

Lemme grab a summary of all of his atrocities I remember somebody posting in another discord

[tough parcel]

Closing the file and deleting it because my program nearly had a fatal heart attack

[loud vine]

Where time traveling Saurophaganax

[light osprey]

jimmadseni erasure

[tough parcel]

I destroyed him on a molecular level

[loud vine]

Saurophaganax actually lasted 10s of millions of years, thus coexisted with everyone here

[west coral]

epanterias

[compact leaf]

don't say that name

[loud vine]

Epanterias is underrated. I never see it get any media attention!

[light osprey]

Deserves its erasure

[compact leaf]

it's a nomen dubium

[loud vine]

Who else's favorite dinosaur is ulubeghosaurus

[narrow needle]

Don’t look up the 500 toothed Dino

[bright veldt]

Ok I can't find it so ill get just list it them out

[loud vine]

Don't look up the dinosaur that lived in Madagascar 80 million years ago

[tough parcel]

Tee-hee racism It's funny guys because it sounds like a slur (It is named after a country)

[loud vine]

No wdym

What country?

[tough parcel]

Is this a bit?

[narrow needle]

Nah I remember in 5th grade some girl asked if Niger was prounced with the extra g

[bright veldt]

Promoted a nonsensical "T. rex was 100% a scavenger" idea that had absolutely no scientific backing and used it purely to generate controversy. He shoehorned this later in Jurassic Park's lifespan which is why spino killed the t. rex. He openly advocates to smash open fossilized dinosaur eggs with hammers to see if there's embryos inside (when CT scans exist). He dated and then married his 18 year old student as a 70 year old man. The dino-chicken thing is a massive waste of money and arguably animal cruelty. Did I miss anything?

[loud vine]

Please tell the so called "country" you are referring to

[tough parcel]

Oh so true, Niger, the country with a soft(?) G

[loud vine]

OMG HEEE HEEE HAR HAR HE SAID THE FUNNI WORD

[narrow needle]

She asked loud as hell with the hard r

[tough parcel]

Oh it was a bit, I was getting worried

[loud vine]

Caught in 24K

[light osprey]

I think it’s pronounced ‘Nee-jear’ or something

[tough parcel]

Yea, smth like that

[loud vine]

Nie jer

[bright veldt]

I always pronounce it "Nye-Jeer"

[narrow needle]

I said it ironically don’t worry, it was a bit. I love memes that are “don’t look up so and so”

[main acorn]

I thought it was pronounced nigh jer

[tough parcel]

I do it with the j sound ngl, it sounds more high-brow and fancy, upper-class like

[sullen cairn]

which is every paleo chat channel in every server brainrot

[loud vine]

Falcon got bamboozled epic 100 pranked

[loud vine]

Ngl this ones a bit boring

[main acorn]

Paleo chats are brainrot tbh, its constant arguing

[narrow needle]

If the rex used its full weight and crushing power it miiight gimme a bit of trouble

[bright veldt]

@light flame

[light osprey]

Classic PoT paleo-chat

[main acorn]

👻

[narrow needle]

Nah…I’d win

[tough parcel]

You're telling me that and and are brainrot? I disagree, but go off I guess

[loud vine]

Pot rex is oversized

[sullen cairn]

the last harbor....

[main acorn]

Saved that

[compact leaf]

it gets worse every day I swear

[narrow needle]

I love labotomy kaisen

[loud vine]

Its tame

[narrow needle]

Labotomy of titans

[light osprey]

It’s a reflection of suh-siety or something

[main acorn]

Neovenator in PoT when? 🧐

[narrow needle]

Gojo in path of titans when

[bright veldt]

Was originally planned for someone's pledge but metri replaced it.

[main acorn]

Ew

Ugly ahh metri, the dino we dont even have a skull for, TAKES THE MIGHTY NEOVENATORS PLACE?!

[loud vine]

When will the underrated theropod veterupristisaurus be added to POT?

[sullen cairn]

10m neovenator phalange 10m neovenator phalange 10m neovenator phalange

[west coral]

if you say it enough it will come to fruition

[loud vine]

Downsized by larramendi

[light flame]

Friendly reminder to make sure to keep chat respectful and on topic.

[sullen cairn]

nuh uh

[main acorn]

We all hate metri here, we all love neovenator

[loud vine]

Ucmp 137538 fell, this is will too

[sullen cairn]

shoulda been giga instead

[loud vine]

No NO

[light osprey]

Why’s it’s hip height so short

[loud vine]

It's unlanky

[serene moat]

Ceratos is 2m that mf tiny asf

[loud vine]

99 cm femur-

[main acorn]

I feel aggression towards cera

[light osprey]

Drue…

[loud vine]

Cera is the morrison apex predator

[main acorn]

Cera gets stepped on

[white matrix]

went from 10m neovenator to whatever this is

[loud vine]

10m utahraptor

[marsh tapir]

Hey there! If other games are brought up to discuss Path of Titans, then it would not be an issue and as long as the topic of the conversation remains, predominantly, Path of Titans related. Now, if the topic of the conversation is not Paleo related, then it should be taken to a different chat. You can check the pinned messages in each channel to check which subjects are appropriate. Thank you!

[tough parcel]

Anyways back on topic, here is Titanus Styracos or whatever the kids call it these days

[loud vine]

Well that existed once

[main acorn]

Add neovenator or there will be consequences...

[serene moat]

10m long kelenken solos

[loud vine]

Full pic?

[white matrix]

glupshitosaurus post crania got described

[main acorn]

I bet neovenator was on top back in the day

A real soldier in the war type of guy

[white matrix]

yeah neovenator was like a spinning top

[tough parcel]

I would, but I gotta really get that foot detail in before I do

[white matrix]

feet pics real

[main acorn]

Dino feet pics pls

[sullen cairn]

the tarbosaurus

[white matrix]

your momnykus

[loud vine]

Tarbosaurus rex

[main acorn]

Braccus rex

[narrow needle]

Yall know those animations of the Dino’s fighting woth big swords? Someone’s making a game based off those animations

[serene moat]

Rexanosaurus tyranabr

[serene moat]

Bro has me mesmerised

[loud vine]

Shiny

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[serene moat]

Sue is a word I cannot say

[bright veldt]

"Sue the Specimen"

[serene moat]

Sue the .....

[main acorn]

Why is sue fat!
Its dieting time

[loud vine]

Is there a lore reason

[tacit pine]

Wtf

Ig hes much worse than just making a trex is scavenger idea

[steady rock]

did iguanadontids have like
the same hind leg movement thing like
lambeosaurines, like, being able to go from quad to biped?

[fossil ingot]

Thats not the reason Spino killed Bull but okey

[bright veldt]

Why do you think a big bad was suggested aside from rex?

[keen forum]

I'm alive and lurdus model volume was about 5 tons ( for 8 -9m lad ) from what synchro and i talked about it in our last chat some time ago buuuut.... I have some fears that might be on the lighter side for theirs is much skinnier then the fat ball of a lurdu recon made by the original artist

[bright veldt]

Either you give us an actual visible source or we don't care. Like. "Trust me this one guy said this" isn't a source.

[keen forum]

Next time I'll talk to synchro I'll ask if he still has the model and see if he could check the volume again if he does and is okay with it ill post the results here

[woeful falcon]

Just tag synchro here

Unless he left

[little star]

Iguanodon or lurda?

[sullen cairn]

A common lament

[lucid ibex]

Cries in my favourite dinosaur is a Metriacanthosaurid

[scenic flame]

@calm agate appear to us, apparition, we seek your wisdom on this grave matter

[magic monolith]

Do we have any evidence of lurdu being more semi-aquatic or is that more of a meme?

[keen forum]

I'll throw in 9quid. A Pepsi blue and if it ever comes out a clownpiece fumo

[calm agate]

I've not weighed the Lurdu model since the AOG days and I do not remember how big it was then, Franoys produced two versions with two different scales and I forget which one was used

Not only that but that Lurdu is outdated anyway with the revelation that all the material in the original descriptions skeletal does exist, just most of it is undescribed and unfigured.

[calm agate]

meme, the authors rightly compare it more to Megatherium in niche. The thing has zero adaptations for a semi-aquatic lifestyle

Yup as I thought, at 8.15m straight line using the old recon you get about 2.5 tonnes, so sitting in the 2-4 tonne range that most of Elrhaz's megafauna is

There's the volume for those who want to convert it, mass will vary based on what density you use but it'll not exceed 2.6 tonnes

idk where KM got 5 tonnes from, could be from the massive one Fran produced as I recall that thing was well over 9m but I sadly don't remember the exact size. Other than that the only way you're getting anything like Lurdu over 5 tonnes is from a South American footprint indicating an E.annectens sized animal, but you know how footprints are.

[scenic flame]

Ty

Still love the frustrating little squat iggy

[calm agate]

It's still quite squat to be fair, just has less body, more tail, more stout face from what I recall of edits made accounting for the original skeletal, either way until further publication of the remaining material Lurdu is a horrid unreliable taxon.

[scenic flame]

So this is slightly off topic but in regards to PT's up coming lurdu mod, are there any parts of lurdu's anatomy which could be used as inspiration for stat spread or abilities, or iguanodon relatives as a whole that pot iggy doesn't have anything based off

[calm agate]

Long tail so you could go for that being its primary area for offensive abilities. Lurdu's short body and limbs don't make for an effective stabber up front like Iguanodon but its thumb claw is very stout? So it'd be doing a lot more blunt force damage than Iguanodon, bone break might honestly be a good call reflective of those fairly beefy arms and stout yet thick thumb spike.

[scenic flame]

I like that

I could see it in terms of its pot niche being not too unlike a marine iguana, despite the big issues with semiaqua lurdu

I would like to see more creatures with tails like iguanas, small very rough and sharp scales, some people have gotten severe injuries from tail whips going down to nearly the bone

Aside from sauropods since that's a pretty damn common if reasonable meme

[keen forum]

Possibly I know there was talk about a big lurdu if I mixed it up that's pretty much my fault, also yeah I know that it's pretty outdated now with that older one being the better choice now derpy got one all my a few years later. Now question do you want the 9quid now or later XD

[sudden wind]

Ctenosaura my beloved

[snow python]

Do we have any pliosaur 12m or larger?

[light osprey]

Yes

Just the one though, and I’d call it tentative

[tough parcel]

The 50m Anthropocene pliosaur…

[light osprey]

True…

[tough parcel]

I love being proven right

[bright veldt]

Not anything that isn’t poorly scaled up from scrap. The largest pliosaurs are 11 meters.

[white matrix]

Toxodont being semi-aquatic is never not funny to me

Oh this is sad apparently based on its morphology Toxodon wasn't semi-aquatic, it generally haveing adaptations to open enviorment

Plus its preference to C4 type plants

[west coral]

It kind of sucks that NA and SA don’t have any megafauna left, imagine a safari with ground sloths and glyptodonts

[tough parcel]

Bro was eating explosives...hardcore

[white matrix]

real

[white matrix]

climate change and anthropogenic pressure go brrrrr

[white matrix]

That boi looks like a hybrid of an iguana and a monitor

[lavish frigate]

Well depending on your definition of megafauna NA does have megafauna

[white matrix]

They mean stuff like mastodon's, chalicotheres, glyptodonts etc

[lavish frigate]

Ah so extinct megafauna specifically

I was about to say bison before I knew it was only the extinct stuff lol

[full socket]

I'm still amazed at the fact smilo has many sub species

[lavish frigate]

I’m the game or irl?

[white matrix]

in game or irl, irl it has three compared to other taxa which have like 5+ more sometimes

[ancient hill]

Birds are considered endothermic homeotherms and are apart of the clad reptilia. Ornithology in college will outright state that they are referred to as ‘avian reptiles’ @white matrix

Heck britanica states it

[elfin pulsar]

Thanks laurel

[ancient hill]

Source: I’m in school for a bachelors in wildlife ecology.

[ancient hill]

Ye fam

[lavish frigate]

Based living Dinosaurs

[light osprey]

Someone trolling about birds not being reptiles?

[opaque moss]

no, about dinos not being reptiles

[main acorn]

About dinosaurs not being reptiles lol

[light osprey]

[ancient hill]

Not sure if they are trolling but they think dinosaurs aren’t reptiles which I personally thought I’ll just nip it in the bud

Feel free to ask me anything in regards to wildlife ecology I’ll be more than happy to answer 😃

Here are a few living raptors I’ve worked with

[tranquil quartz]

Owls are genuinely some of the coolest dinosaurs both avian and non avian

[main acorn]

Who muted @opaque moss and why?

[ancient hill]

Honestly I chuckled at the lemon thing

[real swan]

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[main acorn]

Wow

[full socket]

Irl

[white matrix]

yeah just three, S.populator (largest), S. fatalis (mediumish), S. gracilis (smallest)

[steady rock]

What was faster, stegosaurus or ankylosaurus?

( battle of the slow pokes)

[full socket]

I still think they're cool , wonder what it would be like living with them if they still existed

[bright veldt]

Honestly about the same, with stego probably a tad faster

[light osprey]

In the sense that neither of them are remotely mobile

[bright veldt]

Sauropods are faster than they are ffs

[regal schooner]

Because theyre size

[elfin pulsar]

Wut

Oh nvm my brain filled that as "they are"

[regal schooner]

Like for example we have 2 people, one of them is 2 meters tall and the other 1,40 meters tall, now the 2 meters tall person will cover more ground when walking than the 1,40 person but the 1,40 person is more agile than the 2 meters tall person

[compact leaf]

stego at least has some legginess to it so I would bet on that being faster, but yeah neither of them were very mobile animals

[elfin pulsar]

They got the mobility of a stop sign

[regal schooner]

Stegosaurids likely had bad agility

[jagged trellis]

yield signs moving ever so slightly faster

[bright veldt]

The longer strides do have to do with it yeah. You’d figure stego would be faster cause of the lack of armor and longer legs but thyreophorans are just..,that thickly built. The fastest a stego could run was, like, 6 mph.

[white matrix]

fatalis and gracilis would do fine? populator might struggle I guess.

[bright veldt]

It really depends on the context. I don’t doubt that any species would do well.

[regal schooner]

Nothing, they would just compete with ursids in north america a lot and be another predator for cervidaes and bovines
( a very effective predator for cervidaes and bovines )

[white matrix]

assuming they mean in the same locality they were found

[full socket]

Wouldn't they struggle though with the current bigs cats we have around tho and lack of bigger prey?? :0

[white matrix]

depends on the species, populator wouldn't struggle much with jaguars since it dominated them.

[bright veldt]

They likely wouldn’t be able to exist in such numbers but they’d still persist. Many of their favorite prey items are still around (Bison in North America, Tapir and Caiman in South America)

[regal schooner]

In north america they would be fine, like elks occasionally get killed by pumas now imagine a smilodon, and yes an elk would be enough for a smilodon to feast on

[elfin pulsar]

Of course an elk would be enough

[white matrix]

Moose are available too

[regal schooner]

Bison too

[bright veldt]

Populator might have issues due to needing to support its sheer size. Even Jaguars are considered a bit overdoing it size-wise compared to their prey.

[white matrix]

yes scanova already mentioned them

[regal schooner]

Smilodon would struggle in south america thats for sure

[bright veldt]

I think Fatalis would be fine in SA. Populator might not do well.

[full socket]

Ah ok

[bright veldt]

Gracilis is the size of a large leopard. It’d be fine.

[regal schooner]

The small species would do fine

[white matrix]

Populator would likely need the local, gomphothere, megathere, glyptodont and probably macraucheniid's.

[regal schooner]

In north america every species would do fine

[regal schooner]

Ursids would be their biggest problems

[bright veldt]

Eh even then it wouldn’t be a major issue. Bears don’t heavily compete with other carnivores.

Might have the occasional conflict at carcasses but that’s hardly a concern in the grand scheme of things.

[white matrix]

iirc Arctotherium at least smaller species (?) started to transition to herbivory due to carnivores entering at the start of GABI.

[bright veldt]

This is also referring to grizzlies specifically. Black Bears would be dominated at best and considered potential prey at worst.

[regal schooner]

Brown bears compete with siberian tigers really often, and tigers even hunt hibrenating females and juveniles

[bright veldt]

We know one of the jaguars in Arizona killed and ate a black bear once, let alone an even larger and relatively more powerful cat.

[regal schooner]

Black bears and smaller brown bear species would get destroyed

[white matrix]

Smilodon forearms are surprisingly strong

[regal schooner]

Btw wouldnt people hunt smilodon for its sabers or just hide?

[full socket]

I still wonder how their bites worked though , wouldn't their teeth get in the way from trying to clamp down and suffocate their prey?

I'd imagine their teeth mostly flaying their preys skin/fur

[compact leaf]

I could see black bears not having that many problems, they could fall prey for sure but they’re a stupidly adaptable species and we’ve seen smaller bears do just fine in habitats with very large cats

[light osprey]

I don’t see there being any sustainable population of them. Considering the reason they went extinct is because their food also went extinct…

[white matrix]

Even though they started to disperse veeeeeeeeeeeery slowly at the time of GABI

[regal schooner]

Btw could smilodon populator climb trees?

[bright veldt]

No. Too large.

[regal schooner]

So then it wouldnt be a big problem for jaguars and pumas

[bright veldt]

Gracilis wouldn’t have an issue. Fatalis would probably be able to climb but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was really bad at it, given its size and lack of a long tail.

[bright veldt]

A single good bite at the neck would tear the important blood vessels in the neck to shreds. It would’ve been a quick but messy death for most prey items.

[regal schooner]

Yall what if torvosaurus was still alive in north america? Would it struggle to catch prey cause every animal there would outrun it, outstamina it and outcompete it?

[stiff osprey]

It would be killed off by farmers because the only viable food source in North America is pigs, sheep and cows

And people

[light osprey]

Free food

[lavish frigate]

Dang this is why I want a movie or series where all prehistoric life just frickin respawns where it was in the past and everything has to form its own niche in an ecosystem with everything that’s ever existed on earth

[regal schooner]

Fair enough, i mean bison, elk and deer would be too fast

[regal schooner]

I want arthropleura to respawn
( would be a W pet )

[stiff osprey]

It could probably catch a bison with a succesful ambush. But bison numbers are too small to sustain a population of 2-5 ton carnivores, and the Torvos would just get shot anyway because most bison are in private game reserves/heavily regulated national parks

[lavish frigate]

Sadly they die in the first five minutes because of oxygen deprivation

[regal schooner]

Yea and bison would also see them from a mile away most of the time

[regal schooner]

Unfortunately arthropods that big cant breathe😞

What if stegosaurus came back to life?
( im just randomly picking animals from the morrisons formation )

[bright veldt]

Ye and no. Pretty sure Arthropleura still persisted at a large size even after the oxygen crash at the start of the Permian

[lavish frigate]

I really want this ngl like JWD but actually about the non bugs

[bright veldt]

Ferns aren’t the dominant plants anymore. So big rip.

[jagged trellis]

arthro so based it ignores the laws of life....like bees, good

[compact leaf]

they might be able to eat other vegetation but they’d do fine in places with ample ferns, they were also probably hindgut fermenters so lower quality food wouldn’t be a problem

[livid atlas]

Why about the non bugs huh? Why do you not like the bugs huh? That movie was really bad but the bugs should still be highlighted. Vertebrates get way to much spotlight as it is, it’s time for the inverts to shine!

[regal schooner]

Stegosaurus wouldnt have any predators thats for sure, so its only problem would be finding good quality food

[lavish frigate]

The bugs would still be a focus in my dream movie/show but not the focus (also hot take. I like JWD)

[regal schooner]

Invertebrates are so underrated, like theyre the first animal to ever walk on land and achieve flight, the first apex predator ever was also an Invertebrate and currently Invertebrates are fighting the largest predator on earth

Arthropods are also the most successful animals rn

[livid atlas]

Well you said prehistoric life, so why not also focus on the archea, bacteria, and the “lesser” eukaryotes.

[regal schooner]

Lets focus on the spriggina

[lavish frigate]

Bacteria don’t come back because they’d just kill everything 💀 same with diseases because I don’t want a “giant disease murders everyone” plot 💀

[regal schooner]

Also invertebrates are the weirdest and most confusing animals on earth ( cephlapods )
( good thing )

[livid atlas]

Erm why not? Archea, bacteria and other single called organisms are the most important organisms on earth. And have been since life begun. So they should get featured too!

[light osprey]

Send em to the Pacific Northwest problem solved

[regal schooner]

Cephlapods are fascinating cause like their brain evolved differently than any other animal and they can also completely change their shape and other things

[light osprey]

There’s also fern-dense forests in South Africa

[livid atlas]

Yes worms also, I love annelids!

[compact leaf]

sauropods would legitimately do great there in the more flat places

[regal schooner]

Theyre also the most successful life form and its been like that since the begging of life

[lavish frigate]

I said why lol. I don’t want a “giant disease murders everything” plot 💀 which is what would 100% happen if diseases and bacteria came back as well

[light osprey]

They might do fine anywhere tbh, those freaks had no problem Iiving in the most barren environments

[regal schooner]

Theyre also so weird and fascinating, like they can litteraly regenarate if you cut them in half and thats insane, i have no idea why people ignore that fact

[livid atlas]

Yes but that would be cool! We would first see how all of us go extinct and then how the world re-evolves! (Also brining back extinct animals would bring back archea and bacteria living in the animals, so either way there’s going to be a bunch of death)

[regal schooner]

That would be a nice speculative evolution series, like all of the current species die and the worlds life begins again but with different animals

[compact leaf]

very true

[lavish frigate]

No they all come back completely devoid of bacteria and viruses and parasites because the plot of “giant disease kills everyone” is boring and overdone

[white matrix]

Do people talk about paleoanthropology, seems like a dead topic

[regal schooner]

If life re-evolves again then it would be amazing

[livid atlas]

No, many animals can’t live without them. For an example most herbivores need archea and bacteria to break down cellulose and make sugar and stuff for their cells so then most herbivores you bring back would die.

[lavish frigate]

Ok, they all come back with the bacteria they need to survive and nothing else because I hate giant disease kills everything plots

[regal schooner]

Disease kills everything plot

[lavish frigate]

I just want cool animals to be back and causin some trouble

[livid atlas]

And you do realize many of the extinct animals you bring back would fall victim to our modern bacteria and archea, thus it would be a “disease kills everything plot” but for the extinct animals instead.

[regal schooner]

What if megaraptor or maip came back to life?
( in south america )

[livid atlas]

I hug them

[regal schooner]

Well maip is like 5 tons it would die but megaraptor?

[lavish frigate]

Yes I do realize that, it would be necessary since for anything to survive there would need to be a die off. The ones that survive gain immunity like today’s animals and the ones that just can’t handle it go extinct :((

[tulip dove]

Maip is around 3 tons iirc

[livid atlas]

So a “disease kills everything plot” then?

[regal schooner]

It got downsized?

[white matrix]

no its been 3t

[lavish frigate]

It doesn’t kill eeeeeverything, just a lot of stuff in the immediate aftermath of the event of everything coming back.

[livid atlas]

So a “disease kills almost everything plot” then?

[regal schooner]

Oh

[livid atlas]

I’m just joking with you btw

[regal schooner]

This plot discussion is killing mw

[lavish frigate]

Maybe time travel silly goofy stuff just gets rid of all the diseases or something

[regal schooner]

What if hatzegopetrix or quetzalcoatlus were still alive?
( hatze in romania and quetzalcoatlus in north america )

[livid atlas]

I ride themb like unicorn

[regal schooner]

Would hatzegopetrix get recked by farmers cause its only food would be sheep, goats, humans and cattle?

[regal schooner]

Same

[livid atlas]

No, it would be domesticated and used as a flying horse

[regal schooner]

That would be amazing😍

[bronze storm]

Baby carriage needa be watched 24/7

Either that or poached to extinction

[compact leaf]

paleoanthropologists are terrifying people, every one of them has their own idea and they’re willing to shed blood over it

it stems from how patchy and weird the human fossil record is, it seems complete but theres a lot of weirdness in it

[regal schooner]

😞

[bronze storm]

People being people what can I say

[lavish frigate]

Hatz might do worse than quetz because Europe is so urbanized but it could survive. Quetz would have a better time probably since it’s got a whole bunch of stuff in NA to hunt and no predators that wanna touch a giant murder giraffe bird tbh

[regal schooner]

Yea hatzegopetrix wouldnt have a lot to live with in romania cause its full of cities, farm lands and nowhere it can go

And farmers would hate them

[bronze storm]

What if they get used to people like pigeons and seagulls are and begin to adapt

[regal schooner]

It would be horrific

[livid atlas]

Imagine a big ass pterasaur stealing your bread

[regal schooner]

Nah it would take you along with the bread💀🙏

[livid atlas]

Yeah, what if like there’s some old lady sitting in the park feeding the hat eggs

[bronze storm]

Hell naw, he can take all the bread i got im booking it the opposite direction

[livid atlas]

Hatzegs*

[regal schooner]

Imagine how terrifying it would be to see one of them at night

[livid atlas]

Yeah a giraffe sized birb looking at you from the window

[regal schooner]

Like that paleoart of them deathstaring you

[regal schooner]

I would deficate

[regal schooner]

Its so goofy

[livid atlas]

I would ride a titanoboa to school tho

[livid atlas]

I wonder if that would work, like riding a snake. Would probably feel really odd

[white matrix]

That'd be one of the slowest mounts possible

[livid atlas]

But the best

[regal schooner]

I would ride a shantungosaurus to school

[regal schooner]

And the weirdest mount

[livid atlas]

You would be getting an A+ on a test just for arriving.

[regal schooner]

It just doned on me that if hadrosaurs were still alive we would mount them and probably use them to carry stuff like replacing donkeys

[regal schooner]

Fr, everyone would also be terrified

[elfin pulsar]

Probably something with farming too

[livid atlas]

• yummy hadrosaur meat

[regal schooner]

Yea and they would probably replace elephants as well
( yes people mount elephants )

[regal schooner]

Tbh it would probably taste good cause herbivorous animals have delicious meat

[elfin pulsar]

I mean yeah elephant riding is common knowledge

Also carnivores also taste good so

[livid atlas]

Yup. I wonder what non-avian dinosaurs tasted like. It would definitely vary between species but I really wanna try it

[regal schooner]

Well carnivorous birds and reptiles dont taste good

Ive eaten crocodilian meat before😞

[elfin pulsar]

Gator, turtle, chickens and ducks are also omnivorous and they taste amazing

[livid atlas]

Yeah, we just eat less carnivores because there’s less of them in ecosystems.

[regal schooner]

Omnivores also taste good

[elfin pulsar]

I can promise you the flavor is not why we don't typically eat predatory birds lmao

[livid atlas]

I hate cucumber

[regal schooner]

Eating predatory birds is illegal in most states/countries

[elfin pulsar]

Also not what I'm saying, but thanks

[regal schooner]

The reason we dont eat them is because its illegal to do so

[livid atlas]

I love pickles tho!

[elfin pulsar]

I will ride my stegosaurus to class (I am several hours late)

[regal schooner]

How would that work😢

[elfin pulsar]

You misunderstood what I was saying completely

[livid atlas]

A plate up your spine isn’t the worst thing in the world.

Might even be cozy

[elfin pulsar]

We do not have domestic omnivorous birds for livestock because they necessarily tasted good we have them because they're sustainable and not particularly difficult to keep, nobody cared about law when we first started lmao

[livid atlas]

And they taste good

[elfin pulsar]

An added bonus for sure

[elfin pulsar]

Plateless stego

[livid atlas]

What have you done to it???

[elfin pulsar]

Actually something really interesting, I wonder if non avian dinos were alive with us what kind of things we would selectively breed for

[livid atlas]

Yummy hadrosaur meat

[elfin pulsar]

I'm sure we would also select for some pets

I feel like none of the ceratopsians would be good pets

[livid atlas]

Dromeosaurs would make great pets (except when they maul you)

[elfin pulsar]

Oh microraptor would be a great pet actually, people already keep sugar gliders

[stiff osprey]

Best extinct pet would be one of the tiny notosuchians

[tranquil quartz]

small temnospondyls would be cool pets I guess

[livid atlas]

This is the only correct answer (although arthropluera also go brr)

[sudden wind]

You're into falconry or conservation ?

[elfin pulsar]

Protoceratops would be cool but it could surely cleave through your hand

[sudden wind]

Most dromies could be pet sized I think. They usually are the size of medium or large dogs.

[elfin pulsar]

I'd be too worried to have anything like that as a pet lol

[livid atlas]

Yes big, huggable parakeets!

[stiff osprey]

I wouldn't keep any theropod larger than a compsognathid, they are not tamed animals and if you annoy them that's a hospital visit

[livid atlas]

Yes but this is a hypothetical scenario in which they’ve been domesticated.

[sudden wind]

By gh0st.

[stiff osprey]

in that case I'd get a Velociraptor because fk it why not

Or a medium-sized baurusuchid

[white matrix]

for mammals I'd want a baby thylacine

[elfin pulsar]

Yeah but babys grow

[livid atlas]

Yes thank you for the reminder

[sudden wind]

Anyway uh, as for a pet : maybe an early Paraves or Microraptorine. Yi qi would also be awesome.

[elfin pulsar]

Is there any really tiny ankylosaurid or stegosaurid

[lavish frigate]

That’s so freaking good

[elfin pulsar]

Or a super small sauropod

[sudden wind]

Alverezsaurs would be nice too.

[livid atlas]

For synapsids I would want a lystrosaurus!

[white matrix]

little gremlin

[sudden wind]

Fujianvenator.

[livid atlas]

Yes fossil evidence also suggests lystrosaurus duplicates if you pour water on them.

[sudden wind]

Microraptor

Anchiornis

[livid atlas]

Beelzebufo would be a great pet

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[lavish frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/toadroll-gif-16590031220234948488

[sudden wind]

Some triassic taxon would be quite cool.

[white matrix]

ye

[livid atlas]

HELP why does it have a perfect jawline????

Anyway I’m eeepy, so goodnight! 🪱 (Have worm for good luck)

[white matrix]

THE LEGS LMAO

[narrow needle]

Ark made them@too big

But I guess there’s a lore reason for that

[snow python]

Which one is accurate?

[lavish frigate]

I mean is there much of a difference between them?

[stiff osprey]

second one is better but still has way too long legs

and is too big overall

[regal schooner]

My beloved amphibian

[steady rock]

couldnt baby stegosaurids run on, like their hind legs or atleast some footprint tracks of stegosaurids moving like that

[compact leaf]

there’s a trackway attributed to something similar to kentrosaurus, it was moving bipedally for at least some distance

[white matrix]

rather beautiful piece, by julio

[bright veldt]

I find it likely that stegosaurs were facultatively biped, like bears. Doesn’t mean they could run that way.

[steady rock]

all stegosaurids or just smaller ones?

if i saw a 8 ton stegosaurid rear up i would cry

[stiff osprey]

all stegosaurs could rear up, but probably not all could walk bipedally

[bright veldt]

Up to interpetation I guess. If diplodocus can rear idk y stego would be off the table

[white matrix]

diplodocus can rear?

[elfin pulsar]

This is soooo nice

[steady rock]

speaking of stegosaurids, why does dace look so weird

( the one in the back )

[bright veldt]

Miragaia changed up a lot of related taxa

[elfin pulsar]

How big is miragaia compared to stego?

[bright veldt]

Similar in length afaik? Only a bit shorter. Likely would’ve been a fair bit lighter though cause a good chunk of the length is neck

[compact leaf]

in theory most if not all sauropods can, it’s coming back down where things get sort of problematic for some of them

[white matrix]

I see

[compact leaf]

it's brachiosaurids that have the most doubt with their rearing ability, they could still do it's just that the ones with lightly built forelegs had to be a bit careful when they came back down

[stiff osprey]

they probably didn't unless there was no other foliage in reach, since they're at the highest risk of falling over and having their ribs pulverized of any sauropod

[white matrix]

fr almost why I barely touch it

[elfin pulsar]

What’s paleoanthropology about?

[stiff osprey]

hominid evolution

[elfin pulsar]

Ohhhhh, yeah those people scare me

I remember a guy joined here and said he spent 14 years of his life researching it and decided that there must be a tall, thin, cave dwelling hominid that ate our ancestors 💀

[chilly knot]

Aot

[alpine island]

Real

[elfin pulsar]

Ooo thanks

I like that demoman is being used as the size comparison

[alpine island]

yeesh miragaia is longer than i thought

[west coral]

Sauropod in disguise

[clever sable]

Any clue how fast dace would have been?

[west coral]

Keep in mind that’s a gigantic specimen of stego

[jagged trellis]

i forget how much of a unit stego really is, its like 5-6+ ton zone on the boi yeah

[surreal stone]

what do you mean by “dace” unshorten pls

[white matrix]

dacentrurus

[clever sable]

Dacen, the stego looking thingy

[surreal stone]

dacenturus?

[white matrix]

trurus*

[steady rock]

scanova said stegos arent that fast

[surreal stone]

if yes i have no clue

[regal schooner]

Wow miragaia is taller and longer than i though

I thought it was a bit bigger than kentrosaurus but that doesent seem to be the case

[west coral]

Kent is tiny

[bright veldt]

Stegosaurs in general are very slow, alongside ankylosaurs.

[steady rock]

what about nodasaurids?

[light osprey]

Also Ankylosaurs

[west coral]

Don’t need to be that fast if you’re covered in armour

[bright veldt]

Thyreophorans in general

[white matrix]

thyreophora rare L

[light osprey]

Makes me wonder if Ankylosaurids and Nodosaurids could often be contemporary, how much did their little tail ornamentation really play a part in predation (seeing as one clade completely lacks it)

[jagged trellis]

i imagine it wasn't the main thing...but having a giant club of bone that can shatter ya enemies knee caps helps

[west coral]

It’s like a blade vs a club, one is good for breaking bones, and one is good for severing tendons and ligaments

[light osprey]

But like

[jagged trellis]

you mean the oh that looks cool factor for interspecies stuff

[light osprey]

Most Nodosaurs don’t really have any prominent tail goodies

[jagged trellis]

maybe they had pretty underbottom colors, or just talked it out, or had something entirely special

[compact leaf]

nodosaurids are probably a bit faster just given how leggy some of them are, they aren’t shaped like a coffee table the way ankylosaurids are

[jagged trellis]

i still like the mental image of nodosaur flirting is them being tables at a outdoor shop and talking

[light osprey]

Big guy is pushing the limits

[delicate pelican]

gentle giant ankylosaurus galloping away from the fearsome predatory trex

[heady thunder]

Chad stego

[scenic flame]

They'd go the way of the giant armadillos, bashed over the head because they're too slow to protect themselves against the skinwalker apes

[tulip gyro]

bruhatkyasaurus is weak fr

[white matrix]

weak abelisaur fr

[rapid tendon]

Nodasaurus being added?

[white matrix]

in-game (vanilla at least)? no but for more info i guess you could check #path-of-titans

[rapid tendon]

K thx

[white matrix]

Hey fun fact, we have a poebrotherium kill site 👐 (albeit veeeeeeery old)

[clever sable]

@light oxide sorry for the ping but did you ever calculate the speed of dacentrurus

[magic jacinth]

anyone know what the first or oldest ancestor is in Ornithothoraces?

[light oxide]

No, I haven't, to my knowledge.

[white matrix]

Just saw a peregrine falcon hunt in real time and wow was it a sight to see.

[light osprey]

The Cenozoic nerd gets to watch a Pleistocene bird hunt lol

[frosty anvil]

watching raptors hunt in real time is always an awesome sight

i remember one time i was hiking and a redtail came in and snatched a big ole snake right in front of me. (i didnt even know the snake was there)
the hawk grabbed it and flew off to a nearby tree. with my bionoculars i watched it decapitate the snake. i think it was either a black rat snake or a big garter, cant really remember. just know that it was a dark snake.

ive seen redtails hunt a bunch of things. rabbits, snakes, even other birds (but there was so many of them that the hawk never scored a kill)

and i can still remember seeing some young bald eagles squabbling over a deer carcass (they may have been aorund 3 years old? didnt have the white head yet)

[noble ridge]

Do you think Utah raptors and other raptors hissed and were as frisky and unpredictable as emus?

[pearl briar]

is antrodemus valid?

and laelaps?

[narrow needle]

Do you think iguanadons signature thumb spike was like a spur that stuck out of the hand or was movable like an actual digit

[shadow schooner]

Who's on

[frosty anvil]

i have little doubt raptors hissed, i say its rlly plausible
idk if those genuses are valid or not sorry
im no expert but i go with the spur idea personally
wrong channel this is paleo chat not #path-of-titans

[tranquil quartz]

Or #looking-for-group

[shadow schooner]

Okay thanks

[woeful falcon]

Laelaps is Dryptosaurus

[narrow needle]

Pretty sure dromeosaurs made bird noises like chirps like a hawk orr eagle

[woeful falcon]

We don't know what they sounded like. But I wouldn't be surprised if they hissed.

Many many many many animals hiss, reptiles and mammals alike

[regal schooner]

Kentro is shorter than the average human

[surreal stone]

tbf many prehistoric creatures are

[regal schooner]

Yall were marginocephalians slow?

[surreal stone]

but kentro is not even close!!!

[regal schooner]

Fr, we just shine light on the huge ones

[surreal stone]

likely not

WAIT, your on my games server, nice lol

[regal schooner]

Well pachycelaphosaurus, stegoceras and every othe pachycelaphosaurid were probably faster than the average human

But i wonder if ceratopsians were slow or fast
( the ones with a huge frill and horns cause the small ones were definitely fast )

[regal schooner]

W morrisons formation game

[pearl briar]

antrodemus?

[surreal stone]

ayyyyyy thanks

[snow python]

Is there any size estimation for Brachiosaurus Nougaredi?

[livid atlas]

What game? Sounds fun

[regal schooner]

Its in development and its a roblox game, i will send you the server link if you want

[livid atlas]

Ok cool!

[frail robin]

Why did Pteranodontids and Nyctosaurid have upturned beaks instead of hooked ones, like modern seabirds?

[surreal stone]

dm me

[livid atlas]

I’ve been invited to the server already!

[surreal stone]

(its not a roblox game)

[frail robin]

A game? What game?

[surreal stone]

dm me

[serene moat]

Gonna end up like saurian I bet ngl

[regal schooner]

Oh its not? I though it was

[regal schooner]

Saurian was so good but its dead😞

[serene moat]

Mid ngl, only play as Dakota I just don't think a single location game is fun for most people bc ppl would wanna play giga and carno and allo and all sorts yk

I wish people would stop making these dinosaur games aswel ngl, we already have alot 3 popular ones is enough they should do sea monsters only game where u play as like the isle/pot but only sea creatures or smth different from the usual dinosaur game

[steady rock]

This is a paleo Chat not complain about dinosaur survival games

[regal schooner]

Formation set games arent bad its just the formation you choose to simulate, mechanics and gameplay you add that make it bad tbh

Formation set games are also a lot more balanced.

[light osprey]

Instead a single depositional formation, why not a coeval faunal group

[regal schooner]

Also having an animal that lived in the carboniferous for example and an animal that lived in the miocene in the same game is a bit odd imo

( anyways lets stop talking abt thist cause this is paleo chat )

[white matrix]

An Elrhaz single player game would go hard asf

[regal schooner]

Yall would ursids be able to survive in the triassic? Or would rauisuchians completely destroy them

[little mauve]

I think food availability would kill them off first, no flowering/fruiting plants or grasses

[rose thorn]

That is a very broad classification lmao. Some would be, and some would be fast

[snow python]

Was deltadromeus a noasaurid or related to carch?

[scenic flame]

Noasaur

[snow python]

What did it fed on, was it an active predator or omivorous?

[bright veldt]

Based on what noasaurs it’s generally related to? Probably herbivorous, with younger animals being omnivorous.

[snow python]

I was curious, besides carch, deltadromeus, bahariasarus and rugops, what other theropods lived alonside spino?

[bright veldt]

Sauroniops exists

[sullen cairn]

kem kem has at least one other abelisaurid taxon besides the material referrable to rugops as well

and the larger material is probably at least one other distinct taxon on the basis of size