paleontology

[white matrix]

probably

Metatherians

[sullen cairn]

abelisauridae (i am not even remotely biased)

[sullen cairn]

https://books.google.com/books?id=D93AEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=majungasaurus+suffocating+bite&source=bl&ots=naRmp8mkkq&sig=ACfU3U2ctK3YtFV0MLb1s4dUfGgrUwG9Bw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiUueaW4pKCAxWCN0QIHSrNCIwQ6AF6BAgYEAI#v=onepage&q=majungasaurus suffocating bite&f=false

[west coral]

what’s the tyrannosaur next to centrosaurus

[white matrix]

@sullen cairn you might want to double check my Einiosaurus scaling

[light osprey]

Eudromaeosauria, cause it’s easy to write about

[white matrix]

@west coral

[west coral]

Basal tyrannosaurs

[sullen cairn]

@white matrix einio seems to be scaled fine to a 0.65-0.7m basal skull length

and total length matches GSP's to a T for bonus points

[west coral]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0293801 new alvarezsaur, delectable material too

[light osprey]

#102958 Nemegt Bed Alvarezsaurid lol

[blazing mural]

Anyone have a really good picture of a paleo accurate mosasaurus?

[white matrix]

Don’t forget PHP Mosa

[north quail]

Would acro atokensis have an open or closed gate run

[light osprey]

Some people don’t like the soft tissue reconstruction

[north quail]

Asking bc I’m making an animation

[white matrix]

From my understanding PHP Mosa has some hiccups, mainly in the teeth department

[light osprey]

That is the absolute least important thing about the model

It’s like a single tooth off of the known variation, big deal

[white matrix]

Aren’t the fins a little too rounded here? I thought tylo was the one with the roundy circular fins

[copper flame]

is epanterias its own thing a 4th allosaurus species or just a big fragilis

[bright veldt]

yes

probably not valid but we dunno exactly what it is

[copper flame]

so its kinda like bahariasaurus

with its engimatic stuff

[light osprey]

They seem fine

[sullen cairn]

baharia is exponentially worse than epanterias in every way conceivable

[copper flame]

what is epanterias even than

large fragilis, 4th species, or its own thing?

[sullen cairn]

its a large terminal morrison allosaurid and the specifics beyond that are kinda unclear

[copper flame]

what does that mean

[sullen cairn]

big allosaurid from the end of the morrison
which is so much better than anything we can say about baharia

although epan does also suffer from also having a garbage type which makes it impossible to refer pretty much any other large late allosaurs to it

[tiny holly]

(Art by Mario Lanzas) Random question, I'm working on a little art for someone that'll feature a baby Anteosaurus, does anyone have any tips/pointers on what a young Anteosaurus may have looked like? Synapsids aren't really my wheelhouse so I'm not as familiar with the differences in their ontogeny.

[chilly obsidian]

Somebody give me Microraptor papers. I need to read more Microraptor information even if I already know about it

[sullen cairn]

there's a good few abstracts from october

[flint stream]

what are we talking about guys ? just random paleo stuff ?

[cloud dagger]

I’m no expert but i’d probably draw it more slim and having a light build (smaller chest giving the impression of a bit longer legs) and no big horns or whatever those are on above of the eyes

[tiny holly]

It does actually seem we have a juvenille specimen, it's just hard to find any decent references for how they looked but basically much slimmer with a narrower head, not the huge bulky fivehead adults had

[flint stream]

hi guys are talking about permian animal ? if it was, fill me in

[west coral]

Have the skull look something along the lines of this

[vivid cloak]

Interesting

[sudden wind]

Thoughts from a Mosasaur expert.
https://twitter.com/TyrantLzrdQueen/status/1530648084786577411

[chilly knot]

[gaunt raven]

But it’s accurate no?

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-possibly-star-wars-gif-9950995

[gaunt raven]

I haven’t seen it in forever and don’t really know what it looks like 💀

[sudden wind]

They are too fat.

[light osprey]

Meh, it’s angle dependent

[gaunt raven]

Hmm ok

[sudden wind]

The Kaikaifilu is pretty terrible as it is Mosasaurine proportionated while being a Tylosaurine.

[tacit pine]

So they dont like php mosa?

[gaunt raven]

They seem pretty slender idk

[light osprey]

Bit of an overstatement, seeing as we have no idea what Kaikaifilu is

[tacit pine]

Fr

[light osprey]

Much less actual post crania

[gaunt raven]

The only time they where kinda fat was a weird angle

[tacit pine]

Yeah the angles can make it look fat sometimes

[sudden wind]

Yeah.

[tacit pine]

Oh

[gaunt raven]

But extant chubby lizards are not aquatic, so obviously they’ll be different than a fully aquatic extinct chubby lizard right?

Not to mention extant chubby lizards aren’t naturally so chubby, usually when they are fat or just ate a massive meal so it’s gonna look kinda strange anyway

[sudden wind]

From different point of view, you can see them being quite chubby when they should not.

[gaunt raven]

I see one chubby mosa in all of those pictures, the 3rd one looks weird though

[tacit pine]

2nd and 3rd look chubby

[light osprey]

There isn’t enough literature to get particular with exactly how to reconstruct Mosasaur adiposal tissue distribution, not to say that the PhP models don’t have teensy little skeletal inaccuracies

I’m love to hear Naish discuss the decisions behind the models

[sudden wind]

Still, we so far have no evidences of very blubbery Mosasaurs. Cetaceans are not the best references because 1- they are mammals and so fat storage differently to reptiles 2- Mosasaurs retained neck mobility unlike whales and most dolphins, so the less fat there the better it is. The torsos are possibly too deep too as the ribs are not swept back enough.

Here is a reconstruction made by Tosha Hollman that may represent well how Mosasaurs would have looked like : https://fxtwitter.com/fishboy86164577/status/1624814237569921026?s=61&t=T-HKQVh7JzIq9svhF92urQ
So, more traditional mosasaurs are probably a better representation of these reptiles, unlike the recent fat whale/lizards we have gotten.

[tacit pine]

Hmmmmm

[light osprey]

Nah the ribs are fine, Hartman’s skeletal adjusted for the rib position

[tacit pine]

I thought php mosa was 15 tons

[white matrix]

Quadrate specimen moment

[sudden wind]

The tail is likely too long though. But yeah the ribs are better than most recons.

[light osprey]

And a front view

[tacit pine]

W

[compact leaf]

I mean if we're talking about php models that are too fat mosa is small fry

[light osprey]

Prognathodon did look pretty big, but we have negative good skeletals of it

[woeful falcon]

Ig lizard queen's comments are just worthless then

[light osprey]

Real and true

It’s just nuanced (imagine my surprise) and she’s right about skull inaccuracies, dentary has some curvature, and the postorbitofronal is funky

Well actually…

[white matrix]

Who’s lizard queen.

[light osprey]

It looks ok from here

She’s a palaeontologist studying Mosasaurs*

[woeful falcon]

Imma be real I'll take the person who's life is dedicated to learning and understanding these animals's word for it

[woeful falcon]

HOLY CRAP that diver really needs to be careful

[compact leaf]

chonk is right though, it's more nuanced than "php mosa is bad because one expert doesn't like it", it gets some stuff right and other things wrong that doesn't make it overall bad

[white matrix]

side note, I know its not relevant whatsoever but if someone could identify the paper these trckways come from it'll help me a lot.

[compact leaf]

do you happen to know what the trackways are attributed to? that would help a lot

I have been down a rabbit hole all week on elephant taxonomy and it's terrifying, 0/10 would not recommend

[white matrix]

something of "e Miocene Site of Salinasde A˜nana"

[sudden wind]

https://fxtwitter.com/fishboy86164577/status/1683741639481733120?s=61&t=CdSkoh5uEqSQN2zcDiEViw

[woeful falcon]

I'm trying to find where anyone wrote it off as bad outside of critiquing some of its attributes

Unless it was in their twitter thread which I can't read beyond the first post bc x is great

[light osprey]

The Longrich Prognathodon lol

[white matrix]

yeah that was a traumatizing experience I've been through it, felt like my brain was going to explode.

[sudden wind]

Yeah but this skeletal is good to use.

[light osprey]

Yeah yeah I’m just making fun of our least favorite Moroccan Mosasaur fella

[compact leaf]

L. cyclotis maybe being Palaeoloxodon cyclotis is something I don't know how to feel about

or we can go with the even more cursed option and make it its own genus that's transitional between Loxodonta and Palaeoloxodon because that's a very real possibility at this point

[white matrix]

Welcome to the world of proboscidea!

(you won't survive because people can't get their minds straight)

[sudden wind]

Also another Prgnathodon.

We have very good fossils of these beasts.

[light osprey]

It won’t load 😭

[compact leaf]

as time goes on proboscidea has just gotten more and more cursed, but at least the asian elephant and mammoth are still closest to each other we can all agree on that

[white matrix]

fr fr literal sauropods of mammalia but I have a slight feeling their slightly worse to work with

At least from a taxonomical perspective

[compact leaf]

at least with them we can use genetics, I would say sauropods are worse in the broader sense but the finer classifications proboscidea is worse for sure

[undone parcel]

would Prognathodon better fit the term T.rex of the seas then Mosa or tylo, cause i always saw Prog as having the more bulky head

[light osprey]

Maastrichtian marine ecosystems aren’t comparable to that extent

[tacit pine]

Whats the best weight estimate for tylo rn

[chilly knot]

Yes

You've got anything from like 5-12t+ depending on specimen

[tacit pine]

Alr

[lavish frigate]

Why’s everyone always compare anything to Tyrannosaurus why don’t people see slicing bleeding teeth and call stuff the giganotosaurus of the sea

[stiff osprey]

because 90% of theropods have slicing bleeding teeth lol

[tacit pine]

Sea?

[lavish frigate]

Building off of the prog Tyrannosaurus of the sea comment

[white matrix]

https://fxtwitter.com/DoubleBeam/status/1725127290143563834?t=-xaj35Nzon6Yz1yFFKSvqg&s=19

[frosty anvil]

How big was pachy actually

Because i always imagine it being shorter than a human but i know thats probably wrong

[frosty anvil]

Soo about the size of a horse? Kinda hard to tell from the angles here

[light osprey]

Yea not very helpful but a cool image lol

[elfin pulsar]

Why is this so funny

[frosty anvil]

Oh so IT IS shorter than a man

But still bigger than i usually think

[elfin pulsar]

Yeah PoT pachy is big upsized

[lavish frigate]

Stuff like this just should have been the documentary

[frosty anvil]

See thats where i got thrown off bc i can remember deinonychus size compared to a man but then seeing how big pot pachy is compared to deino "wait what"
Just pot being pot

[light osprey]

I’ve got images of people photoshopped next to PhP dinos

[lavish frigate]

Ik ive probably stolen most of them

[light osprey]

This one’s a personal favourite

[white matrix]

Do you make them yourself?

[light osprey]

No of course not

I will find the Twitter account again tho

https://x.com/boring_shot/status/1664060484318896129?s=20

[west coral]

two fellas

scalebar is 1m

[light oxide]

I got a question for you all -- are these lengths still accurate, or nah?

(NOTE: I know at least the Pycnonemosaurus one isn't accurate, and I'm not quite sure on how long Eurhinosaurus or Kaiwhekea is, nor the height of Thalassodromeus.)

Here are the IRL lengths of the playables, btw:

[MOVED DOWN]

Appreciate the help!

[bright veldt]

Suchomimus and Deinocheirus are both around 12 meters, Spinosaurus was around 14, Kentro is around 6, megalania is around 6, lambeo is 8-9, barsboldia is 11 meters, stegosaurus is 8 meters, eurhinosaurus is around 7 meters long, kaiwhekea is around 8 meters, and thalassodromeus is 2 meters tall counting the crest

[light oxide]

Mkay. Anything about Pycno's? I've heard from others that 8.9m isn't exactly right.

[bright veldt]

Pycnonemosaurus's size used is correct, albeit 10 meters is often used for a speculative adult size

[light oxide]

Mkay.

[bright veldt]

Kaiwhekea is 7 meters actually, my bad

[light oxide]

[MOVED DOWN]

These look better? There anything else I may need to update?

[bright veldt]

Keep in mind that idc much for decimals with some exceptions, because it's a species at thus a proper size to the decimal point I don't see the point

[light oxide]

Mkay

Approximate IRL lengths:

• Deinonychus: 3.5m
• Latenivenatrix: 3m
• Camptosaurus: 6m
• Struthiomimus: 4.3m
• Concavenator: 6m
• Suchomimus: 11m
• Deinocheirus: 11m
• Metriacanthosaurus: 8m
• Tyrannosaurus: 11.5m
• Spinosaurus: 11m
• Eotriceratops: 7m
• Albertaceratops: 6m
• Styracosaurus: 5m
• Kentrosaurus: 6m
• Megalania: 6m
• Ceratosaurus: 7m
• Allosaurus: 8m
• Daspletosaurus: 10m
• Lambeosaurus: 9m
• Barsboldia: 11m
• Amargasaurus: 13m
• Pachycephalosaurus: 4.5m
• Pycnonemosaurus: 9m
• Sarcosuchus: 9m
• Stegosaurus: 7m
• Anodontosaurus: 5m
• Iguanodon: 9m
• Alioramus: 7m
• Eurhinosaurus: 7m
• Thalassodromeus: 2m tall
• Kaiwhekea: 7m

Better?

[woeful falcon]

You don't need to keep reposting it my man.

That's what the edit button is for

[light oxide]

Sorry. Will keep that in mind. 🙇

[meager sedge]

@light oxide Please avoid spamming this chat. You may edit your message instead so as not to clog up any discussion! Thankyou

[woeful falcon]

If you want, I would write "here are the approximate irl lengths of the playables". Saying approximate gives you a little wiggle room

That way you don't have to worry too much about being accurate to the decimal point or varying sizes between individual members of a species

[light osprey]

Personally I’d go 4.5 metres for Pachycephalosaurus

[compact leaf]

I use the word approximate way too much in my writing for that exact reason

[light oxide]

I'll go ahead and delete the previous lists real quick.

Adjusted Pachy's to 4.5m and added the "Approximate IRL lengths:" part above.

#paleontology message

Anything else that needs tweaking?

[severe field]

Are you following max specimen sizes or just the average on the species?

If it's for max, biggest Allo fragilis is around 9'5m iirc

[light oxide]

Average if possible.

[severe field]

Oh okay

[sullen cairn]

If we’re going with averages laten/stenony are too big and iggy should be something closer to 9m
8m seems a tad excessive for an adult alioramus as well

…

And you know I’m going to complain about 10m pycno anyways

[light oxide]

Hmm . . . 3m for Laten, 7m for Alio?

[tough parcel]

20m for Laten, 3m for Alio

[light osprey]

Something something URC

[fossil ingot]

How long is this Pycno?

[sullen cairn]

8.9m

[fossil ingot]

Most the sizes there look like Max
For Example
Biggest Spino is Indeed like 14.smth meters long
Scotty is like 12.3 meters long
Biggest Stego is 8 meters long
So all this look like Max Length estimates
Specially with the Dasp one

[light oxide]

Strange, I was just told that the speculative adult size was 10m for Pycnonemosaurus, since apparently the 8.9m isn't an adult.

[light oxide]

Hmm . . .

Give me a moment--

[sullen cairn]

The problem being it’s speculative adult size
10m pycno here is minimum 20%+ mass increase for an animal that easily could’ve been nearly fully grown

[light oxide]

Hmm . . . 9m or 9.5m better?

[fossil ingot]

9.3

This is kinda a hypothetical Adult
Forgot its length tho

[light osprey]

9metres if you must increase

[sullen cairn]

If you’re rounding by integer I’d just do 9m to be conservative

[fossil ingot]

Probably better yes

Tbh it would be interesting if "Leviathan" was real
It would be kinda cool

[light oxide]

Mkay.

I just adjusted the measurements here. Let me know if there are further adjustments needed:

#paleontology message

[sullen cairn]

You are very based for this

[sullen cairn]

You are also based

[fossil ingot]

I would decrease Sucho a bit
This may be a bit outdated but lengths should be similar
So I would would put it down just a bit
Seeing how Spino is 11 meters is scary when Sucho is 12

[light osprey]

It’s actually very cool to see those 4 theropods standing together

[light oxide]

Adjusted.

[fossil ingot]

Yeah thats better

[storm heron]

Im curious whether you can make Pycnonemosaurus holotype bigger than 8.9m, since we do not have a whole lot of bones of it.

[sullen cairn]

its 9.2m scaling with solely axial measurements

[storm heron]

Ah

[light osprey]

Has anyone tried putting Hartman’s Sue skeletal into a neutral posture?

[storm heron]

It cant be too different from Random's Sue

[light osprey]

Or maybe it can

(Dew it Table 😈)

[sullen cairn]

@light osprey

yes i copied the cartilage from random's

[storm heron]

What a lanky looking fella

[woeful falcon]

I wish hartman did his stuff in neutral, or at the very least neutral with a splash of locomotion with the other leg

[storm heron]

He can very creative.

[gaunt raven]

That… was definitely a choice 💀

[storm heron]

When threatened, the cunning Allosaurus handstands to intimidate its attacker . . . .

[lean stream]

The only Suchomimus specimens are juvi to adolescent, meaning they could get bigger than this.

[serene moat]

Isn't pycno and carno nearly the same size?

[woeful falcon]

Nah, pycno is much much larger

[magic monolith]

How much larger tho?
what are the size estimates we havw of pyc

[sullen cairn]

pycno's ~3200kg, carno's ~2150kg

scaling with the gdi

[serene moat]

Is that the weight of the pycno they found bc I wasn't the pycno found a sub or smth and wasn't fully grown? Is that the weight of a fully grown one of the weight of a subadult one

[sullen cairn]

subadult, adult would be larger by an unknown amount
could be 300kg larger could be 1500kg larger we don't really know

[sand silo]

i hate to say this but, TierZoos worst video would be the dinosaur tierlist.

[clever sable]

That's not true, like at all, there was speculation that the suchomimus holotype was just a sub adult but iirc that's been disproven

[light osprey]

Juvie-adolescent is outrageous

[serene moat]

Was the carno found full grown too? Ik they've only found 1 carno ever atleast that's wat I last heard

[light osprey]

Yea of course it’s a mature specimen

[sullen cairn]

my swing at a full (terrestrial) roster size chart

using maxes because it's (usually) less annoying than trying to figure out averages

[eager skiff]

Can u send the allosaurus skeletal

Ik its dans but it looks alot larger

[eager skiff]

Cheers

[serene moat]

Is that a carno or pycno that's next to cerato? Cuz there's no way that's a pyc, cerato ain't that big

[sullen cairn]

its pycno
the cera's like 30cm longer than denti cause its a kinda leniant scaling of byuvp 12893

[storm heron]

Bunyip 12893

[serene moat]

That cerato looks abit oversized tho that looks more like carno compared to cera than pycno to cera

[sullen cairn]

pycno isn't very tall compared to carno

[scenic flame]

Right but based on what though

[serene moat]

I'm looking at that diagram compared to the pyc

[sullen cairn]

and if I really wanted to I could pull out that possible 8m kenton cera

[west coral]

Whos Alio is that?

[sullen cairn]

random's altai upsized to fit remotus length and skullswapped

[light osprey]

Table is a god among men, these neutrals are delectable

[steady rock]

acro and tarbo both weighed 5 tons, but which was faster?

[gaunt raven]

Probably pretty even, but if I had to guess I’d say Tarbo since it’s a tyrannosaur and they had long legs

[sullen cairn]

this is pycno and regular denti for reference

[light osprey]

No URC?

[sullen cairn]

this is a 30cm larger scaling of 12893

[west coral]

damn, big boy

[sullen cairn]

then there's the even sillier kenton vert and our beloved 8.7m tooth which is very reliable

[steady rock]

how much did albertosaurus weigh?

[serene moat]

That 8.7m long cera is based on a tooth?

[steady rock]

thank you

[light osprey]

Mod cameo

[gaunt raven]

Rare mod sighting

[sullen cairn]

indeed
and the vert's affinities with ceratosaurus are questionable

[serene moat]

Pretty sure acro weighed 6 or 7 ngl

[steady rock]

it did?

[serene moat]

a tooth is very reliable to know a dinos size? Or were u joking lol

[sullen cairn]

nah but a vert's decent

[serene moat]

Ohhh

[sullen cairn]

but yeah all the "appreciably larger than denti" cera's kinda suck

[steady rock]

so is acro 6 - 7 tons or no

[gaunt raven]

Sometimes, but we have a tooth of “troodon” and that’s not reliable enough to even prove jt existed 💀

[sullen cairn]

5-6t

[gaunt raven]

That’s so unfortunate

[steady rock]

knew it

[serene moat]

From 2012?

[steady rock]

2012 is crazy

[sullen cairn]

yup gdi was done in 2012

[serene moat]

I swear recently in 2023 there was smth abt it bigger than that ngl unless I'm trippin

[sullen cairn]

someone made a model of liam's acro that ended up real big (picture isn't that btw)

[light osprey]

I saw an SVP abstract talking about actual Troodon material

Something about sexually dimorphic size.

[sullen cairn]

it might've just been calling stenony troodon

[light osprey]

Fair enough

Real

[sullen cairn]

trying to see how big i can get away with making lambeo

[steady rock]

poor amargasaurus

[west coral]

atleast it’s bigger than eotrike

[steady rock]

WHAT

[storm heron]

Really?

[light osprey]

No, I made it all up

[steady rock]

i need adviceee

[sullen cairn]

maybe?

[steady rock]

table, can you compare allo, alberto and amarga for me?

@light osprey remember that one time you said i have to be confident and assertive with my wants

well you were wrong, now im amargaless

[serene moat]

Is that amarg next to eo?

[gaunt raven]

That was horrible advice smh 🤦‍♂️

[steady rock]

i miss my amarga

[serene moat]

I'm ngl I'm actually confused what this diagram is? Is this pot dinos or like what I this

[gaunt raven]

PoT roster

[scenic flame]

but realism

[sullen cairn]

alberto size isn't exact but whatever

[steady rock]

finally, a amargasaurus w

[serene moat]

Why is eo so small I thought it was only abit smaller than trike tho?

[sullen cairn]

bobblehead
and its still huge for a ceratopsid

[light osprey]

“Ojoceratops” is it bigger than the Eotriceratops holotype

[flat pond]

If only Camarasaurus was in the game, then we could have potentially two different sauropods in different niches maybe.

[steady rock]

is nedoceratops valid

[sullen cairn]

it doesn't help being juxtaposed with pinhead albertaceratops either

[flat pond]

But then again, it’s just my personal basis for Camarasaurus

[flat pond]

Miragaia is that small? I thought it was a bit bigger than depicted in this size chart

[sullen cairn]

patch's skeletal has some problems with its verts iirc

[flat pond]

Ah

[scenic flame]

When Eotrike was first described people reconstructed it with it's head being proportionally the same size to it's body as triceratops, which is where 10 meter eotrike came from, but after people looked at the rest of the material, it was found that eotrike just had a really big head for it's body compared to triceratops

[sullen cairn]

and we get to reap the benefits

[flat pond]

Wasn’t Miragaia like 7 meters or something like that?

[sullen cairn]

its a lil over 6m here

[steady rock]

can you compare miragaia and dace?

[flat pond]

Hm, could have sworn it was a bit bigger but then again, size changes are wack

[light osprey]

Big oof

[sullen cairn]

obligatory stego doesn't like some cryptic undisclosed thing about liam's dacen

[flat pond]

I may have been thinking the 7m range due to this.

[light osprey]

Proverbial Pronto “something looks off”

[sullen cairn]

this is patch's

[flat pond]

Interesting.

[sullen cairn]

although from what i've heard all of the miragaia skeletals have their own weird quirks going on so whoop de doo

[light osprey]

Just scale Connor Ashbridge’s art

[flat pond]

Yeah, they do look like they have their own weird quirks going on.

[sullen cairn]

i mean quirks as in problems

[sullen cairn]

there aren't really any good miragaia skeletals

[flat pond]

In someways I hope PK does their Miragaia like Connor Ashbridge’s

Unless they decided to no longer do Miragaia

To then at least we have Stegosaurus coming to PK

[serene moat]

How big is yuty?

[magic monolith]

1.4tons

[white matrix]

What happened

[light osprey]

He gave the mass of Albertosaurus rare uneventful mod appearance

[white matrix]

Kangaroo?

[light osprey]

Wallaby I think

[bright veldt]

Yeah this is outdated af. I'd update it if I had the drive too.

[bright veldt]

There is a lot of hearsay going on with Patch's skeletal in particular. Mostly because it was assisted with by paleontologists that work on Miragaia and know more with recent material than anybody else. The catch is that nobody knows exactly what that means in terms of specifics.

[white matrix]

you made it for PoT?

[bright veldt]

I made it for people to get context and it got pinned. I updated it a few times but I fell off with PoT at one point and thus it kinda stuck like this.

I could update it but I'd have to reinstall the program I made it in. Got a new PC like 2 days ago.

[sudden wind]

Is the WIP sharable ?

[sullen cairn]

Random posted it on theropoda so I can’t imagine it wouldn’t be

[white matrix]

theropoda or theropoda 2

[sullen cairn]

1.0

[white matrix]

Wait why would the mammals here evolve hypsodonty solely because of increased volcanic activity?

I mean I can understanding evolving hypsodonty due to your diet changing but idk confused here.

[light osprey]

Volcanic particles make the general environment a bit more rough on enamel I think

[white matrix]

Huh never thought of it like that

[fossil ingot]

How accurate are this ducks?

[white matrix]

Good probably one of the most accurate afaik

[elfin pulsar]

Iirc theyre pretty perfect

[fossil ingot]

What about this girl?

[white matrix]

Also good

[lavish frigate]

The hatchling has based designs

[sudden wind]

@sullen cairn can you compare Dan's Gorgo and new Henry's Alberto please?

[white matrix]

faunal exchange go brrrrr

[woeful falcon]

The superior tyrannosaur, and their stubby cousin

[sullen cairn]

albertosaurine extinction hypothesis A

[proper panther]

I made this image and sent it to reddit a long time ago

Oh what have i done???

[fossil ingot]

LMAO

[lavish frigate]

LOL why did that get there

[sullen cairn]

buncha guys in neutral

[proper panther]

Dsungasaurus is coming

[lavish frigate]

I kinda wanna draw it now….might I?

[proper panther]

Yes

[west coral]

absolutely delectable

[bright veldt]

The Hatchling's Deinocheirus is probably the most accurate deinocheirus in media right now.

[gaunt raven]

The hatchling is so well done

I love the sucho and the deinocherius are just perfect

[white matrix]

Is anyone in here who speak Spanish? And would like to play with me? I play often and I can help ya to grow ur Dino if you are interested Dm me

[magic monolith]

#looking-for-group

[light osprey]

Camptosaurus

[white matrix]

Homotherium is weird

has high genetic diversity
almost in every continent besides australia/antarctica
diurnal
plantigrade
cursorial
hyena like posture

blud was trying to be a hyena, bear, and cat at the same time.

[sour vector]

for you guys https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/880987126190186501/1175172854346694706/cc485c341c876b0bf086bdacf718a307.jpg?ex=656a4402&is=6557cf02&hm=ec43d9dd63b29a19e918f615bbbee0ac4bec04aa6f50f511c5b21a265b06dc19&

[white matrix]

weirdass animal

[undone parcel]

also theres that like den with like 37 young elephants attributed to Homotherium

a cave in texas with 400 or so juvenile mammoths and various homotherium skeletons

[white matrix]

oh right forgot about

[undone parcel]

its name as "Same Beast" is awfully fitting cause this thing followed early humans out of africa and basically was on nearly every continent and just barely got into South America

also more evidence of a social lifestyle then Smilodon..as if the fact it hunted and seemingly even specializing in Probiscideans didnt give that away

[white matrix]

im telling you bros a hyena, bear, cat hybrid

[undone parcel]

then Xenosmilus being a literal bearcat

xeno is a shark toothed Bear Cat actually

pure coincidence its from Florida

[gaunt raven]

Fr

It was a canine after all || ehehehehe 😈||

[undone parcel]

its a Machairadont saber cat

[white matrix]

they're making a funny reference to david peters calling it a canid

[undone parcel]

i blocked that from my mind

[gaunt raven]

Yeah I’m just playing

[undone parcel]

thanks for reminding me of that image

[gaunt raven]

Happy to help 🤗

[light osprey]

So real

[orchid yacht]

That thing that scientists managed to make a chicken with a skull similar to real Dinosaurs??? I'm having internal outbreaks...

[gaunt raven]

Ah yes that’s what we like to see

Misinformation 🤩

[gaunt raven]

Oh they’ve done a lot they made a chicken tail and teeth too, guess people haven’t ever seen Jurassic park

[orchid yacht]

"Things out there aren't dinosaurs" ☠️

[white matrix]

are you the chatgpt guy

[orchid yacht]

chatgpt guy????

[jagged trellis]

they aren't, the account is 3 years old @orchid yacht just had a dude coming in showing questionable stuff for no reason and making new accounts to do it, a troll

[orchid yacht]

What a shame..

[jagged trellis]

yeah, it do be like that, but its been lets see.....like 5 days so here is to hoping we get to atleast 7

[tranquil quartz]

He Who Shall Not Be Named

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[undone parcel]

what was the Dire wolf thing again? i just remember its not part of Lupus and I think it is closer to jackals.

[sour vector]

my man ate a bee

[bright veldt]

Aenocyon

[lavish frigate]

I hope giving it a concavenator body is not blasphemy on your creation

Because I did

[sage fulcrum]

Why is it now that seemingly every skeletal for Rex gives it chicken legs?

I’m 100% positive they would’ve been more muscular than say Dan Folkes’ rex

[light osprey]

Because that’s what they look like

[undone parcel]

looking at the skeleton it does seem like after the knee it thins out

[sage fulcrum]

Quite hard to believe they’d be this thin

This is better but damn

Unless they just shifted the thickness to the front, I find it damn near impossible for them to be that thin

[light osprey]

It’s not particularly skinny

[clever sable]

That's pretty thick

[white matrix]

never miss leg day 😤 💪

[sage fulcrum]

They look thin

[clever sable]

Also yeah tyrannosaurus is pretty wide

[light osprey]

Prehistoric Planet lined up just fine with Dan’s skeletal, I don’t see anyone calling it chicken legged

[clever sable]

Not really, that's a pretty normal amount of soft tissue

[undone parcel]

pretty sure it didnt need thick legs past the thigh muscles

[compact leaf]

yeah after the thigh muscles and calves the skeleton is doing most of the work rather than muscles

[light osprey]

They are wider in appearance from the front anyway

[undone parcel]

rex is wide in general

[light osprey]

🥵

[sage fulcrum]

Looks the exact same from front and side

[sage fulcrum]

Shouldn’t the they be like that?

[clever sable]

They are like that, they just aren't showing the dorsal view

[light osprey]

This is a bit of a non-issue, strange thing to be perplexed by

[sage fulcrum]

Or somewhere around here

[clever sable]

No, Dan's rex is fine

[sage fulcrum]

So what, Rex just had pussy calves?

[light osprey]

Already has big calves

[undone parcel]

no its feet were built to support it

[clever sable]

No, it's calves are massive

[sage fulcrum]

I feel like they would have to have been bigger

[clever sable]

Here is a musculature diagram so you can get a better idea of it as skeletals don't really show musculature and soft tissue very well

[sage fulcrum]

Well then okay I can see that, it’s just they’re attached differently than other theropods

They’re just longer ig?

[clever sable]

Not really, theropods are just built like this

[undone parcel]

t.rex is weird for a theropod

[light osprey]

Nuh uh

[undone parcel]

it isnt normal thats for sure

[sage fulcrum]

What would be considered normal?

[undone parcel]

sinraptor

[light osprey]

Well that’s just a more basal theropod 😐

[ancient crystal]

Rex isn't even all that normal among tyrannosaurs

[west coral]

I don’t think there is a “normal” theropod

[undone parcel]

well Holtz called Sin vanilla so

[light osprey]

They are all special and unique (probably)

[ancient crystal]

Vanilla raptor

[undone parcel]

does anyone have opinions on that new Spinosaurus material cause i couldnt tell if i saw a foot or hand in there

[light osprey]

It’s a foot

[sage fulcrum]

Wdym?

[undone parcel]

isnt the arms the one thing we still have missing for spino

[light osprey]

There’s a single phalanx

But ye, no described arm

[undone parcel]

i want spino to be even weirder by having shorter arms compared to other spinosaurs

[ancient crystal]

Isn't spino relatively complete among spinosaurs?

[light osprey]

Yes indeed

[undone parcel]

pretty sure cause again i think the arms are the last real major thing missing

[light osprey]

Most Spinosaurs are known from absolutely piss-poor material

[ancient crystal]

Ah that's good to know.

The amount of times I've heard people talk about spino as if its looks are a complete and total mystery to science had got me confused

[undone parcel]

its cause some people hate that spino is different from JP

[fossil ingot]

How is this thin

[sage fulcrum]

I actually prefer realistic spino

[undone parcel]

i miss Quadrupedal spino

[sage fulcrum]

I was thinking the calves would had to have been larger

[sullen cairn]

nonono please no no no we are not going there

[undone parcel]

i love the chaos of mystery

[light osprey]

Webbed hand Spinosaurus

[sage fulcrum]

But looking at how the musculature works they’re fine ig

[pale kernel]

Hola

[undone parcel]

most likley had webbed feet so not far off

[sullen cairn]

you don't understand what you're doing

[fossil ingot]

That was cursed

[undone parcel]

thats just it. i cause chaos because of my inability to understand myself

[sage fulcrum]

Didn’t Prior Extinction (Roblox game) give spino webbed hands?

It’d make sense

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-jeff-goldblum-life-finds-a-way-gif-8405245

[undone parcel]

i doubt spinosaurs would have webbed hands cause that would get in the way of hunting or use in general

[fossil ingot]

This is better than the quadrupad, Even compared to the biggest Carcha

[jagged trellis]

i mean they prolly had webbbed hands, the better question is how much, i imagine very little for most save gee i wonder wh- spoon

[undone parcel]

hey if im wrong im wrong thats science

[jagged trellis]

one day the most accurate thing ever, the next outdated in a blink of a eye

[undone parcel]

the way of spinosaurus

[fossil ingot]

How tho
Newest papers states Spino wasn't a good swimmer
And its method of hunting is more like those birds I forgot their names

[sage cave]

cranes?

[elfin pulsar]

Herons?

[light osprey]

Cormorants 😈

[sage fulcrum]

Then what the hell was the paddle tail for?

[fossil ingot]

I think that one

[undone parcel]

hippos arent good swimmers so them not being good swimmers is probably not even helpful

[light osprey]

Sexual display structure

[sage cave]

cormorant mention ‼️

[sage fulcrum]

:/

[undone parcel]

ill die with they punted like hippos

[fossil ingot]

We don't know🗿
Same reason we don't know the actual reason for the sail
It can be dimorphism or simply for mating porpuses

[gaunt raven]

Is it the same sicko with the cat thing?

[jagged trellis]

no

[light osprey]

Spinosaurus was just one sexy mfer

[sage fulcrum]

Typically if you have something like a paddle it would be there to help you swim

[gaunt raven]

Ok glod

[light osprey]

With all those neural structures, the ladies couldn’t resist

[elfin pulsar]

No shot that sail is dimorphism

[undone parcel]

especially if its comparative to a newt

[sage fulcrum]

I do see spino fishing like a crane/heron, but I also see it fishing like say a snapping turtle or whatever

[fossil ingot]

Not really
IF Spino could swim it would just be barely faster then a average theropod
It wouldn't be fast enough to actually Swim, Dive, Hunt
Plus Spino been more terrestrial then 2020 speaks alot

[sage cave]

i dont think it would have been able to swim like a fish in the ocean but a more shallowish water hunter maybe, not super fast

[gaunt raven]

Spino is just one glorious beast it’s funny because everyone’s always debating it, just think for like 10 minutes: a dinosaur adapted to eat fish and other water dwelling creatures, poorly adapted to land and by all appearances adapted to swim, lived in coastal and water filled environments, no duh it swam 💀

[light osprey]

“if” because the shoreline wader decided to be the only theropod who couldn’t swim

[fossil ingot]

Its kinda possible a Rex was a Faster Swimmer then Spino

[undone parcel]

it has better swimming skills then sucho

[gaunt raven]

Literally no, that study that claimed it couldn’t swim was very flawed and yes rex could swim very well but spino is literally a perfectly adapted to swimming

[sage cave]

bc sucho is built better for land ezpz

[fossil ingot]

Possibly yeah
Sucho is the most Land Based of their Faimily by far atleast for now

[elfin pulsar]

Why do people think the sail is dimorphism

[light osprey]

Cause idk

[undone parcel]

because its a obvious structure with no other use

[sullen cairn]

cause it'd be funny

[sage cave]

not even for catching more sun when basking?

[fossil ingot]

Spino is not even poorly adapted to land💀
Rn is not even adapted to swim as well as thought
Living close to water to be able to fish doesn't mean it swam

[undone parcel]

ahh yes cause a animal that lived by water couldnt swim

[sullen cairn]

it can swim it just can't dive

[light osprey]

Or can it?? Oooh, very spooky and elusive 👻

[fossil ingot]

Is not💀
The Tail would only make it BARELY faster then a Normal Theropod
Spino would fish in rivers on land
Not swimming
It also wouldn't swim for most of its life
Thats 2020 life style

[elfin pulsar]

Most animals can swim no idea why someone would think spino wouldn’t be able to

[clever sable]

It can swim better than most theropods, although it mainly did wading and bottom walking

[undone parcel]

just cause it fished from the shore doesnt automatically mean it cant swim

[gaunt raven]

It is poorly adapted to land? Unusually short legs, very long (a common indicator of more water/tree dwelling animals) it lived with an apex predator that was more adapted for hunting bigger prey than it was, it has every logical reason to be heavily aquatic instead of heavily land based

[sullen cairn]

at least heron-adjacent shoreline fisher model is fairly consistent with spino's morphology besides the legs

[fossil ingot]

Well yeah
Living close to water doesn't mean you are obligated to swim or hunt by swimming

[light osprey]

It’s a truly momentous occasion when paleo-chat is brought together to dive deep into this cavern of a rabbit hole

[undone parcel]

doesnt mean it didnt swim

[woeful falcon]

Are people really taking the "spinosaurus wasn't aquatic" as "spinosaurus was incapable of swimming"

[fossil ingot]

We don't even know it did Bottom Walking
Thats a theory

[sullen cairn]

nuance? I hardly know em!

[elfin pulsar]

I refuse to believe anyone sane believes spino can’t swim

[clever sable]

Relative to other theropods it was a good swimmer, although it was mostly bottom walking like hippos and wading, although it probably did a good amount of swimming, it just wasn't chasing down prey by swimming

[undone parcel]

it has bopnes like a hippo so its a possibility

[light osprey]

“Tyrannosaurus is a terrestrial hunter, therefore it didn’t swim” see how that doesn’t work

[fossil ingot]

Short yet powerful legs that made it able to walk just fine on land
It couldn't hunt on Land like Carcha
It feed on other stuff anyway
It doean't have every logical reason to be heavy aquatic💀
Wtf is that logic

[fossil ingot]

Yeah
I think thats the name of the bird I meant

[gaunt raven]

Bu heavily aquatic I mean more so than land adapted, not that it was living in the ocean and stuff

[clever sable]

Every single thing that has come out in spino is a theory, plus it obviously wasn't chasing down prey by swimming so what else would it's incredibly dense bones be for?

Currently it's thought it mainly was wading and bottom walking

Also it still was a pretty good swimmer relative to other theropods, not amazing when compared to all animals in general but relative to other theropods it was very good

[light osprey]

Spinosaurus

[fossil ingot]

If it did look like that then I am sorry, but I meant Spino wouldn't swim to hunt
Maybe to travel for some places but it won't be actively swimming

[woeful falcon]

My man there are debates how the thing can even walk at all

[fossil ingot]

Funny Enough for Land he seems more then Fine Adapted
Just not hunt on it
But he can walk and defend itself
Its niche in its ecosystem was didn't and didn't compete with Carcha

[clever sable]

I mean, it probably did a good amount of swimming, bottom walking and wading, it just wasn't swimming after prey, that much is obvious

Spino is a heron hippo lol

[light osprey]

#paleontology message

[sullen cairn]

normalized regressions that aren't even reliable being applied to animal with very clearly derived morphology go brrrrr

[woeful falcon]

I think to make wide sweeping statements about Spinosaurus with any certainty is asking for it.

Spinosaurus is a big question mark

[clever sable]

It almost certainly was not an aquatic pursuit predator or a terrestrial big game hunter but that's all we really know

[fossil ingot]

I have NEVER currently heard of the wading And Bottom Walking
Also Dense Bones?
Baryonyx had denser bones then Sucho and idk if we have evidence Bary Swam at all
We know it ate fist

[woeful falcon]

I think what can be said about spinosaurus at least, is something that can be said for spinosaurids in general. They prolly fancied fish quite a bit

[light osprey]

pterosaur eating specialists

[fossil ingot]

Great point tbh

[gaunt raven]

I would just like to see the evidence that says the trex was a better swimmer than spino and that spino was a perfectly average swimmer

[sullen cairn]

the main takeway is that sigil is valid

[white matrix]

This is why i don't touch spinosaurus ecology discussions because both sides are flawed in one way or another

[gaunt raven]

Yeah bary and sucho had dense bones which suggests a more semi aquatic lifestyle than sucho

[clever sable]

Spinosaurus has the most dense bones of any theropod

Also spino bottom walking was proposed in a paper earlier this year

I don't remember the name exactly but it mentions it at the end

[light osprey]

Oxalaia too right

[sullen cairn]

sure

[fossil ingot]

Again
Bottom Walking and Wading its smth I heard until now
Since I never heard that theory

[light osprey]

Wow, what a time to be alive

[elfin pulsar]

You only just heard about spino wading?

[fossil ingot]

Yeah

[fossil ingot]

Yup

[clever sable]

The wading was proposed in 2020 and 2022, bottom walking and wading was proposed in 2023

Most dense bones has been a thing since like 2021 iirc?

[elfin pulsar]

What did you think it did then…?

[west coral]

Spinosaurus maroccanus aswell

[fossil ingot]

Never heard or it or sm relevant make mention of that paper

[gaunt raven]

Swim worse than trex and sit on the bank like a heron I guess

[fossil ingot]

Spino? Just Swim in the Top Normally
To travel nothing more

[elfin pulsar]

No how do you think it ate if you only now heard of wading

[fossil ingot]

Really?

[clever sable]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9711522/

https://palaeo-electronica.org/content/2021/3219-the-ecology-of-spinosaurus

Here are the 2 wading ones, the bottom walking one is from earlier this year but I don't remember what it was called

[light osprey]

Oh no. It’s getting worse 😭

[gaunt raven]

Where did you get the idea that it can’t dive? I’m just genuinely curious

[elfin pulsar]

No first I gotta know how thought you spino ate

[fossil ingot]

Don't much of english so unless you describe wading exactly
For me it Hunted fish like a Type of Bird I forgot the name again even tho I just saw it

[clever sable]

Spinosaurus could definitely dive and Could likely bottom walk, it just wasn't an aquatic pursuit predator

[white matrix]

montanaspinus

[elfin pulsar]

Heron?

That’s wading

[fossil ingot]

From how Spino is built itself

[sullen cairn]

prolly

[light osprey]

It walks through the water, and snatches fish

[fossil ingot]

Then yeah
Just never knew Wading was that exactly

[gaunt raven]

It’s built to support diving??

[light osprey]

And maybe it submerged for sub-aqueous foraging of sorts idk

[fossil ingot]

Haven't heard that name in a while

[sullen cairn]

the only spinosaurid lump that's kinda unavoidable is maroccanus and brevicollis

[lavish frigate]

Nah I think you meant this

[light osprey]

Nuh uh 😡

[fossil ingot]

Cause of the Dense Bones??
Or what exactly

[sullen cairn]

the rest either have weird caveats or aren't widely accepted in the first place

[fossil ingot]

Thats a Heron?

[gaunt raven]

It has the densest bones of all theropods which would heavily aid in diving so don’t discount that

[gaunt raven]

That is not a heron

[steady rock]

is table here? 🥺

[clever sable]

Tbf reduced limbs are something common in most aquatic creatures, although spinosaurus probably wasn't a pursuit predator so idk

[elfin pulsar]

Yeah it is?

[light osprey]

Finally got good screen captures of Austroposeidon

[white matrix]

Tyrannosaurus 🗿

[fossil ingot]

Its a theory👌
In my mind it cant
Until theres a better reason other then the dense bones I am not buying it

[steady rock]

why is austroposideon called AUSTRO if it didnt live in AUSTROALIA

[elfin pulsar]

Edmonto is the toddler

[clever sable]

Dense bones, reduced limbs

[elfin pulsar]

Because you spelled australia wrong and also Australia isnt real duh

[clever sable]

Dense bones are highly indicative of an aquatic lifestyle, it's bones are the most dense of any theropod by a decent amount

[steady rock]

um no i didnt? i took geometry, i know what im talking about

[gaunt raven]

“Until there’s a better reason” dense bones are highly indicative of diving, it’s kinda just wrong to ignore that evidence just to support your own ideas but go off

[light osprey]

Austro means southern

[elfin pulsar]

Bro just told you one of the single best reasons possible wdym a better reason

[gaunt raven]

I know right

[clever sable]

I remember I once talked to someone who believed the spino couldn't walk on 2 legs study, the spino was bad at swimming study and the spino wasn't quadruple study, he never told me how he thought spino survived or ate

[steady rock]

who was faster, albertosaurus or allosaurus

[light osprey]

Me

[steady rock]

you dont exist becasue neither pronto or sharl are real words

[sudden wind]

God thanks I missed the Spinosaurus talk

Alberto is faster

[fossil ingot]

The last papers at the end even said its in doubt its ability to dive etc :v
But does more to support the wading Style of a Heron

[sullen cairn]

Spino couldn’t walk was a twitter thread not a study

[fossil ingot]

We don't have Limbs yet💀

[steady rock]

a twitter thread is crazy

[clever sable]

We have the legs, legs are limbs

[light osprey]

The peak of academic discourse

[fossil ingot]

Its like saying Bary had an aquatic Life style cause of its denser bones :v
Again thats a Theory
Well all is a theory

[sullen cairn]

Only in the abstract sense

[elfin pulsar]

You know legs are limbs right

[light osprey]

Real

[fossil ingot]

Thought you meant front limbs
Also what with its legs?
They are small but he can still walf thx to those legs been strong
Don't see problem with that

[light osprey]

Legs, they’re more like ideas than actual limbs. I’ve yet to be convinced

[clever sable]

Bary doesn't have reduced limbs and spino has denser bones than bary

Also bary may have had an aquatic lifestyle, probably wading like a heron

[steady rock]

does this image contribute anything to this conversation

[light osprey]

It was just dense for the Funsies

[clever sable]

Yes as it shows that spinos bones are much denser than barys

[gaunt raven]

Ok? But the evidence supports the theory better than others

[steady rock]

why cant spino be both

[elfin pulsar]

Im amazed you keep bringing up bary dense bones when the point is that spino has easily the DENSEST bones

[clever sable]

It's legs work but that doesn't mean they aren't very clearly reduced, reduced limbs can still function, reduced limbs still indicate some type of being aquatic

[steady rock]

i have a question, have you guys gotten anywhere with this debate?

[fossil ingot]

Bary did wading like a Heron
So did Spino
And Heck maybe even Sucho
But doesn't mean its aquatic

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-eyeglass-exellent-question-gif-12818139

[fossil ingot]

When did I deny that?

[elfin pulsar]

I never said you did?

[gaunt raven]

It can but I we are making the point that it also most likely could have dived

[steady rock]

well cant anything dive?

[clever sable]

Oh definitely sucho, without a doubt sucho, sucho is the least aquatic spinosaur

But spinos adaptations indicate an aquatic lifestyle

[fossil ingot]

So now I get get My Limbs Reduced and be an aquatic?
Great logic

[gaunt raven]

If you had all the other aquatic adaptations on top of the short legs yeah? The short legs aren’t the only thing suggesting the aquatic life, it has multiple adaptations so yeah it is “great” logic to think it could have been more aquatic

[steady rock]

i have a question, why would spinosaurus have a tadpole tail if it wasnt used for diving or whatever

[clever sable]

I mean, it takes more than just reduced limbs but reduced limbs very much do indicate an aquatic lifestyle, look a crocodiles, whales, otters, all of those have reduced limbs because they are aquatic

[fossil ingot]

It indicates it swims better then other
The Last Paper even put in doubt its ability to Dive

[light osprey]

I already said it was for attracting da ladies 😠

[clever sable]

That's not a very solid argument, the tail was likely mostly for display

[steady rock]

just dont be ugly, why cant that be a display

[gaunt raven]

Why would it’s tail be the display feature when it had a massive sail?

[woeful falcon]

Birds never got that memo

[fossil ingot]

Crocs haven't even changed other then size in Millions of Years
Whales Changed a Ton
Otters don't really know much of them

[steady rock]

exactly

[light osprey]

Based birds

[clever sable]

That paper is kinda uhhh, weird in that conclusion as basically every other spino paper says it could dive, all papers by iberhim say it could dive, hone and Holtz said it could dive and whatever that new paper is said it could dive

[fossil ingot]

Guy
Its SPINO we are talking about
Nothing is impossible

[steady rock]

what displays do peguins have now that i think of it, rocks?

[gaunt raven]

I guess they could have both functioned as display with the tail also doubling as a swim aide

[woeful falcon]

Counter question, why have a massive sail that will be a deterrent if you want to swim underwater

[fossil ingot]

Size, Color?
Don't know.much about penguins

[clever sable]

Crocs have changed a ton in the past couple million years

Like the aquatic lineage of Crocs hasn't but those came from terrestrial Crocs and when the became aquatic their limbs reduced

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-eyeglass-exellent-question-gif-12818139

[gaunt raven]

Because it doesn’t need to be swimming fast after prey? The sail would make drag yes but it doesn’t make it not able to dive it would just make it harder to go fast, and it probably was bottom waking anywya

[clever sable]

I don't think it swam, I think it bottom walked and waxed

Well obviously it did swim but I think when it was in the water it was mainly bottom walking or wading

[steady rock]

why cant the spino be like a hippo and is just fat and sinks

[light osprey]

Mawsonia is my little speedster don you forget it 😤

[clever sable]

...

That's actually been proposed in the past

[woeful falcon]

A conversation of speculation

[fossil ingot]

Bottom Walking Spino?
Why tho
I see it fine been a gigant..
Heron I think was the name

[gaunt raven]

Just because you see it one way doesn’t mean the evidence doesn’t exist 💀

[steady rock]

im colorblind and i cant see colors, meaning colors dont exist

[clever sable]

Because it's safer to be in the water and it could possibly ambush a fish that swims by it as ambushing a fish doesn't require being a fast swimmer

[fossil ingot]

What Evidence?
The last papers I saw were the Wading of the Heron

[gaunt raven]

The evidence we’ve been sharing with you for a while now

[steady rock]

you guys have gotten nowhere with this debate, why are you guys still having it? its like you guys are talking to a brick wall

[fossil ingot]

Tje links of Papers I saw putting in doubt the dive?
All I saw in them.was Wading

[gaunt raven]

And? We aren’t saying it can’t wade dude
You might be denser than spinos bones ngl

[fossil ingot]

Safer in water
You mean cause of Carcha?
I doubt even a Adult Carcha would try a Spino unless desperate
Both are very similar Size
Doubt a Carcha would risk it

[steady rock]

ypu guys have gotten nowhere

you guys are just talking back and forth with no progress being made, im pretty sure guys went back in progress actually

[woeful falcon]

Won't get anywhere either bc its debated among experts as well

Spino's an enigma

[fossil ingot]

Its possibly

[steady rock]

your the cause

[fossil ingot]

Like sm said Earlier
Spino is a "?"

[sullen cairn]

real

[clever sable]

It's just safer in water in general, even if nothing is coming after you

Also finally found the thing that proposed bottom walking and wading mix

[fossil ingot]

You think I care at all?
Im just laughing and enjoying this
Its a unique case

[steady rock]

srmuis they've been trying to talk to you about other stuff and you've just been repeating what you've been saying for the past 30 minutes

[fossil ingot]

Ty very much

[elfin pulsar]

Eh he’s like that with everything it’s chill

[gaunt raven]

Literally “I saw wading in a certain study”

[alpine island]

It’s a pretty reasonable idea tbh, if Spino’s bones are super dense then there’s an argument that can be made that it would be dense enough to naturally sink and walk along the bottom of a waterway, less risky and more energy efficient than actively swimming 24/7.

That being said, some people have their own narrative they will rigidly stick to and will ignore or not seriously consider arguments to the contrary.

[steady rock]

then why do it and talk to him if you get nowhere with it?

[light osprey]

Telmatosaurus what a cutie

[elfin pulsar]

I have nothing to do today

[gaunt raven]

Same

[steady rock]

do you think it would be tasty if fried

[light osprey]

Idk

[steady rock]

🤬

[light osprey]

😡

[steady rock]

you ate my pet protoceratops

[gaunt raven]

No I did

[steady rock]

could you have protoceratops as a pet if it was still alive?

[light osprey]

Would be a pretty big pet

[elfin pulsar]

I dont see why not, would be pretty hard tho

[steady rock]

well is it like, bigger then a golden lab?

[compact leaf]

I mean it’d depend on temperament but that beak could do some gnarly work, parrots are bad enough now scale that up

[elfin pulsar]

Im more worried about a proto bite than a dog bite ngl

[steady rock]

well i could train it to attack people like people do pitbulls when they see 5 yr olds

[light osprey]

Mongolia fun stuff

[compact leaf]

protoceratops named princess when it sees a helpless toddler

[steady rock]

could i ride a tenotosaurus or mantelliosaurus as a horse or are they too small

[gaunt raven]

You probably could

[compact leaf]

I think the bigger problem with that would be how narrow the spine is, that would not feel good to sit on

[steady rock]

what dinosaur could i ride like a horse

[light osprey]

Do people ride Ostriches?

[sullen cairn]

horseosaurus

[elfin pulsar]

Yes

[gaunt raven]

Parasaur

[light osprey]

Well… there we go

[gaunt raven]

They do and it’s really inhumane it hurts them the majority of the time

[light osprey]

Oh

[steady rock]

not anymore due to animal abuse laws or whatever

which is a good, i didnt mean for that to come off as negative

[light osprey]

Welp, I guess no riding Ornithomimus

[elfin pulsar]

The lower limit to ostrich riding is 150. So basically yeah you shouldn’t ride them unless youre a small person lol

[steady rock]

what about galliminus?

[gaunt raven]

I’d ride an allosaurus

[elfin pulsar]

Galli is big so probably but still shouldn’t be an obese person on it

[gaunt raven]

Am obese person shouldn’t be riding any animal

[lavish frigate]

Do you approve

[light osprey]

Riding Dinosaurs just ain’t it

[gaunt raven]

10/10

[proper panther]

Perfection

[gaunt raven]

Ride an ankylosaurus

[elfin pulsar]

Honestly that could work but it’d be boring

Like a kid onna tortoise

[lavish frigate]

He’s dsungvenator and he craves shellfish and rule breaking on realism servers

[light osprey]

What if they’re mean

[steady rock]

that sounds horrible, save the tortoise omg??

[gaunt raven]

Train them

[elfin pulsar]

Wdym

[light osprey]

I’m good

[gaunt raven]

The giant tortoises not the little ones Y’know the ones that grown adults could sit on and have little effect on them

[elfin pulsar]

The hell are you talking about a tortoise could easily support an adult let alone a child

Learn more about it before saying that

[steady rock]

oh, well obese childern still shouldnt ride them, their already endengared

[sullen cairn]

hear me out

[white matrix]

How’s the proboscideans stuff going

[light osprey]

Between the spike right? Right??

[sullen cairn]

yeah....

[gaunt raven]

Children shouldn’t be 170 pounds regardless

[compact leaf]

I managed to finish the paper and I just refuse to touch gomphotheriidae

[elfin pulsar]

I mean you wouldn’t be raw on an anky saddles exist

[steady rock]

table, i require a size chart

wait pronto told me to be assertive

[gaunt raven]

It’s bad advice

[steady rock]

table i need a size chart or else i will take you apart like a ikea table

[light osprey]

That’s my boy

[sullen cairn]

isn't the whole point that you put ikea products together

[steady rock]

oh.

[gaunt raven]

Not if I take you apart first like an old car being scrapped

[steady rock]

well, its opposite day, yeah

[elfin pulsar]

Please tell me you didn’t think people purchased whole furniture and disassembled it after purchase.

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-well-done-success-that-went-well-nodding-gif-18993035

[steady rock]

im american, guess

[woeful falcon]

In america we do that

[elfin pulsar]

I’m American too… it’s common sense

[sullen cairn]

can confirm, we frequently purchase furniture and immediately decontruct it as a form of catharsis

[woeful falcon]

Wait you don't take your furniture apart?

[gaunt raven]

I’m amazed that you thought that

[compact leaf]

once a year we take apart the whole ikea

[steady rock]

well you see, most of the time i act like a idiot so people actually talk to me, only when im bored

[light osprey]

It’s quite euphoric

[elfin pulsar]

Well, ok fair

[steady rock]

yeah its sad

[woeful falcon]

I like the concept of it being a culturally american thing to take apart your furniture

Anyway, paleo

[elfin pulsar]

I wish we could know what the internal organs of non avian dinosaurs were like

It’d be cool to see how they were adapted and if they had anything unique

[sharp pendant]

Hello

[steady rock]

y'all think amarga can survive them

maybe if your amarga skeletal had its HEAD UP, it would

[gaunt raven]

Eh depends

[steady rock]

tell your amarga to stop being so sad because the devs hate it

[sullen cairn]

i'm lazy not rearticulating a neck

[woeful falcon]

Idk, the masses alberto's have been found in. Amarga might have it rough

[steady rock]

i thought it weighed 2.5 tons

[light osprey]

Amargasaurus herd problem solved

[woeful falcon]

By masses I mean number of individuals

That number being a lot

[gaunt raven]

That’s fair

[steady rock]

what about allosaurus?

[sullen cairn]

take this and be happy

[gaunt raven]

I will not be happy

[light osprey]

He looks proud and mighty

[sullen cairn]

alberto gdi was like 3.2t but that's bound to shrink after rattail and all

[woeful falcon]

Yet another reason why gorgosaurus is the superior tyrannosaur 🥱

[sullen cairn]

biggest allos are approaching 3t (biggest jimmadseni might hit that length but idk)

[tulip dove]

How big was Amarga

[steady rock]

3.56 tons

[light osprey]

To… what. itself?

[tulip dove]

Thought it was approaching close to 5 or 6 tons, hmm

[steady rock]

amargasaurus was in the 3 tons i thought

[woeful falcon]

Can't get me with that, bc even if you synonymized them they are different species still

[sullen cairn]

...for now

[steady rock]

what

[tulip dove]

Might easily be since I can't remember it at all, all I know is how long it was

[bright veldt]

Amarga's like 4 tons or so last I checked

[light osprey]

Individual variation and taphonomy 😈

[sullen cairn]

i am trying to drive blub insane

[woeful falcon]

You failed.

[bright veldt]

I've seen 4.2 tons specifically thrown around a lot.

[sullen cairn]

brick's skeletal is like 13m so... uh idk whatever that scales to

[steady rock]

why cant there be any sauropods in america, why only SOUTH AMERICA

[woeful falcon]

3

[gaunt raven]

And doesn’t exist 🤩

[white matrix]

I used to like gorgo, now it’s a boring albertosaurine

[sullen cairn]

well there's this hidden gem called the morrison formation

[gaunt raven]

Except it does kinda exist it’s just not as unique

[steady rock]

morrison? more like boring..son

[tulip dove]

GRAH

[woeful falcon]

Holy crap, destroyed

[sullen cairn]

...

real

[steady rock]

i'll be here all night

[compact leaf]

I will not suffer any morrison slander in here, best formation

[light osprey]

Sauroposeidon

[tulip dove]

Alamosaurus

[sullen cairn]

astrodon

[steady rock]

alamosaurus migrated to america, that dont count

[compact leaf]

there’s a lot of early cretaceous sauropods in NA too, and one random turonian titanosaur

[woeful falcon]

Wrong 🥱 especially with alberto getting dinkier by the minute

[tulip dove]

It still in America

[white matrix]

Gorgosaurus > Albertosaurus

[light osprey]

False and fake

[steady rock]

if you migrate to a area, does that count as you living in that area, do humpback whales live in tropical waters all because they migrate there?

[woeful falcon]

Finally someone has a right opinion

[white matrix]

The greater sign should be the opposite I made a mistake

[tulip dove]

I mean, Alamosaurus stayed and didn't migrate back

[steady rock]

well thats because it died

[woeful falcon]

Same. I meant the opposite of right, which is left

[tulip dove]

Stayed in America for few million years

[light osprey]

If the Morrison is so good, where are the Titanosaurs 😏 checkmate nerds

[steady rock]

you gotta pick one
morrison formation or hell creek formation

[compact leaf]

L opinion, morrison supremacy

[cinder ibex]

Hey everyone i have a question about community servers i was wondering if any of you have experienced this issue or know how to fix it.

I pay for a community server with 4netplayers, and ive only had it for a couple of months since the newest update i am unable to find my server in game i have contacted support from Alderon and from 4netplayers both are no help at all.

Everything looks fine on like the game ini and i have checked everything else i could possibly think of, is there anyone out there who has experienced this or knows how to get my server back in game?

[tulip dove]

Morrison, ez, lot of sauropods = instantly based

[white matrix]

#path-of-titans #qna wrong chat bud

[light osprey]

I’m so quirky and unique, I’d pick Udurchukan

[steady rock]

name every morrison sauropod, thats valid https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1142403137236381706.webp?size=64&name=trolling&quality=lossless

[tulip dove]

Give me a sec

[cinder ibex]

I literally don't know where to go though

[steady rock]

that aint fair, you using wikipedia

[white matrix]

I sent you channel options

[tulip dove]

No I'm not

[steady rock]

ask the mods

[cinder ibex]

Thank you

[compact leaf]

I could probably do it if I felt like it

[steady rock]

then do it

[compact leaf]

I don’t feel like it

[white matrix]

@tribal sandal

[light osprey]

The difference between the Morrison and a good formation, is that a good formation should be Maastrichtian

[bright veldt]

Might I note in that Alamosaurus might not have migrated in at all and we just have a ghost lineage. There's some traces suggesting that could be a thing.

[steady rock]

thats not the right altitude

[compact leaf]

should I be at a higher or lower altitude I’m so sorry

[white matrix]

Lmao

[steady rock]

try being higher

[light osprey]

Lower, that’s where all the megafauna are

[steady rock]

what counts as megafuana

[tulip dove]

Big

[steady rock]

do polar bears count as megafuana?

[light osprey]

Being heavy

[white matrix]

Yes

[steady rock]

do grizzlys?

[light osprey]

Yes

[bright veldt]

Any animal that averages over 40 kg is megafauna. That is a lot of things.

[steady rock]

then why do some people say last of the land megafuana is in africa?

[white matrix]

Understatement

[gaunt raven]

Because elephant big and they think that’s what’s makes a megafauna

[bright veldt]

Cause it's referring to the term a lot more casually. Yknow, the big stuff. Many several tons animals.

[steady rock]

is that gigafuana?

[light osprey]

No

[steady rock]

does anyone remember 150 tons megalodon

[compact leaf]

I try not to

[sullen cairn]

gigafauana when the macrofauana enters the room

[light osprey]

The official name of the extinction event was the Quaternary Extinction Event, but people colloquially refer to it as the megafaunal extinction, of which only the major multi-tonne animals of Africa persisted

[steady rock]

oh

[sullen cairn]

pronto erases oceans from existance

[light osprey]

For the most part* obviously there’s some exceptions

[west coral]

i mean maybe you can count asia?

[steady rock]

all is has is asian elephants and tigers

[light osprey]

Asia has the second most surviving fauna yeah

[jagged trellis]

and rhinos and some bovids tbf( and that goat....thing, how big do mugger crocodiles and the multiple gharials get?) and a mod

[steady rock]

why does the antartic/north pole have so much megafuana?

[west coral]

indian rhinoceros and javan rhinoceros

[sullen cairn]

can you apply bergmann's rule to the entirety of animalia

[light osprey]

Cause the climate changed less there + less human presence

[white matrix]

what was his rule again?

[light osprey]

Animals at polar latitudes are chunkier than their lower latitude counterparts

[tribal sandal]

This question has been answered elsewhere Please in future avoid tagging moderators directly unless it is an emergency

[white matrix]

Right yeah that’s actually weird for P. spelea I think it was the opposite

[gaunt raven]

🌀alderonlorikeet

[white matrix]

wait I was wrong, african cats from the late Miocene to the Pliocene were generally larger compared to those in eurasia

[steady rock]

wheres eurasia

[sullen cairn]

if you put the earth upsize down all the water will fall down, thus proving bergmann's rule because all the big water animals will be at the bottom (latitudinal extremity)

[white matrix]

Europe and Asia

[steady rock]

then why is it called eurasia

[sullen cairn]

because its europe and asia

[gaunt raven]

My guy…

[west coral]

europe and asia

[steady rock]

like i said, i'll be here all night

[gaunt raven]

EURope ASIA
EURASIA
🤯

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-and-ted-woah-gif-10009072

[steady rock]

im like, a amazing comedian

[light osprey]

One of the comedians to be sure

[gaunt raven]

An*

[steady rock]

why did so many prehestoric mammals have short faces?

[light osprey]

Coincidence

[steady rock]

is it a coincidence they both looked ugly as hell?

[light osprey]

Yep

[tulip dove]

I think not

[gaunt raven]

You have a short face too

[steady rock]

nu uh

[gaunt raven]

Soooooo

[steady rock]

im so glad theres a larger kangaroo now

[sharp pendant]

That’s a thing

[white matrix]

nature allways clicks that "generate random creature" button doesnt it 💀

an absolute building of a creature🗿💀

[elfin pulsar]

I thought that thing wasnt real

[bright veldt]

It's in the same category as Maraapuni where it could be but outside of it existing we don't actually know that much.

[sullen cairn]

It’s a moderately large abelisaur

[clever sable]

Nuh uh

[white matrix]

Its real its not like its that weird reconstruction of the wooly rhino that turned into a unicorn

[clever sable]

The material disappeared, it's likely a Chimera, the measurements cannot be verified as accurate

[bright veldt]

^ the holotype might be an abelisaur and that hurts it a lot

[sullen cairn]

Actually that makes it better but I’m still going to downsize it every other week

[west coral]

there still is the kallemendu giant guys, calm down

[light osprey]

Your generous to them

[white matrix]

Still i belive its real

[bright veldt]

I would be 100% down with Bruh if the fossils just disapeared but it's more complicated than that.

[clever sable]

I love bruh but it shouldn't be considered real or reliable for now

[light osprey]

Kallamedu has its own giant Colossosaurian?

[west coral]

the sauropod or abelisaur?

[clever sable]

Both

[white matrix]

How’s the candeleros monster atm?

[light osprey]

Big (idk)

[white matrix]

Like any general news or still just “big”

[west coral]

big

[white matrix]

Even if the ilia is a theropods its most likely a bruh died next to a theropod or somethin like that

[clever sable]

The name bruhathkayosaurus would be given to the theropod part of it as that was described first

[light osprey]

Titanosaurus leg material

[west coral]

The holotype of bruh is the ilia, so bruh is the abelisaur, kallemedu giant is the sauropod

[sullen cairn]

which would make bruhath the second abelisaur to have incorrectly assigned postcrania after kryptops

[white matrix]

god this thing is nightmare fuel

[tulip dove]

https://tenor.com/view/consumed-by-hatred-kitten-cat-anger-hatred-gif-26096430

[sullen cairn]

or technically first i guess?

[west coral]

technically

[tulip dove]

Everytime I think I've forgotten about that thing, someone posts a picture of it and now I suffer

[white matrix]

The name: huge bodied lizard is most likely goin to be the sauropods name

[west coral]

it can’t, since once a taxon is named you can’t shift the name to something else

[clever sable]

The meaning behind the name doesn't matter, what matters is what material the name was originally assigned to

[tulip dove]

Tyrannosaurus being the only exception

[light osprey]

The Abelisaur is also large-ish, it that helps the confusion

[sullen cairn]

man

[white matrix]

Ofc its always trex aint it💀

[west coral]

Kallemendu giant is gonna get another name

Kallamendutitan doesn’t sound too bad, but it’s a cliche titanosaur name that took me 3 seconds to think of

[white matrix]

Still is likely to be a sauropod

[sullen cairn]

man

[clever sable]

Not really, the material that the name bruhathkayosaurus is assigned to is most likely theropod material

[light osprey]

Indiasaurus

[west coral]

table why

[light osprey]

I am him, it’s true

[white matrix]

I still belive its a sauropod tbh this sounds like the dinos having lipps debate

[clever sable]

How is this anything like the dinos have lips debate?

First off it's a fact at this point that they have lips

Second actual scientific evidence points to it being a theropod

[light osprey]

Your titanosaur is still there buddy, it just ain’t got a name

[white matrix]

Its obvious dinos have lips now it was an example idiot

[gaunt raven]

No one’s mad? Don’t gotta be so instigating

[woeful falcon]

I'm a little mad, but for unrelated reasons

[clever sable]

the sauropod material still exists, the name bruhathkayosaurus just goes to the theropod material while the rest is an unnamed sauropod

Also no, I'm not mad

[white matrix]

Im just sayin i disagree

[sullen cairn]

bruhathkayosaurus when bordering psychotic rahiolisaurus scaling

[gaunt raven]

You can’t disagree with that, it’s a fact that’s how naming works

[clever sable]

It's not a matter of your opinion or what you believe, it's a matter of facts

[storm heron]

The illum is nearly comparable to that of "Titanovenator" in length.