paleontology

[flat pond]

Especially since Eustreptospondylus is going to be somewhat of an island hopper.

[west coral]

That would be lovely

Also ornithocheirus would probably be somewhat of a beachcomber

[flat pond]

It would be faster in the water than most other land based playables to give it a chance to at least survive beach areas

[flat pond]

Yeah that could work too.

[west coral]

Irritator too, maybe?

[flat pond]

Though I would start with A.I. aquatics first so the seas wouldn’t be bare at first.

[west coral]

AI aquatics could be all sorts of fish

[flat pond]

Yeah Irritator is going to be among the fastest swimmers of land base animals.

[light osprey]

Pachyrhizodus

[west coral]

Aquilolamna

[flat pond]

Futabasaurus is a plesiosaur that I’ve always wanted to give a go at.

[light osprey]

Dear oh my not him. Too alien, can’t comprehend (referring to Aquilolamna)

[west coral]

That could be an interesting mid sized plesiosaur

But time to bring out the greatest, most unique, and probably the funnest to play as

The one, the only, aristonectes!

Or any aristonectine for that matter

[light osprey]

Alexandronectes is a bit of a weirdo

[west coral]

Maybe Albertonectes too

[flat pond]

I could do this one

[flat pond]

That’s one I could definitely have as ai

[west coral]

Morturneria is viable

[flat pond]

Now I need a mosasaur.

[west coral]

Maybe for a mosasaur, you could do Globidens and Prognathodon?

[flat pond]

Ooooo both are ones I’ve have wanted to at least have a go with

[light osprey]

Kaikaifilu, albeit hard to depict

[west coral]

Ammonite crusher and big head

[flat pond]

Both have different types of diets correct?

[west coral]

VERY different iirc

Globidens ate shells and other hard stuff, and Prognathodon ate everything else

[flat pond]

Nice, they could fit in nicely with the roster.

[bright veldt]

Globidens is a durophage. Prognathodon is an apex predator, albeit more on bruiser side than mosa and tylo.

[west coral]

better wording but yeah

[light osprey]

You could always do… Mosasaurus

[west coral]

Prognathodon sweep

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/super-sad-cat-sits-in-corner-gif-26527459

[flat pond]

Prognathodon and Globidens are now apart of my roster and a fair warning; don’t think you’re safe from a Prognathodon cause they will have an excellent sense of smell due to their tongue.

Also thought about Cretoxyrhina being ai

[west coral]

You know what would be fun? An orca type playstyle

[light osprey]

Elasmosaurs

Or maybe 🤔 Plotosaurus?

[flat pond]

Maybe an icthyosaur?

[west coral]

if so, cymbospondylus

[flat pond]

So this is the current roster

Akainacephalus(playable)
Altispinax(playable)
Bistaheversor(playable)
Borealosuchus(playable)
Cretoxyrhina(ai)
Einiosaurus(playable)
Eustreptospondylus(playable)
Futabasaurus(playable/ai)
Gargoyleosaurus(playable)
Globidens(playable/ai)
Hypacrosaurus(playable)
Indosuchus(playable)
Irritator(playable)
Jiangjunosaurus(playable)
Lioplurodon(playable/ai)
Mahajangasuchus(playable)
Nothronychus(playable)
Opisthocoelicaudia(playable)
Orkoraptor(playable)
Ornithocheirus(playable)
Ornithomimus(playable)
Pectinodon(playable)
Pentaceratops(playable)
Phosphatodraco(playable)
Pachyrhizodus(ai)
Platytholus(playable)
Prognathodon(playable/ai)
Prosaurolophus(playable)
Sonorasaurus(playable)
Soroavisaurus(playable/ai)
Thescelosaurus(playable)

That is my roster currently.

[west coral]

W roster

[light osprey]

Just noticed Prosaurolophus, W choice

[west coral]

Also, could I suggest a large parasaurolophin hadrosaur?

Angulomastacator, a very interesting fella

[flat pond]

Replace Hypacrosaurus with it?

[west coral]

Possibly?

If your looking for a large unique hadrosaur I suggest you go with this fella

[flat pond]

Ok, I kind of wanted H.sternbergi to be apart of my roster since it’s a lambeosaurine that didn’t get much spotlight but I can try Angulo.

[flat pond]

Also love the artist for these reconstructions

[west coral]

You could have both a lambeosaurin and a parasaurolophin

[compact leaf]

you could do abydosaurus or lusotitan if you wanted a slightly bigger brachiosaurid than sonora, they’re 18 and 21m respectively

[flat pond]

Hm, that I could

[compact leaf]

sonora is still 17m so plenty large

[flat pond]

True, but I wanted to give Sonora a shot since it’s barely in anything that isn’t JWA

[west coral]

And besides, there’d still be a. pretty big size gap between the two, since Angulo is estimated at around 12.37m

If your concerned about that

[flat pond]

Oh that’s good, doesn’t overshadow Hypacro and is a lambeosaurine that is a good size.

[light osprey]

He’s got my favorite Elasmosaurids

[flat pond]

I love his hadrosaurs and stegosaurs

[west coral]

He has every elasmosaurid

Dan is a great artist

[flat pond]

Jiangjunosaurus

[light osprey]

I’d like to see him do Mosasaurs as well

[flat pond]

I wanna see him do tyrannosaurs

[west coral]

Jiangjuno is a great stegosaur

[light osprey]

Guess we’re all anticipating him to tackle our favorite clade

[west coral]

An alright size, very pointy, and a good mid sized herbivore

[light osprey]

The pointiest of fellas

[flat pond]

Also Angulo is now apart of my roster.

[west coral]

If you need a ref on how it looks, put this head onto a parasaurolophus and your about good

[flat pond]

Going with these two designs as inspiration for my sauropod choices

Let’s just hope I can do something like this in the future considering I still have to get done with college stuff to do my dream job of zoology.

[sullen cairn]

Newer angulo

[west coral]

Even more of a droop

[flat pond]

Lucky I created an image gallery for my roster choices so I won’t forget them.

Einiosaurus inspiration.

[west coral]

Botm einio is beautiful

here’s a ref for the fella, if you need

[flat pond]

Plus it’s a centrosaurine that isn’t represented much besides documentaries and of course, BotM

And it can face Bistah properly since it lived with Daspleto

[west coral]

Centrosaurines are criminally hidden under pachyrhinosaurus

[flat pond]

True, very true

And Styracosaurus.

[west coral]

Name me one good documentary with achelousaurus

[flat pond]

Non that I can think of lol

Pentaceratops also gets overshadowed by the more famous chasmosaurines

[west coral]

Yeah, but

there is another

[flat pond]

Chasmosaurus itself?

[west coral]

Yes, but Mercuriceratops

[flat pond]

Oh that true, has a very interesting frill shape

[west coral]

Yeah, but I do agree penta is criminally underrepresented except for JWE

[flat pond]

A lot of my roster is criminally underrepresented.

[west coral]

You know what’s another criminally underrated dinosaur?

[flat pond]

Like name one piece of media that Altispinax appears in besides the Fossil Fighters franchise.

[west coral]

Atlasaurus, a sauropod that could run at around 34 kmph

[light osprey]

Chonksaurus

[flat pond]

Quite fast for a sauropod

[west coral]

Exactly!

[flat pond]

Also very strange look for a sauropod

[sullen cairn]

man

[west coral]

man

[flat pond]

Man

[sullen cairn]

einio facing daspleto was more like einio growing insanely fast

[flat pond]

Hm, true

[west coral]

maybe centrosaurus itself?

[flat pond]

Maybe but I do want Einiosaurus to be represented.

[west coral]

Maybe a smaller tyrannosaur for einiosaurus to deal with?

[flat pond]

But it would most likely get hunted a lot by Bistah.

Nah, I’ll use Centrosaurus. Perhaps another time Einiosaurus, my beloved.

[west coral]

Another thing you should consider; your pachycephalosaur is tiny

[flat pond]

Now Centrosaurus is apart of the roster.

[west coral]

A bit more fair, no?

[flat pond]

Hm, true. I could make it into a burrower.

[west coral]

Oh that’d be interesting

[flat pond]

Yeah that’s a much fairer fight

[sullen cairn]

poor rugops and eustrepto

[light osprey]

Hey, he’s tryin his best 😔

[flat pond]

Rugops got replaced with Indo and Eustreptospondylus will be more of a beachcomber

[west coral]

Table, could you scale bistah and angulom?

[west coral]

Indosuchus or indosaurus?

[sullen cairn]

i posted some bistah skeletals yesterday i could try at a angulo headswap later today

[flat pond]

Indosuchus

[sullen cairn]

hartman gat justice

[flat pond]

Table suggested it

[light osprey]

Hartman 🔝?

[flat pond]

Are these all Bistah?

[west coral]

Another bigfella, nice

[light osprey]

As in, the best

[west coral]

yes

[flat pond]

Ah ok

[sullen cairn]

What having only the skull described does to a mf

[flat pond]

Lol

[west coral]

eustrepto is getting bodied

[light osprey]

He’s a beach dweller right

[flat pond]

Which is why he is sticking to the beach

[west coral]

add another larger beach dweller to bully him more

[flat pond]

To which major storms will wash up some… prizes when they come through.

[light osprey]

Unrelated to topic, any climate stuff for Cerro Fortaleza?

[west coral]

ooh I completely forgot about other sea reptiles besides mosasaurs, ichthyosaurs and plesiosaurs

Sea turtles, snakes and other curious fellas

[plain stirrup]

Did velociraptor live with tarbosaurus?
If so, does that mean protoceratops did too?

[flat pond]

Those could be ai that I could have. Snake gameplay wouldn’t be interesting to do, so I’d have it as ai to at least include it maybe.

[west coral]

No, iirc

[west coral]

Would you have Leed as a giant AI?

[light osprey]

Maybe 🤷‍♂️ , it’s possible Velociraptor hails from the Barun Goyot as well, and it’s been suggested the Nemegt Basin represents a roughly coeval biosphere

[flat pond]

Perhaps. Of course all marine life will be ai with some being playable

Of course all marine life will be implemented as ai before becoming playable

[west coral]

Ammonite and baitball AIs would be incredible

[flat pond]

That way the sea won’t be barren when aquatics become playables

[light osprey]

Bait balls sound like the perfect ocean map filler, I imagine they’re hard to implement though

[flat pond]

Ammonites will be the most spread out ai to encounter. Anything can go after them but they are more challenging than you would expect.

Of course on the shoreline expect these guys to be waddling around.

And zipping around in the sea after fish.

And expect large ammonites like Parapuzosia swimming around

[flat pond]

Oh, start to expect that with the now confirmed Dakosaurus, which will jump out of the water and into the air after pterosaurs.

[white matrix]

So obviously this is scavenging but it kinda looks like the Ammo and Orthos are working together to demolish that Archie

[flat pond]

Lol yeah it does

[frosty anvil]

how big was jakapil again?

[charred gulch]

I tried Google for this was Megalodon size nerfed?

[white matrix]

Yeah, a lot of paleo animals see size nerfs after a while

[nocturne gazelle]

So is that image accurate or would it be smaller?

[light osprey]

O. megalodon receives so many revisions to muh size, best to just know it’s big and move on

[bright veldt]

Megalodon adults range from 14 meters and 35 tons to 20 meters and 100 tons.

[sullen cairn]

titanovenator in neutral because reasons

[west coral]

understandable reasons none the less

[light osprey]

The resolution of the skeletal is really something else 👌

[west coral]

Also, I have this for titanovenator, is it reliable or should I use the other one instead?

[sullen cairn]

That’s for urc 44-r

That one’s fine in the sense that you can kinda do whatever you want scaling an effectively unfigured premaxilla but it does use the outdated abelisaurus skull

Personally I prefer where my scaling’s at rn with the attempted fixed abelisaurids skull (9.9m)

[light osprey]

The silhouette is very pleasing

[sullen cairn]

i will say there is a minor difference in size between the two

although i do question how one manages to get get the thing to 11m scaling with abelisaurus considering we actually know how much larger the skull is then abelisaurus, and scaling that does not get 11m

[pearl briar]

this is the reliable one

[white matrix]

Top 15 theropods:

1. Carcharodontosaurus Saharicus
2. Mapusaurus Rosae
3. Giganotosaurus Carolinii
4. Tyrannosaurus Rex
5. Tyrannotitan Chubutensis
6. Carcharodontosaurus Iguidensis
7. Siats Meekerorum
8. Zuchengtyrannus Magnus
9. Acrocanthosaurus Atokensis
10. Meraxes Gigas
11. Tarbosaurus Bataar
12. Titanovenator Kenyaensis
13. Torvosaurus Gurneyi
14. Spinosaurus Aegypticus
15. Saurophaganax Maximus

[west coral]

What’s the list about

Size?

[white matrix]

Mass height lenght ect

Very accurate

[west coral]

I don’t think that chart is exactly accurate

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah its really not accurate

[white matrix]

Nah its accurate idiot

[tranquil quartz]

Tyrannosaurus should be first followed by Giga

[white matrix]

I belive otherwise trex is overrated btw the list is outdated C. Saharicus is the largest theropod now cope

[west coral]

15 largest

[tranquil quartz]

Wheres Phagonax ? Nerfed?

[white matrix]

Outdated 🚮

[west coral]

Down to 19th

[tranquil quartz]

😔

[west coral]

At least it somehow beats Theri, I’m pretty sure

[white matrix]

Bruhathkayosaurus matleyi laughin in the corner:

[west coral]

bruh has become an abelisaur

at least the ilium

[white matrix]

Its a sauropod idiot

[west coral]

I’m pretty sure it is

[white matrix]

150 ton sauropod

[sullen cairn]

bruhath is a 2300kg abelisaur

i absolutely love how the sheet is so precise with explicitly making it clear the spinosaurine material is not referable to aegypticus itself but just throw suecheng into zhuchengtyrannus without clarifying there's another tyrannosaur taxon from the same quarry

[white matrix]

Bruhath is a sauropod idiot

[sullen cairn]

the ilium hasn't

[white matrix]

Bruhath is clearly a sauropod nearly as big as a blue whale

[sullen cairn]

as it appears to be the case of the ilium found near the tibia, which probably belonged to a large theropod (Pal & Ayyasami 2022).

It is worth mentioning that in the case the ilium actually belonged to a theropod, the sauropods remains of Bruhathkayosaurus hypodigm (at least the tibia and femur) would not longer belong to Bruhathkayosaurus but to unnamed sauropod because the holotype (GSI PAL/SR/20) is actually the ilium (see Yadagiri & Ayyasami 1987).

[white matrix]

Bruhath is still a sauropod cope

[sullen cairn]

the point is that bruhathkayosaurus' type material is the ilium, which is a theropod

the tibia and femur are still sauropod elements

but the name bruhathkayosaurus only refers to the ilium, which is a theropod

[white matrix]

Bruhath is a sauropod clearly cope

[charred gulch]

Oh boy man lol

[charred gulch]

Oh wow thank you!

[sullen cairn]

yeah but it wouldn't be called bruhath

[west coral]

mfw “huge bodied lizard” turns out to be an abelisaur

[sullen cairn]

at least its decently large for an abelisaur

[white matrix]

Still waitin for an abelisaurus glow up tho

No bruhath is a sauropods name

[sullen cairn]

that's why i downsized it

downsized abeli not titano
(also butchered bruhath because funny)

poor bruhath

[white matrix]

Bruhath is a sauropod cope idiot

heres a theropod that doesnt get enough credit kelmayisaurus

[west coral]

Table could you do me a quick favour and scale bruh with brick’s kallamendu giant?

[sullen cairn]

the ilium or?

[west coral]

Theropod ilium yeah

[storm heron]

TableSeating, more like, TableScaling.

[sullen cairn]

kelmayi is kinda very fragmentary

[white matrix]

Very underrated tho

[sullen cairn]

it is pretty large

[sullen cairn]

so scale brick's "bruhath" illium length as a theropod?

[west coral]

No no, scale the theropod to the metre bar of the kallamendu giant

I just want to see the size difference for laughs

[white matrix]

Kelmayi is about larger than an allo ill assume

[sullen cairn]

kelmayi's a bit over 2t iirc

[white matrix]

Atleast its larger than allo jimmadseni

[sullen cairn]

moment

[west coral]

damn

[sullen cairn]

wait a minute

how did we end up talking about two medium-large theropods notorious for getting mixed up with sauropods simultaneously

[west coral]

two?

[sullen cairn]

kelmayi

[white matrix]

Carch Saharicus is the largest theropod now

[west coral]

I never knew kelmayi was mixed up with a sauropod

which sauropod?

[sullen cairn]

there was some 20m "kelmayisaurus giganticus" or something in some book that was a typo of an actual sauropod

[west coral]

damn

[sullen cairn]

klamelisaurus

hm bruhath actually might be one of the most overestimated dinosaurs in terms of sheer difference in weight

[sullen cairn]

cause like

[white matrix]

No trex is the most overestimated people belive it was 2x bigger and bruhath is not overestimated bc its a sauropod

[sullen cairn]

in bruhath's case its dozens of times larger

[west coral]

Biggest it was estimated at was 200m iirc

[white matrix]

Spino is overestimated but not as bad as trex

[sullen cairn]

200 meter sauropod

[tranquil quartz]

I swear I remember seeing some dodgy article about Bruh being like 200 tons 💀

[sullen cairn]

lmaooo bruhath's highest ever estimate is over 100x larger than 9.05m bruhath

[white matrix]

Its a sauropod ya idiots with an estimated mass of 110 to 170 tons

[west coral]

~95 tons

[sullen cairn]

The highest result (240 tonnes) stems from scaling up Patagotitan, the tibia/fibula length of which is estimated from fragmentary material (Carballido et al. 2017; Otero et al. 2020), and the resulting femur/tibia ratio is by far the highest among analysed titanosaurs (Supplementary Information), making this estimation potentially less probable.

[white matrix]

110 to 170 tons idiot

[west coral]

my god

[sullen cairn]

2300kg vs 240000kg

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

Dead chat

[sullen cairn]

that's paleo chat for ya

[white matrix]

Well yeah, we're talking about dead animals

You know what? Let's change things up. Let's discuss Lepidodendron

It's interesting how many things have taken on the tree niche that aren't trees

Isn't Lepidodendron an herb?

[west coral]

If so, I wonder what lepidodentron tea would taste like

[white matrix]

You'd need some really thin shavings to make the tea

[tranquil quartz]

tea

[viscid surge]

Yo dudes, i need some reliable skeletals/recons of maastrichtian fish from the western interior seaway 👍 any fish will do, even little ones

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-swimming-fish-fish-skeleton-skeleton-gif-12751423866660611595

[white matrix]

Not that kind of fish Esca

[viscid surge]

Tysm bro, a fish !

[pearl briar]

did somebody said bruhathkayo is an abelisaur?

i'm not mentioning to be rude but...
source?

[white matrix]

Bruh is a sauropod

[white matrix]

Where

[iron halo]

#paleontology message

[flat pond]

This Gorgosaurus skeletal is still up to date, correct?

[heady thunder]

I bet that would make a mean mount

[light osprey]

Cause I said so

[west coral]

Here @pearl briar

[pearl briar]

thx

[white matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

/j

[ocean drum]

Ngl crypophosaurus needs more attention.

[kindred hawk]

hey alot of you guys are right pycnos are pretty good u just have to be carful u cant just sit and use the charge because it takes a good amount of stam at least on attack but the bite does ok damage my only issue is that its the same size as an allo yet has less combat weight

[white matrix]

Wrong chat bud

[kindred hawk]

oh my bad

[keen forum]

thats odd seeing TTT bigger than carch

[west coral]

Im pretty sure carch is still bigger than ttt

[viscid surge]

Any cool maastrichtian fish from North America?

[west coral]

xiphactinus

[viscid surge]

More obscure

[sullen cairn]

bonnerichthys

[viscid surge]

Good choice

[sullen cairn]

11.3cm typo abelisaur tooth jumpscare

tooth scaling 👍

[compact leaf]

rebbachisaurus flashback

[viscid surge]

This an ok xiphactinus lineart? If not go ahead and bash it, criticism is appreciated

[light osprey]

Abysmal, you should just give up

/j

[viscid surge]

[light osprey]

I’m no fish expert, but it looks like an Ichthyodectid

[viscid surge]

Good to know

[vocal breach]

How did I manage to do this mostly from memory

Based off of and adjusted to Dan Folkes’ skeletal of course

Also My Utahraptor now vs my Utahraptor 2 months ago

Need an accuracy check for these fellas

[still prairie]

What's the most accurate Lilliensternus recon?

[sullen cairn]

dan's sarco can also be used

[still prairie]

So the speculative crests thing isn't a thing anymore?

[west coral]

I didn’t even know Dan had a sarcosaurus

[sullen cairn]

no they are because every non-coelophysoid neotheropod grading into averostra had dilophosaurus-type crests

[steady rock]

would megalodon and livy reach the same depths that mako sharks and sperm whales can?

[west coral]

Anyone have a high quality version of randoms Xinjiangtitan?

[west coral]

Alright thanks

[white matrix]

Sauropods always baffled me

[west coral]

Who wouldn’t be baffled by something that large

[white matrix]

Im baffled by that necc. How did those things even walk

Hollow bones and a equal weight distribution

It’s actually just all skill

[west coral]

There’s titans like that, and then there’s tiny sauropods that lived with multiple large theropods and still lived long enough to have a fossil record

[white matrix]

At least two of the small Sauropods were results of island dwarfism

[west coral]

I’m talking about mainland ones, like kaatedocus, smitanosaurus and bellusaurus which lived along the likes of Allosaurus, Torvosaurus and Yangchuanosaurus

[white matrix]

They were probably still bigger than those theropods

[compact leaf]

and rebbachisaurids basically all looking the same, being very modestly sized by sauropod standards, and living with giant theropods

[west coral]

Purple and maroon are smitanosaurus and kaatedocus, teal is allosaurus

[sullen cairn]

nomnomnom sauropods

[west coral]

yummy 😋

[sullen cairn]

one of the sauropods of all time

[west coral]

man that feller is tiny

Bonatitan, right?

[copper flame]

is ohmdenosaurus valid?

[west coral]

Yeah

[light osprey]

Menucocelsior arriagadai if I had to guess

[copper flame]

ohmdebosaurus is the smallest sauropod right
also did it live in any formation of some kind

[west coral]

Posidonia shale

[sullen cairn]

yup

[light osprey]

A bit small for Bonatitan no?

[west coral]

Speaking of which, is there any good menucocelsior references out there?

[light osprey]

Idk

[white matrix]

isn't there cisiopurple's rendition, although I guess they aren't really that reliable

[sullen cairn]

i would like to wish all everyone a very cisiopurple is a terrible source in of itself

apparently brick was working on a skeletal at some point though

i just used larramendi's size

[west coral]

Brick was working on an aeolosaurine of sorts

I just don’t know which

This fella right here

[sullen cairn]

i was gonna the paper has a skeletal but

um
yeah

[white matrix]

So besides Stegosaurs, did any other animals have thagomizers?

[white matrix]

although howcome

[sullen cairn]

Replace scale bar with silhouette of unspecified size 👍
Also most of his art is either traced or strictly adheres to preexisting skeletals anyways

[light osprey]

Huayangosaurids

[sullen cairn]

If there isn’t an explicitly stated reference then chances are the “size” is just a very vague educated guess

[woeful falcon]

cisio will do an illustration using any skeletal reference he finds too regardless of its reliability.

[sullen cairn]

Still he has a nice art and I’m impressed by just how much of it he can pump out

[white matrix]

Alright wise guy, lemme expand the question to besides Stegosaurians

[light osprey]

Hehe

[woeful falcon]

cisio, like wikipedia, I find is useable if you know how to navigate his stuff. mostly for names of dinos and getting a quick life restoration of em

[light osprey]

I think the structure described as a Thagomizer is limited to Stegosauria no?

[sullen cairn]

The fact he doesn’t scale the material himself is prolly most obvious in his taurovenator which he just made “moderately large carch size”

[white matrix]

what happened to that image sizing/compression

[sullen cairn]

I’m on my phone and too lazy to actually save the photo lmao

[woeful falcon]

this, what he uses for scale, that he often doesn't include references in the description (especially when I want them) are my biggest peeves about his stuff

[sullen cairn]

Real

[white matrix]

guess we pullin up to his crib

saurophaganax moment

blud is 12.8m at max

[west coral]

Who’s sauro is that?

[sullen cairn]

I see someone else suffered from the stupid teeth being too thin and the entire skull getting deleted

[west coral]

common occurance

[white matrix]

Lamborlobator

[west coral]

Never knew he made a sauro

[sullen cairn]

It’s from like the past six hours

[west coral]

oh

[white matrix]

wait was sauro before allo or after allo, been getting different answers lately

[sullen cairn]

Sauro’s the same age as jimmadseni and predates fragilis

[light osprey]

What members are they both present in?

[sullen cairn]

sauro's from kenton is apparently contemporary with upper salt wash-lower brushy basin

[light osprey]

Huh. Pretty neat

[warped spindle]

I have a question involving Sarkastodon. Specifically about it's family, Oxyaenidae and what the closest modern relative these guys would be to.

[white matrix]

oxyaenids would have evolved into various modern mammalian groups so it’s pretty tricky afaik

[warped spindle]

Well my friend says they're closely related to ferrets and weasels and I can't find any evidence suggesting such

[white matrix]

Hey uh @bright veldt do you know?

[white matrix]

Largest specimen

Not maximum of the taxon

[bright veldt]

Lemme do a quick dig

Oxyaenids are a basal group of ferae, which is the overall group that includes pangolins and carnivorans today. Hyaenodonts are a group in a similar boat.

[warped spindle]

Pangolins? Dang would have never had expected that. Thanks Scanova!

[alpine island]

Uh real quick does anyone have an Eotrike skeletal

[alpine island]

Appreciate it

[wary granite]

This post made my heart happy

[sullen cairn]

If I had a nickel for every large maastrichtian herbivore that only has one decent skeletal which is by GAT and is substantially oversized in-game, I’d have two nickels

Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice

[wary granite]

Which ones?

[sullen cairn]

Bars and eo

[alpine island]

Now the question is which oversize is more egregious

[wary granite]

Bars is which one ? I need to look (I have been away from the game for a while)

[sullen cairn]

Big hadrosaur

[wary granite]

Oh yeah that thing is HUGE

[sullen cairn]

Bars is still very large hadrosaur but it’s less big than shown in-game

[alpine island]

Bars was gigantic but not the Shant replacement we have ingame

[wary granite]

Yeah I looked at a size chart for it, wild LOL

[sullen cairn]

man (i am now using an average size rex to appease the masses)

[wary granite]

Large

[sullen cairn]

irl metri and eotrike is never not funny

[wary granite]

Ed is bigger yeah?

[sullen cairn]

than bars?

[alpine island]

Largest Ed specimens are bigger than Bars to my knowledge

[wary granite]

Yes, sizing that I was looking at shows it bigger

[sullen cairn]

and then there's the average edmontosaurus

[light osprey]

Curious lil thing, Edmontosaurus

[wary granite]

I’m so happy someone slapped gorgonopsids in the game. I need more mammalian creatures

[sullen cairn]

paleonerds when the 5t edmontosaurus doesn't blitz the 7t tyrannosaurus ambushing it (it is an herbivore and therefore must be aggressive)

[light osprey]

They should be a good deal quicker right?

[sullen cairn]

the smaller ones at least i'd imagine

i think lvl5 did some speed calcs at some point?

[light osprey]

But don’t be silly, herbivores would never dare to run from the apex predator

They’d pummel the preverbal Tyrannosaurus

[alpine island]

You see it’s faster and so it would dodge the stinky rex bites and tackle it to the ground 🧠

[sullen cairn]

i'm sure to win because my speed is superior

[light osprey]

I suppose there’s plenty of extant ecosystems with really heavy apex predators right?

[sullen cairn]

relative to sympatric herbivores?

[light osprey]

Si

[sullen cairn]

not to the degree of rex afaik

although then again triceratops' average weight is [REDACTED]

polar bears in the winter ig?

not that clobbering innocent seals is really comprable to most predator-prey interactions

[light osprey]

Compared to most of the terrestrial fauna, SA Panthera onca I think is pretty big

[sullen cairn]

I can't think of anything better

[light osprey]

Heard it here first folks, Jaguar is the modern day Tyrannosaurus 💯

[sullen cairn]

edmontosaurus is kinda weird in how much smaller it is than rex
though that's more of a rex being big thing

[alpine island]

Nah man clearly every Ed was the 14m 15 ton monster X-Rex is

[sullen cairn]

rmq study my beloved

hmm yes clearly this thing was comparable to a buffalo in anti-predatory behavior

[light osprey]

You’re onto something

[sullen cairn]

the edmontosaurus has killed the tyrannosaurus with its... powerful tail... and.. bulk? and roars triumphantly

[alpine island]

Average Lamb vs Rex fight ingame

[wary granite]

It’s usually like six of those v rex

[light osprey]

PhP could never achieve accuracy like this

[sullen cairn]

Nice argument
However, i am calling the hadrosaur a “bull edmontosaurus in musth” to arbitrarily make it sound more dangerous

[light osprey]

He’s surely got to be top dog of hell creek now

[white matrix]

The Ed sat on the Rex

[white matrix]

As much as I love clowning on PoT Rex, come on, Lamb is a steak on legs for Rex

[heady thunder]

Lamb vs Rex isnt really one sided no matter how you look at it

[tranquil quartz]

What are the largest estimates for MUCPv-95?

[stiff osprey]

8% larger than MUCPv-Ch1 is the largest estimate, which would make it up to 13.7 m and 10.6 tonnes

[pearl briar]

what abt that 10.1 ton MUCP giga?

[stiff osprey]

that is a more likely estimate for 95

he asked for the largest though, not the most likely

[pearl briar]

so giga is still 12.7-13.7 meters long and 8.8-10.6 tonnes or what?

[west coral]

Is the case of cannibalism in Majungasaurus just scavenging or just killing another Majungasaurus?

[light oxide]

Most likely a mix of both, honestly -- all theropods are known to scavenge their own kind or even cannibalize.

[static zodiac]

Did the spinosaurids really evolved from the megalosaurids?

[white matrix]

Probably both. I would of thought that any meat found would trigger any hungry carnivore rather than what the meat belonged to.

I also would of thought that a weak or just any majungasaurus would kill another if they were hungry enough.

[white matrix]

I know it's just how it works but, I don't like that size is measured by weight and not length. I want dinosaurs to be the biggest creatures ever, not whales

[light osprey]

They are a sister clade in Megalosauroidae so, not exactly

[west coral]

random opisthocoelicaudine #13 and Qianzhousaurus

[light osprey]

Most normal sympatric prey/predator size comp in Maastrichtian SA

[west coral]

Random opisthocoelicaudine #7 and zhuchengtyrannus but this time it’s fair

[heady thunder]

Zhuch can cook

[west coral]

except with shant

[stiff osprey]

tfw the ornithischians all randomly became massive and the tyrannosaurs start looking at you funny

[west coral]

Nemegto and ZTT:

[grand marsh]

Yes, they did. I get the confusion.

[compact leaf]

they didn’t evolve from megalosaurids directly they share a common ancestor

[bright veldt]

They’re the first carnosaurs to split off afaik, although they are close to megalosaurs.

[sullen cairn]

casual piatnitzkysaurid erasure

[west coral]

I don’t really think they were swimming around and stuff

[snow python]

Up to date/accurate?

[light osprey]

Nope, totally wrong. Randomdinos make bad skeletal (sarcasm)

[west coral]

Maybe something along the lines of Eustreptospondylus could have diverged?

[light osprey]

I think Spinosauridae might originate on Gondwana

[snow python]

Was ostafrikasaurus the first spinosaur?

[light osprey]

There’s some teeth from Tendaguru, maybe that’s the one

[sullen cairn]

osta's a ceratosaurid

[light osprey]

Oof

[white matrix]

@dreamy lance

What

[bitter oasis]

thank you

[light osprey]

Rare wholsome mods

[sage sigil]

i was saying hi to mt friend

[lavish frigate]

Oh no what happened….also cryo jumpscare

Are those feathers too derived?

[bright veldt]

Probably

[wind prairie]

scanova I have a question for you

what are your thoughts on concavenator having derived pennaceous wing feathers?

[bright veldt]

We don’t know what’s going on with Concavenator rn. Simple as that.

[wind prairie]

yes but like does that even make remote sense on a carcharodontosaur

[stray wren]

With what we know at current, probably not? But it's a real guessing game ATM

[scenic flame]

there is also the X-compsognathids which were reclassified as various juvienile and hatchling carcharodontosaurs and megalosaurs

[light osprey]

The presence of primitive filamentous feathers isn’t a problem, it’s the suggestion of Pennaceous form feather which throws it in a loop

[stray wren]

Could just be quills, full stop

[wary granite]

Do y’all prefer dinosaurs be shrink wrapped? I feel like when I see the bone models with the black outline showing the bodies it’s too close to the bone?? Opinions? Thoughts?

[heady thunder]

I like my dinos muscular

[white matrix]

Bubble wrapped?

[light osprey]

I like a good sweet spot

🤤

[wary granite]

I need MEAT on them Dinos

[wind prairie]

I'm going to say something controversial not for the sake of controversy but because I truly believe this

feathered dinosaurs are not as scary as the scaly ones. Now now, before you say anything- obviously feathered dinosaurs are still scary in the sense that they can kill a person, but I mean appearance wise. One aspect of the jurassic park raptors' scariness was their weird, gangly, alien appearance..

[white matrix]

Yummy sosig

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-to-agree-with-this-michael-che-saturday-night-live-i-agree-approve-for-that-gif-21183171

[bright veldt]

We don’t have jack from carnosauria as a whole outside of a few select scales

They could have widespread feathering for all we know. We just have no idea rn.

[wind prairie]

true

[scenic flame]

can always make your art or models with out feathers and if stuff changes just say the feathers are too small to be worth adding

also I didn't mean to reply to that message lmao

[wind prairie]

oh and btw by what I said I didn't mean I think dinosaurs only exist to be scary monsters, absolutely not

[sullen cairn]

bajo barreal stuff slowly closing in on local megaraptoran

how tf was that maxilla initially estimated at 8-10m

[gaunt raven]

Idk this is pretty creepy too

[wind prairie]

I prefer dinosaurs portrayed as living animals that once lived in real life, I'm just saying if they are scary the feathered ones aren't

[scenic flame]

oh dw I was just pulling yer leg

[wind prairie]

see now this would be a scarier sight if it was gangly and bald

[bright veldt]

I feel like the only reason we haven’t seen many scary feathered dinosaurs is because most people haven’t tried. Horror is way too abstract as a whole to say that dinosaurs can’t be scary cause of some slight puff added onto it.

[gaunt raven]

Exactly

[elfin pulsar]

Saying weird scaly dinos are scarier is kinda… obvious? Idk ofc something will be scarier if it looks weirder and less fluffy

But I wouldn’t say something can’t be scary just cuz it has feathers

[wind prairie]

like are there any unsettling feathered raptors on the internet that don't just have white neck feathers that look like big grinning human teeth??

[gaunt raven]

You can make a feathered dino scary without making it look like a stupid lizard

[scenic flame]

I feel like what reeeeeee is trying to get at is that featherless irl feathered dinos are more on the disgusting scary side of things, like a skinless irl skinned person

[sullen cairn]

joschua my beloved

[bright veldt]

Ahzdarchids are fluffy animals but they’ve basically invented their own little niche sub genre of horror for the folks that know about them

[wind prairie]

exactly what I was talking about, this is cheating

[elfin pulsar]

Sirenhead bird

[light osprey]

Fair but I myself prefer pretty dinosaurs as opposed to spooky dooky

[wind prairie]

azhdarchids aren't as obviously poofy and they are still gangly so yes they are spooky

[scenic flame]

like these 2 are scary if different ways, not nessisarily more than the other

[gaunt raven]

Well no one has really tried except for the clip I sent, to make a scary feathered raptor

[bright veldt]

I mean there are some fluffy pterosaurs thatre also notable in said horror. Shoutout to Vaskalamaldus

[light osprey]

Tapejarids are pretty feathery right?

[heady thunder]

Paleo accurate dinos are less scary, cos they look natural. The more natural it looks the less scary it is, thats why a deer suffering from that wasting disease is scarier then this.

[scenic flame]

Petr Menshikov and SpinelessChordate

[wind prairie]

thing is, things can look natural and scary, but some modern birds are legitimately scary to look at so I'm sure it can be done but I haven't seen it done yet

[scenic flame]

there's a distinct difference between fearing for your life scary and "this thing is going to play chess with me and cheer when it loses"

[bright veldt]

There was also that analogue horror series on twitter that used notably feathered dinosaurs

[heady thunder]

At the end of the day, the scariest thing is universally humanoid things which look, off.

[sullen cairn]

i thought that was more of a shitpost than analogue horror

[west coral]

You know how to get the best of both worlds? You could use scarring and mange to make a critter look gruesomely disfigured

[heady thunder]

Thats scary however you slice it, cos we are hardwired to be cautious of it

[wind prairie]

yep I was gonna say. That's the only legitimately scary accurate raptor on the internet

[compact leaf]

we also have to consider there’s ways for something to be scary without it necessarily looking as scary, putting an animal that is still creepy in a very scary situation works well

[scenic flame]

luck would have it that said door in this image has no lock

[elfin pulsar]

Yeah but then that’s not the animal that’s the situation

[heady thunder]

Heres the thing, it doesnt look like a dinosaur

It looks like a lemur thingy

[compact leaf]

that’s what I’m saying it doesn’t have to rely solely on looking scary the situation carries a lot of it

[bright veldt]

There’s been entire vids on YouTube at this point on its effectiveness so it hasn’t exactly been taken as a shitpost. It definitely started a shitposty trend from less serious people though

[wind prairie]

there's a particular fictional character I'd be embarassed to admit I'm terrified of so I won't say it here because if someone were to even post an image I think my heart would jump

[elfin pulsar]

(It’s yoshi)

[wind prairie]

it looks exactly like a dinosaur?

[sullen cairn]

this is the objective scariest depiction of any dinosaur

[gaunt raven]

A natural looking animal can be scary? Many birds look scary just by being what they are

[wind prairie]

yoshi isn't exactly very humanoid

[gaunt raven]

That is hands down the most frightening image I have ever seen

[elfin pulsar]

He got thumbs and can talk he’s there

[heady thunder]

It doesnt. Especially at that angle. It looks like those humanoid bird things

[light osprey]

I got shivers just looking at it

[compact leaf]

another example would be something like a plesiosaur, they don’t look particularly scary but being in murky water with one swimming around you would be terrifying

[wind prairie]

that's literally one of the most scientifically faithful eudromaeosaurs I've seen

[elfin pulsar]

I’m ngl I agree it doesn’t look like a dino it looks more like a weird dog

It lowkey looks goofy

[gaunt raven]

Even natural animals doing natural things can be scary, a dino defending a kill it just made is scary without needing to be over the top or completely unnatural

[heady thunder]

Yeah, you gotta look close to find the dino parts, like one glimpse and it looks more like a human in a mask

[gaunt raven]

That’s what I think every time I see it, kinda reminds me of a bad werewolf movie

[wind prairie]

they don't look particularly scary?? I beg to differ.

[gaunt raven]

That’s a skull? Without all the skin over it, any animal looks scary by just its skull

[bright veldt]

It honestly isn’t too much different with the skin lmao

[wind prairie]

and? that's still a horrifying skull with big british teeth

[heady thunder]

Me covered with blood and a knife will look scary, doesnt make me scarier then a deformed humanoid thing doing the same

[wind prairie]

and yeah it's not like they had whale esc melon heads covering those up. The long gangly neck certainly helps as well

[gaunt raven]

Yeah ik I’m just saying

[sullen cairn]

Terrifying

[compact leaf]

well I guess I’m just not uncomfortable with them but you are right they’re freaky, like looking at them doesn’t creep me out but if I were around one I’d be uncomfy

[wind prairie]

uncanny plesiosaurs my beloved

[heady thunder]

In that situation a trout would probably make you pee your pants

[gaunt raven]

Ok but is the first one still scary? Yes it is so to say that it just isn’t possible to be scary while still looking like a real thing is objectively wrong

[elfin pulsar]

A rabbit would jump scare me at that point if it was that scenario

[gaunt raven]

Horrifying, I’m gonna have nightmares now

[heady thunder]

No one said that. The argument was, that the less realistic monsterish dinos look scarier then the more realistic dinos, the same way the bear from Annihilation is scarier then a normal bear

[light osprey]

Spooky Elasmosaurids

[gaunt raven]

The argument was that feathered dinos aren’t scary at all because of feathers?

[heady thunder]

No?

[bright veldt]

Elasmosaur faces look goofy when you look at images but you’d definitely be terrified if they were in your face in the flesh

[gaunt raven]

You are right nevermind, I misread something

[heady thunder]

Depends, if they were up at the surface doing tricks, theyd look quite charming

[still prairie]

I mean i refuse to look at arks plesi for that reason

[west coral]

You guys are forgetting about the goat of plesiosaur horror, abyssosaurus

[compact leaf]

my point exactly

[elfin pulsar]

(Almost) Everything deep sea is scary as hell tho tbf

[bright veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/292833425797152780/1160035447905472532/20231006195211_1.jpg?ex=653c6cb3&is=6529f7b3&hm=7d75cdf1dbde34db987c11b1ef2f340008907007e1598a2f41842d9caa5a8649&

[heady thunder]

Deep sea without anything added on is scary

[gaunt raven]

Personally I think that literally anything will be scary if you put it in the dark, like this little micro shouldn’t be scary but now it’s in the dark so it’s scary

[wind prairie]

ehh I'd be terrified if something with a face only a mother could love was jumping in and out of the water

[light osprey]

I wonder if you’d be able to swim with em 🤔

[heady thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/hölderlin-hoelderlin-dark-light-in-gif-16478192

[bright veldt]

We honestly would never know. I wouldn’t be surprised if they werent gentle giants though. We’re conveniently the size of their given prey, and we know they weren’t picky.

[light osprey]

Aristonectids are they benthic feeding enough to not want to eat us?

[bright veldt]

Yeah no they wouldnt. They’re filter feeders they don’t have the equipment.

[gaunt raven]

Pure horror

[light osprey]

So, I’m gonna swim with those 11 metre Aristonectes 😎

[sullen cairn]

why do all of the scary recons just look like they've been consuming illicit substances

[bright veldt]

It’s the eyes

[wind prairie]

aristonectines are scary the same way large baleen whales are

[light osprey]

Size can be pretty spooky

Maybe spooky is the wrong word

[still prairie]

Honestly i have a terrifying idea.If a dino entered a populated area and just tore everyone apart while an EAS alarm was playing[Preferably one of those scary ones]

[elfin pulsar]

That would go for anything really

[heady thunder]

Replace dinosaur with human child

[gaunt raven]

Dino crisis

[still prairie]

[heady thunder]

Goated game

[wind prairie]

also no lips can kinda make it scarier

[bright veldt]

I think it’s something much easier to work with though. Most reptiles outside of crocodiles have lips but many still find them unsettling.

[sullen cairn]

giant maastrichtian chinese megaraptoran tooth jumpscare (terrifying)

[light osprey]

(The scale bar represents a metre)

[still prairie]

What

[compact leaf]

real and true 💯

[sullen cairn]

real

[light osprey]

He’s the reason the Deccan Traps were set off (oh wait that’s Kurupi wrong continent)

[wind prairie]

only if in conjunction with big teeth might I add, this is why plesiosaurs are uncanny

[bright veldt]

It’s the giant interlocking teeth and the eyes, on top of being pretty snake-esc

[west coral]

bruh real abelisaurid size

[wind prairie]

also I know this is unrelated to being appearance wise but since plesiosaurs have been found with smaller mosasaurs in their stummies, right? they'd actually be a legitimate threat to a person

[light osprey]

It just takes a lil PhP magic to make anything look plausible and majestic (imo)

[wind prairie]

also wait what

[heady thunder]

Call it PP

[bright veldt]

Yeah, there was also an ecology paper that suggests they were predators to hesperornis, which is only slightly smaller than the average person

[light osprey]

Nuh uh

[wind prairie]

hesperornis is that big what??

[bright veldt]

40 kg, which is like almost 100 lbs

[wind prairie]

I thought it was just pretty big like half human size-

[light osprey]

Canadega gets bigger maybe right?

[heady thunder]

40kg is human sized?

[sullen cairn]

giant tooth that doesn't match derived tyrannosaurids

[bright veldt]

I said slightly smaller than the average person for a reason lol, not literally human sized

[wind prairie]

yeah but that's still enormous

[bright veldt]

Big bird

[heady thunder]

Isnt that like big emperor penguin size

[west coral]

chilantaisaurus

[light osprey]

must be an even more derived Tyrannosaur

[bright veldt]

Ye

[wind prairie]

I thought that hesperornis would be like 50 or 60 pounds

also, how did hesperornis move on land? did it just drag its belly around, did it stand upright??

[heady thunder]

Backflips

[bright veldt]

It dragged its belly

[wind prairie]

so like in chased by sea monsters?

[bright veldt]

Ye

[west coral]

retractable cartilage arms

[bright veldt]

I digged into hesperornis a lot at one point so I can verify

[wind prairie]

ah ok. I feel like you could make hesperornis uncanny unironically, big torpedo shaped penguins (NOT ACTUALLY PENGUINS I KNOW) with toothy bills are scary in concept. I know the primeval scene is irrelevent since its appearance isn't even remotely accurate there, but still

[bright veldt]

That’s also how I found out the cursed fact that hesperornis is mostly not beaked 💀

[wind prairie]

??????

[bright veldt]

Only the front half of the top jaw is beaked

[wind prairie]

EWWWWWWWWW

[light osprey]

Silly fellas

[bright veldt]

Apparently teeth and beaks can’t really mix in birds.

[wind prairie]

so wait did it not have teeth on the front of its top jaw?

[bright veldt]

It didn’t yeah

You can also see this in PhP’s hesperornis

[wind prairie]

oh wow I didn't even notice that

that's messed up

[tranquil quartz]

Dinosaur moment

[wind prairie]

btw, how do we know this isn't literally anything else??

[light osprey]

Cause what else could it be

[sullen cairn]

the most reasonable anything else is either a megaraptoran or a giant alioramin

[light osprey]

“Reasonable”

[wind prairie]

alioramin makes a lot more sense

[west coral]

how is a giant alioramin reasonable?

[sullen cairn]

would be a big ass alioramin (which is based)

[wind prairie]

considering they're actually y'know.. found in that area

[tranquil quartz]

Giant alioramin sounds cursed

[light osprey]

Me when mesopredator is big now

[bright veldt]

Keep in mind PhP’s take on Qianzhou is allo-sized

[sullen cairn]

the creature

it's a big tooth

[tranquil quartz]

That looks weird

[wind prairie]

could've just been an average sized one with proportionally huge teeth

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[light osprey]

Maybe it’s a misidentified turtle

(Definitely how that works 💯)

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah its just a big old turtle
It will like Therizonsaurus all over again

And Dakotataptor, which is also equally as cursed as this giant alioramin

[sullen cairn]

now to figure out what the hell the context of this was (its probably embargoed and i will never know)

[light osprey]

Lovely

[wind prairie]

question, what's with the cursed little upper teeth I've been seeing oviraptorids portayed with recently? did caenagnathids have them too?

[tranquil quartz]

cute

[west coral]

the next turkana giant

[scenic flame]

not recent, its been how they've been recon for decades

[lavish frigate]

Is there more than one video on it now?

[wind prairie]

well I never noticed them, and I don't think I've seen them on caenagnathids

[light osprey]

Grr I need this still in high res

[sullen cairn]

on the topic of qian hartman's skeletal looks lovely in neutral

[light osprey]

He’s a little guy

[wind prairie]

the proportions look strange, this is based on it not being fully grown though right?

[sullen cairn]

qian is pretty close to be fully grown iirc

[wind prairie]

I mean yeah but it's like a subadult isn't it

[light osprey]

So, pretty close to full grown

[sullen cairn]

The holotype of Q. sinensis represents the adult level of
maturity and so represents the maximum ratio of skull
height to skull length achieved by adult alioramins.

mind you that's a prediction

[frosty anvil]

Offtopic briefly but "the proportions are strange, must not be fully grown" is one of my favorite things about animals because YEA they really do look strange

[steady rock]

they did my boy theri wrong

[sullen cairn]

altai remotus and qian are progressively more mature than the other

[west coral]

The fella is still tiny compared to random opisthocoelicaudine #13

[steady rock]

i lied, its a TERROR BIRD

[sullen cairn]

and alioramins didn't do the whole skinny-robust ontogeny thing either so qian's probably pretty indicative of fully grown maturity

[tranquil quartz]

What in oblivion is that

[steady rock]

a terror bird

[light osprey]

Yeah, that’s roughly how it appears in PhP, so Hartman stayed consistent with the design

[tranquil quartz]

that ain’t no terror bird,
Thats just an abomination

[west coral]

why does it have hands

[steady rock]

its a bird that gives me terror

[tranquil quartz]

Why does it have hands and why is it built like that

[light osprey]

Terrorizing bird

[tranquil quartz]

Terrorising Mutant

[steady rock]

the only good thought about the terror bird movie is that it got the correct way it would've swung its head, like a axe motion and made for a pretty sick kill

[frosty anvil]

That aint no bird it dosent even have wings

[tranquil quartz]

Of course its not a bird its has hands
why

[light osprey]

Are there any animations of non avian theropod running that demonstrate the head stabilisation (besides PhP)

[sullen cairn]

blameson made some recently iirc

[frosty anvil]

One of my favorite modern-day examples is the canada lynx because boy you tiny why yo feet so clown

Name a prehistoric baby that is as ridiculous as these guys

[tranquil quartz]

uh probably a baby/juvenile Tullimonstrum

[frosty anvil]

Adolescent spinos probably looked rlly goofy

Or thylacoleos

[tranquil quartz]

Baby Temnospondyls probably looked pretty goofy

[light osprey]

Gimme

[frosty anvil]

True

[sullen cairn]

lmao qian and majunga look so goofy next to each other

[heady thunder]

Majunga is chilling, Qian is the goofy goober

[tranquil quartz]

Thats just because its an alioramin

[sullen cairn]

tfw qian is practically same hip height as aerosteon

[heady thunder]

Tall thing

[west coral]

Weird fella

Probably specialized in oviraptorosaurs

[sullen cairn]

did it really have a choice

[west coral]

no

I mean, microhadrosaurus might be on the menu, but it’s both a nomen dubium and a juvenile

[light osprey]

It’s a nomen dubium cause it was named after juvenile material, not because it’s not a hadrosaur or anything

Plus the irony of calling the hypothetical adult Microhadrosaurus is too good to pass up on

[west coral]

shant sized hadrosaur named microhadrosaurus

oh god I was right

[woeful falcon]

"North American and Canadian"

[light osprey]

Me when Asian hadrosaur is a Saurolophine 🤯🤯🤯

[sullen cairn]

new jersey is heavily a disputed territory so we can't specify country

[clever sable]

North America isn't a country tho......

[woeful falcon]

I like the other implication

Canada is not part of North America

[bright veldt]

Eh I'd get what they mean if Hadrosaurus was actually widespread

[sullen cairn]

the problem is there's to put it lightly mild controversey surrounding whether new jersey belongs to either canada or the US. And because the canadian claim to new jersey is called "rupertsville" (rather than new jersey) most literature opts to refer to anything from new jersey/ruperstsville as just "North American" to avoid offending either side

[light osprey]

Is there any weight to Montane NA Pachycephalosaurids?

[west coral]

this can’t be real

[stray wren]

There's an island between Jersey and Canada that's a disputed claim, is what they mean, not the whole of New Jersey

[west coral]

oh

[lavish frigate]

He heard what you said about his kids

[light osprey]

No answer, guess I’m running with the meme

[tranquil quartz]

Baby Platyhystrix probably looked quite cool though

[sullen cairn]

that is a very horned frog looking platy

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah I thought it looked cool, I don’t think it’s accurate though

[sullen cairn]

i dig the colors

[crude latch]

Isn’t it old news that sauros could break the sound barrier with there tails?

[tranquil quartz]

Yes

[crude latch]

So they couldn’t

[tranquil quartz]

They weren’t whipping them about extremely fast and creating sonic booms but it’s likely they could slowly swing them and sauropods weren’t strangers to kicking as well.

[crude latch]

I feel like being able to break the sound Barrier like that would shatter your bones so it’s nice to hear they didn’t

[stiff osprey]

Yes, ironically, not being supersonic makes the tails way better as weapons lmao

[crude latch]

Ye that would bad for both Dino’s

[tranquil quartz]

I mean either way any attack from a sauropod is going to hurt a lot

[stiff osprey]

I gotta admit, as nonsensical as it is, that Dinosaur Revolution scene where Supersaurus slices through a tree with its tail is amazing

[silver canopy]

I Love Prehistoric Planets Austro..

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah Austros one of the best parts of season 2 imo

[white matrix]

is it based on hartmans skeletal or sergi's?

[silver canopy]

Season Two Wasnt All That Bad As A Whole.. Still Wished They Showed More Blood And Had More Interesting And Lengthy Kills.. qwq

And I Loved Hatz In Season Two

[tranquil quartz]

Just wanted a megaraptor to be show, we’ve been in South America numerous times in the show and yet no Maip or anything.

[silver canopy]

Also I Love How Austroraptors Are Shown Bickering With Eachother And Fighting

I Think The Young Austro Stealing From Older Ones Was Based On Eagles Right?

[tranquil quartz]

Yeah iirc it was.
Php as a whole has used bird behaviour a ton to model non avian dinosaur behaviour, which isn’t surprising since birds are the only dinosaurs left.

[silver canopy]

Also Love That We Finally Got An Antisocial Dromeosaur..

Also I Love That Both Episodes With Bezel Aired On A Wensday.

[fast raft]

Still my favourite Allosaurus design Big Al from Walking With Dinosaurs

[silver canopy]

Also I Love How, Even If They Dont State It You Can Tell Which Is A Male And Which Is A Female Austro Based Of The Red Spots And How Dark The Colors Are

(Red w Darker Colors Are Males And Lighter With No Spot Are Females)

[sullen cairn]

Allen fauna is automatically based

[silver canopy]

Then The Sub Adult Has A Mess Of Ugly Looking Feathers.

[fast raft]

Walking with dinosaurs was my childhood

[steady rock]

why was sinoceratops the only Ceratopsidae in asia?

proto and udano dont count and those, their the other species i forgot the name of

basal species

[compact leaf]

preservation bias could be playing a part there probably were others they just weren’t as common, iirc there’s an abstract from svp that talks about some teeth from asia

[steady rock]

oh

i thought ceratopsids perserve hella well tho

[crude latch]

Tbh the Austros remind a lot of Sandhill Cranes because of there coloratation and it makes me wonder if that’s what there based off color wise

[silver canopy]

I Think Sandhill And Eagles Were The Main Inspirations Tbh

[white matrix]

Is there a top down koolasuchus skeletal out there?

[stiff osprey]

no, but it'd basically look like Siderops

[sullen cairn]

but we want a downops

[white matrix]

and topops

[west coral]

don’t forget leftops

[viscid surge]

And last but not least, rightops 👍

[tranquil quartz]

What about backwardsops and fowardops?

[scenic flame]

but they're never around

[west coral]

pretty much every opisthocoelicaudine

[west coral]

Left to right: Gannansaurus, “Antarctosaurus” jaxarticus, Opisthocoelicaudia, Qingxiusaurus, Qinlingosaurus, Nemegtosaurus, Sonidosaurus, Quaesitosaurus, Zhuchengtitan, Arkharavia, and Yunxianosaurus

[light oxide]

Question -- is the third Allosaurus species (the one that started with an E, not fragilis or jimmadseni) still valid, or is it just Saurophaganax?

[bright veldt]

Neither afaik?

[light oxide]

So neither Saurophaganax nor an Allosaurus species?

[iron halo]

Are you talking about europaeus?

[light oxide]

Yes

[sullen cairn]

you mean epanterias?
its not sauro cause its too young and too far north

[light oxide]

Hold on--

[sullen cairn]

also europaeus might just be fragilis

[west coral]

wait a minute, how?

[royal vine]

Crashed

[bright veldt]

Lack of distinct characteristics? Last I heard europaeus as something distinct is kinda questionable. Epanterias just, isn't a thing. There's just a lot of indeterminate allosaurids in limbo between allo and sauro. Saurophagonax also isn't in Europe so.

[steady rock]

terror bird.

[stiff osprey]

that's not a bird, but it sure is a terror

[light oxide]

I see.

So europaeus is pretty much an Allosaurus species?

[west coral]

Also, how are S. Osborni and S. Angustirostris the same species?

[light oxide]

If by terror you mean terror to my eyes, then I very much agree.

[steady rock]

is siamosaurus the only asian spinosaurid?

[sullen cairn]

no

afaik nobody's tried lumping the two

[sullen cairn]

europaeus and epantarias amplexus are both effectively allosaurus sp. pending better material and/or reavaluation

[steady rock]

i need asian spinosaurids that arent just siamosaurus

[light oxide]

Ah. Mkay then.

[sullen cairn]

ichthyovenator

[steady rock]

that was in south america

[sullen cairn]

nuh uh

[steady rock]

yuh huh

[sullen cairn]

nuh uh

[steady rock]

um

anyways, ty seating at a table

[sullen cairn]

np

[steady rock]

was rugops in asia

[sullen cairn]

just niger and morocco

[steady rock]

im a failure

[sullen cairn]

there aren't really any abelisaurs in asia

[steady rock]

i mean rajasaurus

its in INDIA, and you know where india is? ASIA

[sullen cairn]

raja's from asia, but india was more similar to africa and south america in fauna

[stray wren]

India also exploded before the end of the cretaceous

[steady rock]

yeah well im making a roster with ONLY asian dinosaurs which includes RUSSIA, MONGOLIA, CHINA, INDIA, AUSTRALIA

[stray wren]

just straight up volcanoes everywhere. There was basically nothing on the indian subcontient when the asteroid hit

[steady rock]

update. australia is its own continent

[sullen cairn]

cause india was doing its little subcontinent thing of being part of gondwana and then being an island with madagascar and then just being an island by itself

[steady rock]

so were the animals affected by island dwarfism?

[sullen cairn]

nah india's huge

[light oxide]

Nothing was on India -- it was basically an island of volcanoes.

Like, literally.

[stray wren]

Yeah

[steady rock]

what about isisaurus

[sullen cairn]

india was abelisauroids and titanosaurs and thats about it
so standard gondwanan stuff

[stray wren]

Isisaurus went extinct, as did almost everything else. India was barren for like, a good bit of the cretaceous

[clever sable]

Australia isn't Asian...... Australia is Australia.....

[steady rock]

oh damn, i thought raja and isisaurus were with trex in surviving to the end of the mezosic

[light oxide]

#paleontology message

[clever sable]

Missed that

[sullen cairn]

lameta and kallamedu are maastrichtian

[steady rock]

i never took geometry, okay?

[stray wren]

Nah nothing was on India during the KT, except a few scattered taxa on the fringes

[clever sable]

Geometry is math...... I think you mean geography

[steady rock]

i need a list of asian carnivores

is russia in Asia?

[light oxide]

Yeah.

[west coral]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_dinosaurs

[sullen cairn]

india had dinosaurs in the maastrichtian its just that they all blew up slightly before the impact iself

[light oxide]

Well, it's part of Eurasia, if that's what your referring to.

[clever sable]

Part is in Asia part is in Europe and part almost extends to north America but not quite

[west coral]

pick and choose from that list

[lavish frigate]

Where….why….who…..huh

[steady rock]

i read that already and forget everything

[light oxide]

India did them a favor before the asteroid struck. Mostly.

[west coral]

make a list of the carnivores then

[steady rock]

omg i should,your so smart

[clever sable]

Zhuchengtyrannus, velo, achillo and Tarbo are some notable ones

[steady rock]

what about yang

[clever sable]

Oh yeah, yang

[west coral]

Sinraptor too, don’t forget about him

[steady rock]

yang, dilong and gualong is the only asian jurassic therapods i can think of

[clever sable]

Chalawan as well but that's not a dinosaur

[stray wren]

Yuty is there too

[steady rock]

yeah but wouldnt tarbo already have yuty's niche?

[west coral]

bruhathkayosaurus aswell

[sullen cairn]

tarbo's like 3-4x larger than yuty

[stray wren]

Yuty is little

[steady rock]

yeah but raptorex is tarbo i thought

[clever sable]

Chalawan material

[sullen cairn]

raptorex is a non-tarbosaurus tyrannosaurine

[stray wren]

raptorex is a Juvenile Tarbosaurus, has been for some time

[clever sable]

Close relative of sarco

[steady rock]

im getting two different answers here

[clever sable]

Literally Asian nanotyrannus

[sullen cairn]

raptorex is its own thing as of carr 2022

or was it 2023
i forgot

[stray wren]

that paper has its own issues and either way, it still considers raptorex a juvenile animal

[steady rock]

its getting confusing

[clever sable]

Put chalawan on the roster

[steady rock]

so i have tarbo as a crusher, yang as a bleeder, um, i need alot more tbh

[clever sable]

My boy needs representation

[steady rock]

3/10 carnis

[sullen cairn]

kid named subcutaneous flange

[steady rock]

oop

[sullen cairn]

and with bagaraatan being another potential tyrannosaurid in the region its not that weird

[steady rock]

dilong or gualong

[sullen cairn]

kileskus 😎

[steady rock]

budget gualong

[sullen cairn]

kileskus benefits from being kinda not tiny

[steady rock]

gualong isnt tiny either

is mongoliustego real

[sullen cairn]

ye

[steady rock]

no i gotta focus on carnis first

[west coral]

Guanlong is 4m while Kileskus is 5.2m

[sullen cairn]

hypothetical adult raptorex would actually be funny to do

[west coral]

if it outsizes tarbo i am torching it

[sullen cairn]

adults of raptorex, bagaraatan, and both alioramus species are at least 5.5t as adults each

[west coral]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

So you’re telling me none of the tyrannosaurs in Nemegt are fully mature except Tarbo?

[sullen cairn]

pin 551-1's like the only definitive osteologically mature tyrannosaur there afaik

[west coral]

small fellas

Would adult alioramins be bulkier, or just larger?

[storm heron]

Well, if they are larger, they would be bulkier

[west coral]

bulkier as in tyrannosaurine bulk

[sullen cairn]

nope

[west coral]

so just tall & lanky?

[sullen cairn]

presumably

[light osprey]

Nemegt moment

[sullen cairn]

qian has a more robust skull comparative to alioramus but its still gracile

[west coral]

bagaraatan casually fighting with ducks over food

[noble ridge]

What colour would the allosaurus be?

[bright veldt]

We dunno

[tiny holly]

We don't know for sure like we do with some dinosaurs, but we can make some educated guesses. As a large predatory theropod they likely wouldnt have any bright pigmentation aside from maybe as a display structure/seasonal thing, and would likely usually be dull-ish camo colours such as tans, greys and browns.

[storm heron]

Qianzhousaurus is still immature though.

[bright veldt]

It's also a subadult, and at that point it's questionable how much larger they actually get.

[storm heron]

Yea, but we do not have a good idea how old it was afaik.

[woeful falcon]

There was a paper about qianzhou recently that touched on this. Has that been discredited

[sullen cairn]

Remotus was considered a young adult and qianzhou even more mature

And alioramins don’t have the second metamorphosis seen in tyrannosaurini growth

So it probably wasn’t getting much more robust than it already was

Qian’s skull osteology only considers altai to be a possible subadult

A. remotus corresponds to young adults (increase in height of skull frame, reduced tooth count, enhanced nasal ornamentation), and Q. sinensis corresponds to relatively more mature adults (smooth nasals, maximally inflated cornual process of the lacrimal, large cornual process of the postorbital).

[sullen cairn]

and the supposed adult alioramus skull doesn't seem appreciably different in morphology from the described alioramin material

[pearl briar]

can anyone with a pro pixlr e skill compared dan's giga & scotty and random's spino with that black 6 ft tall human silhouette?
would very truly appreciate 🙏

[light gust]

Hey

Anyone got a server for me to record a YouTube video on?

[west coral]

wrong chat

[light gust]

K witch chat?

[west coral]

probably general

[pearl briar]

oh srry but not like that 😅
i mean please compared them both 3 with that black 6 ft tall human silhouette like this (ignore random old sue this is just for example)
srry for the late response to anyway

[west coral]

no matter where they go, opisthocoelicaudines somehow always end up dwarved by something

except maybe two

[undone parcel]

saltasaurids in general are almost never that big sauropod wise

[west coral]

I mean, what is considered big sauropod wise?

[heady thunder]

Brachiosaurus and up I suppose

[stiff osprey]

the average sauropod is ~11 tons, so bigger than that would be a large sauropod

though that average includes a lot of juvenile taxa, so maybe 20 tons and up would be better for a 'big' sauropod

which fits as that's the size where they get bigger than any other land animal

[west coral]

So about two saltasaurids are considered large

[compact leaf]

I would say well below brachiosaurus, even the immature holotype brachi is pretty large and if we consider height even more so

[heady thunder]

How heavy was brachi?

[undone parcel]

like..50ish tons

[west coral]

Alamo and Dread

I am pretty sure

[heady thunder]

Well, maybe camara sized and up they can be called big or whatever

[undone parcel]

26-46 tons

[heady thunder]

Someone should do art of a Camara in a Camaro

[undone parcel]

or..bumblebee but instead of a camaro hes a camara?

[stray wren]

Yeah large Sauropods are like, Apato size to me. After that you've got the true Giants

[undone parcel]

even then you have dicreasaurids in the Diplodocids and majority of Dicreasaurs are small

[stray wren]

Dicraeosaurs are the oddballs here, short necked weirdos

[undone parcel]

and Brachtrachelolpan

[compact leaf]

rebbachisaurids wound up with short necks too and they were really successful for some reason

[undone parcel]

and seem to have spinal humps