paleontology

[undone parcel]

so?, factually spinos taller all and all

[wary panther]

its not the tallest, LOL

[pearl briar]

so?
theri is the tallest theropod

[undone parcel]

not tallest carnivourous theropod

[light osprey]

If you’re not a goofy goober and willing to measure an animal by it’s tallest point…. 🫴

[copper flame]

BY HEIGHT NOT MASS EVERYBODY

[wary panther]

theropod height is measured by the hip, not the spine

[undone parcel]

yet by logic its the tallest of the 3

[wary panther]

its uh, not

[stiff osprey]

Spinosaurus has a hip height of 2.8 m. Tyrannosaurus has a hip height of 3.9 m. It's not even close

[light osprey]

Is Spinosaurus within tickling range

[wary panther]

TY RANDOMDINOS

[undone parcel]

if you saw the 3 together you say spinos tallest due too the sail overall

[wary panther]

But, its not B)

[light osprey]

B)

[undone parcel]

im arguing with a rex fanboy who am i kidding

[wary panther]

bruh

[light osprey]

I think this chadly beast might just be taller

[woeful falcon]

Its a simple concept

You don't go by the sail

[copper flame]

yall stay gasing up spino, giga, and theri but did yall forget him?

[pearl briar]

bro built like a baked bean

[wary panther]

oh hell nah, bigger than a whole giraffe

[light osprey]

Excluded from Theropoda. L Azhdarchids

[copper flame]

blud got that hippo build bruh

[pearl briar]

no way
blabbit is here 😨

[undone parcel]

aram is just a neckbone and maybe other material but i dont know about the supposed height overall

[wary panther]

Blud got that " uh actually Im de strongest thewopod 🤓 "

[light osprey]

Makes sense why Lecho Formation has like no big dinosaurs, Saltasaurus ate everything there

[wary panther]

Spinosaurs still isn't tall B)

[copper flame]

thats wild

[wary panther]

stop calling them fat, they are just big boned

[light osprey]

It’s real and true. The wacky and very reliable world of the Mesozoic fossil record

[undone parcel]

dont care ignoring hip height spinos taller

[woeful falcon]

I also like lying to myself

[wary panther]

Based, I love willful ignorance B)

[copper flame]

there fat

[undone parcel]

i aint wrong

[wary panther]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[light osprey]

Damn didn’t know Saltasaurus was extant

[copper flame]

this guy is the biggest bird tbh

[wary panther]

not a bird 🤓

[undone parcel]

Argent?

[light osprey]

Proof?

[boreal ore]

Nah

[wary panther]

Me when people call non avian dinosaurs "birds"

[gaunt raven]

So real

[light osprey]

The actual biggest bird

[undone parcel]

sauropods are on the same line as birds so for all intents and purposes..their birds

[wary panther]

NO

THEY ARE NOT BIRDS, BIRDS ARE DINOSAURS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND... RAH

[pearl briar]

nah
argy 🔛🔝

[light osprey]

Gargantuavis true king of the Dinosaurs

He better make an appearance in PhP

[undone parcel]

was Gargant Hateg?..

[copper flame]

yall think sauropods woul mourn the death of herd members

[wary panther]

hot topic: I hate feathers, and I don't care

[light osprey]

I think it’s got attributed material all across Europe

[stiff osprey]

I hate skin 👍

[boreal ore]

I hate bones

[copper flame]

scales🔛🔝

[pearl briar]

i hate eyes

[undone parcel]

i dont love it..spino aint even top 10 for me

[copper flame]

I liked spino in the first place for haveing 3 fingers

[wary panther]

Feathered Spino, Feathered Giga, Feathered Rex, Feathered mammals, feathered food, feathers are everywhere 🙀

[copper flame]

I hated rex for only haveing 2

[undone parcel]

spino is the least likely to have feathers

[gaunt raven]

Tf did you see a “feathered mammal” 💀

[light osprey]

Bros finding new animals

[wary panther]

I've seen a lot of weird feathered things, don't ask

[undone parcel]

i mean emus look like feathered mammals cause they got hair like feathers

[gaunt raven]

Fur isn’t feathers

[wary panther]

Emus are birds

[undone parcel]

noo i dint know..

[copper flame]

loon spino looks cool tho

[wary panther]

THESE FEATHERS

[undone parcel]

everyone knows Oxaliaia is the better spino..and untill said otherwise its valid

[gaunt raven]

Oxalia is very likely to be invalid just accept it

[light osprey]

Oh hell naw they can’t get away with putting loon colours on a Spinosaurus. We already have a million loon-esq birds in the Cretaceous, we don’t need more 😭

[undone parcel]

no material to prove it so nope

[wary panther]

actually, we got a few bits of spino

[undone parcel]

Hesperornithines

[copper flame]

BRAZILIAN SPINOSAURUS IS REAL

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/countdooku-justbeginning-beginning-gif-21275421

[wary panther]

Large misconceptition that we don't have a lot of spinosaurus material, we just don't have much

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[gaunt raven]

There’s lot of material pointing towards oxlaia just being a spino specimen though, I like the idea of oxalia just as much as the next guy but it’s unlikely unfortunately

[light osprey]

I can see it being similar in appearance to Spinosaurus. That’s about all I got on it

[undone parcel]

freshwater hespornithines

[copper flame]

did sauropod mourn the death of loved ones like elephants

[wary panther]

L

[copper flame]

tf you mean "L"

[iron halo]

I doubt sauropods were smart so probably not

[gaunt raven]

Dude is just a troll lets be honest

[wary panther]

L sauropod, couldn't be me laying eggs

[copper flame]

I wonder how long ago where humans laying eggs

[gaunt raven]

Never

[wary panther]

They still lay eggs............

[chilly knot]

[copper flame]

yes and no

[gaunt raven]

No we don’t dawg 💀, having eggs that are necessary for internal fertilization isn’t “laying eggs” in the slightest

[wary panther]

The eggs simply don't go out of the body, doesn't mean we don't lay them into the womb

[copper flame]

we have eggs they just hatch inside us
but we dont just straight up lay them

[light osprey]

What a lil cutie

[undone parcel]

sauropods were smart just not in the way humans measure it

[west coral]

you guys see d. longus yet?

[wary panther]

No animal is smart in human standards.

[stiff osprey]

D.shortus

[gaunt raven]

A lot are actually even in “human standards”

[iron halo]

Guys I'm also smart just not in the way that humans measure it (this is a joke dont attack me)

[copper flame]

this dino was my childhood

[wary panther]

compared to a human? they have a million years to go

[gaunt raven]

Dolphins and elephants are incredibly smart animals even compared to humans yes

[copper flame]

very long boi

[undone parcel]

did you see that Fred Weirhums Diplodocus may be fairly close to reality colorwise

[wary panther]

Uh no, that's a huge overstatement, You simply underestimate yourself

[copper flame]

dont we all

[light osprey]

Got be bamboozled

[gaunt raven]

No I don’t that’s a scientific fact, I’m not saying they are smarter or even as smart as us but they are very intelligent

[undone parcel]

ravens learning how stoplights work to crack nuts

[wary panther]

Not close to a human, and probably won't be unless we teach them or something

[stiff osprey]

That dolphins are smart is a fact. They just lack hands to make tools with, and live underwater so they have no fire

[gaunt raven]

They can solve complex problems, have their own language, name eachother, understand the concept of death and mourning that’s very smart

[stiff osprey]

Good luck building a calculator without hands or fire lmao

[wary panther]

Wow, I wonder what human can't do that, oh wait, we did, and did that a millions of years ago

[light osprey]

The coolest marine animals to have existed are here now?

[copper flame]

blob fish

[chilly knot]

correct

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/right-yeah-right-yeah-oh-yeah-ohh-gif-14553729619893238098

[copper flame]

I mean we had a giant cuddle fish so no

[stiff osprey]

The real question is can you argue with a dolphin? No? Well, dolphins can

[undone parcel]

humans suck apart from stamina and mild intelligence..thats why humans suck without a weapon

[copper flame]

damn that wild

[undone parcel]

and each dolphin pod has a unique dialect or something

[copper flame]

som thing

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[light osprey]

I was gonna post more whales. Let me check if they’re prehistoric enough

[copper flame]

any whale is prehistoric enough

[undone parcel]

blue whales fall under prehistoric technically...they evolved 2 million years ago

[light osprey]

Okie these guys are definitely old enough

[undone parcel]

yea i think the first orca appeared roughly around the end of Megalodon

[light osprey]

Pliocene or something

[copper flame]

what happend to tyrannus

[undone parcel]

meanwhile sharks in general are prehistoric..since they predate trees and saturns rings

[copper flame]

bro there older than TREES

[undone parcel]

yes

trees are like 300 or so million years old while sharks are roughly 400ish

[copper flame]

they lived with mushroom talks
also hear me out

[light osprey]

Some more prehistoric oceanic life

Evidently I suppose these guys make the cut for cool fellas

[copper flame]

remember when penguins where humming birds
the good ol days

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[wary panther]

Im scared 😦, of dinosaurs that is

[gaunt raven]

DINOSAURS

[wary panther]

Canon

[gaunt raven]

Love me some big ol penguins

[wary panther]

This is 100% accurate, no one can say otherwise( I see you mods, I cited the stuff)

NovahNaigahfah

[novel atlas]

I wonder if other Hadrosaurs accidentally adopted each others kids.

[gaunt raven]

How accurate is this hatz?

[woeful falcon]

Aesthetic

[hardy bloom]

Damn

[gaunt raven]

Love that

[sullen cairn]

My favorite dinosaur
The escalator

[white matrix]

Spinosaurids are so cool damn

[frail robin]

It looks correct on a first glance, but there are several problems with it. Pterosaur legs don't point downwards like bird legs do, they are splayed out. Also the palms of pterosaurs faced outwards during flight. Also it looks like the arms are too low, should be higher on the body

[round needle]

A stegamasurus rex

[rain sun]

Do we think achillo will be as big as this says. And how accurate would you guys say this is

[lapis lintel]

no

[elfin pulsar]

20 feet tall?? No not even close

[light oxide]

Yeah no -- that entire segment there that you just shown us screams "Action Bro" or whatever that is called. I think I got the term right?

20 feet tall is even taller than Quetzalcoatlus and a Giraffe, for example.

". . . a hardcore carnivore predator that is always on a hunt to find its prey."

Yeah, whatever the site you found those things on is not accurate in the slightest.

[frail robin]

The correct term is "AwesomeBro", and refers to people exaggerating traits in dinosaurs/prehistoric animals to make them seem "cooler". Examples are carnivores being mindless killers with bare teeth, large claws and spikes and unrealistic features adoring their monstrous and deformed bodies

[stray wren]

Achillobator, while being one of the largest dromaeosaurs, absolutely wasn't breaching 1000lbs Utahraptor didn't even breach that

[bright veldt]

500 kg is 1100 lbs

[stray wren]

Okay Utahraptor may have breached 1000lbs, and as such Achillobator may have as well. Personally, I doubt it as I do believe Achillobator was the smaller animal but it's not out of the realm of possiblity.

Definitely wasn't 20ft tall though, maybe like 5ish feet at the shoulder

[heady thunder]

20feet long tho, maybe

[light oxide]

Still, the quote is basically AwesomeBro vibes.

[heady thunder]

As an awesomebro myself, yeag

[light osprey]

Within booping range it seeems

[viscid surge]

Accurate enough since we have very few hatz bones

[rose thorn]

It’s doing all those things, perspective may have fooled you as it pertains to the feet. They are facing each other

[frail robin]

Yeah, I looked at it again. Perspective's really odd on this one

[chilly knot]

https://x.com/DanPalaeon1/status/1709937751456637364?s=20

Dan Folkes (@DanPalaeon1)

#Daspletosaurus "wilsoni" was originally described as an example of anagenesis - though paleontologists disagree whether or not specimen BDM 107 represents a new species, or another specimen of Daspletosaurus torosus.

Twitter · Oct 5, 2023, 2:25 PM

[light osprey]

Hey it’s wilsoni

[ocean drum]

You're joking right mind you, I've seen plokutes vids before and wow bro has no brain cells here are some examples: https://youtube.com/shorts/8HrUsSmGAdI?si=Fb_fL0EF6N2riwPV https://youtube.com/shorts/Z97TI7EXW54?si=MYjSJgTR5N-mpnbk https://youtube.com/shorts/QKOyG9nBytc?si=Uo_V6h5fR60A2C7L https://youtube.com/shorts/GZYScucytmw?si=GJw6oLUCwnlbNZw9

[light osprey]

I think they’re obsessed with Hank

[viscid surge]

Are you subtly trying to advertise plokute

[ocean brook]

Gorjirasaurus still a valid genus or no?

[compact leaf]

that question has popped up like 3 times this week already which is a weird coincidence, but no it’s not valid

[ocean drum]

Heck no I’m trying to drive y’all away from plokute

[viscid surge]

okay

[ocean brook]

Spooky lmfao

[sudden wind]

Killer whales are like 1.5 million years old.

[sudden wind]

And Balaenopterids (idk for Balaenoptera specifically) are like 20-17 million years old. Narwhals are quite recent too and so are also the other animals group you are showing.

[bronze storm]

Lmao

[white matrix]

[light osprey]

Oh yeah idk why I used Narwhals. Silly me

To be fair though, a genus doesn’t have to be that old to be prehistoric, if that’s what we want to categorise as paleo-related

[pearl briar]

dan is still dissapoint me

[wary panther]

rex

@light osprey

[clever sable]

That has way too much soft tissue and the sue display is too robust due to it's gastralia being on backwards making it too robust and by extent the sue display (the one where it's eating something that you posted) is too robust

[wary panther]

Satire response, don't take what I say seriously

[clever sable]

Ah ok, although I do hope you know the rex in Prehistoric planet Also has too much soft tissue

[wary panther]

You already said that, more than twice 🗿

anyways, this is the legit size

[clever sable]

Yeah

[wary panther]

expect those feathers... I need em gone

[iron halo]

Digital Duck rex my beloved

[wary panther]

Anyways, finding a comparison between rex and giga, cause, why not

2nd largest theropod vs largest theropod

also, the 3rd largest mega theropod, unless mapu is larger lol

[vocal breach]

Carch is larger

[wary panther]

LOL, spino can't even push top 5 💀

[vocal breach]

Spino is around 7 tons, I think carch can push 8

[wary panther]

Any estimates for carch tho? need proof for that

Grabbing dan's skeletals for spinosaurus v giganotosaurus vs Tyrannosaurus since someone said Spinosaurus was taller then both

[vocal breach]

Carch skeletal, can’t find any estimates

[wary panther]

Looks good enough

[vocal breach]

I’d ask anybody smarter than me ngl, maybe Scanova or Fred

Also bro what are those gifs I saw what you deleted

[wary panther]

Alr, you didn't see a thing

[vocal breach]

I’m pretty sure it was 8.2 tons to be exact

[wary panther]

Idk man, Im going to need estimates

[vocal breach]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/542776901442338816/1137982867926953984/Picsart_23-07-03_17-56-07-243.jpg?ex=652ccc22&is=651a5722&hm=a8b782f9df61437b95f478884da7638a618d2fb8350e551fa14d39769c0be4c3& here

[wary panther]

IDK MAN, but I'll take it

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-is-that-so-almost-gif-17325323

Mkay

[wary panther]

Hope the mods don't come 😱

[clever sable]

Technically that may not be spino, it has no overlapping material

[wary panther]

Spino has teeth, good enough for me 😎

[vocal breach]

I think the list for top 5 biggest therapies goes something along the lines of

1. Rex
2. Giga
3. Mapu
4. Carch/Spino
   Idk what to put in 5th

[clever sable]

There is a private estimate that puts carch at ~8 tonnes

[vocal breach]

YAY

[clever sable]

Deinocheirus is larger than mapu

[vocal breach]

I forgot about duck thx

[wary panther]

There is a private estimation which puts spinosaurus at 0 tons, it called the extinction estimate, and a paleontolgist named carchardonotosaurus had something to do with it

[light osprey]

Largest theropod is me

[vocal breach]

I think the list for top 5 biggest therapods goes something along the lines of

1. Rex
2. Giga
3. Duck
4. Carch/Spino
5. Mapu

[light osprey]

Huh? They are contemporaries what are waffling about

[clever sable]

Carch and spino are larger than mapu as well and deinocheirus is the third largest

[vocal breach]

Wait rlly? How big is mapu then?

[wary panther]

I can imagine all the carchardonotosaurus hunting spinosaurus went it was forced to go on land

[vocal breach]

Fixed

[wary panther]

Fred is typing a whole essay 💀

[clever sable]

Mapu is 6900-7900 KG deinocheirus is 8.4 and carch is ~8 and the largest specimen we know for a fact is spino is about 7000 KG iirc

[clever sable]

Nah, just making sure I got the right numbers

[vocal breach]

Rex and Giga are about tied rn, right?

[wary panther]

no

[clever sable]

Giga is 10.1 tonnes rex is 10.4 tonnes

[vocal breach]

Ah, giga got downsized from Dan’s blog post

[wary panther]

the downgrade is real

[clever sable]

Yeah a little bit

[wary panther]

I wouldn't call 300 pounds a little bit, I'd say a bit

[vocal breach]

600 pounds

[wary panther]

Oh.....

[clever sable]

That's 661 pounds

[vocal breach]

Also gojirasaurus solos even though it’s invalid now

[wary panther]

never even capped 7 tons 💀 what is blud babbling about

[vocal breach]

Or so I heard

[vocal breach]

It don’t matter it’s fokin gojirasaurus

[wary panther]

kingkongosaurus negs

[vocal breach]

Also I can’t wait for new Utahraptor material to be found

[wary panther]

Also Rip Dakota raptor, will not be missed LOL

[clever sable]

I can't wait for more sarcosuchus material to be found

[wary panther]

Can't wait for more oxaila material to be found, oh, wait.........

[vocal breach]

I can’t wait for new Giga material

I can’t wait for new maip material

[wary panther]

Let me guess, 11 tons from a tooth estimate?

[vocal breach]

We do a little something called trolling

[wary panther]

a unreliable whole jaw fragment > Well backed up studies over the course of years studying and analyzing theropod body mass.

[bright veldt]

I've compiled the largest theropods before, let me grab it

1. Tyrannosaurus (12m, 10 tons)
2. Giganotosaurus (13m, 9 tons)
3. Deinocheirus (12m, 8.5 tons)
4. Mapusaurus (13m, 8 tons)
   5+6. Spinosaurus (14m, 7.5 tons), Tyrannotitan (12m, 7.5 tons)
5. Carcharodontosaurus (12m, 7 tons)
   8, 9, 10, + 11. Acrocanthosaurus (12m, 5.5 tons), Suchomimus (12m, 5.5 tons), Therizinosaurus (11m, 5.5 tons), Tarbosaurus (11m, 5.5 tons

Keep in mind Carchar is probably larger than I put it here given what I've heard, but nothing official has really been put out on it yet

[vocal breach]

I’ve heard of 8.2 ton estimates for Carch

[bright veldt]

Same, but again, nothing but heresay yet

[wary panther]

who would have guessed t.rex is first?

[clever sable]

That is currently private

[vocal breach]

Oof

[vocal breach]

Literally everyone

[wary panther]

Damn, crazy what times we live in, remeber when spino was at top?

[vocal breach]

20 tons 💀

[clever sable]

Spino was a very rare case in which a lost fossil was considered valid due to incredibly detailed sketches and lots of photos

[wary panther]

even rex can't pull the estimates 💀(regardless how inaccruate)

But the fact is, a spinosaurus built similar to a rex would have been heavier

[vocal breach]

If spinosaurus was built similar to Rex it wouldn’t be Spino anymore

[wary panther]

it would be Spinosaurus Maximums

[elfin pulsar]

How would a spino ever be built similar to rex

[vocal breach]

Trolling

[chilly knot]

hahaha saurophaganax

[wary panther]

Ask 2001, they had good ideas B)

[elfin pulsar]

I see

[bright veldt]

There's nothing really like T.rex in that regard. It's how you get trex being nearly double the size of tarbo despite being only a meter longer. Like it's absurd. Tyrannosaurs are already heavily built for larger theropods and then you get trex being a tier above them in that regard AGAIN.

[vocal breach]

T. Rex is Moto Moto

[wary panther]

If I had a nickel everytime rex got a buff, I would be rich

Tyrannosaurus Rex > a whole lineage filled with Allosauridae

[clever sable]

Tyrannosaurus looks skinny compared to stego

[bright veldt]

The downside of that is even sauropods are faster than you

[vocal breach]

Also I got an interesting question, what dinosaurs from other time periods/places would be able to live in the hell creek formation and not F up the environment/food chain significantly

[light osprey]

Still not built similar. Or in said regard as Scanova mentioned

[wary panther]

Uh, no large theropods, and maybe a few herbs if you get lucky

[bright veldt]

We really wouldn't be able to determine that tbf

[wary panther]

Only way I see any large theropod surviving, is simply being on the other side of N.A without many tyrannosaurus

[light osprey]

Soroavisaurus. Competition for Avisaurus

[bright veldt]

I remember when a friend of mine pointed out tarbo and tyrannosaurus were animated with different gaits and I couldn't unsee it. Compared to how tarbo walks in PhP the t.rex is very lumbering.

[vocal breach]

I mean Rex is a big boy

[wary panther]

Well yeah, its a big bear compared to its kin

[vocal breach]

It’s like comparing modern black bears to a cave bear or smth

[light oxide]

The kodiak bear compared to the black bear. XD

[light osprey]

And maybe some other enantiornitheans would do absolutely nothing to the balance of the Hell Creek

[wary panther]

Rex didn't have time to evolve and become a copy and paste of tyrannosaurids, it needed to get that muscle up 🗣️

[vocal breach]

Rex was on a bulk it’s entire existence

[elfin pulsar]

Rex chose to get its money up not it’s funny up

[clever sable]

Juvenile rexes are like super skinny

[wary panther]

Its kin were to busy trying to become slimmer and not bigger, even tarbosaurus is only 5 tons

[bright veldt]

5 tons is quite average for a theropod of that size so I wouldn't call it getting skinnier

[vocal breach]

Also do y’all think any other megatheropods would be able to survive in place of T. Rex in hell creek?

[wary panther]

5 > 8

[vocal breach]

As in they replace T. rex in the environment

[light osprey]

Maybe some speculative marine biota, where you could include Polycotylids, Elasmosaurines, and Protostegids. Doesn’t pertain to to most of the Hell Creek though

[clever sable]

There is a very large zhuchengtyrannus specimen that is currently undescribed iirc, it may be as large as she but is likely smaller than Sue but it's probably still larger than a Tarbo and the zhuch holotype

[wary panther]

That's a big boy, but I don't know if its anatomy will allow it to come close to Rex though

[light osprey]

Certainly no room for contemporary megatheropods in the Hell Creek though

[wary panther]

No prey to hunt

[bright veldt]

Zhucheng is a mess rn. It's size varies a lot depending on what material you look at and if you consider it to be built more like tarbo or trex

[clever sable]

Tbf we don't really know much about it's anatomy, all we know is that it's vertebrae are roughly the same size if not larger than sues

[bright veldt]

Estimates have ranged from 8 meters and 3 tons to larger than tarbo

[light osprey]

Or maybe some isolated populations of Albertosaurus. They’d seem to be limited to Alberta though. Hypothetically if they did continue they’d be extremely limited at the end of the Maastrichtian

[vocal breach]

I’m trying to say if T.Rex were suddenly replaced by a population of a different megatherapod, which one would be most likely to thrive

[wary panther]

None, they can't

[bright veldt]

Then there's also the various undescribed large tyrannosaurini from NA

[vocal breach]

Im not askin If they could, im just asking which one has the highest chance of thriving

[wary panther]

Take any large mega theropod from any formation, and they struggle to kill edmontosaurus, let alone a whole trike

[light osprey]

Ohhh. Idk

[bright veldt]

Eh tarbosaurus lived in a world where trying to hunt any of its large herbivores sucked, I think it'd be fine

[wary panther]

A tyrannosaur replacing a tyrannosaur? Damn, where have I not seen that?

[bright veldt]

You got various sauropods and hadrosaurs significantly larger than you ontop of theri, deinocheirus, and the various ankylosaurs

[vocal breach]

Was it tarbo or zucheng that coexisted with shant? Either way they’d probably be better off than some other therapods

[bright veldt]

Zhucheng coexisted with shant

[clever sable]

All I know about Tarbo is that the thin skull may be a reconstruction error

[bright veldt]

It is yeah

[wary panther]

Whether it could hunt them or not is the problem, Hell Creek is difficulty

[bright veldt]

It was thinner than tyrannosaurus but it wasn't a significant difference

[light osprey]

Oh what a beautiful still I found

[clever sable]

I wonder if zhuch would be able to hunt an adult Shantungosaurus

(Probably not)

[wary panther]

Tarbosaurus would also just simply evolve to be similar to Tyrannosaurus Rex anyways, hunting the bulky mega fauna takes bulky of your own

[light oxide]

Tbf, that's what some of the Asian tyrannosaur ancestor of Tyrannosaurus and Tarbosaurus did when they crossed from Asia to North America and probably outcompeted the Albertosaurs and Daspletosaurus. Of course, other things contribute, like a changing environment and whatnot.

[wary panther]

Oh hell no, it would get stomped hard

[vocal breach]

By itself, absolutely not, shant is nearly 3x its weight iirc

[light osprey]

So… Tyrannosaurus would replace Tyrannosaurus in Laramidia 😐

[wary panther]

Exactly B)

[bright veldt]

There's nothing really backing this up, especially with the SVP abstract released the other day that states a tyrannosaurus sized tyrannosaurini was coexisting in the Campanian alongside them

[sullen cairn]

mcranesis was in southern laramidia

[vocal breach]

So basically what I’m getting is that carcharodontosaurids would be mostly screwed if they ended up in hell creek, even if Rex wasn’t there

[bright veldt]

Eh

[wary panther]

Well, not really but yeah I guess

[chilly knot]

its morbincraensis time

[sullen cairn]

i mean most theropods over like 4t would be able to eat least subsist on hadrosaurs fairly easily

[wary panther]

Nope, Hadrosaurus neg your favorite theropod mid diff

[vocal breach]

I could imagine giga, mapu, and carch holding their own for a bit

[bright veldt]

The adaptations required for such massive sizes means that a lot of them get generally similar at such sizes. Carcharodontosaurs are still giant megatheropods with tiny arms, giant jaws, and massive bite forces

[sullen cairn]

the 5t edmontosaurus on its way to kill a 7t allosauroid

[vocal breach]

As in maintaining the population

[wary panther]

8 ton edmontosaurus stomping the hell out of a fraudsauroid

[sullen cairn]

kid named averages

[bright veldt]

I doubt they'd have a problem with the hadrosaurs. Triceratops and the ankylosaurs might've had more difficulty tho

[light osprey]

Lot of waffling in here it seems today

[wary panther]

What do they do after they can't sustain themselves on hadrosaurus anymore?

[sullen cairn]

literally ever big carch outsizes an average edmontosaurus

[light osprey]

Eat more Hadrosaurs

[bright veldt]

I said more difficulty, I doubt triceratops and ankylosaurs would've been unsuitable prey

[vocal breach]

I mean if Trike has a ~70% WR against Rex or smth like that giga would be in a very bad position to fight trike

[wary panther]

Every Big edmontosaurus outclasses carch

[bright veldt]

I highly doubt Triceratops was as successful at defending itself as what is typically perceived in media

[light osprey]

They most definitely had variable diets, Tyrannosaurus didn’t just a single species of animal in Northern Laramidia

[wary panther]

Yeah, I mean Rex did evolve millions of years along side it, its not going to die easy

[vocal breach]

Average edmont is 5 tons, an 8 ton edmont would be a very rare specimen.

[light oxide]

With the armor Triceratops and Ankylosaurus have, I doubt the Carcharadontosaurids would've been able to take them down without major difficulty, though some cases are still possible where success is met.

[sullen cairn]

hardly any edmontosaurus got that big its fairly irrelevant in any discussion about general ecology

[wary panther]

😦

[clever sable]

I mean, due to territorial disputes rarely ending in death and only occasionally in a serious fight I wouldn't doubt that something like giganotosaurus would be able to intimidate or fight off or possibly even kill rex

[wary panther]

Alright, have fun trying to take down a 9 ton trike though, I'll watch

[bright veldt]

Predators have to kill prey regularly in order to stay alive. That's a suitable kill once a week or so. If going up against a triceratops meant even a 50% chance of death then that wouldn't be sustainable. And we KNOW tyrannosaurus hunted and ate triceratops regularly given pathological evidence and the fact that tyrannosaurus had a whole process to processing triceratops carcasses, which they wouldn't have formed if they weren't being eaten regularly.

[vocal breach]

Also Rex completely outclasses giga with its weapons

[wary panther]

Rex would probably start the fight, it was the more aggressive species

[light osprey]

Hehe look, Laramidia

[clever sable]

Bro we literally cannot know which is more aggressive

[wary panther]

Uhh, yes we can, t.rex was a very aggressive creature

[clever sable]

That doesn't mean giga is a pushover, think of it like a polar bear VS a grizzly bear

[bright veldt]

Evidence? Predator doesn't always equal aggressive.

[light osprey]

Chat is getting wild

[wary panther]

I'm referring to the face biting and nothing more, you guys chillax

[clever sable]

No..... we literally cannot determine this, like it's actually impossible to determine if something was super aggressive

[bright veldt]

Allosauroids in general show evidence for face biting as well. It's not unique to tyrannosaurs.

[light oxide]

Tbf, Tyrannosaurus also had massive jaws and the bulk to pierce the armor of Ankylosaurus and Triceratops. Hence why we get Tyrannosaurus that preferred to eat Hadrosaurs and Triceratops . . . And that one individual that has a specific fondness for Ankylosaurus flesh.

[wary panther]

Tyrannosaurus have a higher rate of face biting, even if we wanted to use peservation bias thats a lot of fighting in tyrannosaurs.

[pearl briar]

do you guys has evidence that says giga got downsized onto 10.1 tonnes???

[bright veldt]

Is that because they did it more or just because we have better remains? Keep in mind we only have 1 good giganotosaurus specimen

[vocal breach]

A lot of large therapods have evidence for interspecies combat, just because we have more evidence for fighting in one species doesn’t mean another is less aggressive

[wary panther]

Check Dan's discord

[vocal breach]

Wait he has a discord I need it send it to me in DM’s

[light osprey]

I think that was an isotope study for a Tarbosaurus tooth, not T. rex or maybe those reports were sus to begin with I can’t remember

[cloud dagger]

Face biting could indicate fightning during breeding season when almost all animals show aggression

[clever sable]

We also have a ton of tyrannosaurus specimens so obviously there is gonna be more evidence, the most complete large carcharadontosaurid only has like 5 specimens compared to the over 30 rex has

[pearl briar]

me too @wary panther

[bright veldt]

We don't have an isotopic study of tyrannosaurus (surprisingly). We do for tarbosaurus tho, which showed a preference for hadrosaurs and sauropods (along with that one individual that really liked ankylosaurs for some reason).

[light osprey]

Doesn’t have any pertinence to the viability of Ankylosaurian being a function of the prey selection, with a lovely little Tarchia skull showing signs of Tarbosaurus inflicted damage.

[wary panther]

Again, had we not had so many face biting specimens then maybe we could argue it wasn't an aggressive creature towards it own species. but we have 30 rexes, and they don't seem to get along with each other

Hell, was it stan that had a broken neck?

[bright veldt]

How is this unique to tyrannosaurs in particular though? We see it plenty in other theropod groups too (even velociraptor has evidence for it lol).

[clever sable]

We have 2 carch specimens and one of them shows evidence of face biting

(Wait I think we have 3)

[wary panther]

thats 1 out of 2 💀 rex has a higher ration even if we used the same amount of specimens

[bright veldt]

That's just preservation bias my guy

[light osprey]

And iirc the paper on Borealopelta associated is apparent countershading with predation as well, so Ankylosaurian hunting isn’t even correlated with the presence of derived Tyrannosaurids

[wary panther]

I, just said, that, but you didn't read it

[clever sable]

No..... like....... over 50% of rexes do not have face biting evidence

[vocal breach]

Ples send me a link to Dan Folkes’ discord server I need it

[bright veldt]

I did, you can't just compare 2 vs 30 in terms of porportion and say a pair is a fair sample size

[wary panther]

I, actually have no clue where that is

[light osprey]

50% of tyrannosaurus’ fossils with cranial pathologies would be quite the revelation

[bright veldt]

The fact that even 1 of those 2 has face biting says a lot

[light osprey]

1 fossil is all we need 😎

[vocal breach]

Now I’m sad

[wary panther]

I already mentioned preservation bias, again if we lowered the rex specimens to the amount of carchardonotsaur specimens, we still get a higher ratio in Rex face biting.

[chilly knot]

bruh

[light osprey]

Ever wonder just how far some animal biogeographical ranges extended in the maastrichtian? 🤔

[wary panther]

miles

[clever sable]

I don't think you understand how this works......

[bright veldt]

No? That's not how that works. The fact that we barely have any carchar specimens, and they STILL have pathologies for face biting, suggests it was something the species did a lot. I have no idea how you'd try and argue for the opposite with said evidence.

[light osprey]

Like, with some of that affiliated Quetzalcoatlus material in Morocco, and the same scant but present evidence of Arambourgiania in the U.S. The ancient world is full of possibilities.

[clever sable]

50% of the carch specimens show evidence of face biting compared to the significantly lower amount from rex

[bright veldt]

Not to mention trying to argue that one species was less aggressive than another based on such things is arbitrary as hell. Keep in mind that a lot of these tyrannosaurs were social animals as well, meaning that such conflicts probably didn't come down to just 1 thing, and as such idk how it'd be a measure of aggression.

[wary panther]

Alright I concede, not trying to argue any more that is

[light osprey]

Certainly with those not so fossiliferous areas of the world as well. British Columbia and such could’ve been really interesting during the Lancian stage

I think we’ve already had a new Leptoceratopsid not too long ago from there

[chilly knot]

measuring aggression in extinct theropods is entirely pointless

[wary panther]

We sure can measure it in humans

[clever sable]

Humans aren't extinct so we can actually effectively study their behavior without having to make random assumptions based on. Very limited number of specimens

[light osprey]

It’s joever for you

[wary panther]

Its gojoever for you

[clever sable]

It's not my fault your arguments go against science and logic 💀

[wary panther]

Pulled a "50% of the carch specimens show evidence of face biting compared to the significantly lower amount from rex" without a source but no more arguments

[chilly knot]

the industrialization and its consequences.

[wary panther]

Which one? And for which country?

[clever sable]

We have 2 carch specimens, 1 shows evidence of face biting, that's 50% less than 50% of rex specimens show evidence of face biting

Also bro you literally said the large palaeoloxodon femur isn't actually palaeoloxodon

[covert lintel]

ah, had a feeling i'd seen this guy before. that explains it 💀

[wary panther]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, regardless of my other "outdated ideas" on other animals, That still isn't a source 💀

[light osprey]

Oh it’s the same fella?

[wary panther]

yeah its the same fella 😦

[light osprey]

I’m bamboozled. Baffled even

[wary panther]

Still waiting for that source fred, we really could have gotten lucky with that Carchardontosaurus specimen

[clever sable]

WDYM a "source" like bro it's really just common knowledge carch has evidence of face biting in 50% of the specimens

[wary panther]

"The only specimens" If you want to argue about a preservation bias, we simply still have 1 face biting specimen, half of 2 doesn't beat majority of 30 💀

Fred those are rex skeletons, show me the carchar

[clever sable]

The majority of rex specimens do not show evidence of face biting though

[clever sable]

Bro those are literally carch, look at the teeth

[chilly knot]

uh those are tyrannosaurs

[wary panther]

Yeah they are

[clever sable]

Those teeth don't look very tyrannosaury

[wary panther]

Do not let bro cook 💀

[light osprey]

Chat is feeling outrageous today.

[chilly knot]

and the skull shape looks even less carcharodontosaury

[wary panther]

My man can't tell the tyrannosaur tooth is clearly there

[woeful falcon]

Nevermind the teeth what about the skull

[clever sable]

Well here is a diagram of face biting marks on carch skulls

[wary panther]

Blud did not show evidence 💀

[chilly knot]

thats sinraptor

[wary panther]

Who let blub cook?

[elfin pulsar]

blub

[woeful falcon]

I can cook 😟

[light osprey]

Haha blub can’t cook

[woeful falcon]

You're getting closer tho that is an allosauroid

[clever sable]

Why can't I find anything 😭

Google isn't a very reliable source smh, I know there is a picture somewhere on here but I'm not scrolling through hundreds of images to find it, well actually I guess I will since Google appears not to be very reliable

[woeful falcon]

There'a your mistake

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-starring-then-closing-his-eyes-oppenheimer-oppenheimer-movie-j-robert-oppenheimer-robert-oppenheimer-gif-11256978878629275100

[wary panther]

Blub is getting clowned

[clever sable]

Well here is carches skull and as you can see it has bite marks on it

[woeful falcon]

That's meraxes, but even closer

[wary panther]

Bro still did not provide evidence 💀

[light oxide]

Ah, my apologies -- I remember there being an isotopic study of the diets, I guess I just assumed it was for Tyrannosaurus.

Though, I highly doubt that Tyrannosaurus would've been any different, other than replacing the sauropod part with ceratopsian.

[light osprey]

Here is a specimen no idea if it pertains to your elusive Carcharodontosaurus skull

[wary panther]

My man actually made me win the argument fr, and he lost to the guy who believed paleox wasn't real 💀

[woeful falcon]

I don't trust anything in this chat rn

[light osprey]

Me neither

[chilly knot]

[wary panther]

Bro is beating himself up rn

[clever sable]

Wtf......... well that doesn't really matter tbh because the point was that carches did face biting and since our only meraxes has evidence of it then 100% of meraxes have evidence of it

[woeful falcon]

You know what this has taught me tho, we could all use a lil practice in identifying our animals

[wary panther]

No evidence, 100 percent confidence 🗣️

[light osprey]

Fred defeated himself lol. But yeah I think the maxilla I posted is indeed the one you’re looking for. Pray I don’t Fred myself.

[light oxide]

Yeah . . .

[wary panther]

Let it be known I beat fred in an argument with nothing but my wits, bro got smacked down just by talking to me, Skill issue fr

[clever sable]

Bro the evidence is literally in front of you, a mapu skull with evidence of face biting is right in front of you and since that's the only mapu specimen 100% of our mapu specimens have evidence of it

[woeful falcon]

I can see mistaking sinraptor for a carcharodontosaurid tho. I had a double take wondering if it was sin or some weird carch I wasn't familiar with but lamb clarified it

[light osprey]

I won the argument for him. Couldn’t bear to watch it further

[wary panther]

Mapu does not equal carchar, who let bro cook again

[clever sable]

Also pronto provided evidence of it

[light oxide]

ANYWAYS, is anyone wanting to talk about the new discovery of Diplodocus being ginger in color and the implications it has for other sauropods?

[woeful falcon]

Potentially being ginger or yellow colored

And idk if we know the extent of said coloration

[wary panther]

Fred, where is that carchar specimen you were talking about? remeber Mapu and Carchar are still 2 seprate animals, either that or you made up a source fr

[light osprey]

It implies that sauropods have scales. Very surprised 😮

[clever sable]

You never said carch specifically originally, what you originally said is tyrannosaurs are more aggressive than carcharadontosaurids because tyrannosaurs have evidence of face biting

[light oxide]

I was mainly talking about the purpose of said color -- whether it is for camouflage and whatnot.

[wary panther]

NUH UH, I SAID CARCHARDONOTSAURS AND GIGANOTOSAURUS, who let bro cook and burn the whole house down again

[elfin pulsar]

Bro is cooking with the stove off

[clever sable]

This is carch...........

[wary panther]

Blud is finished 💀 had to use other carcharadontosaurids to stand a chance against my might, your right, I should just take the w

[woeful falcon]

Lets not hype yourself up too much

[wary panther]

Yeah you're right, Fred embarrassed himself enough thinking that a rex was a Carchardontosaurus

[clever sable]

Tbf you literally never specified carch, scanova is the one who brought up carch having evidence of face biting

[deft sigil]

@wary pantherPlease remain polite and respectful towards other members. Refer to our #rules

[light osprey]

I say time out for the sillies

[wary panther]

I was talking about carch, I didn't say it out right but in no way was I referring to anything else, but hey, what ever gets you to sleep

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/swfc-sheffield-wednesday-gif-12067040

[clever sable]

Yeah that was pretty bad when I mixed up dasp with carch

But we have evidence of face biting in carch and meraxes

[compact leaf]

a shocking revelation

[woeful falcon]

Oreos are the perfect cookie I swear

You know that cool thing about the diplo coloration is the implication not only for it but other sauropods

[wary panther]

DASP? nah way bruh, I concede, I don't want to aruge no more 💀

[clever sable]

Bro you weren't even the one who brought up carch, my original statement was actually about giga

[compact leaf]

the implication that we have a shot at identifying some sauropod colors if we find more scales is a beautiful thing

[light osprey]

Personally I think the chocolate chip cookie is more balanced.

What sort of implications might I ask

[wary panther]

1, don't want to argue, and 2, find evidence fred, then we will talk

[clever sable]

Ah yes, because all your takes are good, it's not like you said the palaeoloxodon femur wasn't from palaeoloxodon and that palaeoloxodon might not be an elephant

[woeful falcon]

Fred my homie you know when you get involved with an argument and it gets perpetual and strays, we at that point boss let's shift gears

[wary panther]

Guess we are even now, truce?

[clever sable]

I posted evidence of meraxes (a close relative of giga( having evidence of face biting and chonk posted evidence of carch having face biting

[light oxide]

Determining how sauropod colors may have been factored by, whether for complete camouflage, intimidation, etc., in my opinion at least.

[compact leaf]

the implication is basically that sauropods may hav had a much more vibrant range of colors than the largest mammals today (those colors could still be somewhat muted but still), it’s not a huge revelation it’s just cool to have some confirmation

[light osprey]

Rad

[wary panther]

Fred I just called a truce, 2 don't find me images of Carchardontosaurus realtives and call it evidence when I never mentioned them

[clever sable]

Bro the thing chonk posted is carcharadontosaurus

[wary panther]

Chonk?

[light osprey]

Big ungulates can be kind of fun coloured too i think. All I can think of is Giraffidae tho

[clever sable]

Oh, he's called pronto here, chonk is his name on a different server

[compact leaf]

giraffes are the big one for fun coloration yeah

[wary panther]

Was that an actual Carchardontosaurus image?, alr guess he won it for you

[wary panther]

Wait, where was the bite mark on the carchar? I cant see it

[chilly knot]

then just look it up

[wary panther]

I did, I found nothing, WOAH WOAH, IT SAID MF CHILL MODS

[stiff osprey]

what's circled is the maxillary fenestra, all theropods have that

[bright veldt]

Im gunna scream

[stiff osprey]

I've never heard of the saharicus maxilla having bitemarks, so I can't say that it's right, but i can't say that it's wrong either

[light oxide]

Even famous people can be wrong, Tyrannus.

._.

[stiff osprey]

I know Acrocanthosaurus got the [censored] bitten out of it by a croc (and survived), and Sinraptor got the [censored] bitten out of it by another theropod (and didn't survive), and a bunch of Allosaurus specimens have broken or injured jaws. that's about it for allosauroids

[light oxide]

I think I can guess what the [CENSORED] thing is.

[wary panther]

And you dare doubt Randomdinos, crazy

[stiff osprey]

I'm just, like, some guy. A random guy even

as for the [censored] I keep forgetting the censorship here and my comments get deleted

[light oxide]

Noted.

Oh, and don't forget about the thagomizer that went through an Allosaurus's [CENSORED].

[iron halo]

Anyway uh what is balaur

[light oxide]

A prehistoric herbivorous/omnivorous bird, last I heard.

[iron halo]

Doesn’t it change every paper

[light oxide]

Dunno -- I never bothered looking at Balaur and its history. 🤷

[woeful falcon]

Anyway, prehistory

[covert lintel]

probably a basal bird (meaning an avialan), although some papers apparently still place it as a weird dromaeosaur so. ? unclear?

[light osprey]

I’ve returned, the neotype has all the pathological stuff, not the paratype. At least a think it’s the paratype, holotype pics look like different material

[light oxide]

Hmm, how many Camptosaurus specimens do we have?

[light osprey]

Trust in birb ☺️

[compact leaf]

balaur gets placed all over, at one point someone even threw it in with the unenlagines, right now it’s kind of a split between basal avialan and really weird dromaeosaur

Naish and a few others had a paper recently that basically amounted too “we can’t rule out dromaeosaur but it’s less likely than avialan”

[light osprey]

Speaking of birds, what should I make of these possible Maastrichtian NA Procellariiformes.

[pearl briar]

who even named balaur "balaur"
like... it's just a copy paste of the name of that romanian dragon
there's no creativity on it

y'know what...
nvm... don't even think abt it

[covert lintel]

this guy hasn't even heard of the location-saurus gang

[light osprey]

Those are my favs

[gaunt raven]

Albertosaurus is the king of that gang

[lavish frigate]

Balaur is a better name then 98.999% of all dinosaur names change my mind

[lavish frigate]

Balaur is a bird for the sole reason that I like saying it’s my favorite bird

[covert lintel]

any dinosaur can be a bird if you stretch the definition enough

[lavish frigate]

Let’s goooooooooooooooooo Halszkaraptor is a loon after all!

[pearl briar]

cough cough
sauroniops
cough cough

[steady rock]

you think dinosaurs would appear fat but secretly be all muscle?

[warped spindle]

Isn't the Prehistoric Planet Trex based on this concept?

[steady rock]

is it?

[pearl briar]

maybe?
idk
i mean we have rex iirc
chonk in the outside, muscular in the inside

[vocal breach]

Large crocodiles look fat but they are all muscle

[warped spindle]

I mean he's chonky but it can't be all fat it has to be bulk of some kind

[white matrix]

U can ws with a trophy still right

[steady rock]

this is paleo chat

[vocal breach]

I wouldn’t see why not

[small panther]

some dinosaurs for sure

[woeful falcon]

I wouldn't use a hippo to convey this but, I suppose it would be possible for some dinosaurs to look deceptively bulbous but are actually quite muscular

[white matrix]

Insert that one Spino meme here

[peak jetty]

Lmao scrolling up this channel and seeing someone use the phrase "Rex winrate" unironically 💀

[alpine island]

Wait someone actually said that 😭

[peak jetty]

Careful not to discuss too much actual paleontology here, wouldn't want to interrupt the awesomebros conjuring absurd hypotheticals to justify getting to say "t.rex wins" just one more time.

[white matrix]

I love Rex but even I know it ain't invincible, a Trike would absolutely demolish a Rex if given the chance

[viscid surge]

Rex wins against twenty camptos 🙏

[white matrix]

When did Trike even come to be used as a nickname for Triceratops anyhow?

[viscid surge]

Idk but it’s better than anything else it could be right?

[sudden wind]

Me when we have more evidences of regular T.rex predation over Triceratops than on other HC taxon.

I think people mostly try to depict it as a brutal fight where the 2 are clashing, with each one facing each others, or either Rex being incapable of going against a Trike on face to face (even though we have evidences they did it).
The better option always is an ambush on the pelvic area, but we know that some Rexes indeed have going to the front, likely aiming the neck. Some were successful and some were not.

Picture one : Tyrannosaurus bite marks, shown by the red arrows, on a Triceratops illium.
Picture two : Tyrannosaurus bite marks on two different Triceratops specimens, both on the frill.
Picture three : snapped Triceratops horn. Yellow arrows are pointing to tooth marks left by Tyrannosaurus.
Picture four and five : recent abstract about again Tyrannosaurus bite marks on a Triceratops frill.

Let's also not forget that the average Triceratops is very far from the 9 tons everyone is running with. We have hundreds, if not thousands, of specimen and the average size would be about 5 to 6 tons, which is quite smaller than average Tyrannosaurus with its 8 tons.
I do not mean to discredit Triceratops, nor place it as a "Rex fooder". I only mean that Tyrannosaurus would have regularly hunted Triceratops: it would not have been an occasional prey item and these predators were well equipped to face these preys.

[viscid surge]

I’ve been watching this debate for a while now but I think this is the best crafted argument I’ve seen on the subject

[peak jetty]

Satler refers to the sick triceratops as a trike in the first Jurassic Park, so at least since 91 it's been in use, and probably earlier.

[ruby patio]

How do we know that this wasn't Tyrannosaurus scavenging over a Triceratops carcass

[cloud dagger]

I think bite marks on the head indicates hunting because the head isn’t very meaty, other parts could be of scavenging too

[alpine island]

If Tyrannosaurus had a consistent way of feasting on a trike which is strongly supported by Triceratops pathologies, then more likely than not it indicates that rex would’ve hunted Triceratops regularly enough to understand how to more efficiently eat it

[bright veldt]

There's also the simple fact that with the amount of triceratops in Hell Creek something had to be eating them.

Triceratopsines in general were probably much more hardwired for physical defense than other ceratopsids, but they still were regularly predated.

[ruby patio]

The paper which mentions bite marks on the frills also mentions that the marks match the distortion caused by a Tyrannosaurus feeding on a carcass

[alpine island]

Individual hunting behaviors may lead towards rex hunting either trike, edmont, or even ankylo’s more frequently than other taxa (like the Tarchia specimen with bite marks from Tarbosaurus) but as a whole Triceratops was predated on frequently enough that your average Tyrannosaurus was pretty likely to have developed a specific way of eating one

[ruby patio]

I'm not discounting that Tyrannosaurus hunted Triceratops, however from modern animal feeding behaviour I would assume(?) that it hunted it less than a hadrosaur like Edmontosaurus purely because Edmontosaurus is smaller and lacks horns

Somewhat similar to how modern lions seldom hunt buffalo

[bright veldt]

Edmontos and trikes were about the same size generally. The largest edmontos were the largest things in the formation.

[ruby patio]

I thought those were not confirmed to be pathologies and could have been something else?

[alpine island]

I don’t doubt that a rex would’ve preferred hunting an obviously less armored herbivore, but I think it’d be more willing to take on a trike than a 10+ ton superadult Edmonto

The average specimens I think simply comes down to whichever was more abundant and more frequently encountered between the two

[bright veldt]

A lot of the pathologies found on trikes are pretty shut cases. Edmonto is a bit debatable in some circumstances. A lot of hadrosaurs get injured tails from high-stress movement and environmental damage rather than predators.

[ruby patio]

I was talking about the pathologies on Edmontosaurus

From what I remember Becky's Giant may have been a Saurolophine as some traits present which were attributed to pathology may not have been

Also from what I remember the largest cranial fragments (?) were quite fragmentary in themselves so I would assume the super-adult Edmontosauruses are on thin ice

[cloud dagger]

Interrsting

[bright veldt]

Keep in mind that the paper proposing that new giant hadrosaur also state that said differences from typical edmonto might just come from aging. We don't have a lot of giant edmontosaurus so it's not exactly clear what they might look like compared to typical edmontos as they get older.

[nocturne gazelle]

Probably has something to do with trikes being 3 wheeled bikes and triceratops being a 3 horned ceratopsian.

Then again we call spino, spoon... who knows where that came from.

[sudden wind]

Some healed.

[sudden wind]

Swimbo is a better nickname

[sudden wind]

Me when an argument is supported by the literature :

[snow python]

What is the most up to date bite force estimation for Sarcosuchus?

[stiff osprey]

None have been made

It would have to be higher than the largest modern crocodiles (>26 kN) but lower than Purussaurus (69 kN)

[nimble blade]

I think it came from Ark

[river vigil]

True

[tiny holly]

Trike has been a nickname for triceratops for a while actually, I think thanks to JP influence

the oldest I can find is this toy from 1997/98 that referred to it as Trike

[nimble blade]

oh, that's interesting

[tiny holly]

Its been long enough since I watched the movies that I can't remember if they call them trike at all in any of them, though at the very least i dont think they do in the original. Maybe in TLW since this is what that toy is promo for

[light osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/crowd-cheering-crowd-cheer-woo-hoo-yes-gif-27002137

Glad the “awesome-bros” in the paleo-chat can unite to explain how an ecosystem works.

[peak jetty]

I'm confused, what exactly does that guy's breakdown of trike pathologies have to do with what I said about chuds trying to gameify animals like they're in a fight club?

[white matrix]

wheres the evidence of meraxes face biting

[nocturne cairn]

Pretty sure it's called trike at least once in the original. Name came from the franchise eitherway and just stuck around

[rose thorn]

Ellie calls it trike in the first movie

[peak jetty]

#paleontology message

[rose thorn]

This same sorta thinking is what spawned the theory of Barsboldia being an exceptional Saurolophus specimen, with the more exaggerated sacral spines being a symptom of age. However, none of the saurolophus we have have spines as long as they are younger adults iirc, and Barsboldia is often placed off as a basal member of edmontosaurini (At the very least, Shant has a similar ridge above the hip, so it’s not TOO weird of a trait to see)

[light osprey]

So Barsboldia is an Edmontosaurini, that was my I intuition but I thought I’d read something different

[sudden wind]

There are none.

[tiny holly]

Well there it is lol. In my defense over thinking otherwise its been like a year and thats enough for me to forget everything ever

[rose thorn]

There are quite a few suggestions the two will be lumped. While multiple large hadrosaurs in an area isn’t out of the question, the uncanny similarity in Bars and Saurolo’s spinal columns make it hard to ignore their association

[sudden wind]

Meraxes description does describe the skull as non pathological and does not show any sort of bite marks, even though it is an old animal (40 to 60 years old).

[tiny holly]

go grandpa

[wind prairie]

is it possible some thalattosuchians could death roll?

like probably not the thin snouted ones right but I could see it with geosaurines like dakosaurus

[rose thorn]

As it stands, they are distinct, but I personally wanna see them lumped so PoT can remodel Bars into it

[light osprey]

Does anyone have any art of Mesozoic pterosaurs or birds in a feeding frenzy type scenario?

[tiny holly]

Yeah I doubt most of them did, they had more of a piscivore thing going on so there really isn't much need. But larger, stouter ones like Dakosaurus I'd say so. While not quite the same we do see things like large sharks employing a similar "rip off chunks" strategy on stuff like whale carcasses

[wind prairie]

teleosauroids are more gharial like so I can't really see them doing it

[river vigil]

Pov: T.rex, changes a little throughout the years, Pov: Spinosaurus, whole different being

[wind prairie]

is the idea that camptosaurus could walk on 4 legs outdated now?

[rose thorn]

curious you specified mesozoic pterosaurs as if they existed outside then

[rose thorn]

Iirc their wrists don’t allow for a heavy amount of it

[white matrix]

thats what I thought yeah

[tiny holly]

Probably followed along the lines of a lot of bipedal ornithopods where they could rest weight on their forelimbs but probably wouldn't do so well trying to locomote like that

[light osprey]

Danian pterosaurs

[wind prairie]

the wrists wouldn't be the problem though, right? ceratopsians, thyreophorans and a few other quadrupedal dinosaurs don't pronate their wrists

[tiny holly]

it doesnt come from a need to pronate but just simply not having the structural support. Regardless of whether we can pronate our wrists, I promise if you tried walking on all fours for a while your wrists would get pretty sore

[wind prairie]

yeah just wondering if camptosaurus's arms could bare its weight

[light osprey]

I find strange how hard it is to kind proper Maastrichtian bird art. Feel like it’s infinitely easier to depict them and show scenarios which pertain to their lifestyles and such.

[tiny holly]

They are a little few and far between, small and fragmentary so don't fossilise often. But I think for the most part they're just overshadowed by the non-avian dinosaurs, it's a similar story with basically every other mesozoic animal, such as mammals or non-mosasaur squamates

[rose thorn]

Yea, it’s not about pronation much at all, just whether or not the wrists and digits could be sufficiently load bearing. In Campto’s case, we don’t have any extensive research on the topic to my knowledge, but it’s somewhat robust hand anatomy shows that it was probably experimenting with quad movement

[white matrix]

Experimenting LMAO

[sudden wind]

That's a good question, but I don't think the slender snouted ones would have needed to given their convergent snout shape to gharials which cannot death roll.

As for Geosaurines, I think they could do just fine as they were capable of tearing, pulling and suction feeding.

[tiny holly]

death rolling becomes somewhat redundant when your whole shtick is just grabbing a fishing and swallowing it

[wind prairie]

cool

[wind prairie]

they could suction feed??? I thought that was a fish only thing

[rose thorn]

Yea, probably pushing itself off the ground or grazing on all 4s

[wind prairie]

tbf yeah I don't see why it wouldn't at least hold its weight on them when bending down to eat, drink, or manage something else

[sudden wind]

A lot of marine animals are capable of suction feeding.

Whales are a good example. Either baleen whales, sperm whales, beaked whales or oceanic dolphins.

[rose thorn]

That weird frog headed turtle:

[wind prairie]

coulda sworn whales just ate their food without inhaling it, neat

[rose thorn]

Schlorp

[tiny holly]

Suction feeding is basically just opening your mouth fast enough that the pressure difference forces water (and whatever is in the water) into your mouth, like a momentary vacuum. Plenty of animals do it because its one of the easiest and best ways to catch food in a medium like water

[wind prairie]

ahh I see

[tiny holly]

The problem with water is when you push against it, you also push the surrounding water. So if you push your hand forward to grab something in the water, you will often push it further away before you manage to grab it. If you create a vacuum you can force it towards you instead (or do what lots of piscivores do and get Thin so you push as little water as possible)

[rose thorn]

Also Ocepechelon

[light osprey]

Two of the wackiest giant Cryptodirans found from the same formation

The other being Alienochelys

[wind prairie]

forgot about ocepechelon yeah, I love that thing lol

alienochelys just has a flat face what's so wacky about it?

[light osprey]

Just particularly durophagous feeding habits

[wind prairie]

ah

what were the arms of bipedal pseudosuchians like postosuchus and poposaurus doing?

[peak jetty]

their best

[undone parcel]

in light of the new Dryptosaurus mod..its bad enough i see no one ever talk about Drypto but its even less i see talk about its huge hand claws

[woeful falcon]

Oh, I can actually talk about drypto more freely now

Yeah its such a cool animal. Just the entire premise of it, what if we took a tyrannosaur and let it keep its longer arms

[undone parcel]

and give it meat hooks

[light osprey]

Such an enigmatic ecology as well.

[undone parcel]

welcome to Appalachian fossils

[light osprey]

At least Hornerstown is full of birds. Not that pertains to the megafauna

[undone parcel]

depends how big a bird is

[light osprey]

There might be a large bird from there. Idk if Larramendi has scaled all these fellas lol

[undone parcel]

but Drypto is just..amazing cause ts like a Albertosaurine-ish headed alioramine bodied and legged tyrannosaur with the arms of like Yutyrannus but with 2 fingers and massive butcher meat hook claws

since yesterday was Rexes birthday, i went on just a Nostalgia trip of depictions and i came under the realization that Albertosaurus rex was..weirdly common for depictions

and i think it started with Phil tibbets rex that i swear i was sure was just Albertosaurus and seems to have ended with Prehistoric Park

[light osprey]

Albertosaurus rex?

[undone parcel]

Albertosaurine rex i guess

[light osprey]

What is that though. I’ve never heard of this term

[undone parcel]

credit: Phil Tibbet Studio

its just T.rex but more Albertosaurine build to the point its just Albertosaurus

[light osprey]

Huh

[undone parcel]

doesnt help that in Prehistoric Park the rex was literally just a slightly modified Albertosaurus model

[light osprey]

Well, I guess that’s a thing then

[undone parcel]

for Disneys Dinosaur, one of the T.rex concepts was just Albertosaurine build rex

[heady thunder]

Tbf, back then rex was depicted way less bulky, so it ended up looking like an albertosaurine by proxy

[undone parcel]

i hate Albertosaurine by term..its just Alberto and Gorgo and its argued ones the other

[light osprey]

Sometimes clades be like that

Wikipedia says Laornis is kind of big maybe. Probably a big seabird at that point though

[undone parcel]

cretaceous?

late cretaceous to early Paleogene..

oh Drypto is Hornerstown

[light osprey]

Si

[dusky stratus]

Does anybody have refs for Ptychodus ?

[light oxide]

Tbf, when you have such thick leg bones like those, I don't think Camptosaurus needed to go quadrupedal.

[vast ridge]

Radical Rocks
Jiggy
Mod Id: UGC_M_YZK74KD09W_SK

[white matrix]

What ?

[vast ridge]

what the problem ?

this massge keeps poping up every time i try to enter server

[covert lintel]

you're in the wrong channel, then

[sudden wind]

Take on Squalicorax.

It was a Lamniform and not an Hybodontiform, even less an Orectolobiform.

[dry zealot]

^^

[heady thunder]

Mf gave dasp a tumor

[uneven pine]

Big brain time

[white matrix]

He works out at the library

[sudden wind]

the neck would not buldge like that.

Dan's skeletal has the head retracted to on the neck, which increase the neck height.

[wintry echo]

Anybody got any refs for Carcinosoma?

[copper flame]

is titanosaurus valid?
if not what do the fossil remains belong to?

[sullen cairn]

titanosaurus is troodon if it was a sauropod only if instead of a tooth it was some caudals that were lost for over a century

[copper flame]

so no fossils

btw are there more than 2 triceratops species?
I was looking for references for some art and I found this

art by Thejuras on deivant art

[sullen cairn]

those last two don't exist

titanosaurus has fossils still assigned they just aren't diagnostic

[light osprey]

Oh lookie here, maybe you can answer my question about Dermochelyids

[sullen cairn]

what about dermochelyids

[copper flame]

how much this guy weigh because I dont trust googles answer

[light osprey]

Is it possible the other members of the clade would’ve had the monochrome colouration that Dermochelys has

[sullen cairn]

I suppose it'd be possible and I'd imagine the majority would've had some form of countershading

[copper flame]

just looked up dermochelys
why are you talking about a leatherback sea turtle?

[light osprey]

Cause I’m obsessed with Mesodermochelys rn

[copper flame]

based turtles

[sullen cairn]

hmmmm yes what should we call the dermochelys thing from the mesozoic

[light osprey]

I wonder how similar they would’ve appeared in life, which I why I proposed the question

[sullen cairn]

larramendi has it at 4.3t which seems fairly reasonable

[bright veldt]

About right for a sauropod of that size yeah

[light osprey]

The idea of something like this living in the maastrichtian pacific is too cool to pass up on.

[copper flame]

larramendi?

[sullen cairn]

funny size man

occasionally participates in devilish antics

[light osprey]

Certainly an individual of all time. Speaking of has he done anything for Laornis?

[copper flame]

whats the most armored sauropod because apperently its not this guy

[steady rock]

could any abelisauroid actually take down iguanadon? becasue carno certianly aint

[compact leaf]

I have nightmares about him rebbachisaurus tooth scaling

[stiff osprey]

titanovenator wouldn't have trouble with iguanodon if it didn't live in a different hemisphere fifty million years away

[copper flame]

for a skeleton bro looks BUILT

[sullen cairn]

these lads would probably be fine but most of everything else wasn't getting bigger than 3t

[copper flame]

whats the largest neotheropod?

[sullen cairn]

rex

[copper flame]

neotheropod

[sullen cairn]

still rex

[copper flame]

largest coelphysoid

[sullen cairn]

probably gojirasaurus or maybe some of those eubrontes tracks if they belong to a coelophysoid

[copper flame]

last time I checked gojirasaurus is dubious

[sullen cairn]

cause its indet

[unique sedge]

Maraapunisaurus Fragillimus

[sullen cairn]

it still consists of a probable coelophysoid material its just not diagnostic on the generic level

[copper flame]

what about it

[unique sedge]

They should add it

[copper flame]

it too fat

[light osprey]

Wrong chat I think anyways

[copper flame]

how did lythronax get its name?

[sullen cairn]

campanian eutyrannosaurian described post late-2000s edgy name syndrome

[light osprey]

Beautiful response

[sullen cairn]

and argestes because its from the southwest

[copper flame]

how did spinosaurus walk with those toothpick legs

WHAT IF

[light osprey]

What if it didn’t do whatever that implies

[copper flame]

tripod stance

[bright veldt]

Even if gojirasaurus exists (which it doesn't), it wouldn't be the largest of the early theropods, given dilophosaurus is fairly close in relation.

[copper flame]

whats bigger than dilo?

[light osprey]

A lot of more derived Neotheropods

[bright veldt]

Herrerasaurus also exists, but we don't know what's going on with herrerasaurs taxonomically.

[sullen cairn]

chinese prosauropod dorsal

[copper flame]

whats the biggest prosauropod

[sullen cairn]

that big elliot thing

[bright veldt]

Plateosaurus itself I think? What's big elliot?

[sullen cairn]

undescribed big lower elliot bipedal thing

[light osprey]

Nvmd

[copper flame]

whats the most ARMORED sauropod

also did rexes actually do this

[light osprey]

I think I’m onto something with Dermochelyid condition to monochrome schemes

[compact leaf]

the lower elliot thing is a monster so that’s the largest prosauropod, after that it is a plateosaurus specimen I think

[light osprey]

Triassic is wild for that one

[copper flame]

damn straight

[sullen cairn]

remember what they took from you

[bright veldt]

There is evidence yes.

[copper flame]

I bet where scratching the surface of how HUGE sauropods could get

[light osprey]

Mmmmm sure

[bright veldt]

It seems tyrannosaurus preferred to remove the head when feeding to get it out of the way. Also we have no idea what maraapuni would look like and thus how big it actually would be.

It definitely was in the realm of largest dinosaurs outright, but it's placement as a very early rebbachisaur makes details very tricky

[sullen cairn]

As an added note larramendi's two largest basal neotheropod things (dandakosaurus and shawanensis) were both assigned to theropoda because of similiarities in the vertebrae to those of sinosaurus. Said "sinosaurus vertebrae" is actually from a prosauropod.

[compact leaf]

we really can’t say anything about maraapunisaurus because the original measurements are very likely not reliable

[copper flame]

do yall think certain ankylosaurs pulled an echidna and burrowed a bit with only there armor exsposed to protect them during wild fires

[silver canopy]

W h a t

Somebody Please Show Me This Fossil

I'm So Curious Now..

[nocturne gazelle]

Reminds me of pike

[sullen cairn]

aspidorhynchus not saurichthys

[silver canopy]

OH. MY. GOD.

I NEED ONE IN PATH NOW.

[light osprey]

Path hehe

[silver canopy]

Welp

To The Modding Channel I Go To Ask The Great Question.

[copper flame]

whats the max weight for theropods like giga, rex, and spino
also whats dinosaur has the coolest meaning in there name

[copper flame]

WHO BIGGER
tyranotitan or giganotosaurus

why paleo chat dead rn

[gaunt raven]

Giga is

[copper flame]

also whats the diffrence between them

[gaunt raven]

One is giga the other isn’t and is smaller

[copper flame]

whats there weight

[steady rock]

all carchs look the same

[gaunt raven]

Basically

[copper flame]

fr

[gaunt raven]

Giga is within 7-8.6 tons and tyrano is within 6-7

As far as I recall

[copper flame]

giga is the biggest of there species right

[gaunt raven]

Yep giga is the trex of carchs basically

[copper flame]

well rex only has like 2 of its species close to its size
giga has like 4

also whats gigas largest esitmate currently?

[woeful falcon]

Believe that would be Dan's reconstruction of the dentary specimen at ≈10.4t, rivalling the largest rexes

Someone correct me if I'm wrong

[sullen cairn]

I think closer to 10.1t with the hip shaving

Not that it matters much

[copper flame]

the ep copes specimen is like at 10 to like 13t

giga v rex is a bit of a stomp tbh

[woeful falcon]

I'll stick with Sue and Scotty

[copper flame]

there like 8t

[light osprey]

It’s a stomp because one went extinct 27 million years before the other

[copper flame]

no its a stomp beacuse rex would destory giga in a fight

[gaunt raven]

Rex has new weight estimates that put it the largest individuals at around 12t no?

[light osprey]

Nuh uh

[woeful falcon]

No lol. They're certainly not 8 tons.

[gaunt raven]

Hmm I could have sworn I saw a study recently

[copper flame]

rex has better vison, inteligence, and raction speed

[compact leaf]

the theoretical max for the species is still around 12 tons, no specimens actually approach that right now

[steady rock]

i have a question, woujld deinosuchus act like a saltwater crocodile seeing how majoirty of the usa was under the water in the west interior seaway?

[gaunt raven]

Oh ok that’s what it was

[light osprey]

It really doesn’t matter… cause one died before the other

[copper flame]

whats the max for theropods in general

[gaunt raven]

It was a coastal animal so I would imagine it would

[woeful falcon]

I would guess that theoretical max of 12 tons

[light osprey]

At least 10
Grams*

[copper flame]

id bet 13 to 15 tons

[gaunt raven]

15 tons is insane

[steady rock]

you think deinosuchus was out there eating sub adult mosaurids? tylosaurids?

[sullen cairn]

Wrong the maximum weight for theropods is 12.7884848387373774kg and 84 cents

[gaunt raven]

I mean I could see that being within the realm of possibility but there’s currently no evidence to suggest that

[woeful falcon]

Seeing as the largest theropod is tyrannosaurus and its theoretical max is 12t, that number

[steady rock]

15 ton deinocherius.

[copper flame]

nah its probably 13t

[woeful falcon]

I'm also just taking that theoretical max number at face value I have no actual idea

Largest reliable rex is 10+tons tho

[light osprey]

Seems to like Bothremydid turtles. Don’t know about any Mosasauridae though

[copper flame]

z

[compact leaf]

that’s not even how all reptiles work

[woeful falcon]

To my knowledge, rex growth is understood well enough also

[copper flame]

15 ton rex might be peak idk

[woeful falcon]

Rexes stink I can name 5 better tyrannosaurs and a bunch more theropods

[light osprey]

Proof

[copper flame]

but hey its just a theroy

[woeful falcon]

80 ton rex peak

[light osprey]

Didn’t check this number, but can confirm it’s true

[woeful falcon]

Did the gdi myself

[copper flame]

13 tons is prob the MAX

[light osprey]

Real question is why does Lacerda’s Plotosaurus look so different than any other Plotosaurus depiction I’ve seen

[copper flame]

fastest swimming plesiosaur

[light osprey]

my favorite plesiosaur

[copper flame]

long necker

[light osprey]

I was being facetious, it’s a mosasaur

[copper flame]

tegu mosa is crazy

[woeful falcon]

Say what you will, lil dorsal fins on mosasaurs ain't a bad look

[copper flame]

do the last 2 exist

[copper flame]

honestly it looks cute

[sullen cairn]

They’re fictional

[light osprey]

Is it real and true though?

[copper flame]

womp

[woeful falcon]

Idk but I like the look

[copper flame]

also what did triceratops skin look like

[light osprey]

Righty oh, I’ll trust Lacerda then

[copper flame]

chat is this guy real

[woeful falcon]

I haven't heard of Chilantai being clapped

But I also haven't heard anyone say with certainty what Chilantai was

[copper flame]

chilantai is underated
why was dinosaur simulator roaster so bloated (the main reason why I know about these dinos in the first place)

[sullen cairn]

Prolly isn’t too intensive to make ‘em and presumably they make money somehow

[light osprey]

More is always better. No need to argue with me, my logic is flawless

[copper flame]

nah

also most of the roaster there still has jp rex sound effects

did ankylosaurs burrow during fires to protect them selves? like echidnas

[wind prairie]

what a coincidence someone was talking about this earlier. I was just going to say yeah, dryptosaurus is SUPER underrated

[wind prairie]

I feel like the most that larger ones could "burrow" is to dig small hole in the ground to lay in and close off their legs or to dig for food

[wind prairie]

not like how Conway had it here afaik, but it's still possible IMO that other ceratopsians maaay have had some back thorns for whatever purpose?

[wind prairie]

idk if you guys have seen the "dinosauria" cinematic shorts on youtube, but there's a euoplocephalus that does exactly what I'm talking about in one of them

[copper flame]

dinosauria?

oh by dead sound

[wind prairie]

stylized animated short films by dead sound on youtube. they go hard. but here's what I'm talking about

I could definitely see smaller ankylosaurs digging more advanced "burrows" though like in prehistoric planet

[light osprey]

What a lil cutie

[copper flame]

I imagine more like a creater
echidnas do that too so it cant be to far fetched to think they ankylosaurs did it to

the isles mid btw
the roaster bloat is insane

[light osprey]

There’s nothing particularly comparative between Monotremes and Ankylosaurs

[copper flame]

they have defenses

[wind prairie]

what a comparison 💀

[light osprey]

And I don’t know specifically what Enchida does to burrow, but I doubt even Stegouros did what you’re showing in that image

[wind prairie]

ah yes a small insectivorous spiny mammal and a giant armored cow gator, comparable indeed

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its burrows a bit to protect its self from the fire

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An Enchida burrow.

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Here’s the smallest Ankylosaur I know of.

[wind prairie]

yeah ankylosaur burrowing is a fun concept but-
ceratopsians that actually have proof of doing it-

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protoceratops moment

[wind prairie]

also a leptoceratops moment

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axe anky is so cool

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Unite both genera and you get a Leptoceratopsidae moment

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and jakapil

[wind prairie]

I don't think proto is a leptoceratopsid, just say "small ceratopsian moment"

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was its macronarians specsificly that could'nt go on there hind legs

[wind prairie]

pretty sure they still could for very brief moments probably

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but not like this tho right

[wind prairie]

that's rearing. While it would be brief for the macronarians yes they'd still be capable

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just not as long as things like titanosaurs

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Whoops

[wind prairie]

and honest to god diplodocids might be better at rearing than elephants and..

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prosauropods where better

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I must’ve been conflating prenoceratops

[wind prairie]

all the big boys with a center of gravity in their chest like brachi or titanosaurs would be very brief, probably to the point of being pointless aside from being probably very very scary

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VULCANODON ON TOP

[wind prairie]

I beg to differ, proper sauropods are far cooler except like lessemsaurids they're cool

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or fighting

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big chin ceratopsians are chads

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Surely Ferrisaurus will make an appearance in a PhP season 3. Especially cause it’s a newer genus

[wind prairie]

non ceratopsid ceratopsians are underrated really. I mean protoceratops and psittacosaurus get a lot of attention but the others get nothing

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thoughts on loon spino

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So little attention I just assumed basal morphotypes all belonged to one family lol

[wind prairie]

it like that lol

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why alta built like.....

[wind prairie]

ugly as sin, especially for the sheer improbability of spinosaurus having the exact same color and patterning as a loon

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chicken rex moment

[wind prairie]

duck feathers have a benefit in aquatic environments though, Idr what, but I guess it's an unlikely possibility

[wind prairie]

why does nobody talk about this thing btw, it's built like the spiderman kingpin that's hilarious (not as much as cotylorhynchus but whatever)

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what if....

[wind prairie]

speaking of goofy looking sauropods, brachytrachelopan is a joy

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It’s less wonky than that depiction. Still funky

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dont do that to my man

[wind prairie]

wait WHAT

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?

[wind prairie]

explanations I require. Did it really have those osteoderms and enourmous tail spines??

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no its a sub species of a mod dino

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This is a real thing?

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Yes

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YES

[wind prairie]

mmhmm

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Are we sure we arent just missing some neck vertebrates
This thing is marvelous

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nope

[wind prairie]

you gotta look deep for the wacko sauropods

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Such sillies

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coolest sauropod name tho (means volcano tooth)

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Sauroposeidon might take the cake here sorry. As an objective fact really

[wind prairie]

you seen the exact opposite? this is xinjiangtitan, the mother of all longnecks if you ask me

and no, that's not exaggerated

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YEAH RIGHT

[wind prairie]

xinjiangtitan's was at least proportionally longer

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I think Mamenchisaurids are just beautiful

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earthquake lizard god
tyrant titan
volcano tooth
gore king
all of them are just such cool names

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Lythronax has such a good name man
Edgy, but good

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IKR
fr

[wind prairie]

volcano tooth is a mid name, doesn't even sound like it means anything, just a combo of 2 "cool" words

[sullen cairn]

gore king when the bistahi destroyer, monstrous murderer, powerful terror, and reaper of death enter the room

[wind prairie]

maip's name is edgy but it does kinda go hard

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I beg to dipper

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What does maips name mean again

[sullen cairn]

whenever i hear maip my first thought is always this mf

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heavy claw (baryonyx)

[wind prairie]

something like "he who kills with one swipe" or "he who kills with cold wind"

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Name the dinosaurs

[sullen cairn]

shadow of death who kills with cold wind or something like that

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Austroposeidon deserves the official second best sauropod name for just being “Sauroposeidon” but southern

[wind prairie]

we talkin' bout a BEEEEAST

[sullen cairn]

bistahieversor, teratophoneus, dynamoterror, thanatotheristes

[wind prairie]

therizinosaurus's name is kinda bussin' aside from the cheloniformis part but whatever

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Thats awesome
Like how jaguar is he who kills with one leap

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yall forgetting about him?