paleontology

[neat drum]

Hairy

[woeful falcon]

oh man would you look at that. they do have a decently noticeable amount of hair, especially at the mouth. kinda expected

[neat drum]

They are very fuzzy like an elephant, and have special whiskers that are used to grab and hold onto food

Closest to hairlessness is likely the cetaceans tho, they have whiskers and a few body hairs, but thats it

Non-mammal synapsids are the best bet for nakey mammal things

[storm heron]

Hmm, so cetaceans had hair on their face and all over their body?

[ruby geyser]

Like every mammal , our common ancestor looked like a rat after all

[still prairie]

so we are the rats

[pearl briar]

hmm sea potato

[snow python]

What is Epanterias, a distinct species , a big Allo specimen or Saurophaganax?

[eager skiff]

Anyone has up to date triceratops horridus skeletals?

[magic pelican]

who was bigger and weighed more deinosuchus or purasaurus

[scenic flame]

Deinosuchus

[vivid ridge]

What is yalls fav allo?

[magic pelican]

torvosaurus gurney

[vivid ridge]

[magic pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/torvo-gif-22065732

[pearl briar]

uhh i said....
fragilis and jimmadseni

[eager skiff]

thanks

[pearl briar]

crap didn't realize it's bad res
here's with the good resolution

[magic pelican]

torvosaurus compared to saurophaganax

[pearl briar]

quick question
how accurate?

[snow python]

Largest megaraptoran provided chilantaisaurus and bahariasaurus aren't megaraptors and aerosteon was downsized for 9m to 7,5m

[pearl briar]

eh iirc chilantai possibly a neovenatorid or a primitive coelurosaur
while baharia idk

[eager skiff]

You guys are some smart ahh people lmao

[frosty cedar]

Not really, we are just interested in paleo stuff.

[pearl briar]

even i admit that i'm such a dino nerd 🤓🤓

[eager skiff]

So am i but daym i cant even understand what yous are saying lol

[frosty cedar]

I'm not a biologist/paleonthologist by a MILE, so sometimes I'm in the same situation when the topic gets too complicated.

[dry whale]

I have a question that's been bugging me about the megatherium (giant ground sloth) I'm currently drawing one and when I got to the head, I couldn't decide if it had internal ears like current tree sloths or external ears like all depictions of it. I'm no expert but I'm really interested in finding out what the answer is

[pearl briar]

ehhh...that depends on how you would drawing the megatherium. you can draw ur megatherium either it has an internal ears nor external ears
my opinion is draw it with external ears like all megatherium depictions

[dry whale]

Okey ❤️❤️

[small dagger]

This good for a Rex remodel idea
Accuracy wise
(Based off of multiple specimens)

[chilly knot]

Carcharodontosaurid

[vivid ridge]

Huh...reminds me of the zhucheng from a roblox game

[small dagger]

Well Rex and zhcheng are very related animals

[tough parcel]

I quite like it, only thing is removing the jugal keratin 🤔 (And replacing it with large scales or smth akin to that)

[vivid ridge]

Yeah but it's just the shape of the skull that is absolutley on point with that exact model

[last iron]

A. Europaeus

[vivid ridge]

Same

[chilly knot]

Europaeus has some validity issues iirc

[vivid ridge]

But i mean

[jagged trellis]

insert Europe joke here

[charred gulch]

Anyone have the info for Deinosuchus being bigger than Purussaurus.

[chilly knot]

Europaeus might be just fragilis or smth

[vivid ridge]

Possibly but it's living all the way across the atlantic ocean and has some key diffrences with the skull shape

[vivid ridge]

Since A. Europaeus is from portugal then... RONALDOSAURUS

[chilly knot]

Afaik europe was an island very close to NA during the late jurassic and I dont see major differences between fragmentary skull remains of europaeus and fragilis

[charred gulch]

TY someone on youtube said I needed to "check my facts" and go "know common knowledge."

Future sadly I tried to post those links to youtube but the "spam filter" hide my comment.

[vivid ridge]

But there are diffrences, not that many because if there are too many that could make it a diffrent genus.

[chilly knot]

Idk what they are specifically, maybe its really just location

Havent read its description paper

[pearl briar]

i have question again
what's the differences between anurognathus and jeholopterus?

[jagged trellis]

there was something different between em...maybe

[vivid ridge]

Think A. Europaeus is not A. Fragilis

[last iron]

Wasn’t Europaeus also larger in general than fragilis

[earnest saffron]

Hey I’m new and I got a question

[charred gulch]

@pearl briar @hallow shell any links to read these by any chance?

[vivid ridge]

Think it was smaller

[chilly knot]

these can be explained by individual variation

[last iron]

Wait yea nvm
I remembered the size of both torvosaurus species in their respective formations

[earnest saffron]

Is T. Imperator larger than T. Rex?

[vivid ridge]

T. Imperator is not real

[pearl briar]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-ragnarok-ragnarok-kratos-kratos-no-nope-gif-27160145

[chilly knot]

is T. rex larger than T. rex?

[pearl briar]

t imperator and regina is invalid so no

[earnest saffron]

Wdym

[bright veldt]

The three species hypothesis is a load of nonsense. For perspective, the only differences between the supposed three species are, get this, slight variation in tooth size and slight variation in the thickness of the femur. That’s it.

[last iron]

They didn’t exist, didn’t Jack Horner bring it up and then it was immediately disproved

[chilly knot]

Greg paul did that

[ancient crystal]

Jack Horner...

[pearl briar]

imperator and regina is nonsense and bullcrap

[earnest saffron]

Oh so that’s why no one talks about it

[bright veldt]

The same mf that thinks centrosaurus, styracosaurus, pachyrhinosaurus, and others should all be one genus.

[last iron]

💀theres no way he said that

[chilly knot]

or Deinonychus and Velociraptor

[pearl briar]

no way 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[vivid ridge]

Wasn't that article debunked years back??? T. Rex is the only species. Anyways to answer the earlier question asked by Lamborlobator if the allosaur diffrences were individual variation...well there was a huge size diffrence and those allos lived like 2000 miles apart since

1. Atlantic ocean being about 200-100 Km wide at the time
2. The journey from the east coast to colorado.

[earnest saffron]

I thought that since 2019 but no one talked about it so I just kept remembering it

[chilly knot]

They can be same sized

[vivid ridge]

Yeah well it was debunked by some paleontologists who found too little evidence

[earnest saffron]

Oh ok Ty

[bright veldt]

The whole Regina and imperator thing is hilarious to me in particular cause I remember there being debate about its controversy in the days leading up to the paper getting published. We didn’t know what it was exactly so people like Holtz not being the happiest kind of increased the hype cause everybody likes a spicy theory. Then it comes out, we realize that it was just the same bs Greg has been trying to pull for the past 40 years, and just go https://youtube.com/shorts/QztCvnmGcYw?feature=share

[vivid ridge]

Is that Simo Häyhä???? WTF IS HE DOING HERE???

[hallow shell]

Bro thinks Pelecanimimus can fly

[chilly knot]

Justice likes the sniper god ig

[earnest saffron]

Do you guys think it’s possible to bring back dinosaurs (I don’t)

[frigid coral]

Some

[bright veldt]

Even if we could I don’t see the point. Let’s fix our planet and bring back the stuff we murdered first.

[last iron]

Dna degradation moment

[vivid ridge]

Also Simo was pretty small so ofc A. Europaeus would TOWER over him (Simo is a winter war sniper that killed 500 soviet soldiers in 1939-1940 and somehow he managed to be in a dinosaur size comparison)

[earnest saffron]

I READ THAT AS SPINO

[frigid coral]

it’s 100% possible but not ethical or necessary

[vivid ridge]

That is something

[earnest saffron]

That’s it, I’m done, who is really the biggest pterosaur

Queztalcoatlus
Hatzegopteryx

[chilly knot]

hatz

[frigid coral]

hatz

[stoic tinsel]

its very likely all three allosaurus species are just members of a. fragilis

[chilly knot]

Cant disagree

[vivid ridge]

For refrence, A. Europaeus is about 2 - 3 meters tall and A. Fragilis 3-4 or even 5 meters tall.
The person in the size chart is Simo Häyhä known as "The white death" being 1.6 M tall, that would make the allo in the photo 2,5 M tall.

[stoic tinsel]

it was not 16 feet tall lol mf was not azhdarchid height

[chilly knot]

google🗿

[pearl briar]

you still can see dinosaurs
just see birds
problem solved

[vivid ridge]

Proof?

[vivid ridge]

16 Ft is rex height and that's the largest estimate, but from what i have seen the most is 3-4 meters

[stoic tinsel]

The type specimen for a. jimmadseni is an immature specimen so by that fact alone it shouldn't have been erected as it's own species and the small differences between europaeus is likely individual variation, something that is very common in allosaurus

[chilly knot]

fragilis and europaeus arent that different in size

[stoic tinsel]

No 16 feet is a whole 4 feet taller than Scotty

[vivid ridge]

Not really good at the imperial system...

[stoic tinsel]

Rex was barely hitting 3.7 or so meters tall

[chilly knot]

allosaurus size according to google

[vivid ridge]

You talking about Big Al?

[vivid ridge]

Gigachad allo

[stoic tinsel]

The differences between them become largely irrelevant once you look into the differences between a lot of the fragilis specimens we have...

[chilly knot]

yep

Those are all fragilis

[stoic tinsel]

Then there's NMMNH P-26083 who isn't assigned to any specific genus and remains "allosauridae indet." but is most likely allosaurus and that boi is sauro sized

[vivid ridge]

This started from "Is A. Europaeus a valid species" into "How big was allosaurus?" And "Were all allosaurs just fragilis?"

[chilly knot]

Saurophaganax is the guy who is actualy different🫦

[vivid ridge]

Diffrent genus

[stoic tinsel]

Saurophaganax likely being an allosaurus too

[chilly knot]

unlikely, very

[stoic tinsel]

It's like a 50/50

[vivid ridge]

Think there just a supersized gigachad fragilis being way larger thhan the rest of it's spdcies is unlikley, or all fragilis remains we have found are sub adults and sauro is just an adult fragilis (impossible really)

[chilly knot]

Saurophaganax has tyrannosaurid like chevrons and very different vertebra

[stoic tinsel]

Nah we have tons of adult fragilis specimens again size between fragilis specimens is heavily variable

[vivid ridge]

Then allosaurus can be the same sizs as rex
So in that case google was right

[stoic tinsel]

No

[jagged trellis]

oh the kangaroo pose vs hip pose ordeal again

[stoic tinsel]

Not sure there is a skeletal that actually shows that tho is there?

[tough parcel]

No because there's no good description of Saurophaganax

[frigid coral]

It’s extremely fragmentary and the bad skeletals don’t really help

[chilly knot]

We have tons of undescribed stuff so

[stoic tinsel]

Yea but I don't think it's being described

[chilly knot]

https://tenor.com/view/vergilsmile-vergil-vergil-dmc-vergil-devil-may-cry-vergil-dmc5-gif-24388059

[stoic tinsel]

It also doesn't help that people seem to think it's a carch

[past comet]

Imo the only thing that really distinguishes sauro from allo is the vertebrae. Everything else seems extremely similar to allo from what I’ve read, although the descriptions are very poor. I’m personally in the A. Maximus camp since it lived with other Allosaurus and I don’t feel that sufficient time, space, or niche availability would have been available to allow for a whole new genus of Allo to evolve

[vivid ridge]

Imo A. Europaeus is it's own species

[chilly knot]

One day Im the one who laughs here

[stoic tinsel]

Issue is the whole chevron thing is just from word of mouth and given the amount of conflicting information and misinformation I can't trust it until i see it in a paper

[past comet]

Really? Just word of mouth? How unscientific… smh… idk then. I need to see a paper too.

[stoic tinsel]

Afaik it's word of mouth I've looked for something referencing it for awhile and I couldn't find anything so I can't take it for fact atm I don't doubt it but I'm not going to jump on it either

[vivid ridge]

Smoking gun right here

[stoic tinsel]

Where'd you find that?

[vivid ridge]

Bing

[stoic tinsel]

What website tho

[pearl briar]

see this is why i'm always asked "what is the most up-to-date [animal name] size (especially length and weight)" to you guys bcuz do not ever trust google and wikipedia y'all

[vivid ridge]

I forgor (btw i used google)

[chilly knot]

The chevron thing is literally described

[stoic tinsel]

It is?

[heady thunder]

Does that make Sauro valid?

[stoic tinsel]

Alr then

It's always been valid

[chilly knot]

Idk how diagnostic chevrons are, we gotta wait for the further description

[heady thunder]

So not yet huh, eh it is what it is.

[stoic tinsel]

Afaik not super diagnostic

[chilly knot]

But like no other carnosaur has such chevrons

[stoic tinsel]

Which i find weird

You would think it would have popped up again in more derived genera

[little mauve]

Two individuals are known from the quarry, which makes it likely a separate species at least (if not genus) rather than just a large specimen of A. fragilis

[stoic tinsel]

Basically no one supports it as a large specimen of a. fragilis

[stoic tinsel]

When and who described it cause I for the life of me can't remember this at all

[chilly knot]

Daniel Chure 1995

[hallow shell]

Saurophaganax is just Allo Prime

[stoic tinsel]

Interesting

[hallow shell]

Where 10.5m Dasp 👀

[stoic tinsel]

Undescribed

[vivid ridge]

Do you guys think A. Europaeus is just Fragilis or that it's a separate species

[chilly knot]

Although afaik the chevron thing is from Chures long ass Allosaurus paper from 2000

[stoic tinsel]

Yeah the only skeletal that I know that has them is randomdinos' and I take every skeletal of sauro with a handful of salt since every sauro skeletal varies a lot

[chilly knot]

Heres also an informative video of chure talking about Saurophaganax https://youtu.be/m0aGEUlfiHY

[vivid ridge]

.

[stoic tinsel]

Likely yes

[vivid ridge]

WICH? Yes what? As in it's fragilis or as in it's a valid species?

[stoic tinsel]

It's likely fragilis

[vivid ridge]

I beg to differ

[stoic tinsel]

Same with jimmadseni

[vivid ridge]

Europaeus is likely not fragilis since they lived in diffrent places on earth and when a genus of dinosaur is all across earth there aee most likely more species than one

[stoic tinsel]

Geographic location is not diagnostic

[vivid ridge]

And let's talk about the time when they lived because as you may know that sometimes when one genus lives in ome generic area for a lot of time there are probably going to be diffrent species

[little mauve]

ironically Chure supports the validity of jimmadseni & europaeus

[stoic tinsel]

The differences between the 3 species can be chalked up to individual variation since allosaurus vary wildly

[chilly knot]

Imma say jimmadseni has more of a right to be valid than euro does

[stoic tinsel]

I don't think either are

[little mauve]

I'm agnostic, I can see both side's arguments until we get more material

[stoic tinsel]

Not my fault allosaurus is stupidly variable

[little mauve]

very true, most dinosaurs seem to be pretty variable & we have a decent sample size for allosaurus to prove it was too

[hushed valve]

5 meters wtf

[stoic tinsel]

With the allo species they're all fragilis to me until we get more material especially europaeus, but with sauro I see both sides

[past comet]

The chevron thing really throws me off. Why would Allo evolve such chevrons in the first place? Even from my ID perspective, Allo is clearly ancestral or ancestral adjacent to Saurophaganax, yet the two would have occupied extremely similar niches and lived in the exact same habitats. What could possibly prompt such a change in the chevrons into a tyrannosaurid style, especially if you’re basically doing the same things as Allo in the same place as Allo (if you aren’t still just Allo with weird chevrons) just on a larger scale?

[stoic tinsel]

Idk that's why I find it weird that it had them in the first plave and that it hasn't appeared in any other carnosaurian genera

[chilly knot]

Saurophaganaxidae😨

[stoic tinsel]

There's also like zero evolutionary reason for sauro to have them in the first place

[jagged trellis]

there is 1 reason: because

[scenic flame]

That's not something you or anyone else knows

[little mauve]

if it's convergent evolution it's likely they served some purpose, even if we have no idea what

[jagged trellis]

prolly to look cooler

[past comet]

Idk man. Megafaunal Ecology is pretty well understood. We know what Allo was doing, we know sauro is derived from Allo or at least a sister taxa that either evolved parallel to Allo, which makes no sense because Allo was so dominant in the environment both shared, or a very derived Allo that was specificalizing in larger game and through specializing developed differently shaped chevron as a the only meaningful difference other than size? Call me over confident, but the whole thing’s fishy. Based on our understanding of the ecology of the environment of Sauro and the way ecology affects evolution, there truly is no reason why it would adopt tyrannosaur chevrons, except if there is some advantage shared between sauro and most tyrannosaurs, even smaller ones in size to sauro, which doesn’t make sense, because these tyrannosaurs were occupying many different niches themselves, making it less likely to be a specialization!

[tough parcel]

You are very over-confident lmao

We have no idea of Saurophaganax's niche besides "big game hunter" because it's so poorly described. I'm confused how you're able to draw out "It had no reason to evolve these", are you able to tell me why tyrannosaur chevrons are shaped like this?

[little mauve]

I recommend John Foster's book Jurassic West for a discussion of Morrison ecology, but basically it was a vast continent-sized region we're talking about and a stretch of several million years on top of that. We have OK resolution for a Mesozoic ecosystem as to what was going on but frankly, that isn't saying much. All we really know about "Snax" is that it seems to be on the younger (i.e. later) side for the Morrison & it's been found more towards the southwest of the US than the more famous quarries- that's more than enough imo to justify a different ecology, different predators, etc. than the traditional A. fragilis sites

But to be clear, what are you implying is "fishy" about the specimens?

[past comet]

I would assume based on the fact that alioramids have the forward protruding chevrons, that is has something to do with the ancestral condition of tyrannosaurs. They also show up in maniraptoriforms, so perhaps a trait basal to certain coelurosaurs? Idk, but not an adaptation for gigantism. What’s fishy to me is any origin story for the distinct chevrons and/or any ability for snax to become derived enough to be differentiated at the genus level. In addition, Allo itself has some forward protruding chevrons further down its tail than snax but they’re still there, so it doesn’t feel like too much of a stretch for me to think that in certain Allo populations, a homeobox gene for these chevrons could have a slight edit that didn’t come with any specific advantage, but coincided in the size increase and thus got selected for unintentionally

[stoic tinsel]

I think the issue though is that the chevrons only appear in saurophaganax and not any other carnosaur even carchs don't have them

[past comet]

True. Not even obvious sauropod hunters such as Charcharodontosaurs

[tough parcel]

I'm still confused because nowhere did we imply that these funky chevrons in Sauro were linked to gigantism? At least, I swear I didn't. AFAIK tail muscles are linked to movement, so (just throwing this out here), the chevrons are attached to some form of movement that Saurophaganax and tyrannosaurs shared

Idk why we're even speculating when a good majority of the skeletal remains for Saurophaganax aren't published or at least, well-published

[keen forum]

^^^ Could be that the animal might of needed to be very mobile with the prey it was hunting
Also yeah a lot of what we see with sauro atm is taken from prep rooms and pictured with a scale bar not even fully described yet and ppl are already trying to make out what it is, and one of the big things here us that some of scale bars used can oversize some of these bones by up to 20%

[scenic flame]

wasn't the original thing about the chevrons indicating it being separate from allo, regardless of why they were the way they were

[little mauve]

Yeah that's what's confusing me. They are there, and they are different, so the question = is it enough of a difference to warrant a genus or species level split. IMO it's enough to differentiate it on a genus level

[scenic flame]

considering how diagnostic vertebra can be, and the other differences we can see is sauro etc, I think it's reasonable to differ on the genus level

[stoic tinsel]

Yeah sauro is probably it's own genus I just want to know why the tyrannosaurid chevrons

[past comet]

1. Idk maybe it was a misinterpretation on my part. 2. But then why the locomotive change from Allo? Do we have an understanding of the difference of locomotion between Tyrannosaurs and allosaurus?

[little mauve]

That we definitely have a good understanding of

[past comet]

I’m on team A. Maximus until i see a fuller description

[tough parcel]

As KM said here, perhaps it was hunting prey that required a heightened level of agility compared to Allosaurus, or something/other

AFAIK Torvo kicked the bucket and then Sauro came in, so likely shared the same niche (They were not outcompeted, I suspect it's the climate again)

[stoic tinsel]

Torvo went extinct because of the aridification of the Morrison and maybe to a small extant some competition with allo since it was a more of a generalist compared to torvo

[last iron]

I thought it was already arid by the time torvo had come around to it

[stoic tinsel]

That would make sense but issue is why didn't carchs evolve them too, they would have needed to be decently mobile as well

[sage cave]

[stoic tinsel]

To my knowledge no since megalosaurids seem to prefer more wet environments

[midnight wharf]

I seriously wonder how they make accurate dinosaur sounds like these🤔🤔🤔

[last iron]

I have honestly never seen a depiction of a megalosaurid in something other than an equivalent to the New Caledonian dry forests

[stoic tinsel]

Yeah and I've never seen maip depicted in its correct habitat either so what

[jagged trellis]

here is the secret: they guess

[little mauve]

just the current exposure of the Morrison is over a million square km in size, in reality it was a continent size region. It had both arid & wet regions and diverse habitats. What we have are tiny snapshots of an enormous area

[last iron]

Oh what I thought it was all just super dry 😭do you have any papers on the wet environments

[stoic tinsel]

Yeah the Morrison formation is massive

[midnight wharf]

I really like the sounds though I hope they really sounded like that

[jagged trellis]

one probably did but we will never know, all we can do is guess and dream

[little mauve]

look into John Foster's work, he's the current authority on the Morrison paleoenvironment. I recommended his book earlier in the chat, Jurassic West: The Dinosaurs of the Morrison Formation and Their World

the typical view is of a subtropical, semi-arid savannah like environment predominating & that is true but far from the full picture. There are fossilized conifers from Utah that resemble PNW old-growth forest both in size & the amount of precipitation they indicate. It was a patchwork of many habitats, think of all the variety that can fit in a continent and you can get the idea. The climate was less variable then now, of course, but that doesn't mean it was all just one type of environment

[jagged trellis]

aka the morrison was: yes

[little mauve]

From Foster's book:

"The apparent contradiction between the semiarid climates indicated
by the rocks (Demko and Parrish 1998; Parrish et al. 2004; Engelmann
et al. 2004) and the wetter setting suggested by the plant, wood, fish,
and semiaquatic animal fossils (Tidwell 1990; Ash and Tidwell 1998;
Foster and Heckert 2011; Foster and McMullen 2017; Gee et al. 2019)
may be at least partially explainable, however. The geochemistry of the
rocks of the Morrison Formation suggests a semiarid climate, whereas
the abundance of large herbivorous dinosaurs, aquatic and semiaquatic
vertebrates, and relatively large plants indicates a significant supply of
water. But not all water needs to come from the sky in the form of humidity and rain.
Rather, the air mass over the Morrison basin may have
been fairly dry, and evaporation was possibly high. Much of the water in
the basin could have been groundwater flowing from the mountains to
the west. Surface runoff from the mountains also supplied a number of
perennial streams, and rainfall into the basin itself provided an additional,
seasonal component to the dampness of the soil and the levels of the
rivers and ponds. In fact, a system of shallow ponds and lakes (some of
them perennial) that existed in what is now the eastern half of Colorado
was ostensibly groundwater fed and resulted from a reemergence of the
water table caused by downslope flow of groundwater coming out of the
western mountains (Turner and Peterson 2004). It is also possible that
the contradiction between paleosols and large logs and other indications
of abundant precipitation reflect long-term, regional wet-dry cyclicity in
the climate that we do not have the fine-scale stratigraphic resolution to
distinguish in a formation representing about seven million years."

[past comet]

Okay if it was that variable then I could see snax being separate from Allo, but I still need more evidence before I change my mind

[little mauve]

your skepticism is well taken, that's good science

[stone quest]

whats the largest alvarezsaurid

[keen forum]

This is gonna be a guess here but when looking at meraxes and some of the crachs might have just either went into speed and possibly even more of a chase/long game hunts, In acros case and maybe even the some of the larger carchs they tried to use those arms and necks to simply over power prey which could explain the such high spines and arco rather scary arm mobility.

When looking at what we have for sauro we have a animal that seems to be possibly more wider chested/torso ( proportionally ) and using its arms a lot more than any carch, these features may have it being a lot more in the face of the prey and those chevrons are serving as anchors of a lot of muscle to easier help turn this animal or not lose its mobility while also having this more in ur face type of hunting style ( this hunting style of trying to over power prey and still being fast and mobile is something you see in tyrannosaurs as well which could bring to have some similarities to them )

But again this is just a guess and could be a wrong or as right as any other shot in the dark rn

[stone quest]

they take modern day bird/reptile sounds and mix them together
thats the secret

[stoic tinsel]

Ah ok so sauro likely adopted a similar "watch this drive" hunting strategy that crackhead tyrannosaurs employed good to know

[compact leaf]

sauro was also large enough it was probably dealing with juvenile sauropods and you need some serious grappling power for that

[stoic tinsel]

Well tbf allosauroids can still hunt adults if need be

[chilly knot]

I could see it fairing decently against camara or diplo (not sure if either of them was still around sauros time tho)

[stoic tinsel]

I don't think either were

Apparently there is evidence tho that allosauroids were hunting adult sauropods decently frequently

[little mauve]

Both were, they were found in the same quarry. Plus a large apatosaurus

[jagged trellis]

so pretty much a allosaur with gigantism exploits long neck bois having a skill issue

[stoic tinsel]

Thought they were found in older rocks tho?

[little mauve]

They are found pretty much continuously throughout Morrison rocks, the snax quarry isn't that much younger- just comparatively

the dinosaurs specifically found at the Snovall Quarry include: Apatosaurus, Camarasaurus, Stegosaurus, Camptosaurus, & Brachiosaurus in addition to Saurophaganax

so it's pretty typical, it does seem to be a pretty wet environment right there too

[dusky galleon]

Nostalgia anyone?

[white matrix]

Biggest Bird

[small dagger]

I quite like the jugal keratin

[tough parcel]

AFAIK the area's not rough enough to really justify it. You can achieve the same effect with large scale clusters

[small dagger]

I will likely do that

I really hope the devs see stuff like this and act on it, Rex kai and thal are recent but their models aren’t that great.. (accuracy wise)

[dusky galleon]

How accurate is the PT Giganotosaurus mod? I've been wondering about that for a while. (The base subspecies of course)

[small dagger]

Eh… it’s alright, I would take off the scutes then it would be pretty much perfect to our modern knowledge

[dusky galleon]

Have any of you ever seen a new dinosaur reconstruction or skeletal based on the newest information and thought "Wow that is ugly." or "This older reconstruction of how we thought the animal looked was so much better looking?"

Probably the new dunkleosteous for me

[steady rock]

do carchs and abelisaurs have similar niches?

[jagged trellis]

pretty sure no: the sausage bois from last ive seen were either run down and murder them, or just murder them in broad daylight while carchs being more clawing bleeding and stealing the literal flesh off bigger bois, though could be outdated and have variables clearly

[steady rock]

no no, i meant like prey

[jagged trellis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542776901442338816/1084208800384426014/IDK_Gandalf.png

[steady rock]

ITS A YES OR NO ANSWER

[jagged trellis]

uhhhhh maybe, i know they both had hadrosaurids( or something to that effect) and sauropods atleast, also depends which ones

[chilly knot]

I doubt it

[white matrix]

Derived abelis did

[wintry lily]

ok quick question, other than size what's the difference between Eotrike and trike (Eotriceratops and Triceratops)

[jagged trellis]

that eotrike is a bobble head

[wintry lily]

isnt that something they all had?

[bright veldt]

The most notable differences are proportional head sizes (Eotrike has a larger head for its body size) and more pronounced cheekbones afaik.

[jagged trellis]

kinda but like eotrike was the biggest example by far, its how we used to think it was bigger than trike itself before scaling it correctly

[wintry lily]

so Eotrike is a bigger trike with more pronounced head features (yes ik the paleo police are coming for me now XD)

[covert lintel]

eotrike is smaller

[jagged trellis]

moreso its a bobblehead with pronounced head features, hence why we used to think it was titanic

[bright veldt]

All we have of eotrike is the head and some ribs and vertebrae. If scaled using just the skull, then you get a larger animal then trike. However, vertebrae is more reliable, and when scaled that way you get an animal about the size of an average triceratops rather than an exceptionally large one. Eotriceratops just had a larger head for its body size than trike.

[covert lintel]

i think "biggest example by far" might've caused the confusion there

[jagged trellis]

and the paleo police are always coming, waiting for a chance to strike and show how little grass they touch

[stoic tinsel]

also something to note is that ingame eotrike is just trike for some reason

[bright veldt]

In terms of ceratopsid size, eotrike isn't even in the top 3 at the current moment.

[jagged trellis]

and then proceeding to say its how we used to think it was bigger than trike itself so i don't exactly see it( and it being in response to the bobble head statement)

[frigid coral]

ingame it’s bigger than any trike

[covert lintel]

that just makes it come off as contradictory/confusing from the standpoint of someone who doesn't already know how big eo is, imo

[stoic tinsel]

model wise its just trike, the other 2 species are based on prorsus and nedoceratops, which are both trikes

[jagged trellis]

why are we talking about the phrasing of something when we have the exact same point, and again i don't see it unless you specifically cut out the context

[wintry lily]

so Eotrike easly could be a trike with a bone growth disease affecting its head

[stoic tinsel]

no

[bright veldt]

Not quite. It lived earlier than triceratops and has enough differences. Ceratopsids can vary a lot individually within a species but eotrike's differences aren't ones really seen.

[neat drum]

if it were a case of stunting, eotrike's head would actually be smaller, and any congenetic issue that would cause a bobblehead would kill the animal before it hatched, or not long after it hatched

[heady thunder]

Eo just needed the bigger head to look smarter duh

[jagged trellis]

he became the very thing he wanted to avoid

[white matrix]

Has it turned smarter? 😉

[tacit pine]

did all pleisiosaurs have tail flukes?
or is it just speculation

[vocal breach]

So I’m thinking

Utahraptor weighs like 500 pounds right? Who would win between it and an equal weight grizzly bear

[jagged trellis]

utah is more like 800 pounds but it is indeed big, ngl id put my money on the bear seeing how more robust and stable it it, though utah did again deal with tougher foes so hmm, this one might come down to a skill issue, or just they ignore each other

[storm heron]

Depends on which Abelisaurs and which Carcharadontosaurs.

[pearl briar]

Yellow is eotrike while the greenish-blue is trike

[small dagger]

Amazing rex

My brain only thinking about what rex could have been
That trike looks really cool aswell! Wish eo looked a bit more like that, though definitly not that size

[bright veldt]

I don't think all of them but the vast majority did.

[bright veldt]

1,000 lbs*

[frigid coral]

sup

[small dagger]

hi

Current rex is just...
I dont even know what to say
Its just a bigger dasp the way it looks, it should have a slightly deeper chest and the head just needs a full remodel but Matt doesnt hear us sooooo.
XD
Kai kai needs help.....

[jolly gulch]

Current Rex is garbage. Like cmon. Rex’s had a bite that literally could kill a Dino bcuz of the bacteria in its mouth.

[blazing dagger]

The spino haunts me, not as badly as the puppy???? That ark has, but its rough.

[frigid coral]

Matt isn’t the guy to go to when it comes to model stuff, Jiggy does it afaik 👍

[small dagger]

This is rex. not whatever we have in game
Is there a legal way to get messages to jiggy?

[frigid coral]

I doubt it, but if you were to express your opinion enough it may eventually be heard

[small dagger]

I have expressed it alot
By alot i mean alot
rex really deserves to look nice especially when its probably the most popular dino its not a good look to have it look like a dog turd found on a New York city sidewalk

[nocturne cairn]

they could have read it by now but it can still be a while before it was changed. jiggy was around when people were originally complaining about rex iirc, so they have some idea of what to do with it if they ever change the model

[jolly gulch]

Model for Rex is one thing, but to bring an apex like the Rex and make him food to herbs that he should be dominating in a 1v1 is pretty hilarious. They’re also heavily overestimating the capabilities of the ano/anky.

[small dagger]

I doubt it, is jiggy ever really in the discord long enough to read critism?

[jolly gulch]

Either remove him completely or stop nerfing him

[nocturne cairn]

not as active in regular channels but they were around in backer chat when rex released and people were criticizing the model

[small dagger]

did they say anything, Im guessing not

[frigid coral]

here’s a random assortment of simple model accuracy issues that could be changed

1. spinos posture is kinda iffy, not sure how it bodes
2. Sophie stego specimen that the adult model is based on has been shown to be not fully matured, with the plates likely looking different at actual adulthood
3. Rex.
4. gimmie a moment to think

[small dagger]

I would like to dm this list to jiggy but thats not aloud

[blazing dagger]

The spinos arms in particular are the oddity to me, it seems like he wouldn’t be that spectacular at either fishing, scavenging or hunting. Dont get me wrong i love my spino but looking at him move bothers me and i cant quite put my finger on why.

[frigid coral]

I think the plates can tweaked a tad, but I’m not an expert on the creatures anatomy so I’ll wait for someone a tad more educated to comment on that

[jolly gulch]

Spino is just an oversized slow piece of meat that can get run down by every big herb. Lol. But regardless, he wasn’t much of a hunter as he was a scavenger. At least according to what the paleontologists have said.

[tiny holly]

I would suggest against trying to contact the devs directly about it at all. I can basically guarantee that they'd heard the critisism, but game dev has a lot of layers to it and they need to pick their focus. Rex has issues but it's at least passable, and so it can stay as is for now while they focus on other stuff. Maybe it'll get revisted in the future, though who knows.

[small dagger]

Nah your right, they are a bit too spaced out

[blazing dagger]

Sir, altho your spitting straight facts. I dont like it lol

[jolly gulch]

I think the biggest thing is this, give the carnivores some love. Stop focusing so much on the herbivores.

[small dagger]

Ah the future, AKA 2050

[frigid coral]

Most the carnivores have gotten remodels as of recent, but this is more for #ptb-non-bug-discussion and #path-of-titans than it is for here

[tiny holly]

Honestly the plates on stego are fine imo, they're conservative size wise but that's not inherently an issue. The biggest inaccuracy with stego now is that stego's body shape as an adult is pretty different from the specimen PoT's stego is based on

[frigid coral]

yeah, they just bother me a little but nothing major

a lot of the dinosaurs need retooling when it comes to posture

[tiny holly]

realistically stego is an orb with limbs basically. Musculature diagram uses outdated specimen too but does the job in showing how broad stego is

[tacit pine]

oh ok

[small dagger]

I understand your opinion
But imo rex is not really passable, due to the fact that its such a recently made model and yet looks like one they made when the game first came out

[frigid coral]

The model is more than likely an older one, could definitely use some retooling but older releases need it more imo

[tiny holly]

We don't know when it was made tbf, just when it was released. Might be an older one that they sat on for a while for some reason or another. But I'll still stand by it being passable. Textures are a little iffy and needs a little facelift to meet some accuracy standards. But it still looks like rex so it does what it needs to for the time being

[woeful falcon]

Its likely it wasn't recently made

[jolly gulch]

Rex model couldn’t have been a recent one. It’s just a larger dasp with an uglier face

[blazing dagger]

Its a face only a momma rex could love

[tiny holly]

I wouldn't give much credit to the whole "rex is just a tweaked dasp" theory I've seen thrown around a lot, it doesn't actually hold up when you really compare the two models.

[jolly gulch]

I purposely made a speed Rex bcuz the balanced or attack one was so ugly

[small dagger]

I just want the poor thing to get a face lift
I mean the devs got so much hate for the model on its release you would think they would remodel it especially when to this day they are still getting alot of hate for it.

[covert lintel]

spinosaurus was a hunter, but not a terrestrial one

[woeful falcon]

Any "just a big das" take isn't worth much and shows little understanding of the animals. Its a rex. Its not the prettiest, but its a rex.

[small dagger]

Facts
its not an upscaled dasp model
the two models actually share no features other than textures cause its the same game

[tiny holly]

In game dev you're used to critisism. A very important part of game dev in fact is knowing which feedback is critical and should be addressed asap, which feedback is important but can be addressed later, and which feedback isn't worth paying any mind at all. A lot of people don't like the rex, but it's not the only model to get negative feedback, so why should it take priority?

[jolly gulch]

I understand. So give us more fish! Hahaha. Let me feed in peace on my spino hahaha. But anyways, back to my gripe on the Rex. I’m not saying it’s JUST a big dasp. However, you can’t deny the fact that the model used for this Rex is definitely lacking compared to other Dino games out there currently

[blazing dagger]

Because ignoring your tiny community is a proven method of ensuring your game isnt remembered.

[covert lintel]

tbf, kai came out even more recently than rex, and... well... it aint good
i think rex could be a recent model if we take that into account

[small dagger]

It definitly got the most backlash thats why
they had to shut off the discord due to all the hate

[tiny holly]

It got the most backlash because it's rex and people had high standards, not because its the worst. There are other models that imo needed attention WAY more, people just care about rex more

[frigid coral]

If the devs listened to everything the ‘tiny community’ said, the entire roster besides lambeo, kentro, struthi, deino, and maybe kai would be gone

[jolly gulch]

I agree. The Kai model was pretty bad as well. However, bcuz of how empty it is currently in the ocean, no one really realizes how ugly it really is

[woeful falcon]

I jot that down to it being old. You know what though

It shows that a lot of people appreciate when it looks good or accurate. Even if they don't understand all the intricacies, the appreciation for it is still there

[covert lintel]

i do think rex could use a remodel, but yeah, there's models in the game that need an overhaul much more desperately than rex does. it's bland, but it looks okay

[small dagger]

And i love that
Where so many people who arent always educated in the field love the accuracy
Its just nice to see that accuracy is becoming cool

[tiny holly]

I do still have my fingers crossed for rex getting a revisit at some point don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's worth kicking a fuss over for the time being. Just a shame its meh

[woeful falcon]

looks at barsboldia and sty

[jolly gulch]

Bars. Big ole ugly tank that can smack me around with its tail

[small dagger]

I agree with this
But i still really want rex remodel (hyperfixation go brrrr)

[woeful falcon]

Suchomimus was the worst culprit of this previously but now, chef's kiss, arguably one of the best in the game

[jolly gulch]

Jumping topics now, bcuz I’m too sensitive over my Rex, which models are you most impressed with

[small dagger]

I do understand its not the most urgent remodel needed but it is to me XD
Cant let that blind me though, opinions are opinions, not truths

[tiny holly]

Anodonto easy. Crisp, beautiful textures and actually looks like anodonto, with subspecies that take inspiration from other related ankylosaurs

[frigid coral]

tie between Cerato and conca tbh, the remodel looks so nice and real I can’t explain it

[jolly gulch]

I definitely agree. Ano and cerato are on my top atm

[woeful falcon]

Conca, Sucho, Ano and Alberta

Honorable mention goes to Alio

[small dagger]

Worst models in your opinions
(Mine are, in order Kai, Rex, Thal, Sty ect)

[nocturne gazelle]

Remodel campto looks pretty great too

[junior dawn]

whats wrong with thalassos model other than the slightly shorter neck

[jolly gulch]

Speaking of thal. That sound is obnoxious and hilarious at the same time

[woeful falcon]

Thal's model is fine for me its just absurdly huge. But otherwise, Kai, Sty, Lambeo and Bars

And maybe one other I'm forgetting but namely those

[small dagger]

Wings are inaccurate and the weird cape of pycnofibers rather than an actual coat is just... ew

[nocturne gazelle]

Kai, stego, styraco, and bars are all rough around the edges.

Thal just needs some cooler crest options and a downsize otherwise it's fine. Though textures make it seemingly lacking the "feathers" it should have.

If you look closely at thal it does have the pycnofiber textures. all down its body, but the only 3d modeled ones are on the neck portion.

[woeful falcon]

You can call em feathers. That or pycnofibers but ay whats the difference

[junior dawn]

kai, struthi, bars, lambeo, and sty for me

and what about thalassos wings is inaccurate? also the feather covering is perfectly reasonable, we dont know to which extent feathers covered larger pterosaurs and PoT thalassos coat is perfectly reasonable afaik

[small dagger]

the way they fold
see how when folded almost all of the wing membrane is retracted to the bones. this was the condition in most if not all pterosaurs

[frigid coral]

rex, kai, old sucho, spino, and stego

[junior dawn]

oh that. i dont consider that a model thing, thats more of an animation thing but i see what you mean. Ig if you want to consider that then yeah

[nocturne gazelle]

Yea I think that's just really difficult to translate onto a model.

[small dagger]

Examples on other pterosaur species

[last iron]

My boy hatz by my fav paleoartists

[small dagger]

No clue how they would animate that though
Will you be making a rex remodel (your own, not PoT+)?
Also hows this rex remodel concept accuracy wise?

[steady rock]

is chasmosaurus still valid? WHY IS THERE A MINUTE AND 30 COOLDOWN?

[junior dawn]

thats pretty nice. I assume you used the saurian rex as a reference for the lips tho. Id advise against that personally at least, they gave it extremely meaty lips, mammalian to a degree. Using reptiles should give it a nicer looking mouth, imo

[jolly gulch]

They want us to carefully jot our thoughts down without having the discord page spammed with single comments like mine.

[steady rock]

this is discord not a school project

[stuck chasm]

Our chat cooldowns are in place to help moderators and staff manage high traffic in those channels. Once the traffic is low or when multiple staff members are monitoring the channel, the cooldown will be altered accordingly. Otherwise, conversations related to the chat cooldown are considered off-topic and may make you liable for a mute if continued

[small dagger]

No i didnt actually
Just used some different specimines as a reference and made a sort of composite using different features taken from different specimines
(Listening to Prehistoric Planet )

[jolly gulch]

I agree. The lips are a bit too big for my liking. However, much better rendition than I can come up with.

[small dagger]

Also its alright to go a bit more meaty with your dinos
when you look at some modern birds with very very extravagant meaty bits its not to far off the rocker to think of a rex with thick lips

Took some off
Might be better as a more intermediate between mamallian and reptilian

[rose thorn]

PT seems to have done it with their Quetz, and the Isle’s Pteranodon has better shirked up wings than PoT Thal
That said, Thal’s model isn’t bad, just off putting textures

[junior dawn]

im confused at both your messages ngl lol. Fossils dont show lips, so using different features from different specimens cant give you meatier lips. As for the 2nd one, yeah ofc, but birds dont have lips, and oral tissue is nothing like display tissue. They have completely different functions. The closest example I can think of is crocodile monitors, that have massive lips, but thats for a reason. They have extremely big teeth, so its not a good comparison. Id advise looking at reptiles that have a similar "teeth size to head size ratio" to call it something
but yeah, overall its a nice drawing

[nocturne gazelle]

I haven't seen pt quetz, but ptera on the isle looks sort of gross imo. It has a really strange curve on its wings when folded up. By folding up the wings better its also caused odd bends and stuff too.

[small dagger]

Honestly i think i liked it with the thicker lips
Really anything is possible. and with the size of its teeth maybe it did have large lips like a Crocidile Monitor

[steady rock]

I tried my best on a size comparison, did I do good?

[junior dawn]

Croc monitors have much bigger teeth proportionally tho, so its not a good reference
if you like bigger lips tho thats fine ofc

[rose thorn]

Oh their Ptera is disgusting, but the way they modeled the wings is stellar. PT Quetz

[small dagger]

Yeah, tbh most of the lip tissue looking like the saurian rex is just because of the angle of the drawing
I tried to make it looking like it was slightly glancing at the viewer so you could se a little bit of the other side of the head but not much

[rose thorn]

That Chasmosaurus is pretty grossly oversized. Chasmo is incredibly dinky

[nocturne gazelle]

Yea that looks stellar.

Isle pt for reference. It doesn't look nearly as good as that quetz. They got the wings to fold up a bit more but at the cost of this weird semi circle on the wing. Not trying to bash, but just using it as an example of how making wings seems to be a difficult thing to do.

[rose thorn]

Yea, I imagine it’s quite difficult to animate properly while trying to prevent overt clipping or mesh issues, but a number of other pterosaur models do a better job portraying that is all I’m really saying

I imagine that Hatz and Rhamphorhynchus will look better, as Jiggy will be more familiar with pterosaur wings

[nocturne gazelle]

Clipping, stretching, stuff like that. I get what you're saying, the other versions do get the point across better. I wonder if the devs decided that it wouldn't be worth the hassle of trying to figure it out.

At least in the short term.

[rose thorn]

I think it was just them rushing. They’ve gone over and are going over models for tlc like this and greater, so I def see Thal getting a sort of facelift at least a year from now

[nocturne gazelle]

Could be

[stoic tinsel]

i mean BoB figured out how to do it correctly with their new ptera so no one has an excuse anymore

[elfin pulsar]

Really? What’s that look like

[stoic tinsel]

new sai as well

altho unfortunately BoB is cursed to have really great models made that become inaccurate down the line like krono, para and acro

i think apa too i could be wrong tho

[pearl briar]

Hey there!
I reccomend you to use this skeletal

[stoic tinsel]

yeah apa too

[steady rock]

achelosaurus and pentaceratops
or
chasmosaurus and pachyrinosaurus
could they live together?

[little mauve]

Achelousaurus & Pentaceratops were from roughly the same time but different places. Chasmosaurus & Pachyrhinosaurus it's the opposite.

[bright veldt]

What's wrong with um?

[stoic tinsel]

Krono is based on old skeletal iirc para is also based on an old skeletal and acro just needs some edits, and apa is also based on an old skeletal

[pearl briar]

[nocturne gazelle]

Do you have the updated skeletals to show us the outdated aspects?

[pearl briar]

eh here's what i can find atm

[stoic tinsel]

That skeletal is sachicasaurus

There aren't any good krono skeletals because kronos description is bad

[nocturne gazelle]

Well then how is bobs krono supposed to be good???

[jagged trellis]

it just is

[stoic tinsel]

It was good before most of the krono stuff became sachisaurus

[nocturne gazelle]

That still doesn't explain why krono is bad. How is krono supposed to have a model accurate to the skeletal when all the skeletals are bad? Why would they try at that point?

[stoic tinsel]

Again most of krono was reassigned to sachicasaurus, the material from kronosaurus queenslandicus is poorly described so any attempts at a skeletal or reconstruction are to be taken with a grain of salt

[nocturne gazelle]

Sounds like what is inaccurate then is the name. They might as well pull a megalosaurus and rename it to sachicasaurus.

[stoic tinsel]

Well you see their megalosaurus model before they changed the name was a pretty awful megalo model

[nocturne gazelle]

According to you their krono isn't great either so... 🤷‍♂️

[stoic tinsel]

Yeah it's not

[nocturne gazelle]

So change the name to Sachi if the skeletal they based it off is now belonging to Sachi.

And whats wrong with the apato? (best screenshot I could find and I don't have the game downloaded atm to get a better one) Seems pretty close to the skeletal posted.

[stoic tinsel]

Proportions and the posture of the neck iirc

[nocturne gazelle]

Doesn't seem that far off. Maybe the necks a bit too long.

Could use some more curves too ig.

And what about their para?

[keen forum]

has a really short tail and the female crest is based on a younger animal thats not fully grown

[nocturne gazelle]

Oh interesting

[bright veldt]

I'm really confused as to how a single skeletal dictates exactly how an animal should look. I understand that these animals can change quite a bit over time but there's really not a major issue with any of BoB's newest models (outside of sexually dimorphic para).

Palaeophis is also a bit off admittedly (ontop of being huge, even for it).

[nocturne gazelle]

Yea I feel like all of that is super nitpicky tbh (aside from para sexual dimorphism). If anything they're exactly why striving for paleo perfection is just... not a good idea.

Ah true palaeo is funky

[neat drum]

and even the sexual dimorphism, even if inaccurate, isn't exactly "bad"

and it goes without saying that BoB's rex is one of the best rexes in these kinds of games atm, its animations are a bit wonky but the model itself is

on palaeophis, i have no real comments since its def inaccuate...but im hella impress that they are pulling off an at least semi-convincing snake

[nocturne gazelle]

I did my best with what I had available to me but para doesn't look that bad at all. Maybe posture but it's not like the tail is obscenely short. Maybe a bit too thin vertically.

[tiny holly]

yeah i think what doesnt help bob is even though a lot of their recent models are really good in terms of general quality, there's a stiffness to the way they're posed and animated that makes them look off imo

[nocturne gazelle]

Yea bobs models look really nice but the new animations play almost like they're sped up.

[neat drum]

iirc its to help avoid hit reg issues n whatnot, case of functionality over aesthetics, but it def doesn't look The Best

though the animations for like their lurdu are p dope

[nocturne gazelle]

Apato doesn't look too far off as well. Aside from the tail obviously.

I would have gone into the game myself and gotten better side view default posture screenshots but I currently don't have the game downloaded

[neat drum]

i have a soft spot in my heart for BoB despite me rarely playing it

[nocturne gazelle]

Same. Clocked in 2k hours. I don't play much anymore, got the game in December 2018 the day after steam release. I sometimes go through old bob screenshots and get nostalgic even though the games probably (read: definitely) better now.

[neat drum]

the new models that have been teased(save palaeophis) have been really nice on the accuracy scale too imo

like, first dino game to get a pterosaur right

[nocturne gazelle]

I hope they'll get to remodeling elasmo... that one has definitely... aged. Sai too but we've seen the new one already.

Tbf it took them a while to get pt right...

ahem randoll death roll...

ahem 2k damage a peck

[bright veldt]

Yeah BoB has gaming's best pterosaurs. By far.

[neat drum]

it did take em a while but the new iteration is , miles better than current ptera

the new sai also looks p cool, i like his bulb nose, the megaraptor is one of the nicer models in the game in both the looks and animation wise, i like him, the rex is baller to look at

[nocturne gazelle]

Does pc:e count because those are pretty fun too.

Have they changed pts playstyle at all or is it just a remodel? (A bit off topic but we'll loop back around)

[keen forum]

no the tail is pretty short thats the hartman para

[bright veldt]

I'm missing where the difference is significant.

[nocturne gazelle]

I'm just going off the skeletal others posted here

You got a better skeletal on hand?

[bright veldt]

afaik it's getting an ability that greatly boosts its aerial agility

[hasty wharf]

That apatos body looks… short?

[neat drum]

PC:E's pterosaurs are ver inaccurate boyos, but also the most fun boyos so they get a pass, same with...well most of the PC dinos, game is just Fun so accuracy isn't the mainstay imo

and yeah BoB ptera is basically getting a super agile dogfighter ability that lets it outturn the tropeo

[nocturne gazelle]

Oooooh right I remember hearing about that. Pretty cool. Might reinstall if it runs better than it did previously.

[bright veldt]

People aren't used to seeing sauropods to scale. Apatosaurus and Tyrannosaurus have always been oddly around the same height despite the former's much greater general size.

[neat drum]

most sauropods are just Long, and not particularly tall

[nocturne gazelle]

Idk someone else posted it earlier so I just went off it.

Idk if this is better.

The thing I notice about bobs apato is it seems to hold its tail very high. Assuming for clipping reasons.

[neat drum]

its also attached to the head movements in a way so it often is up high because of that, but yeah, its again a functionality thing to keep clipping and hit reg issues to a min

[keen forum]

here's bob's para outlined with the skull's to about the same size compared to the newer recon

[bright veldt]

Yeah I'm sorry that's not really a significant difference.

[nocturne gazelle]

Para seems a bit shorter in bob but that's probably because it's legs aren't stiff as a board like the skeletal are.

[bright veldt]

Slight proportion differences are not really something to be concerned with most of the time.

[neat drum]

BoB's animations may not be pretty, but there aint none of this biting into the body of your attacker and not hitting nonsense

also yeah thats not a huge difference, esp since the tail length seems to vary from skeletal to skeletal

also yep! i cannot stand skeletal posed dinos(PoT is a major offender of this), they would not be stiff as a board with their heads level with their topline all the time, they'd be...loose and lifelike

[keen forum]

that is quite a lot, that tail is the difference can cause effect on bipedality not only that the shape of the tail is really short as well. To be honest if a theropod had that type of change it would be pretty big ex. the whole meraxes tail to the rest of the carchs

[bright veldt]

You're talking about things that really don't make a difference to people that don't care about these specifics though. An actual example of proportions being a problem was everything about PoT's sucho before the most recent update to it. It felt like a different animal.

[nocturne gazelle]

I was so weirded out by pot sucho for the longest time and didn't know why until people showed me the comparison. Bob para is just... para. Looks good might be on the small side but other than that a short tail isn't much to complain about.

[neat drum]

theres also stylization to take into consideration too, esp with BoB, which does have some features more exaggerated or modified to add a certain look to em, they def are not going for 100% accuracy, it just so happens that some of their designs are just very accurate even with the modifications

[bright veldt]

I personally consider accuracy to be a spectrum. There's just a certain point where there was clearly enough work and research done to make the animal look accurate that it succeeds, even if there's still a few things wrong. Even the average dino nerd that knows their way around accurate dinosaurs won't notice a lot of the nickpicks some others give.

[keen forum]

I mean this kinda does make para feel like one if you put the bob para hip to hip with with newer recons you can see a large partion of the tail is missing and doesn't fell like it holds the same weight nor size and even could rob it of some features that could be used in game

[nocturne gazelle]

Paras short tail actually works out for it in game. It has a back kick which wouldn't be as effective if opponents could snipe the tail.

Also para feels plenty heavy in game without as beefy of a tail.

[neat drum]

it also would have a harder time shaking its booty at attackers with that tail

[nocturne gazelle]

💀 Oh I forgot about the emotes in that game...

[keen forum]

with almost a a 3rd of the tail gone and i just feel that could have pushed para to either be a better swimmer or a attack that would actually do something for para in game its kick doesn't really stop acro, meg or rex and the swim speed to escape is rather slow para just feels less compared to to things like acro and more of a match up with megalo, XD also to go with that joke with that tail para would have massive card fem that would look better in the dance

[bright veldt]

Like, pardon me if this sounds pedantic, but I feel like sometimes people are too critical over things even when it's in the top 10% of dinosaur reconstructions. Like trying to tell me Prehistoric Planet got the trike segment wrong because "there's no caves in Hell Creek" like we'd bloody know that. People need to understand we're not going to know everything and being critical in such a way is wrong.

[nocturne gazelle]

I'm sure there would also be a bit of variety in terms of proportions. Just look at michael Phelps or... any basketball player

[bright veldt]

Just, again, most people that know about accurate dinosaurs aren't gunna notice things like this. At that point I feel like people need to relax. It's still accurate at that point.

[nocturne gazelle]

There are no caves in ba sing se

[neat drum]

also the thing with media people tend to forget is that accurate =/= good design

[keen forum]

To be fair bobs model are for the most part great and the game play is fun at times but i just feel like with a animal that struggling to be a decent playable on the game case its getting clapped form things it can defend or escape you kinda wish it had other weapons or attacks to kind help with that and with that kinda tail it leans to help the game play then just be mad cause its not accurate, with out mixed herds para is pretty much a sitting duck in game

[nocturne gazelle]

The irony here is I just saw someone complaining about op bob para yesterday...

I remember roaming around with a para herd clapping rexes on official... good days.

Also how does a slightly shorter tail prevent it from being viable?

[keen forum]

i've been seeing the opposite cause para is getting face tanked by acros and its tail eating by megs on a few other servers, Also i had two para try my rex took them both down before they got my health to health,

Para has no way to really deal with the mid tiers or anything on its tail the back kick does nothing but push it back with no dmg but most things with stoic laugh at that and stay on it

[nocturne gazelle]

I don't think paras slightly shorter tail is the cause of that...

Para could use a buff but it's not a sitting duck or completely unviable.

[keen forum]

When there's a 3rd of the tail that is gone that is a bit more than slightly imo and from what i seen from leaderboards para isn't sitting to well

[neat drum]

blanking on good examples of this but plenty of examples of the inverse

like Primal's rex, not accurate at all, not even close, stylization aside, but a fantastic design thats wonderful to look at

by comparison a lot of paleo-accurate designs kinda lose the charm(like all of those redos of the OG jurassic park with an accurate rex, yes its "more accurate" but in changing the accuracy, you lose some of the charm the OG design had)

Prehistoric Planet blew everyone out of the water because paleo-accurate designs with charm and character, they arn't some stiff skeletal-posed models doing boring stuff(which, surprisingly, is what a lot of folks wanted...)

[bright veldt]

Eh I'm alright with it myself. Rexes are a nightmare but aside from that it's ok. I know Para has a good matchup against acro in particular.

[nocturne gazelle]

Especially if it can get behind. Just don't try stomping out a playable that nerfs your damage.

[keen forum]

sadly at the moment speed combat acros are the meta and speed combat acros they kinda make para life rather rough you can't really tail ride that acro and it starts off nerfing ur dmg ( and EB on acro is kinda scary for para too )

[nocturne gazelle]

I always played combat survival para and hoped for nimble inherits. It worked when I used it against acros but struggled a bit against megs.

[keen forum]

I haven't seen combat survival paras now adays on titania i wish would and yeah megalos and megaraptors kinda abuse u at that point and raps evasive is pretty annoying to deal with in groups

[nocturne gazelle]

True megaraptors exist. I wonder if you would be able to combine the kick to turn around fast enough to stomp but I doubt it.

Aaaaaaanyway. Paleo chat. Do we know if kai would have been primarily filter feeding or would it be sifting through the sand/muck?

[neat drum]

likely both, things with teeth like that often can do multiple methods depending on the prey

sift the muck for clams and crabs, filter for krill out of the water, or rocket through squid/fish breeding aggregations(all stuff the filter feeding seals do, not perfect comparisons but close enough when talking broadly like this)

[nocturne gazelle]

There are filter feeding seals? 👀

[neat drum]

yeah

walrus are suction feeders who eat clams but they aint who im talking about, the crabeater, ross, and leopard seals are the real filter feeders

(oddly enough the weddell seal, their 4th cousin, is a plain ol fish eater, and despite their penguin eating tendencies leopard seals are more specialized into krill filtering than the crabbeater seal, which p much only eats krill)

[nocturne gazelle]

Interesting, I never knew leopard seals were built for that sort of thing.

[neat drum]

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f783a1b584e933b1ba21f0e13dcc9767-lq

[nocturne gazelle]

Gnarly teeth

[neat drum]

their teeth make a net that catches krill

[nocturne gazelle]

But they decide to murder penguins instead

[rose thorn]

I mean, walrus are usually mollusk suction feeders, but they use those same lips to suck the brains of seals and small whales out through their nose

[neat drum]

orcas when the bull walrus decides to whip out the ol Naval Prolapse trick:

[nocturne gazelle]

I'm convinced the ocean is a horror movie

[pearl briar]

i forgor ampelosaurus exist 💀

[pearl briar]

guys so let me get this straight
Having bird as a pet = having dinosaurs as a pet?
Birds are dinos, dinos are archosaur, archosaur are reptile, so this means birds are reptiles?
we (human) are a fish?

[elfin pulsar]

Well, the fish part is at least definitely not true lol

[nocturne gazelle]

Humans may have come from fish but we no longer share similarities between them. Birds do have some things in common with dinosaurs still. At least enough to consider them related.

A lot of species will be related if you go far back enough (life had to have started from somewhere) but we change enough to be classified as a different group.

[magic jacinth]

The funny avian theropods

[heady thunder]

They nerfed my boys so hard.

[tiny holly]

Technically speaking it is, cladistically at least. Anatomically we are not fish but due to the weird relations of what we call "fish", either all living tetrapods (us included) are fish or certain fish groups like sharks are not. It's for much the same reason as the whole "birds are dinosaurs, thus birds are reptiles, to say otherwise means crocodiles are not reptiles" but with extra steps

[pearl briar]

hey uhh...
i'm sorry for bringing this but...
i remastered sm of my first dinos size info
one of them is spino size info
my question is...
how accurate? (if there any innacurasies i will fix it)

[heady thunder]

Stuff like posture and some details might be off, but spoon hasnt had any downsize iirc, so the length and weight should be ight.

[leaden vigil]

What do we know about hyneria

[iron lake]

crab eater seal? they have sick teeth

[pearl briar]

uhh iirc the original fossils came from two localities in Pennsylvania, United States, one found between the villages of North Bend and Hyner and another near Emporium. They consisted of a disarticulated partial skull and fragments of the shoulder girdle. The fossils were found in the Catskill Formation of the Red Hill Shale, dating to the upper Devonian. These were the only remains known until 1993 when a renewed collecting effort discovered abundant new material. Hyneria is considered the largest and most common lobe-finned fish found in the Red Hill Shale. In February 2023 a second species of Hyneria, H. udlezinye, was named from remains discovered in the Waterloo Farm lagerstätte. These remains include the skull and shoulder girdle.

abt the size i don't know to much but iirc again H. lindae is estimated around 2.5–3 metres (8.2–9.8 ft) in total length, while H. uldezinye, was once estimated at range between 2–4 metres (6.6–13.1 ft) before being described, However, the species description estimates that the largest specimen belongs to an animal about 2.7 metres (8.9 ft).

Based on an unpublished specimen (it is not mentioned which species it belongs to), Hyneria was possibly able to reach up to 3.5 metres (11 ft) long.

Its skull had heavy, ornamented dermal bones and its lower jaw was relatively long and shallow. The teeth were stout, with those of the premaxilla forming fangs upwards of 5 cm (2 in). Its body was covered by cycloid scales. It had large sensory canals to aid in detection of possible prey, as the freshwater environment it inhabited likely was murky and had low visibility. Adult individuals retained juvenile features (i.e. partially unossified skeletons), suggesting that they were likely neotenic (delaying or slowing of the physiological, or somatic, development of an organism, typically an animal.)

[stoic tinsel]

Taxonomically yes all tetrapods are fish as we belong to the group sarcopterygia which is a specific group of fish

[woeful falcon]

How do ya do fellow fish

[covert lintel]

sharing similarities is not what determines whether or not two clades are related; these days taxonomy is based around evolutionary relationships, not morphology. birds are dinosaurs because they're directly descended from dinosaurs, not because of the anatomical similarities they have with some dinosaurs. we're lobe-finned fish because all tetrapods descend from lobe-finned fish, despite how different most tetrapods are from animals like coelacanths.

[last iron]

They WHAT

[sudden wind]

This Sachica skeletal doesn't really belong to Sachicasaurus : now it is Monquirasaurus.

Also it has articulation issues and it's too deep.

[chilly knot]

https://twitter.com/DanPalaeon1/status/1639305687162396673?s=20

Dan Folkes (@DanPalaeon1)

Rising to fame in the documentary Walking with Dinosaurs, #Placerias hesternus represents one of the last of the dicynodonts, surviving to the norian (Late Triassic). At the end of the Triassic, these large synapsids would become extinct, ushering in the age of the dinosaurs.

Twitter · Mar 24, 2023, 4:38 PM

[last iron]

I’m so glad they’re extinct they look like they’re constantly in agony

[mellow gale]

Aren’t we all

[scenic flame]

huh, so wwd actually had some pretty good anatomy for this guy

[scenic flame]

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08912963.2023.2190760 new Sinosaurus specimen

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512496784547905547/1088810598650880030/image.png

[leaden vigil]

Dayum, ty for the info!

[little mauve]

What a gorgeous skull! That's absolutely fantastic

[jagged trellis]

bro got sent to the shadow realm

[steady rock]

is that even possible for the size or carno and puert? ToT

[jagged trellis]

ima be real: i don't wanna find out, because that seems like it'd hurt

[steady rock]

who got it worse, carno or maip

[jagged trellis]

carno easily just look at how fast it gets flung as a bigger animal vs le maip, carno gets shadow realmed and maip got ragdolled

[steady rock]

maybe maip is just fat

[iron lake]

http://www.oldearth.org/curriculum/dinosaur/dinosaur_curriculum_home.htm yo is this a reliable source?

[woeful falcon]

Looking through it, it's just wikipedia articles but outdated by who knows how many years so, def not

[last iron]

Why are carnos attacking a sauropod 💀💀

[jagged trellis]

they tried their best ok

[opaque bronze]

the carno is gonna be ok, he just has maybe about 4 or 5 minor severe concussions

[stiff osprey]

he broke every bone in his body, a minor inconvenience

[deft lagoon]

Both dinosaurs can just walk it off. 😌

[jagged trellis]

haven't you heard, laughter is the best medicine, so he'll just laugh off being sent to the gates of doom by that tail

[pearl briar]

....
is it just me or the carno run looked like slow

[pearl briar]

looks like dan didn't include a 1.8 meters tall human for comparison lately eh?
maybe he just making the skeletal

[dusky galleon]

Prehistoric Planet bachelor Carnotaurus would never get yeeted that far or even hurt at all by that sauropod. He is an embodiment of chadness among abelisaurids who all aspire to be like. He can one shot Gods, Goddesses, Demons, Eldrich Abominations, Lovecratian Horrors, Kanjiu and more with a single swat of his ripped arms.

[chilly knot]

humans overrated lel

[dusky galleon]

Also he is quite beefy for a Carnotaurus. He must work out at the gym for like six hours per day.

[pearl briar]

what a based "meat eating bull" 🐂

[tough parcel]

@pearl briar

[pearl briar]

oh
Thank you @tough parcel i appreciate ur help

[pearl briar]

oooo
who is that in brownish fur and green?

[chilly knot]

your mo-

[tough parcel]

Coelophysis is the theropod, green is Postosuchus

[pearl briar]

oh that's cool the trio of triassic

[jagged trellis]

god posto is smaller than i thought

[heady thunder]

Everything seems to be getting a downsize these days.

[opaque bronze]

postosuchus and coelophysis, i think

[small dagger]

Time for my daily complaint about recent model accuracy

https://tenor.com/view/tyrannosaurus-cute-rex-t-rex-tyrannosaurus-rex-gif-25447189

This is what we could have had for our rex The actual animal and we got the stanky uncanny boi.

[woeful falcon]

I mean, besides the lack of keratin and proper and defined horns is PoT's rex all that inaccurate? I mean sure its not the prettiest model on the block but inaccurate wasn't the first thing to come to mind

[jagged trellis]

PoTs rex is less kai in the fact its both ugly and inaccurate, or metri in being inaccurate, or thal being....playstyle wise, id say its insert generic rex and we're done here, next playable, in that way

[woeful falcon]

I had to read that twice lol.

[jagged trellis]

make it 3 then, since 3rd times the charm

[woeful falcon]

Well I got it the second time so, no need haha. That's a valid way to look at it I suppose.

[jagged trellis]

like my thing with rex here is: jp rex is inaccurate now but was accurate then AND its own thing, Ark rex is mega inaccurate but again is its own thing, PoTs rex is semi accurate but....not its own thing, its A rex, not PoT rex is my point, only can identify it if you actively look for it, other playables have this but not the same extent

[acoustic light]

In my opinion the PoT Tyrannosaurus is easily recognizable as its own generally speaking, but it's not a good design. The head is so rounded like that of the old models, the body textures are so lackluster, the eyes are so spread apart, the eye texture looks ugly, etc. I don't think it's as bad as people say, people exaggerate a lot and talk like if they knew what they were saying in most cases, but generally speaking its not a nice looking Tyrannosaurus.

[stoic tinsel]

its head and neck are the only issues on it

[acoustic light]

The textures are a smaller issue in my opinion, but the head looks awful. The lack of bosses and the overall roundness make it look so ugly. And then the dumb "bataar" subspecies that doesn't look like Tarbosaurus, not even remotely.

[severe field]

A rex species called like tarbosaurus but looking like an albertosaurus (an ugly one)

[small dagger]

Yeah
to be honest when the model in not only ugly but also inaccurate their was a clear mistake made and it needs fixing

[deft sigil]

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[small dagger]

We were talking about the accuracy of a model
which would go in paleo chat correct?

[steady rock]

would stegosaurus and amarga serve a similar niche?

[small dagger]

scan, What dinos do you think should be remodeled?

[steady rock]

i need a accurate baja/amarga reconstruction

[small dagger]

This amarga is quite accurate,
Im a huge fan of Max Bellimos work he makes such amazing models

anyway,
lets continue, what models do you think need remodels?

i mean when you look at how accurate and amazing the models are made by one person on their free time for fun.. it just sucks that this looks better than a dev team made of multiple people.
(Max Bellimo is incredibly talented though)

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Regarding #paleontology do not discuss the game/media itself, this should be of little focus of discussions in this channel. All conversations in this channel must be associated with paleontological discoveries, scientific news, and depictions of prehistoric creatures in media in relation to paleontology.

[frigid coral]

wouldn’t discussing the depictions of prehistoric creatures in PoT count as media that relates to paleontology

[small dagger]

^
some of the rules in this server really make no sence

[covert lintel]

discussion of the accuracy of PoT's models is a conversation about depictions of prehistoric creatures in paleontology-related media, same as discussing the accuracy of JWE's models

[summer goblet]

Deinosuchus with feathers

[small dagger]

I do mean this with respect, I just dont understand why we cant discuss accuracy of ingame models?

[deft sigil]

discussing accuracy =/= stating a model is dumb, ugly, stanky
Please move onwards from this topic.

[jagged trellis]

me when talking about paleo stuff goes against the rules talking about paleo stuff

[small dagger]

We are just stating our opinions, Apoligies

[covert lintel]

not a fan of the entire discussion being stopped dead in its tracks because some messages weren't worded ideally, but alright

[small dagger]

Again koala these our our opinions so it doesnt seem fair to punish someone for that

Everything you said is true aswell
Scans vid says it best "After amargasaurus, PoT designs have fallin the ----- off".
We know they can do better in terms of accuracy and they have, look what they did with campto, they should do the same for rex and kai. Just because they are new releases doesnt mean they shouldnt be fixed

Ok. why

[storm heron]

What is the purpose of the large ears of African Elephants?

[small dagger]

Thermo regulation and intimidation
theres also others

[storm heron]

Thermoregulation, how? also, what are the "others"?

[pearl briar]

bro wtf

[pearl briar]

no the purpose is smth called H E A R I N G

[stiff osprey]

The ears increase surface area, allowing more heat to flow out of the body

[small dagger]

I was talking about other than that XD

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[woeful falcon]

sinosaurus ay

[fluid ridge]

Spino do be slapping

[steady rock]

can this channel just be turned into a general science chat? so we can discuss prehestoric life and other types of science including animals that are living currently?

[woeful falcon]

You're not the first to ask that, you won't be the last.

[nocturne gazelle]

Unfortunately we would have to make a #suggestions for that which... let's be honest, isn't going to change anything.

It's weird that we get shunned when discussing paleo accuracy in #path-of-titans yet when we come here to discuss we are told that it's off topic somehow to extensively discuss the paleo accuracy of the game and various media.

If one person was being disrespectful then remind them of the rule about respect, don't make it seem like we were talking off topic.

[woeful falcon]

Its just barking up a tree everyone's barked up already. Personally I'd welcome the topic extending to extant animals but won't change so.

But I'm as irritated with complaints as people are with complaining, so lets find a topic to discuss shall we. Cool new Sinosaurus stuff dropped today. I haven't got a chance to look at it yet besides images of its skull

[woeful falcon]

This stuff

[stoic tinsel]

bruh why does sinosaurus get the cool skull material while dilo is stuck with this

[woeful falcon]

Throwback to when that alone was cool Sino comes in and one ups it

Dilo cooler overall though 🥱

I wanna see a comparison of Random's and synopsis's dilo skeletals but I don't want to make it because I'm lazy so someone put them together for me

[pearl briar]

the hell is a differences between dilo and sino????

[cold sphinx]

there is one...maybe

[stoic tinsel]

iirc sinos skull is a bit more robust

[storm heron]

Ah, yea, so it helps to avoid over heating. So I had a thought, hence why I asked this. Amargasaurus' neck spines are thought to have been covered in soft tissue as either a neck sail or a hump.

I was wondering if Amargasaurus having a neck sail is comparable to an Elephant's ear in the sense that they help increase surface area to disperse heat.

[pearl briar]

elephant question: Who is the biggest Palaeoloxodon specimen?
antiquus?
recki?
or namadicus?

[slim ridge]

Could be, but iirc those spines hold a thicker structure than those of elephant ears, which can also be flooded with blood and moved to more effectively disperse the heat, since blood vessels are close to the surface

[storm heron]

Yea, I think there is a similar theory going on to explain Spinosaurus' sail? how it has blood vessels that help disperse heat as they are closer to the surface of the skin despite their being bone in between.

[stoic tinsel]

Namadicus by a lot

[tulip dove]

Absolute unit

[pearl briar]

like this?

[stoic tinsel]

Yep

[frosty cedar]

That is one big fella.

[frosty cedar]

Christ almighty it's a big fella, holy hell.

[sudden wind]

https://twitter.com/fishboy86164577/status/1639467722064150528?s=61&t=Bt3aVreyCW-ThC3iXFwuFw

Tosha (@fishboy86164577)

Quick sketch of the new Sinosaurus skull

Likes

136

Twitter · Mar 25, 2023, 3:22 AM

[ruby geyser]

Now I want a mammoth in pot

[frosty cedar]

I don't have the game yet, but I do hope we get some cenozoic animals later. We have megalania already, so.

[ruby geyser]

I don’t even know if it would fit . But I would love to be a mammoth 🦣

[frosty cedar]

I think it would like a bunch of other cenozoic stuff.

[ruby geyser]

Terror bird all day

[pearl briar]

@frosty cedar MWHUWHEUWHUEHW

[small dagger]

Would be awesome to have some paleoaccurate cenozoic animals ingame

[rose thorn]

Meg:

[iron lake]

who do u guys think would win in a hypothetical fight?

[frosty cedar]

Bruh moment.

[vocal breach]

I’m starting to think T. rex is gonna get stomped

[iron lake]

I agree lmao

[vocal breach]

I think anky would have a hard time with breaking its legs ngl

[woeful falcon]

Legs are the only thing an ankylosaur could hit on that guy

[stiff osprey]

Rex would probably win if it attacked at night, since elephants have poor night vision (lions used to use this to hunt elephants before the mega-prides stopped forming)

[tough parcel]

Who would win, 1 million T. rex or the elepha-sun

[stiff osprey]

Depends if the elepha-sun is more like an elephant or a sun

You would need at least 25 billion T.rex to defeat the sun

[woeful falcon]

Sun ain't going down without a fight either

[tough parcel]

I suspect the elepha-sun is like a nuclear reactor in the shape of an elephant but instead of uranium rods, it's the unmatched power of the sun 🤔

[heady thunder]

Rex facetanks.

[slate walrus]

me

[glad carbon]

Definitely not text

[slate walrus]

yeah, I would win

[heady thunder]

You got this.

[glad carbon]

I’ll cheer and record from the side lines, u got it bruh

[rose thorn]

Why’d the mega prides stop forming?

[slim ridge]

Probably people

[last iron]

#modding

[neat drum]

human intervention being the main one, to avoid inbreeding excessively large prides are often broken up

but to my knowledge they still occur, its just that in recent years the massive coalitions have all fallen due to infighting or losses during disputes

still amuses me that lion prides are a recent thing, we have evidence that pre-civ lions didn't really do the whole pride thing, and likely lived more like tigers(solitary most of the time, pairing occasionally)

and there still are areas where lions dont form prides/large prides, usually just pairs or 1 male and 3-4 females

then you have places like kruger national park with a 30 lion pride

[heady thunder]

KOSing lion megapack at the watering hole!

[stiff osprey]

when the continent-range species has variable behavior (paleotwitter astonished)

[neat drum]

what is weird is that we're not entirely sure why prides started existing to begin with

we know that larger prides and coalitions are likely the result of human poaching creating a pressure for males to tolerate eachother more for protection + lots of male-less prides about, but that likely wasn't why prides originally formed, prey doesn't seem to be the reason either since, if anything, prey has become more abundant and also smaller since the time of primarily solitary lions(which would indicate that a solo lion would fair better than a lion working permanently feeding a family)

but also lions arn't the only cats getting more social, cheetahs now are seen more n more in loose groups, and just a few decades ago seeing more than 2-3 subadults together was unheard of, and tiger cubs stay with their moms longer and in some cases dad sticks around and babysits

[heady thunder]

Very nice, tiger prides dropping next patch?

[neat drum]

definately a really interesting behavior change to witness, esp since we have evidence of how big cats lived all the way into pre-civ times(cave paintings, trackways, etc.)

[stiff osprey]

cheetah coalitions are really cool because documentaries tend to be a few years behind actual research, so our generation basically saw the behavior evolve in real time

when i was little cheetahs were exclusively said to be solitary animals aside from females with young and now there's plenty of group cheetah hunts on tv

[heady thunder]

When did cheetah coalitions even start? Ive seen them in documentaries all my life, must have been in the early 2000 or earlier.

[neat drum]

"all my life"
"early 2000s or earlier"

[heady thunder]

Well, I couldnt have been seeing animal documentaries when I was like, 2 years old lol.

[stiff osprey]

i was born in the 2000s :L
and it still took me a while after i was old enough to watch documentaries before i started to see cheetah groups on TV

[tough parcel]

Random’s old af, ancient

Be me, young spring chicken

[heady thunder]

Idk when I saw the first cheetah documentary, but I know that thing was old, there were some stripped cheetahs included and an african legend talking about how the cheetah got its eye marks.
Dont remember anything else, think I still have the DVD.

[stiff osprey]

Aren't you about my age 🧐

and yes, striped cheetahs are awesome

[heady thunder]

I rarely see stripped cheetahs in documentaries anymore, they look very cool.

[woeful falcon]

Buckle up, we got 2010s babies round these parts

[neat drum]

im surprised that you rarely see peeps doing abberant or unusual patternings/genes in paleoart tbh

abberant patterning, hypo/hypermelanism, black-spot-esque melanism, piebaldism, etc. etc. are all relatively common in birds and reptiles

abberant patterning is like, intense patterns(pseudomelanism, its what makes those tabby striped tigers and king cheetahs basically), patternless, and just weirdly done patterns(like how there are misbarred clownfish with partial or missing white bands)

hypomelanism is partial lack of melanin, making the animal more red/yellow, often with black patches and green/pale eyes

hypermelanism is the opposite, making a darker/duller animal with more yellow/brown eyes, both look fairly normal unless set next to a more typical specimen

black spot melanism is often called dalmation, its most well known in crested geckos, just makes lil black dots all over the animal with no other pattern change

wild piebaldism is usually seen in birds, its normally just like, one or two white feathers or a white patch on their feet, not like cow splotches

https://64.media.tumblr.com/a9067bfe84ccb29c11b0af271bbf43cb/tumblr_mif7z5n76K1r4t9h1o1_1280.jpg

a dromaeosaur with this level of piebaldism would def be possible and would have zero issues surviving

[covert lintel]

yeah, it can be a big issue for birds since a lack of melanin isn't great for feather strength (it's part of why naturally pale/white birds often still have black wingtips), but for a flightless dromaeosaur, low levels of piebald patterning might not cause many problems beyond possibly making it harder to find a mate

[white matrix]

https://youtu.be/XITWI0-vxqk

[honest wave]

I wouldn’t say zero issues of surviving. Animals evolve the coloration they have because it’s beneficial in some way. An individual with aberrant coloration may have issues camouflaging, which is very important for most predators.

[neat drum]

piebald land carnivores generally have few issues, its just normally fairly rare to see it to begin with, so long as the animal isn't pure white it often has no issues camouflaging since its outline is still broken up

[vast narwhal]

What caused the extinction of North American cheetahs
Pronghorns living there best life

[stoic tinsel]

megafaunal extinction

[small dagger]

Such a good rex model

[white matrix]

I don’t like Rex, but that’s a good Rex model

[small dagger]

Rex in general or rex in PoT?

[stoic tinsel]

pfff that baby rex isnt that great

[white matrix]

In general

[small dagger]

Max bellomios rex is my personal favorite
Wish we had this in a game, max is insanly talented

[stoic tinsel]

yeah its a rex not based on the largest 2 specimens which is also nice

[white matrix]

It’s just uninteresting to me now, and it’s inclusion in media just ruined it for me more, I do not like Rex, and I never will again unless it’s under certain circumstances such as Rex being an actual animal instead of a cold hearted killing machine

[small dagger]

I loved prehistoric planet for that,
It never showed them actually hunting, only interacting peacfully and eating

[white matrix]

Prehistoric planet Rex is the single only Rex I like

[small dagger]

to be fair ingames it has to eat, though more often than it would in real life
plus so game designs for rex tend to be very inaccurate to the animal *COUGH COUGH POT REX

[white matrix]

BoB Rex is the only game Rex design I love

[small dagger]

Max's models are so great, really hope i can get that good someday

[small dagger]

Suarian rex is amazing i just wish it was a multiplayer game. plus the fact that we havent really gotten anything out of them for 2 years

[white matrix]

I’ve seen a lot of maxs models, very good

[white matrix]

Isn’t saurians Rex like heavily feathered? Isn’t that outdated?

[small dagger]

the new one

[woven axle]

They changed that a while back

[white matrix]

Ah

[covert lintel]

the old rex model is, but the new one (idr if it's in the game yet or not) is entirely featherless

[stoic tinsel]

they have to fix that head

[small dagger]

The lips are slightly too meaty but other than that is perfect

[stoic tinsel]

no its not they based the head on stans so it has a prominent dip which was formed from an injury stan sustained

[small dagger]

dip in the skull between the nasal holes and the lacrimal crests?

[small dagger]

Are the lips too meaty?
I feel like such a thing cant really be determined and is in the realm of posibility especially when looking at the range of soft tissue types on modern dinosaurs

[stoic tinsel]

lips are fine afaik its the dip that is the issue

that dip is caused from Stan's skull being crushed by another tyrannosaurus

average tyrannosaurus does not have the dip

[small dagger]

Definitely see that when looking at Sues skull, No dip on there

Drew this based off of her a couple days back
throwing some fleshy soft bits on that skull of hers

Though it did also use multiple other specimines as reference to try to find an average look
(remodel concept please devs.. )

[rose thorn]

Yours does have some real meaty lips

[tough parcel]

What, we don't know if it was from another Tyrannosaurus? It's possible as everything, but more likely is crushing during fossilization

[stoic tinsel]

it showed signs of healing...

[tough parcel]

Proof, no balls, cause I have never heard of this

[stoic tinsel]

pretty sure it does but i might have just mistaken it for the other multitude of skull related pathologies stan has

[tough parcel]

Iirc he has a punctured braincase which does have signs of healing, but the skull warping is not...a healed pathology

[woeful falcon]

stan was a zombie....

[small dagger]

not necasarillly a bad thing

[stoic tinsel]

yeah it was the braincase that i read thought it referred to the warped snout but it wasnt

speaking of pathologies allosauroids have tons of rib fractures

[rose thorn]

I can’t think of any extant reptiles with particularly large lips..Def not the worse thing but it is a little uncanny imo

[rose thorn]

It was me. I was hitting them with a hammer

[stoic tinsel]

they dont heal well either apparently

[rose thorn]

Smh just be a hadrosaur. Healing trait through the roof

[stoic tinsel]

i dont want to be a hadrosaur

i want to be a tyrannosaurid so i can be brutally maimed my entire life and shrug it off

[vast narwhal]

Allosaurus took that to another level

[stoic tinsel]

Theropods just live their lives being deformed

[vast narwhal]

They was just built different

[heady thunder]

The average carnivore life.

[small dagger]

Lizards with large teeth have large almost mammalian lips to house them, thats what im basing it off

[blazing basalt]

Yeah, lizards with proportionally large teeth, which rex isn't really comparable to, and even then their lips aren't similar to that of mammals at all, as mammal lips are really flexible and fleshy, while lizards have rigid and relatively small lips

[vast narwhal]

Comparing mammals and reptiles is a very bad comparison they're physically attributes are very different

[ripe ruin]

Lizard lip talk got me thinking
So here

[sudden wind]

This guy is an exception tho

[woeful falcon]

people out there will argue if they even had lips still let alone if they were large or mammalian in nature

[sudden wind]

Teeth size has very little to do with lip presence and a mammalian nature is highly unlikely given that dinosaurs are reptiles, therefor likely had a reptilian like kind of lips (similar to Lepidosaurs even though dinosaurs are Archosaurs, but those repeatedly lost lips through their evolution).

[tough parcel]

As much as I enjoy tracking down soundtracks, this isn't the chat for it. You will be drawn and quartered for this (by the mods)

[compact leaf]

we also have to consider the possibility that some dinosaurs had lips that weren’t particularly similar to other reptiles, it’s a good baseline but they’re so derived it’s likely there’s a lot of the picture we don’t have

[woeful falcon]

ah yes that song

look up lego jurassic world ost on youtube and you'll find it eventually

well, I assure you paleo chat in a Path of Titans discord won't help ya with that lol. that or the actual Jurassic World ost.

Speaking of Jurassic world, idk if this is a rule break or not because it concerns fictional animals but I think it would be cool to see an artist's attempt at recreating Indoraptor and Indominus rex in a more realistic sense, as if they exhibited physical/anatomical characteristics of the animals they're composed of

Take Indominus for example, said to primarily be Giganotosaurus and Tyrannosaurus, looks like neither of them. Generally doesn't look like anything specific at all outside of maybe an Allosauroid

[iron stag]

i looked through all jurassic park and world music and guess what, nothing

and i cant find a reliable lego jurassic world source

[woeful falcon]

🤷‍♂️

[iron stag]

I FOUND IT I FOUND IT YESS MUS HUBISLANUBLAR INTRO

[woeful falcon]

👍

[small dagger]

Back to paleo topics

[iron stag]

listen to that banger bro

[deft sigil]

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[woeful falcon]

is there a dorsal view out there of Gorgosaurus

I've seen a dorsal of its skull in a recent paper but not of a full skeletal

[iron stag]

my bad 🥶

[woeful falcon]

I've encountered some older ones but idk how reliable they are. I've also seen Albertosaurus more recently but idk how comparable that is to gorgo in this case

[tough parcel]

AFAIK nothing for Gorgosaurus exactly, people have just used Daspleto

[small dagger]

Modern archosaurs! Saw these at the museum today

[woeful falcon]

yooo is that two extant dinosaurs and a crocodyliform????

[small dagger]

Yes! So glad I live near one of the best museums in the US

Sue and monkey

[woeful falcon]

it would appear that one dinosaur is a juvenile, possibly mislabeled as an adult of another genus

would that be Sue EDIT: lmao didn't read

[stiff osprey]

just one dinosaur?

[small dagger]

Nah it’s just a baby on the nest

[frigid coral]

it sees through your sins

[small dagger]

Idk wtf to think of this… what dinosaurs could have looked like the living testicle…

More from a different time I went

[tough parcel]

Shantungosaurus

[severe field]

I have someone who did Scorpius that way and probably will do indom and indo in the future, let me search it

[woeful falcon]

Reptileano mayhaps

[severe field]

You got it

https://twitter.com/ElReptileano/status/1624682987596967936/photo/1 for anyone curious about it then

El Reptileano (open commissions) (@ElReptileano)

Well here is the redesign of the Scorpios rex
I always say that you learn from mistakes and here is the proof.

I hope you like this new version!!

Likes

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Twitter · Feb 12, 2023, 8:13 AM

[stoic tinsel]

I saw an archosaur earlier when I went to take out the trash

[spare knot]

i am insanely jealous that you got to lay your eyes on sue in person

[ocean brook]

https://youtu.be/m68SODil6w0

[steady rock]

at first, i thought it was utah and had to double check, deinoychus looked like a crow and loved it

[spare knot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS71VeptuEc this is my favourite of theirs

[pearl briar]

accurasies night question: how accurate?

[mint harbor]

What dinosaur is it btw?

[sage cave]

Utah probably

[junior dawn]

deinonychus

[pearl briar]

my opinion is between dakota (if valid), austro, achillo, and utah

[hasty wharf]

Rate this diagram (not made by me)

[pearl briar]

short rex so 7.7/10

[mint harbor]

I feel like this one is more accurate, the bones on the legs look stronger, a rex with 8200kg and skinny legs just don't add up

[woeful falcon]

an odd choice of composite I find that one. Would stick to Dan Folkes's skeletal of Scotty. Plenty of other rex skeletals too that are perfectly serviceable. With such a complete animal I find it odd to intentionally make something like it a composite. Unless they're just saying like, missing elements restored from Sue and 5027 which then by all technicalities it would be.

[opal latch]

The irl trex might get the biggest buff of all time if they discover a “fully grown one” if the trex fossils we have now where still growing

[frozen zealot]

mmm, that'd be sick

[ruby geyser]

It might be just a croc situation we’re they would keep getting slightly larger with age

Gotta remeber that still the biggest found was like 20 pounds of Rex and was 43 feet long

Then Canadians said : there might be 70% bigger relatives but it’s just an hypothesis on theyr growth curve .
But if that was true , we talk about a Rex that could weight 33.000 pounds

[frigid coral]

the chances of that are near impossible for most specimens. You can tell via the bone if an animal is done growing afaik, it’s not very easy to “miss” that

[frigid coral]

I don’t ever recall a 20 ton specimen being described?

[ruby geyser]

Its 19.500 but ye

Its Scotty the Canadian one? The largest known T. rex ?

[frigid coral]

did you so happen to check the first Google result lmao

[ruby geyser]

Was reading a reserach tbh about possible Dino growth

[frigid coral]

Scotty was around 8.8 tons afaik, nowhere near 19

[ruby geyser]

Oh wait naa that’s on me I wrote tons instead of pounds

[ruby geyser]

Was kinda easy to get since I wrote pounds after ward to describe the estimated weight of the bigger ones

[frigid coral]

but in that context it would have been 33 pounds, which is the size of a toddler

[pearl briar]

...
how accurate is this?

[hushed valve]

Scotty is 10.6

[ruby geyser]

T. rex fun fact , many ppls think that they aren’t able to clap due to theyr short hands , in reality they can’t clap cuz they’re all dead

[pearl briar]

he is 10.3 tons atm but 10.6-11 tons likely possible

[frigid coral]

hadn’t seen a source for 10.3 tons, thank you for the info! I had heard they recently got an upsize of sorts

[tranquil quartz]

I think its pretty accurate as of late research done on Dunk

[chilly knot]

Also no clue where 10.3 comes from, but 10.5t is the exact one for the most recent model

[heady thunder]

Lets go 11 for a nice whole number.

[hushed valve]

does anyone actually know where the 10.3t estimate is from ? I have been looking but no luck😔

[tough parcel]

It's probably from some stupid private model that can't be shown because people want to feel special and nice about their information despite how it should be public knowledge

[white matrix]

Are the rexes in PoT bigger than they should be?

[frigid coral]

I think so? Just looks smaller than normal cause spino and eotrike were heavily upsized to be literal Kaijus

also since someone mentioned the “crocodiles grow their entire lives so thus tyrannosaurus probably could reach sizes double whatever”, crocodiles do grow after adulthood but it’s heavily slowed. That would have to be a long living Rex to get double the size of it at adulthood

crocodiles and Tyrannosaurus rex are also very distant mind you, again not impossible, but unlikely

[white matrix]

if one survived long enough for that

[tough parcel]

Honestly, it's a heavy misconception that large crocs are old

Giant crocs won the genetic lottery and nutrition lottery when they were young. It has (almost) nothing to do with old age. Of course, you're growing as you age, but it's wrong to think that crocs grow any significant amount once they hit their ""adult stage""

[chilly knot]

Agro is allegedly about 6m and only 27 years old

[neat drum]

All large crocs are old but not all old crocs are large

Theres also a possibility that hormones are involved like in fish but since crocodillians take ages to grow and with ethical husbandry its not an easy thing to study

(In some fish, fry will produce a hormone that stunts growth in an attempt to outcompete its kin in smaller bodies of water, eventually 1 or 2 will grow double the size of their clutchmates and eat them)

Ofc hormones like that very much did not affect terrestrial animals like theropods

[heady thunder]

Lets give crocs steroids and see if we can make a deino sized alligator.

[frigid coral]

new movie idea

[chilly knot]

5m crocs are already titanic

[frigid coral]

Steroid Crocodile releasing in theaters in March 2024

[heady thunder]

You saw Cocaine Bear, get ready for Gustave the Roided Crocodile!

[chilly knot]

Gustave is overrated as hell tbh, there are a whole bunch of more formidable specimens

[heady thunder]

Like, 1? And they are salties.

[chilly knot]

Mahishasura, Lolong, Bujang Senang, Dominator, Don Kalia, Kalia, Old Charlie, Obo crocodile, Edgar

[heady thunder]

How many of them are nile crocs?

[chilly knot]

0 lol

[heady thunder]

Gustave still the best from his kind then.

[chilly knot]

Gustave is known by so much misinformation

[stoic tinsel]

there are still reports of massive nile crocodiles just none of them are maneaters...yet

[frigid coral]

tbh Gustave is memorable by the goofy name despite the misinfo around it

[neat drum]

Or they just havnt been caught yet

"Hippoes got em" Meanwhile Big Ben the croc

[chilly knot]

8m long and eats hippos every day!!

[heady thunder]

Based and gustavpilled

[frigid coral]

scrumptious fat lards for breakfast lunch and dinner

[stoic tinsel]

you telling me an 8 meter nile croc exists??

[chilly knot]

No that's just Gustave for the average person

[neat drum]

Also tbh, average size niles are puny

[frigid coral]

salt water crocodiles better

[heady thunder]

The overhunting made it even worse probably.

[chilly knot]

Saltwater crocodiles are black air force energy

[neat drum]

american crocs on average are longer and heavier than niles

[stoic tinsel]

be afraid of salties because some populations spend more time in the ocean than you think

[frigid coral]

I was gonna say they were better cause of that one octonauts episode but I feel kinda stupid now

[neat drum]

it ok, tyrannosaurus rex solos salties in the ocean

[heady thunder]

Rex gonna Rex.

[frigid coral]

nah aquatic bear slams both

[neat drum]

idk, water bears are p tiny

[chilly knot]

Somehow the biggest species, the most widespread, the most aggressive and highest standard metabolic rate. Salties got all the buffs

[frigid coral]

waterbears simply outlast them

[stoic tinsel]

american crocodiles got some weirdass jaws looks like they trying to reevolve lips

[neat drum]

american crocs are whack creatures and exhibit A on why large predators and large predators shouldn't exist in the same habitat

[stoic tinsel]

iirc american crocodiles spend more time in saltwater than salties

[neat drum]

theres populations who solely live swimming from island to island

[chilly knot]

americans got weird ahh osteoderms (godz-)

[stoic tinsel]

yes the transient population

[neat drum]

(they are also the largest members of the species, and are quite large)

[frigid coral]

I thought that was pinacosaurus for a second and almost got excited

[neat drum]

FUN FACT: they caught several of those massive island hopping bulls and released them in florida to combat the nile crocodile issue, since they dwarf the florida nile crocs

[stoic tinsel]

yeah was going to mention it

same thing with the small amounts of transient salties

[heady thunder]

Carnivorous ankylosaur dropped.

[chilly knot]

American crocodiles until the half sized cuban crocodile bullies them

[stoic tinsel]

cuban crocodiles casually being the most terrestrial croc

and the most social for some reason

[frigid coral]

anywayyy dinosaurs

[heady thunder]

How heavy was smilodon?

[neat drum]

idk but ik smilodon was weird asf

[chilly knot]

~400kg for da biggest

[neat drum]

thing was built more like a hyena than a cat, and couldn't crouch down and stalk like a cat

[heady thunder]

Ye my boi had some ripped forelimbs.

[stoic tinsel]

no, pseudosuchians

[frigid coral]

lips or no lips for smilodon?

[stoic tinsel]

most people go with half lipped

[neat drum]

normal cat lips + the teeth didn't stick out so far so like, just the tips poked out really

[stoic tinsel]

yeah modern cats especially jaguars have canines that stick out a bit

[neat drum]

cat skuls are weird, the teeth go wayyyy into em and a lot of smilodon skulls have the teeth drooped way out of the skull, so they were long asf but not...that long

[stoic tinsel]

teratosaurus casually being the coolest rauisuchid

[small dagger]

Rauisuchians are so cool

[stoic tinsel]

why does dasp have some of the most baller paleoart to ever exist

[small dagger]

Cause dasp is cool duh

[heady thunder]

Yes, dasp is very cool.

[small dagger]

Dasps model is super nice imo, looks very accurate and unique

[stoic tinsel]

apart from its legs

[small dagger]

Dasp model is monkey approved

[stoic tinsel]

Still got rex leg proportions

[small dagger]

Kai textures are really nice though, quite accurate to the real animal, only problem is that they were put on an elesmosaur not an aristonectene

[chilly knot]

just bc he didnt skip leg day?

[heady thunder]

Nice thick legs, love em thighs

[stoic tinsel]

although i say "rex" leg proportions but dasp kinda just has a little too much tissue in the front cause his calves are fine

[small dagger]

Wish Rex had Rex proportions on its head

[heady thunder]

They should drop an anvil on the game Kais head and half of its problems are fixed.

[small dagger]

There’s a big difference when you look at it, also facts flex

[heady thunder]

Think the soft tissue just makes it look shorter.

[small dagger]

As you can see with sues head, it’s not very rounded like the pot model, the head is shaped quite differently and the body is slightly thicker (though that’s cause sue was hella old)

[pearl briar]

are deinosuchus the largest shawn mendes?

[small dagger]

Sue is such an interesting specimen, it’s very fun to go see her once in a while in all her beasty glory

[pearl briar]

gustave the roided shawn mendes

[small dagger]

Can we just talk about how cool Terror Birds are, they basically tried to take back the throne as the dinosaurian apex predator and I just think that’s the coolest thing ever

[pearl briar]

how based

[stoic tinsel]

for a huge portion of the cenozoic the dominant predators of south america were still archosaurs

[small dagger]

Mammals are for nerds

[heady thunder]

Too bad they sold out their tail, so they couldnt reach half the level of chadness their cooler ancestors achieved.

[small dagger]

What Dino’s do you think should/will get accuracy updates
Honestly a whole update dedicated to accuracy would be great

[stoic tinsel]

sebecids were the top predator in south america for 50 or so million years

[heady thunder]

None really, I want the combat and questing update first

[small dagger]

I mean after those two updates, what Dino’s should get so accuracy touchups?

[heady thunder]

Sty, bars, lamb, kai need upgrades the most imo.

[small dagger]

Factual, the poor hadrosaurs look like dog turds and can’t fight for their lives. For lamb that’s understandable, but bars being pretty unable to fight is not good

[frigid coral]

Stego, rex, styraco, bars, and Kai

[heady thunder]

How you gonna put rex and stego when kai exists

[frigid coral]

I meant to put kai idk why I forgot lmao

[small dagger]

Kai definitely needs help first but the rest are able to wait a bit, not to long for Rex tho the poor thing looks like it’s contemplating soup of side.

[heady thunder]

Stego imo needs its calls to be bassboosted. And if Rex is contemplating suicide, Bars, Lamb, Sty and Kai are already dead.

[small dagger]

They are all contemplating…

Kai is such a sad story, the poor thing just wants a break

[small dagger]

A ton of calls need reworks tbh, stego is one problem but many many of the other Dino’s have bad calls

[heady thunder]

From my experience growing all the dinos, the calls I dont like are Lambs and Stegos, the rest I either really like or are just alright.

[small dagger]

Lambs calls are uggo

Some of the calls for PoT in general are very repetitive. Like the ambient noise Rex makes when doing literally anything

[wind prairie]

lalalalala

[wind prairie]

says the mammal

[heady thunder]

Not all mammals are nerds, but all nerds are mammals.

[slim ridge]

Lambeo sound design blows yes, Stego to, I know it shouldn’t be like extremely whacky but at the very least unique and distinguishable

[small dagger]

An accuracy update to models and calls would be wonderful for the game, wish I could get that to the devs without using that suggestion website they don’t read often

[tough parcel]

Real

Anyways, I feel like if accurate remodels came in, there'd need to be some rebalancing too (Stego being a brick poophouse comes to mind)

[slim ridge]

Modded creatures tend to have way better sound design, Dilophosaurus being a prime example

[small dagger]

There’s no way I can get the idea to jiggy or Matt which makes me really sad. Such a good idea for the game may never come to light

I could dm them but that would land me with a ban

What should we do?

This Rex by @valid grove is perfect for PoTs style if they have it a remodel, absolutely beautiful work

[tough parcel]

Sadge, no big snout scales But it's sexy either way

[heady thunder]

That looks like an Acro ngl.

[small dagger]

Change the snout a bit and it’s nice

[small dagger]

Not really

Optimal PoT Rex

There’s also an issue with calls feeling very shallow and bland, sounding too similar from Dino to Dino

[white matrix]

It would be so cool if calls here travelled long distances like in Isle 😩

[zealous summit]

(by the same person)

[small dagger]

Even better rex! I want this in the game, I’d there a way we could pitch Rex remodel and other accuracy updates?

[woeful falcon]

Ya here.
https://feedback.pathoftitans.com/

[small dagger]

Do they even read those though?

[frigid coral]

no but it’s a nice thought

[woeful falcon]

Someone does because they have to be reviewed

[charred gulch]

Minus that fuzz it looks perfect.

[small dagger]

I heavily doubt that the devs ever see 90% of them

[woeful falcon]

Another good rex.

[zealous summit]

fun fact: the fuzz is also accurate

[woeful falcon]

Best part of it, just the right amount of fuzz

[charred gulch]

If you believe that sure but its been stated that the person who requested it says no fuzz/feathers.

#TeamScales

[zealous summit]

They also said "no tarbosaurus species" and we still got one

[small dagger]

The perfect amount of fuzz, wish we had this in PoT

[charred gulch]

Eh Im happy it doesnt and Saurian does perfect for the accuracy.

[small dagger]

Saurian Rex

[woeful falcon]

In name only