#codm-discussion-💫
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someone like br0ken ive seen with oden, thats a literal deathwish
br0ken is a really good player
guess
i have no clue ima be honest
580ms ttk oden cqc without kinetic..that‘s almost as good as Mg42
close quarter combat
close quarter combat
I wish i could permanently finish campers from this game
Heello
Hi
@cerulean lichen almost as good as Mg42 in br and the best in mp
but in both again, it‘s very punishing if you miss
oh hi cute baby
that‘s why stat nerds hate so scale it
Someone get this kid banned
sbmm - skill based matchmaking
bsa - bullet spread accuracy
cqc - close quarter combat
ttk - time to kill
sell in #old-server-support
How you doing
Spamming since morning
Good hru?
Girl or boy to know how to address you
Boy
kinetic
i hate slow guns but idk why i love oden so much
Nice meeting you here
i thought of the kinetic armor
U too
@cerulean lichen Oden is like this
Imagine you‘re in a death match irl
if you hit your punch you kill your enemy
but your punch has such a bad cooldown irl that the enemy can kill you pretty easily with 2 punches
you‘re right
Oden > mg
In mp yea
okay i get it noww
Br debatable
got 15 kills in snd with oden on the 2nd round i use oden ever 
so basically one punch man but if you miss ur cooked
Yup
In br it isn‘t
in mp if you consistently hit your shots it‘s the best auto in game
aight
I see
Who tf plays br
Chained soldier 
Br is depressing
In br mg42 is the best gun and knocks every other gun out of the universe
broken ttk
very forgiving due to the fastest rof
just crazy stats
Oden is very punishing
and Oden has slower ttk than Mg42
yeah
in br mg42 is a complete monster
Me
1 mg42 and just 1 hipfire gun then u gud
I play both
Give me mg loadout and hipfire gun and loadout
Fennec?
Ranged primary 1 (BV + Vehicle dmg)
Recoil booster
682mm barrel
Optic
Disable
13mm
Mods: Long range, Precise, Vertical recoil
Ranged primary 2 (TTK+Handling)
Recoil booster
6.5mm arisaka
355mm rapid
Optic
Disable
Mods: Long range, Precise, Lateral recoil
Sniper support
Recoil booster
13mm
355mm rapid
Removed stock
Carver fg
Mods: Hipfire, Fast ADS, Long range
This is for mg42
I will give you fennec wait a sec
ive got 238 rn
238 what?
rof
what‘s ur fire interval can u check? the stat bars are too inaccurate
on my mg build
sure
media
sure
Tq for builds
@cerulean lichen go into comparison system, you know how to do that?
you‘re welcome
dunno don't play br sorry
or give me ur build
no
give me ur build please
He gave me the build
I will tell you how many rounds per minute your mg42 shoots
oh noice
sure
recoil booster
krausnick 355mm rapid
vod 64m
6.5 arisaka 125 round drums
granular grip
nope, too expensive
Ah, how much cps you spent to get it?
Anyone ever had a problem with the captcha expiring trying to login?
5810?
my region is na/30 cp so like 11k
Oof
its so damn expensive bro
your mg42 shoots
1.276,59574 rounds per minute which is the highest rate of fire in the complete game beating mac 10/fennec/cx9 by far
Yeah, another $150 to max it
i want the mythic 117 too
LOL
Are you counting fire rate stat or comparison page ms?
comparison
comparison system
rounds per minute/rof
= 60 thousand : fire interval
where is this
The sks one
it isnt out i dont think
@cerulean lichen time to kill is
shots you take to kill - 1 times fire interval
It is
oh i dont see it 😭
so if your hvk 3 shots
you do 3 minus 1 time fire interval of hvk which is 181.4 milliseconds
@cerulean lichen this is how you measure ttk
The sparrow hawk is one of my favorite skins of all time
luckily I had 800 mythic cards from a top up event
got it as far as level 3
Max what
117
Mythic
Ahh
I wanted it the last time it came out 😭
Is there any way to get cp aside from champs?
free not really
tournament has like less than 1% chance or something 💀
Ye
It difficult
Cod mythics and everything else in general shouldnt be this expensive 😞
@atomic bronze i might’ve asked this before but what’s the smith for qq9?
ohh okay
Mono
rtc recon tac long
10mm mag
granulated/owc laser
no stock
you saw my rof measuring right? how it‘s measured
you do 60 thousand : fire interval
on average how much does it cost to get a legendary camo and the solider from a lucky draw?
?
I think leggy gun is like $135
Damnn
but that depends on region
Oh
if your draw starts at 30 cp you can expect $135 for the full draw
Mine starts at 10
than proba half of that 😭
@spring osprey yeah this
Lol he wants it from you I think
How much cp would that be
The guns already got nerfs and buff‘s right?
Not dollars
LOL
not entirely sure tbh
thats so dumb dude
like 6k
yes sadly
I dont think si
Oh okay
Dem
That would be like 60$
Especially if you live outside us or europe
but i wanna get better at the game tbh
they’re lucky
What rank are you
legendary
i play br mainly
but i wanna get better in terms of game sense/knowledge and skill itself
aynthing you want to know abt br hit me up
Jk
cmon man 😭
Alr got meant like smg and AR
aye thank you man
Night good just use your eyes
i think i often die because
- i only play two fingers
- i dont use hip fire at all
yeah i always have to ads so i often lose those fights and die
use shotgun for cqc
But if you‘re gonna use one use hso
Watch?
with ads?
no
hip
Hipfire is completely fine for shotgun
alrighty
I don't recommend a shotgun to someone who doesn't know what gun to use
yeah
Prob won't know how to use it
^^^^
train with shotgun first
because can be very punishing if you miss
you can get railed by an smg very fast
if you meet someone like shavi in br
im not a noob or sum like that
Or sniper 
i just have less knowledge than most here
You‘re a demon you normally don‘t count
@heady needle hey
Omg you‘re alive

It really doesn't matter
Shotguns aren't that easy to use unless they auto fire.. or if u just sit in a corner
How are youuu we haven‘t talked in such a long time
I have been playing codm a very long time but not starting to make content on tiktok. Any ideas on when should i post and what hashtags to use to gain views-i do mostly edits?
can be very punishing if you miss
Yeah
I'm good, how are you
i never thought of autofire with shotgun
I‘m alright too thank you for asking where you been?!
I‘ve read our dm‘s again I knew i didn‘t mistake you
so kind
I have not been much active
Responsibilities eh?
thanks 😅
No thank you
Yeah that too
I wish you the best
I wish you the best too :))
thanks man 🔥♥️
Yes. On path.exe channel
Yes
YouTube?
Yes
def feels like it
Nice pfp
Which one did u do
The newest one

like they be aiming exactly at my head and immediately take me down
i cant even counter
they do get annoying lol
Pls cp giftcard
No giftcards for you
😭
only in exchange to something devious 😈
Like what.
oh nah
Nah
What about if I sell my acc for cp.
I have a lvl 140 acc and I am at legendary in ranked multiplayer
.
Cry psycho?
Everyone is
you wouldn’t be able to sell it
too simple account
And no purchases as well, i’m sure no one will buy it
No prob
ask from your parents tho
Thats voice over. Bro read description of video
ofc if you won’t spend a big amount
Also its qriax saiko
Ohh
Thought u did the video
I opened an alt acc to receive new recruit supply . I got 60 cp today but I was unlucky . The only good thing I got was DLQ33 Grim ending and parachute and rocket wings from legendary draws .
😆😆
I did. Qriax saiko just did voice over. I did script and analysis
@mild notch
yes?
For account selling you need big amounts of stuff
Legendaries , mythics
I know
if u open like 1000 accounts u will eventually get a mythic ig
And ull end up spending $1000 just for first spins on each account
Real
Hello
sup
u get free cp for making an account
Anyone tryna play ranked ?
i hate to break it down to you lil brody... but that's not a thing
Ok I get it guys .
new update
U can get cp from new recruit supply.
theres some random rookie rewars
Just open an alt acc. I got 60 cp but wasn't lucky enough.
only for new accounts
Lmao so true
I'm gonna make one rn!1!+
oh wait I have to go through the painful process of making a new activision account
If you are willing to spend time creating hundreds of accounts just to get one leggy I think it's better of WORKING A JOB to earn for more than one
@median wave gangerooni lets play some cod mobiil
No
No
yes
No
yes
Donkey!
Monkey!
Gorilla
Ranked ?
Tanked
ive been grinding ranked
What’s the difference between ar and lmg?
Are there lmgs that are better than type 19?
id say the mg is better than the type 19
but not the drh and hvk
1: hvk
2: mg42
3: drh
4: type 19
5: oden
What are the pros of mg and drh in comparison to type 19?
drh kills faster bc 3 tap and doesnt have bullet speed
carry me brodie
And mg?
can i get banned for using bluestacks for some odd reason gameloop wont work???
like gameloop wont install like the download wont even start
im eating rn but i’ll get back on
its ttk is oddly similiar to the drh
id say the drh is beter longer range but the mg better close
Bon apetit
bone apple teef
@atomic bronze which is the worst AR possible?
When getting a damascus, do I need to also get the launchers camo?
Yeah
Damn
At top of my head m4 probably
melee pistols and launchers
Is it worae than hbr3a/asm10?
I wanna grind the camo but damn it feels lazy
Hbra3 sure asm definetly asm is not a bad weapon
Albanian?
Which is better? Hbr3A or Ak117?
Asm10 can be a good weapon to use (Im maining it rn)
yeah
I have joined codm 3 seasons ago
2 seasons legendary
117
This one imma leave at gm2
Ak117
Does hbr3a come in top 5 ar?
Too many mg42 aint it
Not even close i think
Dayumn
Very mid main ar
I use type 25 or the type 19
What do u suggest? Smth unique that isn't used by everyone
sometimes kilo
Can be a good thing to use
Em2
Em2 is a strong one to use
Bad experiences with that. Switched to Kilo
yeah I don't really like the em2
plus it looks disgusting
Type 25 in this season is kinda meh would rather use type 19 rn
oden best ar
Ak47
that's why I use both
use type19 or kilo
Em2 is a bit passive but its a good weapon to use
I was thinking of using the grau
How ab smg?
msmc is pretty good
but if you aren't that good at smgs and want something easy to use then the pp19
Fennec, cbr and bizon can be a good one
Fennec/ppsh 41 supporters here?
Also qq9
I love these 2 qq9/fennec
Kinda more on fennec
yeah fennec is better
Used ppsh but it aint really my style tbh
fennec is good for rushing but if u want passive then pp19 is good
Cordite and pdw*
What’s better mythic ak117 or mythic mg42
Yes
Mg42 if you wanna be aggressive on the bat
Mythic mg42. More versatile as its best in br and one of best in mp. And skin is just dope af
mg42
Can I use drh from level 0 till its max or do I have to use another gun first and level drh in the meantime like with the hvk
How much may we pay for mythic guns?
Ak117 if you play much more on br
Its very niche smg but a good one
150$
Depends on your region
Albania
Nah. If you play br mg42 especially
Monaco
Mg42 and tec9 make all other automatics obsolete in br
Whats the starting price for your mythic
Good morning 👁️👁️
Haven’t tried much of br lately I mained krm and ak117 there last time
Mornin
In cp coins?
20cp IG
How to win against mg42 players
No like at the lucky draw what price is it from the start
Morning
join them
Its really annoying to fight with in snd
By usinv mg42. If you cant beat em join em
I meant in br
Srry I can't understand you
Then its like 10,075 cp for the whole draw
God i was just talking wigh zi and damn supression of mg is insane. Thank god they nerfing bi
Ohh
Proven and tested
@dawn silo did you finally watch the analysis
Mg42 is just a nightmare
in mp but especially in br it‘s just a fricking nightmare
I forgot, bruh where are my dementia pills
I don't use lmg, I smg main
U need to pay for the whole draw?
Watch and check pinned comment
Tooo lazy it‘s probably long
Use cx9. Fennnec has flinch issue easy to abuse
I mean ur chances of getting it are low and mostly everyone has to finish the draw
8min. Plus pinned commebt. Note builds arebt mine
Cx9 feels weird sometimes
Oh right mg can be used in long range too br is not gonna be a good time to play huh
Ugh fine wait
Okay will try
It can be used close range too
Its fun to use when rushing
Mainly used cx9 with stims when I just wanna rush the camping enemies
Idk I switched back to the fennec even though the cx9 is probably better.
?
W
X
Burst or auto tec9?
Y
Burst
Z
Kinda like fennec but its kinda hard to control the recoil when I wanna rush the enemies its more of a stop and shoot to me than run and gun
Z
Fennec has no recoil tho?
Automatic is a bit weird in tec 9 but burst is awesome
Might be my attachments :/
Hip fire ✌️✌️✌️
Nah
You just gotta learn to control it idk but yeah I do feel in cqc the cx9 has an edge
Fennec in general has no recoil
More ammo as well
And better 4 shot
Cx9 skill issue fennec
Fennec has some pros tho
Wait which has faster ttk
Damn, I might be fried when using it lol
Do you use any recoil attachments on it?
Such as?
Hard question
Auto
Better consistent ttk.
Forgot the attachment might check later
223 fire rate mg42
Can drh be used from when it has no attachments ?
Yes
It isnt actually 223
Any gun can be used
Um?
Fennec has faster ttk but cx9s 4 shot is more consistent
Welp yea
Ah so fennec better
Mg42 stat bars lie. Like they say its 268 fire rate but its 127
Bruh
The need to fix it
Well on avarage cx9 has better ttk
Burst cx9 clears tho right
Doesnt it actually max out at the fire rate number before the 268?
Of course
?
What
Then how fennec faster ttk
It has more consistent 4 sh9t
A
Faster consistent ttk. Like faster 5 shot
Stats page is messed up
But cx9 can 4 shot
Just the comparison page says the truth
? My question was simple to understand.
Its stat bars who cares anyway
How does firerate in codm work? Cuz none of the guns really have an accurate rpm
It is if you arent sleepy like me
👀
It has fire interval. Its ammount of time between bullet shots.......thats it
No
Oh so that's what fire interval means?
Lol the memes were funny
No rpm is 60 000÷fire intervap
Yes
Rpm?
Nice
Rpm is rounds per minute in which case the mg42 doesn't have a consistent rpm (at least irl)
Rounds per minute
All parts of video are goated. Except builds
Rounds per minute
I was first😴
Okay 👀
figured you didn‘t make the builds

In game too. It has 1277 but its presented as 2680
5 
Hahahahahag. Only one buiod.was mine and thats in pinned comments. Wait a sec
Oki
Sweat?
Nice👍
Nah
Good job btw
Bot
Chevk dms
Just pure skills
Problem is even without 6.5mm mag but with 13mm mag it still outperforms smg‘s and ar‘s
What you will see will actually scar you for life 😭
frfr
Share the skill bro
Yes, yes I am 😭
👀👀 rare to see someone using t 25
I need more skill
Mg42 not gonna be bad anytime oon lol
I am 
It's decent
And pretty seggs to use in snd
@dawn silo was i correct
Ohh
It was correct but hey I know who made the build so
I going for work bye bye 👋👋👋👋
Good Crossbow / smrs combo 😭
Bye

who tryna play tournaments
Cya
na is one of the worst
Hitting someone from far with crossbow and sticking him with nades is nice
Nah you just suck
Wait didnt it got nerfed
So do i
Ima still use it 🙏
nah bro literally hatted it during grinding for gold camo it wouldnt count kills
only headshots
No you just didn't hit head smh
bro
That was fun lol
not fun😡
Well some people ain't cut out for na45
no one is buddy
Sure
You just hate it cus you suck🤷♂️
It's actually very good
I'd use it over dlq but ey you do you
Tomahawk fun

Skill issue
Na45 requires brain and skill
Wait you can use crossbow in br?
Ofc
Also na gold was remarkably easier than like xpr gold
Long shots are only the first shot of the mag for na. So headshots or hitting someone at low hp
If you were killing via explosion it wouldn’t be counted for your longshots
Na45 gold farm goated for improving aim
Custom and takes sniper ammo
I guess is not that good
👀
With long range
🙏
Real warriors use na45(I'm camping with tripmine)
Just gotta hit them before taking the crossbow out 🙏😭
Real warriors think of the team (i’m rushing with hardwired)
I don't know what I'm doing in ranked🙏
Same but it’s somehow always better than half my team anyways
I either stay around point or anchor what play style is this?
Passive
Im at 8001 and not touching ranked again 🙏
I use all smg tho
I like to rush into the hardpoint, I don't care if I die to a trip mine
I rush just to go passive 🙏
So that way i clean the entrance for my team
If you could see my loadouts through time you’d be able to see me get more and more paranoid
Bro we just played one time lmao
But yeah, i'm not good on 1v1s
Nah you lost to na45 and you had tundra
Went from like scavenger/quick fix, lightweight, hardline
To just dauntless hardwired dead silence across the board
Too many trip mines in ranked man i cant anymore
If you know what I'm saying
😭 ik
Camping?
Noo
Seems the only playstyle that snd players have mastered
Like I rush but I'm so paranoid while doing it
Thats why its br for me now, not even doing the 10k mp anymore
Ah the “I’m rushing but also checking every corner and my back every .00001 seconds”
My bad dude or gal or whatever you are
🙏
Personally, my playstyle is dictated by my team in snd
Crazy
Hey Idk what they are
Stealth Chopper
I'm just trying to be respectful yk
And firahel looks a all of the above idk why
Am I so wrong for passive In 1v1 like I really don't see whats wrong
Bro i got timed out
💀
How☠
Chopper gunner have some class
Real
I wasnt careful enough about trash talking my ranked teammates
I'm a Napalm
I'm assault knife
Half the time they all go one direction so i end up solo holding B while they’re having a party in A
And then the whole enemy team rushes mid and i just lose cos they don’t know how to play snd
The lag😭
And then get confused asf when no one’s there
This
I still use and rush routes in hp😭
i start snd and rush like hp
“Hostiles have captured the hardpoint” oh yeah i forgot
me omw to the 4 snipers holding an angle with no plan
.
repeatedly
In snd I wait at spawn for a few seconds too throw off enemies
Do it backwards. Double stim rush and get to their camp spots before they do
Double stim nerf😭
Catch the campers like “now hold on a moment” when i peek a corner three seconds before they ready
Lol
then they pull out thier knife and stab you like its london
My na45 wipes corners just fine
Shotgun is the only gun i double stim with
For that reason
i only use one
Wtf is a kilometer
Ngl I used to weapon swap with smg like they snipers
gung ho on top
😍
Get top 10 in world 💪
Top ten for assists
I’m goated for assists i had a game in tdm yesterday with 16 kills and 16 assists
Me with
Tak 5
Uav
Counter uav
Shock rc
Mate 16
Saaame
Try 91 assist in ranked
What mode?
Hp
I could prolly beat that if i hunted for em
Tdm tho
With all my hit markers🙏
Hitmarkers why i cant use koshka
Bro
I try to quickscope and i just get hitmarkers everywhere its insane
You was hitting people in other lobbies
What?


But wont there be a nerf next season
Just reached 10k
Legendary player
activision players i met can't be decent without abusing mg42
i played fl they sitting at their base with mg42

Funny
not funny
@spring osprey play with us
i inv u u were doing snd but i got rejected 😭
i got home

when is season 5 coming
can do some try hard codm now
I accepted and invited you you never accepted
i left the game 
I want to play
yes les play carry me pls
Gimme like… five minutes
Oh right, Firahel is still gm
bro
Ranked? Or no
okay ping when u rdy
Gm v I’m trying
Are you on gm?
rank ofc no point playing other things than rank or shipment ffa/hp
You can, I believe in you
Ah, why do you need carry then

Do you want to hit 10k?
Ah
play frontline and team deathmacth youll get to legendary🙏🏿
Dauntless and bring a molotov
it's not about hitting 10k in the end it's about friends we made along the way
Congratulations you are better than half the hp players

i got owned cuz laggy and then pocket wifi battery ran out i had to left
i feel bad i'm horrible person for lefting match
@spring osprey wanna play tournament?
okay wanna grind rank?))
Ground war for mp
Breach or normal ground war
i love doing ground war in that snow map with hdr
Normal
i want to play too
womp womp!
You can join us

mods ban these people
which these
all of u😡

Why
m still waiting to play
why not
Nah I'd carry
anyone in Na that qualified for stage 2 need a team
i know that mr big brain
need a 5th
@small drum come play
@vague sage ready
Oks
I don't even have you added
more like 25 since u said 5 mins since long ago lul
Sincerest apologies for using a figure of speech
Huh
huh
You want me to play?
up to u lah
bro just said haven't added me and then decided to not add me
You down for ranked then
hye
Tourney😱
oh nvm
Worst mode
they already started
Did you think on how i can add you if you don't even send your ign? 💀
did you reply before you started
Be patient
Can I join?
if you did i probably send my ign
ofc, after this match
cuz i thought u already played
come login
yes
Ima do bounus matches you fine with that?
i accepted inv late for a few sec and they already started
what is that
oh sure
Halo
come login
helo
Less go lah
Helo
ello
demn sorry m bad @small drum
demn am throwing hard
u guys doing ranked?
@small drum when we win we gonna get total lose point than bonus it gives
yes
u guys Na east?
not me
can I play?
Brb @vague sage eating
oks, enjoy your meal
yes but we are dog
@small drum this bonus point won't do anything if we keep losing
@storm salmon I'm done
Wtf is thermow
Bro is 2 tapping across the map with ar
And if he hits me I can't see jack
ofc lol it's thermite mow
I'm stick to snd tomorrow
i can't carry
Yep
yeah imma spam snd now
i'm snd main
cuz i like when dying once is actually punishing
and i can do many cool clutches there
I’m just curious do any of you guys play the zombies gamemode unironically
And compared to the difficulty of black ops 3 zombies how does it compare?
baby gamemode
for the bp
Nah the lag this season is wild
You not bad it’s just the updated season bugged to hell
Me dropping 11 kills every snd game today just for my team to lose while lagging was pain tho
Mines terrible and it’s never been like this
Zombie mode feels like codm is trolling it's users. It's just plants vs zombies 3d
😭
It's sad cus it's true
Zombies on codm is not hard, it's tedious
Mostly cuz lack of maps
You think next season it will get better?
I played the tutorial or whatever to get the wrench and haven't played since
Melee weapon
No
Hoping but It’s my fear that it won’t happen, I talked to support and they made me send a screenshot of my wifi stats & something else and they said everything was fine that it’s a bug
Like the skin
I have a ss of messages still
Bru
It's just normal skin. This is when zombies was releases
Devs doing anything but making the game more fun
Like sure I'd enjoy a hello kitty bp
But I need to stop lagging
I just want to carry 2 melee
Under kill perk
Do you knife switch melee?
No
If you saw the lag I have you’d think I was on a $10 tracphone
Me with 80$ phone and on mobile data
I’m on XR, and T-Mobile wifi 
It’s because it is, any ranked mode fs regular can be but normally not but there’s been times even in regular I get the same amount of lag, BR is BR because lag always happens but not this bad I’ll dm my clips of lag if your DM’s are open and you okay it
anyone running into the issue of not being able to play with people lower rank than you?
Trying to play with someone who's GM4 and I'm not able to invite them
Uh....who pinged
Are you leggy 10k?
no
that's what makes no sense to me
I know there's the 10k restriction
but this is odd
was this something new they added in for stage 2?
we've tried seeing if it was just me but no one can invite the GM4 player
is that why ive been getting fram drops using very high settings even tho it was fine before
Yes
%100
🥺
I feel your pain 
Sent ✅
bro the game is wild
i won 3 legendary ranked in a row but got 2 lost chain in grand master V
Just win 2 more
But don’t lose 😏 you’ll keep going down GM v again
im grandmaster V now
Rank protection?
no
Oh bro lost his whole rank 😭
my legendary friend inv me and i got mvp 2 time in legendary match
but when i solo in grandmaster keep losing
Are you NA ?
I would but I’d have 120 Ms & you might be ganera
Halo
Nah vietnam isn't part of garena
idiot
what event should i spin for
i wanna die
all match i join all lost
game keep giving me god enemy and bot teammate
welcome to dark system
Log off only way to end lose streak
i already join it yesterday with 6 lost chain
Don’t even stress it you got a month to get legendary back
i never get legendary before
not even a month
probably try to go with a good teammates ?
in global
you Are on two fingers ?
only like a few days
fours
Well yes but that’s not reset
oh
Reset will be next BP
The one you like or the one with the best value
who here is good w coaching teams?
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i am noob
demn idk why i haven't been doing good recently
Halo
i got 0 kills in 7 rounds match once tf
never happened to me ever
maybe cuz few days no codm
Damn felt that tilted days a lot 
luckily last few match i played i started to do decent and hit many flicks with sniper
9lv now looking for a coach, dm me if interested
probably just a bad day
