codm-discussion-💫

[tired flame]

Well u can buy the bp vaults when u have enough coins to complete one

And it's 80 per vault so

[open apex]

Can you buy the Koshka Desert looking battle pass skin anymore? Not the newer one but the one with the beige colour and custom scope I don’t see it in the BP Vaults section

[old imp]

Yes

[latent goblet]

Okay thanks !

Is there some guide on how to spend your money the wisest, even though it's not that wise from the beginning

[fading rampart]

Spend everything

[latent goblet]

I don't have much everything

[fading rampart]

Buy what you likes

[latent goblet]

yeah but like, I wanted the sci fi western like lady, how much am I gonna spend ? I know it can drop on first loots but still

if I really want it how money money do I prepare

[vague sage]

I can help you with that

First of all, at how many cps your lucky draws/roulettes start?

[latent goblet]

30 cp

[vague sage]

Welp, you have the most expensive account then xd

$120 for a legendary weapon
$150 for a mythic weapon/legendary operator

[spring osprey]

Long is the receipt short is the wallet

[latent goblet]

What it's randomised by account ?

[vague sage]

By country

[spring osprey]

Region

[latent goblet]

What the hell are those prices

Oh okay

[spring osprey]

Scams

[latent goblet]

Yeah definitively, passes will be good

[vague sage]

For example, my draws start at 10 cps
Legendaries are $50
Mythics $60

[spring osprey]

And given that there’s no reliable way to build up your cp for free…

[spring osprey]

You got mg for 60?

[vague sage]

I mean, i bought the 10k pack

[latent goblet]

holy

[vague sage]

But yeah $60=5800 cps, mythic guaranteed

[spring osprey]

Nahhhhh

NAHHHH

This region mess is rigged wtf

[latent goblet]

Yeah

[vague sage]

My country is poor so, maybe

[spring osprey]

I mean my country is poor but in regards of quality of people. But I suppose that’s just a thing globally?

Hmm i’m no gem either

[vague sage]

[spring osprey]

I still feel like $150 is insane

[vague sage]

I can send you the whole table if you are curious

[spring osprey]

Mmm

[latent goblet]

150 is an absolute joke

[spring osprey]

Some other time when it won’t make me want to travel

[latent goblet]

You can be more expensive than valorant and still be serious

[spring osprey]

But tbh I’m guaranteed spending $350 on a card game at the end of the month so

[vague sage]

Lmao

[latent goblet]

IRL or not ?

[spring osprey]

Ngl codm less likely to die out than valorant

[spring osprey]

Yeah irl

[latent goblet]

Then it's good money spent

[vague sage]

So you want it?

[spring osprey]

Magic the gathering is damn expensive sometimes

[spring osprey]

Yea

[latent goblet]

yeah especially considering Flesh and blood is way better :v

[spring osprey]

Bro i wish they hadn’t stopped printing cards it doubled the cost of half of em

[latent goblet]

Thanks for your infos i'll stick to pass then, have a nice day !

[old imp]

my teammate went 1/10

bro it is not that hard to just hide in a corner

like if u are bad at the game just hide in a corner and hardscope or something

[spring osprey]

I had a teammate in ranked with mg go 0/8

[vague sage]

No problem

[old imp]

im so sad

[spring osprey]

That gun is Atlas reborn for carrying and this man couldn’t do it

[old imp]

we were up like 44:37 and still lost because of that bum

kin armour is damn useless for carrying kills

great now i got a lobby with 3 leaderboard players on my team alone

[spring osprey]

I’m using kin armor less and less

Tac support or whatever tf it is and gravity spikes mostly

[cold veldt]

I sort of miss Shoothouse.

[old imp]

dude these idiots sold a 49:47 gamer

How? HOW

im going insane bro

[quartz swift]

Provide more context
Like map they chose

[old imp]

firing range

i was cooking the enemy team wtf

[quartz swift]

Hell naw wth

[old imp]

I had like 3 global lb players on my team

[quartz swift]

Oh that explains

[old imp]

I guess they also did though but still

[quartz swift]

Specify their gun

[old imp]

3 raging cactus wannabes, ul, grau

Meanwhile my team is just ead

Like how do u lose to koshka

Oh u meant their lb weapons?

[spring osprey]

Koshka cooks

[quartz swift]

Oh pretty explainable

Unless they hardscope then yeah how

[old imp]

Cx9 global dlq global and i forgot the last one

[spring osprey]

Not as hard as an outlaw cooks but still

Dlq global lost to a sniper💀

Thats like their one job

[old imp]

bro the enemy were not even that good

Only the global ul player went above 2kd

[spring osprey]

Is there lb for secondaries?

[quartz swift]

Dlq global is honestly more trustworthy skill wise. People won’t let go of that gun and if someone wants mastery they gotta really compete

[spring osprey]

Catch me #1 j358

[quartz swift]

There isn’t. Idiot devs

[old imp]

He went 15/10

So honestly, copeable

Still though blowing a 49:47 is so stupid

[spring osprey]

Melee abuse would skyrocket. Hidden blessing?

[quartz swift]

A no1 FHJ user would be terrifying to go against

[old imp]

whys arsenal in map rotation i hate this map

[spring osprey]

Hear me out

#1 d13 sector

[quartz swift]

No one gives any map a chance

[spring osprey]

Admittedly you could use it once and top 5 since its so bad but still

[old imp]

id like shoothouse back tanks

[quartz swift]

I wish if there was a valid way to test why is each map bad in a specific area

[spring osprey]

People give crash too many chances

[quartz swift]

Other than that, and standoff, and terminal

[spring osprey]

Sociopath behaviour voting crash in ranked snd

[cold veldt]

Same.

[quartz swift]

For SnD they’re smart with either coastal or Tunisia

[spring osprey]

Standoff i can at least understand

[old imp]

i cannot be going around beaming lb players while my team is getting sauced by a koshka player

[quartz swift]

Rework standoff is fire

[spring osprey]

Crash and terminal? You have forfeited friendship priveleges you pariah to be

[quartz swift]

They immediately jump in the direction that sniper is aiming

Is that right?

Was that koshka player even remotely good in your perspective?

[quartz swift]

In any case. It’s especially why i think better communication is necessary

To completely kill the silent hivemind. Maybe even by chance you get convinced or convince enemies to choose a certain map

For example a real pre-lobby

[spring osprey]

I got random invited by a four stack of jamaicans

Hearing him say no no coastal was very convincing bro was vibing

[wicked stirrup]

I vote nuketown, cuz ik that if it dont, it'll be picked regardless

[quartz swift]

I take my chances

[spring osprey]

Absolute lads btw we still lobby together sometimes

[old imp]

honestly he was alright

[wicked stirrup]

Standoff: 1 - Nuketown: 5

[spring osprey]

I’m the solo summit voter

[wicked stirrup]

Domination: nuketown

[quartz swift]

Same

[old imp]

still aim was not peak

[quartz swift]

Disgusting

[spring osprey]

Summit: 1
Terminal: 9

[wicked stirrup]

[quartz swift]

It’s literally all about who can rule out a lane faster

[spring osprey]

Imagine if shipment was in the dom ranked rotation

[quartz swift]

Then the fate of the whole game is decided

[quartz swift]

They’ll address server issues so fast. It actually needs to be a thing

They’ll even consider banning things from ranked for good

[spring osprey]

Yeah like idk heavy scorestreaks?

Who tf saw cluster strike and was like “ship it ranked tdm will love it”

[old imp]

dude i hate losing 3 times in a row and not even losing 1 ranked xp

Like just let me win no?

not a single guy on my team gets above 1 kd bruh im chilling 14/7/12

man im angry

[spring osprey]

I saw rytec thermite fmj in ranked earlier

Can i be angry with you

[vague sage]

Xd

[spring osprey]

Gn folks

[oblique sedge]

guys

[vague sage]

Gn

[vague sage]

?

[oblique sedge]

do we have trusted hackers here?

my dumb friend got his acc hacked and the hacked changed the emial 🙂

[old imp]

who would trust a hacker? haha

[vague sage]

Trusted what

[floral spruce]

Nah br is too easy

[forest swallow]

takes time

[hasty mist]

ong

[wraith hatch]

finally 170k

ong

[sly stream]

5 bullets for a semi auto

[halcyon violet]

Me, using two bullet semi auto:

Honestly tho if you hit your shots 40% of the time 5 ammo is plenty

[sly stream]

What gun is a two bullet semi auto 😭

[halcyon violet]

The best gun

[sly stream]

No

[halcyon violet]

Yes

[sly stream]

Dont

[halcyon violet]

Yes

[sly stream]

😭

[halcyon violet]

Ü

[old imp]

not the umlaut

[sly stream]

Cancer 🤧

[rose silo]

What's the best gun to use for HP rn not mg42 tho

[halcyon violet]

MG42 sorry

[sly stream]

Grau

[rose silo]

Ight

[halcyon violet]

If you don't want to use mg42 your only other options are thermow or tundra

[rose silo]

Ok

For HP?

[halcyon violet]

Yes

[old imp]

type 19

For ar, i guess

Hvk30 if u can manage ammo

[pearl merlin]

Type 19 (sniper br)

[old imp]

Em2 is also pretty good if its 40r

[sly stream]

Thermow has like 15 bullets per round hell you smoking

Fennec still shreda

[old imp]

Tbf its 2 shot kill

[halcyon violet]

And it only takes two to kill

[old imp]

Still though idk about using it in hp

[halcyon violet]

@atomic bronze

[sly stream]

With a huge delay

[pearl merlin]

Tundra for hardpoint... this playa kreizi

[sly stream]

If it's snd then ok but hp?

[sly stream]

It's good

[halcyon violet]

It also destroys scorestreaks, trophy systems and transform shields

[old imp]

I mean, also u could just land ur two shots and run away

And move to the next enemy while hes still burning

[pearl merlin]

I mostly use fennec and kilo 141

[old imp]

So the ttk is still really good

[sly stream]

Most enemies use flak or dauntless to yk

[old imp]

Most? exaggerating again

[halcyon violet]

Then use mg42

And it's more like 1/5 enemies

[sly stream]

Other than mg42 😭

[old imp]

Most people run lightweight or skulker or even martyrdom

[old imp]

Use type 19 then

Nice and easy

[halcyon violet]

MG42, thermow and tundra are the only ones worth running

[sly stream]

Hell no grau is the better type 19

[sly stream]

Drh

[old imp]

What are u chatting bro

[pearl merlin]

Am I the only one? Pinpoint/Valkyrie?

[halcyon violet]

MG42 destroys it

[old imp]

Type 19 is like the #1 4sk ar right now, its almost a 3 shot kill ar

[halcyon violet]

Unless they manage the 2stk

[sly stream]

Other than mg42 were talking so we assume we don't go against mg42

[halcyon violet]

But it's still far better for hp

[old imp]

Pinpoint is alright but i dont really need the extra callout anymore

Good for beginner players

[pearl merlin]

I used type19 for headshot

[halcyon violet]

You can't assume you won't go against it

You absolutely will

[old imp]

and u cant assume grau is better than t19

[sly stream]

Ew pinpoint

[pearl merlin]

I only have 5 months playing

[old imp]

grau is almost dead average right now

[sly stream]

Aim assist is overrated

[old imp]

Ah i have about same but most of it is ranked

[sly stream]

It shreds long range mid range and close range

[pearl merlin]

Same

[halcyon violet]

Turn it off I dare you

[sly stream]

Bro then why you yapping

[vast wolf]

Agreed

[sly stream]

I do at times

[halcyon violet]

It's mid long range mid range and close range

[pearl merlin]

I never play with it on

[old imp]

it has average ttk lmao its like 270ms

[vast wolf]

Turned it off years ago

[old imp]

At optimal ranges

[sly stream]

Fr

The sticky feeling just goes

[old imp]

Only reason u think it shreds is because the recoil is super easy to control so u can land more shots

[sly stream]

Type 19 also has easy recoil

[halcyon violet]

MG42: "what's recoil?"

[old imp]

Yeah why not use it then

[sly stream]

Why don't I see comp players using type 19 over grau

[halcyon violet]

Because comp players are stupid

[old imp]

garena is chock full of t19 users rn wym, and last year official comp was before t19 was released

[sly stream]

No 😭😭

[halcyon violet]

Yes

[sly stream]

Scrims

[halcyon violet]

They frequently use sub optimal builds

[sly stream]

Rank s

[sly stream]

That's not to show the enemies the best builds before a comp my guy 🙏

[old imp]

probably dont like irons or something 💀 who knows? comp players always run weird stuff

[halcyon violet]

Okay what about in world champs?

What's your excuse then

[hasty mist]

the j358 can one tap 7 meters

[sly stream]

They use optimal builds after stage 4 and 5

[hasty mist]

pretty underrated

[halcyon violet]

No they don't lmao

[sly stream]

They do

[old imp]

if only gri was here hed tear this dude apart with like a 400 word analysis on grau vs t19

[pearl merlin]

These streinxh players

[pearl merlin]

True

[hasty mist]

i thought type 19 and krig were comparable

[sly stream]

Hell no

[old imp]

Kilo is more of a krig comparison

[sly stream]

Krig has way slower firerate

[old imp]

T19 has way less effective range though it has like 6 damage ranges

Made up by having easy recoil and bullet spread and whatnot

ok i slapped the t19 vs grau in media

[hasty mist]

19 solos

shreds

[atomic bronze]

Yes

[atomic bronze]

Yes?

[old imp]

it has like 20% more ads movement speed, slightly more regular speeds, better fire rate (by a bit), similar reloads, and almost half the hit flinch of grau with that build im running

Plus better ads time slightly and similar effective ranges but with slightly better multipliers so one arm shot or chest will equal grau at the 1st range falloff

Ah nvm 2 arm or chest shots, not that hard tho

[sly stream]

Grau and t19 have similar multipliers, except t19 has 1.5 head while grau has 1.4

[halcyon violet]

They're saying thermow bad and Grau good

[old imp]

1.1 lower arms

[sly stream]

For hardpoint

[halcyon violet]

Thermow is literally made for hardpoint

Best mode for it

[magic reef]

Yo

[halcyon violet]

Except maybe dom

[old imp]

not to mention t19 weirdly has a completely straight first 6 shots or something

that is weird i did not notice that

[magic reef]

@old imp

[sly stream]

Enemies use trophies and flak?

[old imp]

Hello

[magic reef]

I was at 1020 yesterday

[old imp]

Seek help

[sly stream]

Boost the server

[magic reef]

Rn 1500

[magic reef]

Eah

[sly stream]

MMR?

[halcyon violet]

Oh no, three shots instead of two! Now it has an average ttk instead of one of the fastest in game

[magic reef]

[sly stream]

Kill is also delayed*

[halcyon violet]

And because everyone uses trophies that makes it better, bc you can clear the trophies to use grenades

[magic reef]

Leaderboard

[sly stream]

Oh

[halcyon violet]

But still guaranteed

[magic reef]

[old imp]

which doesnt matter unless they are running stim which would also remove your problem of trophy systems

[sly stream]

I'm like 3k

[magic reef]

Noice

[sly stream]

Then hvk is better in that case

[magic reef]

You wanna play in a few with me I'm still going for top 100

[sly stream]

Or drh

[sly stream]

Mode?

[magic reef]

Any

I don't mind

[old imp]

hvk or drh dont guarantee kills in 2 shots

😭

[magic reef]

Man o war

With thermite rounds

[old imp]

Yeah thats what we talking about rn

[atomic bronze]

You are forgetting that grau is missing most crucial hitbox, lower arms making its ttk trash past 23 meters

[sly stream]

What if you got engaged in a close range fight without any cover near 5m of you

[fervent plume]

head

[magic reef]

been dyeing to that thing a lot lately

[halcyon violet]

So hvk is better against the one enemy using flak, and thermow beats the other four

[sly stream]

Range superiority with good sttachments

[atomic bronze]

23 meters is with good attachments

[old imp]

what if my cat became a ninja and swiped my phone out of my hand as i was about to kill someone with hvk30? u cant just put every weapon in a worst possible situation to back up ur point

[sly stream]

You don't go against flak users?

[atomic bronze]

Past that it gets hella incosistent

[magic reef]

I want that one pdw leg skin

[old imp]

Only hvk, and thats not really easy compared to 2 legs

[halcyon violet]

1 in 5 uses flak

[fervent plume]

wasnt drh also 2 shot head

[sly stream]

If you're good enough you won't hit lower arms too

[atomic bronze]

@sly stream

Grau has 23 meters of consistent 4 tap bc past that it becomes incoistsent as it goes below 50% due to needing 2/4 chest. Its mobility is bad for that 23 meters range as other smgs have same rsnge but way better mobility. Grau has relatively mid ttk with 246ms in first and 328ms in second range being bad ttk. Only pro grau has is relativdyl easy recoil and large mag at 60 rounds. Also bsa is bad making performance at range even worse do you can oush it to around 27.03 meters

[old imp]

Nerfed now it does like 48

[sly stream]

Recoil pattern is miles beyyer

[atomic bronze]

Hahahahahahahahagagahahahaha

[fervent plume]

ah

[halcyon violet]

Still two shots first range

[fervent plume]

istg you have a clipboard of arguments saved

[magic reef]

Can someone help me out with guns today ?

[old imp]

Drh?

[fervent plume]

grau being the most used one

[halcyon violet]

Oh wait no it doesn't

Ignore that

[atomic bronze]

It isnt type 19 has lower deviation and slightly higher verzical climb

[old imp]

because grau is always the problem when it comes to people recommending guns

[atomic bronze]

I literally do

[atomic bronze]

Nope 49

[magic reef]

I feel like the mythic is not as good as the normal grau

[atomic bronze]

And switch

[old imp]

Also no horizontal recoil and minimal vertical for the first 6 shots i think

[atomic bronze]

I should write paragraph for switch

[old imp]

41 ammo + worse dmgs than bizon dont use

[atomic bronze]

Yes initial recoil is extremely good

[halcyon violet]

Yep I corrected myself

[old imp]

😍

[atomic bronze]

If i did recoil measurements rn overall type would win

[sly stream]

The deviation is still easy to control it goes to the left a bit then to the right all the time

[magic reef]

Quick question why is it when some body is in my face I can never kill them

[atomic bronze]

Yes its still easy vut type is easier

[sly stream]

Kiss them

[old imp]

check recoil pattern of t19 in media its rimrod straight

[magic reef]

I literally kiss one person every snd game

[sly stream]

I have the game open rn

[magic reef]

[halcyon violet]

All deterministic recoil is easy to control

[old imp]

Then it goes to left, but usually u kill them in the first few shots

[atomic bronze]

Deviation on type is literally 0 its a straight line

[halcyon violet]

Doesn't matter how high it is

[old imp]

golly

[sly stream]

@atomic bronze send me a good t19 build I'll compare it with grau

[magic reef]

So is the lk24

[sly stream]

No red dot*

[halcyon violet]

No

[magic reef]

Bur the ttk is better on t19

[halcyon violet]

It's almost straight

But not quite

[sly stream]

It isn't it's straight for a bit then pulls to the left

[sly stream]

Kn44 is better

[magic reef]

I have a ptw sight skin

[halcyon violet]

Yes but it will pull to exactly the same spot each time

[old imp]

yeah, thats initial shots, enough to kill the enemy at the very least

[halcyon violet]

It goes in straight lines

[magic reef]

Someone name a gun that I can use aggressively and passively

[atomic bronze]

Heavyweight suppresor
Agile stock
Polymer grip
Accurate barrel
Fast reload mag

[magic reef]

[old imp]

type 19 for real

[sly stream]

Alr lemme compare stats brb

[atomic bronze]

Wow you actually said sometjing correct for kmce

[old imp]

ah i was using grip/accurate barrel

[atomic bronze]

Just know wth you are looking at

He gonna compare them and fumble some stat for sure

[halcyon violet]

(They won't)

Watch them make a max ads Grau build

[atomic bronze]

Actually ima do it

[atomic bronze]

Nah tac archangel

[magic reef]

Also ? Why can't I ever take someone of a headglitch on long range even though on my screen the bullets should be hitting

[atomic bronze]

For sure

[flat dune]

tfw ppl still use Grau even tho T19 is a straight upgrade

[atomic bronze]

I dont trust them ill compare

[halcyon violet]

Tac
Archangel
No stock
50r

Last attachment maybe cronen?

[old imp]

dang no stock?

[sly stream]

This guy br

[magic reef]

1v1 ?

[sly stream]

It's easier to control

[atomic bronze]

People are dumb isleep. It took mg42 to break reign of aks in br no?

[atomic bronze]

It literally isnt

[old imp]

dawg its a straight line

[flat dune]

Its true

[atomic bronze]

Like both are easy asf to control

[old imp]

what is hard to control about a straight line

[atomic bronze]

But type is easier

[sly stream]

Vertical climb

[magic reef]

I'ma brb

[halcyon violet]

EVERY GUN is easy af to control except random recoil guns

[sly stream]

I'm talking in close range

[flat dune]

Both are really easy
Its a diminishing return
Why sac everything else for less recoil when there is already enough of it?

[sly stream]

Fennec mentioned

[atomic bronze]

Thats like the only compartment where type is slightly worse

[halcyon violet]

Fennec is easy to control too

[atomic bronze]

Tbfh fennec is literally high vertical 0 horizontal 0 deviation

[flat dune]

The reduced recoil of Grau is not enough to justify using it over T19

[old imp]

t19 has better initial recoil anyways

[sly stream]

Really high*

[old imp]

it is almost mg42

[sly stream]

Without sync fov it'll feel hard

[sly stream]

Better ironsight

[atomic bronze]

Tbh if i filled spreadsheet with recoil stats in end type would win

[old imp]

Even random like ak117 is alright, at least with the savaged fate it has a really good irons

[atomic bronze]

Ak117 has no random for firstt few shots iirc

[flat dune]

Now I will not say Grau is bad (Quite frankly those who do are just seeking attention)
But I'm saying that Grau is outshined especially so in the current state of the game

[halcyon violet]

Ak isn't bad, Pharo is tough without building for minimal horizontal

[flat dune]

Again, not enough to justify losing everything else

[sly stream]

I mean it got a Nerf like last season

[fervent plume]

uh

[sly stream]

No

[halcyon violet]

First five I want to say

[sly stream]

Pls don't

[fervent plume]

💀

[halcyon violet]

A big part of this is ak's aim assist

[old imp]

irons are mostly subjective the only truly poor irons that would severely impact your gameplay is like krig or m16

[flat dune]

A minor nerf but a nerf to a gun that was getting powercrept nonetheless

[old imp]

At least for ar's, i dont know smgs

[sly stream]

M16???

Bro said M16 has trash ironsight

[halcyon violet]

@sly stream #codm-media , no sync fov, worst possible recoil

[atomic bronze]

Actually blud is wrong they have same vertical climb

[atomic bronze]

Yes?

[old imp]

again, subjective, they look bad in my opinion and my gameplay is much worse because of it

[atomic bronze]

Like even i who uses base irons have to admit

[halcyon violet]

Two massive circles blocking half your screen?

[atomic bronze]

Nah it aint subjective they suck just that i found a way around irons in my head

[flat dune]

Its kinda true
M16 irons are a blight against humanity

[old imp]

lmao

[flat dune]

Same goes for Krig

And lapa

[atomic bronze]

Isleep i just checked and grau and type have same vertical climb 💀

[sly stream]

Krig is no debate

[sly stream]

Lapa is questionable but yeah

[old imp]

Yeah m16 the aiming part is alright but it blocks too much of your screen

[flat dune]

There is really no point in using grau over type

[old imp]

well i suppose if u have grau myth but not type myth then u would use grau

[flat dune]

But hey, it had its moment for a while so fair nuff

[flat dune]

Sunk-cost fallacy

[old imp]

fallacy but yeah

[atomic bronze]

And even that is arguable

[old imp]

u are a bit close to the wrong word

[atomic bronze]

It had time as eou weapon

[halcyon violet]

Now we've got mg42 which is brain dead easy but also highly competitive

[flat dune]

I sensed my mistake

[old imp]

naughty word

[halcyon violet]

Phallic sunk costs

[old imp]

no

[atomic bronze]

Ye

[fervent plume]

TG you doing br anytime?

[atomic bronze]

Grau was at least mid asf

But good eou

[flat dune]

They really just made a prime Holger 2.0 but instead of strafe speed its raw TTK

[halcyon violet]

Probably later this season, not rn tho bc it's 4am and I really should sleep

[flat dune]

It had this combination of a lil bit of everything while being easy to use

[halcyon violet]

I said I would 45 minutes ago and didn't

[flat dune]

Kinda like the old KN

[fervent plume]

alrighty sweet dreams

[flat dune]

Didn't do anything super well but didn't suck anywhere either

[atomic bronze]

So mid but easy to use

[flat dune]

Even I thought it was bad when it first came out because it had B grade everything
But overtime I understood that it trades potential for reliability

[atomic bronze]

So like yeah im looking and just the fact that type has 37m consistent 4 tap while grau has 23 and type having way better mobility and bsa is enough

[flat dune]

This is just imo

[atomic bronze]

Fair ig

Also i still dont understand main ar kilo

[flat dune]

But I think T19 is kinda overtuned in the sense that it has a little too much for something that is meant to be a jack of all trades, master of none weapon

[atomic bronze]

Yall do it for path and hawk and i still dont understand why ary does it

[flat dune]

Like the build?

[old imp]

dang zibros runs no stock on ak117 i gotta try it ig

[atomic bronze]

Build and slightly the concept but mainly build

[atomic bronze]

Yes i thought that was common?

[old imp]

ahhhh well i was kinda thrown off by only 10% ads movement speed

Was using skeleton stock

[flat dune]

Basically the idea is to maximise the long range accuracy without hurting the ability to rotate around the map with it
Strafe speed generally takes less of a priority for a main AR especially in current meta where you will just die before you can strafe in any meaningful way
There is also no real reason to use it for flex when every other meta weapon is just gonna truck you

[old imp]

what kilo build is this?

[mild notch]

enemy team full of mg42’s in ranked

i’m cooked

[old imp]

honestly might as well join em

[mild notch]

[flat dune]

Tac supp
Ext light barrel
Ranger fg
50r mag
Granulated

[old imp]

Thx

[bold skiff]

Region: Rest of the World

UID/IGN: 6764686087174160385

Rank: master 1 MP, elite 4 BR

Stats: 2.37 KD

About Me: I play with 5 fingers, I mainly use snipers, but I'm good with assault rifles and smgs

Team Expectations: teamwork and non-toxic

[mild notch]

hg40 underrated smg oat

[flat dune]

My personal build looks more like
Tac supp
Marksman
50r mag
Gran
No stock

[old imp]

Huh isnt that just the meta with mono out for tac

[flat dune]

Yeah
I prefer the faster ADS time

[old imp]

Ic

[flat dune]

Kilo is already struggling with TTK in current meta

So you wouldn't really want to make it handle slow

[old imp]

Nah my build that got flamed in #weapon-layouts has better stats than this one 😭

Maybe if gran doesnt factor in the comparison page

[flat dune]

This is probably a statement that would piss ppl off

[atomic bronze]

One problem. Range is ass. Like really ass. Its so counter ontuitive having bad range aka ttk at range but good bsa. I really eanna talk wiith ary on that

[atomic bronze]

No its mono ext or tac marksman they are extremely similar

[old imp]

ah alright

[sly stream]

Bro this type 19 ironsight lacks in long range istg

[old imp]

alr alr i see

[old imp]

its hardpoint stop sniping people

[cyan nest]

All gun is 💩
Knife is the best
Case closed

Du du duuu

[sly stream]

You don't go into people's mouths and kill them

[atomic bronze]

Tbfh it isnt that bad. Its struggling buz it aint bad espceialy if used properly and right build

[sly stream]

1v1

[flat dune]

The current average TTK for meta weapons in the initial range is ~200ms
Kilo has 264ms
This is the issue here

[old imp]

yeah but u shouldnt long range with t19 or grau they have much worse dmg falloff than passive - long range ar

[sly stream]

Grau can long range

[atomic bronze]

Hahahahahahahhhahahahahah

[old imp]

with the same capability as t19, which is to speak of not very good

[cyan nest]

https://tenor.com/view/creed-arms-gif-12367422

[sly stream]

I'm talking in ironsight terms

And it has a way larger mag

[old imp]

i literally full stack mono archangel and it still does 18 damage per shot at 60m

[sly stream]

Not way larger but larger

[sly stream]

That's the final range ofcs it does

And don't use mono ew

[atomic bronze]

Diamonds to diamonds

[sly stream]

T19 does 17

[sly stream]

Mono era is finished

Tac suppressor is hella better

[old imp]

honestly u can probably run the 75 round if u want more ammo it has grau-like movement speed with 75 mag, better hit flinch and better bullet impact

[old imp]

Im range stacking to show u it aint good at longr

[sly stream]

+25% ads time hell no

[atomic bronze]

Hahahahahahaha do you watch cisko?

[sly stream]

No?

[sly stream]

Sisco*

[old imp]

the grip gives it like -25% anyways lmao

[atomic bronze]

Lmao only other person i heard say smth so dumb

[atomic bronze]

Thank you

[atomic bronze]

Stop using %

[sly stream]

I typed it once smh

[sly stream]

It isn't dumb

[atomic bronze]

It is

[sly stream]

Btw he said that?

[atomic bronze]

Yes

That its tac sup era

And mono is trash

[sly stream]

Yeah for like +7 or +12 ads bsp

[flat dune]

I find it strange that ppl say mono is bad now

[sly stream]

It's facts

[atomic bronze]

Again %

[flat dune]

Its just that they operate better for different builds

[sly stream]

No one uses it in comp

[atomic bronze]

Its great way to showcase lack of knowlledge

[sly stream]

Yeah

[atomic bronze]

Open your eyes isleep people still think switch is good.

[sly stream]

For grau would you use mono over tac?

[atomic bronze]

Yes. Nexus mono

[old imp]

Tac archangel and nexus mono are interchangeable u have options

[sly stream]

It's bsa would be trash

[sly stream]

Tac archangel is way better

[atomic bronze]

Literally no

[atomic bronze]

Literally no

[sly stream]

Use it in a game you'll see

[atomic bronze]

This is what i said a while back

[visual tapir]

Qq9+karambit>>>>

[atomic bronze]

People have prejudices towards pipular abd unpoopular guns

[flat dune]

Mono is better for when you want to deal with supp and range in 1 attachment (This is common for aggro builds). Mono is also great for mega stacking range
Tac is better for when you already have a range boosting barrel and you only need the concealment. SMGs that have less range benefit from mono will also get more value from tac

[sly stream]

Fr

[old imp]

the bsa would be 7% less for like 10% more effective range and ads movement speed

[sly stream]

Yeah for guns with marksman

Tac is way better than mono

[sly stream]

You won't hit shots in range

What's even the point of having the range

[old imp]

dawg 7% will not turn grau spread into hipfire

[old imp]

so u can do more damage at longer range, if needed, esp if u can extend first range

[sly stream]

7% is bad enough

[sly stream]

Archangel is enough

[old imp]

just run gran to offset it if u really care that much

[flat dune]

SX9 is basically the Grau of SMGs tbh

[old imp]

My kilo build has +1% ads spread and it beams moving targets perfectly up to like 33m

[sly stream]

Yeah clean ironsight and allat

[atomic bronze]

Except its way more mid

[atomic bronze]

It isnt

[sly stream]

Kilo isn't grau

[atomic bronze]

When you have range as bad as grau

Nexus mono shines

[old imp]

But grau doesnt have a horrible initial bsa anyways

[sly stream]

For a huge drop in ads bsp hell no

[old imp]

Huge

Man im dead

[atomic bronze]

Huge?

[flat dune]

Yeah its alright at everything an SMG needs
Just nothing special at any field
Pmuch the barebones SMG

[sly stream]

7 is noticeable

[atomic bronze]

Bro please dont argue if you dont know stats

[old imp]

Is gran ads movement penalty huge

[atomic bronze]

7?

[old imp]

We should stop using gran

[sly stream]

7% increase in ads bsp

[atomic bronze]

🤦‍♂️

[sly stream]

Hell no

[old imp]

that doesnt mean you'll hit 7% less shots by the way

[atomic bronze]

4% but like +4 taper siooo

[cyan nest]

kNifE is ThE bEssttTTtttttt!!11!!!1

[sly stream]

It could in an indirect way

[old imp]

no it wouldnt because you're not aiming at a dot ur aiming at a hitbox and hopefully at the middle of it

[sly stream]

At what range?

[old imp]

at effective range

[sly stream]

I'm talking about 50-60m

[old imp]

so to speak like 20-30m

[sly stream]

Long range

[old imp]

why are you at long range all the time with grau

can i recommend tundra instead

[sly stream]

Grau would still be in first range

[atomic bronze]

Where grau is unusable anyway?

[sly stream]

It's very usable smh

[old imp]

that is the point thats why its called effective range

Use it effectively

[sly stream]

I'm talking about the long range gunfights during endgame or sm

[old imp]

Besides if u were always at 50-60m mono nexus would be great so u wouldnt get that big falloff to a 6sk

Actually lemme see

[atomic bronze]

1.94 meters less gbsa wow huge difference. And thats max bsa taper is probably even more minor

[atomic bronze]

At long range? No

[old imp]

which would not happen most of the time lol

[atomic bronze]

@old imp

[old imp]

golly

[atomic bronze]

Endgame?

[old imp]

yeah if u have mono nexus u can still scrape a 5sk leg at 54m

53.6 to be exact, with tac archangel it goes below

[sly stream]

Yeah

[atomic bronze]

What

[old imp]

50.8

[sly stream]

Wdym what

[atomic bronze]

What endgame in mp

Mp doesnt have endgame per se

[sly stream]

Bro

End game

Near the end of a game

Like a tight hp game

[old imp]

if its tight why ar eyou at 50=60m bro

[sly stream]

130 132

[old imp]

shouldnt u be trying to do something about the score

[atomic bronze]

Ik what endgame is but endgame aint so much different to start game

[sly stream]

Yeah

Ever heard of anchoring

[old imp]

Which is sitting at 50-60m with a grau??

[sly stream]

Holding spawns for team

[atomic bronze]

Like it doesnt make your range go from 20 to 60m

[sly stream]

People rush anchors the most

[atomic bronze]

You use anchor qeapon for that not grau

[quartz swift]

That factor doesn’t affect gun performance itself?

What goes on here. I open this chat with no context

[sly stream]

Grau is very effective for anchoring

[old imp]

Holding from other side of crossfire??? dawg i think ur overexaggerating the range ur at while anchoring

[sly stream]

Except for maps like raid

[atomic bronze]

Hahahhahahahhahahhahhahahahahha

[old imp]

grau glazer

[sly stream]

Hp crossfire?

[atomic bronze]

I cant

[atomic bronze]

Grau rider

[atomic bronze]

@quartz swift look at this

[quartz swift]

Let go of that mediocre thing please

The less you use it the more likely it’s getting something nice

[old imp]

not a bad weapon but its not god bro

[sly stream]

I didnt tell it is

[quartz swift]

Now it really has nothing going for it. Not even ease of use

[old imp]

stop hyping it up so much then 💀

[quartz swift]

We have just type 19 stronger in 1:1 everything else

[sly stream]

When did I hype it up ffs

[atomic bronze]

@sly stream yiu know that only con nexus mono has over tac archangel is 1 meter less max bsa range which is practicly insignificant? Everytging else is better on nexus mono. Wo

[atomic bronze]

It is

Grau is mid asf

Like lets not lie

Only eou carries it

[thorny bay]

Hi guys 😭

[atomic bronze]

Besides almost all ars outshine it

[quartz swift]

Hardly*

[old imp]

anchor, mag, ironsight, bullet spread, recoil,u can scroll up the chat to find some more if u want

You didnt even say a single negative about it not even "oh it looks bad"

[sly stream]

You ever played ranked or comp?

[old imp]

Hey

[old imp]

Tectonic is one of the best comp players doesnt mean you'd touch his kilo build

[sly stream]

Mag is good ironsight is clean I'm talking about not sacrificing 7% bsa

[quartz swift]

Ranked or comp can do all they want it doesn’t change how a gun works

[old imp]

Which is terrible

[old imp]

Run granulated then? Not a big deal

[sly stream]

It very much could bruh

[quartz swift]

Nah

[sly stream]

Wdym nah

[quartz swift]

What it did change is nerfs for overused weapons as far as I’m concerned

[old imp]

comp players use too much grau its like second hand lobotomy

[atomic bronze]

I play ranked regularly am legendary every ssason why do you ask me that inszead of replying to my proof nexus mono>tac archangel

[mild notch]

yep that’s enough ranked for this season entirely

[quartz swift]

Can’t let go of that brain rot easy gun. Is it really about skill?

[sly stream]

Leaderboard?

[old imp]

id even say t19 takes less skill bruh

[mild notch]

better play br than this mg42player

[sly stream]

Legendary is pointless

[atomic bronze]

Nah i dont grind enough for that

[atomic bronze]

Ot isnt thats where games are most fun

[sly stream]

How many points at end of season?

[atomic bronze]

I get around 10k and them i get bored grinding

[quartz swift]

Some of the most biased players because of this. I think devs shouldn’t take notes for what “pros” consider balance

[sly stream]

Grind for 10k?

[atomic bronze]

10k bro just answer my argument dont ask stupid questions

[sly stream]

What arguement

[atomic bronze]

I dont geind i play once in a while and get 10k passively

[sly stream]

Leave ut

[atomic bronze]

@sly stream this. You just skopped this

[sly stream]

What's your arguement

[old imp]

lb players are largely bad aside from top 100 or players on popular weapons lb like dlq, tundra and krm, and yes, grau

Doesnt make the guns optimal just means they're good at the game to make it look dominating meta

[atomic bronze]

First of all nexus mono>tac archangel

[quartz swift]

Indeed. It’s mainly because how flawed leaderboard is and you can’t tell if it’s mastery for br or mp

[old imp]

Although tundra is optimal

[old imp]

Ah seriously? i didnt even know that

[quartz swift]

Unless the sheep in wolves clothing shows

[old imp]

Lmao

[sly stream]

I'm talking from a long range perspective btw

[old imp]

nexus mono has better range

[sly stream]

Idk bout yall if y'all talking bout close mid

[old imp]

Also better ads movement by like 8%

Almost completely deletes the last 18 dmg range

[quartz swift]

I’ve seen more players use more uncommon guns then switch to grau as it gets heated. Progress is progress

Like i’ve seen plenty of groza and tundra lately

[atomic bronze]

Where grau is unusable?

[sly stream]

Bro

[sly stream]

Have you even used the gun enough instead of t19?

[old imp]

Yeah i played against grau global lb #17 using hvk30 he cooked me so hard once he switched back to grau i ngl

[atomic bronze]

Of course thats range where grau is used

[quartz swift]

Yes. I am sick of it now

[old imp]

Yea? If it pushes the last range back it'll push all the ranges back lol

[atomic bronze]

I have usdd grau a lil but switched to better options immidietly

[weary kayak]

Isn't bsa already bad for an ar

[old imp]

No

[sly stream]

Not to u my g 🙏

[weary kayak]

I don't use grau anymore doe

[old imp]

For some ar's possibly but most ar's are good base bsa

[quartz swift]

Okay sorry

[sly stream]

Use it you'll see

What rank r u rn

[atomic bronze]

Its mid but like fange is even more mid so boost range. Nexus mono has better mobility

[atomic bronze]

I wont

[weary kayak]

Ahh got it

[atomic bronze]

I love when people tell me ,, try it bro"

Like im not handicapped at reading and comprehending like you

[sly stream]

Why don't you?

[quartz swift]

Because you already did to make the assumption

[old imp]

because its not as good mate

[quartz swift]

You’re him.

[weary kayak]

Because it's a bad gun

[sly stream]

Always using the meta gets boring

[old imp]

grau has been overused for ages bro

how is that not boring

[mild notch]

real

[quartz swift]

Type 19 is seeing some light in my ranked matches too

[sly stream]

I'm talking about the players who hasn't used the gray

[mild notch]

grau is really boring i cant believe someone still uses it

[sly stream]

Grau

[weary kayak]

Same

[quartz swift]

The players are more or less the same as average grau user

[old imp]

Who hasnt, everyone on earth has recommended it at least once for starting players

[atomic bronze]

Why would i?

[sly stream]

To check it out?

Play like 10 leggy hp games

[quartz swift]

Do you think he’s new to the game or something

[weary kayak]

For beginners grau and bizon are good options

[old imp]

what makes u think he hasnt checked it out hes literally paid to make gunsmiths and stuff

[old imp]

Yeah exactly

[sly stream]

Every game atleast 2nd place that's all I demand 🙏

[wicked stirrup]

I barely used it, so its not boring for me

[sly stream]

Yeah

[wicked stirrup]

I dont think i even have gold for it

[weary kayak]

He's the GE(Y).

[sly stream]

For players like u

[atomic bronze]

I know how it performs

Grau has 23 meters of consistent 4 tap bc past that it becomes incoistsent as it goes below 50% due to needing 2/4 chest. Its mobility is bad for that 23 meters range as other smgs have same rsnge but way better mobility. Grau has relatively mid ttk with 246ms in first and 328ms in second range being bad ttk. Only pro grau has is relativdyl easy recoil and large mag at 60 rounds. Also bsa is bad making performance at range even worse do you can oush it to around 27.03 meters

[old imp]

Bizon, grau, sx9, dlq33, probably some of the most recommended weapons in the game

[quartz swift]

I’d argue what grau only has over type 19 is relatively easier gunsmith. Otherwise even for noobs type 19 is significantly better

In the same “ease of use” area mind you

[atomic bronze]

No thats zibros

[weary kayak]

The recoil on grau

[old imp]

Yea sure but you've still used it

[quartz swift]

Which is the same?

[atomic bronze]

Is same as on type

[weary kayak]

Idk tho haven't used type

[sly stream]

He literally said barely

[atomic bronze]

Vertical at least

[mild notch]

tbh it’s been ages since i used ar’s last

[weary kayak]

I just use hvk

[mild notch]

smg gang

[atomic bronze]

Okay so?

[old imp]

Well u work with him so really if he doesnt influence you then that would be weird

[old imp]

And u said "For players who didnt use grau"

Which he did

[atomic bronze]

A little bit. Like i added as val and 117 to top 15 nothing gtound breaking

[old imp]

Refer back to "everyone on earth has used grau"

[wicked stirrup]

Grau is mid asf

[sly stream]

You don't get the point I'm talking abt

[sly stream]

Use it ffs

[wicked stirrup]

I did

[quartz swift]

And gri is our stat nerd and has already tested what grau can do

[wicked stirrup]

Mid asf

[sly stream]

Use it for like 70 games you'll see

[old imp]

Yes because u are giving me words that mean one thing and expecting me to read something else

[wicked stirrup]

Why would i torture myself

[quartz swift]

Surviving 70 games on a suboptimal gun

[atomic bronze]

What happens then

[quartz swift]

Oh god

[sly stream]

70 games torture?

[old imp]

I already have bro 😭 Not proud of it

[atomic bronze]

Just say why would someone do that

[mild notch]

Real

[sly stream]

Alr

[wicked stirrup]

Ye

[old imp]

T19 buff drops i drop grau immediately

[atomic bronze]

When i know how it performs already

[sly stream]

It wont

[atomic bronze]

And i know every single thing about grau

[old imp]

Plus kilo was always my favourite ar

[quartz swift]

How

[atomic bronze]

What

[sly stream]

Others don't?

[old imp]

it already happened

[quartz swift]

What is this bias

[sly stream]

For them to make optimal builds for them?

[atomic bronze]

You told me to try it

[dark plank]

same

[quartz swift]

I’ve even seen ranked matches with type 19 being more mainstream

[old imp]

good irons

[sly stream]

Ok have you?

[atomic bronze]

Why would i try the grau give me reason @sly stream

[mild notch]

am i a trash player if i say i’ve been using type 25 as my last AR

[sly stream]

Bro I'm done I'm getting tired

[atomic bronze]

Yea when it came out and i disliked it and switched to better ars

[sly stream]

No

[quartz swift]

I can’t lie about that. When ranked players pick something up it’s not even because it’s meta, it’s easy to use

[old imp]

dude think about what u are saying he is a stat nerd the dude spends 10 hrs a day staring at gunsmiths and using them in game

[atomic bronze]

Me too you didnt say a single smart thing

[quartz swift]

When they found out type 19 is easy to use they immediately picked it

[dark plank]

yeah true I like it better than hvk

[wicked stirrup]

Type 19 being good is chinese propaganda

[old imp]

nuh uh

[sly stream]

Nuh uh

[quartz swift]

I know. They broke it

It was balanced on release

[weary kayak]

Crazyyy

[mild notch]

real

[wicked stirrup]

Ccp paid timi to make it good

[old imp]

it is bonkers 🇨🇳

[quartz swift]

Kinda

[atomic bronze]

You were literally false at everything you said

[weary kayak]

People have started to use the cbr more again

[mild notch]

lord have mercy

[sly stream]

It got a slight buff

[old imp]

people like to remember the past

[quartz swift]

It got something nice. Still mid in my eyes

[sly stream]

After that it became dead again

[weary kayak]

Mcmc hipfire actually goes brr this season

[quartz swift]

Damn right, finally it’s good for cqb

[weary kayak]

Gives me tier 8 brain damage

[old imp]

Ah well i wasnt around for cbr meta so im ok with some variety

Better than seeing 12 thousand mg42 shots a game

[atomic bronze]

@sly stream btw if your forgot

Grau has 23 meters of consistent 4 tap bc past that it becomes incoistsent as it goes below 50% due to needing 2/4 chest. Its mobility is bad for that 23 meters range as other smgs have same rsnge but way better mobility. Grau has relatively mid ttk with 246ms in first and 328ms in second range being bad ttk. Only pro grau has is relativdyl easy recoil and large mag at 60 rounds. Also bsa is bad making performance at range even worse do you can oush it to around 27.03 meters

Type has everything better except mag size which is plenty on type anyway

[mild notch]

you better be happy you werent there

[atomic bronze]

Nah it wasnt that bad

[old imp]

Sure

I am not really cqc player anyways so idk if it woulda affected me that bad anyways

[mild notch]

pure frenzy rage emotions

[weary kayak]

Ain't no may you pulled the redditor here 😭

[quartz swift]

Or, can type 19 run a 75 round mag on flex ar gunsmith?

[flat dune]

Its not that its bad
Its just mad repetitive and boring

[mild notch]

the worst one was akimbo fennec one i agree

[flat dune]

Like "Oh, its this gun again."

[mild notch]

but cbr era was annoying af too

[weary kayak]

Na45 meta

[sly stream]

So you're saying from a statistical perspective that grau is trash above 50m?

[weary kayak]

Was the snd abomination

[mild notch]

camping on the house in crash

[weary kayak]

Exactly

[quartz swift]

Imma try it. Suboptimal as it may be. I want mag size to be a pro even on type 19

[atomic bronze]

Above 50? Boy itsa trash past 23

[sly stream]

Na45 garena

[old imp]

Yeah i was trying it, it works fine

[sly stream]

Hell no

We aren't talking abt base

[weary kayak]

The KREAM goat

[old imp]

Just using yuutsarami's lmg conversion and using the grip instead of fmj

[sly stream]

No krm bots 😭

[weary kayak]

Krm good

[sly stream]

I'm talking about krm bots

[mild notch]

krm greyyyt

[quartz swift]

Surprisingly fast reload for a 75 round mag. Looks more true to the vibe of a soldier going into so much shoot-house

[sly stream]

Bots literally bots

Ai bots with krm

[old imp]

Its really too mobile for 75 rounds i cant lie

Feels like lmg without fmj buffs

[sly stream]

I've gotten crossmapped with bots with krm

[old imp]

But its actually ar speed and ads

[quartz swift]

I mean it deserves a lil something

[atomic bronze]

Im talking about standard build. Its ttk gets trash after 23 meters and bsa goes trash after approximatly 30

[old imp]

a lil NERF!!

[quartz swift]

Yeah i agree revert the bsa

[old imp]

didnt need it to be good anyways

[quartz swift]

Or give the mag movement penalty

[old imp]

it has a bit

[quartz swift]

Movement speed*

[old imp]

not that much to matter since agile stock

[quartz swift]

Ads movement speed I specifically meant

[old imp]

Oh yeah it has 10% minus

Easily offset

[quartz swift]

?

I’ll see again

[old imp]

The lmg conversion mag

nvm

im wrong @quartz swift

Maybe thats part of why its so op

Still doesnt 6% movement speed debuff translate to ads movement speed? or no?

[quartz swift]

The mag also doesn’t buff fmj

[old imp]

Yeah its why yuut used fmj perk for lmg conversion build

[quartz swift]

It does kinda, overall movement is reduced. But doesn’t directly affect actual ads movement

[old imp]

I just replaced it with polymer grip

[old imp]

Ah alright

[quartz swift]

So if you’re at 4.0m movement for example it’s reduced to 3.75

[old imp]

Yeah does it affect sprint or ads move?

oh yah it does

alrighty

[vague sage]

Ah yes, nothing more like getting a lot of MVPs with the mythic

[weary kayak]

Idk man people say ads time is an irrelevant stat but I say it's necessary on aggro smgs

[old imp]

most smgs have excellent ads time so doesnt really affect them, more ar's or lmg's

[quartz swift]

Now i want a niche for type 19. Another gun without fmj perk, but special mag conversions (75 drum, hi accuracy) give it greatly increased fmj

[weary kayak]

It helps even tho you have to pre ads

[old imp]

[weary kayak]

Ohh nono I've seen people build slow ar like ads speeds on fennec

And stuff

[old imp]

wtf

Well just dont do that use an actual good build

[atomic bronze]

Pwople are dumb

[old imp]

And ads time is not an issue

[atomic bronze]

Like just few minutes ago we had case of guy who said grau is good at 50 meters

Lile bruh

[old imp]

Unless u purposely stack ads time debuff onto smgs i dont think you'd notice anything anyways

[quartz swift]

@atomic bronze can i use rubberized grip on agr 556? (Bsa and movement is still good despite it apparently)

[mild notch]

it tickles from that range lmaoo

[atomic bronze]

You can but like dont

Rubber is trash on everything except bursts and oden

[atomic bronze]

And bsa is trash

[old imp]

my kilo would never fail at those measly ranges

[flat dune]

Ayo lowkey rubberised is kinda viable on AGR

Since it already has god BSA for an SMG

[quartz swift]

I’m saying like??

It’s much denser than some passive ars at base (556 mag)

[old imp]

alright time to test rubberized swordfish

[quartz swift]

And most smgs and some flex ars (base mag)

[old imp]

see if i can get 0 recoil

[vague sage]

Give swordfish the full auto perk

[atomic bronze]

But loke recoil isnt bad why would you do it 😭

[quartz swift]

I uhhhhh

[old imp]

uhh

[quartz swift]

I have skill issue

[old imp]

it would be like sub 150ms ttk with 0 recoil and 40m effective range

[quartz swift]

Can i just minimize recoil without consequences?

[vague sage]

Eh, skulker + steady stock?

[quartz swift]

What if halberd mag either increases fire rate or burst intervals?

Like tec-9 fast intervals

[old imp]

halberd mag is so goated

no other attachment could single handedly give so much benefit

[quartz swift]

It is. I don’t think it’s worth the punishment. But it’s more consistent now

[sly stream]

Large caliber 🗣️🗣️

[old imp]

base swordfish aint allat anyways

[old imp]

Nah bro halberd strips that naked

[vague sage]

Lmao

[sly stream]

Ok

[atomic bronze]

Especialy post buff

[sly stream]

Bro these people I'm playing with js choosed crash over takeoff