game-discussion

[floral dagger]

when is update 4

[junior flicker]

#patch-notes

[olive onyx]

Hi

[teal forge]

Trees need to drop their saplings. Shouldn't be forced to farm totally unrelated plants to get them

[pseudo plank]

A 4th drop would be kinda annoying for inventory space though

[gloomy plaza]

My homeless character sleeping on the grass floor while rain still pouring on him inside the tent

[tacit sleet]

You can imagine that every tree produces seeds, but only with the use of life essence the seed evolves into living sapling.

[plain wasp]

How to fix Hytale inventory:
Reduce all slot but hotbar down to 1 only
Done

[teal forge]

Yeah but you can't really get essences from trees unless im mistaken. Also you're still forced to do farming since most of the saplings are locked in the farmers bench. It's ridiculous. Life essences are just an arbitrary step to make quality of life worse for the player

[pseudo plank]

Max stack 1, 1 inventory slot, 1 utility slot, 1 armour slot. Fixed

[pseudo plank]

It doesn't take long to acquire life essence though. Even without farming, just finding vegtables in the wild will give you a decent amount. But you need to start farming to upgrade your farming bench to get a lot of the saplings so you'll have a supply of life essence anyways

[olive warren]

I'm not sure but does flowing water or not work anymore for the crops. Like the canals every two soil block? I'm making my new garden at my main base now and thought I would check with you guy in here.

[tacit sleet]

The idea may be that if you kill an animal or tree, you won't get the essence. But if you harvest fruit (apples so far and vegetables), you will obtain the essence.

[teal forge]

Having to upgrade is also stupid. You can chop down as many redwood trees as you want at any stage of the game but it still takes a huge amount of effort with random unrelated plants just to be able to replant them

[pseudo plank]

Upgrading just the farming bench or upgrading in general? Cant tell if you just hate farming or the whole system

[teal forge]

I mean having to upgrade the farming bench to unlock certain saplings

[pseudo plank]

But you're okay with needing to upgrade to unlock stronger tools and armour?

[shell dome]

Neither source blocks or flowing water does anything with farming. This was only in the very first version of the game and has been patched out right after.
Watering with the water can, fertilizer and light (during the night) helps crops grow faster.

[pseudo plank]

It's essentially the same thing. By the time you get to zone 3 for redwood, you should already have a supply of a bunch of other materials including life essence. You would've needed food by then so farming should've been on your to do list

[rigid knoll]

To be fair, you COULD just add the saplings to the loot tables of the trees 🤷‍♂️

[shell dome]

So what would work better that still incentives the player to farm?

[pseudo plank]

Also that ^ there are plenty of mods that do this. There are some that increase life essence drops and others that replant automatically for you

[teal forge]

Food is enough I think. I'm also not a fan of the farming system so I don't think people should be FORCED to engage with it. Farming for things like getting feed for animals and animal breeding and rearing makes sense

[hollow bridge]

I haven't gone deep into the game yet but what does life essence do except for trading with chief kweebec

[shell dome]

So you'd break out the system, then the next complaint would be "Why do I need to first grow these crops to be able to make seeds for the other crops that I like more."
Its gamified, for a good reason.
Additionally, as for anything making "sense", it's a magical world, things have essense. Your ideas of how the world should work doesn't apply here.
I for one really enjoyed the farming system. It's well thought out, and the saplings are a bonus.

[rigid knoll]

You also don’t HAVE to farm. Been playing since day one and the only thing I have needed life essence for is to purchase the food recipes. You can also just not use the high end foods. Or, again, just make the recipe’s easier to craft…the game has all of the tools built in to make it play how you want. Just have to be willing to learn

[tired stump]

Make seeds for crops to farm

[hollow bridge]

oh farming

wait when you farm you have to get more life essence than what you put in right?

[shell dome]

Farming is always a life essence net positive, yeah.

[pseudo plank]

yeah, it'll take a few days to get like 500+ essence just by replanting (depending on farm size ofc)

misread that but the rest still applies

[hollow bridge]

well then that's fine, I think the gameplay just wants you to progress for a longer period of time, you are always guaranteed more life essence so there's no tediousness, right?

you aren't softlocked or anything

[fading patio]

sooo u can't sheer the sheep before taming it ?

[plain wasp]

not anymore

[teal forge]

Then the game becomes deforestation simulator and all trees are eventually cut down.

[teal forge]

There's a difference between gamifying things and making things arbitrarily complex for no good reason (workbench slop like Palworld) I like the idea of being able to exchange the produce of crops for different seeds, but having crops drop seeds could open up more freedom for different people's preferred playstyles.

• If you like to stay at home in your countryside cottage's vegetable patch, you could trade excess seeds for essences of life which can be used to upgrade the bench and buy seeds for more exotic plants. Alternatively you could buy them from Qweebecks.

• If you're an adventurer, you could find wild crops in distant lands. Your journey is rewarded by collecting their seeds and being able to grow them back at your base.

• Same mechanics for trees.

With essences, you constantly need to make trips back and forth between your field and the farmers workbench (which you will probably only have one of for your entire base) and then know the EXACT number of seeds you need to buy. If seeds were dropped then you could simply plant them as you collect them and convert the excess seeds to essences (perhaps a special magical chest to automatically do this?) I know eternal crops kinda let you do this but they're kinda odd.

Or maybe don't change the current system but allow some kind of tool to drop seeds from crops.

[frozen eagle]

Isn't the sheers supposed to give you seeds back from wild crops?

Something I heard a while back

[teal forge]

That sounds cool but you can plant the seeds then harvest the crops and can't plant any more if they arent unlocked, so exploration is not rewarded

[red finch]

you do know you're extending a lot of energy and criticism for a game that is early access, the devs could have kept shelved, for a game that's going to undergo some major planned overhauls over the next year, including farming, world gen, combat, graphics, textures, additional zones, more items and blocks... like realistically, if "released" is 100%, my suspiscion, is they haven't completed 10% of their plans. So.........why waste your time at all? seems a little silly.

[frozen eagle]

The point of early access is to criticize mechanics?

[teal forge]

how is this wasting time? I'm voicing a complaint about the current system in hopes it may be changed and seeing what people think of my ideas

[red finch]

They have a plan and a direction. I'm reasonably confident they won't read walls of text in discord before using feedback emailed to them. Just seems silly to argue with people here about what you think.

[frozen eagle]

I think you're the only one making it an issue mate

[teal forge]

I'm obviously going to put an official feedback on the support site but its good to see what other people think too

[red finch]

You do you booboo, just thinking you could save yourself aggrivation. I'll shut up now.

[river gull]

For what it's worth I agree with you that essence to get seeds is weird and illogical.

Some mechanics just feel like they wanted to legally differentiate themselves from Minecraft

[teal forge]

Idk if theres something amazing im not seeing in the farming system and that the mechanics of not being able to replant and having to run back and forth between bench and farm and entering the exact size of your field every time is somehow peak gameplay design

[full vortex]

You don't need to engage with the farming system at all if you don't want to.
Also, you can even create a mod so that you turn something like raw meat into an Apple Pie, and get you good food that don't require any work.
Do you want me to make you a mod for that, @teal forge?

[frozen eagle]

Not really a solution to the problem is modding it out, I think base farming needs a change

[full vortex]

It does need changes, but my personal guess is that we'll see it evolve a lot before 1.0
(I personally like it, even if it is a bit grindy to get even a 5x5 eternal crop plot)

[teal forge]

Not sure how much of it is legal stuff here lol. Some of the different stuff I really do like, such as how you need to have much more water to irrigate farmland, watering, crop variety, etc. And the essences of life definetly tie into Gaia and the game story somehow and the devs probably have some interesting lore about it. But it could be implemented better to improve quality of life.

And yes, the farming system is mostly optional which is neat, except for the fact that you can't replant trees without it, and the game becomes deforestation simulator.

[clever quest]

Theres a mod for that

[teal forge]

imagine needing a mod to fix the base game

But real servers are impossible to find anyways with all the AI slop so thats less of a bad solution

[frozen eagle]

All the ai slop pmo lmao. Uncreative slop

[teal forge]

I need to look and see if any of the big youtubers have servers. Much better way of finding servers than the current multitude of fake server lists

Hytale needs an official server browser

[clever quest]

Simon already said as much that its coming

won't be surprised if its pay to promote though

[teal forge]

ALL HAIL SIMON

[ebon rune]

but we cant wait

[red finch]

I think that server list is in update 4

so sometime between 2-4 more weeks, I think, is the time table for update 4

[teal forge]

Awesome, im gonna go around building giant wooden fortresses on servers. Might unfortunately mean all the trees get chopped down tho

[fading patio]

/0

[red finch]

saplings are cheap to make and replace, so if you deforest the world, its cheap to reforrest 😛

[floral dagger]

when is update 5

[teal forge]

Yeah just gotta run all the way back to base, level up the farming bench to the right level, buy the right number of saplings with essences then run all the way back to the redwood forest just to replant them

[olive warren]

So as far as farming goes and we have the orchard mod installed, Do all animals poop? I know that question can look funny. But so far I've only gotten poop from my sheep when I shearing their wool.

[olive warren]

Also I have found if some of the stump is still in the ground it will sprout sapling. So I generally cut one above the bottom and then when the saplings sprout I break them and rinse and repeat as much as I can while I'm out deforesting around my base on our server

[teal forge]

No mods for real? That's really really cool I need to test this

[olive warren]

I forgot to add it's not every stump every so often there's a sapling on it. Check it out and give it a try

[olive warren]

Yeah so I generally do like a circle back to the trees that I started with and sometimes there's a sapling there. I find that if it's going to spawn a sampling it happens fairly quickly after chopping it down. Maybe 3 to 5 min. I've also noticed that if it doesn't spawn it in that time it generally won't ever on that particular stump.

[prisma geyser]

chiken, cow, sheep poop

[olive warren]

Maybe I'm just missing it. But I've only gotten poop from my sheep. I'll pay more attention now and see what's happening

[uneven nexus]

That seems like a simple enough mod ngl..

[olive warren]

I've gone through all our mods and I don't believe it's from a mod but I can always check in single player.

[red finch]

I never noticed that, I’ll watch to see if that happens in my world

I have wondered if there is some version of chunk or resource regeneration in the game because it does seem like sometimes I’m picking up endless amounts of stuff in an area I’ve not broken any blocks before. Constantly running, collecting stuff that seemingly is always available and there.

[shell dome]

Sorry, you say "same mechanics for trees", why does an adventurer need consistently the same trees? I can get crops, as it turns to food, but why trees? Are you or are you not a builder?
Not to mention, you can find plenty trees out on the road.

[grim flame]

has anybody here sent a request in the support website and actually gotten a response? i sent one over 3 weeks ago and still nothin'

[plucky sundial]

There is a mod called 'Regrowth' that does the sapling stump thing.. I had considered downloading it at one point. If you have that installed it would explain it potentially.

[craggy seal]

Maybe your request is in a deep backlog? Not that I have sent any.

[clever quest]

There is also Tree Harvester, but it appears to be broken right now. At least I never was able to get it to work (tbh I think it needs updated)

[acoustic jasper]

a big chunk of mods are currently broken.

[plucky sundial]

I'm waiting on one mod to be updated... Bronze Age.. it's the last one for my 'update 2' modded game to run that I am aware of

[acoustic jasper]

Regrowth was updated one month ago. It's pretty much deprecated

[plucky sundial]

Ahh.. was still in update 2 myself when I was looking at it.. decided against it since I wanted to clear-cut the forests, level the land, and build a city

[teal forge]

I mean you should be able to either unlock new saplings for purchase at the farmers bench or go out exploring to collect new tree saplings you can plant at home

[shell dome]

Why?

[teal forge]

I think it is a mod. I've chopped down a bunch of trees around my base and none of them have grown a sapling on top.

[shell dome]

Just because you're used to how Minecraft does it doesn't mean one should be able to.

[teal forge]

The current system is inferior. Not every builder wants to be forced to either commit amazon-level deforestation or start a massive farm of unrelated crops just to get saplings

Why don't you tell me why you love the current system so much?

[shell dome]

I think the minecraft system is inferior. Being able to just replant trees so easily with zero effort, always having too many saplings.

It's clear that Hytale is making trees more of a chore, with their roots going through things, and the saplings not being readily available. I welcome the change of making it less monotonous.

[teal forge]

Now explain why it's so much better that you can't get the saplings/seeds from the trees themselves like IN REAL LIFE

[clever quest]

This is a game, ||not real life||

[shell dome]

Hytale isn't real life, why does the game need to be like real life? You need to resow crops in real life as well, do you want to remove eternal crops? Should we remove the monsters, as that's not in real life eiher?

[pseudo plank]

You're telling me I cant shear chickens for their eggs irl?

[teal forge]

Since when did I have any issue with resowing crops

[clever quest]

You'll never know unless you try.

[pseudo plank]

Time to find some chickens

[shell dome]

Because, if you want to apply your argument with a game needing to be more like real life, then that should apply to all other aspects of the game as well, not just trees. Otherwise your argument holds no water, as you're cherrypicking.

[river gull]

Solid puns 👍

[teal forge]

Now defend why making things a chore makes a game better

[shell dome]

Because starting up a game, and hitting a single button to win it is much better? Pardon the straw man, but it still works.

[teal forge]

You're really missing the point here

[river gull]

I think at this point you should consider that argumenting with people really isn't that productive. you've already made your point. You're not going to convince anyone.

[clever quest]

Lol, seems like you are the one who is missing the point

[shell dome]

I really am not. A game is made of challenges. The farming station and needing to upgrade it to unlock better wood is part of the challenge. If you don't like that challenge, either mod it, or accept that the game is not for you. This isn't about accessibility.

[teal forge]

have any of you actually tried tree farming

[river gull]

You've already give the feedback to Hytale, you asked us what our opinions are, you had your answer. What else do you want now?

[shell dome]

Yes, multiple times. Very successfully, I might add.

[pseudo plank]

The game is designed how the devs wanted it for early access, if you dont like it and wanna change it, they've included some amazing modding tools so that you can change what you want. The only thing stopping you is yourself

[clever quest]

Its not even that; for most games this would be a valid point. But this is Hytale, which is a 'modding-first' oriented game. If you don't like any aspect of the opinionated gameplay loop the developers implemented, you can change it with mods.

[teal forge]

I prefer multiplayer so modding isnt really much of an option

[shell dome]

Even if it isn't modding first. The current system has no issues, it's just slightly more challenging than the easy way Minecraft set it up.

[river gull]

servers can add the mods 😄

[pseudo plank]

You can ask the server host to mod it

[clever quest]

And, you can host your own server.

[river gull]

So what happens if you play multiplayer and a server admin has added a mod that you strongly disagree with, what then? Do you spend your energy trying to convince other users of the server that they should revolt and get the server owner to revert?

[pseudo plank]

Honestly I love the progression, you cant just skip to the end and beat the game in an hour like you can in mc

[clever quest]

Hypixel literally exists because they wanted to implement their own way to play. If you don't like how other servers are doing it, why not start your own. You have that power.

[teal forge]

off topic now

[pseudo plank]

Is it only off topic because you're not winning?

[shell dome]

This is all very much on topic of general discussion revolving around Hytale, that includes servers and mods, lmao.

[river gull]

The "Saplings from Trees" mod has 33k downloads, making it a very popular QoL mod. Betcha a lot of servers implemented it.

[clever quest]

I should add that one.

[hollow bridge]

It's a single player game with a modding scene, like who gives a crap, just play the game how you want

[teal forge]

Having it all being about "winning" or "losing" is making you guys sound like ragebait chatbots ngl.

In Minecraft if you want to be able to grow all the different wood types, you need to actually go out and explore the world. That might not be everyone's preferred playstyle. Some people, perhaps yourselves, probably prefer to stay at home and would love to be able to progress through a farming progression like in Hytale. But that's not for me. So why not have both, and accomodate all sorts of ways to play the game and make everyone happy? I don't know why you'd be so opposed to that.

[river gull]

Single ** & multiplayer ** you mean.

[hollow bridge]

but the game is doing that in the first place?

[river gull]

you can have whatever you want with mods. Like... you're literally arguing "I absolutely want people to tell me I'm correct in trying to force the devs into changing the game".

However many people here agree with you or not doesn't change whether a change will be made in the game unless we all go provide the same feedback... and people that agree with your feedback have probably already provided it themselves so what's the goal of this conversation?

[hollow bridge]

to convince us

[pseudo plank]

I'm very confused, your issue is that you wanna explore to get the wood you need but also wanna plant it at your home? Why not just cut down a ton of trees and fill your inventory, instead of growing your own trees? You have teleporters too so you're not travelling all the time

[teal forge]

Well it's hard not to try that since I'm surprised so many people are SOOOOO against my ideas

[hollow bridge]

internet arguments have a way to engage with the brain, Im not immune

[shell dome]

I never said it was about winning or losing, a game is about the journey, the challenges you meet and overcome.
You still give the same argument of wanting to both have the saplings, but not care for a home. Why do you need to grow trees that you can find on the way when you don't want to build a home?
Again, there's mods. (Crossed out because of sensitive people)
The developers chose to do it this way, and I applaud them for not going down the same worn down path. If people want to change their experience, that's up to them, but don't think you know better than what the devs have in mind. That's where your argument falls apart.

[river gull]

Why does it matter if we're against it or not?

[teal forge]

I will no longer respond to anyone who mentions mods

[pseudo plank]

Respond to my message then

[hollow bridge]

you can't really force a game to change your way if the general consensus is this

[barren pollen]

is this guy god or

[shell dome]

Then why do you claim to know better than developers?

[hollow bridge]

if the general consensus is if hytale devs suddenly made combat boring then they will respond, your argument is pretty bizarre tbh

[teal forge]

its called finding a mechanic im not a big fan of in an early access game and suggesting ways to improve it

[river gull]

Ok but you did that. You gave the devs feedback. What's the goal now, here, in this channel?

[hollow bridge]

cortisol farming

I think you can engage and have more fun if you find the solution now (wink wink) via other methods than to sit here, because we aren't really in agreement with you

[teal forge]

Biggest issue is crops not dropping their seeds being an anti-quality-of-life feature which forces you to run back and forth between your farmers bench and the crop field between harvesting and sowing. Also the fact that you don't get any essences nor convertable items from trees so you have to farm other things if you want to replant those trees and avoid worldwide deforestation

[shell dome]

You know the game isn't perfectly tailored to you, right? That's what a certain thing I'm not allowed to mention anymore is for.
And if you want to give feedback, do so through the form. You coming in here and saying it should be so means you're open to pushback. This is us pushing back. I prefer it this in this new more complex way. You saying you want the saplings for free means completely nullifying the existing system.

[violet raft]

Cause the point is to push you to perma seeds not mc style farming loop

[fallow monolith]

The game is different so it sucks

[pseudo plank]

What's stopping you from moving your bench? Or creating a second one? Why do you care so much about trees that probably arent within your view? And if you're destroying the trees that are around your base, why is that now the games problem and not yours?

[hollow bridge]

they want you to explore via temple and then unlock seeds, I think that's built in

[violet raft]

I will agree that I don't love the tree sapling issue mainly cause it makes trees kinda expensive early game when you actually need materials to build etc. One solution ide like to see is instead of getting a sapling that trees cause other trees to sprout over time. Ie a Forrest will grow out new trees to refill

Sorta like how mushrooms work atm

[shell dome]

Right now:
Farming Workbench > Farm Crops > Upgrade > Get memories > Get more seeds > Go to Farm Crops until you unlock the sapling you want
Vs
Fell tree > Get sapling
I prefer the more involved way, it adds challenge and work.

[teal forge]

Yeah someone mentioned trees regrowing from stumps, I think that would be really cool

[hollow bridge]

what's the point because in the end game you'll get your wish anyway, perhaps you want to go farm in the early game right from the get go?

[green kayak]

Personally I just think the system of manifesting seeds out of the ether is just really weird and feels like its being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. On top of that, it takes away a reason to explore given i cant get new crops or saplings from doing so.

A further issue is that in the early game it effectively limits your build palette to whatever is available in the first few tiers of the farming workbench, because I can't just go grab a sapling from across the map to bring home but rather need to either deforest a rather large area, or just make do with the first two or three tiers of the farming workbench's offerings (usually beech)

[violet raft]

That too. Just something that isn't mc coded

[pseudo plank]

A new idea! Who would've thought it was that easy /s sorry just using this to make a point

The main issue with a system like that is control, how would you stop trees from spreading into your land where you don't want trees? Also between biomes? I like the idea though!

[violet raft]

Have it cap out. Like if it can detect 200 log blocks in a radious it doesn't do anything

[shell dome]

Expensive

[clever quest]

I also think it would not be performant, would create a lot of lag on servers.

[hollow bridge]

if like a group of entity does that everytime there's a tick that would be costly

[violet raft]

Do you notice lag when the trees grow?

[cerulean pendant]

or at least having a chance for getting a sapling from chopped trees and being able to regrow trees like the original ones - instead of just straight plain ones, having a chance for the tree to grow bigger, possibly even by putting down multiple sapplings on the same tree chunk

[teal forge]

Yeah and it might start growing in the way of your builds. Builds becoming overgrown over time would be cool but not at the same rate that trees grow rn

[shell dome]

Scanning every time a tree stump ticks to grow would cause additive lag. Trees changing blocks because they grow is an entirely unrelated system (and also doesn't happen that often).

[hollow bridge]

like the overgrown stuff and biome detection

[pseudo plank]

At the moment I dont think theres any way to detect a certain amount of blocks or block types in an area, also which tree would be checking? Because there could be trees on the edge of a forest that dont detect that 200 so it would continuously expand. It's a hard one to balance

[violet raft]

If the game can already track trees individual growth stages I don't think tracking number of trees in an area will kill it. Also this would only effect active regions that are loaded

[solar basin]

You know that the problem is that EVERY tree will check it, right? Like, yeah, no lag right now, but think about every tree checking something EVERY TICK.

[shell dome]

A tree stump wouldn't check every tick, it'd check when it'd try to regrow. Which is still for every wood block, so still not much better.

[violet raft]

You don't have to tie the mechanic to a tree. You could tie it to the biome even

[solar basin]

It does not track individual stages, it's a randomized timer with random start and it just goes down.

[green kayak]

I feel like you guys are going for the absolute worst case implementation of such a feature to twist it into sounding like a terrible idea when its very obvious there are much better ways to do it

[clever quest]

you didn't give us those "obvious better ways" to do it

[pseudo plank]

You cant just say there are better more obvious ways without giving any examples

[shell dome]

Something something, not everyone can be a developer.

[violet raft]

I mean I could give you a bunch of ideas but I'm not the devs. I'm just shooting ideas more interresting then sapling from tree

[shell dome]

Here's a question for y'all. How do current trees know when to grow to the next stage?

[green kayak]

Me? If i wanted to add stumps regrowing I'd just make like, a single block at the base of the some trees a "regrowth node" and make it functionally identical to a sapling placed in its same position. New day, check for block above it, if it finds none it rolls to grow a tree. Literally just sapling reskin integrated into the tree

[pseudo plank]

You're the only one who's actually tried to suggest a new way of things

[solar basin]

Let's say, they don't know, then why is there a "time per stage" in their description? It's a timer, nothing complex?

[pseudo plank]

There's a timer attached to them, they change prefabs at the end of each timer and start a new one

[shell dome]

What's "them"? Because as Stormy literally just explained, keeping a node (much like the mob spawn nodes, like the golem, etc) is much cheaper.
Regrowing a tree isn't difficult to conceptualize. Implementing it in a fun, intuitive and understandable way is the challenge.

[violet raft]

Also would it not be possible to make stumps start the tree life cycle over again?

[green kayak]

I don't see why it wouldnt

[teal forge]

How bout trees drop acorns and you need to put the acorns into a planter box first to grow it into a sapling

[violet raft]

If you wanted to stop a tree from regrowing ever again you remove the stump. Seems like a idea that could work eight?

[solar basin]

Where do you live that stumps regrow?

[green kayak]

my backyard, lol. A mulberry tree got chopped down before I moved in and its been regrowing from its stump

[teal forge]

Also makes mass scale ecological destruction a bit harder if to make an area devoid of tree life you need to destroy the roots

[pseudo plank]

The sapling itself is them, it does not just disappear when the tree changes prefabs, it becomes the tree

[violet raft]

Where do you live that a fully grown and nutured sapling drops out a tree lmao

[shell dome]

How does the tree know how to grow further stages when the sapling has been replace by a wood block?

[solar basin]

You can just get them with some methods, but alright.

[teal forge]

However that happens is already in the game since its the same mechanism by which trees have growth stages

[violet raft]

Would be a good thing for large servers where the starter areas get ravaged lol

[green kayak]

tbf you can do that with some trees, referred to as taking a cutting. Planting a twig and it growing roots and leaves. Only really works with the faster growing ones like willows and mulberries tho (usually)

[violet raft]

Oh 100%. Iwas being more sarcastic since we're talking realism in a game

[teal forge]

Yeah this is one of my main concerns for the current system

[violet raft]

Even in small server I'm in. The starter forrests near spawn are litterally gone lol

[shell dome]

Man, if only there was a farming station where you could craft saplings.

[pseudo plank]

Okay so imagine you have a prefab, it knows exactly what blocks are in it and where they are, you can place down those blocks, keep track of the prefab, and when the timer is up, remove the blocks it placed and switch to a new prefab, then repeat until you've run out of prefabs in a list. Just because the block itself has changed, doesnt mean that the interactions related to that block have stopped. Of course, if there is something different from the blocks in the prefab compared to the blocks that are there, it realises that something or someone has made changes to the prefab, so it wont be replaced and the timer will end there

[oblique oasis]

I have to wonder what the point of building a large home is if it runs the risk of having mob spawn nodes inside it, meaning the job it's meant to do of keeping mobs away is made obseletd.

[green kayak]

yeah currenty you just cant reclaim ruins

[cerulean pendant]

Everything's possible in Eastern Europe. Sometimes a neighbour just leaves his tank in the nearby trench, sometimes stuff falls from sky 😄 Possibly even trees, no pun intended 😄

[green kayak]

That's... what the discussion is about. The merits of such a system over a more natural method of regrowing trees. Thats what we're talking about

[shell dome]

Right, but where does it keep the data of what the prefab is? It's not attached to the sapling block, because it gets removed, or replaced.
Point being, I wasn't asking because I needed you to explain, I was pointing out that you can use the exact same system as Stormy described to have trees regrow.
But again, it'd need to be intuitive enough for player to immediately understand.

[violet raft]

Hey man I'm a big time supporter of Ukraine I just wish people would realize Russia doesn't own all people who speak Russian. People have free will.

[cerulean pendant]

I'm actually surprised that whenever I occupy a volcano biome's Town - all the axis mobs seem to stop generating. I currently have a whole volcano city under my control 😄

[violet raft]

Really hard to make said station without logs lol.

[shell dome]

You missed my point. They're making a bad argument. Why do you want saplings to drop from trees? So you can replant the missing trees that people remove in the starter area. But you already are able to plant those, and the problem is people not replanting, not the trees.
Yes, a regrowth system would be sorta nice, but it'd need to be implemented well.

[pseudo plank]

In the sapling asset. The issue with that implementation is how do you restart the process? How do you tell the log that the tree has been chopped down, and it can be started again? If you're constantly running the timer, or constantly checking whether the prefab is there or not, then it will start to lag

[oblique oasis]

People need to realize that's the case everywhere, we're all just prisoners to the whims of the evil rulers. At least in Hytale we'll be able to stop evil.

[violet raft]

I'm more referring to how people confuse language and nation but only in weird cases. Like no one thinks Canadians belong to England. It's just russians.

[flint field]

Bro thinks he can break the curse 😭😭😭

[shell dome]

Timers do not cause lag, unless really badly implemented. But, that's what I'm getting at. You have a tree node, it checks if the tree above the growth level is missing, and then grows a new sapling after a growth stage, which then turns into a new tree.

[teal forge]

Nice, thinking that something is too grindy is automatically a bad argument and makes me lazy

[oblique oasis]

I don't have the Cursebreaker tag for no reason

[short tulip]

Make it part of the tree getting chopped down. Convert the stump block to a "sapling stump" then it can just use normal crop behavior. It wouldn't even be as intensive as a modest farm

[shell dome]

It is when your suggestion literally supplants the existing mechanics completely and fully.

[pseudo plank]

That depends on the amount of timers, if you have 100+ trees all running timers, you will notice. By checking the tree, you're checking against an entire prefab every time, for every tree, even if its fully grown.

[short tulip]

My farm is 40x40

[violet raft]

I wonder if you could mod in the stumps to trees thing.

[clever quest]

yeah its a good idea for a mod

[short tulip]

You wouldnt check every tree, just the converted stump blocks.

[cerulean pendant]

yeah. I'm personally not a huge fan of the fact that you chop down Azure trees, a bunch of them but there is literally no way to regrow them unless you upgrade your workbench 😄 In the end playerbase just destroys all the source of wood because nobody bothers will all the technical stuff to regrow it

[violet raft]

Generally once the tree is fully grown it's not running said timer

[green kayak]

I mean yeah? If the existing mechanics aren't something they find fun that's fine. A mechanic already existing doesn't make it any more valid than any replacement for such a mechanic. Reworks are okay

[short tulip]

"All the technical stuff" being a basic farm. How do you get tier 3 food if you dont have a farm?

[teal forge]

Ok then how about

• You can spend perhaps ~100 logs from a type of tree you cut down to unlock its sapling in the farmers bench (an alternative nonlinear method for people who prefer to settle in a different biome with different trees)
• Plant fibre from trees can be exchanged for essences which can then be exchanged for saplings

[short tulip]

Thats already a thing. You just level up the farm bench. Trees come pretty early.

[violet raft]

Having stumps regrow the tree wouldn't hurt the workbench mechanic cause the saplings should be a thing of convenience and if you want x wood that isn't in your area it gives you said option

[shell dome]

That's not how this works whatsoever. If you have a good system, you can put the timers into a separate "check every X seconds/minutes", even just a simple comparison of current time vs expected time does not cost a lot.
You also don't need to check the tree every time, you can make the node check after a change was made in the chunk or around it, or even just close to the node. This is called event based programming, instead needing to check a chunk of data every frame.

[green kayak]

I certainly don't like the existing system for how saplings are handled, given that I think gatekeeping something as basic as a renewable source of your preferred color of wood behind endgame progression seems pretty silly to me

[cerulean pendant]

it's more of a concern about human lazy nature

[short tulip]

Then play in creative. You already have to explore to get higher tier gear. Why is it a problem with trees but not with ore?

[pseudo plank]

How do you update that block is the issue. Which one is the stump block? How much of the tree do you need to get rid of before it updates and starts to grow again? What if you put blocks on top of it? There are a lot of questions for something like this to even be viable

[teal forge]

Nah that's restrictive and nonlinear. What if later down the line the devs added the option to spawn in different zones? Or on servers where it's not usually a good idea to build near spawn. You'd end up starting out in a zone with trees whose saplings are far too high level for you to regrow until much later down the line. I don't see why locking these saplings like that is a peak gameplay feature

[shell dome]

I definitely agree that the Azure tree shortage is a problem, especially in big servers. That's not to say you can't just walk an hour and find a new place to settle where people won't have harvested everything.
Additionally, unless you're in a massive server, you don't need that many blocks, and your biggest problem is people hoarding them.

[short tulip]

The block is already getting updates from the tree getting chopped down. Just add it to the tree gets chopped down check.
If a block gets placed on top it doesnt grow just like how saplings behave already.

[pseudo plank]

I see what you're saying, and I would agree if it was a different game, but trees and its growing mechanics are not coded, they are created in the asset editor, they don't have access to that kind of programming

[cerulean pendant]

it's more about - why make life harder when you can make it simpler. I personally play single-player so I don't bother, I keep the pretty trees and destroy everything else, regrow only the regular trees

[short tulip]

Linear progression is definitionally not non linear.
If you want to regrow a rare wood type, level up. Same as if you want rare gear types. Its the same thing. Just play the game and your problem is solved

[violet raft]

I'm hopeful that the world will be more alive as development goes on. The fact trees grow is already cool

[soft cradle]

The world is already way more alive then minecraft imo. So much more wild life.

[shell dome]

Considering you pretty much already need a 100 logs from every tree to upgrade the workbench, I wouldn't be opposed to this.
However, how would you implement this? A trader you'd need to find? A special crafting station that's made just so you can craft your sapling recipes? By trying to make it simpler, you've now made it even more complex and unintuitive.

[hollow bridge]

I think we know how much the team love exploration, its early access so this direction could be more malleable in the long run

[pseudo plank]

Only the block above it would update the "growth block" then, in which case, how do you tell which log is the source? And if you accidentally cut it down, then you wouldn't be able to replace it since it would drop a normal wood log. So you'd need a sapling anyways

[teal forge]

does adding alternative pathways make it more unintuitive?

[short tulip]

Exactly. If you want life easy, play creative.
Games dont need to hand every single thing to you on a silver platter.
Use the existing game mechanics, they're not even hard. Farming is likely the simplest progression mechanic in the game right now

[green kayak]

Problem: I want to make my base using X wood. Now in any system that makes sense, I could just go get a sapling of that type and set up a farm, right? Whereas in hytale i need to either
A: deforest a massive area for sufficient wood and then just leave it ugly and barren
B: make my base out of a substitute material and tear it down and rebuild later out of my actually preferred wood OR
C: just don't make a base until i reach the endgame, which is what i currently do, and just live out in a field or something

It's just not really something that's needed, I think

[cerulean pendant]

I'm actually excited for some new bosses, dungeons, possibly a new biome, but we'll see how it goes. Modding community are already God-tier and makes me wanna try modding too 😄

[shell dome]

I'm not sure we're on the same line here, but what I'm suggesting would need additional coding eother way, regardless of what the asset editor is able to do.

[clever quest]

"tree spawner blocks" basically
jots down good idea for a mod

[pseudo plank]

You mean like a sapling? xD

[hollow bridge]

I hate to bring up minecraft, but minecraft was very malleable in its gameplay but it is a sandbox game first and foremost, it's up to hytale if it wants to make that part of its identity

[green kayak]

Correct: make a block in the base of the tree a "regrowth node" of sorts thats functionally identical to a sapling. Just generates with the tree automagically

[short tulip]

If you chopped down a tree to leave a stump and then went back to chop down the stump, thats on the player

[teal forge]

Why do trees have "levels" anyways. They are a basic resource found in most biomes and they just have different types.

[pseudo plank]

The game is built mainly with the asset editor, you need to consider what the asset editor is currently capable of

[shell dome]

Not if done right, but so far you've only given "But what if this way", without working out how people would go about doing it. It's just not well thought through, which is the biggest issue with people who think they can make games. They critique the current system, say "this way would be much better", but then completely miss out on all the other mechanics they just broke with that change.

[green kayak]

It's progression in a system that really just does not need to be tied to progression, and therefore ends up limiting in a rather annoying way, yes. Especially when it's all arbitrary. Every tree is more or less functionally identical to every other tree, barring a few specific recipes

[shell dome]

I think you're missing the part where trees are already doing what they're doing. Asset editor has nothing to do with them growing.

[short tulip]

You can make a base out of the wood in your spawn area, build a small farm, get saplings by your second hour in game, and go infinite by your fourth hour. I dont think you realize how cheap and easy to aquire saplings are with farms.

[pseudo plank]

The asset editor controls how they grow, its literally built into the sapling asset, via the asset editor

[green kayak]

Dude, that's not the point. It's just something that shouldn't be a progression system in the first place

[clever quest]

Why? because you say so

[short tulip]

Ive filled double chests with logs using the life essence from a single harvest of a 40x40 block farm.

[shell dome]

That's... not... I don't know how to explain to you. Yes, the functionality is "built into the sapling asset", but someone programmed how saplings work, so they'd be able to program that in as well.

[green kayak]

Good for you, again, that's missing the point

[full tartan]

What is when i Play with mods the Recipe that has a Question Mark "Invalid Item" to craft mod stuff?

[short tulip]

its too hard to do x
Its actually easy to do x
thats not the point!
Please elaborate on what your point is because im not seeing it.
The only thing im seeing is you dont think it should be a mechanic because you dont like it but you cant elaborate why

[clever quest]

uh, ask the mod creator?

[green kayak]

The point is not "boohoo trees are impossible to regrow wah" so you can come in here to put on your fedora and go "well ackchually", it's a complaint that this really shouldn't be a system thats limiting the player at all

[flint field]

Whatever item that is doesn’t actually exist

[teal forge]

Typically the first part of designing things is to suggest a broader idea and then work out the finer implementations.
If the unlocks were optional on the farmers bench then it would probably need to rewrite the whole upgrading benches system.
As much as I hate adding loads and loads of benches for random reasons, a sapling growth pot could be an option. You put in essences of life and a certain type of wood, then over time it grows that wood's saplings that you can harvest from the top of it then plant in the ground. Kind of like a furnace

[full tartan]

Cuz when i Try to Craft a Zelda Weapon from the zelda gear mod i see i got "Invalid Item" as Resource in my Chest.

[pseudo plank]

In the asset editor yes, it's not just a tree growth command thats being run, its a prefab replacer. And yes that part is a part of the server code, but is entirely controlled by the asset itself

[shell dome]

Not gonna lie, I like the concept of a sapling growth pot. It'd be a fun alternative.

[green kayak]

recipe is probably calling for an item that isn't properly implemented, if i had to guess

[short tulip]

Why? Why shouldnt natural resources be a mechanic in a sandbox survival crafting game? Why should wood be infinite with zero work? Because thats how it works in minecraft?

[hollow bridge]

unironically I think that's a good reason

[clever quest]

lol unironically

[shell dome]

And we're back to the first argument I made, lmao.
Oshi--, timer did increas to 60, thought I was hallucinating.

[teal forge]

Why should wood be infinite with zero work in one biome but not another?

[green kayak]

LITERALLY this. Why do you guys not register this

[full tartan]

alright, the Cats mod you can Craft a Cat Carrier on the Farmer's Workbench and it requires 1 Invalid Item which i dont have.

[pseudo plank]

Hey it could be because the item has been renamed or the crafting recipe has the wrong input/output name

[hollow bridge]

but then I agree, this system right now (early access) could be contrived, because it promotes one style of gameplay too hard

[clever quest]

tbf, I do think they will eventually add all/most of the saplings to the farming bench, at least the very common biome ones

[pseudo plank]

Yeah that's just a misnamed input item unfortunately, you're gonna have to report it to the mod author

[full tartan]

the Cats mod Creator aint on Discord i think.

[teal forge]

Why if I choose to start out in Zone 1 I can get saplings straight away, but if I want to start in Zone 2 or 3 I have to grind for hours to unlock their saplings via the linear progression

[short tulip]

Because soft woods are abundant and rare woods are not. Why is iron and copper near infinite in the spawn zone while adamantine requires exploration? Why can cloth be farmed from mobs in every zone while shadow weave requires a specific surface dungeon in a specific biome of a specific zone?

[green kayak]

It's an arbitrary progression system that does not need to be a progression system. That's the whole issue. It only serves to gatekeep me out of using my preferred color of wood until I've arbitrarily reached XYZ gameplay progression point, which is just a ridiculous thing to lock behind progression

[clever quest]

The whole issue....that is a non-issue. Its an opinionated gameplay loop, that most players don't have a problem with.

[pseudo plank]

CurseForge comments are probably the best way

[shell dome]

I get that it's a prefab replacer, but it's clear that this prefab replacer is replacing trees, which means it could also have regrow functionality coded into it. I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make right now, other than "It's not possible", whereas it'd clearly be possible if added in.

[violet raft]

I don't even think the issue si the progression system it's that it really limits you at awkward times and really really limits non coop mp

[short tulip]

You could say the same thing for armors and weapons.
Without malice or contempt, if you want a game with easier resource gathering for creative expression why dont you just play minecraft?

[green kayak]

Dude the timer bouncing all over the place is so awful why is this a thing

[hollow bridge]

because it's magic wood, you get a sense of abundance when you visit their biome and then you chop them all down

[full tartan]

Weird thing is, the Zelda Gear Mod to Craft a Weapon i Require Invalid item and got like almsot 60 in my chest, that also confuses me lol.

[teal forge]

This is some very Emerald Wilds-centric thinking

[violet raft]

No fr why do we have slow mode time that adjusts to activity levels in the verified section....

[pseudo plank]

The point is that it's not currently possible, yes anything is possible if you add it in, but it's not possible right now

[short tulip]

Doesnt azure wood not even have craftables right now anyways?

[hollow bridge]

ok now Im not gonna let that slide, why does the thinking need to be called out

[shell dome]

Only used for upgrading workbenches.
v Chat timer was at 30, now at 60. v

[full tartan]

wha, what happened?

[dense lynx]

I think it'd be possible to include a state for dirt blocks to check the slope next to them when the rain is happening and have mudslides...

[short tulip]

Thats what i thought. Server tilting cause they cant find or grow rare wood easily because its rare and its not even meant to be a building block right now

[green kayak]

probably would

[hollow bridge]

teleporter

60s timeframe my beloathed

[full tartan]

So if you Fell the Entire Azure Forest then GG, you cant get Azure Wood anymore?

[shell dome]

Currently, yep. Which only happens when you have that guy that hoards everything on your server.

[short tulip]

You can grow it with the farm bench. Its not even hard to get

[clever quest]

good news, the world is infinite, there are more biomes to find

[dense lynx]

With the rain/mudslide idea, they could implement a system that tracks days/rain and local trees and slowly builds up the ground with 'dirt slabs'....like seriously it would be so dope to come back to an area and see the landscape shift a little because of weather

[pseudo plank]

Its just people causing their own issues and blaming the game for it

[full tartan]

So the World infact is Infinite like in MC?

60s Timer my beloved.

[teal forge]

What I mean isn't rare wood but wood that is common in zones other than zone 1. The progression system assumes EVERYONE has a main base in zone 1 then goes to other zones from there, which isn't a good idea to do if you're playing on servers

The challenge is going to those places, exploring and collecting their wood. Why should you be forced to go to the other side of the world to unlock its wood first

[short tulip]

Wait. Are azure saplings not a thing in vanilla? You can even get palm saplings. Now i need to check

[shell dome]

Wait, why does it presume that? I don't see why you wouldn't be able to build anywhere else.

[green kayak]

bro have you even played the game. Do you know anything about the argument at hand

[clever quest]

Not yet, again, I'm fairly certain they will be added at some point.

[fading patio]

who is playing with the cooldown settings

[dense lynx]

This weather system would involve a section that allows for saplings to automatically fall and plant themselves below and around trees...pretty easy to code actually.

[full tartan]

Wait, the World is not Infinite? it was just Misinformation about the Azure Wood?

[short tulip]

All the progression assumes you're starting in zone 1.

[pseudo plank]

It is infinite, you just gotta walk a lil bit more to find more

Such a hard task for some people apparently

[hollow bridge]

I just think that exploration shouldn't be tied too much to whatever game the player wants to play, but people who want to play their own game should know what hytale wants you to do first

[full tartan]

i Use Exploration for Building after gathering Resoruces, so its kinda Multiple Modes.

Annnd the Timer is back to 60s.

[teal forge]

If you wanted to, you could go out into the arctic zone and build your first base there. But unlike in zone 1, you need to spend time upgrading your bench to be able to replant the native trees.

[muted heath]

how do i strip a log???

[shell dome]

Who says you need to replant native trees? Who forces that on you?

[clever quest]

That's not a thing.

[dense lynx]

I prefer games that have a low level region and then high level regions, I think it's weird AF otherwise

[full tartan]

i Would Rather not go with Copper Armor to Zone 3, Outlanders deal alot of Damage, as seen in my First world. They Literally thossed me down a Mine and i died to Fall Damage.

[green kayak]

That's the whole argument! Why does this system need to exist? Why is this something that needs to be locked behind progression? How does the gameplay experience benefit from not being able to do something as simple and basic as replant your trees until you're progressed far enough into the game

[hollow bridge]

if you start in artic that is, I don't see the reason why you shouldn't make a temp base in whatever zone you want that is rich in resources and then move to artic for aesthetic reasons

[dense lynx]

It's pre-release

[teal forge]

Team Trees.

[full tartan]

is Mythril ingame Mineable yet? i havent seen a Single Mythril Ore.

[shell dome]

Why do you consider this to be basic? Why does it need to be basic? It really feels like the lot of you are stuck in Minecraft mentality.

[short tulip]

I think hytale is an adventure game and if someone doesnt want to play an advenrure game they should find something that better fits their desires

[dense lynx]

I can't even look at minecraft anymore, that game looks so dead compared to this pre-release. This game is already way beyond minecraft in terms of immersion

[green kayak]

Why do I consider putting a sapling in a ground to regrow the most common structure and resource in the game to be a basic mechanic. That is truly a head scratcher

[hollow bridge]

It's uhhhh magic wood!

[strong cove]

Just mod in saplings as a drop if it bothers you so bad lol

[full tartan]

And Bears that Love to Tear you Apart when you got like no Armor yet

[teal forge]

It can only be found in Valinor, Numenor and Khazad-dûm.

[pseudo plank]

ooga mine craft i want diamonds and saplings booga where creeper

[dense lynx]

And the horror aspect with the darkness and the crawlers! This is PEAK

[shell dome]

Bruh, are you just trying to argue against everyone? Because I've seen you 180 your stance like multiple times now.
And if it's the most common structure and resource, why do you need to replant it so badly right off the bat?

[full tartan]

uh... what...?

[fallow monolith]

I think the game is too bright honestly, especially in caves

[clever quest]

slowmode maxxing

[green kayak]

Read previous comments. I will not repeat myself again. I have already stated my argument

[hollow bridge]

I swear if they have the full version and they have a built in lore reason for why saplings for magic rare wood doesn't drop I swear none of the complaints would exist

[pseudo plank]

They're trolling you, it's not currently in the game at the moment

[dense lynx]

Because this isn't minecraft........the processes are different. You're stuck thinking this is MC and it's not

[full tartan]

So Max is Adamantite?

[green kayak]

Oh yeah i dont even bother with torches, they gotta turn that minimum gamma down

[teal forge]

Would be nice if that adventuring was rewarded with things like... being able to get saplings for the trees in the faraway lands you discovered. As opposed to gardening for days in your little cottage. Could be a nice alternative

[shell dome]

Your argument is "It's common, so I want to be able to make it even more easy to obtain", unless I'm missing something, in which it'd be useful to expand on your argument.

[hollow bridge]

quick way to solve the problem and hand waved it as gameplay

[pseudo plank]

At the moment yes, we're waiting for either Zone 5 or world gen v2. Who knows what they're planning

[fallow monolith]

I use a Reshade shader just to make the game's dark colors that much darker myself

[wet flame]

yooo I see argument

[full tartan]

Any mods that Add Mythril Early ingame? or a Biome that Has Mythril? or is there Currently no Known mod for it?

[green kayak]

didnt realize there were shader mods already

[golden flicker]

I miss the night in beta minecraft when you couldnt see anything without torches. I hate how the games are always so bright nowdays and there is no setting to tune it down to those who like it

[pseudo plank]

There are quite a few out there, I'm sure if you search Mithril on CurseForge you'll find one

[hollow bridge]

the devs want you to adventure, lol, that's the whole point of this naive system, I knew it, you wanted to play the game the way you want first and foremost

[dense lynx]

I swear I read this argument right and responded in line...but now it looks like the argument sides flip flopped....

[short tulip]

it sure would be nice if i could just dig high tier armor out of the dirt instead of toiling for days forging in your little blacksmith

[fallow monolith]

There isn't, Reshade is a seperate program you can use to add shaders to anything

[shell dome]

The game does do exactly that. You need to collect specific logs to upgrade your workbench to be able to craft those saplings. (Yes, some are missing, but I'm sure they'll be added eventually, early access after all.)

[full tartan]

Would need a Whole New World then right, in order to generate it?

[pseudo plank]

Oh no, some add craftings recipes, other may change world gen but all you have to do is do some travelling and load some new chunks

[shell dome]

Or delete old unused chunks to refresh them. There's also a mod for this.

[full tartan]

Luckily in the Update 3 World i Didnt Explore much Besides the Beginning Area near Spawn.

[teal forge]

Well the sapling box idea would let you unlock zone 3 saplings before zone 2 saplings if you so happened to venture into zone 3 before zone 2. I think they are about the same level anyways so why force people to go to one before the other if they are the same

This has NOTHING to do with digging high tier gear out of the dirt for absolutely nothing. It's about making the most of sideways progression and giving players more freedom to play the game how they want to play.

[dense lynx]

Bc that's how the devs made it....mods will allow you to play how you want.

[hollow bridge]

there are more than trees in this game

[shell dome]

Don't say the M word around Endarkaris, they'll ignore you.

[dense lynx]

I have endarkaris blocked Idgaf lol

[teal forge]

This is already a pretty decent strat. As soon as you spawn, go to zone 4, you will find plenty of free thorium gear in chests.

[hollow bridge]

there are still different mobs and items that revolves around specific biomes

[golden flicker]

Who they ?

[shy pulsar]

Is it possible to make a Mod that contains the Minecraft Dungeons OST that can be played in Hytale?

[olive warren]

Sorry I'm late but somehow they do it in other games. There are a few games where if you don't chop the stump it will grow back. Icarus for instance has an option to turn on plant regrowth and if you cut the stump it will not grow back.

[dense lynx]

I was hoping someone would do this tbh

[hollow bridge]

I think everyone got tired that's good, I must ask though, why do they have such an aversion to mods?

[pseudo plank]

Is this legally possible?

[dense lynx]

Only MC I can play is dungeons bc it doesn't look dead lol

[violet raft]

Oh 100% I was thinking more maybe we could even mod it in as an example/suggestion for the game even

[green kayak]

I literally made a mod for this for Don't Starve back in the day, lol

[short tulip]

then just go to zone 2 for azure logs. Seems like a pretty easy strat 🥴

[shell dome]

The possibility isn't the problem, the problem is how do you convey to players where they need to cut the tree down, and how do you show them it's been done successfully?
Diegetic systems need to be intuitive, as just outright giving a messagebox with the info "You cut down the tree right, it will now regrow in a couple days" would not be a good implementation.

[opaque quail]

Good morning everyone. How are yall doing?

[full tartan]

[pseudo plank]

Minecraft achievement popup every time you cut down a tree correctly xD

[dense lynx]

Cutting down a tree partially and expecting regrowth....let's look at physics/reality....the growth would not be fast and you'd get maybe half the wood if you convert growth times.

[green kayak]

It's that "Well if you don't like it just mod it" is a very handwavey argument against criticism towards a game.

[golden flicker]

Lets look at reality, i dont think skeletons are running around

[dense lynx]

Cool another person to block

[teal forge]

Have a tiny shoot appear at the top of the log when you cut it.

[pseudo plank]

Are we 100% sure about that? Maybe they just run around when we cant see them

[short tulip]

i feel like your stance isnt a criticism so much as you just not liking an aspect of a game. There's a difference between not enjoying a mechanic and thinking a mechanic needs improvement. You dont like having to explore to get a non-renewable resource. That doesnt mean that resource needs to be made abundant.

[golden flicker]

Dont try to be a smartass if you cant stand getting outsmarted

[green kayak]

"i feel like your stance isnt a criticism so much as you just not liking an aspect of a game" is bro fr

[dense lynx]

Ahh yessss a person I blocked because they were rude was rude immediately after...perfection xD

[golden flicker]

That is a fair point, i need to look into this and study. Maybe ill catch one of them skelly runners

[teal forge]

You were the one who brought ores up for whatever reason. Trees are renewable

[olive warren]

I'm sorry I said the wrong game It's not Icarus. But it is other games like all the The sons of the forest franchise, greenhill in Aska. I'm sure there's a few more I just can't think of them. But they also have some mechanics attached to it like five in game days timer, or even percentage base like 5 or 10% of stumps will grow back. The way it's not all of them and it's constantly cycling through and I'm not sure how they develop it in those games. I do not know anything about this stuff.

[short tulip]

im not even trying to be mean. I really think you should take a step back and ask yourself if maybe it just isnt right for you despite it not being a bad mechanic. I dont like turn based RPG's, that doesnt mean i critique final fantasy by saying it needs god of war's combat

[green kayak]

yes tim, that is what critisism is. If i liked how the system was handled, i wouldn't want it changed. That is what critisism is, yes. If you expect endless praise, look elsewhere

[short tulip]

as a means to contrast his complaints with a non-renewable resource being a non-renewable resource. I think adventuring to find ores and crafting ore into higher tier gear is a great mechanic and i enjoy it a lot.

[pseudo plank]

Please report with any information you find, I suggest you start with catacombs and anywhere else skyrim may have taken inspiration from

[golden flicker]

I thought you blocked me, how did you see i was rude afterwards

[dense lynx]

Bc discord doesn't do blocking right...all your messages are hidden and I have to click to show

[green kayak]

Why are you just making things up now? We can all scroll back and see clearly that's not what my problem with the system even remotely is

[short tulip]

no stormy, that isnt criticism. That isnt critique. Criticism and critique are methods of improving a work through editing. What you're doing is reviewing. There's nothing wrong with you not enjoying part of a game, but that doesnt mean it needs to be "fixed" or that fixing it would universally imrpove the game

[shell dome]

That'd be a way to tell them they did it right.
How do you inform them that it can happen at all? Let's say you need at least 1 block above the ground, and people always cut straight at the bottom, they'd miss out. Or, other people think you'd need to leave a wood block because stump, but the game expected you to fully flatten it with the ground?
Or maybe you'd implement both. Or differences per tree? Either way, this is now finally thought out well enough that it'd be implementable. Add a server switch to allow tree growth, and there you go.

[golden flicker]

Well damnn. Dont open them then

[pseudo plank]

Have I also been blocked because I'm a skele believer?

[dense lynx]

Easy code actually...you measure ground level around the tree and make the one above the ground the growth node

[shell dome]

Woosh

[short tulip]

what is your problem exactly? You say you dont like exploring for wood but when i tell you exploration is part of the core loop you say thats not your point. You say you dont like not being able to get more azure wood but when someone tells you its infinite via exploration you say thats too hard. When i tell you to just play in creative so you can express yourself, you say you dont want the game to be easy. What exactly is your point?

[hollow bridge]

eh what I think we(yes we), lacked a bit nuance here, he's saying that the system right now promotes the core part of hytale, basically its identity as an adventure game first, which is naive because hytale is still in early access and the system can be changed, you however also have to expect that hytale's identity is going to be tied to adventure no matter what because of the scope of the game

[green kayak]

You know what? I would actually love for you to link any time I've said any of that stuff, lol. Please, do so immediately. Why do you feel the need to strawman me here?

[golden flicker]

I cant

[dense lynx]

Assign a role to wood in ground level plus one lol...you'd probably be able to grow trees by putting logs on the ground this way....a way around that would be to make sure at least 1 log is in the ground too

Measure above for wood, below for wood in ground and ground level....there

[shell dome]

We've been over this already before you were here. Have tree nodes, so you don't need to chunk check a billion times because of every piece of log that's in a chunk.

[hollow bridge]

that means mechanics will be warped and different in this aspect

[teal forge]

Yeah I also enjoy that (apart from the great leather shortage, why is leather rarer than the ore itself) so why bring it up?

OK how about we apply the developers' own logic here. Different ore tiers have only small differences in stats between them, and cobalt and thorium are identical. The devs have already talked about it being intentionally "sideways progression" so how come you aren't forced to get cobalt before thorium but you ARE forced to get boreal wood before desert wood?

[dense lynx]

No this generates the nodes automatically

[pseudo plank]

What would happen if I decided to grow my trees in the sky?

[short tulip]

dont you need both at the same time?

[golden flicker]

Skeletons would shoot them down

[dense lynx]

Same thing....I tested growing trees on sky platforms to figure out how they measure stuff before looking at the code.

It'd actually be easy to refill in the holes too when a tree falls

[olive warren]

I totally understand what you guys are saying about the tick counter and the challenges and worries about the tree regrowth implementation. I'm not sure how these other games are able to do it. And a lot of them do it slightly different and I'm not sure why . However because I don't know or understand how games are built or designed. So there is a good chance that this is not possible. And for that I use mods. I love mods and I think they're a great addition to every game. So for me it's not a big issue. Right now we are running like 56 mods I think on our server and we're all having a great time.

[short tulip]

[9:41 AM]Stormy: It's an arbitrary progression system that does not need to be a progression system. That's the whole issue. It only serves to gatekeep me out of using my preferred color of wood until I've arbitrarily reached XYZ gameplay progression point, which is just a ridiculous thing to lock behind progression

9:36 AM]Stormy: Dude, that's not the point. It's just something that shouldn't be a progression system in the first place

Ive asked you several times to please elaborate on why you think it shouldnt be a progression mechanic but you refuse

[shell dome]

Just putting down a log and growing a tree out of it would both not be intuitive, and bypass the current sapling system. Try again.

[green kayak]

Now please note how what i've said here is not at all what you have said my argument has been

[dense lynx]

Yeah...I mentioned it as a thought so someone might chime in with an IDEA not rudeness...I blocked you for a good reason it seems

[pseudo plank]

Other games are able to implement this kind of system easier because the whole tree is just one object, in a block game its not as easy. Not impossible, just not as easy

[short tulip]

you arent really saying anything, my dude. Im literally begging for you to elaborate but you refuse

[hollow bridge]

ok it's arguments time Sadge I've been ignored, abandon ship while you can

[olive warren]

Also I'm done with the topic but I just want to say that I respect the developers and it is their game. It is their vision and I am happy with whatever path they take. ❤️ Because I always have my lovely mods 😍

[shell dome]

Wasn't trying to be rude, I was abbreviating a discussion that'd been had 20 minutes ago.

[short tulip]

"that shouldnt be there" isnt critique. Its like the opposite of critique, its refusing to engage with the material at all.

[dense lynx]

You keep writing like you think you know better than me...you should stop interacting with me

[green kayak]

Don't lie about my argument if you can't back it up with receipts.

Anyways, I have elaborated on the issues with the system several times

[hollow bridge]

mygoat leshasta522

[shell dome]

If you want me to stop interacting with you, I'd suggest not replying to my messages.

[short tulip]

please reply to where you elaborated, i may have missed it in the scroll

[olive warren]

Yeah I was assuming that. Just because the games that I listed above are able to do it in some way doesn't mean that it'll work for this style. I totally get that and I respect if they just don't want to even if they can.

[dense lynx]

Anyway as I was saying.....coding trees is really easy...coding is really easy. Coding the trees to act naturally is easy AF.

[golden flicker]

I would imagine they have trees being one entity. Preset of multiple blocks so its not object but spawns in like object

[teal forge]

with default furnace you can smelt both thorium and cobalt but you need both for adamantite
with Farmers bench the forced tree progression is:

• Beech unlocked by default
• Birch unlocked with softwood and lightwood
• Apple, Ash, Oak, Spruce and Frozen Spruce unlocked with hardwood
• Redwood unlocked with Drywood
• Cedar unlocked with Darkwood (Cedar logs)
• Dry sapling unlocked with Redwood
• Palm sapling unlocked with Goldenwood

each level requiring everything to be unlocked before it of course

[green kayak]

1/3

[shell dome]

Don't worry, with Hytale's current system it'd totally be doable, would just require a tiny bit of extra coding to keep the current tree nodes after fully growing.

[green kayak]

2/3

slowmode my DESPISED

[pseudo plank]

Oh yeah of course, I do agree with you 100%. Either way it's up to the devs at the end of the day, but I imagine they're more focused on other things at this point in early access

[green kayak]

3/3

[short tulip]

Fair, the farm bench does currently have the longest progression in terms of nodes. That being said, all the wood you gather for it can be found at the same time as thorium and cobalt. You're not actually doing any extra adventuring for those resources (exception being goldenwood) You could easily have all the wood you need to upgrade to level 7 in a single excursion. Right now, tier 8 farm is the endest game upgrade.

[dense lynx]

Trees are the easiest part of farm bench...the petals are the hardest xD

[olive warren]

Definitely. I know they have their hands full with lots of feedback. But I have to say this is one of the reasons that I love early access games. It's fun when topics like this can come up and slowly it shapes the game with the combination of the developers and the community. Some are more accepting and accommodating than others. One game that I've really enjoyed being a part of it since the start of early access has been enshrouded. The game has slowly morphed into something fantastic with developer and community compromises. So to speak.

[dense lynx]

Getting to the petal stage was maybe 2 hours. I haven't finished the petal stage several weeks in

[short tulip]

Am i correct in reading those 3 posts as you expressing your frustration with the game limiting your creative freedom? If so, i feel as though my points of either using creative mode to build your houses for now OR with playing another game that is more freeform in creation as valid takes.
I personally enjoy the progression mechanics in game and i take way more joy out of building things with materials i have to actually go and find and adventure for. Thats why i feel like your observations dont necesarily reflect an improvement for the game, because your suggestions actually make the game worse for me

[pseudo plank]

Oh I absolutely love Enshrouded. That water update alone was game changing. So much freedom in every aspect of the game and it gets better every single time

[green kayak]

"have to actually go and find and adventure for" thats exactly what i want! to be able to go out, explore, get saplings and bring them back to farm with, instead of needing to go around this roundabout way of fiddling with the farming workbench and growing a truck load of tomatoes before i can make them into saplings. That's literally what i want, to just be able to go out into the world and get them

[teal forge]

Didn't say anything before as I hadn't tested it yet but now I have - When you break an upgraded workbench, its upgrades aren't saved so you need to start all over again.

This is a big problem if you start out in a cave and want to move to a proper base. Even worse if you are yet to unlock renewable wood for the biome's wood that you want to build with

[shell dome]

Also for next time, you can just copy message links and stick to just 1 message, like this:
#game-discussion message #game-discussion message #game-discussion message

[dense lynx]

Wut? I just moved all my benches and they dropped everything

[pseudo plank]

That message was over an hour ago. Just let it go man

Benches drop upgrades though

[green kayak]

Oh hey those work. Last time I tried to post links of any kind a few weeks ago the bot shot my dog

[teal forge]

No, saying to use creative mode or play a different game are not valid takes.

[short tulip]

that seems like a very minor contrivance to me. the farm bench is intentionally made so farming any food gives you access to a big variety of materials. Again, i think you over-estimate the cost and time to get saplings

[gaunt terrace]

We should all meow a bit more in this channel

[dense lynx]

Took me 2 hours to start reforesting with giant redwoods

[green kayak]

"Well if you don't like it you should just go play minecraft >:(" is indeed not a valid argument, fyi fellas. Idk why some of y'all think it is

[shell dome]

Discord links get parsed differently, sorta just grabs the message ID.

[teal forge]

yeah we want this game to be BETTER than minecraft but we need to sort out the strange, unfinished and un-fun features first.

[short tulip]

i mean. If you're not having fun with a game but theres another game that sounds like exactly what you want...

[river gull]

mₑε₀ω²

[shell dome]

Yeah, we want this game to be BETTER than Minecraft, that's why we should implement Minecraft mechanics and not like how Hytale does it.
Sorry, not sorry

[gaunt terrace]

Goes hard ngl

[green kayak]

Yes, if someone doesn't like how the game handles regrowing chopped trees they should drop the game entirely and go play something else. That is truly wise insight

[dense lynx]

Why are you comparing it to minecraft? xD

[fallow monolith]

People have genuinely been like "okay where's the click combat" before

[shell dome]

Why are you still replying to me if you want me to leave you alone?

[raw iris]

hi someone intressted in testing a tool for making textures for me^^

[short tulip]

There are infact other survival crafty games and its perfectly ok to play other games. You could even play both! Have you tried vintage story?

[winged rover]

Compare it to valheim and terraria not minecraft.

[dense lynx]

Because I'm affecting you now so I'm trolling

[olive warren]

Exactly. And this is one of the difficulties in early access development. Trying to find the balance between their vision and trying to keep players and bring new players. Listening to your community but also staying true to what your visioned. I've seen a couple games where they have moved on a firm no. Like valheim and icarus. They said absolutely no mounts and they have implemented them now. I feel Like a lot of open world crafting survival game players often want mechanics like taming, mounts, animal husbandry and so on

[teal forge]

Not the minecraft mechanics anymore we have now moved on to frustration with sapling inequity based on geographic location

[green kayak]

Stop. You must surely be self aware enough to realize how ridiculous you are being. Critisism about hytale mechanics does not equate to hating the entire game and that someone should drop it

[short tulip]

suggest playing other games that are also fun
Thats ridiculous!
friend, i ask this with total sincerity. Are you trying to win a discussion or are you trying to enjoy videogames?

[dense lynx]

Criticizing a pre-release is kinda....annoying....ya know?

[winged rover]

1min chat cooldown in this chann as well? Wtf

[teal forge]

@green kayak There is a third solution, we could start a group that goes around all the servers and cuts down every tree we can find until people realize the issue

[raw iris]

i take it as you dont want an easy way to make textures? XD

[green kayak]

I am sick and tired of beech enjoyers living it up while the rest of us must suffer their oppression

(IF i need to clearly state this is sarcasm i will kill one of you)

[gaunt terrace]

It's kinda the reason why its a pre release though

[shell dome]

Lmao, fair. But also, while I'm not saying it should be like real life, wood inequality is definitely a thing in real life. It'd be weird to have all type of trees in 1 location anyway.

[hollow bridge]

I think they actually like the game, there is no one who is actually dedicating this much time criticizing a game they don't like that's insane thinking

[flint field]

Why would you think that?

[dense lynx]

It's not even bugs tho....it's literally "make it minecraft or I'll spam the discord"

[green kayak]

you are the one i will be killing, i have decided

[olive warren]

Imo I'm Thankful that they give the upgrade materials back. Often it is not well received to be harshly penalized for moving or changing things like walls or benches. People want the freedom to rebuild or organize. And if they didn't give us back the upgrade materials that would be really frustrating.

[short tulip]

i dunno dude. I feel like someone saying their primary method of enjoyment is creative expression then ssaying they're really frustrated with the way the game handles creative expression is kinda toxic thinking?

[gaunt terrace]

Oh really. Whats the claim being made here lol?

[flint field]

You couldn’t kill me even if I let you.

[shell dome]

"I want to upend the entire current system because other people get their preferred color before others", that's your entire argument to decimate and dumb down the current system.

[teal forge]

The inequity is solely their positions on the sapling unlock tiers on the farming bench. Like if you start in the desert, you need to go all the way to zone 1 first to collect stuff to then use to unlock saplings for your own biome if you get what i mean by this

[dense lynx]

Hope you get banned for that. And @gaunt terrace you're smart just read the convo lol...multiple people the last hour or so just completely trashing the mechanics and every suggestion they have is MC

[short tulip]

im still out here trying to find the mythic golden tree in zone 4.
.

[hollow bridge]

well, that is just the gameplay loop, are you criticizing that it is contrived?

[fallow monolith]

the fight will be legendary...

[gaunt terrace]

Lmfao fair enough ive been like an entire day without sleeping so im a bit tweaky rn

[ebon rune]

WHY?

[olive warren]

Have any of you guys played Vintage Story? Now that is a much more realistic and punishing survival pixel block game. Of course they have some fantasy mechanics to it as in we have the skeletons and other hostile mobs in this game.

[green kayak]

Are you implying that a game being in pre-release should make it immune to critisism? What are you getting at here?

[shell dome]

Game's about exploration, I don't see the problem.
Yes, areas are tiered and not everything looks the same. This is a good thing I'd say.

[dense lynx]

Ahh I slept lol no wonder xD

[short tulip]

i have a love hate relationship with vintage story. I super respect it for what it is but the pacing is just a little too slow for me. I can see people getting really into it though. 40 to 80 hours to reach iron age is wild

[fallow monolith]

I really like Vintage Story even if I don't play it a lot
that game actually has chores but in the best way imaginable where you really feel like you're sustaining yourself through them

[gaunt terrace]

I really like terraria :3

[teal forge]

But why be against being able to alternatively unlock a specific sapling that is common in a certain zone you are already in without having to travel to totally different zones first?

[shell dome]

Terraria is boss

[dense lynx]

Criticism is okay, but you're just spamming at this point saying the same thing over and over with your 1/3 2/3 3/3 posts....This isn't your blog, if you have that much time for criticism maybe put that into something constructive that you can affect instead of just reiterating stuff people say everyday bc they think it's a full game.

[short tulip]

does anyone know if golden trees are visable on the map?

[green kayak]

lol, he literally asked for me to reply to my previous statements to show them to him

[hollow bridge]

Oh yeah thank you for mentioning Vintage Story as an example, that game is a notoriously hard and difficult survival where even the act of sculping needs at least 10 hours of specific gameplay. The fandom only plays that game because they like hard games!

[gaunt terrace]

There's only one boss

(No one hears a word)

[dense lynx]

Cool...learn to dm?

[shell dome]

Because Hytale decided wood is tiered as well, to fit with the tiered lands?

[green kayak]

I am going to choose to believe you are attempting to ragebait

[dense lynx]

I blocked you and reported you for spam like 4x lol idgaf

[gaunt terrace]

They say

[olive warren]

One thing from that game that really stands out to me is the chisel mechanics. Now I know Minecraft has a chisel mod but this is way more intuitive and it's in the base game. I really thought of it last night when I was building my base how it would have been nice to make half slabs even thinner. But I also agree with the love-hate with vintage story. I think a lot of people have that feeling. It's a tough game

[green kayak]

if you blocked me, why are you still replying to my messages? lol

[short tulip]

yes, i love the crafting mechanics so much! It makes the game feel so much more immersive and alive

[teal forge]

Why wood of all things though? A most basic of basic resource

[gaunt terrace]

I like your pfp

[hollow bridge]

ok I actually emphathize with you they're a bit weird

[green kayak]

thanks a friend drew it!!! it's a protogen :)

[dense lynx]

It's funny actually I explained why to another guy a bit ago...it's because you're spammy and I troll spammers

[gaunt terrace]

Wait oooh now i see it. I thought it was a silly moon

[shell dome]

Why not wood? Should you be able to craft and create/buy every type of furniture and block from the get go? Terraria does it this way as well.
Additionally, the same happens with stone blocks. You need to upgrade your tool workbench to make the better pickaces to mine the better stone. Should we change this too?

[short tulip]

Did you see the light no fire trailer? It looks like its going to have some similar-ish crafting meechanics! Full voxel destruction with what looks like very small voxels in the world. It looks really cool

[dense lynx]

510 million square km *droooool

[teal forge]

In terraria you can use your starting axe to cut down an ebonwood tree and build an ebonwood house if you wish, then plant acorns on corrupted soil to grow more ebonwood trees. In Hytale, you could go to the desert and cut down a desert tree and build a desert house, but you can't regrow those desert trees unless you go to the tundra first for whatever reason.

[short tulip]

ugh. i just realized that all the metals in game are all early game items and the high tier metals are all going to be alloys
Who wants to gamble that mythril is going to be a silver/cobalt or silver/thorium alloy?

[green kayak]

1. stone isn't a crop you're meant to regrow a steady supply of at home, lol

2. No? In terraria trees drop seeds you replant at home

[shell dome]

Can you immediately get pearlwood trees?
My point is that some stuff is locked behind progression, not that some things aren't.

[olive warren]

I've watched some things on YouTube. Apparently they're in the zone 4 on the lighter colored areas and they show his yellow/golden leaves from looking at the map. If my description isn't great I'm not good at that stuff but take a look at YouTube. I'm sure you'll find many helpful videos.

[dense lynx]

Very lifelike...learning how to grow crops/trees from different regions than where you're from. I applaud them for making it hard

[pseudo plank]

Have you seen the trailer for Lay of the Land? You may enjoy that one, its all chisel building

[short tulip]

the ash that almost looks like snow or the light tan dirt looking stuff?

[raw iris]

So ill ask again anybody wants a tool that does texturing for you??

[dense lynx]

YOOOOOO

[teal forge]

I'm talking about if you DO live in those regions.
@shell dome Pearlwood is from a biome that dont exist at all until you defeat WoF. Its not like in Hytale where you can wander into desert to build your base from the start

[olive warren]

Yes. I can't wait to get precise or close release date. There's a lot of hype with that game and hopefully there won't be a big disappointment.

[olive warren]

I'm going to go look that one up right now. Thanks for the suggestion

[shell dome]

Then you've lost me on the argument. Yes, you can't regrow. Do you have the need to immediately need to make an entire village in the first 20 minutes of the game? No? Then get to farming.

[dense lynx]

Idea: Different starting zones that change the order of bench upgrades...you wanna start somewhere else? Cool, then the other trees will be harder. Super easy to implement...the universe would simply swap which zones are which

[pseudo plank]

The trailer showcases it a lil bit, but they have a full video of just building and it looks so relaxing

[olive warren]

From what I saw in the video it looks like light tan dirt color.

[shell dome]

Neither is wood.

[olive warren]

Also if I'm not clearly explaining this hop over to YouTube and there are videos that going to depth about it

[teal forge]

Uh yes it is. Or more accurately, it CAN BE because you can CHOOSE whether you want to deforest the Amazon rainforest or grow trees at home

[shell dome]

No, it's not. No more than stone. You can also choose to make a quarry, much like you can choose to just explore to find more trees.
You're not making any consistent point that doesn't come down to "I'm lazy and I want to play it my way", which, you can! With mods. Please stop asserting you wanting to dumb down the game to the rest of the people here.

[short tulip]

dangit. I thought i found some but it was just a patch of glowing mushrooms ;-;

[teal forge]

Maybe try googling if wood is a renewable resource or not

[shell dome]

Oh no, the real life argument enters the fray again.

[teal forge]

In Hytale

[pseudo plank]

Whether its renewable or not, both are infinite as the world is infinite

[teal forge]

It already is a renewable resource (apart from some types that dont have saplings yet)

[shell dome]

It is! The world is infinite, and imagine needing to make a workstation to make saplings.

[short tulip]

everyone talking about farming azure logs, when do i get to farm burnt wheat for infinite coal?

[shell dome]

You've already admitted to being fine with needing to collect 100 wood to unlock the sapling, the only argument you have left is "But I don't want to do it in order".

[shell dome]

Just make a bunch of furnaces and grow redwood trees for infinite coal.

[short tulip]

too lossy. Burnt wheat harvests directly into charcoal

[shell dome]

1400 a sapling my man. It's about as anti-lossy as it can get.

[short tulip]

zone dependent farming would actually be hella cool. What if farming in different zones let you grow different crops or get mutated/altered crops from the same seeds?

[short tulip]

i get something like 8k essence a day from my farm

[red finch]

I have wondered if they have plans or considerations for weather/zone attributes that affects farming

[short tulip]

if you plant in the rain your tilled soil automatically hydrates!

[hollow bridge]

ooh boy a bunch of if statements! tbf yeah that would be cool

[native gust]

hey, is there any chance to remove all teleports from a map wit a command or something ?

[red finch]

yup, the weather systems are pretty nicely designed for effects and things so I was curious about it

[teal forge]

I don't even know why you randomly started talking about wood somehow not being a renewable resource

[short tulip]

azure is currently non-renewable. i thought you could get it from benches but you cant

burnt and firewood too.

[raw iris]

can someone test a thing i made (max 5 min)

[red finch]

sure

[shell dome]

Where did I say that?

[raw iris]

FINALY GODNESS CHRIST XDD

[teal forge]

right here

[shell dome]

Please reread that, because I never said what you claimed.

[flint field]

Chat, it’s quiz time: Coal is a renewable resource: true or false

[fallow monolith]

coal isn't real

[green kayak]

there is no coal

[limpid quail]

eat coal

[teal forge]

Did you or did you not say that wood is no more of a crop that you can regrow a steady supply of at home than stone, thereby implying that like stone, wood is non-renewable?

[fallow monolith]

It's aaaall in your head Luigi

[flint field]

Good job, you all got it right. Next — My wife left me: true or false?

[dense lynx]

She also took the kids

[limpid quail]

lmao

[proud hornet]

Interesting thought. Is wood actually renewable in hytale? Trees don't drop saplings, so you have to get them from an external source

[green kayak]

you have to farm tomatoes or something to gather "essence of life" and then you craft saplings with that at the farmer workbench

[short tulip]

I FOUND IT! I FOUND THE DANG SALLOW TREE IN THE GOLSH DURN CINDER WASTES!!!!! TIER 8 FARM BABEEEYYYY

[shell dome]

I did not? What?
Are you referring to me replying "Neither is wood"? Because that was directed at the statement that stone isn't something you're meant to regrow a steady supply of at home.

[short tulip]

trees are renewable in the same way crops are. You get essence of life for farming and you use that to farm trees

[hollow bridge]

any boss rush guys in here

Im kinda tired about trees

[flint field]

Just because you can make it doesn’t make it renewable

[teal forge]

Yes you were saying that wood isn't something you're meant to regrow a steady supply of at home whereas in Hytale you absolutely can if you so wish (after some annoying progression ofc)

[shell dome]

Just wait until you find out that they messed up the palm tree's second growth stage, and there's no way to get renewable goldenwood.

[short tulip]

yeah, ive seen that. Ill just be happy to have a maxed farm bench for now

[hollow bridge]

I have found like a single yeti and some skeletons praetorians + plus some outpost of ancient people and burnt skeletons

[short tulip]

i wonder if that means the palm trees in the desert will be a source of goldenwood when that gets fixed? would be funny/kinda suck to see a late game upgrade get made so much easier

[shell dome]

I'm saying you don't need it. You can just fell some trees and have enough wood for whatever. If it's meant for building? Get stone. If that's not good enough, get more trees? Take too much time? Mark a farm workbench. I don't see the issue, other than people being extremely self centered with their personal wishes.

[hollow bridge]

on a side note, alchemist skeleton have the highest burst damage I've seen, it melts my health like butter with two bombs

[short tulip]

that and blocking doesnt reduce the damage to zero ;-;
They're some mean SOB's

[hollow bridge]

you tried blocking, I dagger spamed until my avatar jumped head first into a bomb and then I have to jump into water lmao

[proud hornet]

-# Not enough talk about AI in this chat

[dense lynx]

Clankers have their own social media now. The 'ai' for mobs is better than most games I've seen.

[hollow bridge]

thank god because besides bears enemies hate going into water and then get arrowed to death

[short tulip]

just found cobatlt next to lava :v

[teal forge]

It's a minor issue and nitpicky but we think it would make sense to change it

[olive warren]

I dm you, I can't share videos or pictures on here. ☺️

[hollow bridge]

I mined nearly a stack in volcanic regions lol coldness is a lie

[proud hornet]

I want full machine learning and everything for Hytale. I will personally donate a cup of water for it

[olive warren]

I just saw that you found it. I'm glad ☺️

[olive warren]

I would like a full-blown wiki on Hytale. There are some community-made wikis but they have very limited information at this point.

[dense lynx]

People already did it for MC, I guarantee you they'll be shifting over here to replicate it

[proud hornet]

Wiki's make games like this boring. Its way better to figure stuff out on your own

[dense lynx]

Community wiki from before hytale got canceled lol

[olive warren]

I think the Hytalewiki page is a newer one that has the EA release date. I'm not sure though because I didn't look thoroughly for any dates on when it was made. If anybody knows of any newer ones that would be great. I love wikis for games it helps a player like me. I like to be the most efficient. It's just me and I enjoy reading them and getting tips.

[short tulip]

i just had a wild idea. What if hytale had truly giant enemies. Like 20 block tall bosses that you could climb and fight shadow of the collosus style

[fallow monolith]

What if Hytale was real

[red finch]

Theres probably a mod already for that, and likely a host of them to come out if hypixel doesn't add something like that on it's own.

the dinosaurs kinda are that way..... maybe they'll give us a king of the beasts later.

[short tulip]

THERES A TIER NINE FARM BENCH im gunna die, oh my god

[red finch]

thats to unlock the reward thing i think isn't it ? that weird trophy or something I think they put there

[vagrant raven]

And 10

[short tulip]

whats tier 10 need?

[red finch]

im afraid to ask

[vagrant raven]

Even more petals

[shell dome]

200 each (azure, blood, storm)

[red finch]

🤦‍♂️

[vagrant raven]

200 of each azure, blood, and storm
I see dynamic slow mode is back 😩

[short tulip]

does it unlock anything? Im just seeing the undiscovered recipes left, im assuming for plants that i need to luck into seeds for?

[gaunt terrace]

How does the dynamic thingy work🤔

[flint field]

more chat = more time

[gaunt terrace]

I guess i'll chat less

[shell dome]

No, we clearly need more people, see what the absolute max is for slowmode, surely 60 isn't the top?!

[gaunt terrace]

I've put chats on year long slowmode

[fallow monolith]

here's the yapper

[gaunt terrace]

This was with bots though

[dense lynx]

We yapping? Stress testing the discord?

[gaunt terrace]

I wonder what the most optimal formula is for yapping the most possible

[red finch]

usually one lip over the other

[gaunt terrace]

Damn

[pseudo plank]

Pick a topic you know people disagree with and keep talking about how you're right no matter what they say

[flint field]

message

[dense lynx]

Best formula for yapping is to involve people with DID

[gaunt terrace]

Is hytale dead

[shell dome]

Yes
It was never alive to begin with, it's just a game. Not a living thing.

[pseudo plank]

Back to minecraft we go

[red finch]

We think alike, you and I.

[gaunt terrace]

But a youtuber told me it was a living thing

[shell dome]

Oh, well, in that case I was clearly wrong.

[pseudo plank]

Maybe I should start a yt so I can have my own cult.. i mean community

[fallow monolith]

YouTubers are the smartest beings known to ever exist

[whole wind]

And? I’ve seen a YouTuber go into the woods and scream at plush animals.

[shell dome]

Clearly they had it coming.

[short tulip]

the bear trap still locks down enemies if its already tripped 🥴

[proud hornet]

Me when early access game with bugs has bugs

AI told me Hytale is best game ever and AI is always right and amazing

[red finch]

Well then no reason for mice to get into the house

[flint field]

AI told me that YOU owe me a million USD, so pay up.

[gaunt terrace]

Isnt it freaky that we're all playing with a living being

[proud hornet]

AI told me your wife left you for me

[red finch]

Speaking of traps.... Anyone use the spikes ever?

[clever quest]

I would if they'd give us more trap blocks

[red finch]

more trap blocks like what?

[worldly panther]

My teleportation portal has become unbreakable, invisible, and immutable.

;-;

[clever quest]

more like the Grass Trap, but would be cool if they made them indistinguishable from the actual block (e.g. Dirt trap, Cold Grass Trap, etc etc)

[red finch]

Mod Botania(minecraft) had a block sorta that could do that, called an Abstruse platform, where one side of the block was passable and the other was solid, so you could use it for secret doors and floors. That would be a really cool addition, in this, for traps like you suggest.

I think in Botania you could color that block to any other textured building block

[short tulip]

LETS GOOOOOO. first blood mushroom i broke i got the seed recipe

it requires tier nine

[livid raft]

Hello Hytale

1 month since i touched this game, rip

[pseudo plank]

phantom blocks would be so cool too

[gaunt terrace]

Come back

[livid raft]

Too attached to Minecraft..

[fallow monolith]

Creeper has your wallet it's true

[gaunt terrace]

That's more than understandable

It's not like hytale is complete or anything

[livid raft]

That too

[proud hornet]

Ill give minecraft another shot when the new FTB modpack comes out

[short tulip]

i really hope hytale gets a global enemy AI buff soon. Feels really butts to be able to just snipe unaware enemies and not even have them react

[shell dome]

Yeah, while I appreciate the entire opposite of "you damaged them, they now know where you are and they're coming for you", it'd be nice if they'd try to hide, or try to find out, or inform other enemies nearby to also go searching for you, as a lot of other games do it.

[whole wind]

Look, I’m not saying it’s not hilarious and feels a little Skyrim-levels-of-op, but I can say as a DM for several D&D games… sometimes the monster rolls a 1 on perception even after getting shot in the butt with an arrow… 😅

[proud hornet]

They should implement Grok as the monster AI

Every monster in hytale is Grok

[short tulip]

you're a nicer dm than me.

[whole wind]

That’s just going to make me want to kill them harder

[obtuse temple]

Anyone know if there is a mod yet that lets beams connect to platforms so supports look right ? lol my ocd is killing me.

[graceful bridge]

no but there are some that did diagonal beams, no idea what the name is

[obtuse temple]

Yeah the gap is killing me

I will just wait on using the platforms

[proud hornet]

Advanced AI for hytale!

[short tulip]

i want to be able to fight what ever these desert bones belong too. Rib cage is like 50ish meters long. Whole animal would have been twice that not including tail? So like a liberal guess is like 100 meters long? ribcage is like 23 meters tall. maybe 30 to 40 meters tall in total depending on leg layout

[stark mist]

6 weeks so far

[snow fable]

If that means we'll effectively have Grokodiles ingame, that makes it all worth it

[proud hornet]

Why do you wanna fight my house

[short tulip]

to prove that i can

[whole wind]

Your house might have cool loot?

[proud hornet]

I spent a long time re-purposing the giant ribcage to be my house

[stark mist]

maybe it's the fallen dinosaurs

[short tulip]

blugh. The desert is so much nicer at night. No scarak bees

[short tulip]

dunno. There's extant dinosaurs and they're not in the desert.

[left lintel]

hi

[red finch]

that likely will change lol enjoy it while it lasts

[short tulip]

you think? I figured the hard split between day and night was an intended mechanic

[red finch]

well, perhaps it is working as intended....for now lol

Those bees though.... agro range seems inconsistent to me but thats cause im probably dimensionally challenged

[whole wind]

I haven’t encountered the desert monsters just yet (I keep getting distracted building my main base in the emerald wilds… haha) but I heard another friend say they were like the death-squitos from Valheim

[red finch]

your name and color of name are perfectly suited for those winged beasts in Hytale. Poison, and pricks..

[short tulip]

they're almost as bad as cazadores

[mossy dawn]

Are the desert skeletons no longer dropping feathers randomly? I haven't seen any in quite a while and I still desperately need them

[thorn dust]

Does anyone here know how to do density props? I need a bit of help

[short tulip]

if you switch off of your bow before your arrow hits the arrow just disapears

[pseudo plank]

Yeahhh its bound to the item, same happens with bomb goblins if they throw and die before it explodes

[blissful drift]

🫄

[red finch]

does it still consume the fired arrow?

[merry plume]

I wonder when pre-release drops

[mossy dawn]

HyTown MMO or the base game?

[gleaming birch]

what game-discussion channel should i be checking? i get stressed having to check both haha

[proud hornet]

Dont get stressed over something so simple. Neither are that important, simply play Hytale

[pseudo plank]

This one has the cool people in it

[gleaming birch]

let me be lmao

[gleaming birch]

i'll check this one then!

[grand stag]

^
This...
The other channel just seems like lil kids spamming most of the time

[pseudo plank]

im the cool people dont know about the others xD

fr though this is verified only, you wont have people spamming about hytale being dead or people asking to buy them the game

[grand stag]

right?!?! why even join the discord if you dont own the game

[soft cradle]

Because they want the game and ask people to buy for them. Or in some cases they are having issues buying the game.

But it's the weird ones that join and ask "What is Hytale" that make me question my sanity.

[grand stag]

truth

[red finch]

I'm trying to make sense of an upside down rhyme.

upside down and backwards, even.

[soft cradle]

Lol I play a mobile game called Shop Titans. I had a friend named Stage who's name was upside-down and backwards. We were really close. Sadly he died 11/28/23 I made my name this way in his memory.

[red finch]

That's really sad and also really cool of you.

upside down and backwards stage......sounds like a mario kart course

maybe that was Stage's inspiration

or I guess Egats

[limpid quail]

omg i forgot about that game lol

[red finch]

no idea how to flip words with windows keyboard

[cerulean plaza]

Whats everyone creating today?

[limpid quail]

haha you have a point

[viral maple]

dude devastated lands loot is op

i've got more adamantite than i do cobalt. i cant even craft adamantite stuff yet

[soft cradle]

He actually got his nickname in elementary school. He was walking on stage for a play and fell face down onto the stage. Everyone started to call him stage after that and it stuck for over 40yrs of his life. Ha. He was a really sweet guy. Over the years I've met some really nice people through gaming communities. Lost a few friends along the way, but that is life.

[verbal tide]

At some point i wish to know what other stuff Cursebreaker edition can get for people who have it.

[arctic coral]

Anyone know a way to clear all entities on the floor. Like if I dropped a lot of items, how can I clear them?

[soft cradle]

I'd assume what it has now is all you get. With the joy if the fact that you knowingly supported the game for pretty cosmetics. 😍

[verbal tide]

I could see that but it also said more coming soon so i cant wait to see the other stuff that you get with it

[pseudo plank]

The only way I've found is just by waiting, the only clear command does not apply to dropped items

[fallow monolith]

yeah it says Soon to be revealed.... and more with future updates
It's not a big deal, you'll be able to upgrade for a long time

[soft cradle]

The only reason I didn't buy that version is because it was just cosmetics. But if more does come that I want I'd definitely upgrade ha

[mild bronze]

full release when

[fallow monolith]

2073

[mild bronze]

our little comedian

[arctic coral]

Thanks

[verbal tide]

could also be 2666 XD

[mild bronze]

funniest honkai player

[fallow monolith]

there's at least 10 years of development ahead like anyone knows

[mild bronze]

aight thx

[verbal tide]

wow (this is a joke but) calling me out right as im on honkai

[plucky kettle]

waiting patiently for lots of new cooking recipessss

[cerulean plaza]

I got custom fonts working. They are sick. but now I need to find a free commerical font that looks like Hytales or make one, any advice.

[pseudo plank]

comic sans

[plucky kettle]

this is a really tiny tiny "bug" but lanterns are counting as crops when using scythe lol

sickle, whatever it's called

[cerulean plaza]

I know it's a joke. But recently I was doing a project and needed a font. Scanned them I had and pick one. And its.... Comic Sans. I think I just like what everyone hates.

[mossy dawn]

I've found it so cumbersome to use I don't bother :( Kinda of sad

[short tulip]

Sans serifs are out. Serifs are in. We profesionals now

[viral maple]

i had lowk thought braziers could burn items but alas no such luck

[sonic atlas]

Balsamiq Sans is a nice alternative. you can find it on google fonts. how do you change the font anyway?

[icy hollow]

mreow

[cerulean plaza]

I made a tool that takes the TTF and converts it to the crazy font system hytale uses. Took me a good day to get this to work. I'll release the tool in beta I hope next week.

[sonic atlas]

Oh nice. On Curseforge?

[cerulean plaza]

Its an IDE so I'll release on my discord for beta for a few weeks first so I can get dedicated feedback. This is one of the modding tools I added to it. Also have Recipe Batch Tool, Version updator for Zip, Jars, Manifest, Lang File Auto Maker
Any other tasks you hate doing and wihc there was a batch tool for.
File Renamer with context, Item templates, npc templates, and item batcher are on the list with many others.

[cerulean plaza]

I was hoping to find something like the logo's font with the sharp ends. Fantasy Medieval style so the titles match it more.

[short tulip]

ME-ow~

[echo panther]

YOUCH!!!

[viral maple]

where's a good place to farm venom sacs?

im thinkin desert bc of all the snakes and scarak

[solar basin]

There's no "good place", but it drop from: snakes, scorpions and wasps. So, if you find a dungeon with lots of snakes, it can help you, but it's not that easy.

[lofty python]

What do you guys except the game to be at (in development progress) in 4 months?

[viral maple]

rats

i need like 21 of em

[mighty urchin]

rats dont drop venom sacs

oh wait, 😆 you mean like "damn"?

[viral maple]

yeh

im still unclear on if i can curse round here. bc typically i swear like a sailor

[echo panther]

Yaharg matey

[viral maple]

yippee

[quaint jackal]

server connection gone??

[umbral lagoon]

same here

[quaint jackal]

yep same for jadeberry looks like hytale´s host server crashed now nobody can host

[umbral lagoon]

Can't even start game in online mode

[short tulip]

gathering petals for the farm aint too bad. Ive already got recipes for all 3 colors. Just need 50 more storm and 75 more azure for tier 9

[umbral lagoon]

seems like its back

nvm, down again

[quaint jackal]

yes

[umbral lagoon]

are you in europe and on a telekom network by chance?

[umbral lagoon]

seems to be working now, I was able to start my server and connect to it

[quaint jackal]

same

[quaint jackal]

europe yes, telekom nope, 1&1

[umbral lagoon]

just to filter out telekom peering problem

[cerulean sparrow]

Hey everyone, I'm wondering where there are good places/spaces to invite people to play on a (modded) Hytale server. FB groups? Reddit? Somewhere else? It's been so hard and I know I'm not the only person struggling to bring together a community

Looking for recommendations based on experience, though, not random guesses 🙂

[vagrant raven]

Hmm... new weird thing found:
I cannot place a light temple lantern on top of a shale brick beam

[quaint jackal]

again down

if youre also with hetzner, thats the reason probably

[umbral lagoon]

hetzner?

I'm on Gravel Host, I was not disconnected now

[proud hornet]

Have you tried hard enough?

[vagrant raven]

Nah, I figured a single mouse click was sufficient effort and that I should go directly to yelling at game devs and mod makers

also my doctor says I can't try for 24 hours after electrolysis

gotta avoid sweating

[proud hornet]

Fair enough

Have you tried placing the shale brick beam under the light temple lantern?

[fallow monolith]

Honestly it is their fault for everything I agree

[cobalt hazel]

I started making mods, mainly just adding new items or editing existing ones, but I'm wondering if when people download a mod do they want to have easy access to the items from the mod or are they fine having to craft as if they were in the game, having to go search for the ingredients?

[fallow monolith]

It really depends on what you want to consider
either way works depending on the mod and items in question
I personally like the effort to consider how the item should be crafted compared to the rest of the game to integrate better

[cobalt hazel]

real, ty

[short tulip]

does anyone know if the azure, blood, and storm plants can drop eternal seeds like other crops?

[restive olive]

lol

[vagrant raven]

unironically yes, lol

first step is... complicated

[proud hornet]

I have no more advice then. I wish you luck

[vagrant raven]

I even tried finding something I could hang the lantern from and then putting the beam under the lantern and then breaking the thing above the lantern

😭

[spice dirge]

guys where in earth do I get palm wood

like when I find palm trees they are only like the small ones that gives sticks but I need palm logs

[hushed terrace]

Palm is rare. If you need the logs for the farmers bench I think your better bet is golden wood. Is much easier to find

[tropic cosmos]

I started exploring the infinite lands in my world and it seems every direction is Borial.

[heady basin]

So much purple

[spice dirge]

oh I just wanted to build my own palm trees 😅 I guess I'll use some other logs

[cerulean sparrow]

Everything? Well that's a relief, I thought most of my life problems were MY fault

[fallow monolith]

it's true

[short tulip]

so ive been to all the ancient portals. Im coming up on 200 memories. Im missing 2 of the findable seed recipes. Is there anything im missing as far as completion goes other than the rest of the memories?

[cerulean sparrow]

Recreate Minas Tirith

EZ

[restive olive]

i believe you should already have a backup of your world, if not, please make one

[hushed terrace]

Create a memories museum, capture each creature so anyone can walk through and get all the memories /s

[amber salmon]

guys .. so i went to trade at the kweek tree nearest me and found out something had slaughtered all most all the kweek .. really sad .. but will they re populate . or what do i need to do to help

ok so i googled it . and it says give them gifts .. but i dont know how to gift them

[full tartan]

Were Fires at the Kweeb Tree?

[dapper folio]

Lucy 🤔

[full tartan]

If yes, i think i know what caused that.

but even if theres no Fire, i know who did it.

[amber salmon]

no fires .. and there was an injured bear and a few wolves and skeltons near by

[full tartan]

Trorks.

[amber salmon]

i killed the bear he was almost dead ,

[full tartan]

According to what i Searched, Trorks can Attack Kweebec Settlements.

[amber salmon]

i killed the other things too now .. but their population is down to one injured Kweebec and the trader

so does that mean there is a tork village near by

[full tartan]

Not a Village

A Trork Camp. I dont recall seeing Trorks having Villages.

[amber salmon]

yeah a camp .. is what i ment .. ok thank you so much for your help ! i will try to see what else i can do .. do you happen to know how to gift them . the only thing i can think to do it repopulate their rabits and gardens

[full tartan]

Never had that Happen to me, and i dont know if its really that or not, i just searched in Google what could it be.

[void stirrup]

I'm Stumbling... anyone know what blockymodel in the assets is uesd for beams?

[pure kayak]

Hytale

[wheat ore]

hy tail

[proud hornet]

High tale

[upbeat wigeon]

T

[junior flicker]

High on tale

[sweet ravine]

tales is high

[grizzled wyvern]

Anyone know a better option than curseforge for browsing mods

[mighty urchin]

nope

[wooden quest]

That’s the only option lol besides premium ones

[mighty urchin]

there is a few on nexus but not much

[grizzled wyvern]

Well that’s just stupid

[upbeat wigeon]

I'd argue Nexus is a worse user experience than even curseforge is.

[wooden quest]

I think they have a deal if I’m not mistaken

[mighty urchin]

probably why there is only a few

[grizzled wyvern]

The people running curseforge are evil

[upbeat wigeon]

Probably true.

[mighty urchin]

🙄

[flint field]

No

[upbeat wigeon]

Maybe it's just Fallout 4 that makes it such a miserable experience then.

[grizzled wyvern]

I literally need a better option because I have mods that need publishing

[stark mist]

no it's high tail

[upbeat wigeon]

Oh, bad news, you want those on curse.

[mighty urchin]

wym? i have a pile of mods for f4 through nexus .i dont seem to have issues?

[wooden quest]

Is it open source? If not probably going to be curseforge

[grizzled wyvern]

Are you mad?! Do you even know what Overwolf is supporting?!

[upbeat wigeon]

Hmm? No I don't have issues, the UX is just worse in my opinion. Granted, I may just heavily dislike Load Order.

[upbeat wigeon]

My guy, it's capitalism; there is no ethical consumption.

[flint field]

Vortex sucks ass but you should be using Nexus for downloads only and MO2 for modding anything it supports (Bethesda especially)

[grizzled wyvern]

I’m going to dm you real quick because I can’t say it here

[upbeat wigeon]

Oh. I might have just been thinking of Vortex then.

[mighty urchin]

guess im lucky

[grizzled wyvern]

Darn it won’t deliver

[upbeat wigeon]

Weird. I don't have my DMs closed.

[grizzled wyvern]

You might only be accepting dms from friends

[upbeat wigeon]

I'm pretty sure I didn't turn that on. Let me check.

[grizzled wyvern]

Okay

[upbeat wigeon]

Apparently I had filter for spam on.

[grizzled wyvern]

Okay

Still won’t deliver

[upbeat wigeon]

Hold on, I'll send a message to open a convo.

[grizzled wyvern]

Okay

[upbeat wigeon]

Uh... I can't send to you either. Can you send like one word?

[grizzled wyvern]

Okay

Apparently not

[upbeat wigeon]

Huh. Weird.

[formal dew]

Weird...

[grizzled wyvern]

I double checked the server rules and I guess mention of politics is okay

@upbeat wigeon

[upbeat wigeon]

Yes, I am in fact, still here.

[grizzled wyvern]

Okay

The reason why I’m not using curseforge is because the company running it is supporting the Israeli government who is committing genocide

[mighty urchin]

ffs

[upbeat wigeon]

Hmm... OK, whilst I do agree that is in fact atrocious, unfortunately, basically every single company is supporting that genocide. There's not really a place you can go to that doesn't.

[grizzled wyvern]

Wait… what?!

[upbeat wigeon]

Like, most of the companies support it, unfortunately.

[mighty urchin]

can we tame the lil spark eye dudes?

[grizzled wyvern]

You just made me paranoid

[silk valley]

woah woah, it's antisemitic to criticize the genocidal country, didn't you hear?

[upbeat wigeon]

Sadly, yes.

[wet lodge]

Are y'all from the us 😭

[upbeat wigeon]

Yerp. NC, smack dab in the bible belt of the south, at your service.

[silk valley]

yup, big funders of the genocide here

[wet lodge]

Same 🤣 Wisconsin the best state fr 🙏

[grizzled wyvern]

I won’t say

[mighty urchin]

can we not derail the channel today? this is way to much a hot topic to be talking about here in GAME-discussion.

[opaque crow]

I appreciate you but RIP, people are gonna get mad about this

[silk valley]

haha it's not the place to soapbox, I'll step away

[opaque crow]

but I agree 100%

[upbeat wigeon]

I see how it is, poor souls can't even commiserate over our miserable situation anymore...

[mighty urchin]

you can. just not where we are supposed to be supporting th game

[opaque crow]

I didn't know this, I'll be sticking with nexus then.

[grizzled wyvern]

Good good

[upbeat wigeon]

I was being sardonic as a joke.

[undone jolt]

Corrupt governments will use any means to perpetuate their control.
One such method is to reframe criticism as racism or bigotry.
So long as you can convince enough through propaganda & emotional manipulation, the facts can always be obfuscated.
Its not the job of every website or service to hire professional researchers who can verify the authenticity of geopolitical conflicts.

[opaque crow]

Most of media are owned by billionaires and act as the PR arm* of the state regardless.
Almost is every news story starts as, "the police say," or, "this evil af regime says".
Seems like all the people who go into journalism are satisfied to be stenographers and propagandists.

[upbeat wigeon]

This is kind of true, however, it does falter after reaching a certain scale. Like, for instance, WW2; supporting the axis in that conflict is an abject failure.

[frank zealot]

Man, y’all in here being real downers tonight huh

[upbeat wigeon]

IDK, I just came off of watching the state of the union from yesterday, so big depression vibes all around.

[flint field]

I miss my wife

[opaque crow]

I miss my cat

[upbeat wigeon]

I miss no one, because I have yet to lose someone. (T~T)

[frank zealot]

Go pet a baby pig in Hytale. You’ll feel better.

[flint field]

We can change that if you want

[upbeat wigeon]

: |

That sounds like a threat...

[flint field]

I never said the methodology

[little flint]

It's always abyssmal over there, and as much as I'd like to indulge in venting about all that crap, this is Hytale 😄 cries inside a lil

[upbeat wigeon]

(T~T)

True...

[opaque crow]

tbf if we had something to say about Hytale we would be 🤷

[little flint]

i mean true tbh

[upbeat wigeon]

Not even the time to do modding anymore because of college workload... small violin

[grand stag]

i got something...
has anyone encountered the bug where if you TP out to far distances, the world starts to fail?

• 100,000 blocks out = the shaders get a bit shakey
• 1,000,000 blocks out = movement is odd, shaders get really bad, sometimes the world flickers out
• 2,000,000 blocks out = all hope is lost. Movement is horrible (Basically can only move along the x/z planes)

[upbeat wigeon]

Oh that's just floating point precision being floating point precision.

[grand stag]

i figured as much, im just surprised they havnt fixed that.

[upbeat wigeon]

I mean... I think it may be unfixable.

[grand stag]

in MC, you can go 30,000,000 blocks out...
Its pretty bad that Hytale is basically limited to 100k

[upbeat wigeon]

Unfortunately, the mantissa can only be so many bits. It's just a limitation of how we store floating point numbers and represent them.

MC uses doubles, Hytale uses floats.
Doubles are 64 bits
Floats are 32 bits

[little flint]

I haven't seen that... but now I'm curious. can you just teleport that far out to see it happen ?

[grand stag]

then they need to switch to doubles

[little flint]

nvm you said TP so... guess i'll try

[upbeat wigeon]

Double:
1 sign bit - 11 exponent bits - 52 mantissa bits

Float:
1 sign bit - 8 exponent bits - 23 mantissa bits

[upbeat wigeon]

I assume they didn't because 32 bits means more through put than 64 bits. 2x as much in fact.

[junior flicker]

nvm can't show imagine