🎲game-room

[hollow garden]

Well I hope I did well

[frank latch]

tired

[hardy edge]

exactly

[frank latch]

@hollow garden when are you hosting?

to be fair
it's summer

[wild mason]

https://tenor.com/view/delta-rune-deltarune-kris-berdly-kerdly-gif-5572112966491402182

[hollow garden]

U should nap

[hollow garden]

This is dess

And truck

[visual shard]

I can't believe they freed klezbludish

[frank latch]

nah

I just woke up

that's why I'm tired

besides
I don't really take naps

[west path]

why do you call him a blud

[visual shard]

because klen is an evil

[prime compass]

You will not escape, blud

[frank latch]

dead chat lol

[elder arch]

i’ve an engine that still runs
roaring knight, i’ll get ‘er done
with the force to crush your rising star
don’t forget, i’m hitting you with my car

[spring bison]

Is this real

[frank latch]

~bt

[hardy saffron]

@frank latch: I have a Rise engine, drive, star power, do it, and don't forget my slow down.

[prime compass]

Arcasian dream

[frosty drum]

North Korea

[quick idol]

Robbery

[cunning niche]

AMEX?

[silent smelt]

donald trump golden card

[wraith quarry]

im voting but i have no loyalty to big companies

[silent smelt]

@hardy edge Do we kill all Visa voters?

[rose cape]

notice how the sloplites choose mastercard

[wild mason]

Fuck cryptocurrency

[rose cape]

bro fell for the propaganda

it’s joever

[small cove]

Visa

[silent smelt]

????¿

[small cove]

I love my debit card

[silent smelt]

Mastercard looks cooler thoufg

Though

They have cooler looking propaganda

[frosty drum]

@small cove @wild mason @silent smelt play fears to fathom

[silent smelt]

Once bro votes mastercard

[rose cape]

skillerz doesnt even know what a credit card is

[small cove]

What

[wild mason]

What does this have to do with me?

[rose cape]

~bt

[hardy saffron]

@rose cape: That's what matters to me. is that right Who cares about it?

[silent smelt]

Vote #🎲game-room message

Your vote matters, it is:
priceless 🔴🟠

[glacial inlet]

Killzone at Brest

[noble cradle]

What is this

[glacial inlet]

mud and blood

[frank latch]

Lol

apparently some town in Florida had their fireworks display blown up by lighting on the day of the 4th

that's a very Florida thing to happen

[silent smelt]

low-key visa voters are dry af 😭

[keen bough]

What is Mastercard

[mortal moat]

I dont know anyone who uses mastercard

Tho i wish there was a third one because cencorship(look at steam scandal)
Not saying i dont support the deletion of said games its just that censorship always starts small with what you agree to censor before it goes bad

[cunning niche]

I do

And visa

And AMEX

[mortal moat]

Who even is bro

[cunning niche]

Bananam

[mortal moat]

Isnt gilbert a name parder used

[mortal moat]

Ohhh

[visual shard]

I will be flooding banans dms soon™️

[frosty drum]

@mortal moat Star Wars Jumpscare

[mortal moat]

Does anyone live in the deep core

[frosty drum]

Yes
Empress Teta

[mortal moat]

Who?

[frosty drum]

The Deep core is EXTREMELY Hard to traverse

[mortal moat]

Also is hutt space where java the hutt is

[frosty drum]

Thats the Dydtem

[frosty drum]

Yes
Thats the hurts control

@mortal moat

[mortal moat]

Why

Its all so close together

[frosty drum]

Messes with hyperspace navigation

Because of THAT reason

[mortal moat]

That seems like some bs but sure

“You are so close to the north you cant use a compass” ahh reason

[frosty drum]

@mortal moat reminder that Being an Explorer is one of the most dangerous jobs in the galaxy

Especially star charts

[mortal moat]

The most dangerous is a star trooper and the safest is a star trooper with glasses

[cunning niche]

i dont like starwars

[frosty drum]

AHHHHHHHHHHH

@cunning niche watch andor btw

[cunning niche]

knock off dune

[frosty drum]

Ragebait

[cunning niche]

its true

[frosty drum]

Dune is Overrated

[bleak oracle]

Why is Tatooine not in hutt space? It’s ruled by the hutts.

[frosty drum]

Its neutral space

The hutts are a major influence yes

[bleak oracle]

They own the planet.

[frosty drum]

Ik
But its also under some imperial control or influence

[bleak oracle]

I say influence sense if it was under control Vader would’ve cracked down on the slavery there.

[frosty drum]

Vader is under the Emperors hand
Also he was there

And did nothing

[bleak oracle]

Actually a more less known fact he did crack down on slavery in empire control areas.

He didn’t completely get rid of it.

But he really fucking hated it.

Now him doing other shit like completely whipping out slavery is a huge no.

I also wanna mention Vader was not under the Emperor’s hand.

Bro try backstabbing the guy every other week.

[frosty drum]

Emperor was 2 steps ahead

[bleak oracle]

Oh no he was.

But Darth Vader was not loyal.

[brittle gust]

Ragebait used to be believable

[visual shard]

I wonder if my kleznamish free translation trial ran out

[brittle gust]

Whar

[visual shard]

the bludish klen has yet to respond to my translation request💔

[brittle gust]

Khar

[visual shard]

qhar

[steep merlin]

The shovel was a ground-breaking invention.

[brittle gust]

Where is the option for Amazon gift card

😡

[hard shoal]

In any sensible reality that would just mean a whole bunch of space slings or what have you will be made, all to throw ships in and out of orbits and cut down on travel time for ships without hyperspeed.

And since apperently Hyspace is messed up there, you would THINK they would have stuff like that already built since in-lore (iirc) a good chunk of ships already don't have that ability.

Like, this is "Suez canal is too tight to use safely." Type logic. Even the Horn of Africa and Southern America has the excuse of rough weather depending on season.

[brittle gust]

https://tenor.com/view/captainsparklez-revenge2-creeper-aw-man-2-gif-7231119067121314545

Me when there's a correct answer

[west path]

,roll 2

[haughty inlet]

qevie

:game_die: You rolled 2

[silent smelt]

Blumi holls

[silent smelt]

Fortnite!

Vote #🎲game-room message

Your vote matters, it is:
priceless 🔴🟠

[hollow garden]

No one is voting MasterCard 🥀

[silent smelt]

🤓 🤓 🤓

[bold glade]

Hi

[bold glade]

https://media.tenor.com/NPRslmXaEFIAAAAM/mastercard-credit-card.gif

https://media.tenor.com/uiW9lThYIaYAAAAM/mastercard-credit.gif

[knotty cosmos]

Theft

[wraith quarry]

watch andor

yyou could watch the first season completely without other star wars media

[frosty drum]

@wraith quarry @wraith quarry @wraith quarry I found this gem

[wraith quarry]

unfortunately season 2 does require you to at least have seen some parts of rebels, rogue one, and etc.

[wraith quarry]

crazy

[frosty drum]

Not rebels

But Rogue one is a must watch Afterwards

[wraith quarry]

ngl rogue one should be watched first

because it sets you up to understanding some stuff first

[vital latch]

,roll 20 expand

[haughty inlet]

c0smicpotato

:game_die: You rolled 20

[vital latch]

i win

[cunning niche]

Ive seen the movies

And ive seen the dune movies

Dune is the original

[wraith quarry]

dune and star wars couldnt be more far apart ngl

[brittle gust]

It's like saying GoT is knockoff LotR

Is that a good comparison

Hmm

[wraith quarry]

well im ngl

lucas has said himself

he has taken inspiration from a lot of stuff

[frosty drum]

Everything has Inspiration from something

[brittle gust]

Everyone takes inspiration

[wraith quarry]

and yeah

[brittle gust]

.

[wraith quarry]

so

according to the first result that came up

which was sadly reddit

there is not really much in similarity beyond

there's also sand planets

[balmy epoch]

@prisma flame

[prisma flame]

it is

[balmy epoch]

I thought you’d hate that

[prisma flame]

no like it genuinely is meant to be based on LotR

[hollow garden]

Execute the bookshish

[prisma flame]

honestly much of game of thrones can be explained as being purposely opposite to lord of the rings

[wraith quarry]

but yeah LoTR and Dune
even warhammer 40k
are such cornerstones in their respective fields that they literally created their genres

[frosty drum]

@hollow garden session when

[wraith quarry]

if there was not influence in a piece of media from them it isnt real

[balmy epoch]

the dune universe is honestly really interesting and I’m gonna read the dune books soon

idrc about the movies

[noble cedar]

Dune is a science fiction novel and Star Wars is a space opera. Both featuring space doesn’t make one the predecessor or original. They operate in completely different genres and boundaries, telling stories unique to themselves

[hollow garden]

Maybe tomorrow

[balmy epoch]

I prefer reading

[noble cedar]

They cannot be equated

[prisma flame]

the worst criticisms of game of thrones are people who claim that it has absolutely no morality for the sake of having no morality

[hollow garden]

What is it about again

[wraith quarry]

book is good so far but it does kinda drag on

[hollow garden]

It's sci fi right

[prisma flame]

and tbh that's just misunderstanding the series

well first off

[balmy epoch]

yes

[prisma flame]

the game of thrones show is not morally grey

the show has a clear good and evil

[brittle gust]

Yes but can you even call it a knockoff

[balmy epoch]

there are like 5 books right

[prisma flame]

i honestly dislike the show for that reason

[wraith quarry]

literally the point of the show is everybody is evil

[balmy epoch]

🇸🇾

[brittle gust]

Preach

[wraith quarry]

uhh 3 main books

couple of other books

[brittle gust]

It got kinda boring for me on S2 cus of that

[prisma flame]

no not really

[hollow garden]

house stark:

[wraith quarry]

but the main story revolves around the main 3

[prisma flame]

the game of thrones show literally whitewashes every character

especially tyrion

holy shit

[hollow garden]

The Kurds:

[noble cedar]

A Song of Ice and Fire is a 1,7 million word long book saga. It can also really not be equated to LoTR

[prisma flame]

they botched tyrion

btw

i dont even mean in the later seasons

[balmy epoch]

Ramady is a Kurd

[prisma flame]

i mean the entire show

[hollow garden]

Ramady is an angel

[noble cedar]

It stands on its own two feet

[prisma flame]

they purposely whitewash tyrion in the show to be a good guy

[brittle gust]

Hmm, that is true

[prisma flame]

in the books he is NOT a good person

[balmy epoch]

he really doesn’t like black people or Jewish people,

[wraith quarry]

game of thrones is literally just people grabbing power

[brittle gust]

Crazy

[prisma flame]

to an extent

[wraith quarry]

lord of the rings is about mankind coming together to defeat evil

[brittle gust]

Literally just mapwars lmfao

[balmy epoch]

he doesn’t like Indians and Christians too

[wraith quarry]

like that's the story

[prisma flame]

and i think it's because david and dan only read asoiaf on a surface level

for example

they see tyrion doing shit

and think

omg hes a good person

[balmy epoch]

game of thrones map wars

[prisma flame]

but if you read the subtext then you'd know he's clearly now

not*

[silent smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-smelly-gross-smell-bad-smell-body-odor-gif-3521920713570686607

[wraith quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/stink-gif-2447225171524817855

[brittle gust]

Would be so fire
Mapchart has a Westeros map

[silent smelt]

xD

[balmy epoch]

yes but mapchart sucks

[noble cedar]

The yapping and posturing would be obscene

[brittle gust]

😔

[silent smelt]

mapcharts is good tfym HB

[balmy epoch]

did you mean to reply to jarz

[prisma flame]

also btw they were awful adapters

[hollow garden]

Uxair incident 2.0

[brittle gust]

No it is not

[prisma flame]

they purposely changed content just because they felt like it

like for example

they didn't like magic or fantasy

[brittle gust]

Shh we don't talk about that

[noble cedar]

What’s that?

[silent smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/keir-starmer-angela-rayner-rachel-reeves-labour-labour-party-gif-24484048

[prisma flame]

so they removed much of that from the series

[brittle gust]

Guh

Guhhh

What the fuck

[frosty drum]

Galaxy

[hollow garden]

What's that

[prisma flame]

no unironically they said they removed magic from the show because it would scare away jocks

what the fuck are they on about 😭

[noble cedar]

So the TV show is a shitty adaptation?

[frosty drum]

Star wars galaxy

[noble cedar]

Crazy

[brittle gust]

Why do they care about jocks

That isn't even their main audience

[prisma flame]

yes although the source material is so good that the first four seasons are some of the greatest forms of television

but the book is infinitely better imo

[balmy epoch]

there should be a fully fledged got rpg based on the books

[noble cedar]

I should read it after I finish Worm

[prisma flame]

books*

[cunning niche]

6*

[brittle gust]

Just play the ck3 mod for ASOIAF

[prisma flame]

ok so here's the thing about them

[noble cedar]

Will it ever be finished? 😔

[prisma flame]

they liked the political drama of game of thrones

that's what they liked adapting

[balmy epoch]

I’m banned from all paradox games for life

[prisma flame]

they didn't like the fantasy part

[hollow garden]

It's peak

[prisma flame]

that's why game of thrones as a tv show feels more medieval than any fantasy

[brittle gust]

Crazys

[hollow garden]

They know what you did in hoi4

[prisma flame]

btw you can see it in subtle ways

[silent smelt]

xixo tonic tastes like xixo lemon ngl

[prisma flame]

the color grading of the show is dark and brown

ugly asf

the books paint a different picture than that

[noble cedar]

That looks so shitty

[cunning niche]

They didnt remove the magic aspect at all

[prisma flame]

asoiaf is still a fantasy series

high fantasy

[balmy epoch]

I meant more like a Witcher or elder scrolls type of rpg

[cunning niche]

Did you forget about millisandre?

[prisma flame]

yes they objectively did

[silent smelt]

??? @matty

[prisma flame]

do you want quotes?

[silent smelt]

@matty_fatty

why cant i ping bro

[silent smelt]

@turbid valley

[prisma flame]

they whitewashed her

[noble cedar]

Clipped the tendons

[prisma flame]

but also that's only a minor magical part

[cunning niche]

Bran??

[brittle gust]

That was the bare minimum

[cunning niche]

The three eyed raven??

[prisma flame]

they removed probably 60% of the magic from the books

[brittle gust]

Bare minimum

[noble cedar]

I will die on my hill

[brittle gust]

bare minimum

[prisma flame]

bro no way you're claiming this

do you know wtf they did to the three eyed raven???

[cunning niche]

The white walkers??

[silent smelt]

clipped by matthias?

[prisma flame]

bro...

are you good?

[brittle gust]

bare minimum

[noble cedar]

What

[prisma flame]

that's not the bare minimum they completely botched both of those things

let me rant

first off

white walkers

[cunning niche]

The giant ice dragon?

[prisma flame]

they misunderstood the entire point of the white walkers

they made them into casual evil guys like orcs in lotr

[brittle gust]

They weren't knockoff mongols???

[prisma flame]

they missed the ENTIRE point of the series

the white walkers also are made to look ugly and weird

when that's the opposite of their depiction

[noble cedar]

Btw if you spoil me, I will actually kill you

[prisma flame]

ok no spoilers

ill put a spoiler tag actually for the next part

[balmy epoch]

the south rises again

[brittle gust]

Tyrion Lannister dies from food poisoning and Bran Stark becomes lord of the vale through some complex ahh inheritance

[balmy epoch]

and Maryland goes too

[cunning niche]

Lies btw

[noble cedar]

Australia when they have entered treatise with their vile abominations and take over the world:

[noble cedar]

I can’t use any of this information

But I read it as Tony Stark

[brittle gust]

That'd be funny

[prisma flame]

||in the books, the three eyed raven is an old targaryen who objectively seems to be guiding Jon and Bran throughout their entire stories. The show purposely replaces many of these scenes with random characters finding stuff. For example, in the books Jon only becomes lord commander after a crow SAYS HIS NAME, which is ofc blood raven warging into it, and he finds the dragon glass through ghost, and that's also how he'll be revived possibly. There are multiple instances where this happens throughotu the story and it's clear that it's infinitely more magical than the show.||

only read if you wanna be spoiled on books and show

[noble cedar]

So I’ll just imagine Iron Man coming in hot

[brittle gust]

Imagine tony got isekai'd to GoT

[balmy epoch]

are these real spoilers 😭

[noble cedar]

I bet that there is fanfic for that

[cunning niche]

|| ur main point was that magic was removed but its still there you should if said the magic was botched ||

[brittle gust]

Yes

[balmy epoch]

fuck you

[brittle gust]

:D

I have only watched up to half the second season

[silent smelt]

i nearly broke down when xixo green citrus tea got discontinued from slovakia :(

[noble cedar]

I am reading a fucking Contessa, Flavia de Luce, Harry Potter crossover

And it’s peak btw

[brittle gust]

What the hell is that even

[silent smelt]

mental bweakdown

[noble cedar]

You’ll never know

[prisma flame]

||there are categorically multiple instances where most of the magic in the books is removed from the show. What we see in the show are very minor and often even botched instances of magic. This isn't a hot take because the showrunners have SAID they did this on purpose bro idk why you're arguing against that. ||

[cunning niche]

https://tenor.com/view/sausage-ramsay-bolton-got-gif-20668661

[noble cedar]

Hahahahahaha

Hahahaha

[cunning niche]

|| i was arguing that there still is magic ||

[silent smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/slipped-on-a-banan-house-dr-house-wilson-fall-gif-4233010537565726416

[noble cedar]

Hahahahahah

[noble cedar]

Did you try the medicine drug?

Oh no. I need more vicodin

[brittle gust]

@cunning niche why so evil

[cunning niche]

Its always lupus

[noble cradle]

It's lupus

[noble cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/house-house-md-vicodin-pill-pill-throw-gif-408294433209131495

[brittle gust]

It's never lupis

[prisma flame]

||they removed most of the magic and they only kept stuff that they couldn't remove due to absolute necessity. but ofc, them removing the magic ends up ruining the magic that exists anyway.||

[brittle gust]

Lupus

[prime compass]

Enslave bluds

[balmy epoch]

enslave belemin

[prime compass]

Your bludish blood shows

[hollow garden]

Do not speak back Blud

[noble cedar]

Okay. But what if I just installed bombs in everyone’s brains?

[prime compass]

Who are you

[balmy epoch]

I’m just Persian

[noble cedar]

And then I’d force them to commit atrocities for me

[cunning niche]

I. Have bunny AA that protects my brian

[prime compass]

@hollow garden did you end suzerain mw like this

[hollow garden]

I'm colonel soll

[hollow garden]

Obey me

[prime compass]

Proof

[prisma flame]

one big issue i have is when people claim that game of thrones holds no morality or says nothing about it, but in reality that's not really what the story is about

[hollow garden]

gives proof

[prime compass]

Fabricated bludish propaganda

[noble cedar]

I slipped the bunny a good wad of cash btw

[cunning niche]

GOT is the best show ever

[prisma flame]

it's still shit

[balmy epoch]

family guy :

[prisma flame]

as a show

but yes it is my favorite show along with others

[cunning niche]

I just wish they made a 7th and 8th season

[balmy epoch]

just read the books they seem better

[brittle gust]

Jackie Chan's Animated Adventures TOPS GoT

[prisma flame]

imo game of thrones seasons 1-4 are good

not perfect but good enough

[silent smelt]

buddy, its 18+ i thought

[prisma flame]

after season 4 isn't worth watching imo

[silent smelt]

how did they let you watch it

[cunning niche]

Im a free man

[silent smelt]

how are you not restrained to your parental lock on hbo

[brittle gust]

Free men we are

[cunning niche]

I dont have

[silent smelt]

parents

ok

[brittle gust]

Jack sparrow's a friend of ours

[noble cedar]

You should read 300 million words of fanfiction on the sensual love affair between a rainworm and John Snow

[prisma flame]

they are better and characters are not whitewashed there like they are in the show

[brittle gust]

Guh

[silent smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/rose-apt-rose-blackpink-rose-mak-rose-apt-rose-gif-5948498849163160762

[balmy epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-freeman-walk-city-ruined-gif-11908309215887382474

[silent smelt]

gilbert freeman in the flesh

or rather in the hazard suit

[noble cedar]

Triage At Dawn

[prisma flame]

this is honestly my biggest gripe with the first four seasons

[cunning niche]

It really hurts when you call me/ insinuate that i am a child just based on my voice

[prisma flame]

yeah they're good

they're fun to watch

[balmy epoch]

half life 3 TODAY

[prisma flame]

but they aren't that good just because of how much they whitewash characters

[balmy epoch]

@silent smelt It really hurts when you call me/ insinuate that i am a child just based on my voice

[silent smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-thunder-sadness-sea-gif-11553695369956337318

[noble cedar]

I’m gonna call my buddy Gabe

[cunning niche]

Mf its not callled whitewash

[prisma flame]

why not

[noble cedar]

And tell him to delay for five thousand years

[prisma flame]

it's a term the community uses because it fits the context

[cunning niche]

Its whitewash is when someone makes a black charachter white

[silent smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-mane-roar-gif-12268988

[cunning niche]

Or any ethnic

[prisma flame]

that's not what im referencing

[cunning niche]

Charachter

[prisma flame]

it's meant to be a flip on that typical use

[noble cedar]

Yeah

[prisma flame]

white wash here means morally white wash

it's meant to be like ethnic white washing but with morals

that's the point of the term

[cunning niche]

Yeah but thats what its meaning is when u talk about a show or movie

[prisma flame]

bro

that's the POINT

[balmy epoch]

bookish is whitewashed

[prisma flame]

it's a purposeful flip on the term

words and terms are meant to change and be altered for metaphorical use

[noble cedar]

FIND A BETTER TERM

[cunning niche]

He’ll always be a pakistani

No matter

How hard

He tries

To hide

[balmy epoch]

truth

[cunning niche]

And deny

[noble cedar]

Not if it has a heavily entrenched agreed upon connotation in the industry

[prisma flame]

there's nothing to hide about it really

the reason i say im not pakistani is mostly for pakistanis

because i genuinely don't know anything about their culture

and it's kinda disrespectful for me to claim that I am part of them when I'm probably very ignorant about them

[balmy epoch]

they’re Indians but Muslim

[prisma flame]

connotations always change

[cunning niche]

Ur not claiming anything

[prisma flame]

words always change

[cunning niche]

Ur pakistani by blood

[prisma flame]

i despise this idea that words are objective and must be kept the same

[prisma flame]

what does this mean

my parents are first or second generation immigrants to pakistan

neither of their families even originate there

[noble cedar]

A language develops naturally

[cunning niche]

Immigrating to pakistan of all places

[prisma flame]

and this is a natural development of the term whitewash

[noble cedar]

You do not flip the meaning if a word

[prisma flame]

yes you do

this happens constantly

in fact if it didn't happen then we would be robots

[cunning niche]

💔

[prisma flame]

even talking right now is a product of flipping the meaning of words

[cunning niche]

Where do they originate from

[prisma flame]

the middle east and kashmir

[cunning niche]

The middle east is a huge ass area

[cunning niche]

So pakistani

😭

[prisma flame]

not that place of kashmir that was in pakistan

my guy

[noble cedar]

“Hey mom, you’re a dickwad.”

“What do you-“

“Hey, chillax useless piece of shit, I am fucking the definition of words to change the language“

[prisma flame]

are you purposely ignorant bro

[prisma flame]

yeah because they aren't from one place

my grandfather is from iraq

my grandmother is from jordan

so i just say the middle east vaguely

[cunning niche]

@bleak jolt

[cunning niche]

And ur other set?

[prisma flame]

they're kashmiris

they've always lived kashmir i guess

[balmy epoch]

wrong ramady

[prisma flame]

the problem is that whitewash does have a poetic use here

[cunning niche]

Pakistani, indian, or chinese kashmir

[prisma flame]

it's not just random

the reason the term is used like this is

[noble cedar]

Perhaps it just feels more natural to you, as you are in the fandom. To me—an outside observer—it doesn‘t make much sense. Nonetheless, I was reaching to judge you, which was unfair

[prisma flame]

1. it fits the context of what it's usually used for, just fipped purposely

2. it's meant to be a play on words

"white" in white wash usually means ethnicity

but here it's used for MORALLY white

[noble cedar]

Sorry

[prisma flame]

and morally white / morally grey / morally black are known terms

this doesn't just come from nowhere

[frank latch]

Hello

what's everyone doing?

[silent smelt]

@balmy epoch who could this be?

[balmy epoch]

nekcrop.

[prisma flame]

after one explanation you get the point being made though

i feel like this is just semantical for no reason

[noble cedar]

I apologised

[prisma flame]

borders always change

so im not actually sure

but it obviously wouldnt be pakistani

because first off pakistan is a relatively newer country

[cunning niche]

when where they born

[prisma flame]

and second they had to move there

[prisma flame]

grandparents?

bro they're old asf

well one

the other is dead

80+ something years old

[cunning niche]

RIP

[prisma flame]

not rip

never met them

her*

the grandfather i met but don't remember much about

[cunning niche]

lets say 1946

[noble cedar]

Anyways, goodnight

[prisma flame]

they def moved to pakistan as adults

[cunning niche]

indian

indian

[prisma flame]

indian is a nationality and they haven't been that for decades

and two generations are now not attached to india so that's kinda odd to say

[silent smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPOf_EIZE0E

[prisma flame]

to generalize all of india as the same thing

is absurd

[cunning niche]

They are from “india”

But

[prisma flame]

no shit bro

[cunning niche]

Idk their ethnicity

[prisma flame]

what do you think pakistan was

[hollow garden]

Your parents?

Enta hindi ya banan??

[cunning niche]

His grabdparents

[prisma flame]

they're kashmiri

at least the grandfather idk about the grandmother

[frank latch]

to be fair
Idk my mother's heritage

[hollow garden]

it's ok bowa

[frank latch]

cus
it's very obscure and not many people on that side of the family are still alive

[hollow garden]

What's your father's heritage

[prisma flame]

well i assume the grandmother is also kashmiri

[cunning niche]

I can trace my family’s heritage back to 1900 idk about the rest i think my dad probably has later

[frank latch]

Canada

[hollow garden]

Rip

[hollow garden]

NOOOO

[cunning niche]

Better usa

[prisma flame]

but anyway i do not care about my family

[frank latch]

Die

[prisma flame]

outside of my immediate family, whom i also don't care for, they are strangers to me

[balmy epoch]

I love the Jews honestly

[frank latch]

🙏

[prisma flame]

honey bee redemption arc

[frank latch]

true

[prisma flame]

i also dislike the concept of "bloodlines"

[hollow garden]

You are a good man bee

[prisma flame]

it's an imaginary concept

[cunning niche]

Ur probably ashkenazi btw

[balmy epoch]

it’s because I’m a Zionist now

[hollow garden]

What about the bookish bloodline

[prisma flame]

i don't care about it

[hollow garden]

Real

[balmy epoch]

I have 0 Jewish blood

[prisma flame]

if i have children it wouldn't be for a bloodline bro

[frank latch]

@hollow garden what about you?

[prisma flame]

bloodlines are useless

[frank latch]

your heritage?

[hollow garden]

Well just Egypt

[rose cape]

bookishpick is a crip confirmed..

[hollow garden]

I don't think my family has heritage from anywhere else

Except maybe Palestine

[noble cradle]

Greece:

[cunning niche]

Hes a sianese beduin

[hollow garden]

Perhaps

[balmy epoch]

my family comes from Russia Ukraine and Armenia mostly

[cunning niche]

https://tenor.com/view/prairie-dog-tongue-sticking-tongue-out-sticking-out-tongue-nya-gif-5739499488581936739

[frank latch]

Armenia 🙏

[balmy epoch]

mostly Russia

[cunning niche]

Rusky

[prisma flame]

but yeah heritage should be abandoned as a concept imo

but that's just my opinion obviously

[hollow garden]

I don't think so

[prisma flame]

it doesn't make sense to value

[hollow garden]

It's not important

[balmy epoch]

I’ll go to Russia soon inshallah

[hollow garden]

But it's an interesting thing

[silent smelt]

guys

[prisma flame]

maybe but only because we like to put value on it

[silent smelt]

who wants to come to russia with me?

[prisma flame]

by itself it's pretty meaningless

[hollow garden]

Could you get the citizenship for one of them

[frank latch]

I disagree

however using heritage as justification for wars or conflict needs to stop

[balmy epoch]

I could probably get Russian or Armenian citizenship

[silent smelt]

@balmy epoch i wanted to meet matty in budapest btw

[balmy epoch]

but I won’t

[balmy epoch]

meeting satan in hell

[balmy epoch]

I’d be forced in the military in both

[prisma flame]

using heritage for a justification for anything needs to stop*

[silent smelt]

budapest is literally bigger than all of slovakia i am not even kidding

its lowkey good

[rose cape]

Armenia? America?

[frank latch]

Nah

one should know where one comes from

[prisma flame]

btw that reminds me

[rose cape]

Notice how jarz hates turkish people

[prisma flame]

a little problem i have with lotr is that it idealizes royalty

maybe because tolkein was an unironic monarchist...

[balmy epoch]

issue?

[noble cradle]

America was the first Christian kingdom yes

[silent smelt]

@balmy epoch notice a pattern forming btw

[balmy epoch]

based?

[frank latch]

@balmy epoch Armenia is the GOAT

[balmy epoch]

TRUTH

[prisma flame]

game of thrones is practically the opposite in terms of idealizing royalty

which is intentional ofc

[prisma flame]

why?

other than for genetic disease reasons there's no point in it

[frank latch]

Why not

It doesn't hurt to understand how you and your family came to be

[prisma flame]

sure but they don't need to know it

[frank latch]

and to understand your past

[prisma flame]

they'll live life the same regardless

[frank latch]

but should

[silent smelt]

i like kurdish people

[noble cradle]

I am not of peasant blood

[prisma flame]

i disagree that anyone ought to do anything unless they want to do it

[silent smelt]

infact i like everyone

[frank latch]

true

[silent smelt]

i like all the peoples there are

[frank latch]

okay...

[rose cape]

wow… you like serial killers

[prisma flame]

that includes being moral btw

[rose cape]

ok jarz

[balmy epoch]

even @high vortex?

[prisma flame]

i will never tell someone to just be moral for the sake of being moral

[frank latch]

I still think everyone should know where they come from though

[prisma flame]

i disagree

[frank latch]

this is a little alien...

[high vortex]

What's up

[prisma flame]

i think the world would be a better place if we didn't value where we come from

[frank latch]

RAMADY

RUN

[balmy epoch]

5 Israeli missiles

[prisma flame]

why

[high vortex]

Not good

Bye

[frank latch]

If you don't get it
then I can't explain it to you

[prisma flame]

alien bro

morals aren't valuable on their own

[frank latch]

so
you don't believe you should contribute to others or society?

[prisma flame]

not for the sake of itself nno

but again the keyword is valuable on their own

all im saying is that i dislike kantian ethics

[frank latch]

ain't nothing on their own buddy...

[prisma flame]

some would disagree

and i believe that people tend to think morals are inherent in some way

even if they're generally moral relativists

[rose cape]

nothing is valuable without humans assigning value to it hogling

[visual shard]

dead chat xd

[rose cape]

so saying this means nothing

[frank latch]

true'

[prisma flame]

bro thinks this is an opinion everyone shares

im specifically arguing against people who don't hold this position bro

if you hold it then it's not against you

[frank latch]

well..
yours certainly aren't popular...

[prisma flame]

uh my opinion right now should be what you guys believe in, no?

[frank latch]

no?

[prisma flame]

or is it different in any way?

[visual shard]

subjective

[prisma flame]

so you do think that morals are inherent?

[frank latch]

everything is subjective

[visual shard]

tru

I just got here btw what's the debate

[prisma flame]

mustard on watermelon = good

[rose cape]

your opinion is that you dont believe that morals are valuable on their own

[prisma flame]

everything else = bad

[visual shard]

ok yeah sybau

[frank latch]

Bookish thinks morals shouldn't be required

[rose cape]

you dont assign value to morals

[prisma flame]

yes do you disagree

[rose cape]

on their own

[prisma flame]

when have i said that bro

[visual shard]

alien

[frank latch]

here?

Or have I misunderstood?

[rose cape]

there is no objective value in morals but I believe that morals are valuable on their own

[prisma flame]

"unless they want to do it"

[prisma flame]

ok why

[rose cape]

They allow humans to function in a society

[prisma flame]

true but

here's my problem

that is a good means

but i don't think it's the end

why do people care about functioning in a society?

or anything?

i think the ultimate end is just deterministic desires

[rose cape]

evolution:

[prisma flame]

we want things because of circumstances outside of our control

[visual shard]

lowkey was about to make this point

[frank latch]

and the root of the problem...

[prisma flame]

not even just evolution really

even social conditioning could harbor habits and desires

[rose cape]

no literally just evolution

thats it

[prisma flame]

no we're not entirely just nature

nurture plays a role in it

[rose cape]

it’s still going to be some kind of group

[frank latch]

I disagree

[rose cape]

humans cannot exist in isolation

[prisma flame]

but my point is that regardless of what it is, there is still a desire out of our control

that's the core reason for doing anything

[rose cape]

due to evolution

[prisma flame]

we are not purely rational agents

[prisma flame]

it doesn't matter why

btw

this could literally include just being physically existent itself

i would include everything into it

as being deterministic

[visual shard]

wave probability functions

[frank latch]

this discussion started out as morals...

[prisma flame]

randomness isn't really that great of an argument for free will either

at least not in the traditional sense

[rose cape]

shout out to quantum physics 🗣️

[visual shard]

bookish pick debates

[prisma flame]

a robot could be programmed to act radomly

randomly

[visual shard]

buddy WHAT is this tangent about free will

[prisma flame]

what is bro talking about

that's the whole point

[visual shard]

where'd the morals go

alien

[rose cape]

no??

[prisma flame]

morals and free will are entirely combined in my eyes

[visual shard]

idk i js got here

[prisma flame]

i don't think ethics can exist without choices

[visual shard]

alien

[prisma flame]

in fact

here's the best example i can give of what i mean

the trolley problem

in my opinion, in the trolley problem there are genuinely no ethics

you can flip the lever or not flip the lever and there's nothing i can say about it

[frank latch]

👽

[visual shard]

alien

[frank latch]

this is why I didn't want to start this discussion...

[rose cape]

no one cares what you say about it

[prisma flame]

why do people alien react without asking what i mean bro

[visual shard]

but its your own internal ethics that drive whether or not you flip the lever

[rose cape]

it’s about the choice of the person there

[visual shard]

nobody cares about your opinion here

[prisma flame]

i don't think anyone would really disagree with my reasoning

[frank latch]

because it's entirely unrelated to what the discussion was about in the first place

[prisma flame]

"intrinsic ethtics" what does this mean

[visual shard]

holy truth

[prisma flame]

why should anyone care about someone else's ethics?

[visual shard]

ethtics

[prisma flame]

ethics ethics ethics ethics

ok

[visual shard]

I didnt say they should!

[balmy epoch]

If amazting was the single one on the rail I’d flip

[visual shard]

I said we act based on our internal ethics

[prisma flame]

so why can anyone say something is ethically wrong or not?

where does this originate from?

that's my point here

anyone can have any subjective moral opinion they want

the person flipping the lever could strive for murder

[rose cape]

if 99.999% of people were the single on the rail you would flip hogling

[prisma flame]

and i could not tell them it's morally wrong

but the main reason

is because in trolley problem

[balmy epoch]

nope

[prisma flame]

you're assumed to have omniscience

that's it

[rose cape]

i would

[prisma flame]

like unironically you know there will be no consequences for your actions

you know exactly what your actions will lead to

and imo that makes ethics non-existent in an actual sense

it's just up to someone's personal desires in that case

[balmy epoch]

ngl I’d let an ai decide for me

[prisma flame]

and i couldn't, and no one really could make an ethical statement

[balmy epoch]

I have grok on speed dial

[rose cape]

@grok should he kill the 5 or the 1 person

[rose cape]

@noble cradle

[frank latch]

depends
is Bookish on the track with the 5 people?

[rose cape]

can we rename parader to grok

[prisma flame]

i also don't think moral evil exists at all

[frank latch]

rhymes with grug

[prisma flame]

no one is evil imo and no one deserves punishment

at least not inherently

[frank latch]

can I kill you then?

[balmy epoch]

there are a lot of people I think who deserve execution

[prisma flame]

that would be detrimental to your determined desire of survival

unfortunately

[frank latch]

no...

[prisma flame]

but if you did kill me it wouldn't be objectively evil

[frank latch]

not really

[rose cape]

@grok who deserves execution

[prisma flame]

yes really

you would be arrested

[frank latch]

proof?

[balmy epoch]

he’d say a specific ethno religious grok

[rose cape]

thats not detrimental to his survival

[prisma flame]

why?

[silent smelt]

amazting

[prisma flame]

ok let me add something else

[silent smelt]

has anyone ever told you

[frank latch]

I'd get out

[silent smelt]

how much they do not care?

[prisma flame]

people typically want their survival and welfare and prosperity

being behind bars for life isn't exactly reaching typical human desires

[silent smelt]

?

[rose cape]

nope because everyone cares

[prisma flame]

now maybe someone does desire prison

if they did then there's no point in telling them something is morallyy wrong anyway

[rose cape]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-lion-mentality-stare-anything-that-speaks-small-dog-gif-15965921308779714815

[frank latch]

could be

it's safe

it's secure

I get food

water

don't have to worry about rent

[prisma flame]

you're an outcast

[frank latch]

social relations

[prisma flame]

your freedom is locked away bub

[noble cradle]

He should kill the one person to save the five, following utilitarian ethics. This choice minimizes harm by prioritizing the greater number of lives. The decision depends on his moral framework.

[frank latch]

a job

[frank latch]

freedom doesn't exist

[rose cape]

~bt

[prisma flame]

i dislike utilitarian ethics

[hardy saffron]

@rose cape: To save all lives, even if you stick to your own, you must undo the damage by prioritizing the five options in this program. One depends on your circumstances, lifestyle,

[prisma flame]

in an actual sense? maybe

but i do think it exists relatively

[noble cradle]

You don't like morals or utilitarianism

[prisma flame]

for practical topics

[frank latch]

everything exists relatively

[frank latch]

Based

[balmy epoch]

Cash.

[prisma flame]

relatively to something within our deterministic desires*

[frank latch]

True

[prisma flame]

even if everything we do and want is determined

[rose cape]

trump is eliminating this by 2040

[frank latch]

no

[prisma flame]

we can still be practically free

[silent smelt]

🤓

[frank latch]

just relative to anything

[balmy epoch]

we need to get rid of cards

cash is absolutely peak

[prisma flame]

i meant freedom

is relative

[rose cape]

pole position

[prisma flame]

to that

[frank latch]

something either exists or it doesn't

[prisma flame]

it doesn't actually exist

in a true sense

but again this is really a problem of definitions

the free will vs determinism debate is just to define a word imo

[frank latch]

then I can't want freedom then

so

[prisma flame]

why not

[frank latch]

cus it doesn't exist

as you just said

[prisma flame]

these are just words bro

[prisma flame]

that's my point

[noble cradle]

@qevei

[prisma flame]

freedom in its actual purest definition isn't real

[wraith quarry]

no

[prisma flame]

but that definition isn't objective

[wraith quarry]

but hi pookie bear

[prisma flame]

we can always just redefine freedom to mean something else in a practical way

[balmy epoch]

turtle response

[wraith quarry]

oh shut up nihilist

[prisma flame]

and imo the deterministic definition is kinda a fantasy

[prisma flame]

me when bookishpick is being optimistic and still being called a nihilist

holy shit bro

[wraith quarry]

shush

[prisma flame]

it's actually like you don't read

[rose cape]

~bt

[wraith quarry]

you're being as nihilistic as you can

[prisma flame]

ok how

please enlighten me

[hardy saffron]

@rose cape: The fame, perhaps insignificant but self-justified, Guy still considers the director a creative thinker.

[wraith quarry]

"freedom in its actual purest definition isn't real"

[frank latch]

Fish

[prisma flame]

the one time im not being pessimistic, I'm called nihilistic

[frank latch]

please don't

[prisma flame]

yes go read the context bro

[wraith quarry]

just hush up vro

[prisma flame]

im arguing FOR free will

nto against free will

[wraith quarry]

nobody wants to do another debate with you

[prisma flame]

then why are you replying bro

you're the one who replied to me

no one is forcing you to do this shit bro

[rose cape]

https://tenor.com/view/i-absolve-you-of-your-sins-gif-2852924136091083861

consider yourself enlightened

[prisma flame]

i see the light

it's happening

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-energy-galaxy-gif-17739196

[wraith quarry]

so you would be quiet

[frank latch]

Fish attempting not to be a massive jerk:

[rose cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828805304807718912/1387874568642891966/Chakra.mp4?ex=687d40ea&is=687bef6a&hm=0a42d938bcd7ff0bf73fee67776dc04c126d07ff0afd3faa687a8c10c1eca5c3&

[prisma flame]

but anyway yeah to wrap that up

i think even if free will doesn't exist in the purest sense of the word

it does practically exist

so just compatibilism

[wraith quarry]

true

[rose cape]

@prisma flame when are you ascending with me to D6 chakra

[prisma flame]

astral projection dnd

[rose cape]

I have memories of tara

[noble cradle]

@prisma flame who do you think is the single most evil people in human history besides Genghis Khan and the decafa man

[prisma flame]

karl marx

[noble cradle]

True

[prisma flame]

i dont think there are any evil people

anyway

https://imgur.com/a/jM9lh3x

[frank latch]

as someone who as reached my 6th Chakra

it is very eye opening

[prisma flame]

now btw

people will often class certain people as evil

[silent smelt]

Vote #🎲game-room message

Your vote matters, it is:
priceless 🔴🟠

[prisma flame]

which is understandable

but honestly

i think i actually despise average people more than criminals

[rose cape]

crabzilla ranks

[prisma flame]

we are evil beyond evil

we're evil 2

[visual shard]

sop

[silent smelt]

Vote #🎲game-room message

Your vote matters, it is:
priceless 🔴🟠

[visual shard]

jarz

[visual shard]

secret decafa when

[bold glade]

Now

[visual shard]

tru

[bold glade]

Tiff

[silent smelt]

@wild mason which worldboxian could this be?

[silent smelt]

chad votes in favour of visa ☹️

[wraith quarry]

why are they bowing

do yall do bowing in czechoslovakia

[vital latch]

bookish having a take I agree with

[vital latch]

no we are Beyond Good and Evil 2

[idle slate]

Yo gang

[barren hearth]

sobbing

WHY do I have bookish blocked on this account

[idle slate]

imma soon be hosting a ttrpg or rpg rp similar to dnd but very distinct based on a homebrew setting of mine. Anyone be interested?

It takes place in a dark fantasy setting inspired by the 17th century with other aspects. I can ofc explain more tho given this is a world I built up essentially

[marsh lance]

Go on…

@west path @midnight ocean @wild mason rise my hoggles, lets hear this man out

He may require a playerbase

[marsh lance]

He is a man of many talents

[midnight ocean]

🫠

[idle slate]

This is true

[midnight ocean]

based but why are you on an alt

[marsh lance]

Is this because like average people are complacent in the evil parts of society or whatevs

[midnight ocean]

I wouldnt do that to him

[midnight ocean]

no he just has terrible takes

and got the wrong message after watching breaking bad

[prisma flame]

depends really

[hollow garden]

Because ur evil pata!!

[prisma flame]

i guess the main reason is that criminals are already hated

[marsh lance]

https://tenor.com/view/ponsuke-seal-gyu-tokkari-center-gif-11857631193479901914

[hollow garden]

You SEALed our fate

[prisma flame]

average people are often terrible and aren't hated the same

the main reason i hate average people is due to their hatred for criminals ironically enough

it's so irrational to me

so stupid

[midnight ocean]

as in theyre commiting crimes and just havent been caught or you just dont like them

[hollow garden]

bookshish he who hates his neighbour

Is meanie

[prisma flame]

i dont like them

but let me rephrase that

[marsh lance]

Is it because they haven’t committed a crime ⭐

[prisma flame]

i don't like aspects of them

i wouldn't say i dislike a person as a whole

anyone can change

[midnight ocean]

yappishpick

[marsh lance]

Chang into what though

[prisma flame]

but people are often robots

well im not excluding myself there

[barren hearth]

this is my old account

I recovered it

@hollow garden YOU

[idle slate]

Our main story takes place in Anorvicta effevively a peninsula inspired by the Balkans tho it won't be carbon copy0ish. Its very fragile as it was heavily divided between numerous nation states and outsider powers like Khalidia to the south and Pannonia to the North, there's a Holy city on the peninsula kown as Ragdehm which had parts fall prey to Demonic invasion. Our characters will play most of our campaign on the peninsula acting as apart of a Mercenry company/Adventuring party that formed for a variety of reasons.

It is genuinely 16th and 17th century inspired with inspirations to other periods. So think Muskets, full plate Knights mixing in with a mesh of Arabian inspired Romans and Pagan people's and inspirations of the antiquity era.

[marsh lance]

Every one is terrible really, if we all tried to constantly hold ourselves up to every moral standard in every day

[idle slate]

As its a fantasy setting tho somewhat similar to our own

[prisma flame]

into more rational people

[idle slate]

you can expect similar and different concepts and counterparts

[prisma flame]

now see i dont think morals exist