🎲game-room

[marsh lance]

@frank latch what navy does banam have

[west path]

actually it would help maizan because my number 1 opp dies

[west path]

do a world war against banan please...

[frank latch]

in ways that wouldn't jeopardize their sovereignty or their place on the geopolitical stage (like antagonizing the Dorak Confederation, or the bay alliance)
without taking away Bananam's ability to actually control their own antion.

[wraith quarry]

i would enjoy this

i find stuff like that satisfying

[prime compass]

Arent we already in a World war

[frank latch]

a pretty big navy

[marsh lance]

Wait how is it illegal?

[prime compass]

Oh you host bowistan? Name me all current conflicts

[marsh lance]

Jarvis, do i have one of those

[frank latch]

especially after reunifying with the rebel territories

[marsh lance]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-sped-up-jarvis-gif-19148596

[west path]

because its sovereignty and fealty to maizan would be recognized by you

because it would join your alliance

[prime compass]

Hi pat

[frank latch]

It appears so sir

[west path]

meaning that guardas claim would be rendered illegal

😭

[prime compass]

Ok..

[marsh lance]

How does it joining the alliance mean it swears to maizan

[marsh lance]

In the same minute is crazy

Hi lil bro

[west path]

should i post a screenshot of

[frank latch]

though I'd say Guarda's is larger and more diverse
Simply due to the funding and size of the empire it possesses.

[prime compass]

Arent you 5'4 pat
Hi hru

[west path]

bowingstan dee ems

[marsh lance]

No thats dishonorable

[frank latch]

Me when I haven't gotten any DMs

[marsh lance]

Im okay hbu

[west path]

you told me this like

1 and a half weeks ag

o

[prime compass]

Im gooda!

Soo

@marsh lance any plans for next session?

[prime compass]

Aw

[frank latch]

Idk what you want me to do

ngl

[marsh lance]

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-today-is-a-good-day-prosperity-is-my-birthright-make-ir-happen-monday-gif-26065789

[frank latch]

Vogalia should definitely join the war

[marsh lance]

Which war?

[prime compass]

Is this pat implying he will Fund the rizian rebels?

😱😱😱

[marsh lance]

NO!!

[frank latch]

well there are 2

so

[frank latch]

I need to re-do the Rizian rebellion btw

[prime compass]

The 2nd Walstun Sea War and the Maizan-Serrelkan War?

[prime compass]

Wdym?!

What happen to my beautiful rizia

[frank latch]

Like I have to go back and fix some things

[prime compass]

Ok

As long as rizia wins!

[marsh lance]

Lebron joins bowistan
Invades rizia
Quits
Says its rigged after they rebel after he quit because he never assimilated the new territories 😭

[frank latch]

You know I can't guarantee that...

[prime compass]

"Rail roaded"

[prime compass]

Name your price

Every man has a price

[frank latch]

erm
actually
He did 1 assimilation action which included, "make them part of our culture" ☝️ 🤓

[marsh lance]

Become puppeted to me

And you will win

[marsh lance]

Link message btw

[prime compass]

N-no

[west path]

@marsh lance #🎲game-room message nvm pata it wasnt in dms

[west path]

RAILROADED...

HE SHOULD HAVE LIVED FOR 9000 YEARS

[marsh lance]

But why does he claim it

[prime compass]

Rizian Genocide

[frank latch]

#🎲game-room message

[prime compass]

May the Flame of Rizia burn Eternal!

[frank latch]

#🎲game-room message
I should note this as well tbh

that's all I can find though...

[frank latch]

Idk
ask him

Probably because it's strategic

[prime compass]

Did the aegisian people commit any war crimes in rizia

[marsh lance]

If i smell a hint of malice im leveraging the confederation

[frank latch]

not that I could say....

[frank latch]

~bt

[marsh lance]

If he says he’s only here to trade i will force him to double down on that

[hardy saffron]

@frank latch: I want to see you

[prime compass]

Ok im gonna say they genocide

[frank latch]

[marsh lance]

This counts for MAIZAN too…

[frank latch]

k
meet me out back

[marsh lance]

Wait wrong reply

[prime compass]

👽

[marsh lance]

Romantic AMP

[west path]

he would massacre sharikhist jihadists in the name of celestine btw

[prime compass]

Maizani Abdication when

[frank latch]

I would too ngl

[west path]

https://tenor.com/view/critter-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-bird-peculiar-creature-gif-25199506

[west path]

BoW you're a traitor to maizan

you're getting nuked

[frank latch]

[west path]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-cat-chinese-tole-tole-cat-chinese-tole-cat-china-cat-cat-gif-18130320169200006773

[prime compass]

Am I one?

[marsh lance]

HE WOULD NEVER KILL A SOUL

[frank latch]

I have a question

[prime compass]

Yes!

[frank latch]

How should I do joint occupations?

[marsh lance]

Is this your solution to the outpost

[prime compass]

A lighter shade of the Nation that is occupying it

[frank latch]

Like say there's a coalition against Oil (joke example btw)
and there's 3 different nations invading

but they're mixed/integrated units cooperating together

[west path]

his diet relies on killing things

[frank latch]

how do I draw that...

[prime compass]

Roll on it

[frank latch]

do I mix the colors of the coalitioning nations?

[prime compass]

Then after oil gets defeated the 3 nations handle the borders

[marsh lance]

And he looks damn cute while doing it

[frank latch]

do I use the color of the nation that's spearheading it?

[west path]

does this mean that if he looks cute when he kills sharikhist jihadists

[midnight ocean]

Least horrible mapwars border gore

[west path]

then its ok

to do so

[prime compass]

No take the colour of the Nation with the most troops 💯

[prime compass]

Soon it will be fixed

[frank latch]

do I just have different colors in different areas where the majority of a nation's troops are present

[prime compass]

Yes

[frank latch]

so the spearheading nation

[prime compass]

Yes

For examplea

Adikan and Serrelkan forces invade maizan
If there are more serrelkan than adikan, you colour it like serrelka

And the other way around

[midnight ocean]

Idk the exact situation but I would do a combo where I color every country a shade of the spearheads color but they’re still separate shades based on their original color

[prime compass]

Too much work

[frank latch]

another thing
if say nation A invaded Nation B, and Nation C is Nation B's ally
So after B is invaded, and C invades to liberate Nation B from Nation A through joint forces
Do I have Nation C shown as occupying Nation B, Nation C and B joint forces, or just Nation B pushing back Nation A even though it's Nation C's forces?

that was... unecessarily overcomplicated ngl

[midnight ocean]

Sorry I don’t speak Yappanese

[frank latch]

should read it tbh

instead of just reacting

and then go back to General

where you belong

[prime compass]

@ionic storm stop being so mean vro

!!!

No more döner

[prime compass]

You could make it one colour

[midnight ocean]

Don’t show C as occupying B that would look weird

[prime compass]

Brzykna

[frank latch]

ok

so then how...

yes

I'll visualize the examples

hold on

[midnight ocean]

Just show B regaining land from A with the help of the troops of C

[frank latch]

like this

[midnight ocean]

Yeh

[frank latch]

or this?

[prime compass]

Yes

[midnight ocean]

Unless it’s a special circumstance where B is like completely collapsed with no military then the land should go to B

[midnight ocean]

No that’s looks like B is getting polanded

If B is an independent nation it shouldn’t be colored like that

[frank latch]

or this cursed critter 💀

which are joint forces

[midnight ocean]

No

[west path]

nation C

[midnight ocean]

Yeah just no

[prime compass]

No

[west path]

Jak hoi4 does it

[prime compass]

Border gore

[west path]

oops

accidentally used polish

[frank latch]

ok

[rose cape]

just nation B

[west path]

it should be nation C though

if you are reclaiming nation C land, then nation C should be shown as occupying

[midnight ocean]

They’re reclaiming nation B land

[rose cape]

idiot

[midnight ocean]

True

[west path]

wait i forgo

[midnight ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-bruh-gif-26585205

[west path]

using polish threw off my train of thought

😭

[frank latch]

Let's say Nation C fully liberated B and are continuing to push into A
Should the occupying forces (both B and C troops since B regained their armies) show C for spearheading the invasion?

[west path]

yes

[rose cape]

yes

also

[midnight ocean]

Yeah then it should just be the color of the strongest military presence

[rose cape]

when reclaiming

it should be the annexed color

not the occupying color

[midnight ocean]

👽

[west path]

it makes sense

[rose cape]

why is acnaq aliening me

you know it's true

[midnight ocean]

Idk what your saying exactly

[frank latch]

Be seen as joint like this?

[rose cape]

no

[midnight ocean]

Nah

[rose cape]

just make it the color of the strongest military force

like acnaq said

[midnight ocean]

Yeah

[frank latch]

or be seen like this?

[midnight ocean]

If B has more troops in the south then yeah

[west path]

@midnight ocean in 2088, America will have European style cities

[midnight ocean]

Wishful thinking

[frank latch]

Erm
I'll be president in 2044

so

it'll be sooner than you think

[west path]

not really

[frank latch]

wait

[west path]

European style cities make it easier to access employment

[midnight ocean]

Yea really

[frank latch]

will I even be old enough?

barely

[midnight ocean]

No

[west path]

because public transit is cheaper than car and being able to walk to work is a more pleasant commute than having to drive for half an hour

[frank latch]

I will

I'll be old enough in 43

[midnight ocean]

If Americans cared about how inefficient car infrastructure was we wouldn’t be covered in highways and suburbs

[west path]

im fairly certain car based infrastructure is showing its negatives

cannot cross the road in LA without getting ran over 🙏😭

oh no

[frank latch]

oh that's nice
I'll be 36 when I'm able to run for president
It's nice and divisible by 3

[rapid ibex]

If Americans put efficiency and ethics over profit our world would be hundreds of times better.

[midnight ocean]

America is literally the most car centered it’s been in it’s existence

[west path]

ive been learning too much polish and its mixing in

[midnight ocean]

Right now

[west path]

with my english

i am DOOMED

[midnight ocean]

The biggest issue with capitalism is that money doesn’t always correspond to making consumers happier or better off

Car companies ruined American infrastructure in the long term to sell more cars

[west path]

we need another theodore roosevelt in merica to save it all

[rapid ibex]

There really isn’t a correct way to run an economy in this world

Communism doesn’t work

[midnight ocean]

Teddy my goat

He was so based

[frank latch]

Don't worry guys
I'll fix it when I'm president in '44

[rapid ibex]

Capitalism is greed based

[rapid ibex]

Truly

[west path]

He would make trumps campaign slogan come true

AND give you guys european cities because they are economically better 🤑🤑🤑

[midnight ocean]

Social democracy with a healthy sprinkling of exploiting third world countries:

[west path]

If america did this they wouldnt be the world power

[frank latch]

I hate his campaign to "Make American Great Again"
cus when exactly has American been "great" ?

[west path]

gilded age

[rapid ibex]

Socialism and anything other than capitalism is automatically a threat to capitalist pigs

[frank latch]

his idea of American when growing up were the 1960's 💀

[midnight ocean]

It was pretty goated in the 60s (for white people) ngl

[frank latch]

that was definitely not a "Great Time"

[frank latch]

true

[midnight ocean]

50s and 60s and kinda the 20s

[rapid ibex]

Literally never, he just wants to deepen his buddies pockets

[frank latch]

but that was when the government got...
worse than it was

the vietnam war

our foreign policy was the worst it had ever been

[west path]

well yeah hes a crony capitalist lol

[frank latch]

and the injustice was crazy

[midnight ocean]

The 90s weren’t that bad either though that was kinda when racism started getting bad again with the war on drugs and all that

[marsh lance]

Having a tech ceo as your finance minister is crazy

[frank latch]

btw
I could win the war on drugs

[rapid ibex]

And there are some mildly “idiotic” people who actually voted for him.

[midnight ocean]

Not even a good tech ceo

[marsh lance]

90’s and 80’s might be what he means

[rapid ibex]

We don’t vote for a fucking party

We vote for a person

[west path]

@midnight ocean opinion on the allies selling off eastern europe to the soviets in tehran and yalta

[rapid ibex]

And if Americans vote for a fucking criminal I might as well stay out of there

[midnight ocean]

L + skill issue + there was probably a reason

[marsh lance]

Thats why alaska votes republican all the time

[west path]

you guys started the cold war

[frank latch]

I'd say being able to win the war is a good reason

[marsh lance]

They look at the candidate to see if they comply with alaskan local politics they’ll vote for them

[midnight ocean]

Nuh uh the soviets were bad too

[marsh lance]

Now idk what trumps doing for alaska but theres that

[frank latch]

yeah...
I also think our policy of "containment" was not the way to go for the U.S.

[midnight ocean]

True

[west path]

wasnt it signed off because they didnt want a war after ww2

[marsh lance]

(Aside from expanding oil)

[west path]

Which looking at the death count idk if the soviets

Could have pulled off

[rapid ibex]

“Containment” as in showing the soviets we could probably beat them

[midnight ocean]

Cold War politics were so mind bogglingly stupid but tbf that’s when everyone in the first world was huffing lead so

[rapid ibex]

Soviet death counts have always been insanely high

[rapid ibex]

McCarthyism

Literal hell on earth

[west path]

which means they wouldnt have been able to fight a war after ww2 because they were already hit severely

and once they would be ready so would the allies

so yeah i think they sold

[frosty drum]

E

[midnight ocean]

Nixon apologists when he was one of the leaders of McCarthyism

[frank latch]

Like
if we legitimately helped protect democracy and have the people of their own nations decide what is best for them, communism, socialism, mixed or capitalism.

We would have

1. Prevented the cold war
2. Actually protect democracy
3. If communism is as bad as it's painted to be, then it would not be able to succeed in truly democratic nations.

[frank latch]

"in theory"

but the world ain't perfect

and definitely not the United States

[rapid ibex]

I think McCarthyism is when America started to become a mob rule.

[marsh lance]

Establishing “democracies” in the world until the locals vote for a party we dont want

[midnight ocean]

It’s always been that way in one way or another

[rapid ibex]

Because that’s what the USA is today

[west path]

U guys sold that when u let the soviets run over poland

[frank latch]

truly

[frosty drum]

What are yall talking about

[marsh lance]

How they brushed over poland not regaining independence is absolutely crazy

[west path]

It was part of Tehran and Yalta agreemenr

[rapid ibex]

Well before people could make educated decisions about politicians, now it’s just slandering the opponent until they win

[west path]

they let the USSR puppet them

[marsh lance]

Whats that

[frank latch]

but you don't realize that in no part of the world where we tried to prevent a communist take over was it actually democratic or what the people wanted

South Korea
Vietnam
South America
are all clear examples of it

[marsh lance]

Insane

[west path]

😭😭😭

[midnight ocean]

I think the biggest mistake America made was associating communism as a whole with the USSR, which was understandable since they were intertwined but it led to way too much intervention in places that didn’t need it and led to hurting a lot of nations that probably would have been fine otherwise

[west path]

the ONE PLACE that wanted democracy was given over to the communists

Like

Tragic fumble bruh

[frank latch]

South Korea is the exception only because they democratized in the 1980's

[rapid ibex]

America fails to realize people ever think from a different view point as them

[frank latch]

exactly

[marsh lance]

And now samsung runs their economy

[frank latch]

true lol

[west path]

Gawd bless capitalism

[marsh lance]

I mean literally

They are basically the modern habsburgs

[midnight ocean]

Like Vietnam as a country is doing ok right now imagine how well off they would be if they didn’t have a massive war

[rapid ibex]

Minus the family tree

I think

[marsh lance]

They have clans of nepo babies that they sell off to different corporations for corporate deals

Koreans call them chaebbols

[west path]

I know bruh

[marsh lance]

Like some marriage treaty

[midnight ocean]

Does anyone want to play 270

[rapid ibex]

Man I want to move to Northern Europe… surely it’s better there.

[west path]

Maybe a solid 20% better? U guys mostly destroyed ancient infrastructure and had way more casualties on your side

[west path]

Learn to use sled dogs

important for navigating the tundras

[frank latch]

but for some reason Americans have this association that Communism is inherently evil and anti-democratic

even though if it were implemented through evolutionary tactics the people of the nation would actually support and agree with that structure

[midnight ocean]

We still fucked them up big time a lot of agriculture and villages were bombed

[rapid ibex]

Funny you bring that up I have done that

[west path]

Chinese food exports;

[west path]

Youre set

I recommend norway btw

[rapid ibex]

Communism is actually more democratic than capitalism

[frank latch]

btw
the idea that communism can (or should) only spread through an armed revolution is the worst part of communism

[frank latch]

in theory

in practice...

[marsh lance]

True, but that still applies right

[midnight ocean]

Doesn’t mean burning down crops and cities didn’t hurt them

[west path]

This came about because capitalism is considered a core value of most societies

[frank latch]

it just turns into one party states with an authoritarian regime the dictates the entire nation

[rapid ibex]

Communism has never actually been practiced

It’s just dictatorships

[west path]

Truth

It wouldnt work btw

[rapid ibex]

That want to look more humane and enticing

[west path]

Communism’s final form is anarchy

[rapid ibex]

Nope

[west path]

so the state dismantles itself

[rapid ibex]

Which is also democracy’s final form

[west path]

If we’re speaking marxism thats the case

[marsh lance]

Dictatorships with mildly socialist principles if you brush off the layers of systematic oppression inflicted on the people

[rapid ibex]

Yeah

[west path]

In theory, yeah. But you need institutions to keep votes fair and y’know not rigged, so in practice, no.

[rapid ibex]

But Marxism is the purest version of communism and usually where I draw the term communism from

[frank latch]

I really need to read Karl Marx's manifesto to actually understand his views and economic theories
As well as Lenin's and Mao's.
So I can understand communism and it's implementations around the world so I can create my own opinion and thoughts about it.

yk?

[west path]

commie

[frank latch]

Capitalist Pig

[west path]

I likey switzerlands democracy its close to a pure form of democracy

[frank latch]

how do they do things?

[rapid ibex]

Democracy turns to communism through making even more equal rights and society, and communism either succeeds or falls into anarchy.

[west path]

im the one who lives in the former communist state

its not based

[west path]

Democracy is meant to represent everyone

Which would include corporations

Which makes it at odds with itself

[rapid ibex]

Corporations are not people

[west path]

You cant practice pure democracy unless the state was fully created around it

[west path]

They’re run by them

[rapid ibex]

Exactly

[rapid ibex]

True

[silent smelt]

junak

[west path]

If you can’t represent everyone then are you truly a pure democracy?

[frank latch]

~bt

[hardy saffron]

@frank latch: On je ponosan

[rose cape]

.fm

[frank latch]

Guh!?

why did we go French!?

[west path]

I think they can just directly vote on issues

and appoint their government by directly voting for them

[rapid ibex]

Nope.

[west path]

As individuals

[west path]

so that means that pure democracy cannot be achieved

unless it was built without groups like that existing

Which would be incredibly hard to make

[rose cape]

there are only two endpoints on the political spectrum

anarchy or feudalism

[west path]

feudalism is anarchy

[rapid ibex]

Yes.

[west path]

its anarchical

[rapid ibex]

There is a fine line.

[west path]

we should all go back to medieval europe

LATE medieval

Early renaissance actually

[frank latch]

Feudalism 🗿

[west path]

You guys can live in feudal monarchies ill live in the established systems of the PLC

[marsh lance]

“Government is a necessary evil, but tyranny is unacceptable”

• some british professor sounding guy idk

[west path]

😍😍😍😍

[rapid ibex]

I’d like to go back to early America

[west path]

poland lithuania was an oddity in europe

[marsh lance]

Look how they massacred my boy

[marsh lance]

Infection:

[rapid ibex]

I’ll sit comfortably in the tribal civilizations of my ancestors, or in the PLC with my other ancestors.

[west path]

uhhhhh

[rapid ibex]

I’d rather die to disease in relative freedom than die for someone else’s dream while crushing my own.

[west path]

idk vro…

[rapid ibex]

I only have polish and native ancestry

Like

[west path]

poland had quite a democratic system

[marsh lance]

Watered down polish 😔 qevie will kill you for this

[frank latch]

im totally not fish on bows computer

also

bow smells

[rapid ibex]

My mom is 100% Native American and my dad 100% Polish

[marsh lance]

Bowistan leaks?

[midnight ocean]

Goofy ahh combination

[west path]

We had a sejm which held all of the noble families, with one representative for each

And the king called them to discuss matters of state

[frank latch]

he's giving Adika all of Bryzkna

[west path]

After which they could make their own suggestions

[marsh lance]

VOGALIA??)

[west path]

And voted on said issues

[marsh lance]

VOGALIA REAL??

[rapid ibex]

It gives a unique hair and eye color

[midnight ocean]

This makes me want to play crusader kings

[west path]

it was a very well established semi-constitutional monarchy governed by law rather than divine right

[frank latch]

what did Fish say

[west path]

and it was a pretty insane system

[frank latch]

I see

[rapid ibex]

I actually have multicolored eyes

[wraith quarry]

nothing

[west path]

Also they guaranteed the rights of minorities

[west path]

Ethnic and religious

[rapid ibex]

Interestingly enough

[midnight ocean]

Me cosmic and hijacked have a fire ck game going

[west path]

most tolerant nation in Europe at the time

[marsh lance]

Okay… Vogalia MIGHT be a more absolutist version of the PLC

[frank latch]

should we ban Parader from game room?

[noble cradle]

2 or 3

[west path]

who?

[rapid ibex]

Perhaps

[west path]

I only know Ted Cruz

[noble cradle]

Who?

[west path]

https://tenor.com/view/critter-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-bird-peculiar-creature-gif-25199506

[noble cradle]

Who

[west path]

Keep my boy in here

He helped embezzle funds from team 1 in umw2

[frank latch]

you btw

[west path]

We „offshored them”

So he couldnt be extorted

[noble cradle]

I'm ted cruz

[marsh lance]

@frank latch would you say a semi-constitutional monarchy could work in Vogalia

[frank latch]

right

[frank latch]

yea

[marsh lance]

I mean right now im VERY close to that kind of government

[west path]

noperonis

[west path]

too little minorities

[west path]

you span primarily your native culture

And arent a union of countries

OH RIGHT

[noble cradle]

That'd be racist

[west path]

THE PLC WAS ALSO A FEDERATION

😭😭😭

[frank latch]

I'm fine with being racist

[midnight ocean]

3

[noble cradle]

Based?

[midnight ocean]

What

[marsh lance]

The monarch still holds absolute power, but we have halls of elected representatives that present issues to the state

[frank latch]

that's in context

[noble cradle]

Let me join so I can play as an African nation

[west path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140839348711997550/1273044767705399317/attachment.gif

[marsh lance]

It’d still be my greater policy overall

[rapid ibex]

-the rat of Manneva

[midnight ocean]

It’s a heritage game we’re playing our ancestors

[marsh lance]

All minorities will recieve the goali treatment if equality in Vogalia

[noble cradle]

Oh then I'd be English

Probably

[west path]

i brought an ethnic minority into the Rore

I was the diversity hire

[rapid ibex]

That is literally what fucked up my nation in the end

[frank latch]

Uratti:

[midnight ocean]

Yeah that would be rough then because hijacked is Irish and potato’s Norse and trying to conquer England

[west path]

also this gif was made because fish was being an apologist to rats and completely omitting the fact that they were pests

[marsh lance]

@west path when are you letting Vogalian setters expand your borders for you btw

[noble cradle]

Nah I'd win

[west path]

Should have followed the divine gospel of trump

[rapid ibex]

I had like five ethnicities in the Rore from my many conquests

[marsh lance]

I will introduce you to manifest destiny trust me bro it works wonders for you

[midnight ocean]

@vital latch opinion?

[west path]

built a wall to keep them out

[marsh lance]

This is what the average demagogue supporter will think

[noble cradle]

Cnl I haven't played ck3 in months and got my ass HANDED to me in my last match I played

But I'd win

Trust

[west path]

When guarda isnt blockading me

[midnight ocean]

Match? You play ck competitively? 🤢

[rapid ibex]

None of my ethnicities had enough power to be a majority

[noble cradle]

What no

Campaign

[west path]

tsk tsk

[noble cradle]

270 vrainrot

[west path]

should have done the german thing

[midnight ocean]

Oh good

[west path]

And become a federal republic

[marsh lance]

WHICH GERMAN THING

[midnight ocean]

We should play

[marsh lance]

oh

Okay

Phew

Holy shit qevie

[noble cradle]

270 or ck3

[frank latch]

btw
if Ilkella actually continued as a map war
I was going to be heavily racist towards the lizards

[midnight ocean]

270

[rapid ibex]

[noble cradle]

Sure

[marsh lance]

EVIL

[west path]

im not ww2 pilled i actually know what all 3 reichs were

[midnight ocean]

Anyone else want to join? @sullen pawn @wild mason

[rapid ibex]

That would have gotten the attention of the whole world

[frank latch]

they would have had no rights in my nation
would have been used for labor and treated primarily has labor capital (property)

[west path]

becoming a federal republic???

😭

[frank latch]

and if they ever caused issues I would have "limited their population"

[midnight ocean]

Man what happened to Blumi they’ve been dead last couple of days

[noble cradle]

@west path when are you 270ing

[rapid ibex]

That would also have ended poorly

[west path]

2088

[west path]

how

[noble cradle]

They've been slowly.consumed by rats

[west path]

German federal system was very efficient

[midnight ocean]

That’s something they would do

[west path]

What being a rat apologist does to an individual

[rapid ibex]

Everyone tried to use political influences, remember?

[west path]

okay hold on

[marsh lance]

There was only one german reich and that was Baden

[west path]

What if you scapegoated it on the decafians

[marsh lance]

!!!

/j /j

[west path]

Solution: blame it all on decafians

[rapid ibex]

Like that one time we tried to turn Oil into a nationalist fascist nation?

[west path]

No conflict when you have a common enemy

[midnight ocean]

Hey, I just created a game of 270 for us. Game code: STORMY-QUOTE7
https://www.political-games.com?game=stormy-quote7

[west path]

Yeah ion remember that

[rapid ibex]

That’s nonogermanism

[west path]

My mind suppressed my memories of manneva because of how shit i was at mws back then

And how overconfident i was too

[midnight ocean]

@noble cradle

[rapid ibex]

It was both irritating and amusing to have you as an ally back then.

[west path]

it was fun though

i did stupid shit

Stupid shit bit me

[rapid ibex]

We all did

[west path]

and it was a back and forth

Truly peak

would play again

[marsh lance]

Btw chat im gonna be making magical technology in my new mw

[noble cradle]

ok

[west path]

🙌

[marsh lance]

Magical rocks charged by the moon

[prime compass]

Yay

[west path]

Celestine?

[marsh lance]

🤫

[west path]

This time i would be a city state that oppressed everyone that was an immigrant

[marsh lance]

The boomer vogalians believed she was a magical woman charged by the moon

[rapid ibex]

We need someone to make a mw like https://discord.com/channels/522561390330904585/1221674816965447790

Other than cosmic

I don’t like cosmic

He closed the map wars for some fucking role play

[marsh lance]

I know you think the priesthood was stupid but they deadass thought celestine was Elys incarnate because she had a mutation that gave her white hair

[west path]

How much thamior lore did i miss

[west path]

rpgs are his whole shtick

[rapid ibex]

He ended one of my favorite mw series over rpgs

[rapid ibex]

That’s why I don’t like him

[west path]

😭

[rapid ibex]

Because he used to also be a cool mw guy

That’s how I became friends with Peter

[marsh lance]

They said sarventine was bowistan copy, so this is where I separate myself

[west path]

stretching yourself thin like that will give you burnout quickly

[marsh lance]

Im done leeching 🐭

[sullen pawn]

I would enslave all rpgians if I could

[west path]

trust me i know

[rapid ibex]

I mean he originally was just mw

[marsh lance]

Classic garlic take

[sullen pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

Is that you

[west path]

since december 2023 ive always known him as the game forum rpg guy

👽

[west path]

i didnt fight in ww1

so no

[rapid ibex]

The first one came out a bit before that

[sullen pawn]

more so the 1000 yard stare

[rapid ibex]

Maybe a month or two

[west path]

uhh

[noble cradle]

@midnight ocean ok so this might have to be a quick one because im a little pressed for time rn

[west path]

no my projects just went into indefinite delay

They never came back

[frank latch]

that's ww2

[sullen pawn]

“Trust me….

I know.”

ahh

[rapid ibex]

I’m pretty sure it’s nam

[west path]

japa kurwa

[rapid ibex]

Anti war propaganda

[prime compass]

What colour is your math folder

[frank latch]

you might be right

all I know is that it isn't ww1

[west path]

dont have one

[frank latch]

~bt

[hardy saffron]

@frank latch: rega kurwa

[frank latch]

what does this mean

[prime compass]

Which colour would you use

[rapid ibex]

I mean look at the background

[midnight ocean]

Guh…

[rapid ibex]

Clearly not Western Europe

[west path]

japa is a rude way to tell someone to shut up

kurwa is kurwa

[frank latch]

the U.S. fought in the pacific and south east asia...

[noble cradle]

i have about 20m before i need to go

[frank latch]

with fairly similar climates

could be one of those islands

[west path]

Its actually the exotic land of eastern europe

[midnight ocean]

Well

I’ll try to be dad

[rapid ibex]

Also, WW2 was seen as generally a justified fight, which would not have attracted such artwork.

[midnight ocean]

Fast

[rapid ibex]

The soldiers would be wearing gray or white + Americans didn’t fight there

[frank latch]

fair

[west path]

shh

[balmy epoch]

@west path as salamu alaykum

[rapid ibex]

And ww2 was not as well known for causing ptsd compared to Vietnam

[frank latch]

not to say that there wasn't any

[west path]

PKWD nigdy nie zginęło

[rapid ibex]

But ptsd was a staple of Vietnam

[frank latch]

true

Btw
when are you going to own the entire island?

[rapid ibex]

It’s why my grandfather died

[balmy epoch]

tf is the PKWD

[rapid ibex]

Whenever I break my logical alliance with Qwas

[frank latch]

this is peak

[frank latch]

You don't have an alliance with Qwas

[rapid ibex]

Supposedly we signed an alliance last time I played

[sullen pawn]

Let’s do a 270

[west path]

polish underground government that advocated for a independent polish state before soviets turned it into the commie puppet government

[frank latch]

odd

I don't remember that

can you confirm it?

[west path]

NOT the polish government in exile to clarify

[rapid ibex]

^

Shrimple as that

[west path]

Gdzie mogę kupić tego pasata?

[noble cradle]

Serbskie silniki

[west path]

thank you

god bless

[frank latch]

huh

I never saw that

but alright

on the bright side you can expand to the rest of the island unchecked

[rapid ibex]

Most sensible alliance ever frfr

[rapid ibex]

True

[rapid ibex]

Ok but first time I saw this I thought I was Greece

[frank latch]

real

[rapid ibex]

Who is the red nation next to me?

[frank latch]

Puffin

[rapid ibex]

Idk who that is ngl

[west path]

my immune system must be doing some type of magic because theres no way i havent gotten an infected wound yet

[frank latch]

the pinkish magenta nation is an NPC

and the brown one is Death

[west path]

i literally got an open wound from a branch covered in mud on my foot and walked through that same mud with that open wound then just casually washed it off

zero infection at that

[frank latch]

it's almost as if modern medicine has vastly improved the rates of infection

[rapid ibex]

Do I own that tiny island?

[frank latch]

that's Fakher unfortunately

[rapid ibex]

Easy kills

[west path]

i dont use medicine on any of my open wounds

[frank latch]

I wouldn't be so sure

[frank latch]

do you clean them?

[west path]

maybe a few times but only when my mother spots them

[frank latch]

do you have a healthy immune system?

[rapid ibex]

Not for long probably knowing how he acts

[west path]

i dont give them a dedicated time to clean

They get cleaned in the shower

[west path]

this

[noble cradle]

science believers when I call up big pharma to spike their tylenol with opioids (Checkmate atheotards):

[frank latch]

medicine isn't entirely defined by how many drugs or ointments you use

it's your pratices and health

[west path]

If a sprinkle of hard water aint curing ya then i dont know what will

[frank latch]

which are helped with having a balanced and healthy diet
cleaning your wounds or just being clean

[west path]

can you say that last bit

[frank latch]

not coming into contact with many dirty surfaces

[west path]

i walk barefoot in my house

[frank latch]

everyone does

[west path]

and occassionally in mud

[rapid ibex]

We may have plague survivor genetics

[west path]

deadass

i cannot get sick from anything EXCEPT the common cold

i thought i got sick from something that give me bumps on my nose for like a week except nobody else remembers it so i think it was deadass a dream

[fallen cipher]

Guys

I need actual suggestions

[frank latch]

Almost said something bannable

[fallen cipher]

So I wanna make a mod for this ore

[noble cradle]

true

probably not

[west path]

also basicalll nobody has infections as an issue they have to worry about in my family

[rapid ibex]

My eyes are easily infected, but I’m pretty much immune to anything else.

[fallen cipher]

And the grey part is supposed to be tuff

[frank latch]

Uranium

[fallen cipher]

And the green part is the ore

[west path]

skull

[west path]

uranium fever

uranium is grey but shh

[fallen cipher]

Which you can use to make crop land

[frank latch]

arguably more
"silver"

[rapid ibex]

Get to the point

[frank latch]

than gray

[fallen cipher]

Grow faster

[west path]

why do your eyes get easily infected

and how

[frank latch]

BRITISH ENGLISH

BURN IT

[fallen cipher]

Okay so it's basically bone meal but it's way better because you only need 1 of this ore

[west path]

its pronounced grey buddy

[fallen cipher]

Instead of multiple like bone meal

[west path]

dont blame me

[frank latch]

erm no?

[fallen cipher]

Which makes this ore better for farming

[frank latch]

Gr-ay

ay

A

🤯

[west path]

gr-ey

[rapid ibex]

I don’t know, but I get pink eye in both viral and bacterial infection really easily

[west path]

repeat those 2 pronunciations to you and which sounds more correct

[frank latch]

I blame english for being inconsistent

[fallen cipher]

The crop land will make things grow PERMANENTLY faster

[frank latch]

they both sound the exact same bud

[west path]

Cooked

[fallen cipher]

So

[west path]

exactly

[fallen cipher]

What do you guys think

[west path]

so you can use both gray and grey

[fallen cipher]

Do you have any actual suggestions??

[frank latch]

but grey is British

therefore it must not be used

[rapid ibex]

Fellow Canadian?

Ay?

[frank latch]

I have Canadian blood

not in me obivously
just a few bags of blood from Canada sitting in the fridge

[west path]

hes been floridian for like 2 generations and then canadian for 5 generations before that

[rapid ibex]

My family is new to Canada

We haven’t gotten any yet

[west path]

So kind of you

[noble cradle]

@midnight ocean gtg feed animals and yard work

Cya

[west path]

buddy tends to the pastures

what being arkansan does to a mf

[midnight ocean]

Aight I kinda have to go too so

[west path]

i should redownload 270

[rapid ibex]

My family has been Wisconsinite for like forever except for my dads side that moved in from Poland in the 1800s

My tribe is in Wisconsin

[marsh lance]

Dont you live rural

[frank latch]

when Thamior and Qevie are potentially related

[west path]

i dont tend to the pastures

[west path]

hes probably not kashubian

[frank latch]

🤫

[west path]

my family is silesian/kashubian both of which are minorities in poland

silesian on mothers side kashubian on fathers side

[rapid ibex]

I know next to nothing of my Polish roots

[marsh lance]

@west path is he too many generations away to be polandish

[west path]

Crazy

[frank latch]

I know nothing about my European heritage from France and Germany on my mom's side

so

[west path]

no he moved in during the partitions

hes safe

[prisma flame]

Fun fact: The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, roman, or an empire

[frank latch]

Fun Fact: This is a common misconception and meme

[marsh lance]

This was said by the same guy who said christianity would fade by the 20th century

[prisma flame]

I wish he was right

[frank latch]

I give it 4 more years tbh

[west path]

1. It was. Approved by the pope.
2. It also was, since the pope was stationed in Rome, and crowned all holy roman emperors.
3. It was, since it spanned pretty much the entirety of the area that the german peoples covered.

[rapid ibex]

There’s a reason it’s known as the first Reich

[west path]

LITERALLY

[marsh lance]

Say what you will about religion but this is just disrespectful cuh

[frank latch]

the 2nd one is my favorite

[prisma flame]

I wouldn't say that being approved by the pope means it's holy, also it wasn't roman as being roman wasn't dependent on the pope saying so

[west path]

oh my god people forget that the holy roman empire was the first reich

[prisma flame]

I guess the empire part is eh

[west path]

Buddy?????

[rapid ibex]

Honestly same

[prisma flame]

But still

The HRE was mid

[marsh lance]

No he’s right here, the pope kinda wack

[prisma flame]

Napoleon's best accomplishment was destroying it

I mean

[marsh lance]

Also true

Napoleon freed baden…

[rapid ibex]

I mean I’d argue it was building nationalism

[marsh lance]

From the CLUTCHES

of austria

[prisma flame]

Spreading the ideals of the french revolution is his actual best accomplishment

WAIT NO

[frank latch]

arguably his worse accomplishments were the fumbles of Russia, Egypt and reinstating slavery in it's empire.

[prisma flame]

We're forgetting

Louisiana purchase

Yeahhh

[rapid ibex]

Which included nationalism

[west path]

1. It was 👽 the pope was the seat of christianity which dominated Europe and is where the 'holy' came from
2. It also was roman, since the papacy was created by the romans and was the legacy of rome; thus any realm approved by the pope was considered 'roman'.
3. It is concretely an empire because it held the title of empire with credible legitimacy in the medieval times, it was recognized as such, it held enough land to be considered as such and it utilized many customs reminiscent of empires

[prisma flame]

All the middle states in america were bought by napoleon right

Thats more important than anything else

[west path]

i am aware you are muslim and don't understand the first point

hence why i am clarifying

[prisma flame]

Im not muslim im a very staunch atheist

But i get your point

[prisma flame]

The second point is weird because the roman empire still existed

[west path]

not saying it is, just saying that the holy roman empire did indeed live up to the name

[west path]

Byzantium was not considered roman anymore by much of the catholic world, which dominated Europe

and it also had a different head of faith

[frank latch]

but it will go down in history as that one state in europe that was made up of like 1000 different counties

[west path]

albeit they were approved of by the pope, the claim that they were 'Roman' was not being upheld by the papacy.

[prisma flame]

Is the catholic world really what determines what being roman is?

The pope is a sham in general

[west path]

more or less

[prisma flame]

That's lame

[west path]

the fact that you guys undermine the pope so much is crazy

[marsh lance]

In the middle ages and napoleonic era yeah

[west path]

buddy im a believer in christianity and i believe in the pope

the fucking pope helped the polish nation throughout ww2, he helped save lives

he is actively making the world better 😱

it is a matter of national pride for us to have had popes that come from our country, and it should be the same for all other countries

[prisma flame]

That's cool ig

[marsh lance]

Where did the pope com from anyway, like the title and position

[west path]

not really

in the napoleonic era that wasn't the case

it was more so the legacy of the holy roman empire

that upheld its title

[prisma flame]

Yeah but im still upholding that the hre wasnt roman

[marsh lance]

Ohh

[west path]

you are going against commonly agreed upon fact

those are fish strats

[west path]

@wraith quarry hes leeching, kill him

[marsh lance]

So basically the pope is the head bishop of the vatican and thats what makes him the pope?

[prisma flame]

The catholic world doesn't decide what was roman and i was under the assumption that the byzantines were the continuation of the Roman Empire

[west path]

the bishop of rome was appointed differently from other bishops

the curio of cardinals appoints him, which consists of the most experienced christian scholars

Those elect one from among them

[prisma flame]

Actually

[west path]

and that person becomes the bishop of rome and the pope

[rose cape]

no way

[prisma flame]

Didn't the byzantines refer to themselves as romans

[rose cape]

the pope doesnt exist

[west path]

yes

[marsh lance]

So was being the bishop of rome really important or smth why would they need all the big bishops to elecy that

[rose cape]

what is your proof that there is a pope?

[west path]

but i've already explained how the catholic world didn't see them as such

[west path]

poland had one

[prisma flame]

But it doesn't matter if the catholic world did

[rose cape]

i dont believe in the pope

[prisma flame]

I consider the byzantines the real continuation of the roman empire

[rose cape]

he doesnt exist

[frank latch]

I don't believe in Rome

[west path]

this is the current pope

[frank latch]

you and I are different

[west path]

we live laugh love the pope

[prisma flame]

Not that it matters since they're both dead

[rose cape]

nope

[prisma flame]

When is the ottoman empire being reformed

[rose cape]

it's a lie

a conspiracy

made by the catholics

to make us believe the pope exists

ive never seen him

[west path]

then would you consider the ottomans as their successor because they seized the city of constantinople? or would you claim russia as the third rome due to them taking up the mantle of the guardians of orthodoxy

[frank latch]

After Turkey invades Greece and Bulgaria

[rose cape]

i went to the vatican and i didnt see the pope

[west path]

@vagrant ginkgo did you hide yourself away from him

[prisma flame]

Ottomans conquering byzantine wouldn't make them roman as it wasn't the roman governance

[vagrant ginkgo]

sorry i was in the bathroom

[prisma flame]

Russia had no real claim to say that

They didn't even own any roman territory

[frank latch]

erm
the pope doesn't need to use the bathroom?

[prisma flame]

But the byzantines WERE the continuation

[west path]

if territory and faith is what makes something roman

then the pope would be considered roman

[frank latch]

what were you actually doing?

[vagrant ginkgo]

wait shit youre right

i forgot

[frank latch]

bro forgot?

[marsh lance]

Then the USSR is the successor

[prisma flame]

But the Byzantines didn't have any reason to not be roman

[west path]

@vagrant ginkgo bookish is saying the holy roman empire wasn't roman... is this true?

[frank latch]

"Umm, you're supposed to be dead"
"Oh yeah, I forgot"

[west path]

They were greeks

[vagrant ginkgo]

they were very roman btw i confirmed this in like 988 or something

[west path]

@prisma flame point disproven buddy

[prisma flame]

They referred to themselves as roman and by continuation they wouldn't not be roman

[west path]

confirmed by the pope

[frank latch]

wdym
they were Roman?

[prisma flame]

😡

Its time to kill @vagrant ginkgo

[west path]

NO

WAIT

wait

hes already dead dumbass

you cant kill a dead man

[frank latch]

They considered themselves to be Roman after the fall of West Romany

[prisma flame]

Russians are actually lame for calling their kings tzars

[frank latch]

we just call them Byzantine after a former empire

[prisma flame]

Shouldve called them the kings of winter

[marsh lance]

Lame ass name

Tzars is miles better

[prisma flame]

Game of thrones is not lame

😡

The north remembers

[marsh lance]

I didnt know it was about GOT but it still sounds kinda corny

[prisma flame]

I mean isn't than palace called the winter palace

[frank latch]

see I'd argue against this...
if it weren't true

[west path]

house stark after i FUCKING NUKE THEM:

also i didnt read GOT don't quote me on this

[prisma flame]

House targaryen after they somehow still have white hair and purple eyes

Brw

[west path]

i have the pdf for it on my computer though

[prisma flame]

Wouldn't that be logistically impossible?

[west path]

logically or logistically

[frank latch]

?

[prisma flame]

Well think of it this way

[west path]

if youre referring to logistics then they were actually all robots

if youre referring to logic then no

[prisma flame]

Wait

So

[frank latch]

either that or they decided to keep the bloodline "pure"

so..

[west path]

but i think it has to do with some ancient magic blah blah blah idk i didnt read

[west path]

Habsburgs of GOT

[prisma flame]

Did all people from valyria have white hair and purple eyes

[west path]

how'd they manage that for like

1000 something years

[prisma flame]

Because GRRM didn't want to write consequences

Idk he never did

[frank latch]

but this is also the same universe that has dragons and magic

so

I don't think it really matters

[frank latch]

and zombies

[west path]

does this mean that in the modern era, a nonogerman regime idolizing valyrians would rise up in westeros

[marsh lance]

Were talking about fantasy lore its time to drop my magical moon rocks

[prisma flame]

The valyrians had like bunches of dragons so they were completely powerful

Which is weird

Whu wouldn't they conquer the world

[west path]

how does that even work

[prisma flame]

If they're so greedy

[west path]

does their blood make it easier to tame dragons or some shit

[prisma flame]

They had like so many dragons and the targaryens were only a lesser dragon riding house

[west path]

@frank latch should i redownload 270

[frank latch]

,roll yes, no

[haughty inlet]

builderofworldz

:game_die: yes

[prisma flame]

No they were just gatekeeping dragons but unknown because targaryens do have future sight

[frank latch]

I thought they had a genetic connection to the dragons

or something

[frank latch]

(DO NOT ASK HOW)

[prisma flame]

No im pretty sure anyone can ride drafons

[west path]

what the fuck

[prisma flame]

Dragons

[west path]

GOT is schizo

[frank latch]

well anyone can ride dragons

[prisma flame]

But they gatekeep them

[west path]

i think so... atleast the GOT mod for crusader kings says so

[frank latch]

but not everyone can have the same connection to them that they do

(Idk anything about GoT)

[west path]

bow do you want the entire pdf for GOT

[frank latch]

nope

[prisma flame]

Ok so the lore behind GOT is that all of valyria suddenly died in an unexplained apocalypse but before that the Targaryens had future sight of it and escaped

[frank latch]

my sister's made enough family trees for GoT

[frank latch]

there's a lot of circles

[prisma flame]

Then aegon had a vision of the entire story

So he like conquered westeros

[west path]

buddy

the series you should read

[frank latch]

I don't really care to

[prisma flame]

There's actually one schizo moment where daenerys hatches 3 dragons after not dying in burning fire and the explanation is that it was a random magical occurrence (not a joke)

[frank latch]

I have something against fantasy settings ngl

[west path]

uhh

goofy ahh map

[prisma flame]

The show tried to backpeddle and say that Targaryens were immune to fire but this was a lie and it just became a big plothole and retcon

[frank latch]

I'm okay with having different races, speciation, biodiversity and maybe even different physics

[west path]

wait...

the show?

not the books?

[frank latch]

but I don't like magic

[prisma flame]

Targaryens arent immune to fire in the books at all

[west path]

dont play my mws then..

magic is silly