⌨coders-cave

[orchid frigate]

To use the website you gotta know perfect opengl or vulkan your choice

[barren shale]

pages are dynamic

[hasty bane]

true

[barren shale]

they load bit by bit

[hasty bane]

oh right

[barren shale]

instead of waiting for the whole page to lod

[hasty bane]

Yeah server sided kinda makes sense

[barren shale]

but then you need a server to host it

which costs money

[hasty bane]

dont you have to host the site either way

[barren shale]

yes

but if its compiled into html and javascript

you can host it for free

on a lot of platforms

like firebase

if its not compiled into html and javascript which is the case when you introduce server sided rendering

you have to host it to a VPS

[hasty bane]

hmm

[barren shale]

or any type of server

which costs money

[hasty bane]

not surprised

kinda cool that you can host html and js for free on some platforms tho

[barren shale]

i first tried to use next.js which is built on top of react

its super fast

and it has a lot of cool stuff

but most of the cool stuff are server sided

and its react so shit is confusing af

but svelte is just too beautiful

it all makes sense

[hasty bane]

i like things that make sense

but i dont like js

that's 1 - 1 = 0
im neutral towards svelte

[barren shale]

i dont use javascript

i use typescript

its basically C#

with a different syntax

[hasty bane]

thats kinda weird

[barren shale]

types by default are not dynamic like it is in javascript

typescript is like javascript but its more secure

[hasty bane]

smh just use rust lmao

[barren shale]

rust for web apps

nah

even tho you can

[hasty bane]

i tried it

and

lemme tell you

if you can do it you are pretty good at rust

i couldnt

[barren shale]

i dont even wanna try

sounds like something haydot would do

[hasty bane]

haydot inspired me to do it

and

tbf

it was okay

until i started making more and more stuff and

shit gets complicated fast

[barren shale]

its like react.js

you have to make everything yourself or download packages

and shit get complicated really quick

[hasty bane]

kek

one thing i dont like abt web dev is

working with frameworks

you get like 200mb of code files

and the entire thing is just weird

and you dont really know how it works

and ew

[barren shale]

you dont need to know how to works

you just need to know how to use it

[hasty bane]

well, you see

im the kind of person who wants to know how something works

[barren shale]

node.js took thousands of people years to make

[hasty bane]

which is an actual problem like i legit spend too much time reading about stuff instead of writing code

[barren shale]

why would you expect to understand how something this huge works

[hasty bane]

well i dont need to know everything about uit

it*

that's impossible

you cant know everything about an OS or anything big really

but i just gravitate towards making things from the ground up

even if it means more work

[barren shale]

that's how you go wrong in programming

i used to be like you

never finished anything

look at haydot

he is like that

[hasty bane]

why did you never finish anything

[barren shale]

have you ever seen haydot finish anything

[barren shale]

too hard and takes too long

to make things from the ground up

[hasty bane]

i've never had an issue with things being too hard
except rust but i dived into rust web without really knowing the core that well

too long

Maybe

[barren shale]

ive been programming for 6 years now

still dont think its worth it for me to do things from the ground up

[hasty bane]

well

mm

there's kind of like

different levels of from the ground up i could say

makes no sense but

let's say i have feature X that is dependent on feature Y which is dependent on features Z and A which are dependent on B and C and G and F

if i want to learn feature x

i'm not gonna go all the way to b c g f

there's no need for that

[barren shale]

you dont have to go all the way back

[hasty bane]

i'd read about Y and maybe Z A

[barren shale]

if you want to understand how feature X works then you have to go all the way back

if you want to use it you dont

stop wasting time on things that can help you but you dont know if they do

start working

[hasty bane]

i don't crave 100% understanding of Thing

[barren shale]

that's how you learn programming

just do stuff

fill your github page with random shit

[hasty bane]

i crave enough understanding of thing to know what it can do, what it's good at

[barren shale]

that takes a 10 mintues on youtube

[hasty bane]

well

its an oversimplification

[barren shale]

yes but its enough

to get you working

[hasty bane]

ye

[barren shale]

have to go

gbye

[hasty bane]

see ya

and about not finishing things...

i usually not finish things because i just get bored

And poor planning

[barren shale]

you get bored because its way out of your skill

its too hard

working on hard things all day makes you bored

[hasty bane]

no, actually

i like the challenge

learning new complex stuff is fun

[barren shale]

its fun at the start

but then progress starts to become very slow

[hasty bane]

where it gets bad is

your code grows

becomes more complicated

you have to take more stuff into account

[barren shale]

that's what happens

[hasty bane]

when adding new thigs

[barren shale]

when you are bad

[hasty bane]

things

[barren shale]

what do you code in

[hasty bane]

rn im doing python cuz it ez
but i did rust recently

[barren shale]

well python isnt suited for anything big

[hasty bane]

Yeah i need to work on my planning and keeping code... organized?

not sure if organized is the right word

[barren shale]

you need to know how to structure your code correctly to make it expandable and readable

[hasty bane]

yee

[barren shale]

@knotty root you dont need to focus on your code structure rn

you need to focus on making your code work

programming has two aspects

how you think

and how you type what you think

first one is easy then hard

second one is hard then easy

[hasty bane]

i think too much about new feature

[barren shale]

focus on the first one first

[hasty bane]

used to tbf

im getting better at

[barren shale]

that's the second one

[hasty bane]

sticking to plans for features

and the thing im trying to make in general

[barren shale]

you shouldnt plan your code before you start

the idea should be very abstract

[hasty bane]

when should i plan my code

hm

[barren shale]

when you dig deeply before you start

you wont know how to start

therefore you wont start

[hasty bane]

fair ig

[barren shale]

and you will sit down and make it even more complicated

[hasty bane]

spending too much time on planning isnt good either

is it just

one of those things where you need practice to get better

[barren shale]

most important thing is starting

its 0 risk

so not having a plan

wont hurt

having a plan will help

but you dont want to make a plan then not start

[hasty bane]

im mostly concerned abt things like feature creep

[barren shale]

you can think of features just dont think of how you are going to implement them

[hasty bane]

and excessively refactoring the code for things

[barren shale]

refactoring is required some times

[hasty bane]

ye

i just sometimes can go

[barren shale]

sometimes you have to delete the whole project and start over

[hasty bane]

this

though

[barren shale]

ive done it a lot

you learn

[hasty bane]

its not a bad thing

yeah

you learn how to make the thing you want to make

and just do it better next time

[barren shale]

but the problem is when you delete a project and remake it your motivation doesnt go back

[hasty bane]

exactly

[barren shale]

that's why you have to make small projects and finish them

[hasty bane]

hmm

[hasty bane]

as a

keeping motivation up measure?

[barren shale]

int[] array = new int[10]
for(int i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
  Console.WriteLine(array[i]);
}

foreach(int number in array) {
  Console.WriteLine(number);
}

these two

do the same thing

there are two cons about using foreach tho

its a bit slower especially on big arrays

and you cant mutate the object

so you cant do

foreach(int number in array) {
  number = 5;
  Console.WriteLine(number);
}

because number = 5 mutates the object

[barren shale]

as getting things done

that will really help you

and it motivates you to make more

and always share

but only after you start

[hasty bane]

alright imma go start

:D

[barren shale]

dont share ideas before they become things that you can show people

[hasty bane]

kek i do know that

[main brook]

hi

[hasty bane]

hello

[hasty bane]

Wew python bots really just died after discord.py went down

you have nextcord, pycord, discord-py-interactions

probably 20 more

[hasty bane]

ok actually

slash commands

are pretty damn cool

not used to them but they look interesting

[wet girder]

I might be getting my first internship position from my dad's workplace and if that doesn't happen, one company wants to do an interview with me

[barren shale]

noice

[hasty bane]

that's pretty damn good

[cloud solar]

Btw... i am looking for a person that knows unity well and would like to cooperate

More on dm

We are making game abt animatronics like characters it will be 2d

It wont be a fan remake and the gameplay will be diferent

I have a smol team of me(main designer) and graphics maker and sound maker

[pseudo burrow]

hi

[hollow bronze]

read the channel topic and or pin

[hasty bane]

So ive been checking out discord py successors

Disnake is pretty good

It's short, it's simple

[hoary hound]

this is not a channel about the game, also if you have a suggestion go to #💡game-suggestions

[river verge]

BRos how can I code it where I can make all the characters naked, hot men

[bright elk]

I uh, I messed around with code until Roblox studio crashed. That's my coding experience. My PC made angry jet engine noises after I duplicated unanchored parts 50,000 times.

[bold rover]

Ignore them

[main brook]

all of them sucks

use

enhanced-dpy

[hasty bane]

im having no issues with disnake

so far

[main brook]

who's the maintainer

[barren shale]

python

bad

[main brook]

hi

[hasty bane]

someone

https://pypi.org/user/EQUENOS/ ?

[barren shale]

@knotty root #💡game-suggestions

if you keep talking about that here ill mute you

[knotty root]

@knotty root

just a smol question

do you know any 3d python libraries?

oh ok

[barren shale]

what do you mean 3d python libraries

[knotty root]

How to code

[knotty root]

python libraries that are able to create 3d apps or games

[barren shale]

you can use pyopengl

not recommended tho

python is too slow

[knotty root]

mhm

thx for helping

rip

⚰️

[orchid frigate]

Every rendering engine is technically 3d

So yea

[orchid frigate]

I mean you could use a game library as a rendering engine

Otherwise you will have to learn buffers and glfw and that shit which is annoying

[knotty root]

im using a laptob

it'll explode

ye i like that guy

[orchid frigate]

Dani is cool

Not ny type of content but still

Plus he is q master at marketing considering his very... questionable game is recommended to everyone on steam

A laptop is also cool

What parts

Also

I kinda wished I had a laptop rn

Coding on a pc is kinda overkill unless you are making some very very high gpu or ram shit

[knotty root]

its weak as hell

[orchid frigate]

Yes but aa I said a pc is very overkill

And the laptop matters

[knotty root]

;-;

imagine having an rtx laptob

yea like taking it everywere

[orchid frigate]

I mean if you just wanna code a laptop is amazing unless you are learning Machine learning or making triple A games

But for stuff like hacking its also just awesome

[knotty root]

lol

[orchid frigate]

Hackers are basically programmers who got bored from doing the same things every day

[knotty root]

check the pins

now

[orchid frigate]

And decided to put their knowledge to the test

Thats q very specific pin message

Me too lol

Oh well

Rules are broken daily in this chat so

I'm here and most of the admins dont visit this chat

Only jupe

But he is cool

My fingers are shaky af and I cant type lol

[knotty root]

[orchid frigate]

Dont hit trees with shovels kids it will make your fingers... explode idk

[knotty root]

so its basically a sandbox game

[orchid frigate]

Shouldn't be that hard in unity

2d or 3d

Dont try 3d solo

It sucks

Making models requeres some serious work

O thought I could do it alone until I made my first model

Gave up and switched to opengl

[knotty root]

:kek:

[orchid frigate]

Uhhh in unity it will take you around 3-4 months to understand the basics

But learning unity is a great way to learn programming i did it and look at me now

[knotty root]

lol

[orchid frigate]

I dont...yea Im nit that great

But still

[knotty root]

you're brursed

[orchid frigate]

I can make some shitty bootlaoders that barely work and disassemble a makeshift 10 line license checker and uhh yea thats my full resume

Wait why couldn't you do it

Right

[knotty root]

@orchid frigate i like how you ignored this

[orchid frigate]

Well you can start without a computer

[orchid frigate]

I did

Lemme reply now

[orchid frigate]

Best description of me

[hasty bane]

Yeah python is NOT a game language lmao
that's just asking for trouble

[orchid frigate]

Ever

[orchid frigate]

Which reminds me egg man

What happened to rust

[hasty bane]

I tried doing web rust

My brain exploded

[orchid frigate]

Rust is Linda like that

I started doing it again

[hasty bane]

no

the language

[orchid frigate]

And started to work on TMURL (the most useless rust library)

[hasty bane]

kek

nice

[orchid frigate]

Or not

[hasty bane]

Im back to python 4 bot stuff because

I looked at serenity and that stuff is spooky

[orchid frigate]

TMURC (same thing but with crate not library

[hasty bane]

and i dont really need rust's speed or safety here

[orchid frigate]

Byr

Byew

Byew*

[hasty bane]

byew

[orchid frigate]

Bye

[hasty bane]

xddd

i never leave this channel

[orchid frigate]

Rust is probably the best made language to exist

Because its good for everything

[hasty bane]

except your sanity

[orchid frigate]

Low lever high level middle level

[hasty bane]

Its hard

But it's epic

[orchid frigate]

Not that hard its syntax is just a bit different

Its like learning new syntax

[hasty bane]

Well yes but

its weird idk

[orchid frigate]

But mutables and tags suck

They suck

Very bad

And those <> things

Also suck

Hate em

[hasty bane]

agree

https://github.com/serenity-rs/serenity/blob/current/examples/e14_slash_commands/src/main.rs

    async_trait,
    model::{
        gateway::Ready,
        id::GuildId,
        interactions::{
            application_command::{
                ApplicationCommand,
                ApplicationCommandInteractionDataOptionValue,
                ApplicationCommandOptionType,
            },
            Interaction,
            InteractionResponseType,
        },
    },
    prelude::*,
};```

what

[orchid frigate]

Ok

I understand it

So

[hasty bane]

yes

it just looks

really complicated lmao

[orchid frigate]

Its literally just a very very big using tag

Kinda useless but still

[hasty bane]

Yep

[orchid frigate]

Idk why you wouldn't just use * to add everything

Like why

[hasty bane]

gotta limit those importts!!

meanwhile me: imports everything

[orchid frigate]

Why would you do this to yourself

[hasty bane]

masochism

[orchid frigate]

Every sane person adds everything

Thats like making a make file for a single command

Its just why

[hasty bane]

lmao

[orchid frigate]

The only thing I kinda hate about rust is setting up the building environment

Like it has way too much stuff for one project compared to C

Or cpp

Or anything else

[hasty bane]

dont you just get a cargo toml and a src + hello world file

[orchid frigate]

You also get a target folder a cargo.lock

Alot of stuff

[hasty bane]

oh right

well i wouldnt say a lot

[orchid frigate]

Why wouldn't you just do what c did and use object like files

[hasty bane]

compared to sth like nodejs its not a lot

[orchid frigate]

Object files are amazing

Its like a blessing

With an object file you can do anything

[hasty bane]

can an object file print money

[orchid frigate]

With rust idk how it even runs the program what does it run how does it run it

[orchid frigate]

If you code it well enough

[hasty bane]

well

never was really interested in that

[orchid frigate]

Well I was

I needed the object file to turn it jnto a bin

Turns out it didnt exist

Or smt

[hasty bane]

lol

[barren shale]

dead code elimination ?

[orchid frigate]

I mean

If you are willing to go that far for some extra speed

Props to you

I guess

[barren shale]

not extra speed

lighter sizes

very important in web development

[orchid frigate]

Fair enough

[cloud solar]

Is there a way to make a timer without using ienumerators?

In unity

And also Time.time is float?

[barren shale]

timer for what

you can just make a float

and add time.deltatime to it every frame

[hollow bronze]

you can add to a time number in an update method and until that time number reaches an amount you specify it wont run the method

[wet girder]

One of my friends from school has this friend who tries to impress everyone by being a skiddie as we hang in discord vc with my friends pretty much the whole day everyday because none of us has a life. But it's honestly hilarious seeing him flexing with phishing tools he found somewhere on the internet and barely even knows how to use it while everyone else in the call could make phishing websites by hand the same quality his tools can

[orchid frigate]

Ask him how they work

[wet girder]

I have and he always goes silent

[orchid frigate]

And listen as he tries to make up the weirdest bullshit ever

[orchid frigate]

Or that

[wet girder]

lol

[orchid frigate]

"yea so it uhh when you press the button it uhhh connects to the pentagon and afterwords requests for a server to shut down the firewall and...just look up"

[wet girder]

lol

Completely another topic but me and 2 of my friends once in school started pinging my other friends pc in like 100 shells per PC to ddos him. Sure none of us was able to use the internet pretty much at all and we wasted like 20mins putting all the shells manually on but atleast we made him completely unable to use the internet during class

it was funny af

and I'm pretty sure the it department was confused af why the internet usage had a huge jump on 4 machines in the same classroom

[orchid frigate]

Is this powershell

[wet girder]

no no, command line

[orchid frigate]

Because if it was you could have just used a while loop

Oh

Well idk if you can do it there

[wet girder]

powershell is for noobs lmao

[orchid frigate]

Still better than opening 100 shells

[wet girder]

It was completely dumb and unnecessary to do it manually because yeah Powershell exists but it was funny having like 100 cmds open

[orchid frigate]

Look guys I actually said something good about the easier option

[orchid frigate]

Did you make the text green?

[wet girder]

would've taken too long

[orchid frigate]

If you did you could have taken a picture and sent it to a news station to tell them you hacked the pentagon and that was the evidence

[wet girder]

lmao

[orchid frigate]

"breaking news a bunch of kids hacked into the pentagon they sent this as evidence we dont know what the fuck it means but it has green text and a command line so it must be serious"

Movies sometimes annoy me by how incompetent they are or atleast seem

[wet girder]

@limber sparrow #💡game-suggestions

[main brook]

hu

hi

[barren shale]

no text wall

its not that hard to read the description of a channel

[fathom brook]

Hi

[fathom brook]

Nice argument unfortunately 1.363.4827.3883

[barren shale]

ok stop pinging me now

[hasty bane]

why are half the people appearing here bandits lmfao

[bold rover]

Shitpost here move to #🌎general Shitpost more warned and muted

It's dumb

[knotty root]

#include <iostream>
using namespace std;
Int main()
{
cout << “Hello World” << endl;
return 0;
}

Hello world in C++.

[orchid frigate]

We can make this more complicated

#include "stdio.h"
#include "string.h"

int main(int argc, char *argv[]){
    if(argc == 2){
        if(strcmp(argv[1], "Hi") == 0){
            printf("Hello world!");
            return 0;
        }else{
           const char* Estr = "lol";
           write(1, Estr, strlen(Estr));
           return 1;
        }
    }else{
        write(1, "You are supposed to give some arguments lol", strlen("You are supposed to give some arguments lol));
        return 1;
    }
    return 0;
}

Oh wait thats c

Eh whatever same thing

[hoary hound]

That's the most unnecessarily overcomplicated code I've ever seen

[orchid frigate]

No its kinda more difficult to be reverse engineered

Not hard because it uses strings

But more difficult

You don't want to solute someone who doesnt solute you first amirite

[hoary hound]

Depending on the case, making your code harder to reverse engineer could be not worth it, if not a waste of time

It also makes the code unreadable for other developers

For example, if you have a client-server architecture, obfuscating the client is a total waste of resources, as you should focus on making sanity checks on the server, instead of trying to secure the client

Because one important lesson to learn is that you can never trust the client

Probably the only useful thing I learnt from developing on roblox

[orchid frigate]

The thing is usually these types of programs are very highly wanted from the attacker as they usually are license or account checkers

So you gotta make the attacker put some work

Its not gonna stop him if he knows atleast a bit what he is doing

But its gonna be annoying for him and that makes me happy :)

[barren shale]

Wow

None asked

Literally

[barren shale]

Using obfuscation isn’t a total waste of resource

It make reverse engineering slower or even not possible for some people

[hoary hound]

Again, it depends on what kind of project you are working on, of course if you are making standalone software, it would be very useful, although you will never be able to make completely reverse engineering-proof software

[barren shale]

You can’t make it completely proof doesn’t mean it’s not worth it to make it

[hoary hound]

Of course, just don't make the dangerous assumption that since your code is obfuscated, you can care less about other safety measures

[orchid frigate]

I only did it to anger you :)

[barren shale]

Or because you know nothing better than doing useless things

[orchid frigate]

Technically you can make the file unopenable in any disassembly software

[orchid frigate]

Yea im good at that why are you mad? Jealous?

[barren shale]

Why would I be jealous of your uselessness

[hoary hound]

If that were possible than reverse engineering would be long gone. I'm guessing there are probably some drawbacks in doing so?

[barren shale]

It’s haydot don’t listen to him

[hoary hound]

Nah I'm curious

[orchid frigate]

Basically you flip a random byte in the program until it works but disassembly software doesn't recognize it

[orchid frigate]

I did my research unlike you

Copy pasting everything you see

[barren shale]

Bruh

That’s exactly what people did to Warcraft 3 maps

[hoary hound]

Wouldn't that make the program... Not work?

[barren shale]

And people still decompiled them

And deobfusicated them

[orchid frigate]

9/10 times yes

[barren shale]

It doesn’t make it not work

[orchid frigate]

You are looking for that one time it does work

[barren shale]

It just makes it harder

[orchid frigate]

Matters which byte

[barren shale]

I’m talking about reverse engineering

You can still reverse engineer these

It’s just harder

[orchid frigate]

Yea

[hoary hound]

So there are some bytes in the program that even when changed still don't affect the program itself?

[orchid frigate]

Making it unopenable in any disassembly software complicates things alot considering most people use tools like radare2 or gdb

[orchid frigate]

Yes not sure exactly which ones they are but there are a few special bytes of information which Different disassembly softwares look at to open the file

If they are different for each program so usually you make python scripts to automatically flip bytes and change them around until it works

[hoary hound]

Then why do you need to switch random bytes, it should already been known what part of the file the disassembly programs look at

[hoary hound]

Oh

Bur

[orchid frigate]

Gdb looks at some bytes and radare at other

Or maybe the same idk this is all I know

[orchid frigate]

Tbh I have no idea

[hoary hound]

Isn't there the risk that flipping random bytes still makes the program work, but with a different logic?

[orchid frigate]

Need to search more

Its something about file types

[orchid frigate]

You make a different file just for that

[hoary hound]

And how does that solve the problem

[orchid frigate]

I mean you will test the program first to make sure everything is as it should be

[hoary hound]

Let's say a constant is changed by a byte flip. The program runs fine, but after 1000 hours of running something goes different because of that constant

[hoary hound]

Runtime errors don't always happen in the first minutes of execution

[orchid frigate]

Very highly unlikely I think

The things that change arent in the main file or your code

They are usually the bytes that tell what the program is

For instance...ah gotta go

Will continue talking later

Cya

[hoary hound]

Alright

Bye

[wet girder]

hmm yes I've edited the same html file for 4 hours

I totally don't have css on other half of my vsc

and I totally haven't played sea of thieves like 2 of the 4 hours

[barren shale]

are you not using a framework or smthing

[wet girder]

not allowed to

it's for school

[hasty bane]

rewriting the entire bot now

rip 3 days of progress

@main brook why do you think enhanced-dpy is better than disnake

[barren shale]

bruh

schools that limit you

i dont like them

today i did my programming basics final

had to write a program in C

they didnt care what i used

they just cared about if the program worked or not

even if i used something i didnt learn yet

[orchid frigate]

First time ? Welcome to the club

[hasty bane]

far from first time

[orchid frigate]

Rewritting is kinda epic tho

You get to organise the program better

What sucks is having to do it 6 times

[hasty bane]

i usually dont rewrite 6 times

[main brook]

because

dutchy made it

he's me friend

and edpy had existed

since dpy was on development

its basically dpy but enhanced

like a default embed color

more named color variations

and so on

stuff like pycord

those are when dpy got deprecated

and the maintainer is also someone i know

but damn seems like most people hate it

although i don't really like him anyway

so i don't really care if people hate it

or like it

[hasty bane]

[hasty bane]

gonna set up ssh

spending half my day Not At PC

is a lot of wasted time

that could be used to do things

[main brook]

i already have ssh

smh

[hasty bane]

i never really did anything that's not just

Writing scripts n stuff

last month / two months I've been learning some stuff

[wet girder]

That's why I demanded school to let me install software I need for coding on my school laptop

how tf did Godot make it to my finnish book

ah it's persons name in some country

makes sense

still kinda funny

[hasty bane]

enjoy notepad :D

[wet girder]

I have vsc, visual studio 2022 enterprise, Unity, Blender, photoshop and Xampp on my laptop

and notepad++

because my teacher demanded

[orchid frigate]

My pc at school was so bad

It used to have 2 fucking gb of space

RAM*

not space

It wasnt that bad

So it couldn't open word

Gi

Hi*

Now it has 8 and literally no coding software

Whenever I open notepad I get thrown out of the classroom for attempted murder or smt

Uhhh im at school and im having the most boring classes ever because 50% of my teachers are either sick or don't wanna enter class

So average

What about you

Noice

[wet girder]

mine has 8 too but we need more for Unity so our school is trying to hook us up with upgrade on that

or well not the school, my favourite teacher is trying to convince school to let them buy ram for us

[hasty bane]

more for unity?

mine has 8 and unity works just fine

what kinda stuff you doing there

[wet girder]

the laptop uses 5,7GB of ram on Idle because of the fucking antivirus my school uses

[hasty bane]

AHAHAHAHA

What's the AV name

[wet girder]

No idea, it's hidden from students in some weird ways

[hasty bane]

lmao

wild

[main brook]

you guys have nice school pc

mine just windows xp

and we are taught to draw

with ms paint

[barren shale]

we dont have school pcs

:(

@knotty root

too busy

that's what im busy with

im going to a dungeon

should finish it soon

this dungeon normally takes like 3 hours to finish

only

[orchid frigate]

@knotty root what u need

[hoary hound]

Store it in a variable

[orchid frigate]

Ok so give me the function that c# uses to generate random ints and I will telll you

But

You have saved it

Its in randomInt

Also

No tab

Tab bad

[barren shale]

what

[hasty bane]

okay ssh on win10 looks painful

not doing it

i'll get a dual boot in a few days

for now i'll have to host bot from pc AND phone

[desert notch]

Can someone tell me how to create op character with code?

[hasty bane]

you mean in-game?

Room to talk about different coding/programming topics. This chat is NOT WORLDBOX RELATED

@wet girder opinion on adding an on_message check in this chat that sends an ephemeral disclaimer to a person if they are below chicken saying "THIS IS NOT WORLDBOX JUST IN CASE IF YOU WANT WORLDBOX DONT COME HERE THIS IS NOT WORLDBOX PLS LEAVE US ALONE"?

[wet girder]

lol

[hasty bane]

the potential for automated and optimized bullying with the ephemeral message stuff is unmatched

also i've been doing comptia practice stuff for a while and
I am pretty sure it's more useful for discovering new IT concepts than for preparing for the test. which is actually very good for me because i don't really intend to take their tests in the future

[desert notch]

Oh ok sorry

[hollow bronze]

just get a command added to the bot

word it as fully as you can, and then use it whenever someone chats nonsense

[hasty bane]

That could work, yeah

but on_message check is extra coolness points

[wet girder]

Let's integrate ai into amp that detects when someone under level 10 speaks something unrelated

best idea ever

[hasty bane]

yes

[bitter spire]

how can i get traits

[hasty bane]

"THIS IS NOT WORLDBOX CODE CHANNEL JUST IN CASE IF YOU WANT WORLDBOX MODS OR CODE DONT COME HERE THIS IS NOT WORLDBOX CODE PLS"

[orchid frigate]

@hasty bane you become the bot

You go over each message

And act accordingly

[barren shale]

you ask the trait gods

nicely

[safe badger]

Sorry to bother but how do u change traits on the people in WorldBox #⌨coders-cave

Also I’m on mobile #⌨coders-cave

[orchid frigate]

Look at this

[knotty root]

How do you code?

Also how to get worldbox on pc

Hm

[exotic vessel]

Ah yes... The Nerd Cave

[main brook]

I don't think you can do that

ephemeral are possible on interactions

which requires like

interaction

like a command or a view response

[main brook]

no need to say sorry, you already triggered most of us

[main brook]

what if

it has the word

"in worldbox"

or "traits"

then they'll get dm

or something

[hollow bronze]

eh "worldbox" would work

for levels under like 15 or whatever

it detects worldbox and auto-removes and posts a message only the user can see

level limit keeps it so that you can say it once you understand what channels are what (if you're new to the server and do want to talk code, it wouldn't be forever either), even then you can refer to the server with "on this server" or any other number of ways

[hasty bane]

unfortunate

Can have it send DM then

[main brook]

and then

user closed its dm

smh

[hasty bane]

it logs if users have closed dm right

does it throw an exception

[main brook]

yes

it does

HTTPException

[hasty bane]

can send to channel with ping and delete after x seconds

[main brook]

there's a workaround to this actually

[hollow bronze]

the problem is if its closed then it won't let them know

[main brook]

yes that's possible

[hollow bronze]

I used to have it post such pings in #🤖bot-commands

for like map stuff when people posted non-embed/files to the downloads channel

[hasty bane]

now we just need jupe to do it :DDD

what is jupe doing btw
he's got some project or competition going on, right?

[main brook]

no idea

[hollow bronze]

wonder how other discordpy variants handle new stuff

such as ephemerals and buttons

I'd use js, but I hate js

[hasty bane]

It's okay

Haven't used ephemerals but definitely used buttons

[hollow bronze]

there used to be a lot of user-made additions that you could install

when new features came out

[hasty bane]

to discord.py?

[hollow bronze]

yeah

[hasty bane]

i just use disnake now

[hollow bronze]

they were questionable at best but let you access what you needed

[hasty bane]

the docs are a bit
ehh
weird?

it's not as well documented as discord.py and i remember having to check source code of some things to know what they were really doing because docs provided just a surface explanation

brb

[main brook]

they forked dpy when it have views

[hollow bronze]

docs on their way to provide no information

[main brook]

so Views are handled by dpy itself

unless discord decided to fuck things up

[hollow bronze]

my favorite docs are ones with syntax and nothing else

no explanation

[main brook]

i like to scrap

source code

no docs? no problemo

watch me speedrun

[hollow bronze]

only works if there exists code to scrap

[main brook]

most have

but for c extensions

they are required

to have docs

otherwise nobody use them

[hollow bronze]

I'll find AI things, or user extensions is very good luck territory with that

[main brook]

oh?

[hollow bronze]

anything rather new

or something one guy did like 5 years ago but its what you need

some things I'd probably had fried my brain if I tried to code from scratch though

like entire libraries written by one guy in like a week

[main brook]

i wrote a simple async framework

in 3 days

now i can make it in mere minutes

for some reason

[hollow bronze]

I can too, if I have your code

[main brook]

ehe

[hasty bane]

ai is

scary

[hasty bane]

what do it do

you mean async framework as in

it does async

or a framework using async

[main brook]

it does async

stuff

[hasty bane]

neat

send?

[main brook]

areo

its on my github

[hasty bane]

link?

[main brook]

my connections

smh

[hasty bane]

oh i had to

open profile

wtf bot nsfw module

rei kind of

Sus

[hasty bane]

@wet girder apologies for the LARGE AMOUNTS OF MEME PINGS but i think it might be a good idea to limit cursed responses to ~monke.
Have it only send cursed monkeys 3 times after a normal monkey and then turn off until the cooldown is over or something like that. Or maybe there already is a limit in which case it is probably too big

[wet girder]

It just deletes the cursed after the video is over. I haven't really seen a need but possibly a good idea

[hasty bane]

Ooh

so it deletes after x seconds

That's not very useful though with how quickly chat moves

[wet girder]

Yeah I've noticed. It was good back when monkey command was created lol

[hasty bane]

Ye

this server growing
it's both a curse and a blessing

[wet girder]

yep

[hasty bane]

rebr saying that is pretty ironic kek

[main brook]

don't blame me

im still going through puberty

[hasty bane]

lmao

[wet girder]

I think I am still technically going through puberty as well

hmm

[main brook]

jupe

how old are you

[wet girder]

16

[bold rover]

It probably works like as entended

I don't blame rei if it works

[hasty bane]

am no longer trying json

dataframe too good

:D

[main brook]

json and dataframe

two separate entity

[hasty bane]

yeah

well

i can do

json to df

but

eeueh

i like the dataframes

[hasty bane]

ello

[errant trail]

while(true) {}

run in console for free bobux!!! no scam!!!

[hasty bane]

true

[orchid frigate]

Just ran it on a linux terminal

Got a syntax error

Smh I got scammed

[errant trail]

browser console!

it uh um UHM sends request to a server where it mines bobux and sent it to you!!!!

[orchid frigate]

I mean you could put some more stuff in there to make it seem real

Lemme show you

while(true) {Ping roblox.com}

[errant trail]

ye ik but this is #⌨coders-cave everyone is gonna know it anyway and also it's just a joke that is intentionally obvious

[orchid frigate]

Yea we are here to make th best ways to make this believable for people who have never touched code

Plus the ping thing is gonna keep pinging roblox.com

So they will think its generating free bobux

[main brook]

lmao

hi haydot

guess what

[orchid frigate]

Hi

What

[main brook]

i purged my phone from nasty libraries

3GB worth of libraries

like tigervnc

perl

php

and etc

[errant trail]

oh my god 3GB

[main brook]

IKR

[errant trail]

I have 0b because I use cloud lol

[orchid frigate]

Getting rid of /etc/ may not be a good idea

[main brook]

smh

[main brook]

lmao noo

im just purging things from

/home /usr/lib /usr/share

and deleted packages

[errant trail]

ah yes the path that I totally know whats in it

[orchid frigate]

I should probably root my phone some time

[main brook]

I don't

root my phone

[errant trail]

ye me too

[main brook]

yesyes

[orchid frigate]

To learn a bit about Android

Ans it inner workings

[main brook]

haydot you don't want to

trust me

[hasty bane]

root spooky

[main brook]

android filesystem is fucked

[orchid frigate]

I will unroot it later

[main brook]

no not that

[hasty bane]

as someone who used to make small json mods

yes

[main brook]

but the inner linux

[hasty bane]

it is VERY fucked

[main brook]

ikr

the root filesystem is like

b a d

[hasty bane]

it makes no sense

lol

[main brook]

unlike other distros

[main brook]

mhm

[hasty bane]

we need Android: The Sequel

[main brook]

we need

[orchid frigate]

Android 2

[main brook]

Bedroid

[hasty bane]

degoogled

:)

[orchid frigate]

Im still waiting for chess 2 😔

[main brook]

Android 3

[main brook]

waiting for pc 2

[orchid frigate]

They have yet to release a release date

[hasty bane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_chess

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-player_chess

[orchid frigate]

Chess 2 looks bad there are no new pieces

[hasty bane]

tfw chess 3

[orchid frigate]

Smh

Rushed project

[hasty bane]

lmao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_chess

Almost chess

[orchid frigate]

Anyway we were talking about android filesystems

[hasty bane]

sort of almost chess

[orchid frigate]

Why is it bad

Like whats happening in there

[hasty bane]

Okay this ishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taikyoku_shogi

This is insane

250 pieces

[main brook]

first

[hasty bane]

Different types of pieces

[main brook]

there's shit samsung

with filesystem

a and b

[orchid frigate]

Thats not chess anymore its complexity is of a simple makefile

[main brook]

so you have two

separate partition

for your system

including boot

and then there's also

the part where you have

/sys and /system

and there's another directory

/data

[hasty bane]

im personally feeling like a Woodland demon today

[main brook]

the whole filesystem isn't like the usual

[orchid frigate]

This seems like the windows mistake

[main brook]

ikr

[orchid frigate]

System32 and syswow64

Still dont get how tf they messed that up

[main brook]

no idea

but we know why

because

microsoft

android made by google

google

owned by microsoft

windows owned by microsoft

[hasty bane]

google isnt owned by microsoft is it

[orchid frigate]

Wow this is confusing

[main brook]

seems like it tho

[hasty bane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_Inc.

[main brook]

ah

nevermind

they're both different

[barren shale]

rei

you thought

google

is owned

by microsoft

[hasty bane]

microsoft and google being under 1 corp would be

[barren shale]

wtf

[hasty bane]

uhhh

Mildly insane

[main brook]

chaos

also

[errant trail]

very strong

[main brook]

huawei have its own os

since few years ago

[hasty bane]

huawei os can go fuck itself

:)

[orchid frigate]

Microsoft would be like the most insane company out there

[hasty bane]

hello comrade xi please do not read my files

[main brook]

isn't huawei made in taiwan

[orchid frigate]

China*

[barren shale]

rei

you dumb

[main brook]

shit

[hasty bane]

Chinese multinational technology corporation headquartered in Shenzhen, Guangdong, China.

[barren shale]

or smthing

[main brook]

yeah

yeah

i mwa

china

the motherland china

taiwan is not a country

definitely

[orchid frigate]

Yes

[main brook]

*sweating uncontrollably*

[orchid frigate]

+9000 social credit

[main brook]

ah oki

[barren shale]

@main brook

[hasty bane]

Anyway

[barren shale]

go watch psycopass

[hasty bane]

df.loc[df.Weight == "155", "Name"] = "John"