⌨coders-cave

[tulip quest]

it came preinstalled on my computer, and I think I factory reset immediately and it didn't go

[quartz pumice]

start in safe mode

but it will still be futile you haved to reinstall windows to get rid of mcafee

[tulip quest]

I got rid of it eventually, but only through the piece of obsolete UI that is the control panel

[quartz pumice]

that wont work

I dont think that even uninstalled it

when I tried 😭

[tulip quest]

the actual inconsistencies between windows installs

microsoft out there using random.random() > 0.1 to determine whether you get to change a given setting or nah

[quartz pumice]

lmao

true

and thats why I use linux

[tulip quest]

I'm going to use it next computer I get

or if I'm forced to upgrade to windows 11

[quartz pumice]

yeah

I want to put windows on a portable ssd and keep it in a faraday cage

I need windows to play some games

[tulip quest]

windows 11 deserves to be ran on a minimum specs computer, isolated from internet connections while being underclocked to 1 hertz and being tricked into thinking it's being run at full speed

[quartz pumice]

lmao

fuck yeah

[tulip quest]

actually tho, Microsoft made such a huge deal over windows 10 being the final OS that everyone needs to upgrade to forever and now it's abandoned just like that

[quartz pumice]

I was a toddler when they released windows 10

[tulip quest]

when was it released?

[quartz pumice]

I remember me and my sister would play with cortana for hours on end

[quartz pumice]

somewhere 2014-2016

[tulip quest]

oh, so I assume you're slightly younger than I am

or same age if you count 4-ish as a toddler

[quartz pumice]

I was born before 2010

I was a big toddler lol

[tulip quest]

I was born days before 2010

[quartz pumice]

im older than you then

owo

[tulip quest]

yeah, that's fine

[quartz pumice]

wait fuck I gotta act liek im older

[tulip quest]

me and the boys out there acting like adults until we let it slip that we're not

[quartz pumice]

lmao

[tulip quest]

anyway microsoft be like

"Upgrade to windows 10, now!"

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-40123618314459872

[quartz pumice]

atleast microsoft isnt the worst

company

[quartz pumice]

raaa

[tulip quest]

I mean, they're big enough not to care about people now

they've got a big enough share in the market that they can do anything legal without dying for a long time

[quartz pumice]

yeah

atleast linux is becoming a competitor now

[tulip quest]

yeah

windows 11 is Microsoft advertising to switch to linux, I've heard

[quartz pumice]

I believe it is

[tulip quest]

I don't care if it's decent or not, it's not a good enough improvement from 10 to mandate update

[quartz pumice]

its worse

I have windows 11 and linux on my computer

going from windows 11 to 10 is not a downgrade but an upgrade

[tulip quest]

even if it was equal with windows 10, there's enough change to be a pain to switch

but it's not, so it's pain all the way through

good thing my computer has arbitrarily been selected to be ineligible for update

[quartz pumice]

lol

yeah those requirements are weird

meanwhile I could probably transplant my hard drive into a computer from 2005 and run the exact same linux just fine

[tulip quest]

yep

as a programmer, there's literally no reason that you can't just make a compiler for instructions older devices can't run and update their OSes

[quartz pumice]

the only debilitating difference between x86 instructions in 2005 and 2024 is that theres some more registers for higher bit count math

[tulip quest]

even then, addition for bigger numbers can be done with smaller ones

[quartz pumice]

and compilers dont even let you use those

[quartz pumice]

yeah

[karmic cave]

dual boot? why? :0

[barren shale]

wsl? or actual linux

i dont see any reason to dual boot these dayss just use wsl

unless you have low ram i guess

[quartz pumice]

I only have one drive and I have games that only work on windows that I want to play with friends

every time im not playing roblox or helldivers 2 im in linux

helldivers2 anticheat is so shit you can use wine but for some reason it doesnt work on my computer

[karmic cave]

well, seems not bad

but, arent there emulators in linux for games?

[quartz pumice]

yes wine which roblox used to support but doesnt anymore presumably because people were hacking and shit

and helldivers2 just doesnt work on my computer with the emulator (wine)

[karmic cave]

thats sad

why do you even use linux? xd

[quartz pumice]

because its the fuckin best

[karmic cave]

for what? :DD

[quartz pumice]

everytihng

its so fast

and my computer fully supports it too

even the shitty proprietary softare that hp makes supports linux

lol

[karmic cave]

well, okie

[quartz pumice]

and we are also in coders cave if you are coder and dont like linux somthings off with your head

[karmic cave]

linux is just inconveniently
a lotta soft are only on windows

but thats as i can see, ive never used linux

[quartz pumice]

the ammount that wine supports or is made to natively support linux will surprise you

[quartz pumice]

the only thing stopping me from running games on wine is their anticheats

[karmic cave]

like, i dont need to suffer with drivers and things that may dont work

i can just install windows that can everything that i need

but, again, ive never used linux

[quartz pumice]

linux comes with all the drivers pre installed

dont evne haved to download them

[karmic cave]

mb ill try dual boot with linux

just cuz why not

but im affraid to install linux on my labtop xd

[quartz pumice]

you haved to wipe your hard drive to create large enough partitions for linux and windows at the same time

[karmic cave]

?

[quartz pumice]

unless you have 2 drives idk

[quartz pumice]

to dual boot you need either 2 hard drives (and have windows and linux on each hard drive) or partitions which you cant safely create without wiping everything first

linux will also happily run on a usb

though usb's are slow asf lo

[karmic cave]

yea i know, dont think that it would be problem for me when i get a new pc

[quartz pumice]

ive dual booted for like 6 months after installing linux with a new laptop and havent had a single issue

[karmic cave]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[quartz pumice]

I sometimes hear though that windows update can sometimes completely wipe the linux drive and replace it with windows stuff if your unlucky

linux wont even read other drives/partitions unless you allow it to

you can even look at .pdf's and .docx and shit too because of libreoffice which microsoft and whatever owns .pdf kept trying to shut down but cant 🤣 or atleast thats what I was told

can still read/modify .pdf and .docx plus more with completely free software as long as you are on linux

i fuckin love this shit 😭 I wish more games allowed me to play them on linux

and the only problems I have had with linux are literally my doing from fucking up its insides

I think I have like 4 login screens installed

and whats best is that my computer only has like 8 gigabytes of ram, if I need more I can just turn off literally everything then suddenly I only use a few hundred megabytes of ram and most of that isnt even actually ram its so unused linux just puts it on the disc

[karmic cave]

My cat

[quartz pumice]

meow

[dense peak]

when I was setting up partitions for my dual boot I didn't notice anything happen to my data and I'm also using one hard drive

[quartz pumice]

I don't think that's safe at all, you just got incredibly lucky there wasn't data in the parts you cut off

[mental turret]

cam o spam?

can i spam

[karmic cave]

Yoo, that looks pretty nice, especially for the first jam.
I think u could add some particles and post processing effects to make it much better, thats pretty easy to do on unity :DD

[karmic cave]

no u cant

[mental turret]

oh

[knotty root]

nah

[mental turret]

ok

[knotty root]

you got baited

[mental turret]

they said that i can because no one will see it

but

[knotty root]

xp doesn’t even work like that

[mental turret]

alr

[edgy flare]

Thank you :D

[errant trail]

arch linux with no experience with linux

yay or nay

[proud pawn]

lua opinions

[errant trail]

its cool

extremely fast compile time and easy syntax

no other reason to prefer it over more established programming language tho

[wet girder]

As long as you're ready to tinker, go for it

[kind rivet]

No. Arch is a do it yourself linux.

Unless you are willing to learn, i do not suggest arch for no experience user.

[spare totem]

I have a shitty laptop. Any recommendations for a lightweight c# Ide? (Visual Studio is unusable)

Which I don't understand, because I can run Worldbox just fine.

[wet girder]

VSCode should be fine but is not an IDE

If you want an IDE you should try rider probably

It's quite a bit more lightweight than VS

But Imo inferior to VS but some people like key prefer it

[karmic cave]

VS Code lol

[spare totem]

If it gets the job done, I'll take it.

All I'm trying to do is make snow stay on mountaintops.

[barren shale]

rider isn't really more lightwewight than VS CPU wise

it uses way more CPU

at least that's what i remember not 100% sure

[tulip quest]

When in doubt... you always have a default text editor

I use notepad for c# because I cannot be bothered to get something I like

[errant trail]

visual studio code is an IDE disguised as a text editor

[quartz pumice]

visual studio code is a terminal masqueradimg as a text editor

[barren shale]

Unusable for big projects though

Just going through the files will be annoying and we are not talking about autocomplete

[tulip quest]

I don't have autocomplete on my notepad

Anyway, you can't use it for large projects, but it works in small cases

[wet girder]

it is not an IDE. It's a text editor with some IDE features

it's missing a lot of features absolutely necessary for enterprise projects but works fine for most devs working alone

[barren shale]

code editor is the word you are looking for

[wet girder]

Yeah that's a better word

[ionic swan]

guys

give me a code that adds up to a certain amount

[onyx goblet]

Isn’t that basically like

Just use the integer limits lol

[feral bramble]

?

[ionic swan]

Yes

(I'm in class rn I need this quickly)

[feral bramble]

tf u mean

like if you input 3 it spits out 1+1+1?

or is it expecting you to rearrange stuff to get a number

[onyx goblet]

I think it meant like a total amount maximum

[feral bramble]

total amount of what

[onyx goblet]

Like 50000 is max, so 40000+50000 won’t work

But 40000+10000 will

[feral bramble]

k

[onyx goblet]

maybe.

Idk what he rlly meant

[feral bramble]

welp marv didn't give enough context lol

[onyx goblet]

Like I think

short int 32676

(That’s c++)

Maybe long, long long, long double

int

float (decimals, loads of it)

[onyx goblet]

Ok but

What was your problem

[errant trail]

thats called addition

1+1

python implementation:

print(1+1)
```without `print()`
```py
1+1

no need to thank me

[onyx goblet]

Was that even his question

[tulip quest]

we have no idea

[flat valley]

1+1

(This adds up to 2 btw)

[barren shale]

mr smart man

can you tell me what 0.1+0.2 is?

[prisma grail]

You gotta stop giving such easy questions! After all, what computer possibly wouldn't know that?! ||||

[barren shale]

ikr such a simple calculation, a potato computer can easily do it

[edgy flare]

That is correct 👍

[knotty root]

Someone should make a modern mod

[tulip quest]

#🔧modding-talk

sorry to be bland with you, but this is not the place

this is for casual coding discussion

[knotty root]

Mb

[tulip quest]

np 👍

[orchid frigate]

fn update_top_left_ui(fps_query: Query<&mut Text, With<FPSComponent>>, score_query: Query<&mut Text, (With<ScoreTextComponent>, Without<FPSComponent>)>, high_score_query: Query<&mut Text, (With<HighScoreTextComponent>, Without<FPSComponent>, Without<ScoreTextComponent>)>, entity_text_query: Query<&mut Text, (With<EntityCountTextComponent>, Without<FPSComponent>, Without<ScoreTextComponent>, Without<HighScoreTextComponent>)>, current_state_text_query: Query<&mut Text, (With<CurrentStateTextComponent>, Without<FPSComponent>, Without<ScoreTextComponent>, Without<HighScoreTextComponent>, Without<EntityCountTextComponent>)>, timers: Query<&mut ActionTimer, With<FPSDisplayTimerComponent>>, entities: Query<Entity>, high_score: ResMut<HighScore>, time: Res<Time>, score: Res<Score>, current_state: Res<State<GameStates>>)
gotta love bevy

[karmic cave]

tf is this?

[barren shale]

update_top_left_ui sounds like a bad function

your fault dont blame bevy

apparently using low level languages doesnt make you good at programming smh my head

[carmine epoch]

R.I.P. Marv btw

[karmic cave]

who is Marv

[barren shale]

finally C# will have proper error handling

im done with this try catch bullshit

even though i built my owwn error handling but its gonna be native which wiwll make it so much better

[lapis flint]

What will be?

[barren shale]

kinda like go

errors as values

[lapis flint]

I mean

Where i can read about it?

[barren shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aksjZkCbIWA&t=797s

I made my own error handler

public class Result
{
    public bool IsSuccessful { get; protected init; }
    public Exception Error { get; protected init; } = default!;


    public static Result FromSuccess()
    {
        return new Result()
        {
            IsSuccessful = true,
        };
    }

    public static Result FromError(Exception error)
    {
        return new Result()
        {
            IsSuccessful = false,
            Error = error
        };
    }
    
    public static implicit operator Result(byte value) => FromSuccess();
    public static implicit operator Result(Exception error) => FromError(error);
}

public class Result<T> : Result
{
    public T Value { get; private init; } = default!;
    
    public static Result<T> FromSuccess(T value)
    {
        return new Result<T>()
        {
            IsSuccessful = true,
            Value = value
        };
    }

    public new static Result<T> FromError(Exception error)
    {
        return new Result<T>()
        {
            IsSuccessful = false,
            Error = error
        };
    }
    
    public static implicit operator Result<T>(T value) => FromSuccess(value);
    public static implicit operator Result<T>(Exception error) => FromError(error);
}

[wet girder]

Any written articles on it?

I hate watching videos about stuff like this

[barren shale]

Yeah same but it’s a proposal

Couldn’t find any articles

Basically C# types will become like typescript types

Or similar at least

[orchid frigate]

it is a bad function

and it can be made into several functions extremely easily

however with my luck Im scared to touch it

if it works dont touch it

plus I dont supply the arguments myself but the engine does so idc

[barren shale]

well goodluck changing anything inside of it in the future

[orchid frigate]

the future is already here

[barren shale]

better get working then

[quartz pumice]

what i do is commit then completely rewrite it and if theres no terribly obvious error I give up and git undo

lol

[tulip quest]

not actually a bad strategy

[quartz pumice]

woah no way

[tulip quest]

I've been trying to get a (tile-based, because reasons) liquid simulation working nicely for 6 months or more, but I can't get the layers to settle properly . How good is it so far? (I know the performance is horrible, I've got it written in Python at the moment for ease-of-modification but intend to write in in C in the future, as this took 9 hours to render)

that message took 5 minutes to upload lol

[karmic cave]

Wow
That's looks pretty nice 👍🏻

[quartz pumice]

That's really cool

I would use as screensaver lol

[tulip quest]

I'm making it as a part of a simulation game, this is the only stuff I've made so far because if the liquid is all goofy it just won't be the same

exploity liquids ruin metas

[edgy flare]

That’s nuts

[tulip quest]

Just you wait until I add more

currently I'm stuck on wanting liquids to settle perfectly level, but once that's out of the way I'm going to add solids, gases and state changing

[tulip quest]

making significant progress towards it being perfectly flat, I'd show it but... it's not pretty.

when it's finished I'll make another 9 hour prerender

anyway gn

[karmic cave]

I made some level generation stuff :DD

[tulip quest]

impressive! What is this for? Just a test project? It's good

[karmic cave]

Thanks :3
That is for my game. I haven't done with this yet (I have to make more bigger rooms)

[tulip quest]

it looks like you've got it down, seeing as there aren't overlapping features or doors that lead to nowhere

I know I wouldn't get it to work first try without "artefacts"

[karmic cave]

Hehe
I can send some fails of it

[tulip quest]

lol you can if you want

I don't tend to have "interesting" failures in my projects, sadly

[karmic cave]

I found it xd

Also, as I remember, I had a lot of problems with bugs which was making my ram blow up

[tulip quest]

that first one's density starts to form a sort of normal distribution lol

[edgy flare]

I don’t see what’s wrong with the first one

[tulip quest]

I'm not at all surprised

[edgy flare]

Looks perfectly fine

[karmic cave]

It was lagging at end of the video

[karmic cave]

Real

[tulip quest]

the main problems I've been having with my simulation is liquids flinging themselves around unnecessarily, leaving reserved space where there's nothing and essentially oil stubbornly refusing to float on water

not to mention liquid duplication

but that's a past problem

[edgy flare]

How is the liquid generated?

Tiny particles?

[tulip quest]

it's tile based, and currently every tile starts with a random liquid type with a random density from 0-80% full

most of the problems I've been having are because it's meant to be tile based

[edgy flare]

👽

That crazy

[tulip quest]

yeah, I'm trying to turn the simulation into a fully-fledged tile-based simulation so it can run at scale if you have good parallel processing

[karmic cave]

Is your simulation uses some type of hard physics things or something like that? :0

[tulip quest]

it's just based around lists of numbers and mathematical manipulations designed to not destroy or create any liquid

which is why having liquids settle can be a bit of a problem, because they need to pass through each other without destroying each other

[karmic cave]

Sounds pretty interesting
and how much time did you spend for this? :DD

[tulip quest]

it's been somewhere from 9 months to a year at this point

the hard part is the designing of processes that actually accomplish what I need

[karmic cave]

Wow, that's impressive
Really a lot of time

[karmic cave]

It's always hard to make something exactly what u had in mind

[tulip quest]

the main problem is how hard it is to describe as a mathematical process stuff like how oil floats and water sinks

it's not the worst making it not destroy or create, you just make every change in liquids symmetrical

[edgy flare]

👽 you could average the density of the layer and determine which way it goes

[karmic cave]

Sounds like something that u can easily fix by just working with your project architecture

:>

[tulip quest]

dude, layers are an emergent property of the simulation

I don't program them, I program how the tiles change

[edgy flare]

I know that, but you could still probably find it

[tulip quest]

yeah, it wasn't too bad. I just made everything in the fluid maps update at the same time where the changes only apply once the update is finished

[edgy flare]

How are you calculating the tile changes currently

[tulip quest]

a bunch of functions that:
-create an empty tile map
-make each tile in the new map an updated version of the one in the previous map (as to not let tiles update before other tiles)
-replace current map with new map

for example, one of them averages out the tile values with the neighboring tiles (as long as they're the same kind of liquid)

[karmic cave]

As I understood, "tile-based" is when you have a grid, where you change every tile of grid by specified rules that u have to create. Like a "Life game"

Or is it?

[edgy flare]

And that determines where the liquids end up?

[tulip quest]

yeah, tile-based simulations are grids of tiles that have different properties that change over time

[tulip quest]

yep, there's an averaging one that makes it spread out, there's a gravity one that makes it compress towards the ground, there's a swapping one that makes oil and water settle, etc.

I think I'll post the current code here in a second, keep in mind it needs pygame

(and python, but I'm going to rewrite it in C eventually to make it fast)

[karmic cave]

Make this type of things in pygame is strange imo xd

[tulip quest]

I just use pygame to have a display window

all the other stuff is python doing calculations

[karmic cave]

It should be pretty easy to replace pygame with something other, isn't it? :0

[tulip quest]

yep, there's no pygame-specific features necessary

I just need a window I can write squares with colours to

[karmic cave]

Great :D

[tulip quest]

I'd need to do it myself though... I doubt my code is very readable in its current state

I don't tend to comment code seeing as I don't tend to work with other people often

sometimes I do it though because it's 100% necessary

for that reason, I need to modify it a little bit before posting it so it at least says how to use it lol

should be decently ready to run, there's some comments for reading after the function definitions end

[karmic cave]

Is all of your code really only in 1 file?!

[tulip quest]

yeah, right now it is

I don't really need to split it up at the moment

[karmic cave]

I just don't use python, but anyways it seems really inconvenient to work with

[tulip quest]

it's mainly good for when you have a programming idea and want to structure it but don't want to worry about complexity of a programming language

[tulip quest]

lol you can get around that by just copy-pasting my code into python

don't know why I felt the need to say that

[karmic cave]

Well, okie

[karmic cave]

Cuz why not xd

[tulip quest]

at least discord isn't biased like microsoft where if you don't pay them money windows will say your apps are risky when you try and run them

discord just tells you to be careful about executable files in general

[karmic cave]

Don't think that's it a problem

[edgy flare]

Wait

What if I just made a virus

Wouldn’t that be funny?

[tulip quest]

yeah, I just don't like how "trusted developers" are restricted to people who pay microsoft, and everyone who pays microsoft is a trusted developer

[karmic cave]

Fnny

[edgy flare]

Microsoft trust them 👽

[karmic cave]

Really

[tulip quest]

it's funny because I thought bribing was meant to work in the other direction

"let me get away with something shifty because I gave you money", not "recognize me as trusted because I gave you money"

[edgy flare]

Microsoft bribing developers to be trustworthy?

[tulip quest]

no, developers having to bribe microsoft

[edgy flare]

It kinda makes sense. If someone were to upload a virus, then that would be bad and Microsoft should warn people. If they bribe them, Microsoft gets money and the developers get to upload their viruses

That way, it’s beneficial for both parties

[sharp swift]

No way Microsoft would allow shady apps to be trustworthy even if they're "bribed."

[barren shale]

its just used to mitigate shady apps by forcing them to buy a license that they can take away if they do anything sus

everyone does that

android, ios, windows have these

a cheap hacker cant afford to keep buying licenses

[tulip quest]

I'd just rather it was done by a systemized check done with the money you spent on getting windows instead of having to buy a license

yeah, I'm a cheapo, but microsoft is a bajillion dollar company

[barren shale]

without a certificate you can't tell for sure if this is still the same app

it just binds the app to the publisher so you can tell for sure that this app is owned by this publisher

[flat valley]

Would maybe be better if there were different guidelines for different kinds of publishers, maybe smaller or indie dev teams can have cheaper or free licenses while larger companies have to pay more

[barren shale]

the licensing is not handled by microsoft

its just like website certificates

they just do the verification they dont sell the certificates

and the companies that sell the certificates sell them for a lot

[tired needle]

<!DOCTYPE html>
<html>
    <head>
     <meta charset="UTF-8">
    </head>
    <body>
    
     <p></p><h1>Hi</h1></p>
     <p><h1>just want you to know....</h1></p>
     <figure>
     <img src="https://cdn.loveandlemons.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/green-salad-1-580x803.jpg" alt = "" width="300xp" height="300xp">
     <p><h1>Dont forget to eat salad :D</h1></p>
    </figure>
     <hr>
     <ul>
     <h1>Fun facts about salad:</h1>
     <li><h2>Tasty</h2></li>
     <li><h2>Healthy</h2></li>
     <li><h2>Makes you grow faster :D</h2></li>
     </ul>
    </body>
</html>

Chat I'm proud of myself

[lapis flint]

Good

But only enough amount of protein and calories makes you grow faster, or many calories if you need to grow in all directions

[edgy flare]

Eat a salad is propaganda

Not even that healthy probably

I looked it up and the first results were fiber, weight loss, and hydration💀

Might as well just eat wet paper

[flat valley]

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-speech-bubble-speech-bubble-sman-gif-26198823

[tired needle]

Chat

I don't know how to import the file on GitHub

[feral bramble]

wut file

[tired needle]

html

[wet girder]

What exactly do you mean by this?

[tired needle]

make it public for the users?

[wet girder]

What

[tired needle]

i want the user to search for it and find it

[wet girder]

Are you talking about github pages or making a public repo?

[tired needle]

exactly

[wet girder]

Which one?

[spare mirage]

i retract my statement about javascript being goated

[wet girder]

Good

[tired needle]

this

[wet girder]

So you want to make that a webpage with github pages?

[tired needle]

yup

my cousin told me that i should import the code on github to make it public

[wet girder]

This guide should be able to help
https://docs.github.com/en/pages/getting-started-with-github-pages/creating-a-github-pages-site

[karmic cave]

i finally finished this :DD

[barren shale]

a bit inconsistent

idk if you are doing this but you should put rooms in categories and then have rules for how many of each type of room there should be

so like 5 big rooms, 10 small rooms, 2 massive rooms, 1 boss room

stuff like that

[karmic cave]

yeah i know

[karmic cave]

nah, my game isnt about this

i just have small, medium and big rooms

[barren shale]

yeah this is an example

[karmic cave]

and corridors

[barren shale]

but having a consistent number of each type of rooms make the map generation more consistent

[karmic cave]

I only have a number for rooms, that limits quantity of spawning for each one

[barren shale]

yeah its a good first step

but it can still randomly pick too many big rooms or too many small rooms

and that would make gameplay inconsistent for most games but idk how your game will work

[karmic cave]

My rooms are separated by sizes
And I can choose which room will be spawned by size in room exits

But I'm still agree with u, not enough controll for this

I didn't find a tutorials for exactly what I want so I had to make this myself

But anyways it was pretty easy lol

I thought it would be harder

[tulip quest]

It's pretty good anyway, making the generation more consistent past this point is mostly a matter of figuring out what it should be like

I'd recommend making something that uses this level generation before improving it further

[karmic cave]

Ofc I wouldn't do this thing if I didn't have to xd

[slow jasper]

Can someone Teach me how to code on iOS?

[fiery locust]

get a computer

[slow jasper]

On iOS

[fiery locust]

don't

There's some apps for it, but I don't recommend it

[slow jasper]

Okay

[fiery locust]

I speak from experience, it's not worth it

iOS has most of the files locked away from you, and there's no terminal to test-run your code on iOS

you can write code in a text file but like…if you can't run it, you can't test if it works

[feral bramble]

there are websites that let ya run code on em to learn

w3schools
replit
codepen.io
etc

[barren shale]

Alternatively the cheapest way to code efficiently is to get a cheap used Chromebook

Because coding on phone is not the way

[feral bramble]

I will code on phone and u can't stop meeeee

and honestly ain't that bad

[prisma grail]

As someone who has had to do AMP hotfixes on my phone at least one time in the past, I would like to HEAVILY disagree. xD

Typing is slow, there's basically 0 space to fit code, navigating said code is even more of a pain, and basic actions like copy/cut+paste or find take an eternity compared to doing it on a computer in a software that has keyboard shortcuts for that stuff.

[tulip quest]

slow typing is already enough to make it bad

I remember making Scratch projects on an e-reader (for portability, I use Python for actual stuff that needs more than 1KHz of program speed) and even though Scratch is slow to work with, it is not as slow as typing stuff up. You either have to deal with autocorrect or an absence of autocorrect, which are both painful.

[prisma grail]

Honestly, for me, it's not that bad of a drawback since it can be pretty much fixed by connecting a proper keyboard to the phone.

My main annoyane was the complete lack of screen space.

[tulip quest]

you can connect a keyboard, mouse and headphones, but mobile still has worse services and performance when it comes to programming

[prisma grail]

Yeah, precisely, those aspects are the actual problems.

[tulip quest]

it's super easy to download a desktop IDE, but mobile tends to make stuff more difficult by needing specific mobile support and file-fiddling while files are basically hidden from you

[prisma grail]

For me, that aspect also wasn't all that bad when doing a hotfix for AMP because I could just ssh into our VPS and use nvim there, which was configured with a Python LSP and whatnot.
That's a very specific scenario though and not gonna be applicable for most other people trying to code on mobile. xD

[tulip quest]

yeah, but on desktop you install IDE and run it

[prisma grail]

Yeah, significantly easier.

[tulip quest]

not saying you don't agree

[feral bramble]

what were u coding on exactly tho?

also slow typin seems like a skill issue :P

[prisma grail]

Ok, then why don't you compete in typing on your phone against someone with an actual keyboard? :P

[tulip quest]

slow typing is the default on mobile bro

[prisma grail]

Like, hop on typeracer rn.

Against me.

[tulip quest]

I can reach maybe 70 WPM on keyboard and barely any on mobile because I'm either retyping everything or I'm fighting with autocorrect

[prisma grail]

I'm willing to bet that I can beat you on the built in keyboard of my Mac, and I'm saying that as someone who's bad at typing. xD

[prisma grail]

But that's only lowercase letters, isn't it?

[tulip quest]

ain't no way bruh, you must have practiced for years to get this if it's mobile (compared to a month on an actual keyboard)

[feral bramble]

Alright typer tacer tome

[feral bramble]

not even practice

just simply using phone as normal :P

[tulip quest]

that counts

[feral bramble]

I use pc as normal to ig

and up to like 120 wpm on type racer

i falter when it comes to caps and punctuation

140-150 all lowercae

[tulip quest]

if I could actually come up with what I want to type in my head faster, I'd type faster

I get 70 wpm on benchmark sites including caps, punctuation and special characters

[feral bramble]

Oof got 63 wpm doing typeracer on hpone

[tulip quest]

which is one reason a real keyboard is way better, you don't need to hit a button to get special keys

[prisma grail]

Watch any resemblance of speed on mobile go to hell once characters like [ get involved.

[tulip quest]

I mean, those aren't too bad [I'm pretty sure]

[prisma grail]

On my mobile keyboard, it's 3 clicks, all on the left hand side.

[feral bramble]

I actually type faster with those charcters on mobile tbh

probably cause of the emoticons lmao :P

[tulip quest]

bruh

[feral bramble]

:3333

[tulip quest]

funny thing is, there aren't really any characters I find slower to type

I kinda just freestyle it and have my fingers move to wherever necessary instead of having reservations

[prisma grail]

Someone needs to get you into some PC rehab, because this is a critical case. IwI

[tulip quest]

by freestyling it, I pretty much never have to use my middle or index finger (by index I mean the one next to the pinky, not the ring finger)

just making that distinction because it needs to be made

wait nvm I use my middle finger all the time 🤦‍♂️

[feral bramble]

well that was pain

[prisma grail]

[tulip quest]

most painful looking thing there is the spaces... I wouldn't know when to type a tab, space or enter

[feral bramble]

the formatting goes wonky for whatever reason when race ends

[tulip quest]

ahh, ok

[feral bramble]

Honestly with practice definitely can get up to 60 wpm or more on this

don't really see the point tho as most my time coding is spent debugging trying to get desired outcome

[prisma grail]

And either way, the "slower typing" point wasjust a pretty minor one compared to others.

[tulip quest]

yep

[knotty root]

Can you guys make world box mods work on mobile

Like mojang made mods work on bedrock

[tulip quest]

try #🔧modding-talk

this channel is for general programming discussion, not worldbox modding

[quartz pumice]

Mojang didn't make mods work on mobile tho

[feral bramble]

yeah people made 3rd party apps back in the day of pocket edition

en other stuff

[quartz pumice]

I remember trying those but none of them did bat shit

[flat valley]

most you can get on mobile is addons

which you can either get for free or you have to pay actual irl money for decent ones

Minecoins are the biggest scam

[wet girder]

I found one that worked when I was a kid

[wet girder]

FACTS

[quartz pumice]

why we hate bedrock

[quartz pumice]

lmao

if minecraft didnt exist and microsoft just released bedrock edition it would be a flop
if minecraft didnt exist and microsoft just released java edition it would be as popular

[young elk]

To manage your Leveling settings please visit your server dashboard via the button below

[tulip quest]

why would you use that in this channel

[tepid egret]

idk

[tulip quest]

ok

#🤖bot-commands is a better spot

[tepid egret]

btw

How do I get embed perms?

[tulip quest]

talk for a little while

you level up over time depending on how many (valid) messages you send (without spamming) and once you reach level 10 you get image perms

and link perms

[tepid egret]

alr

btw check my profile real quick

[tulip quest]

nice, 9 hours

[tepid egret]

Its 2 in the morning right now

trying to get life is a sim

[tulip quest]

I got it by accident, didn't know my computer was running it overnight one time and I got it

anyway this is a good time to stop and move to another channel

[tepid egret]

lol

alr

[quartz pumice]

Shikkan noko noko noko koishtantan

[queen zodiac]

Hi chat

[queen zodiac]

Propaganda

[karmic cave]

Sup

[karmic cave]

Propaganda for good

[feral bramble]

lol

[rancid shore]

Who is goodd at c++ or c#

[wet girder]

I code C# at work

[barren shale]

you

[tepid egret]

Shut up mee6

[mental lodge]

i learned recursion yesterday for c++
i learned recursion yesterday for c++
i learned recursion yesterday for c++
i learned recursion yesterday for c++
i learned recursion yesterday for c++

(this is a programming joke admins plz no)

[tulip quest]

bruh

no input, just bruh

bruh() has no parameters

[karmic cave]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-angry-speaking-head-tuco-squidward-gif-13808874276609302886

[finite tusk]

[dusty kernel]

banned for spam

[queen zodiac]

😔

@wet girder hello

[wet girder]

Helo

[queen zodiac]

How are you?

[scarlet light]

guys im learning C# so cool right

[barren shale]

bery kewl

[wet girder]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-gif-26388528

[rancid shore]

Who is good at c++ tell me in dm

[prisma grail]

@scarlet light This channel is for coding related discussion, not for interrogating admins about your staff apps! ^.^

[prisma grail]

Hey, if you need any kind of coding help or something, I'd suggest giving https://dontasktoask.com/ a read for future reference!

[queen zodiac]

Does that mean you're gonna become smart

😨

[scarlet light]

yeah

[scarlet light]

it was just one message T-T

[prisma grail]

And you only got a verbal for it, so just don't do it again!

Btw, since you said you're learning C#, how exactly is that going?

[scarlet light]

uhh its ok

[prisma grail]

Enjoying the language?

[scarlet light]

idk

maybe

give me some time to understand 👽

[prisma grail]

[scarlet light]

i tried to use visual studio but my pc got obliterated

[prisma grail]

IwI
Relatable, it does take some relatively good hardware to get that thing running well...

[kind rivet]

Bruh i have a ryzen 5 and booting up visual studio takes some time.

But what i hate about it is the GB i have to download like jeez

[prisma grail]

And people think that modern games are bad.

[queen zodiac]

We will watch your career with great interest

[scarlet light]

@prisma grail what is the difference between the usual variables like "int, double, bool, char" and this other variable called "var"?

i tested it and var works for everything

[prisma grail]

var is a C# feature that infers the type of a variable based on what value you initially assign to i.

[scarlet light]

so like should i use var for everything?

[prisma grail]

I'd personally specify the types, but it's a matter of personal preference tbh.

[scarlet light]

k

ty

[scarlet light]

i guess specifying the types is good practice

[prisma grail]

I don't think there's an objectively better way to do it, which one to use is purely a matter of either your own preference or your teams preference.

Same kind of situation as with the debate between different bracket notations.

[barren shale]

there's an option that shows you the datatype even when using var

that's what i do

because i dont want to write Task<IEnumerable<IResult<ResultClass>>>

but i want to know what the datatype is

[wet girder]

You should use var when the datatype is obvious from the right side of the =

That's best practice at least

[barren shale]

still very opinionated

do whatever feels right for you

[scarlet light]

like age and stuff

[wet girder]

It's technically bad practice when the datatype is obvious from the right side but honestly you can do whatever you feel like

[barren shale]

var a = 5; is obvious that its an int but var a = b; is not obvious what it is

that's what jupe means

[wet girder]

yeah

[barren shale]

i just var everywhere and have the option that shows the datatype

[scarlet light]

which

[barren shale]

i forgot

you can google it

[scarlet light]

real

k

[barren shale]

its been years

[prisma grail]

Fsr, I get that logic, but only when deciding whether to use auto in C++.

[barren shale]

i have a fix for that

dont use C++

[prisma grail]

Sorry, not in a mood to quit my job anytime soon!

[barren shale]

start looking for a different one

C++ jobs are one of the lowest paying anyway

[wet girder]

What is C++ actually used for?

[barren shale]

C++ becoming the new legacy language

[prisma grail]

Idk, I'd say I get paid quite fairly considering my work hours, my (current lack of) education and experience, and it being the first ever programming job I got at all.

+I also enjoy it!

[barren shale]

anything that can be done in C++ can be done in a better way in rust/zig these days

[barren shale]

sorry but i hate you now

[wet girder]

Do they have good support for graphics engines?

[prisma grail]

[barren shale]

yes

[scarlet light]

found it

[barren shale]

rust can do anything at this point

zig is still kinda new

but you can find stuff

[wet girder]

Seems like I should learn rust

[barren shale]

it can be very hard some times

[prisma grail]

Isn't anything that's networking related a nightmare?

[barren shale]

@orchid frigate

[barren shale]

rust expert maybe

[barren shale]

i think networking related zig is better

low level related rust is better

zig is like a better go

[wet girder]

This looks too much like python

[barren shale]

they are new languages so they dont have the trash of old languages like try catch and events

[prisma grail]

[wet girder]

also too much like JS

[barren shale]

i love the error handling in zig

but the package management is soooo confusing

[prisma grail]

What makes it good?

[wet girder]

https://www.aolium.com/karlseguin/4013ac14-2457-479b-e59b-e603c04673c8

looks kinda confusing

also the link looks sus af but it's just a static tutorial page

not static

blog page

which seems to be written in a weird way that makes it static

wtf

[prisma grail]

Honestly, it looks pretty nice to me.

[wet girder]

Yeah, would just require a lot of getting used to

[prisma grail]

I'd totally use that over error handling approaches like what C#/Java/Python/etc do.

[barren shale]

similar to go

but without the

if err != nil

[prisma grail]

For sure, especially if you've been doing OOP exception handling for the last few years.

[barren shale]

its error as values instead of exceptions

i have a wrapper for C# to turn errors into values

error as values is THE way

its so much nicer than this try catch bullshit

who ever invented try catch should never code again smh my head

[prisma grail]

Ok, no need to trash on try/catch that hard. xD

[barren shale]

but it suuuuucks

it has its own scope

so if you try to do something like

try {
  var value = funcCanThrow();
}
catch {
  // handle error
}

return value;

you cant

because value is in the try scope

[prisma grail]

_Not if you're in some abhorrent garbage language like Python! _

[barren shale]

i guess

or if you use var in javascript instead of let

because var in javascript is always called at the start of the function

[wet girder]

I never understood why try is it's own scope

[barren shale]

because sometimes the error handling part doesnt assign a value

so its ambigious

try {
  var value = funcCanThrow();
}
catch {
  // handle error
}

return value;

this is not safe

try {
  var value = funcCanThrow();
}
catch {
  // handle error
  return -1;
}

return value;

this is safe

it needs its scope but the root design is bad

that's why i made my own errors as values wrapper in C#

public class Result
{
    public bool IsSuccessful { get; protected init; }
    public Exception Error { get; protected init; } = default!;

    public static Result FromSuccess()
    {
        return new Result() { IsSuccessful = true };
    }

    public static Result FromError(Exception error)
    {
        return new Result() { IsSuccessful = false, Error = error };
    }

    public static implicit operator Result(byte value) => FromSuccess();
    public static implicit operator Result(Exception error) => FromError(error);
}

public class Result<T> : Result
{
    public T Value { get; private init; } = default!;

    public static Result<T> FromSuccess(T value)
    {
        return new Result<T>() { IsSuccessful = true, Value = value };
    }

    public new static Result<T> FromError(Exception error)
    {
        return new Result<T>() { IsSuccessful = false, Error = error };
    }

    public static implicit operator Result<T>(T value) => FromSuccess(value);
    public static implicit operator Result<T>(Exception error) => FromError(error);
}

here if someone wants it

it has implicit casting so you can keep your code the same

    public static Result<Image> GetMap()
    {
        try
        {
            if (_map is null)
            {
                const string path = "Data/files/images/map/map.png";

                _map = Image.Load(path);
            }

            return _map.Clone(_ => { });
        }
        catch (Exception e)
        {
            return e;
        }
    }

you still have to do one try catch at the top level

[prisma grail]

Yeah, con of trying to force a different paradigm onto a language that already does one particular one.

[barren shale]

yeah

but its still much nicer

it forces you to handle all errors

you are not forced to try catch throwing functions

but this returns a Result that you have to unwrap

kinda like what zig/rust/go do

[prisma grail]

Does C# by any chance also have a nice way to type match it in some switch? (I wouldn't know since the last time I used a version newer than .net framework 4.8 was an eternity ago. )

[barren shale]

yes it does

but

in the future

[queen zodiac]

Code walls everywhere

[prisma grail]

Wdym...

[barren shale]

its a planned feature

this year or next year i forgot

[prisma grail]

Ah, I guess that's nice.

[barren shale]

yeah C# type will become like typescript types

so an object can be int | string

which means its an int or a string

and then you can do a switch statement to handle all possibilities

var a = func(); // returns int | string

switch (a) {
  case string strA:
    doSomething();
break;
  case int intA:
    doSomethingElse();
  break;
}

something like this

[prisma grail]

NGL, that then just makes your result type obsolete entirely since you'd instead just return CorrectType | Exception.

[barren shale]

exactly

i want it to be that way

because then its built in

and i want an option to make exceptions not throw and instead get returned

when function can return Error

[wispy osprey]

Progress on my godot project!

[barren shale]

the ui size + the zoom is making it look like the world is moving not the player

but the art looks very good

also movement looks good too

[barren shale]

these should be ez to fix

[queen zodiac]

I do not know what's happening but it looks cool 👍

[scarlet light]

worldbox 2

good

[karmic cave]

I made a simple menu for my game :DD

[karmic cave]

Looks pretty good
But movements are sharp, try this thing: https://easings.net/

[barren shale]

dont use these on player movements

just camera

[karmic cave]

Why not?

[barren shale]

because these are meant for animations not movement

camera movement is an animation

player movement is physics

[karmic cave]

Player movement is not always physics but okay

[barren shale]

true

but in this case it is

[karmic cave]

Like
Why not use this for accelerations and decelerations?

[barren shale]

you can but in very specific cases

[karmic cave]

In this case he can do something like that for sprinting

[barren shale]

in most cases you can use just a linear expression and its gonna look almost the same + without all the bugs that it could cause

[barren shale]

yeah but it doesnt look as good as just a linear acceleration in this case

when sprinting you dont start exponentially get faster in most games

so he can use it for the dash

but not the normal movement

but to avoid bugs i'd just use AddForce and put a big number in there

[karmic cave]

Add force is bad for those things actually

[barren shale]

worked fine for me back in the day

[karmic cave]

Like, its always the same movement, u cannot control this

[barren shale]

just AddForce in the direction of the dash

once

[karmic cave]

Parabola

[barren shale]

yeah it is going to look like one of these

close to this

[karmic cave]

Yeah, if it was just x*x it would be same thing

And u can't change this
That's why I think that add force isn't good for this

[scarlet light]

Cubic

[queen zodiac]

Congrats on being able to read

[scarlet light]

im Cubic

[queen zodiac]

Yes, I know

[half hedge]

Stop lying

Your tag is not cubic

[scarlet light]

yeah i was jk

I'm not cubic

[karmic cave]

Nice joke, cuuuubic

[scarlet light]

ig rider doesnt change the color scheme of error output and user input (both are controlled by the standard output)

[wet girder]

Neither does VS but I have an extension that makes errors red and I love it

I think it's called VSColorOutput if anyone's interested

[queen zodiac]

[scarlet light]

not available in rider this exists but the bottom 2 just dont work

[wet girder]

I'm a visual studio guy myself so I don't know much how rider works

[lapis flint]

Much better

[wet girder]

How's rider much better?

[barren shale]

lots of little things

it forces you to write cleaner code by default

[barren shale]

just use windows terminal

maybe the rider terminal doesnt support colors

even though im pretty sure it does

[timid field]

Hello my fellow Hello world'ers

[rancid shore]

Im good at HTML

[lapis flint]

Many build-in stuff that you need to do with plugins in vs

And just feels much better

[karmic cave]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-mods-crush-his-skull-mods-let-him-drown-in-the-chocolate-river-and-get-sucked-up-the-pipe-charlie-and-the-chocolate-factory-lowtiergod-gif-16254499175495750566

[queen zodiac]

Das crazy

[subtle kernel]

wowsie

[feral bramble]

y u threatening the bot

[queen zodiac]

...

[versed lantern]

how do i have a 2d object point towards another 2d object?

[barren shale]

pretty sure there's a function for that

[versed lantern]

yea its atan2

[barren shale]

its for 3d so you just have to reset the 3d part of the rotation back to 0

[versed lantern]

just found out

[barren shale]

no

well yeah

but that wasnt the one i was talking about

[versed lantern]

you were talking about transform.lookat right?

[barren shale]

ye

at least that's what i used to do

but i guess atan2 is the correct way

[wicked spindle]

This isn't really a coding question but is there an open source pixel art program for my game, i'm using krita and it isn't really drawing or deleting pixels as precise as i want it to

Like it kind of draws pixels gradually instead of just setting it to the colour i want

[karmic cave]

why do u even need open source programmmmmm?

just try Aseprite lul

https://www.piskelapp.com/

[karmic cave]

open source pixel art sprite editor

here it isssss

[barren shale]

aesprite is open source

and free

which is something not a lot of people know since if you search for it you will get the steam page for it which is paid

[karmic cave]

wait
aseprite costs money as i remember

[feral bramble]

https://www.aseprite.org/faq/#:~:text=Aseprite started being open source,art%2Fassets with it too.

not if you compile it urself

[karmic cave]

Well okie

[barren shale]

nope

go to the github page and download it

oh nvm yeah

you donwload the code x)

i havent done it in a while and when i rechecked this morning i saw there was a release tab

but i guess that's just for the tags

wonder why they dont use github actions to compile it for you

[prisma grail]

Why would they do that on software they're trying to sell?

[barren shale]

i guess so

make it so only people who really want it free or devs can download it for free

but also steam has auto updates

[prisma grail]

Yeah, I think it works well enough in regards to not hurting sales significantly, I think that cody actually does the same with his paid WorldBox mod.

[barren shale]

paid worldbox mod

bro 3 years ago cody didnt know what classes were

man grew up

[prisma grail]

Same here, only difference is that I learned from school instead of WorldBox modding.

[feral bramble]

oh neat
https://github.com/itsmecodyp/WorldBox/tree/main

[barren shale]

bro got the worst .gitignore file

[feral bramble]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[barren shale]

lesson 1: classes
lesson 2: fix your stooopid .gitignore

[feral bramble]

lol

[prisma grail]

I see that you're a professional at roasting cody.

[barren shale]

not only cody

anyone can show me code and ill roast it to its fullest

ill roast code that i wrote two weeks ago

[prisma grail]

https://github.com/WorldBoxOpenMods/PowerBox

[barren shale]

bad code

dont evven have to look

k fine ill take a look

[prisma grail]

Looking forward to the roast.

[barren shale]

I hate that the folder where the code is is called Code

prefer Core

tbh you are working on top of Unity so I can't really roast you

you cant write good code on top of unity

its impossible

[feral bramble]

Huh building bepinEX mods be pretty simple

[prisma grail]

Tbf, you can blame old NCMS standards for that one.

[barren shale]

but

[prisma grail]

He says as he's looking at an NML mod.

[barren shale]

why the fuck you dont have spaces in some of these files

man trying to save bytes or what

[feral bramble]

I'm just looking at a bepinEX mod making tutorial lol

[prisma grail]

Oh, that was very not obvious based on the context tbh. xD

[feral bramble]

:P

[prisma grail]

Ngl, I literally cannot remember why that's like that...

I was probably trying to fit it into little space for a screenshot and then forgot to undo or soemthing.

[barren shale]

also your scheduler class is disgusting

constructor adds to a static list?

what kind of pattern is that

[prisma grail]

Ok, tbf, it was 1 AM and the reason why I needed it in the first place was even more disgusting.

I needed to load a UI, and loading all elements on the spot would've made the game freeze for really long, and multithreading/tasks weren't an option because those make Unity have a mental breakdown.

[barren shale]

unnecessary nesting

[barren shale]

coroutines

[prisma grail]

Do I look like I can be bothered to learn more Unity specific technology than I absolutely need to?

[barren shale]

bruh

2 minutes of reading

also why is your todo list in a code file not in the readme

[prisma grail]

Btw, where did you see that?

[barren shale]

PowerBox.cs

oh

[feral bramble]

https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/Coroutine.html

mmm short

[barren shale]

not that

Scheduler.cs

[prisma grail]

Ok, I genuinely have literally no excuse for that one. IwI

[barren shale]

shorter than i expected

[feral bramble]

tf

I was just looking at it ..

[prisma grail]

That class doesn't contain a single static list...?

[barren shale]

its not short but you just need to read it for 2 minutes

[feral bramble]

oh

i accidentally pasted link two times lol

[barren shale]

oh it doesnt

its just the lines being clumped up fucked me

still bad pattern >:(

how do you add new schedules?

[prisma grail]

Even for my standards, what you described seemed to bad to believe for even my own standards. xD

[feral bramble]

I understand nothin 🙃

[prisma grail]

With the Schedule method?

[barren shale]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO

its schedule not scheduler

i thought the schedule method is the constructor

[barren shale]

that's on you x)

[prisma grail]

Ok, I now very much understand why you were hating on it so hard.

[barren shale]

okay its good

[feral bramble]

:P

[barren shale]

im gonna go look at some other stuff you've done x)

[prisma grail]

Ngl, that thought did not cross my mind at all when writing it. I'm sure you'll be happy to know based on that that this exact code has made it into the modloader itself by now, right?! :P

[barren shale]

people need to stop making mod loader

and start making mod utilities

[prisma grail]

I generally prefer not nesting, but it's easy to catch me in a mood where I can't be bothered to write even remotely good code.

[barren shale]

id rather die than write ugly code

[prisma grail]

Ok, now please get a time machine and tell Nikon before he made NCMS. xD

[barren shale]

well you dont do that again

with this nml

also your website sucks pp

[prisma grail]

Well, we can't just suddenly break 90% of existing mods because we don't like stuff done by NCMS. xD

Y'know, that's just backwards compatibility being a pain.

[barren shale]

too bad let the people rebuild their mods

okay im done with roasting you

who is next

[feral bramble]

Welp all ncms mods will probably break come major update

[prisma grail]

I do not have even a single spark of faith in the WorldBox modding communities ability to not collapse upon such a scenario.

[rocky kernel]

You need to create a character first. Use _start

[feral bramble]

wha

why u use underline for italics

[prisma grail]

_I need to get admins to remove this bots access from the channels it doesn't need. _

[rocky kernel]

You need to create a character first. Use _start

[prisma grail]

IwI

[feral bramble]

STOP USING UNDERLINE

[barren shale]

another one of nikons master pieces "only joke pls dont kill me"

[feral bramble]

just do this sheesh

don't do the stupid `'__ __``

[barren shale]

ur mum

[prisma grail]

It's in my muscle memory.

[barren shale]

use *

[feral bramble]

stop it

[barren shale]

ur mum

[feral bramble]

wait what singlje _ works for italics as well breh

[prisma grail]

I can't just kill my old habbits like that...

[rocky kernel]

You need to create a character first. Use _start

[feral bramble]

test

[feral bramble]

nvm i was just bein stupid

[barren shale]

UR MUM

_ or *

[feral bramble]

hello there

[prisma grail]

How's making the replacement that hopefully won't have this issue going?

[barren shale]

good

its taking too long

(cuz i only write god tier code)

its been over 3 years

but we ballin

[prisma grail]

Are you still doing it entirely solo?

[barren shale]

yeah

not a lot of good C# devs that would work for free

[prisma grail]

Tbh, sometimes, you gotta prioritize getting something actually released over perfection.

[barren shale]

this is what we doing rn

but gotta make it bugless

(with "we" i mean me)

also im still not sure its gonna work

discord got some hefty limits on the amount of requests you can send to its api

and if the game gets big enough it might start lagging a bit too much

im thinking of solving this by having two seperate bots but im pretty sure its illegal

[feral bramble]

as in discord tos?

[prisma grail]

Are you already doing caching and stuff where possbly to minimize that risk?

[barren shale]

its not about the speed of the bot

its api requests to respond to players

because its going to be an interactive game

like in an adventure you get an event every 30 seconds and its synced

[prisma grail]

I meant caching in a sense of trying to minimize GETs to Discord to avoid rate limiting.

[barren shale]

gets to discord are not the problem

[prisma grail]

Generally though, it's a fair risk to be considering.

[barren shale]

i am caching yea

the only thing i need from discord is player names

and im caching that

[prisma grail]

Just a few weeks back when Maxim pinged in #📣announcements most reently, it literally caused so many reactions that AMP got a global rate limit and IP ban by Discord for multiple hours.

[barren shale]

ip ban?

why would it ban

since you hit the global rate limit

it should just ignore your requests

[prisma grail]

We apparently hit some hard limit by cloudflare that caused them to block our IP temporarily, in addition to the global rate limit by Discord.

[barren shale]

oof

that's deadly for speciesbox

we will see after first playtest how it goes

[barren shale]

(god tier beatifully written code btw)

also getuserasync function has its own cache

but i just double cache the name only cuz why not

[prisma grail]

Looks nice, but is there no expiration mechanism that could catch when users change their names?

[barren shale]

bot will most likely have daily restarts

but there should be a TTL

also i might not end up using the discord username and instead making people choose names for their characters

[prisma grail]

Ah, fair. AMP alsso has restarts often, but only because of how arbitrarily we just dump new features onto it. xD

[prisma grail]

Would be pretty nice, though it adds minor extra effort in regards to having a proper management system for that.

[feral bramble]

~owoify oh yeah speakin of new features... @prisma grail does that still ping

bruh i splet it wrong

[barren shale]

meh

[feral bramble]

~ping

[barren shale]

compared to everything else

its mega smol

[feral bramble]

oh bot just doesn't run in here

[barren shale]

like the fighting system in the game

it took months to make it bugless

wouldnt recommend trying to make an interactive game in a discord bot

[prisma grail]

Very understandable. xD

[barren shale]

#📣sb-announcements message

this is a pic of it

[prisma grail]

Their UI system REALLY isn't made for it.

[barren shale]

bro if discord knows what im doing with their shit

they gonna hire a hitman to come get me

im abusing stuff to get it to work

[prisma grail]

Oh dear god.

It's both impressive and sad how you're just resorting to images for the info display. xD

[barren shale]

i mean embeds are cool and all

but they are not very cool

images allow me to do way cooler UIs

[prisma grail]

Yeah, ofc.

At a cost of needing a high data trasnfer capacity.