irl-gear

[left flax]

Yeah lol, well I think so

I wear a long sleeve t-shirt under my gorka

No itch

[compact dagger]

@royal pebble bit more of our camo

[left flax]

That looks cozy

I haven't had the experience of sitting around a fire with friends in a while

Jelly

[compact dagger]

Yea it is been sitting here for 4h keeping security

Cuz live fire at range

[tired skiff]

DIES OF CRINGE

[royal pebble]

thanks, it’s a very neat camouflage

[modest flame]

💀

Wack

I don't get why people be posting their toys in the gear channel

[royal pebble]

its still gear

barely, but it is

[modest flame]

Airsoft replica cring

[modest flame]

Should stay in the airsoft channel

[royal pebble]

airsoft gear is still gear lmfao

[modest flame]

Is it really tho?

Maybe if your like 15 it is to you lol

Pretty sure this channel is for like, real gear. Which is why it's separate from the airsoft channel with irl weapons lol

[royal pebble]

what if you use real gear for airsoft then lmfao

[modest flame]

Then it's fine to post it here

Cuz it's real gear

Fine to post it both places

[royal pebble]

the kid is like 15, just let him do whatever he wants

[modest flame]

Cringe

[royal pebble]

dont be the fun police

i can think of things that are a little more cringe lmfao

[modest flame]

I just think cringesoft should stay in it's designated channel

[royal pebble]

well, you dont have any authority so i guess youre gonna have to deal with it lmaoo

[modest flame]

Just voicing my opinion pal

Not really a big deal 🤷‍♀️

All it means is I get to make fun of them lol

[royal pebble]

your opinion wont carry much weight so that's okay

[modest flame]

Got em!

You really seem to be an idiot

No shit, it's an opinion

Kind of the whole point of me saying it was an opinion

Honestly I'd rather see donut talk about how you should use real gear in airsoft

[low fox]

Too bad bip is gone

[modest flame]

:(

[royal pebble]

a lot of people getting into airsoft are kids who dont have a job and need an allowance to get into this stuff

their gear looks fuckin ugly but its whatever

i wont piss on their fun

[modest flame]

I will

[low fox]

Imagine not having a horrid addiction to milsurp since inception.

[modest flame]

You're missing my point

[low fox]

I did my first reenactment at like 10~

[modest flame]

When you post your broke stuff in the non broke channel, I get to make fun of it

[low fox]

WW1 Tommy who lied about his age

[modest flame]

Oh yeah and one last thing

Wear earpro so your shitty helmet doesn't look fucking dumb on your head

[royal pebble]

says the dude that doesn’t have ear pro on his helmet

[compact dagger]

And he has usuck patch

[acoustic harbor]

the fuck you want

also why is Bip gone

[uneven oriole]

Tactical feline deployed

[left flax]

TacCat

[uneven oriole]

The little dude was chilling on me like that for like an hour of patrol and was actually aseful as he paid attention whenever something moved in the dark

[left flax]

Fleshy auxiliary night vision

[acoustic harbor]

you get no NVDs issued?

[uneven oriole]

long story short;
we forgot to grab it with us

for that one night

[acoustic harbor]

bruh

[coarse laurel]

Best thing since sliced bread

[acoustic harbor]

what comtacs you got ? seem like 3s

[coarse laurel]

5

[acoustic harbor]

Nice

also what do you think of this? Imho the best Medical kit ever seen

[left flax]

Needs gummy bears

[modest flame]

Guy was saying airsoft gear counts as real gear

[acoustic harbor]

ew

[acoustic harbor]

noted

[left flax]

🙏

[modest flame]

He couldn't really think of any comebacks so then he resorted to transphobic comments and got muted

[acoustic harbor]

lmao

[left flax]

Sounds normal for this channel tbf

[modest flame]

He said his kit cost more than mine and when I asked him to prove it he just goes You'll never be a real girl

I'm not even trans lol

[acoustic harbor]

My Kit costs more than most of guys here 😎

[left flax]

Lmfao

[left flax]

My kidney alone is like 40k, so you're wrong

[acoustic harbor]

I sold mine already

[left flax]

Only need 1

[acoustic harbor]

true

Still praying that the rest of my glad is coming today

[left flax]

I'm praying I get my SV98 on Friday

[acoustic harbor]

SV98 user

[left flax]

Other than that I have nothing exciting to look forward to :(

[left flax]

It's comfy

[acoustic harbor]

A bud I know did Hostomel VDV kit

and he's going to a game in 2 days

he's mentally prepared i hope

[left flax]

I was mentally prepared, had 7 people comment on me

No death threats sadly

Got another game this Sunday so there's still a chance

[low fox]

can't have SHIT in this channel

[left flax]

Ong

[acoustic harbor]

I just don't give a fuck, the reason being my unit isn't even in ukraine

[low fox]

a man goes on a quick trip for a few days

and comes back to this channel flooded with cringe

[left flax]

Idgaf either, I just enjoy the hate my Russian kit gets at my local.

[left flax]

Ligma balls

🥵

[acoustic harbor]

The airsofters?

[low fox]

god i hate it here

[acoustic harbor]

Understandable lmao

[left flax]

Imagine

I don't count though because I was in the Scottish junior sea cadets for 2 years so I'm basically a marine

[acoustic harbor]

Lmao

[left flax]

Oorah
Or whatever we say

[acoustic harbor]

U PUT THE BRAED IN DA TOSTA

BRUH, this shit went from 0 to 2000 real fuckin quick

[left flax]

I missed the screenshot because someone rang the doorbell

Send again uwu owo puppy eyes

[acoustic harbor]

[left flax]

What meow

It hurts

[acoustic harbor]

please just commit non living

[left flax]

6mm won't penetrate

[acoustic harbor]

but .38 Special will

[left flax]

Ballin

[acoustic harbor]

I'll donate one

[left flax]

I feel like a rip from a bmp3 would suffice tho

[acoustic harbor]

rusty af and more usefull as a grenade but will probably get the job done

[left flax]

Wb acid soaked nerf darts with thumb tack tips?

[acoustic harbor]

the 100mm or 30x165 rounds?

[left flax]

Yes

And I want the funny Russian red backpack guy to record it

[acoustic harbor]

red backpack guy

?

[left flax]

From the unnamed Russian neighbour country war
The advisor dude that keeps popping up in combat videos

[left flax]

Finally got a damned cover for my 6b50s

[acoustic harbor]

didn't you get one stock?

they are given out with a EMR cover

[left flax]

It was given to me by my mate for free, he kept the cover for his ESS goggles

Can't complain though, free 6b50

[acoustic harbor]

It was just weird to me

tbf i don't use em much

I either run the helmet without or with uncovered goggles

[left flax]

I don't use em a whole lot either, I just have it on the helmet for the looks

It's good for if my contact lense Falls out like last time, because 6b50 is fucking perfect for glasses

[crimson prism]

Does anyone have the ikea chest rig?

[acoustic harbor]

IKEA chestrigs

I'd prefer a Microrig over one tbh

[crimson prism]

im trying to build it but im stupid and cant work out how to

[acoustic harbor]

just take a single sheet as base and sew the pouches around mags

as It's probably single stack it shouldn't be hard

[crimson prism]

im a dumbass idk how to

i will watch sewing tutorial

[modest flame]

Very tactical @plush topaz

[plush topaz]

Much tact

[soft sonnet]

Muchos tactical

Hmm

I should get some like boots with thicker soles

So I can seem taller maybe

[frigid geyser]

no joke tho but i did get into a pretty bad fight recently for something similar ngl, wasnt even wearing anything russian...

i went to a local shooting range to test fire a new gun, and wore a chinese type 81 camo jacket while zeroing an optic

what i forgot was that i had one of the identification patch literally with a red z on it from op blue sword-b in 86..

and a guy on the side thought that i was russian and just acted like an idiot and started insulting and all... which ended in a pretty bad fight

[frigid geyser]

for reference, kinda also careless from my side to not realise that it isnt really the best idea to wear it under the current circumstances..

[echo jay]

gryphon?

[plush topaz]

Just grow taller. Ez

[plush topaz]

It isn't fucking careless. The letter Z is not suddenly offensive.

Fuck that guy for opening his mouth

Is the letter V also offensive now?

[spring oar]

Cannoli, it's all about timing. If nationalist elements weren't making a big deal about Z then it wouldn't be a problem

It's like the upside down ok hand sign, it's passed out of the public and nationalist zeitgeist so it's fine to use the normal ok hand sign again

[mossy obsidian]

Apparently it is

[plush topaz]

Bullshit. His patch has absolutely nothing to do with the Russian invasion

It's akin to me seeing a swastika in some Greek pattern in wallpaper and getting angry

[spring oar]

That's irrelevant. Is it worth the trouble of explaining every time what it actually is?

[plush topaz]

Actually yes, it's wallpaper. The symbol came through by coincidence

Just like it's a coincidence this z on his patch from the 80's is now an FOF symbol in Ukraine

[mossy obsidian]

https://www.dailywritingtips.com/the-letter-z-will-be-removed-from-the-english-alphabet/

[spring oar]

[plush topaz]

I mean it's one thing thay the nazis appropriated a real symbol and destroyed it for everyone

But this is a letter of like 500 alphabets for christ sakes

[mossy obsidian]

04/01/10, but still I wouldn’t be shocked if it was suggested today

[spring oar]

I love daily writing tips

It's all shutposts

[plush topaz]

Fresh attire

[spring oar]

A Z on a plain field, as a patch or lone symbol temporarily means something, it's not really much to get riled up over. Once people stop caring, which will be soon, it'll go back to just being a lone letter on a field.

[plush topaz]

Yeah and I'll tell anyone who gets worked up over it to kick rockZ

[acoustic harbor]

who tf is gryphon

[acoustic harbor]

and O as well y'know

[plush topaz]

Yep

[left flax]

Ooft, hope you broke his nose

[cerulean flower]

53 eur (20.000 Hungarian forint ) well spent

Automat Kalashnikov 09

[visual rune]

Oh no baby what is you doing

[frigid geyser]

yeah... slightly of a mess at the end, think that i maybe broke one of his ribs or something

did kinda hit him with an ak buttstock

[left flax]

Good shit dude

Fuck people like that

They use this whole situation as an excuse to be assholes

[frigid geyser]

yeah.. i mean i get it about the whole correctness lately linked to Z,V,O, and all, but if you don't want to hear out what it actually is and just suddenly start acting like an idiot and hitting people, at a shooting range, then there's something genuinely wrong with you ngl...

[left flax]

Honestly

At the end of the day, it's a letter

[acoustic harbor]

next time go back with an extra accurate Russian kit + Z Patch for trolling purposes

[visual rune]

@cerulean flower

the one you want

esp if you can get an auto in hungary

cheap, they just switched the steels to D2

[cerulean flower]

I already paid my savings for my current one, but ty

This looks cool aswell

But the blade is more special on the 09 one

I was in few Military shops and this was the only Kalashnikov designed Knife

This makes it my fav knife so far

[acoustic harbor]

It is done

would still need plates but I think that can wait

[left flax]

Damn it's nice

[acoustic harbor]

too many fucking tags to reglue

[plush topaz]

Oh shit. You went hands on with the guy

[frigid geyser]

Yeah, i mean I had the rifle shouldered and that guy just punched out of blue while accusing me being a Russian fascist ?

And out of reflex i just gave him a hit with my aks stock

[plush topaz]

Jesus man. That's a fucked up situation. Starting shit with someone literally shouldering a loaded rifle

Glad it ended without anyone getting shot lol

[frigid geyser]

Yeah, I intentionally unloaded the rifle when I realised that this idiot wasn't gonna let go

[night rock]

punching someone with a rifle in their hands
hm yeah that'll go well

what a moron

[frigid geyser]

Guess two years within the infantry does make you the reflex of hitting people with a rifle lol

[plush topaz]

https://youtu.be/kK_-x3T4eKE

[plush topaz]

No cops called?

Just settled like men eh

[frigid geyser]

Well almost, but since the security camera recording clearly show it was him to started first and I was acting in self defense, didn't get law enforcement involved

Just settled it privately

Half Paying for a hospital checkup or something,

But yeah, could have gone really side ways NGL

[plush topaz]

Wow

What a wild encounter

That's one to remember eh

Got any more of those Z patches? I want one now lol

[frigid geyser]

Nah, those things are effectively non existent outside of China for mine and out of Russia for the normal one

Could always get a custom made one or buy one of those blank writable patch to make one yourself lol

[naive maple]

npcs have been propagandised into random chimp-like violence

[acoustic harbor]

looks like some basic bitch Rusfor airshitter

[twilit cape]

if you under the babasalva name those are airsoft companies

[echo jay]

thats a MSW event

you said your buddy was going to a game in two days, I was wondering if maybe he was going to something a bit more than just a local game

[naive maple]

theres an airsoft channel specifically to cordon off that stuff

[blissful leaf]

I got the D2

Even got the plates

[echo jay]

theres also context if you take more than 3sec to read

[acoustic harbor]

yeah he goes to that milsim probably, he just said it was on a airport

[acoustic harbor]

Fort Gang my boy

Fun Fact, gladiators are bigger than I expected

that nut guard alone covers like 1/3rd of my leg length

manlet goals

[left flax]

Now go run 3 miles wearing it

[acoustic harbor]

It's just 4 to 5 Kilos because I don't have the plateset

but I couldn't run a mile anyway

like running through a mile, traversing a mile at a higher speed isn't that bad

[crimson prism]

it looks cool like a jugger naut

[low fox]

kek, they really scooped up cossack gundi

that mf is dead

[quiet granite]

what level armor is that @acoustic harbor

[modest flame]

0

[modest flame]

Looks fuckin sick

[real sigil]

inb4 iotv with full compliment of supporting accessories

[nimble hinge]

ay are mechanix m pact gloves good?

afaik mechanix is a good brand so i figure theyre decent but i wanted opinions

[soft sonnet]

Based short comrade

[modest flame]

You found a cope buddy, nice

[soft sonnet]

Shut up tall one

I can fit in cabinets

You cannot

[modest flame]

Wow a useless trick, sounds like a cope

[soft sonnet]

I bet you can reach the top of the fridge

Like a nerd

[modest flame]

You're dick sucking height, so get sucking

[soft sonnet]

Wait one second I’ll find a response to that

[modest flame]

Yeah your response is to suck

[soft sonnet]

1. I ain’t attractive enough that you’d want that
2. I’m not gay

[modest flame]

It's okie I'm a woman

[soft sonnet]

Hmmm

No

[modest flame]

Transphobic? @soft sonnet

[soft sonnet]

No

[modest flame]

Then I am a woman

[soft sonnet]

Well that doesn’t mean I’ll suck your dick

[modest flame]

So you're transphobic then

Since you wont

[soft sonnet]

Why do you put me into such a corner

What if

I say

I would only do sexual acts with someone I love very very much?

Ha

[modest flame]

So you'll never love me cuz I'm trans?

Transphobic

[soft sonnet]

This is unfair

Hmm

What if I said: I do not love you now, but should our bond grow strong enough then maybe. There we go

I beat you at your game

Ha

[modest flame]

Did you? You just admitted you might suck my dick

[soft sonnet]

That’s only a hypothetical

And of course you’d have to take the time and energy to get me to that point, not to mention break the preexisting boundaries somehow

So it is exceedingly unlikely

There we go! Victory achieved

[echo jay]

no its just how rerards argue on twitter

it's only continuing because you're letting him fuck with you

[modest flame]

"unlikely"

However

You admit it's possible

Now admit you're the throat goat

[soft sonnet]

?

The possibility is so minuscule it’s practically not gonna happen

[modest flame]

Or I report you to the ADL

[soft sonnet]

ADL?

[modest flame]

Anti defamation league

[soft sonnet]

Hmm

This is a conundrum

[echo jay]

once more you are only being trolled because you permit it

[soft sonnet]

Ah

You jerk!

DAISUKE WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE THIS

[echo jay]

you fell for it

thats all

probably

[low fox]

just suck it dude

you'll only have to do it like 1 time

[echo jay]

"like 1 time"

I feel like you have told women this in the past

[soft sonnet]

That’s the path to homosexuality

[low fox]

not in that exact form

but yes

and it was a lie every single time

[echo jay]

well no not in that exact

but that sounds like just the tip to me lmao

[low fox]

but this time it is the truth

[echo jay]

it never works that way

[low fox]

he'll only have to do it like once

[echo jay]

or at least so I hear, I do not speak to women

so I would not know

[low fox]

i am absolutely desensitized to acts of homosexuality

the military changes you ya see

after the 50 millionth cock you see

it doesnt even matter anymore

look, all im saying is that he'll only have to suck it one time

whats the harm

[soft sonnet]

But that’s gay

[low fox]

if he decides to call it quits after the first time its whatever

who knows, you might even like it

[barren kettle]

he is a fudd in a fembois body, he will like it

[soft sonnet]

I’m not gay, no dicks in my mouth

[echo jay]

there be other holes

[low fox]

a man has 2 virginities you know

[acoustic harbor]

Soft armor is rated about Gost R 50744-95 Level 1+

it's main purpose is to stop frag but it stops common pistol rounds as well

Plates are rated 6A ( B32 7.62x54R) but can stop up to M993

but I haven't got them yet

[acoustic harbor]

wrong

One of the tags to confirm for y'all

[visual rune]

You've got better armor than most russian troops

[blissful leaf]

Ngl

For my D2 I might do a little modding

Then I have this helmet on the way it was stuck in Russia these past 2 months

[blissful leaf]

Also I love my D2 plates

[acoustic harbor]

why

[left flax]

Am jealous, I really want that

[acoustic harbor]

ask demych, simple as

[left flax]

No moneys

Buying more stuff to finish my ratnik

6M2s and other shet

Getting the elbow and knee pads today with my SV98

[acoustic harbor]

Thw same vest type was seen in Kherson with FSB, as it is issued to FSB

[visual rune]

they're starting to reissue 6b23/6b13

to regulars

[acoustic harbor]

that's nothing new

[visual rune]

idk about you man but

[acoustic harbor]

6B13s and 23s are pretty common in rear end troops

[visual rune]

i wouldn't be wanting to wear that into a combat zone

[acoustic harbor]

and that's a 6B12

[acoustic harbor]

I want

[acoustic harbor]

it's better than nothing

also 6B13s offer great protection

about gost 6 to 6A

23s...

not so much

[blissful leaf]

Ceramic plates 😎

Also gotta love the western propaganda that rus armor isn’t good

meanwhile Americans be like

STEEL plate everything cause nothing like dying from splash or having a steel plate dent in and crush my ribs or collapse my thorax

[visual rune]

americans don't use steel plates

[nimble hinge]

americans who know what theyre doing dont

a lot of people buy into the "multi hit protection" and the "ballistic coating" some have, but the military doesnt issue it

[left flax]

Free gear, yum
Where can I find this stash

[visual rune]

somewhere on the border of russia and some other country in that region

ostensibly

[left flax]

Sweet, gonna grab some

I'll bet my life

[visual rune]

russia is hiring

20 minute adventure, in and out

[acoustic harbor]

most Russian plates are good and cheap

pair of Granits is like 250

[left flax]

I like my granit
Although I haven't been shot yet

[acoustic harbor]

Why not is the question

[acoustic harbor]

don't you have Makets?

Replics

[left flax]

Yah

[left flax]

Nah

[acoustic harbor]

Maket are replicas

[left flax]

Idek what they are but they are real, I'll have to check

Maket sounded fancy so I said yes because idk shit

[acoustic harbor]

Maket literally is replica

[visual rune]

@left flax do you plan on joining ye olde military

seems like a cozy region

[acoustic harbor]

if they are called 5A or 6A they are real

with the respective Class

[left flax]

I'll get pics when I'm home, if I'm home today

Mb they are 5a apparently, no idea what that means

Has a tag looking thing on the back, will get photos later

[acoustic harbor]

everything pre Ratnik to after 6B5 in the army sector is kinda poopoo for todays standards, except 6B23-2, 6B13 and 6B12-1

[acoustic harbor]

Makets also have tags

[left flax]

Suppose I'll find out later

But hey if they are repros
Im gonna buy real ones

They felt rough in my hand so I'm guessing they were originals but fuck knows, I'll figure it out

[acoustic harbor]

makets are real as well but just non ballistic

[left flax]

Aah

[blissful leaf]

Defender gang

[left flax]

I want ballistic though for the hell of it

[blissful leaf]

Ima do a labs run irl

[left flax]

Biolab

I'll come with 🔥

[blissful leaf]

I do work in microbiology

We make vaccines for farm animals and food safety kits

[left flax]

Oh hey I could have done that if I paid attention in my biology classes

Instead I took physics then dropped it for art

Poor choices

[blissful leaf]

Ah

[acoustic harbor]

Spall

[left flax]

Btw Donut im gonna ask you because you probably own a set

At 6M2s any good

And if they are much different quality from the older gssh things

Wait im an idiot they are the same thing whoops

But are they any good

[nimble hinge]

6M2s are solid, try to get the gen 2s if you can

gen 1s take AAAs, the gen 2s are the ones that take AA batteries, most sellers ive seen dont specify which set it is but they do list the battery it takes

theyre both just about as good when it comes to ear protection, however the gen 1s active hearing is way louder (lowest volume on gen 1 is almost as loud as max volume on gen 2s)

i havent gotten/had to test this part, but the gen 2s are supposed to be more durable

[left flax]

Ah okay, thanks for that dude!

Are they also like active headsets? Making shit louder or quieter

[nimble hinge]

yep, theyre active headsets

like i said, the gen 1s are way louder

[left flax]

Oooh I thought ya meant the mic you speak into, my bad

Awesome
I need to get a pair

[acoustic harbor]

owned

If you don't need 6M2-1s with comms don't get em

waste of money

[left flax]

I'm looking for it with comms as I got rid of my shitty m32s

[acoustic harbor]

If you don't need it to communicate don't, if you need to have a radio with you go for it

although get modded ones, originals need Azart PTTs and those are a pain in the ass to get

[left flax]

Aaah I see. Good info to know

[acoustic harbor]

but In general i would do a smart move and save for ComTacs like any sane person

as most russians use Plugs either way

[left flax]

I mainly want the 6m2 to complete my ratnik tbf

Plus I know someone selling dirt cheap

But comtacs have been an option for me too

[acoustic harbor]

6M2s aren't needed

and most don't buy em

I had em, were allright, sold em

[left flax]

Ah fair

[fickle bison]

Anyone has a wartech tv102 in their closet they're not using? Dm me

[royal pebble]

good luck @fickle bison those things can’t be found anywhere anymore lmao

[fickle bison]

2nd hand from US, currently I have two offer $225: no plates, just carrier and foam inserts, olive drab
$200: no plates, carrier with foam inserts,atac-fg

[royal pebble]

nice, best of luck

i have a coyote one.

[low fox]

My main setup is on a tv102 in olive drab or i’d sell that to you lol

[real sigil]

Damn people actually use Russian stuff?

[open panther]

Anybody know a good gun belt?

[left flax]

Yeah

It's the good shit

[low fox]

axl eclipse

[open panther]

Ill check en out

[real sigil]

Eh, haven't tried it

From what I'm told it's ok

But just costs more

[left flax]

I've found it to be way cheaper tbh

[acoustic harbor]

mfw russian shit like 2 times cheaper than american stuff, except you buy FSB stuff

you guys are actually stupid aren't you, like fr, haven't used/compared it but still say that it's shit

[open panther]

I find it safer to just go with American stuff

Idk I trust it more

[left flax]

Cringe

[real sigil]

I mean, the nature of economics is that

[low fox]

yeah for you maybe

[real sigil]

The lower the cost

Naturally It will be of lesser quality

[low fox]

but also that too

[real sigil]

Doesn't mean it's bad

[low fox]

we dont all live in the eastern bloc bud

[real sigil]

I haven't used it before

[low fox]

which means that shit has to be imported

[real sigil]

So I can't say it's bad

[low fox]

and the people who are importing it need to make a profit

[real sigil]

From what I heard, all the cool stuff costs more after import and stuff

[low fox]

so they sell it for more than what they bought it for and imported it for per unit

[real sigil]

And it's ok

[low fox]

so it literally isn't cheaper, or even better

so why then would a sensible person not larping not just buy US made equipment, especially US made equipment with the field record and reputation that some of it has

if russian stuff was better, or thought to be better, people would be tripping over themselves to import it and buy it up

it's a niche market that only impressionists inhabit in the US

and even then, alot of the service records of that equipment is sketchy at best, or basically has no significant history of use outside of a few pieces

meanwhile stuff like the JPC has a record across virtually every member of NATO and western forces and allies over the span of 2 decades

so does the AVS, the MBAV, CIRAS and MARCIRAS, etc

and what lends it even further credibility is that when you personally know people who took that shit to a desert back to back for years, beat it the fuck up, got shot at, blown up, skull dragged etc, what makes you think im going to seek out russian gear?

[real sigil]

I mean

You have to consider

[low fox]

that russia also basically doesnt go to war ever

and when they do..

well..

[real sigil]

Spetznaz uses ars arma

[low fox]

🤷‍♂️

yeah who just rips off crye

lmao

which is even better

[real sigil]

They push that gear harder than me and you

I wouldn't say it's bad

They have the benefit of copying another company

And not putting r&d and rather just focus on copying and manufacturing

[low fox]

and they do so because the design is tested and proven with experience they themselves do not have to reference

[real sigil]

Same thing with holosun

[low fox]

copying the design will bring some of its many benefits

[real sigil]

Is it good

[low fox]

nothing wrong with that

but let's not pretend like a copy could ever be better than the original

[real sigil]

Yeah holosun is fine, but they have the benefit of not needing to make an original design.

[low fox]

and when compared with the original, it falls flat

the only situation in which i would ever in my life use russian gear is if i quite literally had no other option

because i can freely access better shit

but for most of europe who has to deal with VAT and all sorts of other bullshit

i can see why east bloc gear would be attractive given that much of it was designed to be cheap and mass produced

[real sigil]

In Canada Russian gear is expensive

Cause import taxes and shit

[low fox]

exotic gear will always be expensive

in europe that means crye and associated equipment will be expensive

in the US that means russian gear will be expensive

but reputations speak for themselves

[acoustic harbor]

6B45, 400 bucks plated? that isn't cheap for you for afull thorax NIJ 3A with similar to ESAPI plates?

[low fox]

and that will always be the law of commerce

[real sigil]

Have you tested the plates though?

[low fox]

which revision of ESAPi plates lol

[real sigil]

Iirc gost 6 is lesser than level 4

[low fox]

there's like 8 of them

[acoustic harbor]

bruh

Gost 6 is 7.62x54R MTS-2

7N13

6A is B32 API

[real sigil]

7.62x54r is a portion slower than 30-06

[low fox]

GOST isn't even the in service rating system anymore iirc

got changed years ago

[real sigil]

By a good 400-500 fps

[low fox]

2017 or so

[acoustic harbor]

2017

BR Ratings

pretty shit

[low fox]

yeah but they're the current ones

[acoustic harbor]

Gost 5 to 6A got placed in one tier

[low fox]

so i'm not gonna refer to GOST because I can assume that any plates produced after that date adhere to that system

the new system that is

[acoustic harbor]

a lotta companies like fort just write what they stop not waht BR they are

currently

[low fox]

Besides

[real sigil]

What's the bullet Construct for mts-2 like?

[low fox]

GOST 6a is comparable to ESAPIs but nothing below that really is

[acoustic harbor]

hardened Steel penetrator

Russians are too poor for tungsten

[real sigil]

So gost 6 is worse than level 4

[low fox]

I'd say it's slightly past it

[acoustic harbor]

We can say 5A Granits are like ESAPIs and Fort ASP-Gs are like XSAPIs/Highend NIJ 4s

as the latter are able to stop M993

[real sigil]

How so, bullet Construction is the same, but 30-06 has more energy

[low fox]

Because only one hit is required

[acoustic harbor]

3

[low fox]

Level 4 is just a baseline

[acoustic harbor]

5 meters

[low fox]

Some companies have plates that far surpass the level 4 rating

Some do the bare minimum

[acoustic harbor]

Gost R 50744-95 are 3 shots at 5 m, should be the same for NIJ

VPAM is the same

as is the post 17 Gost rating

[low fox]

but anyway, the cheapest end of level 4 plates probably are slightly less than GOST 6

But the medium and high end level plates are without a doubt better

[acoustic harbor]

definetly

[low fox]

30-06 is just a superior round

that being said

There's no reason for me to buy exotic gear in the United States when there is proven gear with a reputation for generally cheaper

[acoustic harbor]

For your situation definetly

[low fox]

For Europe, 🤷‍♂️

GL

i got my hands on a personal set of my issued plates pretty recently

im expecting CID to kick in my door pretty soon

but if they don't

😋

[acoustic harbor]

I'm european so turning to russia is the best tactic tbh, it's cheaper and better than the stuff you get here

[low fox]

and for my US boys looking

be on the look out on instagram

apparently a dude has some swimmer cut sets of LTC 28595s

and you literally are never, ever going to find better plates than that for the cost

[real sigil]

Aren't there European manufacturers

Like direct action

[acoustic harbor]

more expensive and even steel plates are made popular here

and the really good shit is not available for civvies

[real sigil]

Steel

Bruh

[acoustic harbor]

same opinion

[open panther]

I prefer ceramics

[acoustic harbor]

only option I would even buy steel is when I buy a old russian vest for my collection

[acoustic harbor]

a sane person does

steel is like last resort level shit

[open panther]

Work great in my SPC but then again I’ve never been shot

[acoustic harbor]

the biggest flaw when not taking force into consideration is spall

[low fox]

so my stance used to be that nothing is better than steel

but then i looked at ukraine and forgot they're getting blown up every single day

[acoustic harbor]

steel is only effective if you got full kevlar neck, groin and delts

[low fox]

and if someone is throwing an unholy amount of ordnance at you

it's better than nothing

it'll at least stop some frag

which generally is decently low velocity

depending on the munition of course

and frag is one of the top killers on the battlefield

[acoustic harbor]

well even ceramics don't help against explosives

[low fox]

i mean

they won't stop from being chunks of meat to be sure

but they'll stop fragments from tearing open every artery in your body and blowing a hole in your body

[acoustic harbor]

Well the russians use full thorax kevlar coverage for that

6B23s and older types all do that

except you are a poor pig that gets a 6B46 issued

ukrainians also use a portion of kevlar Korsar 3 vests

but most use PCs

as I have seen

[soft sonnet]

What’s wrong with 6b46

[acoustic harbor]

It's a shitty ass platecarrier

I hate it so much

takes everything good from the 6B45 and yeets it out the window

[frigid geyser]

well in terms of plate i just have custom ordered ceramic ones from China, NIJ4 rated

although didn't really test it with 7.62 nato ap rounds

[royal pebble]

say that again, but slowly

china…. NIJ IV….

i somehow wouldn’t trust my life with a chinese plate lmao

but if it works for you it works

hopefully u don’t get duped or something

[left flax]

Cringe bathroom pic
But the 6b45 is covered in pouches now, inconvenient yes

Got a hot temp game tomorrow, so looking forward to sweating my ass off with the lmg too

[crimson prism]

this pic goes hard

[left flax]

Thank

[crimson prism]

can i screenshot

[left flax]

Yes you may

[crimson prism]

this will go right in my collection of hard going pics

[left flax]

🙏 🔥

[royal pebble]

can you do this same picture but posing with something ridiculous

like a lamp

or a car tire

[left flax]

I'm going to a game tomorrow, I can get one just for you

Maybe an Easter egg

[royal pebble]

epic thank you

[frigid geyser]

funny enough china is one of the largest bulletproof equipment provider in the world lol

but yeah, knew a company that made plates for the PLA that also did civilian orders as those things are unregulated in China

and just directly ordered with them, was able to do a ballistic test at my unit range

the plate did stop 7.62x54r fmj ball, and 5.8 ap round

the place i was didnt have any 7.62 ap to see whether its actually 3 or 4

but yeah no, serious company, not some aliexpress shit

[modest flame]

I need to readjust my helmet cover

[crimson prism]

this pic goes hard can i screenshot

[modest flame]

Of course

[crimson prism]

I will add it to my collection

[low fox]

me importing armor from China into Europe that follows American ballistic rating standards

[frigid geyser]

well, it technically followed the chinese national standard and rated GA6, NIJ IV was just a comparison to make it easier to understand. and well, was in china the entire time anyhow, so no import or export i guess lol

[radiant glade]

laws are strict? move

[crimson prism]

doesnt go hard

wont screenshot

[modest flame]

Why u holding it like that

[crimson prism]

pic goes kind of hard but not enough to screenshot

[worthy heart]

[crimson prism]

this pic goes hard can i screenshot

[real sigil]

Singapore patch

🤔

[modest flame]

Singapore

Dumbass

[low fox]

incorrect flag

return to colonial

[acoustic harbor]

what's is it rated specifcally

[frigid geyser]

Chinese national standard GA6, effectively should stop a 7.62x54r steel core from a type 85

[acoustic harbor]

what Steel core

there are like 4 quintillion steel core 54Rs

[visual rune]

don't know if i would trust chinese ballistic standards

sus

[acoustic harbor]

even after googleing I'm just seeing steel plates for like 50 to 100 bucks

[royal pebble]

personally i would only buy american or european

hopefully chinese plates work out

[frigid geyser]

well, a type 53 so effectively LPS ? not AP,

but well, did do a test on the plates before wearing it, so yeah

[acoustic harbor]

just guessing is not a good plate lmao

wouldn't buy a shitty plate from chinesium either way

[vale charm]

Hello everyone! 👋
I have a bit of a question for those of you that buy optics for your firearms.

• What is the reason for you to buy a specific optic?

• What choices did you make in the process and what research did you go through to select that / those specific one(s)

• Did you buy it in a local store or online?
If online what information did you wish were available there?
What kind of information are you looking for when you buy an optic online?

Id love if you could help me with this as it would really help me! :🤝
Feel free to DM me if you dont wanna post it out public for any reason.

[acoustic harbor]

1st. would've been a better place to ask #irl-weapons
2nd. You buy an optic that fits your needs Holos/Reddots for close range, LPVO/Prisms like an Elcan for short to mid range and scopes for longer ranges. If you're looking for a specifc optic you should buy online cuz store checking is annoying af. And checking reviews from people who had it generally isn't a bad idea

Elcans

[royal pebble]

the elcan is a good optic but nobody wants to keep it

it has just enough cons to make it worth selling and getting something else

but just enough pros to make it relevant in 2022

[plush topaz]

What a strange, overly official series of questions.

[royal pebble]

1. intention of use, distance shooting, night shooting, urban areas, casual shooting etc

2. checking with popular and trained shooters on youtube, instagram, or otherwise to see what their preferred brands are, as well as checking what the most trusted brands are in the industry

checking with friends or the gun community in general to see the opinions formed on certain brands and models

3. bought at physical store if possible to see it in person, get a feel for the weight and controls etc, but online if necessary

[plush topaz]

Just buy what all the IG influencers use for maximum like potential

[royal pebble]

do no prior research, if somebody popular likes it then it must be good

[plush topaz]

Exactly. This guy gets it.

[acoustic harbor]

I would keep it if I had one

[royal pebble]

i would rather get an LPVO, if rail space is at a premium and i still want a magnifiable optic i'd just run a magnifier

[acoustic harbor]

depends on what

Rifle or DMR

LPVO

MG a Elcan

[royal pebble]

yea elcan on an MG is the move

but this one :)

[plush topaz]

Canada

[royal pebble]

team canada

i live in BC lol

[plush topaz]

Toronto

[royal pebble]

ew.

at least its not quebec i guess

[plush topaz]

Don’t be jealous.

It’s ok

[acoustic harbor]

this is the move

[plush topaz]

Holy fuck. My eyes can’t handle that drip

[royal pebble]

PKP is a pretty chad gun, its got nothing on the 240 though

[acoustic harbor]

it does tho

Lighter

heavier barrel

54R

[royal pebble]

thats true, but dripwise

M240 will always have that fallujah vibe

[plush topaz]

I love the fn mag. Carried one for a year and a half

[acoustic harbor]

true true

but for practical use i prefer the russian PK family

especially the PKP

[royal pebble]

the original PKM is just so awkward to carry

since theres no real handguard to hold it by

[acoustic harbor]

you don't need one tbh

[plush topaz]

Nobody holds those guns by the handguard when they fire

[acoustic harbor]

most hold it by the mag

/box

[royal pebble]

yeah thats why its awkward lmfao

[plush topaz]

If you fire it standing you’re holding the bipod

[acoustic harbor]

PKM yes

PKP no

as the PKP moved it to the muzzle

[plush topaz]

Pkp looks way more ergonomic

[acoustic harbor]

it is

[royal pebble]

this is hot though ngl

[acoustic harbor]

it is

[royal pebble]

literally hot and figuratively hot

[acoustic harbor]

no

[plush topaz]

But you’d have to be super man to fire a gun like that standing and holding it up to your eyes

[acoustic harbor]

it only weighs 8.7 kilos unloaded

like 10 loaded

[plush topaz]

Lol. ONLY

[royal pebble]

ive seen a lot of insurgents do it, mostly with mixed results lmfao

[acoustic harbor]

that's little for a GPMG

[plush topaz]

Sounds great on paper

Carry it for 3 days on patrol

See how you feel

[royal pebble]

weight is kinda relative for an MG tbh

[vale charm]

Its for a project im working on 🙂

[acoustic harbor]

just said for a GPMG, it's a lot in general

[royal pebble]

M249 SAW >>>>>

infinite drip

infinite

idc that theyre two different types of gun

[acoustic harbor]

I think we have one in my school saw it the last time i saw the gun cart

[royal pebble]

what tf kinda school do you go to

[acoustic harbor]

Firearms engineering

[royal pebble]

ah

i was thinking you were talking about highschool loil

[acoustic harbor]

it is

lmao

[royal pebble]

well thats interesting

[acoustic harbor]

and you have mandatory shooting "lessons" in the first year

well the government does take it lightly here

[royal pebble]

ahh youre in austria

makes more sense

thought u were in the US or some shit

[acoustic harbor]

nah nah

[royal pebble]

StG.77 tho

[vale charm]

This is very helpful!
Thank you so much Mauser. It helps a ton in trying to figure things out. (Just wanna be clear this isnt because im looking for an optic)

[royal pebble]

one of my favourite bullpups

[royal pebble]

no problem lol

what is your project about?

[acoustic harbor]

I have a hard time deciding between a kochevnik 105 and the STG 77 A2 Kommando

[royal pebble]

i have a photo of a replicated Austrian setup that i regularly wank to

its an airsoft build, and i want an AUG because of this

[vale charm]

Helping beginners aswell as advanced users (Competition, LEO/MIL) find an optic that suits them

[acoustic harbor]

A2 Kommando

[vale charm]

Not a store just all the information they need in 1 place

[acoustic harbor]

but the cut for a tac-switch is missing

[royal pebble]

oh cool! we definitely need more guides like that, a lot of people make uninformed purchases and regret it in the future, or dont know where to look in the first place

[royal pebble]

in the grip?

[vale charm]

@royal pebble Yeah its hard to find genuine unbiased info tbh

[acoustic harbor]

og A2 Kommando

[royal pebble]

and yea this AUG setup is definitely how i would build any airsoft AUG i bought, it would be drip as fuck and probably pretty heavy but i need it

[vale charm]

"Vortex just sent me these to try out"
"Trijicon just helped me with my optic choice by giving me these"

[royal pebble]

this video is sponsored by olight

i prefer shooters videos where its just like, talking about the rifle setup and he just passively mentions the optic on the rifle

[acoustic harbor]

Vortex I heard break easily

imho the best beginner optic for most sectors is a EoTech E/XPS-3 or Vudu

[vale charm]

I mean at the end of the day I would love to be sent optics for free but if i ever am gonna treat it the same as things i bought my self.

[royal pebble]

that or an Aimpoint

[vale charm]

Vortex has great customer service.

[acoustic harbor]

the Zenitco Vzors are also very promising

very resilient

the Vzor-2 even has a built in IR and visible laser

[royal pebble]

Vzor means review, so if somebody did a Vzor review it would be a review review

[acoustic harbor]

they did it already, the best thing about it is that it even has all possible mounts in the box

[royal pebble]

lmfao hell yeah

[royal pebble]

yeah i saw this

i appreciate how many accessories it comes with

[acoustic harbor]

Zenitco doesn't dissapoint

[acoustic harbor]

as well as Fort doesn't

[royal pebble]

only con is that theyre pro russian invasion

they posted this on their insta lmao

[acoustic harbor]

they have to be lmao

[royal pebble]

yea so fucc em

[acoustic harbor]

if they are not they hardly getting contracts

[royal pebble]

yea thats true

[acoustic harbor]

I love how fort doesn't have any social media

based company

[royal pebble]

embrace tradition, be a company that spreads only through word of mouth

[acoustic harbor]

and through word of reliability and drip

they don't have a FSB, SSO and SVR contract without a reason

[royal pebble]

i have Wartech gear, i love most of it to bits

a lot of it is just ripoff American stuff tho like the mag pouches, so i didnt buy those, and i just bought HSGIs instead

[acoustic harbor]

As nobody posts gear I will

[royal pebble]

the cock protector

[plush topaz]

That actually doesn't indicate a support for the war

[acoustic harbor]

nut guard

[plush topaz]

Rather support for the troops

Which you'd do even in an unjust war

Like Canadian involvement in Afghanistan for example

[royal pebble]

i suppose so

[plush topaz]

Pointless worthless waste of time

But we gotta back the boys and girls

[royal pebble]

the Z symbol has a lot more of a meaning though

like a hidden meaning i suppose

[plush topaz]

It can be interpreted many ways yes.

At the end of the day it is just an FOF symbol

[acoustic harbor]

it's a regian indicator

Z is russian side, and Z in rectangle has a specifc meaning i forgot, O is Belarus, V is Crimea - where the troops came from

as far as we know tbh

[royal pebble]

yeah

but a lot of people use the Z symbol to show their support for the Russian war effort

such as pricks

[plush topaz]

Yes

But anyway

More blurred face action

[royal pebble]

epic pews

i mostly have airsoft guns so i dont really post pics lmfao

real gear tho

[plush topaz]

Hey I don't mind as long as you don't try to pass it off as real or superior

The guns that is

[royal pebble]

nah airsoft is better 😎

yea jokes

[left flax]

@royal pebble
There's the pics I promised you

[royal pebble]

fuck yeah

the RF has an energy drink sponsor, i knew it

[left flax]

I got a ton more that I will post when I get home

[royal pebble]

lmfao thanks

[left flax]

Fr, that's what funds our picatinny aks with no options

Optics*

[royal pebble]

is this at an airsoft field or a milsim event?

[left flax]

Thought this was kinda pog

[left flax]

Just a field, there aren't many milsim in Scotland

[royal pebble]

unfortunate

in Canada theres like two milsim events in the country

theyre both young and still developing

[left flax]

Better than none I suppose lol
Attend them, get them the roll they need

[royal pebble]

Russian kits look great, not very practical, but they do look good

[left flax]

Yeah, I was sweating in near 20c heat with a 9ish KG 6b45

Not the mention the ak is weighty too

Gotta do it for the drip though

[royal pebble]

airsoft AKs have a lot of weight to them

the gearbox inside weighs more than the real rifle internals

[plush topaz]

Need a red wrap

Blue is Ukraine 😎

[royal pebble]

my airsoft field switched to blue and yellow armbands this month

[naive maple]

theres literally an airsoft channel

[plush topaz]

Oh shut

[royal pebble]

irl-cock

[royal pebble]

i do not care and will continue to post airsoft related matters in both channels

he’s using real gear anyways so

beat that

[plush topaz]

Hmm

I'd have to search my historical artifact photos from ancient times

[royal pebble]

how long ago was your service

1962? old ass

[plush topaz]

2006-2009

[royal pebble]

that’ll do it

[plush topaz]

There's a photo of me somewhere with a spike missile

[royal pebble]

the above picture isn’t even me, just so we are clear

[left flax]

I was on blue team today

[royal pebble]

i have 25mm rounds and inert grenades

goat with da Stugna

[crimson prism]

both these pics go hard can i screenshot

this pic goes hard may i screenshot

[left flax]

Yes

[crimson prism]

Thank you

[plush topaz]

Lol sure

[crimson prism]

Thank you

[compact dagger]

Old spike or the newer ones ?

[plush topaz]

What's the difference

I definitely wasn't using a spike NLOS. They're bigger than me

[compact dagger]

mostly the weight, but newer ones can fully utilize the new rockets iirc

basically this is old system

this is newer

still a bitch to use

especially deploy and take off

reminds me that at work we should design a better place to put it in

than in the original backpack

because if you need to leave asap after the shot and no time to reload then putting it in the backpack could be your demise

[plush topaz]

Older then

They weren't hard to set up

[royal pebble]

the Russian TOWs are pretty handy

theyre half as large as the American ones

and can be fired from a low cover position

[compact dagger]

maybe i misworded it, they are not hard to set up, but they are annoying to get out of the carrybag

since tripod loves to get caught on something, and you shouldn't take the system out before the tripod

but if you need to go and shoot a rocket real quick and then fuck off from there you can use it without the tripod

but its gonna be uncomfortable

[plush topaz]

Only thing that took time was cooling the fire Control

[compact dagger]

idk maybe you had different bags for those then

or maybe the old sys had better bags

idk

came here and we had the newer ones

[compact dagger]

you mean the thermal channel ?

since afaik for these ones only cooling you need is to use thermals

[plush topaz]

Yes

[plush topaz]

We didn't really have bags. They were just strapped to a frame with back straps lol

[compact dagger]

ah

well since your country makes/repairs them its fine

but for us that would earn us assrape with a cactus

[plush topaz]

This is just a training one but yeah

[acoustic harbor]

Jav?

[plush topaz]

Spike

Better than jav

[acoustic harbor]

better charges?

or more range

[plush topaz]

It's a Gen 4 missile

Jav is 3

Spike you can course correct the entire flight time

[royal pebble]

theyre deployed differently too i think, idk if you can fire the spike from the shoulder

oops nvm you can

[plush topaz]

You can

[acoustic harbor]

damn

I'm still in the Gen 1 probably, you aim missle and it goes there

[plush topaz]

Ya you can watch YouTube videos of us flying them into windows

Camera on the nose

And the spike NLOS has a range of 40km

[acoustic harbor]

bruh then you don't even have to do anything anymore

except maybe correct course

no math on the trajectory etc.

or where the vehicle will be on hit

[plush topaz]

There is soome stuff involved. I never took the course for them though.

But yeah you fly it in like a video game

[acoustic harbor]

reject modern missle systems, embrace simple rocket launchers

[plush topaz]

https://youtu.be/XjAJPST5_MQ

Go to 1:50

This was when we declassified it. But we've been using it since the 70's

[royal pebble]

jesus

[royal pebble]

embrace M72 LAW

[plush topaz]

Or RPG 18, 22, and 26