irl-gear

[low fox]

and you're just gonna get outmaneuvered and hosed to death

[acoustic harbor]

not really

it's a flap of kevlar

[low fox]

im not specifically referencing a dick flap

[acoustic harbor]

plate kinda stupod

[low fox]

i've never needed one though so i'm not concerned about it either

it only stops frag

and IEDs are still debilitating anyway

[acoustic harbor]

Pistol rounds too

[burnt ocean]

What if you, in vermont, NEED to go urban, need to go somewhere urban for supplies? Would you rather not wear a PC?

Would you rather not have it?

Is that unlikely?

Maybe not you personally but someone

[low fox]

if we mean me personally

i would never ever set foot in an urban area

to begin with

and if someone is smart

[burnt ocean]

Someone less prepared

[acoustic harbor]

I rather wear a fucking thiccboy vest in a city cuz fuck frag and fuck pistol users, I'm not taking any chances

[low fox]

they'll abandon an urban area immediately

[burnt ocean]

But like i said, if you had to.

[low fox]

if you have to?

sure

[burnt ocean]

For something urgent

[low fox]

but things would have to be pretty bad

for you to have to go to an urban area

and i would never EVER do it alone

so let me rephrase

[acoustic harbor]

having people you can trust is really a big positive in that situation

[low fox]

if i'm entering a high traffic area with a likelihood of things becoming kinetic in a way i cannot easily escape from

sure, drop on the carrier

[burnt ocean]

So its good to have options

[low fox]

but putting yourself in that position to begin with is incredibly stupid

[burnt ocean]

There are some things you can't control

Not everything goes according to plan lmao

[low fox]

there's very few reason i can think of that would require a trek into a city to begin with

[acoustic harbor]

would be looted immeadiatly too

[low fox]

it's like the most dangerous possible place you could be in any situation of civil unrest and disaster

[burnt ocean]

I dont disagree

[low fox]

but anyway, yeah if you're in an urban area it makes sense to have a carrier

not like you have anywhere to go

odds are you'll have to fight it out

and odds are higher you're gonna fuckin' die in the process

especially cause in any SHTF any wound becomes exponentially more fatal because of the lack of care facilities

and a shortage of medicine

a flesh wound could quite literally end up killing you because of how difficult it would be to properly treat it

there's lots of what ifs, but what is most likely is that people will evacuate the cities

[acoustic harbor]

Would you recommend stocking up on meds then?

[low fox]

and be avoiding each other in the outskirts

medical supplies, food, clean water

learn how to survive in the woods

i mean really survive

[acoustic harbor]

bushcraft n shit?

[low fox]

yes

bushcraft is quite literally one of the most important things to any civil unrest or disaster

you are ahead of 90% of the population if you understand how to survive off the land

hell, i'd say 99% even

people are gonna band together and form communities too though

[acoustic harbor]

fr? I though bushcraft was now one of teh bigger parts in the whole boogaloo community

[low fox]

being able to survive off of the most plentiful resource we have is pretty damn important

people obsess over plate carriers and CQB but that's not gonna save them if shit gets bad

majority of deaths will be starvation and disease

[acoustic harbor]

but I doubt most will have the capacity to like deal with every sickness

[low fox]

well it's not gonna be every sickness

not right away

eventually maybe

but if the majority of the population is properly innoculated

most of the really bad diseases wont be an issue until the next generation is born

and there were ways of vaccination prior to modern medicine anyway

so maybe not even then

the diseases i mean are like

dysentary

diseases from eating bad food and drinking dirty water

[acoustic harbor]

vaccines gonna cause a problem, you're right about that

[low fox]

infections

etc

i could go on about this all day tbh

i've been to more SERE, urban recce, urban survival and other courses than i can count

never had to use most of it but some of that shit is eye opening

[acoustic harbor]

Very impressed

just gotta know if they have some stuff like that here, but I doubt that, I live in the center of fucking europe, why should anyone like think about this stuff except the military

[burnt ocean]

Eh when you have putin knocking at your door..

[acoustic harbor]

hows the relationship between russia and finland though?

[burnt ocean]

Decent now but there is certainly more tension now with us possibly joining NATO

They really do not like that idea

[acoustic harbor]

yes

the whole Nato thing was also part of the Ukraine shenanigans that is going on sicne the last 7-8 years

well NATO didn't keep their word

tbh

[mossy obsidian]

Yeah, lone wolfing it just isnt going to work for 99% of people

[low fox]

ayyoo elcan chads where you at

[hushed ether]

those are words said by dudes shot in the noggin

[low fox]

Super duty 16 Surefire brake and warden plus elcan and surefire m600

[nocturne venture]

New carrier came in today:)

[sudden depot]

ah

micro plates

[low fox]

some of ya'll love a ton of patches on your shit for reasons i cannot comprehend

that also seems like a very awkward mag to access on one side

[nocturne venture]

It works well for me but yea I understand not the best place but no where else to put it so

[slim flint]

his people and our people are not the same

[true lotus]

son where are your meds and TQs?

[slim flint]

He's practically dead tbh

[nocturne venture]

I know I know I’m working on it that shits expensive at 16

[slim flint]

you're only 16? You use this shit for airsoft or what?

There's no war going on for a 16 year old last I checked. Stay in school, please.

[nocturne venture]

Yea but I’m getting plates and Saving up for all of it, got nothing else to spend my money on

[slim flint]

Buy a car

[nocturne venture]

Wasn’t planning on going to war just like that stuff and I do good in school but Ight

Already have one

[slim flint]

What you got?

[nocturne venture]

Tacoma 2017

[slim flint]

I'm asking you what you got not what the bank of M&D got

[true lotus]

This is all you need. Good knife, TQ pouch, ifak behind and some mag pouches

[nocturne venture]

Yea I’ll get a hanger for one of my TQ then another on my belt rig and some other meds on my belt as well

[slim flint]

Good, I am happy for you.

[low fox]

no no go to war, builds character

[true lotus]

but i like that you're slim in the front, a lot of dudes double stack and can't lay down

[nocturne venture]

Got a 4.0 gpa, girlfriend for a year, car, job, this ain’t everything I have

[slim flint]

true

[nocturne venture]

Pretty much it’s a work in progress I just got it today

[true lotus]

its fun too

[low fox]

i did it at 19, you can do it too 🚬

[slim flint]

he's only 16 such a young man

[nocturne venture]

Yup

[low fox]

you know, once you get your rocks off on your teenage fantasies

there's a whole let less to do

lot*

[slim flint]

yeah

[nocturne venture]

Oh well

[low fox]

😔

[nocturne venture]

Life’s short

[low fox]

aint that the truth

[nocturne venture]

See if a piece of paper gets me a decent job and hope I don’t become a failure:)

[low fox]

See collage is a means to an end. Its shite if you dont know what you wanna do.

[acoustic harbor]

don't, wear them on belt or front, on the side they're just a pain to relaod

maybe get a shingle for a radio if you have a ptt

and having mags on right side is pretty shit if you're not lefthanded shooter

[devout bone]

Yeah

I am guilty of this too

but they look cool

and funny

[devout bone]

nice carrier

[nocturne venture]

Thank ya

[tame spire]

anyone here who has a SAPI (Large) insert, as a quick query; hom impeding is it to wear?, would you wear something slightly heavier if it afforded you considerably more protection?

[obtuse olive]

Made something today

[stoic herald]

I wonder if I could get a customizable credit card to look like a labs card

[stoic herald]

That is my ultimate goal now for when I get a credit card

[low fox]

Wear whatever is properly your size and hit the gym. After you cover your vitals, mobility is 100% more important. If you can’t walk anymore after jogging around in your kit for 5 minutes you’re gonna get flanked and die. A superior firing position beats armor any day. Buy triple curve for the comfort aspect.

[tame spire]

this isn't something i am lookin to to buy, i want to know if people who have worn the large size (because that is the largest size i think they do and hence the heaviest to wear) if it is comfortable enough to move around in, and would they wear something heavier if it increased the level of protection afforded

[low fox]

Again, the answer is wear what is your size (http://www.bulletproofme.com/Rifle-Plate-Sizing.htm), buy triple curved for comfort, and no, don’t wear heavier unless you’re in incredible shape and plan on some sort of direct assault.

[tame spire]

thanks for the information, not really what im after or asking, but thanks i guess

[low fox]

To give you some context, find any pictures of jsoc guys, 90% of the time they’re running little more than chest plates opposed to full interceptor kit normal GI’s use. The best of the best sacrifice armor for mobility, that should tell you something

[tame spire]

this doesnt have anything to do with the question i asked im afraid.

[low fox]

It does. If you’re not covering your vitals, up your plate size. If you are, any more plate size is likely going to do more harm.

[tame spire]

is this a bot account? please re-read the origional question.

the inital question is about the Insert

not the rig or anything else

[copper sphinx]

“what’s the comfortability of a large SAPI?”

“go to the gym”

yep

[tame spire]

you do have to love the answers the internet gives

[copper sphinx]

from what i’ve seen, they’re about 8.5lbs for a large. i imagine if you’re wearing both front and back plates it could be a bit heavy

17 lbs on a plate carrier is a bit

[tame spire]

standard issue for the US military, though i am not from the US

and im doing some work on applied ballisitcs on materials

hence why im curious if, presented with an insert the same dimensions as a SAPI plate, would an individual wear it were it slightly heavier but afforded considerably more protection

bearing in mind the individual would be in good physical condition

[copper sphinx]

certain plates offer similar protections, but i’m not sure about weight. i imagine if you go around websites and look at reviews you could find your answers

[tame spire]

i did just that and the reviews vary greatly, from people who have gotten plates but have been unfit enough that they would struggle to do a march in them, all the way to people who are seriously fit and are most likely in peak physical condition to which it doesn't bother them

[copper sphinx]

good luck with your work, hope you find your answers

[tame spire]

indeed, thanks for actually giving information relevant to the question asked

[low fox]

fuck no

[low fox]

actually, yes

plates tend to be more comfortable for males who are well built

why would I limit my mobility and die just so I can have more perceived protection

not to mention I'll never need to make that decision anyway

my plates are under 5 pounds with the capability to stop B32 API

ESAPIs from later generations are 5 pounds and can stop multiple hits of M2AP, M995 and other nasty shit

so far, better armors have gotten lighter, not heavier, so if the cost of "more protection" is a significant weight penalty, no, I don't think I will

[tame spire]

it was never going to be a significant weight penalty, a Pound at most. ultimately the main objective is material deformation and energy dispersion.

[acoustic harbor]

large sapis, 8.5, you fucking wear steel?

[acoustic harbor]

XSAPI?

[worthy heart]

Apex gun parts is released a set of plate carriers tomorrow

[cinder stream]

Chicom pouches kek

[low fox]

no

LTC 25895

standalones

XSAPIs are like 7 pounds

[low fox]

what's there to think about lol, the big composites in the game are alumina carbide, boron carbide, silicone carbide, and UHMWPE

all those materials have their cost and benefits to them

and people have already tried basically everything

[tame spire]

this has nothing to do with tarkov

[low fox]

what does tarkov have to do with the main armor composites in the armor industry

i dont even play tarkov anymore

[tame spire]

that'll be why there is a bunch of money being pumped into material sciences in the defence sector then

[low fox]

already happened

there are plates made 20 years ago that people today still don't have the means to reproduce

very similarly to warhammer 40k if you think about it

[tame spire]

you just started your sentence with 'the big composites in the game are....'

[tame spire]

such as?

[low fox]

you do know "the game" is in reference to the industry, rather than tarkov, right?

anyway

[tame spire]

i am aware, but given we are in a tarkov discord, i assumed you were referencing tarkov

[low fox]

there's a couple Ceradyne plates out there that are rated for safe stoppage of rounds like .50 threats

and those were made eh..

20 years ago?

[tame spire]

a .50 from what....

[low fox]

dunno

the velocity specifications are classified

[tame spire]

well there in lies the question

it wont be for a .50 BMG

that is the million dollar plate right there

[low fox]

no, because we don't test our plates for US made ammos

a russian .50 specification ammunition type

what do you mean "it wont be"

[tame spire]

oh...

[low fox]

the hell it won't

[tame spire]

it'll probably be a low-powder round

[low fox]

unlikely

like i said

the specifications are classified

these were made for special missions units

they don't play games with those plates

anything you could possibly do

has probably already been done with materials that exist

so unless you're making a new material entirely

[tame spire]

i mean it wont be for a .50 round designed to be chambered in a rifle, or if it is, it will have less powder behind it

[low fox]

?

you think they'd make a plate for a special missions unit

for a .50 caliber ammunition type out of anything but a rifle?

do you realize how much money they spend on dudes like that?

[tame spire]

for a pistol maybe....and a pistol round will typically have less powder behind it

making it slower and less likely to penetrate

[low fox]

ur smoking dick if you think that

pistol rounds do not have a penetrator that is significant enough in any margin to warrant making a specific plate to stop it

they never have, and they never will

ever

it's the reason PDWs are completely insignificant

[tame spire]

your asking for an opinion based on pure speculation

:l

[low fox]

i'm not asking for your opinion

i'm telling you what exists

[tame spire]

right then, point me to a plate that stops a .50 from a rifle

[low fox]

no one is going to wear an 8 pounds plate because there's better plates for lighter

[tame spire]

find me the plate

and the round it is listed to stop

because saying 'this plate can stop a .50' is a very broad and most likely bullshit statement

now, you can have a chunk of metal that stops the round itself

[low fox]

this guy

[spring oar]

I think Safelife has a .50 plate?

[low fox]

nah this is some spicy stuff

[tame spire]

but the energy transfer jellifies the person behind it

[low fox]

think it was called the ceradyne AA4?

he is unable to comprehend that such a plate could exist

because he has no idea the depth of this topic

which, for someone who's doing research into material science is amusing

you'd think at the very least he'd be aware what's at the sharpest tippy top of the spear if he's going to try and research the bottom of it

8 pounds for a military armor system, at least for a modern country, is atrocious

civilian manufacturers can do better than that, and they don't have anywhere near the full backing it takes to research them

[spring oar]

Starlite armor plates when?

[low fox]

idk

but seriously

dudes like him are a hoot to speak to

thATS a VEry bRoAd sTaTmenT

hmm

i wonder if it's because the exact threat is classified

lmao

i wonder if when you make a plate for the most well funded and lethal killers on the face of the planet

you'd want to keep the exact maximum specifications under wraps so people don't find out and fucking kill them with some crazy ass shit

these guys are multi million dollar assets per person

anyway

i digress

there's a whole lot of crazy ass plates out there

[spring oar]

.50 M2 Incen stopped by a Safelife vest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxyJRGxWN0k&ab_channel=EdwinSarkissian

Yeup.

[low fox]

yeah and what's crazy is that that's what a chineseum company like safelife can produce

[spring oar]

Why was dragon scale discontinued? Apparently it was really good but I haven't heard anything about it in like a decade

[low fox]

dragonscale?

delamination issues under high temps

[tame spire]

the discrepancy isn't that something can't 'stop' the actual round

the enrgy transferred kills you

[low fox]

except it doesn[t

because that's not how spook plates work

they are the tip top of material research and science

if it was understood that they would kill you stopping the round

[tame spire]

the tip top is currently CMF's

[low fox]

they would not be produced

[spring oar]

Ohhhh, ok, I see now.

[tame spire]

which are still being researched

[low fox]

doubt x50

if you know about it

it isn't the tip top

tell you that right fuckin' now

we only know about some of these plates cause spooks talked about them

[spring oar]

just put a ooblek pouch between you and the plate

ezpz

[low fox]

and they are, like i said, almost 20 years old

and not a single example has ever made its way into the hands of anyway who would ever admit it

anyone*

they are almost certainly destroyed upon leaving service

and it's more than likely that they've since been updated/upgraded because they're pretty old and it's been a long time since then

if you really want to be at the top of armor development

you'd better start looking into getting yourself a green card

and a security clearance while you're at it

god i could cum talking about this

no one has ever been able to replicate ceradyne's enriched boron carbide formula for plates that we're actually aware of

and the weight penalty for such delectable beefiness was only 6 pounds

like my plates can do M993 and B32 API at 5 pounds

but the kind of stuff they're talking about existing out there?

🥶

anyway, no, nobody wants an 8 pound plate

whatever protection is offered couldn't possibly justify the mobility tradeoff

unless you're a gunner or something who isn't moving anywhere but out of the gunner's hatch

[tame spire]

you say that, yet these types of systems are still bought

[low fox]

by penny pinchers and people with no better options sure

[tame spire]

also @spring oar Dragon scale was discontinued because it was unreliable

[low fox]

i mean, it is better than nothing

[echo jay]

what plates?

[low fox]

LTC 25895

Gen V SOCOM plates

there's a less than overt version as well

I forgot how thin it is

if i ever draw some again i'll measure them out

[tame spire]

ah yes, the penny pinching US military with $600 Bn....

[low fox]

there is not a single plate

in our inventory

that weighs 8 pounds

not one

[tame spire]

oh plate no

[low fox]

aside from MAYBE large XSAPIs

[tame spire]

armour system.....

the IOTV is 30 pounds

[low fox]

yeah and the total IOTV system includes front plates

back plates

side plates

deltoid protectors

groin protectors

and in between all of that

[tame spire]

well yes...when your going to be shot you dont half ass it

[low fox]

a shit ton of kevlar

those were for getting blown up

not shot at

the biggest single threat to troops wasn't a bullet

it was IEDs

it's the entire reason the IOTV and IBA were conceived

we got to iraq, and when we uparmored our humvees and boys

they started blowing us up

and they started blowing us up a shit ton

[tame spire]

certain LAYERS were conceived due to the IED threat

even without some of the blast plates

IOTV is a heavy rig

[low fox]

the coverage of the system was literally specifically to mitigate IED threats

lol

which is why the guys who were hitting houses

and kicking in doors

the statistically highest probability of getting shot

were not wearing IOTVs once the SOFLCS system dropped

they were all wearing vests with significantly less coverage that offered more mobility

it covered vitals that would be fatal if shot

[tame spire]

because there was then an alternative

[low fox]

and just about nothing else

[tame spire]

also we are a little off topic, and no small part of that is my doing

materials wise, the metal isnt the concern

[low fox]

metal?

yikes

if i wanted shrapnel in my dick

[tame spire]

yes metal

not steel

[echo jay]

did someone say spalling

[low fox]

i'd go stop on a bomb or something

all metals spall

you cannot stop metal from jetting projectiles everywhere when it's hit

[tame spire]

metal with optimal ductility greatly reduces chances of that

[low fox]

all you can do is add layers to stop it from hitting you and killing the fuck out of you

[tame spire]

you can, you need layers of spectra, kevlar and other soft materials.

but that makes the actual insert more bulky

[low fox]

how does that stop it from jetting metals everywhere

literally all that does is prevent it from jetting into your body

it doesn't stop the projectiles from being jetted out themselves

there's a reason metal armors are not used by anyone but eastern bloc countries with no money

Oh we doing the autocircumcision argument again?

the only metal armor i've ever witnessed 1st world nato countries using were the plates i had in the DR

and those were specifically for concealment

they wouldn't stop rifle rounds, and they wouldn't not spall, but they were so thin that they were virtually invisible under regular clothing

[tame spire]

No, the name of the fabric escapes me, but the design is that it catches the round, so the round impacts, deforms, turns into fragments and is caught within the insert itself, im not saying it's ideal, but it is a method, albeit precarious

[low fox]

putting an armor system on someone that has the potential to kill them is ethically wrong in every aspect

But why at that point run steel

those plates i mentioned in particular were titanium, not steel

though they do have a steel counterpart

the point being

the only reason they were used at all

[tame spire]

titanium is more ideal than steel

[low fox]

I know lmt. Talking to him

[tame spire]

more expensive though

[low fox]

is because its just about impossible to get a plate thinner than a steel plate

[tame spire]

why indeed.

[low fox]

anyway

the plates were not what made the IOTV system so heavy

the additional soft armor and bulk were

ESAPIs, by revision G were only around 5.5 pounds

for a medium

[tame spire]

agreed.

[low fox]

once moved to newer generation carries, the weight reduced significantly

carriers*

and revision G's have been around for over a decade

so why would anyone with an option to do otherwise want a heavier plate

[tame spire]

the interesting material being looked at is a variety of CMF's

[low fox]

Oh yes the original IOTV and IBAs with point blank armor.

especially in a military setting

[tame spire]

the splintering is a major issue though

[low fox]

i doubt high end plates will leave boron carbide for a long time

[tame spire]

Carbon nanotubes lokk incredibly promising

but the manufacturing of them is expensive

VERY expensive

also fullerines

[low fox]

yeah, i know

[tame spire]

fullerines are curious

[low fox]

the plates i get issued are 2000 dollars per unit

and these plates, while impressive, certainly aren't the best ones out there

[tame spire]

there was an interesting paper on rebound kinetics and application in body armour

a little dubious

but a good read

[low fox]

so much research, so many possibilites

still no concrete productions

😔

[tame spire]

its expensive ☹️

[low fox]

doesn't bother me, i dont pay for this shit

[tame spire]

software we use to model it is somewhat gatekept as well

[low fox]

yeah for a reason

[tame spire]

which is really unhelpful

and research is unfortunately not shared

[low fox]

that's what happens when you're in an industry where the greatest advancements were made by government entities who use them to conduct warfare

they become military secrets

[tame spire]

which means you get 8 or so different groups spending money on the same thing, reaching te same conclusions

[tame spire]

im talking about private.

[low fox]

those private companies are the ones getting contracted

[tame spire]

which is worse

they become corporate secrets

[low fox]

yeah, but primarily due to the fact that if you make a breakthrough for your nation or whatever

and the information is released

a round that can defeat it will be produced within the year

[tame spire]

yea of course

also, especially for the armour sector, it pays (literally) to not innovate

[low fox]

corporate secret sure, but moreso, a government kept secret i'd say

the research is probably pretty heavily regulated and classified, i know it is here

[tame spire]

its not here

are you US based?

[low fox]

yeah

[tame spire]

that is where things differ

Private sector in body armour purchase is big

and you have people willing to pay considerably more

and if your a smart corporate mogul, you make a plate for the military, stamp Military-issue or Military-grade, and charge the private sector double

[low fox]

that happens with some US based plates

but once you get to a certain level

they become restricted to government entities only

my plates for example

no private entity can purchase them

[tame spire]

what are they called?

[low fox]

they will only ever be produced for the US government

LTC 25895

something something Gen V Tactical Standalone

but LTC refuses any private sector requests to produce them

.gov only

lots of plates like that

[tame spire]

that is almost certainly due to the contract terms

not the company

furthermore, you WILL be able to buy plates that will be identical in purpose and quality, but they will not be called LTC 25895

it will also be at an extortinate price

i also watched that .50 armour video

that is borderline Product fraud

anyone wearing that whilst being shot at with that round will just keel over and die

[low fox]

ain't contract terms

it's the government

[low fox]

they are restricted by the manufacturer lol

you cannot buy themn

ever

[tame spire]

that's what i mean by 'Contract terms'

the contract they will have will have a clause saying it cannot be produced for any external purchase

its a very common thing

[low fox]

Then that's persisted for every generation of them ever produced

cause they've never been sold after they left service aside from a single overrun that i've seen

[tame spire]

if they are the go-to for government then it really isn't surprising#

H&K are moving that way

[low fox]

yeah but they're losing contracts cause they refuse to innovate

at least over here

armor manufacturers certainly do innovate

because the government, and private markets here are massive

[tame spire]

mmmmmmmmmmm

they do...

the area where innovation is costly and difficult is the absorbant materials

[low fox]

the biggest leaps aren't private sector though

majority are federal

and we don't find out about them until somebody says something

[tame spire]

in terms of research?

ah well

[low fox]

queue the ceradyne AA4's

LTC plates, etc

[tame spire]

US are super restricitve arent they

[low fox]

yeah

for good reason

it's what's kept our armor systems at the top of the food chain internationally

[tame spire]

Private sector is better for R&D for a few reasons

[low fox]

it's not the government spearheading the R&D

they just fund most of it

but the research itself is mostly by private entities

[tame spire]

we are saying the same thing then

[low fox]

what usually happens is that a solicitation will be released

saying "we want this plate to do this"

[tame spire]

Funding is by the by, the actual innovation is done in a private company

[tame spire]

i dont mean to be brash, but this is well known

[low fox]

well yeah

it's the only way new shit gets made

[tame spire]

in literally every industry that involves a 'good'

that being said

a lot of innovation for...well a lot of military stuff is derived from one sector

one verty specific sector

[low fox]

the government is too inefficient to do its own research entirely

[tame spire]

Aerospace.

[tame spire]

look at DARPA lemao

good idea

bad execution

[low fox]

😔

[tame spire]

always the way though, governments can fund but they cannot run

but yea, you find a lot of aerospace material and such finds its way into other sectors

[low fox]

based lockheed martin

[tame spire]

Lockheed martin, BAE

the people at the top of the pyramid

B2 is really something

the engineering that went into that is just spectacular

[tame spire]

refer to previous statement

anyway this has gone off course like a bus being driven by the blind

i sleep

[devout bone]

Anyone have thoughts on the LBT-9022 Blowout pouch?

I just got one and Im already in love with it

[devout bone]

It's really fucking good from what I've used it for
I've stuck a car IFAK in it so it fits about ~20-25 cm long items and around 10 cm wide

It's really simple to use with both belt loops and molle straps

It's got a simple, folding blowout handle that you just pull out to opeb

Using wires to thread through a bunch of loops

It's easy to use and setup

@obsidian wolf

No bounce
Holds tight to my ass

Comfortable

Worth the money imo

[low fox]

its one of the best IFAKs on the market

very simple design

[devout bone]

I am absolutely in love with it

[low fox]

i've had mine for a while now

[low fox]

Hi I’m an ATF agent

Any full auto sbr’s ?

[devout bone]

Uh
This is gear

Go to #irl-weapons

This is all cloth

[river cedar]

Anyone have experience with beofangs?

[acoustic harbor]

solid radios, not high end but they work

[restive ridge]

The man came through and his work is beautiful.

[spice sluice]

@restive ridge how much was this??

[low fox]

hot

[restive ridge]

Finished my cosplay

6b kit with mutant

The gentleman who crafted the wall sign charges a fair price. I can send his contact discord at his permission if anyone wants to know.

[glossy cipher]

Fix flea market prices showing up properly reeeeee

[acoustic harbor]

the fuckin Replica 43

[devout bone]

cool as shit

Ive got a USEC Cosplay thats nearly finished and id love to have one of those

[lean gale]

Where did u get those leds

I kinda want that

[blazing burrow]

makes sense that these lights would cost a bit more. whats the creator asking for it?

[restive ridge]

I found a man on discord who is willing to craft them for a price and ship

(the labs sign)

[mossy obsidian]

How much

[restive ridge]

He has a couple different price range ones depending if you want RGB or not

I asked to buy his sort of deluxe RGB for 250

(his price)

I don't know how he prefers to market himself or advertise so any info swap we could DM

[dusty horizon]

@restive ridge I LOVE it. Mutant is sick too! I am actually placing an order for my own in a few days (Palmetto State's variation as I cannot afford CMMG's.. Dis girl isn't made of that kind of money. 😦 ) Great work!!

[viral plume]

thats fire man

[restive ridge]

@dusty horizon @viral plume thank you i appreciate it a lot !

[night rock]

PSA
🤮

[dusty horizon]

It'll be fine. We can't all be chads.

[spring oar]

You can buy Aero parts and build it yourself, I'm actually almost done with mine

still better than PSA

[nimble hinge]

please let us know how long the psa lasts

[nimble hinge]

aero has a mutant?

[spring oar]

I mean, I'm building a 7.62ar

Only things not Aero are the lower and barrel

[night rock]

you could at least not buy bottom of the barrel trash and go for a good budget option like Aero, we have a build pinned in #irl-weapons

[nimble hinge]

^
its right below all the reasons psa is trash

[spring oar]

it's actually in the middle

It's shit PSA ARs, the Aero build, then shit PSA AKs

[devout bone]

PSA :(

Still good shit
Mutants are cool af

Afaik PSA only has major issues on their AKs
do their ARs also have problemos? @spring oar

[echo jay]

pins in #weapon-modding

their qc is shit

[devout bone]

yeah kaminsky pinged me to see

fucking christ that BCG

[echo jay]

👍

[devout bone]

Tarkov cosplay carrier is finally done

shitty low-res phone :(

[echo jay]

sdrawkcab

[devout bone]

photo from my mirror 😊

[nimble hinge]

are shellback carriers decent?

[devout bone]

yes

very good for the price

[nimble hinge]

thanks for info

[cerulean kayak]

Does anyone actually use their dump pouch?

[devout bone]

Yessir

[acoustic harbor]

when you mostly use 8 mags minimum, yes

[nimble hinge]

if you want to keep a mag, its pretty akward trying to shove it into an empty sleeve. gotta be way worse when under stress

[acoustic harbor]

not that big of a problem if you use Tacos tbh

[severe citrus]

who do you get that off

It looks very similar to mine lol

[vestal pond]

it's very good, as in France I don't shoot much on the move, not really for my real guns, but for airsoft it's very nice

If you want to keep your mags, it saves you a solid 5 seconds on reload

and you can keep your eyes in front when if you were to put it back on the pouch it would need you to check where it is unless you are real used to it lol

[low fox]

no

it's a rangeism tbh

[cerulean kayak]

Honestly I use mine as a place for litter. Snack wrappers, towels, trash and all that.

[spring oar]

[low fox]

hence why i say it's a rangeism

i cant think of a single time during an exercise, a deployment or anything else where i was like

"hm, im glad i had this dump pouch

[cerulean kayak]

Fair. Though to be honest. I am glad I have had it for some trash I didn't want in my pockets.

[low fox]

My kit is always changing but the one thing i've never considered re-adding was a dump pouch

the spiritus JSTA has taken its place

as i can actually use it for shit, or store odds and ends in there if i nee to

need*

[low fox]

I used the dump bag for the bags of cocaine skiddles I always have one me

[low fox]

That is a goplit

My friend owns one, he did an impression of this kit.

[low fox]

That man died

[nimble hinge]

wheres Rothco on the scale of 'actually usable' 'airsoft grade' and 'skip altogether'

[low fox]

airsoft grade

well..

nah thats too harsh

[low fox]

On the scale of ar manufactures.
Psa

Its okay. I use their og507 pants and shirt cause they feel like pajamas

[nimble hinge]

damn. i was thinking of ordering them, just for a cosplay, wanted to get an idea of how good they actually are.
still probably going to order because they have the pattern i want and i cant sew, but now i know not to give them any sorta serious use, thanks

[low fox]

What are you gonna order. I may have a set

Like ive beat the shit outta my rothco repros.

[nimble hinge]

https://www.amazon.com/Rothco-Combat-Shirt-Subdued-Digital/dp/B00E9AHR9Y/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?adgrpid=57723742282&gclid=CjwKCAiA24SPBhB0EiwAjBgkho4ILkGOwkmWTGTNDKYthQu-hdY0K4RU3OA-CvhvReH1WWizfzh0yBoCmwMQAvD_BwE&hvadid=274737065986&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9033112&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=11956149688679189403&hvtargid=kwd-375681083266&hydadcr=5394_9329087&keywords=rothco+subdued+urban+digital&qid=1642210847&sr=8-7

this and matching pants

long link

[low fox]

Nope. Sorry brosuf

[nimble hinge]

np. thanks for the info

[acoustic harbor]

yeah no, it's a Gladiator C in Atacs FG, Only 2 of then were made and only one exists currently, in the hands of Fort themselves. Goplits were only made in grey afaik and are pretty similar to As and Bs, though a little shorter. You can see the difference on the Shoulder Straps and the Velcro Flap in the front that is missing on the C

that's a Goplit for comparison

you can see the buckles like on a Glad C

[acoustic harbor]

and he's SSO, SSO uses mostly Cs and Vs, no Goplits

[dull snow]

Im just gonna spit a fact
Punisher patches are cringe

thank you for your time

[devout bone]

Eh
Depends on the Army
ADF SOF run front kangaroo dumps
Normal grunts run belt ones and they do use it alot

Depends on doctrine

I also do use my dump

But I'm no soldier

[devout bone]

True

Punisher, blue line, anarchism flags
All cringe

Just have naked anime women or metal gear solid unit patches or something idk

[dull snow]

I have ace combat

[devout bone]

If youre doing a tarkov cosplay
The USEC uniforms are Tru-Spec 1/4 combat shirts OR Crye precision G3

[devout bone]

Based
I've got Tarkov and a single teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles morale patch

[dull snow]

ive got a fuck ton

mainly because I just like patches

[devout bone]

Same

I've got a lot of patches too
But most of them are useful pnes

[devout bone]

Based patch

Barbecues are awesome

I've got cat eyes too

[dull snow]

I do have the for gods sake flag

[devout bone]

Carrier uwu

[dull snow]

For me its my sso 6094

[devout bone]

Russians made a LBT copy?

[dull snow]

Also got sdaf 83 battle jacket and stridvast 12

Yeah, SSO Pantsir

[devout bone]

Woah

Cheaper than the real thing

Or more expensive

[dull snow]

Cheaper

[devout bone]

Fucking sick

[dull snow]

Better quality than chinese knockoffs so

[devout bone]

I'll check that out

[dull snow]

I did see a lbt 6094 for £200

[devout bone]

If they have it in real mc

[dull snow]

But it was in multicam

[devout bone]

Awesome

[dull snow]

I dont like mc

So didnt buy it

[devout bone]

Multicam is unironically my favourite pattern

It works
It looks good
It's an aesthetic

[dull snow]

Only thing I got that is close to mc is PCS pants in mtp

Which i just use when its muddy as throwaways

[devout bone]

MTP is just DPM with MC colours

[dull snow]

yes

[devout bone]

Great camo nonetheless

I should get a set of AMCU

[acoustic harbor]

It's multifunctional

[dull snow]

i prefer more obscure / experimental camos

[devout bone]

Marine urban t camo enjoyer

[dull snow]

tfw still dont have original Tmout

[acoustic harbor]

though a little useless here in the more woodland and mountain county

[dull snow]

[acoustic harbor]

at least not MCB fanboy

[dull snow]

ew

[devout bone]

MCB is edgy as shit

I hate it so much

[dull snow]

MCB / kryptek is zoomer shit

[devout bone]

I also hate MC tropic

Just get woodland

[acoustic harbor]

Very based individuals here

[devout bone]

I'm a zoomer and I love boomer camo's

[dull snow]

I got some polish oreo flecktarn overalls

[devout bone]

M81 and Flora

Mhm

1994 surplus

[acoustic harbor]

woodland :)

[dull snow]

I got some ubacs Im gonna try dye

[devout bone]

10th mountain div surplus too

[acoustic harbor]

IBA in woodland is a vibe, change my mind

[devout bone]

It is

[devout bone]

British?

[dull snow]

yeah

[devout bone]

Cheers from around the commonwealth

[dull snow]

Im not british, just live here

[devout bone]

UK is a great place imo

[acoustic harbor]

bri'ish

[dull snow]

but yeah, wanna try to dye the ubacs to try and get that off colour teal look

[acoustic harbor]

UK should remove england and wales, then it would be perfect

[devout bone]

What colour ubacs

[dull snow]

desert

[devout bone]

Wrong opinion

[dull snow]

want to make it look like the guys in the background

[devout bone]

That's a funky colour

[acoustic harbor]

fun fact, SSO used British DDPM in Syria

[devout bone]

Yep

They also used Marpat

And AOR1

[acoustic harbor]

Not sure about that

[devout bone]

Hmm
Might be a different unit

[acoustic harbor]

they used a lotta MCam and Atacs for sure

[devout bone]

They used Emerson AOR1 airsoft uniforms

[acoustic harbor]

maybe some of the Desert ratnik

[dull snow]

also bought a dnc parka recently

need to unfuck it

[devout bone]

Tho I'm not gonna shit on airsoft gear

Cause it's still real stuff

Just not great qc

[dull snow]

the guy put in a fucking late war vietnam liner in

and to make it fit, he changed all the buttons to wrong places

so my original liner doesnt fit

[devout bone]

No gulf war woobie

Sad

[dull snow]

but at least he added pockets to it so

made of dpm

[devout bone]

Sheesh

Anyway
Auscam is a superior camo

Fight me

[dull snow]

auscam is great meme camo

[devout bone]

DNC is actually unironically a zoomer camo

[dull snow]

unfortunately

I still like it

[devout bone]

It's cool

Lol

[devout bone]

Idk works here extremely well

[dull snow]

African warlord

[acoustic harbor]

best camo is any oldschool russian camo, fight me if you want

[dull snow]

namibian defence force

[devout bone]

Flora?

Or like

Even older

[dull snow]

made by south africa on contract

[devout bone]

Berezka?

[acoustic harbor]

Podlesok, VSR 93, Berezka, Oreh, etc.

[devout bone]

VSR93 is flora iirc

Yeah

?

[acoustic harbor]

VSR 98 is flora

[devout bone]

Blue kamysh is a baller camo

[acoustic harbor]

YES

[devout bone]

Blue tiger stripe

[dull snow]

you are all wrong

[acoustic harbor]

would love to get a Rainsuit in it got so fucking rare though

[dull snow]

most baller camo is mountain flora

[devout bone]

Multicam is the best

[acoustic harbor]

mountain flora?

[devout bone]

Pumpkin camo

Best

[acoustic harbor]

6B11/12 is pretty based in it

[devout bone]

Unironically love Mountain flora

You can run modern ratnik shit with it

And be kosher

And it's cheaper than VKBO stuff

Kek

[dull snow]

a l p e n f l a g e

[devout bone]

Fuck off euro

[dull snow]

))

[devout bone]

DCU

[dull snow]

can your jacket store 25 cans of beans ?

I dont think so

[devout bone]

Yes

[acoustic harbor]

very based

[devout bone]

Cause I have a CCE woodland jacket

French F1 jacket is based

I've got a bunch of winter clothes lol

[devout bone]

That's actually baller
If only it was a better cam9

[devout bone]

That in m81

[dull snow]

look at them pockets

[devout bone]

Would be lit

[acoustic harbor]

afaik only Morpeh

though i do Motostrelky not Morpeh, so i could be wrong

[dull snow]

kinda waiting on 0241 tac to make their hoodies again

[devout bone]

Pumpkin Russians are cute

Anyway
AEOM1 hoodie is so fucking expensive

[devout bone]

I want one

[dull snow]

also erdl > woodland

[devout bone]

Cause the Wolf grey and black combo is baller

[devout bone]

No

Mitchell's camo > all

[dull snow]

mitchell is nice too

[devout bone]

Goddamn I'm a nerd

[devout bone]

I can't tall to many friends about shit like this kek

[dull snow]

they got a good camo selection

[devout bone]

Desert tiger stripe is a mood

CIA type beat

[acoustic harbor]

T Block kinda useless tbh

[dull snow]

t block is useless

but damn is it funky looking

)

[devout bone]

Red down 1984

Baller

Dawn*

God that camo was so cool

Is it actually produced?

Afaik they only made it for the movie

[dull snow]

yeah

0241 tac makes their shit to order

[devout bone]

That's actually cool

Need to make sure they stock sizes for booba

Tho

[dull snow]

they are meant to start their hoodies towards end of january again

at least thats what they told me in their email

[devout bone]

What's the pricing

[dull snow]

probably around 150-200 dollars

[devout bone]

Fuck me

Might as well stick to the big brands then

Sheesh

[dull snow]

thats what their pullovers look like

you can also mix camos

for different parts

[devout bone]

I think anything above $120 is a waste kek

That's me personally

[acoustic harbor]

bruh for that money I'll buy myself a UF Pro Combat shirt

[devout bone]

Yeah ikr

Used Crye G3 for $100

[acoustic harbor]

or another set of Pants

[acoustic harbor]

lucky man

[devout bone]

I've got used gen 2s

[acoustic harbor]

here in europoor Crye is insanely overpriced, but I prefer UF Pro either way

[devout bone]

The Crye gen 3s that are $100 here are XXL

So I'd need to like

Get a tailor

[dull snow]

dunno, I dont mind paying a bit extra for custom made shit

[acoustic harbor]

Big chungus actual Type Pants

[dull snow]

and afaik they are great quality

[devout bone]

Or id end up looking like I was wearing my boyfriends clothes

If I wore XXL shit

[dull snow]

I wonder why

waddles

[devout bone]

Yeah
No doubt it's top notch

But damn
That's a lot of money lol

[devout bone]

$300 for a custom fabric set by Roman kurmaz

[dull snow]

[devout bone]

Of Crye cut G3s

In any fabric

Might as well
Add the $100 and get a full set

Kek

[dull snow]

Reason why xxl cryes are so cheap

[devout bone]

I like minimalist chest rigd

:(

Chicom best chest rig tho

Especially customised ones

[acoustic harbor]

nehehee

[dull snow]

id say sadf 83s are better ngl

[acoustic harbor]

Like mini rigs with slick only for concealed carry cmm

[devout bone]

Honestly
Buy the XXL and then get it tailored to small

[dull snow]

its basically chicom

but better

[acoustic harbor]

who uses Chicom in this time still

except reenactors

[dull snow]

commie larpers

)

[acoustic harbor]

ay, let out ma boys doing afghan

[devout bone]

It's $20 for a fucking baller chest rig

[acoustic harbor]

Afghanistan Kits are extremely Based

same as chechnya

[devout bone]

Wait like
Soviet Afghan kits

Cause that's based

[acoustic harbor]

ye no shit

though i like more the 6B3 wearing ones

6B3 and 6B5 are extremely based

[devout bone]

Customised chicoms are legit amazing rigs for like $20

You replace the clips with Velcro

Add some molle.on the side

[acoustic harbor]

I have seen chicoms optimized with swift clips

[devout bone]

It's Mhm

[dull snow]

also im just gonna make this statement

If you run gorka and altyn then probability of you being a femboy is 90%

[acoustic harbor]

Gorka Smersh Altyn

very cringe

[devout bone]

Nothing wrong with femboys

[dull snow]

literally

[devout bone]

But cringe setup anyway

New gen smersh*

[acoustic harbor]

Altyn very based though, need one in my collection soem day

[dull snow]

good thing I got the boomer tig instead

)

[acoustic harbor]

still replica

[dull snow]

yeah

[devout bone]

Replica fine

[dull snow]

I know

[acoustic harbor]

no

[devout bone]

Yes

[acoustic harbor]

replica is fine but real is based

[devout bone]

Fair

[dull snow]

stillm Im not spending fucking 5000 on a real tig

I need a better car first

[devout bone]

I want a Mazda rX7

[acoustic harbor]

2400 - 3000 max if you know where

[dull snow]

I just want a Seat Ibiza

[devout bone]

Fucking christ
Why did I have to like the most expensive hobbies

[acoustic harbor]

saw one w/o visor some time ago for 800

[devout bone]

Cars

Guns

Gear

Computers

The wallet destroying combo

[acoustic harbor]

bro you are at least not me

[dull snow]

tfw I bought my 1660 super for 230£

[acoustic harbor]

spending 2400-500 on ONE vest alone

[dull snow]

now its worth 520£

[devout bone]

Why

Like
At that point
Its just not worth it

[acoustic harbor]

becausw it's a gladiator, duh

[dull snow]

@acoustic harbor its a replica from fsbshop with working coms

[acoustic harbor]

and has them gucci plates

[acoustic harbor]

fsb shop gud

grey shop bad

[dull snow]

so its not some gayshop tier bootleg altyn

[devout bone]

Grey shop gud for pouches

[dull snow]

also

[devout bone]

It's cheaper than a lot of places

[dull snow]

if you think their altyns are a joke

[acoustic harbor]

except mordor tac and bastion yrd

[dull snow]

let me show you another one

[devout bone]

Mordor Tac's G3 copies are actually legitimately alright

[acoustic harbor]

still incredibly overpriced compared to the websites of the producer

[devout bone]

Nope

Atleast not here

It's cheaper

Much cheaper

[dull snow]

I know a polish shop that sells original vityaz s

[acoustic harbor]

compare wartech homepage to greyshop

BIG DIFFERENCE

[devout bone]

Grey shop doesnt

[acoustic harbor]

doesn't

wartech and all can sell outside