Yeah
#general-chat
bronze sphinx
apparently the shooter livestreamed it
misty remnant
hahaahahahahah
bronze sphinx
fuck
misty remnant
viking berserkr intensifies
fiery coral
Except for mercury which they didn't know
misty remnant
There are classic points for political use
belladonna, hemlock
mixtures and concoctions of other plants that create similar effects
fiery coral
Plants I sleep
misty remnant
and I think maybe cyanide was used, but that may have been later
fiery coral
Substances real shit
misty remnant
And only primitive, natural forms of cyanide
chrome iris
belladonna
Sleep
I mean you're not wrong.
misty remnant
Well there’s tons of stuff that makes you throw up and go poopoo
But active poisons that kill you
require some prep
fiery coral
Wow no shit
misty remnant
unless its hemlock or belladonna
chrome iris
monk's hood....monk's hood.
misty remnant
I think the viking sagas referenced belladonna once
Under a different name
Since belladonna’s italian so
fiery coral
I mean preparing a poison out of plants is tricky
misty remnant
But they referenced its use once, I can’t remember which saga
Nah, belladonna and hemlock
Naturally evil plants
fiery coral
You have no idea how much of the substance is present
misty remnant
You can just grind it up
and hemlock stops your heart
Those two are considered the most poisonous plants I believe
chrome iris
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aconitum
@fiery coral
fiery coral
I can't translate but I think hemlock is naparstnica
misty remnant
I grew hemlock and belladonna once
fiery coral
Fairly bad toxins
misty remnant
In a fish tank to keep it humid
And
When the plants started to really sprout
I grew foxglove in there too
it was for a project I was working on based on poisonous plants
And I grew those three and literally got
feverlike symptoms
smoky grotto
YAYAY
fiery coral
Also you know that there is a theory berserkers poisoned themselves with toxic shrooms
misty remnant
Yeah no
fiery coral
Actually not hallucinogenic
smoky grotto
yikes
misty remnant
There’s tonsnof that
chrome iris
Good find Xanax.
misty remnant
Berserkrs would often cut themselves in the name of wodin
And scream at the top of their lungs
And literally come at you with sleeves soaked in their blood
chrome iris
"NOTICE ME SENPIA"
smoky grotto
@chrome iris thanks ❤
chrome iris
_RAHHHHHH!!!!
smoky grotto
no homo
misty remnant
And since the religion is based sround war
chrome iris
All the homo Xanax ❤
misty remnant
They were extremely good fighters anyway since bersekrrs had a special religious upbringing
So it was probably
extremely extremely scary
to see this over 6 foot man
Cutting limbs off of people
fiery coral
I can't tell u how the shroom is called I only know it's polish name but that substance in small doses makes you braver and feel less pain
misty remnant
screaming constantly with his own blood on him
fiery coral
It is the red one with small White dots
smoky grotto
lol tower:)
misty remnant
Well, I know you didn’t want to debate with me
Rather*
I didjtnwant to debate with u on this
But medieval medicine and surgery was always pretty good
smoky grotto
thot that key was 300 000 but its 30 000 😭
fiery coral
...a few micrograms of that substance makes ur liver go dead
Nice medicine
I guess it was good for fighting but they probably died at a young age
misty remnant
@bold trellis does this count as “gore”
fiery coral
Because it produces scar tissue in the liver just like alocohol
But in a more rapid rate
misty remnant
I want to show the Medieval Wound Man drawings
silk trail
If you're not sure you should PM it first RED
misty remnant
that were done for medicalrecords
Yeah I’m waiting for him to be there
so I could DM him the image
It’s not really gorey or anything
Which is why I’d ask first
bc it still could be
to some ppl
reeeee gtbb
fiery coral
It's probably not gonna even load for me anyways
What does it represent is my question
Just wounds
smoky grotto
u have 2 livers
misty remnant
The medieval wound man is actually a diagram created by medieval doctors
To showcase where healable wounds
fiery coral
That name fits you @smoky grotto lmao
fiery coral
Or is it :3
misty remnant
If you don’t understand the significant proof there that they could heal
some intensely brutal injuries that often require surgery
then I don’t need to talk about it anymore
misty remnant
The fact that you said that surgery was almost surefire death in medieval times?
I’m saying I picked that conversation back up
fiery coral
Ohh okay
misty remnant
And I’m telling you that this is proof they have actual diagrams
and written methods
Of how to fix some injuries that seem pretty impossible with ttheir current tech
Like things revolving around lobotomization
fiery coral
If you give me an argument that isn't cauterisation as to how they sterilized wounds then I might see any hope
misty remnant
Or ruptured ribs with a punctured lung
They often used plants that had natural antibiotics in them, I’m sure you’ve heard of them
I can’t name them all, but even white oak has disinfectant properties
And it wouldn’t have to do with microbial knowledge
Since white oak, for example anyway, has always been known to help treat illnesses
Of various kinds
And can be applied in a multitude of ways
They did often have druids that basically experimented like chemists in the wild
fiery coral
Not even gonna say viruses or parasites but okay let's say they did that
And now what about their hands and tools
misty remnant
Washed in well water, and tools don’t actually have bacteria on them unless it is transmitted within a certain amount of time
bronze sphinx
the sick fuck live streamed
misty remnant
But it can always be heated
fiery coral
Tetanus can hold for 30 years on tools
misty remnant
Or boiled off
fiery coral
And pasteur invented pasterization for a reason...
misty remnant
Well yeah, and living situations weren’t amazing
But you’re comparing it to modern times
Avg lifespan of someone during the 800s AD was 50% under 20
Due to war, famine, or disease
that’s a given
misty remnant
No, children who died made up around
10ish percent
Which is still
a high number
BUT
50% of individuals often lived, based on graves,
were around 20 or younger
So you have a coin-flip’s chance
to live past 20
misty remnant
Doesn’t mean their medical knowledge was garbage, and that was the misconception
that I was trying to clear up
But when you think about it logically
There was crap tons of money to be made
In the world of medicine
in a world where everyones dying to multitudes of things
And mainly war
If you could actually cure people
a lord would give you so much wealth for it
fiery coral
The thing is for any standards the medicine was bad I am sorry
fiery coral
Maybe in ur eyes this was good
misty remnant
Nope
chrome iris
-hand raise-
Give the player a pass? Or kill him for being dumb?
misty remnant
Because in terms of other worldly standards
fiery coral
Kill
misty remnant
If we compare other times and eras
Medieval times were actually better than civil war for medicine
And surgical mortality expectancy
Was way lower for civil war
than it was for medieval
chrome iris
Broken neck from jumping off a cliff to avoid conflict it is.
misty remnant
Because atleast in medieval times, conditions weren’t so bad and fungally infested
With supplies not bieng able to be locally sourced in time
They often wouldnt disinfect your wound
fiery coral
In the civil war people actually started trying.to make surgery a common thing but they still didn't wash hands
misty remnant
Since hundreds of people were lined up from
getting shrapnel in their legs from a cannon
They’d just cut it off sometimes and move to the next guy
And since medical supplies were super thin and strained
You don’t really know how many of those surgeries were sterile ones
fiery coral
None
misty remnant
but the proof’s still in that fat mortality rate
misty remnant
That’s untrue on multiple levels but alright
fiery coral
That bacteria doesn't like water and temperature and chemicals
misty remnant
If we look at chinese medicine, we still use that stuff today in china
fiery coral
Wow no shit
misty remnant
Yeah no shit indeed
fiery coral
Because guessing could be done even in medieval.times
People just guessed at that time
fiery coral
If you broke ur leg the doctor guesed where it is broken
misty remnant
on understanding the medical significance of herbs and techniques
Without proper knowledge of microbial activity
fiery coral
If you were sick idk you hat syfilis or smthing they guessed how to treat it
That is still.guessing
They used 100 herbs
One had to finally work
Not gonna mention the 99 that didn't
misty remnant
That’s how medicine works in general though? A doctor has to think based on your symptoms what the real issue is still
That method of thinking hasn’t changed or anything
It just got more accurate
fiery coral
Yes but you can make tests now like spine fluid testing blood testing
You have.x rays
misty remnant
Hence, more accurate
misty remnant
Is that it then
fiery coral
I will use it as an example
misty remnant
alright
fiery coral
From it's symptoms it was tetanus
misty remnant
ok?
fiery coral
But thanks to blood tests it turned out to be a brain disease spread by ticks
If this was medieval.times I would 1st kill the dog 2nd if it was a human I would use herbs for tetanus
chrome iris
Just watched some of the NZ stuff... shits no joke..
fiery coral
Which would still not work because that is not how you cure tetanus
misty remnant
you’re still comparing it to modern medicine
fiery coral
Great medicine truly
misty remnant
which you already conceded earlier
and said “by all standards”
I then proved a point saying civil war standards were worse
And you’re looping back to modern medicine comparisons
fiery coral
You said not proved I am sorry
misty remnant
Alright then, if you want
We can look at the historical statistics right now
And also compare the medical procedures and relative sterility
fiery coral
The only proof you have for the ur theory are drawings and the steralization part is pure.speculation unless there is a 'great books of herbs that kill bacteria and work wonders'
misty remnant
Of surgeries and application of treatment to wounds and symptoms
that stem from sickness
Rifht now
we can do that right now, nobody is stopping you
Let’s go and check the numbers
you ready?
fiery coral
Red
So you have a friend that invented a time.machine and made documents about surgeries done right
That is cool trully
misty remnant
No, I forget you probably have no idea how history works
But written records and first-hand historical resources can tell you a lot
about the topics I specifically brought up
fiery coral
So you will estimate it on the ammount of tools found and sheets of paper that contained a word.that meant surgery ?
misty remnant
No, because you read it wrong
since you’re focusing so hard on trying to be skeptical about something I openly am willing to prove wirh you
Since you doubt your own theories and statements so hard
I specifically said that we can look at the historical statistics now and also compare the medical procedures and relative sterility of surgies and application of treatment to wounds/symptoms that stem from sickness
fiery coral
I doubt the fact I can remotely trust statistics about something that was done 600-1000 years ago and was done with no knowledge about chemistry or microbiology in this case
misty remnant
Not the amount of tools found, but the kind they used
Even though it’s kind of indisputable that medieval people had better medical technology than people during the civil war, which is the whole point
fiery coral
So one person knew something more and we are gonna base the mortality on the fact that sugery was almost non existent apart from amputations and skull puncture
misty remnant
No, actually, because there’s evidence that they could fix your punctured lungs
And remove foreign objects from the body
fiery coral
There is a drawing which says how to not that it went well
misty remnant
Those are forms of surgery that aren’t just amputations and “skull puncture”
No, because there were multitudes of the same drawings
That slowly spread across europe
Because it worked
If you killed a lord’s son after cutting his arm off, the lord would probably kill you or cut your arm off and make you never practice medicine again
The fact that it was replicated and showcased over and over through decades of time
Means that it in fact worked
fiery coral
And that drawing probably ignores the fact that you need sterylized equipment and personell also anesthetics (which were not known to remotely modern times NO2 being the first one ever used)
misty remnant
And medical records from King Henry the 8th often describe some very advanced herbal and surgical remedies they had to do
fiery coral
Nah lets just use oak and fucking alcohol he will be alright
misty remnant
In order to fix his poor health and problems during a medieval tournament he participated in
Ok so let’s say that happens and then the guy gets ill and dies
My point still stands, procedure didnt work, doctor is prosecuted
Angry rich baron points finger at the druid that claimed he could heal his dying brother
Druid gets tried and punished
fiery coral
Why would he if no one even expected the guy to live ?
misty remnant
Because he made the false claim
We could also get into medieval justice and the systems within it
misty remnant
Because there were lots of snake oil sellers, so to speak,
And scammers and other individuals
that were often tried in court
So if you’d like, we can get into that
It would actually be quite easy since judges and scribes often wrote legal accounts
fiery coral
No I question why would he try to make a false claim if he knows what is the punishment
And then if he would die how would the knowledge even spread
misty remnant
Because do you expect someone to say “heal my brother” to someone who can’t claim he can do so
fiery coral
I would want him to do something
misty remnant
You wouldn’t know he was a doctor then
because that’s literally what that level of communication would be
fiery coral
That is like saying that a doctor is supposed to fix someone who is dying
When even now there are some things that are impossible to treat
That druid would have to be mad to make such a claim
misty remnant
this is the stupidest point you’ve made so far
fiery coral
Why are we even discussing such an obscurely dumb example
misty remnant
If a doctor looked at someone and said “I can’t fix them”
Then he can’t fix them
If the doctor looks at someone and sees their symptoms and is like “I can save this one” he’d say it
And then get to it
fiery coral
What about saying i'll try my best
misty remnant
Because if he falsely believes he can do it
Or says
“Ehh this ones a 50/50” or some shit like that
fiery coral
Also can we actually talk about like medicine not some retarded druid ?
misty remnant
He’s still held responsible for the life
fiery coral
Because you know a lot about history
But fucking nothing about medicine somehow
Why are you trying to be an expert in something you are not
misty remnant
I do extensive research on medieval medicine simply to prove people wrong about it because everyone has the grossest misconceptions about medieval people
fiery coral
Medieval medicine
misty remnant
I gave you a real example of evidence of the medical knowledge of medieval people
And also offered
To find more historical sources
And compare them with you
To which you said
fiery coral
And then when someone says it is trash you reply with 'not to their standards'
misty remnant
historical sources? you mean books and tools? sounds dumb
fiery coral
If I compare it to their standards it is gonna be good even if it didn't exist
And historical sources on a matter like this are barely existen
misty remnant
It’s more like you’re comparing modern medicine to medieval medicine
fiery coral
Is there a written log about any surgery
misty remnant
Which is wrong in it of itself
Since you’re accusing an entire history of people
To be insignificant technologically
To us, in their future
fiery coral
With names of the herbs and substances they used did the patient die or not and how did they treat him
misty remnant
Which is stupid & obvious
Yes
There are tons
I said this earlier
And offered to bring them up
And you refused
Saying those weren’t important
fiery coral
I'm not accusing everything
fiery coral
Look cool that they had drawings
misty remnant
That I’d offer to do those kinds of source comparisons
fiery coral
But they were the same people that treated syfilis with mercury
misty remnant
Yeah, and people in modern hospitals have transfered medicine-borne diseases to each other without knowing it
And killed patients in the past
fiery coral
And there were no improvements in medicine until pasteur
misty remnant
Wrong
fiery coral
Singnificant improvements
misty remnant
From the fall of rome
to the renaissance
There was a steady improvement in medicine
Medical knowledge, tools, records
And universal languages to help across countries
And they were extremely significant
fiery coral
Yes which was only because people discovered better materials tool engineering etc
Not because something was done in medicine specifially
misty remnant
Materials and tools and engineering aren’t medicine?
fiery coral
In renaissance no one cared about washing hands
misty remnant
🤔
fiery coral
No one cared about the netherland's microscope that was developed afterwards
misty remnant
Not true, bath houses existed for a reason, people often washed hands
fiery coral
It was forgotten for many years
misty remnant
And plumbing was installed for a reason
Plumbing especially a big one for the renaissance if I remember correctly
fiery coral
Even pasteur was called an idiot when he presented that bacteria produce diseases not the other way around
misty remnant
Renaissance is outside of medieval, but I think I remember hearing about that much
These random points are for what?
fiery coral
Find my a bathhouse in Poland except for the Warsaw
Which was made for the last kings of our country in 1700's
There were some in russia why ? Because it was a nice place to socialize
Literally
misty remnant
fiery coral
The average ratio of taking baths for an average human at that time was once per 2 weeks
misty remnant
Berlin is right next to poland
and quite honestly
Poland probably owned part of berlin at some point
In terms pf
the various changes
of medieval tribal territories
And there is a recorded bathhouse with a manuscript there
From 1470 AD i believe
Pre-renaissance 1500s
We won’t know the exact origin of the manuscript
misty remnant
But it is being held in berlin and was in the north-eastern european area soo
And yeah you don’t know that at all
Doesn’t matter because
Berlin wouldn’t really be a city I don’t think for a while
fiery coral
Only jagiełło washed while even his wife wasn't known for that
fiery coral
And guess why did he wash Because he was from lithuania which was said to be uncivilized and quite literally the people in Poland told stories that jagiełło looks like a dirty bear
misty remnant
“Many people falsely assume that Middle Ages was the time of darkness and dirt – they just think that people didn’t wash themselves back then. Of course, that is not truth. In fact, the hygiene was often much better in Middle Ages than later! For example – French court of 16th, 17th and 18th century was famous for stinking… there were almost no toilettes in Versailles and people just used fireplaces in the chambers”
misty remnant
I would like to reiterate how the civil war was pretty dank and dirty
Mary Antoinette wrote in her letters in 18th century that the whole palace smelled with urine.
Ouf
fiery coral
Yes that was how france looked like
They didn't even use forks to eat
Which we laugh about in Poland because in the same time bathing was actually starting to become a popular thing
And ye we used forks before france
Funny huh
misty remnant
My point still stands
Medieval medicine was good
And in comparison to other times of history
Sometimes even more modern times
silk trail
Uh, no.
misty remnant
Medieval people knew their shit
And I have provided the resources for it and if you want to continue we can talk about it some more
But there are some crazy misconceptions about it
This bathhouse stuff is a good read actually, I’m going to continue reading it unless you’d like to continue
fiery coral
So no one knew anything about micro biology anesthetics sterylization any good methods of identifying inner injuries also there were no anitbiotics people were given random herbs and substances like mercury which was associated with silver which was precious and clean and skin diseases where often treated with nearly molten iron there were no institutes that researched medicine until late times and uhh what else ?
Atleast they had sewing and alcohol
Also cauterisation but that was a late product of the fact that iron didn't do well against measless
misty remnant
I’ll correct you on a couple, which you might be aware of
But a common “anaesthetic” that was often applied for an extremely long time in history is alcohol
Modern anaesthetics involving chemicals
Is new, and actually very difficult and complicated even todsy
today*
fiery coral
Yes
misty remnant
As we don’t have a 100% clear understanding of how it all works
fiery coral
And alcohol killed many people because of high dosage
Also we have a clear understanding in most cases
misty remnant
“Good methods” of identifying inner injuries are literally just checking for symptoms
If you’re talking about the dog example
fiery coral
And we have A CLEAR understanding how painkillers work
misty remnant
Then yes
I absolutely agree, nobody could do blood tests on that level
Which is still modern
And therefore can’t really apply
fiery coral
No identifying where is the broken bone exactly what broke there and is there any bleeding
Inside
misty remnant
And the rest are pretty truthful except insitutes that research medicine
There were several
there were medical guilds based around transfering of knowledge
chrome iris
@boreal mango Shits bad....
I heard he took return fire at the second place of worship though.
misty remnant
Or dispatching doctors to locations based on messengers
fiery coral
Some you mean that made the whole thing even more stale
@chrome iris Is he still alive
boreal mango
there were two shooters
misty remnant
If you mean on that basic level of hemorrhage
chrome iris
Yeah i saw that as well guest
misty remnant
No, they definitely could fix hemorrhages
boreal mango
when the cops got him
misty remnant
proof’s in wound man
chrome iris
@fiery coral They "have one in custody"
misty remnant
They could fix fractured skulls
chrome iris
who knows if he's up or not
misty remnant
Which is pretty damn impressive
fiery coral
Red
misty remnant
Since blood inside of the brain cavity can be death
misty remnant
But for the most part, yes, your comparisons to medieval times and modern medicine stand pretty ok
fiery coral
The skull thing is true thi
*tho
There was one thing better in medieval times tho
Creativity
misty remnant
No clue how they fixed gut hemorrhage
But
There’s arrow wounds directly in the intestines
fiery coral
I mean to use mercury as a remedy u gotta be creative
misty remnant
shown on wound man
And how to fix them
So I’m sure if we read enough accounts based on medical records
We could determine further what probably worked and what didn’t, if we went in with that much skepticism
On the genuine-ness
of wound man
fiery coral
If the arrow wound didn't actually puncture intestines they could fix that
I could lol
misty remnant
Though historians have already thoroughly researched wound man’s credibility
smoky grotto
guys
fiery coral
Spicy
misty remnant
so it wasn’t even a matter of
chrome iris
Yeah Zanaz?
chrome iris
Xanax?
fiery coral
Alcohol intensifies
smoky grotto
this church shooting happing on live facebook in new zealand and he bombed the church after
misty remnant
they literally removed the foreign object somehow
smoky grotto
happend*
misty remnant
And the individual would be alive and healthy
fiery coral
I mean that is easy to do the hard part is to not make the guy die to shock
misty remnant
“easy to do”
A moment ago you were skeptical it could be done
And said it required antibiotics
hmm
smoky grotto
if i send a live leak video will i get banend?
misty remnant
🤔
chrome iris
Yeah, supposed he took return fire at the second Church after he fire bombed it.
fiery coral
Hemorhage is imppossible to do with them
chrome iris
And I 'm not a discord admin, but i would advise against it
smoky grotto
Tower u saw it?
chrome iris
Yeah I saw all of it.
fiery coral
If they somehow figured out to wash hands they could take an arrow out and sew it
chrome iris
at least as much of it I cou.ld
misty remnant
Well, they somehow did
smoky grotto
in a bad way
chrome iris
-shrugs- Not any worse than watching Vegas imo.
misty remnant
because the records are consistently showing here
a specifically pierced intestinal tract as well
chrome iris
Though when dude in the first charged him and missed my heart broke... not gonna lie.
misty remnant
So going through gut flora
And letting it leak
And fixing it somehow
@chrome iris send me some vids my dude
fiery coral
If it leaked into the gut tho he could die even with antibios
So either these guys were mad or the guys who researched it
fiery coral
I saw miracles
misty remnant
In the exact spot
smoky grotto
send red
misty remnant
Across decades of wound men
fiery coral
Written in the bibble
misty remnant
In different countries
smoky grotto
red
misty remnant
soooo
fiery coral
So the question raises
What is wrong with that tract
And why were they so obsessed with it
What the fuck did I just see btw
Worse than that shooter
smoky grotto
he saids sub 2 pewdipie
chrome iris
Yeah...
vital jolt
He also said that Spyro 3 made him an ethnonationalist
fiery coral
Ngl that is hella advert
vital jolt
And that Fortnite taught him to floss on his enemies' corpses
And that he was inspired by Candice Owens
chrome iris
Shits fucked up.
smoky grotto
^
fiery coral
U are experiencing someone who wants a media outrage
vital jolt
By getting the 2nd amendment repealed and causing DIVISION
fiery coral
Literally experiencing
chrome iris
Yep.
fiery coral
Yup
vital jolt
But hot fucking damn, he knew what he was doing
vital jolt
Brought plenty of ammo and a strobe light to increase disorientiation. Double-tapped to make sure people were very dead.
Fucking scary.
fiery coral
I thought they died with irish terrors
vital jolt
And the fact that he fucking livestreamed the whole thing
chrome iris
Eh... he probably knew theory more than anything
chrome iris
Yeah he took return fire it sounds like from the 2nd place of worship.
fiery coral
What about the 2nd one
chrome iris
No word on IF there was a 2nd or not. But from the photos and stuff I saw I 'd say there were two.
vital jolt
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun....
fiery coral
Or anything
smoky grotto
Are they gonna kill him?
vital jolt
Is a good guy with a gun
smoky grotto
Death sentence?
chrome iris
I hope they make him live.
vital jolt
He wants to get the 2nd amendment repealed and gun rights tightened to get the race war started
fiery coral
Its nz
vital jolt
Oh, make him live, in prison
chrome iris
Make him live in a box, watching a loop news of nothing but the news with everythign abotu him removed.
fiery coral
I doubt they have death sentence there
vital jolt
Oh, cruel and unusual punishment is barbaric. Let the prisoners adminster that.
smoky grotto
^
fiery coral
Hehe
vital jolt
I hope he lives to serve his entire life sentence in prison
fiery coral
I could administer pipe cleaner into his...
vital jolt
Thinking about his wasted life
fiery coral
Ye you know
chrome iris
Small brain thinking Xan, like I said, I hope he lives a long life in solitary and gets to see "the news" with nothing about him, and literal "peace" propoganda.
fiery coral
The thing is he won't
misty remnant
krzy good talk I guess
fiery coral
So news reports everywhere
chrome iris
Kiry, I meant using a loop and such that is 100% fake to punish this fucker.
Not actual news.
misty remnant
I got heated lowkey but for the most part just wanted to have u understand I guess
fiery coral
Lmao
misty remnant
also
smoky grotto
A insanely boring life to a extent
vital jolt
What he wanted was to "remove" the Muslim "Invaders"
misty remnant
this mosque shooting reminds me that CCW could have stopped him
chrome iris
Hence the " text" , pardon I forget not everyone is Native US.
chrome iris
It soudns like it did Red.
misty remnant
it reminds me so much that CCW could have
vital jolt
He said his beliefs aligned most closely with the PRC
misty remnant
stopped him
vital jolt
The second mosque shot back
misty remnant
if someone had a concealed weapon
vital jolt
Saving dozens of lives
smoky grotto
Thats a bad rep on pewdiepie
chrome iris
Yeah that's the word
misty remnant
Fuck that guy
vital jolt
Reportedly
misty remnant
Fuck him
vital jolt
I don't think he took a bullet, though
vital jolt
I fucking hope that what the shooter wanted is not given to him
vital jolt
And that gun rights are loosened so we can defend ourselves
chrome iris
probably won't happen, only big daddy state can protect anyone.
vital jolt
Maybe the hour of live massacre footage will show people what these things are really like
misty remnant
For something that fast
fiery coral
Lmao out gov is probably already making new restrictions
chrome iris
^
misty remnant
sssssmmmmmhhh
vital jolt
Oh, without a doubt. But this time there is at least some counter-battery fire
chrome iris
Shit makes me really want to invest in some low profile NIJ III....
fiery coral
Lmao
vital jolt
hmmmm reloading is not a way for civilians to return attack
smoky grotto
he was probable suffering from mental health?
misty remnant
RUSSIAN GUN BETTER NATO BAD
fiery coral
Probably didn't pull the trigger
vital jolt
because it only takes like 3 seconds
and the fog of war is intense
F for the man who charged him
misty remnant
His AR jammed 3 times
fiery coral
Nah
smoky grotto
he was probable suffering from mental health?
chrome iris
Yeah my heart broke when dude charged and missed..
vital jolt
Oh, he was very sane
misty remnant
3 or 5 times
vital jolt
Too sane
fiery coral
The thing is he looks like he was fine
chrome iris
An actual hero's death.
fiery coral
A fucking profesjonalist
smoky grotto
He mag dumped
fiery coral
*profesionalist
smoky grotto
unneeded
misty remnant
The shooter looked too trained imo
smoky grotto
100%
chrome iris
rehearsed =/= trained
fiery coral
He knew what he was doinf
chrome iris
Yeah that's also what I'm hearing on my end Meme.
misty remnant
I mean
vital jolt
Not without a pistol, m8
smoky grotto
some what
fiery coral
If he was mental he would just act like a sane guy
misty remnant
no loser
fiery coral
*insane
fiery coral
And look he actually was doing something that made sense
misty remnant
feel safe
vital jolt
He's a dangerous man because he isn't insane
smoky grotto
i know i know
vital jolt
He was pushed to it by radical right wing websites
smoky grotto
he is insane
misty remnant
And available for everyone
vital jolt
I have no doubt that people will copycat him
chrome iris
^
vital jolt
Hunker down, children
chrome iris
That terrifies me... fucking standalone complex.
vital jolt
And never go outside without at least a knife, legal or otherwise your life is at stake
misty remnant
I already always carry a knife
fiery coral
I might invest into class 3 gost after this honestly
smoky grotto
If this starts a trend of some what. Omg
smoky grotto
nice
misty remnant
So I can easily disable someone no problem 👌👌👌
chrome iris
I'm probably gonna upgrade my CCW tbh...
fiery coral
CCW ?
vital jolt
EFT has taught us the skills needed to take down a gunman with only a hatchet
misty remnant
conceal carry
chrome iris
Concealed carry weapon*
smoky grotto
RED u never know how your gonna react when it comes face to face with you
misty remnant
I do
smoky grotto
Yeah
chrome iris
I currently rock a p6, but I'll probably switch back to a USPC or HK2000...
vital jolt
This way they never know when you're shooting, when you're not
misty remnant
would be actively ready
smoky grotto
Why the strobe light
misty remnant
to lay his life down so
chrome iris
^
fiery coral
Red you don't know how you will act
misty remnant
or a .357 sig
chrome iris
Having been on the otherside of a a strobe, shit's not cool
smoky grotto
I live in Canada. So I can get a gun 😦
fiery coral
But you never know
smoky grotto
I really want a gun
fiery coral
I barely can
smoky grotto
for safety*
chrome iris
I've had to draw twice, Both times resulted in no one getting hurt thankfully.
fiery coral
Well that is lucky
fiery coral
Usually if you have to draw it is shoot or die
smoky grotto
I am really thinking if I should get a gun illegally. If I get caught, Im done
chrome iris
Both times were against a knife weilding perp.
fiery coral
Atleast
misty remnant
Knife fights are surprisingly common
chrome iris
First guy full on "OH FUCK" and dropped instantly . Secong guy just froze... and asked that I didn't kill him.
misty remnant
And only surprising because of stupid media
But I’m well aware
Of how many more incidents there are
Without guns
That occur
chrome iris
Like if you've ever seena dog slide on ice, that was first dude.
Second guy just stared at me for a second like a deer who heard a twig snap.
chrome iris
Yep.
fiery coral
Someone could just charge
smoky grotto
This shit is becoming more and more popular...
chrome iris
You're 100% right, I got lucky both times.
misty remnant
I mean yeah when you’re faced with
fiery coral
No wonder it is
fiery coral
Ye
misty remnant
It’s an extremely real experience
vital jolt
Those guys, though
They are not motivated terrorists
Guys like the /pol/ shooter are a step above
chrome iris
They were.
fiery coral
This shit was planned
chrome iris
that' was the point
misty remnant
mosque shooters* obviously
fiery coral
Honestly this was done pro
misty remnant
yeah likr everyone said earlier
fiery coral
Which is scary
smoky grotto
RED you never react the way you think you will till your confronted with it
misty remnant
I’m just thinking about it now
fiery coral
You know
misty remnant
I’ve been confronted with it several times
chrome iris
All good, we're all still processing RED.
smoky grotto
With a ar?
fiery coral
I'm not scared.of unpro idiots with guns because they are usually a small threat
misty remnant
I’m kind of more comfortable with risking my life
fiery coral
But this guy
chrome iris
I've had a hi-point in my face. Stuffs not cool, being helpless..
misty remnant
Again, willing to be a police officer
smoky grotto
HE WROTE THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE HE KILLED ON THE GUNS AND STUFF
misty remnant
terror factor
smoky grotto
He knew the people I think
chrome iris
He had "14 words" written on his gun Xan, literally a nazi.
misty remnant
Could have been connected to ISIS
fiery coral
Doubt
misty remnant
Trying to start wars against other religious individuals
smoky grotto
more than 1 gun
misty remnant
I doubt its related to isis I just brought it up
fiery coral
We will see
misty remnant
It felt extremist
fiery coral
I had to fight only once in my life
misty remnant
oh boy
chrome iris
There are other extremist than ISIS though.
misty remnant
I lived in mexico for a month
fiery coral
I was like 12 they were something along 15
chrome iris
Glad you're still with us then Kiry... those are not good odds.
fiery coral
I mean
chrome iris
IRA etc etc
misty remnant
“islamic terrorist”
fiery coral
They prob wouldn't kill me
misty remnant
in 4 letters so
raven fiber
whos waiting for division 2
smoky grotto
Now every time i listen to the songs he was listing too.
Ima feel bad
chrome iris
Xan, you have as much power over that as you want, just let it fade dude. Shit will eat you alive otherwise.
fiery coral
Gotta thank nature that I grew up fast
smoky grotto
Yeah ik @chrome iris
chrome iris
Just reassuring man, sometimes we all need a reminder.
Fucking dude who charged though... fuck.
fiery coral
I am happy I didn't see that
chrome iris
Guy swept left, missed 1 adult at least, swept right, and when he turned a guy tried tot ackle him but was just too slow. ended up getting point blanked.
misty remnant
Sure he was brave and I commend his heroism
But he didn’t stop the shooter
And as a human being with your own choices and actions
I’d like to point out that if you were someone willing to do that
smoky grotto
What if this happens to us?
misty remnant
It lowkey would have been your responsibility to be prepared for it
smoky grotto
like really thinking about it
fiery coral
Ain't gonna happen to me probably
misty remnant
I think about it from time to time and simulate it happening to my apartment and whatnot
smoky grotto
You dont know
misty remnant
Or what would happen if
ruby basin
I've had a gun pulled on me in a car before, shits not fun
misty remnant
A shooter ran into my grocery store just now
smoky grotto
fr?
fiery coral
I live in almost pure catholic country with almost no minorities and also my country barely matters to anyone
chrome iris
Xan, you have two choices in that regard, live your life in terror but always be prepared, or just accept the fact that it can literally happen at anytime... Best we can do is be as preapred as possible.
misty remnant
And other stuff
misty remnant
It’s that kind of thinking that gets others killed thoug
smoky grotto
@chrome iris theres always a chance of you dying at anytime
chrome iris
like the CCW guys that turn on eachother mid hiest by mistake?
chrome iris
Yep, i'm acutely aware of that, even more so with where I work.
fiery coral
That is how fragile life is
chrome iris
yeah there were a few cases of people spider manning each other...
misty remnant
But it’s too ironic to a degree
smoky grotto
chrome iris
wasn't good.
misty remnant
Yeah no it’s kind of funny
smoky grotto
Thats was the shit on his vest
misty remnant
Not that thiugh
misty remnant
edgelord dogtags
smoky grotto
^
chrome iris
I hope this fuck lives a very ...very long time.
fiery coral
He was supposed to be an edgelord
misty remnant
Some of these names are in cyrillic
fiery coral
That was his character
smoky grotto
The name of the people that were wrote on the magazines are probably scared
chrome iris
or already daed
misty remnant
^^^^
smoky grotto
:/ Maby
misty remnant
probably
chrome iris
Could be any number of things , people he "knew" who had died from imigrants ect ect
smoky grotto
this could of been avoided.. This is not practical but if the government forced Self defence training or something.
chrome iris
No
fiery coral
Nah
chrome iris
Never, let the govt ever mandade anything.
misty remnant
If you aren't prepared for it, you won't be just because you're forced to be trained to
fiery coral
And be trained
vital jolt
CCW guys have literally never turned on one another by mistake
chrome iris
"only big daddy govt can do "x" Is a bad way of thinking.
vital jolt
This is an event that has quite literally never happened once
vital jolt
At the very least a man at the second mosque returned fire - perhaps with a legal gun, perhaps illegal - and that repelled him
fiery coral
Dont let it get into u dude
chrome iris
I might have found some bad sources of info then Meme, I don't honestly recall where I had colleted that tid bit.
vital jolt
However, he has been caught alive
fiery coral
That is what that fucker wanted
fiery coral
This bitch wants you for this to get into ur head
misty remnant
Was that what he wanted
vital jolt
Yes
vital jolt
It was in his manifesto
vital jolt
He chose to use an "assault rifle" for that precise reason
smoky grotto
If this was in the US people could of had guns on them and returned fire
misty remnant
Even the bad guys know the 2nd amendment is bad for them
smoky grotto
I dont know this but is it like 3 out of 10 people have a gun
fiery coral
Look at his manifest
ruby basin
his manifesto was just edgy /pol/ shit
fiery coral
He wanted to stir shit uo
ruby basin
memes and wanted to start a civil war
misty remnant
But what about california
fiery coral
Etc
ruby basin
he literally had the navy seal shitpost in it
smoky grotto
Yeah if that was in texas....
ruby basin
its disgusting
chrome iris
railgun iirc?