#beginners-assistance
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impacts factory
Fake

hey, how can I optimize my stash space
What are you working with
woods or customs
I kinda like costums but for your sake woods
damn
jesus
I want to put that all into a backpack, but I have no room for more backpacks!
if you insure a backpack and then die with it, do you get the items inside?
ok, i'm going to really quick try and figure out how to sell some shit I dont need
whadda hell
W scav
I got a chek-15 key from my scav. Should I sell it or keep it?
true
sell
I could just make the 5mil for sure
or die trying to use the key and losing loot and uses
yes
im only lvl2 lit started a couple days ago u sure most things?
Can you delete that tho. I don't want any fake info around my name
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ye
you can get all that armor from ragman or scavs
honestly just run paca for a lil lol
paca?
just killed a lvl 45 w just a ak101
ak101 op
is the btc and gpcoin barter for thicc wroth?
not at all
like 7 mil loss
paca armor from ragman
ahhhh okay thx
just got killed by a scav while looting a airdrop
there was a gpu

U did kill one in resort for no reason tbf
no?
shithouse
zzzz
Wanna run factory night at some point
anyone down to run some quest/NA dm me
Why does killing a pmc make you a traitor scav?
it doesnt
What's the best way to fight cultists
it doesnt?
it gives you rep
It does
customs from the mechanic building
is the only way ive dont it
If a scav kills you they gain rep
antivenom, and an smg
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no shot
Yea it does
i get 0.03 rep for "helping scavs"
Cuz I send some "messages" to the pscav that killed me
And he said I was a traitor scav
lmao
lmao
wtf
you must have hit a scav
And only thing I did was kill a lvl 45
fighting the pmc
no.
theres no way
bruh
but you hit something
great game
I fired 1 shot
To that guys head
only shot
fun
Id kill all p scavs if i could
maybe homie capping then
but my scav case timer would gocrazy
did you loose rep tho
idk didint check
doubt that I did
I mean I got killed
I prolly got 0.03 for helping scavs
best way to find bunkhouse key?
flea
im level 7
level up 8 levels
doing what
other quests
tasks
what about next wipe when they won't be on flea
they will?
not at the beginning?
i feel like this task shouldn't be given that early
it is like that with a lot of tasks
that early? like what
Just a hard key to find
U can also ask some guy to open it for you
i bought it for 150k cus like 5 timmies needed it lmao
its honestly not that expensive
no flea
used to be 3 times that
yea when it was barter only
messed up man
ongg
i think another friend bought it for 300
I did the quest when I was like lvl 20 lol
lmao i found it at lvl 10
used it and sold to therapist cus i didnt know its worth š
inflation fr
Whats better bp or bs
bs
to all the players out there that need help making money i am hosting some money runs rn msg me for the help i will help anyone and everyone
does fence sell a depleted armor repair bag?
exactly i dont want to buy it if its depleted
You can check it's durability by inspecting it
But even if it has durability it will probably be super overpriced
do any early quests give one as a reward?
No
maybe ur rep is in the negatives
it is not
dude was cappin then
yo i was queuing and my insurance on all my shit just disappeared
is this a visual gletch
yes
How long in scav raid for something not be loose found in raid status?
guys please I need help for a task so bad I have less than a hour to find 3 splints, I did probably 20 raids looting everything I could but havent found a single one
I need that 3btg so bad
yeah I mostly did scav raids on reserve
you think its possible in less than a hour ?
thats what I thought
idk streets enough
Customs then
Iād say woods but not that many scavs
and customs has a lot of med spawns too
I just did to get one tap while fighting people at crackhouse
ah nvm
you can use them for surv 12 but cant craft them
who should I give chemicals pt 4 to? Skier, Propor or TheRapist
rapist
alright, I chose her
woods 100%
ok I'll go for woods I have 30 mins but my inj case is full of sj6
yes wooods#
what do i put this on
An m4 lower receiver
I started a game, been waiting 5mins, no game found, so I tried to left the lobby, now im stuck in a "leaving game"
no more chance to get my task done fk this game
is ana m1 better then m2?
The m1 has 2 2x2 slots
in terms of armor?
they got different material tho
thats how the game is everytime you cancel
m2 has titan, m1 has armor steel
longer you look the longer the cancel
Titan is a bit better
Slap a bayonet on it and charge ppl w it
so I looted usec camp and emercom, havent found a single splint
look behind you
the game just knows what I want
I've been looking for a 3BTG for probably 2 weeks now
just to get rid of colleagues p3
but the game just refuse to give me splints
Sanitar can have those no? Or/and tagilla has some stims too
It's done anyway
I did probably like 25 raids, looted every scavs I killed, every duffle/med bags, crates, anything
Haven't got a single splint
Solid stuff
i love boss scavs
Splints huh? Always some shit you need and cant find 
I keep finding them every time when I don't need them
do u get guns back if ai scav picks it up
Can someone help me with therapist not buying my stuff
for some reason she wont buy the keytool or these keys
she still offers to buy my meds and my dan jackiels it looks like its just these
not even fence will buy it :/
how long had this been an issue?
@violet adderi disconnected and died on my scav with chek15
im pissed
i cant stream while playing
otherwise i disconnect
i hate the ping limit
next scav will spawn with 2 chek15 keys

wait you just got the task ?
been looking weeks to
no the 3btg
ezudrgytshaHOMS
thats why i asked for extract time
colleagues questline sounds hard]
huh?
toook me years and about 5mil to get part 4 xD
yea its yust ass
I think I have too many SR-25
give me one tf??
feel u
ahh m1a enjoyer, I like this

wtf I just saw all those flir and razors
talked too fast
few bp
drums are all m995
ok but real question, how did you get so many thermals
I've seen flir only once this wipe and I died by it, ik that cuz my mate killed that guy and stole his flir
yust barterd
I got better than your fast mt
to be honest
?
....
oh
at start of wipe for like 250k
and flirs
to be honest yust scavs xD
lighthouse be like
these flexes are so wierd
I'm trying my best but I'm just a broke kid compared to him
how do people get millions and millions of rubles?
I seen someone on youtube with 133 Mill
good at pvp, knows what to pick, crafting stuff, good scav runs...
What do you take from people when you are PVPing them?
generally speaking, of course
guns, if you dont want the gun itself you can take attachements (mostly just scope, suppressor and foregrip), or just whatever you want
just search their rig or backpack
sometimes helmets are good too
?
how far can the axmc shoot without adjustment
Do you have post FX settings on your game looks very colorful
labs
or get lucky and find a colored card
most people dont have 100 mil
This wipe its very easy if you like to just farm rouble
thing is, if you want to sell like a red keycard on the flea for 75m, you'll have to spend like 2 or 3 millions on the fees
The lighthouse Island is legit free 1-2 mil pr run
thats pocket change
Its just boring as hell
if you're like lvl 60
You Can get it before that
I've been playing a lot on lighthouse recently, havent seen anyone going to the actual lighthouse
No its so empty out there
whats part 4, shoreline?
max has very nice postfx
Lighthouse Island?
Where The lighthouse is
Can you get there with scav runs?
You could spawn there as a scav
But idk anymore, theres people cheesing those claymores or whatever
I havent looked into that
should I just sell those moonshines ?
i do
Cuz honnestly I don't think it's worth using in the scav case
I used an intel once, big mistake
yo
scav case is awesome
why is the dorm 308 key so expensive? does it have a special spawn or something that isn't updated on the wiki?
!wiki dorm 308 key
https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Dorm_room_308_key
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page dorm 308 key for a direct link or !wiki search dorm 308 key for a list of all hits.
Dorm room 308 key (Dorm 308) is a Key in Escape from Tarkov.
if theres only 1 listing thats probably why its expensive
there's about 5 listed, all at 70k+
why? wiki just says there is just some loose rubles inside
ah, thxs
hittin da griddy
did Igolnik's damage get buffed or am i schizo
i remembered 545 igolnik's damage was 35 not 37
is rigged game the same as anesthesia
is he in the server?
what does facef mean
Everybody has to pay
yes
k ty
It's also dependant on each person's scav rep
Some people will need more than 5k of they have negative rep
you get fence rep increase by extract by Uber while playing PMC or survived a scav raid
lets go
wtf congrats
lmao im level 7 can't even sell on flea yet
i got from a ground cache on interchange
the helmet?
lol i only got level 1 traders and i just took that cuz it was in my stash
anybody willing to trade me a docs case for smth
oh lmao, what helmet should i buy then
the dick shape helmet at least
whats that claled lol
i just dont wear one
lol ok
as long as u can hear it dont matter
does anybody here wanna trade me a docs case
penis helmet not gonna stop a bullet
but it can protect you with shit ammo
cant drop them in raid they just go poof
no one in this stage of wipe is running bad ammo
just gonna get nailed in the face anyway
not worth money hit for new players
guess i need to level up then
early wipe penis helmet is pretty cool
oh yeah true it's mid wipe already
what if you kill somebody with docs case in their bag does that make it disappear
no one put docs case in their bag
they put in there pussy bag
yes
its only therapist lvl 2
oh damn where you get that info ?
my noggin
rn im level 7 how do i like level up fast
they always start like last month/few weeks of wipe
task
i have like 8 armor lv 5 and 6 i need to use it all
haha but if you dont use its just gonna take place is your stash
k
if u have the chance to kill like 8 scav normally give you 3k exp, killed pmc you wil get some more
i dont have any
alright!
what is a good level 1 trader build
i can't aim with mosin lmao'
I just posted a video in videos and really dont understand how I couldnt hear him, also any basic tip how I should have handled that situation instead?
ill take a gander
what lv are you, how do you think about MDR and ASH-12
- cant hear him because tarkov audio is awful
2.if u cant hear him there was rly nothing u can do at that lvl, but stopping and holding a left hand is prolly the best move
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mdr is great, i dont rly like ash 12 but its solid
not my kinda gun
beloved
I have both of it in my stash but i afraid i cant use it proper
damn it's a good trade lv4 trader ?
He insta killed me even when I think I shot first
im playing the cheapest eddition so its so hard for me to lv up trader
ash12 needs no mods besides optic and sight
mdr needs suppressor optic and foregrip but u need m80 minimum
yeah he is on a right hand with no audio
you just think, there's desync in this game also
my first actual fight with a pmc in like 5 raids and it ends so stupidly
cant drop in raid, btw trading is kinda not allowed :P
reserve this wipe is awful
so real
stop minimodding this shit was like 7 minutes ago
huff
reserve players this wipe just do not want to move
i literally jumped off a building and killed myself
because a guy wasnt moving
i saw
one of the clips ever
got so bored
literally repeeked 400 times
cant see him
like snooze lord
kill someones friend and they just dont move
then next raid
some dude just prone in grass
the prone lord
like how is labs less rattier than reserve
I ran around 20 raids today in reserve looking for tank battery, instead of tank battery I found 4 armor repair kits, its getting kinda crazy how I cant find one
last 2 wipe i saw it 3 times on factory and that's it
think i found my tank bat in an airdrop
its not a factory item tho
Oh ok
Also should I sell my ledx to trader or wait till lvl 15 to sell on flea
definitely flea
It could be a good idea to save it for quest later if youre not strapped for money
Iāve got around 800k rubles rn but no good guns except for sometimes on fence
Or I canāt find good guns
Selling the ledx wont give you guns
save it for lvl 35
you'll be able to get a thicc case
Iām level 7 rn :/
Ik but if I level up traders Iāll get access to more
its gonna take a month of active gameplay to get to 35 for you
Selling the ledx wont get you trader levels friend
Iāve been playing like a week or two and Iām only lvl 7
yea but still
it'll make the quest a whole lot easier
For the thicc case?
Whenās next wipe
If itās soon Iāll just sell
If not Iāll wait till I unlock flea and see how much money I have
??wipe
The latest wipe was <t:1672209000:R> (<t:1672209000:F>). Here are the patch notes for Patch 0.13.0. https://forum.escapefromtarkov.com/topic/169593-patch-notes-for-01300/
its in a few months, 2 or 3
ok
Is there a point in completing friend from the west part 2
Cause it seems like a waste of rub
leads to one of the most important early game quests
Ok cool someone else just said that thanks dude š
Helping new players sniping on lighthouse for money and gear DM ME
could anyone open the dorms marked room for me to plant a marker?
i can in 30 mins
ill let you know if you dont find someone before
awesome thank you!
np
have they changed rogue behavior recently? havent played in a week and twice in a row ive found rogues in places i have never seen them
is it where u need to spend 6k $ ? ofc, u unlock piss-keeper
yeah, that unlocks the ability to do peacekeeper tasks
if you want higher than lvl 2 PK you need to do it
*invested šŗ
Fuck
it's not a loss , lmao
should have been only dailies and weeklies
not normal tasks
Alll those m4s I could have bought
those have been locked behind friends from the west part 2 for years
?
I got it in the first month
And just spent all the dollar
Hahahahaha
@civic acorn just do some tasks , and get money back. And later on , u will start actually make profit
Bang bang
also there's still likely a month and a half of wipe
that's not much . condiering there is spa-tour task where u need invest 8 k $ 
if u don't have skill issues , ofc 
that's important
you don't have to pvp to make money
or even pve all that much
just survive scav runs, and avoid conflict every so often
sometimes u need to deal with player scavs, that don't care about karma
I just enjoy the best game ever made
meh, you lose 1 in 4 scavs during scav runs
With modern tech
you're still profiting
still need?
about 30gb including the launcher if I remember correctly
okay so the first 3 went fine but
when i tried to mark the 4th it wouldnt let me
is it bcos it was in my tech slot and not my container?
Depends on your internet
thank you <3
np
21gb download files, then some more time to install
internet speed is like 10 per sec or something ill do a speed test for it
if your internet's good then probably take about 10 or 15 min
this good?
Yeh pretty good
aight tyty
np
Hey guys getting my new laptop tomorrow im thinking about getting the game. Just wondering if my laptop will run the game ok. Itās a I7 13800h 14 core, 16 of DDR5 and a RTX 4060 8GB. ?
yeah 100%
@leaden aspen thanks bud appreciate it š¤š»
uhh it isnt downloading what do i do
yeah but it isnt able to be unpaused
restart the launcher see if it works
nice
get ready for pain
it's great
does it matter which server i first join on ?
new player looking for a group
quick PSA to new players

on your launcher, by the launch game button
@elfin elm I will a play a lot of dayz so hah
click on region, and sort by ping
manually select 3 or 4
and turn off the rest
cuts your match load times in half
thank you wise man 
will write that down for anyone who i ever plan to teach in the future
@elfin elm so do you think my laptop will run it okay?
oh, there's like an hour and half of "intro" information we usually teach new players when they first launch the game
very likey, only additions I would check is if you have an SSD
the game really wants to be installed on one
and the game is PRETTY ram hungry
so if the game has issues later, 32 gigs isn't a terrible idea
@elfin elm yeah itās a 1T SSD
though 16 is usually enough
depends on what you compare to, but yeah
fairly modest
especially for how many models and numbers the game uses
lmao
btw, that's all word of mouth from veterans and youtube stuff
no ingame tutorial
@elfin elm RRD 5 to and I can upgrade to 64 if I wonāt
yeah, just test the game for a while
ahh alright, I mean im in this server and ive got my friends whos been nagging me to play the game so im suire ill be okay for the most part :)
see if you like it and it runs okay
@elfin elm okay thanks for your help šš»
nice, tip for you as well.
you'll be "taught" a lot by playing with lots of people and friends, but you'll "learn" the most in solo play
yea to understand tarkov you're gonna be forced to understand a shit ton of info
so don't be scared to play without a group
ahh i see, Thank you for that i appreciate it !
any good place to look for UHF RFID readers?
lighthouse š
the warehouses on water treatment?
somewhere water treatment
there's a craft in the intel station, but it might be task locked
Light keeper locked
alr ty
Chalet aswell has some spawns
the western?
you can get that book without lightkeeper
A lot more rare than to just find uhf rfid in raid
i know just sayin
you do love 9x18 one shotting your head on an area your tier 4 helmet covers, whilst also being from at least 100 meters away
god i cant staxnd hackers when im trying to get my quests done
its like every other raid i do is infested with them
it makes an otherwise fun game near impossible to play
what makes it worse is he was extract camping too
i ran away from the gunfire i heard after he killed a player before, and it was directly at zb011
I mean Ive played w you once and you said a guy was cheating when he killed you lmao
like the most obvious non cheater ever
:p
that was literally when i had played for a single day lmao
i didnt understand how much range shit had
noi
you were like level +20
i just take issue with 9x18 penning tier 4 shit with a single bullet
3%
It could have been blunt damage
pbm
i was on full health
no damage taken all raid
would someone help me build smth please?
1 tapped top of head
you were killed inside resort too
from roughly 100 metersd
How do you know bro was extract camping
i remember, that was abt a week into the time i had played and was mad because i found a scar h
heard 9x18 right outside of zbo1011 before i repositioned
im just saying your hackusations are on thin ice lol
i had no idea abt the layout of resort and also, my teammate literally said it was suspicious before i even knew
ive only reported people twice this wipe
this will be the third
I was your teamm8
it was a five man bro
no memory whatsoever
Will anyone be available to help me with energy crisis around lunch time? If it isn't the rogues sniping me, it's players camping it bushes up there.
In*
youre trolling

killed his teammate, so he decides to shoot me through the walls across the entirety of office
from one staircase to another i shit you not

if he was cheating you wouldnt have killed his teammate
not desync, no nothing
you forget people who cheat are either really good at the game to the point where they get away with it or are shit already
no you just seem to be calling out every death you have
when i die first bullet they are cheating fr
reddit would agree with you g
when i die to a single 9x18 bullet through tier 4 armour they are cheating fr
i usually do, just gets annoying considering its rare i load into a lobby without one at this poinbt
i have spawned in as pmc and immediatel;y died to a melee headshot too many times
rarely die to a cheater
bro theres not that many cheaters, you cant possibly find one every raid
i very much do

when i dont i actually enjoy the game
bro got low trust factor
its at a bare minimum
but when i cant get a single quest done because timmy got mad and installed cheats its really pissing me off
Clip ur deaths and ill believe you
might start doing that
but if i did every death i would have like a fucking folder full

highly doubt you die to cheator
no gamble em away
W
nope, either sell to peacekeeper or scav case
youre clearly low level
??
?
Yeah pk gives you the most money but whats the point of selling it for like 30k
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trader value mostly
so based
bro youre lost
bad bait
lol you bit hard tho

lmao
things got better lol
no cheats, got two pmc kills and a shit ton of loot
sometime i happy, sometime i sad
bipolar is another thing to add to your list of mental illnesses
sometimes delusional, sometimes not
real
I would just sell to flea then buy shit from peacekeeper with that
nah i dont have bipolar bro
ik what i got now
Sheesh, my request for assistance in the beginner assistance channel got buried by bickering.
What you need
.
Lunch time isn't a time that is the same around the world though
Don't worry about it. This seems to be par for the course here. I'll find another eft discord. Nbd, good luck to you all
They're gone
Shit happens sometimes
Fuck i got extremely cold hands
Ffs
Fuck i have broken bone and pain
can anyone help me find him, looked in the woods a few times but carnt seem to find him.
you ever found then crashed plane? @fast lion
no, i havnt seen it
yes
that would be great
ait just send me a voicechannel
so i got the game gifted to me. i downloaded the launcher. but at the launcher it says to buy it again. any suggestions on what to do?
yes to both of the questions
I'd see about contacting support or #community-support
ive got a message to them. they havent responded yet
any new players need a hand hit me up in dms I can help you for a bit
hey guys I have a little question, is it normal I have only like 30-40 fps with this spec?
intel core i5-7400
Nvidia Geforce gtx 1050ti
8gb ram
I tried like 4 or 5 tutorials from yt to improve my fps but the only difference I saw is at the beginning of the raid (I suppose Im not really knowledgable about game yet) I get this 60 fps and after 5 seconds it goes back to 30-40
and I have my tarkov installed on ssd
above average tbh
8 gigs isnt enough for tarkov
so the problem mainly might be ram? or is there anything else I could try?
well honestly your whole specs are kinda low, tarkov is quite a hard to run cus of the bad optimization
dont think you can improve your fps that much
make sure your game is fullscreen make give you a few
I mean its not horibble to play with these 40 fps tbh I had worse experience like playing ac3 on 20fps on my old laptop but I just wanted to ask couse maybe I have missed something important but thanks for help :3 oh and sorry if my english is a little bit lacking words or proper grammar
ANYBODY got a good budget SVDS Build?
i know u doo xD
2/10
no gangsta build
get a 2x16 kit or 2x8 they really cheap these days
ive seen people w similar gpus run like 60ish
i dont really see tarkov eatin much cpu or gpu for me
which 9*21 bullet is the best?
not worth using bt imo
you shoot too quick anyways
punisher?
i just ran a stock svd with a monstrum on it and ifnished in a couple games
first game killed 5 i think was gonna camp w friend in d2 but ran into campers already there and another team of campers behind us
idk im not gonna use it lol
Not too great specs, and the devs donāt seem to know what āoptimizationā means. 30-40 fps is still playable tho, right? Also, nice gpu. Also rocked the exact same one before finally getting a new one a few weeks ago
yeah playable but kinda hard to see ppl from further distance but its not that bad
I know the pain, didnāt play tarkov but a lot of other games where I was at a disadvantage because of limited render distance and fps
thats one lighthouse run
now an extra 500k for guns and barterr items on flea
2.6m
my new record
Lighthouse is wild
You could have made more money though selling that on flea
Was that a PMC or a scav
one expansion run
This is my record raid and it was on lighthouse
My new record would have been yesterday
If ping didn't frick me over
I'm so mad about it
Forget it, keeping memories like that will just hold you down from performing better next raids
Best advice, if you died, its in the past
Keep moving forward
My performance was not the cause of my death
I disconnected
expansion is for losers
I'm just pissed at the game
i do rogue camp
i sold most to flea
Doesnt change the fact that its gonna affect your performance in the future, so just forget.
It was a chek 15 key š
What expansion
Oh did lighthouse not have a lighthouse before
Just inaccessible
Can't you still cheese it
why would i spend hours just to get an item that can help me get loot
if i can just go rogue camp and make same amount
btc carrying hard lmao
cant have labs without L
neither am i
dude frr ive been playing labs and its so dead
but doing tedious tasks will not cure my boredom
pvp?
thats like all thats left
well there is loot in labs
quite a bit
but not as consistent
the pmc loot is harder to get
yea
but the pmc loot isnt worth much
black has a million injectors with ledxs here and there, offices have ledx spawns and those square things needed for solar power, 100 pcs everywhere and raider loot
not to mention you have a couple rare item spawns down in middle area of black side, then you have the entirety of cat side
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killing ppl with slicks and hex's are worth quite much ngl
the pmc loot at most is like 500k combined
nope
you can only carry so many guns
considering they're so big
dude a meta gun is already 300k
idk what ur getting
the decked out m4s and hks are like 200k to mechanic
300k to traders? mono you're trippin
no, it costs 300k to buy, not to sell
to build silly
or no, its like 150k to sell
yea dont sell lmao, go back and use their guns
gg ez
hey all, should I message ppl in #pvp-lfg or is there a more noob friendly way to connect? Im re-entering late wipe so I need somebody who really knows the ropes
depends for what, #beginners-chat is gud for asking questions
I want to run some lower tier missions, but if I go with other noobs we're all gonna get head eyesed' so I might need a sherpa
A good sherpa will let you be head eyesed
lol well i'm p good at that
Love raiders
āļø
hes too cool for me sorry
he wouldn't play with me
goob
im tarbobin
imma find some uber noobs
@cyan briar common jagon W lmao
im back to no space
time for another thicc
sean u must help me rouble tmrw
im very poor
Why do i get 0 xp when i train in the gym?
sell rfb š« buy another thicc āļø
also what does severe muscle pain do?
im usin it for factory
leave the rfb alone
Is there a limit how much mail I can have from ragman (flea sales)?
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i shit talk so hard on tiktok hahaha
63 killas lets gooo
yo any chads know what i gotta take a lapua to make it small and so i can fit it in my wepons case
suppressor off, mag and grip
it dont got a pistol grip thoo
Mlstly i cant tell if its raider or normal scav
then its always a 2 slot haha
sad
who tf sold 4 ledx to fence
cant sell em anywhere else lol
therapist dont buy them ?
Bugged
oh didnt know that
What is this grip?
How are people supposed to enjoy this game when every game has a hacker just beaming everyone to death
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Like how is this allowed, and my game crashed for the first time ever after this death
so I couldnt even report him
Not this
which one then
Named grip from this sc
this one ?
no I use it on all good setups
28k usually
nah you can use it on pretty much any guns
How much is this one
anyone willing too help me
figured it out
W
ill sell
you got this barter if you want
where do i get nixxor
inercnge
I find them sometimes in interchange like 1 every 6 raids
no
ill sell then
just a cheap leg round but they don't even do that too well