eft-story-and-lore-discussion

[celest willow]

oh, ok. thank you. is that sound global or only i can hear it?

[indigo wolf]

only you can hear it

[brittle parcel]

you have to play silent hill 4 to find out whats behind that door.

[plain bronze]

DID ANYONE FIND MILITARY POWER FILTER SOMEWHERE?

[scenic gorge]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[severe coral]

Yes, dufflebag 😄

[regal fog]

is REF the REFeree of arena hmm...

[jade stag]

So there's this dude right, his name is Nikita. And he's like a coder in the city of tarkov and then one day his code breaks and he's so mad he activates an EMP through the norvinsk region and then the Russian army isn't enough to stop him so PMCs join up. Oh and also there's this pharmaceutical company that does weird shit and USEC pair with them cause free money yknow

Oh and also last October some scientist at the lab made zombies

Cause why not

And let's not forget that scavs feast on spark plugs because I can't find any in this fucking joke of a region

[north glacier]

all spark plugs harvested to make one huge spark plug

[austere berry]

does anyone know if thres a video essay on the lore

[naive shadow]

@austere berry EUL Gaming on YT

bros got all tarky lore even the lead up events to it

[austere berry]

thanks, i need something comparable to pyrocynical's 8 hour video on darkwood but tarkov

[naive shadow]

felt that. theyre pretty lengthy. not 8 hours but 30 mins to a few hours

hes got a playlist of 32 vids on deck lol good luck marine

[austere berry]

ah

that should be enough lol

thank you

[jade stag]

A lot of them

[nocturne quail]

a game reference, nice

[short cedar]

what does the term 'nerf gunner' mean? prapor always says "oi nerf gunner..." when my insurance comes back. is it some weird translation?

[hybrid dome]

Nerf guns shoot foam darts that can't hurt anything

a gunner is someone who wields a gun

He's saying your insurance came back because your shooting didn't get you out alive

[short cedar]

oohh ok, that makes a lot of sense. thanks lol

[flat bolt]

https://youtube.com/shorts/4UpbgQdrXJo?si=nJfEgVRvTut9q-U9 Backrooms cannon? (JP)

[vernal ingot]

ukhti yabagala
That’s about as close as I can get to my favorite scav line. I need a translation so bad. 😂😂 help!

[copper geyser]

There is a guy on yt who translated most scav lines
Might get lucky there
(Note its prob slurs)

[urban mural]

The lore hasnt said anything about 90% of the pmcs are cheating which is kinda weird considering how true it is

[copper geyser]

The lore how it doesnt state that almost all people like you are crying about cheaters
Call the game broken because thats actually the case
But cheaters are mostly you not being able to cope with the fact you died to someone else

[urban mural]

try playing African servers I dare you, labs is literally unplayable

[urban mural]

Almost all players like me crying about cheaters? I don't know if you know tarkovs current cheating situation it's literally the worst it's ever been downright horrendous and you suckle on bsg bossum?

[urban mural]

You're seriously delusional please go watch a video from 10IQ or verybadscav

[urban mural]

also bugs in this game are out of hand

[urban mural]

there is zero defending bsg on this with how much one account costs i should be seeing a cheater once a year

[copper geyser]

Im not even defending bsg and you say im delusional

[urban mural]

on the cheating front you definitely were

was just stating that bugs were out of hand

[copper geyser]

No
I just said the issues were worse then cheaters
You cant even tell if someones up your ass before you get smoked

[urban mural]

I could care less about audio in this age i can turn around and shoot someone if their ass if not i die anyway the cheating situation on african servers is downright horrendous ill join a vc and stream for you so you can see how bullshit it is if you need proof

[urban mural]

elaborating this shit further is only gonna drag it out if you need proof ill literally send screenshots of every raid or stream

[exotic mirage]

What's the explaination with the sniper zones we sometimes find on the borders of the map ? Who are they and why do they shoot on sight ?

[loud oriole]

It’s mostly just a gameplay thing. They are just scav snipers.

[copper geyser]

For flare exfils its a signal to stand down (prob suppose to differentiate friendlies from easy kills)
Car they might be in cahoots with the driver to only let paying people pass

[devout crown]

Real

[urban mural]

lol

[open cairn]

Lorewise, where do the mortar shots come from? Just some random ass field?

[half knot]

Scavs

[raw belfry]

What's the lore on rats in tarkov, it seems that the wipes never kill them

[slim path]

[hardy verge]

anyone wanna join sniper only co op

[jade stag]

They didn't let the vermin exterminator into the norvinsk region

[jade stag]

#pvp-lfg

[sand bolt]

I wanna see more lore for “blackfox” from the raid series. Any points of reference?

[mystic shadow]

how are secure containers supposed to realistically work? theyre like the smuggler cases but are they self destructive or something to prevent the stuff in it from being opened by ur killer?

[slim path]

[leaden hare]

Spoiler: They're ficitonal

at least their use case from the game, IRL they're prolly just really sturdy cases

[mystic shadow]

tarkov prides itself on being plausible irl for the most part outside of partisan being able to talk to birds

so thats lame tbh

[leaden hare]

It doesn't. It's inspired by reality for the sake of immersion (the vibes) but it's still a work of fiction and for the sake of gameplay a lot of realism is lost.

[hoary cove]

[proud magnet]

Experimental physics, wormholes… 🤷🏻‍♂️

[distant robin]

где найти тиму

[slim path]

hi

[near sun]

[desert panther]

if the game is so realistic why cant the pmc just shit their pants

[rotund lark]

So anyone already scanned the QR code in Geneburn Poster? theres a link to a irl location

[raw belfry]

because they are clogged from a safe box shoved up their ass that they can access on the fly

[desert panther]

this guy deserves an award

[tawny shoal]

I'd say they're sturdy enough not to be opened by force, so only you can decrypt it. Prapor brings it back as insurance?

[tawny shoal]

Bruh you're on a channel about in-game lore 💀 that's exactly the kind of thing people theorize about. How we can explain through the in-game world how sht works.

[leaden hare]

There are some things that you obviously can't lol.

Riddle me this, within game lore how can sanitar tank a bullet piercing through his entire brain

[shadow loom]

well lets say its made of really thick titanium or steel and its just never worth taking especially if you're a scav, no one has the tools to open them effectively, you'd probably get shot before you could open it etc, even if you took it home, we have blastproof and pretty much everyhing proof items in real life so, why can't the container, isn't tarkov set somehwat in the future i can't remember, they may have invented something we haven't.

its not really a lore thing as down to we do have secure containers in real life....dont the japanese guards who protect their leader irl have bullet proof briefcases they unfold that makes a shield and a gun is inside ?

[raw belfry]

They are safeboxes stuffed inside a PMCs ass, you really wanna reach on someone else's "box"?
I didn't think so

[copper geyser]

the pmc havent learned how to say no homo

[tawny shoal]

He's drugged beyond human comprehension. Heals instantly.

Again… "explaining" weird or ilogical stuff through in-game "magic" or whatever is exactly the fun of lore discussions.

[neon mural]

Are scav runs canon?

[copper geyser]

Your pmc prob caps some random ivan who has a ton of stuff on him near the bunker but thats about it

[dull pine]

The secure containers are 100% your butthole, its canon

[peak epoch]

U saing that i Have 4 taiga machets up My but?

[dawn wharf]

Yes

[young juniper]

my pal started shooting enemy and i go bang bang he say no not here wait till bedroom and i go nono i mean shoot gun silly sausage

[young juniper]

haha fast forward about 7 years later and i nearly fell over!!!

so anyway my guy smooch said he smokes weed and i replied...

oh my golly gosh that is disgusting

touching hard drugs like that

so then a scav came and went zichimberely choor

so i grabbed my toz-106 20GA Bolt-Action Shotgun filled with 20-70 TSS Armour Piercing Slug rounds and then my gum jammed

ha ha i meant gun

[jade stag]

Did you and your friend cheeki breeki after that

[jade stag]

Lucky basterd

[slim path]

[graceful moth]

wheres command?

and why did they just leave us?

[jade stag]

Because they died

[graceful moth]

no way man....

[marsh totem]

that and abandoned after the lockdown of norvisk reigon that made it impossible for anyone to leave/enter tarkov without granted access, and such access is unobtainable, and even then we dont know how the outside world is after the fall of tarkov as of this date, maybe terminal will shed some light on that

[jade stag]

i watched the whole storyline, dont worry

[viral gale]

So, bosses like Gluhar and his buddies are chill with Raiders? Any lore?

[loud oriole]

They just are raiders is more or less the lore

[gentle kindle]

ha ha ha when the scav shoots the enemy and the enemy gets shot by the scav ha ha

but then the enemy gets shot by the scav 🤣

but then the raider shot the enemy and the enemy shot the raider ha ha ha

wh owould win scav vs raider vs rizzler

i think maybe the rizzler because he would rizz the raider and the scav and then shoot them ha ha

[slim path]

[agile epoch]

we left all that rizzler stuff in 24 💔

[mint forum]

anybody got an inseq pipe wrench on their scav?

[loud oriole]

This lore chat not wrench chat

[slim path]

hih

[jade stag]

Heh

[slim path]

hi

[strange mist]

where can you buy the offical eft books predator the voice behind and master of the night

?

[mighty star]

maybe somoene have discount for tarkov?

[jade stag]

Dawg just get 50 dollars

Or wait till summer discount or 1.0 discount

[copper geyser]

Nope
They are kinda MIA
Been so for a good chunk of time

[obtuse junco]

Can anyone possibly provide insight on the tattos of the usec frog top

[ripe walrus]

??sale

[vernal jasper]

Seconding this, I remember reading the first book back like 6 years ago but the other two have disappeared from the face of the earth but I do remember that they were officially released at one point

Ik Spitfire already touched on it but if anyone knows of any possible way...

[green root]

i havent found the physical books.

[open cairn]

Late reply but there's also the V.E. day discount in May

[clear pike]

did you figure out anything with the code under the qr code?

[jade stag]

Might I indulge in knowing what VE is

[open cairn]

Victory in Europe, an important Russian holiday

Russian published and made games like Tarkov, War Thunder, and even Star Conflict, will have discounts in their games

I bought standard in 2018 during said holiday too

[jade stag]

Oh aight

How much discount?

[open cairn]

25% iirc?

Or up to 50%, I kinda forgot

[jade stag]

Ight

Might want to invest in unheard

[opal fractal]

it never goes to 50%
25% max, but it doesnt feel like a sale because of sales tax, depending on where you live.

[pliant musk]

I want to ask a serious question, a question that is bugging the absolute shit out out of me:

"Why do bosses aggro towards the player scav on sight?"

[indigo wolf]

Because they don’t trust them unless they have a good reputation

[shadow loom]

same reason crime bosses dont let you just walk up to them, cause everyones dangerous until proven otherwise i guess

[pliant musk]

What is good rep? My Fence is currently 3.47

[indigo wolf]

6.0+

[pliant musk]

I appreciate you

[uncut vector]

What did Terragroup produce before the war? And what was the catalyst for it?

[rustic nymph]

The compass lore is as such: The compass does not work because if it did, you would be able to escape from Tarkov.

[desert panther]

1. The company officially deals in scientific research concerned with biotechnology applied in the agribusiness industry and farming
2. its not really a war
3. the "catalyst" would be the emp strike powerful enough to deactivate all vehicles and devices in norvinsk region

[edgy inlet]

anyone no why we cant just hop the wall or do a shawshank redemption ting just to escape

[uncut vector]

2. What is it then? Buildings are on fire and there are two teams fighting each other. Then shit happened right? And now we're trying to escape cause the "war" is over with no winners
3. An emp? Did it destroy vehicles? Cause we can build generators in our bases and power light bulbs manufactured before the EMP. Also many things that require electricity are still working. So was it just... "Cars"? Lol

[shadow loom]

PMCS are mercs not soldiers, as you can see in the questlines you do things for your own personal gain, you're not the UN so to speak, (the good kind not the peacekeeper kind) essentially its just a merc war and see who can get out with the most money or power for some, where as you can't leave tarkov because there's an exlusion zone (like the sniper exits that you get domed at) that are essentially ''you can't through here, so you are stuck with these people in this zone also, i believe that various groups split up before tarkov, but i wouldn't know, i never played contract wars

[shadow loom]

i think number two might be explained by the mechanic, since he lives in factory right? and hes trying to get a grid up and running or something, I'm not entirely sure but, i think he has something to do with that from our perspective, its just a guess

[uncut vector]

Yeah but as BEAR, you're a Russian spec ops right? And even if you aren't a soldier, Merc wars are still wars. Also, why when the "EMP" go off, that the people who are Mercs start killing their own comrades? Like why are BEARs killing other BEARs? I can KINDA see USEC, but idk even USEC turning into lowly scavengers essentially is weird. Also, if it wasn't a war, then why are there mines littered around many maps? That would take an immense amount of time and effort to lay them all. Specifically looking at Woods

[shadow loom]

you know theres one woman and its therapist right? i think we should explain that first

but you know a lot of things in the game don't make sense

[uncut vector]

My theory is that the two factions fought over some catalyst (or them fighting at ground Zero WAS the catalyst and it started a full blown war between USEC and BEAR or Russia and Terragroup). Then, the war tore apart the special economic zone and has turned Tarkov into what it is today, war torn and government-less. Every man for themself

[uncut vector]

Hence the creation of this chat channel eh

[shadow loom]

no i was just saying that...sometimes things aren't fully explained

[uncut vector]

To discuss the lore and try to come up with one

That's fine too! Its fun to come up with your own interpretations

[shadow loom]

yep

[shadow loom]

because we're literally all stuck in here why wouldn't we fight thats a good question too

i mean i guess in the end we're just a dog for various factions, in fact i often ask myself is this escape from tarkov or exploit tarkov as much as you can ?

[timid needle]

Someone tell me the entire lore of tarkov in a text

[uncut vector]

@me

[hard bloom]

yo im thinking of buying tarkov which version should i get?

[willow forge]

Are backache and gus unique guards ?

[desert panther]

BACKACHE😭

[willow forge]

Oof

Gus fring and backache

[desert panther]

its basmach

how do you mess it up that bad

[willow forge]

Auto correct

[graceful cliff]

Wrong chat but just but standard edition or a key for it if its cheaper in your country and then you can always upgrade if you like the game

[slow pumice]

So if I am correct terralabs was doing some bad stuff right?

[jade stag]

The story about the start of this dumbster fire is terragroup had been doing borderline illegal stuff, or something along those lines. So the Russian government sent BEAR operatives to the TG building in ground zero. Before the ops could even enter into the TG building, USEC pmcs posted up on machine guns rained hell upon them. That's why it's called ground zero

The rest is pretty much it

However what I don't understand is that in the scav description it says "while the others fled the country, these civilians mostly compromised of sociopaths and criminals, stayed behind to fight for riches and for their territory"

Sum along those likes

[uncut vector]

I wonder if most civilians (except the Scavs) fled while the war was happening (cause we don't see any except for other PMCs and Scavs [the civs that stayed behind]) and now that the war is pretty much over, war has shifted and now it's every man for themself? I'm not sure at what point it shifted, or whether the shift was an ORDER from the commanders or if eventually all the PMCs lost contact with the commanders back at base in Russia and Terragroup, and so now they're just trying to get out of Tarkov to regroup and reestablish communication with their "employers"

[ancient pendant]

I feel like it's more of a complete abandonment of that area due to some outside force because of the achievement where you find out who really controls tarkov which implies that it's neither in the hands of Russia or bear group or usec and terragroup, and some voice lines from usec operators suggest that usec pulled completely out of Russia and the usec operators we see either chose to stay behind or couldn't make it out in time

[drifting root]

anyone wanna help me stack in arena, i cant find a good team and i desperately need one for this task, please help

[drifting root]

im str8

[indigo wolf]

Amazing lore

[open cairn]

Has there been any live depictions of the Goons? I think them and Shturman are the only bosses who haven't showed up yet.

[stable sparrow]

lore question: would usec fw kanye?

[chilly mist]

pls sell sp7 ammo highballing my wallet is 9mil

[late tendon]

As a corporate structure? Unlikely. As individual contractors? Most definetly

[jovial gulch]

XD

[shadow loom]

wait are there even any colored people at all in tarkov

so theres no colored people and no women except therapist

[indigo wolf]

Because there isn’t, and it doesn’t matter at all

And there are more women than therapist in the game lore

[obtuse junco]

Can anyone confirm what bronze pocket watch is doing inside of light keepers tower on the table in his room

[obtuse junco]

I think there could be a connection with light keeper and prapor

[uneven shell]

do i post bug reports in the lore?

[half knot]

Report bugs in the launcher

[half knot]

Japanese USEC exists now so....

However i find the idea of a PMC from Japan to be Extremely unlikely just due to how abnormal working for a PMC company would be.
Secondarily is the legal issues.

Under Japanese Law PMCs are considered government employees regardless of what the company of origin is so long as that Contractor is a Japanese citizen and works for an established company that is also registered in japan (For example if USEC or TGLABS had a facility in japan) they would be considered Governmnet employees. More importantly USEC just woudn't be able to operate in Japan as Private companies are not legally allowed to posess weapons in Japan.

Funny thing is i could be talking to a brick wall because he could be Japanese-American or something as such.

[steady vigil]

What did they put in the milk that I am able to drink it for sustenance and its expiry date was in 2017 according to the label?

[polar beacon]

Boy milk

[shadow loom]

thats quite a cool one actually, i didn't know that, how do you know that? thats really awesome, its actually why i asked the question since now we have a random asian usec, i was more curious about...maybe WHY they might or might not be there, rather than -it doesn't matter- so thanks, that was insightful, i assume this is probably the same for other countries? but yeah i would assume they're american-asian they still have the same american accent right? so, i'd assume...they are?

[rugged star]

I geniuenly belive that ragman is on coke

and i think it would be funny if they added such a quest where you have to fetch a "brick" for him

[jade stag]

Wdym he's on coke

[rugged star]

his dialogue and behavior looks to me like he's snorting coke

[jade stag]

Ight

I do agree 100 chest rigs is a tad bit too much

[slow pumice]

He looks like it too, that 80s coke snorter type business man

[rugged star]

Yeah

[raw belfry]

Any lore on the interaction between the Goons and Cultists?

[hazy bloom]

@carmine geyser there’s no gps according to lore - most stuff is jammed afaik

[carmine geyser]

ahh yeah, Valid didnt think about that aspect tbh

[rugged star]

No clue on goons and cultists, but I strongly suspect that therapist is the leader of the cult

[raw belfry]

Both groups share 3 map spawns, I hope they add in some connnection between the two in the future

[dim trellis]

In birdeye‘s bag, it mentions that it can be split in half for storage purposes, but when the player accesses it it’s only a very thin container. I’m assuming there’s stuff in there that birdeye‘s got, considering the bag itself is a whopping 15 kilograms with nothing in the usable slots. It’s not really a lore question but it’s late at night and I can’t fall asleep

[copper geyser]

Its a radio backpack
Those are heavy especially the Longe range ones

[stoic swift]

long range radio heavy asl

and still has room for more stuff

[reef viper]

ah yes...ground zero , where the first guy got aids

[solemn glen]

is the goal to escape from tarkov??? if so... why not just leave? (i'm genuinely asking cuz i can't be bothered to read wikipedia)

[past axle]

What are the illicit activites of TerraGroup? What messed up things did they do to that lead to a whole territory into buffer zones for combat?

[reef viper]

ain't so easy

iirc a huge chunk of the area around tarkov and the norvinsk region is blocked off

and also the actual exfil to tarkov is the one in shoreline at the port

theres probably a couple more but thats one of hte main ones

[desert panther]

experimenting on people and something something biological weapons, probably more

[past axle]

Makes sense.

[pliant musk]

Smuggling (including weapons and armored vehicles), kidnapping, human experimentation, allegedly biological/chemical weapons experiments, bribery on enormous scale, murder, resisting lawful orders of law enforcement officials, attacking and killing said officials, etc etc etc

The percentage of their legal activities in Tarkov is much lower than of illicit ones.

[past axle]

How do people actually believe their lies in the lore is beyond me. Thanks!

[pliant musk]

Ordinary people dont see it, and those who are enough high up to see are either dead or on payroll
Besides they operate with several shell companies providing services

The lab you play in officially doesnt exist

[past axle]

Then I'm just raised different, I dunno. It makes sense what happens, too. BEAR needs concrete evidence to prove TerraGroup aren't harmless animals, because nobody will believe the Russian government, because, erm, they're Russian, damn politics, affecting even the lore of video games.

[pliant musk]

The lore was made prior to even 2010

[past axle]

When was Contract Wars released?

[pliant musk]

Ye

[past axle]

I see.

Well, then I guess I am wrong, since around that time things weren't as heated up as today.

[pliant musk]

Lets not talk about any of the sort mkay

[past axle]

I agree. I just want to play vidoe games.

[pliant musk]

Tarkov in universe was an economic project to enhance russia-west cooperation for mutual monetary benefit

Which worked until TG decided to screw it up

Then theres also unnamed intelligence service messing around using Peacekeeper and his rank in UN forces

[shadow loom]

wait what, how? why? i didn't know this....

[reef viper]

isn't it supposed to be under gz or streets of tarkov somewhere?

wdym it doesn't exist

[pliant musk]

I mean on papers

[reef viper]

on papers yes

[past axle]

I just finished watching the movie. I have to add that it was very well made, much better then most big productions. Back to the topic, my question is, it's the movie canon?

[jade stag]

When you go into labs with insured gear, prapor tells you the lab isn't something he knows about therefore it must not be real. From what I remember the description of the lab even tells it

[mystic garnet]

When it says that labs isnt real i think the meaning is that its undocumented, as in its a secret facility that has been undocumented for plausible deniability from terragroup leadership, which would make sense that USEC did a clean house on all documentation/scientists working in the facility when shit hit the fan. Now i will say that with that said, having giant terra group signs everywhere in labs kinda defeats that purpose but im guessing terragroup didnt see this geopolitical turmoil coming

[shadow loom]

Oh i thought you meant it literally, righttttt, so only you know properly about the labs?
then is there a reason people buy cards e.g the traders or theres barters for them, etc? those traders know?

Also one more question, if its soooo secret, when you go there....well, you know where it is now, so...it isn't secret anymore...so why wouldn't you tell others?

[shadow loom]

This is is also a great answer, thanks! it is strange about all the signs, but terragroup fronted as a normal company too did they not? so they sold pharmaceuticals as well?

[jade stag]

Because out of the thousands of PMCs still alive in the norvinsk region, why would they listen to you

Prapor's boys don't come back from the lab

All it is for him is a few guys dying

Someone killed them before they got to your stuff

[shadow loom]

cause im a nice guy?
cause i have keycards to prove it?
Cause i'm a trusted person?

But then if your people are constantly going there and getting gunned down i see your point, i guess in the future it will be expanded on

so when i go as a pmc, why do i not get gunned down? cause I'm the player and there's no explanation ? its fine if thats the reason, sometimes it just has to be like that, also who are the OTHER pmcs that are there?

[jade stag]

tarkov just became a shitshow

everyones shooting at eachother

the Contractors left tarkov

youre one of the last PMCs stuck in there

no more side to stick to

no more rules to follow

chaos ensues

[shadow loom]

ohhhhh so its just a case of there actually being less pmcs than I actually think there are...for gameplay reasons ?

[jade stag]

not sure what that means

but BEAR and USEC are companies/armies

when they pulled their forces out of the norvinsk region, some PMCs where left behind

those include MIA pmcs that did not die

expansive PMCs that where not worth the trouble

and those who just wherent able to get out in time

we are those

[shadow loom]

I mean theres less pmcs than the game makes out there to be

[jade stag]

yes

[mystic garnet]

I think your thinking about this from a conventional war standpoint, in a situation like norvinsk, you cant trust anybody not even the traders really, theyre only in it for a buck and see you as a means to do their bidding. no one is "nice" to you because they see everyone as a means to an end. youre either useful to someone or u die. Now as far as the labs cards, i have a theory that prapors guys do infact come back and he just feigns ignorance to keep the gear for himself. but thats unconfirmed and just merely conjecture from me.

[loud oriole]

No scavs on labs, scavs bring your insured gear back = no insurance on labs. It really do be that simple

[shadow loom]

yeah thats what i thought, cause they always say ''I'll send my people'' but they always send you first into a fray in quests like ''my people can't get here'' because their peoples are just scavs, they're not really anything special.

[shadow loom]

doesent therapist know about labs tho, you can insure through her, i assume you don't get it back though still?

[jade stag]

You cannot

[loud oriole]

No scavs on labs, scavs bring your insured gear back = no insurance on labs. It really do be that simple

[shadow loom]

I get that, i thought maybe therapist used something else

[loud oriole]

Skier/prapor/therapist/ whoever, their “people” are implied to be scavs, raiders have their own allegiances and it’s not with the traders, you can look at other PMCs in the same light, theoretically you (and other player PMCs) could been seen as “therapists people” or whatever trader, but for simplicity sake just imagine the PMCs you’d run into in raid have no connection to the traders, even though from their perspective they do.

[shadow loom]

Thats the answer i was looking for

[loud oriole]

In the lore there is like factions of scavs, raiders, ect. In game they are all clumped tho

[shadow loom]

So even so if she used anther service like pmc, it wouldnt even matter, they would just take the shit for themselves, they would be ''higher in the chain'' same as raiders

like diamond mining

and nobody gives a shit about anyone, so , even if it was possible, they would just take it all for themselves since its so valuable because those people CAN.

[loud oriole]

Scavs themselves get paid by the traders (or you in the scav case) to collect insurance, the role PMCs would play for the traders is like tasks and such. A good example is the BTR task line where depending. Which route you take, one or the other tells you “hey, there’s PMCs working with the driver/skier, take them out” and in your PoV you’d be killing “skiers guys” or vice versa.

[shadow loom]

thats kinda interesting, so, one more question, the way you put it, traders seem more like ummm...gang bosses? why do they have this leverage ?

its like the traders are the top tier people

[loud oriole]

Scavs are out here doing anything they can to survive. So they will give your built M4 back to prapor in trade for money to buy food, PMCs are here to thrive, so they would just take your M4 and put it in their stash (is kinda how I look at it)

[loud oriole]

They definitely are like gang bosses, some more than others

Skier specifically is kinda inferred to be running a smuggling gang

[shadow loom]

i get skier in particular is

[loud oriole]

PK is kinda like a rogue Conractor trying to make drugs in tarkov for profit

[shadow loom]

i thought he was trying to make UN look good?

[loud oriole]

Where as mechanic/jager are lone wolves doing their own thing

[shadow loom]

propaganda ?

[loud oriole]

No on in tarkov is here for anything other than benefiting themselves

PKs tasks your bassicly helping him build a drug lab in shoreline

[shadow loom]

ok sometimes i dont pay attention to the small details it seems

[loud oriole]

The only one with actual morals is jager, which explains why his tasks suck the most

[shadow loom]

...you said it. respect the jaeger hate, but now i feel bad.

what is Jaegers final objective?

[loud oriole]

Protect the nature reserve essentially

End the conflict of tarkov

Did you do the zombie event?

[shadow loom]

no

[loud oriole]

Jager vs therapists task for that were cool

Therapist kills all the infected

Jagers, harder quest line

You cure everyone instead

He wants to help, therapist just wanted to make money

[shadow loom]

I always thought therapist was good.

[loud oriole]

Therapist is argueably the worst of the bunch

[shadow loom]

I'm not exceptionally heavy on tarkov lore i didn't play contract wars either see

[loud oriole]

She friends with sanitar, respects TG, wants to continue their research, and sees the tarkov conflict as a good umbrella to use to hide all the bad shit she does

[shadow loom]

thats why she gets mad when you kill him

What in particular is bad about him though?

[loud oriole]

Yes, and that’s why jager wants you to do it

[shadow loom]

hes just crazy?

[loud oriole]

To put a roadblock in her plans

[loud oriole]

Well that too

[shadow loom]

I'm guessing hes the john gacy of tarkov.

thats why he does surgery on people and its mentioned it goes wrong often

god damn it now i have to be nice to jaeger

[shadow loom]

by the way thanks for explaining what you have, it makes a lot more sense now, really appreciate it

[jade stag]

Shucks

[loud oriole]

He is indeed responsible for a lot of bad stuff in tarkov. It’s not entirely confirmed but it’s atleast hinted he is the main guy behind TGs chemical weapons research, he is directly responsible for obdolos 1 and 2 stims (and the 99% damage amp event for long ago) and likely many of the other TG stims (not saying that’s bad, simply just showing how big of a role he played to them, and why therapist is so hot for him)

[shadow loom]

cause hes a clandestine scientist and he can get away with it while she looks good and he experiments on people

if a scav goes missing, no one notices, huh?

does anyone know how many pmcs are actually left?

[loud oriole]

That’s roughly the idea yeah. And no it’s just “those left behind”

[shadow loom]

and what is the dying thing about, like ok i die in raid, so i revive somehow?

[loud oriole]

Simply just a gameplay feature there isn’t an immortality system or anything, same reason you can kill the same boss 100 times

[shadow loom]

because the thing that makes no sense is they treat me as the same pmc so i am, they get MY gear, that I paid for, so...why do i not die?

[loud oriole]

It’s just a gameplay thing

[shadow loom]

oh

i thought maybe it had a reason

[loud oriole]

Nah just a gameplay thing, just like border snipers. They just are there to make the game actually work.

[shadow loom]

so canonically you just never die because you complete your mission in the end - to escape - eventually

i thought border snipers were a reason you can't leave tarkov

[loud oriole]

Well. Sure. If your goal is to escape. But currently that isn’t really your goal (if your going down LKs task line, he essentially tells you there is no escaping and wants you to help him instead)

[shadow loom]

yeah no i know that, but.... you know what i mean

[loud oriole]

When terminal comes there may be an actual story line to escaping but it seems the intended story is you do not escape

[shadow loom]

i honestly feel like im just a goon, you know?

they're there for the same reason

its a bit lackluster in some parts

[loud oriole]

In my own “head cannon” I am a boss just like them. The light keepers trigger man, the reaper of tarkov himself. The keeper of the blue flame if you will

[shadow loom]

I'm not entirely sure on my LK lore because some of it is quite new for me, so...

[loud oriole]

It’s pretty loose TBF

[shadow loom]

Uh yeah he seems that way in the game too, very......much so.....

[loud oriole]

The first time you meet him

[shadow loom]

Mysterious, without the mystery.

[loud oriole]

He dosent say 1 thing that makes sense

It’s priceless

[shadow loom]

Yup

He often just says a lot that means nothing

He's like the eminem of tarkov

[shadow loom]

you know what does make sense, if you notice therapist gives really good prices for stuff right?

cause what you said, shes like a druglord she has a lot of money

skier is like the opposite, he gives you bad prices cause hes a cocky gangster

[loud oriole]

Yeah she claims she uses it all to help the citizens of tarkov, she actually pays the most because she’s exporting it out of the area for more profit

Capitalism goes crazy

[shadow loom]

damn man you know a lot about the game

how so?

[loud oriole]

I got auto modded lmao. I’ve played the game since early alpha in 2016, the raid series is one of my favourite pieces of video game inspired content ever made, and I try to keep up with all the other stuff in the tarkov universe (I haven’t personally read the books but I want to get them this year) but honestly a lot of the draw to tarkovs lore for me personally is literally just trying to find out, what happened, who is actually responsible, and who is Actually the good guys here

[shadow loom]

i also played when flashbangs crashed your game 😉

[shadow loom]

but i never got into lore, not really i just liked the game

[loud oriole]

But I’ve been waiting for those answered for almost 10 years now, I personally belive a lot of these questions won’t actually get answered and we will be left to decide our own answers. The game comes out early 2025 according to BSG, a lot of lose ends for them to tie up lore wise by then

[shadow loom]

Soooooo prapor is kinda neutral i assume?

Cause i think he used to be a store owner anyway right?

[loud oriole]

Yeah he seems to be the most neutral. He’s still there to better himself, but he’s not doing bad things to reach his goals usually

Actually I’d say maybe mechanic is the most neutral I take that back

Homie just seems to be there Cuse he dosent wana leave and his services are still useful there

He’s also, atleast on friendly terms with jager (the broadcast taskline hints at this) as they both want to put an end to that stuff

[shadow loom]

yeah he seems more like....stalker/metro style neutral tho

[shadow loom]

what is the connection from ragman and therapist tho?

[shadow loom]

i feel hes more interested like prapor on what is going on...which is sometimes hinted, but in the end like everyone he has to make his money too - mechanic for me is a guy who is kinda stuck in a hard place....

[loud oriole]

Rag man is just there to make money moving goods in and out of tarkov, aswell as being the mediator for the flea and making money there

[shadow loom]

what does that have to do with therapist

extortion?

[loud oriole]

Things like moving designer cloths and such out of tarkov to sell, and moving military gear in

[loud oriole]

That I’m not exactly sure. I don’t know if they have much to do with eachother at all really. Like all the traders are aware of one another, but they aren’t all like, closely linked

Ragman is the one I’m the least familiar with I find him and his tasks boring as fuck

[shadow loom]

he says he knows therapist in a few quests e,g the letter you give to her, he says he can't give it to her personally for example

Because he doesn't have enough friendship with her, thats why you need lvl 3 therapist, i assume hes extorting her and you give the letter and she takes it more seriously than from him - her being what you said she is, also you said hes exporting some stuff, so is she, so...that makes sense?

[loud oriole]

Oh yep, i remeber the task line you’re talking about. I’m fairly sure that whole story line is contained within those quests. It is essentially extortion and your playing the role of the middle man

[shadow loom]

so basically ragman wants a piece of therapist right ?

but therapist doesn't take him seriously?

[loud oriole]

I don’t think it goes too much farther than that, other than showing you that’s the kinda shit ragman does,

[shadow loom]

Also, in terms of scavs and stuff, who has the most control over who?

[loud oriole]

Yeah that’s kinda it

[shadow loom]

cause lets say theres in game bosses too right?

they control scavs too... so its a bit convoluted in my mind cause everyone has control over scavs?

there seems to be no hierarchy

[loud oriole]

In game for all intents and purposes the scavs are “fences” but like I said earlier, the “lore” is more or less that there’s different gangs out there and the traders have relations with those gangs.

[shadow loom]

so scavs don't all belong to the same group, ok got it

like factions.

it just seems like they're all the same in the game

[loud oriole]

The mark of the unheard radio for example is an item that lets fence and the other scavs “see you”

[shadow loom]

same with the pmc count thing earlier

[loud oriole]

Like in game they do. But for story purposes they can be different groups yeah

[shadow loom]

yeah its just confusing since they literally always work together

[shadow loom]

so...is fence the controller of scavs since he can do that?

like influence, who has the most?

[loud oriole]

Yeah, if your looking for “the guy in charge” it’s fence

[shadow loom]

so if fence was like fuck therapist she would be screwed

or no?

So what im getting is this

correct me if im wrong

Boss - fence - underbosses traders - thugs (lack of better word) in game bosses - fodder scavs?

so its just a pyramid scheme basically

[loud oriole]

That’s how I see it yeah? But it’s also not something absolutely confirmed anywhere. There’s also the issue of there being a chance they (BSG) don’t even know. Because in game it is fence for sure controlling the scavs, but chronicles of rhysy dosent show that whatsoever, it shows scavs that are more aligned with the bosses than anything else

[shadow loom]

but what if those are ''loyal'' scavs you're talking about or scavs that are afraid and stick to tougher people than them

remember not every scav knows fence in theory

in that situation you'd show loyalty to who helps you

you can't help someone you dont know

[loud oriole]

Correct, but in game, for gameplay reasons they do. A lot of tarkov lore is grey and left up to interpretation and this is one of those

[shadow loom]

yeah in game, but im talking lore wise, how would every scav know fence himself, they'd know of...

thats why in that story you say they're loyal to the bosses

or fence just trusts every scav in existance riiiight?

also whats interesting is that mechanic where when you get fence rep some bosses dont attack

[loud oriole]

Yeah it’s kinda confusing. The more and more you dig down. It gets even worse when you start digging into the cultists and shit

Is it magic? Is it chemical BS? We will never known

[shadow loom]

they use chems as far as i heard

its why thermals dont pick them up, no?

[pliant rain]

The player scav dropping me a gpu means this is false

[gilded solar]

Does Ref even matter in the lore? like at all?

[open cairn]

He's the outcome of Punisher Part 6

[lucid plover]

so he's basically the guy paying prapor to get our pmcs to do the punisher questline?

[open cairn]

Yep, and then Prapor chickened out so he basically became his own thing

[lucid plover]

imho pvp&pve should therefore get ref after completing punisher 6

[gloomy gyro]

Escape From Tarkov takes place in a time loop.

[west steeple]

🤯

[loud oriole]

It’s not a lore thing that PvE dosent have ref RN.

[lucid plover]

am aware 🙂

[shadow loom]

i thought it was skier that sends you to customs for punisher pt 2? with the aku cause thats where he lives and you unlock ref through skier

[jade stag]

Punisher is prapor

[shadow loom]

yes but he says ''someone wants you to kill scavs in customs with an aku''

[blissful plover]

So I know that the cultist are possibly comprised of ex usec and scavs. But what if from game play that the cultists are just the pmc's that stopped playing eft?

[shadow loom]

well cultists have a belief system - being a cult - thats what separates them i assume

for example ritualistic behavior and also the stabbing thing they do, its not logical, it feels like theres a purpose maybe to prove themselves or....simply the poison effect, no idea, but, I would imagine they're an unhinged cult that believes in something crazy, because in normal places, not war zones people believe crazy stuff, in reality, it may be drug psychosis since they use SJ, i assume thats why they dont come up on thermals

[blissful plover]

True

[obtuse junco]

yes the cult is known as the cult of the blue flame (the blue flame was an experimental emp that went off during the fall of tarkov) there is also a trilogy of books that go along with tarkovs story . it follows a charcater named the predator a former terrgroup employee . this also compliments the two shows for tarkov , the crhonicles of ryshzy and the raid series

[obtuse junco]

back when they did the blood hunter event this was the case yet it was never further explained, however light keeper mentions you are now apart of tarkov this i believe elludes to the new order in tarkov aka the new world order

[open cairn]

Ah, yeah I clarified it in dms (I got muted for copy-pasting a forbidden word from their wiki), that Punisher Part 6 leads to Arena, and Ref is a pawn of the 'Masters' Praopor mentioned

[obtuse junco]

Why did you get muted like that sounds kinda counter intuitive to the point of the chat

[open cairn]

Copy pasted a forbidden word

[obtuse junco]

I’m lost as hell can you dm me

[open cairn]

Or maybe it's considered 'spam' because it's 4 of the Prapor quote

[obtuse junco]

Hmm that is possible

Did you have quotes around the prapor quote or like even parentheses

[open cairn]

Paragraphs

But it can also be Discord because Tarkov text can be colorful

[obtuse junco]

Ahh yea that’s weird I don’t understand why they did that then

Yes I’d like that

[open cairn]

Yeah lol, but it's alright

I didn't get a warning for it at least

[obtuse junco]

That’s good

[wild junco]

So what’s the reason with all the dead pigs all over the game

Pig heads,full chopped up bodies

Some placed on the corpses of the pmcs

Or on a guy pinned to the wall

[open cairn]

Personal theory, it's a part of ritualistic sacrifices by the cultists to unknown entities that lurk around Tarkov in terms of appeasement. Pigs are easier animals to come by because they eat corpses, and they'd hang around a region full of them.

[low mica]

I am in love with the EFT lore sadly there is not much out there, I’m trying to milk it using ChatGPT so far he told me USEC & BEAR had an encounter in Iran
Anyone have any details to expand on it?

[low mica]

Isn’t it a cultist thing?

[meager rose]

There are no details. Military base somewhere in Iran was just a location in Hired Ops game that is somewhat prequel for Tarkov. So technically BEAR and USEC were fighting in Iran but it is just a game map without specific lore.

[low mica]

I am currently working on a website that will include all Tarkov lore and updates when more stuff comes out, I am aware of hired ops and contract wars started playing Tarkov since pre alpha, absolutely in love with the lore
Trying to get as much information as I can, still a WIP but working on it

[odd lagoon]

From what i also know, topic apart, is that there was going to be a "sequel" to Tarkov (lore wise) named Russia 2028, basically the story of a man in a post apocalyptic russia looking for his brother after a WW3 esque conflict. Apparently the whole conflict started with Terragroup because they were building nukes or something

I'm not sure if Russia 2028 is still a thing, it probably got shelved

But if it is, then it means that Tarkov is probably going to get nuked lore wise

[loud oriole]

Shelved/canceled yeah

maybe they kick it back up after 1.0, doubt it tho

[odd lagoon]

But it simply means that Tarkov is the beggining of WW3, remember that Terragroup has american and british interests

And BEAR has russian interests

It makes sense because Terragroup is building something nasty in the labs

[loud oriole]

given that it was never cannonized, not really. its speculation

[open cairn]

Illegal human experimentations tbf

[open cairn]

And given the dialogue in Samples (Peacekeeper), whatever Sanitar did, those human experiments, were prototypes of the drugs in that questline.

And based on the descriptions, it seems that the outcome of these drugs have been commercialized as it's been approved for use by special forces.

That would mean USEC should have more access to these drugs lol

[open cairn]

Which can explain the creation of BEAR too. Besides TerraGroup conducting inhumane research, I can speculate a primary reason why they even accosted them is because they weren't getting the drugs themselves.

Tarkov became Tarkov because RUAF wasn't getting their SJ6s and MULEs /s

[odd lagoon]

Still, they were making super soldiers

The cultists and a few bosses are example of it

[shadow loom]

so cultists worship the emp? like the children of the atom with radiation in fallout or...they made the emp go off?

[odd lagoon]

For instance, Tagilla was mentioned to be a "crackhead" so maybe he got samples of a few injectors and went berserk

The cultists are either ex terragroup or just test subjects

Given their low temperature, unnatural movement and what not

[shadow loom]

I had this question, if tarkov is so out of control, why not...eradicate it

[open cairn]

BEAR needs hard evidence of illicit Terragroup activities in Tarkov

[shadow loom]

and USEC?

[open cairn]

Protect Terragroup assets while destroying said evidence

[shadow loom]

so bears are the good guys

[open cairn]

Assets like equipment, evidence like recordings

[open cairn]

Yeah

[shadow loom]

I've never read any of these books and a lot of lore did not exist a while ago so forgive me for sounding dumb

[open cairn]

It's fine, always happy to answer questions

Though my knowledge is vastly limited because I don't have access to the books either

[shadow loom]

i barely know about contract wars only cause its mentioned really early on....ummm it used to be in the game ages ago, there were hints n stufff

[open cairn]

Tbf, BEARs being good guys is becoming a slippery slope given shady deals made in recent lore; Prapor lowkey starting Arena as an example

[shadow loom]

so prapor is up there with the best?

i thought so

[open cairn]

Not exactly like that

The Punisher series leads to the creation of Arena, but Prapor wanted out after Punisher 6

[shadow loom]

yeah i know that cause you gotta do the quests to get ref

[open cairn]

He was alright with killing Scavs but became iffy in gruesome manners you had to do it, then opted out after having to kill his errand boys

[shadow loom]

and then skier introduces you to him in another quest

[open cairn]

This is the weird part

[shadow loom]

so is skier friends with ref?

[open cairn]

Ref is a spokesperson to the heads of Arena (that made deals with Prapor through Punisher), but his questline does not come after Punisher

It comes early after Skier's first quest

[shadow loom]

oh i thought it was after

I'm not really sure what order quests technically occur as you dont do them in order always

[open cairn]

Your levels are a good determination in which order you're supposed to do them. So far my only issue is with Punisher and Ref quests, so I have to re-read and really make sure Punisher does lead to Arena

Punisher Part 5 alludes to it being Arena because Prapor says the 'Masters' are developing gladiator-like combat, but with guns

[shadow loom]

but that assumes prapor knows more than you think as well

[open cairn]

Yeah, he is in direct contact with the people who wants you to do the Punisher quests

[shadow loom]

i thought one was from skier, the one on customs as he puts you onto ref

and he lives in customs

so what tarkov is just a deathmatch in the end really

[open cairn]

And also Punisher Part 6 is in a cliffhanger conclusion too; going off on how we'll be contacted directly by these 'Masters' as well

None of the succeeding questlines mention the 'Masters' for now

[shadow loom]

So the masters of tarkov are making a deathmatch/gladiator thing of tarkov?

[open cairn]

Yep

They turned it to a spectacle lol

Doesn't help the fact that Ref also calls us a Gladiator

[shadow loom]

in a way i wish i didn't ask

[open cairn]

They might want to readjust the questline that Ref is unlocked 24h after Punisher Part 6

[shadow loom]

thats really strange

[open cairn]

Stumped me and another user that I was discussing this with yesterday

[shadow loom]

also what doesn't make sense is that if the bears are the good guys why do they get the same quests

you'd assume they'd not do a lot of stuff

[open cairn]

The whole 'good guy' vibe disappeared after Contract Wars and that other game

We're just survivors, trying to Escape From Tarkov™

I'm sorry, it was the right time to say that here lmao, but jokes aside

[shadow loom]

I feel theres a lot of inconsistency here

Exploit Tarkov might be a better name

[open cairn]

Oh, trust me, it gets worse

[shadow loom]

then you have another thing

if the masters control tarkov why the fuck are they just letting you do what you want

like ok let me explain...

[open cairn]

The 'Masters' don't control Tarko-- sure

(I was gonna say they control the Arenas around Tarkov)

Go for it

[shadow loom]

Ok, i get they dont control it

but they have heavy influnce since they're secret people

and they control people like prapor and hes powerful by himself

So some dude is just goin around like the grim reaper of tarkov doing what the hell he wants and they're ok with that?

[open cairn]

It gets them views, makes them money

[shadow loom]

you work for people that would be working against them though?

So Tarkov is just Scum in Russia

[open cairn]

It's what Mechanic alludes to, as does Prapor when they said that people are mentally regressing back to the middle ages

[open cairn]

As for this one, going off a particular trailer, it heavily implies from Prapor that you're coming back from Arena

It's the 'On the Edge of Darkness' trailer

[shadow loom]

then why doesn't anyone know you at the start

that makes no sense

but then that makes sense cause i always wondered

how tf do i know all the traders that have great stuff right at the start, that....never made sense

cause they call you new guy a lot at the start and stuff like that, and you see they generally dont care about you

as you progress they begin to care I guess. this is also seen commonly in daily tasks and weeklies, they talk to you like they're your friend

[open cairn]

Yep. So for that, I'd chalk it up as 'they forgot about you' type of deal. The trailer makes it sound like you have to re-do a lot of that stuff again.

But the thing about coming from Arena is that you'll be doing quests again that leads to the creation of Arena.

[shadow loom]

So how could you have come out of the arena, you would assumedly already be pretty known and know about the arena itself and never have to meet ref technically ?

[open cairn]

Yep, it's giving me a headache trying to process that lmao

[shadow loom]

Thats a total circle

you come from the arena to go to the arena again

[open cairn]

You come from the Arena, to not only go to the Arena, like you said, but also create Arena after doing quests for other people.

[shadow loom]

wait what the fuck?

so the arena stops existing when you press play then you make it real again

[open cairn]

Punisher is the creation of Arena

[shadow loom]

but you just said i came from the arena

im JUST SAYING

I'm as confused as you

[open cairn]

Yeah

Sorry XD

[shadow loom]

also the cult someone i dunno if it was you said

they are the cult of the emp

what does this imply, they worship the emp or set it off or....?

think its an event of importance in time....

like the big bang

what do they even worship I thought they were just insane people, like catholic people but LESS murder

[open cairn]

Sorta-- they worship the consequence of the EMP, so there is a possibility they'll trigger it themselves to fulfill their own prophecy

[shadow loom]

wait so then the cult existed before the emp?

[open cairn]

And they sacrifice people and guns in the process

[open cairn]

Okay wait, I'm getting my timelines mixed up

Sorry, I think it just hit me that Tarkov did get hit by a big EMP, that Mechanic has mentioned, as does Ragman

[shadow loom]

what is the purpose of sacrifice of weapons?

to what?

[open cairn]

They're nutjobs

Y'know how people drank coolaid thinking they're gonna ride a comet that's orbitting Earth?

[shadow loom]

I've heard crazier

yeah

but do you think this is a side effect of maybe something else?

Trauma, drugs, etc

[open cairn]

So they sacrifice weapons and people to appease an unknown deity; but as of now, we don't know what they're getting out of sacrificing

[shadow loom]

nothing why would they get shit out of sacrifices

they give you stuff and you go kill them

[open cairn]

It's what happens when you give religious fanatics guns, and then you sow a sort of mysticism getting more people to believe you

[shadow loom]

so they use sj cause they dont show up on thermals

this is what i mean

[open cairn]

And they also have access to a special kind of poison too, so they've got special kind of drugs going on

[shadow loom]

this is a good point

only they have that poison, correct?

[open cairn]

And yeah, it's a combo of both; take enough drugs as copium to trauma, and you start to hallucinate or do crazy things

[open cairn]

Yep

[shadow loom]

no one gets it in the story except them

So they're basically the guys from that farcry game with the

Is it 5? i dont know

[open cairn]

3 and 5 dabble on chemicals to make the player hallucinate

[shadow loom]

5 is about an actual cult though

the joseph dude

[open cairn]

Yeah, technically Faith but yeah

[shadow loom]

this happened in real life actually

[open cairn]

What's it called?

[shadow loom]

Ummm im not sure, but i can tell you the story

its not as dramatic

[open cairn]

Okay, shoot

[shadow loom]

Basically, there were guys in a church and they believed that they were free people or something, anyway turns out they killed some people or did something wrong, so the police try go in their church, bang, they're met with assualt rifles and it turns into a massive standoff

cause they believed they were correct in what they were doing, they simply told the cops we're gonna die for this, it was a cult, I remember seeing about it, it happened in america a long time ago, then you have obviously stuff like charles manson i guess, although thats not really as extreme as opening fire on police with assault rifles collectively to die for god or some crazy reason

i could try google it?

[open cairn]

It's fine, I can look it up myself

[shadow loom]

it was a lot of people in the church too

[open cairn]

I also can't engage in the discussion for long, I'm in the middle of writing something myself, and it's about to be 2AM here lol

But I did enjoy the discussion 🙂

[shadow loom]

yeah

I enjoyed talking to you too

thanks for teaching me, I really appreciate it

[open cairn]

Likewise, I forgot about the EMP, heheh

Also the incident you mentioned? Was it Waco?

[shadow loom]

I'm not sure what it was specifically it was ages ago that i saw about it

i just looked it up, i think it is that

[open cairn]

Ooooh okay. Thanks! Have yourself a good one now

[shadow loom]

you too bro, take care! 😄

[odd lagoon]

Something tells me that the american and british governments have tabs on them, judging by Peacekeeper's dialogue

So they see something valuable in it

Like he said, Tarkov is valuable as a human testing ground and playground

Nuking it might be the russian government's intention

But not to other factions

[shadow loom]

yeah it mentions the british, except they're not even there no?

[odd lagoon]

USEC is composed of ex military operatives from american and british forces

I wouldn't put it past them to have "agents" monitoring the situation

[shadow loom]

oh i thought it was us since everyone has a us voice for some reason

[odd lagoon]

Besides, i'm sure that they have EX SAS guys lore wise

The cover of Tarkov Arena portrays an EX Usec with a USMC tattoo

So that too

[shadow loom]

Most likely the Americans are ground forces

[odd lagoon]

Not to mention the Black Division from the RAID series, you know, the Terragroup special forces at the end of the film

[shadow loom]

and the uk are behind the scenes

[shadow loom]

I do not, i've never heard of that

[odd lagoon]

Watch the Raid mini series, it's pretty good

And it shows a bit of light into Tarkov's lore

[shadow loom]

where?

[odd lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9OIT7W24V8&t=763s&ab_channel=Battlestate

[shadow loom]

thank you very much, man, im so grateful to you and the other guy cause some people are pretty

[odd lagoon]

Don't thank me, i love Tarkov's lore as well

It's fascinating

[shadow loom]

vague aggressive stupid or reject ideas entirely based on ..not much...

so i haven't actually learned solid lore in YEARS

[odd lagoon]

Especially because it's meant to be a more or less "grounded" Stalker without the mutant or supernatural elements

Even if Tarkov has spooky elements such as the cultists, which are either terragroup's test subjects or ex employees

I'm thinking the former because they are unnaturally fast, quiet, and have very low temperatures when you see them via thermal sights

[shadow loom]

cause they use Sj

like i said

it has same effect

[odd lagoon]

And the whole injector thing was meant to create super soldiers, so i'm guessing that the cultists are the closest thing to super soldiers, you know?

[shadow loom]

I love the idea of creating a super soldier - cause its not really possible ahahaha - in reality. its not how drugs work...haha

[odd lagoon]

Indeed but Tarkov's drugs are very different

Sanitar and Tagilla are kinda a reflection of that

[shadow loom]

let me give you an example though

[odd lagoon]

Tagilla was described as a "crackhead" and junkie way before the events of the game, and i'm guessing that he simply got on too many injectors

[shadow loom]

when you inject yourself from the AI kit its an ampule of approx 32mg of morphine

(that was the dosage in vietnam)

[shadow loom]

uuhh well drugs have cross tolerance but the issue is that they also don't...so they would have to go to the same place as the drugs he took before or he'd just.....die?

some of the injectors are sketchy as fuck

[odd lagoon]

That's true, but you also have to account that there's Sanitar

So maybe he had to do something with that

[shadow loom]

so drugs work on receptor binding, thats how tolerance works, you get less receptors each time you do it / become less sensitive, depends on MOA

[odd lagoon]

It is described that he does miraculous surgeries and recoveries to Scavs', and considering how the Chronicles of Rhizzy series show him that he's in league with the rest of the Scav bosses and is friends with them, i'm sure that he lends his services

[shadow loom]

soooooo i assume they haven't been alive long is what im saying

[odd lagoon]

True, then again lore wise it's never been stated how much time has passed, between the game's initial lore at release and current events

IE, i doubt it has been years since Tarkov started

At most a few months i'd say

So there's no comprehensive timeline so to speak

[shadow loom]

for example meth causes permanent psychosis thats incurable if enough is taken over time

they seem rather sane considering these drugss are way beyond that

[odd lagoon]

Well Sanitar's dialogue shows that he's fucking insane xD

So i wouldn't put it past that

The drugs in combat make him insane, but outside of it he seems fairly normal, even if he's technically a junkie

[shadow loom]

and many chemical components used in bootleg drugs give you sepsis, e.g leftover iodine will melt you

im assuming they're not making this shit themselves otherwise this would be a big problem

you know what krokadil is right? is a drug called Desomorphine, a totally normal drug for pain relief, i mentioned the iodine because thats what actually causes them to lose limbs, they dont filter it enough by themselves essentially, or you can look at colors of mdma brown may be left over safrole, which isn't dangerous but other colors cacn indicate other impurities

[odd lagoon]

Yeah i know what it is

[shadow loom]

so thats why i think not a lot of time has passed

[odd lagoon]

Still, something tells me the injectors are way beyond those drugs irl

I mean, Terragroup's pretty crazy

Not Umbrella levels of crazy, but in a more grounded way they are still dangerous

[shadow loom]

yeah but what im saying is you ever seen that mixed injector that basically kills you right?

thats a very good example of what would be more realistic, even for a group like terragroup

and all the injectors have side effects anyways right?

also where are they getting them? they'd need a steady supply, i assume they have withdrawal effects

thus i think very little time has passed

[odd lagoon]

Good point, but either there's a stash of them (as seen in labs), and also because Sanitar makes them

The chronicles of Rhizzy series shows that

If you haven't watched it, go do it, it's pretty good for lore

[shadow loom]

But making good drugs requires specialist items and conditions, thats the issue

[odd lagoon]

True, but Sanitar makes them with homemade stuff xD

[shadow loom]

so how is sanitar making the good ones

[odd lagoon]

Explains how shoddy they are at times

[shadow loom]

Thats where im going with this

[odd lagoon]

Especially the one that can kill you instantly

But you are right

Sanitar Does Not make all of them

The shoddy ones? yes

But the more professional ones like SJ6? Those are pre made and very rare lore wise

[shadow loom]

If they're bootleg versions of drugs that they should be, that means that all kinds of things would happen over time, right? so...its almost like you've just arrived in a way

[odd lagoon]

Well Nikita stated that he intends to add diseases and addictions eventually

So you are right

Using injectors in the future will be very costly most likely

[shadow loom]

good i hope people stop stimming

Imagine injecting yourself with tons of morphine to heal (not that that would work) and then you're like

you know what i need?

A STIMULANT

and then sprint with 100kg on you without having a heart attack

Hmm but its interesting, it means that a lot of people there are actually possibly dying as in dead men walking no matter what they do

[odd lagoon]

Yeah

Not to mention that Stim withdrawal and addiction and vice versa would be devastating

I can see that, if there's a "berserker" stimulant someday, the benefits in a fight would be noticeable, but the after effects would be like a mountain crushing you

Less speed, less stamina, less carrying capacity

[shadow loom]

well think of the effects of simpler drug withdrawal, a good example is barbiturates and benzodiazepines, you stop them and you literally die in some cases, opium is extremely uncomfortable but generally isn't lethal, but my point is you said these drugs are beyond that, so imagine the psychosis from meth like i said its permanent as in uncurable, even schizophrenia can be controlled in a fair few cases, this has no cure, so i wonder what they're actually experiencing

and are their motives just drug fueled?

[odd lagoon]

Maybe the religious deliriums of the cultists are because of that, if they are test subjects from Terragroup

Then again their symbol is reminiscent of Terragroup's symbol, so it wouldn't be far fetched that the cultists are experiencing those problems

[shadow loom]

yeah but what about tagilla

[odd lagoon]

Good point

[shadow loom]

makes me wonder who he works for to get the drugs

can't be sanitar

[odd lagoon]

Well the bosses in Tarkov have very sketchy connections

Glukhar is one such example

[shadow loom]

how so?

i know 0 about him

hes the guy on reserve right?

[odd lagoon]

In the chronicles of rhizzy series, he has connections (partially) to terragroup and people beyond

[odd lagoon]

Yes

The scav bosses live like kings in comparison to everyone else

He even has a BTR (You know, a russian APC)

I don't even know where he gets the fuel for that thing

And it can't be from Tarkov since it's long gone

The traders are also sketchy since they have connections beyond Tarkov, such as Fence

[shadow loom]

ok is there a reason?

As in scav bosses ain't shit to me

[odd lagoon]

I mean lore wise

[shadow loom]

I mean scav bosses are mostly out for themselves

[odd lagoon]

I don't know yet but they have connections to traders

[shadow loom]

I can delete tarkov

[odd lagoon]

Not all of them

But a few ones like Skier and Fence

Especially Fence since he's very "respected"

[shadow loom]

ok but then rework yourself back to what the other guy said

i'm a champion, gladiator , and im glad he said it cause i went on my pve account and read some quests i had that were somewhat in that area

and he is right

so you come out of arena to create it again

[odd lagoon]

Fair enough

[shadow loom]

no fence is respected like in a gang dynamic

a fence is someone who buys stuff and sells it, black market if you will, he will buy anything, stolen or whatever, realistically

fence just can get stuff in and out i assume.

in my opinion fence would be a weird choice, hes kinda like a middleman for me

[obtuse junco]

I don’t think it was ever clear who set off the emp but I believe it was either created by terra group or the Russian military possibly . Regardless the emp was deployed . I personally believe the emp was set off by the Russian military to attempt to root out the usec and terragroup forces at the end of the contract wars leading into the start of tarkov . In the books it’s eluded to that usec is able to sometimes use these tunnels and bunkers found around tarkov . Many of these bunkers had been renovated from the Cold War days . These bunkers originally came from the Russian government but some also do appear to be new as in terragroup basically made vaults like in fallout all over tarkov for some reason . I do believe that this was the same point they had the vaults or to out live the enemy in such a hostile environment

[obtuse junco]

I believe the cultists are consistently of remnants from all the factions but most notably Russian special forces as the light keeper was an admiral in the Russian navy and I can only assume his lap dog is an ex special forces sniper . Light keeper does seem to be charismatic as he does in fact get you to come to him with out even requesting you. Some could call this manipulation others could call it motivation. In the face of adversity people will choose to survive .it would not be unlikely for this man to quickly garner forces to do his bidding especially under the guise of a religious group.

[meager rose]

Lightkeeper is as mysterious as it gets. Not sure about being an ex-admiral, I mean even his name was never mentioned officially and we know it only because of datamine iirc.

[obtuse junco]

Given his location and access to military tech on top of his knowledge and power I’d say that’s the best bet beyond the data mined info

If I recall correctly in some of his dialogue he does mention it doesn’t matter who he is or was and the same is said about the player character as they are now both part of tarkov and what’s to come whatever that maybe

[odd lagoon]

Probably referring to the fact that we can't really escape from tarkov and it makes sense

Even if you survive to all the crap in tarkov, terragroup or some other beyond tarkov faction will kill you or silence you

Besides the novels state that Terragroup had organized or at least knew of the chaos that was to come for weeks before all of it happened

The police force and the russian military also knew in advance

So the Tarkov situation is no civil war, it's a man made controlled disaster

[obtuse junco]

precisely , anyway its clear that some groups as you said did in fact have pre determined knowledge . as it currently stands there is no real way to escape tarkov but as many know its supposed to come when the game releases in the form of the port possibly . i think regardless of if your pmc dies or leaves tarkov it is too late as you the player has already under taken the journey that has changed him , its not unlikely the pmc devolops ptsd and ever further than that i think tarkov is not the end. as bsg finished tarkov they will move to the next game russia 2020 or whatever. i dont think the factions withing tarkov trying to clean up tarkov have successfully done so. i think the exclusion zone tarkov has become will cause a flip within the game world. what i mean by this is tarkovs zone will essentially grow causing other areas around it to also fall victim to circumstance aka the collapse of society

[obtuse junco]

even perhaps us escaping from tarkov will be the catalyst that send the chain of events in motion to my therory. i believe this due to light keeper dialogue and the punisher quest line as it was with our help that the arena came into existence, it is purely cause and effect

[odd lagoon]

Either that or Terragroup's interests and the Kremlin's will cause a WW3

Like what happened for the basic lore of Russia 2028

Which was meant to be Tarkov's sequel

But that game seems to be cancelled so take it with a grain of salt

[obtuse junco]

yea i dont expect bsg to even finish tarkov

the game is slated for release this year

[odd lagoon]

I mean reasons aside, it's been tremendously profitable even during it's alpha and beta

[obtuse junco]

ive been playing since before interchange was added

its not ready at all

profits aside they have no long term structure

[odd lagoon]

Maybe it will just release as Early Access like so many games, no? But i digress, it's outside the topic of this channel lol

[obtuse junco]

lmao yea

[meager rose]

I always interpreted phrase "You can't escape from Tarkov" in a way that by the time you will be able to escape Norvinsk region - whole world will become a Tarkov - lawless hellscape of neo-middle ages after short WW3.

[odd lagoon]

Well that was the plan in Russia 2028

In that game, Tarkov was simply the beggining of the end

Now, what kind of secret so big that would make Terragroup culprit in a WW3 scenario? I don't know

But there's a theory video suggesting that they are making salted nukes

And a company having nukes is just a straight up bad idea

[analog sleet]

Corpo moment

[meager rose]

I remember that Nikita said in one of the early interviews that it will not be nukes but something even worse. Idk if that was changed in last 7-8 years.

[odd lagoon]

My guess is that they are doing a lot of human testing with something even resembling Stalker or something like Umbrella corp

But who knows

Then again the cultists are borderline supernatural so i'm fairly sure that Tarkov in it's universe is not exactly normal or even realistic

[meager rose]

There are cancelled Tarkov books that were re-purposed as standalone setting and original storyline published in Russia. There is some explanations of sci-fi stuff - one of the facilities at Factory exploded and whole Tarkov was covered with military stimulant of unknown but possibly viral nature. It gave increased metabolism, lowered pain threshold and boosted regeneration among other things. At the same time it made people much more aggressive and impulsive. Some PMCs got antidotes and vaccines, but most scavs had none. But it is still non-canon and technically not even Tarkov anymore so it is not clear how many changes authors implemented before publishing.

[odd lagoon]

Aren't those the "Predator and Master of the Night" novels?

I thought they were canon

Never knew they had gotten cancelled

[meager rose]

I think those 2 books are still canon. I mean even 1st book "Predator" appears from time to time on livestreams. What I was referring to is a series of books (10 in total) called Zone 31. It consists from cancelled Tarkov books and continuations of several first titles.

[odd lagoon]

Ah i see, thanks. Yeah the first two books seem to be more grounded, not to mention that they show a more devious side to everyone in Tarkov

Such as BEAR executing people, terragroup employees but still

[meager rose]

I wonder if we will get more official books near or after release.

[odd lagoon]

Hopefully, those books were fairly interesting. I'd like a Tarkov novel that can showcase the perspective of a new USEC or new BEAR operative being dropped

Because USEC's are hardly participant in the lore videos and what not

Even if they are a large part of the fanbase

[meager rose]

Yes, one of the cancelled books supposed to be about USEC operative. And another one about Terragroup employee. But alas.

[woven folio]

ftxgdcrvb

[open cairn]

Is that another ARG code for lore?

[hardy birch]

??events

[barren agate]

Its awfully quiet...almost too quiet....

[shadow loom]

i read it all dont worry, all the stuff you've been saying and @odd lagoon, you guys should keep going, its pretty interesting, at least i kinda get it now and don't feel like im wandering around half the time

[odd lagoon]

Keep in mind all of that could change as so far there hasn't been much lore with the cultists, recently

Lightkeeper is a thing yeah but the cultists are still a mystery

[shadow loom]

what would happen if someone wanted to....erase the cult

how would they do it?

is it even possible? I imagine they're not exactly...infinite...?

also, if you can in the end escape from tarkov, who do you think is the most likely person to do it for you?

[shadow loom]

see this is the part i disagree with, i dont think that will happen, first they'd want to hire you, for obvious reasons, again they're still finite, they have to replace people, i think thats part of the entire arena thing

MAYBE the arena is the way out...?

[odd lagoon]

That might be true but i guess it would depend on the faction, maybe USECs would get a 2nd chance given how they were the de-facto PMC for terragroup

[shadow loom]

like a proving ground, a coliseum, you're a gladiator, remember?

[odd lagoon]

But BEARS would most likely be silenced or something

[shadow loom]

Mmmmm yeah but think about the skills some people would have like max str and what it does and other skills in game, translate that resistance and drive into real life skills, why would you kill these people if you can hire them, hear me out on this one.....

[shadow loom]

Why are we in tarkov? Money. you understand they have the most money probably - the groups you're talking about, also, you start killing everyone....they might start a ''civil war'' - targeted at you, like you said lightkeeper might be able to muster up some force

what if its a selection process, tarkov and the arena, as was said, you come from the arena to make another arena technically, but why? and that would also place ref deeply into the lore because - he would decide who moves on to the ''next stage'' for example

I'm starting to think deep down everyone's working for terragroup in some way or another, on one level or another they let these people exist, this could all be dismantled in my opinion very quickly by their outside forces, no?

[shadow loom]

i kinda interpret that as ''you can escape from tarkov but your mind can't'' you know, you can take the man out of (whatever) but you can't take the (whatever) out the man saying?

[open cairn]

That's a good way of putting it

[meager rose]

Yeah, I see what you mean and it is way more poetic, so I guess we will find out only after story missions. Nikita mentioned that there are several ways to escape and Lightkeeper with his quests is a way to escape when other ways are unavailable for you or something. Maybe it will be some sort of "bad ending" - to escape you'll have to help a cult that sacrifices people and does other insane stuff. With this approach you kinda crossed the line and even if you escape - you are a monster, basically and the only place fit for you is Tarkov.

[shadow loom]

i think you sum that up very well man, its obvious that the mental effects of tarkov, I mean look at the state of your hideout until you build it, even then, not great, then you have to go out there scavenge for things like ramen blocks to eat......its a very low morale environment, you know? so the line is easily crossed, sort of iin the way Spec Ops : The Line touched upon PTSD

[ivory gate]

Hss

Hs

Gsha

[spring coral]

true

[open cairn]

Interesting

[jade stag]

Yep

[dark valley]

there is absolutely no reason for a scav to give your pmc any gear.

i understand scaving when youre new...? i guess?

but having scav rep, free loot transfers to pmc. and being able to load in almost to a full raid is nuts.

[strong mirage]

Arena breakout?

[jade stag]

Ight buddy, you're getting sent to rehab

[jade stag]

There's absolutely no reason why your pmc can talk to multiple gang lords through the norvinsk region at level one, yet he can. You can imagine the scav as an old friend of the PMC, or as a "good" Samaritan, or just your PMC's soul transferring to another body

[strong mirage]

[open cairn]

This is why my assumption is they get to stay in your Hideout if they've done a good job. Taking care of the random Scav gives you good points to Fence

[shadow loom]

hes a scav you're a pmc, thats a good enough reason would you say no to your pmc?

[lean hill]

i think i got banned but i dont know why or if i am for sure even banned i need hel

[blissful atlas]

Servers are down you dingus

[lean hill]

for how long ?

[pastel lotus]

There's actually numerous ways to explain this, and make it make sense. You're a lonely dude, in an active warzone....

You definitely are going to want to make friends. Scavs are people too, they probably definitely want a well equipped, well trained, friend. So your scav brings your pmc gear, your pmc gives him a spot to kick it and not die.

Scav dies, then your pmc has to make a new friend.

Completely transactional relationship however it would be purely beneficial for both sides.

[dim trellis]

When you have the labs background screen on and the camera turns to the left, you can see that the side of it say "BigBrother", which is likely the camera company. This is also a reference to the "Big Brother is watching you" to George Orwells" 1984

This also makes sense because of how shady terragroup is in the lore of tarkov, being that it is the labs background, it means terragroup is watching.

[halcyon scroll]

my theory is that your pmc PAYS your scav to go out and get loot for you

i mean its the same thing with the scav case

[grim hedge]

Does anyone have the Missam forklift key on a scav???

[tender mirage]

123456

[jade stag]

Well said

[shadow loom]

exactly this, think about the power some people have they're...not just gonna kill you, they're gonna toy with their food out of boredom and power fantasies, that includes just normal people, theres obviously going to a mass influx of serial killers / people turned to cold blooded killers, i mean, look at bosses, they have guards and they're not really a joke, in some cases they're stronger than the boss, and that right there is a key point in any dynamic like this, you make friends to protect you, this goes for even higher up people, one can only imagine the kinds of things they will do to you in tarkov....especially since theres only men....

Essentially tarkov runs on prison dynamics in a way i guess

And even then, you're not invincible.

[past sonnet]

So like in the lore when’s hideout cat…

[long vessel]

@hexed ferry English only

[rocky rune]

Eft arena

[open cairn]

Can we get a mod lmao

Thank you

[dark valley]

right that would be great if it costs you something

[charred trail]

im pretty sure King Von caused a gang war between BEAR and USEC by killing multiple USEC operators

[odd wigeon]

tarkov is 63rd?

[misty eagle]

I assume you’re referring about the traders?

[jade stag]

yes

[misty eagle]

Well our PMCS probably would’ve made some sort of connection with each of them throughout the contract wars as associates or customers

[halcyon scroll]

Theory:the whole tarkov "wipe thing" is caused by a secret implant that was implanted by therapist that puts you to sleep, and then prapor and mechanic take everything from your stash, and sell it to fence. This would explain why everything you start with is so shit. It also wipes your memory from the past wipe so your pmc doesnt remember all the quests. Who agrees with me?

[robust void]

I feel the wipe mechanic is your a fresh on the ground conscript.
I feel the bears would have their spec ops that would still send people in to deal with USEC n USEC side is their spec ops trying to do what umbrellas strike team does in operation racoon city: destroy all info leading back to tera group. The mission for both sides went Fubar n your the only one left n it's now just mission objective:survive lol

[shadow loom]

right cause we're not sleeper agents but pmc operators, so...yeah, exactly and they talk to you as if you're new and if you then go with the arena theory, maybe we are different pmcs coming from the same place to make their own version of the arena or to leave, whatever the objective really is...its a bit mixed, like i said, you come from the arena to make the arena again for people for some reason

its just a new character, i would assume, especially since you can change how they look, they're just doing the same thing from a different angle, maybe the last pmcs failed that we were, who knows? I'm not entirely sure thats important, but there will be multiple endings i also know that, so....theres also that

[meager rose]

@rain spade

[rain spade]

Thanks

[somber tiger]

sorry for the late reply but is this a tabor reference

[jade stag]

Get outa here bro

Unrelated but what's your kit for your airsoft games

[somber tiger]

I have a cry precision combat shirt and some multicam pants i both found at a surplus store.
Warrior assault systems recon mk1 plate carrier.
Bolle x800 goggles (iirc)
Warrior assault systems low profile battle belt
A shitty replica helmet i found at a surplus store that doesn’t match the rest of the fit
Lowa boots (idk which ones exactly got them as a birthday present)

For the guns
Currently my main is a tokyo marui mp5a5 ngrs which i currently run without any attachments except for a acetech tracer unit
My sidearm is a p320 gbb
I also have an mcx virtus with a vortex optics reddot a flashlight and usually the tracer unit on it.

[fluid dust]

Yo so I’m like lvl 54 n got a buncha hours but I realize I don’t actually know any lore lmfao anyone wanna gimme a quick lil nerd out on wtf is going on in tarkov?

[meager rose]

This video is old but sufficient and covers about 90% of significant lore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E58A2olVpwg

[fluid dust]

thank you sir good day to you

[meager rose]

NP! Basically anything that could be written here would be a summary transcript of this or similar videos

[halcyon scroll]

Theory about the rouges: they have a very expensive cybernetic implants in their arms and eyes that give them wall hacks, this explains how they can beam you from across the map. My idea on how they got the implants is that they got mechanic and therapist to team up and make them.

[somber tiger]

nah they just actually zero their optics

[open cairn]

Nah dude, they're chad PMCs that players lose control after a wipe. The kind that have 3/3 mastery M4s, and have elite level recoil control

[robust void]

Tldr version
Tera group is basically umbrella from resident evil
USEC is the private military that they hired
Bears are Russian veterans ex cops and stuff like that.
The bears are trying to stop tera group n USEC is strike teaming they got everyone out from tera group that they could n are now cleaning up any loose ends and destroying any evidence that leads back to tera group.

[rigid agate]

This might've been clarified already. I was pressing F1 to hear Usec's voicelines and one of them say with an annoyed tone "Fucking Terragroup..."

Are Usecs just tired of Terragroup's shit? Or they just hate the fact that they got them stuck inside the tarkov conflict???

[robust void]

Prob both. One we are stuck in the conflict makes sense there n the other side of it as a pmc you can not like the person that hired you but it's how your making your living

[rigid agate]

It surprises me that after the conflict exploded, Usecs are still covering for terragroup

Bears are just doing whatever they can and kill Usecs

[robust void]

It's probably because our contract isn't over. USEC needed to get top tera group out n then deal with any loose ends.
Did you ever play resident evil operation racoon city?

[rigid agate]

Nope, didn't play it but I get how it works now

[robust void]

I feel USEC is the strike team you play as in that game. We were sent into racoon city during the outbreak to help test the bio weapons and destroy any evidence leading the outbreak back to umbrella

[pliant musk]

After an EMP explosion of unknown origin both sides have pulled out and the player characters are all left behind

[wintry aurora]

Goonsmith Lore Drop 12: Unofficial Tarkov Lore
The Goonsmith has been keeping a low profile lately, but something feels different. The usual flow of weapons has slowed, and Maker & Breaker have been seen moving with purpose, often in quieter parts of Tarkov. Whispers suggest overseas contacts have brought in fresh resources and knowledge. It’s clear she’s working on something methodically, with careful intent.

[empty elbow]

??event

[barren agate]

Shadow of Tagilla boss event is currently active on PVP and PVE: #eft-announcements message

[scarlet spire]

Hi all I read that in the rules discord ()No advertisement. We do not allow Cheating websites, links to areas that violate our terms of service, self promotion such as (but not limited to) Twitch and Youtube channel links, and any other content that is restricted by our rules in any form.) So I dont want to discuss about cheat or anything that cant be talk here but anyone using some kind of help in the game to help player in game ( In pVE only ) so not affecting the game of other ?

[leaden echo]

Use the wiki for information, or ask for help from a sherpa #sherpa-info for guided help in game

[steep thorn]

Theory: all this versions of Killa and tagilla are TerraGroup experiments

[pastel yarrow]

based off rhyzhy series though, they appear to just be cracked out factory workers

[steep thorn]

Accurate especially in the cracked part

[fluid dust]

ah just saw this ty i watched all related stuff i think im caught up now

certified chad now its official chat

[narrow basalt]

Apparently despite usec being employed by terragroup, after the emp strike and tg practically sacrificing usecs for their own benefits the usecs turned on them? Can someone confirm this is true? Read this on a reddit post

[misty eagle]

Watch the TARKOV Raid movie

It shows the USEC PMCS gunning down Terra group labs employees

[nocturne coyote]

Gods work tbh

[misty eagle]

Real

[nocturne coyote]

Woulda been wearing armor is they didn’t want the one tap

[wispy goblet]

Whats the connection between the event and lightkeeper?

[opal mirage]

Any idea what group Den ended up in? I'm thinking it could be Raiders, Russian Rogues y'know

[rotund obsidian]

does someone know what the alarm in the labyrinth is, like in real life
im eager to find it

[jade stag]

Probably just LK putting his sweaty paws on everything in the area

Also since he kinda leads the whole norvinsk region

[loud oriole]

The nuke/emp in the labyrinth would be something he’s interested in/trying to get

[deft crown]

Any idea why Therapist is so evasive about the torture tape from the labyrinth?
"Nothing to see here, best avoid that cellar tho", sounds like her boytoy sanitar might be on that tape.

[rotund obsidian]

Does someone know the name of the alarm that plays whenever someone gets in the middle of the map?

[shadow loom]

i think you're right about that one, and i think lore wise they set up tagilla and drugged him hard and then maybe killa when he comes in sometimes is him trying to rescue his brother? I'm not sure...seems weird they're both there imo, but yeah its said sanitar does these types of things soo...

i think this whole thing is tagilla's drug psychosis because theres elaborate traps for example...and other things that indicate paranoia

[jade stag]

No it's just LK's sex dungeon

[flat dew]

I mean no wonder hes so crazy

[sturdy gulch]

is it confirmed whether or not you can buy estrogen in tarkov

like would therapist sell it

[shadow loom]

i dont want to know where you're going with this

[sturdy gulch]

ok where could i possibly be going with this.

[shadow loom]

hormone therapy ?

[torpid grove]

why on earth does the labyrinth only have 5 players

The location of the labyrinth makes a bit of sense, to me at least. The resort itself possibly represents Minos’ palace and the devs are just following the theory that the Labyrinth is located underneath Minos’ palace. However this theory is treated sceptically by most historians and it is more likely that the actual labyrinth is either located at Skotino cave or a series of tunnels at Gortyn. The more believable location of the historical Labyrinth however would be in Gortyn as these tunnels have shown evidence of being partially man-made and correspond to a labyrinth symbol on a 16th century map of Crete in a book of maps in the library of Christ Church, Oxford. More proof of the Labyrinth being located in Gortyn is references from a Roman poet, Catullus, naming the home of King Minos as ‘Gortynian’ and a later Byzantine author, Ioannes Malalas describing the labyrinth as a cave near Gortyn

in summary I’m just trying to say that BSG has done their homework and that it doesn’t make total sense as to why they set a 5 player max limit

BUT. Historically 14 children would be sent to the labyrinth every 7 years

7 boys and 7 girls

So why didn’t BSG just add 2 more rooms to spawn in

It would make so much more historical sense as then it would represent the historical 7 boys that would have been sent every 7 years to the labyrinth

They got everything right from Knossos being the historical location the Labyrinth is said to have been located in and even Ariadne who helps Theseus navigate the labyrinth

This explains Ariadne’s key and makes sense as to why it leads to an extract, and furthermore the in game Minotaur using a double sided axe is a representation of the word “Labyrs” which means from what I’ve gathered “double bladed axe”. Another meaning for it from what I recall is “the house of the double axe” (I can’t recall the exact name) which explains the name and the design of the Labrys Keycard

The only reason I can find for this particular max player number other than for gameplay purposes is from the lists mentioning the names of the youth sent to the labyrinth recorded in W.H. Roscher’s ‘Ausführliches Lexikon der griechischen und römischen Mythologie”, and this is for the third or fourth list listing only 4 boys, and this is only 4 boys, not 5. This theory itself doesn’t even add up, the list itself is incomplete and we know that 14 children would have been sent each time

If anyone that knows Greek history please provide me a reason as to why BSG decided that there should only be 5 players in the labyrinth

[sudden dust]

is the sausage item in game meant to be like summer sausage

[jade stag]

Gameplay reasons

Jokingggg

Historically I don't think there Is a reason

[torpid grove]

Aw :((

[dry seal]

BSG couldnt think of two more trap types

[torpid grove]

Boring

[shadow loom]

its like smoked sausage, its very common in europe....otherwise it wouldn't be crunchy and able to be ate out the wrapper.

[sudden dust]

summer sausage in the usa isnt crunchy but is able to be ate immediately

its the closest thing we have that I could think of thats why I ask

[open cairn]

My favorite part of the event questline is promoting the BTR Driver to do more drunk driving

[honest cedar]

Anyone know what the arena teaser is about? (edit: I’m being told battlepass)

[pale mountain]

guys is tagilla just a roided out dude who snorted a line

[open cairn]

Iirc he hit his head a bit too hard

[pale mountain]

oh damn

[shadow loom]

he is indeed a drug addict probably stims bro since they're experimental war drugs, before that i think he was a crackhead or something...

[stiff swan]

He is a L1-Stim addict

[half knot]

There is no battlepass, this isn't 2017 bro 💀

[desert panther]

so we are clueless

[honest cedar]

your mom

[honest cedar]

the reason he is found in factory is because it's a chemical plant and he's a chemical enjoyer

[craggy prairie]

Yes

[half knot]

Says the guy with a stoic profile pic 🤣

[honest cedar]

you just remember we had this conversation when the battlepass comes out 😎

[wintry aurora]

Goonsmith Lore Drop 13: Unofficial Tarkov Lore
Maker was spotted returning from the landmine-riddled edges of Woods, burdened with heavy gear, yet unshaken by the danger. It’s clear the Goonsmith’s influence is reaching into these hazardous areas, likely to gather resources that others would never dare touch. She remains unseen, but her presence quietly spreads into the most perilous corners of Tarkov, as she plans her next move.

[coarse wing]

#screenshots message lol

[left seal]

do people outside of tarkov know what's going on

[drowsy stone]

Well, you were wrong 🤣

[half knot]

there is no battlepass dont make me repeat it

[shadow loom]

thats what the update was for arena

[honest cedar]

Bro changed his identity because he was afraid I'd gloat

and you can't convince me otherwise

[honest cedar]

that's a really good question, my guess is yes considering in real life it's borderline impossible to completely contain an entire country/province/whatever from leaking news

[lime wave]

after the update there has been way more cheaters in arena too

[half knot]

It says there is battlepass now

[honest cedar]

YOU DON'T SAY

[brisk nebula]

I’ve always treated Tarkov like a Chernobyl exclusion zone. People know something happened, but multiple powerful groups are preventing news from leaving. That’s why we have to get in contact with people through Lightkeeper when we want answers.

[honest cedar]

Nice. Excited to see what they cook up for lore, all of the quests we have right now are sidequests canonically speaking.

[honest cedar]

I think people are just really good at the game. Not to get political.

[olive anchor]

yes

[marsh vessel]

yo i'm kinda new to the lore tbh i never searched for info i know just a couple things cand anyone explain me real quick what happened to tarkov? like there's a war or something?

[noble sapphire]

wher to find ledx

in lore

[half knot]

There is no lore

[viscid vortex]

In the game it refrences something called the contract wars

is that when shit hits the fan bears vs usec?

[real moss]

yeahthat was the og conflict, and also the name of Tarkov's Prequel

Yes, tarkov IS a sequel!