general

[sinful moon]

and agreed

[worn thorn]

greetings

[elder peak]

Hi!

[mellow gull]

Hello Elizabeth, Hav0k

[grizzled wing]

i had my 🥦 + 🧀

[hidden wraith]

yea that makes sense, so ok question, what about running it would inject the command, because i imagine a windows system would see a .mp3 file and try to run it in the desired program, which id imagine shouldnt be able to run any commands

[mellow gull]

What kind of cheese? :0

[elder peak]

Hello Gaww!

[grizzled wing]

marble

[elder peak]

Mmm broccoli cheese sounds yummmy.

[mellow gull]

The execution file that you see isn't necessarily representative of its actual functions. One thing you'll learn is that filetypes can be occluded or straight up spoofed, and their functions can't be entirely trusted just by their extension type.

[sinful moon]

I'm jumping in late but remember most Windows users have Hide Known Filetypes enabled, in which case you can make a song-name.mp3.ps1

[worn thorn]

a word document or excel sheet can also mess up your week if you allow it.

[grizzled wing]

it is so yummy

[sinful moon]

which would just look like song-name.mp3 to most users

[mellow gull]

In general, don't blind trust files you get off the internet.

[hidden wraith]

yea that makes sense, and thats why when making webservers you check for more than one extension, would it be possible with just a .mp3 extension?

[sinful moon]

If you control the web server you can just display any filename you want, bit harder if it's designed to just show raw files but doable

[mellow gull]

Also computers don't think like humans. When you try to execute an mp3 it doesn't go > click > oh mp3! music! > play music!

There's a far more sophisticated line of code that gets run that can be interacted with and manipulated.

[sinful moon]

Indeed, and also remember Unix/Linux/macOS don't give two craps about what the file extension actually is. That's much more of a Windows thing

[elder peak]

Oh I bet! I love me some broccoli! Also enjoy some, the less popular brussel sprouts, lol

[hidden wraith]

so what exactly would run then? i doubt the file would contain the way to run it

[sinful moon]

you can always use the *nix file command to identify what a file actually is, regardless of what extension it has

[worn thorn]

both are yum but I prefer the brocc

[grizzled wing]

brussel sprouts are so good with bacon in the oven

[hidden wraith]

on a windows system that is

[mellow gull]

The file definitely contains a way to run it. By virtue of being a file it has to run code to execute.

If it can't do it on its own it'll make a request or set a command series to a program that's probably on your computer that can run it.

[sinful moon]

On Windows it is specifically is specified by the file extension, and you can set that system wide

[mellow gull]

powershell is the usual suspect

but there are plenty of others

[grizzled wing]

i plan on learning powershell in '25

[sinful moon]

Powershell knowledge is invaluable for sure

especially for both infosec and Windows sysadmin

[worn thorn]

I plan on being active on thm/htb again.

[elder peak]

Mmm bacon is also one of my favs, definitely agreed, b spouts with bacon is soo good!

[mellow gull]

@hidden wraith When you learn about Enumeration you'll learn how infected files can basically piggyback onto more advanced programs to run their executions.

[hidden wraith]

ok so in that case when i double click in windows what exactly happens, sorry im asking a lot of questions btw, i like to understand it completely and fully

[mellow gull]

So for the MP3 example

[hidden wraith]

ive done a small amount of enumeration not much

[sinful moon]

If you mean in Windows, that will specifically check for any know filetype handlers for the extension

[worn thorn]

it looks for an associated program for that extension and tries to open it. If it doesn't have one it'll ask.

[sinful moon]

that's all stored in registry but can be edited via GUI config options

[mellow gull]

Yeah, that's the gist

It checks against the filetype and searches for something that can run it

[sinful moon]

It gets more complicated for other OSes, for Linux it's generally via xdg-open

[mellow gull]

If you mean "how does a virus on an MP3 do some crazy stuff, it's just an MP3," that's an ocean-large question with a million answers.

[sinful moon]

yeah I think my song-name.mp3.ps1 (with Hide Known Filetypes enabled) is probably the most likely, but it's far from the only concern

[hidden wraith]

ok so basically you double click windows will say this program defaultly opens mp3, then opens the file in the program? and i kinda am but id imagine that would be buffer overflow or some other attack

[mellow gull]

The potential problems start from the second you press the download button for a malicious folder

[sinful moon]

We're seeing this a lot reciently using .lnk (Windows shortcut) files since you can give it an arbirtary icon and it can run arbritary code

[hidden wraith]

yea that makes sense

[sinful moon]

Can put all your powershell in the .lnk as a first stage loader that continues to download and execute a more complext exploit/script

[grizzled wing]

i see John Hammond explain that, smply change the icon of some malicious file on windows to the recyle bin

[mellow gull]

well that's the current trend going on right now since it's way easier to get past AV

[sinful moon]

for sure, although I do know my EDR at work would catch that... well at the very least in the second stage of it

[austere verge]

I googled like 4 different things while lurking and reading this convo

[sinful moon]

But yeah they always try to make that first stage as innocuous looking as possible to both users and to AV/EDR

[mellow gull]

Once more the gist is don't trust random stuff you download on the internet

filetype is mostly irrelevant

[austere verge]

What if you like living life on the edge

[grizzled wing]

the coolest thing i learned when i started wa sjust because its says its a JPEG doe snot mean that is what it is, turns out it is a PDF which has nested stuff

[sinful moon]

lol I did actually see legit printer driver software get blocked however because it tried to use a similar .lnk link containing Powershell to launch it's own installer, and our EDR was like woah there

[mellow gull]

I do OCR work really regularly

And it's crazy what you can stuff into a pdf

[sinful moon]

which to be fair is extremely uncommon for legit software to be doing

[worn thorn]

printer drivers do be messy sometimes.

[grizzled wing]

i mentioned earlier printer hacking 101 room was my favorite

[austere verge]

So many acronyms 😵‍💫

[sinful moon]

Yeah lol, in this case it was Cannon's full suite. The tech this impacted just installed the bare drivers instead

[worn thorn]

many more to discover later on.

[grizzled wing]

HP printer error: HP has detected you failed to give them more money

[sinful moon]

it usually takes a while for our SOC to get back to us and actually generate an alert so I don't always get to let one of our techs know in time

[austere verge]

Ooh I know this one!

I learned on thm

[worn thorn]

should standardize error messages so it is useful for once.

[austere verge]

🤯

[sinful moon]

Yep SOC is a good one to know c:

[half girder]

my epson is more polite "you put new ink cartridges in... but they arent our official ones.. you know, not ours, go buy them"

[sinful moon]

Yeah HP is just brutal about this practice

[mellow gull]

erm, actually, we've decided that ink can go bad, and we've spent more money on competitor toner detection than on our actual printer technology, so yes, more money please

[sinful moon]

Their literal printer carts have DRM on them

[worn thorn]

never had issues with epson. They are pretty chill and haven't screwed me over.

[half girder]

they do it more politely ^^

[sinful moon]

Brother in my experience has been pretty solid, but yeah I never really use printers myself

Just have to support them endlessly at work lol

[grizzled wing]

printer error: we want more money

[mellow gull]

Brother hits you with that entry fee, but they won't nickle and dime you to death

[worn thorn]

true that

[sinful moon]

but in the end no one likes printers lol

[worn thorn]

unless it's a 3D one.

[sinful moon]

Totally fair, yeah and we usually are buying enterprise grade printers when possible

[half girder]

first set of ink is always quite low... just a few pages and then "buy mooarr" xD

[austere verge]

They remind me of old people with dementia

[mellow gull]

Printers are mostly used by old people

[half girder]

hey

lol

[worn thorn]

way to call someone out

[austere verge]

The way they be making noises and then not doing anything half the time until u tell it to do it again

[mellow gull]

[sinful moon]

Yeah, while I have a printer besides me in this work from home office, I can count on a single hand the number of times I actually needed to use it lol

[grizzled wing]

printers have some use

i have printer, used for scanning

[half girder]

return labels

[sinful moon]

Yeah that's the main thing my SO needs it for

I've needed it for some stuff dealing with the US goverment but that's about it

[mellow gull]

I have to use one for work semi-frequently

[worn thorn]

This year the home printer ran maybe 3 times total.

[half girder]

printing wifes return labels .. so in use a lot lol

[sinful moon]

Helps work wise that our entire company is IT and I work 800 miles away. I think we used it once so I could sign an NDA for them and scan it

[mellow gull]

man everything is electronic signature nowadays

[sinful moon]

Yeah lol, but this company has very little staff, they just wanted my physical signature in some form

But yeah this was about four years ago as well

mostly management/HR related there

[grizzled wing]

pandemic pushed tech forward

[sinful moon]

Mhmm and lol pandemic kinda got me this job so I can't complain

[half girder]

naaa, of course i can use digital signature at work, but i have a personal strict fountain pen rule. looks fancier 🤷‍♂️

[grizzled wing]

do you pentest it?

[mellow gull]

You mean you don't like that disgusting default fake cursive font they like to use for the electronic ones?

[hidden wraith]

ok so question regarding the 0 click malware you warned me about earlier, what allows that to happen bevause from what i can find its usually caused by hijacking anti virus or it just opening on install, are there any other ways? or are those the primary ones

[sinful moon]

lol the default adobe one looks awful indeed

[half girder]

of course 😉

[austere verge]

Prolly looks better than my handwritten cursive

[half girder]

surprising, innit?

[misty zealot]

what's a printer? 😁

[mellow gull]

It kind of depends? A common one is run-on-boot, but with the executable files it'll usually be a background process that runs on execution of the file.

[sinful moon]

If you mean zero click from a downloaded file or similarly, that's almost exclusively because the Preview Pane is enabled in Explorer or similar

[austere verge]

Hi idv player

[mellow gull]

Preview Pane is a blight

[worn thorn]

someone who worked a printing press back in the day

[misty zealot]

oh my god dont call me out in the wild like that

WE KEEP THAT STUFF HIDDEN OKAY

[austere verge]

Why it’s a cute game

[hidden wraith]

what is that and how do i disable it

[mellow gull]

I mentioned this to a few people here before but the current version of Outlook won't let you view file details without previewing them first and it infuriates me

[sinful moon]

If you don't see document previews in Windows Explorer then it's already disbaled

[misty zealot]

the fanbase is not. as a 6 year veteran of that hellhole i choose to not be associated with it 😭 anyways who do u main

[austere verge]

Bloody queen

[misty zealot]

. that is the worst dad joke i have ever seen

[sinful moon]

Yeah very thankful for those new Outlook defaults, and they warn you quite a bit before previewing a file, including PDF

[worn thorn]

good thing I don't plan to be one.

[sinful moon]

But yes even for a JPG

[hidden wraith]

oh ok that makes sense

[misty zealot]

opinions on hullabaloo?

[mellow gull]

Images are ultimately just a bunch of metadata

[sinful moon]

But yeah, Preview Pane is something you have to go out of your way to enable in Explorer

[austere verge]

As a survivor utterly terrifying I ban him every game

[misty zealot]

i still havent encountered him

because of how many times he's been banned

[misty zealot]

who do u surv main

[austere verge]

He locks ur abilities and spam hits

[misty zealot]

yeah as a priestess main i think i would just kms we can barely run around as it is

[austere verge]

Usually faro or acrobat or doctor idk

[sinful moon]

One could even say... and Adobe Acrobat?

[mellow gull]

[austere verge]

Adobe

[misty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-morton-identity-v-idv-idv-acrobat-acrobat-idv-gif-6835799293638755378

ray is referring to this creature

[austere verge]

I think I vaguely remember adobe getting cancelled on cool math games when I was in elementary school

[mellow gull]

Is ThAt CaroLinE???

[austere verge]

He’s a cutie patootie

[misty zealot]

it's if dead by daylight and coraline had a kid

the best game ever

but 99% of the fanbase is so weird

[sinful moon]

You're probably thinking of Flash

[mellow gull]

Adobe Flash Player got axed, that might be what you remember

[austere verge]

Oh yeah

[misty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/idv-identityv-identity-v-naib-subedar-luca-balsa-gif-8408639789155476925

this is literally the game

[half girder]

wasnt that just like yesterday?

[sinful moon]

You can still play them in a massive archive called BlueMaxmia Flashpoint

[mellow gull]

Adobe got canceled when you were in elementary?..

How old am I???

[sinful moon]

haha I know right

[austere verge]

I’m 19

[mellow gull]

[grizzled wing]

so young

[misty zealot]

you're as old as your back health 😌

[sinful moon]

But yeah Flashpoint is a standalone application which launches Flash games and similar, with standalone Adobe Flash Player, if you need that nostaliga hit

[worn thorn]

I was alive before minecraft was a concept 💀

[mellow gull]

I was born with scoliosis so I'm very old

[misty zealot]

bruh- outta all the health areas i could have mentioned

[austere verge]

You can be my role model I’ll totally look up to you

[misty zealot]

😭

[sinful moon]

I remember taking off "sick" in high school when Minecraft survival mode launched

[half girder]

im so old, winamp is still the first thing i install xD

[grizzled wing]

i was around for Ask Jeeves

[mellow gull]

Oh, brother, you could've mentioned any health area and I've got a chronic disorder for it

[sinful moon]

no biomes etc, just the original survial mode after creative

[grizzled wing]

Ask Jeves was ahead of its time, it should have been AI

[worn thorn]

classic mc in the browser was the craze

also clippy my beloved

[misty zealot]

i think i was 6 years old when everyone was talkig about that 😭

[austere verge]

I was a Xbox one kid

[grizzled wing]

https://tenor.com/view/clippy-microsoft-office-word-publisher-gif-5630386

[mellow gull]

I remember playing the demo sandbox for minecraft in the browser

with the fog turned up WAY too high

[sinful moon]

I actually remember when biomes hit, it fricked up our server since our shared town ended up being in a snow biome all of the sudden lol

[misty zealot]

LOOL WITH THE "one hour is equivalent so several days"

[grizzled wing]

"it looks like you want to write malware, would you like some help?"

[misty zealot]

okay next question

wizards101.

[mellow gull]

played it.

[sinful moon]

I was much too old by the time it was new

[misty zealot]

so real

[worn thorn]

bonzibuddy being the predecessor of cortana

[mellow gull]

also pirates 101

[misty zealot]

i was feral over pirates101

[mellow gull]

and Pirates of the Caribbean online before it got eradicated in less than a year after start of service

[misty zealot]

i never played that one rip

[sinful moon]

I have watched hour long documentaries on Wizard101 and such because I kind of love to hear this stuff, especially for now long dead online games

[mellow gull]

Wizard101 is still very active LMAO

[misty zealot]

atp i believed it was malware because we were unable to uninstall it from my computer

[sinful moon]

oh rip, figured it went the way of Club Penguin and more

[misty zealot]

😭

[mellow gull]

Nah they're still putting out content

it's crazy, but it makes whacky money

[austere verge]

The Nintendo ds was my primary gaming device for a while

[grizzled wing]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-pirates-cute-pirate-pirates-of-the-caribbean-pirate-ship-gif-9643795040544642482

[sinful moon]

Meanwhile my first gaming "device" was Sega Genesis lol

[grizzled wing]

SEGA

[mellow gull]

I'd have rather still had Club Penguin though

[misty zealot]

club penguin >>

[mellow gull]

I was such a good secret agent

[sinful moon]

Yeah, it may exist, but I'm suprised I haven't heard about Club Penguin revival efforts

[misty zealot]

not if youre TELLING US 🤨

[mellow gull]

Now that I've told you you know what I must do now

[sinful moon]

but probably much hader to get going again compared to others

[mellow gull]

There were a couple attempts at it

And there are some private servers running it atm

[sinful moon]

Nice nice

[mellow gull]

But nothing public facing

It has the same fate as City of Heroes

[misty zealot]

ive never even heard of that

[sinful moon]

Well that was basically forced to go public after everyone knew about the private efforts

[mellow gull]

You missed out

City of Heroes was the superhero game for a long time

[misty zealot]

😩

[sinful moon]

Mhmm, very neat game

[mellow gull]

DC Online ain't got garbo on it

[sinful moon]

It is now open to the public tho via private servers, but yeah used to be private knowledge as well

[clear jackal]

?

[crystal sonnet]

Why does tryhackme keep freezing up on firefox?

[clear jackal]

POTCO existed for about 6 years

[mellow gull]

Was it six years?

[sinful moon]

Never experienced that myself GG, and Firefox is all I've ever used for THM

[mellow gull]

It felt like so much less

[clear jackal]

Yee

[misty zealot]

lemme test to see if it's an issue or just you

damn.

[sinful moon]

It is an issue for just them, I suspect they have an extension or something causing issues

[clear jackal]

There's a crew trying to bring it back/keep it alive as well

[misty zealot]

yeah it's a you issue

[crystal sonnet]

its just started happening a couple of days ago, I havent changed anything on the browser nor the computer, cant seem to figure out the reason.

[sinful moon]

4+ years of THM on Firefox myself

[austere verge]

Or it’s the computer being poopy

[crystal sonnet]

plenty of computer resources avaliable

[mellow gull]

I remember I kept making new accounts that I'd speedrun to tortuga island and then give up cause it got hard and I was too stupid to play the game properly

[misty zealot]

this is why i have two go to browsers because i switch to the other for a week then bam all's been fixed

[half girder]

its just his issue, and wrong channel anyways

[misty zealot]

that sounds so much more fun than binging the movies over and over again

[sinful moon]

Beyond basic Flash games, I honestly never got into many of these browser MMOs and etc tbh

[misty zealot]

i found a really good one just from a popup ad that i completely forgot and i still miss to this day

[sinful moon]

Not even Runescape back in the day, but that was due to my adversion to Java in the browser lol

[misty zealot]

popup ad from a dodgy website too

[mellow gull]

That was my whole childhood. Homeschooled by parents that never paid attention to me left me with way too much computer time.

[misty zealot]

i was 8

[misty zealot]

i bet you were so happy during covid watching everyone suffer your daily life

[sinful moon]

So sorry for the homescooling lol, that's never fun. I have a close friend who was as well

She was extremely shelted to much of anything until I became friends with her lol

[half girder]

homeschooled???? where does this happen??

[sinful moon]

United States

[half girder]

wtf?

[sinful moon]

Or Canada lol

[grizzled wing]

not as common in canada

[misty zealot]

i was homeschooled for 6 years of my life, it kind of just happens

[sinful moon]

My friend above was home schooled Canadian but yeah

[mellow gull]

I was raised up on a program called K12 starting from fourth grade cause I was a biiig bullying victim in the public school system. My mother was too sick (and frankly too nuts) so she just gave me the teacher userkey and let me teach myself school.

[clear jackal]

I basically maxed out the free content

[sinful moon]

lol that's wild, but yeah sorry to hear about that situation for sure

[half girder]

i thought that only exists in cults and circus

[sinful moon]

We have a lot of those here lol

[mellow gull]

Well now you know a real example

[austere verge]

Freedom!

[mellow gull]

And can confirm, it was not great

[misty zealot]

i mean, homeschooling worked for me because i was never in a country for more than 2 years, generally moved every few months

[sinful moon]

It's often very relegious parents and etc

[misty zealot]

personally homeschooling was fun for me as i always got to have new experiences

[mellow gull]

I was autistic enough to learn the school part but missing out on a decade of essential social development has definitely done irreparable damage.

[sinful moon]

Yeah for sure, kind of the same deal with my close friend

But lol Discord helps

[austere verge]

I went to school and still hardly developed social skills some of us just be loners 😔

[misty zealot]

once again, everyone got nerfed during covid you are so fine

[mellow gull]

Hey I've got a superiority complex about that

At least I maintained a higher-than-grade reading grade level

[sinful moon]

Very nice, yeah same despite my public schooling

[misty zealot]

being social is just a muscle you need to exercise youre gonna be fine

[sinful moon]

Wow if I can type correctly that is

[misty zealot]

the edits there had me dying

[sinful moon]

I know right, worst word to typo multiple times lol

[misty zealot]

the context as well

absolutely rich

[mellow gull]

I've learned if I'm just nothing but my truest self and don't bother pretending to be something else then I get by pretty well.

[sinful moon]

It's alright, back in 4th grade my Spelling Tests would be titled by myself as "Spilling Tests"

[worn thorn]

covid time during school was fine. It was learning without the filler yappin and endless repeating questions of the others.

[misty zealot]

so... homeschool...

[mellow gull]

Trying to emulate my delusional interpretation of normal has only ever caused problems.

[misty zealot]

👀

[hidden wraith]

im learning i hate investigating threats lol

[sinful moon]

Yeah I can't even imagine covid era learning, must have been wild

[worn thorn]

actually my school was pretty chill about if you need to attend or stay at home.

[mellow gull]

I've heard nothing but horror stories from the teachers I know

[half girder]

homeschooling xD

[mellow gull]

Apparently in America the aftershocks are still causing major problems

[misty zealot]

oh that's nice of them, i feel bad for the teachers though

[sinful moon]

lol that's fair. I did have some online learning in high school, but those were advanced classes that couldn't be provided by the school... and we just sat in a classroom with a bunch of computers to do so

[misty zealot]

i caught covid 5 times

[sinful moon]

ouch

[half girder]

well, covid put teachers to their limits .. when you have someone 50+, who never did more with a computer than just amazon shopping, is now suddenly supposed to do classes over video calls .. i can absolutely understand that didnt work out at all

[misty zealot]

and i was the biggest social distancer germophobe ever

[worn thorn]

yea true but hey they were surprised to see even one taking that deal. I had a great time with my math teacher learning more advanced topics.

[austere verge]

I nearly failed high school never rlly made friends after covid and stopped doing work almost dropped out of uni too before finding comp sci which im good at for some reason

[mellow gull]

More worried about the younger kids

[misty zealot]

i diagnose you with autism

[mellow gull]

We've got a generation of people that never developed the ability to learn

[worn thorn]

they are already lost tbf.

[sinful moon]

Glad to hear you found your passion though, yeah keep at it!

[misty zealot]

i think there are bigger issues than covid for those creatures

[half girder]

that already happened before covid 😉

[austere verge]

I do show a lot of signs

[misty zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[mellow gull]

I think all of us are maybe just a little bit...

[sinful moon]

Yeah I do honestly think I'm undiagnosted autistic. For the longest time I thought I couldn't be due to me being an extravert, but I long since learned that's a total myth

[austere verge]

I went to a psychiatrist for a bit but I think I stopped before getting any kind of diagnosis

[misty zealot]

autism is a superpower if you learn how to use it correctly

[worn thorn]

I sure don't like contant yappin

[half girder]

when i was young there was no autism, it was just "nerdy" lol

[austere verge]

Fr just gotta get in that obsessive flow state

[mellow gull]

Only in some cases, and certainly not even for most

[sinful moon]

Yeah I'm constantly on an obsession of some sort or another, addicted to it

[misty zealot]

are you kidding me? i managed to remove my autism social intelligence nerf by using pattern recognition tism with my memory tism

[sinful moon]

I have over 3K articles in my Wikipedia Reading Lists on mobile, with Wikipedia also being one of my top past times lol

[misty zealot]

dopamine hunting? 👀 do you ever complete these tasks or no bc that could be adhd

[grizzled wing]

tired. have fun people, fun chatting with all day gaww , and with Elizabeth

[misty zealot]

gnnnnn

[worn thorn]

cya

[sinful moon]

Nah I do complete tasks, I don't get easily distracted until I move onto the next obsession and drop it completely until I come back around

[mellow gull]

...So, I have a bit of a background in assisting with early education, particularly for people with developmental disorders, and there are statistically more people with low functioning ASD then there are cases of your stereotypical hyperobsessed savants.

[misty zealot]

tism

[austere verge]

Goodnight unc

[mellow gull]

rest well veggies

[sinful moon]

Nice yeah I worked with ASD specific classrooms, it was very rewarding

but yeah I for sure agree

There's so many more on the spectrum that just fly under the radar

[mellow gull]

It's a spectrum for a reason

[sinful moon]

for sure

[misty zealot]

tbf i dont really view the spectrum as low functioning or high functioning it just depends on the treatment variations

[mellow gull]

Scaled as low as someone with a barely noticeable tick to as high as someone that can't function whatsoever

[misty zealot]

and how early it starts

my mother's a psychotherapist and ive seen her interventions

[sinful moon]

Yeah I worked with completely non-verbal individuals on the spectrum at times, but yet they would still be extremely insightful and intelligent

[mellow gull]

Look, I used to live with a mother that had a son that was low-functioning.

He spent 22 hours a day in a crib being strapped down because otherwise he'd hurt himself with random flailing

[misty zealot]

exactly, so many children that were thrown out by their schools ended up doing super fine with the right intervention

[mellow gull]

He was a fully grown adult.

[weary veldt]

I recommend huberman lab podcast on this topic

It will be very helpful

[sinful moon]

I'd argue that may have been a lack of stimulation and education growing up, and just our very poor knowedge of about this stuff at the time. Things have for sure changed indeed

[misty zealot]

i was going to say something similar among those lines

especially with how flexible the brain is

[sinful moon]

I worked with many similar indivuduals in the ASD classes as a parapro and yeah we saw a lot of those ticks but eduction for these indivudals have helped a ton

[misty zealot]

i dont think an autism diagnosis is the same as it was a few decades ago simply for this reason, more awareness means that there's early intervention and training/treatment

[sinful moon]

but also as someone who worked in special education and home health care, keeping someone strapped down like that is actually kind of illegal?

For sure

[mellow gull]

In the kid's case it wasn't a matter of just trying to stop him, it was something he didn't have control over. We had a state rep that would show up every once in a while

But he'd broken bones doing it before

[sinful moon]

Which also explains the "Autism Epidemic" everyone is/was afraid of. No our diagnosis of such just got dramatically better, because yep it is indeed a spectrum

[sinful moon]

That's fair but with proper redirection and more, this is something that can improve. Yes stimming can be extreme for some people, but it doesn't always have to be self distructive in time

I even worked at a school which was the "last stop" for troubled people in special education, and saw it work wonders

[mellow gull]

I agree. We've gotten a lot better about it even in just the last decade compared to what we used to do ala "toss em into the shark tank, they'll either get better on their own or they'll be bullied into a psychotic break"

I know, I was one of the kids tossed into the shark tank

[sinful moon]

Yeah that's unfortunate, but I do agree. I will admit I worked at an extremely well funded program in the 2010s but could see night and day differences in some students

I know other school districts and more around us didn't have it so well

[misty zealot]

gaww i do understand that things have been harsh but it's not the same anymore

[mellow gull]

I had a lot kind of going against me. But it's definitely a lot better now and I'm glad not quite so many kids are getting the treatment I got.

[sinful moon]

helps to have a major multinational company funding these programs because this is their headquarters lol

[mellow gull]

Never implied otherwise.

[misty zealot]

so im sorry but i do have to disagree with this

[sinful moon]

How so?

[mellow gull]

That was poor wording on my part, I agree.

The implication that most cases are 'low functioning,' a bit of a split from what I was trying to say.

[sinful moon]

Yes for some it's deabhilitating, but it also allows individuals to excel especially in very STEM and more

[misty zealot]

the earlier these children will be able to understand their condition and utilise it because it's not a disability, it's pattern thinking

[sinful moon]

mhmm

[mellow gull]

At least now'a'days the big obstacle seems to be parents

There's a lot of nightmare mongering going around

[misty zealot]

i believe low functioning autism is just autism that hasnt been treated properly

[sinful moon]

Yeah unfortunately. Referenced some of that above. But yeah it's not an illness that can be contracted or more, it's just another way for the brain to function

[half girder]

well, i dont know what its like in foreign countries, but in germany parents can force a school to have their kid being schooled there with a helper .. what might kinda work in elementary... but after, its rather a pain in the ass for the kid itself and the other kids.. there are special schools, but parents dont want to accept their kid needs different help

[misty zealot]

yikes

[mellow gull]

A certain number of parents don't want to be "the family with that kid on the block"

And it's easier to just reject heuristic or educational assistance for them outright at their kid's expense than admit it.

[misty zealot]

hopefully social media brings more awareness over there then

[sinful moon]

In the United States, we do have the former for "high functioning" students, a term I'm still not huge on, but we'd have the same schools for both general public education and special education.

They'd just be dedicated classrooms for the people who needed it

[worn thorn]

gotta keep their reputation up rather than helping their own.

[misty zealot]

the irony is most parents ive seen who have shamed their kids for autism / said they didnt have it end up being the autistic parents

[mellow gull]

When I was in public school there wasn't any separation. I used to group up with a bunch of 'special' kids cause they'd be bullied if they were left alone.

[austere verge]

My closest friend in elementary and middle school had a helper I think

But also I think he got better and stopped needing him by the time we got out of middle school

Always seemed normal to me tho

And I never asked about it

[sinful moon]

Yeah that is unfortunate. But yeah I can't really speak for other areas in the US, I just know our program got tons of funding which helps lol

[mellow gull]

We're fifty countries calling itself one country

The differences in funding and standards is as wide as can be

[sinful moon]

you're not wrong lol

[misty zealot]

i think that at least once a week

[sinful moon]

Meanwhile, this may be a bit of a DOX, but lol it was one of the companies who made Agent Orange making this all possible 🙃

[half girder]

no offense, but the US doesnt get a shit done in a general way - basically every state operates on its own xD

[mellow gull]

America starts making a lot more sense if you understand it's basically just the European Union and all the states are union members

[austere verge]

True but federal government has a lot of influence by choosing to provide or withhold funding to states on certain things

[mellow gull]

Which is exactly what the union does from time to time

[misty zealot]

THEY GAVE FUNDING??

[sinful moon]

But even within my own State, yeah each school district is their own distinct entity with their own counties within the state within the country

[mellow gull]

Second lowest paid school district victim, baby

[sinful moon]

Yep, don't "crap" where you live. But also they do a ton of funding locally to kinda sway the public

[half girder]

in germany, education is a state thing... thats why education is called the hoe of politics cause everyone uses it as they wish lol

thats why your final mark in school is rated differently from state to state... in state A you might have a B+ .. in another state its just a C-

[mellow gull]

Hey, like, entirely off topic
What's the etymology/origin of Kangafoo? Just kinda curious, feel free to shoo me away

[half girder]

wanted a new name, i like kangaroos, replace r through f cause of foobar and thats it

[mellow gull]

Makes sense!

[sinful moon]

something something foobar2000 is love

I'm sure that's not the reason why tho lol

with the program its self being named after such

[half girder]

yea my old name is / was related to some stuff, so was about time for a new start lol

[sinful moon]

lol my first handle was back in elementary school for NeoPets, and I just picked an Egyptian god and some numbers because The Mummy was big back then 🙃

and to be fair, mythology has always been intersting to me

Although kind of helps we had back to back Hercules and The Mummy in the 90s lol

[austere verge]

Took a whole class on Greek myths cuz I needed the credit

[sinful moon]

Nice, although interesting and can still be relevant

[austere verge]

How come

[mellow gull]

Well if you ever meet one of the gorgons you know how to face them

[austere verge]

A mirror

[sinful moon]

If nothing else, naming of geeky projects lol

[half girder]

i had latin in school for 8 years .. rip

[sinful moon]

whew

[half girder]

i wanted to add the ancient greek but parents were like "you want to become a priest or what?"

[sinful moon]

This wasn't my choice since I moved in with my SO, but adopted his current greek gods hostname scheme

even my remote pentesting server is nyx. Although yeah it gets a bit more difficult the more machines you have 🙃

[mellow gull]

There are just so many greek gods

[sinful moon]

obviously in production, having cute pet names is far from ideal though

[austere verge]

Hesiod’s theogony is what we used in that class

And some Herodotus and the illiad and the odyssey ofc

[sinful moon]

yeah although you can tell me dipping into nyx I'd already taken a lot of the neat female godesses

nyx is cool though and is in the game Hades though, so that's neat

[half girder]

my computer names are all cow related lol

[sinful moon]

of coruse I say all of this from Elizabeths-Mac-mini.local 🙃

[mellow gull]

You'd have had Eris, Persephone, Circe, Gaia, Selene, Nike, Erinyes, Methe, Cybele... There's plenty

[sinful moon]

Yeah already used plenty of those, some of which were already claimed by the SO

[austere verge]

U don’t even have to just use gods

[rapid merlin]

Does anyone know how to get a girlfriend in 2025?

[austere verge]

Medea

[mellow gull]

Theft.

[sinful moon]

lol that's what Zeus would have done

[austere verge]

He would’ve disguised himself as a bull

And gone over to Europa

[mellow gull]

Minthe is a fun one for a secret host

[half girder]

the same way as all the centuries before, you gotta talk to girls lol

[austere verge]

Are yall familiar with the epic of Gilgamesh

[mellow gull]

Yes.

[sinful moon]

The Greeks and Romans were really funny about that though. What a nice religion you have, we just conquored you so you know... Zeus actually spawned them. Let's not get too into the weeds on the why

[austere verge]

My pfp is anime gil lol

[mellow gull]

The syncretism between the greeks and romans is a really neat historical footnote

[sinful moon]

For sure

[mellow gull]

The fact that a lot of it ended up coming down to "You know what they're the same gods they just have different names for the other dudes" is unironically really funny

[sinful moon]

lol indeed. But yeah I'm usually a much bigger fan of the Greek naming and etc. Roman, well we just kinda named our panets after them and less fun

[mellow gull]

Hermes is 100x cooler than Mercury

Poseidon is 1000x cooler than Neptune

[sinful moon]

lol for sure

Discord please? Edit: there we go

[mellow gull]

Discord's been kinda skippy these last few days here and there

[sinful moon]

lol yeah, I haven't noticed to many issues as of late but you never know

[mellow gull]

The only thing the romans got cooler might be Hercules

Most of the time I prefer Hercules to Heracles

[sinful moon]

but also, would we still have the same kind of whimsical mystism/interest about these names if we had named them after Greek gods?

oof, Discord is doing it again 🙃

Nah it’s my home internet connection apparently. Lost to the void

Oh… okay

[austere verge]

I mean Prometheus would make a sick name for some kind of malware that steals data

[mellow gull]

Welcome back

[sinful moon]

lol thanks, not too happy with Charter's internet around midnight as of late

[mellow gull]

Cerberus for a malware would be pretty sick

[sinful moon]

we do have dual ISPs with fallback, but really the other ISP is mainly for our work from home connection

[austere verge]

I keep going to sleep and then opening this chat again cuz it’s too entertaining

[mellow gull]

We already use Hydra with one of our favorite tools so that's taken...

[austere verge]

Oo

[mellow gull]

Scylla as a Trojan with Carybdis as it's C2 would be very neat (I am obligated to say I am not advocating for it)

[sinful moon]

Thinking more generally of funny infosec names and exploits, I still love "VileFault" for FileVault for macOS oriented stuff

[mellow gull]

Program writers are a funny group

They've spent hundreds of hours writing the most psychotic script imaginable just to expend the rest of their deluded imagination naming it DartFestroyer

[sinful moon]

lol pretty much

[austere verge]

I dream to work on DartFestroyer2.0 one day

[sinful moon]

Alright lol, before I spend the rest of the night on chat, I should get back to doing my very important tasks... like emulating MacOS 6.0.8 on my modern Mac, because reasons

[mellow gull]

I nearly got one of those little mini Macintosh blocks with the emulated OS a while back

[sinful moon]

Oh those little guys which were like inches tall? Yeah completely unusable but very cute!

[mellow gull]

Yeah that's the one. Good for, like, a basic clock or weather display on your desk

[sinful moon]

mhmm can't complain c:

Talk to you all later!

[mellow gull]

Have a good one!

[austere verge]

I will attempt to go to sleep and not lurk

[mellow gull]

You get good rest too then

[rapid merlin]

👋

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8GEp0aM0dg

[slate wing]

Yo guys I am peeing and pooping boredom from studying network+ lol

It's boring how do u guys make networking fun?

[odd lintel]

anyone have experience with tkinter in python

i am having trouble installing it

[rapid merlin]

by being social and networking with people 🙂

[slate wing]

Bro

Comptia Network +

Lol

I mean I saw the boredom in my poop when I examined it after I finished

[rapid merlin]

there is some interesting psychology in that behaviour

[slate wing]

Tell me

[rapid merlin]

above my pay grade

[slate wing]

What is that?

[rapid merlin]

an interesting part of my job is getting to work with people in areas of study

and spending time listening to them share about their experience/education

I wish I could help you dive into that question more

yet I get the desire to pursue certifications 🙂

[rapid merlin]

@wraith bronze what is that link about?

never forget https://www.shlinkedin.com/

[wheat mesa]

Is Xfe better or GNOME

[split plover]

We just talked about it yesterday lol

[split plover]

Read about the diff between them and I believe you'll be able to decide which one suits you the more 😉

[rapid merlin]

why is red team capstone attack box adapter not there?
like i have to use my own vm
but it keeps freezing on me so id like to be able to use the attackbox

[knotty pendant]

Hi

[cobalt garden]

Hi

[weary veldt]

Finally i will be successful 😃

[cobalt garden]

Do you know how it is possible to access an Instagram account without it being yours? If someone does it for me, I will pay them

[heavy gorge]

Hello hackers

[weary veldt]

Hi

[rapid merlin]

@sick lance

[knotty pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/apenas-embaixador-fla-gif-21991608

[weary veldt]

Chickendeno

[heavy gorge]

Sup anon ?

[heavy gorge]

:⁾

[sick lance]

That would be illegal

[cobalt garden]

It was my account but it was stolen

[sick lance]

"without it being yours"

[cobalt garden]

I passed proof that it was mine, I said that because it is literally not mine anymore

[sick lance]

Please seek out telegram support

[rapid merlin]

@sick lance who can I contact regarding networks

[sick lance]

Why!

?

[rapid merlin]

ngl I been having a really hard time with them

what I mean by that is

attackbox doesnt have the capstone adapter that the network says it should have

I tried using my own vm

but i guess it doesnt have enough power

so it keeps freezing on me

I would like to be able to use the attackbox

to pentest the redteam capstone network

[sick lance]

Then post in the channel

[rapid merlin]

which one

[sick lance]

The capstone one

#red-team-capstone-challenge

[polar wraith]

thms close to 4m users

[rapid merlin]

Damn

[sick lance]

It's a library, you don't need to install it, just import it

[azure hill]

I just wanted to say; Merry Christmas to all 4m users and I hope everyone has an awesome end of the year 😄 ❤️

[wild turret]

hey

hey people

anybody here

[gray sonnet]

Hey there

[split plover]

Hi

[rapid merlin]

I can still see the sunrise

[wild turret]

hey if you are active in thm does someone in discord see you active or

[rapid merlin]

No

I don’t think so

[sick lance]

No, they're not linked.

[rapid merlin]

The only shared info is the colour of your rank

[sick lance]

(activity wise).

[rapid merlin]

I’m still sleepy

Now when I wake up I check my daughters okay and then look for the kitten 😅

[wild turret]

ohh ok

[rapid merlin]

I might be twisted but any challenge in life seems like a THM flag to be solved

that doesn't mean I don't get frustrated 😄

I mean in this case the issue is with THM

so

painful

@sick lance so happy you mentioned Zap to me, that tool is so fun to use 🙂

yet still need to know why Burp is so popular

[sick lance]

Burp is the industry standard.

[rapid merlin]

ah

[sick lance]

Especially if your org pays for pro.

[rapid merlin]

understandable

[exotic vector]

im getting more comfortable with burp, im not getting as lost in it. I haven't tried zap yet

[warped grail]

metasploit rooms is so confusing for beginners gonna have to practice again and again fr

[rapid merlin]

that 's a great feeling once you become comfortable with a tool 🙂

it certainly paves the way to more opportunities for learning

[rapid merlin]

I had to do that like you mentioned, repeating it over and over until it sunk in

[warped grail]

ikr i just did the metasploit exploiting room and i was like wtf

i am confused af

ig if i just use it i will get used to it and understand little by little

[rapid merlin]

don't let that feeling discourage you, it's pretty normal, hopeful you plow through 🙂

I love the mantra of "try harder" it's kinda true

[warped grail]

[rapid merlin]

I try and remind myself of that when I'm blocked on something in my head

[exotic vector]

When I did the metasploit rooms, I ended up doing a lot of extra reading. But now I know the tool and comfortable with it.

[sick lance]

Just re-vsit rooms/materials every few days.

Remember you won't remember everything you learn.

[rapid merlin]

I really try and gift myself with breaks when I am too hard on myself as well

easier said than done 😉

[molten sky]

that sounds like a decent alternative ---- our normal way is the x will continue until morale improves

[rapid merlin]

I am reading a book titled "the myth of normal"

[molten sky]

also hi @sick lance

missed ya <3

[shell nova]

Pro is way better yeah

[exotic vector]

you always need breaks, theres only so much information you can fit in your brain each day. But takes a few times of revisting it before it sticks

[sick lance]

Dunno how, not like I've left

[rapid merlin]

@sick lance what is a vacation like for you?

[molten sky]

i thought i was gone for longer but apparently not

i was in here just a week ago posting sinks

[rapid merlin]

self care being important etc.

[molten sky]

scotch is my self care

it's good self care

[exotic vector]

it is, I had to take a week break when I had an SSD completely fail and lost my notes. Decided to have a break, im still not completely there but definitely a lot better since the SSD died.

[rapid merlin]

@molten sky depressants as escapism? I'm not perfect 😄

@exotic vector good for you taking a break 👍

[molten sky]

good point on it being a depressant -- i have a solution for that too but it's not very THMy

[rapid merlin]

I hear ya 🙂

[molten sky]

~~ the solution is more scotch ~~

but actually tho i normally have a glass after work but now i can't cause gym ,-,

[exotic vector]

I now have so many books on cybersecurity and hacking, I should start reading some of it lol

[rapid merlin]

interesting, ya I have a coworker who did sober November, doing gym now 🙂

[molten sky]

my drinking day now is after the gym on the day before rest days only, but the problem is i always forget it's an okay-to-drink day and then i miss the big event

[rapid merlin]

I only know self care and being connected to people is really important

psychosocial rehabiliation!

or at least my school training taught me that 😉

we are all doing that now

[molten sky]

100% ---- working full remote is cool and all but i'd appreciate the option to go in once in a while and not be a recluse by mandate

and it's almost 5am and i'm tired as hell ---- peace y'all

o7

[exotic vector]

goodnight

[upbeat flax]

I don’t drink anymore it takes me places and makes me cry, i just spend 4 hours a day in the gym six days a week

[rapid merlin]

nice work 👍

[upbeat flax]

I’m not happy or satisfied i think i should hop on ⚙️

[molten sky]

treats everyone differently -- if you gotta opt out ya gotta opt out
gym as an alternative is even better

[molten sky]

how long have you been at it?

[upbeat flax]

Agree

[upbeat flax]

8 months

[rapid merlin]

my best lesson in school was to not believe my own thinking (it is just a hint) not a truth

[upbeat flax]

I will remember this

[rapid merlin]

makes my job really easy, and people seem to love it 🙂

[upbeat flax]

Wait how do you not believe your own thinking ?

[rapid merlin]

well I question it mostly, so it is never a truth

I don't box myself in

[molten sky]

No gear. Absolutely not. There's absolutely nothing wrong with using as long as you're okay with the health risks (as with alcohol, tobacco, etc), but at only 8 months, it's just too early
Take advantage of those newbie gains while you can

[rapid merlin]

maybe me explaining this is completely abstract and wrong too 😄

I also love art

[upbeat flax]

How much longer does newbie gains last, i went from 52kg to 65 but now its stagnant

Wait isn’t this a cybersecurity sever

[upbeat flax]

So you’re open to other’s opinions?

[molten sky]

different for everyone --- but at 8mo i'd wager you're still in it, easily
if you're stagnating, there are tons of other options to kickstart things agian that aren't unnnatural

[rapid merlin]

listening is my skill

[upbeat flax]

I see

[upbeat flax]

That’s a great skill

[rapid merlin]

thanks

[upbeat flax]

Did anyone notice the character in my pfp

[molten sky]

you mentioned spending a shit ton of time at the gym --- deload for a week or two. maybe take a week off. that alone is huge

make sure your diet is where it should be. macros are important if you want to optimize things

redevelop your routine --- if you've been flat benching only for 8 months, your body gets used to things --- switch to an incline for a few and see if it makes a dent

overworking yourself can slow things down quite a bit

[rapid merlin]

@molten sky you really know fitness 😮

[upbeat flax]

I see changing up the workouts will help and spending a week once in a while not working out

[upbeat flax]

I thought eating more helps, i do push pull leg btw

[molten sky]

ultimately, if you need to, you're not gonna lose a gram of muscle taking a week off --- a month or two absolutely, but a week here or there isn't gonna lose anything

you're obviously skipping a week of training, so you'd lose that week of apparent progress, but you could gain that back in just being fresh and not a crumbling mess anymore

[upbeat flax]

And it’s actually useful information that’s helping me already

[narrow bone]

Subscribe to Renaissance Periodization on youtube and listen to Dr. Mike Israetel - giving the "best advice" scientific based for every gym bro. (But still funny vids love his humor)

[molten sky]

100% on the eating --- diet is most of it --- if you're not eating enough, you're not gonna have the energy, not gonna have the nutrients to build or repair, and just gonna feel like shit

[molten sky]

israetel is fuckin hilarious as well

love RP

[upbeat flax]

Renaissance periodisation ok

[narrow bone]

the best for that

[molten sky]

also yeah PPL is my kinda split -- love it

albeit mine is a bit bastardized

[upbeat flax]

Most of my diet is losts of rice and chicken and steamed vegetables and i take creatine and whey

[molten sky]

re: diet ---- it's helpful to log what you're eating if you don't already, just to more easily track macros and calorie intake and whatnot --- do not become obsessive over it, 50 kcal here and there isn't gonna kill you, but it helps you keep on top of things and figure out 'why do i feel weak af this week? ahh my xyz is all fucked up'

I'm personally a big fan of cronometer but people have their preferences

[upbeat flax]

Cronometer is an app ? Can i log stuff in there easily?

[narrow bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnJr28JI5e8

Dont know about your age but here he is talking about "when and if" to take gear because many young people are doing it nowadays when they absolutley dont need it took me some minutes to find it 😂

[molten sky]

I've been on a slight deficit recently and it's kicking my ass energy wise --- can't get shit for reps no matter the weight

it's night and day how it affects performance

[rapid merlin]

I make walks to the grocery store as my exercise 😮

[upbeat flax]

Should i change anything?

[molten sky]

don't think i've watched this one but i'd wager he agrees 8 months is too early lol

[upbeat flax]

Walking is not enough, you should run instead

[rapid merlin]

interesting

ya I worry about my heart

[upbeat flax]

About those safer alternatives…. What are they ?

[upbeat flax]

It becomes stronger

[rapid merlin]

I used to do a lot of street outreach where I would walk a ton

[molten sky]

nothing stands out necessarily --- chicken and rice are both good and as long as you're a decent cook then you can do a ton with them --- even a good risotto
just make sure your macros and micros are hit cause it _is_ a fairly limited diet, and it's easy to miss things

[rapid merlin]

thankful I go back to my social worker role in 2025 part time 🙂

taking people on social outings

[molten sky]

i've been a lil low carb recently, getting most of my kcal from fat + protein instead, and that's affecting energy as well --- but it makes the cut a whole lot easier

[exotic vector]

I live on the top floor of my block of flats, so my exercise is walking up and down them on my way to the supermarket lol

[upbeat flax]

What would you say is the best food for daily consumption to get those macros efficiently

[upbeat flax]

Isn’t that ketosis

[rapid merlin]

we really live the same life 🙂

[molten sky]

it's the right concept for keto but i'm not _that_ strict and low carb --- i'd put keto at like 5% while i'm a bit above that. also not religious with it so not sure how much ketosis is actually happening

[upbeat flax]

I can’t seem to find cronometer

[molten sky]

it could be measured but idc too much --- i just know it helps for my energy mid fast

which i guess means ketosis but whatever

[exotic vector]

im watching a video on when gamers turn into 5-star voice actors and its so funny.

[rapid merlin]

is that a YouTube video? would love to see it

[molten sky]

and i don't obsess over it too much tbh --- i had pasta with a good meat sauce yesterday, and just supplemented it with whey to hit my protein goal

[exotic vector]

it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT01W3r2O20

[molten sky]

i'd rather have some variety and not hate doing it after 6 months ya know what i mean

[upbeat flax]

Those pills for muscle gain like myodrol ?

[molten sky]

had some home-made taco bowls the other day before that

[sick lance]

Day 2 of fixing kali

[molten sky]

(a lot of ground beef and turkey in my stuff tbh)

[upbeat flax]

Yeah i think i should change my split too

[molten sky]

bad scrubz -- this is a diet and fitness server not a hacking server

[exotic vector]

I still dont know what you did to it lol

[rapid merlin]

what is going on with kali? is it broken? rolling release related?

[sick lance]

Oh, fitness.

What's your 5k?

[sick lance]

Oh I fixed that, I forgot to enable a setting.

[upbeat flax]

Haha !

[molten sky]

btw don't overdo the whey either

you can actually have too much protein

[upbeat flax]

What was wrong with kali

[exotic vector]

I was gonna say "I hope it died in a cool way, and not in a fae way" but sounds like it died in a fae way lol

[sick lance]

Nah, I created a new one and I'm moving all my stuff to the new one.

[molten sky]

different kind of fitness. running sucks

[rapid merlin]

ah!

[upbeat flax]

Just one scoop post workout

[molten sky]

(i actually enjoy running sometimes but i'm in a no-cardio phase rn)

[sick lance]

Pah.

You're just slow.

[molten sky]

oh yeah no my times have always been pretty average for runners, nothing to write home about

even when i ran

[rapid merlin]

@sick lance I run OpenBSD and build everything from source so know some rolling release pain 😄

[molten sky]

today, after not running, i'd just die on the side of the road probably

[upbeat flax]

Is cardio necessary? How much ?

[molten sky]

that's probably fine tbh ---- some people go for the ""all the protein no matter what!!!"" method and that can in theory be a bit subpar

too much protein == protein now burned for energy rather than fats and carbs only == more liabile to consume muscle for fuel when needed than fat

[rapid merlin]

rolling release can really help developers though

not to mention community involvement

[exotic vector]

I had to switch to windows because linux was suddenly being unstable after a kernel update :(

[rapid merlin]

@exotic vector that is great experience you gained, knowing use case

[upbeat flax]

The body can use protein for energy ? Maybe if the protein intake is more that the carbs ?

[molten sky]

cardio is necessary for _cardio_vascular health, but it's not something I do all the time --- if i'm in a heavy build stage I don't do it at all, and if i'm in a cut, I don't do it normally either --- I have phases where I do a ton of cardio and then just stop for a while (but that's just me and my whack ass setup)
ultimately too much cardio can take away from muscle development and if you are doing cardio then it's placement before, after, or at a whole 'nother time in or after your routine can affect it as well

[upbeat flax]

So muscles shrink ? From too much protein and too much volume ?

[rapid merlin]

@exotic vector when I shifted to macOS dev there was a feeling of sell out because I was choosing something easy use case

[exotic vector]

I now just use linux as vms.
computer is stable, just wish I was on linux still lol

im still trying to do things the linux way, like I was making an ini file on windows. And did you know you cant make a text file, name it then add the code because windows is like "hmmm....thats actually a text file :3" but on linux I can be like "file.ini ...open insert code" and linux is like "yep thats an ini file"

[rapid merlin]

I loved hearing what people said earlier today "you use what works best for you" 🙂

[upbeat flax]

-b

[molten sky]

carbs, proteins, and fats are the three major forms calories come in --- most people burn carbs first, but as with keto where you make your body burn fats first instead, you can get into a state where your body burns excess proteins first instead
it's not an issue if you're always in excess, but if you somehow manage to get your body in that weird state and go on a cut, now your body is going to continue using that fuel it's been using for the last 2 months, which is all the excess protein you're no longer eating

( not a dietitian, nutritionist, food scientist, knowanythingist, do your own research, etc )

[upbeat flax]

This is actually scary, cutting seems complicated while the bulk i’m on is literally all you can eat at this point and trying not to be hungry at all

[upbeat flax]

Okay but thanks for the information anyway

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @molten sky (current: #61 - 134)

[molten sky]

unlikely if you're being a normal person
1 scoop a day with a normal diet isn't gonna get anywhere near that
more like if 80% of your kcal was from proteins and the other 20% from carbs and fats or something crazy

tldr; moderation & not being dumb

[rapid merlin]

I don't know any of this subject matter, yet love hearing people who know 👍

[molten sky]

if your weight calls for 90-140g of protein/day, no reason to start having 240

[rapid merlin]

@molten sky so I do multiple job roles, it is interesting as one is mental health and addictions, and gym is a healthy coping for some

[molten sky]

anyways before I head out
tldr of it all;
take a week off or a solid deload week. refresh.
have a not shit diet with a suitable surplus (not so much that you turn into gorlock)
change routine if necessary
life heavy things and put them down while yelling lightweight

[upbeat flax]

So to maximize, we eat more calories as carbs when gaining right ?

[molten sky]

gym >

[rapid merlin]

right?

I hear that as super healthy coping

[upbeat flax]

Thanks for the summary

[stark nest]

My kali boots up when it wants to boot up any one knows whats up I reinstalled it many time but at some point I face this issue

[sick lance]

Which hypervisor are you using?

[upbeat flax]

LIGHTWEIGHT!!!

[stark nest]

Its my main os

[molten sky]

carbs in my experience are the better energy source, so yeah a good carb base like from that rice (don't never have fats tho fats are good)

[sick lance]

My condolences.

[molten sky]

i have a rice crispy treat or two before/during leg day normally as well cause carbs good

we like carbs

either that or some salted honey toast

[glass nest]

Or a family sized strawberry trifle

[molten sky]

https://tenor.com/view/light-weight-gif-21674454

[upbeat flax]

So sugar is fine when gaining

[molten sky]

if someone tells you sugar is the devil and you need to avoid it then you should come back and slap them with a trout (or your choice of locally available seafood)

[glass nest]

Just throwing this out there... is a cybersec community the best place to get info on this sort of thing?

[molten sky]

on lifting?

absolutely not

y'all weak

[upbeat flax]

I will find a fish

[sick lance]

Speak for yourself. 😄

[rapid merlin]

weak is a perspective imo

[upbeat flax]

No but it came up so…

[little siren]

https://tenor.com/view/werewolf-gif-12077949921659548506

How productivity felt saying that

[glass nest]

fair fair

[exotic vector]

yeah honestly the conversation came up

[rapid merlin]

I'm weak to cool wolf art

[molten sky]

but yeah sugar is fine just don't go eating a tray full of oreos every night thinking that you'll be the next eddie hall

sugar is a source of carb at the end of the day

[upbeat flax]

I think i know what i need to do now i know the righteous path

[molten sky]

howl xd

[little siren]

Oreos keeping u big as hell

[glass nest]

Thats the long and short of it. I mean, we kinda know what's good for us and what's bad. Macros and all that jazz are only really relevant once you are already far down the road of sculpting/gaining or whatever.

[rapid merlin]

@exotic vector what can you share about building a home lab?

[little siren]

Keeping a diary of what u eat its the middleground, it helps eat responsibly

[rapid merlin]

I currently have Charlie Brown Christmas Tree home lab 😄

[narrow bone]

Well he has 2 tanks in his driveway

[glass nest]

I mean.. yeah, if you have goals you want to hit. But the reality is simple.

[molten sky]

macros are important if you're serious about it, micros are what can be generally ignored, BUT it can be a source of extremely valuable information to some
like why the fuck am i so xyz this week? ah cool my zinc to copper is all outa whack

[glass nest]

Exactly.

[molten sky]

micros are more diagnostic imo while macros are more forward

[glass nest]

Even then, I don't know anything about that stuff, but If I want to make a relatively healthy meal, it's not rocket science.

[molten sky]

yeah unless you have a specific goal in mind, trying to figure something out, no reason to overcomplicate it

[upbeat flax]

Get a few computers in a room, one or two server cpus connected to em, put all the computers in the room on a private ip and you got yourself a home lab

[exotic vector]

I did build mine on my main computer out of VMs

[molten sky]

i peak at my micros once in a while outa curiousity but i only ever look at them when tryna see if something specific is weird

[rapid merlin]

oh VMs that's a good approach

[glass nest]

Productivity - It's like those folk who start gymming, and then instantly go on the protein shakes. for the most part, they're pointless until you get to a certain point.

the average everyday joe would just pee most of that protein out

[upbeat flax]

It’s Raymond Kenny

[molten sky]

situational but i largely agree

[glass nest]

I am talking about the 90% though

[molten sky]

sometimes you need that supplement to well, supplement things --- but a lot of people as long as their diet isn't pizza rolls 24x7 are probably fine

[upbeat flax]

Well atleast immediately after a workout it might absorb most of it

[exotic vector]

I then had a series of VMs with their own configurations, so depending on what I want to do I just spool up those VMs. I do have to keep the amount open down because even though the software sees 12 cores, I only have 6 full cores but each with 2 threads. So I cant scale it up at the moment to practice AD stuff.

[molten sky]

THAT BEING SAID, they can still come in below their ideal range for building and it will be slower, but that's also assuming they're working as hard as they need to be and as frequently as they need to be to hit that ideal range, which most brand new people sure the fuck aren't doing

(tldr; still agree)

[glass nest]

Darksurgeon - productivities answer basically covers that 😄

[rapid merlin]

@exotic vector so some pros/cons, makes sense to me

[upbeat flax]

I feel sick if i try to dirty bulk i feel pukish in the gym on a burger pre workout

[exotic vector]

definitely.
But for where I am rn its good enough, because if im practicing attacking techniques the VMs im targeting will be given the least amount of resources possible.

[molten sky]

don't gotta dirty bulk 🤷‍♂️

clean bulk all the way

[glass nest]

On the other side, nothing wrong with a nice burger 😄

[rapid merlin]

you really make it work for you, that's awesome

[molten sky]

dirty bulk WILL build faster, but when you average it out with the cut where you build slower, you're building at literally the same rate as the guy who clean bulks it straight through and doesn't need to cut

[upbeat flax]

But i want to be bigger faster and i am very tired of being a skinny …..

[glass nest]

It's not gonna happen fast though. No silver bullet.

[upbeat flax]

I will remember this

[molten sky]

then you'll also have a period of cutting where you'll build slow af or barely at all until you're back down to your target BF%

[molten sky]

(@ this)

[glass nest]

In this context 'fast' is using months

[molten sky]

^

[exotic vector]

I do, its how I learn about things :)
I tinkered a lot to get it working, I do need to remake it though.

[upbeat flax]

Time is plenty

[molten sky]

8 months into the gym? welcome to the body dysmorphia stage!

[glass nest]

You won't be Arnie by Valentines day, for example

[upbeat flax]

I see where i am 🥹

[upbeat flax]

Nahh i prefer to scare em off with intimidation

[rapid merlin]

yes, our constant desire for improvement, love that 😉

[glass nest]

hehe, I prefer to avoid situations where intimidation is neccessary

[molten sky]

i agree, just skip that stage and go onto the attack

[exotic vector]

I do want to find if its possible to host offline website setups on a vm so I can practice webapp stuff. I havent looked into yet, its an idea that just popped into my head lol

[rapid merlin]

hosting community wifi file hosting can be an interesting goal

[molten sky]

but yeah @upbeat flax watch tf outa RP he's got some really good and insightful content and aside from the random joke to keep it ineresting is very straight to the point normally

a lot of good info there

i'm out for real this time y'all you kept me for another hour god damnit

o7

[exotic vector]

its a big project, something that I may look into at somepoint.

[upbeat flax]

I will

[rapid merlin]

ikr, it peeked my interest as well 🙂

[exotic vector]

one day I'll look into it, then let you know.

[sick lance]

I hate how Kali ships with 2023 Ghidra.

[lament tendon]

It does?

I always have to install it manually.
Maybe I should get a new ISO sometime. xD

[sick lance]

The latest Kali doesn't ship the latest Ghidra.

[lament tendon]

Nov 2024?

[sick lance]

Yeah, the Ghidra kali ships with is 2023.

[lament tendon]

Hmm. Maybe this version wasn‘t out yet during the last release? 🤔

Apart from that it is definitely a little silly.

[sick lance]

Kali was last updated 3 days ago.

[shell peak]

Real

[lament tendon]

But that‘s not the latest Kali in this case, right?

[exotic vector]

Kali updates pretty frequently, no idea why they havent put the 2024 version of ghidra

[shell peak]

If ghidra did a better job about their shitty decompiler it wouldve been a much better tool

[sick lance]

Yeah?

[shell peak]

But ig if u understand assembly good enough u dont need it

[exotic vector]

that reminds me I got to update kali

[sick lance]

Ghidra > Ida.

[half girder]

better download the latest iso too, 50:50 you gotta do a new install anyways 😉

[shell peak]

Ghidra > Ida Freeware

[sick lance]

Nah, I prefer Ghidra over Ida Pro.

[lament tendon]

Yea. I‘m just saying that with the release of the latest Kali, the current Ghidra version might not have been out yet. But since I don‘t know the version history of either, that is only an assumption as to why Ghidra isn‘t up to date there.

That‘s pretty much the entire thing I tried saying.

[sick lance]

Ghidra has had over 6 updates in 2024.

[shell peak]

Damn

[lament tendon]

Well, then my assumption is wrong.

[shell peak]

Im using same compiled source from 2022

[pliant cairn]

a person of culture i see

[sick lance]

Anyway.

Native darkmode for THM tomorrow.

🥳

[void tangle]

Tomorrow my eyes will no longer burn

[half girder]

does darkmode fix the other bugs?

[glass nest]

Yes. After using dark mode, I no longer have restless leg

[queen flare]

yo

[sick lance]

Like what?

[half girder]

the old notification bug, running machines not properly displayed, ..

then we also have the streak bug which doesnt properly show the badge even though a streak was reached

[naive violet]

@remote swallow Hey, that's not overly appropriate for this environment

[glass nest]

Ok. I'm heading into town. On the sunday before xmas. If I don't return, i bequeath my raspberry pi collection to James.

[remote swallow]

ooooo kkk

Noted

[naive violet]

I have sooooo many

Good luck though

[glass nest]

Haha, fair fair

[cedar talon]

He guys, does anyone know if tryhackme has a darkmode option?

[nocturne sinew]

play with your eyes closed.

[little siren]

its coming soon on an update

I heard some ppl use an extension to get dark mode

[cedar talon]

yeah im using darkreader right now, but some text gets lost

but thanks for the info

[sick lance]

Tomorrow.

[languid pecan]

Use an extension for now. Dark Reader should work just fine.

[sick lance]

I dunno, IMO Dark Reader is not as nice to look at, as natively supported dark mode for web apps

[languid pecan]

Last I remember using it, it was really good. Displayed sites in Amoled Black and offers text-color changing

I used it for Tryhackme mostly

[mystic cloak]

is there any good reverse engineering rooms in tryhackme? Challenges preferably.

[sick lance]

Yeah, there is a few.

[rapid merlin]

Is it actually 😯

[half badge]

What manga is your pfp from

[rapid merlin]

[half badge]

Hey guys. Is there a place I can see how the various levels in thm go? Like HACKER and all

I'm sorry it's a dumb question

[small badge]

hover your mouse over the level itself

[sharp citrus]

Points Explained

Article Link

https://help.tryhackme.com/en/articles/6563910-points-explained

Dec 22, 2024, 12:18 PM

[half badge]

TY

[sick lance]

@cold sparrow ^

[half badge]

Oh wait

I think what I mean is a discord server thingy

[sick lance]

Wdym?

[shell peak]

Yeah i was searching for those too but majority of them are for beginners

[azure hill]

What day does AoC end?

[pine stratus]

24 i think

[azure hill]

Cool cool

[sick lance]

Questionaire on the 25th

[keen hare]

Did anybody here take part in a real bug bounty program?

[sick lance]

Please don't post the same question over multiple channels.

The better channel for this is probably #bug-bounty

[keen hare]

sorry

[sick lance]

It's ok. 😄

When I first started using Discord I thought all channels had different users, I grew up with the mIRC and 90's/00's chat rooms.

[void tangle]

😄

[sick lance]

Nice addition.

[silver sky]

IRC brings me back

Also Sunday shopping just before Christmas is not the one

[rapid merlin]

is metasploit question allowed here?

[silver sky]

Well is it in relation to a tryhackme room or in general?

[rapid merlin]

kinda

[silver sky]

Well it'll be either or 😂

Can't be kinda

[rapid merlin]

yeah

whahaha

but nvm

yeah

[silver sky]

Yeah

[rapid merlin]

hi guys

[silver sky]

Hello

I saw a wild @lone thistle typing

Well given system32 contains critical files, the system won't allow you do so. Even if it does, your operating system will not boot up

[lone thistle]

lurking and accidentally hit the spacebar

[silver sky]

Easily done

[sick lance]

👀

[rapid merlin]

yk anything abt metasploit? @silver sky

[silver sky]

Yes

[rapid merlin]

can i ask about a litttlee little bit of problem

[sick lance]

What is your problem, and what are you doing?

[willow lintel]

Okay Fellas! From Mint Faye to Fedora 41! World seems kind of futuristic in here! Thanks for the advice @rapid merlin this turned out amazing!

[twin ridge]

Gave +1 Rep to @weary nexus (current: #1003 - 4)

[shell nova]

fedora is a good distro

[shell peak]

Meh

[rapid merlin]

Good luck on your journey, keep exploring. 🙂

[knotty cargo]

wait fedora has gnome ?

Dang

I need it

Is there anyway to switch distro and keep user data untouched ?

[willow lintel]

chose this one as primary workstation

[slow snow]

Hi

[willow lintel]

i think it should be possible with the timeshift, or similar kind of tool

[cloud quiver]

Welcome 😄

[willow lintel]

@cloud quiver @worn thorn @exotic vector these guys are master

[silver sky]

[boreal scarab]

Morning

[silver sky]

Afternoon

[mellow gull]

Mornin'

[boreal scarab]

It's morning

[silver sky]

No it's afternoon

[mellow gull]

No it's Patrick.

[wooden totem]

Bound by the sun

Or rotation of the Earth shall we say