#critical-role-spoilers

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polar falcon
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yeah basically that, in the cooldown they said it was ||the equivalent of buying a corvette and going on a bro road trip with all your fellow divorced pals||

dire pewter
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He ||true polymorphed himself into a centaur apparently||

polar falcon
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yep

broken brook
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They are on twitch now

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I follow them for the game

knotty hill
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||I guess they didn't want to double up on Vestiges? ||

reef granite
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i honestly really like the idea of vestiges of divergence, it makes the campaigns feel more rewarding

knotty hill
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Now that's a big map

paper dawn
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Anything of note happen?

knotty hill
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Just a bit action episode. Liam joined in as Lieve’tel

polar falcon
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got a small in-cannon verin theyless cameo too which was fun

high radish
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Question: How come Vax couldn't remove the Deathwalker's Ward in S2E5 of TLOVM, but we see he not wearing it several times (S3E6 & S3E8)? Is this an inconsistency or just the Matron changing her mind in letting Vax change clothes?

polar falcon
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i think it was something about him actually accepting being her champion or working for her or something? but pretty unclear

pure ginkgo
trail vapor
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it just clashed with the rest of his outfit so bad she let him have his previous hobo clothes

robust zealot
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...What an episode....

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Scanlan somehow just cracked the multiverse (albeit very briefly) in the effort to save the world... LOL. That's definitely Scanlan for you.

knotty hill
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Yea, this beast be rough

knotty hill
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Hurray, Vax lives again

trim copper
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Anyone else notice the der katzenprince easter egg during “circle the world”

solar summit
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I'm going through campaign 2 for the first time and oh. my. god. episode 45 was a delight!! The guest was amazing, the fight got me on my tiptoes I was SCARED. That was a 5 stars on letterboxd

knotty hill
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Veth out here reminding me why I wish nothing but bad things happening to her….

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Yes, electrocute your friends in a stupid competition while your entire world literally is in the balance

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Hope her husband leaves her and her son despises her forever.

paper dawn
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Dang Dyno

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I’m out of the loop as to what happened but that’s a bit harsh

knotty hill
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She’d never been my favorite person, and her zapping Beau while they’re scaling the wall on the move towards their goal on the moon…. Time and place ma’am

paper dawn
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I blame that sort of behavior more on Sam than the characters he plays

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He is simultaneously a phenomenal role player and mischief incarnate who will make as many moments as he ruins

knotty hill
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Nah. Scanlan, FCG, and the even our new Minotaur haven’t ever really been so reckless.

tight pine
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I love the OG players coming back, just reminds me of how much I liked C1. Havent enjoyed he most recent campaign anywhere near as much.

willow ferry
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Same.

polar falcon
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...ironic watching them try to remember the 'beacon of hope' spell on Beacon

lament elbow
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whether they are voice acting or playing another adventure, they are a joy to watch

knotty hill
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Love me some time stop shenanigans

polar falcon
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sooo much better at it than trent

lament elbow
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Finished rewatching episode 2 where Grog killed Brimscythe, aka General Krieg

quaint lava
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Am I the only one who finds that some of Matt Mercer's names for locations or NPCs are overwhelming and many times unnecessary to learn since they play a minimal role? There are so many villages or locations that have never been explored with really different names and I just don't see what was the point of doing that.

last flicker
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some people like that stuff for making the world feel more alive and lived in

ruby quiver
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Also honestly it's not that unusual a thing to do

last flicker
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like lot of details isnt necessary for every game but i think for matt players the world building at details he puts into is what appeals to some people that enjoy crit role

rancid patrol
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What's the relation between Legend of Vox Machina and CR plot?
I know that the show covers the Briarwood and Chroma Conclave arc.
But the first episode starts before the team saved Uriel, but, somehow, Pike fashions the post-resurrection look.

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And maybe I'm not that familiar with Pre-Stream plot that wasnt' covered in Origins comics.

ruby quiver
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TLoVM is an adaptation of the stream plot/world

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A lot of it is very similar, but with differences for story and pacing and the like

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So if you've watched the stream there will be a lot you recognize, but there will be notable differences

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Most everything that happened pre (and early) stream is changed pretty heavily

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Slayers take,Hotus, VMs relationship with the King, a number of backstory elements for a few of the characters, etc

rancid patrol
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Yeah, it's weird that they're treated as bums in S01E01, when they already saved Westruun from white dragon.
And they went from Brimscythe to Briarwoods directly. At least that means that there isn't a whiff of Draconia.

rancid patrol
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Noo. They did Vex so dirty... She was so badass with two crits in a row when she saw Briarwoods nearly kill Vax.

ruby quiver
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Like I said, a lot of that was changed

rancid patrol
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Yeah, A LOT. In CR, Cassandra was shot down with three arrows, but in the show - only with two!

rancid patrol
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But yeah, it's not that fair to nitpick a show, where 12 episodes of one season have a runtime of one episode of the 40 episode long arc.

ruby quiver
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Wouldn't really call it a fair nitpick either tbh

From the start they always said it was going to be an adaptation with some changes

rancid patrol
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To be fair, I only watched 28 episodes of CR so far, read the origin comics and know some small info about coming story arcs, so I'm just noticing some differences here and there. Like, I get it that starting the show might be weird, when the group on the same point as CR, when their keep is already thriving and has multiple workers, Uriel and council holds them to MUCH higher regard, when they already have a ton of magic items, some of which are really powerful, like a belt that let's a goliath grow a majestic beard (if he rolls well), when Keyleth is more confident (especially after completeing 2/3ds of her aramente).

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But then again, when they were planning the attack on Briarwoods, no one got a half chub.

knotty hill
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Overall, TLOVM follows the general beats of the show, while adjusting for it to be an actual narrative here, rather than just a bunch of nerds sitting around.

bronze widget
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F.R.I.D.A still doesnt know

willow ferry
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Doesn't know what?

vagrant kindle
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this the place to talk about Vox Machina? :3

dreamy lily
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Given previous conversations here, I think you're in the right spot!

vagrant kindle
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🤩 Ok, just binged all of season 1 tonight, started season 2 and oh my god i love the Chroma Enclave

dark spoke
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Conclave, but yeah their introduction is super badass

spice flax
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Yeah the animated series was so good

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Man I'm jonesen for the next episode of season 3

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Such a cliffhanger

vagrant kindle
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Question, is the Satyr/Fey who accompanied Vex and the others the Traveller? He kinda gave me Jester vibes (or, more accurately, she gives me his vibes)

low socket
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Yes it’s arty

vagrant kindle
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Arty? Not familiar with the Traveller's actual name

low socket
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Artygan

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I’ve prob butchered the spelling

vagrant kindle
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ah ic

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The drawings reminded me of Jester too much lmao

wise lily
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Oh, I have just noticed the connection.

worn violet
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Yeah he was introduced in C1 and was sort of a fan/cast favorite NPC so Laura made him Jester’s god

low socket
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Fun fact laura originally wanted to be an archfey warlock for jester

worn violet
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Which would’ve made more sense imo, but Mercer’s since designed lesser gods who serve as cleric gods or warlock patrons anyways so it works

vagrant kindle
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do you think we'll see Joe maginello as Arkhan?

knotty hill
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No

worn violet
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Pretty sure Arkhan is a WOTC IP now, so I wouldn't count on it

vagrant kindle
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Ah, right, his appearance on Avernus... aw c'mon

trim copper
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Joe might voice a character or two. But most likely wont be arkhan

worn violet
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He's also incredibly busy and (last I heard) has his own personal D&D projects in the works

vagrant kindle
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Righty-O. Cant wait for the next episode, just finished season 3

copper minnow
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They might rename him and change some details so they can use him. If there is way, his exit from the campaign is too iconic to not try to fit it in

dark spoke
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His participation in the campaign was also very Vecna-themed, and they're avoiding making the Whispered One into Vecna.

eternal cape
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Who else feels like Percy should be part warlock

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He literally struck a bargain with a demon

copper minnow
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I think he had the magic initiate feat for warlock?

worn violet
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Correct. He never took any levels in warlock, but he took the warlock Magic Initiate feat to emulate a touch of warlockiness.

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This was before the Eldritch Adept feat existed, but it's one of those feats that were designed to not really have to multiclass if you didn't want to.

eternal cape
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I thought magic initiate only had druid, cleric, and wizard

dark spoke
lavish bloom
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Hello critical role fans. I had started campaign 2 sometimes 2-3 years back and dropped somewhere where they were trying raise a rebel force? I don't remember much of the story. Is there a comprehensive no fluff thing i can watch to quickly catch upto where i was. Just want to see the key story moments.

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Please ping me. I don't use discord often

vagrant kindle
lavish bloom
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Oh wait I am talking about the podcast

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The actual play

vagrant kindle
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campaign two is the mighty nein right? I have no idea then

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also geez, did they start another one

lavish bloom
vagrant kindle
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oh i meant did they start another revolution lmao

lavish bloom
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Oh lol

trim copper
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each ep is like 5 min long and covers a handful of episodes at a time

wise lily
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Yeah, that video playlist is great for catching up the whole M9 campaign.

lavish bloom
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Not critical role related. But do you guys know any good games run by Matt collville?

ruby quiver
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gotta be honest, I don't understand why you chose this channel (what with the question not having to do with it at all) rather than #dnd-discussion (where you are likely to get a lot more answers)

lavish bloom
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Hmm since it's related to similar interests? Alright I will ask there

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It's weird though that we have channel dedicated for critical role only but you have to go to the general discussion channel if you want to discuss shows that are very similar to critical role.

copper minnow
indigo hare
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In C3, does Talesin ever get to play as Percy again, I think I saw somewhere where the cast played it's old characters again

low socket
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Yes he does it was one of the more recent episodes

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They were playing as 3 characters each in one episode a few before this

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Mostly just RP though

spice flax
eternal cape
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Who's y'all's favorite character from Vox Machina

vagrant kindle
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A tie between Grog, Pike, and Kiki

eternal cape
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Interesting

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Mine is either Kiki or Percy

lament elbow
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wonder if I can draw Grog interacting with Draxiros

wise lily
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I love Vax , Percy, Grog

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Scanlan (Sam) ’s impromptu singing on the real tabletop during gameplays is my favorite part too.

pure ginkgo
solar summit
vagrant kindle
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Isnt Grog Travis' character

flint jolt
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Mine is kiki, vax or pike

paper dawn
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In campaign order,
Grog
Jester
Laudna

knotty hill
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Percy, Kiki, and Grog were my favorites in C1. Percy and Keyleth especially.

vagrant kindle
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Kiki is adorable

knotty hill
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She caught way too much grief from the viewers. She is also the most powerful, managing to win all the battle royales lol

vagrant kindle
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Druids are sleeper agents when it comes to casters.

knotty hill
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Especially the 2014 moon druids.

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Lvl 20, become immortal

vagrant kindle
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oh god, yeah, she would ahve been terrifying pulling up as elementals and CR 6 beasts

dark spoke
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Keyleth in Legends is a lot better. She was kinda insufferable in the actual play, ngl.

ruby quiver
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meanwhile i kinda feel the opposite haha

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at least for the first "half" of each

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(shes pretty even in the second halves of both for me)

dark spoke
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And I'm fairly sure she didn't win the others besides the level 20 one, obvs.

paper dawn
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Taryon won by hiding while everyone else killed each other

plush anchor
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Ohhh nvm

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Misunderstood

wise lily
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I’ve watch the 3rd campaign ep 36 when Bell Hells met some Vox Machina characters. I really love Vex, Percy as rulers of Whitestone while Keyleth is the perfect voice of tempest. Bell Hells were in awe.

knotty hill
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Ludinus is RIP. Thanks Orym

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And here we are, back to the returning question of "Should we do something?" lol Big bad is dead, and everyone but Orym and Braius want to go forward towards Predathos's prison

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Do WHAT about Predathos, Imogen? Either you pop the cage or your don't.

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Cave in the entire network, and blow up all the pathways to the moon. Go home and live out full lives before anyone ever gets this close again to popping this bubble

knotty hill
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Oh neat. Predathos is a sleepy kid...

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No Imogen, we don't want to help you. You just learned that this thing doesn't feed specifically on the Gods. It's just hungry and consumed what it found.

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Tiny child, time for nap nap again

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DO NOT FREE GALACTUS PLEASE

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Mr. Doomseed, nows the time to wipe the party please. Everyone's exhausted.

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IT JUST TURNED CHETNEY INTO A WALL ORNAMENT, WHY AREN'T YOU RUNNING?

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And now Imogen has become the embodiment of Predathos. Next week’s gonna be fun. Everyone’s half dead, and now the endless hunger has legs.

keen flower
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ngl glad I watched tonights episode, it was so good! I haven't consistently been watching, but what a damn twist XD

knotty hill
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If they manage to lock up the black hole maw again, Orym’s gonna need some of that Sandkehg’s hide

paper dawn
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😐

solar summit
dark spoke
eternal cape
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Is it true that Orym died

pure ginkgo
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only inside

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I mean in their first fight against otohan

knotty hill
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Dude's gonna be so pissed if he survives this next fight lol

cinder sun
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This is the only channel with critical roll, so im here. I want to watch season 3 because i heard there was a player who has a similar play style to mine and i want to learn from them, but i havent watched the first 2 seasons. Are they important to understand the story?

unborn spire
dreamy lily
worn violet
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Yeah, it’s helluvan investment. There are things like Critical Recap and the CR Wiki for getting that information.

eternal cape
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I can't believe Percy dies

knotty hill
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Watch them all as basically audiobooks lol. Background radiation of life for like a month to fully catch up.

knotty hill
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eternal cape
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Campaign 3 is the 2nd best one in my opinion

worn violet
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Campaign 3 has honestly been my least favorite of the bunch so far

worn violet
knotty hill
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Yea....And then we never had any ranger PCs ever again lol

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We got a 2 Bloodhunters before we got anymore rangers.

vagrant kindle
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Cant wait for the day a 00 appears

eternal cape
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I cried when Percy died

knotty hill
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The rez ritual for him was tense, especially knowing that Taliesin had set his own conditions for whether or not Percy would come back.

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I remember 1 of them being that if anyone present had tried to invoke the assistance of a God, it was an automatic no.

eternal cape
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oof

worn violet
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Yeah, Percy had a pretty thinly veiled disdain for the gods

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And by “thinly veiled”, I of course mean not veiled at all.

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Imagine disliking the gods so much that you’d rather stay dead than allow them to help bring you back

vagrant kindle
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I do remember his initial dislike for holy people in Vox Machina

eternal cape
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Ooh, I never knew that

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I only watched Vox Machina, didn't watch the actual sessions since they are soooo long and I don't like the dragonborn guy

knotty hill
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Definitely wasn’t a great fit.

eternal cape
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What wasn't? The guy?

eternal cape
knotty hill
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Yes. Tiberius.

trim copper
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He left after 26? Episodes. And his ego prevented him from ever having a chance of returning lol.

eternal cape
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Oof

copper minnow
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He was kicked out would be the more accurate description imo

worn violet
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Yeah, sounded like they booted him, but they never fully acknowledged it. I think he made an obscure post trying to defend himself, but I don’t think it took long for him to take it down.

soft locust
rancid patrol
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just finished episode 35 and with it - the most of the Briarwoods arc.
Question - what was the "intended" solution for the acid trap?

rancid patrol
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also resumed TLoVM
they perfectly captured the feeling of Pike Astral Skypejecting into the game.

eternal cape
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What happened to Tiberius anyways

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Why was he kicked out

low socket
worn violet
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Yeah he was kind of the epitome of a problem player. Disrespectful to other players to the point where he was running everybody else’s enjoyment.

vagrant kindle
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also a powergamer

copper minnow
trim copper
spice flax
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He defintly made the first few episodes of season 1 really hard to watch

worn violet
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Between him and the crap audio quality, it was definitely a rough start for me

low socket
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But early CR is still a great example of a home dnd table, no one knows the rules, paper hand drawn maps and problem player

wicked hearth
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I'll be odd one out. I mever watched Camp. 1, i'm only caught by it from the Animated series. I started on C2, and caught up on C3. I am also rewatching C2 just for the hell of it.

vagrant kindle
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ive only watched Vox Machina

rancid patrol
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Watching Critical Role and it really changed my expectations about DnD.

It really lowered it, in a good way.

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Like, it's fine to have a serious campaign, but have a gnome bard shitting all over enemies' beds, have people forget some basic stuff like how to attack with melee weapon or how some of spells work.

nocturne crater
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Vox Machina season 3 is so fire!

nocturne crater
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I am so sad. I was watching vox machina season 3 right. Percy died! Riley shot him after he gave her mercy! I'm soooo sad and mad right now! ; -; They killed my favorite character!

pure ginkgo
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well time for a new favorite!

copper minnow
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they didnt call him No Mercy Percy for nothing. Should have stayed on that path 🤣

soft locust
pure ginkgo
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be sure to get attached to them!

soft locust
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yeah be sure!

nocturne crater
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I just finshed Season 3 and omg so much happened!

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Like is Vax is dead now- he is becoming sick! Will they do a season 4?! And the ending?! Oh my GOD WAS that a lich?!

trim copper
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I am curious as to how might nein show is coming along

nocturne crater
high radish
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"If you've played enough D&D, you'd probably recognize the Lich from the very ending, or at least their name in the show: "The Whispered One."

copper minnow
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Season 4 probably fall next year.

This year we will get the first season of the mighty nein show

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It’s unclear if S4 will be the final season. They could feasibly do a lot of cuts to get everything into one more but I think the story would suffer. So I hope for two more seasons

wise lily
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I wonder if the campaign 4 will come late since the Critical Role might want to launch new Daggerheart contents as priority.

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Hope that it’s just only my speculation.

frail apex
paper dawn
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Someone ping me if predathogen eats any gods/exandria

wise lily
frail apex
frail apex
wise lily
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It is the system that give more experience for roleplay. There's hope and fear dice for each action of our character.

frail apex
paper dawn
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Like the ones that were only recorded on those secret church documents? Neat

frail apex
frail apex
paper dawn
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Wait is this a memory or is the god alive in Praedathos’s stomach

wise lily
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I'm watching live at the moment. I hope the party recover Imogen.

frail apex
frail apex
paper dawn
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👁️ 👁️

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Sarlac pit lol

frail apex
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Lmao. That a no on the name of one of the gods?

paper dawn
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I don’t really care either way, up to you

frail apex
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Vordo the golden weaver

paper dawn
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My main concern is if the other gods get nommed or if exandria is destroyed

frail apex
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Fair.

wise lily
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Yeah, the party are rolling the dice for their lives now at the moment. lol

frail apex
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I hope exandria isn't cause then we get a new world or perhaps he comes up with a narrative where exandria is still living in some for and things get set back to the Stone age kind of thing lol

frail apex
wise lily
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Yeah, that would be too sad for me to lose beautiful Exandria.

frail apex
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Right! So many more possibilities for exploring of the continents and new characters. I really wanna see Travis play a wizard or sorcerer or even a cleric again. Pretty much any magic user

wise lily
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Maybe cleric with Chetney's personality would be nice, haha.

vagrant kindle
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cant wait for the 00

frail apex
frail apex
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IMOGEN JUST ATE THE ESSENCE OF VORDO

wise lily
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Finally debuff the boss.

frail apex
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FREAKING BRAIUS!!!🤬

frail apex
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Ooo I hope he gets his

wise lily
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Laudna is pulling all the stops.

frail apex
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Oh yea

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Come on please let Imogen get control and chase the gods away

knotty hill
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And then what? All of exandria will suffer when they're gone.

willow ferry
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What's the long story short on tonight's episode?

frail apex
vagrant kindle
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It wasnt a great time before then either

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it was elemental chaos iirc

knotty hill
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Yes, and it was absolutely awful, as has been consistently described. Those things being crushed and demolished by the Titans in the old world. Even when Ashton went and asked the Titans themselves what would happen, they said that many people would die and perish, leaving only the strongest to persist.

willow ferry
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I feel like the Bells Hells characters were the wrong ones for this campaign.

frail apex
knotty hill
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It's why the Gods went to war with the Titans and gave magic to everyone on exandria. So that they wouldn't get smashed up anymore.

vagrant kindle
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Theres also a lot of people who are reliant on the gods

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Faith isnt so easily shoved away

frail apex
vagrant kindle
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And the time before that was hell

willow ferry
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Is tonight's episode that bad?

frail apex
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With no titans "causing" the elemental choas it's possible things can remain unchanged besides their being no clerics

knotty hill
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Or they just die. Because there is no medicine on exandria. Much of the exandrian societies rely on the gods for their magic and day to day existence.

vagrant kindle
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I think youre underestimating the hold the gods have on mortal lives

frail apex
knotty hill
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So, cause a 2nd apocalypse for everyone so they learn?

frail apex
vagrant kindle
knotty hill
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knotty hill
vagrant kindle
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The clerics got their magic from their faith in the gods, not sure how druids get it in Exandria, but i would assume theres some spirits and nautre gods behind it

frail apex
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vagrant kindle
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Well, im gonna go down a research rabit hole to verify

frail apex
knotty hill
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Hope nobody dies after they chase off the people responsible for bringing people back.

frail apex
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vagrant kindle
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Also, whose gonna deal with Death after the Raven Queen

paper dawn
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There has definitely been a certain antitheist sentiment as a core theme of this campaign that largely turned me off of it

frail apex
paper dawn
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Caduceus was one of my favorite C2 characters largely due to his faith and the way it shaped his relationships with the other members of the M9

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This whole party and the whole campaign feels like the direct opposite

knotty hill
# frail apex That we've seen

I mean that it is a demonstrable aspect of Exandria in Critical Role. Every Divine spell in the entire setting comes from the Gods directly. Every Cleric and Paladin spell in existence there is drawn from the Gods themselves, and transmitted to the caster.

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Clerics and Paladins will be done if the Gods leave. So it's down to the Wizards, Warlocks, Sorcerers, Druids, and Rangers.

willow ferry
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And Bards and Artificers.

knotty hill
frail apex
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That's were the classifications of spells get wonky. Cause cure wounds is available to artificers and they don't get their power from gods

paper dawn
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I just don’t like how this campaign has painted faith as being at best foolish or at worst actively bad, just because the Gods are flawed individuals

frail apex
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Same to druids

frail apex
knotty hill
frail apex
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Guess I haven't seen that yet

knotty hill
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It's posted somewhere, I just don't have it on hand

paper dawn
frail apex
knotty hill
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But as is. How do the Hells dictate who is allowed to have such control over the world when they're in that exact situation? Their choices now will either maintain the status quo of existence, or blow it all up to hope people git gud and survive.

frail apex
knotty hill
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The Gods just are. They're fundamental to existence as a whole, and to the point above, they literally cannot just show up and smash things.

frail apex
knotty hill
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After the Calamity, in order to prevent exandria from the danger of their presence on the planet, they put up the Divine Gate.

frail apex
knotty hill
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The Gods literally cannot set foot on Exandria ever again.

paper dawn
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I’m not trying to say there’s a right or wrong answer here. I’m just saying the themes being focused on in C3 don’t jive with the way faith was depicted in C2, which personally I preferred, which in turn turned me off of C3. That’s all 🤷‍♂️

knotty hill
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No single god could ever drop the gate as well.

frail apex
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It just takes all of them and to save their butts. They will

knotty hill
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Because that's an existential threat to them all. If they die, then everything breaks.

frail apex
frail apex
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Some of the gods believe things will be fine with out them and the people can learn to Deal without them if the planet is okay

knotty hill
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They literally built everything on Exandria. Even the cycles of life and death there. 🤷 Every God has mountains of souls now present in their domain to manage.

knotty hill
frail apex
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Of sorts

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Kind like in ff7 where the planet just reabsorbed them

knotty hill
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Could they even still be recycled? After all, the Titans are gone now.

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Exandria was rendered static in effect.

frail apex
#

Never know until it's shown. Only Matt knows

knotty hill
#

Just seems like way too big a change to force on trillions of people without their input. This is the only world they've ever known.

willow ferry
#

What's going on in the stream right now?

frail apex
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True true. because we don't the exact numbers I think its fair to say about 50% would agree with hells and 50% wouldnt

knotty hill
#

ATM they're figuring out power ups for the party in the coming rematch with Predathos, because Imogen is trying to actually subdue it within her, by essentially ascending to godhood herself. Sort of

frail apex
knotty hill
#

It's a reworking of the rites of ascencion that the Matron used.

willow ferry
frail apex
frail apex
knotty hill
#

Though right now, there is 1 thing that will need to happen in order for the plan to scare off the Gods to work.... they need to actually kill one of the Gods really.

willow ferry
#

Fair enough. That would allow the Hells Bells to debate and ruminate.

frail apex
knotty hill
#

After all, why would the rest of the Gods run off if Imogen poses no real threat to them? Someone's gonna have to get eaten in order to sell the threat.

frail apex
knotty hill
#

If she contains predathos, that means it's weak enough to get shoved into another box again.

willow ferry
#

Wait, they're done debating and they're fighting Predathos, I think?

knotty hill
#

Yep, back to the action!

willow ferry
#

So they decided to have the gods stick around?

frail apex
frail apex
knotty hill
#

The current plan is to subdue predathos so that it doesn't just rip Imogen apart.

frail apex
#

Indeed

knotty hill
#

Like they're not even in a position to actually make a decision there. She's screwed if they don't tie it back down.

willow ferry
#

Oh, so they want the gods to be (temporary?) mortal so Predathos can't see them?

frail apex
#

Just personally as someone who is "against" God's and plays a wizard who is a "nonbeliever"/ doesn't care I think God's should go. By what "go" means exactly, im uncertain.

Whether that means they just seal themselves away even more where they have even less affect but still manages souls and such and clerics can still abilities or going away forever.

#

Well dang. Dorian just "finished" predathos

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2nd phase has started

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DANG IT!!!!! THEY ENDED IT THERE

knotty hill
#

boo

willow ferry
#

So what're everyone's thoughts on this campaign now we're close to the end?

frail apex
#

If needing something else dnd to watch I recommend tabletopnotch and watching their brunkhallow and/or no time to loose campaigns

frail apex
willow ferry
#

If that's the case, new setting for the cast!

frail apex
#

Or if the planet is okay and doesn't go to shit just by the nature of what it use to be before them. We could see what life is like on exandria afterwards

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Only thing that I would be sad about is caduceus and pike loosing their deity and abilities

willow ferry
#

Think they'll continue using D&D rules after this campaign?

frail apex
#

I hope so. Cause as rp heavy as cr is even without the daggerheart system I love the mini's and combat of dnd. And I dislike the daggerheart system though it's a neat system they made

willow ferry
#

They're using elements from the 2024 rules, even dealing with the differences between that and legacy on D&DBeyond. Plus, Exandria's referenced in the new DMG.

#

Would be really weird for Exandria to drop D&D at that moment.

paper dawn
#

Oh yeah if they keep playing in exandria they’ll still use dnd

#

That is contingent on them still playing in exandria tho

#

And exandria still existing by the end of this

frail apex
#

True

#

True

willow ferry
#

If anything, they'll stick with D&D while sticking their fingers in other systems at the end of each month. That's what they did with one of their own systems over the past year.

frail apex
#

I hope that's the case.

#

Let's say exandria does survive but like magic dims due to the gods being gone since they granted most magic anyways, I'm kinda 🤏 interested to see what a low magic exandria campaign would be like

low socket
#

They are doing something in exandria with dagger heart this year iirc

frail apex
#

iirc?

willow ferry
#

If I recall/remember correctly.

frail apex
#

Ah okay

low socket
#

Think it’s for one of the upcoming live shows they are rebuilding some old character with dagger heart rules

willow ferry
#

It's a bunch of new characters for a one-shot.

solar summit
#

how did last session go

knotty hill
#

We popped Imogen out of Predathos, and now it's on to phase 2 of the boss fight.

eternal cape
worn violet
eternal cape
#

I just started watching campaign 3

worn violet
#

Oh then you've got a long way to go still

#

But they did acknowledge that they're reaching the end of campaign 3 as far as their "live" stream goes

eternal cape
#

Are they going to do a show of campaign 2 like they did with Vox Machina

worn violet
vagrant kindle
#

oh god, animated Jester is going to be a menace

copper minnow
#

There is even a short clip of an animated storyboard for mighty nein

knotty hill
#

It kind of feels weird that they're ending the campaign now. They're literally fighting the devourer of gods, and they're not max level even

eternal cape
#

WHAT

#

I'm on episode 9

solar summit
#

i dont think any of the other campaigns ended at max level

#

and i think its better that since when they appear again we always get to see them at their best

trim copper
solar summit
#

yup

#

BH is temporary 17 iirc

trim copper
#

Temporary 17?

low socket
#

Im watching the latest episode they are lvl 15

knotty hill
#

They were all 20 by the end of C1.

low socket
#

And now they got the temp 2 lvls

wise lily
#

Anyway, C3 is now at episode 119. I think it’s long enough to reach the ending if they wish.

willow ferry
#

So what's gonna happen to divine magic users like Pike should Bells' Hells solution come to pass?

#

I feel like there are a few missing steps in their plan.

pure ginkgo
#

Pretty sure none of us know but it's been hinted it'll remain mechanically the same and narritavely perhaps less common. Zerxus was a deity-less paladin

willow ferry
#

Alright. I just find it dumb.

spice flax
#

Plan seems like a strong word

#

But man is it fun to watch

worn violet
willow ferry
#

For Campaign 4?

eternal cape
#

Wait, what are they doing for the Solution?

polar falcon
#

i mean jester didn't need a "god" :)

high radish
#

Just noticed on Prime they changed the title of S3E9 of the show from "Thordak's Throne" to simply "Thordak"

frail apex
#

Did I just hear that right? There won't be any new episodes next week? As in its finishing tonight?

worn violet
#

So yeah, safe to assume they’ll either be taking a break or fill their Thursday slot with some filler content.

frail apex
#

😭😭 looks like I'll have to pick up watching c2 again, again

gaunt bone
#

They also normally take the last week of the month off. So depending how this episode goes there could be one more in February

frail apex
#

Have they still been doing that? I don't remember last couple months has been holidays (Thanksgiving, chrismas) where they've taken a couple week off for them. So I don't remember them still doing that before the holidays lol

knotty hill
#

Yea, they've been taking off the last thursday of the month since this campaign began.

pseudo isle
#

idk if ur watching this live anyone, episode 120 is so stressful omg

#

The Final Fight is going very poorly!

frail apex
#

So very poorly

pseudo isle
#

Waiit nvm Laura has secretly been cooking

frail apex
#

HOLY FRICKING SHIIIITTT!!!!!!!!

frail apex
#

Damn. Wish it continued

knotty hill
#

Yea, them being within an inch of death and going into this situation? Oh things can go bad.

wicked hearth
#

No Ep. Next week :/

willow ferry
#

What'd I miss?

knotty hill
#

We knocked out Predathos and Imogen absorbed it into herself. She's hosting it right now, and as they were leaving to return home, they found themselves face to face with the armies of Vasselheim... IE the armies of the most faithful and godworshiping people on the planet and they're aware that Imogen is currently trying to walk off with their god's predator. 😄 Everyone is also currently in the bottom half of the HP and all spell slots of value are gone.

willow ferry
#

Yeah, I can't see that ending well.

pseudo isle
#

How is the campaign not over? What more is there to do?

worn violet
#

My theory is it ends with a new Calamity. The gods who want to leave against the gods who don't.

polar falcon
#

Godwar would be a cool setting theme for a c4

solar summit
#

watching the ep rn and im STRESSED

solar summit
#

LAURA BAILEY OH MY GOD

wise lily
#

Imogen is now Predathogen. I’m pretty sure they could get out of that situation by roleplay.

knotty hill
#

I think the intent is for the Gods to become mortals again? But idk how that'd really work. It's not like Imogen will be able to hold predathos forever.

worn violet
#

I can imagine a scenario where she goes full martyr and tells them to lock her away in Ruidus or a new moon

paper dawn
#

Basically Bells Hells decided that Ludanis had to go but decided to do his plan without him and it annoys me

#

They got it in their heads that “oh nobody should have that much power”, and now placed themselves in a position of greater power in order to dismantle the power structure and leave nothing of it behind because that always works perfectly and never has any negative consequences in the long term

#

My thinking is that the gods not already on board with the changebringer’s mid-eternity crisis plan may just refuse outright and Predathogen is gonna have to kill one of them as a show of force to show they’re serious, which will just open a whole can of worms because this group can’t commit to a single decision to save their lives without six consecutive real time hours of circular dithering “I don’t know what the right thing is” arguments

knotty hill
#

Maybe it eats Vecna, since he’s a god still.

paper dawn
#

But that wouldn’t make the necessary statement. If anything that would be received well, in a way that wouldn’t be helpful to the intent

#

If you want to show that you mean business, you don’t take out the guy that nobody likes

#

For that reason, I don’t think they could do a betrayer and get the message across

willow ferry
#

Has anyone in the game brought up killing Predathos?

paper dawn
#

I don’t think so?

#

Mainly because I don’t think it’s possible

last flicker
paper dawn
#

The Gods couldn’t kill it, why could a bunch of goofuses like bells hells?

paper dawn
willow ferry
paper dawn
#

Sure, but even if they just use titles the fact is their setting operates with divinities from other IPs

#

Which is a liability

last flicker
#

Maybe but they have been slowly altering or removing not own ip elements they don’t control over time

willow ferry
#

I haven't seen any evidence that supports that.

worn violet
#

Yeah it feels less like a “corporate move” to me and just a consequence of the greater plot of the setting. Exandria’s always had hints of subtext pointing at the fact that the gods are alien to this world, and that their involvement in Exandria was disruptive and invasive.

solar summit
#

4 episodes away from the fight against the laughing hand, im really excited

spice flax
polar falcon
#

Huh, tbh I really liked the plan they came up with in the end, even if it took some dithering to get there

knotty hill
#

Oh gods.... the finale to C3 is 8 and a half hours long

#

And the next EXU is titled "Divergence", with Brennan at the chair

solar summit
knotty hill
#

State of the role

solar summit
#

ooohh i havent watched it yet

polar falcon
#

8 hour c3 finale plus an "exandria wrap-up" March ? 👀 👀 👀

#

Divergence might have a baby Luddy cameo if he was telling the truth about his backstory

honest osprey
#

I'm gonna start listening to Crit Role C3 once the abridged episodes trickle in.

#

I tried getting into Crit Role liveplays, but C3 just wasn't pulling me in.

wise lily
#

They decided to end C3, which is cool for me coz I wanna know the outcome for Exandria deities.

#

Also, we have new and fresh contents on Exandria with the change of dynamic as Matt will become a player and Brennan as DM.

worn violet
#

Divergence is gonna be a fun watch

#

Brennan does a really good job of DMing the past eras of Exandria. Calamity and Downfall are probably my favorite CR arcs to date.

low socket
#

Loved calamity, downfall was good but felt like a lore dumping session, not a bad thing but felt like a lot over the 3 episodes

paper dawn
#

downfall ruled because they clearly read out the divinity ability cards so i can steal them for my campaign down the line

#

brennan is just a great dm

#

i heartily recommend his "The Wizard, The Witch & The Wild One" campaign podcast

#

goated

worn violet
#

I love The Wizard The Witch and the Wild One

polar falcon
#

Brennan running the Exandria post apocalypse is gonna be amazing

elder lichen
#

Where do I start with critical role I want to find some good dnd campaigns to watch most of them are 50+ episodes in

#

THE FINALLY IS 8+ HOURSLONG!?!?!

trim copper
copper minnow
#

if you want to watch a campaign with more managable runtime, I recommend something from dimension 20, like fantasy high season 1

elder lichen
elder lichen
polar falcon
#

if you're not looking for something that's not primarily a comedy, High Rollers Aerois (completed) and Altheya (on going, now at ~40 episodes) are really great, and as mentioned above Worlds Beyond Number podcast is amazing.

For critical role, the abridged episodes on youtube are a pretty great way to catch up on c3

elder lichen
#

Ok

keen zephyr
#

I just watched mollymauk die for the first time, WTF, is this real??? Is funny circus man gone forever?????????????

#

I need him back

#

i love him

edgy raven
edgy raven
trim copper
#

Lorenzo is fun tho

keen zephyr
wise lily
#

Then again, dead members also find some ways to reappear again in most of Critical Role campaign. There’d be cameo or one shot you’d meet them afterward.

edgy raven
#

Are you guys logging in tonight for the Finale of Bells hells?

keen zephyr
#

I’m not ready for bells hells to end

paper dawn
#

I think I’ll watch some of it but 8 hours? Naw lol

knotty hill
#

And down comes the Divine Gate, as the Gods descend down to mortal form.

#

They better hope that Predathos's nose doesn't detect them

willow ferry
#

There'll still be divine magic, right?

knotty hill
#

Indeed. They're basically becoming like what they did back in Calamity.

#

If they ever did restore their divine strength, they better hope that Predathos doesn't notice.

willow ferry
#

How will divine magic be affected?

frail apex
#

HOLY SHIT!!!

willow ferry
#

What?

#

What'd I miss?

frail apex
#

I think they just successfully persuaded the gods to become mortal amd abandon their God hood

#

All 20

wise lily
#

Yeah, Laura just roll Nat 20 and beat the DC30.

#

Gosh, I was excited and sweared a lot on my previous message in this server. I got banned for a few sec.

frail apex
#

Lol

willow ferry
#

facepalms.

wise lily
#

That’s literally a critical roll. Any roll below 30 would remove one pantheon from this ritual.

frail apex
#

Yea. With a persuasion of +17 she needed to roll a 13 to get all of them

wise lily
#

It was made to be impossible check. But Laura just broke the game while Matt was just gaped. I’m glad I witness this moment live.

frail apex
#

Me as well!! I was standing in awe

wise lily
#

And now the rest of the crew casually roll nat20 to save Ashton. Best team.

paper dawn
#

I tuned out when the dithering resumed, is Ashton dead?

wise lily
#

He got resurrected

willow ferry
#

So the gods are mortal now? All of them?

paper dawn
#

Seems so

knotty hill
#

Indeed

#

Right now. They’re all gonna be respawning again, around the world. Who knows where they’ll end up

willow ferry
#

Including Vecna and Tiamat?!

#

On a natural 20 of a total check higher than 30?!

knotty hill
#

Indeed. All 20 of the gods took the offer

willow ferry
#

Also, we got bts footage during the California wildfires.

knotty hill
#

Alrighty then. So now champions will be the ones responsible for all the Gods old planes, and the ones to find the gods again as they’re recycled through exandria/

#

In short. Vax is now a member of the White Lotus lol

#

Oh gods...... Scanlan Shortholt is now responsible for the Endless Athenaeum.

#

Vex and Pike get to run around Elysium whenever they want, I guess.

frail apex
#

Yaya baby! Vax is back! More or less

knotty hill
#

WOOHOO, We have an Aabria!

frail apex
#

🌹🌹

wise lily
#

I’m happy with Vax. He would have longer lifespan than most mortals and would be together with Keyleth in her druid form.

knotty hill
#

He's outright immortal now. Provided nobody drops him to zero, as far as I understand

#

And for right now.... there're no gods at all for a bit. 😅 We do gotta wait for people to be born after all

pseudo isle
#

I can't lie bruh I can't stand Bells Hells rn

#

call them termites the way they chew the scenery

willow ferry
#

So who's running the place?

#

Vax, Braius, Jester (?), Deanna, who else?

knotty hill
#

Braius, Jester, and Deanna are not champions, as far as I know? Deanna maybe?

knotty hill
#

Cute moment between Vex and Opal.

#

Don't worry Laudna, now there's a bunny girl walking souls from life through death 🐰

#

And neat. So yea, the champions are now the ones responsible for all the Divine Interventions

knotty hill
#

The moon has been consumed by gentrification.

pseudo isle
#

dude this is cool

#

literal end of an era

knotty hill
#

And finally, after so long. Vax and Keyleth can get some happily ever after.

pseudo isle
#

after 8 years i think

#

finally the ending he deserves

#

I'm happy to say I was there for the end of an Age of Exandria

#

Man that cooldown is tempting

frail apex
#

Right! Thank God he said there will be another. I couldn't imagine not sitting down to watch a full exandria episode campaign after being a fan for 5-6 years and it becoming a routine to sit down every Thursday night

pseudo isle
#

we still have another Exandria Unlimited to get around to!

willow ferry
#

So what's the long story short?

manic trout
pseudo isle
# willow ferry So what's the long story short?

Gods elected to become mortals and just have the world reincarnate ppl. For the most part the adventurers retired, the champions of the gods are now overseeing their new avatar forms. Vax is freed from his service to The Raven Queen. Pike turned into a Centaur for 6 months.

wise lily
#

End of exclamation era. Also today marks the end of C1-3 saga of 10 years.

pseudo isle
#

pretty sure it was "Age of Reclaimation"

wise lily
#

Oh yeah, Reclaimation. . 😂 I’d be so elated if there’s crew that would stick to my own campaign for a decade

pseudo isle
#

Right?!

#

God I wish I could tell a story over the course of 3 different campaigns all featuring the same players for 10 years

wise lily
#

Matt is an amazing storyteller.

pseudo isle
#

Perfect genius breadcrumbs throughout all 3 campaigns leading to that. A masterclass in storytelling for sure. I love how it all came together. I hope they get around to animating all of VM, M9, and BH

solar summit
#

so excited to watch the last ep

low socket
#

Anyone got beacon? Is it worth it?

keen quest
#

I just realized, if the gods are absent (at least for now) does this mean tharizdun is no longer being held back?

low socket
#

Isn’t it a god?

keen quest
#

I think so but because it was locked away, I think predathos just avoided it

worn violet
#

I think the Luxon is also mostly revered as a god, but nobody’s entirely sure what it is. iirc it predates the gods of Tengar/Exandria

#

I think either EGtW or or TCSR suggests it might even be more closely aligned to the Primordials

keen quest
#

ngl it'd be interesting if tharizdun was the villain for next season

worn violet
#

Maybe Vecna makes a return and attempts to release Tharizdun

#

And the party plays the gods in mortal forms

keen quest
#

I suppose it'd depend on the timeskip because aren't they babies rn?

worn violet
#

We don’t even know if they’re born yet. The ritual was just triggered

keen quest
#

fair

#

tbh I thought tharizdun would've went with the other gods but I remember they stated that they'd try and keep him contained even as mortals

worn violet
#

Yeah Tharizdun is technically one of the gods, but I’m not even sure if he’s one of the Tengar

#

The books have definitely mentioned it’s an outsider to both Prime Deities and Betrayer Gods alike, it’s just labeled a Betrayer because its existence is generally antagonistic towards most everything

keen quest
#

iirc the gods even stated they don't refer to tharizdun as kin

worn violet
#

Yeah, it’s definitely not part of “the family”

ruby quiver
#

It's the feral dog next door

worn violet
#

My current theory is still that it’s what’s remaining of “Edun”(?), the first Tengar to have come in contact with Predathos in the intro to the Downfall arc

#

Especially considering the similarities in the names. Tharizdun could just mean something along the lines of “That What Was Once Edun” in their native language.

keen quest
#

if matt reads the youtube messages on the fireside chat, I might ask what's going to happen now that his chains are technically left unattended

low socket
#

Do we find out what/who predathos is?

worn violet
#

It’s exactly what it always was. An alien creature that feasts on gods.

low socket
#

I must of missed that bit, they never seamed to ask where t came from

pseudo isle
worn violet
#

Not to say I don’t blame them. If I was the primary food source for a ravenous thing that could destroy my very existence with a touch, I wouldn’t wanna get close either.

worn violet
#

Cuz iirc Kingsley had dreams of chains woven around Cognouza being broken after M9 defeated Lucien

#

Whether the Somnovum were aware of them being potentially manipulated by Tharizdun was never confirmed tho.

vagrant kindle
#

... Tiamat stuffed into a mortal shell sounds like hell

worn violet
#

Gotta say, I love that Meteor Swarm has unofficially become the Archeart’s signature spell

waxen grail
#

Ahaha yeah. Even though I feel the God of Magic signature spell should be Wish, Meteor Swarm isn't a bad second choice

worn violet
#

It’s a good option for a combat 9th-level spell lol

vagrant kindle
#

if i was a god of magic, boom would definitely be my first pick

#

i feel spamming wish is like trying to alter code instead of deleting it

willow ferry
#

I read a summary. They... released Predathos back into space, albet weakened?

worn violet
#

BH presented the gods with the very real options: keep running across worlds forever, or live among mortals. Weakened, but alive. A handful of good rolls made it so they were able to convince all the gods, Prime Deities and Betrayer Gods alike, to go mortal.

#

In the meantime, Champions are tasked with maintaining/furthering the goals of the gods, as well as finding them once they’ve entered the mortal coil

knotty hill
#

Bell's Hells have now formed the Order of the White Lotus here on exandria lol

willow ferry
worn violet
willow ferry
#

Not exactly a happy ending, then. Good hook for campaign 4 because, man, I did not like Bell's Hells in the latter half.

worn violet
#

Yeah, there are definitely gonna be some repercussions either way

willow ferry
#

I said it before, but most of these characters are ill-suited for that campaign's themes

worn violet
#

Eh, I’m not gonna tell them how to play their game. It wasn’t my favorite campaign, but it was a fun watch either way.

knotty hill
#

Kind of feels a bit like a cop-out that Tharizdun remains locked down, despite the divine gate going away

#

And um... what do we do if and when the gods rise back up to their full strength? If anything Vecna would be the biggest threat there, since he's done it before.

worn violet
#

Wouldn’t be surprised if that was part of the plot for the next campaign. Vecna working to release Tharizdun while all the other gods are AFK.

#

Then again, that might feel a little too similar to the general plot of C3. Evil wizard tries to release a major threat to the gods.

low socket
#

Vecna goes fishing for predathos

knotty hill
#

Predathos got released out back into space. It's going searching for other meals now. So like... once it's far enough away, what's to stop the gods from reclaiming their old strength like they did in the calamity

polar falcon
#

my guess is that c4 will be a major timeskip far into this next era, with a couple dozen or hundred cycles of the new mortal gods thing having run through and some new norms being established

knotty hill
#

We await the god kings lol

sage furnace
#

Was Grog in Campaign3

knotty hill
#

Yes

paper dawn
paper dawn
#

Just with less torture

#

(Excluding Torog of course because he’s just Like That™️)

polar falcon
#

IDK, there's no guarantee the mortal-walking gods would have any special specific powers beyond memories of power. They are now very killable should they try and rise up as tyrants, though if they are like the consecuted kryn they could be rogue-liking their memories to perfect their builds in subsequent runs dndLol

#

but (taking some queues from Downfall) I feel like any person whose power relied on intrinsic overwhelming force before, who now has to rely on actual skills and putting forth effort and training and convincing people to do their will in the world... it would take at least a couple cycles to figure out how to do that from a mortal perspective at least, if they were still interested in doing that at all

keen zephyr
#

Caduceus has been in like the past 4 episodes, I love how he goes from chill to like terrifying, it’s so funny and amazing to watch, what a incredible character

knotty hill
high radish
#

Kind of like how Hylia became Zelda in the Legend of Zelda so she can use the triforce, but losing some of her basic divine abilities? (I didn't watch the campaign)

polar falcon
#

id probably not give them full access to all their power cause then like.. what was the point? Suppose we'll see how matt handles it in the future

willow ferry
#

Does anyone agree that they just did not think it through?

polar falcon
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I think between 'let it out to feast on the gods as much as it wants' (luddie's plan) and 'try and reseal it but now everybody knows about it and we'll have to defend it for eternity' (vasselheim's plan) they came up with a good compromise

knotty hill
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With what they showed in Downfall, I believe the way it's going to work is that their physical body is now the bottleneck of their divine power. The greater the strength they use, the more taxing it was on them, and towards the end, the struggle was more on trying to actually remain in mortal form than not. So they'll probably still all have their full strength as gods, but using it will probably burn up their mortal bodies, and because of the ritual, instead of just getting to keep existing as gods, they'd get put back into the cycle and pop out as mortal infants again.

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So, they get to do like 1 big thing, and then have to wait till their next incarnation is out of diapers.

polar falcon
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in downfall though the greater body of refined divine essence was ready and waiting in the gods' realms just offscreen, and flooded in to transform them into divinity the moment they tapped into it too much. Would that same dynamic be maintained in a world with predathos free and hunting down and consuming god power? do their realms remain inert and waiting for their masters, or did catatheosis dissolve the power base as well as descending to mortality the god controlling it? I believe the Everlight did voice some concern about what would happen to her followers preserved in her plane after death and the matron said they would be restored to Exandria's natural cycle?

Or maybe the mortal gods can tap into their domains of power in exandria (light, life, death, etc.), which are not necessarily bound to a particular god, and be able to manipulate that for a bit before burning their mortal body down?

knotty hill
# polar falcon in downfall though the greater body of refined divine essence was ready and wait...

As Matt told it at the very end, nothing has happened to the realms of the Gods at all. All their divinities and systems are still entirely in place as part of Exandria's cosmology. People will still die and head off to those realms as normal. What's different is that now the Gods themselves are no longer in charge of the day to day management of those things, instead now entrusting them to their champions to hold. It's the champions now, who will be performing the functions that before were done by the gods.

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What would have outright erased those domains would be for the Gods to just no longer be in Exandria at all, either because they fled Predathos's hunger, or just got consumed by it. Catatheosis was the least damaging option that Imogen put before them.

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So, if the Gods ever did go and flex their might, it might alert Predathos that they're still on Exandria, but they'd likely get recycled before getting caught. Unlease Predathos is especially quick about it

soft locust
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So let me get this straight, the ending is an infinite loop where Predathos is going to come back over and over, since the gods are still in Exandria, and there is no possible way to "unalive" Predathos. Damn, that sounds like "the bad ending"

worn violet
soft locust
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Does that means that clerics are no more?

worn violet
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Nope. Clerics and paladins don’t need gods, they need their faith. As long as they still believe in the gods and have faith in them, divine magic should still work.

soft locust
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hmmm makes sense

worn violet
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My theory is that if the gods completely left Exandria and people stopped believing in them, then clerics/paladins or anybody else whose magic comes from a godly divine source would lose their magic. But the gods are still technically around, so as long as people are still faithful, their magic won’t fade.

last vigil
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Paladins in 5e are weird in that, while they have Divine magic, it's not actually from a god necessarily anymore (like it was in previous editions). It's from their oath.

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I do imagine Clerics will become rarer. It's not entirely unlike Dragonlance between Cataclysm and the first novels.

ruby quiver
last vigil
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From the 2024 PHB: "Paladins are united by their oaths to stand against the forces of annihilation and corruption. Whether sworn before a god’s altar, in a sacred glade before nature spirits, or in a moment of desperation and grief with the dead as the only witnesses, a Paladin’s oath is a powerful bond. It is a source of power that turns a devout warrior into a blessed champion."

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Clearly, explicitly a thing.

knotty hill
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Like, the Gods are still present on Exandria. They're still the source for every divine spell cast by Clerics and Paladins here in exandria

polar falcon
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I think Jester proved you don't necessarily need a god to channel or use divine magics in Exandria, though you could make the case she + artagan were stealing a bit from the moonweaver's well. matt talked a bit about it in the beacon fireside chat last night actually, let me see if I can find it

knotty hill
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You don't need to be one of the big 20 to qualify as a God for cleric magic. Which is how people like Jester and Kash operate.

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After the banishment of the pantheon in the Divergence, the mortal realm was left to its own devices. Beyond the trickle of divine assistance allowed by the Divine Gate, mortal creatures are now the keepers of the future of Exandria. This vacuum of influence has given rise to a number of powerful entities who may not rival the gods in their abilities or influence, but now unchallenged, can amass a modest following of their own. These idols present themselves in many different ways, some as honorable guardians of the helpless, and others as the tyrannical gods they aspire to be. Many of these beings have ambitions they wish to fulfill and can offer great power to mortals in exchange for their servitude.

polar falcon
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ok found it, ill try and transcribe his answer as best I can
"While the gods have transitioned into this mortal cycle, their magic is still suffused throughout the world, though reduced to a degree. Divine magic is ever present as long as they are present, the only thing that would have complicated that would have been if they were destroyed or left. But, as we've said before, divine magic can exist outside of the gods themselves, some if it is shared concepts and philosophies, passionate philosophies and conceptual ideas, edicts, etc. Those things, much like the imaginations of arcana and magic, can also themselves draw divine magic from the world itself to bring these things to a physical form and impact the world. Not everything that is divine has to be tethered to a god specifically in wielding divine magic, it just can sometimes be a little more challenging, or a little more spare, or the sources can be a little more fragile. If you were to draw your magic from a powerful fairy, a fey creature that you shared a passion with, that it gave you inspiration strong enough that you fight for it and what it believes in and now its what you believe in, then what would happen if that fairy got attacked, hurt, killed? You know? That's part of a fun conversation that I wanted to open the world for GM's to have with their players. I think the gods themselves as a source of divine magic and inspiration is a wonderful thing, but I wanted to have it also be a little flexible for those that wanted to pursue kind of more tangential or outside of that space to draw divine inspiration from. So in this instance for Exandria, it (divine magic) still exists, its maybe not as much perpetually present or as easily accessible. Either the concepts you pull from have to be very realized and 'closer' as far as being terrestrial in as far as a place you can actually visit or an individual you can have contact with, or a concept that is so suffused in a culture or space that it has physical anchor points in the world like statues or fanes or places of power that you draw that energy from. Or if you have faith in a god still, their celestial creation still exist in the world, angelic and infernal beings and other entities that can kind of be the conduit to them still. So it's reduced I think, but still exists."

worn violet
ruby quiver
last vigil
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Oh! Okay, then we're in agreement. 5E certainly, at least to me, made it a lot more explicit with the Oaths. In 3.x, you usually had, say, a Paladin of Torm or whatnot.

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4E just has 'pledged their prowess to something greater than themselves', which is indeed not necessarily a deity but a lot less explicitly so.

ruby quiver
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It's become a lot more common explicitly in 5e for dietyless paladins and clerics yea

last vigil
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I guess 3.5 had it too: "Paladins need not devote themselves to a
single deity—devotion to righteousness is enough."

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So I was wrong that 5E separated them, but it's my experience that the community tended to conflate them more in earlier editions.

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AD&D (2E) doesn't explicitly say a Paladin serves a particular god, but sure does imply it, I see where the connection came from. Things like: "A paladin must tithe to whatever charitable, religious institution of lawful good alignment he serves."

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And 1E really doesn't have paladins! Thus concludes my personal tour of my D&D library. :)

ruby quiver
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(Eberron standing in the corner judging everyone who says they do)

copper minnow
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I mean its setting dependent. Clerics who dont have a deity are extremely rare to maybe nonexistent in FR, and even the vast majority of Paladins in the setting swear their Oaths in the name of one god or another. Its certainly possible to deviate from the norm but people often want the PCs to feel like they are truly a part of the societies of the setting.

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exandria was already more permissive of godless divine casters before these changes, in comparison

polar falcon
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ngl i do like the idea that divine magic is not something created by the gods per say but harnessed and enhanced by them, making them the easiest conduits to access but not necessarily the only ones

worn violet
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Happy Divergence day!

peak eagle
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I have a question to you more experienced critters. I recently got into Critical Role and am only on Ep 32 of Mighty nein but now that Bells Hells has ended, there will probably be a Campaign 4 soon. Should I try to binge all of C2 and C3 before C4 to know what's happening, listen it on my own speed and be left behind or listen to C4 as it realizes?

dreamy lily
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We don't know yet what C4 will look like, including whether it'll be a good jumping on point for newbies or if it'll tie heavily into previous campaigns. My guess is it'll be its own thing, as CR seems to be treating this as the end of one era.

Also, just because you watched (or listened to) a whole campaign doesn't mean you need to go all in on CR. Maybe one is enough for you! I do know, though, that rushing through things because you feel like you should is usually a shortcut to resentment or robbing it of enjoyment.

peak eagle
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aight

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thanks for the advice

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i kinda am going through campaign 2 now because A. I really like most of the VA's B. I already am watching the animated Vox Machina and C. I wanna get to C3 to see my girls Laudna and Fearne

wise lily
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I think it’s also great time to catch up with old campaigns so that when the new campaign 4th starts, you can understand the connection,setting and Easter egg, if there’s any.

peak eagle
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maybe i should watch some recaps vids but i don't wanna be spoiled

last vigil
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C3 also has Abridged which speeds it up. But there's only so many that have been cut down, so go ahead and stick with C2. Might Nein is the most common answer for people's favorite anyway.

peak eagle
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It's my fave (so far) as you can see by the ahem username

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but i think my favourite character design and concept wise is Laudna

low socket
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C2 is the better of the campaigns the party works the best and it’s a very good story line

C3 has some interesting characters and a good story but there is a lot going on and can get confusing at times

paper dawn
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Level zero?!

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Oh wow. NPCPCs

pseudo isle
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Who is who rn?

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WE'RE STILL MEETING PEOPLE? IM 45 MINS LATE!

paper dawn
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This is surprisingly, yet delightfully grimdark

honest osprey
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Break time! :D

paper dawn
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The Wildmother rules

paper dawn
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Good first episode!

worn violet
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Finally getting some Strife Emperor love!

spice flax
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Oh.man level 0

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Just started watching

paper dawn
eternal cape
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Wait, is there a new Critical role show?

honest osprey
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Matt Mercer, Liam O'Brien, Jasmine Don, Celia Rose Gooding, and Alex Ward are the players.

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The campaign will go on for the next month.

vagrant kindle
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Brennan eh?

honest osprey
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Yesh :3

ruby ore
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does anyone know how long critical role usually waits to put up the recordings of episodes... wanted to watch divergence but i dont see the replay anywhere

dreamy lily
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The Monday after.

trim copper
ruby ore
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thank you!

low socket
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Welcome to the Monday crew

solar summit
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ive just watched the scene that made me get into CR, the famous legendary cupcake and OMG every second was worth it

the build up, laura owning the interaction, matt's reaction, the table's reaction, everything is just perfect

and that brings to my question: what are your guys favorite CR moment from all 3 campaigns?

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besides this one, i think keyleth's goldfish is my second favorite

whole junco
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Scanlan running wild through the house in C1 and Scanlan getting hit with the love potion and falling in love with Percy.

low socket
solar summit
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of course!! i saw a cut version on tiktok and right after i looked it up on youtube

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that's what got me into the campaign lol

knotty hill
solar summit
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Beau was the craziest IMO

whole junco
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They are all too aware of the "show" they are putting on now, Mercer included. C1 was the best campaign C3 was a wash

polar falcon
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it lost the thread a little bit at times but e1 of Divergence was overall pretty cool

knotty hill
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I wish nothing but misfortune for her.

solar summit
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well i kinda always knew Veth was questionable, so anything she could possibly offer wouldnt shock me

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but like, personal loss, Beau would hurt the most

paper dawn
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Also their drama kid natures aren’t just showing but are on full display

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Every other scene feels like its either a dramatic 30 minute 2 person scene about how sad their characters are, or an attempt to throw themselves on their own swords because of how tragic it would be

polar falcon
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c1 > c3 > c2 for me still I think. c2 probably has the most engaging characters individually but as an ensemble the infighting amongst the whole party could be a bit grating and they basically never got over that, plus overarching narrative-wise it was the most disjointed of the 3

last vigil
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That's an uncommon opinion but you are definitely entitled to it!

whole junco
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Yeah i have liked each campaign less and less TBH.

polar falcon
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I think the one you watch first can also have a huge bearing on your personal fav, like Idk if any campaign would be able to recreate how I felt watching certain c1 scenes live. Like I remember leaping up and pacing in front of the screen when stuff went down, no other media had ever gotten me engaged like that before really

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C2 and c3 never really managed to grab me the same way, but that could very much be because I knew more what to expect from the players and the game itself since I learned how to play and run it after that

whole junco
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Yeah i can see how you got into the series having a bearing, but there have been other liveplays I have come to later and not necessarily loved my introduction to them or even subsequent campaigns.

I definitely feel they are victims of their own success, there first campaign 'felt' like friends playing for fun and C2 and C3 felt more like them playing for an audience.

I think Matt has a lot to be responsible for C3, being incoherent and not making a lot of sense at times, Swapping between characters and locations, felt like it missed the mark a lot of the time.

honest osprey
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I'm only speaking as someone who watched 40+ episodes of Bells Hells. I honest-to-god can't get into it.

last vigil
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That's definitely a substantial try. It's fine, not everything has to be for everyone!

honest osprey
last vigil
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It's probably not a huge spoiler to say that there is ultimately a plot. ||Not everyone liked the plot, but it definitely happens!||

polar falcon
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i mean that's exactly what c2 did imo ^_^; i appreciated c3 for at least having some connective tissue during all of that, though matt could have been better at clearly communicating those connections cause the players often seemed lost about them

worn violet
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I don't really think Bell's Hells was a bad campaign, but personally I feel like Mighty Nein set the bar really high and Bell's Hells just... didn't meet it. I still enjoyed it, it just didn't grab my attention the way C1 and C2 did.

polar falcon
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the abridged help me to see them clearly in hindsight, but during the games the players mostly seemed to follow the hooks cause they were presented, not cause they saw the connections

honest osprey
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It sucks for me, because this was my first attempt at following Crit Role, since C3 was fresh and ongoing.

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I'm the person who doesn't define something by a first impression.

polar falcon
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I'm sorry you didn't like it then. Despite pointing out the differences above I honestly didn't find it wildly different from the other campaigns overall, but you could always try the others and see if they fit your fancy better. Or a totally different actual play might be for you, theres tons of them out there in all kinds of different styles and moods

honest osprey
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I do look forward to seeing the rest of Divergence Episode 1. I stopped watching shortly after the break.

polar falcon
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Brennan's EXUs are a treat, Calamity totally blew me away though I expect Divergence to be more subdued

gilded pewter
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Players and DM weren't as in tune with each other imo

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C1 definitely the best imo

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glad vax got his happy ending

polar falcon
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I do love that the c1-c3 triptych came full circle with vaxleth 🥰

worn violet
wise lily
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Tbh, I actually wasn’t hyped since around middle of C2. I skipped to just the only important parts. There are many times some roleplay moment wasn’t that exciting and the combat took too much time debating rules. The gameplay on C3 was even less exciting for me until around the return of Vox Machina, I began to watch live again until the end.

low socket
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Anyone else getting an ad on YouTube every few min on the latest episode

waxen grail
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I find each campaign a different flavor. Definitely the bigger world of c3 made it seem a bit disjointed, but I love always that CR takes different approaches, and the addition of Calamity, Downfall, made C3 interesting for me. I would admit that the middle chunk of the campaign was really hard to stick with, but the strong ending conflict with its many questions made up for it.

I'm still interested in C4, and how they take the world forward.

low socket
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Almost finished the latest episode but NPC dnd is quite good

paper dawn
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Y’all think fiedra is gonna die?

willow ferry
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The players using NPC statblocks? I believe it has precedence with Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft allowing players to use the Survivor statblocks.

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No? Just me?

paper dawn
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It’s crazy that we’re basically watching the backstory of a party of PCs playing out in real time

low socket
paper dawn
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I had to take a shower and missed the ending, what happened after the piece of crap opportunist had his tongue cut out

solar summit
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Rei'nia stats are really weird

untold geode
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anyone owns the wildermount book? i read a wiki about bladegarden and theres this Spirit of Virtue which was stolen by cultist? But what is this relic, i cant find any info about it?

carmine phoenix
gaunt frost
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If one doesn't want to invest too much time on Critical role because one does not have much free time, where can I watch like a shorter version of the series?

low socket
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On their channel are abridged versions of the latest campaign

dreamy lily
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There's also The Legend of Vox Machina animated series, which streamlines the first campaign.

solar summit
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was it ever revealed what Fjord's other half is? i cant find anything online

polar falcon
rancid linden
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I'd like to think that Fjord is one of several children that Chetney has throughout Exandria. There are signs: i.e, a fascination with wood and creative outlets, allergies to cats and other felines, and their ability to bull**** about leadership and masculinity.

solar summit
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i think his father is an orc

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at least thats what everyone talks about

inner coyote
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I've currently been bingeing the Mighty Nein campaign for the first time and holy Caleb's backstory is NUTS

whole junco
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I didnt mind that campaign, but once you are fairly deep in or even completed it. There was a fan called Lilli Furfaro that wrote songs for all the characters some she absolutely nailed Caleb is one of them.

spring rampart
#

Critical Role x Balatro 🔥

paper dawn
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Vestiges~

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Ok I will admit I dozed off a bit after the scene at the lake where are they right now?

high radish
paper dawn
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Yeah exu divergence

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It’s late in my timezone so I dozed off for a bit

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They had the scene at the lake but between then and finding all these vestiges I missed what happened

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WAIT

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AGRUPNIN?!?!?

paper dawn
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I can’t keep watching if I don’t know what’s going on, I guess I’ll catch up on Monday :/

high radish
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Idk what exu divergence is, but if you’re watching The Legend of Vox Machina and they were just at the lake, they’re probably in the underwater dungeon.

paper dawn
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…no, I meant the livestream being run tonight. Like, actively right now

spice flax
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ah Exu divergence is good, i got my map of taldori out and tracking their progress

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bye roads end, aka Byroden

worn violet
naive cape
spice flax
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i saw a nodd from Matt, he knew

naive cape
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Divergence has been a slow burn for me. I don't know that I loved it as much as Calamity or even downfall, but it was still a very beautiful story

spice flax
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Calamity is top for sure, this hits better than Downfall for me though

naive cape
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See I really dug Downfall. But I also am in the seeming minority in that I really like C3

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overall

pure ginkgo
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no i concur this was my least favorite brennan game and I really like c3 as well

gusty pilot
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Idk how you could ever live up to calamity or downfall - the cast and the stories were like freight trains, and Divergence was the little engine that could, ya know? I am also a shill for BLM and anything CR so my opinion is heavily biased lol

random bolt
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I liked the progression of Divergence. From CR1/8 NPCs and the Oregon Trail style travel. That was a unique take on a big world full of big gods.

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Downfall was so different compared to Divergence. And I need to watch Calamity before commenting on it.
Bottom line is that I enjoyed it. Critical Role has put out a lot of content that I've enjoyed. Sure, some more than others. But I'm not criticizing any of it.

solar summit
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Calamity was peak

naive cape
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Calamity had the Lou Wilson effect and probably my favorite Travis PC I've ever seen him play

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I will say I really think Alex and his character were a highlight for divergence. I really enjoy seeing him in non VtM stuff

worn violet
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Alex is great. It took me a little bit to warm up to Crokas, but I was ultimately happy with all the PCs in Divergence.

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That said, even though I loved it, Divergence was definitely my least favorite of the Brennan arcs

random bolt
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Alex/Krokas was fantastic. Matt/Garen was excellent too. I also thoroughly enjoyed Brennan doing that Gnome in the watch tower NPC. Forgot the name but he gave them weapons and claimed to eat his fellow guardsmen.

pure ginkgo
random bolt
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Yea! That one. Had me laughing hysterically.

paper dawn
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The end of Divergence being ||a love letter to Matt and Exandria|| had me getting misty eyed ngl

naive cape
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I really adore the respect and camaraderie that Matt, Aabria and Brennan have for each other

polar falcon
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The way the narrative of the game and the meta narrative of critical role were strung together was really cool

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From the cooldown, matt really had no idea about the twist until the very last second, and only Liam knew the whole time

spice flax
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oh wow i love how that was a love letter to mat at the end of Divergence

spice flax
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that mini series was a wild ride

frigid yarrow
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Is vox machina an allowed topic here for a casual discussion?

copper minnow
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sure. there was plenty of vox machina discussion here during the time it aired

frigid yarrow
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So I recently watched the vox machina and it was a unique experience. Nothing actually moved me so much as this. I want to know others experienced while watching vox machina

pure ginkgo
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I mean I was moved by seeing the story and the characters I already know and love from the stream in animated form can't really tell ya about being moved as in watching it "blind"

honest osprey
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I was only vaguely familiar with Vox Machina before watching the animated series.
There was so much from the series that hit me in the feels.

honest osprey
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It also caused me to get Tal'Dorei Reborn, learn it was a great campaign setting, then get Explorer's Guide to Wildemount

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I will inevitably purchase Marquet, if it ever comes out.
I have faith it'll be good.

stable crystal
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Critical role video game!

frigid yarrow
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It was pure happiness while watching this

frigid yarrow
honest osprey
# frigid yarrow Where are those available?

Both are available on DND Beyond digitally.

You may find Explorer's Guide to Wildemount physically in a local game shop that sells DND books. Availability varied by location, call ahead.

Critical Role sells the physical copies and PDFs of Tal'Dorei Campaign Setting Reborn on their website. It's a third-party sourcebook.

frigid yarrow
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And how's their store called?

honest osprey
frigid yarrow
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Thank you very much

honest osprey
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Have fun.

frigid yarrow
honest osprey
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The critical role settings are fantastic.
Some of the best DND could ever get.

random bolt
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I just finished watching the last 20 minutes of Divergence and... Wow! Perfectly encapsulates every DMs dream for their players to get lost in the world and forget, just for a few silly hours, about all the "stuff" in life. Beautiful.

ashen agate
honest osprey
ashen agate
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Ah sorry

honest osprey
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It's no prob.
I typed a lot of words.

river scaffold
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I LOVE Vox Machina and am currently watching Campaign 2.

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I uglycried during the last episodes of campaign 1

wise lily
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Yeah, I binge watched through VM ss1-3 and really loved it.

spice flax
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the wrap up for campaign 2 was a way better watch than the wrap up for 3

low socket
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Maybe they will do a more indepth one like c2 going arc by arc again

naive cape
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I think that was it

reef basalt
low socket
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Well Matt did say that was his main focus of the campaign

willow ferry
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Based on recent events, I think they're sticking with 5e.

low socket
merry laurel
willow ferry
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Divergence using 5e rules.

random bolt
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Hmm... It'll be interesting to see what they do. They aren't officially announcing it for a reason, they know all the Critters are curious about the c4 game system.

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I would argue that EXU series, including Divergence, was 5e. So just because the latest one was also 5e doesn't mean c4 is going to be 5e.

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They also did critmas live show in Daggerheart. Which is pretty recent too.

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All this to say... I don't think anyone knows for sure. At least, anyone not under an NDA!

low socket
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I think dagger heart will have its own world

whole junco
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You all think C4 will be back in Exandria after the ending of C3?

low socket
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Yeah but a big time jump

They are doing loads of oneshots and mini series to sort the fall out of c3

spice flax
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5e plus exandria or they lose their position and relevance

willow ferry
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Plus, I remember that Percy has the 2024 version of Keen Mind.

polar falcon
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I believe they have said one of their live shows will be Exandria but using Daggerheart

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so who knows!

solar summit
#

Every now and then I just contemplate how great of a character Caduceus is. He just glues the Mighty Nein together so perfectly. He is the counterpoint the party needed and possibly what made them so good together, in opposition to Mollymauk.

I love Molly, but I feel that the party was a mess with him, Bell's Hells style of a mess. Tallesin made the perfect move bringing Cad go the table. Man, I love this show.

sterile atlas
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Molly was a chaotic core to the party, offsetting people like Fjord who were the more calm approach - which can be absolutely fine, to be clear.

Except they also had Jester and Nott, who are both chaotic cores that at least match each other, but in a very different manner compared to Molly.

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I can see why it felt different before and after Molly, even when you account for the character change.

low socket
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Would of been interesting to see how everything went if molly had not died

solar summit
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I would love to see Molly messing together with Jester and Nott tho

ancient drum
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is campaign 3 as good as campaign 1 and 2? I watched the first episode and it kinda put me off because sam is playing a little robot called fresh cut grass?

low socket
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It has its good points and bad points just like c1 and 2 but I’d say watch it

random bolt
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Sam doesn't play normal characters.

vagrant kindle
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Isnt Nott preatty normal? What do you mean by normal?

random bolt
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My response was for Garfield. FCG seems a little bland at first. Sam is very good at mixing character development and outlandish antics.

low socket
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doesn’t Liam pick his race and class for him iirc

worn violet
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I believe so, but how Sam plays his characters isn’t particularly “strange”, as far as D&D characters go

knotty hill
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Aw, all the little critters

willow ferry
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Are they using D&D rules?

trim copper
worn violet
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And iirc he only does it because Sam asks him to. It’s a little gimmick between best friends

noble prism
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Mathew Mercer use crit fails for attack rolls?

vagrant kindle
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what?

last vigil
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A 1 is always a miss on attack roles (that's rules as written) but he doesn't have any house rules beyond that like fumble tables.

noble prism
grand urchin
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anybody getting daggerheart?

worn violet
solar summit
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Wildemount Wildlings is great

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I love the intro with the kids coming up with monsters

polar falcon
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agreed, it's a lot of fun

wise lily
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I’ve heard about this WW summer camp from many of their previous one-shots. Glad that it is now an official game

brisk flame
grand urchin
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Right.

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But we've been told to not post pictures or videos online of any of it.

grand urchin
worn violet
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It's a brand new system

last vigil
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There's a regular and a deluxe version, though.

vagrant kindle
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i would assume that to be like one is just a shinier version than a different ruleset

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Like alt cover books or holofoil cards

last vigil
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There's extra stuff like cards, yeah.

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Not a different ruleset.

vagrant kindle
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So yeah, not a different edition, just a shinier package

sand sorrel
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I just got into Wildemount Wildlings, and I’m already loving the characters, especially Padmund Pondhop.

“By the nine secret algae of the pond of shadows…!” 🐸

polar falcon
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I thought episode 2 lost the plot a bit but hopefully they find it again for the finale

worn violet
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FWIW, in classic Sam fashion, I don’t think he’s as worried about plot as he is about chaos

polar falcon
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true enough

worn violet
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He’s also working off of the creativity of children with very little context here

polar falcon
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i mean i love the characters and the vibe and the theme song gets stuck in my head, and episode 1 was great, just had some trouble following what was happening in ep 2 😅

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going into sit back and enjoy the ride mode is easy enough though

random bolt
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I mean, Greta is killing it with the monster suggestions. A monster that causes depression everytime it steps. And a bad therapist with creepy eyes... lol

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I'm enjoying Wildlings. Embrace the chaos. Forget about plot lines.

wise lily
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Greta has Percy vibe in her. The way she addresses depression and evil of human heart.

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I like EP1 a lot. It’s so cute and positive.

solar summit
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Wildemount Wildlings was such a great run. So fun.

wise lily
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Also, kind of not related but the Critical Role start the new kickstarter Humblewood campaign. That one is cute and fun too.

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Liam and Ashley are the players. I totally recommend watching it.

raw osprey
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Currently on episode 55 of c2 of the podcast version. Slowly getting there

scarlet crown
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Did anyone watch the new one last night Thresher I think?

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I missed it

polar falcon
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I did, it was pretty cool, I like all the production work they did to make it atmospheric

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it was running on candela obscura with a bunch of mods, not d&d though

scarlet crown
worn violet
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I like CO, and it’s interesting to see how many hacks to it people seem to be able to accomplish

ruby quiver
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Generally speaking with ttrpgs, hackability/frequency of is a good indicator of a solid underlying system

lament herald
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Been catching up on critical roll by watch from campaign one, heard ep 27 was the worst and i'm currently on 19 😭😭 little worried icl

copper minnow
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the next patch is going to be rough, but what follows E27 is often considered to be CR at its best

lament herald
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Yeah i've read on different posts on how its rough, i'm on a ep rn where orion isn't playing and it does feel lighter. I look forward to ep 28 though!

copper minnow
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you can always do recaps if it gets too cringe for you

low socket
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None Orion CR is so much better you just got to fight through them 27 episodes

wise lily
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I felt that ep 25-27 were the point that it’s getting really awkward, but that’s why we fast forward through unwanted part in youtube.

last flicker
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yeah never watch the first campaign but i heard the start was rough understands was his character also a problem or was it just the player them self ?cause without that context their is a little bit of me mix on what happened to tiberus in the end like i understand the desire to make it very clear they are never going back but at the same with having never seen the campaign i dont know did the character itself desrve to be punish for the toxicness of their player

copper minnow
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the player was the problem, or rather became a problem more and more

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Orion struggled with a few things privately at the time and he did some things during the game that crossed a few lines or were just annoying to the rest of the players.

last flicker
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ok

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been a game or two where was the situation of what to do with a problem players character after they been removed or left the game one made them a bad guy in the story the other poiltly just npc'd their bard till their story arc their char was heavlity connected to was done then had the char leave

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never easy to figure out so i dont fault the crew

copper minnow
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I think Matt found a decent balance. Tiberius is dead, but he died a hero

last flicker
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their is the whole thing with the dragonborn empire his character was from getting reduced to ruin but yeah i guess so

last vigil
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I think they did the community a service by showing that you can remove someone who is disrupting the game, even if they're a friend. LOTS of us struggle with that at some point.

outer forge
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Yeah, he died such a hero that he's not even in the show 💀

trim copper
outer forge
worn violet
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I think he already owned/copyrighted the character prior to CR

trim copper
last vigil
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I think there were extensive discussions we'll never be privy to around him leaving, and some concessions were made to facilitate his separation from CR, including giving him Tiberius and Matt writing him off the show firmly but kindly.

vestal salmon
last vigil
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They're very lucky that Geek and Sundry didn't end up owning everything CR, really.

ruby quiver
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wouldn't really call it luck when they were worked with so that didnt happen. They wouldn't have been able to leave GnS the way they did if it wasn't done that way on purpose

last vigil
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Perhaps! I'm speculating that those early contracts were quite informal, nobody expected too much to come of it. But I dunno!

whole junco
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Was Geek and Sundry not a fully functional company at this point?

last vigil
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Yes, but they were a startup in a completely new and unexplored space. Felicia Day had a successful web series under her belt (The Guild), but nobody really had done a streaming stuff for nerds site before. The business majors came into our world later.

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Again, I wasn't involved and don't have any direct knowledge. I did work at ThinkGeek from 2009 - late 2013, so I was tuned into the general space around that time, so educated guesses.

whole junco
last vigil
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Doing a little googling, huh, I might've been more right than I thought: To highlight the importance of these considerations, Friedman referenced the collapse of Geek & Sundry, which decimated the fledgling actual play industry nearly a decade ago. “Critical Role is the only Geek & Sundry show that was able to recover its own episodes,” said Friedman. “Everything else still belongs to Geek & Sundry, including LA By Night. But Critical Role was as smart as Legendary was dumb. Legendary [the company that owned Geek & Sundry] didn't make them sign a contract until Critical Role LLC had already existed.”

whole junco
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How so, you said they were lucky GnS didnt end up owning everything CR because those early contracts were informal, looks like they were anything but lucky or informal Lol?

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They only signed a contract once they had formed an LLC.

last vigil
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Well, I don't know anything more than what I said, and debating the parsing of words is incredibly boring, so, you can win this one, I really deeply don't care.

whole junco
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

mellow tartan
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random question but: when vox machina fought Vecna at the end of C1, did he have both his eye and hand? Cause I know Arkhan stole the hand but what happened to the eye?

pure ginkgo
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Last we saw it it crawled away after failing to dog itself into scanlan's socket

mellow tartan
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perfect thank you :3 I plan to have them go on a quest through the planes to find the things, arkhan has the hand and the eye is probably gonna be in some sort of vault

spice flax
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I made the eye be at the bottom of the tomb of anhilliation, and the hand be on Arkan in avernus in my epic home game

mellow tartan
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that way there's two big bosses for that, arkhan and acererak

last flicker
vagrant kindle
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He just has the Arm

spice flax
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I have disarmed Arkan in 4 separate games now lol

worn violet
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I love that Joe Manganiello just set him up perfectly as a potential future villain for Exandria campaigns

spice flax
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yeah

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i havent even used him in exandria campains come to think of it, just others

vagrant kindle
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dew eat

worn violet
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Apparently CR has some sort of “big announcement” tomorrow during their Daggerheart release stream

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I’m betting either an update on the Mighty Nein series or they’re announcing their new campaign

vagrant kindle
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Mighty Nein series wheeeen

paper dawn
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im mildly surprised that they're jumping the gun with M9, given that the Legend of Vox Machina's story hasn't finished

ruby quiver
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I'm not terribly, since its "easier" to get the ball rolling early so that there isn't as much of a wait between